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They came in 1937. | 0:00:15 | 0:00:18 | |
4,000 Basque children fleeing the | 0:00:18 | 0:00:20 | |
horrors of the Spanish Civil War. | 0:00:20 | 0:00:22 | |
Many were on their own, | 0:00:24 | 0:00:25 | |
some were as young as five. | 0:00:25 | 0:00:27 | |
It was the largest contingent of refugees ever to land in Britain, | 0:00:28 | 0:00:32 | |
the first to consist solely of children. | 0:00:32 | 0:00:35 | |
Earlier this year, the survivors met in Southampton to celebrate | 0:00:37 | 0:00:41 | |
the 75th anniversary of their arrival. | 0:00:41 | 0:00:43 | |
It was their last reunion, as many are now too old | 0:00:44 | 0:00:47 | |
and frail to attend. | 0:00:47 | 0:00:48 | |
This programme is one of the last commemorations to take place, | 0:00:49 | 0:00:53 | |
an opportunity to witness the event through the eyes of refugees | 0:00:53 | 0:00:57 | |
who stayed. | 0:00:57 | 0:00:59 | |
The British Government didn't want them. | 0:00:59 | 0:01:01 | |
Only under extreme pressure, | 0:01:01 | 0:01:02 | |
did they allow them in and refused to help them financially. | 0:01:02 | 0:01:06 | |
But ordinary people had more compassion, much more, | 0:01:06 | 0:01:08 | |
and the children who arrived in Wales received a huge | 0:01:08 | 0:01:12 | |
welcome from miners and their | 0:01:12 | 0:01:14 | |
families who were desperately | 0:01:14 | 0:01:16 | |
poor and hungry themselves. | 0:01:16 | 0:01:18 | |
It is one of the most remarkable | 0:01:18 | 0:01:20 | |
and telling moments in the story of Wales, | 0:01:20 | 0:01:23 | |
and yet, today, it's been largely forgotten. | 0:01:23 | 0:01:26 | |
SHIP'S HORN BLASTS | 0:01:46 | 0:01:48 | |
About 50 of the children came here, to Newport station. | 0:01:50 | 0:01:53 | |
There was a festive feel on that Saturday in early July in 1937. | 0:01:53 | 0:01:58 | |
The station itself was decked out with bunting, left over | 0:01:58 | 0:02:02 | |
from the coronation of King George VI a few weeks earlier. | 0:02:02 | 0:02:06 | |
This carnival atmosphere stood in contrast to | 0:02:06 | 0:02:09 | |
the mood of the refugees. | 0:02:09 | 0:02:11 | |
Many of them were traumatised by the terrors of war, | 0:02:18 | 0:02:21 | |
by being separated from their parents. | 0:02:21 | 0:02:23 | |
The children had witnessed the birth of a new form of warfare - | 0:02:32 | 0:02:35 | |
mass terror from the air. | 0:02:35 | 0:02:37 | |
A few weeks before, the Basque town of Guernica had, in effect, | 0:02:40 | 0:02:44 | |
been carpet bombed by German and Italian aircraft under | 0:02:44 | 0:02:47 | |
the command of General Franco, who led a military revolt | 0:02:47 | 0:02:51 | |
against the democratically elected Republican government of Spain. | 0:02:51 | 0:02:55 | |
It was one of the first raids in aviation | 0:02:59 | 0:03:02 | |
history on a defenceless civilian population. | 0:03:02 | 0:03:05 | |
Guernica was bombed into oblivion. | 0:03:05 | 0:03:08 | |
With Franco and his forces | 0:03:11 | 0:03:12 | |
getting nearer to Bilbao by the day, | 0:03:12 | 0:03:15 | |
many Basque parents made the agonising decision | 0:03:15 | 0:03:18 | |
to send their children abroad. | 0:03:18 | 0:03:20 | |
Only children between five and 15 were eligible. | 0:03:23 | 0:03:27 | |
For some, it was the last time they saw their parents. | 0:03:27 | 0:03:31 | |
In this programme, we tell the story of three who came to Wales. | 0:03:32 | 0:03:36 | |
Josefina Savery, 14 when she arrived, | 0:03:38 | 0:03:41 | |
and now nearly 90, who lives | 0:03:41 | 0:03:43 | |
in Risca, has raised a family there, | 0:03:43 | 0:03:45 | |
and never saw her father again. | 0:03:45 | 0:03:47 | |
Her brother Gerard, seven years younger, | 0:03:48 | 0:03:50 | |
who lives on the Welsh Borders, | 0:03:50 | 0:03:52 | |
and has rejected the chance to be a Spanish citizen. | 0:03:52 | 0:03:55 | |
And Jose Armolea, an 11-year-old refugee. | 0:03:55 | 0:03:59 | |
The memory of saying goodbye to his mother, 75 years ago, still | 0:03:59 | 0:04:02 | |
haunts him. | 0:04:02 | 0:04:04 | |
I said goodbye to her... | 0:04:04 | 0:04:06 | |
in 1937... | 0:04:06 | 0:04:09 | |
and never saw her again. | 0:04:09 | 0:04:11 | |
And that... | 0:04:12 | 0:04:14 | |
that hurts me very much. | 0:04:16 | 0:04:18 | |
That's a feeling that I will always remember, | 0:04:19 | 0:04:23 | |
