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It's one of Wales' finest historic houses. | 0:00:05 | 0:00:08 | |
This tarnished gem may have seen better days | 0:00:08 | 0:00:10 | |
but it's a treasure trove of secrets waiting to be revealed. | 0:00:10 | 0:00:15 | |
Who knows what's going to turn up! | 0:00:15 | 0:00:18 | |
It is quite a Sherlock Holmes adventure. | 0:00:18 | 0:00:21 | |
But Llanelly House isn't just grotty, | 0:00:21 | 0:00:23 | |
it's actually on the point of collapse. | 0:00:23 | 0:00:25 | |
Oh, look at that, urgh! Actually quite disgusting. | 0:00:25 | 0:00:29 | |
And this faded beauty is going to have to get her glad rags on | 0:00:29 | 0:00:33 | |
to turn heads again. | 0:00:33 | 0:00:35 | |
When they walk out of this room, they've got to go, "Wow!" | 0:00:35 | 0:00:38 | |
It's been a ten year marathon | 0:00:38 | 0:00:40 | |
and costs are threatening to go through the roof! | 0:00:40 | 0:00:43 | |
You're dealing with public money, we have to finish on time | 0:00:43 | 0:00:47 | |
and to budget, mainly to budget. | 0:00:47 | 0:00:49 | |
And that's going to be the biggest issue. | 0:00:49 | 0:00:51 | |
And everyone is going to feel the heat. | 0:00:53 | 0:00:55 | |
-Do you ever get a bit grumpy? -Very, very often. | 0:00:55 | 0:01:00 | |
There will be testing times ahead. | 0:01:00 | 0:01:02 | |
Can they keep their eyes on the prize? | 0:01:02 | 0:01:05 | |
I'm hoping that people will feel that there's something | 0:01:05 | 0:01:08 | |
special in Llanelli again. | 0:01:08 | 0:01:09 | |
Like so many towns in Wales, Llanelli had a pretty rubbish 20th century. | 0:01:17 | 0:01:22 | |
Had a few highs but it was mostly lows | 0:01:22 | 0:01:26 | |
and it's here in the town centre that you can really see | 0:01:26 | 0:01:28 | |
the scars, you can sense the negativity and the depression, | 0:01:28 | 0:01:33 | |
the low self esteem, but Llanelli has, at its heart, | 0:01:33 | 0:01:39 | |
a bit of an architectural lucky charm, a talisman. | 0:01:39 | 0:01:42 | |
And we're all very much hoping that the rebuilding, | 0:01:42 | 0:01:45 | |
the refurbishment, the renaissance of Llanelly House will not only | 0:01:45 | 0:01:50 | |
symbolise but also kick-start the resurgence of Llanelli town. | 0:01:50 | 0:01:55 | |
Back in 2003, the final of the BBC Restoration series | 0:02:02 | 0:02:06 | |
put Llanelly House well and truly on the map. | 0:02:06 | 0:02:09 | |
Hello, welcome to Restoration. | 0:02:12 | 0:02:14 | |
Our first building was built on the cusp of a new era, Llanelly House. | 0:02:16 | 0:02:21 | |
Ah, look! | 0:02:23 | 0:02:26 | |
Careful! | 0:02:26 | 0:02:29 | |
Look...Renaissance, a Renaissance view in the heart of South Wales. | 0:02:29 | 0:02:34 | |
This is unbelievably good, actually. | 0:02:34 | 0:02:36 | |
I mean, this is serious Grade I listing. | 0:02:36 | 0:02:39 | |
Run down it may be | 0:02:41 | 0:02:43 | |
but there's a good reason for its Grade I listing. | 0:02:43 | 0:02:46 | |
Very few buildings of this type and quality survive. | 0:02:46 | 0:02:49 | |
It's the finest early 18th century town house in Wales, | 0:02:49 | 0:02:52 | |
dating from 1714, the dawn of the Georgian era. | 0:02:52 | 0:02:56 | |
A decade ago on Restoration, I was Llanelly House's champion! | 0:02:59 | 0:03:03 | |
The most compelling reason why Llanelly House should be | 0:03:03 | 0:03:07 | |
restored and saved is the fact that if you don't, I will buy it, | 0:03:07 | 0:03:11 | |
I will paint it purple, I will cover the roof in pink fur fabric | 0:03:11 | 0:03:15 | |
and I will sell it to Kylie for £65 billion! | 0:03:15 | 0:03:20 | |
Being on Restoration was very exciting. | 0:03:23 | 0:03:25 | |
I think it made Llanelli clearer about what a gem | 0:03:25 | 0:03:30 | |
exists in the centre of the town. | 0:03:30 | 0:03:34 | |
It pointed out to people outside | 0:03:34 | 0:03:38 | |
that this project deserves support. | 0:03:38 | 0:03:41 | |
It's taken years of struggle. | 0:03:45 | 0:03:48 | |
The county council helped by closing the road to traffic that | 0:03:48 | 0:03:51 | |
thundered by, funding of £6 million was finally secured, more than | 0:03:51 | 0:03:56 | |
half from the lottery, and nearly two million in European grants. | 0:03:56 | 0:04:00 | |
Llanelly House fits into a wider town centre regeneration. | 0:04:00 | 0:04:05 | |
But too much is at stake for it to be a mere ornament. | 0:04:05 | 0:04:08 | |
It has to serve the community, attract visitors | 0:04:08 | 0:04:12 | |
and boost the economy. | 0:04:12 | 0:04:14 | |
Devising an end use that is going | 0:04:16 | 0:04:19 | |
to stack up in terms of community | 0:04:19 | 0:04:22 | |
benefit, is harmonious with the | 0:04:22 | 0:04:26 | |
character of the house and is going | 0:04:26 | 0:04:29 | |
to be economically viable is really | 0:04:29 | 0:04:34 | |
the crucial, the crucial target. | 0:04:34 | 0:04:39 | |
In short, it has to become an attraction of national importance. | 0:04:47 | 0:04:52 | |
I admire the ambition and share the enthusiasm... | 0:04:52 | 0:04:55 | |
But more than a century of abuse and neglect have left an almighty mess! | 0:04:57 | 0:05:02 | |
And they've got an enormous task on their hands. | 0:05:02 | 0:05:06 | |
It just seems in such an incredibly unfriendly place. | 0:05:07 | 0:05:10 | |
You know, we're right next to a shopping centre. | 0:05:10 | 0:05:13 | |
It just does not seem to be where you would want to put | 0:05:13 | 0:05:16 | |
such a beautiful house. | 0:05:16 | 0:05:18 | |
No. And that...it was not put in that situation originally. | 0:05:18 | 0:05:22 | |
I mean, what we are looking at is a great country house that has | 0:05:22 | 0:05:26 | |
ended up in the middle of a town | 0:05:26 | 0:05:28 | |
because the town has grown around it. | 0:05:28 | 0:05:30 | |
We have to think back to the 18th century and earlier, when | 0:05:30 | 0:05:33 | |
there was this church here, which has been here since the Middle Ages. | 0:05:33 | 0:05:37 | |
There was a village over there on our right, | 0:05:37 | 0:05:39 | |
-where there's now car-parks and roads. -Yeah. -And that was Llanelli. | 0:05:39 | 0:05:43 | |
And then, on this side over here was a great park | 0:05:43 | 0:05:47 | |
and in that park stood this great house. | 0:05:47 | 0:05:50 | |
So, it is a country house, with a village and church attached, | 0:05:50 | 0:05:53 | |
now engulfed in a town. | 0:05:53 | 0:05:56 | |
Llanelli was made prosperous by coal mining, tinplate and steel. | 0:06:01 | 0:06:05 | |
Like most towns that owe their existence | 0:06:05 | 0:06:08 | |
to the Industrial Revolution, | 0:06:08 | 0:06:10 | |
it's largely Victorian | 0:06:10 | 0:06:12 | |
but Llanelly House is of an entirely different architectural vintage. | 0:06:12 | 0:06:17 | |
That's doing such a good job at looking early 18th century, | 0:06:17 | 0:06:21 | |
-isn't it? -Yes. -It's talking the language exquisitely. | 0:06:21 | 0:06:23 | |
This is quite restrained, this is quite dignified, | 0:06:23 | 0:06:26 | |
this is quite classical. | 0:06:26 | 0:06:27 | |
It is quite restrained and dignified and it has some extraordinary | 0:06:27 | 0:06:31 | |
extra features about it that, again, classical... | 0:06:31 | 0:06:34 | |
On the parapet there's a series of urns, stone urns. | 0:06:34 | 0:06:38 | |
Now, I mean, these are pure classical, early 18th century urns. | 0:06:38 | 0:06:42 | |
So, they were trying to achieve that. | 0:06:42 | 0:06:44 | |
And then there are these wooden cornices, on each of these areas | 0:06:44 | 0:06:48 | |
that break forward there is a timber cornice. | 0:06:48 | 0:06:50 | |
Again, a lot of classical detail. | 0:06:50 | 0:06:52 | |
Well, you see, I think those are genius and I'm so pinching that. | 0:06:52 | 0:06:55 | |
-Yeah. -I'm going to do that cos it's a wonderful way | 0:06:55 | 0:06:57 | |
of focusing your decorative resources, isn't it? | 0:06:57 | 0:07:01 | |
Things like the lead work on the hopper, things like the pilasters, | 0:07:01 | 0:07:04 | |
things like these funny bits of cornice. | 0:07:04 | 0:07:06 | |
-It's so beautifully arranged, it's almost symphonic, isn't it? -Yes. | 0:07:06 | 0:07:10 | |
Not too much, not too little. | 0:07:10 | 0:07:12 | |
And then it's all capped off with these urns. | 0:07:12 | 0:07:15 | |
There is no parallel for it, there is no other building | 0:07:15 | 0:07:18 | |
that we have ever found that has this same sort of detail | 0:07:18 | 0:07:21 | |
