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I want to start tonight very near the beginning | 0:00:16 | 0:00:21 | |
of the whole tradition of Western literature, | 0:00:21 | 0:00:25 | |
and with its first recorded example, and there must be many unrecorded, | 0:00:25 | 0:00:32 | |
the first recorded example of a man telling a woman to shut up. | 0:00:32 | 0:00:37 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:00:37 | 0:00:38 | |
That her voice is not to be heard in public. | 0:00:38 | 0:00:42 | |
I'm thinking of a particular moment, | 0:00:43 | 0:00:46 | |
immortalised at the start of Homer's Odyssey, one of the founding epics | 0:00:46 | 0:00:51 | |
of the Western literary tradition, almost 3,000 years old. | 0:00:51 | 0:00:57 | |
Now we tend to think of the Odyssey | 0:00:57 | 0:00:59 | |
as the story of the Greek hero Odysseus | 0:00:59 | 0:01:02 | |
and the adventures and scrapes | 0:01:02 | 0:01:04 | |
he had returning home after the Trojan War, | 0:01:04 | 0:01:08 | |
while for decades his wife, Penelope, | 0:01:08 | 0:01:12 | |
here sitting by her loom, | 0:01:12 | 0:01:14 | |
loyally waited for him, fending off the suitors pressing to marry her. | 0:01:14 | 0:01:20 | |
But the Odyssey is just as much a story of Telemachus, | 0:01:22 | 0:01:27 | |
the son of Odysseus, seen here facing her. | 0:01:27 | 0:01:31 | |
It's the story of his growing up, | 0:01:32 | 0:01:35 | |
how, over the course of this long poem, he matures from boy to man. | 0:01:35 | 0:01:42 | |
It's a process that starts in the very first book like this. | 0:01:42 | 0:01:47 | |
One day, in the family palace, | 0:01:48 | 0:01:51 | |
Penelope comes down from her private quarters into the great hall, | 0:01:51 | 0:01:57 | |
to find a bard performing to throngs of her suitors | 0:01:57 | 0:02:01 | |
and he is singing about the awful difficulties the Greek heroes | 0:02:01 | 0:02:05 | |
are having in their attempts to get back home after the war. | 0:02:05 | 0:02:11 | |
Penelope is not amused and, in front of everybody, | 0:02:12 | 0:02:17 | |
she asks him to choose another happier number. | 0:02:17 | 0:02:21 | |
At which point, young Telemachus intervenes. | 0:02:21 | 0:02:26 | |
"Mother," he says, | 0:02:26 | 0:02:28 | |
"Go back up to your quarters and take up your own work, | 0:02:28 | 0:02:33 | |
"the loom and the distaff. | 0:02:33 | 0:02:36 | |
"Speech will be the business of men, all men and me most of all, | 0:02:36 | 0:02:44 | |
"for mine is the power in this household." | 0:02:44 | 0:02:49 | |
And off she goes, back upstairs. | 0:02:49 | 0:02:52 | |
Now, there is, I have to say, | 0:02:52 | 0:02:55 | |
something faintly ridiculous | 0:02:55 | 0:02:57 | |
about this sort of wet-behind-the-ears teenager | 0:02:57 | 0:03:01 | |
actually managing to shut up the savvy, middle-aged Penelope. | 0:03:01 | 0:03:06 | |
But he does that, | 0:03:06 | 0:03:09 | |
and it's a nice demonstration that, right at the very beginning, | 0:03:09 | 0:03:14 | |
where the Western literary tradition starts, | 0:03:14 | 0:03:18 | |
women's voices are not being heard in the public sphere | 0:03:18 | 0:03:23 | |
and, more than that, as Homer has it, | 0:03:23 | 0:03:26 | |
an integral part of growing up to be a man is learning to take | 0:03:26 | 0:03:33 | |