even at my silly age of 87. | 0:04:23 | 0:04:26 | |
A man crying because of his mother, | 0:04:26 | 0:04:28 | |
but I never saw her again. | 0:04:28 | 0:04:31 | |
They said goodbye to us at the station, in Bilbao, so you can | 0:04:39 | 0:04:43 | |
imagine it was a very harrowing experience, | 0:04:43 | 0:04:46 | |
just to say goodbye. | 0:04:46 | 0:04:48 | |
It was the last time I saw my father. | 0:04:48 | 0:04:51 | |
The Habana, a cruise ship | 0:04:55 | 0:04:56 | |
designed to carry 400 passengers, | 0:04:56 | 0:04:58 | |
carried 10 times that number | 0:04:58 | 0:05:00 | |
across a stormy Bay of Biscay to Southampton. | 0:05:00 | 0:05:03 | |
Under pressure from public opinion, the British Government | 0:05:03 | 0:05:07 | |
belatedly agreed to allow nearly | 0:05:07 | 0:05:09 | |
4,000 children to enter the UK. | 0:05:09 | 0:05:12 | |
But only if they were paid for and looked after by volunteers. | 0:05:12 | 0:05:16 | |
It was a difficult journey in more ways than one. | 0:05:17 | 0:05:20 | |
The journey was absolutely horrendous. | 0:05:21 | 0:05:25 | |
The Bay of Biscay is one of the worst places in the world, I think. | 0:05:25 | 0:05:29 | |
The ship was rocking, | 0:05:29 | 0:05:31 | |
it was dreadful. | 0:05:31 | 0:05:34 | |
I was terribly sick. | 0:05:34 | 0:05:36 | |
I lost my bunk, | 0:05:36 | 0:05:37 | |
and I spent my time leaning overboard, I think. | 0:05:37 | 0:05:42 | |
-REPORTER: -The best foreign news of the week, | 0:05:44 | 0:05:46 | |
from the horrors of civil war, to the peace of England, | 0:05:46 | 0:05:48 | |
come 4,000 Basque children, | 0:05:48 | 0:05:50 | |
refugees from the scenes of bombing and bloodshed at Bilbao. | 0:05:50 | 0:05:54 | |
When the ship docked at Southampton, | 0:05:54 | 0:05:56 | |
the mood combined relief, | 0:05:56 | 0:05:57 | |
sadness, apprehension and excitement. | 0:05:57 | 0:06:00 | |
First stop was a reception camp at Southampton, | 0:06:03 | 0:06:06 | |
hastily constructed out of bell tents. | 0:06:06 | 0:06:08 | |
For many, it seemed like a Boy Scout and Girl Guide adventure, | 0:06:10 | 0:06:14 | |
and there were regular meals, | 0:06:14 | 0:06:16 | |
unlike the starvation rations the children had been used to at home. | 0:06:16 | 0:06:19 | |
When Bilbao fell to Franco a few weeks later, | 0:06:27 | 0:06:30 | |
the children were deeply traumatised, | 0:06:30 | 0:06:31 | |
and fearful for their parents. | 0:06:31 | 0:06:33 | |
After about a month, the children were dispersed to more suitable | 0:06:40 | 0:06:43 | |
accommodation throughout the UK | 0:06:43 | 0:06:45 | |
and about 200 came to Wales, | 0:06:45 | 0:06:47 | |
to Caerleon, Swansea, Brechfa in Carmarthenshire | 0:06:47 | 0:06:50 | |
and Old Colwyn in North Wales. | 0:06:50 | 0:06:53 | |
Indeed, the children chosen to come to Wales had been told they were | 0:06:57 | 0:07:00 | |
lucky, because the Welsh were so | 0:07:00 | 0:07:02 | |
supportive of the Republican cause. | 0:07:02 | 0:07:05 | |
This is Hywel Davies. | 0:07:05 | 0:07:06 | |
Hywel, can you describe the scene here? | 0:07:06 | 0:07:09 | |
Yes, the great and good of Wales were here. | 0:07:09 | 0:07:12 | |
Almost everybody who was anybody in Welsh society was | 0:07:12 | 0:07:14 | |
gathered on this platform. | 0:07:14 | 0:07:16 | |
You had people from academia, | 0:07:16 | 0:07:18 | |
you had an MP from Pontypool, | 0:07:18 | 0:07:20 | |
Arthur Jenkins, who was the father of Roy Jenkins, | 0:07:20 | 0:07:23 | |
and you had people from trade unions, | 0:07:23 | 0:07:25 | |
you had people from the business world, | 0:07:25 | 0:07:27 | |
they were all here to welcome the children. | 0:07:27 | 0:07:30 | |
Do we know how the children reacted to all this? | 0:07:30 | 0:07:33 | |
They were overwhelmed, | 0:07:33 | 0:07:35 | |
the people I have spoken to remember this day vividly, | 0:07:35 | 0:07:39 | |
they remember the welcome they got here, they remember the flags that | 0:07:39 | 0:07:42 | |
were up, and the remember leaving here and getting on the bus, and | 0:07:42 | 0:07:46 | |
the crowds, it was a very big day | 0:07:46 | 0:07:49 | |
they thought they were coming home. | 0:07:49 | 0:07:51 | |
The Newport arrivals came here to nearby Caerleon. | 0:07:53 | 0:07:56 | |
There is nothing left of the old workhouse that was | 0:07:56 | 0:07:59 | |
