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LIFT BELL RINGS | 0:00:10 | 0:00:12 | |
It's Saturday, and Welshman Ron Jones has come to watch the footie. | 0:00:12 | 0:00:17 | |
He may seem like an ordinary senior citizen, | 0:00:23 | 0:00:26 | |
but he's a man with a remarkable past. | 0:00:26 | 0:00:29 | |
A few years shy of his 100th birthday, | 0:00:30 | 0:00:33 | |
he's going to relive an extraordinary love story, | 0:00:33 | 0:00:36 | |
set in one of history's darkest chapters. | 0:00:36 | 0:00:39 | |
This is Ron's tale of survival in a place that's become synonymous | 0:00:41 | 0:00:46 | |
with hatred and death on an industrial scale. | 0:00:46 | 0:00:50 | |
The smell was terrible. Sickly, sweet smell. | 0:00:57 | 0:01:00 | |
-Could you imagine those final moments? -I know, exactly. | 0:01:01 | 0:01:04 | |
When he shot him, he looked at me and he said, "You're next." | 0:01:06 | 0:01:10 | |
We were all frightened to death. | 0:01:10 | 0:01:12 | |
You're bringing back memories now! | 0:01:12 | 0:01:14 | |
PROJECTOR WHIRRS | 0:01:14 | 0:01:16 | |
SHOUTING AND CHEERING | 0:01:17 | 0:01:20 | |
'A former footballer himself, | 0:01:22 | 0:01:24 | |
'97-year-old Ron is Newport County's oldest fan.' | 0:01:24 | 0:01:29 | |
-Both our goalkeepers are injured. -I know! | 0:01:29 | 0:01:32 | |
So they've signed him for a month to us. | 0:01:32 | 0:01:35 | |
-And if he gets injured, you're up? -RON LAUGHS | 0:01:35 | 0:01:37 | |
-You brought your boots, I hope? -Yeah! Ha-ha! | 0:01:37 | 0:01:39 | |
-Did Gwladys ever used to come to the football with you? -No. -No? -No. | 0:01:39 | 0:01:42 | |
-You couldn't persuade her? -No, she wasn't interested. | 0:01:42 | 0:01:45 | |
So this was always your thing? Your other love? | 0:01:45 | 0:01:48 | |
RON LAUGHS | 0:01:48 | 0:01:49 | |
MUSIC: "Love Is The Sweetest Thing" | 0:01:49 | 0:01:52 | |
Come on, Ref! | 0:01:52 | 0:01:53 | |
'Ron's lived in Bassaleg, on the outskirts of Newport, all his life.' | 0:01:55 | 0:01:59 | |
-Oh, that was when we were courting. -Weren't you a good looking couple? | 0:01:59 | 0:02:03 | |
-RON LAUGHS -Fantastic. You look great in this. | 0:02:03 | 0:02:06 | |
I met her when she came out of Girl Guides, | 0:02:06 | 0:02:09 | |
-when she was 16 and I was 15. -Oh, really? | 0:02:09 | 0:02:13 | |
What was it about Gwladys that really attracted you to her, do you think? | 0:02:13 | 0:02:17 | |
I don't know. Just... I think it was love at first sight. | 0:02:17 | 0:02:20 | |
-Just something caught your eye? -Oh, yeah, I fell for her straightaway. | 0:02:20 | 0:02:23 | |
And then, we realised that... we felt a lot for one another. | 0:02:23 | 0:02:28 | |
Had you had many girlfriends? Was Gwladys the sort of...? | 0:02:28 | 0:02:30 | |
-No. -..the first one you took to? -She was the only one I've ever had. | 0:02:30 | 0:02:33 | |
-No, I've never had anybody else. -Wow. | 0:02:33 | 0:02:35 | |
-No. -There you are in your morning suit. | 0:02:35 | 0:02:38 | |
She was 20...22 then. And I was 21. | 0:02:38 | 0:02:42 | |
Wow. So this is the summer of 1938? | 0:02:42 | 0:02:44 | |
Yeah, 1938. Oh, God, she was gorgeous! | 0:02:44 | 0:02:48 | |
I loved Gwladys from... right from the day I met her. | 0:02:48 | 0:02:51 | |
CHEERING | 0:02:51 | 0:02:53 | |
CROWD REPEAT: Sieg heil! | 0:02:53 | 0:02:55 | |
For the Newport lovebirds, married bliss was short-lived. | 0:03:00 | 0:03:04 | |
Nazi Germany was spreading its wings. | 0:03:04 | 0:03:06 | |
SHOUTING IN GERMAN | 0:03:06 | 0:03:09 | |
GUNFIRE | 0:03:09 | 0:03:11 | |
Ron was called up to fight with the Welsh Regiment, | 0:03:11 | 0:03:15 | |
but he was captured in the Middle East, becoming a prisoner of war. | 0:03:15 | 0:03:19 | |
70 years on, Ron's returning to the Polish prison camp | 0:03:20 | 0:03:25 | |
where he was held by the Germans, 1,000 miles from home...and Gwladys. | 0:03:25 | 0:03:31 | |
'They put us 40 in a truck, cattle trucks, | 0:03:33 | 0:03:37 | |
'and travelled all over Germany then. | 0:03:37 | 0:03:40 | |
'We were in there for four or five days. | 0:03:40 | 0:03:44 | |
'We were covered in lice and...we were in a bit of a shocking state.' | 0:03:44 | 0:03:49 | |
You couldn't lie down. We just stood up, sort of shouldering one another, | 0:03:49 | 0:03:54 | |
and then, of course, we were using one corner for a latrine. | 0:03:54 | 0:03:57 | |
