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'This is my fourth attempt at writing. | 0:00:46 | 0:00:49 | |
'I hope that this time I have the strength not only to begin | 0:00:49 | 0:00:53 | |
'but to see through and leave some document behind as my legacy. | 0:00:53 | 0:00:57 | |
'I tried to convince myself that writing will set me free from | 0:00:59 | 0:01:03 | |
'the bitterness I felt ever since I was liberated from the camps. | 0:01:03 | 0:01:07 | |
'What I suffered was so overwhelming that I was always miserable. | 0:01:09 | 0:01:13 | |
'All I could do was bite my lip and carry on. | 0:01:15 | 0:01:18 | |
'Actually, my deterioration and insomnia began three years ago. | 0:01:24 | 0:01:29 | |
'The floodgates opened once the boys left home. | 0:01:31 | 0:01:34 | |
'Mali seems more free now, too. | 0:01:35 | 0:01:38 | |
'She sighs often and no longer worries | 0:01:39 | 0:01:42 | |
'that the kids might hear her.' | 0:01:42 | 0:01:44 | |
And so the children set off on their journey. | 0:01:48 | 0:01:50 | |
There was Esti, my older sister, I, the director of this film, | 0:01:50 | 0:01:54 | |
and our siblings, Gideon and Ronel. | 0:01:54 | 0:01:57 | |
Our youngest brother, Amnon, stayed at home. | 0:01:57 | 0:02:00 | |
We found Dad's diary after he died. | 0:04:55 | 0:04:58 | |
None of us even knew that he wrote it. 12 years have passed since then. | 0:04:58 | 0:05:05 | |
Some of my siblings refused to read it. Others simply couldn't. | 0:05:05 | 0:05:09 | |
I had no question that I would. | 0:05:11 | 0:05:13 | |
I dived right into it and haven't put it down since. | 0:05:13 | 0:05:17 | |
This isn't my first trip to Austria, either. | 0:05:20 | 0:05:22 | |
On page four, Dad writes... | 0:05:33 | 0:05:35 | |
.."One day in May 1944, | 0:05:37 | 0:05:40 | |
"we received orders to leave our home. | 0:05:40 | 0:05:42 | |
"It's hard to describe those final moments there, alone with my father. | 0:05:43 | 0:05:47 | |
"Dad took a knife, split open the quilts, | 0:05:49 | 0:05:52 | |
"and destroyed everything of value. | 0:05:52 | 0:05:55 | |
"I was petrified. | 0:05:57 | 0:05:59 | |
"He took the violin, removed the strings, and broke the bow. | 0:06:00 | 0:06:05 | |
"He destroyed the guitar, the bass, the drums. He acted with resolve. | 0:06:05 | 0:06:11 | |
"He didn't shed a tear. He just took a few minutes. | 0:06:11 | 0:06:15 | |
"I didn't ask him about it. I didn't say a thing. | 0:06:15 | 0:06:19 | |
"In retrospect, | 0:06:20 | 0:06:21 | |
"I realised that he felt like he was leaving home for good." | 0:06:21 | 0:06:25 | |
My father was a few days in Mauthausen, | 0:06:34 | 0:06:37 | |
and then he was sent to Gusen, | 0:06:37 | 0:06:39 | |
and at the end of the war, he was liberated from Gunskirchen. | 0:06:39 | 0:06:42 | |
-So, what's the name of your father? -Joseph Fisher. | 0:06:42 | 0:06:46 | |
-He came from Auschwitz in May 1944. -Right. | 0:06:47 | 0:06:50 | |
-In May 1944, he was transferred to Gusen. -Right. | 0:06:50 | 0:06:54 | |
-So, 67656 would be the... -His number? | 0:06:54 | 0:06:58 | |
-His number. If it's him, that'd be the number. -67656. -Exactly. | 0:06:58 | 0:07:02 | |
67656. Right. | 0:07:04 | 0:07:08 | |
When I realised how much I missed my father, | 0:07:14 | 0:07:17 | |
I decided to retrace his life through his memoir. | 0:07:17 | 0:07:21 | |
He talked to us about the Holocaust but only about the symbols. | 0:07:21 | 0:07:25 | |
The train, Auschwitz, Mengele and nothing else. | 0:07:25 | 0:07:29 | |
When I read his memoir, | 0:07:29 | 0:07:31 | |
I discovered that he spent just one week in Auschwitz. | 0:07:31 | 0:07:35 | |
Using laconic symbols for this, | 0:07:35 | 0:07:37 | |
he described life in camps that I'd never heard of. | 0:07:37 | 0:07:41 | |
I learned how difficult it was for him to write about the past. | 0:07:41 | 0:07:45 | |
There were three reasons he stopped writing for long periods of time. | 0:07:45 | 0:07:49 | |
The first was what he saw in Block 13 at the Gusen camp. | 0:07:49 | 0:07:54 | |
"On the day that I arrived in Gusen, I was sent to clean the sanatorium, | 0:08:01 | 0:08:06 | |
"a term that the Germans used for extermination block. | 0:08:06 | 0:08:09 | |
"At the end of the block was a tiny room they always kept locked. | 0:08:10 | 0:08:14 | |
"One day, I saw them drown a sick inmate in a cement tub. | 0:08:16 | 0:08:20 | |
