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For 225 years, Welsh people have been making the long journey | 0:00:03 | 0:00:07 | |
to start new lives in Australia. | 0:00:07 | 0:00:12 | |
It's not hard to see why, | 0:00:12 | 0:00:14 | |
especially when you swap the Welsh winter for the Australian summer. | 0:00:14 | 0:00:19 | |
We know that Australia over the years has tempted | 0:00:19 | 0:00:22 | |
so many Welsh people to leave home, | 0:00:22 | 0:00:25 | |
to settle in a very different country and to prosper. | 0:00:25 | 0:00:28 | |
Well, I'm on my first visit to Australia and I'm on the trail | 0:00:28 | 0:00:34 | |
of those Welsh migrants past and present, who played a surprisingly | 0:00:34 | 0:00:40 | |
significant role in shaping the story of this great nation. | 0:00:40 | 0:00:46 | |
'It's a wonderfully unexpected journey that takes me through | 0:00:49 | 0:00:53 | |
some of the most beautiful landscape that Australia has to offer... | 0:00:53 | 0:00:57 | |
'..to meet Welshmen who came here in chains... | 0:00:59 | 0:01:02 | |
'..and others who came here looking for gold.' | 0:01:04 | 0:01:07 | |
-Wow, can we call that Welsh gold? -Of course we can. | 0:01:07 | 0:01:11 | |
'We meet a Welsh street cleaner and poet, | 0:01:11 | 0:01:15 | |
'some very Welsh entrepreneurs.' | 0:01:15 | 0:01:18 | |
-Brecwast, please. -Brecwast, OK. | 0:01:18 | 0:01:21 | |
'And an eminent politician...' | 0:01:21 | 0:01:23 | |
-Prime Minister. -Hello, Huw. Lovely to meet you. | 0:01:23 | 0:01:27 | |
'..as well as some of the most recent Welsh arrivals | 0:01:27 | 0:01:30 | |
'who have come to try their luck down under.' | 0:01:30 | 0:01:35 | |
BRASS BAND PLAYS "WALTZING MATILDA" | 0:01:49 | 0:01:56 | |
Today is a fitting opportunity for all of us to reflect | 0:01:56 | 0:02:00 | |
on what it means to be an Australian citizen. | 0:02:00 | 0:02:04 | |
'It's a beautiful sunny Sydney morning and I've come to the suburb | 0:02:04 | 0:02:09 | |
'of Manly Beach to witness a citizenship ceremony. | 0:02:09 | 0:02:12 | |
'After six years in the country, | 0:02:14 | 0:02:16 | |
'Welsh construction manager Ioan Morgan, his wife Naomi | 0:02:16 | 0:02:20 | |
'and their children Rhys and Erin, have decided to become Australians.' | 0:02:20 | 0:02:24 | |
Now, if you would repeat after me, | 0:02:26 | 0:02:29 | |
I pledge my loyalty to Australia and its people. | 0:02:29 | 0:02:34 | |
-ALL: -I pledge my loyalty to Australia and its people. | 0:02:34 | 0:02:39 | |
Ioan is a fiercely proud Welshman | 0:02:39 | 0:02:41 | |
but thanks to the opportunities on offer, | 0:02:41 | 0:02:43 | |
he has no worries about taking this momentous step. | 0:02:43 | 0:02:48 | |
'The work that I'm doing now is phenomenal. | 0:02:48 | 0:02:50 | |
'In Australia if they see that you're serious about being here | 0:02:50 | 0:02:54 | |
'and you're happy to work hard and be a part of society, | 0:02:54 | 0:02:57 | |
'people will support and welcome you extremely well. | 0:02:57 | 0:03:01 | |
Ioan Tudor Morgan. | 0:03:01 | 0:03:04 | |
Rhys Terry Morgan. | 0:03:04 | 0:03:07 | |
And Naomi Anne Morgan. | 0:03:07 | 0:03:11 | |
Welsh families like the Morgans are the most recent chapter | 0:03:11 | 0:03:14 | |
in the story of the Welsh in Australia - | 0:03:14 | 0:03:18 | |
a story that goes back to 1770, | 0:03:18 | 0:03:21 | |
when Captain Cook claimed the eastern part of this vast continent | 0:03:21 | 0:03:24 | |
for Britain and named it New South Wales. | 0:03:24 | 0:03:28 | |
The first Welsh settlers began arriving 18 years later in 1788 | 0:03:30 | 0:03:36 | |
in the port we now know as Sydney. | 0:03:36 | 0:03:41 | |
But few of them had made that long journey of their own free will. | 0:03:41 | 0:03:45 | |
They were criminals, | 0:03:45 | 0:03:47 | |
transported here on the first fleets of convict ships from Britain. | 0:03:47 | 0:03:52 | |
Many of them had been sentenced to spend the rest of their lives | 0:03:52 | 0:03:55 | |
in Australia. | 0:03:55 | 0:03:56 | |
'I've come to Sydney Harbour to talk to Shirley Collis, | 0:03:59 | 0:04:03 | |
'who's traced her own family history | 0:04:03 | 0:04:05 | |
'back to one of those early Welsh convicts. | 0:04:05 | 0:04:09 | |
'Shirley suggested we meet on Circular Quay, | 0:04:09 | 0:04:12 | |
'a significant landmark in the story of those first settlers.' | 0:04:12 | 0:04:17 | |
So where are we here, Shirley? How does this place fit into the story? | 0:04:17 | 0:04:21 | |
Well, this is Sydney Cove | 0:04:21 | 0:04:23 | |
and this, over here, is where the convicts would have landed. | 0:04:23 | 0:04:26 | |
-That side? -And all of this would have been open space. | 0:04:26 | 0:04:29 | |
The only sign of human occupation | 0:04:29 | 0:04:32 | |
would have been the Aboriginal people fishing in little boats and whatnot, | 0:04:32 | 0:04:35 | |
maybe a fire, smoke going up, every headland would have been | 0:04:35 | 0:04:39 | |
heavily wooded. They swing round here into the bay and they drop anchor. | 0:04:39 | 0:04:44 | |
Shirley's Welsh ancestor, Ann Smith, | 0:04:48 | 0:04:51 | |
was only 20 when she arrived in the penal colony in 1804. | 0:04:51 | 0:04:56 | |
At the time, the convicts weren't imprisoned | 0:04:58 | 0:05:01 | |
but lived mostly in tents and huts on the hill above the harbour | 0:05:01 | 0:05:05 | |
in the district now known as The Rocks. | 0:05:05 | 0:05:09 | |
Many of the women had been sent to the colony | 0:05:11 | 0:05:15 | |
as little more than breeding stock. | 0:05:15 | 0:05:17 | |
Without protection, | 0:05:17 | 0:05:19 | |
the majority ended up turning to prostitution to survive. | 0:05:19 | 0:05:22 | |
So it was probably no bad thing that only four months after she landed, | 0:05:25 | 0:05:30 | |
Ann Smith walked into Sydney's first church, St Philips, | 0:05:30 | 0:05:34 | |
on the arm of a fellow convict. | 0:05:34 | 0:05:39 | |
You can see here both of them were technically illiterate. | 0:05:39 | 0:05:42 | |
Ann Smith, her mark. Robert Bolton, his mark. November 3rd, 1804. | 0:05:42 | 0:05:49 | |
Where was Ann from? Have you found out where she came from in Wales? | 0:05:49 | 0:05:52 | |
She came from Brecon. | 0:05:52 | 0:05:54 | |
She was arrested for stealing household goods, mostly clothing, | 0:05:54 | 0:06:00 | |
breaking and entering the house. | 0:06:00 | 0:06:03 | |
She could have been sentenced to death but she got seven years instead | 0:06:03 | 0:06:07 | |
and transportation to New South Wales. | 0:06:07 | 0:06:09 | |
Here's a tricky question. | 0:06:09 | 0:06:12 | |
Some people might think that fact, having convicts in your background, | 0:06:12 | 0:06:15 | |
is something to be, I don't know, slightly embarrassed about or even, | 0:06:15 | 0:06:18 | |
for some people, maybe ashamed about. | 0:06:18 | 0:06:20 | |
Does that exist, that feeling, or not? | 0:06:20 | 0:06:22 | |
It did when I first started my family research in 1974 | 0:06:22 | 0:06:26 | |
but it doesn't any more. | 0:06:26 | 0:06:28 | |
People are now proud, interested. | 0:06:28 | 0:06:30 | |
They want to know what their background is, want to know where they came from. | 0:06:30 | 0:06:34 | |
Anyone looking at you today, Shirley, will realise | 0:06:34 | 0:06:37 | |
you've got plenty of Welsh emblems, which is great to see. | 0:06:37 | 0:06:40 | |
Why is that important for you to hold on to that sense of identity? | 0:06:40 | 0:06:44 | |
Australia is a very, very polyglot nation. | 0:06:44 | 0:06:47 | |
Our people have come from all over the land but we need to know where we've come from. | 0:06:47 | 0:06:52 | |
We need to know what our heritage is. The Welsh blend in. | 0:06:52 | 0:06:54 | |
They don't carry on. | 0:06:54 | 0:06:57 | |
They don't make a song and dance about being Welsh | 0:06:57 | 0:06:59 | |
-but it's there and, what's the word, Hiraeth? -Hiraeth. | 0:06:59 | 0:07:04 | |
You know, when I listen to Welsh music when I hear a choir in full, | 0:07:04 | 0:07:10 | |
quite often I've got tears in my eye. | 0:07:10 | 0:07:12 | |
Something happens within me that says I am Welsh. | 0:07:12 | 0:07:16 | |
Ann Smith and her husband Robert | 0:07:17 | 0:07:19 | |
did pretty well out of transportation. | 0:07:19 | 0:07:21 | |
They did their time, they had a family | 0:07:21 | 0:07:24 | |
and ended up with land and property, | 0:07:24 | 0:07:27 | |
but they were definitely among the lucky ones. | 0:07:27 | 0:07:31 | |
My next destination is the island of Tasmania, | 0:07:31 | 0:07:34 | |
1,000 kilometres south of Sydney. | 0:07:34 | 0:07:38 | |
I'm heading for Port Arthur to explore one of the darkest chapters | 0:07:41 | 0:07:46 | |
of the transportation story | 0:07:46 | 0:07:48 | |
and to find out about one particularly famous Welshman | 0:07:48 | 0:07:51 | |