And it was pretty bad, believe me. | 0:03:57 | 0:04:00 | |
'With 300 other captured British soldiers, | 0:04:03 | 0:04:07 | |
'Ron arrived at a place he'd never heard of before... | 0:04:07 | 0:04:10 | |
'Auschwitz.' | 0:04:10 | 0:04:12 | |
Ron, when you arrived in Auschwitz, what did you notice? | 0:04:13 | 0:04:17 | |
We saw all this big barbed wire. | 0:04:17 | 0:04:19 | |
And men apparently in pyjamas digging trenches and all. | 0:04:19 | 0:04:24 | |
I said to one of the guards, like, "Who the heck are they?" | 0:04:24 | 0:04:27 | |
He said, "Jews!" like us always should have known. | 0:04:27 | 0:04:31 | |
I mean, we didn't realise. | 0:04:31 | 0:04:32 | |
We didn't know they were persecuting the Jews. | 0:04:32 | 0:04:35 | |
But it didn't take us long to find out. | 0:04:35 | 0:04:37 | |
The first thing that we noticed was a peculiar smell, but, er, I mean, | 0:04:37 | 0:04:43 | |
I didn't register it, I didn't register what the smell was. | 0:04:43 | 0:04:47 | |
Until about four, five days after, | 0:04:47 | 0:04:49 | |
and I was talking to the Poles there. | 0:04:49 | 0:04:52 | |
We thought they were pulling our legs, like, you know. | 0:04:52 | 0:04:55 | |
And when you realised it was true, the shock you must have felt... | 0:04:55 | 0:04:58 | |
-Terrible shock! -..when you realised this was... | 0:04:58 | 0:05:00 | |
-We didn't think that people could do things like that. -Yeah. | 0:05:00 | 0:05:03 | |
And if the wind was in your direction, the smell was... | 0:05:03 | 0:05:07 | |
Well, it turned you off your food. | 0:05:07 | 0:05:09 | |
The smell was terrible, a sickly, sweet smell. Terrible. | 0:05:09 | 0:05:13 | |
I can smell it now. | 0:05:13 | 0:05:15 | |
Downwind of the infamous crematoriums, | 0:05:21 | 0:05:24 | |
Ron was interned at Camp E715. | 0:05:24 | 0:05:28 | |
From there, British prisoners were forced to work | 0:05:28 | 0:05:31 | |
in a factory owned by IG Farben. | 0:05:31 | 0:05:34 | |
'We've come to the site of Ron's old camp | 0:05:34 | 0:05:36 | |
'with Dr Setkiewicz of the Auschwitz Museum.' | 0:05:36 | 0:05:39 | |
Peter, how would things have been laid out? | 0:05:41 | 0:05:43 | |
Where would everything have been? | 0:05:43 | 0:05:45 | |
Er, so the... the road was right here. | 0:05:45 | 0:05:47 | |
There's an aerial picture taken by the Allies during the war. | 0:05:47 | 0:05:51 | |
The camp for British PoWs right here. | 0:05:51 | 0:05:54 | |
And about 300-400 metres this direction, | 0:05:54 | 0:05:58 | |
it was the camp for the Auschwitz inmates, for Jewish | 0:05:58 | 0:06:02 | |
and other prisoners of the concentration camp Auschwitz III. | 0:06:02 | 0:06:05 | |
-That was very close by, then? -Yeah, yeah. | 0:06:05 | 0:06:08 | |
The Jews from there then worked in the works with us, | 0:06:08 | 0:06:11 | |
or alongside us. | 0:06:11 | 0:06:13 | |
And so, the factory we're talking about, where you worked, IG Farben, | 0:06:13 | 0:06:17 | |
-is right there, it's a huge site. -Yeah. -In front of us. -Yeah. | 0:06:17 | 0:06:20 | |
Yeah, about half of the buildings physical here, | 0:06:21 | 0:06:25 | |
they're still original, they were built during the war by IG Farben. | 0:06:25 | 0:06:29 | |
Infamous for manufacturing deadly Zyklon B, used in Nazi gas chambers, | 0:06:31 | 0:06:37 | |
IG Farben was a chemical industry conglomerate. | 0:06:37 | 0:06:41 | |
Their massive synthetic rubber and fuel plant | 0:06:41 | 0:06:44 | |
was being built at Auschwitz, | 0:06:44 | 0:06:45 | |
using the plentiful supply of Jewish slave labour. | 0:06:45 | 0:06:49 | |
It's a little-known fact that British prisoners of war | 0:06:49 | 0:06:52 | |
were also forced to work there, making aircraft fuel. | 0:06:52 | 0:06:56 | |
-Were you a good worker for the Germans? -No, we didn't... | 0:06:57 | 0:07:01 | |
We didn't like working. As a matter of fact, when we came here, | 0:07:01 | 0:07:05 | |
-we argued about it was, er, working for the war effort. -Yeah. | 0:07:05 | 0:07:09 | |
And Geneva Conventions wouldn't allow it. | 0:07:09 | 0:07:12 | |
So, er, Charlie went in to see the Feldjager, | 0:07:12 | 0:07:16 | |
and he put his Luger on the table. | 0:07:16 | 0:07:19 | |
"That's my Geneva Conventions," he said. | 0:07:19 | 0:07:22 | |
-So we had no option but to work. -Wow. | 0:07:22 | 0:07:24 | |