"Other prisoners were lying there | 0:08:20 | 0:08:23 | |
"watching what would soon happen to them. | 0:08:23 | 0:08:26 | |
"They pleaded with their eyes for "ein Stuck Brot", | 0:08:26 | 0:08:28 | |
"a crust of bread. | 0:08:28 | 0:08:31 | |
"The inmates remained with me for the rest of my life. | 0:08:31 | 0:08:34 | |
"The next day, they tossed their bodies out the window, | 0:08:36 | 0:08:39 | |
"just like they would toss out beets. | 0:08:39 | 0:08:41 | |
"My hand shakes as I write these lines." | 0:08:45 | 0:08:47 | |
WOMAN: 'The place looks different now. | 0:09:02 | 0:09:05 | |
'The village, the land, this mill. | 0:09:05 | 0:09:09 | |
'Try following my steps exactly so that we can walk together. | 0:09:12 | 0:09:17 | |
'This is the landscape of my childhood. | 0:09:21 | 0:09:23 | |
'Nobody was really able to say where some of the buildings | 0:09:25 | 0:09:29 | |
'in Gusen and St Georgen had come from. | 0:09:29 | 0:09:31 | |
'What purpose did the underground system behind our church serve? | 0:09:33 | 0:09:37 | |
'It was called "Flieger Werk", aircraft factory. | 0:09:37 | 0:09:42 | |
'Do you see the big gate to the left... | 0:09:44 | 0:09:46 | |
'..with the granite wall?' | 0:09:47 | 0:09:49 | |
-MAN: -'Well, this house is the most important place | 0:09:53 | 0:09:58 | |
'of the concentration camp Gusen.' | 0:09:58 | 0:09:59 | |
-WOMAN: -'That was the Jew house.' | 0:10:01 | 0:10:03 | |
WOMAN: 'This building used to be the main entrance | 0:10:06 | 0:10:09 | |
'of the concentration camp Gusen I.' | 0:10:09 | 0:10:11 | |
-MAN: -'The part below was the bunker where they take prisoners | 0:10:20 | 0:10:23 | |
'to interrogate... | 0:10:23 | 0:10:25 | |
'..and beat them... | 0:10:26 | 0:10:27 | |
'..the SS and the Gestapo.' | 0:10:29 | 0:10:32 | |
'More than 200 single-family homes | 0:11:03 | 0:11:06 | |
'and an industrial compound have taken the place | 0:11:06 | 0:11:09 | |
'of the 83 barracks and factory halls of the concentration camp. | 0:11:09 | 0:11:14 | |
'To the left, Block 2, | 0:11:15 | 0:11:19 | |
'to the right, Block 3.' | 0:11:19 | 0:11:21 | |
'Do you see the low, longish building with the grey roof?' | 0:12:30 | 0:12:33 | |
-MAN: -'That is the brothel.' | 0:12:34 | 0:12:36 | |
-MAN: -'This used to be... | 0:12:39 | 0:12:41 | |
'the joy house. | 0:12:41 | 0:12:43 | |
'Sometimes we saw those girls at the window. | 0:12:45 | 0:12:49 | |
'The SS forced them into prostitution.' | 0:12:51 | 0:12:53 | |
BRASS BAND PLAYS UPBEAT TUNE | 0:13:02 | 0:13:04 | |
"The Yom Kippur fast is over and I must keep writing. | 0:13:32 | 0:13:36 | |
"I spent the whole day in the synagogue as | 0:13:36 | 0:13:38 | |
"if I made some kind of commitment. | 0:13:38 | 0:13:40 | |
"The first time I didn't fast was in the Gusen quarries. | 0:13:42 | 0:13:45 | |
"I was so hungry that I didn't care if God would punish me | 0:13:46 | 0:13:50 | |
"and I will die, as long as I ate. | 0:13:50 | 0:13:52 | |
"I decided then that I would never fast again as long as I could eat | 0:13:54 | 0:13:59 | |
"so I always ate as usual on that day. | 0:13:59 | 0:14:01 | |
"Four years after the liberation, I was too poor to buy food | 0:14:03 | 0:14:07 | |
"and still I ate on Yom Kippur. | 0:14:07 | 0:14:09 | |
"Then my children were born and my wife convinced me | 0:14:10 | 0:14:14 | |
"to fast for their sake." | 0:14:14 | 0:14:16 | |
We are now in the big Gusen quarry. | 0:14:38 | 0:14:40 | |
One of the most cruel places that was part of Gusen I... | 0:14:42 | 0:14:47 | |
..where thousands of inmates were worked to death. | 0:14:48 | 0:14:53 | |
And the stone that was cut here | 0:14:53 | 0:14:56 | |
was used to build up the concentration camp in the first phase | 0:14:56 | 0:15:02 | |
and then it was shipped out to the Reich | 0:15:02 | 0:15:05 | |
for Hitler's high-flying building projects that he had. | 0:15:05 | 0:15:08 | |
You have to know that Hitler's favourite stone was granite, | 0:15:08 | 0:15:12 | |
because it symbolised eternity. | 0:15:12 | 0:15:15 | |
And what are the plans at the moment? | 0:15:15 | 0:15:17 | |
What would the owners like to do? | 0:15:17 | 0:15:19 | |
I have heard that there are plans to fill up the granite quarry | 0:15:19 | 0:15:24 | |
and change it into a housing project. | 0:15:24 | 0:15:26 | |