converted into their home, | 0:07:59 | 0:08:00 | |
except a name - Cambria. | 0:08:00 | 0:08:03 | |
Cambria House, | 0:08:03 | 0:08:04 | |
the home that set the gold standard. | 0:08:04 | 0:08:07 | |
Funded by voluntary contributions from across South Wales, | 0:08:08 | 0:08:11 | |
Cambria House was a place of safety, | 0:08:11 | 0:08:13 | |
a refuge from the horrors of war. | 0:08:13 | 0:08:16 | |
It provided the Welsh not only with an opportunity to identify | 0:08:16 | 0:08:19 | |
with the Basques, but with a popular front which | 0:08:19 | 0:08:22 | |
united people of all political persuasions. | 0:08:22 | 0:08:26 | |
At first, the children were delighted to be indoors, | 0:08:26 | 0:08:28 | |
rather than under canvas. | 0:08:28 | 0:08:30 | |
But their initial impression of Cambria House was not | 0:08:30 | 0:08:33 | |
entirely happy, | 0:08:33 | 0:08:34 | |
the regime was very strict and the building still | 0:08:34 | 0:08:37 | |
bore signs of being a former workhouse, | 0:08:37 | 0:08:40 | |
and an old people's home. | 0:08:40 | 0:08:41 | |
We used to peel potatoes for the whole colony, 50 of us, | 0:08:41 | 0:08:45 | |
and I think the room where we... | 0:08:45 | 0:08:48 | |
peeled the potatoes was used to lay out bodies at one stage, | 0:08:48 | 0:08:51 | |
that's what we thought, anyway. | 0:08:51 | 0:08:53 | |
Nevertheless, Cambria House offered the children a lifeline at a | 0:08:53 | 0:08:57 | |
critical time, restoring a degree of | 0:08:57 | 0:08:59 | |
security to their shattered lives. | 0:08:59 | 0:09:03 | |
75 years on, Josefina Savery now looks back with | 0:09:03 | 0:09:07 | |
detachment at the moment her life changed for ever. | 0:09:07 | 0:09:11 | |
Was that taken in Caerleon? | 0:09:12 | 0:09:14 | |
Yes. | 0:09:14 | 0:09:15 | |
Her family life had been destroyed - | 0:09:15 | 0:09:17 | |
her father killed by Franco's forces, | 0:09:17 | 0:09:20 | |
her mother in exile in France. | 0:09:20 | 0:09:22 | |
Luckily, like most of the children, | 0:09:22 | 0:09:24 | |
Josefina soon found a substitute mother at Cambria House. | 0:09:24 | 0:09:28 | |
Mrs Hernandez... | 0:09:29 | 0:09:31 | |
was one of the most wonderful women I ever met. | 0:09:31 | 0:09:34 | |
When she came to Caerleon | 0:09:35 | 0:09:38 | |
and took over from a lady who was | 0:09:38 | 0:09:42 | |
so strict that one of the children asked Mrs Hernandez, | 0:09:42 | 0:09:46 | |
"Senorita, are we allowed to breathe?" | 0:09:46 | 0:09:50 | |
And when she came | 0:09:50 | 0:09:52 | |
she allowed people to come in, | 0:09:52 | 0:09:54 | |
she allowed the children to go out | 0:09:54 | 0:09:57 | |
and altogether the whole atmosphere of Cambria House changed | 0:09:57 | 0:10:01 | |
from a miserable place... | 0:10:01 | 0:10:03 | |
to a very happy place. | 0:10:03 | 0:10:05 | |
The children kept their culture alive and funds flowing in, | 0:10:09 | 0:10:12 | |
with activities like dancing and singing in national costume. | 0:10:12 | 0:10:16 | |
The Cambria house football team was a sensation, | 0:10:18 | 0:10:21 | |
rarely losing a match, | 0:10:21 | 0:10:23 | |
even playing before thousands at Ninian Park, | 0:10:23 | 0:10:26 | |
where they beat league champions, Moorland Road School. | 0:10:26 | 0:10:30 | |
Josefina was overwhelmed by the warm Welsh welcome. | 0:10:30 | 0:10:33 | |
There were so very kind. | 0:10:34 | 0:10:37 | |
From the time we arrived at Newport... | 0:10:37 | 0:10:41 | |
to the time we were in Caerleon, | 0:10:41 | 0:10:44 | |
we were taken to various places - | 0:10:44 | 0:10:48 | |
Pontypool, | 0:10:48 | 0:10:49 | |
Abertillery, | 0:10:49 | 0:10:51 | |
the Rhondda Valley, | 0:10:51 | 0:10:52 | |
and you know the miners were not | 0:10:52 | 0:10:54 | |
working in those days, | 0:10:54 | 0:10:56 | |
and yet they always gave us a wonderful welcome. | 0:10:56 | 0:11:00 | |
The Lady of the Lamp in Tonypandy, | 0:11:04 | 0:11:06 | |
she has seen more revolutionary meetings than Karl Marx. | 0:11:06 | 0:11:10 | |
One of the things she saw when she was in Tonypandy Square | 0:11:10 | 0:11:14 | |
was a meeting in the 1930s by Oswald Mosley's black shirts, | 0:11:14 | 0:11:19 | |
trying to recruit support for the British fascist party. | 0:11:19 | 0:11:23 | |
They were chased out of town by the miners. | 0:11:23 | 0:11:26 | |
Welsh miners were fighting fascism, at the same time | 0:11:26 | 0:11:29 | |