They had these... It was a big cylinder of about 60-70 foot high. | 0:07:27 | 0:07:34 | |
We had to go up on the top and, one day, Corporal Reynolds was with me. | 0:07:34 | 0:07:39 | |
They asked him to go up and change the pipes over | 0:07:39 | 0:07:42 | |
and he kept making excuses, genuine excuses mind, | 0:07:42 | 0:07:45 | |
that if he went up there, he didn't like heights, | 0:07:45 | 0:07:48 | |
he'd fall off and, don't forget, it was very cold and icy and he said | 0:07:48 | 0:07:52 | |
he didn't have quite the gloves and the clobber to go up there. | 0:07:52 | 0:07:57 | |
In the end, Meister Bieber, who was in charge of us, | 0:07:57 | 0:08:00 | |
called a guard over. | 0:08:00 | 0:08:02 | |
"Are you going up?" like, and Reynolds kept arguing. | 0:08:02 | 0:08:05 | |
In the end, he shot him. | 0:08:05 | 0:08:07 | |
He looked at me and he said, "You're next!" | 0:08:10 | 0:08:13 | |
You should've seen the way I went up there! | 0:08:13 | 0:08:16 | |
I went up there like a monkey. A bit quick. | 0:08:16 | 0:08:19 | |
We were all frightened to death and shook, you know. | 0:08:19 | 0:08:22 | |
It went right through the camp. | 0:08:22 | 0:08:25 | |
I'd never experienced anything like that. | 0:08:25 | 0:08:27 | |
Ron, what is it like to be back here? | 0:08:29 | 0:08:31 | |
Oh... Nostalgic. | 0:08:31 | 0:08:33 | |
Bitter memories. | 0:08:35 | 0:08:37 | |
-I've got a lump in my throat half my time. -Yeah. -Really concerned. | 0:08:37 | 0:08:41 | |
You know... Very unpleasant at the moment. | 0:08:43 | 0:08:47 | |
You've seen things you can't unsee, haven't you? | 0:08:47 | 0:08:50 | |
Yes, it's in your mind's eye, isn't it? You know. | 0:08:50 | 0:08:53 | |
I can remember it as... as plain as anything. | 0:08:53 | 0:08:56 | |
Unlike the Jews at Auschwitz, who were imprisoned by the SS, | 0:09:00 | 0:09:04 | |
British soldiers fell under military administration. | 0:09:04 | 0:09:07 | |
As prisoners of war, they were permitted to receive | 0:09:07 | 0:09:10 | |
Red Cross parcels and to write to their wives and families. | 0:09:10 | 0:09:15 | |
Back home in Wales, Gwladys kept all Ron's love letters safe. | 0:09:15 | 0:09:20 | |
"My dearest wife, I have just received | 0:09:23 | 0:09:26 | |
"the sweetest letter I have ever had from you, darling. | 0:09:26 | 0:09:29 | |
"It's so full of love, I could almost imagine you | 0:09:29 | 0:09:32 | |
"in my arms each time when I read it. | 0:09:32 | 0:09:35 | |
"I had your photograph too, and it's a good one of you, dear. | 0:09:35 | 0:09:39 | |
"You will be getting younger every photo I get. | 0:09:39 | 0:09:42 | |
"I'm afraid it isn't the same with me. | 0:09:42 | 0:09:44 | |
"I feel about ten years older now. | 0:09:44 | 0:09:47 | |
"But it doesn't alter my love for you, dear. | 0:09:47 | 0:09:50 | |
"In fact, it's greater than ever. | 0:09:50 | 0:09:52 | |
"We are still waiting for that second honeymoon. | 0:09:53 | 0:09:56 | |
"Still, it'll be all the sweeter when it do eventually come. | 0:09:56 | 0:09:59 | |
"I lay awake planning where it will be, | 0:09:59 | 0:10:02 | |
"but I always plan a different place, | 0:10:02 | 0:10:04 | |
"so I think I will leave it entirely to you, sweetheart. | 0:10:04 | 0:10:09 | |
"Remember, I still love you, darling. | 0:10:09 | 0:10:12 | |
"More than ever, I love you. Always yours, Ron." | 0:10:12 | 0:10:15 | |
So, are these sort of concrete structures relics from the wartime? | 0:10:26 | 0:10:29 | |
-Would they have been here? -Yes, there was, um, a shelter. | 0:10:29 | 0:10:33 | |
Over there was the foundation of a barrack for the guards | 0:10:33 | 0:10:37 | |
and, over there, there was the kitchen area | 0:10:37 | 0:10:39 | |
and behind the kitchen was the camp with such barracks for prisoners. | 0:10:39 | 0:10:44 | |
-So those are the huts you'd have lived in? -Yes. -Yeah? -Yeah. | 0:10:44 | 0:10:47 | |
I notice the windows are open there, though. | 0:10:47 | 0:10:50 | |
That must've been the summer, cos, in the winter, the frost was | 0:10:50 | 0:10:54 | |
so heavy, sometimes we had icicles inside... | 0:10:54 | 0:10:58 | |
-Inside the windows? -Inside the windows. | 0:10:58 | 0:11:00 | |
What were they like inside? | 0:11:00 | 0:11:02 | |
-Um... -That's exactly how they were. | 0:11:02 | 0:11:05 | |
I had that one, right on the end there. | 0:11:05 | 0:11:07 | |
-Did you? -I'm going to fill up... -HIS VOICE CRACKS | 0:11:07 | 0:11:10 | |