And actually, why not? | 0:15:26 | 0:15:28 | |
I think that... | 0:15:31 | 0:15:33 | |
..that there is a very sad history to this place. | 0:15:35 | 0:15:39 | |
Um... | 0:15:39 | 0:15:40 | |
And... | 0:15:42 | 0:15:43 | |
Sorry. | 0:15:46 | 0:15:47 | |
SHE SIGHS | 0:15:48 | 0:15:49 | |
I would consider it really tasteless | 0:15:49 | 0:15:53 | |
to change a place where thousands of people were cruelly murdered | 0:15:53 | 0:15:57 | |
and lost their lives, | 0:15:57 | 0:15:58 | |
to change into a housing project where normal life goes on. | 0:15:58 | 0:16:03 | |
Have you ever been down to the quarry? | 0:16:08 | 0:16:10 | |
It was a couple of years ago that I went down there. | 0:16:10 | 0:16:14 | |
But since... | 0:16:14 | 0:16:16 | |
..access to the quarry is not allowed, | 0:16:18 | 0:16:22 | |
usually, I keep at a safe distance, | 0:16:22 | 0:16:24 | |
also with visitors and groups of visitors. | 0:16:24 | 0:16:27 | |
Why is it not allowed? | 0:16:27 | 0:16:30 | |
Because it's private property, it's private. | 0:16:30 | 0:16:33 | |
SHE SIGHS | 0:17:05 | 0:17:07 | |
Oh, sorry, I can't stay | 0:17:11 | 0:17:13 | |
and I don't want to say that any longer, I can't. | 0:17:13 | 0:17:16 | |
Ask Martha, maybe she...she finds it easier to speak about that. | 0:17:16 | 0:17:20 | |
Because I just... | 0:17:20 | 0:17:22 | |
I can't put it into numbers, I mean... | 0:17:23 | 0:17:26 | |
Um...there is a feeling of support. | 0:17:26 | 0:17:29 | |
There are...people who tell me | 0:17:29 | 0:17:34 | |
and...express their support | 0:17:34 | 0:17:38 | |
and there is others and often it's a very vague feeling | 0:17:38 | 0:17:41 | |
where you know exactly they are not on your side, | 0:17:41 | 0:17:44 | |
they feel disturbed. | 0:17:44 | 0:17:46 | |
"We dug tunnels under a mountain using pickaxes and shovels. | 0:17:59 | 0:18:04 | |
"We dragged in building materials and poured cement | 0:18:04 | 0:18:07 | |
"It was always dark in there. | 0:18:07 | 0:18:09 | |
"What was it for? God only knows. | 0:18:12 | 0:18:16 | |
"The deeper we got, the more we felt | 0:18:16 | 0:18:18 | |
"like we were lost in a maze that we had built. | 0:18:18 | 0:18:21 | |
"And that soon we would be locked inside. | 0:18:21 | 0:18:23 | |
"I never thought I would come out alive." | 0:18:27 | 0:18:30 | |
'What I have found out is | 0:18:38 | 0:18:40 | |
'that it was one of the most modern and most completed plants | 0:18:40 | 0:18:44 | |
'of Nazi Germany at the end of the war.' | 0:18:44 | 0:18:47 | |
And it was designed to produce, per month, | 0:18:47 | 0:18:52 | |
1,250 fuselages for jet planes | 0:18:52 | 0:18:57 | |
and for a period of more than ten years. | 0:18:57 | 0:19:00 | |
What was the production volume of one inmate, like my father? | 0:19:00 | 0:19:05 | |
It depended on what construction detail | 0:19:05 | 0:19:08 | |
your father would have been in. | 0:19:08 | 0:19:10 | |
Digging and carrying stones on his back, this is what he did. | 0:19:10 | 0:19:14 | |
-All the time? -All the time. | 0:19:14 | 0:19:16 | |
So it's really a miracle that your father survived. | 0:19:16 | 0:19:19 | |
It's really a miracle. | 0:19:19 | 0:19:21 | |
I'm convinced that your father had also other jobs, | 0:19:21 | 0:19:25 | |
because it's unbelievable that he would have survived | 0:19:25 | 0:19:29 | |
digging ten months here at Gusen II. | 0:19:29 | 0:19:32 | |
Just digging. | 0:19:32 | 0:19:34 | |
Because the average survival period of a Jew in Gusen II, | 0:19:34 | 0:19:40 | |
in Bergkristall, was one week. | 0:19:40 | 0:19:42 | |
And every survival period of a nonJew | 0:19:42 | 0:19:44 | |
was three to four months in average. | 0:19:44 | 0:19:47 | |
He was physically strong... | 0:19:47 | 0:19:49 | |
-Yes. -..and he said that he was never beaten because he worked very good. | 0:19:49 | 0:19:52 | |
Yes, but, in this case, | 0:19:52 | 0:19:54 | |
you must...you must take into account | 0:19:54 | 0:19:57 | |
that your father was really an outstanding personality, | 0:19:57 | 0:20:00 | |
because when he was so strong to survive Bergkristall as a Jew | 0:20:00 | 0:20:05 | |
for a period of ten months, this is extraordinary. | 0:20:05 | 0:20:08 | |
Now, I really want to see it, Rudi. | 0:20:08 | 0:20:11 | |
What can your Committee actually do about it? | 0:20:11 | 0:20:14 | |
Our biggest target is | 0:20:14 | 0:20:16 | |