who survived the ordeal. | 0:07:51 | 0:07:53 | |
Today Tasmania is known for its pristine landscapes, | 0:07:55 | 0:07:59 | |
its dramatic coastline, | 0:07:59 | 0:08:01 | |
its nature reserves, | 0:08:01 | 0:08:03 | |
and its status as an ideal holiday destination. | 0:08:03 | 0:08:07 | |
But back in the early 19th century, | 0:08:07 | 0:08:09 | |
Port Arthur was the maximum high security prison camp | 0:08:09 | 0:08:13 | |
for the toughest convicts, | 0:08:13 | 0:08:16 | |
and when they stepped off the ship on this jetty | 0:08:16 | 0:08:18 | |
they were setting foot, not in Tasmania as we call it today, | 0:08:18 | 0:08:22 | |
but in a dark place known then as Van Diemen's Land. | 0:08:22 | 0:08:26 | |
Remote and inaccessible and guarded by attack dogs, | 0:08:33 | 0:08:36 | |
this was a labour camp from which the inmates were set to | 0:08:36 | 0:08:40 | |
work in forests and quarries and mines. | 0:08:40 | 0:08:44 | |
It was run by the military, and prisoners were constantly | 0:08:44 | 0:08:48 | |
under threat of vicious corporal punishment. | 0:08:48 | 0:08:51 | |
Among the thousands sent here was a Welsh revolutionary | 0:08:53 | 0:08:56 | |
by the name of Zephaniah Williams. | 0:08:56 | 0:09:00 | |
Williams was one of the leaders of the Chartist Movement, | 0:09:00 | 0:09:04 | |
a radical 19th-century campaign demanding social equality. | 0:09:04 | 0:09:09 | |
He was sentenced to death | 0:09:09 | 0:09:10 | |
for his role in a large demonstration in Newport. | 0:09:10 | 0:09:14 | |
He escaped the noose but instead was transported to Port Arthur. | 0:09:14 | 0:09:19 | |
David Martin Jones is a Welsh historian based in Australia | 0:09:23 | 0:09:26 | |
with a particular interest in Zephaniah Williams | 0:09:26 | 0:09:29 | |
and his remarkable story. | 0:09:29 | 0:09:31 | |
David explained how the Port Arthur authorities decided to take | 0:09:33 | 0:09:37 | |
advantage of Williams' experience and posted him up country | 0:09:37 | 0:09:41 | |
with the unenviable task of controlling a remote coal mine | 0:09:41 | 0:09:44 | |
at a place called Saltwater River. | 0:09:44 | 0:09:47 | |
So what happens to Williams while he's here? | 0:09:48 | 0:09:51 | |
Basically, he's in charge of 30 convict miners. | 0:09:51 | 0:09:55 | |
Convict mining is tough work. It's nasty, it's dirty, | 0:09:55 | 0:10:02 | |
and, you know, it's a kind of a punishment in itself, | 0:10:02 | 0:10:06 | |
so those who are doing this job are always threatening to run away. | 0:10:06 | 0:10:12 | |
The problem for Williams was, | 0:10:12 | 0:10:14 | |
as the overseer, he was supposed to stop them running away. | 0:10:14 | 0:10:19 | |
What happens is four of the convicts leg it into the bush. | 0:10:19 | 0:10:24 | |
He, as a responsible overseer, chases after them. | 0:10:24 | 0:10:28 | |
He catches up with them and they make him an offer he can't refuse - | 0:10:28 | 0:10:32 | |
either you come with us or we'll kill you. | 0:10:32 | 0:10:36 | |
He's taken with them a few miles into the bush. | 0:10:36 | 0:10:39 | |
They then stuff him in a tree that's burnt out and run off. | 0:10:39 | 0:10:44 | |
-He's got no food or water. -They abandon him, basically? | 0:10:44 | 0:10:47 | |
Abandon him, yeah. | 0:10:47 | 0:10:49 | |
'Williams found himself in an impossible position. | 0:10:51 | 0:10:55 | |
'When he finally made his way out of the wilderness and handed | 0:10:55 | 0:10:58 | |
'himself over to the authorities, his account of events was ignored.' | 0:10:58 | 0:11:02 | |
So what kind of punishment does he then face? | 0:11:06 | 0:11:08 | |
We're talking about an intelligent man, well educated, | 0:11:08 | 0:11:13 | |
subjected to being chained for two years doing hard labour, | 0:11:13 | 0:11:19 | |
breaking rocks, locked to two murderers. | 0:11:19 | 0:11:23 | |
And at night, he's taken to a special cell of six foot by four | 0:11:26 | 0:11:32 | |
where he can hardly sleep and he's there for 16 weeks. | 0:11:32 | 0:11:37 | |
And he still emerges from that and still rebuilds his life later on. | 0:11:40 | 0:11:44 | |
He's a remarkably strong character. | 0:11:44 | 0:11:46 | |
Strong, resilient, innovative... | 0:11:46 | 0:11:51 | |
-Robust Welsh stock, I think. -I think we can say that, yes. | 0:11:51 | 0:11:55 | |
What fascinates me about this story is that after Williams was | 0:11:58 | 0:12:02 | |
eventually released and then pardoned, he went on to become | 0:12:02 | 0:12:06 | |
a successful entrepreneur in the Tasmanian coal industry. | 0:12:06 | 0:12:10 | |
He arranged for his wife and his children to emigrate here | 0:12:10 | 0:12:13 | |
from South Wales and encouraged 40 Welsh miners to make the journey | 0:12:13 | 0:12:17 | |
with offers of work and land. | 0:12:17 | 0:12:20 | |
Williams had come to Tasmania as a notorious criminal | 0:12:23 | 0:12:27 | |
but when he passed away at the age of 80, | 0:12:27 | 0:12:30 | |
he was a well known and prosperous settler. | 0:12:30 | 0:12:33 | |
The first Welshmen who came to Australia of their own free will | 0:12:38 | 0:12:42 | |
were mostly miners and the city they sailed to was Adelaide. | 0:12:42 | 0:12:48 | |
I travelled there to the capital of South Australia, | 0:12:48 | 0:12:51 | |
on the trail of those early immigrants | 0:12:51 | 0:12:54 | |
and was delighted to discover there are still Welsh miners in Adelaide | 0:12:54 | 0:12:59 | |
and they're keeping the home flag flying. | 0:12:59 | 0:13:04 | |
# Pat a Janet ac Elsie a Glen | 0:13:04 | 0:13:07 | |
# Pat a Janet ac Elsie a Glen | 0:13:07 | 0:13:11 | |
# Pat a Janet ac Elsie a Glen. # | 0:13:11 | 0:13:13 | |
-Helo, bore da. -Bore da, sut ydych chi? | 0:13:13 | 0:13:15 | |
-Huw Edwards. Neis i weld chi. -A chithe. -Yn Adelaide fan hyn. | 0:13:15 | 0:13:19 | |
-'Wi ishe brecwast, plis. -Brecwast, OK. | 0:13:19 | 0:13:22 | |
'Charles Harris is a miner and quarryman from West Wales | 0:13:22 | 0:13:25 | |
'and he and his wife Ann run a very distinctive coffee shop | 0:13:25 | 0:13:28 | |
'in one of Adelaide's central suburbs.' | 0:13:28 | 0:13:31 | |
A coffi. Flat white neu rhywbeth. Diolch yn fawr. | 0:13:31 | 0:13:35 | |
-Iawn, dim problem. -Diolch. | 0:13:35 | 0:13:37 | |
# Yn llewys fy nghrys Caf wy, chips a pys | 0:13:37 | 0:13:41 | |
# Ag wrth dalu y bill Mi gaf wen gan | 0:13:41 | 0:13:46 | |
# Pat a Janet ac Elsie a Glen. # | 0:13:46 | 0:13:49 | |
It's lovely to see you. | 0:13:49 | 0:13:51 | |
I can't believe there's such a Welsh enclave in Adelaide. | 0:13:51 | 0:13:54 | |
How did you end up here, Ann? | 0:13:54 | 0:13:57 | |
It sort of started off... | 0:13:57 | 0:13:59 | |
we moved to Australia about four and a half years ago | 0:13:59 | 0:14:02 | |
and we were on a business visa and were looking for a new business, | 0:14:02 | 0:14:05 | |
and we happened to be in here one day drinking coffee | 0:14:05 | 0:14:08 | |
and got talking to the owner and he said the cafe was for sale, | 0:14:08 | 0:14:11 | |
and we just sort of said, "OK, we might be interested," didn't we? | 0:14:11 | 0:14:15 | |
We bought the place but needed to do something different | 0:14:15 | 0:14:18 | |
because it was a bit rundown | 0:14:18 | 0:14:19 | |
and, being from Wales, we thought, "Let's do a Welsh cafe." | 0:14:19 | 0:14:22 | |
At what point, Ann, did you realise you had a success on your hands? | 0:14:22 | 0:14:26 | |
The first day we actually opened | 0:14:26 | 0:14:28 | |
somebody came in and asked for Welsh cakes | 0:14:28 | 0:14:30 | |
and I said, "Oh, I'm sorry, I haven't got any Welsh cakes, | 0:14:30 | 0:14:33 | |
"but we'll have some tomorrow," and it just came from there that | 0:14:33 | 0:14:36 | |
they started asking for faggots and peas, and then somebody | 0:14:36 | 0:14:40 | |
came in one day and said, "Oh, I bet you haven't got any laverbread?" | 0:14:40 | 0:14:43 | |
-That is a challenge. -Yeah. "Not at the moment." | 0:14:43 | 0:14:46 | |
But we do actually sell laverbread now. | 0:14:46 | 0:14:48 | |
We actually get laverbread and cockles in from Burry Port. | 0:14:48 | 0:14:51 | |
-From Burry Port? -Yes, yeah. -I'm very pleased to hear it. | 0:14:51 | 0:14:54 | |
-That's a very good part of the world. -Yes, yes. | 0:14:54 | 0:14:57 | |
Getting into the cafe business, it's been a challenge for us | 0:14:57 | 0:15:01 | |
because I've never cooked, I never baked nothing in my life before | 0:15:01 | 0:15:04 | |
and now I can turn breakfasts out in no time. | 0:15:04 | 0:15:07 | |
You mean to say you're behind the counter cooking breakfasts? | 0:15:07 | 0:15:10 | |
-For the first two years, yes, I was. -I'm full of admiration. I really am. | 0:15:10 | 0:15:15 | |
'Ann and Charles are in a long tradition of Welsh mining families | 0:15:15 | 0:15:19 | |