..seeing that. | 0:11:10 | 0:11:12 | |
All emotional, yes, I can see me in that... | 0:11:12 | 0:11:16 | |
HE SOBS | 0:11:16 | 0:11:18 | |
-You can see yourself back there, can you, in that bunk? -Yeah, yeah. | 0:11:18 | 0:11:22 | |
'Although uncomfortable, the British barracks were palatial | 0:11:24 | 0:11:27 | |
'compared to conditions in the concentration camps. | 0:11:27 | 0:11:31 | |
'Jews who hadn't been gassed on arrival | 0:11:31 | 0:11:33 | |
'were stacked like animals in sub-human conditions. | 0:11:33 | 0:11:37 | |
'Exhausted by cold and lack of food, | 0:11:37 | 0:11:40 | |
'they were forced to work by the kapos, | 0:11:40 | 0:11:42 | |
'privileged prisoners who'd beat them savagely.' | 0:11:42 | 0:11:46 | |
They treated the Jews, you wouldn't believe it. Shocking! | 0:11:46 | 0:11:49 | |
We used to boo the...the guards and all sorts, and the kapos. | 0:11:49 | 0:11:53 | |
But what can you do? We were prisoners of war. | 0:11:53 | 0:11:57 | |
One day, I had a food parcel, | 0:11:58 | 0:12:01 | |
so I had a piece of sausage and I took it to the works | 0:12:01 | 0:12:04 | |
and I gave it to one of the Jews, he said his name was Josef. | 0:12:04 | 0:12:08 | |
And a couple of days after, look, he gave me that ring. | 0:12:08 | 0:12:11 | |
-This ring, that you still wear... -That's the actual ring, yes. | 0:12:11 | 0:12:15 | |
-..the ring he gave you? -I still wear it. Very sentimental. | 0:12:15 | 0:12:18 | |
What it must've meant to that man to get | 0:12:18 | 0:12:20 | |
a bit of food from you that he would give you that ring. | 0:12:20 | 0:12:22 | |
He was overwhelmed, staggered. | 0:12:22 | 0:12:25 | |
Yeah. He couldn't believe it, I suppose. | 0:12:25 | 0:12:28 | |
'Not only did the British get better food | 0:12:36 | 0:12:38 | |
'than the concentration camp inmates, | 0:12:38 | 0:12:41 | |
'but they were also allowed surprising privileges. | 0:12:41 | 0:12:44 | |
'On Sundays, they were let out of the camp to play football!' | 0:12:44 | 0:12:48 | |
The Red Cross found out that we played football on Sunday afternoon, | 0:12:49 | 0:12:54 | |
so they brought four lots of shirts, English, Scots, Welsh and Irish. | 0:12:54 | 0:13:00 | |
That's the Welsh football team. | 0:13:00 | 0:13:02 | |
-I'm the goalkeeper. -Amazing! That's you right there? -Yeah. | 0:13:02 | 0:13:06 | |
Everyone's got the feathers on their chests? | 0:13:06 | 0:13:08 | |
Yes, they were the paper ones. | 0:13:08 | 0:13:10 | |
But that one, I embroidered it out of old socks. | 0:13:10 | 0:13:15 | |
-That's amazing! So you did this? -I did that, yeah. | 0:13:15 | 0:13:18 | |
We used to look forward to Sunday afternoons. | 0:13:18 | 0:13:22 | |
Even the guards looked forward to it! | 0:13:22 | 0:13:24 | |
They used to cheer and... | 0:13:24 | 0:13:26 | |
The factory workers used to come round. | 0:13:26 | 0:13:29 | |
The whole pitch was surrounded. | 0:13:29 | 0:13:31 | |
Few men can say they've played for Wales. | 0:13:31 | 0:13:34 | |
-RON LAUGHS -Fewer still representing Wales... | 0:13:34 | 0:13:36 | |
-Yeah. -..here in Auschwitz. -Yeah. | 0:13:36 | 0:13:39 | |
Peter, it seems almost against our understanding of this place that | 0:13:39 | 0:13:43 | |
these prisoners would be allowed to play football, or enjoy themselves? | 0:13:43 | 0:13:46 | |
-Yes. -Why? | 0:13:46 | 0:13:48 | |
But I think because the, er... British prisoners of war were under | 0:13:48 | 0:13:53 | |
the military administration and, as such, they had certain rights. | 0:13:53 | 0:13:57 | |
And, of course, from time to time, the representatives | 0:13:57 | 0:14:00 | |
of the Red Cross could visit this camp of the British. | 0:14:00 | 0:14:03 | |
They would hear complaints about it and so, | 0:14:03 | 0:14:06 | |
that was why the Germans, um, tried to keep certain standards. | 0:14:06 | 0:14:10 | |
-Er, I mean, to be having fun... -RON LAUGHS | 0:14:10 | 0:14:13 | |
..which is not a word associated with this part of Poland. | 0:14:13 | 0:14:17 | |
I mean, did it seem strange having this release | 0:14:17 | 0:14:19 | |
-when other things were going on? -No. | 0:14:19 | 0:14:21 | |
The Germans wouldn't believe that they couldn't get us down. | 0:14:21 | 0:14:25 | |
-Even here? -No, never got us down. -With the most terrible and horrific | 0:14:25 | 0:14:28 | |