as refugees from fascism were | 0:11:29 | 0:11:32 | |
arriving in Wales from Spain. | 0:11:32 | 0:11:35 | |
Both the Basques and the Welsh had long experience of poverty | 0:11:38 | 0:11:42 | |
and oppression. | 0:11:42 | 0:11:43 | |
In the Valleys of the Thirties, mass unemployment was widespread, | 0:11:43 | 0:11:46 | |
aggravated by savage Government cuts to benefits. | 0:11:46 | 0:11:49 | |
The Great Hunger March of October 1936 was still | 0:11:51 | 0:11:54 | |
fresh in the memory when the Basque children arrived. | 0:11:54 | 0:11:58 | |
At first, the Labour Party towed the Government line | 0:12:00 | 0:12:03 | |
about non-intervention in Spain, | 0:12:03 | 0:12:05 | |
only dropping the policy in October 1937. | 0:12:05 | 0:12:08 | |
Likewise, the party did not want to be associated with protests | 0:12:10 | 0:12:14 | |
and disturbances, so, it was left to the South Wales Miners' Federation | 0:12:14 | 0:12:19 | |
and the Communist Party to take the lead at street level. | 0:12:19 | 0:12:23 | |
When the Spanish Civil War occurred, | 0:12:25 | 0:12:27 | |
it was merely extending the battle lines internationally, | 0:12:27 | 0:12:32 | |
fighting for jobs, | 0:12:32 | 0:12:35 | |
rioting and disturbances against the means test, | 0:12:35 | 0:12:38 | |
that was struggling against fascism, already. | 0:12:38 | 0:12:41 | |
They had already characterised the reactionary forces | 0:12:41 | 0:12:46 | |
opposed to them as fascism - they understood it, | 0:12:46 | 0:12:49 | |
so this was a long tradition of working class struggle that | 0:12:49 | 0:12:53 | |
extended far beyond Parliamentary politics, | 0:12:53 | 0:12:56 | |
this was extra-parliamentary, it was international, as well. | 0:12:56 | 0:12:59 | |
Internationalism struck a strong chord with the miners, | 0:13:00 | 0:13:03 | |
as witnessed by the numbers who | 0:13:03 | 0:13:05 | |
joined the international brigades on the Republican side. | 0:13:05 | 0:13:08 | |
The Basque children were their children, the war in Spain | 0:13:08 | 0:13:12 | |
was their war, but they didn't just fight on the frontline. | 0:13:12 | 0:13:16 | |
Throughout the Valleys, there was a tidal wave of giving, as Communist | 0:13:17 | 0:13:22 | |
leader Will Paynter noted, there was always the pound of sugar | 0:13:22 | 0:13:25 | |
the tin of condensed milk, or money from even the poorest families. | 0:13:25 | 0:13:29 | |
There are examples of many of these children going on holidays to | 0:13:30 | 0:13:35 | |
places like Abertillery, | 0:13:35 | 0:13:38 | |
where poverty was like, 90%, in the Valleys, | 0:13:38 | 0:13:41 | |
but they felt at home there, | 0:13:41 | 0:13:43 | |
it was not unlike the homes from which they had been taken. | 0:13:43 | 0:13:47 | |
A few years ago, on the front of Pendragon House, | 0:13:53 | 0:13:56 | |
here in Caerleon, a blue plaque was erected to record the fact | 0:13:56 | 0:13:59 | |
that 30 of the Basque children were moved here after Cambria House | 0:13:59 | 0:14:03 | |
was requisitioned for the war effort. | 0:14:03 | 0:14:06 | |
The plaque commemorates the community as much as the | 0:14:06 | 0:14:08 | |
children, as acts of kindness came from everywhere | 0:14:08 | 0:14:11 | |
and from all ages. | 0:14:11 | 0:14:13 | |
George Phillips was just 18 | 0:14:14 | 0:14:16 | |
when he started helping out at Cambria House. | 0:14:16 | 0:14:19 | |
A coach driver, he used to borrow the bus for the afternoon | 0:14:19 | 0:14:22 | |
on Sundays, to bring about a dozen refugees back to his parents' | 0:14:22 | 0:14:26 | |
terraced house in Newport, for tea. | 0:14:26 | 0:14:28 | |
George, one of eight children, | 0:14:30 | 0:14:32 | |
was from a family where a little had to go a long way. | 0:14:32 | 0:14:35 | |
I think my father... | 0:14:37 | 0:14:39 | |
and his family never had very much, | 0:14:39 | 0:14:42 | |
so they could relate to people who | 0:14:42 | 0:14:44 | |
were also in those circumstances. | 0:14:44 | 0:14:46 | |
Those children had nothing, they'd left their families, | 0:14:46 | 0:14:48 | |
they'd left their mums and dads, | 0:14:48 | 0:14:50 | |
they'd left everything they knew, come to a strange | 0:14:50 | 0:14:52 | |
country and they had nothing, | 0:14:52 | 0:14:55 | |
so he must have thought it'd be nice if they had a little bit of | 0:14:55 | 0:14:57 | |