and so the suspicion is that, in fact, | 0:07:21 | 0:07:24 | |
it's a brilliant local builder-cum-architect. | 0:07:24 | 0:07:27 | |
-We'd love to know who it was. -We've got no idea? | 0:07:27 | 0:07:30 | |
We have no name, no. | 0:07:30 | 0:07:32 | |
The house is part of a town centre regeneration, costing £60 million. | 0:07:37 | 0:07:42 | |
They've restored some grand Victorian chapels | 0:07:42 | 0:07:45 | |
but the effect is rather ruined by what they've plonked next door. | 0:07:45 | 0:07:48 | |
This bland, identikit architecture | 0:07:50 | 0:07:52 | |
isn't my cup of tea, sorry, Llanelli. | 0:07:52 | 0:07:54 | |
I think it rather demeans the town. | 0:07:54 | 0:07:57 | |
So, I hope the house is shown a bit more tender, loving care. | 0:07:59 | 0:08:03 | |
The man who's grasped the nettle is new project director Craig Hatto. | 0:08:07 | 0:08:12 | |
He arrives with an impressive CV. | 0:08:12 | 0:08:15 | |
He's helped to develop visitor attractions like | 0:08:15 | 0:08:18 | |
The Scotch Whiskey Experience in Edinburgh | 0:08:18 | 0:08:20 | |
and the Jorvik Viking Centre in York. | 0:08:20 | 0:08:22 | |
But, as well as creative vision, | 0:08:22 | 0:08:25 | |
this project needs a leader with a keen business brain. | 0:08:25 | 0:08:28 | |
I was taken on board to actually create the vision that will | 0:08:30 | 0:08:34 | |
sustain itself for years to come. | 0:08:34 | 0:08:36 | |
You will see so much happen in the next two years, erm, | 0:08:36 | 0:08:40 | |
it will be very, very, very fast paced. | 0:08:40 | 0:08:42 | |
May, 2011. At last the contractors move in. | 0:08:48 | 0:08:52 | |
Richard Scott Jones is an archaeologist | 0:09:03 | 0:09:05 | |
appointed by the historic monuments body Cadw, | 0:09:05 | 0:09:07 | |
another of the project's funders. | 0:09:07 | 0:09:09 | |
His job, to record the house's past and ensure the builders don't | 0:09:11 | 0:09:14 | |
destroy anything of value, so that nothing is lost to history. | 0:09:14 | 0:09:18 | |
Actually, yeah, can you go in? | 0:09:21 | 0:09:23 | |
Cos it looks like it's resting on there... | 0:09:23 | 0:09:25 | |
For me, it's working it out, it's working the story out all the time. | 0:09:29 | 0:09:33 | |
Erm, and this house is so complex! | 0:09:33 | 0:09:36 | |
Now, anything he finds could slow the project down. | 0:09:39 | 0:09:42 | |
And he's already uncovered what looks like walls | 0:09:42 | 0:09:45 | |
and steps belonging to a much earlier building. | 0:09:45 | 0:09:47 | |
It's time delay, time delay all the time. | 0:09:47 | 0:09:50 | |
Even though everybody's always interested in it, they say, | 0:09:50 | 0:09:53 | |
"Oh, wow! That's amazing!" | 0:09:53 | 0:09:54 | |
But behind this other side of people there's a, | 0:09:54 | 0:09:57 | |
"Damn, damn, that's a delay!" | 0:09:57 | 0:10:00 | |
And, of course, delays are moneys and budgets and times for everybody. | 0:10:00 | 0:10:03 | |
The conservation architect in charge of the restoration is Sophie Teague. | 0:10:12 | 0:10:17 | |
Like me, she's passionate about the Georgian period | 0:10:18 | 0:10:21 | |
and intrigued by the house's secret history. | 0:10:21 | 0:10:23 | |
We always had that debate of why is this room called the Great Hall. | 0:10:25 | 0:10:29 | |
Great Hall is, you know, a medieval concept. | 0:10:29 | 0:10:33 | |
Architectural CSI is what Sophie does for a living. | 0:10:33 | 0:10:37 | |
We thought we had a wonderful | 0:10:39 | 0:10:41 | |
Georgian 1714 house | 0:10:41 | 0:10:43 | |
and we clearly have a much older house | 0:10:43 | 0:10:46 | |
that's just lying in wait just behind the surface. | 0:10:46 | 0:10:51 | |
It's amazing! | 0:10:51 | 0:10:52 | |
Looking at it, | 0:10:52 | 0:10:54 | |
we're going to have to re-write the history of Llanelly House. | 0:10:54 | 0:10:58 | |
But there's a history to the people who walked these corridors too. | 0:11:08 | 0:11:11 | |
How did they live? | 0:11:11 | 0:11:13 | |
I want to unravel the domestic architecture of this place. | 0:11:13 | 0:11:18 | |
The house is being restored to its heyday , around 1760, the era of the | 0:11:19 | 0:11:23 | |
seventh Baronet, Sir Thomas Stepney and his wife, Lady Elizabeth. | 0:11:23 | 0:11:28 | |
Sir Thomas has no truck with playing the country squire, | 0:11:32 | 0:11:36 | |
he's a businessman, a pioneer of Llanelli coal mining | 0:11:36 | 0:11:40 | |
and the trappings of money and power are stamped all over his study. | 0:11:40 | 0:11:44 | |
You must have been blown away when you found that! | 0:11:47 | 0:11:51 | |
Yes, this is pretty wonderful. | 0:11:51 | 0:11:53 | |
It's the panel that belongs above us here. | 0:11:53 | 0:11:57 | |
I can tell that from the green paint. | 0:11:57 | 0:11:59 | |
But even that had been nailed over with a panel of plywood. | 0:11:59 | 0:12:04 | |
Yeah. | 0:12:04 | 0:12:05 | |
And so, when we took it off and realised that this is an original | 0:12:05 | 0:12:09 | |
1714 landscape, seascape painting on the timber of the fire place. | 0:12:09 | 0:12:15 | |
And this was done in situ. | 0:12:15 | 0:12:16 | |
I mean, this isn't a painting that they bought in a gallery or | 0:12:16 | 0:12:18 | |
-whatever or from a artist. -No. | 0:12:18 | 0:12:20 | |
The artist would have gone up a ladder | 0:12:20 | 0:12:21 | |
and actually painted that there. | 0:12:21 | 0:12:23 | |
Yeah, on the bare wood, | 0:12:23 | 0:12:25 | |
you can even see the knots graining through in some places. | 0:12:25 | 0:12:28 | |
-It's a bit like a commercial, isn't it? -Yes. | 0:12:28 | 0:12:31 | |
This picture is the first thing you see as you come into the room. | 0:12:31 | 0:12:34 | |
So, Sir Thomas wants you to understand a lot about him. | 0:12:34 | 0:12:37 | |
He wants you to understand | 0:12:37 | 0:12:39 | |
that he's got a very successful shipping business. | 0:12:39 | 0:12:42 | |
You know, Sir Tom is doing a Sir Alan Sugar, | 0:12:42 | 0:12:46 | |
and that's for sure. | 0:12:46 | 0:12:47 | |
He certainly is, yes. | 0:12:47 | 0:12:49 | |
And everybody who came in here would have known | 0:12:49 | 0:12:52 | |
-they were in the presence of a powerful man. -Yeah. | 0:12:52 | 0:12:55 | |
And behind this powerful, successful man, an even more formidable woman. | 0:13:00 | 0:13:06 | |
Lady Elizabeth is descended from noble Carmarthenshire stock | 0:13:06 | 0:13:10 | |
and considers herself a cut above. | 0:13:10 | 0:13:12 | |
Upstairs, evidence of her softer, | 0:13:14 | 0:13:16 | |
more romantic side is being uncovered beneath layers of paint. | 0:13:16 | 0:13:21 | |
The antechamber to her bedroom is a beautifully intimate painted space. | 0:13:21 | 0:13:27 | |
It's a delicate scheme, in shades of grey but with overdoors | 0:13:27 | 0:13:31 | |
adorned by wondrously soft and subtle mythological figures. | 0:13:31 | 0:13:35 | |
This is just a treasure, this room. | 0:13:36 | 0:13:39 | |
-I love it, love it to death! -It's awesome! | 0:13:39 | 0:13:42 | |
This is setting the scene for what's beyond. For what's beyond, I think. | 0:13:42 | 0:13:45 | |
Cos this is...right, OK. | 0:13:45 | 0:13:47 | |
Now, we're going to have to use the B word, aren't we? | 0:13:47 | 0:13:49 | |
-Yes, definitely. -This is a boudoir. | 0:13:49 | 0:13:51 | |
It is a boudoir. | 0:13:51 | 0:13:53 | |
-In here, she's talking about pleasure. -She's talking about love. | 0:13:53 | 0:13:56 | |
She's talking about Venus. | 0:13:56 | 0:13:58 | |
-Well, Pan is over the door. -Well, exactly. | 0:13:58 | 0:14:01 | |
Perhaps Aphrodite over the other door. | 0:14:01 | 0:14:03 | |
But, I mean, that's instantly saying that it's all getting little | 0:14:03 | 0:14:06 | |
bit more wild, isn't it? | 0:14:06 | 0:14:07 | |
I think it's fascinating | 0:14:07 | 0:14:09 | |
and so illuminating on 18th century society, | 0:14:09 | 0:14:12 | |
that we always had this vision of women being very subjugated | 0:14:12 | 0:14:14 | |
and very much under the thumb of men | 0:14:14 | 0:14:17 | |
but actually they did make spaces for themselves that were | 0:14:17 | 0:14:21 | |
intensely original and had a lot of personality to them. | 0:14:21 | 0:14:24 | |
She has put her desires, her stamp in this space. | 0:14:24 | 0:14:30 | |
But, of course, the really exciting thing, | 0:14:30 | 0:14:32 | |
the thing that is making the hair on our neck stand up is | 0:14:32 | 0:14:35 | |
the fact that there could be something in the middle. | 0:14:35 | 0:14:37 | |