to get Bergkristall open to the public. | 0:20:16 | 0:20:19 | |
To give interested people the chance | 0:20:19 | 0:20:21 | |
to see why your father was sent to Gusen. | 0:20:21 | 0:20:25 | |
He was not sent to Gusen because of the stone quarry. | 0:20:25 | 0:20:29 | |
He was sent to Gusen to construct | 0:20:29 | 0:20:32 | |
one of the biggest and most important underground plants of Nazi Germany. | 0:20:32 | 0:20:36 | |
Here, at St Georgen. | 0:20:36 | 0:20:38 | |
This land...this... | 0:20:38 | 0:20:40 | |
Under this house, behind his house, the installations begin. | 0:20:40 | 0:20:44 | |
BRASS BAND PLAYING | 0:20:55 | 0:21:00 | |
"A scene I saw from my bed. | 0:21:12 | 0:21:14 | |
"Our block supervisor was a Polish dwarf, | 0:21:14 | 0:21:17 | |
"just one-and-a-half metres tall | 0:21:17 | 0:21:19 | |
"with crooked legs and a monkey face. | 0:21:19 | 0:21:22 | |
"He was a vicious anti-Semite. | 0:21:22 | 0:21:25 | |
"One night, he walked into our block | 0:21:25 | 0:21:27 | |
"and ordered someone to get out of bed and walk to the door. | 0:21:27 | 0:21:32 | |
"He jumped on him from behind, twisted a towel around his neck, | 0:21:32 | 0:21:36 | |
"kneed him in the back and sent him crashing to the floor. | 0:21:36 | 0:21:40 | |
"The dwarf then ordered a huge Jew | 0:21:40 | 0:21:43 | |
"to bring him a plank from his bed. | 0:21:43 | 0:21:46 | |
"He placed the plank on the man's chest | 0:21:46 | 0:21:48 | |
"and ordered the big Jew to stand on it till he died. | 0:21:48 | 0:21:52 | |
"I pretended to be asleep. | 0:21:56 | 0:21:59 | |
"We were not allowed to look. | 0:21:59 | 0:22:02 | |
"I thought about it for years | 0:22:02 | 0:22:04 | |
"and decided he was after the old Jew's gold teeth. | 0:22:04 | 0:22:08 | |
"We left Gusen in single file. | 0:23:53 | 0:23:55 | |
"Years later, I learnt that this was called a death march. | 0:23:57 | 0:24:01 | |
"We slept in the forest. | 0:24:03 | 0:24:06 | |
"Each morning, I chewed grass like an animal and collected snails. | 0:24:06 | 0:24:11 | |
"I ate some and saved the rest for later. | 0:24:11 | 0:24:15 | |
"I couldn't wait to eat them, | 0:24:15 | 0:24:17 | |
"which made what happened all the more disappointing. | 0:24:17 | 0:24:21 | |
"When we stopped at night, | 0:24:23 | 0:24:24 | |
"I discovered that the snails had escaped from my pocket. | 0:24:24 | 0:24:27 | |
"I was very sad. | 0:24:29 | 0:24:30 | |
"We reached the Gunskirchen camp the next day. | 0:24:33 | 0:24:36 | |
"It was supposed to be the last stop. | 0:24:36 | 0:24:39 | |
"I leaned against a tree and waited for the time to pass. | 0:24:40 | 0:24:44 | |
"I can't bring myself to write about what happened there | 0:24:49 | 0:24:52 | |
"until the Americans arrived." | 0:24:52 | 0:24:55 | |
# Gonna take A sentimental journey | 0:24:58 | 0:25:03 | |
# Gonna set my heart at ease | 0:25:03 | 0:25:06 | |
# Gonna take a sentimental journey | 0:25:06 | 0:25:12 | |
# To remember memories... # | 0:25:12 | 0:25:17 | |
# Got my bag, got my reservation | 0:25:17 | 0:25:22 | |
# Spent each dime I could afford | 0:25:22 | 0:25:26 | |
# Like a child in wild anticipation | 0:25:26 | 0:25:31 | |
# Long to hear that "All aboard" | 0:25:31 | 0:25:35 | |
# Seven | 0:25:35 | 0:25:38 | |
# That's the time we leave, at seven | 0:25:38 | 0:25:42 | |
# I'll be waiting up for heaven | 0:25:42 | 0:25:47 | |
# Counting every mile Of railroad track | 0:25:47 | 0:25:51 | |
# That takes me back | 0:25:51 | 0:25:54 | |
# Never knew my heart could be So yearning | 0:25:54 | 0:25:59 | |
# Why did I decide to roam? | 0:25:59 | 0:26:03 | |
# Gotta take that sentimental journey | 0:26:03 | 0:26:08 | |
# Sentimental journey home... # | 0:26:08 | 0:26:12 | |
"Austria, May 30th, 1945. | 0:26:18 | 0:26:23 | |
"Dear Mother and Dad..." | 0:26:23 | 0:26:25 | |
All mine were addressed Mother and Dad. | 0:26:25 | 0:26:28 | |
"Received a letter from you today. | 0:26:28 | 0:26:31 | |
"In this letter, you said that I might be in the hospital | 0:26:31 | 0:26:34 | |
"and can't write. | 0:26:34 | 0:26:35 | |
"No, I'm OK and having as good time as is possible over here." | 0:26:35 | 0:26:41 | |
And then, I'll go ahead and read it. | 0:26:41 | 0:26:43 | |
"The other day, we liberated a concentration camp. | 0:26:43 | 0:26:46 | |
"It was the most pitiful sight I've ever seen. | 0:26:46 | 0:26:50 | |
