Llanelly House Restored


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It's one of Wales' finest historic houses.

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This tarnished gem may have seen better days

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but it's a treasure trove of secrets waiting to be revealed.

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Who knows what's going to turn up!

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It is quite a Sherlock Holmes adventure.

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But Llanelly House isn't just grotty,

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it's actually on the point of collapse.

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Oh, look at that, urgh! Actually quite disgusting.

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And this faded beauty is going to have to get her glad rags on

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to turn heads again.

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When they walk out of this room, they've got to go, "Wow!"

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It's been a ten year marathon

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and costs are threatening to go through the roof!

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You're dealing with public money, we have to finish on time

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and to budget, mainly to budget.

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And that's going to be the biggest issue.

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And everyone is going to feel the heat.

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-Do you ever get a bit grumpy?

-Very, very often.

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There will be testing times ahead.

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Can they keep their eyes on the prize?

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I'm hoping that people will feel that there's something

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special in Llanelli again.

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Like so many towns in Wales, Llanelli had a pretty rubbish 20th century.

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Had a few highs but it was mostly lows

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and it's here in the town centre that you can really see

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the scars, you can sense the negativity and the depression,

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the low self esteem, but Llanelli has, at its heart,

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a bit of an architectural lucky charm, a talisman.

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And we're all very much hoping that the rebuilding,

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the refurbishment, the renaissance of Llanelly House will not only

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symbolise but also kick-start the resurgence of Llanelli town.

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Back in 2003, the final of the BBC Restoration series

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put Llanelly House well and truly on the map.

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Hello, welcome to Restoration.

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Our first building was built on the cusp of a new era, Llanelly House.

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Ah, look!

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Careful!

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Look...Renaissance, a Renaissance view in the heart of South Wales.

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This is unbelievably good, actually.

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I mean, this is serious Grade I listing.

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Run down it may be

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but there's a good reason for its Grade I listing.

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Very few buildings of this type and quality survive.

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It's the finest early 18th century town house in Wales,

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dating from 1714, the dawn of the Georgian era.

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A decade ago on Restoration, I was Llanelly House's champion!

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The most compelling reason why Llanelly House should be

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restored and saved is the fact that if you don't, I will buy it,

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I will paint it purple, I will cover the roof in pink fur fabric

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and I will sell it to Kylie for £65 billion!

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Being on Restoration was very exciting.

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I think it made Llanelli clearer about what a gem

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exists in the centre of the town.

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It pointed out to people outside

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that this project deserves support.

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It's taken years of struggle.

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The county council helped by closing the road to traffic that

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thundered by, funding of £6 million was finally secured, more than

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half from the lottery, and nearly two million in European grants.

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Llanelly House fits into a wider town centre regeneration.

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But too much is at stake for it to be a mere ornament.

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It has to serve the community, attract visitors

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and boost the economy.

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Devising an end use that is going

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to stack up in terms of community

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benefit, is harmonious with the

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character of the house and is going

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to be economically viable is really

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the crucial, the crucial target.

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In short, it has to become an attraction of national importance.

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I admire the ambition and share the enthusiasm...

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But more than a century of abuse and neglect have left an almighty mess!

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And they've got an enormous task on their hands.

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It just seems in such an incredibly unfriendly place.

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You know, we're right next to a shopping centre.

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It just does not seem to be where you would want to put

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such a beautiful house.

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No. And that...it was not put in that situation originally.

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I mean, what we are looking at is a great country house that has

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ended up in the middle of a town

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because the town has grown around it.

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We have to think back to the 18th century and earlier, when

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there was this church here, which has been here since the Middle Ages.

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There was a village over there on our right,

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-where there's now car-parks and roads.

-Yeah.

-And that was Llanelli.

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And then, on this side over here was a great park

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and in that park stood this great house.

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So, it is a country house, with a village and church attached,

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now engulfed in a town.

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Llanelli was made prosperous by coal mining, tinplate and steel.

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Like most towns that owe their existence

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to the Industrial Revolution,

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it's largely Victorian

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but Llanelly House is of an entirely different architectural vintage.

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That's doing such a good job at looking early 18th century,

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-isn't it?

-Yes.

-It's talking the language exquisitely.

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This is quite restrained, this is quite dignified,

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this is quite classical.

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It is quite restrained and dignified and it has some extraordinary

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extra features about it that, again, classical...

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On the parapet there's a series of urns, stone urns.

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Now, I mean, these are pure classical, early 18th century urns.

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So, they were trying to achieve that.

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And then there are these wooden cornices, on each of these areas

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that break forward there is a timber cornice.

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Again, a lot of classical detail.

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Well, you see, I think those are genius and I'm so pinching that.

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-Yeah.

-I'm going to do that cos it's a wonderful way

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of focusing your decorative resources, isn't it?

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Things like the lead work on the hopper, things like the pilasters,

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things like these funny bits of cornice.

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-It's so beautifully arranged, it's almost symphonic, isn't it?

-Yes.

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Not too much, not too little.

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And then it's all capped off with these urns.

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There is no parallel for it, there is no other building

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that we have ever found that has this same sort of detail

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and so the suspicion is that, in fact,

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it's a brilliant local builder-cum-architect.

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-We'd love to know who it was.

-We've got no idea?

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We have no name, no.

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The house is part of a town centre regeneration, costing £60 million.

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They've restored some grand Victorian chapels

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but the effect is rather ruined by what they've plonked next door.

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This bland, identikit architecture

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isn't my cup of tea, sorry, Llanelli.

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I think it rather demeans the town.

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So, I hope the house is shown a bit more tender, loving care.

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The man who's grasped the nettle is new project director Craig Hatto.

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He arrives with an impressive CV.

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He's helped to develop visitor attractions like

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The Scotch Whiskey Experience in Edinburgh

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and the Jorvik Viking Centre in York.

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But, as well as creative vision,

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this project needs a leader with a keen business brain.

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I was taken on board to actually create the vision that will

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sustain itself for years to come.

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You will see so much happen in the next two years, erm,

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it will be very, very, very fast paced.

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May, 2011. At last the contractors move in.

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Richard Scott Jones is an archaeologist

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appointed by the historic monuments body Cadw,

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another of the project's funders.

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His job, to record the house's past and ensure the builders don't

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destroy anything of value, so that nothing is lost to history.

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Actually, yeah, can you go in?

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Cos it looks like it's resting on there...

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For me, it's working it out, it's working the story out all the time.