control of public utterance and to silence the female of the species. | 0:03:33 | 0:03:39 | |
Actually, the very words Telemachus uses are significant, too. | 0:03:40 | 0:03:47 | |
When he says, "Speech is men's business," | 0:03:47 | 0:03:51 | |
the word he uses for speech is "muthos". | 0:03:51 | 0:03:55 | |
Now, that's not actually | 0:03:55 | 0:03:57 | |
in the sense that it has come down to us as "myth". | 0:03:57 | 0:04:01 | |
In Homeric Greek, it signals authoritative public speech, | 0:04:01 | 0:04:07 | |
not the kind of chatting and prattling and gossip | 0:04:07 | 0:04:11 | |
that anyone, women included or especially women, could do. | 0:04:11 | 0:04:17 | |
The line is, Mum can chat, but woe betide her | 0:04:17 | 0:04:22 | |
if she tries to command muthos, the voice of authority. | 0:04:22 | 0:04:26 | |
But what I want to do this evening is to reflect | 0:04:28 | 0:04:31 | |
on the relationship between that classic Homeric moment | 0:04:31 | 0:04:36 | |
of silencing a woman | 0:04:36 | 0:04:40 | |
and some of the ways in which women's voices are not | 0:04:40 | 0:04:45 | |
publicly heard in our own contemporary culture | 0:04:45 | 0:04:49 | |
and in our own politics, from the front bench to the shop floor. | 0:04:49 | 0:04:54 | |
It is a well-known deafness which is nicely captured | 0:04:56 | 0:05:00 | |
in this Punch cartoon, | 0:05:00 | 0:05:03 | |
drawn, needless to say, by a woman. | 0:05:03 | 0:05:06 | |
You've seen this many times in many areas. | 0:05:06 | 0:05:09 | |
There are five blokes around the table, | 0:05:09 | 0:05:12 | |
one nice lady called Miss Triggs, and the Chair is saying, | 0:05:12 | 0:05:16 | |
in case you can't quite read it, | 0:05:16 | 0:05:18 | |
"That's an excellent suggestion, Miss Triggs. | 0:05:18 | 0:05:22 | |
"Perhaps one of the men here would like to make it." | 0:05:22 | 0:05:25 | |
We will be coming back to this cartoon later. | 0:05:28 | 0:05:31 | |
But I also want to look briefly at how, again, this Homeric moment | 0:05:31 | 0:05:38 | |
might also relate to | 0:05:38 | 0:05:40 | |
the abuse that many women who do speak out | 0:05:40 | 0:05:46 | |
get subjected to even now. | 0:05:46 | 0:05:50 | |
Now, I want to underline | 0:05:50 | 0:05:52 | |
that I am trying to concentrate much more on voice tonight | 0:05:52 | 0:05:57 | |
than on writing or on physical appearance. | 0:05:57 | 0:06:02 | |
One of the questions at the back of my mind, | 0:06:02 | 0:06:05 | |
to put it very simply, | 0:06:05 | 0:06:08 | |
is what's the connection between, say, publicly speaking out | 0:06:08 | 0:06:12 | |
in support of a female logo on a banknote, | 0:06:12 | 0:06:17 | |
Twitter threats of rape and decapitation, | 0:06:17 | 0:06:20 | |
and Telemachus's put-down of Penelope? | 0:06:20 | 0:06:24 | |
Now, I have to be the first to acknowledge that it might | 0:06:26 | 0:06:30 | |
seem a bit paradoxical, maybe even slightly self-defeating, | 0:06:30 | 0:06:35 | |
for me here to be speaking publicly in front of this great audience | 0:06:35 | 0:06:39 | |
about the obstacles confronting women | 0:06:39 | 0:06:42 | |
in finding a public voice or a public ear. | 0:06:42 | 0:06:46 | |
There will be some people who are saying, | 0:06:46 | 0:06:49 | |
"She's got a bit of a nerve to try that." | 0:06:49 | 0:06:52 | |
I'm going to come back again to that question, too, | 0:06:52 | 0:06:54 | |
