The Holocaust and My Father: Six Million and One


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'This is my fourth attempt at writing.

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'I hope that this time I have the strength not only to begin

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'but to see through and leave some document behind as my legacy.

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'I tried to convince myself that writing will set me free from

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'the bitterness I felt ever since I was liberated from the camps.

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'What I suffered was so overwhelming that I was always miserable.

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'All I could do was bite my lip and carry on.

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'Actually, my deterioration and insomnia began three years ago.

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'The floodgates opened once the boys left home.

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'Mali seems more free now, too.

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'She sighs often and no longer worries

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'that the kids might hear her.'

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And so the children set off on their journey.

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There was Esti, my older sister, I, the director of this film,

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and our siblings, Gideon and Ronel.

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Our youngest brother, Amnon, stayed at home.

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We found Dad's diary after he died.

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None of us even knew that he wrote it. 12 years have passed since then.

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Some of my siblings refused to read it. Others simply couldn't.

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I had no question that I would.

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I dived right into it and haven't put it down since.

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This isn't my first trip to Austria, either.

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On page four, Dad writes...

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.."One day in May 1944,

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"we received orders to leave our home.

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"It's hard to describe those final moments there, alone with my father.

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"Dad took a knife, split open the quilts,

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"and destroyed everything of value.

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"I was petrified.

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"He took the violin, removed the strings, and broke the bow.

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"He destroyed the guitar, the bass, the drums. He acted with resolve.

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"He didn't shed a tear. He just took a few minutes.

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"I didn't ask him about it. I didn't say a thing.

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"In retrospect,

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"I realised that he felt like he was leaving home for good."

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My father was a few days in Mauthausen,

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and then he was sent to Gusen,

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and at the end of the war, he was liberated from Gunskirchen.

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-So, what's the name of your father?

-Joseph Fisher.

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-He came from Auschwitz in May 1944.

-Right.

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-In May 1944, he was transferred to Gusen.

-Right.

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-So, 67656 would be the...

-His number?

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-His number. If it's him, that'd be the number.

-67656.

-Exactly.

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67656. Right.

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When I realised how much I missed my father,

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I decided to retrace his life through his memoir.

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He talked to us about the Holocaust but only about the symbols.

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The train, Auschwitz, Mengele and nothing else.

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When I read his memoir,

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I discovered that he spent just one week in Auschwitz.

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Using laconic symbols for this,

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he described life in camps that I'd never heard of.

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I learned how difficult it was for him to write about the past.

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There were three reasons he stopped writing for long periods of time.

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The first was what he saw in Block 13 at the Gusen camp.

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"On the day that I arrived in Gusen, I was sent to clean the sanatorium,

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"a term that the Germans used for extermination block.

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"At the end of the block was a tiny room they always kept locked.

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"One day, I saw them drown a sick inmate in a cement tub.

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"Other prisoners were lying there

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"watching what would soon happen to them.

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"They pleaded with their eyes for "ein Stuck Brot",

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"a crust of bread.

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"The inmates remained with me for the rest of my life.

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"The next day, they tossed their bodies out the window,

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"just like they would toss out beets.

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"My hand shakes as I write these lines."

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WOMAN: 'The place looks different now.

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'The village, the land, this mill.

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'Try following my steps exactly so that we can walk together.

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'This is the landscape of my childhood.

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'Nobody was really able to say where some of the buildings

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'in Gusen and St Georgen had come from.

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'What purpose did the underground system behind our church serve?

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'It was called "Flieger Werk", aircraft factory.

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'Do you see the big gate to the left...

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'..with the granite wall?'

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-MAN:

-'Well, this house is the most important place

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'of the concentration camp Gusen.'

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-WOMAN:

-'That was the Jew house.'

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WOMAN: 'This building used to be the main entrance

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'of the concentration camp Gusen I.'

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-MAN:

-'The part below was the bunker where they take prisoners

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'to interrogate...

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'..and beat them...

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'..the SS and the Gestapo.'

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'More than 200 single-family homes

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'and an industrial compound have taken the place

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'of the 83 barracks and factory halls of the concentration camp.

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'To the left, Block 2,

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'to the right, Block 3.'

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'Do you see the low, longish building with the grey roof?'

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-MAN:

-'That is the brothel.'

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-MAN:

-'This used to be...