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Erm, and this house is so complex!

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Now, anything he finds could slow the project down.

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And he's already uncovered what looks like walls

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and steps belonging to a much earlier building.

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It's time delay, time delay all the time.

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Even though everybody's always interested in it, they say,

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"Oh, wow! That's amazing!"

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But behind this other side of people there's a,

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"Damn, damn, that's a delay!"

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And, of course, delays are moneys and budgets and times for everybody.

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The conservation architect in charge of the restoration is Sophie Teague.

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Like me, she's passionate about the Georgian period

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and intrigued by the house's secret history.

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We always had that debate of why is this room called the Great Hall.

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Great Hall is, you know, a medieval concept.

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Architectural CSI is what Sophie does for a living.

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We thought we had a wonderful

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Georgian 1714 house

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and we clearly have a much older house

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that's just lying in wait just behind the surface.

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It's amazing!

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Looking at it,

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we're going to have to re-write the history of Llanelly House.

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But there's a history to the people who walked these corridors too.

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How did they live?

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I want to unravel the domestic architecture of this place.

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The house is being restored to its heyday , around 1760, the era of the

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seventh Baronet, Sir Thomas Stepney and his wife, Lady Elizabeth.

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Sir Thomas has no truck with playing the country squire,

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he's a businessman, a pioneer of Llanelli coal mining

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and the trappings of money and power are stamped all over his study.

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You must have been blown away when you found that!

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Yes, this is pretty wonderful.

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It's the panel that belongs above us here.

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I can tell that from the green paint.

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But even that had been nailed over with a panel of plywood.

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Yeah.

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And so, when we took it off and realised that this is an original

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1714 landscape, seascape painting on the timber of the fire place.

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And this was done in situ.

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I mean, this isn't a painting that they bought in a gallery or

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-whatever or from a artist.

-No.

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The artist would have gone up a ladder

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and actually painted that there.

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Yeah, on the bare wood,

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you can even see the knots graining through in some places.

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-It's a bit like a commercial, isn't it?

-Yes.

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This picture is the first thing you see as you come into the room.

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So, Sir Thomas wants you to understand a lot about him.

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He wants you to understand

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that he's got a very successful shipping business.

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You know, Sir Tom is doing a Sir Alan Sugar,

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and that's for sure.

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He certainly is, yes.

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And everybody who came in here would have known

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-they were in the presence of a powerful man.

-Yeah.

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And behind this powerful, successful man, an even more formidable woman.

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Lady Elizabeth is descended from noble Carmarthenshire stock

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and considers herself a cut above.

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Upstairs, evidence of her softer,

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more romantic side is being uncovered beneath layers of paint.

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The antechamber to her bedroom is a beautifully intimate painted space.

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It's a delicate scheme, in shades of grey but with overdoors

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adorned by wondrously soft and subtle mythological figures.

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This is just a treasure, this room.

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-I love it, love it to death!

-It's awesome!

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This is setting the scene for what's beyond. For what's beyond, I think.

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Cos this is...right, OK.

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Now, we're going to have to use the B word, aren't we?

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-Yes, definitely.

-This is a boudoir.

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It is a boudoir.

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-In here, she's talking about pleasure.

-She's talking about love.

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She's talking about Venus.

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-Well, Pan is over the door.

-Well, exactly.

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Perhaps Aphrodite over the other door.

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But, I mean, that's instantly saying that it's all getting little

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bit more wild, isn't it?

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I think it's fascinating

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and so illuminating on 18th century society,

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that we always had this vision of women being very subjugated

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and very much under the thumb of men

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but actually they did make spaces for themselves that were

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intensely original and had a lot of personality to them.

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She has put her desires, her stamp in this space.

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But, of course, the really exciting thing,

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the thing that is making the hair on our neck stand up is

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the fact that there could be something in the middle.

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-So much more of it.

-There very often is something bang in the middle.

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-Yeah.

-And that could be just a little,

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tiny thing or it could even be a big scene.

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Yeah, I mean, we are, fingers crossed, we are

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hoping that we have whole panels.

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Suddenly, with this, history just got personal.

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-Oh, so personal.

-We've just met Lady Elizabeth.

-So intimate...yeah.

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Downstairs, Richard the archaeologist is making more exciting finds.

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A poppy motif from an Elizabethan fireplace

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and the bric-a-brac of everyday life.

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Bottles...

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and clay pipes that builders threw away

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when the house was remodelled around 1680.

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Even oyster shells that they discarded after lunch.

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But, most startlingly, something that makes him

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rethink the whole history of the house.

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It looks like a great rockery to me.

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THEY LAUGH

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I mean, obviously it's a bit of a surprise to lift up

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a Georgian floor and find this. What is it?

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-I think it's pre-house. We're talking medieval, the cobbling.

-Really?

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Definitely medieval, the cobbled surface,

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but then at some stage, the Tudor house has come into the area...

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Built on top of it.

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-And then a Jacobean house. There's been constant continuity.

-Yeah.

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I think it's very possible we do have the remnants of monastic land

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with agricultural buildings

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and then some of the Crown have had the property, put it out to auction,

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local gentry bought it and that's when we get the beginning...

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And so they convert it into a manor house.

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This is Richard's best guess of how the house looked

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when it was a 16th century Tudor manor.

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So, Llanelly House wasn't a Georgian new-build on a greenfield site.

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It was an ingenious and thrifty reworking of a much older house.

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And this is the beauty of Llanelly House really.

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We do have this 18th century narrative on the house,

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but suddenly, it has a very, very long past.

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Yeah, deeper, darker, much more complicated past.

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Sophie has her own headaches to contend with.

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Her goal is to save as much of the original house as possible,

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but some parts are beyond rescue.

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So you can see here, all of these...

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Look at that. All these fungi growing on this timber,

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and it's terribly, terribly rotten.

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I mean, it's absolutely sodden,

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and it's really not performing anymore.

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Hence, it's propped.

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This is going to have to be cut out because it's absolutely beyond.

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I mean, I can put my fingers right in there.

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Oh, look at that. Yeuch!

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It's actually quite disgusting.

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So, yeah, we have a lot of rot in this project.

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The house must be rain-proofed and saved from the top down.

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Site manager Neil Griffiths and his team of builders have rescued

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the roof from collapse by replacing rotten timbers with steel beams.

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Almost every other area is quite precarious.

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Well, if you look around, it's rather dangerous to look at.

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Yeah, I mean, we're barely safe now.

