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Thousands of people pass it every day, unaware it even exists - | 0:00:03 | 0:00:08 | |
let alone what it commemorates. | 0:00:08 | 0:00:11 | |
For 50 years, this white stone plaque has marked the weekend | 0:00:12 | 0:00:16 | |
President John F Kennedy visited the Sussex village of Forest Row | 0:00:16 | 0:00:22 | |
for a political summit at the height of the Cold War. | 0:00:22 | 0:00:26 | |
The Sussex summit is almost like an Indian summer. | 0:00:29 | 0:00:33 | |
Here is John F Kennedy, unknown to him, of course, but his last visit | 0:00:33 | 0:00:38 | |
to Britain, to Europe. He's going to be assassinated a few months later. | 0:00:38 | 0:00:42 | |
I was the one person that had that key to the room that had | 0:00:44 | 0:00:49 | |
the hotline to the President in. It crossed my mind to open it | 0:00:49 | 0:00:53 | |
and go in and say, "Hi, there!" | 0:00:53 | 0:00:55 | |
I was very impressed with JFK when I got to be working with him. | 0:00:57 | 0:01:02 | |
Such a nice guy - he was very pleasant, would chat with you. | 0:01:02 | 0:01:06 | |
As far as Dallas was concerned, | 0:01:06 | 0:01:09 | |
there were some nasty people out there | 0:01:09 | 0:01:13 | |
that not only didn't like him - hated him. | 0:01:13 | 0:01:17 | |
REPORTER: President Jack Kennedy is an hour late arriving at Gatwick Airport. | 0:01:29 | 0:01:32 | |
He'd been making an unscheduled visit to | 0:01:32 | 0:01:34 | |
the grave of his sister Kathleen in Derbyshire. | 0:01:34 | 0:01:36 | |
Few things are unscheduled in this tightly packed, | 0:01:36 | 0:01:39 | |
heavily protected trip. Premier Harold Macmillan only has | 0:01:39 | 0:01:41 | |
24 hours of the President's time and a lot to talk about. | 0:01:41 | 0:01:45 | |
The nuclear test ban talks and the mixed NATO fleet are high on the list. | 0:01:45 | 0:01:49 | |
June 1963, and the world was a precarious place. | 0:01:49 | 0:01:54 | |
It was the height of the Cold War - | 0:01:56 | 0:01:58 | |
the USA and Soviet Union facing one another | 0:01:58 | 0:02:01 | |
in a nuclear arms race. | 0:02:01 | 0:02:03 | |
And it was in this tense atmosphere that President John F Kennedy | 0:02:04 | 0:02:08 | |
flew into Gatwick for talks at Prime Minister Harold Macmillan's | 0:02:08 | 0:02:12 | |
country estate, Birch Grove, just outside East Grinstead in Sussex. | 0:02:12 | 0:02:18 | |
Back to Birch Grove and those talks. The main achievement, | 0:02:18 | 0:02:21 | |
agreement to go all out for a test ban treaty with Khrushchev. | 0:02:21 | 0:02:25 | |
-GORDON BROWN: -One was older, one was younger, | 0:02:25 | 0:02:28 | |
one in a sense enjoyed the playboy life and the other | 0:02:28 | 0:02:31 | |
was very demure, | 0:02:31 | 0:02:33 | |
but they understood that each other faced huge problems. | 0:02:33 | 0:02:37 | |
The big question, will agreement at Birch Grove lead to | 0:02:37 | 0:02:40 | |
agreement in Moscow? | 0:02:40 | 0:02:42 | |
President Kennedy's visit to Sussex came just a few days after | 0:02:42 | 0:02:46 | |
perhaps the most famous speech of his political career. | 0:02:46 | 0:02:49 | |
His historic address to hundreds of thousands in Berlin. | 0:02:49 | 0:02:54 | |
Today, in the world of freedom, the proudest boast is... | 0:02:57 | 0:03:02 | |
Ich bin ein Berliner. | 0:03:02 | 0:03:04 | |
I think this is a major period of his life, | 0:03:07 | 0:03:09 | |
because he's given this speech in Berlin which many people | 0:03:09 | 0:03:13 | |
remember as one of the significant events of the Cold War, | 0:03:13 | 0:03:17 | |
defying the Soviet Union. | 0:03:17 | 0:03:19 | |
He goes to Ireland, which is a visit about his family heritage, | 0:03:19 | 0:03:23 | |
and then he comes to see his old friend Harold Macmillan. | 0:03:23 | 0:03:26 | |