but let me say now, | 0:06:54 | 0:06:56 | |
this is not intended to be an hour-long complaint. | 0:06:56 | 0:07:00 | |
Nor am I wanting to suggest | 0:07:00 | 0:07:03 | |
any blanket rules about women's silence, | 0:07:03 | 0:07:06 | |
if that is how we should see it. | 0:07:06 | 0:07:09 | |
I want to say it is much more complicated than that. | 0:07:09 | 0:07:12 | |
My aim, rather, is to try to take a long view, | 0:07:12 | 0:07:16 | |
a very long view on what I see as the culturally awkward relationship | 0:07:16 | 0:07:24 | |
between the voice of women and the public sphere | 0:07:24 | 0:07:28 | |
of speech-making, debate and comment, | 0:07:28 | 0:07:32 | |
politics in its widest sense, | 0:07:32 | 0:07:35 | |
whether it is in the office or the floor of the House of Commons. | 0:07:35 | 0:07:39 | |
I am hoping that a long view will help us get beyond | 0:07:39 | 0:07:44 | |
the simple diagnosis of misogyny that I think | 0:07:44 | 0:07:48 | |
we tend to fall back on a bit lazily, to be honest. | 0:07:48 | 0:07:53 | |
I mean, to be sure, misogyny is one of the things that is going on here. | 0:07:53 | 0:07:59 | |
Speaking personally, if you go on a television discussion programme | 0:07:59 | 0:08:03 | |
and then you receive a load of tweets | 0:08:03 | 0:08:06 | |
comparing your genitalia to a variety of rotting vegetables, | 0:08:06 | 0:08:10 | |
it's hard not to think misogyny is an apt term for what's going on. | 0:08:10 | 0:08:16 | |
But if we want to, I think, understand better | 0:08:18 | 0:08:20 | |
and even more do something about the fact that women, | 0:08:20 | 0:08:25 | |
even when they are not actually silenced, yet still tend to pay | 0:08:25 | 0:08:30 | |
a very high price in our culture to have their voices heard, | 0:08:30 | 0:08:36 | |
we have, I think, to recognise that it's all a bit more complicated | 0:08:36 | 0:08:40 | |
than that and that there is a long back story. | 0:08:40 | 0:08:44 | |
And I'm starting with the back story. | 0:08:44 | 0:08:47 | |
Because you won't be surprised to learn that Telemachus's outburst | 0:08:47 | 0:08:52 | |
is just the first in a long line of largely successful attempts | 0:08:52 | 0:08:58 | |
stretching throughout Greco-Roman antiquity, | 0:08:58 | 0:09:02 | |
not just to exclude women from public speech, | 0:09:02 | 0:09:07 | |
but also to boast that they have been excluded. | 0:09:07 | 0:09:11 | |
To give you just a very quick flavour, | 0:09:12 | 0:09:15 | |
in the early fourth century BC, | 0:09:15 | 0:09:18 | |
the Greek playwright Aristophanes devoted a whole comedy | 0:09:18 | 0:09:23 | |
to the "hilarious" fantasy | 0:09:23 | 0:09:27 | |
that women might actually take over running the state. | 0:09:27 | 0:09:32 | |
Part of the joke was that women just couldn't speak properly in public, | 0:09:32 | 0:09:38 | |
or rather they couldn't adapt their private speech, | 0:09:38 | 0:09:43 | |
which in this case turns out to be all about sex, | 0:09:43 | 0:09:48 | |
they couldn't adapt their private speech to the lofty idiom | 0:09:48 | 0:09:52 | |
of male Athenian politics. | 0:09:52 | 0:09:54 | |
In the Roman world, Ovid's wonderful Metamorphoses, | 0:09:56 | 0:10:02 | |
that extraordinary mythological epic poem about people changing shape, | 0:10:02 | 0:10:08 | |