family life, and see a mum and dad | 0:14:57 | 0:15:00 | |
and have tea round a family table. | 0:15:00 | 0:15:03 | |
It wasn't just the poor who responded to the children. | 0:15:04 | 0:15:07 | |
Support came from across the social spectrum. | 0:15:07 | 0:15:10 | |
This is Emlyn House in Cardiff Bay. | 0:15:10 | 0:15:13 | |
Nowadays it's the Butetown History & Arts centre, | 0:15:13 | 0:15:16 | |
but back in the '30s it was the headquarters of a shipping line, | 0:15:16 | 0:15:19 | |
taking coal from Cardiff to Bilbao | 0:15:19 | 0:15:22 | |
and coming back full of iron ore. | 0:15:22 | 0:15:24 | |
The company belonged to John Emlyn Jones, a staunch Republican | 0:15:24 | 0:15:28 | |
supporter, and a prime mover in setting up Cambria House. | 0:15:28 | 0:15:32 | |
John Emlyn Jones knew how to live the good life, | 0:15:34 | 0:15:37 | |
a man fascinated by the technology of his time. | 0:15:37 | 0:15:40 | |
A former MP, John had extensive contacts in the Basque Country, | 0:15:41 | 0:15:45 | |
and was one of the prime movers behind Cambria House. | 0:15:45 | 0:15:48 | |
Here he is at the children's first Christmas party. | 0:15:48 | 0:15:52 | |
His son, Alun, remembers the price John paid | 0:15:52 | 0:15:55 | |
for supporting the Republican cause. | 0:15:55 | 0:15:57 | |
He knew, of course, the consequences | 0:15:58 | 0:16:00 | |
would be serious for his business if... | 0:16:00 | 0:16:03 | |
if Franco won. | 0:16:04 | 0:16:06 | |
He knew that, of course, but his feeling of principle about it | 0:16:06 | 0:16:10 | |
was so great that he went on with his crusade because | 0:16:10 | 0:16:14 | |
he just felt it in the heart, | 0:16:14 | 0:16:16 | |
it was something he needed to say. | 0:16:16 | 0:16:18 | |
When Franco did win, | 0:16:18 | 0:16:20 | |
he was put on the blacklist, | 0:16:20 | 0:16:22 | |
and overnight lost two thirds of his shipping business. | 0:16:22 | 0:16:25 | |
And I shall never forget, Eddie, | 0:16:25 | 0:16:27 | |
what he said to me at the time. | 0:16:27 | 0:16:30 | |
He said, "That, my son, is the price of principle." | 0:16:30 | 0:16:34 | |
Now, if you were thinking this was a bit too good to be true, | 0:16:38 | 0:16:41 | |
you'd be right. | 0:16:41 | 0:16:42 | |
People were far from united in their response to the refugees, | 0:16:42 | 0:16:45 | |
and there was trouble at t'mill. | 0:16:45 | 0:16:48 | |
One of the most infamous incidents took place here, | 0:16:48 | 0:16:50 | |
at Brechfa in Carmarthenshire, | 0:16:50 | 0:16:52 | |
right here when this place was a pub. | 0:16:52 | 0:16:55 | |
It even made the headlines in the New York Times. | 0:16:55 | 0:16:57 | |
The camp at Brechfa was everything that Cambria House was not. | 0:17:00 | 0:17:04 | |
Poorly organised, ill-equipped, and with | 0:17:04 | 0:17:06 | |
inadequate care of the children, | 0:17:06 | 0:17:08 | |
trouble occurred within a week. | 0:17:08 | 0:17:10 | |
SMASHING GLASS | 0:17:10 | 0:17:11 | |
A window was broken in a local pub. | 0:17:15 | 0:17:19 | |
A car was damaged and there were clashes with the police. | 0:17:19 | 0:17:23 | |
There were calls in the right-wing press for the refugees to be | 0:17:23 | 0:17:26 | |
sent home. | 0:17:26 | 0:17:27 | |
Jose Armolea was 11 when he came to Brechfa. | 0:17:28 | 0:17:32 | |
Now 87, he's come back to tell his son about the events of that | 0:17:32 | 0:17:35 | |
day, events he thinks were vastly overblown. | 0:17:35 | 0:17:39 | |
I felt it was a minor item | 0:17:39 | 0:17:41 | |
of two or three boys being naughty, | 0:17:41 | 0:17:45 | |
like we all are, and don't forget we had very little supervision. | 0:17:45 | 0:17:50 | |
There were three boys that had gone down to the village, | 0:17:51 | 0:17:55 | |
and the story was that they had gone into a sweet shop | 0:17:55 | 0:17:59 | |
and helped themselves to some of the sweets | 0:17:59 | 0:18:01 | |
and the storekeeper had caught | 0:18:01 | 0:18:03 | |
them and given them a slap across the ear | 0:18:03 | 0:18:06 | |
and sent them home, kind of thing. | 0:18:06 | 0:18:09 | |
There was a group of the older boys that started to march down to | 0:18:11 | 0:18:14 | |
Brechfa, "Oh, we'll show them that | 0:18:14 | 0:18:16 | |
"they can't treat our boys like that." | 0:18:16 | 0:18:21 | |
As I said, there was no discipline, | 0:18:21 | 0:18:23 | |