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'the joy house.

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'Sometimes we saw those girls at the window.

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'The SS forced them into prostitution.'

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BRASS BAND PLAYS UPBEAT TUNE

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"The Yom Kippur fast is over and I must keep writing.

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"I spent the whole day in the synagogue as

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"if I made some kind of commitment.

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"The first time I didn't fast was in the Gusen quarries.

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"I was so hungry that I didn't care if God would punish me

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"and I will die, as long as I ate.

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"I decided then that I would never fast again as long as I could eat

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"so I always ate as usual on that day.

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"Four years after the liberation, I was too poor to buy food

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"and still I ate on Yom Kippur.

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"Then my children were born and my wife convinced me

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"to fast for their sake."

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We are now in the big Gusen quarry.

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One of the most cruel places that was part of Gusen I...

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..where thousands of inmates were worked to death.

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And the stone that was cut here

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was used to build up the concentration camp in the first phase

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and then it was shipped out to the Reich

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for Hitler's high-flying building projects that he had.

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You have to know that Hitler's favourite stone was granite,

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because it symbolised eternity.

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And what are the plans at the moment?

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What would the owners like to do?

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I have heard that there are plans to fill up the granite quarry

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and change it into a housing project.

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And actually, why not?

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I think that...

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..that there is a very sad history to this place.

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Um...

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And...

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Sorry.

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SHE SIGHS

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I would consider it really tasteless

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to change a place where thousands of people were cruelly murdered

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and lost their lives,

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to change into a housing project where normal life goes on.

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Have you ever been down to the quarry?

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It was a couple of years ago that I went down there.

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But since...

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..access to the quarry is not allowed,

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usually, I keep at a safe distance,

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also with visitors and groups of visitors.

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Why is it not allowed?

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Because it's private property, it's private.

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SHE SIGHS

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Oh, sorry, I can't stay

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and I don't want to say that any longer, I can't.

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Ask Martha, maybe she...she finds it easier to speak about that.

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Because I just...

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I can't put it into numbers, I mean...

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Um...there is a feeling of support.

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There are...people who tell me

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and...express their support

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and there is others and often it's a very vague feeling

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where you know exactly they are not on your side,

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they feel disturbed.

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"We dug tunnels under a mountain using pickaxes and shovels.

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"We dragged in building materials and poured cement

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"It was always dark in there.

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"What was it for? God only knows.

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"The deeper we got, the more we felt

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"like we were lost in a maze that we had built.

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"And that soon we would be locked inside.

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"I never thought I would come out alive."

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'What I have found out is

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'that it was one of the most modern and most completed plants

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'of Nazi Germany at the end of the war.'

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And it was designed to produce, per month,

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1,250 fuselages for jet planes

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and for a period of more than ten years.

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What was the production volume of one inmate, like my father?

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It depended on what construction detail

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your father would have been in.

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Digging and carrying stones on his back, this is what he did.

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-All the time?

-All the time.

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So it's really a miracle that your father survived.

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It's really a miracle.

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I'm convinced that your father had also other jobs,

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because it's unbelievable that he would have survived

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digging ten months here at Gusen II.

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Just digging.

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Because the average survival period of a Jew in Gusen II,

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in Bergkristall, was one week.

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And every survival period of a nonJew

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was three to four months in average.

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He was physically strong...

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-Yes.

-..and he said that he was never beaten because he worked very good.

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Yes, but, in this case,

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you must...you must take into account

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that your father was really an outstanding personality,

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because when he was so strong to survive Bergkristall as a Jew

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for a period of ten months, this is extraordinary.

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Now, I really want to see it, Rudi.

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What can your Committee actually do about it?

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Our biggest target is

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to get Bergkristall open to the public.

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To give interested people the chance

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to see why your father was sent to Gusen.

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He was not sent to Gusen because of the stone quarry.

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He was sent to Gusen to construct

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one of the biggest and most important underground plants of Nazi Germany.

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Here, at St Georgen.

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This land...this...

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Under this house, behind his house, the installations begin.

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BRASS BAND PLAYING

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"A scene I saw from my bed.

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"Our block supervisor was a Polish dwarf,

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"just one-and-a-half metres tall

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"with crooked legs and a monkey face.

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"He was a vicious anti-Semite.