-deeds of humankind going on around you? -No, never got us down, no. | 0:14:28 | 0:14:32 | |
'Whilst British prisoners were able to escape | 0:14:49 | 0:14:52 | |
'into a fantasy world of football once a week, | 0:14:52 | 0:14:55 | |
'for Jews, like Josef, Auschwitz held a very different reality.' | 0:14:55 | 0:15:01 | |
Do you know what happened to Josef? | 0:15:04 | 0:15:07 | |
Yes. About a fortnight after, he gave me the ring. | 0:15:07 | 0:15:11 | |
And when he disappeared one morning... | 0:15:11 | 0:15:13 | |
I asked one of his colleagues, | 0:15:14 | 0:15:16 | |
"Where was Josef?" | 0:15:16 | 0:15:18 | |
And that's all he said, "Gas chamber. Kaput." | 0:15:18 | 0:15:22 | |
That's just how he put it. That's just how he said it. | 0:15:22 | 0:15:25 | |
They were too weak to work so they took them to the gas chamber. | 0:15:25 | 0:15:29 | |
Could you imagine those final moments for Josef | 0:15:31 | 0:15:34 | |
in somewhere like this? | 0:15:34 | 0:15:35 | |
Yes. Yes. Yes. | 0:15:35 | 0:15:37 | |
I knew exactly. | 0:15:37 | 0:15:38 | |
We used to get terrible nightmares. | 0:15:41 | 0:15:44 | |
We all thought that if the Germans were pushed, | 0:15:44 | 0:15:47 | |
they'd put us in the gas chamber. | 0:15:47 | 0:15:50 | |
"I am like you, dear, | 0:15:55 | 0:15:56 | |
"wanting the day when we are together again | 0:15:56 | 0:15:59 | |
"and we don't need to write. | 0:15:59 | 0:16:01 | |
"We'll be able say all we want to in each other's arms. | 0:16:01 | 0:16:04 | |
"Sometimes it gets unbearable. | 0:16:04 | 0:16:07 | |
"Then I lay down and try and sleep to forget. | 0:16:07 | 0:16:09 | |
"More often than not, it is impossible, darling. | 0:16:09 | 0:16:12 | |
"I love you terrible and it seems as though I love you more now | 0:16:14 | 0:16:17 | |
"than when I left. | 0:16:17 | 0:16:19 | |
"They say 'absence makes the heart grow fonder', | 0:16:19 | 0:16:22 | |
"and I believe it's right too. | 0:16:22 | 0:16:24 | |
"I'm longing to give those luscious kisses you are waiting for, my dear. | 0:16:24 | 0:16:28 | |
"You're not fading from my memory, dearest. | 0:16:28 | 0:16:31 | |
"Your ever-adoring, loving Ron." | 0:16:31 | 0:16:34 | |
NEWSREEL: 'People of Western Europe, | 0:16:49 | 0:16:51 | |
'a landing was made this morning | 0:16:51 | 0:16:53 | |
'on the coast of France by troops of the Allied Expeditionary Force. | 0:16:53 | 0:16:57 | |
'The hour of your liberation is approaching.' | 0:16:57 | 0:16:59 | |
-NEWSREEL: -'Fighter planes roam Europe | 0:17:01 | 0:17:03 | |
'knocking out railroads and highways, | 0:17:03 | 0:17:05 | |
'harassing enemy motor transport, tanks and troop concentrations, | 0:17:05 | 0:17:08 | |
'and chewing up German communications.' | 0:17:08 | 0:17:11 | |
As the Allies drove Hitler back, | 0:17:13 | 0:17:15 | |
American bombers set their sights on targets deep within enemy territory. | 0:17:15 | 0:17:21 | |
IG Farben's massive factory complex was hit | 0:17:21 | 0:17:24 | |
but not all the bombs were on target. | 0:17:24 | 0:17:27 | |
Ron wanted to visit a nearby cemetery. | 0:17:28 | 0:17:31 | |
Interesting. This is, um, | 0:17:32 | 0:17:33 | |
a plaque "commemorating | 0:17:33 | 0:17:35 | |
"the following British servicemen who died | 0:17:35 | 0:17:38 | |
"in the British POW Camp E715, Stalag 8B..." That was your... | 0:17:38 | 0:17:43 | |
That's it. | 0:17:43 | 0:17:45 | |
That was your camp. | 0:17:45 | 0:17:46 | |
-"..On the 27th August 1944." -I'll see if I can remember anybody. | 0:17:46 | 0:17:50 | |
Do you recognise some of these names? | 0:17:50 | 0:17:51 | |
Harold Rush, yeah, I remember him. | 0:17:53 | 0:17:56 | |
-So this is from a bomb that fell... -Yeah. | 0:17:56 | 0:18:00 | |
-In our camp. -An American bomb? -Yeah. -And all these men... | 0:18:00 | 0:18:03 | |
-..died on that one... -Yeah. -From that one bomb? -Yeah, 39. | 0:18:04 | 0:18:07 | |
Did you see what happened? | 0:18:07 | 0:18:08 | |
Yeah, of course I did. Yeah. I helped to get them out. | 0:18:08 | 0:18:12 | |
What happened? | 0:18:12 | 0:18:13 | |
-Well... -Where were they? -In the slit trench. | 0:18:13 | 0:18:16 | |
And one bomb dropped right in the entrance to it. | 0:18:16 | 0:18:18 | |
-Right in the entrance? -Right in the entrance. | 0:18:18 | 0:18:20 | |
-So all the men that were sheltering... -It was chaos there. | 0:18:20 | 0:18:23 | |