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There's no work on site in this area until we make each bay safe

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as we're going along.

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So, it's a pretty enormous task.

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These stately urns carved from the finest Bath stone

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are the final flourish on the house's Classical facade.

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But time and the elements have taken their toll and, over the years,

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botched concrete repairs have caused them to crack even more.

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As you can see, this bit, this sort of wedge,

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has literally fallen out before we started the process and so we know

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they're in quite a fragile position, but this piece will be saved.

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There will be a dowel put into it

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and it put back into the urn.

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It still fits perfectly.

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-It will repair up.

-Yes, definitely.

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It looks worse than what it is, I think.

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The entire project is about holding the old

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and the new in a very delicate balance.

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It's really not at all straightforward

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because everybody involved in this project is teetering on a tightrope

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between, on one side, creating a historical restoration

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that is going to keep the purists happy.

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And then, on the other side,

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the generation of a 21st century visitor attraction

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that is going to capture the imagination,

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that's going to be bringing people into Llanelli.

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But also, it's going to be future-proofed.

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This area here is very, very interesting to us because...

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'Project director Craig's vision

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'is to create a hi tech visitor experience.

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'He's briefing the branding and creative consultant

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'who's been drafted in to make it real.'

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-We've got to do something really exciting.

-End on a high.

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Yeah, end on a high.

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When they walk out of this room, they've got to go, "Wow!"

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And people have to see that to go,

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"What's going on in there. Got to go to that. Must see."

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Anyway, let's go through to the next area.

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The visitor is at the heart of the experience and they will remain at

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the heart of the experience, because, without that, the house falls flat.

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You get a beautiful restoration but it falls and it dies.

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It's very hard to fault Craig's energy

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and the sheer number of ideas he's got bubbling away.

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He wants to inspire the people of Llanelli by reminding them

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of their history. But I do wonder about the project's focus

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and its appeal to the community it's serving.

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When you look down this vista, you will see a series of portraits.

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Firstly, of the heroes of the house,

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the people who really generated this place over the years.

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And then, as you go round the building

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and through the experience to the other side,

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you meet the heroes of the community,

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the people that this house spawned over years and years,

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who not just remained in Llanelli,

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but extended around the world and had a major effect on the world.

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The whole experience will finish on you,

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as in who you are as well,

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and how you fit into the bigger picture.

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OK, I'm finally getting a handle on Craig's big idea.

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Genealogy.

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Hoping to cash in on the vogue for online family history,

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and, of course,

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the popularity of TV programmes like Who Do You Think You Are?

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Craig's dream is to make Llanelly House

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the national genealogy centre for Wales.

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We had to find something that was unique,

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that people could hook into on a national level

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and that became genealogy.

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There's so many different people working on this from

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content developers to graphic designers to interpretation designers

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to object managers, and it all brings it all together.

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Well, what's more compelling to me

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is the genealogy of the house itself,

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the tortured history of its muddled facade.

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Take a step back before the scaffolding went up.

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Look at how the front door has been moved and the two pilasters

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have been shunted down to create Victorian shop fronts.

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The priority now is to recreate the load-bearing masonry that the

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Victorians removed. This wonky window isn't down to subsidence.

0:23:090:23:14

There's just hardly any wall holding it up.

0:23:140:23:17

For the moment, steel beams

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and props are all that is keeping this house on its feet.

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Victorians and the Edwardians took out all the masonry

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and replaced it with a few...

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cast iron columns and a lot of glass.

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-I mean, that's where the building REALLY went wrong.

-Yeah, absolutely.

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You lose the form.

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You lose the spaces within

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and you are relying on two tiny point loads.

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Basically, all of Llanelly House is on stilettos?

0:23:420:23:46

-Yeah.

-It was, wasn't it? This is a 40-tonne lovely lady,

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lovely though she is,

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putting her on stilettos is never going to be a good idea.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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I don't know how there wasn't a sudden collapse.

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For more than a century and a half,

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these shop fronts have been part of the Llanelli townscape.

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Though alien to the original Georgian house, the shops, too,

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have a secret history waiting to be revealed.

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This panel has, um,

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been shown to reveal quite an exciting phase of this building.

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So, although it wasn't blocked up,

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it obviously hasn't been opened for a very long time until we came along.

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These wine and spirit labels are like fossils from a hidden world, frozen in time.

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The remnants of Ma Grave's Wine Shop give a tantalising glimpse

0:24:420:24:45

of old Llanelli's drinking habits.

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"Medoc Bordeaux.

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"Shipped and bottled by Margrave Bros, established 1858."

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The house's Victorian era is intriguing,

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but it's a century earlier, the heyday of the house around 1760,

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that really fascinates me.

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So I've come to the Carmarthenshire Archives to hunt for more clues

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about Sir Thomas and Lady Stepney.

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This is the inventory from 1764 you might be interesting in.

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Oh, great. Thank you.

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This is absolutely fascinating

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because it's an inventory of all the stuff that

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was in Llanelly House in 1764 and this is really

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a list of everything that the Stepneys felt made them as people.

0:25:500:25:56

It's all about the very ostentatious things, the very showy things,

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but nothing that's got any kind of associations with intellect or culture.

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In fact, I'm beginning to suspect

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they're a little bit Hyacinth Bucket,

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because what he's really focusing on in here...

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And this is all in Sir Thomas Stepney's hand himself.

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He's not even got his PA to do this.

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He's been walking round the house and actually writing it out -

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..are the things that are the most important

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and the real jewel in the crown, as far as he's concerned,

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is the "tea table china with the arms - came to Llanelli in 1762."

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You couldn't buy this stuff off the shelf.

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Porcelain was a miraculous substance like nothing

0:26:460:26:50

made in Europe at the time and fabulously expensive.

0:26:500:26:54

Wealthy families sent their coats of arms to China

0:26:540:26:56

and waited two years for the porcelain to be shipped back.

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And, of course, this is really, really important to him.

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Every single little coffee cup

0:27:030:27:06

will have had a really very, very high value to it.

0:27:060:27:10

This would have been in-your-face real showing off stuff

0:27:100:27:15

the minute you walked into the room.

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The Stepneys' armorial dinner service had more than 360 pieces.

0:27:200:27:25

Around a third has been tracked down to a collector in Washington DC

0:27:250:27:28

and brought back to Wales at a cost of nearly

0:27:280:27:30

a quarter of a million pounds.