Former Prime Minister Gordon Brown's admiration for JFK's political legacy | 0:03:26 | 0:03:32 | |
resulted in him becoming a close friend of the Kennedy family. | 0:03:32 | 0:03:37 | |
And in doing so he was able to learn more about the special | 0:03:37 | 0:03:41 | |
relationship that had developed between the older and experienced | 0:03:41 | 0:03:45 | |
Harold Macmillan and younger and more dynamic John F Kennedy. | 0:03:45 | 0:03:50 | |
Macmillan, in particular, was determined to build | 0:03:51 | 0:03:54 | |
a friendship with Kennedy because he knew that Britain's | 0:03:54 | 0:03:57 | |
place in the world depended on a relationship with America, | 0:03:57 | 0:04:00 | |
that he had feared that - having being such a great friend of Eisenhower - he might lose. | 0:04:00 | 0:04:04 | |
Fast forward 50 years, and the starting point for our story | 0:04:09 | 0:04:14 | |
is here in Lewes, at the Sussex County Records Office. | 0:04:14 | 0:04:18 | |
# How many roads must a man walk down | 0:04:18 | 0:04:24 | |
# Before they call him a man... # | 0:04:24 | 0:04:29 | |
With the help of Brighton historian Paul Elgood, | 0:04:29 | 0:04:33 | |
we've found the original police files | 0:04:33 | 0:04:36 | |
detailing JFK's visit to Sussex in the summer of 1963. | 0:04:36 | 0:04:41 | |
Even half a century later there is still information that we're not | 0:04:42 | 0:04:46 | |
allowed to see. Sensitivities still run high, I suppose. | 0:04:46 | 0:04:50 | |
# The answer is blowin' in the wind. # | 0:04:52 | 0:04:56 | |
There were three jets before you even start, two American helicopters, | 0:05:01 | 0:05:05 | |
two Presidential cars alone, | 0:05:05 | 0:05:10 | |
100 members of the press. | 0:05:10 | 0:05:12 | |
Brighton's two largest hotels were completely booked out. | 0:05:12 | 0:05:16 | |
Every hotel within Sussex seemed to have been booked up. | 0:05:16 | 0:05:20 | |
It was absolutely enormous. | 0:05:20 | 0:05:22 | |
Two helicopters for the President went straight to Birch Grove | 0:05:22 | 0:05:26 | |
and landed within the estate. | 0:05:26 | 0:05:28 | |
Other helicopters were used to connect to Brighton | 0:05:28 | 0:05:30 | |
and they landed on the Hove lawns, the Brunswick lawns. | 0:05:30 | 0:05:34 | |
Birch Grove, the house, really acted like a stage for a play, | 0:05:35 | 0:05:40 | |
with all the comings and goings of an international summit. | 0:05:40 | 0:05:44 | |
So this is the map of the Birch Grove estate, | 0:05:44 | 0:05:49 | |
with the house marked on it, | 0:05:49 | 0:05:50 | |
the perimeter wall and access road, and the Red Lion public house, where the Secret Service were based. | 0:05:50 | 0:05:57 | |
Using the Sussex Police files as our starting point, we've decided | 0:05:58 | 0:06:03 | |
to track down some of the eyewitnesses | 0:06:03 | 0:06:05 | |
present during JFK's last visit to Britain. | 0:06:05 | 0:06:10 | |
This is interesting. This is the Sunday morning, | 0:06:10 | 0:06:12 | |
and at 8.15 it records that President Kennedy | 0:06:12 | 0:06:15 | |
left Birch Grove for Forest Row, which was when he went to church. | 0:06:15 | 0:06:19 | |
News JFK was attending Mass brought out hundreds of local onlookers. | 0:06:21 | 0:06:27 | |
This was an amazing moment for the visit. | 0:06:27 | 0:06:30 | |
It was the only opportunity the general public really had | 0:06:30 | 0:06:33 | |
to see Kennedy close up. He came out in his bubble-top car | 0:06:33 | 0:06:38 | |
and drove the two or so miles into Forest Row to go to Mass. | 0:06:38 | 0:06:43 | |
The vehicle they used was the same vehicle that Kennedy was | 0:06:44 | 0:06:48 | |
later in on November 22nd 1963 in Dallas, so they were very much seeing | 0:06:48 | 0:06:55 | |
the same scene that became a part of history a few months later. | 0:06:55 | 0:07:00 | |