Chaos. There was a lot of men injured. | 0:18:23 | 0:18:26 | |
Why weren't you in the shelter? | 0:18:26 | 0:18:28 | |
Because I was a bit claustrophobic. I never liked the shelter. | 0:18:28 | 0:18:31 | |
Lucky. | 0:18:33 | 0:18:35 | |
You came close a few times and probably none closer than | 0:18:35 | 0:18:38 | |
when that bomb went off that day. | 0:18:38 | 0:18:39 | |
Evidently. | 0:18:39 | 0:18:40 | |
There's another plaque on that gate there. | 0:18:42 | 0:18:44 | |
-It says, bizarrely, an American bomb landed in this cemetery... -Yes. | 0:18:44 | 0:18:49 | |
-So they say. -..in 1945. -I didn't know that. | 0:18:49 | 0:18:51 | |
-On the grave of the 38. -I didn't know that. | 0:18:51 | 0:18:54 | |
-And they were bombed twice. -I didn't know that. | 0:18:54 | 0:18:56 | |
Once in life and once in death. | 0:18:56 | 0:18:58 | |
I... I didn't know that. | 0:18:59 | 0:19:01 | |
In January 1945, with fighting drawing closer to | 0:19:09 | 0:19:13 | |
Auschwitz, Nazi guards evacuated 56,000 prisoners | 0:19:13 | 0:19:17 | |
from the concentration camp | 0:19:17 | 0:19:19 | |
in what's become known as the "Death March". | 0:19:19 | 0:19:22 | |
British prisoners, from Camp E715, were also moved out. | 0:19:22 | 0:19:28 | |
It was absolutely freezing. | 0:19:28 | 0:19:31 | |
-I think the temperature was 15 or 20 below. -Wow. | 0:19:31 | 0:19:35 | |
Three foot of snow on the roads. | 0:19:35 | 0:19:38 | |
No food. | 0:19:38 | 0:19:39 | |
I remember kicking a pig out of the way once | 0:19:39 | 0:19:42 | |
and pinching the potato he was eating. | 0:19:42 | 0:19:43 | |
So there weren't any rations? | 0:19:43 | 0:19:45 | |
-There were no sort of provisions for you in -any way? Nothing at all. | 0:19:45 | 0:19:48 | |
-You were just scavenging? Just whatever you could get? -Yeah. | 0:19:48 | 0:19:51 | |
I remember once it was a couple of chickens. We ate them an all, raw. | 0:19:51 | 0:19:55 | |
-Raw? -Yeah. | 0:19:55 | 0:19:57 | |
Our boots started to fall apart, | 0:19:57 | 0:19:59 | |
so in the end we threw them away. | 0:19:59 | 0:20:01 | |
And I found some old sacks | 0:20:01 | 0:20:03 | |
and wrapped some sacks round my feet. | 0:20:03 | 0:20:04 | |
So, how far was the march? | 0:20:04 | 0:20:07 | |
17 weeks. | 0:20:07 | 0:20:09 | |
Oh... | 0:20:09 | 0:20:10 | |
And some actually died. | 0:20:10 | 0:20:12 | |
The guards used to just push them in the snow on the side | 0:20:12 | 0:20:14 | |
of the road and left them there. | 0:20:14 | 0:20:16 | |
I had this Rolex Oyster watch, and on the march | 0:20:18 | 0:20:21 | |
I had a haversack on my back and I was holding it like this. | 0:20:21 | 0:20:25 | |
And a German officer seen my watch. | 0:20:25 | 0:20:27 | |
"You may as well give it to me now," | 0:20:27 | 0:20:29 | |
he said, "you're going to die anyway. | 0:20:29 | 0:20:31 | |
"You're never going to complete this march." | 0:20:31 | 0:20:33 | |
Cos men WERE dying on the side of the road. Anyway, he didn't take it. | 0:20:33 | 0:20:38 | |
And one day he came one morning with a sack of bread. | 0:20:38 | 0:20:43 | |
There must've been eight or ten loaves of bread in the sack. | 0:20:43 | 0:20:46 | |
I was starving. I couldn't get the watch off quick enough, could I? | 0:20:46 | 0:20:50 | |
So three of my mates and me, we had a meal. | 0:20:50 | 0:20:54 | |
It was only dry bread but, believe me, it was like eating honey. | 0:20:54 | 0:20:58 | |
It lasted about four or five days so maybe that's why I'm still alive. | 0:20:59 | 0:21:03 | |
Having crossed Czechoslovakia, | 0:21:03 | 0:21:07 | |
the Brits stumbled into Southern Germany - 500 miles from Auschwitz. | 0:21:07 | 0:21:12 | |
The end of April '45, | 0:21:12 | 0:21:16 | |
they shut is in a van at Regensburg, as usual, | 0:21:16 | 0:21:20 | |
and they didn't open up the following morning. | 0:21:20 | 0:21:24 | |
It must've been three or four days. | 0:21:24 | 0:21:26 | |
And then one morning, there was a rumbling noise outside, | 0:21:26 | 0:21:29 | |
and bang, and the doors burst open, | 0:21:29 | 0:21:33 | |
-and it was an American tank. -Oh! | 0:21:33 | 0:21:35 | |
-It must've been amazing. -Oh, amazing. It was. Exhilarating. | 0:21:35 | 0:21:38 | |
We were cheering and shouting. | 0:21:38 | 0:21:41 | |
I even saw one of our boys caught hold of the driver of the tank | 0:21:41 | 0:21:45 | |
and hugged him. | 0:21:45 | 0:21:46 | |