-So much more of it. -There very often is something bang in the middle. | 0:14:37 | 0:14:40 | |
-Yeah. -And that could be just a little, | 0:14:40 | 0:14:42 | |
tiny thing or it could even be a big scene. | 0:14:42 | 0:14:45 | |
Yeah, I mean, we are, fingers crossed, we are | 0:14:45 | 0:14:47 | |
hoping that we have whole panels. | 0:14:47 | 0:14:49 | |
Suddenly, with this, history just got personal. | 0:14:49 | 0:14:53 | |
-Oh, so personal. -We've just met Lady Elizabeth. -So intimate...yeah. | 0:14:53 | 0:14:57 | |
Downstairs, Richard the archaeologist is making more exciting finds. | 0:15:03 | 0:15:09 | |
A poppy motif from an Elizabethan fireplace | 0:15:09 | 0:15:12 | |
and the bric-a-brac of everyday life. | 0:15:12 | 0:15:16 | |
Bottles... | 0:15:16 | 0:15:18 | |
and clay pipes that builders threw away | 0:15:18 | 0:15:20 | |
when the house was remodelled around 1680. | 0:15:20 | 0:15:23 | |
Even oyster shells that they discarded after lunch. | 0:15:23 | 0:15:26 | |
But, most startlingly, something that makes him | 0:15:30 | 0:15:33 | |
rethink the whole history of the house. | 0:15:33 | 0:15:36 | |
It looks like a great rockery to me. | 0:15:37 | 0:15:40 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:15:40 | 0:15:41 | |
I mean, obviously it's a bit of a surprise to lift up | 0:15:41 | 0:15:44 | |
a Georgian floor and find this. What is it? | 0:15:44 | 0:15:48 | |
-I think it's pre-house. We're talking medieval, the cobbling. -Really? | 0:15:48 | 0:15:52 | |
Definitely medieval, the cobbled surface, | 0:15:52 | 0:15:54 | |
but then at some stage, the Tudor house has come into the area... | 0:15:54 | 0:15:57 | |
Built on top of it. | 0:15:57 | 0:15:58 | |
-And then a Jacobean house. There's been constant continuity. -Yeah. | 0:15:58 | 0:16:01 | |
I think it's very possible we do have the remnants of monastic land | 0:16:01 | 0:16:04 | |
with agricultural buildings | 0:16:04 | 0:16:05 | |
and then some of the Crown have had the property, put it out to auction, | 0:16:05 | 0:16:08 | |
local gentry bought it and that's when we get the beginning... | 0:16:08 | 0:16:11 | |
And so they convert it into a manor house. | 0:16:11 | 0:16:14 | |
This is Richard's best guess of how the house looked | 0:16:16 | 0:16:20 | |
when it was a 16th century Tudor manor. | 0:16:20 | 0:16:23 | |
So, Llanelly House wasn't a Georgian new-build on a greenfield site. | 0:16:23 | 0:16:27 | |
It was an ingenious and thrifty reworking of a much older house. | 0:16:27 | 0:16:32 | |
And this is the beauty of Llanelly House really. | 0:16:32 | 0:16:34 | |
We do have this 18th century narrative on the house, | 0:16:34 | 0:16:37 | |
but suddenly, it has a very, very long past. | 0:16:37 | 0:16:40 | |
Yeah, deeper, darker, much more complicated past. | 0:16:40 | 0:16:43 | |
Sophie has her own headaches to contend with. | 0:16:50 | 0:16:54 | |
Her goal is to save as much of the original house as possible, | 0:16:54 | 0:16:58 | |
but some parts are beyond rescue. | 0:16:58 | 0:17:01 | |
So you can see here, all of these... | 0:17:03 | 0:17:07 | |
Look at that. All these fungi growing on this timber, | 0:17:07 | 0:17:12 | |
and it's terribly, terribly rotten. | 0:17:12 | 0:17:14 | |
I mean, it's absolutely sodden, | 0:17:14 | 0:17:17 | |
and it's really not performing anymore. | 0:17:17 | 0:17:20 | |
Hence, it's propped. | 0:17:20 | 0:17:22 | |
This is going to have to be cut out because it's absolutely beyond. | 0:17:24 | 0:17:28 | |
I mean, I can put my fingers right in there. | 0:17:28 | 0:17:31 | |
Oh, look at that. Yeuch! | 0:17:31 | 0:17:34 | |
It's actually quite disgusting. | 0:17:34 | 0:17:36 | |
So, yeah, we have a lot of rot in this project. | 0:17:36 | 0:17:39 | |
The house must be rain-proofed and saved from the top down. | 0:17:46 | 0:17:51 | |
Site manager Neil Griffiths and his team of builders have rescued | 0:17:51 | 0:17:54 | |
the roof from collapse by replacing rotten timbers with steel beams. | 0:17:54 | 0:17:59 | |
Almost every other area is quite precarious. | 0:18:01 | 0:18:04 | |
Well, if you look around, it's rather dangerous to look at. | 0:18:04 | 0:18:08 | |
Yeah, I mean, we're barely safe now. | 0:18:08 | 0:18:10 | |
There's no work on site in this area until we make each bay safe | 0:18:10 | 0:18:14 | |
as we're going along. | 0:18:14 | 0:18:16 | |
So, it's a pretty enormous task. | 0:18:16 | 0:18:19 | |
These stately urns carved from the finest Bath stone | 0:18:23 | 0:18:27 | |
are the final flourish on the house's Classical facade. | 0:18:27 | 0:18:30 | |
But time and the elements have taken their toll and, over the years, | 0:18:34 | 0:18:38 | |
botched concrete repairs have caused them to crack even more. | 0:18:38 | 0:18:43 | |
As you can see, this bit, this sort of wedge, | 0:18:46 | 0:18:49 | |
has literally fallen out before we started the process and so we know | 0:18:49 | 0:18:54 | |
they're in quite a fragile position, but this piece will be saved. | 0:18:54 | 0:18:59 | |
There will be a dowel put into it | 0:18:59 | 0:19:01 | |
and it put back into the urn. | 0:19:01 | 0:19:04 | |
It still fits perfectly. | 0:19:04 | 0:19:07 | |
-It will repair up. -Yes, definitely. | 0:19:07 | 0:19:09 | |
It looks worse than what it is, I think. | 0:19:09 | 0:19:11 | |
The entire project is about holding the old | 0:19:20 | 0:19:24 | |
and the new in a very delicate balance. | 0:19:24 | 0:19:26 | |
It's really not at all straightforward | 0:19:30 | 0:19:32 | |
because everybody involved in this project is teetering on a tightrope | 0:19:32 | 0:19:36 | |
between, on one side, creating a historical restoration | 0:19:36 | 0:19:41 | |
that is going to keep the purists happy. | 0:19:41 | 0:19:44 | |
And then, on the other side, | 0:19:44 | 0:19:45 | |
the generation of a 21st century visitor attraction | 0:19:45 | 0:19:49 | |
that is going to capture the imagination, | 0:19:49 | 0:19:51 | |
that's going to be bringing people into Llanelli. | 0:19:51 | 0:19:54 | |
But also, it's going to be future-proofed. | 0:19:54 | 0:19:57 | |
This area here is very, very interesting to us because... | 0:20:01 | 0:20:05 | |
'Project director Craig's vision | 0:20:05 | 0:20:07 | |
'is to create a hi tech visitor experience. | 0:20:07 | 0:20:10 | |
'He's briefing the branding and creative consultant | 0:20:10 | 0:20:12 | |
'who's been drafted in to make it real.' | 0:20:12 | 0:20:15 | |
-We've got to do something really exciting. -End on a high. | 0:20:16 | 0:20:20 | |
Yeah, end on a high. | 0:20:20 | 0:20:21 | |
When they walk out of this room, they've got to go, "Wow!" | 0:20:21 | 0:20:24 | |
And people have to see that to go, | 0:20:24 | 0:20:27 | |
"What's going on in there. Got to go to that. Must see." | 0:20:27 | 0:20:30 | |
Anyway, let's go through to the next area. | 0:20:30 | 0:20:33 | |
The visitor is at the heart of the experience and they will remain at | 0:20:34 | 0:20:38 | |
the heart of the experience, because, without that, the house falls flat. | 0:20:38 | 0:20:41 | |
You get a beautiful restoration but it falls and it dies. | 0:20:41 | 0:20:45 | |
It's very hard to fault Craig's energy | 0:20:54 | 0:20:56 | |
and the sheer number of ideas he's got bubbling away. | 0:20:56 | 0:20:59 | |
He wants to inspire the people of Llanelli by reminding them | 0:20:59 | 0:21:02 | |
of their history. But I do wonder about the project's focus | 0:21:02 | 0:21:06 | |
and its appeal to the community it's serving. | 0:21:06 | 0:21:09 | |
When you look down this vista, you will see a series of portraits. | 0:21:10 | 0:21:15 | |
Firstly, of the heroes of the house, | 0:21:15 | 0:21:17 | |
the people who really generated this place over the years. | 0:21:17 | 0:21:22 | |
And then, as you go round the building | 0:21:22 | 0:21:24 | |
and through the experience to the other side, | 0:21:24 | 0:21:26 | |
you meet the heroes of the community, | 0:21:26 | 0:21:28 | |
the people that this house spawned over years and years, | 0:21:28 | 0:21:31 | |
who not just remained in Llanelli, | 0:21:31 | 0:21:33 | |
but extended around the world and had a major effect on the world. | 0:21:33 | 0:21:37 | |
The whole experience will finish on you, | 0:21:37 | 0:21:41 | |
as in who you are as well, | 0:21:41 | 0:21:43 | |
and how you fit into the bigger picture. | 0:21:43 | 0:21:45 | |
OK, I'm finally getting a handle on Craig's big idea. | 0:21:49 | 0:21:54 | |