"I can't describe it in writing, | 0:26:50 | 0:26:52 | |
"so I'll just wait until I get home to tell you about it." | 0:26:52 | 0:26:55 | |
MOBILE PHONE RINGS | 0:26:55 | 0:26:57 | |
It might be Pat. | 0:26:57 | 0:26:59 | |
Hello? | 0:26:59 | 0:27:00 | |
Hey, Pat Waters. | 0:27:04 | 0:27:05 | |
This is General George Patton's grandson. | 0:27:05 | 0:27:08 | |
When you went into that camp, did they know you were coming? | 0:27:16 | 0:27:22 | |
No, they didn't know we were coming. | 0:27:22 | 0:27:24 | |
We didn't know what they were or who they were. | 0:27:24 | 0:27:26 | |
We'd never even heard about the camps. | 0:27:26 | 0:27:28 | |
Did you know about...? | 0:27:28 | 0:27:29 | |
Oh, you didn't know that they had those camps? | 0:27:29 | 0:27:31 | |
No, we haven't heard about any concentration camps. | 0:27:31 | 0:27:34 | |
The Lieutenant first saw all these thousands of people behind the wire | 0:27:34 | 0:27:38 | |
and he ordered to shoot the lock. | 0:27:38 | 0:27:41 | |
And when they opened the gates, | 0:27:41 | 0:27:43 | |
all these thousands of people came out and thronged around us, | 0:27:43 | 0:27:47 | |
hugging us, down to our knees | 0:27:47 | 0:27:51 | |
and climbing...clinging to us. | 0:27:51 | 0:27:54 | |
And speaking in languages that we didn't understand. | 0:27:54 | 0:27:58 | |
And so I heard some of them say, "Ich habe Hunger." | 0:27:58 | 0:28:03 | |
I knew enough German at that time to know that they were hungry. | 0:28:03 | 0:28:07 | |
So I told all the guys to go get the K-rations | 0:28:07 | 0:28:11 | |
and they ate everything. | 0:28:11 | 0:28:14 | |
-They ate all of this. -The cigarettes? | 0:28:14 | 0:28:16 | |
The cigarettes. | 0:28:16 | 0:28:17 | |
We naturally expected them to ask us to light them for them, | 0:28:17 | 0:28:22 | |
but they ate them. | 0:28:22 | 0:28:24 | |
We were astounded to see them eating the cigarettes. | 0:28:24 | 0:28:27 | |
Paper and all, they ate. | 0:28:27 | 0:28:29 | |
Then Marvin and I and Lieutenant Burns walked on into the camp | 0:28:29 | 0:28:35 | |
and then we started seeing all these hundreds of dead bodies, | 0:28:35 | 0:28:39 | |
laying throughout the camp. | 0:28:39 | 0:28:41 | |
Now, when we looked at some over here, | 0:28:41 | 0:28:44 | |
and one might raise a finger | 0:28:44 | 0:28:46 | |
to indicate he's still got some movement. | 0:28:46 | 0:28:49 | |
Another one might blink his eyes, | 0:28:49 | 0:28:51 | |
but there was nothing we could do for them. | 0:28:51 | 0:28:54 | |
How long had they been there for? | 0:28:54 | 0:28:56 | |
About three months, some of them had been. | 0:28:56 | 0:28:58 | |
We did find out from some of them who were active | 0:28:58 | 0:29:01 | |
and more walking and talking that the procedure was...they had no food. | 0:29:01 | 0:29:08 | |
Evidently, they had just been put in there to starve to death. | 0:29:08 | 0:29:13 | |
It was like a concentration camp with no method of extermination. | 0:29:13 | 0:29:17 | |
I wrote home to my parents, who saved the letters... | 0:29:17 | 0:29:21 | |
I wrote describing all of this and I said, | 0:29:21 | 0:29:24 | |
"I regret... I'm sorry, | 0:29:24 | 0:29:26 | |
"I just don't have words to describe the horror here. | 0:29:26 | 0:29:30 | |
"I'll try to tell you when I get home." But... | 0:29:30 | 0:29:34 | |
You were trying to forget between then... | 0:29:34 | 0:29:36 | |
Yeah, I never did. | 0:29:36 | 0:29:37 | |
"I lay on a blanket I managed to obtain. | 0:29:45 | 0:29:48 | |
"Suddenly, I saw a German soldier leave the watchtower. | 0:29:48 | 0:29:52 | |
"Then I heard cries of joy and the rumble of American tanks. | 0:29:53 | 0:29:58 | |
"Bitsare was stronger than me. | 0:29:59 | 0:30:02 | |
"He ran over with some canned food and went to get more. | 0:30:02 | 0:30:05 | |
"His head was bleeding when he came back, | 0:30:07 | 0:30:10 | |
"so he asked me to pee on his wound. | 0:30:10 | 0:30:13 | |
"'Pisi, Joseph, pisi.' | 0:30:13 | 0:30:15 | |
"I knew that urine was a disinfectant, so I peed. | 0:30:15 | 0:30:19 | |
"We left the camp at dawn." | 0:30:20 | 0:30:22 | |
Pete! | 0:30:41 | 0:30:42 | |
-Pete Carnabuci. -Hey. Hi. | 0:30:44 | 0:30:47 | |
How are you? Oh! | 0:30:47 | 0:30:49 | |
-It's you? -It's me. -It's you. | 0:30:51 | 0:30:53 | |
Your voice hasn't changed. | 0:30:53 | 0:30:56 | |
Why should my voice change? | 0:30:56 | 0:30:58 | |