Amongst the hundreds of local people gathered waiting to see | 0:07:00 | 0:07:03 | |
the President were Lillian Shawcross and Doreen Mahoney. | 0:07:03 | 0:07:09 | |
Both still live in Forest Row today. | 0:07:09 | 0:07:12 | |
You see the roofs of the houses, and because we'd got to get a better view | 0:07:12 | 0:07:17 | |
my mother and I stood on the side of the bath | 0:07:17 | 0:07:20 | |
and we could see right across here. | 0:07:20 | 0:07:22 | |
So you could look across and you saw the President arrive with | 0:07:22 | 0:07:25 | |
security men? | 0:07:25 | 0:07:26 | |
Yes, yes, and then, after the service, when they came out | 0:07:26 | 0:07:30 | |
he came up to the crowd here and we still got a very good view. | 0:07:30 | 0:07:35 | |
Did you shout or wave, or... | 0:07:35 | 0:07:37 | |
No, we were too interested in just watching. | 0:07:37 | 0:07:40 | |
No, I think we had a better view than a lot of the people up here. | 0:07:40 | 0:07:43 | |
He was in quite a big car, a dark car, and there was quite a lot of security. | 0:07:43 | 0:07:48 | |
People were out there trying to keep people back. | 0:07:48 | 0:07:50 | |
Everybody was very excited, | 0:07:50 | 0:07:52 | |
waving and shouting, and it was very nice. | 0:07:52 | 0:07:57 | |
Very nice indeed. | 0:07:57 | 0:07:58 | |
Exciting really, because we'd never had anybody that big round Forest Row. | 0:07:58 | 0:08:03 | |
He was a lovely man. | 0:08:03 | 0:08:05 | |
He was a lovely man. I think everybody loved him, really. | 0:08:05 | 0:08:07 | |
Two miles away from all the hustle and bustle | 0:08:13 | 0:08:15 | |
of the Presidential visit... | 0:08:15 | 0:08:17 | |
..police constable Peter Etheridge | 0:08:19 | 0:08:21 | |
was patrolling East Grinstead High Street. | 0:08:21 | 0:08:24 | |
He'd been left out of the Sussex Police operation to protect JFK | 0:08:24 | 0:08:29 | |
and was quietly a bit miffed. | 0:08:29 | 0:08:32 | |
But his luck was about to change. | 0:08:32 | 0:08:35 | |
Everyone else seemed to be rushing about and doing things | 0:08:35 | 0:08:38 | |
and I felt neglected, if you like. | 0:08:38 | 0:08:41 | |
I was on patrol in East Grinstead High Street and Ken Hutchinson, | 0:08:41 | 0:08:46 | |
a detective sergeant, drove up alongside - "Quick, jump in. | 0:08:46 | 0:08:49 | |
"Have you got a civvy jacket?" | 0:08:49 | 0:08:51 | |
Well, I hadn't got one, I'd got one at home, so he whipped me home | 0:08:51 | 0:08:54 | |
and got a civvy jacket. I had no idea what it was for. | 0:08:54 | 0:08:57 | |
Drove me down to Birch Grove, where Prime Minister Macmillan lived, and took me in. | 0:08:57 | 0:09:02 | |
All these people, all American, | 0:09:02 | 0:09:05 | |
all with lovely blue barathea uniforms with gold braid, | 0:09:05 | 0:09:10 | |
and he said, "This is Detective Sergeant..." | 0:09:10 | 0:09:14 | |
- elevating my rank, of course - | 0:09:14 | 0:09:16 | |
"Detective Sergeant Etheridge." | 0:09:16 | 0:09:18 | |
And, would you believe it, they all shook my hand. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:21 | |
"Pleased to meet you, sir, pleased to meet you," and, | 0:09:21 | 0:09:25 | |
"We're off to lunch - here's the key to the room with the hotline in." | 0:09:25 | 0:09:31 | |
And gave me this key, | 0:09:31 | 0:09:33 | |
and they were gone and I was left in Macmillan's house all on my own. | 0:09:33 | 0:09:39 | |
Now retired and living in Chichester, Peter's brief stint | 0:09:39 | 0:09:44 | |
in charge of security remains one of his career highs. | 0:09:44 | 0:09:48 | |
So I wandered all round Harold Macmillan's house, really. | 0:09:48 | 0:09:51 | |
I could hear voices in the distance - | 0:09:51 | 0:09:54 | |
I think that might have been in the kitchens. I can't remember now how I knew it was JFK's bedroom, | 0:09:54 | 0:10:00 | |