Genealogy. | 0:21:54 | 0:21:56 | |
Hoping to cash in on the vogue for online family history, | 0:21:56 | 0:22:00 | |
and, of course, | 0:22:00 | 0:22:01 | |
the popularity of TV programmes like Who Do You Think You Are? | 0:22:01 | 0:22:05 | |
Craig's dream is to make Llanelly House | 0:22:05 | 0:22:08 | |
the national genealogy centre for Wales. | 0:22:08 | 0:22:10 | |
We had to find something that was unique, | 0:22:12 | 0:22:15 | |
that people could hook into on a national level | 0:22:15 | 0:22:19 | |
and that became genealogy. | 0:22:19 | 0:22:22 | |
There's so many different people working on this from | 0:22:22 | 0:22:25 | |
content developers to graphic designers to interpretation designers | 0:22:25 | 0:22:30 | |
to object managers, and it all brings it all together. | 0:22:30 | 0:22:33 | |
Well, what's more compelling to me | 0:22:37 | 0:22:39 | |
is the genealogy of the house itself, | 0:22:39 | 0:22:42 | |
the tortured history of its muddled facade. | 0:22:42 | 0:22:46 | |
Take a step back before the scaffolding went up. | 0:22:46 | 0:22:49 | |
Look at how the front door has been moved and the two pilasters | 0:22:49 | 0:22:53 | |
have been shunted down to create Victorian shop fronts. | 0:22:53 | 0:22:56 | |
The priority now is to recreate the load-bearing masonry that the | 0:23:05 | 0:23:09 | |
Victorians removed. This wonky window isn't down to subsidence. | 0:23:09 | 0:23:14 | |
There's just hardly any wall holding it up. | 0:23:14 | 0:23:17 | |
For the moment, steel beams | 0:23:17 | 0:23:19 | |
and props are all that is keeping this house on its feet. | 0:23:19 | 0:23:23 | |
Victorians and the Edwardians took out all the masonry | 0:23:23 | 0:23:26 | |
and replaced it with a few... | 0:23:26 | 0:23:29 | |
cast iron columns and a lot of glass. | 0:23:29 | 0:23:31 | |
-I mean, that's where the building REALLY went wrong. -Yeah, absolutely. | 0:23:31 | 0:23:35 | |
You lose the form. | 0:23:35 | 0:23:36 | |
You lose the spaces within | 0:23:36 | 0:23:38 | |
and you are relying on two tiny point loads. | 0:23:38 | 0:23:42 | |
Basically, all of Llanelly House is on stilettos? | 0:23:42 | 0:23:46 | |
-Yeah. -It was, wasn't it? This is a 40-tonne lovely lady, | 0:23:46 | 0:23:50 | |
lovely though she is, | 0:23:50 | 0:23:51 | |
putting her on stilettos is never going to be a good idea. | 0:23:51 | 0:23:54 | |
Yeah, absolutely. | 0:23:54 | 0:23:55 | |
I don't know how there wasn't a sudden collapse. | 0:23:55 | 0:23:58 | |
For more than a century and a half, | 0:24:02 | 0:24:04 | |
these shop fronts have been part of the Llanelli townscape. | 0:24:04 | 0:24:07 | |
Though alien to the original Georgian house, the shops, too, | 0:24:09 | 0:24:12 | |
have a secret history waiting to be revealed. | 0:24:12 | 0:24:15 | |
This panel has, um, | 0:24:16 | 0:24:19 | |
been shown to reveal quite an exciting phase of this building. | 0:24:19 | 0:24:24 | |
So, although it wasn't blocked up, | 0:24:24 | 0:24:26 | |
it obviously hasn't been opened for a very long time until we came along. | 0:24:26 | 0:24:30 | |
These wine and spirit labels are like fossils from a hidden world, frozen in time. | 0:24:36 | 0:24:42 | |
The remnants of Ma Grave's Wine Shop give a tantalising glimpse | 0:24:42 | 0:24:45 | |
of old Llanelli's drinking habits. | 0:24:45 | 0:24:48 | |
"Medoc Bordeaux. | 0:24:52 | 0:24:55 | |
"Shipped and bottled by Margrave Bros, established 1858." | 0:24:55 | 0:25:00 | |
The house's Victorian era is intriguing, | 0:25:07 | 0:25:11 | |
but it's a century earlier, the heyday of the house around 1760, | 0:25:11 | 0:25:15 | |
that really fascinates me. | 0:25:15 | 0:25:16 | |
So I've come to the Carmarthenshire Archives to hunt for more clues | 0:25:18 | 0:25:22 | |
about Sir Thomas and Lady Stepney. | 0:25:22 | 0:25:24 | |
This is the inventory from 1764 you might be interesting in. | 0:25:27 | 0:25:31 | |
Oh, great. Thank you. | 0:25:31 | 0:25:32 | |
This is absolutely fascinating | 0:25:40 | 0:25:41 | |
because it's an inventory of all the stuff that | 0:25:41 | 0:25:46 | |
was in Llanelly House in 1764 and this is really | 0:25:46 | 0:25:50 | |
a list of everything that the Stepneys felt made them as people. | 0:25:50 | 0:25:56 | |
It's all about the very ostentatious things, the very showy things, | 0:25:56 | 0:26:02 | |
but nothing that's got any kind of associations with intellect or culture. | 0:26:02 | 0:26:08 | |
In fact, I'm beginning to suspect | 0:26:08 | 0:26:11 | |
they're a little bit Hyacinth Bucket, | 0:26:11 | 0:26:13 | |
because what he's really focusing on in here... | 0:26:13 | 0:26:17 | |
And this is all in Sir Thomas Stepney's hand himself. | 0:26:17 | 0:26:19 | |
He's not even got his PA to do this. | 0:26:19 | 0:26:21 | |
He's been walking round the house and actually writing it out - | 0:26:21 | 0:26:24 | |
..are the things that are the most important | 0:26:24 | 0:26:26 | |
and the real jewel in the crown, as far as he's concerned, | 0:26:26 | 0:26:29 | |
is the "tea table china with the arms - came to Llanelli in 1762." | 0:26:29 | 0:26:37 | |
You couldn't buy this stuff off the shelf. | 0:26:44 | 0:26:46 | |
Porcelain was a miraculous substance like nothing | 0:26:46 | 0:26:50 | |
made in Europe at the time and fabulously expensive. | 0:26:50 | 0:26:54 | |
Wealthy families sent their coats of arms to China | 0:26:54 | 0:26:56 | |
and waited two years for the porcelain to be shipped back. | 0:26:56 | 0:26:59 | |
And, of course, this is really, really important to him. | 0:27:00 | 0:27:03 | |
Every single little coffee cup | 0:27:03 | 0:27:06 | |
will have had a really very, very high value to it. | 0:27:06 | 0:27:10 | |
This would have been in-your-face real showing off stuff | 0:27:10 | 0:27:15 | |
the minute you walked into the room. | 0:27:15 | 0:27:17 | |
The Stepneys' armorial dinner service had more than 360 pieces. | 0:27:20 | 0:27:25 | |
Around a third has been tracked down to a collector in Washington DC | 0:27:25 | 0:27:28 | |
and brought back to Wales at a cost of nearly | 0:27:28 | 0:27:30 | |
a quarter of a million pounds. | 0:27:30 | 0:27:32 | |
I've come to Somerset to meet the period design team recreating | 0:27:47 | 0:27:50 | |
some of Llanelly House's interiors. | 0:27:50 | 0:27:52 | |
And this is the model they're using for Lady Stepney's bed. | 0:27:57 | 0:28:00 | |
Small, because in the mid-18th century, | 0:28:00 | 0:28:03 | |
gentry couples usually slept apart. | 0:28:03 | 0:28:06 | |
Back then, the simple mahogany frame would have cost around £10 | 0:28:06 | 0:28:10 | |
but the fabrics, these very plush drapes, | 0:28:10 | 0:28:13 | |
valances and cornices, would be nearer 200. | 0:28:13 | 0:28:16 | |
The point of the bedroom was to show off the material, wasn't it? | 0:28:20 | 0:28:23 | |
-The material was THE most expensive thing in the room. -It was, yeah. | 0:28:23 | 0:28:27 | |
-It's almost a link with fashion. -Yeah. | 0:28:27 | 0:28:29 | |
You've got these very, very beautiful materials | 0:28:29 | 0:28:32 | |
that she would have been wearing, I'm sure. | 0:28:32 | 0:28:34 | |
-Yeah. -And so this is it? -Yes. | 0:28:34 | 0:28:37 | |
The linings will all be in gold taffeta, that's this one, | 0:28:37 | 0:28:40 | |
to contrast and to show off the beautiful red damask on the face, | 0:28:40 | 0:28:46 | |
-which will make it look splendid. -Yeah. | 0:28:46 | 0:28:49 | |
Becky, you've got really under the skin of Lady Stepney, | 0:28:49 | 0:28:51 | |
-doing this, haven't you? -It's been fascinating. -Is she possessing you? | 0:28:51 | 0:28:55 | |
-Do you need help? -Almost, almost. | 0:28:55 | 0:28:58 | |
Yes, she would have been an incredibly fashionable lady | 0:28:58 | 0:29:01 | |
for her time in that particular area of Wales. | 0:29:01 | 0:29:04 | |
We know that the Stepneys had a property in Spitalfields in London. | 0:29:04 | 0:29:08 | |
We know that she enjoyed going to Bath | 0:29:08 | 0:29:10 | |
to take the waters for her health. | 0:29:10 | 0:29:13 | |
Two of the most important cities in Britain at the time. | 0:29:13 | 0:29:16 | |
And she would have brought back from there all the ideas | 0:29:16 | 0:29:19 | |
that were happening at the time. | 0:29:19 | 0:29:21 | |
She would have brought them back to Llanelli and would have been | 0:29:21 | 0:29:24 | |
one of the first women in that area to have the amazing luxuries. | 0:29:24 | 0:29:30 | |