'who have shown their ability to thrive | 0:15:19 | 0:15:21 | |
'in the unfamiliar Australian climate.' | 0:15:21 | 0:15:24 | |
I'm now on the road out of Adelaide, heading for a town called Burra. | 0:15:29 | 0:15:34 | |
It's a pretty hot day and I'm on the trail of some of the first | 0:15:34 | 0:15:38 | |
Welsh miners in Australia, | 0:15:38 | 0:15:40 | |
tempted here by the demand for their expertise in the copper industry | 0:15:40 | 0:15:45 | |
during the late 1840s. | 0:15:45 | 0:15:47 | |
My driver and companion, Jason Shute, | 0:15:54 | 0:15:56 | |
is a Welshman living in Adelaide | 0:15:56 | 0:15:59 | |
and is an expert on this early group of Welsh settlers. | 0:15:59 | 0:16:02 | |
This stretch we're on now, where are we heading to now, cos this is...? | 0:16:04 | 0:16:08 | |
We're still heading up the old Bullock Dray Road | 0:16:08 | 0:16:10 | |
from Adelaide to Burra itself. | 0:16:10 | 0:16:15 | |
The conditions of that journey for them, what would they have been? | 0:16:15 | 0:16:20 | |
Well, today we should have temperatures | 0:16:20 | 0:16:23 | |
of about 32 degrees centigrade up in Burra itself. | 0:16:23 | 0:16:27 | |
It's a lovely day but it was a wet season when they arrived. | 0:16:27 | 0:16:32 | |
-That might have felt a bit Welsh to them, I don't know. -Yeah. | 0:16:32 | 0:16:37 | |
They really were going to the absolute limits of the Empire, | 0:16:37 | 0:16:41 | |
if you like, at that time. | 0:16:41 | 0:16:43 | |
-And that's where we're heading now? -Towards Burra itself, yes. | 0:16:43 | 0:16:47 | |
Today Burra is a beautifully preserved little Victorian town - | 0:16:58 | 0:17:03 | |
a testament to the wealth generated by Burra's so-called Monster Mine, | 0:17:03 | 0:17:08 | |
but Jason was keen to show me that back in the late 1840s, when the | 0:17:08 | 0:17:12 | |
first Welsh miners arrived, the accommodation was rather different. | 0:17:12 | 0:17:17 | |
We parked near a dry river bed above the town. | 0:17:17 | 0:17:21 | |
What is significant about the place you've brought me to here? | 0:17:24 | 0:17:27 | |
Well, we're standing in one of the tributary creeks to the | 0:17:27 | 0:17:30 | |
Burra Creek itself and it's these water courses which flow | 0:17:30 | 0:17:34 | |
well in winter that make a community possible in this arid | 0:17:34 | 0:17:37 | |
-part of the world. -They're drawn to the water, basically? | 0:17:37 | 0:17:40 | |
Yes, that's got to support the community. | 0:17:40 | 0:17:44 | |
As far as living is concerned, of course, | 0:17:44 | 0:17:46 | |
there's not much in the way of accommodation, if anything at all. | 0:17:46 | 0:17:50 | |
So what does a miner do? | 0:17:50 | 0:17:51 | |
He takes his pick and shovel and he digs himself | 0:17:51 | 0:17:55 | |
and his family a home | 0:17:55 | 0:17:57 | |
and these dugouts which extend down these tributaries, | 0:17:57 | 0:18:01 | |
along the Burra Creek for well over a mile are soon | 0:18:01 | 0:18:05 | |
accommodating as many as 1,800 people. | 0:18:05 | 0:18:08 | |
-They're living in these holes? -In these holes. | 0:18:08 | 0:18:11 | |
Men, women and children and indeed their animals - | 0:18:11 | 0:18:14 | |
pigs, chickens, the lot. | 0:18:14 | 0:18:15 | |
The first thing that strikes you, Jason, | 0:18:15 | 0:18:18 | |
is the potential for enormous health problems. | 0:18:18 | 0:18:22 | |
Well, that is a major drawback, of course, | 0:18:22 | 0:18:25 | |
and typhoid is a problem and certainly infant mortality is | 0:18:25 | 0:18:30 | |
very high while these dugouts are being used. | 0:18:30 | 0:18:32 | |
In this state, it does look incredibly basic and barren | 0:18:32 | 0:18:38 | |
and rather grim really, but I'm assuming it looked rather different | 0:18:38 | 0:18:42 | |
when people actually lived in them? | 0:18:42 | 0:18:43 | |
Yes, they did the best they could, certainly. | 0:18:43 | 0:18:46 | |
Most of them were whitewashed inside, | 0:18:46 | 0:18:48 | |
some of them even wallpapered and carpets on the floor as well. | 0:18:48 | 0:18:52 | |
-One was certainly used as a hotel. -One of these was used as a hotel? | 0:18:52 | 0:18:57 | |
One of these, religious services were held in them, and the upside, | 0:18:57 | 0:19:01 | |
of course, was coolness because you know now, coming in from the very | 0:19:01 | 0:19:05 | |
-hot temperature out there, that this is very pleasant. -Any snakes around? | 0:19:05 | 0:19:10 | |
-We hope not. Maybe we should have looked first. -I hope not! | 0:19:10 | 0:19:13 | |
It's not top of my list of favourite things. | 0:19:13 | 0:19:15 | |
I notice you are leading out! HUW LAUGHS | 0:19:15 | 0:19:18 | |
From the miners' cave dwellings, Jason took me up to the site | 0:19:19 | 0:19:23 | |
of the giant, Welsh-built copper works | 0:19:23 | 0:19:26 | |
that once employed over 1,000 men and boys. | 0:19:26 | 0:19:29 | |
We've only got footings to see now, unfortunately, | 0:19:30 | 0:19:33 | |
but you get the perspective down there, 200 feet of workspace, | 0:19:33 | 0:19:38 | |
rather grandly built classical facade. | 0:19:38 | 0:19:41 | |
Too elegantly built, some said, | 0:19:41 | 0:19:43 | |
compared with the works in the Swansea valley at the time - | 0:19:43 | 0:19:46 | |
a chapel of industry. | 0:19:46 | 0:19:49 | |
I know today isn't that hot for you because you're used to it. | 0:19:49 | 0:19:52 | |
It's very hot for me and I'm just thinking, working near these | 0:19:52 | 0:19:56 | |
furnaces in what could be extreme heat outside as well, | 0:19:56 | 0:20:00 | |
I mean, the conditions must have been very difficult. | 0:20:00 | 0:20:02 | |
Yes, here we are in about maybe 32 today and could you imagine it | 0:20:02 | 0:20:06 | |
at 40 or 42 degrees in the temperature in the air | 0:20:06 | 0:20:10 | |
and you're stood working before | 0:20:10 | 0:20:13 | |
an absolutely broiling hot furnace there? | 0:20:13 | 0:20:16 | |
And, of course, when some new men came | 0:20:19 | 0:20:22 | |
they were just gawping at the experienced men | 0:20:22 | 0:20:26 | |
standing before these furnaces, as Superintendant Thomas Williams said, | 0:20:26 | 0:20:30 | |
"At the men melting before the furnaces." | 0:20:30 | 0:20:33 | |
The heyday of copper at Burra was over only 20 years after it began, | 0:20:39 | 0:20:45 | |
but it was the first of many occasions when the Welsh played | 0:20:45 | 0:20:49 | |
a vital role in Australian mining, | 0:20:49 | 0:20:52 | |
an industry that still makes a significant contribution | 0:20:52 | 0:20:55 | |
to the Australian economy. | 0:20:55 | 0:20:57 | |
From the state of South Australia, | 0:21:13 | 0:21:16 | |
I'm heading to neighbouring Victoria and the grand city of Melbourne. | 0:21:16 | 0:21:20 | |
Just a couple of years after the boom in Burra, | 0:21:22 | 0:21:25 | |
Melbourne docks began welcoming a tidal wave of miners | 0:21:25 | 0:21:29 | |
and fortune seekers from all over the globe, | 0:21:29 | 0:21:32 | |
but these men weren't here for the copper. | 0:21:32 | 0:21:35 | |
The majority of them, including men from all over Wales, | 0:21:36 | 0:21:40 | |
came off the ships and hit the road. | 0:21:40 | 0:21:42 | |
The story of copper is significant, | 0:21:44 | 0:21:46 | |
but, believe me, it is nothing compared to what happens next. | 0:21:46 | 0:21:51 | |
Because the thing that transforms Australia, | 0:21:51 | 0:21:54 | |
the thing that turns everything upside down, | 0:21:54 | 0:21:56 | |
the thing that brings hundreds of thousands of people rushing here, | 0:21:56 | 0:22:00 | |
is the discovery of gold. | 0:22:00 | 0:22:02 | |
So I'm making my way North West from Melbourne, | 0:22:02 | 0:22:06 | |
deep into the state of Victoria. | 0:22:06 | 0:22:09 | |
I'm in my very comfortable air-conditioned car | 0:22:09 | 0:22:13 | |
and I'm thinking of thousands of Welsh migrants, | 0:22:13 | 0:22:16 | |
prospectors, making their way on foot, | 0:22:16 | 0:22:20 | |
in the heat and dust, through these very fields, | 0:22:20 | 0:22:24 | |
many of them making their way towards a town called Ballarat. | 0:22:24 | 0:22:28 | |
Ballarat's gold rush, rather vividly brought to life | 0:22:43 | 0:22:47 | |
here at the Sovereign Hill Museum, | 0:22:47 | 0:22:49 | |
is a pretty astonishing moment in history. | 0:22:49 | 0:22:53 | |
18 months after gold was discovered here, | 0:22:53 | 0:22:55 | |
the population grew from just a handful of people to 20,000 | 0:22:55 | 0:23:00 | |
and very quickly the creeks that flowed out of the Ballarat hills | 0:23:00 | 0:23:05 | |
were lined with rows of panhandlers. | 0:23:05 | 0:23:07 | |
So I decided to try my luck and give it a go. | 0:23:10 | 0:23:13 | |
-The trick to gold is its weight. -Right. | 0:23:14 | 0:23:16 | |