0:27:300:27:32

I've come to Somerset to meet the period design team recreating

0:27:470:27:50

some of Llanelly House's interiors.

0:27:500:27:52

And this is the model they're using for Lady Stepney's bed.

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Small, because in the mid-18th century,

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gentry couples usually slept apart.

0:28:030:28:06

Back then, the simple mahogany frame would have cost around £10

0:28:060:28:10

but the fabrics, these very plush drapes,

0:28:100:28:13

valances and cornices, would be nearer 200.

0:28:130:28:16

The point of the bedroom was to show off the material, wasn't it?

0:28:200:28:23

-The material was THE most expensive thing in the room.

-It was, yeah.

0:28:230:28:27

-It's almost a link with fashion.

-Yeah.

0:28:270:28:29

You've got these very, very beautiful materials

0:28:290:28:32

that she would have been wearing, I'm sure.

0:28:320:28:34

-Yeah.

-And so this is it?

-Yes.

0:28:340:28:37

The linings will all be in gold taffeta, that's this one,

0:28:370:28:40

to contrast and to show off the beautiful red damask on the face,

0:28:400:28:46

-which will make it look splendid.

-Yeah.

0:28:460:28:49

Becky, you've got really under the skin of Lady Stepney,

0:28:490:28:51

-doing this, haven't you?

-It's been fascinating.

-Is she possessing you?

0:28:510:28:55

-Do you need help?

-Almost, almost.

0:28:550:28:58

Yes, she would have been an incredibly fashionable lady

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for her time in that particular area of Wales.

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We know that the Stepneys had a property in Spitalfields in London.

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We know that she enjoyed going to Bath

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to take the waters for her health.

0:29:100:29:13

Two of the most important cities in Britain at the time.

0:29:130:29:16

And she would have brought back from there all the ideas

0:29:160:29:19

that were happening at the time.

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She would have brought them back to Llanelli and would have been

0:29:210:29:24

one of the first women in that area to have the amazing luxuries.

0:29:240:29:30

So we know, yes, she was the leader of the pack.

0:29:300:29:33

-Gosh, leader of the social set.

-Yes, that's right.

0:29:330:29:36

I'm obsessed by the boudoir.

0:29:360:29:38

I think the boudoir is such a wonderful survival.

0:29:380:29:41

Almost certainly somewhere where she got dressed

0:29:410:29:44

and possibly performed other intimate functions.

0:29:440:29:46

Absolutely, yes.

0:29:460:29:48

In order to cater for those things,

0:29:480:29:50

we've bought this commode which has to be restored.

0:29:500:29:53

It's being restored at the moment. It's got a pewter bowl inside it

0:29:530:29:57

and it needs to have some upholstery around it to make a...

0:29:570:30:00

-That's a frightening thought!

-..a padded seat.

0:30:000:30:02

But, I mean, these were grisly items, really,

0:30:020:30:04

when you think about it, because pity the pure servant

0:30:040:30:07

that, you know, had to do something about that.

0:30:070:30:09

-It is literally just a...

-Yeah, yeah, but what if...?

0:30:090:30:12

I mean, if you didn't have that, what would you do?

0:30:120:30:15

-There's always the window.

-Exactly!

0:30:150:30:16

LAUGHTER

0:30:160:30:18

The traditional building arts on show at Llanelly House now

0:30:270:30:31

are no less refined than the 18th-century artefacts

0:30:310:30:33

that once graced its rooms.

0:30:330:30:37

It sounds like he's giving the roof

0:30:370:30:39

a very vigorous Scandinavian massage.

0:30:390:30:41

-What is he doing there?

-The lead is a Code 6 lead.

-Yeah.

0:30:410:30:45

And it takes a lot of work to beat it and dress it down.

0:30:450:30:48

You've got to do it in small stages,

0:30:480:30:50

then go back on yourself half a dozen, a dozen times.

0:30:500:30:52

But I would imagine... There's nothing complicated about that.

0:30:520:30:55

I would imagine that's exactly how the original roof was done.

0:30:550:30:58

That is the original work and it is the only way you could do it.

0:30:580:31:01

There is no modern machinery you can do it with.

0:31:010:31:03

That's something that really strikes me about the site.

0:31:030:31:05

There's so little machinery

0:31:050:31:07

because everything has to be done specifically and specially by hand.

0:31:070:31:10

Most of the timber, it was all hand carved.

0:31:100:31:12

Any of the carving has got to be hand done.

0:31:120:31:14

The machinery isn't out there, really, to do it.

0:31:140:31:17

-But you quite like that, don't you?

-It's a challenge.

0:31:170:31:19

Yeah, I think this roof is such a...

0:31:190:31:22

such a good example of the madness of Llanelly House.

0:31:220:31:26

There is some guy that's been asked to build an Italian, you know,

0:31:260:31:29

very gracious, very classical-looking building

0:31:290:31:33

with a flat roof and yet

0:31:330:31:34

it's in one of the wettest parts of northern Europe.

0:31:340:31:36

So they are trying to think of ways of keeping it drained

0:31:360:31:39

and so they do this, they actually turn it into

0:31:390:31:42

the opening sequence of Coronation Street.

0:31:420:31:44

But whilst there is progress on the roof, factors like rot,

0:31:520:31:56

archaeological finds and unforeseen structural problems

0:31:560:32:00

have slowed work down.

0:32:000:32:03

The house was due to open to the public in December 2012.

0:32:030:32:06

Now the timetable has slipped by at least three months.

0:32:060:32:11

I'd go for 31st March.

0:32:110:32:13

We will be near or as close to that as we can possibly get.

0:32:130:32:16

And the contractors know that?

0:32:160:32:18

The contractors definitely know that.

0:32:180:32:19

What do they say? Do they just go, "Mmmm,"

0:32:190:32:21

or do they go, "Yes, sir, of course, sir!"

0:32:210:32:23

No. They... We are all answerable in different ways.

0:32:230:32:27

It would be detrimental to the project

0:32:270:32:30

if it carries on and on and on.

0:32:300:32:32

You are dealing with public money

0:32:320:32:34

and I've got to keep that on track and I have to account for that

0:32:340:32:38

and if we are going to be late, there has to be...

0:32:380:32:41

We have to be answerable for that, so we have to finish on time

0:32:410:32:45

and to budget, mainly to budget.

0:32:450:32:47

And that is going to be the biggest issue.