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"One night, he walked into our block

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"and ordered someone to get out of bed and walk to the door.

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"He jumped on him from behind, twisted a towel around his neck,

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"kneed him in the back and sent him crashing to the floor.

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"The dwarf then ordered a huge Jew

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"to bring him a plank from his bed.

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"He placed the plank on the man's chest

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"and ordered the big Jew to stand on it till he died.

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"I pretended to be asleep.

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"We were not allowed to look.

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"I thought about it for years

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"and decided he was after the old Jew's gold teeth.

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"We left Gusen in single file.

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"Years later, I learnt that this was called a death march.

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"We slept in the forest.

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"Each morning, I chewed grass like an animal and collected snails.

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"I ate some and saved the rest for later.

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"I couldn't wait to eat them,

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"which made what happened all the more disappointing.

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"When we stopped at night,

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"I discovered that the snails had escaped from my pocket.

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"I was very sad.

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"We reached the Gunskirchen camp the next day.

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"It was supposed to be the last stop.

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"I leaned against a tree and waited for the time to pass.

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"I can't bring myself to write about what happened there

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"until the Americans arrived."

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# Gonna take A sentimental journey

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# Gonna set my heart at ease

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# Gonna take a sentimental journey

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# To remember memories... #

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# Got my bag, got my reservation

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# Spent each dime I could afford

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# Like a child in wild anticipation

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# Long to hear that "All aboard"

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# Seven

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# That's the time we leave, at seven

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# I'll be waiting up for heaven

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# Counting every mile Of railroad track

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# That takes me back

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# Never knew my heart could be So yearning

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# Why did I decide to roam?

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# Gotta take that sentimental journey

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# Sentimental journey home... #

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"Austria, May 30th, 1945.

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"Dear Mother and Dad..."

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All mine were addressed Mother and Dad.

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"Received a letter from you today.

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"In this letter, you said that I might be in the hospital

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"and can't write.

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"No, I'm OK and having as good time as is possible over here."

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And then, I'll go ahead and read it.

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"The other day, we liberated a concentration camp.

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"It was the most pitiful sight I've ever seen.

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"I can't describe it in writing,

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"so I'll just wait until I get home to tell you about it."

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MOBILE PHONE RINGS

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It might be Pat.

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Hello?

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Hey, Pat Waters.

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This is General George Patton's grandson.

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When you went into that camp, did they know you were coming?

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No, they didn't know we were coming.

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We didn't know what they were or who they were.

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We'd never even heard about the camps.

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Did you know about...?

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Oh, you didn't know that they had those camps?

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No, we haven't heard about any concentration camps.

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The Lieutenant first saw all these thousands of people behind the wire

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and he ordered to shoot the lock.

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And when they opened the gates,

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all these thousands of people came out and thronged around us,

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hugging us, down to our knees

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and climbing...clinging to us.

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And speaking in languages that we didn't understand.

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And so I heard some of them say, "Ich habe Hunger."

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I knew enough German at that time to know that they were hungry.

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So I told all the guys to go get the K-rations

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and they ate everything.

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-They ate all of this.

-The cigarettes?

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The cigarettes.

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We naturally expected them to ask us to light them for them,

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but they ate them.

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We were astounded to see them eating the cigarettes.

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Paper and all, they ate.

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Then Marvin and I and Lieutenant Burns walked on into the camp

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and then we started seeing all these hundreds of dead bodies,

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laying throughout the camp.

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Now, when we looked at some over here,

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and one might raise a finger

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to indicate he's still got some movement.

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Another one might blink his eyes,

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but there was nothing we could do for them.

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How long had they been there for?

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About three months, some of them had been.

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We did find out from some of them who were active

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and more walking and talking that the procedure was...they had no food.

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Evidently, they had just been put in there to starve to death.

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It was like a concentration camp with no method of extermination.

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I wrote home to my parents, who saved the letters...

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I wrote describing all of this and I said,

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"I regret... I'm sorry,

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"I just don't have words to describe the horror here.

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"I'll try to tell you when I get home." But...

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You were trying to forget between then...

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Yeah, I never did.

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"I lay on a blanket I managed to obtain.

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"Suddenly, I saw a German soldier leave the watchtower.

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"Then I heard cries of joy and the rumble of American tanks.

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"Bitsare was stronger than me.