-It's three-and-a-half times heavier than lead. -Right. | 0:23:16 | 0:23:19 | |
So, mixed in with a lot of water, we get it really filled with water | 0:23:19 | 0:23:24 | |
and give it a swish like that. | 0:23:24 | 0:23:26 | |
All our gold will sink to the bottom. | 0:23:26 | 0:23:28 | |
To the bottom of the pan, OK. | 0:23:28 | 0:23:30 | |
So, we'll do that for a little while, just to get the water | 0:23:30 | 0:23:33 | |
-swishing through to make sure all that gold sits in the bottom. -Yeah. | 0:23:33 | 0:23:37 | |
Now, when we get down to this amount here. | 0:23:37 | 0:23:40 | |
It's not what I'd call submersion | 0:23:40 | 0:23:42 | |
so if we're moving on an angle we move slowly forward | 0:23:42 | 0:23:45 | |
-and bring it back quickly in the water like that. -OK, OK. | 0:23:45 | 0:23:48 | |
As you can see, all the larger rocks are coming out | 0:23:48 | 0:23:52 | |
and we're being left with the finest sand. | 0:23:52 | 0:23:55 | |
Yeah, got you. | 0:23:55 | 0:23:57 | |
So, these guys coming out here during the height of the rush, | 0:23:57 | 0:24:00 | |
some of them struck lucky. Lots of them, of course, | 0:24:00 | 0:24:03 | |
came here and I would imagine, they didn't really make it at all. | 0:24:03 | 0:24:06 | |
No, they said that one in ten made it rich, | 0:24:06 | 0:24:08 | |
and the other eight out of ten could make a living and survive, | 0:24:08 | 0:24:13 | |
find enough gold to keep going and one out of those ten also, | 0:24:13 | 0:24:16 | |
he'd be destitute, and then find nothing. | 0:24:16 | 0:24:19 | |
So it wasn't bad odds to make a living but not everyone | 0:24:19 | 0:24:21 | |
made it rich but a lot of people were able to support themselves. | 0:24:21 | 0:24:25 | |
Yeah, yeah. | 0:24:25 | 0:24:26 | |
-We have got that down to a small amount now. -Yeah. | 0:24:26 | 0:24:28 | |
When we get to this point, I tend to use a circular motion. | 0:24:28 | 0:24:32 | |
If I bring the water around, just so it starts to remove the sand, | 0:24:32 | 0:24:37 | |
you can see there... | 0:24:37 | 0:24:40 | |
-Yes! Gosh, yes. -There we go. | 0:24:42 | 0:24:44 | |
Wow! | 0:24:44 | 0:24:45 | |
-Can we call that Welsh gold? -Of course we can! | 0:24:45 | 0:24:48 | |
Unmistakable. | 0:24:49 | 0:24:51 | |
-Not a bad little haul for one pan. -Not a lot but more than I've got. | 0:24:51 | 0:24:54 | |
100 or 200 pans of that a day, and you'd be going all right. | 0:24:54 | 0:24:59 | |
By the end of the 1850s | 0:25:01 | 0:25:04 | |
there were around 2,000 Welsh men and women living in Ballarat. | 0:25:04 | 0:25:09 | |
They were part of an extraordinary melting pot | 0:25:09 | 0:25:12 | |
of Chinese people, | 0:25:12 | 0:25:14 | |
there were Americans too, | 0:25:14 | 0:25:16 | |
and Europeans, including plenty of English, Scots and Irish. | 0:25:16 | 0:25:21 | |
Very quickly the initially chaotic fields of tents | 0:25:24 | 0:25:28 | |
gave way to a busy industrial town, | 0:25:28 | 0:25:30 | |
awash with money... and ways of spending it. | 0:25:30 | 0:25:33 | |
But, for the Welsh, this was also a society | 0:25:35 | 0:25:37 | |
that allowed them religious freedom of expression | 0:25:37 | 0:25:41 | |
and where many continued to speak in the Welsh language. | 0:25:41 | 0:25:44 | |
In the heart of the real Ballarat is a venerable building | 0:25:46 | 0:25:50 | |
known as the Mechanics Institute - | 0:25:50 | 0:25:52 | |
a centre for the education and entertainment of working people | 0:25:52 | 0:25:56 | |
and a place that tells us something about the scale | 0:25:56 | 0:25:59 | |
of Welsh cultural activity in the town. | 0:25:59 | 0:26:02 | |
Jan Croggon is a local historian who was keen to show us around. | 0:26:02 | 0:26:06 | |
-Right. -Well! It's impressive. | 0:26:10 | 0:26:13 | |
I've brought you here to show you one of the real links | 0:26:13 | 0:26:16 | |
to the Welsh in Ballarat and their presence here. | 0:26:16 | 0:26:18 | |
This is the Great Hall, as it was known, of the Mechanics Institute | 0:26:18 | 0:26:22 | |
-in Ballarat. -It's impressive. -It's beautiful isn't it, | 0:26:22 | 0:26:25 | |
it's been restored to its original glory. | 0:26:25 | 0:26:27 | |
It's incredible that they brought all of that tradition with them. | 0:26:27 | 0:26:31 | |
And, in this Grand Hall, I have to say, | 0:26:31 | 0:26:33 | |
far grander than the little chapel vestries and halls | 0:26:33 | 0:26:37 | |
-you'd have had in Wales at that time. -Almost certainly. | 0:26:37 | 0:26:40 | |
I've not been to those parts of Wales, | 0:26:40 | 0:26:42 | |
but Ballarat really did have tabs on itself, I suppose, | 0:26:42 | 0:26:47 | |
and whatever it built, because it was rich, | 0:26:47 | 0:26:49 | |
there was gold around, there was a lot of money | 0:26:49 | 0:26:51 | |
and they were building great big buildings | 0:26:51 | 0:26:53 | |
and they wanted to show how well they'd done and they wanted to | 0:26:53 | 0:26:56 | |
not only reproduce but improve and make better | 0:26:56 | 0:27:00 | |
what they'd brought with them. And we know for an absolute fact | 0:27:00 | 0:27:03 | |
that there was at least one Eisteddfod held in this very room | 0:27:03 | 0:27:06 | |
-in 1863, it was a two-day affair. -1863. -1863. | 0:27:06 | 0:27:09 | |
If it was a two-day affair that's a very serious Eisteddfod, | 0:27:09 | 0:27:12 | |
-I have to say. -Absolutely. -Dead serious, yes. | 0:27:12 | 0:27:15 | |
-In this very hall. -In this very room, so these walls | 0:27:15 | 0:27:18 | |
echoed to the sounds of Welsh recitals | 0:27:18 | 0:27:20 | |
and Welsh choirs and the whole thing. | 0:27:20 | 0:27:23 | |
# Myfanwy boed yr holl o'th fywyd | 0:27:23 | 0:27:31 | |
# Dan heulwen ddisglair canol dydd. # | 0:27:33 | 0:27:39 | |
One of the Welshmen who attended and performed | 0:27:43 | 0:27:46 | |
at the Ballarat Eisteddfod on a number of occasions | 0:27:46 | 0:27:50 | |
was a farmer from West Wales, by the name of Joseph Jenkins. | 0:27:50 | 0:27:54 | |
Jenkins was an extraordinary character | 0:27:57 | 0:28:00 | |
who worked and travelled extensively in rural Victoria. | 0:28:00 | 0:28:04 | |
He arrived here at the age of 50, having left his home | 0:28:05 | 0:28:09 | |
and his troubled marriage in the middle of the night. | 0:28:09 | 0:28:12 | |
He went on to spend the next 25 years in Australia | 0:28:12 | 0:28:16 | |
working as a manual labourer, | 0:28:16 | 0:28:18 | |
during which time he wrote a detailed and fascinating diary. | 0:28:18 | 0:28:22 | |
I've driven to the town of Maldon about 50 miles north-east | 0:28:27 | 0:28:31 | |
of Ballarat, where in 1885, at the age of 67, | 0:28:31 | 0:28:36 | |
Jenkins finally managed to secure long-term employment | 0:28:36 | 0:28:40 | |
maintaining the town's network of drains. | 0:28:40 | 0:28:43 | |
It was a job that gave him a wonderfully down-to-earth | 0:28:46 | 0:28:49 | |
perspective on Australia and its inhabitants. | 0:28:49 | 0:28:52 | |
"This is a glorious country, but badly managed. | 0:28:54 | 0:28:58 | |
"Gold, gold, gold is on every tongue, | 0:28:58 | 0:29:01 | |
"while the soil is shamefully neglected. Each man..." | 0:29:01 | 0:29:05 | |
"I met an Aborigine. He seemed half-starved. | 0:29:05 | 0:29:08 | |
"I took him into my cottage and invited him to share a meal with me, | 0:29:08 | 0:29:11 | |
"and I shared my blankets with him. | 0:29:11 | 0:29:14 | |
"It is Sunday evening, the church and chapel bells are ringing | 0:29:14 | 0:29:18 | |
"and the Salvation Army band is playing. | 0:29:18 | 0:29:21 | |
"This small town is full of religious buildings, | 0:29:21 | 0:29:25 | |
"but the stay-at-homes outnumber all the other denominations. | 0:29:25 | 0:29:28 | |
"Many spend their Sundays with their guns in the bush." | 0:29:28 | 0:29:31 | |
Jenkins' diary, a book that's familiar to many Australian schoolchildren, | 0:29:33 | 0:29:38 | |
contains entries on everything - politics, agriculture, local crime, | 0:29:38 | 0:29:43 | |
the Australian weather and plenty of comments about the Welsh. | 0:29:43 | 0:29:48 | |
Well, Joseph does tend to change his tune a little bit | 0:29:48 | 0:29:51 | |
about his fellow Welsh in Australia. Listen to this... | 0:29:51 | 0:29:54 | |
"All nationalists in this colony stick together selfishly. | 0:29:54 | 0:29:58 | |
"The Welsh are quite to the contrary. | 0:29:58 | 0:30:00 | |
"They do not heed a man's colour or nationality | 0:30:00 | 0:30:03 | |
"as long as he acts straightforwardly. | 0:30:03 | 0:30:05 | |
"I do believe that they prove the best colonists of any nation." | 0:30:05 | 0:30:10 | |
And then, listen to this. | 0:30:10 | 0:30:12 | |
"The Welsh people in Australia show great indifference | 0:30:12 | 0:30:15 | |