0:32:470:32:49

Yes, of course delays are bound to happen

0:32:490:32:52

on big and complicated projects,

0:32:520:32:55

but the contractor's worried too

0:32:550:32:57

that Craig and his team are rather slow to make key decisions.

0:32:570:33:01

Nothing seems to be moving fast enough.

0:33:010:33:03

It's very frustrating when you go into somewhere

0:33:030:33:05

with all these unforeseens and you can't get answers quick enough,

0:33:050:33:08

which has a knock-on effect for the other trades

0:33:080:33:11

and for the works to carry on, and you do tend to do a lot of screaming

0:33:110:33:14

and shouting then and trying to explain to people

0:33:140:33:16

why you need this decision urgently.

0:33:160:33:19

You are the one that's got to carry the can on this.

0:33:190:33:21

-It is a lot of pressure involved, yes.

-Do you...

0:33:210:33:24

-I mean, do you ever get a bit grumpy?

-Very, very often.

0:33:240:33:28

Miles away, in the peace of the Carmarthenshire hills,

0:33:370:33:40

stonemason Ollie Coe is making progress.

0:33:400:33:43

He's hard at work on the puzzle of the urns,

0:33:440:33:47

piecing cracked fragments of Bath stone back together.

0:33:470:33:51

And, where concrete and water damage have dealt a mortal blow,

0:33:510:33:55

he is carving new sections from scratch.

0:33:550:33:57

I'm confident they'll look terrific at the end of the day and...

0:33:590:34:03

I'm really looking forward to seeing them

0:34:030:34:05

with their full front scaffolding removed

0:34:050:34:08

and they should look like the cherry on the cake.

0:34:080:34:11

At the house, too, craftsmen are hard at work.

0:34:330:34:36

They have turned one room into a joinery workshop

0:34:360:34:38

to get a move on with the wooden panels

0:34:380:34:40

that will line most of the rooms.

0:34:400:34:42

Out go modern materials like concrete

0:34:460:34:48

and in comes lime render to give the house a living, breathing skin.

0:34:480:34:53

And this is how to get the posh look on a budget.

0:34:560:34:59

The technique they are using is called ashlar work.

0:34:590:35:02

It looks like cheating,

0:35:020:35:04

but this is exactly how they did it in the 18th century.

0:35:040:35:07

This is a bit like an 18th-century stone cladding.

0:35:090:35:13

It's really keeping-up-with-the-Joneses stuff.

0:35:130:35:16

The scorelines are done just hours after the float coat is put on.

0:35:160:35:22

They have to get the marks in before it's completely gone off,

0:35:220:35:26

but not straightaway when it is too soft,

0:35:260:35:29

so it's this fine line between...

0:35:290:35:31

Well, it's perfection. The craftsmanship is fantastic.

0:35:310:35:36

You see the building come back alive again.

0:35:380:35:41

It's spectacular.

0:35:410:35:43

The house is owned and run

0:35:540:35:56

by the Carmarthenshire Heritage Regeneration Trust.

0:35:560:36:00

The chief executive is Claire Deacon and she and her trustees

0:36:000:36:04

are guardians of the project's funding,

0:36:040:36:06

so this is where the buck stops.

0:36:060:36:08

Having got her hands on the Stepney's armorial china service,

0:36:110:36:14

top of her wish list now

0:36:140:36:15

is a portrait of the eighth Baronet, Sir John Stepney

0:36:150:36:19

by a superstar of 18th-century painting, Sir Joshua Reynolds.

0:36:190:36:24

Horrible question, I know, but how much is it?

0:36:250:36:28

Well, you know I'd rather not say! LAUGHTER

0:36:280:36:31

-Mime it, no-one will know.

-What I will say is

0:36:310:36:34

we've aimed to raise £50,000 for its purchase,

0:36:340:36:37

but we're also trying to raise another £50,000

0:36:370:36:40

to undertake activities for children to explore their own identity

0:36:400:36:45

and sense of understanding and confidence, which will be

0:36:450:36:47

centred around the understanding of the Stepney portrait.

0:36:470:36:50

I think the key thing that I want Llanelly House to bring

0:36:500:36:53

to Llanelli is just a sense of vibrancy and activity and busyness.

0:36:530:36:57

I want people to come in the front door and to be...

0:36:570:37:00

You know, have a sense of awe of,

0:37:000:37:02

"I didn't realise it was quite this historic."

0:37:020:37:05

But, in many ways, you got the toughest job because here we are,

0:37:050:37:09

we are in this wonderfully exciting, creative, buzzy building site,

0:37:090:37:13

but you've got to actually make it work, to make it viable.

0:37:130:37:16

Is that a life-shortening expedience?

0:37:160:37:18

Well, it certainly keeps me awake at four o'clock in the morning

0:37:180:37:21

and I don't want to be doing that for the next year!

0:37:210:37:23

OK, now, the good news is there is

0:37:310:37:33

a little bit of Llanelly House that's actually finished,

0:37:330:37:35

but, perversely, it is a bit the public will never see - the roof.

0:37:350:37:41

Although, of course, without the roof being watertight,

0:37:410:37:43

nothing else can happen in the rest of the house.

0:37:430:37:47

Downstairs, some jobs are getting done, but, gosh, it's slow going.

0:37:520:37:56

When I was here last, the project was already three months late.

0:37:560:38:00

Back then, project director Craig was aiming to open on March 31st.

0:38:000:38:04

Now the timetable has slipped again to a summer opening.

0:38:040:38:10

It's better to be in summer than it is in winter for something like this

0:38:100:38:14

because it would have less of an impact

0:38:140:38:17

if it was opened in midwinter, for instance.

0:38:170:38:20

Not too many people want to

0:38:200:38:21

come to major visitor attractions at that time.

0:38:210:38:24

The contractors are feeling the heat.

0:38:290:38:31

Site manager Neal and his team are keen to get the job finished,

0:38:310:38:34

but they are having to accommodate their client's changing plans.

0:38:340:38:39

Save us machining it?

0:38:390:38:43

They might as well machine it to size.

0:38:430:38:45

Craig is determined to future-proof the house,

0:38:470:38:51

hence the jumble of cables, but details of his hi tech vision,

0:38:510:38:55

including the costs, have yet to be finalised.

0:38:550:38:58

And until the builders know where all these wires need to go,

0:38:580:39:02

they can't get on with other parts of the job.

0:39:020:39:05

We can't carry 20 carpenters when there is only work for five or six.

0:39:050:39:09

So we know we've got work for 20,

0:39:090:39:14

but until we can actually get into certain areas and do certain things,

0:39:140:39:18

then obviously we cannot accommodate them.