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"He ran over with some canned food and went to get more.

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"His head was bleeding when he came back,

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"so he asked me to pee on his wound.

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"'Pisi, Joseph, pisi.'

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"I knew that urine was a disinfectant, so I peed.

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"We left the camp at dawn."

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Pete!

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-Pete Carnabuci.

-Hey. Hi.

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How are you? Oh!

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-It's you?

-It's me.

-It's you.

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Your voice hasn't changed.

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Why should my voice change?

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How have you been?

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Pete, I've been good.

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-Good.

-How have you been?

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-Oh, I'm doing OK so far, you know.

-Yeah.

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I think I told you that I go for the VA

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for this post-traumatic stress.

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-But I'm coming along OK.

-Yeah.

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And...

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Well, Gunskirchen...

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-..is a tough one.

-Yes, it is.

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That...

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you know...

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..it's almost impossible...

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..to explain and describe...

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..that hour or so that happened to us

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-at the gate of Gunskirchen Lager.

-Yes.

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It's impossible to explain to people what inhuman...

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how inhuman humans can be to other humans.

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We saw the worst.

0:32:010:32:03

Got to be the worst.

0:32:030:32:05

I've never seen a horror movie that comes anywhere near...

0:32:050:32:09

..what we saw,

0:32:110:32:13

what we heard, what we smelled.

0:32:130:32:16

I know that you and I...

0:32:160:32:18

I believe you were there by the doorway.

0:32:180:32:21

We didn't go in.

0:32:210:32:23

And seeing these human living skeletons.

0:32:230:32:26

-And that really bothered me.

-Yeah.

0:32:280:32:31

We have to carry that with us,

0:32:340:32:36

but we can't let that make us the victims, Pete.

0:32:360:32:38

I know.

0:32:380:32:40

But...

0:32:410:32:43

-you try to forget, but it's too hard.

-It's hard.

0:32:430:32:46

I know it's hard.

0:32:460:32:48

The...

0:32:520:32:53

one of the hard parts beyond that is,

0:32:530:32:58

we gave them food.

0:32:580:32:59

And many of them ate and then died,

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cos their stomachs, whatever they did, you know?

0:33:040:33:08

We didn't know that.

0:33:080:33:09

We didn't know that, you couldn't do that.

0:33:110:33:13

But I don't think we can, you know, lay a blame...

0:33:140:33:18

you can't lay a blame, because you gave these guys your C-rations

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and they died within two hours.

0:33:230:33:26

That...that cannot be your blame.

0:33:260:33:28

You did what you could.

0:33:290:33:31

Some of them already start walking out of the camp.

0:33:320:33:35

And they were laying all over the woods and the meadows,

0:33:370:33:40

and the culverts along the road, on the road.

0:33:400:33:43

And I picked two of them up, one at a time.

0:33:440:33:46

They didn't weigh anything but 60, 70 pounds.

0:33:460:33:50

I grabbed them by the neck and tried to feed them, and they...

0:33:500:33:53

They just bent over and they died.

0:33:530:33:56

That really got me.

0:33:560:33:58

And the worst way, to me...

0:33:590:34:01

one of the worst ways to me is to die starving,

0:34:010:34:06

and I was there to visualise it,

0:34:060:34:09

what it felt like to be very hungry

0:34:090:34:12

where you can even eat human flesh.

0:34:120:34:14

HE SOBS QUIETLY

0:34:180:34:20

(That's all I have to say.)

0:34:220:34:23

Happy to see my friend Jucksch again.

0:34:270:34:30

And a few of the other fellas that are still living.

0:34:300:34:32

My father, he never talked about it during his lifetime.

0:34:380:34:44

The only time I actually understood

0:34:440:34:48

and found out what happened to him

0:34:480:34:53

was when I read his memoir...

0:34:530:34:55

..he wrote during the two years before he passed away.

0:34:570:35:02

I would suggest to you...

0:35:020:35:03

..that maybe you're better off not having heard the stories.

0:35:060:35:09

Can't you imagine...

0:35:100:35:12

how horrible it must have been,

0:35:140:35:17

lying in the squalor?

0:35:170:35:19

Who's got to pee next? Who's got to defecate next?

0:35:200:35:23

Where is he going to find a spot to defecate...