"to honouring their national day, St David's Day, | 0:30:15 | 0:30:18 | |
"and to keeping their language. | 0:30:18 | 0:30:20 | |
"The Irish, on the other hand, join together to honour St Patrick | 0:30:20 | 0:30:23 | |
"and form their separate societies." | 0:30:23 | 0:30:27 | |
Having it both ways, I think. | 0:30:27 | 0:30:30 | |
BELL RINGS | 0:30:30 | 0:30:33 | |
WHISTLE BLOWS | 0:30:33 | 0:30:35 | |
Jenkins lived in the State of Victoria for 25 years | 0:30:35 | 0:30:40 | |
before deciding to head back to Wales at the age 76. | 0:30:40 | 0:30:45 | |
By the time he boarded that train home, | 0:30:45 | 0:30:48 | |
Australia was changing rapidly. | 0:30:48 | 0:30:50 | |
As the 19th century drew to a close, | 0:30:55 | 0:30:57 | |
most immigrants were proudly turning themselves into Australians. | 0:30:57 | 0:31:01 | |
Many chose to leave their old national identities behind them. | 0:31:01 | 0:31:05 | |
But back in the centre of Melbourne, | 0:31:12 | 0:31:14 | |
there is one Welsh institution | 0:31:14 | 0:31:17 | |
from the gold-rush era | 0:31:17 | 0:31:19 | |
that is still thriving. | 0:31:19 | 0:31:21 | |
# Calon lan yn llawn daioni | 0:31:21 | 0:31:24 | |
# Tecach yw na'r lili dlos | 0:31:24 | 0:31:29 | |
# Dim ond calon lan all ganu | 0:31:29 | 0:31:36 | |
# Canu'r dydd a chanu'r nos. # | 0:31:36 | 0:31:45 | |
Croeso cynnes i gwasanaeth Cymraeg cyntaf y flwyddyn... | 0:31:49 | 0:31:52 | |
'The present minister of the Welsh Church in Melbourne | 0:31:52 | 0:31:55 | |
'is the Reverend Sion Gough Hughes, | 0:31:55 | 0:31:57 | |
'who's very proud of the chapel's Noncomformist tradition.' | 0:31:57 | 0:32:00 | |
'It started out at the beginning of the 20th century | 0:32:00 | 0:32:03 | |
'as a completely monoglot Welsh church. | 0:32:03 | 0:32:04 | |
'It was a Welsh language church, no English at all.' | 0:32:04 | 0:32:06 | |
Slowly but surely it started to have English services, as the Welsh... | 0:32:06 | 0:32:11 | |
the pure Welsh community died. | 0:32:11 | 0:32:14 | |
'We see ourselves as a church | 0:32:14 | 0:32:15 | |
'that's got Welsh connections and Welsh roots | 0:32:15 | 0:32:18 | |
'and Welsh people are welcome here, | 0:32:18 | 0:32:20 | |
'but it's now for anybody. | 0:32:20 | 0:32:23 | |
'It doesn't matter who you are or where you're from.' | 0:32:23 | 0:32:25 | |
Penmachno? Wel, mae Penmachno wedi newid lot mewn hanner canrif. | 0:32:30 | 0:32:35 | |
'After the service, there's always a traditional chapel te bach, | 0:32:35 | 0:32:39 | |
'a little tea, that's anything other than little, to be honest. | 0:32:39 | 0:32:44 | |
'And the woman responsible for this impressive spread | 0:32:44 | 0:32:48 | |
'is Christine Boomsma.' | 0:32:48 | 0:32:50 | |
The chapel's in fantastic condition, | 0:32:50 | 0:32:52 | |
I'm just really figuring | 0:32:52 | 0:32:53 | |
that this is such an important part of the Welsh jigsaw, if you like. | 0:32:53 | 0:32:56 | |
It does, because people walk by in the street, | 0:32:56 | 0:33:00 | |
and, of course, they come in, | 0:33:00 | 0:33:01 | |
they see the Welsh flag flying | 0:33:01 | 0:33:03 | |
and they'll stay for the service | 0:33:03 | 0:33:06 | |
and we always try to give them a welcome. | 0:33:06 | 0:33:08 | |
Since when have you been in Australia? | 0:33:08 | 0:33:10 | |
I was 10 when I arrived, so I've been here 49 years, | 0:33:10 | 0:33:13 | |
and that's giving my age away! | 0:33:13 | 0:33:15 | |
So you've lived in Australia all of this time | 0:33:15 | 0:33:18 | |
and I'm just wondering, | 0:33:18 | 0:33:20 | |
do you think of yourself as Welsh in any way any more | 0:33:20 | 0:33:23 | |
or are you just Australian? What are you? | 0:33:23 | 0:33:25 | |
Well, after much criticism, I'm still a British subject. | 0:33:25 | 0:33:29 | |
I've never become an Australian citizen because I feel I'm Welsh. | 0:33:29 | 0:33:34 | |
I like the fact I'm Welsh, I mean, | 0:33:34 | 0:33:36 | |
I speak Welsh, I live with a lot of Welsh people, | 0:33:36 | 0:33:39 | |
so I'm used to it and I'm quite happy being a British subject, | 0:33:39 | 0:33:43 | |
living here... with an Australian accent. | 0:33:43 | 0:33:46 | |
-A very nice Australian accent! -Well...thank you. | 0:33:46 | 0:33:49 | |
So, what does that visit tell me about Welshness in Australia? | 0:34:00 | 0:34:04 | |
It's a thriving Welsh chapel, let's face it, | 0:34:04 | 0:34:07 | |
that's something you don't see very often these days. | 0:34:07 | 0:34:10 | |
And it's thriving because it's retained a core of Welshness | 0:34:10 | 0:34:13 | |
but it's become, really, an Australian church. | 0:34:13 | 0:34:16 | |
It's opened the doors to people of all kinds of different backgrounds. | 0:34:16 | 0:34:19 | |
So I'm getting the sense of a modern Welsh identity | 0:34:19 | 0:34:22 | |
which sits very comfortably, very happily | 0:34:22 | 0:34:25 | |
in this diverse society that is today's Australia. | 0:34:25 | 0:34:29 | |
Of all the 19th-century Welsh immigrants, | 0:34:42 | 0:34:45 | |
undoubtedly the one who left the biggest mark | 0:34:45 | 0:34:48 | |
on the Australian urban landscape | 0:34:48 | 0:34:51 | |
was a shopkeeper called David Jones. | 0:34:51 | 0:34:53 | |
Born and bred in Carmarthenshire, | 0:34:53 | 0:34:55 | |
Jones established a trading empire, | 0:34:55 | 0:34:57 | |
importing and selling goods from Britain and Europe. | 0:34:57 | 0:35:01 | |
And today the David Jones chain of department stores | 0:35:01 | 0:35:05 | |
is still one of the best-known names on the High Street. | 0:35:05 | 0:35:09 | |
In 1901, Australia came of age | 0:35:15 | 0:35:18 | |
when the country held its first national parliamentary election. | 0:35:18 | 0:35:22 | |
Although the city of Canberra was eventually chosen | 0:35:25 | 0:35:28 | |
as the Australian seat of government, | 0:35:28 | 0:35:30 | |
for the first 26 years | 0:35:30 | 0:35:32 | |
the Victorian State Parliament here in Melbourne | 0:35:32 | 0:35:35 | |
was the home of national politics. | 0:35:35 | 0:35:37 | |
'I've come here to meet | 0:35:39 | 0:35:40 | |
'the former parliamentary official Dr Ray Wright.' | 0:35:40 | 0:35:43 | |
Hello, Ray, how are you? | 0:35:43 | 0:35:44 | |
-Hello, Huw. Welcome to Parliament House. -Huw Edwards. | 0:35:44 | 0:35:46 | |
-Thanks for having me. -It's a great pleasure. -It's a great building. | 0:35:46 | 0:35:49 | |
It's wonderful, isn't it? Come and we'll have a look. | 0:35:49 | 0:35:52 | |
'I'm here to quiz Ray about one particular Australian politician, | 0:35:52 | 0:35:57 | |
'a Welshman brought up in Llandudno | 0:35:57 | 0:35:59 | |
'who came to Australia in his early 20s | 0:35:59 | 0:36:01 | |
'and made his way up from working as a rural labourer | 0:36:01 | 0:36:05 | |
'to serving in this building as Prime Minister | 0:36:05 | 0:36:08 | |
'from 1916 to 1923.' | 0:36:08 | 0:36:11 | |
'His name was Billy Hughes | 0:36:13 | 0:36:14 | |
'and it's fair to say he has a reputation as a bit of a maverick.' | 0:36:14 | 0:36:18 | |
So, if I'm right, now, you tell me, | 0:36:20 | 0:36:22 | |
this is where Billy Hughes would have been operating | 0:36:22 | 0:36:26 | |
and dominating this chamber? | 0:36:26 | 0:36:27 | |
That's right, this is Billy Hughes' theatre, this is his arena. | 0:36:27 | 0:36:31 | |
This is his stage. | 0:36:31 | 0:36:32 | |
So, let's just think, I'm on the opposition side, | 0:36:32 | 0:36:34 | |
what kind of a man am I facing? What kind of politician is he? | 0:36:34 | 0:36:38 | |
You're facing a small man with a large presence, | 0:36:38 | 0:36:41 | |
a man who is confrontationist and aggressive, | 0:36:41 | 0:36:44 | |
won't let you get away with a thing. | 0:36:44 | 0:36:46 | |
-He'll make jokes at your expense. -Likeable? | 0:36:46 | 0:36:49 | |
Not very likeable from you, but if you're in the visitor's gallery | 0:36:49 | 0:36:51 | |
-they would love Billy Hughes. -Entertaining, then? | 0:36:51 | 0:36:54 | |
-Very entertaining indeed. -What about his staff over the years? | 0:36:54 | 0:36:58 | |
He's very well known for his poor treatment of his staff. | 0:36:58 | 0:37:02 | |
He was rude and he was a bully | 0:37:02 | 0:37:05 | |
and he was overbearing. | 0:37:05 | 0:37:06 | |
He was a member of parliament for 51 years. | 0:37:06 | 0:37:09 | |
He had more than 100 staff, personal secretaries, resign and leave. | 0:37:09 | 0:37:14 | |
-In fact... -It's got to be a record! -I think it probably is. | 0:37:14 | 0:37:17 | |
One of them said he'd rather go to bed a with a sabre-toothed tiger | 0:37:17 | 0:37:21 | |
than keep on working with Billy Hughes. | 0:37:21 | 0:37:23 | |
Hughes was an outspoken and inspirational leader | 0:37:25 | 0:37:28 | |
during the First World War | 0:37:28 | 0:37:30 | |
who earned the adoration | 0:37:30 | 0:37:31 | |