How have you been? | 0:30:58 | 0:31:00 | |
Pete, I've been good. | 0:31:00 | 0:31:02 | |
-Good. -How have you been? | 0:31:02 | 0:31:03 | |
-Oh, I'm doing OK so far, you know. -Yeah. | 0:31:03 | 0:31:07 | |
I think I told you that I go for the VA | 0:31:09 | 0:31:11 | |
for this post-traumatic stress. | 0:31:11 | 0:31:13 | |
-But I'm coming along OK. -Yeah. | 0:31:14 | 0:31:17 | |
And... | 0:31:19 | 0:31:20 | |
Well, Gunskirchen... | 0:31:22 | 0:31:23 | |
-..is a tough one. -Yes, it is. | 0:31:25 | 0:31:28 | |
That... | 0:31:30 | 0:31:31 | |
you know... | 0:31:31 | 0:31:32 | |
..it's almost impossible... | 0:31:33 | 0:31:35 | |
..to explain and describe... | 0:31:38 | 0:31:41 | |
..that hour or so that happened to us | 0:31:43 | 0:31:48 | |
-at the gate of Gunskirchen Lager. -Yes. | 0:31:48 | 0:31:51 | |
It's impossible to explain to people what inhuman... | 0:31:51 | 0:31:55 | |
how inhuman humans can be to other humans. | 0:31:55 | 0:31:59 | |
We saw the worst. | 0:32:01 | 0:32:03 | |
Got to be the worst. | 0:32:03 | 0:32:05 | |
I've never seen a horror movie that comes anywhere near... | 0:32:05 | 0:32:09 | |
..what we saw, | 0:32:11 | 0:32:13 | |
what we heard, what we smelled. | 0:32:13 | 0:32:16 | |
I know that you and I... | 0:32:16 | 0:32:18 | |
I believe you were there by the doorway. | 0:32:18 | 0:32:21 | |
We didn't go in. | 0:32:21 | 0:32:23 | |
And seeing these human living skeletons. | 0:32:23 | 0:32:26 | |
-And that really bothered me. -Yeah. | 0:32:28 | 0:32:31 | |
We have to carry that with us, | 0:32:34 | 0:32:36 | |
but we can't let that make us the victims, Pete. | 0:32:36 | 0:32:38 | |
I know. | 0:32:38 | 0:32:40 | |
But... | 0:32:41 | 0:32:43 | |
-you try to forget, but it's too hard. -It's hard. | 0:32:43 | 0:32:46 | |
I know it's hard. | 0:32:46 | 0:32:48 | |
The... | 0:32:52 | 0:32:53 | |
one of the hard parts beyond that is, | 0:32:53 | 0:32:58 | |
we gave them food. | 0:32:58 | 0:32:59 | |
And many of them ate and then died, | 0:33:01 | 0:33:04 | |
cos their stomachs, whatever they did, you know? | 0:33:04 | 0:33:08 | |
We didn't know that. | 0:33:08 | 0:33:09 | |
We didn't know that, you couldn't do that. | 0:33:11 | 0:33:13 | |
But I don't think we can, you know, lay a blame... | 0:33:14 | 0:33:18 | |
you can't lay a blame, because you gave these guys your C-rations | 0:33:18 | 0:33:23 | |
and they died within two hours. | 0:33:23 | 0:33:26 | |
That...that cannot be your blame. | 0:33:26 | 0:33:28 | |
You did what you could. | 0:33:29 | 0:33:31 | |
Some of them already start walking out of the camp. | 0:33:32 | 0:33:35 | |
And they were laying all over the woods and the meadows, | 0:33:37 | 0:33:40 | |
and the culverts along the road, on the road. | 0:33:40 | 0:33:43 | |
And I picked two of them up, one at a time. | 0:33:44 | 0:33:46 | |
They didn't weigh anything but 60, 70 pounds. | 0:33:46 | 0:33:50 | |
I grabbed them by the neck and tried to feed them, and they... | 0:33:50 | 0:33:53 | |
They just bent over and they died. | 0:33:53 | 0:33:56 | |
That really got me. | 0:33:56 | 0:33:58 | |
And the worst way, to me... | 0:33:59 | 0:34:01 | |
one of the worst ways to me is to die starving, | 0:34:01 | 0:34:06 | |
and I was there to visualise it, | 0:34:06 | 0:34:09 | |
what it felt like to be very hungry | 0:34:09 | 0:34:12 | |
where you can even eat human flesh. | 0:34:12 | 0:34:14 | |
HE SOBS QUIETLY | 0:34:18 | 0:34:20 | |
(That's all I have to say.) | 0:34:22 | 0:34:23 | |
Happy to see my friend Jucksch again. | 0:34:27 | 0:34:30 | |
And a few of the other fellas that are still living. | 0:34:30 | 0:34:32 | |
My father, he never talked about it during his lifetime. | 0:34:38 | 0:34:44 | |
The only time I actually understood | 0:34:44 | 0:34:48 | |
and found out what happened to him | 0:34:48 | 0:34:53 | |
was when I read his memoir... | 0:34:53 | 0:34:55 | |
..he wrote during the two years before he passed away. | 0:34:57 | 0:35:02 | |
I would suggest to you... | 0:35:02 | 0:35:03 | |
..that maybe you're better off not having heard the stories. | 0:35:06 | 0:35:09 | |
Can't you imagine... | 0:35:10 | 0:35:12 | |
how horrible it must have been, | 0:35:14 | 0:35:17 | |
lying in the squalor? | 0:35:17 | 0:35:19 | |
Who's got to pee next? Who's got to defecate next? | 0:35:20 | 0:35:23 | |