So we know, yes, she was the leader of the pack. | 0:29:30 | 0:29:33 | |
-Gosh, leader of the social set. -Yes, that's right. | 0:29:33 | 0:29:36 | |
I'm obsessed by the boudoir. | 0:29:36 | 0:29:38 | |
I think the boudoir is such a wonderful survival. | 0:29:38 | 0:29:41 | |
Almost certainly somewhere where she got dressed | 0:29:41 | 0:29:44 | |
and possibly performed other intimate functions. | 0:29:44 | 0:29:46 | |
Absolutely, yes. | 0:29:46 | 0:29:48 | |
In order to cater for those things, | 0:29:48 | 0:29:50 | |
we've bought this commode which has to be restored. | 0:29:50 | 0:29:53 | |
It's being restored at the moment. It's got a pewter bowl inside it | 0:29:53 | 0:29:57 | |
and it needs to have some upholstery around it to make a... | 0:29:57 | 0:30:00 | |
-That's a frightening thought! -..a padded seat. | 0:30:00 | 0:30:02 | |
But, I mean, these were grisly items, really, | 0:30:02 | 0:30:04 | |
when you think about it, because pity the pure servant | 0:30:04 | 0:30:07 | |
that, you know, had to do something about that. | 0:30:07 | 0:30:09 | |
-It is literally just a... -Yeah, yeah, but what if...? | 0:30:09 | 0:30:12 | |
I mean, if you didn't have that, what would you do? | 0:30:12 | 0:30:15 | |
-There's always the window. -Exactly! | 0:30:15 | 0:30:16 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:30:16 | 0:30:18 | |
The traditional building arts on show at Llanelly House now | 0:30:27 | 0:30:31 | |
are no less refined than the 18th-century artefacts | 0:30:31 | 0:30:33 | |
that once graced its rooms. | 0:30:33 | 0:30:37 | |
It sounds like he's giving the roof | 0:30:37 | 0:30:39 | |
a very vigorous Scandinavian massage. | 0:30:39 | 0:30:41 | |
-What is he doing there? -The lead is a Code 6 lead. -Yeah. | 0:30:41 | 0:30:45 | |
And it takes a lot of work to beat it and dress it down. | 0:30:45 | 0:30:48 | |
You've got to do it in small stages, | 0:30:48 | 0:30:50 | |
then go back on yourself half a dozen, a dozen times. | 0:30:50 | 0:30:52 | |
But I would imagine... There's nothing complicated about that. | 0:30:52 | 0:30:55 | |
I would imagine that's exactly how the original roof was done. | 0:30:55 | 0:30:58 | |
That is the original work and it is the only way you could do it. | 0:30:58 | 0:31:01 | |
There is no modern machinery you can do it with. | 0:31:01 | 0:31:03 | |
That's something that really strikes me about the site. | 0:31:03 | 0:31:05 | |
There's so little machinery | 0:31:05 | 0:31:07 | |
because everything has to be done specifically and specially by hand. | 0:31:07 | 0:31:10 | |
Most of the timber, it was all hand carved. | 0:31:10 | 0:31:12 | |
Any of the carving has got to be hand done. | 0:31:12 | 0:31:14 | |
The machinery isn't out there, really, to do it. | 0:31:14 | 0:31:17 | |
-But you quite like that, don't you? -It's a challenge. | 0:31:17 | 0:31:19 | |
Yeah, I think this roof is such a... | 0:31:19 | 0:31:22 | |
such a good example of the madness of Llanelly House. | 0:31:22 | 0:31:26 | |
There is some guy that's been asked to build an Italian, you know, | 0:31:26 | 0:31:29 | |
very gracious, very classical-looking building | 0:31:29 | 0:31:33 | |
with a flat roof and yet | 0:31:33 | 0:31:34 | |
it's in one of the wettest parts of northern Europe. | 0:31:34 | 0:31:36 | |
So they are trying to think of ways of keeping it drained | 0:31:36 | 0:31:39 | |
and so they do this, they actually turn it into | 0:31:39 | 0:31:42 | |
the opening sequence of Coronation Street. | 0:31:42 | 0:31:44 | |
But whilst there is progress on the roof, factors like rot, | 0:31:52 | 0:31:56 | |
archaeological finds and unforeseen structural problems | 0:31:56 | 0:32:00 | |
have slowed work down. | 0:32:00 | 0:32:03 | |
The house was due to open to the public in December 2012. | 0:32:03 | 0:32:06 | |
Now the timetable has slipped by at least three months. | 0:32:06 | 0:32:11 | |
I'd go for 31st March. | 0:32:11 | 0:32:13 | |
We will be near or as close to that as we can possibly get. | 0:32:13 | 0:32:16 | |
And the contractors know that? | 0:32:16 | 0:32:18 | |
The contractors definitely know that. | 0:32:18 | 0:32:19 | |
What do they say? Do they just go, "Mmmm," | 0:32:19 | 0:32:21 | |
or do they go, "Yes, sir, of course, sir!" | 0:32:21 | 0:32:23 | |
No. They... We are all answerable in different ways. | 0:32:23 | 0:32:27 | |
It would be detrimental to the project | 0:32:27 | 0:32:30 | |
if it carries on and on and on. | 0:32:30 | 0:32:32 | |
You are dealing with public money | 0:32:32 | 0:32:34 | |
and I've got to keep that on track and I have to account for that | 0:32:34 | 0:32:38 | |
and if we are going to be late, there has to be... | 0:32:38 | 0:32:41 | |
We have to be answerable for that, so we have to finish on time | 0:32:41 | 0:32:45 | |
and to budget, mainly to budget. | 0:32:45 | 0:32:47 | |
And that is going to be the biggest issue. | 0:32:47 | 0:32:49 | |
Yes, of course delays are bound to happen | 0:32:49 | 0:32:52 | |
on big and complicated projects, | 0:32:52 | 0:32:55 | |
but the contractor's worried too | 0:32:55 | 0:32:57 | |
that Craig and his team are rather slow to make key decisions. | 0:32:57 | 0:33:01 | |
Nothing seems to be moving fast enough. | 0:33:01 | 0:33:03 | |
It's very frustrating when you go into somewhere | 0:33:03 | 0:33:05 | |
with all these unforeseens and you can't get answers quick enough, | 0:33:05 | 0:33:08 | |
which has a knock-on effect for the other trades | 0:33:08 | 0:33:11 | |
and for the works to carry on, and you do tend to do a lot of screaming | 0:33:11 | 0:33:14 | |
and shouting then and trying to explain to people | 0:33:14 | 0:33:16 | |
why you need this decision urgently. | 0:33:16 | 0:33:19 | |
You are the one that's got to carry the can on this. | 0:33:19 | 0:33:21 | |
-It is a lot of pressure involved, yes. -Do you... | 0:33:21 | 0:33:24 | |
-I mean, do you ever get a bit grumpy? -Very, very often. | 0:33:24 | 0:33:28 | |
Miles away, in the peace of the Carmarthenshire hills, | 0:33:37 | 0:33:40 | |
stonemason Ollie Coe is making progress. | 0:33:40 | 0:33:43 | |
He's hard at work on the puzzle of the urns, | 0:33:44 | 0:33:47 | |
piecing cracked fragments of Bath stone back together. | 0:33:47 | 0:33:51 | |
And, where concrete and water damage have dealt a mortal blow, | 0:33:51 | 0:33:55 | |
he is carving new sections from scratch. | 0:33:55 | 0:33:57 | |
I'm confident they'll look terrific at the end of the day and... | 0:33:59 | 0:34:03 | |
I'm really looking forward to seeing them | 0:34:03 | 0:34:05 | |
with their full front scaffolding removed | 0:34:05 | 0:34:08 | |
and they should look like the cherry on the cake. | 0:34:08 | 0:34:11 | |
At the house, too, craftsmen are hard at work. | 0:34:33 | 0:34:36 | |
They have turned one room into a joinery workshop | 0:34:36 | 0:34:38 | |
to get a move on with the wooden panels | 0:34:38 | 0:34:40 | |
that will line most of the rooms. | 0:34:40 | 0:34:42 | |
Out go modern materials like concrete | 0:34:46 | 0:34:48 | |
and in comes lime render to give the house a living, breathing skin. | 0:34:48 | 0:34:53 | |
And this is how to get the posh look on a budget. | 0:34:56 | 0:34:59 | |
The technique they are using is called ashlar work. | 0:34:59 | 0:35:02 | |
It looks like cheating, | 0:35:02 | 0:35:04 | |
but this is exactly how they did it in the 18th century. | 0:35:04 | 0:35:07 | |
This is a bit like an 18th-century stone cladding. | 0:35:09 | 0:35:13 | |
It's really keeping-up-with-the-Joneses stuff. | 0:35:13 | 0:35:16 | |
The scorelines are done just hours after the float coat is put on. | 0:35:16 | 0:35:22 | |
They have to get the marks in before it's completely gone off, | 0:35:22 | 0:35:26 | |
but not straightaway when it is too soft, | 0:35:26 | 0:35:29 | |
so it's this fine line between... | 0:35:29 | 0:35:31 | |
Well, it's perfection. The craftsmanship is fantastic. | 0:35:31 | 0:35:36 | |
You see the building come back alive again. | 0:35:38 | 0:35:41 | |
It's spectacular. | 0:35:41 | 0:35:43 | |
The house is owned and run | 0:35:54 | 0:35:56 | |
by the Carmarthenshire Heritage Regeneration Trust. | 0:35:56 | 0:36:00 | |
The chief executive is Claire Deacon and she and her trustees | 0:36:00 | 0:36:04 | |
are guardians of the project's funding, | 0:36:04 | 0:36:06 | |
so this is where the buck stops. | 0:36:06 | 0:36:08 | |
Having got her hands on the Stepney's armorial china service, | 0:36:11 | 0:36:14 | |