of the Australian troops fighting in Europe. | 0:37:31 | 0:37:34 | |
His red-blooded patriotism | 0:37:37 | 0:37:38 | |
also earned him a whole new set of friends | 0:37:38 | 0:37:41 | |
when he arrived in London to meet the British War Cabinet in 1916. | 0:37:41 | 0:37:45 | |
Morale was very low in England at that stage | 0:37:46 | 0:37:49 | |
and Billy Hughes turned up | 0:37:49 | 0:37:51 | |
all full of fire and vim and vigour and electricity, | 0:37:51 | 0:37:54 | |
and Lloyd George sent him off on a speaking tour around England | 0:37:54 | 0:37:57 | |
called the Wake Up England tour. | 0:37:57 | 0:37:59 | |
And the adjective that's always used to describe this tour | 0:37:59 | 0:38:02 | |
is that his speeches were "electrifying". | 0:38:02 | 0:38:04 | |
He had an amazing impact, just because he was indefatigable, | 0:38:11 | 0:38:15 | |
he wouldn't give in, he said we had to beat Germany. | 0:38:15 | 0:38:19 | |
His impact was extraordinary. | 0:38:19 | 0:38:21 | |
And people began to suggest | 0:38:21 | 0:38:22 | |
that he might be the next Prime Minister after Asquith. | 0:38:22 | 0:38:25 | |
'Before I left, Ray was keen to show me | 0:38:25 | 0:38:28 | |
'a hidden corner of the Parliament building - | 0:38:28 | 0:38:31 | |
'a reminder of Billy Hughes' eccentric style of leadership.' | 0:38:31 | 0:38:35 | |
Nice steep staircase. | 0:38:35 | 0:38:36 | |
-To your left. Down the corridor. -Bit darker here. | 0:38:36 | 0:38:40 | |
-Yeah. -A bit of a sense of the unknown. | 0:38:40 | 0:38:44 | |
Come and have a look through this window here. | 0:38:44 | 0:38:47 | |
-We'll see this old rough building here. -This thing? | 0:38:47 | 0:38:51 | |
-It looks a bit scruffy. -It's pretty scruffy, yeah. | 0:38:51 | 0:38:54 | |
Billy Hughes decided he wanted his own private quarters | 0:38:54 | 0:38:57 | |
for the parliament when he was here. | 0:38:57 | 0:38:59 | |
Without asking anybody's permission or seeking anyone's advice, | 0:38:59 | 0:39:02 | |
he demanded that a building be put up for him here | 0:39:02 | 0:39:05 | |
so that he could hide away from all those people | 0:39:05 | 0:39:08 | |
who were pestering him in the other office. | 0:39:08 | 0:39:10 | |
Victorian members said it was the act of a dictator. | 0:39:10 | 0:39:13 | |
But it's still there. | 0:39:13 | 0:39:15 | |
98 years later, it's still there. | 0:39:15 | 0:39:18 | |
-And not so secret. -Not secret, and still being used. | 0:39:18 | 0:39:20 | |
From the end of the First World War, | 0:39:29 | 0:39:31 | |
Australia was preoccupied | 0:39:31 | 0:39:33 | |
with securing both its prosperity and its national identity | 0:39:33 | 0:39:37 | |
by increasing the population. | 0:39:37 | 0:39:40 | |
Successive Australian governments encouraged largely white immigration | 0:39:45 | 0:39:50 | |
and they promoted a national image of modern homes, plentiful jobs, | 0:39:50 | 0:39:55 | |
and a kind of life that for many Welsh people | 0:39:55 | 0:39:59 | |
must have looked like paradise. | 0:39:59 | 0:40:01 | |
As an added incentive, well into the 1970s, | 0:40:04 | 0:40:07 | |
migrants were offered a heavily-subsidised ticket | 0:40:07 | 0:40:10 | |
for the voyage and they became known as Ten-Pound Poms. | 0:40:10 | 0:40:14 | |
Among the many Welsh Ten-Pound Poms from Wales | 0:40:19 | 0:40:22 | |
were the Lloyd family from Aberdare, | 0:40:22 | 0:40:24 | |
who've kindly invited me for a traditional barbie | 0:40:24 | 0:40:27 | |
at their home in the Melbourne suburb of Hallam. | 0:40:27 | 0:40:30 | |
-This is gas, right? -Yes. -The one I've got at home is just charcoal. | 0:40:37 | 0:40:41 | |
-Just charcoal in a kind of... -That's fine. | 0:40:41 | 0:40:44 | |
-Controlling the heat is quite difficult. -No, it isn't! | 0:40:44 | 0:40:47 | |
Well, it is for me! | 0:40:47 | 0:40:48 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:40:48 | 0:40:51 | |
# Roll out those lazy, hazy, crazy days of summer | 0:40:51 | 0:40:57 | |
# Those days of soda... # | 0:40:57 | 0:41:00 | |
Normally, about February, it's stinking hot. | 0:41:00 | 0:41:03 | |
Yeah, do you know what? I don't want to offend the residents of Aberdare, | 0:41:03 | 0:41:06 | |
but this for me is the classic barbie-in-Aberdare weather. | 0:41:06 | 0:41:09 | |
-Back in the Valleys. -Yeah, it is. | 0:41:09 | 0:41:10 | |
Dear me. | 0:41:10 | 0:41:12 | |
Well done. | 0:41:18 | 0:41:20 | |
# Those days of soda and pretzels and beer | 0:41:20 | 0:41:23 | |
# Roll out those lazy, hazy, crazy days of summer | 0:41:23 | 0:41:28 | |
# Dust off the sun and moon and sing a song of cheer... # | 0:41:28 | 0:41:33 | |
Well, June, I know I shouldn't really be asking you questions | 0:41:33 | 0:41:37 | |
while you're eating. | 0:41:37 | 0:41:39 | |
I'm trying to work out how many years it is | 0:41:39 | 0:41:42 | |
since you first came to Australia. | 0:41:42 | 0:41:45 | |
What do you reckon, how long is it? 1960...what what it? | 0:41:45 | 0:41:49 | |
1968, August 1st. | 0:41:49 | 0:41:52 | |
-45 years? -Yeah, in August. | 0:41:52 | 0:41:56 | |
How long was it between the decision and your move? | 0:41:56 | 0:41:59 | |
-A month. -A month? | 0:41:59 | 0:42:02 | |
How on earth do you get your family ready to emigrate in a month? | 0:42:02 | 0:42:06 | |
I don't know, but we did it. THEY LAUGH | 0:42:06 | 0:42:09 | |
She's quick, she's quick! | 0:42:09 | 0:42:11 | |
You're obviously quick. | 0:42:11 | 0:42:12 | |
What did your family at home make of the decision? | 0:42:12 | 0:42:16 | |
My mum was very upset and my grandmother was even more upset. | 0:42:16 | 0:42:21 | |
She said, "I'll never see you again." | 0:42:21 | 0:42:24 | |
Well, it was done and that was it, you couldn't turn back. | 0:42:24 | 0:42:27 | |
You were starting a new life, really, weren't you? | 0:42:27 | 0:42:30 | |
Definitely. | 0:42:30 | 0:42:31 | |
-Did you see your grandmother again? -No. Nor my mum. | 0:42:31 | 0:42:35 | |
My mum died 12 months after I got here. | 0:42:35 | 0:42:38 | |
-That's a tough price to pay, isn't it? -Yeah. | 0:42:38 | 0:42:40 | |
And my grandmother died a couple of months later. | 0:42:40 | 0:42:44 | |
So it was all done, you know, | 0:42:44 | 0:42:46 | |
and we couldn't go back | 0:42:46 | 0:42:48 | |
because you had to be two years here before you could go back, | 0:42:48 | 0:42:52 | |
because you'd have to pay the government full price. | 0:42:52 | 0:42:56 | |
She settled down very quickly. | 0:42:56 | 0:42:59 | |
I just wanted to go to school. | 0:42:59 | 0:43:01 | |
How old were you at the time? | 0:43:01 | 0:43:03 | |
Six, nine days after we arrived in Melbourne. | 0:43:03 | 0:43:07 | |
It was very dark and late | 0:43:07 | 0:43:09 | |
and I remember going to a house, our first house. | 0:43:09 | 0:43:11 | |
And I love it now, even now when we're in the country or somewhere, | 0:43:11 | 0:43:15 | |
you hear the magpies - cuckoo-luckoo - they do that noise. | 0:43:15 | 0:43:18 | |
And that was my first sound in the morning, | 0:43:18 | 0:43:20 | |
but I remember hating it, thinking, "Oh, these beds are so lumpy!" | 0:43:20 | 0:43:23 | |
It was like a farm and Mum kept saying, | 0:43:23 | 0:43:26 | |
"We're in cowboy country! We're in cowboy country!" | 0:43:26 | 0:43:29 | |
Did you really think it was cowboy country? | 0:43:29 | 0:43:32 | |
"The cowboys are going to come!" And I'm thinking, "No, OK." | 0:43:32 | 0:43:34 | |
But to lots of Welsh people, Aberdare's cowboy country as well, | 0:43:34 | 0:43:37 | |
so you were stretching it a bit, to be fair. | 0:43:37 | 0:43:40 | |
It was really foul weather. | 0:43:40 | 0:43:41 | |
The big question I want to ask is, | 0:43:43 | 0:43:45 | |
once you'd settled, June, | 0:43:45 | 0:43:47 | |
what was it about Wales that you missed the most? | 0:43:47 | 0:43:51 | |
My mum and dad. | 0:43:51 | 0:43:52 | |
And especially my grandmother, | 0:43:52 | 0:43:55 | |
because my grandmother reared us. | 0:43:55 | 0:43:57 | |
And for you, Michaela, | 0:43:57 | 0:43:59 | |
-do you have any memories of Wales at all as a little girl? -None. | 0:43:59 | 0:44:03 | |
-None whatsoever. -How old were you when you came? -Three. | 0:44:03 | 0:44:06 | |
And when did you first go back to Wales on a visit? | 0:44:06 | 0:44:09 | |
I was 21 when I first went back. | 0:44:09 | 0:44:12 | |
Did you then have any questions about the decision to come out here, | 0:44:12 | 0:44:17 | |
your father's decision, really, to come out here? | 0:44:17 | 0:44:20 | |
Yeah, most definitely. | 0:44:20 | 0:44:21 | |
When I came home I said to Dad, you know, "How could you do it? | 0:44:21 | 0:44:24 | |
"How could you just pack up | 0:44:24 | 0:44:26 | |
"and leave all your family and come here?" | 0:44:26 | 0:44:29 | |