there was nobody in charge. | 0:18:23 | 0:18:27 | |
In the end, 15 alleged ringleaders were sent back from Britain, | 0:18:28 | 0:18:32 | |
but to France, not Spain as reported in the press. | 0:18:32 | 0:18:35 | |
The story has a happy ending. | 0:18:39 | 0:18:41 | |
The media storm soon blew itself out, | 0:18:41 | 0:18:43 | |
and local people showed their character with lots of support. | 0:18:43 | 0:18:47 | |
Ordinary working class people from Carmarthen came down in busloads, | 0:18:47 | 0:18:50 | |
on Sunday afternoons there were an awful lot of people here. | 0:18:50 | 0:18:53 | |
The children suddenly found | 0:18:53 | 0:18:56 | |
that they were supported by decent | 0:18:56 | 0:18:58 | |
ordinary people and it was only | 0:18:58 | 0:19:00 | |
a minority of the political elite, | 0:19:00 | 0:19:03 | |
who had longed for this experiment to fail. | 0:19:03 | 0:19:05 | |
They'd never really wanted the children here, | 0:19:05 | 0:19:08 | |
and they had wanted something like this to occur, | 0:19:08 | 0:19:10 | |
so they could label these children | 0:19:10 | 0:19:12 | |
as Christ-hating communists. | 0:19:12 | 0:19:14 | |
Brechfa cast its shadow over the setting up of another Basque | 0:19:17 | 0:19:20 | |
refugee colony at Old Colwyn, | 0:19:20 | 0:19:22 | |
as this letter makes clear. | 0:19:22 | 0:19:25 | |
Widely supported, it was the brainchild of Douglas Hyde, | 0:19:36 | 0:19:38 | |
the only Communist Party member between Chester and Holyhead | 0:19:38 | 0:19:43 | |
who lived on a small-holding with a goat called Karl Marx. | 0:19:43 | 0:19:46 | |
Rooftree House, the only colony in North Wales, | 0:19:49 | 0:19:51 | |
opened in August 1937 with 20 youngsters. | 0:19:51 | 0:19:55 | |
Another driving force behind Rooftree House | 0:19:57 | 0:20:00 | |
was journalist John Williams Hughes, | 0:20:00 | 0:20:02 | |
who also raised enough money | 0:20:02 | 0:20:03 | |
to send two ambulances to Spain | 0:20:03 | 0:20:05 | |
in support of the Republican cause. | 0:20:05 | 0:20:08 | |
His collection of children's drawings, | 0:20:10 | 0:20:13 | |
typical of many done by Basque children, gives an insight | 0:20:13 | 0:20:16 | |
into how their young minds were haunted by the traumas of war. | 0:20:16 | 0:20:20 | |
ARTILLERY FIRE | 0:20:24 | 0:20:28 | |
The fourth and final Basque refugee colony was here at Sketty Park House | 0:20:34 | 0:20:38 | |
in Swansea. | 0:20:38 | 0:20:39 | |
The house where the children stayed has long gone, | 0:20:39 | 0:20:42 | |
all that remains is this tower, a kind of folly. | 0:20:42 | 0:20:46 | |
There were over 80 children here, and like Cambria House, | 0:20:46 | 0:20:49 | |
it was well organised and well supported by the Swansea community. | 0:20:49 | 0:20:54 | |
After the crowded conditions of camp | 0:20:56 | 0:20:58 | |
life in Southampton, | 0:20:58 | 0:21:00 | |
Sketty Park House must've seemed like paradise. | 0:21:00 | 0:21:02 | |
It had huge rooms, and acres of parkland to run around in. | 0:21:02 | 0:21:06 | |
It was a happy home, and the children prospered. | 0:21:06 | 0:21:09 | |
Even so, memories of the war shadowed their young lives. | 0:21:09 | 0:21:13 | |
From the archives of the South Wales Miners' Library, | 0:21:13 | 0:21:15 | |
part of Swansea University, there is footage of one of the care | 0:21:15 | 0:21:18 | |
workers who welcomed them to Sketty Park House. | 0:21:18 | 0:21:22 | |
The children were very, very upset | 0:21:22 | 0:21:25 | |
for the first couple of weeks, | 0:21:25 | 0:21:27 | |
the little ones used to call me Mama, | 0:21:27 | 0:21:29 | |
because I was a sort of substitute and they got to know me. | 0:21:29 | 0:21:33 | |
The children were terrified of aeroplanes, if they were | 0:21:33 | 0:21:37 | |
playing in the fields after school, and an aeroplane passed over, | 0:21:37 | 0:21:41 | |
which of course, in those days, were very small planes, | 0:21:41 | 0:21:44 | |
they used to scream for help | 0:21:44 | 0:21:47 | |
and it took us, all the adults | 0:21:47 | 0:21:49 | |
and myself to tell them that they weren't enemy planes. | 0:21:49 | 0:21:54 | |
Perhaps the warmth of the refugees' reception in Swansea also had | 0:21:54 | 0:21:58 | |
to do with the exploits of local sea captain, Potato Jones, | 0:21:58 | 0:22:02 | |
who played a key role in rescuing hundreds of Basque | 0:22:02 | 0:22:05 | |