0:39:180:39:20

One area that has been rather neglected is the stairwell.

0:39:270:39:31

It should be the centrepiece of the house, but it's occupied now

0:39:310:39:34

by a mean, poky staircase inserted by the Edwardians.

0:39:340:39:38

The original oak stairs led to a grandiose sash window

0:39:380:39:43

with a classical balcony thrown in as a final flourish.

0:39:430:39:46

Get a prop under it, Neal.

0:39:480:39:51

You need to get a couple of props on the short ones now

0:39:510:39:54

so you can rest it down gently.

0:39:540:39:56

At last, it's time to throw out the impostor staircase.

0:39:570:40:01

It's been a long time coming. When this is out, I'll feel a lot better.

0:40:030:40:08

It's progress, but they are still way behind schedule.

0:40:090:40:13

The more days you lose, obviously,

0:40:130:40:15

it just pushes the target a bit further away.

0:40:150:40:19

I'll be very disappointed if we miss our target.

0:40:190:40:22

I'll be extremely disappointed from a personal point of view,

0:40:220:40:26

let alone the company

0:40:260:40:28

because myself and Neal, we take pride in getting the job done

0:40:280:40:33

on time and that's what we intend doing.

0:40:330:40:37

So, it's out with the botched "improvements"

0:40:430:40:46

that are the bane of Llanelly House.

0:40:460:40:48

Nothing embodies the house's classical splendour

0:40:530:40:57

more than the urns now being restored to its parapets -

0:40:570:41:00

the glories of Greece and Rome conjured up

0:41:000:41:03

on the Llanelli skyline.

0:41:030:41:05

Well, they are delicate really. Handling is always a bit of an issue.

0:41:080:41:11

What we don't want to do is damage them at this stage,

0:41:110:41:13

having repaired them.

0:41:130:41:14

We are lifting them over the top of the stainless steel rods

0:41:140:41:18

and bedding them on a lime mortar.

0:41:180:41:20

I hope that they won't need to be looked at for many years to come.

0:41:220:41:24

So, what look are they going for for inside Llanelly House?

0:41:290:41:34

15 miles west down the coast, there are some intriguing hints.

0:41:340:41:38

This is the Great House at Laugharne.

0:41:390:41:41

It is a very close architectural blood relation of Llanelly House,

0:41:410:41:45

whether it's a kid brother

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or whether it's son-of, we're not entirely sure,

0:41:470:41:49

but what is important is that wherever you look,

0:41:490:41:53

there are visual clues that can help

0:41:530:41:56

with the missing bits of the Llanelly House jigsaw.

0:41:560:41:59

I'm feeling a bit like a time-traveller.

0:42:040:42:07

I'm feeling a bit as if we have moved forward in time

0:42:070:42:10

sufficiently to see Llanelly House finished,

0:42:100:42:13

cos I'm imagining that this is the sort of effect

0:42:130:42:17

-we're going for in some of the rooms.

-Yeah, absolutely.

0:42:170:42:20

It's got the Georgian atmosphere.

0:42:200:42:23

Not just the kit of parts, but that sort of feeling

0:42:230:42:27

that you are in the minimalist Georgian dream world and, internally,

0:42:270:42:31

very regular, very flat, masculine.

0:42:310:42:36

It's almost like early minimalism.

0:42:360:42:38

The Great House at Laugharne

0:42:420:42:43

lacks the self-importance of Llanelly House.

0:42:430:42:46

There are no urns here,

0:42:460:42:48

but those pilasters framing the front door

0:42:480:42:50

and the carved wooden cornice above share the same design DNA.

0:42:500:42:55

What are the things that, as far as you are concerned,

0:42:570:43:00

make this building the same hand as Llanelly House?

0:43:000:43:06

Looking at it, you can see the genetic footprint everywhere,

0:43:060:43:08

so if you take these archways, the keystones over the top

0:43:080:43:13

are absolutely the same as some of the archways

0:43:130:43:16

that we have at Llanelly House.

0:43:160:43:18

And really, you can't fake that.

0:43:180:43:20

As far as you are concerned, as the Miss Marple of Georgian architecture,

0:43:200:43:23

these are, you know, this is handwriting.

0:43:230:43:26

These are brushstrokes on a painting or...

0:43:260:43:28

You know, these are fingerprints

0:43:280:43:30

-and we have a date with this place, which is...?

-1715.

0:43:300:43:34

-And Llanelly House is...?

-Is 1714.

0:43:340:43:37

The kit of parts is definitely here for us.

0:43:370:43:40

The pilasters and the balusters and newel posts

0:43:400:43:43

and so on and so forth, we're able to take and absolutely replicate.

0:43:430:43:48

At last, the Llanelly House scaffolding is coming down

0:43:540:43:57

to reveal a Georgian facade that looks good enough to eat.

0:43:570:44:01

Inside, in Lady Stepney's boudoir,

0:44:100:44:13

another striptease is nearing its final act.

0:44:130:44:16

16 coats of paint have been removed,

0:44:180:44:20

the final layer painstakingly scraped away with a scalpel.

0:44:200:44:24

They have found four distinct colour schemes, but no sign of what

0:44:250:44:29

I'd been so badly hoping to see - large lavishly decorated panels.

0:44:290:44:33

I'm quite surprised by what you have uncovered.

0:44:350:44:38

When... With that little bit that you found before,

0:44:380:44:41

we were all a bit excited by that, but...

0:44:410:44:44

But the big thing for me,

0:44:440:44:45

and I think for you, is that there's nothing in the middle of the panel.

0:44:450:44:49

We were all assuming they would be a frame

0:44:490:44:51

and then there'd be a scene or a motif or something in the middle.

0:44:510:44:54

Particularly based on the fact of the stuff over the doors and so on.

0:44:540:44:57

I mean, it is a very simple, simple design.

0:44:570:45:00

But what we've actually uncovered here -

0:45:000:45:02

the corners here, I think,

0:45:020:45:05

look pretty rubbish.

0:45:050:45:07

Do you know what I mean?

0:45:070:45:09

-Compared to that.

-Compared to the over doors.

0:45:090:45:11

Those over doors are so soft and romantic and beautiful,

0:45:110:45:17

but unbelievably sophisticated.

0:45:170:45:20

These are very spiky.

0:45:200:45:23

I think, looking at it and only cos I used to do that kind of thing,

0:45:230:45:27

I think it's based on stencil.