And he said, you know, "I wanted to give you a better life." | 0:44:29 | 0:44:32 | |
Opportunity was there so they took it. | 0:44:32 | 0:44:35 | |
It's not hard to see why Ten-Pound Poms like the Lloyd family | 0:44:40 | 0:44:43 | |
fell in love with Australia, | 0:44:43 | 0:44:45 | |
but not all the migrants who came here in the 1950s and 1960s | 0:44:45 | 0:44:49 | |
were so enthusiastic about moving to the other side of the world. | 0:44:49 | 0:44:53 | |
'David Crisp is a retired sheep-shearer | 0:44:55 | 0:44:59 | |
'from Northam in Western Australia. | 0:44:59 | 0:45:02 | |
'When he was a baby, David's teenage mother | 0:45:02 | 0:45:04 | |
'reluctantly placed him in an orphanage in Swansea. | 0:45:04 | 0:45:08 | |
'And then at the age of seven | 0:45:08 | 0:45:10 | |
'he became one of the so-called "lost children", | 0:45:10 | 0:45:13 | |
'when he was put on a ship and sent off to Clontarf Boys' Home | 0:45:13 | 0:45:16 | |
'near the Australian city of Perth. | 0:45:16 | 0:45:20 | |
'It was run by the Roman Catholic Christian Brothers.' | 0:45:20 | 0:45:23 | |
-How strict was the discipline? -Very strict. | 0:45:24 | 0:45:27 | |
Very strict. | 0:45:28 | 0:45:29 | |
What kind of punishments would they inflict on people? | 0:45:29 | 0:45:32 | |
Well, I still remember as a kid, it was Saint Patrick's Day, | 0:45:32 | 0:45:39 | |
we went to Castledare for a picnic there. | 0:45:39 | 0:45:42 | |
And this Christian Brother said, | 0:45:43 | 0:45:44 | |
"Whatever you do, don't go up the weir." | 0:45:44 | 0:45:47 | |
Boys will be boys, and about five of them went up there, | 0:45:47 | 0:45:52 | |
and Brother Doyle the next day got all the boys lined up and said, | 0:45:52 | 0:45:57 | |
"Who was up the weir?" | 0:45:57 | 0:45:59 | |
He went, "Right, I want youse boys up the stage." | 0:46:00 | 0:46:06 | |
And I've never seen a man hit a kid in all my life. | 0:46:06 | 0:46:09 | |
He went three or four canes, breaking them, just belted them. | 0:46:09 | 0:46:16 | |
And I remember, I turned around, I just broke down. | 0:46:16 | 0:46:19 | |
He said, "Crisp, if you don't turn around and watch this, | 0:46:19 | 0:46:22 | |
"you'll be up here." | 0:46:22 | 0:46:23 | |
And I still remember that. | 0:46:24 | 0:46:25 | |
I will never forget that so long as I live. | 0:46:25 | 0:46:28 | |
In recent years, there have been lots of really bad revelations | 0:46:28 | 0:46:32 | |
about the kind of conduct that went on in some of these places, | 0:46:32 | 0:46:36 | |
especially in attitude to young kids. | 0:46:36 | 0:46:39 | |
-Was that the case in Clontarf as well? -Yes, it was definitely... Yes. | 0:46:39 | 0:46:43 | |
The sex abuse. I didn't realise how bad it was. | 0:46:43 | 0:46:48 | |
I know I got a sex abuse, you know, by three Brothers. | 0:46:48 | 0:46:52 | |
I didn't realise how bad it was. | 0:46:53 | 0:46:56 | |
Cos the boys never talked about it. | 0:46:56 | 0:46:58 | |
If we talked about it, there's six of the best for a start. | 0:47:00 | 0:47:03 | |
You know, you just never talked about it. | 0:47:05 | 0:47:08 | |
But it was a whole complete change of life... | 0:47:08 | 0:47:10 | |
..you know, from the orphanage at Swansea | 0:47:13 | 0:47:16 | |
and to come to this place, and stinking hot. | 0:47:16 | 0:47:19 | |
And, really, to have been tricked into it, in a way. | 0:47:19 | 0:47:21 | |
-Oh, we were stolen kids. -If they were saying, "You're going on a trip..." | 0:47:21 | 0:47:26 | |
Yeah, they stole us. I reckon they stole us. | 0:47:26 | 0:47:29 | |
The Christian Brothers at Clontarf Boys' Home always insisted | 0:47:30 | 0:47:34 | |
that the children's parents were dead, but David was never convinced. | 0:47:34 | 0:47:39 | |
After he left the Boys' Home, | 0:47:39 | 0:47:41 | |
he ended up working on farms right across Western Australia. | 0:47:41 | 0:47:45 | |
It wasn't until he was in his mid-40s that he discovered | 0:47:45 | 0:47:48 | |
the truth about his family. | 0:47:48 | 0:47:50 | |
Tell me about the moment when you found out you had a mother in Wales. | 0:47:53 | 0:47:58 | |
That was Mrs Norman. | 0:47:58 | 0:47:59 | |
She sat us down and said, "There's a letter," | 0:47:59 | 0:48:05 | |
and she said, "You've got a mum," you know. | 0:48:05 | 0:48:10 | |
-And... -What was your response to that? | 0:48:10 | 0:48:13 | |
I was shocked. Shocked, you know? | 0:48:13 | 0:48:17 | |
I walked back in to the shearers, and I said to the shearers, | 0:48:17 | 0:48:20 | |
"Now you can't call me a bastard - I've got parents!" | 0:48:20 | 0:48:23 | |
The boys all clapped. | 0:48:25 | 0:48:27 | |
-Yeah. -When did you first make contact with your family? | 0:48:27 | 0:48:30 | |
Mum rang us, Christmas Day. | 0:48:30 | 0:48:31 | |
I remember her saying... | 0:48:32 | 0:48:34 | |
IN WELSH ACCENT: "Hello, Dave, how are you, Dave?" | 0:48:34 | 0:48:37 | |
I said, "That's Welsh!" | 0:48:37 | 0:48:38 | |
She said, "This is Mum." | 0:48:38 | 0:48:41 | |
-Wow. -Mum got all excited, but I couldn't understand her. | 0:48:41 | 0:48:44 | |
She was Welsh Welsh, you know? | 0:48:45 | 0:48:47 | |
-Talking very quickly? -Yeah. | 0:48:47 | 0:48:49 | |
I said, "Mum, can you slow down?!" | 0:48:49 | 0:48:51 | |
David's mother came out to visit him, | 0:48:55 | 0:48:57 | |
and in 1994, he made his first trip back to Wales | 0:48:57 | 0:49:02 | |
to meet all the members of his long-lost family. | 0:49:02 | 0:49:04 | |
There he is! Dave! | 0:49:05 | 0:49:06 | |
There were certainly aspects of Australia's immigration policies | 0:49:25 | 0:49:28 | |
in the 20th century that have left | 0:49:28 | 0:49:30 | |
the country with an uncomfortable legacy. | 0:49:30 | 0:49:33 | |
But today, it's fair to say that this is an increasingly-confident, | 0:49:34 | 0:49:39 | |
multicultural society. | 0:49:39 | 0:49:40 | |
Now, in the 21st century, Australia picks | 0:49:42 | 0:49:45 | |
and chooses its immigrants from all over the globe. | 0:49:45 | 0:49:47 | |
And it's still an extremely popular destination, | 0:49:48 | 0:49:51 | |
thanks to its status as one of the most affluent | 0:49:51 | 0:49:54 | |
and culturally-buoyant societies in the world. | 0:49:54 | 0:49:57 | |
Nowhere is that cultural pride more in evidence | 0:50:01 | 0:50:04 | |
than in the field of movies and music. | 0:50:04 | 0:50:07 | |
Big-name Australian stars are increasingly | 0:50:07 | 0:50:09 | |
prominent on the world stage. | 0:50:09 | 0:50:11 | |
And what's surprising is how many of them have Welsh roots. | 0:50:13 | 0:50:15 | |
# I just can't get you out of my head... # | 0:50:18 | 0:50:20 | |
From Kylie, whose family came from Maesteg, Olivia Newton-John, | 0:50:21 | 0:50:25 | |
whose father was from Cardiff, actress Naomi Watts, | 0:50:25 | 0:50:28 | |
who was brought up in Anglesey... | 0:50:28 | 0:50:30 | |
..and even that all-Australian actor Russell Crowe had | 0:50:32 | 0:50:34 | |
a grandfather from Wrexham. | 0:50:34 | 0:50:36 | |
The Australian appetite for a good show is certainly on display | 0:50:48 | 0:50:52 | |
here today in Sydney Harbour. | 0:50:52 | 0:50:54 | |
This is Australia Day, a holiday commemorating | 0:50:58 | 0:51:01 | |
the arrival of that first fleet of convicts back in 1788. | 0:51:01 | 0:51:05 | |
It's a chance to celebrate all things Australian, | 0:51:08 | 0:51:11 | |
and it's a sign of that national confidence | 0:51:11 | 0:51:13 | |
that it's also an opportunity for Australians to wave | 0:51:13 | 0:51:16 | |
the flag of their countries of origin. | 0:51:16 | 0:51:19 | |
Here under Sydney Harbour Bridge, there's a good turnout | 0:51:19 | 0:51:22 | |
of the Welsh contingent at Sydney's Celtic Festival. | 0:51:22 | 0:51:25 | |
# Henffych fore | 0:51:25 | 0:51:27 | |
# Henffych fore | 0:51:27 | 0:51:30 | |
# Caf ei weled fel y mae. # | 0:51:30 | 0:51:33 | |
I was all set to join these festivities when I received | 0:51:35 | 0:51:38 | |
an invitation to travel to Canberra, the capital city of Australia, | 0:51:38 | 0:51:42 | |
to meet the most famous Australian, and certainly the most powerful one. | 0:51:42 | 0:51:46 | |
Julia Gillard was born in Barry in Glamorgan, | 0:51:47 | 0:51:50 | |
but I met her at the official residence of the Prime Minister | 0:51:50 | 0:51:54 | |
of Australia. | 0:51:54 | 0:51:55 | |
-Prime Minister. -Hello, lovely to meet you. | 0:51:57 | 0:51:59 | |
-Thank you very much for making time today. -You're very welcome. | 0:51:59 | 0:52:01 | |
-Am I allowed to say happy Australia Day? -You certainly are. | 0:52:01 | 0:52:04 | |
That's the only thing you possibly say today, happy Australia Day! | 0:52:04 | 0:52:07 | |
Thank you very much. Shall we take a seat? | 0:52:07 | 0:52:09 | |
Prime Minister, thank you very much | 0:52:11 | 0:52:13 | |