top of her wish list now | 0:36:14 | 0:36:15 | |
is a portrait of the eighth Baronet, Sir John Stepney | 0:36:15 | 0:36:19 | |
by a superstar of 18th-century painting, Sir Joshua Reynolds. | 0:36:19 | 0:36:24 | |
Horrible question, I know, but how much is it? | 0:36:25 | 0:36:28 | |
Well, you know I'd rather not say! LAUGHTER | 0:36:28 | 0:36:31 | |
-Mime it, no-one will know. -What I will say is | 0:36:31 | 0:36:34 | |
we've aimed to raise £50,000 for its purchase, | 0:36:34 | 0:36:37 | |
but we're also trying to raise another £50,000 | 0:36:37 | 0:36:40 | |
to undertake activities for children to explore their own identity | 0:36:40 | 0:36:45 | |
and sense of understanding and confidence, which will be | 0:36:45 | 0:36:47 | |
centred around the understanding of the Stepney portrait. | 0:36:47 | 0:36:50 | |
I think the key thing that I want Llanelly House to bring | 0:36:50 | 0:36:53 | |
to Llanelli is just a sense of vibrancy and activity and busyness. | 0:36:53 | 0:36:57 | |
I want people to come in the front door and to be... | 0:36:57 | 0:37:00 | |
You know, have a sense of awe of, | 0:37:00 | 0:37:02 | |
"I didn't realise it was quite this historic." | 0:37:02 | 0:37:05 | |
But, in many ways, you got the toughest job because here we are, | 0:37:05 | 0:37:09 | |
we are in this wonderfully exciting, creative, buzzy building site, | 0:37:09 | 0:37:13 | |
but you've got to actually make it work, to make it viable. | 0:37:13 | 0:37:16 | |
Is that a life-shortening expedience? | 0:37:16 | 0:37:18 | |
Well, it certainly keeps me awake at four o'clock in the morning | 0:37:18 | 0:37:21 | |
and I don't want to be doing that for the next year! | 0:37:21 | 0:37:23 | |
OK, now, the good news is there is | 0:37:31 | 0:37:33 | |
a little bit of Llanelly House that's actually finished, | 0:37:33 | 0:37:35 | |
but, perversely, it is a bit the public will never see - the roof. | 0:37:35 | 0:37:41 | |
Although, of course, without the roof being watertight, | 0:37:41 | 0:37:43 | |
nothing else can happen in the rest of the house. | 0:37:43 | 0:37:47 | |
Downstairs, some jobs are getting done, but, gosh, it's slow going. | 0:37:52 | 0:37:56 | |
When I was here last, the project was already three months late. | 0:37:56 | 0:38:00 | |
Back then, project director Craig was aiming to open on March 31st. | 0:38:00 | 0:38:04 | |
Now the timetable has slipped again to a summer opening. | 0:38:04 | 0:38:10 | |
It's better to be in summer than it is in winter for something like this | 0:38:10 | 0:38:14 | |
because it would have less of an impact | 0:38:14 | 0:38:17 | |
if it was opened in midwinter, for instance. | 0:38:17 | 0:38:20 | |
Not too many people want to | 0:38:20 | 0:38:21 | |
come to major visitor attractions at that time. | 0:38:21 | 0:38:24 | |
The contractors are feeling the heat. | 0:38:29 | 0:38:31 | |
Site manager Neal and his team are keen to get the job finished, | 0:38:31 | 0:38:34 | |
but they are having to accommodate their client's changing plans. | 0:38:34 | 0:38:39 | |
Save us machining it? | 0:38:39 | 0:38:43 | |
They might as well machine it to size. | 0:38:43 | 0:38:45 | |
Craig is determined to future-proof the house, | 0:38:47 | 0:38:51 | |
hence the jumble of cables, but details of his hi tech vision, | 0:38:51 | 0:38:55 | |
including the costs, have yet to be finalised. | 0:38:55 | 0:38:58 | |
And until the builders know where all these wires need to go, | 0:38:58 | 0:39:02 | |
they can't get on with other parts of the job. | 0:39:02 | 0:39:05 | |
We can't carry 20 carpenters when there is only work for five or six. | 0:39:05 | 0:39:09 | |
So we know we've got work for 20, | 0:39:09 | 0:39:14 | |
but until we can actually get into certain areas and do certain things, | 0:39:14 | 0:39:18 | |
then obviously we cannot accommodate them. | 0:39:18 | 0:39:20 | |
One area that has been rather neglected is the stairwell. | 0:39:27 | 0:39:31 | |
It should be the centrepiece of the house, but it's occupied now | 0:39:31 | 0:39:34 | |
by a mean, poky staircase inserted by the Edwardians. | 0:39:34 | 0:39:38 | |
The original oak stairs led to a grandiose sash window | 0:39:38 | 0:39:43 | |
with a classical balcony thrown in as a final flourish. | 0:39:43 | 0:39:46 | |
Get a prop under it, Neal. | 0:39:48 | 0:39:51 | |
You need to get a couple of props on the short ones now | 0:39:51 | 0:39:54 | |
so you can rest it down gently. | 0:39:54 | 0:39:56 | |
At last, it's time to throw out the impostor staircase. | 0:39:57 | 0:40:01 | |
It's been a long time coming. When this is out, I'll feel a lot better. | 0:40:03 | 0:40:08 | |
It's progress, but they are still way behind schedule. | 0:40:09 | 0:40:13 | |
The more days you lose, obviously, | 0:40:13 | 0:40:15 | |
it just pushes the target a bit further away. | 0:40:15 | 0:40:19 | |
I'll be very disappointed if we miss our target. | 0:40:19 | 0:40:22 | |
I'll be extremely disappointed from a personal point of view, | 0:40:22 | 0:40:26 | |
let alone the company | 0:40:26 | 0:40:28 | |
because myself and Neal, we take pride in getting the job done | 0:40:28 | 0:40:33 | |
on time and that's what we intend doing. | 0:40:33 | 0:40:37 | |
So, it's out with the botched "improvements" | 0:40:43 | 0:40:46 | |
that are the bane of Llanelly House. | 0:40:46 | 0:40:48 | |
Nothing embodies the house's classical splendour | 0:40:53 | 0:40:57 | |
more than the urns now being restored to its parapets - | 0:40:57 | 0:41:00 | |
the glories of Greece and Rome conjured up | 0:41:00 | 0:41:03 | |
on the Llanelli skyline. | 0:41:03 | 0:41:05 | |
Well, they are delicate really. Handling is always a bit of an issue. | 0:41:08 | 0:41:11 | |
What we don't want to do is damage them at this stage, | 0:41:11 | 0:41:13 | |
having repaired them. | 0:41:13 | 0:41:14 | |
We are lifting them over the top of the stainless steel rods | 0:41:14 | 0:41:18 | |
and bedding them on a lime mortar. | 0:41:18 | 0:41:20 | |
I hope that they won't need to be looked at for many years to come. | 0:41:22 | 0:41:24 | |
So, what look are they going for for inside Llanelly House? | 0:41:29 | 0:41:34 | |
15 miles west down the coast, there are some intriguing hints. | 0:41:34 | 0:41:38 | |
This is the Great House at Laugharne. | 0:41:39 | 0:41:41 | |
It is a very close architectural blood relation of Llanelly House, | 0:41:41 | 0:41:45 | |
whether it's a kid brother | 0:41:45 | 0:41:47 | |
or whether it's son-of, we're not entirely sure, | 0:41:47 | 0:41:49 | |
but what is important is that wherever you look, | 0:41:49 | 0:41:53 | |
there are visual clues that can help | 0:41:53 | 0:41:56 | |
with the missing bits of the Llanelly House jigsaw. | 0:41:56 | 0:41:59 | |
I'm feeling a bit like a time-traveller. | 0:42:04 | 0:42:07 | |
I'm feeling a bit as if we have moved forward in time | 0:42:07 | 0:42:10 | |
sufficiently to see Llanelly House finished, | 0:42:10 | 0:42:13 | |
cos I'm imagining that this is the sort of effect | 0:42:13 | 0:42:17 | |
-we're going for in some of the rooms. -Yeah, absolutely. | 0:42:17 | 0:42:20 | |
It's got the Georgian atmosphere. | 0:42:20 | 0:42:23 | |
Not just the kit of parts, but that sort of feeling | 0:42:23 | 0:42:27 | |
that you are in the minimalist Georgian dream world and, internally, | 0:42:27 | 0:42:31 | |
very regular, very flat, masculine. | 0:42:31 | 0:42:36 | |
It's almost like early minimalism. | 0:42:36 | 0:42:38 | |
The Great House at Laugharne | 0:42:42 | 0:42:43 | |
lacks the self-importance of Llanelly House. | 0:42:43 | 0:42:46 | |
There are no urns here, | 0:42:46 | 0:42:48 | |
but those pilasters framing the front door | 0:42:48 | 0:42:50 | |
and the carved wooden cornice above share the same design DNA. | 0:42:50 | 0:42:55 | |
What are the things that, as far as you are concerned, | 0:42:57 | 0:43:00 | |
make this building the same hand as Llanelly House? | 0:43:00 | 0:43:06 | |
Looking at it, you can see the genetic footprint everywhere, | 0:43:06 | 0:43:08 | |
so if you take these archways, the keystones over the top | 0:43:08 | 0:43:13 | |
are absolutely the same as some of the archways | 0:43:13 | 0:43:16 | |
that we have at Llanelly House. | 0:43:16 | 0:43:18 | |
And really, you can't fake that. | 0:43:18 | 0:43:20 | |
As far as you are concerned, as the Miss Marple of Georgian architecture, | 0:43:20 | 0:43:23 | |
these are, you know, this is handwriting. | 0:43:23 | 0:43:26 | |