refugees from the clutches of Franco. | 0:22:05 | 0:22:07 | |
He became so famous in 1937 that a | 0:22:07 | 0:22:10 | |
musical song was written about him. | 0:22:10 | 0:22:13 | |
# Old Potato Jones | 0:22:13 | 0:22:15 | |
# Old Potato Jones | 0:22:15 | 0:22:16 | |
# He's a roving son of the sea | 0:22:16 | 0:22:18 | |
# Finest skipper as ever could be | 0:22:18 | 0:22:20 | |
# They toast him in the fleet | 0:22:20 | 0:22:22 | |
# As he roams the danger zones | 0:22:22 | 0:22:24 | |
# He's a grand old man of the sea | 0:22:24 | 0:22:26 | |
# Old Potato Jones. # | 0:22:26 | 0:22:28 | |
He earned the name Potato because of the cargo | 0:22:28 | 0:22:31 | |
he carried to the starving Basque people, and also to distinguish | 0:22:31 | 0:22:35 | |
him from Corn Jones and Ham and Egg Jones, | 0:22:35 | 0:22:38 | |
two of many other boat owners | 0:22:38 | 0:22:39 | |
who braved Franco's naval blockade | 0:22:39 | 0:22:41 | |
to rescue Republican supporters. | 0:22:41 | 0:22:44 | |
Now, if all this makes it appear that Wales was totally | 0:22:45 | 0:22:49 | |
united behind the Basque children | 0:22:49 | 0:22:51 | |
and the Republican cause, it wasn't. | 0:22:51 | 0:22:54 | |
For instance, the Marchioness of Bute visited nationalist Spain | 0:22:54 | 0:22:58 | |
and wrote a glowing report of life there. | 0:22:58 | 0:23:01 | |
It was published in the Western Mail. | 0:23:01 | 0:23:03 | |
And there have been rumblings recently that the children | 0:23:03 | 0:23:06 | |
were pawns in a game controlled by Moscow. | 0:23:06 | 0:23:09 | |
But perhaps the most surprising response | 0:23:09 | 0:23:12 | |
came from the leadership of Plaid Cymru here. | 0:23:12 | 0:23:14 | |
They were indifferent to the children. | 0:23:14 | 0:23:17 | |
In 1937, the party was still embroiled in the wake | 0:23:19 | 0:23:22 | |
of the attack of the previous year, | 0:23:22 | 0:23:24 | |
on the RAF base at Penyberth | 0:23:24 | 0:23:27 | |
in the heartland of Welsh-speaking Wales. | 0:23:27 | 0:23:29 | |
Party leader, Saunders Lewis, along with David Williams, | 0:23:29 | 0:23:32 | |
and Lewis Valentine, became a cause celebre | 0:23:32 | 0:23:35 | |
when they were imprisoned in Wormwood Scrubs for the attack. | 0:23:35 | 0:23:39 | |
Preoccupation with prison was not the only issue influencing | 0:23:39 | 0:23:43 | |
Plaid's response to the Basque children, as Hywel Davies explains. | 0:23:43 | 0:23:48 | |
They had a feeling that Europe was being engulfed by communism, | 0:23:48 | 0:23:52 | |
and that the struggle, the essential struggle, | 0:23:52 | 0:23:54 | |
was between the Christian tradition, | 0:23:54 | 0:23:57 | |
and what they saw as a red menace. | 0:23:57 | 0:24:00 | |
They failed, really, to identify with the Basques as a national | 0:24:00 | 0:24:04 | |
movement, as a fellow national movement. | 0:24:04 | 0:24:07 | |
And looking at modern-day Plaid Cymru that seems very strange | 0:24:07 | 0:24:11 | |
and fairly inexplicable. | 0:24:11 | 0:24:12 | |
Didn't Plaid realise that their stance might jar with what the | 0:24:12 | 0:24:16 | |
rest of Wales was thinking? | 0:24:16 | 0:24:18 | |
Plaid was a very small party, | 0:24:18 | 0:24:20 | |
and its support base was largely | 0:24:20 | 0:24:22 | |
in the Welsh-speaking heartlands. | 0:24:22 | 0:24:25 | |
I don't think Saunders Lewis, anyway, | 0:24:25 | 0:24:27 | |
understood or identified at all with the South Wales Valleys, | 0:24:27 | 0:24:30 | |
or had any sympathy for the sort of proletarian culture that was | 0:24:30 | 0:24:33 | |
a big feature of life there. | 0:24:33 | 0:24:35 | |
-REPORTER: -The first contingent of Basque children go home again. | 0:24:37 | 0:24:40 | |
In 1939, after Franco had won, | 0:24:40 | 0:24:42 | |
the British Government began putting pressure on the voluntary | 0:24:42 | 0:24:45 | |
groups who'd helped the Basque children to send them back to Spain. | 0:24:45 | 0:24:49 | |
Many supporters of the refugees were suspicious of letters allegedly | 0:24:49 | 0:24:53 | |
from Republican parents, asking for the children to be returned. | 0:24:53 | 0:24:58 | |
Nevertheless, the majority did go back. | 0:24:58 | 0:25:02 | |
A lot of our parents... | 0:25:02 | 0:25:05 | |
erm... | 0:25:05 | 0:25:08 | |
they didn't want us to go back, | 0:25:08 | 0:25:10 | |
Franco, by hook or by crook, | 0:25:11 | 0:25:13 | |