or to be his bedroom. | 0:10:00 | 0:10:03 | |
I think it must have had his name on door, | 0:10:03 | 0:10:05 | |
but I went in and sat on the bed and bounced up and down, | 0:10:05 | 0:10:08 | |
looked in Macmillan's... I didn't pry | 0:10:08 | 0:10:12 | |
but I'd got to do something with the time I was there. Looked in Macmillan's medicine cabinet | 0:10:12 | 0:10:17 | |
and he seemed to suffer from much the same ailments I now suffer from. | 0:10:17 | 0:10:22 | |
And...I suppose - I didn't look at my watch, but I suppose - | 0:10:22 | 0:10:27 | |
after, well, over an hour, | 0:10:27 | 0:10:29 | |
I heard voices, went downstairs and my moment of glory was over. | 0:10:29 | 0:10:33 | |
50 years on from JFK's Presidential visit, | 0:10:38 | 0:10:42 | |
and Birch Grove has been transformed back into the quintessential | 0:10:42 | 0:10:47 | |
Sussex estate it was in 1963. | 0:10:47 | 0:10:50 | |
Its new owners are Dr James Hay and his wife Fitri, and they've | 0:10:53 | 0:10:59 | |
spared no expense returning the house to its former glory. | 0:10:59 | 0:11:04 | |
I did understand that Harold Macmillan had actually | 0:11:05 | 0:11:08 | |
owned his own family home rather than go to Chequers for many | 0:11:08 | 0:11:12 | |
of his diplomatic meetings, so I was aware of that, but when we came | 0:11:12 | 0:11:19 | |
and saw Birch Grove I became really aware as to the significance of how many - | 0:11:19 | 0:11:23 | |
not just John F Kennedy - but incredibly important people, | 0:11:23 | 0:11:27 | |
Khrushchev, De Gaulle - | 0:11:27 | 0:11:29 | |
a whole string of very important people had come here. | 0:11:29 | 0:11:32 | |
The room we're sitting in here we have completely remodelled | 0:11:32 | 0:11:36 | |
but we've kept it, I think, in the traditional style Harold Macmillan | 0:11:36 | 0:11:40 | |
tried to achieve when he built the place in the early 1920s. Is that fair? | 0:11:40 | 0:11:44 | |
When I see the house, really, there is something about... | 0:11:44 | 0:11:48 | |
There's a feeling like so welcome, so homely, and I said, "Yes." | 0:11:48 | 0:11:55 | |
Dr Hay, do you sometimes wander around and feel the hand of history on your shoulder? | 0:11:55 | 0:12:00 | |
I think you can't escape it in here, you're very aware of it. | 0:12:00 | 0:12:04 | |
When we have guests that come here, | 0:12:04 | 0:12:06 | |
one of the questions they always ask is, "Which was the room that Kennedy slept in?" | 0:12:06 | 0:12:10 | |
If they stay with us, that's the room they all want to be in. | 0:12:10 | 0:12:14 | |
Having now completed their two-year renovation of Birch Grove, | 0:12:25 | 0:12:30 | |
the Hays are slowly collecting artefacts | 0:12:30 | 0:12:33 | |
from the Sussex Summit of 1963. | 0:12:33 | 0:12:37 | |
This purports to be from the nearby inn, the Red Lion, | 0:12:37 | 0:12:41 | |
which is maybe a quarter of a mile from here. Here we can see | 0:12:41 | 0:12:46 | |
the date is the 30th June 1963, | 0:12:46 | 0:12:49 | |
and we can see John F Kennedy's signature here, | 0:12:49 | 0:12:53 | |
and Washington, DC. | 0:12:53 | 0:12:55 | |
And below that is Harold Macmillan's signature. | 0:12:55 | 0:12:59 | |
But it's said that they never actually visited it | 0:12:59 | 0:13:02 | |
so why the signatures happen to be... But they are authentic signatures | 0:13:02 | 0:13:06 | |
within the visitors' book, so it gives us a good topic of conversation. | 0:13:06 | 0:13:12 | |
So the mystery could be, did John F Kennedy and Harold Macmillan nip out for pint in their local pub? | 0:13:12 | 0:13:19 | |
Seemingly Harold was known to favour this particular pub | 0:13:19 | 0:13:25 | |
and his local brew, so maybe the two of them sneaked out. | 0:13:25 | 0:13:28 | |