0:35:230:35:25

..that hasn't got a body on it?

0:35:270:35:29

How can he tell that story?

0:35:310:35:33

Maybe he had to fight one off to survive.

0:35:350:35:38

We are survivors.

0:35:380:35:39

You know, we're animals in the end.

0:35:410:35:42

We have this gene, or whatever it is

0:35:420:35:45

that makes us want to survive above all.

0:35:450:35:47

So...

0:35:490:35:50

..you could be proud of your father, that he somehow survived.

0:35:530:35:57

Survived enough to have children and raise a family.

0:35:580:36:01

That's good.

0:36:020:36:04

Be happy with that story.

0:36:070:36:08

"People tell me I'm sad, that I sink into melancholy.

0:36:250:36:30

"I know it's hard for people to accept me.

0:36:300:36:35

"My beloved children,

0:36:350:36:37

"I'm still trapped there, even in my happiest moments.

0:36:370:36:41

"I often regret having survived, and I ask, 'Why me of all people?'

0:36:420:36:46

"I am convinced that everyone like me feels the same way.

0:36:480:36:52

"We are all actors."

0:36:520:36:54

When I left the United States,

0:37:060:37:08

I realised that this was as far as I could go

0:37:080:37:11

in search of my father's memoir.

0:37:110:37:13

But one year later, I was informed

0:37:140:37:16

that the Austrians agreed to open the towers for me for a single day.

0:37:160:37:21

I knew I had to go, but this time,

0:37:210:37:23

I insisted that my brothers and sister come with me.

0:37:230:37:27

After all, the father that I had discovered was their father too.

0:37:280:37:33

I had another reason to get everyone together,

0:37:500:37:52

but I won't reveal it now.

0:37:520:37:54

Only Esti knows.

0:37:550:37:56

SPEAKS IN GERMAN

0:39:510:39:54

This was a barrack for those who were able to work.

0:39:560:39:59

They were strictly separated, as we told you before,

0:39:590:40:02

and so everybody who entered a barrack of this kind was able,

0:40:020:40:07

declared to be able to work.

0:40:070:40:08

GUIDE SPEAKS GERMAN

0:40:100:40:13

OK, so every barrack was separated in two parts - Room A, Room B.

0:40:270:40:33

We're now in Room B, and Room A is just a similar thing,

0:40:330:40:36

just mirrored.

0:40:360:40:38

Where is the gas chamber?

0:41:100:41:11

It's here?

0:41:130:41:14

That's where they kill...

0:41:240:41:25

That's the way the gas chambers...

0:41:250:41:26

We must see them. We must.

0:41:280:41:29

We must!

0:41:310:41:32

"My parents and brothers aren't really dead to me,

0:42:000:42:03

"because I didn't see them die.

0:42:030:42:05

"I still can't let go.

0:42:050:42:08

"Sometimes I imagine those last 10 minutes in the gas chamber,

0:42:080:42:12

"how they fought for every last breath of air.

0:42:120:42:15

"I can't stop thinking of that image,

0:42:150:42:18

"but I still fight on, every hour and every minute,

0:42:180:42:21

"so that I don't lose my sanity.

0:42:210:42:24

"Maybe it's my way of taking revenge.

0:42:240:42:27

"Maybe it is just a will to live."

0:42:270:42:30

-How many metres? How many kilometres are these tunnels?

-This is 7.5km.

0:48:330:48:37

So, basically, they built the aeroplanes over here?

0:48:390:48:43

All these tunnels.

0:48:430:48:45

-For the aeroplanes?

-Yes.

0:48:450:48:47

-And how many aeroplanes were built here?

-1,000.

0:48:470:48:49

-What?!

-1,000 aeroplanes.

0:48:490:48:51

"I remember a scene in the tunnel.

0:49:110:49:14

"Five Jews, including a father and son,

0:49:140:49:17

"were holding a log on their shoulders

0:49:170:49:19

"while a red-headed Polish Gentile whipped them like horses.

0:49:190:49:23

"When they put down the log, the Pole ordered the boy,

0:49:260:49:29

"who was about 16, my age, to slap his father.

0:49:290:49:34

"The boy refused.

0:49:340:49:36

"So the Pole slapped him and said, 'Hit him hard, like that.'

0:49:360:49:40

"But the boy still refused.