These are brushstrokes on a painting or... | 0:43:26 | 0:43:28 | |
You know, these are fingerprints | 0:43:28 | 0:43:30 | |
-and we have a date with this place, which is...? -1715. | 0:43:30 | 0:43:34 | |
-And Llanelly House is...? -Is 1714. | 0:43:34 | 0:43:37 | |
The kit of parts is definitely here for us. | 0:43:37 | 0:43:40 | |
The pilasters and the balusters and newel posts | 0:43:40 | 0:43:43 | |
and so on and so forth, we're able to take and absolutely replicate. | 0:43:43 | 0:43:48 | |
At last, the Llanelly House scaffolding is coming down | 0:43:54 | 0:43:57 | |
to reveal a Georgian facade that looks good enough to eat. | 0:43:57 | 0:44:01 | |
Inside, in Lady Stepney's boudoir, | 0:44:10 | 0:44:13 | |
another striptease is nearing its final act. | 0:44:13 | 0:44:16 | |
16 coats of paint have been removed, | 0:44:18 | 0:44:20 | |
the final layer painstakingly scraped away with a scalpel. | 0:44:20 | 0:44:24 | |
They have found four distinct colour schemes, but no sign of what | 0:44:25 | 0:44:29 | |
I'd been so badly hoping to see - large lavishly decorated panels. | 0:44:29 | 0:44:33 | |
I'm quite surprised by what you have uncovered. | 0:44:35 | 0:44:38 | |
When... With that little bit that you found before, | 0:44:38 | 0:44:41 | |
we were all a bit excited by that, but... | 0:44:41 | 0:44:44 | |
But the big thing for me, | 0:44:44 | 0:44:45 | |
and I think for you, is that there's nothing in the middle of the panel. | 0:44:45 | 0:44:49 | |
We were all assuming they would be a frame | 0:44:49 | 0:44:51 | |
and then there'd be a scene or a motif or something in the middle. | 0:44:51 | 0:44:54 | |
Particularly based on the fact of the stuff over the doors and so on. | 0:44:54 | 0:44:57 | |
I mean, it is a very simple, simple design. | 0:44:57 | 0:45:00 | |
But what we've actually uncovered here - | 0:45:00 | 0:45:02 | |
the corners here, I think, | 0:45:02 | 0:45:05 | |
look pretty rubbish. | 0:45:05 | 0:45:07 | |
Do you know what I mean? | 0:45:07 | 0:45:09 | |
-Compared to that. -Compared to the over doors. | 0:45:09 | 0:45:11 | |
Those over doors are so soft and romantic and beautiful, | 0:45:11 | 0:45:17 | |
but unbelievably sophisticated. | 0:45:17 | 0:45:20 | |
These are very spiky. | 0:45:20 | 0:45:23 | |
I think, looking at it and only cos I used to do that kind of thing, | 0:45:23 | 0:45:27 | |
I think it's based on stencil. | 0:45:27 | 0:45:28 | |
I think there's a stencil been used for the basic outline | 0:45:28 | 0:45:32 | |
and then the highlight and the shadow have been put in by hand, | 0:45:32 | 0:45:37 | |
freehand, but with none of the beautiful gradation of tone | 0:45:37 | 0:45:43 | |
that you get with the over doors. | 0:45:43 | 0:45:45 | |
Those panels are due to be cleaned as part of this whole process. | 0:45:45 | 0:45:48 | |
Is it too late to cover them back up? | 0:45:48 | 0:45:50 | |
Talk to my assistants about that. After six weeks scraping away. | 0:45:53 | 0:45:57 | |
You know, I've got some really nice wallpaper you could put up. | 0:45:57 | 0:46:00 | |
The speed of the build has picked up, but not enough. | 0:46:08 | 0:46:11 | |
Craig's plans for the visitor experience are, | 0:46:11 | 0:46:13 | |
to a large extent, dictating the pace. | 0:46:13 | 0:46:17 | |
His proposed national genealogy centre for Wales will have | 0:46:17 | 0:46:21 | |
at its centrepiece an interactive globe, mapping family histories. | 0:46:21 | 0:46:26 | |
Visitors would leave biometric fingerprints. | 0:46:26 | 0:46:29 | |
There are even plans for a DNA testing station. | 0:46:29 | 0:46:31 | |
Craig is pressing ahead with the Time Lapse Room - | 0:46:34 | 0:46:36 | |
a 360 degree immersive audiovisual experience. | 0:46:36 | 0:46:42 | |
You hear a... HE COUGHS | 0:46:42 | 0:46:44 | |
"Well, actually, I'm going to tell you about Llanelly House." | 0:46:44 | 0:46:47 | |
It's one of the portraits starts to talk and takes over the sequence. | 0:46:47 | 0:46:51 | |
The lights go down and the sun and moon start shooting past | 0:46:51 | 0:46:55 | |
backwards and forwards as if you start to run back in time. | 0:46:55 | 0:46:58 | |
It means paying for actors and green-screen filming. | 0:47:00 | 0:47:04 | |
Well, with all this CGI and digital trickery, | 0:47:04 | 0:47:07 | |
I worry he's got a touch of the Steven Spielbergs. | 0:47:07 | 0:47:09 | |
Well, back on terra firma, Sophie has found a craftsman to make | 0:47:14 | 0:47:18 | |
the stairs she's been planning and drawing for years. | 0:47:18 | 0:47:20 | |
This staircase is going to be the centrepiece of this building. | 0:47:22 | 0:47:26 | |
The staircase carving just gives it that wow factor, doesn't it? | 0:47:26 | 0:47:30 | |
The stairs are being crafted in Haverfordwest from solid oak. | 0:47:37 | 0:47:42 | |
These are the timbers for the newels. | 0:47:42 | 0:47:44 | |
We can see where the turnings are going to be, | 0:47:44 | 0:47:48 | |
and try to match it to the grain as best as possible. | 0:47:48 | 0:47:50 | |
No more castles in the air. | 0:47:52 | 0:47:54 | |
It's a joy to see Sophie's ideas made real. | 0:47:54 | 0:47:56 | |
It's April 2013. My first time back in a while. | 0:48:13 | 0:48:17 | |
Well, I can honestly say that this is the first time I've come here | 0:48:17 | 0:48:20 | |
and stood here and felt that there might be a bit of Georgian light | 0:48:20 | 0:48:23 | |
at the end of the Georgian tunnel. | 0:48:23 | 0:48:25 | |
That is looking quite credible. | 0:48:25 | 0:48:28 | |
In fact, that is looking incredible. | 0:48:28 | 0:48:31 | |
But what's the inside like? | 0:48:31 | 0:48:34 | |
This is the bit where I'm supposed to talk about | 0:48:55 | 0:48:59 | |
how finished everything's looking. | 0:48:59 | 0:49:01 | |
About how it's, you know, less than six months until it opens | 0:49:01 | 0:49:05 | |
and isn't it all very exciting? | 0:49:05 | 0:49:07 | |
But it really doesn't look very finished at all. | 0:49:07 | 0:49:10 | |
There are bits upstairs that, | 0:49:11 | 0:49:13 | |
I suppose they give you a bit of a lift | 0:49:13 | 0:49:16 | |
because there's a radiator or there's some paint on the panelling | 0:49:16 | 0:49:19 | |
and there's maybe even a socket or two if you're really lucky. | 0:49:19 | 0:49:22 | |
What shocks me at the moment | 0:49:22 | 0:49:25 | |
is that not only is the building not terribly complete, | 0:49:25 | 0:49:30 | |
it's just the amount of cables. | 0:49:30 | 0:49:32 | |
The amount of dangling cables everywhere, | 0:49:32 | 0:49:35 | |
because it's obvious that so much of the resources, | 0:49:35 | 0:49:40 | |
so much of the time is going into the attractions. | 0:49:40 | 0:49:44 | |
It's going into the digital displays. | 0:49:44 | 0:49:46 | |
It's going into the sort of... | 0:49:46 | 0:49:48 | |
The faith in the technology is overwhelming. | 0:49:48 | 0:49:52 | |
I'm just a bit worried that it's overwhelming | 0:49:52 | 0:49:56 | |
the fundamental beauty of just finishing, restoring | 0:49:56 | 0:50:00 | |
and bringing this beautiful building back to life. | 0:50:00 | 0:50:03 | |
The big news is that project director Craig has left. | 0:50:10 | 0:50:14 | |
Now he's providing only very occasional consultancy. | 0:50:14 | 0:50:17 | |
And they're running out of money. | 0:50:17 | 0:50:19 | |
They've had to get an interest-free loan | 0:50:19 | 0:50:21 | |
of a quarter of a million pounds from the county council. | 0:50:21 | 0:50:24 | |
They've asked the Heritage Lottery Fund for an extra | 0:50:26 | 0:50:28 | |
660,000 on top of the 3.4 million they've already given, | 0:50:28 | 0:50:33 | |
but this has just been refused. | 0:50:33 | 0:50:37 | |
Are you running out of money in certain areas which means | 0:50:37 | 0:50:40 | |
that you actually have to raise funds to pay for things? | 0:50:40 | 0:50:43 | |
It does mean that our budget is starting to be used up, yeah. | 0:50:43 | 0:50:46 | |
Then you have to ask them for more funds as well. | 0:50:46 | 0:50:49 | |
-How does that...? That can't feel good. -It's not great. | 0:50:49 | 0:50:53 | |
It's very difficult. It is very difficult. | 0:50:54 | 0:50:57 | |
It was a big all-singing, all-dancing | 0:50:57 | 0:50:59 | |
proposal originally, wasn't it? | 0:50:59 | 0:51:01 | |
Craig had a vision of something that was very techno heavy. | 0:51:01 | 0:51:04 | |
Have you had to get to a stage with all of this where you have | 0:51:04 | 0:51:07 | |
had to choose what the star of the show is | 0:51:07 | 0:51:10 | |