But exactly what was discussed by President John F Kennedy and Harold Macmillan, | 0:13:30 | 0:13:36 | |
50 years ago in these rooms behind me, remains a closely guarded secret. | 0:13:36 | 0:13:43 | |
The personal discussions between Harold Macmillan and John F Kennedy | 0:13:43 | 0:13:47 | |
we know very little about. | 0:13:47 | 0:13:49 | |
We don't know what was discussed behind closed doors. | 0:13:49 | 0:13:53 | |
Harold Macmillan hinted but didn't go into depth within his memoirs | 0:13:53 | 0:13:56 | |
and, tragically, JFK never had the opportunity to write his memoirs. | 0:13:56 | 0:14:01 | |
But now, half a century on, we've located someone | 0:14:05 | 0:14:09 | |
who WAS behind those closed doors at Birch Grove. | 0:14:09 | 0:14:14 | |
I was 20. | 0:14:15 | 0:14:17 | |
My grandfather and I were close. | 0:14:19 | 0:14:22 | |
Most Sundays we'd go for long walks through the woods together, | 0:14:22 | 0:14:26 | |
and he would discuss politics. | 0:14:26 | 0:14:28 | |
So I was fully aware | 0:14:28 | 0:14:30 | |
and I had been through the Cuban missile crisis with my grandfather. | 0:14:30 | 0:14:35 | |
The Earl of Stockton, Harold Macmillan's grandson, | 0:14:35 | 0:14:38 | |
lived at Birch Grove and witnessed all the comings | 0:14:38 | 0:14:41 | |
and goings of the Sussex Summit of 1963. | 0:14:41 | 0:14:45 | |
When he told us that Jack was coming, | 0:14:45 | 0:14:48 | |
I was terribly pleased cos I'd met him three times before. | 0:14:48 | 0:14:51 | |
So this visit was to be both a planning session | 0:14:51 | 0:14:58 | |
and a celebration. | 0:14:58 | 0:15:01 | |
And in the run-up to it, | 0:15:01 | 0:15:04 | |
there was talk that they should go Chequers | 0:15:04 | 0:15:08 | |
and the Queen even suggested she would... | 0:15:08 | 0:15:12 | |
Windsor Castle and all this kind of thing. | 0:15:12 | 0:15:15 | |
And I think it was my grandmother who said, | 0:15:15 | 0:15:18 | |
"No, Harold, he's coming to our home." | 0:15:18 | 0:15:21 | |
You've got to remember that these times politicians didn't meet | 0:15:23 | 0:15:26 | |
as they do now in summits like the G8 and G20. | 0:15:26 | 0:15:29 | |
They had to steal this time | 0:15:29 | 0:15:30 | |
from other things because there were no formal summits that | 0:15:30 | 0:15:34 | |
they're going to be at unless they create these events themselves. | 0:15:34 | 0:15:37 | |
And the fact it's in the house of Harold Macmillan shows that there is a very personal dimension to this. | 0:15:37 | 0:15:42 | |
So, a large number of Secret Service and Department of Defense and CIA appeared | 0:15:42 | 0:15:50 | |
and the whole place was searched from top to bottom | 0:15:50 | 0:15:54 | |
and it was clear that there wasn't | 0:15:54 | 0:15:57 | |
the accommodation for the Presidential backup, so they requisitioned | 0:15:57 | 0:16:03 | |
two hotels in Brighton. | 0:16:03 | 0:16:06 | |
A large number of helicopters appeared | 0:16:06 | 0:16:08 | |
and they ran a shuttle service from the cricket ground, and I managed | 0:16:08 | 0:16:14 | |
to hitch a ride and went down to Brighton and back in, er, Marine One, | 0:16:14 | 0:16:19 | |
as it's called, which was a very noisy, bumpy old Sikorsky, | 0:16:19 | 0:16:26 | |
once described to me like flying on a chandelier on a... | 0:16:26 | 0:16:31 | |
On a chandelier in an earthquake. | 0:16:31 | 0:16:34 | |
1963 was a pivotal year for Soviet-American relations. | 0:16:37 | 0:16:42 | |
With each superpower testing their nuclear arsenal in a show | 0:16:42 | 0:16:46 | |
of strength and intimidation, the stakes were sky-high. | 0:16:46 | 0:16:50 | |
There was a degree of almost father-son relationship between the two of them. | 0:16:51 | 0:16:55 | |
That was reinforced by the Cuban missile crisis | 0:16:55 | 0:17:02 | |
because my grandfather was speaking to Jack three or four times a day. | 0:17:02 | 0:17:07 | |