probably the most influential work of literature on Western art | 0:10:08 | 0:10:13 | |
after the Bible ever, | 0:10:13 | 0:10:15 | |
the Metamorphoses repeatedly returns to the idea of the silencing | 0:10:15 | 0:10:22 | |
of women in the process of their transformation. | 0:10:22 | 0:10:26 | |
Here is a 17th-century version of poor Io, | 0:10:28 | 0:10:31 | |
who's been turned into a cow by Jupiter, | 0:10:31 | 0:10:35 | |
so she cannot talk but only moo. | 0:10:35 | 0:10:38 | |
While the chatty nymph, Echo, is punished by being condemned | 0:10:39 | 0:10:45 | |
only to be able to repeat the words of others. | 0:10:45 | 0:10:49 | |
Waterhouse here, in this famous picture, | 0:10:49 | 0:10:53 | |
has her gazing at Narcissus, | 0:10:53 | 0:10:55 | |
but unable to initiate conversation with him, while he, | 0:10:55 | 0:11:00 | |
the original narcissist, | 0:11:00 | 0:11:02 | |
has fallen in love with his own image in the pond. | 0:11:02 | 0:11:05 | |
In the realm of history rather than myth, | 0:11:07 | 0:11:10 | |
one earnest Roman anthologist of the first century AD | 0:11:10 | 0:11:15 | |
managed to rake up just three examples of | 0:11:15 | 0:11:20 | |
"women whose natural condition | 0:11:20 | 0:11:24 | |
"did not manage to keep them silent in the forum." | 0:11:24 | 0:11:29 | |
His descriptions are quite revealing. | 0:11:29 | 0:11:33 | |
The first, a woman called Maesia, | 0:11:33 | 0:11:36 | |
successfully defended herself in the courts | 0:11:36 | 0:11:39 | |
and "because she really had a man's nature, | 0:11:39 | 0:11:43 | |
"under the appearance of a woman, | 0:11:43 | 0:11:46 | |
"was called the Androgyne, the man-woman." | 0:11:46 | 0:11:50 | |
The second, Afrania, used to initiate legal cases herself | 0:11:50 | 0:11:56 | |
and was "impudent enough" to plead in person, | 0:11:56 | 0:12:01 | |
so that people became tired out with her barking or yapping. | 0:12:01 | 0:12:06 | |
See how, in this account, she still doesn't have a human voice. | 0:12:06 | 0:12:10 | |
She's turned into a dog already. | 0:12:10 | 0:12:12 | |
We're told that she died in 48 BC because, | 0:12:12 | 0:12:17 | |
and I'm quoting again, "with unnatural freaks like this, | 0:12:17 | 0:12:22 | |
"it's more important to record when they died, | 0:12:22 | 0:12:25 | |
"not when they were born." | 0:12:25 | 0:12:28 | |
Now, there are just two main exceptions in the classical world | 0:12:29 | 0:12:33 | |
to this abomination of women's public speaking. | 0:12:33 | 0:12:38 | |
First, women are allowed to speak out | 0:12:39 | 0:12:43 | |
as victims and as martyrs, | 0:12:43 | 0:12:47 | |
usually to announce their own forthcoming death. | 0:12:47 | 0:12:51 | |
Early Christian women, for example, are regularly represented, | 0:12:52 | 0:12:57 | |
loudly upholding their faith as they go to be eaten by the lions. | 0:12:57 | 0:13:02 | |
And in a famous story from the early history of Rome, | 0:13:03 | 0:13:09 | |
the virtuous Lucretia, | 0:13:09 | 0:13:11 | |
raped by a brutal prince of the ruling house, | 0:13:11 | 0:13:15 | |
was given a speaking part | 0:13:15 | 0:13:17 | |
solely to denounce the rapist and announce her own suicide. | 0:13:17 | 0:13:23 | |
Or so Roman writers presented it. | 0:13:23 | 0:13:25 | |
We haven't a clue what really happened. | 0:13:25 | 0:13:28 | |