0:45:270:45:28

I think there's a stencil been used for the basic outline

0:45:280:45:32

and then the highlight and the shadow have been put in by hand,

0:45:320:45:37

freehand, but with none of the beautiful gradation of tone

0:45:370:45:43

that you get with the over doors.

0:45:430:45:45

Those panels are due to be cleaned as part of this whole process.

0:45:450:45:48

Is it too late to cover them back up?

0:45:480:45:50

Talk to my assistants about that. After six weeks scraping away.

0:45:530:45:57

You know, I've got some really nice wallpaper you could put up.

0:45:570:46:00

The speed of the build has picked up, but not enough.

0:46:080:46:11

Craig's plans for the visitor experience are,

0:46:110:46:13

to a large extent, dictating the pace.

0:46:130:46:17

His proposed national genealogy centre for Wales will have

0:46:170:46:21

at its centrepiece an interactive globe, mapping family histories.

0:46:210:46:26

Visitors would leave biometric fingerprints.

0:46:260:46:29

There are even plans for a DNA testing station.

0:46:290:46:31

Craig is pressing ahead with the Time Lapse Room -

0:46:340:46:36

a 360 degree immersive audiovisual experience.

0:46:360:46:42

You hear a... HE COUGHS

0:46:420:46:44

"Well, actually, I'm going to tell you about Llanelly House."

0:46:440:46:47

It's one of the portraits starts to talk and takes over the sequence.

0:46:470:46:51

The lights go down and the sun and moon start shooting past

0:46:510:46:55

backwards and forwards as if you start to run back in time.

0:46:550:46:58

It means paying for actors and green-screen filming.

0:47:000:47:04

Well, with all this CGI and digital trickery,

0:47:040:47:07

I worry he's got a touch of the Steven Spielbergs.

0:47:070:47:09

Well, back on terra firma, Sophie has found a craftsman to make

0:47:140:47:18

the stairs she's been planning and drawing for years.

0:47:180:47:20

This staircase is going to be the centrepiece of this building.

0:47:220:47:26

The staircase carving just gives it that wow factor, doesn't it?

0:47:260:47:30

The stairs are being crafted in Haverfordwest from solid oak.

0:47:370:47:42

These are the timbers for the newels.

0:47:420:47:44

We can see where the turnings are going to be,

0:47:440:47:48

and try to match it to the grain as best as possible.

0:47:480:47:50

No more castles in the air.

0:47:520:47:54

It's a joy to see Sophie's ideas made real.

0:47:540:47:56

It's April 2013. My first time back in a while.

0:48:130:48:17

Well, I can honestly say that this is the first time I've come here

0:48:170:48:20

and stood here and felt that there might be a bit of Georgian light

0:48:200:48:23

at the end of the Georgian tunnel.

0:48:230:48:25

That is looking quite credible.

0:48:250:48:28

In fact, that is looking incredible.

0:48:280:48:31

But what's the inside like?

0:48:310:48:34

This is the bit where I'm supposed to talk about

0:48:550:48:59

how finished everything's looking.

0:48:590:49:01

About how it's, you know, less than six months until it opens

0:49:010:49:05

and isn't it all very exciting?

0:49:050:49:07

But it really doesn't look very finished at all.

0:49:070:49:10

There are bits upstairs that,

0:49:110:49:13

I suppose they give you a bit of a lift

0:49:130:49:16

because there's a radiator or there's some paint on the panelling

0:49:160:49:19

and there's maybe even a socket or two if you're really lucky.

0:49:190:49:22

What shocks me at the moment

0:49:220:49:25

is that not only is the building not terribly complete,

0:49:250:49:30

it's just the amount of cables.

0:49:300:49:32

The amount of dangling cables everywhere,

0:49:320:49:35

because it's obvious that so much of the resources,

0:49:350:49:40

so much of the time is going into the attractions.

0:49:400:49:44

It's going into the digital displays.

0:49:440:49:46

It's going into the sort of...

0:49:460:49:48

The faith in the technology is overwhelming.

0:49:480:49:52

I'm just a bit worried that it's overwhelming

0:49:520:49:56

the fundamental beauty of just finishing, restoring

0:49:560:50:00

and bringing this beautiful building back to life.

0:50:000:50:03

The big news is that project director Craig has left.

0:50:100:50:14

Now he's providing only very occasional consultancy.

0:50:140:50:17

And they're running out of money.

0:50:170:50:19

They've had to get an interest-free loan

0:50:190:50:21

of a quarter of a million pounds from the county council.

0:50:210:50:24

They've asked the Heritage Lottery Fund for an extra

0:50:260:50:28

660,000 on top of the 3.4 million they've already given,

0:50:280:50:33

but this has just been refused.

0:50:330:50:37

Are you running out of money in certain areas which means

0:50:370:50:40

that you actually have to raise funds to pay for things?

0:50:400:50:43

It does mean that our budget is starting to be used up, yeah.

0:50:430:50:46

Then you have to ask them for more funds as well.

0:50:460:50:49

-How does that...? That can't feel good.

-It's not great.

0:50:490:50:53

It's very difficult. It is very difficult.

0:50:540:50:57

It was a big all-singing, all-dancing

0:50:570:50:59

proposal originally, wasn't it?

0:50:590:51:01

Craig had a vision of something that was very techno heavy.

0:51:010:51:04

Have you had to get to a stage with all of this where you have

0:51:040:51:07

had to choose what the star of the show is

0:51:070:51:10

between the house and between what the house can offer?

0:51:100:51:15

I think the star of the show has to be the house.

0:51:160:51:19

I mean the house is what's special.

0:51:190:51:21

Without the house, none of this would be...

0:51:210:51:23

Are you having to do that on a daily basis with the budget?

0:51:230:51:25

Are you having to think about actually suddenly having

0:51:250:51:28

some of the bells and whistles for some of the digital things

0:51:280:51:31

less important than actually just making sure that the house

0:51:310:51:34

-is ready and open.

-Absolutely.

0:51:340:51:36

I think that one of the joys of what we're doing is

0:51:360:51:39

the tour around the house will be a guided tour.

0:51:390:51:42

-You'll have a guide that will take you round.

-Back to basics.

0:51:420:51:44

-Back to basics.

-Using a human being.

0:51:440:51:47

-How unusual.

-Oh, my goodness me.

0:51:470:51:49

This has always been your vision.