Mr Macmillan was home from Russia and the Cold War had | 0:17:10 | 0:17:13 | |
undoubtedly thawed a little as a result of his enterprising visit. | 0:17:13 | 0:17:16 | |
Jack had had no exposure to the Soviets of any kind. | 0:17:16 | 0:17:19 | |
He found Khrushchev very difficult to deal with. | 0:17:19 | 0:17:22 | |
But the Prime Minister's dignified calm in the face of a calculated rebuff | 0:17:22 | 0:17:26 | |
caused Khrushchev to think again. | 0:17:26 | 0:17:29 | |
And my grandfather said, "You've got to stand up to him, | 0:17:29 | 0:17:31 | |
"but you've got to be careful not to provide him with an excuse to do something stupid." | 0:17:31 | 0:17:36 | |
The Earl of Stockton witnessed first-hand | 0:17:36 | 0:17:39 | |
some of the less formal talks held that weekend at Birch Grove. | 0:17:39 | 0:17:45 | |
When they were talking about "the nuclear", | 0:17:45 | 0:17:47 | |
as my grandfather always called it, there was a man called | 0:17:47 | 0:17:50 | |
Sir John Cockcroft, who was the nuclear scientist. | 0:17:50 | 0:17:53 | |
John was a lovely, blunt Yorkshireman. | 0:17:53 | 0:17:56 | |
We were having a drink before lunch and my grandfather said, | 0:17:56 | 0:18:00 | |
"How many H Bombs would it take, Sir John, to take out the United Kingdom?" | 0:18:00 | 0:18:04 | |
He said, "Five, Prime Minister, but make it seven to be on the safe side." | 0:18:05 | 0:18:10 | |
History is made again in an historic room of the White House. | 0:18:13 | 0:18:17 | |
One month after Birch Grove, the Soviet Union, United States | 0:18:17 | 0:18:22 | |
and Britain all agreed to the Partial Test Ban Treaty, | 0:18:22 | 0:18:25 | |
bringing a halt to the testing of nuclear weapons in the atmosphere. | 0:18:25 | 0:18:30 | |
Wherever President Kennedy went, he was surrounded by a security bubble. | 0:18:37 | 0:18:42 | |
In charge of the Secret Service operation for the Sussex Summit | 0:18:46 | 0:18:50 | |
was this man. | 0:18:50 | 0:18:52 | |
Here he is with JFK the previous year in Florida. | 0:18:56 | 0:19:00 | |
This photo shows him with Jackie Kennedy on a trip to India. | 0:19:02 | 0:19:06 | |
His name is David Grant. | 0:19:07 | 0:19:09 | |
As well as being in Sussex in 1963, David Grant was also the agent | 0:19:13 | 0:19:18 | |
tasked with arranging the advance security for | 0:19:18 | 0:19:21 | |
President John F Kennedy's fateful visit to Dallas four months later. | 0:19:21 | 0:19:26 | |
But could we trace Mr Grant 50 years on? | 0:19:26 | 0:19:29 | |
Luck, it seems, was on our side. | 0:19:29 | 0:19:32 | |
You see, we've managed to find out that former Secret Service agent | 0:19:33 | 0:19:37 | |
David Grant is still very much alive | 0:19:37 | 0:19:39 | |
and living just outside Washington, DC. | 0:19:39 | 0:19:42 | |
One of the things I remember about him was his humility. | 0:19:44 | 0:19:48 | |
He was not impressed with himself, really, he was | 0:19:48 | 0:19:52 | |
impressed a lot by people around him. And he was a bit shy in addition to | 0:19:52 | 0:19:58 | |
what the general concept is. | 0:19:58 | 0:20:01 | |
In fact, one of the things I remember about him, vividly, | 0:20:01 | 0:20:06 | |
is in a motorcade in an open car he was for ever kind of fixing his hair | 0:20:06 | 0:20:14 | |
a little bit. He'd do it every time and you could count on it. | 0:20:14 | 0:20:18 | |
He was a heck of a guy. Just a real gentleman and I think he was | 0:20:18 | 0:20:25 | |
one of our great presidents, or would have been had he survived. | 0:20:25 | 0:20:29 | |
So what was your role in setting up the Sussex Summit of 1963? | 0:20:29 | 0:20:37 | |
I was assigned to go there and represent the Secret Service | 0:20:37 | 0:20:44 | |
and the President and the White House, the United States, | 0:20:44 | 0:20:47 | |