Where is he going to find a spot to defecate... | 0:35:23 | 0:35:25 | |
..that hasn't got a body on it? | 0:35:27 | 0:35:29 | |
How can he tell that story? | 0:35:31 | 0:35:33 | |
Maybe he had to fight one off to survive. | 0:35:35 | 0:35:38 | |
We are survivors. | 0:35:38 | 0:35:39 | |
You know, we're animals in the end. | 0:35:41 | 0:35:42 | |
We have this gene, or whatever it is | 0:35:42 | 0:35:45 | |
that makes us want to survive above all. | 0:35:45 | 0:35:47 | |
So... | 0:35:49 | 0:35:50 | |
..you could be proud of your father, that he somehow survived. | 0:35:53 | 0:35:57 | |
Survived enough to have children and raise a family. | 0:35:58 | 0:36:01 | |
That's good. | 0:36:02 | 0:36:04 | |
Be happy with that story. | 0:36:07 | 0:36:08 | |
"People tell me I'm sad, that I sink into melancholy. | 0:36:25 | 0:36:30 | |
"I know it's hard for people to accept me. | 0:36:30 | 0:36:35 | |
"My beloved children, | 0:36:35 | 0:36:37 | |
"I'm still trapped there, even in my happiest moments. | 0:36:37 | 0:36:41 | |
"I often regret having survived, and I ask, 'Why me of all people?' | 0:36:42 | 0:36:46 | |
"I am convinced that everyone like me feels the same way. | 0:36:48 | 0:36:52 | |
"We are all actors." | 0:36:52 | 0:36:54 | |
When I left the United States, | 0:37:06 | 0:37:08 | |
I realised that this was as far as I could go | 0:37:08 | 0:37:11 | |
in search of my father's memoir. | 0:37:11 | 0:37:13 | |
But one year later, I was informed | 0:37:14 | 0:37:16 | |
that the Austrians agreed to open the towers for me for a single day. | 0:37:16 | 0:37:21 | |
I knew I had to go, but this time, | 0:37:21 | 0:37:23 | |
I insisted that my brothers and sister come with me. | 0:37:23 | 0:37:27 | |
After all, the father that I had discovered was their father too. | 0:37:28 | 0:37:33 | |
I had another reason to get everyone together, | 0:37:50 | 0:37:52 | |
but I won't reveal it now. | 0:37:52 | 0:37:54 | |
Only Esti knows. | 0:37:55 | 0:37:56 | |
SPEAKS IN GERMAN | 0:39:51 | 0:39:54 | |
This was a barrack for those who were able to work. | 0:39:56 | 0:39:59 | |
They were strictly separated, as we told you before, | 0:39:59 | 0:40:02 | |
and so everybody who entered a barrack of this kind was able, | 0:40:02 | 0:40:07 | |
declared to be able to work. | 0:40:07 | 0:40:08 | |
GUIDE SPEAKS GERMAN | 0:40:10 | 0:40:13 | |
OK, so every barrack was separated in two parts - Room A, Room B. | 0:40:27 | 0:40:33 | |
We're now in Room B, and Room A is just a similar thing, | 0:40:33 | 0:40:36 | |
just mirrored. | 0:40:36 | 0:40:38 | |
Where is the gas chamber? | 0:41:10 | 0:41:11 | |
It's here? | 0:41:13 | 0:41:14 | |
That's where they kill... | 0:41:24 | 0:41:25 | |
That's the way the gas chambers... | 0:41:25 | 0:41:26 | |
We must see them. We must. | 0:41:28 | 0:41:29 | |
We must! | 0:41:31 | 0:41:32 | |
"My parents and brothers aren't really dead to me, | 0:42:00 | 0:42:03 | |
"because I didn't see them die. | 0:42:03 | 0:42:05 | |
"I still can't let go. | 0:42:05 | 0:42:08 | |
"Sometimes I imagine those last 10 minutes in the gas chamber, | 0:42:08 | 0:42:12 | |
"how they fought for every last breath of air. | 0:42:12 | 0:42:15 | |
"I can't stop thinking of that image, | 0:42:15 | 0:42:18 | |
"but I still fight on, every hour and every minute, | 0:42:18 | 0:42:21 | |
"so that I don't lose my sanity. | 0:42:21 | 0:42:24 | |
"Maybe it's my way of taking revenge. | 0:42:24 | 0:42:27 | |
"Maybe it is just a will to live." | 0:42:27 | 0:42:30 | |
-How many metres? How many kilometres are these tunnels? -This is 7.5km. | 0:48:33 | 0:48:37 | |
So, basically, they built the aeroplanes over here? | 0:48:39 | 0:48:43 | |
All these tunnels. | 0:48:43 | 0:48:45 | |
-For the aeroplanes? -Yes. | 0:48:45 | 0:48:47 | |
-And how many aeroplanes were built here? -1,000. | 0:48:47 | 0:48:49 | |
-What?! -1,000 aeroplanes. | 0:48:49 | 0:48:51 | |
"I remember a scene in the tunnel. | 0:49:11 | 0:49:14 | |
"Five Jews, including a father and son, | 0:49:14 | 0:49:17 | |
"were holding a log on their shoulders | 0:49:17 | 0:49:19 | |
"while a red-headed Polish Gentile whipped them like horses. | 0:49:19 | 0:49:23 | |
"When they put down the log, the Pole ordered the boy, | 0:49:26 | 0:49:29 | |
"who was about 16, my age, to slap his father. | 0:49:29 | 0:49:34 | |
"The boy refused. | 0:49:34 | 0:49:36 | |