Here you have a 16th-century image of the rape at the top | 0:13:28 | 0:13:32 | |
and there, Lucretia underneath, announcing what she's going to do. | 0:13:32 | 0:13:37 | |
But even this rather bitter opportunity to speak | 0:13:37 | 0:13:41 | |
could also itself be removed from women. | 0:13:41 | 0:13:44 | |
One memorable story, in Ovid's Metamorphoses again, | 0:13:44 | 0:13:48 | |
tells, I'm afraid, of yet another rape, | 0:13:48 | 0:13:52 | |
this time of the young Princess Philomela. | 0:13:52 | 0:13:54 | |
In order to prevent any Lucretia-style denunciation here, | 0:13:56 | 0:14:01 | |
the rapist, as you see, quite simply cuts her tongue out. | 0:14:01 | 0:14:06 | |
It's a theme that you probably know gets picked up again | 0:14:06 | 0:14:10 | |
in Shakespeare's Titus Andronicus, | 0:14:10 | 0:14:14 | |
where the raped Lavinia there | 0:14:14 | 0:14:16 | |
has her tongue removed. | 0:14:16 | 0:14:18 | |
The second exception to women's silences, | 0:14:20 | 0:14:23 | |
perhaps a more familiar one, | 0:14:23 | 0:14:24 | |
occasionally a woman could legitimately rise up to speak | 0:14:24 | 0:14:29 | |
to defend her home, her kids, | 0:14:29 | 0:14:34 | |
her husband or the interests of other women. | 0:14:34 | 0:14:38 | |
So, in the third of the three examples of female oratory | 0:14:40 | 0:14:44 | |
discussed by the Roman anthologist, | 0:14:44 | 0:14:46 | |
the woman, Hortensia by name, gets away with it | 0:14:46 | 0:14:51 | |
because she is acting explicitly as the spokesperson | 0:14:51 | 0:14:55 | |
of the other women of Rome, the women only, | 0:14:55 | 0:14:59 | |
after they had been subject to a special wealth tax | 0:14:59 | 0:15:03 | |
to fund a rather dubious war effort. | 0:15:03 | 0:15:06 | |
Women, in other words, may, in extreme circumstances, | 0:15:06 | 0:15:11 | |
publicly defend their own sectional interests, | 0:15:11 | 0:15:15 | |
but they can't speak for men | 0:15:15 | 0:15:17 | |
and they can't speak for the community as a whole. | 0:15:17 | 0:15:21 | |
And here's a 15th-century attempt to recapture Hortensia in full flow. | 0:15:21 | 0:15:28 | |
In general, as one ancient Roman guru rather aptly put it, | 0:15:28 | 0:15:34 | |
"a woman should as modestly guard against | 0:15:34 | 0:15:38 | |
"exposing her voice to outsiders | 0:15:38 | 0:15:42 | |
"as she would guard against stripping off her clothes." | 0:15:42 | 0:15:46 | |
Right? | 0:15:46 | 0:15:48 | |
That's the limit of female silence. | 0:15:48 | 0:15:51 | |
There is, I think, more to this than meets the eye. | 0:15:53 | 0:15:57 | |
The muteness that I've been trying to evoke is not simply a reflection | 0:15:57 | 0:16:04 | |
of a general disempowerment of women in the classical world - | 0:16:04 | 0:16:09 | |
no voting rights, limited legal and economic powers and so on. | 0:16:09 | 0:16:14 | |
Of course, it's partly that. | 0:16:14 | 0:16:16 | |
Ancient women were obviously not likely to raise their voices | 0:16:16 | 0:16:20 | |
in a political sphere in which they had no formal stake. | 0:16:20 | 0:16:25 | |
But the point seems to me | 0:16:25 | 0:16:26 | |
is that we're dealing with a much more active | 0:16:26 | 0:16:30 | |
and loaded exclusion of women from public speech in the ancient world. | 0:16:30 | 0:16:36 | |