to do preliminary advance work for the President's visit | 0:20:47 | 0:20:50 | |
to Birch Grove House and a meeting with Prime Minister Macmillan. | 0:20:50 | 0:20:55 | |
I remember Brighton, of course, | 0:20:55 | 0:20:57 | |
where we stayed, and I remember Birch Grove. Very good memories. | 0:20:57 | 0:21:02 | |
Very good memories. | 0:21:02 | 0:21:04 | |
I was particularly fond of the Prime Minister's wife, Lady Dorothy Macmillan, | 0:21:04 | 0:21:09 | |
who was very gracious and kind to me and helped me in every way she could. | 0:21:09 | 0:21:15 | |
I remember one of my dear friends saying, middle of the night, | 0:21:15 | 0:21:19 | |
and he was working, this little beautiful grey-haired lady | 0:21:19 | 0:21:23 | |
popped in with a big tray of food, sandwiches, and it was her. | 0:21:23 | 0:21:26 | |
Was it a success? | 0:21:28 | 0:21:29 | |
My impression that it was quite successful - they were very happy on British side | 0:21:29 | 0:21:34 | |
and I know they were happy on the American side. | 0:21:34 | 0:21:37 | |
EARL OF STOCKTON: He shook hands with us, and he said, | 0:21:41 | 0:21:46 | |
"I guess I'll be seeing you all in Washington soon." | 0:21:46 | 0:21:49 | |
You know... | 0:21:49 | 0:21:52 | |
And I think almost his last words to Harold were, | 0:21:52 | 0:21:56 | |
"We must do this again, and soon." | 0:21:56 | 0:21:59 | |
Um... | 0:21:59 | 0:22:00 | |
And he got into the helicopter and it dipped slightly | 0:22:00 | 0:22:05 | |
as it flew down the Wealden valley. | 0:22:05 | 0:22:07 | |
But, unknown to both men, | 0:22:09 | 0:22:11 | |
the Sussex Summit was to be the last time they would meet. | 0:22:11 | 0:22:16 | |
Two or three months later, Macmillan is leaving office. | 0:22:16 | 0:22:20 | |
After that, Kennedy is assassinated. | 0:22:20 | 0:22:22 | |
It is Kennedy's last visit to Europe and his last visit to Britain. | 0:22:22 | 0:22:26 | |
At 12.30pm on November 22nd 1963, | 0:22:29 | 0:22:35 | |
three gunshots ring out | 0:22:35 | 0:22:37 | |
from a sixth-floor window of a school book depository | 0:22:37 | 0:22:40 | |
overlooking the Presidential motorcade. | 0:22:40 | 0:22:43 | |
First reports are confusing. | 0:22:48 | 0:22:49 | |
A message came over the portable radio equipment that I had | 0:22:51 | 0:22:56 | |
that he had been hit - not shot, hit. | 0:22:56 | 0:22:59 | |
Within seconds, the Presidential limousine is accelerating | 0:23:02 | 0:23:05 | |
away to the nearest hospital. | 0:23:05 | 0:23:08 | |
As he was waving back, he was... The shot rang out | 0:23:08 | 0:23:12 | |
and he slumped down in his seat and his wife reached up toward him... | 0:23:12 | 0:23:16 | |
President Kennedy and Governor John Connally of Texas were shot today | 0:23:16 | 0:23:21 | |
from an ambush as President Kennedy's motorcade left the centre of Dallas... | 0:23:21 | 0:23:25 | |
I went to the Dallas hospital, | 0:23:30 | 0:23:33 | |
and Mrs Kennedy obviously was very upset. | 0:23:33 | 0:23:37 | |
But, yeah, that's when I first found out he had been mortally wounded. | 0:23:37 | 0:23:42 | |
I think, even though I was only 12 at the time, | 0:23:50 | 0:23:53 | |
I can remember, vividly, being in a room with my mother - | 0:23:53 | 0:23:58 | |
my father was out, my brothers were out - | 0:23:58 | 0:24:01 | |
and then the television broadcast | 0:24:01 | 0:24:05 | |
the news of the shooting | 0:24:05 | 0:24:08 | |
and then appeared to go back to normal programmes. | 0:24:08 | 0:24:11 | |
And then the news came of the death, and you were so aware - | 0:24:11 | 0:24:16 | |
and I remember thinking at the time this was a blow against democracy - | 0:24:16 | 0:24:20 | |
it was a shooting that would actually change the way people saw the world. | 0:24:20 | 0:24:23 | |
Did you mourn? | 0:24:25 | 0:24:26 | |