0:49:400:49:42

"His father pleaded with him in Hungarian, saying,

0:49:430:49:46

"'Slap me hard!'

0:49:460:49:48

"He wanted to stop the Pole from hitting his son.

0:49:480:49:51

"I wondered what I would have done in his place."

0:49:530:49:55

The colour you see, the black, is from the blasting, from the burning.

0:50:130:50:19

I'm just looking for... You see this?

0:51:300:51:33

It says, "Takt 29."

0:51:330:51:37

So this was a step of the production and the plane was on Takt 29.

0:51:370:51:43

For me, this place is so important and so amazing

0:52:180:52:22

because here you see how they built the tunnels.

0:52:220:52:27

And if you look up there,

0:52:270:52:29

you see a lot of scratches and, yeah,

0:52:290:52:32

you see that this is all made by hand.

0:52:320:52:36

And here, I feel, personally, like the workers,

0:52:370:52:43

they just have gone for lunch or whatever.

0:52:430:52:46

They were ten minutes away.

0:52:460:52:49

So this is the place, personally,

0:52:490:52:52

I feel, yeah...not very good here.

0:52:520:52:55

THEY CONTINUE ARGUING

0:53:420:53:46

THEY LAUGH

0:59:400:59:43

THEY LAUGH

1:00:501:00:52

SHE LAUGHS

1:02:501:02:52

CHOIR SINGS

1:04:161:04:19

"There were no roll calls in Gunskirchen.

1:05:261:05:29

"We were not afraid of beatings.

1:05:291:05:32

"We were not given any food.

1:05:321:05:34

"And we felt like no-one was interested in us.

1:05:341:05:37

"The barracks were filled with the living and the dead.

1:05:381:05:42

"There was no room for me, so I slept outside.

1:05:421:05:45

"My will to live was strong

1:05:461:05:48

"because I thought that we were the only Jews left.

1:05:481:05:51

"I was cold, so I snuck into a barracks

1:05:531:05:56

"and fell asleep beside someone who didn't throw me out.

1:05:561:05:59

"You can probably guess why.

1:06:001:06:02

"That's right.

1:06:041:06:05

"I'm not sure I would fight for my life like that now."

1:06:071:06:10

HE SIGHS AND SOBS QUIETLY

1:07:031:07:05

RONEL SIGHS

1:08:331:08:35

ESTI:

1:09:141:09:17

ESTI LAUGHS

1:09:531:09:55

ESTI LAUGHS

1:11:561:11:57

ESTI:

1:13:111:13:13

RONEL:

1:13:201:13:21

ESTI:

1:14:111:14:14

RONEL:

1:14:141:14:17

ESTI:

1:14:521:14:54

THEY LAUGH

1:15:311:15:33

ESTI:

1:15:501:15:51

ESTI:

1:16:041:16:07

GIDEON:

1:16:071:16:09

THEY LAUGH

1:17:351:17:39

"It was time to go home.

1:18:041:18:06

"I was overwhelmed by unspeakable pain.

1:18:071:18:10

"I tried to drown my bitterness in vodka,

1:18:121:18:15

"but soon realised that it was

1:18:151:18:17

"not the solution, because I would throw up after drinking a lot.

1:18:171:18:21

"Worst of all, no-one cared about me.

1:18:221:18:25

"I was so confused, I didn't know what I was doing.

1:18:271:18:31

"I felt guilty for surviving.

1:18:311:18:33

"I felt that way my entire life.

1:18:331:18:36

"I can't break free of it.

1:18:371:18:39

"That's also why I take breaks in my writing.

1:18:391:18:43

"Few people can really understand."

1:18:431:18:46

BEE BUZZES

1:18:521:18:55

ESTI:

1:23:411:23:43

DISTANT CHATTERING OF CHILDREN

1:24:361:24:41

"Today we had a wonderful day.

1:24:461:24:50

"All our boys came for lunch with

1:24:501:24:52

"their wives and our grandchildren.

1:24:521:24:54

"Yuval and Yael asked to spend the night with Grandma and Grandpa.

1:24:541:24:59

"We'll take them home tomorrow.

1:24:591:25:01

"David told Mama how great it is

1:25:021:25:04

"that his children have grandparents.

1:25:041:25:08

"I want to tell you that when I heard this, I shed a tear."

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