Although close to death, Ron was one of the lucky ones. | 0:21:52 | 0:21:55 | |
As Hitler retreated, the Allies | 0:21:55 | 0:21:58 | |
and Red Army broke open Nazi concentration camps across Europe. | 0:21:58 | 0:22:03 | |
They filmed what they found. The world watched in disbelief. | 0:22:03 | 0:22:08 | |
NEWSREEL: 'Allied leaders came to the camp | 0:22:09 | 0:22:12 | |
'soon after the troops overran it. | 0:22:12 | 0:22:13 | |
'And civilians of the Allied Investigation Commission | 0:22:13 | 0:22:16 | |
'came to authenticate to the world | 0:22:16 | 0:22:18 | |
'horrors that human beings found hard to believe. | 0:22:18 | 0:22:21 | |
'Thousands of garments were stripped from prisoners. | 0:22:23 | 0:22:26 | |
'Women's clothes. | 0:22:26 | 0:22:28 | |
'Infants' shoes. | 0:22:29 | 0:22:31 | |
'Even toys and dolls. | 0:22:31 | 0:22:34 | |
'Human hair cut before death dulled its lustre. | 0:22:37 | 0:22:40 | |
'Wedding rings.' | 0:22:41 | 0:22:42 | |
At Auschwitz, Soviet troops discovered 7,000 prisoners | 0:22:44 | 0:22:48 | |
'abandoned by the Nazis, | 0:22:48 | 0:22:50 | |
'and evidence of genocide on an industrial scale.' | 0:22:50 | 0:22:54 | |
'These are children who survived at Auschwitz. | 0:22:55 | 0:22:58 | |
'Their parents and relatives had been murdered by poison gas. | 0:22:58 | 0:23:02 | |
'Nothing left to identify them | 0:23:02 | 0:23:04 | |
'except the numbers the Nazis tattooed on their arms.' | 0:23:04 | 0:23:07 | |
It is estimated that more than a million people | 0:23:10 | 0:23:13 | |
were killed at Auschwitz. | 0:23:13 | 0:23:15 | |
10,000 of those died working for IG Farben. | 0:23:15 | 0:23:19 | |
A group of Ron's fellow prisoners from Camp E715 | 0:23:21 | 0:23:25 | |
gave evidence at the Nuremberg trials. | 0:23:25 | 0:23:28 | |
13 managers from IG Farben were imprisoned | 0:23:28 | 0:23:31 | |
and the conglomerate broken up into smaller companies, | 0:23:31 | 0:23:34 | |
including BASF and Bayer, which still trade today. | 0:23:34 | 0:23:39 | |
Ron Jones has never been compensated for his years of slave labour. | 0:23:41 | 0:23:45 | |
Ron, when you finally arrived back here in Newport, | 0:23:51 | 0:23:54 | |
you'd been through so much, what state were you in? | 0:23:54 | 0:23:57 | |
Oh, I was in a shocking state. | 0:23:57 | 0:23:59 | |
Nerves... | 0:23:59 | 0:24:01 | |
weak... | 0:24:01 | 0:24:02 | |
couldn't straighten up. | 0:24:02 | 0:24:03 | |
I couldn't carry my kitbag - I was dragging it. | 0:24:04 | 0:24:08 | |
-I was just over 7st. -Wow. -From 13st weight. | 0:24:08 | 0:24:12 | |
I lost seven teeth, loose through malnutrition. | 0:24:12 | 0:24:17 | |
-What state were you in mentally, you know? -A bag of nerves. | 0:24:17 | 0:24:22 | |
I'd be like this all the time, | 0:24:22 | 0:24:24 | |
thinking there was somebody behind me. | 0:24:24 | 0:24:26 | |
I'd walk up the stairs backwards. I wouldn't walk up frontways. | 0:24:26 | 0:24:30 | |
-You'd walk up the stairs backwards? -Yeah, | 0:24:30 | 0:24:32 | |
-walking upstairs backwards. -Always watching your back? | 0:24:32 | 0:24:34 | |
-Always walking back. -Always trying to protect yourself? -Yeah. | 0:24:34 | 0:24:37 | |
-I suppose today we'd call it post-traumatic stress disorder. -Yes. | 0:24:37 | 0:24:40 | |
-Yes. -Sounds like what you had. -I didn't realise it then, of course. | 0:24:40 | 0:24:43 | |
I used to wake up shouting and covered in perspiration. | 0:24:43 | 0:24:48 | |
How similar were you to the Ron that had left five years before? | 0:24:48 | 0:24:51 | |
Oh, nothing. Nothing like it at all. | 0:24:51 | 0:24:52 | |
I was an extremely fit fellow, bright as a button, | 0:24:52 | 0:24:56 | |
full of life | 0:24:56 | 0:24:58 | |
but when I came home I was like an old man. | 0:24:58 | 0:25:01 | |
I lost it all. | 0:25:02 | 0:25:05 | |
-In service... -You're bringing back memories now. | 0:25:05 | 0:25:07 | |
I know. I know. It's hard, isn't it? | 0:25:07 | 0:25:09 | |
It must've taken me all of about... oh, five years at least | 0:25:11 | 0:25:15 | |
before I would say I was a normal man again. | 0:25:15 | 0:25:18 | |
In May 1945, Ron finally returned home - to Bassaleg. | 0:25:29 | 0:25:35 | |
We were a little village and everybody knew everybody else... | 0:25:36 | 0:25:40 | |
-Yeah. -..in those days. -Yeah. | 0:25:40 | 0:25:42 | |
Today it's like a small town. | 0:25:42 | 0:25:44 | |