"So the Pole slapped him and said, 'Hit him hard, like that.' | 0:49:36 | 0:49:40 | |
"But the boy still refused. | 0:49:40 | 0:49:42 | |
"His father pleaded with him in Hungarian, saying, | 0:49:43 | 0:49:46 | |
"'Slap me hard!' | 0:49:46 | 0:49:48 | |
"He wanted to stop the Pole from hitting his son. | 0:49:48 | 0:49:51 | |
"I wondered what I would have done in his place." | 0:49:53 | 0:49:55 | |
The colour you see, the black, is from the blasting, from the burning. | 0:50:13 | 0:50:19 | |
I'm just looking for... You see this? | 0:51:30 | 0:51:33 | |
It says, "Takt 29." | 0:51:33 | 0:51:37 | |
So this was a step of the production and the plane was on Takt 29. | 0:51:37 | 0:51:43 | |
For me, this place is so important and so amazing | 0:52:18 | 0:52:22 | |
because here you see how they built the tunnels. | 0:52:22 | 0:52:27 | |
And if you look up there, | 0:52:27 | 0:52:29 | |
you see a lot of scratches and, yeah, | 0:52:29 | 0:52:32 | |
you see that this is all made by hand. | 0:52:32 | 0:52:36 | |
And here, I feel, personally, like the workers, | 0:52:37 | 0:52:43 | |
they just have gone for lunch or whatever. | 0:52:43 | 0:52:46 | |
They were ten minutes away. | 0:52:46 | 0:52:49 | |
So this is the place, personally, | 0:52:49 | 0:52:52 | |
I feel, yeah...not very good here. | 0:52:52 | 0:52:55 | |
THEY CONTINUE ARGUING | 0:53:42 | 0:53:46 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:59:40 | 0:59:43 | |
THEY LAUGH | 1:00:50 | 1:00:52 | |
SHE LAUGHS | 1:02:50 | 1:02:52 | |
CHOIR SINGS | 1:04:16 | 1:04:19 | |
"There were no roll calls in Gunskirchen. | 1:05:26 | 1:05:29 | |
"We were not afraid of beatings. | 1:05:29 | 1:05:32 | |
"We were not given any food. | 1:05:32 | 1:05:34 | |
"And we felt like no-one was interested in us. | 1:05:34 | 1:05:37 | |
"The barracks were filled with the living and the dead. | 1:05:38 | 1:05:42 | |
"There was no room for me, so I slept outside. | 1:05:42 | 1:05:45 | |
"My will to live was strong | 1:05:46 | 1:05:48 | |
"because I thought that we were the only Jews left. | 1:05:48 | 1:05:51 | |
"I was cold, so I snuck into a barracks | 1:05:53 | 1:05:56 | |
"and fell asleep beside someone who didn't throw me out. | 1:05:56 | 1:05:59 | |
"You can probably guess why. | 1:06:00 | 1:06:02 | |
"That's right. | 1:06:04 | 1:06:05 | |
"I'm not sure I would fight for my life like that now." | 1:06:07 | 1:06:10 | |
HE SIGHS AND SOBS QUIETLY | 1:07:03 | 1:07:05 | |
RONEL SIGHS | 1:08:33 | 1:08:35 | |
ESTI: | 1:09:14 | 1:09:17 | |
ESTI LAUGHS | 1:09:53 | 1:09:55 | |
ESTI LAUGHS | 1:11:56 | 1:11:57 | |
ESTI: | 1:13:11 | 1:13:13 | |
RONEL: | 1:13:20 | 1:13:21 | |
ESTI: | 1:14:11 | 1:14:14 | |
RONEL: | 1:14:14 | 1:14:17 | |
ESTI: | 1:14:52 | 1:14:54 | |
THEY LAUGH | 1:15:31 | 1:15:33 | |
ESTI: | 1:15:50 | 1:15:51 | |
ESTI: | 1:16:04 | 1:16:07 | |
GIDEON: | 1:16:07 | 1:16:09 | |
THEY LAUGH | 1:17:35 | 1:17:39 | |
"It was time to go home. | 1:18:04 | 1:18:06 | |
"I was overwhelmed by unspeakable pain. | 1:18:07 | 1:18:10 | |
"I tried to drown my bitterness in vodka, | 1:18:12 | 1:18:15 | |
"but soon realised that it was | 1:18:15 | 1:18:17 | |
"not the solution, because I would throw up after drinking a lot. | 1:18:17 | 1:18:21 | |
"Worst of all, no-one cared about me. | 1:18:22 | 1:18:25 | |
"I was so confused, I didn't know what I was doing. | 1:18:27 | 1:18:31 | |
"I felt guilty for surviving. | 1:18:31 | 1:18:33 | |
"I felt that way my entire life. | 1:18:33 | 1:18:36 | |
"I can't break free of it. | 1:18:37 | 1:18:39 | |
"That's also why I take breaks in my writing. | 1:18:39 | 1:18:43 | |
"Few people can really understand." | 1:18:43 | 1:18:46 | |
BEE BUZZES | 1:18:52 | 1:18:55 | |
ESTI: | 1:23:41 | 1:23:43 | |
DISTANT CHATTERING OF CHILDREN | 1:24:36 | 1:24:41 | |
"Today we had a wonderful day. | 1:24:46 | 1:24:50 | |
"All our boys came for lunch with | 1:24:50 | 1:24:52 | |
"their wives and our grandchildren. | 1:24:52 | 1:24:54 | |
"Yuval and Yael asked to spend the night with Grandma and Grandpa. | 1:24:54 | 1:24:59 | |
"We'll take them home tomorrow. | 1:24:59 | 1:25:01 | |
"David told Mama how great it is | 1:25:02 | 1:25:04 | |
"that his children have grandparents. | 1:25:04 | 1:25:08 | |
"I want to tell you that when I heard this, I shed a tear." | 1:25:08 | 1:25:12 | |
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