And, importantly, it's one with a much greater impact than | 0:16:38 | 0:16:42 | |
we usually acknowledge on our own traditions, conventions | 0:16:42 | 0:16:47 | |
and assumptions about the voice of women. | 0:16:47 | 0:16:51 | |
What I mean is that public speaking | 0:16:51 | 0:16:53 | |
and oratory wasn't something that ancient women just simply didn't do. | 0:16:53 | 0:16:57 | |
It was an exclusive practice, an exclusive skill, | 0:16:59 | 0:17:03 | |
that positively defined masculinity as a gender. | 0:17:03 | 0:17:08 | |
As we saw with Telemachus, to become a man, | 0:17:09 | 0:17:14 | |
and, of course, we're talking an elite man, | 0:17:14 | 0:17:17 | |
to become a man was to claim the right to speak. | 0:17:17 | 0:17:23 | |
Public speech was a, if not THE, | 0:17:23 | 0:17:27 | |
defining attribute of maleness. | 0:17:27 | 0:17:32 | |
So, a woman speaking in public was, in most circumstances, | 0:17:32 | 0:17:36 | |
by definition, not a woman. | 0:17:36 | 0:17:40 | |
So, beyond the kind of examples that I've quoted to you, | 0:17:40 | 0:17:45 | |
we find repeated stress throughout ancient literature | 0:17:45 | 0:17:49 | |
on the authority of the deep male voice. | 0:17:49 | 0:17:55 | |
As one ancient scientific treatise explicitly put it, | 0:17:55 | 0:17:59 | |
"A low-pitched voice indicated manly courage, | 0:17:59 | 0:18:06 | |
"a high-pitched voice indicated female cowardice." | 0:18:06 | 0:18:12 | |
Or, as other classical writers insisted, | 0:18:12 | 0:18:15 | |
"The turn and the timbre of women's speech always threatened to | 0:18:15 | 0:18:21 | |
"subvert, not just the voice of the male orator, but the social | 0:18:21 | 0:18:27 | |
"and political stability and the health of the state as a whole." | 0:18:27 | 0:18:32 | |
Another 2nd-century lecturer and guru, Dio Chrysostum... | 0:18:34 | 0:18:40 | |
His name is a bit of a mouthful, but it actually means, | 0:18:40 | 0:18:43 | |
significantly enough, Dio The Golden Mouth. | 0:18:43 | 0:18:47 | |
Dio had this to say - I think it captures it nicely. | 0:18:47 | 0:18:51 | |
"Imagine this," he asked. | 0:18:51 | 0:18:54 | |
"Suppose an entire community was struck | 0:18:54 | 0:18:58 | |
"by the following strange affliction - | 0:18:58 | 0:19:02 | |
"all the men suddenly got female voices and no male, | 0:19:02 | 0:19:08 | |
"child or adult, could say anything in a manly way. | 0:19:08 | 0:19:14 | |
"Would not that seem terrible and harder to bear than any plague? | 0:19:14 | 0:19:21 | |
"I'm sure they would send off to a sanctuary to consult the gods | 0:19:21 | 0:19:26 | |
"and try to propitiate the divine power with many gifts." | 0:19:26 | 0:19:32 | |
It would be nice to think that Dio was joking, but he wasn't, | 0:19:32 | 0:19:36 | |
I don't think. | 0:19:36 | 0:19:38 | |
What I want to underline here, and it's really my second point, | 0:19:39 | 0:19:43 | |
is that this is not just | 0:19:43 | 0:19:45 | |
the peculiar ideology of some distant culture. | 0:19:45 | 0:19:49 | |
Distant in time, it may be. | 0:19:49 | 0:19:53 | |
But actually, this is the tradition of gendered speaking | 0:19:53 | 0:19:58 | |
and the theorizing of gendered speaking to which we are still, | 0:19:58 | 0:20:03 | |
directly, or more often indirectly, the heirs. | 0:20:03 | 0:20:07 | |
I don't want to overstate the case. | 0:20:08 | 0:20:10 | |