was determined to get us to go back. | 0:25:13 | 0:25:16 | |
My sister was sent back, at the beginning of the second World War... | 0:25:16 | 0:25:20 | |
was sent back to Spain | 0:25:20 | 0:25:23 | |
and had nobody to look after her there. | 0:25:23 | 0:25:27 | |
Not all returned. | 0:25:34 | 0:25:35 | |
Out of 3,861 children who came to Britain, | 0:25:35 | 0:25:39 | |
around 250 settled down here. | 0:25:39 | 0:25:42 | |
What have been the consequences for the ones who stayed? | 0:25:42 | 0:25:45 | |
What impact has it had on their lives? | 0:25:45 | 0:25:47 | |
Gerry Alvarez, for instance, seems to have rejected his Spanish | 0:25:51 | 0:25:55 | |
roots and has taken out Australian and British nationality. | 0:25:55 | 0:25:58 | |
When Zapatero came in, he said that all the children who came | 0:26:01 | 0:26:05 | |
over to England could have a Spanish passport. | 0:26:05 | 0:26:08 | |
I really don't want one. | 0:26:08 | 0:26:10 | |
I've got an English...British and an Australian passport. | 0:26:10 | 0:26:13 | |
We became men of the world, as it were, | 0:26:15 | 0:26:18 | |
you know, | 0:26:18 | 0:26:19 | |
we were born in Spain, we will always, and even now, | 0:26:19 | 0:26:23 | |
I will always remember that I am Spanish, | 0:26:23 | 0:26:27 | |
or Basque to the core, | 0:26:27 | 0:26:29 | |
erm... | 0:26:29 | 0:26:31 | |
like a good Welshman would be... | 0:26:31 | 0:26:33 | |
but also I have great affection for Britain, | 0:26:35 | 0:26:40 | |
Great Britain as it is, | 0:26:40 | 0:26:42 | |
and that includes the Welsh and the English. | 0:26:42 | 0:26:45 | |
In this one, you were really pretty, weren't you? | 0:26:45 | 0:26:47 | |
Gerry's sister, Josefina, seen here with granddaughter Rachel | 0:26:47 | 0:26:51 | |
and son John, has created her own family in Wales after | 0:26:51 | 0:26:55 | |
the life of her Spanish family was blown to pieces. | 0:26:55 | 0:26:58 | |
Who are these two girls with you in the photo, then? | 0:26:58 | 0:27:02 | |
That was Maricho, I don't know if she's alive... | 0:27:02 | 0:27:06 | |
Resilient, and resourceful, | 0:27:08 | 0:27:10 | |
she is nevertheless aware that it marked her for life. | 0:27:10 | 0:27:14 | |
You are terrified of anything happening to your family. | 0:27:14 | 0:27:18 | |
And both my children grumble at me because I worry. | 0:27:18 | 0:27:22 | |
If they are late I worry, | 0:27:22 | 0:27:24 | |
if something happens, I worry. | 0:27:24 | 0:27:27 | |
You become too possessive in a way, | 0:27:27 | 0:27:29 | |
because you don't want to lose them. | 0:27:29 | 0:27:31 | |
You don't want... | 0:27:31 | 0:27:33 | |
anything to happen to them, | 0:27:34 | 0:27:36 | |
anything like it happened to you. | 0:27:36 | 0:27:38 | |
There's one more question to ask before we leave this haunting | 0:27:42 | 0:27:46 | |
yet illuminating story of the Basque children in Wales. | 0:27:46 | 0:27:49 | |
If 4,000 refugees came across the water, | 0:27:49 | 0:27:52 | |
asking for shelter today, | 0:27:52 | 0:27:54 | |
how would we react? | 0:27:54 | 0:27:56 | |
So much of our society has changed on the outside, | 0:27:56 | 0:27:59 | |
have we been changed on the inside, too? | 0:27:59 | 0:28:03 | |
World culture has changed. | 0:28:07 | 0:28:09 | |
We were taken to these places without any questions being asked. | 0:28:09 | 0:28:13 | |
Nowadays you would have to consult the police | 0:28:13 | 0:28:15 | |
and the social services, and goodness knows what, | 0:28:15 | 0:28:18 | |
you just couldn't do it. | 0:28:18 | 0:28:20 | |
I know that all sorts of issues have come up about immigration and so on, | 0:28:20 | 0:28:23 | |
but I think it's in the nature of | 0:28:23 | 0:28:26 | |
Welsh people to want to stand up for | 0:28:26 | 0:28:29 | |
minorities who are being overwhelmed | 0:28:29 | 0:28:31 | |
by larger groups of people. | 0:28:31 | 0:28:34 | |
I would hope that anybody who looks for asylum, wherever they go, | 0:28:36 | 0:28:40 | |
they would be looked after | 0:28:40 | 0:28:41 | |
because there must be some reason to get away. | 0:28:41 | 0:28:45 | |
If the circumstances were similar somewhere else, | 0:28:45 | 0:28:47 | |
perhaps the people would react in the same way but... | 0:28:47 | 0:28:51 | |
I don't know. | 0:28:51 | 0:28:52 | |
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