for sparing time today of all days to talk to us. | 0:52:13 | 0:52:15 | |
-You're very welcome. -That's very kind of you. | 0:52:15 | 0:52:18 | |
Lots of people have different ideas of Wales and what Wales represents. | 0:52:18 | 0:52:22 | |
So, if I said Wales to you, what's the first thing | 0:52:22 | 0:52:25 | |
that comes into your mind? | 0:52:25 | 0:52:26 | |
Oh, I just say it's where my family's from. | 0:52:26 | 0:52:29 | |
I was very small when we left Wales, I was only four years old, | 0:52:29 | 0:52:32 | |
so I don't have any original memories, | 0:52:32 | 0:52:34 | |
but I have all of the family stories that have sort of defined | 0:52:34 | 0:52:38 | |
who we are and where we came from. | 0:52:38 | 0:52:40 | |
To what extent are you aware, then, of that Welsh heritage? | 0:52:40 | 0:52:43 | |
Are those stories things that are dear to you, | 0:52:43 | 0:52:45 | |
things that you cherish? Are they things you hold on to, | 0:52:45 | 0:52:48 | |
or are they things that you've kind of left behind? | 0:52:48 | 0:52:51 | |
No, they're absolutely things that I cherish and hold on to. | 0:52:51 | 0:52:55 | |
I always knew, growing up, that we had migrated, and Mum and Dad had | 0:52:55 | 0:52:58 | |
made this difficult decision, and we'd come halfway around the world. | 0:52:58 | 0:53:02 | |
That was in days when international telephone calls were booked | 0:53:02 | 0:53:06 | |
through the operator, | 0:53:06 | 0:53:08 | |
and the price of airline tickets was just astronomically high, | 0:53:08 | 0:53:11 | |
compared with people's incomes. | 0:53:11 | 0:53:13 | |
So, you couldn't just go back. | 0:53:13 | 0:53:15 | |
So, my idea of who we are and what sort of formed us was really built | 0:53:16 | 0:53:20 | |
through their eyes and their stories about Wales, | 0:53:20 | 0:53:23 | |
and I was really keen to get back and see it for myself. | 0:53:23 | 0:53:26 | |
I was also keen to have that sense of extended family. | 0:53:26 | 0:53:30 | |
We only ever had my father, my mother, my sister and I. | 0:53:30 | 0:53:34 | |
Everybody else had aunties, uncles, grandmothers, the whole lot. | 0:53:34 | 0:53:38 | |
We didn't, and so I wanted to know where all of our people were. | 0:53:38 | 0:53:43 | |
What prompted the move in the first place? | 0:53:43 | 0:53:45 | |
Why did your parents make that very difficult decision? | 0:53:45 | 0:53:47 | |
It was a mix of things. | 0:53:47 | 0:53:49 | |
I was born with bronchial pneumonia, I was very sick as a child. | 0:53:49 | 0:53:54 | |
They were told by doctors that I would always find it | 0:53:54 | 0:53:57 | |
difficult in Welsh winters, and perhaps have to miss a lot of school. | 0:53:57 | 0:54:01 | |
So, that weighed on their mind. | 0:54:01 | 0:54:03 | |
And Dad thought to himself that there was more economic opportunity | 0:54:03 | 0:54:06 | |
in Australia, that it was a big thing to do, | 0:54:06 | 0:54:09 | |
but ultimately the family would be better off. | 0:54:09 | 0:54:12 | |
And so, all of that came together to reinforce a decision of, | 0:54:12 | 0:54:15 | |
"Yes, we're going to go," and we went. | 0:54:15 | 0:54:18 | |
The transition, how difficult was it? | 0:54:18 | 0:54:20 | |
What did your parents say about the process of starting a new life | 0:54:20 | 0:54:24 | |
thousands of miles away from home? | 0:54:24 | 0:54:26 | |
How difficult was that for them? | 0:54:26 | 0:54:28 | |
They found it pretty hard. They had a lot of advantages. | 0:54:28 | 0:54:31 | |
The language, you know. | 0:54:31 | 0:54:33 | |
Our journey is nothing compared with the people who came here not speaking | 0:54:33 | 0:54:37 | |
a word of English and had to get to grips with the language as well. | 0:54:37 | 0:54:40 | |
But even with the benefit of speaking English, | 0:54:40 | 0:54:43 | |
Mum and Dad do remember it as a difficult time. | 0:54:43 | 0:54:46 | |
They actually arrived in a drought, | 0:54:46 | 0:54:48 | |
and so it was economically tough, it was hard for Dad to get a job. | 0:54:48 | 0:54:53 | |
And they had a sense that Australia was a bit behind Wales then. | 0:54:53 | 0:54:57 | |
Mum talks about having to let her skirts down | 0:54:57 | 0:54:59 | |
because they were too short. | 0:54:59 | 0:55:01 | |
Then, there are things about the Australian idiom that took them | 0:55:01 | 0:55:04 | |
a while to get used to. | 0:55:04 | 0:55:05 | |
Dad tells this story of being on the bus late at night, coming home | 0:55:05 | 0:55:09 | |
from work and the bus driver saying to him, "See you later, mate," | 0:55:09 | 0:55:13 | |
and Dad going home and saying to my mum, | 0:55:13 | 0:55:16 | |
"Gee, the bus driver's coming round!"... | 0:55:16 | 0:55:18 | |
..and it taking them a while to work out that this was just | 0:55:20 | 0:55:23 | |
a way of saying goodbye, rather than, | 0:55:23 | 0:55:25 | |
"I'll be at your house for a cup of tea fairly soon." | 0:55:25 | 0:55:29 | |
I just want to talk a little bit about your political values. | 0:55:29 | 0:55:32 | |
Because, as I understand it, and please tell me if I've got it wrong, | 0:55:32 | 0:55:35 | |
your parents were originally from the South Wales Valleys, | 0:55:35 | 0:55:39 | |
which have a great and rich tradition | 0:55:39 | 0:55:41 | |
of radical, left-of-centre politics. | 0:55:41 | 0:55:44 | |
To what extent did that background, via your parents, | 0:55:44 | 0:55:48 | |
inform your political stance, your political values? | 0:55:48 | 0:55:51 | |
It's really a very keen shaper of my political values. | 0:55:51 | 0:55:56 | |
My father is from one of the coal-mining villages in South Wales, | 0:55:56 | 0:56:01 | |
and he particularly transmitted values that he learned | 0:56:01 | 0:56:05 | |
in his coal-mining village and his family home. | 0:56:05 | 0:56:09 | |
To him, trade unionism was everything. | 0:56:09 | 0:56:12 | |
It was mandatory to be part of the union, | 0:56:12 | 0:56:14 | |
and it was the only way that working people ever got a chance | 0:56:14 | 0:56:18 | |
or ever got a fair deal, if they got into the union. | 0:56:18 | 0:56:21 | |
So, a real almost religion with him, and that came through. | 0:56:21 | 0:56:25 | |
My mother grew up in Barry, from a more middle-class family. | 0:56:25 | 0:56:29 | |
Her father was an engineer. | 0:56:29 | 0:56:31 | |
But she, too, always had a great sense | 0:56:31 | 0:56:33 | |
of social justice and what was right. | 0:56:33 | 0:56:36 | |
So both of them, their Welsh heritage, | 0:56:36 | 0:56:39 | |
their Welsh values and background shaped me. | 0:56:39 | 0:56:42 | |
I think a Prime Ministerial visit to Wales would go down very, very well, | 0:56:42 | 0:56:46 | |
Prime Minister, if I may say so. Just a gentle suggestion! | 0:56:46 | 0:56:50 | |
Well, one of these days, I'd love to. | 0:56:50 | 0:56:52 | |
I don't think this year is going to be a possibility for it. | 0:56:52 | 0:56:56 | |
Might be a bit busy. | 0:56:56 | 0:56:57 | |
Yes, I've got an election to fight during the course of this year, | 0:56:57 | 0:57:00 | |
but I have had our High Commissioner in Britain say | 0:57:00 | 0:57:03 | |
on more than one occasion, "You've got to get there, | 0:57:03 | 0:57:06 | |
"you've got to go to Wales," so wouldn't it be a great opportunity, | 0:57:06 | 0:57:10 | |
if it's possible in the future? | 0:57:10 | 0:57:12 | |
Prime Minister, I'm going to say, diolch yn fawr. | 0:57:12 | 0:57:14 | |
-Thank you very much. -Thank you. | 0:57:14 | 0:57:16 | |
From convicts to Prime Ministers, | 0:57:24 | 0:57:26 | |
the Welsh have made quite a journey here in Australia. | 0:57:26 | 0:57:30 | |
So, what is the common thread that connects the experience | 0:57:30 | 0:57:33 | |
of those first settlers with today's Welsh Australians? | 0:57:33 | 0:57:37 | |
There is one word which sums up the appeal of Australia | 0:57:38 | 0:57:41 | |
that's as true today as it has been for the past 200 years. | 0:57:41 | 0:57:45 | |
That word is opportunity. | 0:57:45 | 0:57:47 | |
The kind of opportunity that brings personal fulfilment, | 0:57:47 | 0:57:51 | |
economic gain and a sense of freedom... | 0:57:51 | 0:57:54 | |
..not to mention plenty of sunshine. | 0:57:55 | 0:57:57 | |
And for so many people, Wales just can't compete with all of that. | 0:58:00 | 0:58:06 | |
What I've discovered here is that the Welsh are very comfortable | 0:58:06 | 0:58:09 | |
with a dual identity. | 0:58:09 | 0:58:12 | |
They haven't rejected Wales, | 0:58:12 | 0:58:13 | |
but they have fully embraced this wonderful country | 0:58:13 | 0:58:17 | |
and they've played a big part | 0:58:17 | 0:58:19 | |
in Australia's remarkable success story. | 0:58:19 | 0:58:23 | |
Long may that continue. | 0:58:23 | 0:58:24 | |
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