0:51:580:52:01

Are you disappointed that your vision has been compromised?

0:52:010:52:05

-No, it's a project. It's not my vision.

-No, but your...

0:52:050:52:10

Your big idea, this idea of somewhere that is very interactive,

0:52:100:52:13

that's very digital, that's very contemporary in its technology.

0:52:130:52:17

A lot of that is not now going to happen, is it?

0:52:170:52:19

Yes, it's one area that's been compromised.

0:52:190:52:22

The area that we're keeping down for a second marketing push will be

0:52:220:52:28

the genealogy aspect of it.

0:52:280:52:30

I wouldn't want to put that in straight away at this level.

0:52:300:52:33

But that was the jewel in your crown, wasn't it?

0:52:330:52:35

A year ago, that was going to be the thing that really made

0:52:350:52:40

-Llanelly House different.

-I agree.

0:52:400:52:41

-That's not going to happen.

-That will happen.

0:52:410:52:43

It won't happen at this moment in time.

0:52:430:52:45

You will have a project that has come together that the people will enjoy.

0:52:450:52:50

For how long that is, who knows?

0:52:500:52:52

How it morphs over the next few years, who knows?

0:52:520:52:55

But we've given something back to the nation that is an important piece,

0:52:550:52:59

which is the main structure, and looked at the history of the house.

0:52:590:53:03

How they carry that on as a business, as a sustainable business,

0:53:030:53:07

is now passed over to a trust.

0:53:070:53:09

-That's what...

-You're getting in your Jag and driving away very quickly.

0:53:090:53:13

-I'm off to...

-Whomph! I like that.

0:53:130:53:15

At least the house is coming together.

0:53:280:53:30

Its real wow factor,

0:53:300:53:31

the great Georgian staircase is finally sliding into place.

0:53:310:53:36

On.

0:53:430:53:44

We've been waiting for a very long time for this moment.

0:53:490:53:53

I'm absolutely overjoyed, cos you can see that it's the real thing.

0:53:530:53:57

It's been an absolute labour of love.

0:53:570:54:00

It's a magical day to see it actually come together.

0:54:000:54:03

It might seem a shame to stain that lovely oak,

0:54:120:54:15

but that's just how the Georgians liked it.

0:54:150:54:18

I'm hoping that people will feel that sense of splendour that

0:54:190:54:23

was once actually part of Llanelli town.

0:54:230:54:26

Just feel there's something special in Llanelli again.

0:54:270:54:29

They've gone public with a launch date in time for the October half term holidays,

0:54:480:54:52

and an opening ceremony on November 1st with Huw Edwards.

0:54:520:54:56

Now it's a race against time to hit the deadline.

0:54:570:55:00

It's autumn half term.

0:55:250:55:27

The doors are finally opened,

0:55:270:55:29

and I'm back to see the culmination of a decade of ambition and effort.

0:55:290:55:33

Yes, there've been setbacks and plenty of twists and turns,

0:55:360:55:40

so has it all been worth it?

0:55:400:55:41

Visits to the ground floor are free.

0:55:440:55:47

There's a charge for guided tours of the upper tiers.

0:55:470:55:50

The murals depict Aphrodite and Pan the God of fertility.

0:55:500:55:55

So this is quite a racy room,

0:55:550:55:57

and I believe that Lady Stepney was quite a racy little character.

0:55:570:56:01

So what's the verdict from the first local visitors?

0:56:020:56:06

It's fantastic. Really amazing.

0:56:060:56:09

We're so thrilled that it's actually opening to the public.

0:56:090:56:13

It's given Llanelli back its history, I think.

0:56:130:56:15

People will be proud of that and they'll want to share

0:56:150:56:18

and be part of that.

0:56:180:56:19

Just thrilled to bits. The place looks wonderful.

0:56:210:56:24

You've got an icon for central Llanelli of real quality.

0:56:250:56:31

It's got transformational powers, because it's that good.

0:56:310:56:35

The overall project cost has leapt from £6 million to £7 million.

0:56:370:56:42

That includes an extra grant of half a million in European funding

0:56:420:56:46

for a more hi tech relaunch in the spring.

0:56:460:56:49

The digital experience will roll out. That will enhance all the rooms.

0:56:490:56:54

It will provide research facilities for you to explore genealogy

0:56:540:56:58

and really encourage people to get more involved in their heritage.

0:56:580:57:01

You're from here.

0:57:030:57:05

You will see this so often, your family will see it,

0:57:050:57:08

your neighbours will see it, your friends will see it.

0:57:080:57:11

You've given something literally back to your own home community.

0:57:110:57:14

It's something I always talk about.

0:57:140:57:15

It's round the corner and everybody knows where it is.

0:57:150:57:18

It's a nice feeling. It's a lovely job.

0:57:180:57:20

It's hard to imagine it as it was to what it's like now.

0:57:200:57:23

You live and breathe a project.

0:57:250:57:27

It is emotional and you go on a huge journey, roller coaster.

0:57:280:57:32

It's a real wrench to let it go now.

0:57:320:57:34

It's a...it's a...

0:57:350:57:37

real project of the heart.

0:57:370:57:39

Well, what a marathon.

0:57:460:57:47

I think ten years is the longest I've ever followed a design project.

0:57:470:57:53

What a sense of achievement as well.

0:57:530:57:55

When you bear in mind that when I first saw this place it was

0:57:550:57:58

rubble, it was completely derelict, it was a write-off.

0:57:580:58:03

Now, surrounded by this very charming

0:58:050:58:08

recreated 18th century luxury, it's really seductive.

0:58:080:58:13

It really feels as if something lovely and warm

0:58:130:58:18

and personal has been achieved.

0:58:180:58:20

And it has.

0:58:200:58:21

It's very easy when you look at your town, when you look at your

0:58:210:58:24

community and you can compile a list of all the things you don't have.

0:58:240:58:29

But, actually, what Llanelli did was it understood that it had this.

0:58:290:58:34

It had Llanelly House. That's the point to me.

0:58:340:58:38

We live in a nation where every high street is the same,

0:58:380:58:44

so it's incredibly important to understand that

0:58:440:58:47

places like this are, weirdly, the future.

0:58:470:58:52

Yes, they're all about the past,

0:58:520:58:54

but by being about the past they say so very much about who we are,

0:58:540:59:00

and actually, I suppose, about who we want to be.

0:59:000:59:03

It's fascinating. It's extraordinary.

0:59:030:59:07

Come and see it for yourself.

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