Western culture does not owe everything to the Greeks and Romans, | 0:20:10 | 0:20:15 | |
in speech or in anything else. | 0:20:15 | 0:20:17 | |
And, to be honest, thank heavens it doesn't. You know? | 0:20:17 | 0:20:21 | |
Even a classicist, or perhaps especially a classicist, | 0:20:21 | 0:20:24 | |
would not fancy living in a Greco-Roman world. | 0:20:24 | 0:20:29 | |
There are all kinds of variants and competing influences on us | 0:20:29 | 0:20:34 | |
and our political system has happily overthrown | 0:20:34 | 0:20:38 | |
many of the gendered certainties of antiquity, | 0:20:38 | 0:20:42 | |
most obviously in giving women, formally at least, | 0:20:42 | 0:20:45 | |
and relatively recently, equal political rights. | 0:20:45 | 0:20:50 | |
And yet it remains the fact that our own traditions of debate | 0:20:50 | 0:20:55 | |
and public speaking, their conventions and their rules, | 0:20:55 | 0:21:00 | |
still lie very much in the shadow of the classical world. | 0:21:00 | 0:21:05 | |
The modern techniques | 0:21:06 | 0:21:08 | |
of rhetoric and persuasion, formulated in the Renaissance, | 0:21:08 | 0:21:12 | |
were drawn explicitly from ancient speeches and handbooks. | 0:21:12 | 0:21:17 | |
Our own terms of rhetorical analysis | 0:21:18 | 0:21:21 | |
go back directly to Aristotle and Cicero. | 0:21:21 | 0:21:25 | |
In fact, it's common to point out that Barack Obama | 0:21:25 | 0:21:28 | |
or his speech writers have learnt all their best tricks from Cicero. | 0:21:28 | 0:21:34 | |
And so far as the House of Commons is concerned, | 0:21:34 | 0:21:37 | |
those 19th-century gents who devised or enshrined | 0:21:37 | 0:21:42 | |
most of our parliamentary rules and procedures, | 0:21:42 | 0:21:46 | |
they were brought up on exactly those classical theories | 0:21:46 | 0:21:51 | |
and slogans and prejudices that I have been quoting to you. | 0:21:51 | 0:21:55 | |
Again, I'm not meaning we're simply | 0:21:55 | 0:21:57 | |
the victim of the classical inheritance here, | 0:21:57 | 0:22:01 | |
but those classical traditions have provided us with | 0:22:01 | 0:22:06 | |
and continue to provide us with | 0:22:06 | 0:22:09 | |
a template for thinking about public speech, | 0:22:09 | 0:22:13 | |
for defining and deciding what counts as good oratory, or bad, | 0:22:13 | 0:22:19 | |
what counts as good persuasion or not | 0:22:19 | 0:22:22 | |
and whose speech has a right to be heard, | 0:22:22 | 0:22:26 | |
and gender is obviously an important part of that mix. | 0:22:26 | 0:22:31 | |
And it only takes a really casual glance | 0:22:31 | 0:22:33 | |
at the modern Western traditions of speech-making and debate, | 0:22:33 | 0:22:37 | |
at least up to the 20th century, to see many of those classical themes | 0:22:37 | 0:22:42 | |
being replayed and re-emerging all over the place. | 0:22:42 | 0:22:47 | |
Women who claim a public voice get treated as freakish androgynies, | 0:22:47 | 0:22:54 | |
like Maesia defending herself in the Forum. | 0:22:54 | 0:22:57 | |
Now, the obvious case here is Elizabeth I's belligerent address | 0:22:57 | 0:23:02 | |
to the troops at Tilbury in 1588 in the face of the Spanish Armada, | 0:23:02 | 0:23:08 | |
where, in those famous words that I certainly learnt at school, | 0:23:08 | 0:23:13 | |
and I'm sure many of you did too, | 0:23:13 | 0:23:15 | |