between the house and between what the house can offer? | 0:51:10 | 0:51:15 | |
I think the star of the show has to be the house. | 0:51:16 | 0:51:19 | |
I mean the house is what's special. | 0:51:19 | 0:51:21 | |
Without the house, none of this would be... | 0:51:21 | 0:51:23 | |
Are you having to do that on a daily basis with the budget? | 0:51:23 | 0:51:25 | |
Are you having to think about actually suddenly having | 0:51:25 | 0:51:28 | |
some of the bells and whistles for some of the digital things | 0:51:28 | 0:51:31 | |
less important than actually just making sure that the house | 0:51:31 | 0:51:34 | |
-is ready and open. -Absolutely. | 0:51:34 | 0:51:36 | |
I think that one of the joys of what we're doing is | 0:51:36 | 0:51:39 | |
the tour around the house will be a guided tour. | 0:51:39 | 0:51:42 | |
-You'll have a guide that will take you round. -Back to basics. | 0:51:42 | 0:51:44 | |
-Back to basics. -Using a human being. | 0:51:44 | 0:51:47 | |
-How unusual. -Oh, my goodness me. | 0:51:47 | 0:51:49 | |
This has always been your vision. | 0:51:58 | 0:52:01 | |
Are you disappointed that your vision has been compromised? | 0:52:01 | 0:52:05 | |
-No, it's a project. It's not my vision. -No, but your... | 0:52:05 | 0:52:10 | |
Your big idea, this idea of somewhere that is very interactive, | 0:52:10 | 0:52:13 | |
that's very digital, that's very contemporary in its technology. | 0:52:13 | 0:52:17 | |
A lot of that is not now going to happen, is it? | 0:52:17 | 0:52:19 | |
Yes, it's one area that's been compromised. | 0:52:19 | 0:52:22 | |
The area that we're keeping down for a second marketing push will be | 0:52:22 | 0:52:28 | |
the genealogy aspect of it. | 0:52:28 | 0:52:30 | |
I wouldn't want to put that in straight away at this level. | 0:52:30 | 0:52:33 | |
But that was the jewel in your crown, wasn't it? | 0:52:33 | 0:52:35 | |
A year ago, that was going to be the thing that really made | 0:52:35 | 0:52:40 | |
-Llanelly House different. -I agree. | 0:52:40 | 0:52:41 | |
-That's not going to happen. -That will happen. | 0:52:41 | 0:52:43 | |
It won't happen at this moment in time. | 0:52:43 | 0:52:45 | |
You will have a project that has come together that the people will enjoy. | 0:52:45 | 0:52:50 | |
For how long that is, who knows? | 0:52:50 | 0:52:52 | |
How it morphs over the next few years, who knows? | 0:52:52 | 0:52:55 | |
But we've given something back to the nation that is an important piece, | 0:52:55 | 0:52:59 | |
which is the main structure, and looked at the history of the house. | 0:52:59 | 0:53:03 | |
How they carry that on as a business, as a sustainable business, | 0:53:03 | 0:53:07 | |
is now passed over to a trust. | 0:53:07 | 0:53:09 | |
-That's what... -You're getting in your Jag and driving away very quickly. | 0:53:09 | 0:53:13 | |
-I'm off to... -Whomph! I like that. | 0:53:13 | 0:53:15 | |
At least the house is coming together. | 0:53:28 | 0:53:30 | |
Its real wow factor, | 0:53:30 | 0:53:31 | |
the great Georgian staircase is finally sliding into place. | 0:53:31 | 0:53:36 | |
On. | 0:53:43 | 0:53:44 | |
We've been waiting for a very long time for this moment. | 0:53:49 | 0:53:53 | |
I'm absolutely overjoyed, cos you can see that it's the real thing. | 0:53:53 | 0:53:57 | |
It's been an absolute labour of love. | 0:53:57 | 0:54:00 | |
It's a magical day to see it actually come together. | 0:54:00 | 0:54:03 | |
It might seem a shame to stain that lovely oak, | 0:54:12 | 0:54:15 | |
but that's just how the Georgians liked it. | 0:54:15 | 0:54:18 | |
I'm hoping that people will feel that sense of splendour that | 0:54:19 | 0:54:23 | |
was once actually part of Llanelli town. | 0:54:23 | 0:54:26 | |
Just feel there's something special in Llanelli again. | 0:54:27 | 0:54:29 | |
They've gone public with a launch date in time for the October half term holidays, | 0:54:48 | 0:54:52 | |
and an opening ceremony on November 1st with Huw Edwards. | 0:54:52 | 0:54:56 | |
Now it's a race against time to hit the deadline. | 0:54:57 | 0:55:00 | |
It's autumn half term. | 0:55:25 | 0:55:27 | |
The doors are finally opened, | 0:55:27 | 0:55:29 | |
and I'm back to see the culmination of a decade of ambition and effort. | 0:55:29 | 0:55:33 | |
Yes, there've been setbacks and plenty of twists and turns, | 0:55:36 | 0:55:40 | |
so has it all been worth it? | 0:55:40 | 0:55:41 | |
Visits to the ground floor are free. | 0:55:44 | 0:55:47 | |
There's a charge for guided tours of the upper tiers. | 0:55:47 | 0:55:50 | |
The murals depict Aphrodite and Pan the God of fertility. | 0:55:50 | 0:55:55 | |
So this is quite a racy room, | 0:55:55 | 0:55:57 | |
and I believe that Lady Stepney was quite a racy little character. | 0:55:57 | 0:56:01 | |
So what's the verdict from the first local visitors? | 0:56:02 | 0:56:06 | |
It's fantastic. Really amazing. | 0:56:06 | 0:56:09 | |
We're so thrilled that it's actually opening to the public. | 0:56:09 | 0:56:13 | |
It's given Llanelli back its history, I think. | 0:56:13 | 0:56:15 | |
People will be proud of that and they'll want to share | 0:56:15 | 0:56:18 | |
and be part of that. | 0:56:18 | 0:56:19 | |
Just thrilled to bits. The place looks wonderful. | 0:56:21 | 0:56:24 | |
You've got an icon for central Llanelli of real quality. | 0:56:25 | 0:56:31 | |
It's got transformational powers, because it's that good. | 0:56:31 | 0:56:35 | |
The overall project cost has leapt from £6 million to £7 million. | 0:56:37 | 0:56:42 | |
That includes an extra grant of half a million in European funding | 0:56:42 | 0:56:46 | |
for a more hi tech relaunch in the spring. | 0:56:46 | 0:56:49 | |
The digital experience will roll out. That will enhance all the rooms. | 0:56:49 | 0:56:54 | |
It will provide research facilities for you to explore genealogy | 0:56:54 | 0:56:58 | |
and really encourage people to get more involved in their heritage. | 0:56:58 | 0:57:01 | |
You're from here. | 0:57:03 | 0:57:05 | |
You will see this so often, your family will see it, | 0:57:05 | 0:57:08 | |
your neighbours will see it, your friends will see it. | 0:57:08 | 0:57:11 | |
You've given something literally back to your own home community. | 0:57:11 | 0:57:14 | |
It's something I always talk about. | 0:57:14 | 0:57:15 | |
It's round the corner and everybody knows where it is. | 0:57:15 | 0:57:18 | |
It's a nice feeling. It's a lovely job. | 0:57:18 | 0:57:20 | |
It's hard to imagine it as it was to what it's like now. | 0:57:20 | 0:57:23 | |
You live and breathe a project. | 0:57:25 | 0:57:27 | |
It is emotional and you go on a huge journey, roller coaster. | 0:57:28 | 0:57:32 | |
It's a real wrench to let it go now. | 0:57:32 | 0:57:34 | |
It's a...it's a... | 0:57:35 | 0:57:37 | |
real project of the heart. | 0:57:37 | 0:57:39 | |
Well, what a marathon. | 0:57:46 | 0:57:47 | |
I think ten years is the longest I've ever followed a design project. | 0:57:47 | 0:57:53 | |
What a sense of achievement as well. | 0:57:53 | 0:57:55 | |
When you bear in mind that when I first saw this place it was | 0:57:55 | 0:57:58 | |
rubble, it was completely derelict, it was a write-off. | 0:57:58 | 0:58:03 | |
Now, surrounded by this very charming | 0:58:05 | 0:58:08 | |
recreated 18th century luxury, it's really seductive. | 0:58:08 | 0:58:13 | |
It really feels as if something lovely and warm | 0:58:13 | 0:58:18 | |
and personal has been achieved. | 0:58:18 | 0:58:20 | |
And it has. | 0:58:20 | 0:58:21 | |
It's very easy when you look at your town, when you look at your | 0:58:21 | 0:58:24 | |
community and you can compile a list of all the things you don't have. | 0:58:24 | 0:58:29 | |
But, actually, what Llanelli did was it understood that it had this. | 0:58:29 | 0:58:34 | |
It had Llanelly House. That's the point to me. | 0:58:34 | 0:58:38 | |
We live in a nation where every high street is the same, | 0:58:38 | 0:58:44 | |
so it's incredibly important to understand that | 0:58:44 | 0:58:47 | |
places like this are, weirdly, the future. | 0:58:47 | 0:58:52 | |
Yes, they're all about the past, | 0:58:52 | 0:58:54 | |
but by being about the past they say so very much about who we are, | 0:58:54 | 0:59:00 | |
and actually, I suppose, about who we want to be. | 0:59:00 | 0:59:03 | |
It's fascinating. It's extraordinary. | 0:59:03 | 0:59:07 | |
Come and see it for yourself. | 0:59:07 | 0:59:08 |