Did you have any doubts about whether she'd... | 0:25:44 | 0:25:48 | |
Well, she'd hopefully recognise you. But you were so different. | 0:25:48 | 0:25:51 | |
-Were you worried about that? -Yes, I was. Of course I was. | 0:25:51 | 0:25:54 | |
This is your street. | 0:25:55 | 0:25:56 | |
-That's right. -Which one was your house? | 0:25:58 | 0:25:59 | |
-Number five. That's the one. -Just there? | 0:25:59 | 0:26:02 | |
Rosemead. | 0:26:02 | 0:26:04 | |
And out here they had a great big banner up on the top there - | 0:26:14 | 0:26:18 | |
-"Welcome home." -Did they? | 0:26:18 | 0:26:20 | |
Balloons hanging from everywhere. | 0:26:20 | 0:26:22 | |
Come on then, Ron, let's have a look inside, see what you remember. | 0:26:25 | 0:26:28 | |
RON LAUGHS | 0:26:32 | 0:26:34 | |
-Well, well, well. -Your first home as a married couple. | 0:26:34 | 0:26:36 | |
-And it's still called Rosemead. -Yeah. | 0:26:36 | 0:26:39 | |
-Hello, sir. -How are you? -Very pleased to meet you. -How are you? | 0:26:39 | 0:26:41 | |
-How are you doing? -When I was here, a Mrs Jobyns owned it. -Oh, right. | 0:26:41 | 0:26:46 | |
-Do you remember Mrs Jobyns? -I don't know, no. -No. | 0:26:46 | 0:26:49 | |
And she split it into two. So we lived downstairs and she lived up. | 0:26:49 | 0:26:53 | |
-Really. -Well, well, well. | 0:26:53 | 0:26:55 | |
That was our bedroom, of course, downstairs. | 0:26:55 | 0:26:58 | |
And the door was there. | 0:26:58 | 0:27:01 | |
How does it feel to be back? | 0:27:01 | 0:27:03 | |
-Does it feel a bit strange? -Good God. | 0:27:03 | 0:27:05 | |
THEY CHUCKLE | 0:27:05 | 0:27:07 | |
Gwladys and all my family were there. | 0:27:12 | 0:27:15 | |
I walked up the steps and who should come out from the door? | 0:27:15 | 0:27:18 | |
It was Gwladys. | 0:27:18 | 0:27:20 | |
She was the first person I met. I... Oh... | 0:27:20 | 0:27:25 | |
Oh, I can't describe it, how you feel. | 0:27:25 | 0:27:27 | |
I was in seventh heaven. | 0:27:27 | 0:27:30 | |
I never let her go for hours. | 0:27:30 | 0:27:31 | |
HE CHUCKLES | 0:27:31 | 0:27:32 | |
I remember her, the first night she put in me a bath. | 0:27:35 | 0:27:38 | |
I couldn't climb in a bath. | 0:27:38 | 0:27:39 | |
She put me in the bath and she started to cry. | 0:27:39 | 0:27:42 | |
I said, "Oh, Gwlad, don't cry, love. | 0:27:42 | 0:27:44 | |
"I left men out there that are never going to come home." | 0:27:44 | 0:27:47 | |
So it has brought back plenty of memories? | 0:27:51 | 0:27:53 | |
It comes flooding back when you stand in here again? | 0:27:53 | 0:27:55 | |
I can remember. I can't believe that I'm in here. | 0:27:55 | 0:27:58 | |
Talk about excitement. | 0:28:00 | 0:28:02 | |
But how lucky were you to come home to Gwladys? | 0:28:02 | 0:28:04 | |
She'd waited for you. She... | 0:28:04 | 0:28:06 | |
-Terrific. -Five years you'd been missing for. -Terrific. Terrific. | 0:28:06 | 0:28:09 | |
I couldn't believe it. | 0:28:09 | 0:28:11 | |
Yep, those were the days. | 0:28:12 | 0:28:14 | |
# Love is the sweetest thing | 0:28:16 | 0:28:20 | |
# What else on earth could ever bring | 0:28:20 | 0:28:25 | |
# Such happiness to everything | 0:28:25 | 0:28:30 | |
# As love's old story... # | 0:28:30 | 0:28:35 | |
It's been a real honour to get to know Ron | 0:28:35 | 0:28:37 | |
and find out more about his story. | 0:28:37 | 0:28:39 | |
The fact that he's not far off 100 years old | 0:28:39 | 0:28:42 | |
yet his spark is undimmed, | 0:28:42 | 0:28:44 | |
his recall is perfect and, quite frankly, | 0:28:44 | 0:28:47 | |
it's hard to tire him out | 0:28:47 | 0:28:49 | |
just give you a small hint of what an incredible man he is. | 0:28:49 | 0:28:53 | |
Of course it's impossible to comprehend some of the things | 0:28:53 | 0:28:57 | |
that happened during the war, but one thing is very clear, | 0:28:57 | 0:29:00 | |
in this time of extreme hatred, it was love that drove Ron on. | 0:29:00 | 0:29:05 | |
Well, that and perhaps a bit of football. | 0:29:05 | 0:29:08 | |
# ..This is the song without end | 0:29:09 | 0:29:14 | |
# Love is the strongest thing | 0:29:14 | 0:29:18 | |
# The oldest | 0:29:18 | 0:29:22 | |
# Yet the latest thing | 0:29:22 | 0:29:24 | |
# I only hope that fate may bring | 0:29:24 | 0:29:29 | |
# Love's story to you | 0:29:29 | 0:29:32 | |
# Love is the sweetest thing. # | 0:29:37 | 0:29:39 |