Yes. Not only because it was him, | 0:24:32 | 0:24:36 | |
but, remember, my grandfather retired by then from ill health. | 0:24:36 | 0:24:41 | |
But this consciousness that it was the end of an era | 0:24:43 | 0:24:47 | |
and what might have been. | 0:24:47 | 0:24:49 | |
Just as he had been in charge of the advance security | 0:24:51 | 0:24:55 | |
for the Sussex Summit, Secret Service agent David Grant | 0:24:55 | 0:24:58 | |
was the one who had also conducted the advance recce for Dallas. | 0:24:58 | 0:25:02 | |
On that fateful morning in Dallas in November '63, | 0:25:04 | 0:25:07 | |
why didn't you have the bubble top on the car? | 0:25:07 | 0:25:12 | |
Exposure. The President's staff wanted it off for exposure. | 0:25:12 | 0:25:16 | |
Er... | 0:25:16 | 0:25:19 | |
You can't argue with them unless you got a good argument. | 0:25:19 | 0:25:23 | |
After he had passed away... | 0:25:25 | 0:25:28 | |
..there was a problem with the Dallas people | 0:25:32 | 0:25:36 | |
who wanted to do an autopsy there. | 0:25:36 | 0:25:39 | |
Said by Texas law it had to be done there and we said, | 0:25:39 | 0:25:42 | |
"No, you are not going to touch him here." | 0:25:42 | 0:25:45 | |
So we pushed the Dallas people aside | 0:25:45 | 0:25:50 | |
and put the President in a hearse | 0:25:50 | 0:25:54 | |
that we had obtained and said that | 0:25:54 | 0:25:58 | |
any autopsies that are going to be done | 0:25:58 | 0:26:00 | |
are going to be done at the Naval Hospital in Bethesda. | 0:26:00 | 0:26:04 | |
Events unfolded swiftly. | 0:26:06 | 0:26:07 | |
While David can be seen here loading the President's body onto | 0:26:07 | 0:26:11 | |
a flight to Washington, across town his killer, Lee Harvey Oswald, | 0:26:11 | 0:26:16 | |
had fled the book depository, taking refuge in a cinema. | 0:26:16 | 0:26:19 | |
Recognised by a local police officer, Oswald shot him dead, | 0:26:19 | 0:26:23 | |
tried to escape, but was overpowered and arrested. | 0:26:23 | 0:26:27 | |
David caught up with Lee Harvey Oswald | 0:26:28 | 0:26:31 | |
at Dallas Police Headquarters. | 0:26:31 | 0:26:33 | |
Arrogant, sneer on his face. | 0:26:34 | 0:26:38 | |
As far as whether he admitted anything, | 0:26:41 | 0:26:46 | |
said anything, in my presence, he was asked... | 0:26:46 | 0:26:49 | |
Well, one, he was asked, "Why did you shoot the President?" | 0:26:49 | 0:26:53 | |
-Point blank, and he just shook his head. -Said nothing? -Said nothing. | 0:26:53 | 0:26:59 | |
And I mean they had him, you know, | 0:27:00 | 0:27:02 | |
Dallas had him for murder of the police officer. | 0:27:02 | 0:27:05 | |
He was going to go to the electric chair because of that but he admitted... | 0:27:05 | 0:27:10 | |
To my knowledge, he admitted nothing about killing the President. | 0:27:10 | 0:27:14 | |
It should never have had happened. A beautiful personality, | 0:27:21 | 0:27:24 | |
a man who was becoming... a great president, I do believe. | 0:27:24 | 0:27:30 | |
Anyone that was there has got a degree of guilt that they feel | 0:27:45 | 0:27:49 | |
but I don't feel responsible for him being assassinated. | 0:27:49 | 0:27:55 | |
I regret deeply him being assassinated | 0:27:56 | 0:27:58 | |
and wish that it had never happened, | 0:27:58 | 0:28:00 | |
and wish I could have done something to prevent it but I couldn't. | 0:28:00 | 0:28:03 | |
Back in Sussex at Birch Grove, when told of Kennedy's death, | 0:28:10 | 0:28:15 | |
Harold Macmillan, who had just resigned due to ill health, | 0:28:15 | 0:28:19 | |
made this entry in his diary. | 0:28:19 | 0:28:21 | |
"Alas, I was never to see my friend again. | 0:28:25 | 0:28:29 | |
"Before those leaves had turned and fallen, he was snatched by an assassin's bullet." | 0:28:29 | 0:28:35 | |
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