she seems positively to avow her own androgyny. | 0:23:15 | 0:23:20 | |
You'll remember it. "I know I have the body of a weak, feeble woman, | 0:23:20 | 0:23:24 | |
"but I have the heart and stomach of a king and a king of England, too." | 0:23:24 | 0:23:31 | |
It's a slogan that I discovered this week that you can still buy | 0:23:31 | 0:23:35 | |
emblazoned on gifts, | 0:23:35 | 0:23:38 | |
from babygrows to skateboards. | 0:23:38 | 0:23:43 | |
I have to say, why you'd want that on a babygrow rather beats me, | 0:23:43 | 0:23:48 | |
but I tell you, you can get it. | 0:23:48 | 0:23:51 | |
The truth is, actually, I have to tell you, | 0:23:51 | 0:23:54 | |
that Good Queen Bess may never have said anything of the sort. | 0:23:54 | 0:23:59 | |
There is absolutely no script from Elizabeth or from her speech writer, | 0:23:59 | 0:24:03 | |
there's no eyewitness account | 0:24:03 | 0:24:06 | |
and the canonical version that I was made to learn... | 0:24:06 | 0:24:09 | |
Again, as I was reflecting this week, | 0:24:09 | 0:24:12 | |
a funny thing to make a girl at a girls' school learn, | 0:24:12 | 0:24:17 | |
that speech, but I did. | 0:24:17 | 0:24:19 | |
That comes from a letter from a pretty unreliable commentator | 0:24:19 | 0:24:24 | |
with a terrible axe to grind, | 0:24:24 | 0:24:25 | |
about 40 years after the speech was said to be delivered. | 0:24:25 | 0:24:31 | |
But, for my purpose, | 0:24:31 | 0:24:32 | |
the likely fictionality of the words makes them even better | 0:24:32 | 0:24:37 | |
cos the nice twist there is that the male letter-writer | 0:24:37 | 0:24:41 | |
puts the confession or the boast of androgyny | 0:24:41 | 0:24:46 | |
into Elizabeth's own mouth. | 0:24:46 | 0:24:49 | |
But looking at modern traditions of oratory more generally, | 0:24:49 | 0:24:53 | |
we also find that main area of licence for women to talk publicly, | 0:24:53 | 0:25:00 | |
that is to support their own and women's interests, | 0:25:00 | 0:25:06 | |
again, being very prominent. | 0:25:06 | 0:25:08 | |
And I hope you don't spend as long as I've been spending | 0:25:08 | 0:25:12 | |
flipping through those rather quaint compendia | 0:25:12 | 0:25:16 | |
called A Hundred Great Speeches From History, | 0:25:16 | 0:25:20 | |
cos they're very odd. | 0:25:20 | 0:25:22 | |
But, if you do, what you will find, | 0:25:22 | 0:25:26 | |
when they come to get the women's speeches from history, | 0:25:26 | 0:25:29 | |
which is always a bit of a challenge, | 0:25:29 | 0:25:31 | |
most of the female highlights, from Emmeline Pankhurst | 0:25:31 | 0:25:36 | |
to Hillary Clinton talking at | 0:25:36 | 0:25:38 | |
the UN Conference On Women in Beijing, very famously, | 0:25:38 | 0:25:42 | |
are just of that type. | 0:25:42 | 0:25:43 | |
They're talking, always, or almost always, | 0:25:43 | 0:25:46 | |
about the lot of women, not about the community as a whole. | 0:25:46 | 0:25:51 | |
And so, too, is probably what's the most popularly | 0:25:51 | 0:25:55 | |
and frequently anthologised example of female oratory of all, | 0:25:55 | 0:26:01 | |
which is the 1851 Ain't I A Woman? speech | 0:26:01 | 0:26:06 | |
of Sojourner Truth, | 0:26:06 | 0:26:08 | |
an ex-slave, abolitionist and American campaigner | 0:26:08 | 0:26:12 | |
for women's rights. | 0:26:12 | 0:26:14 | |
"And ain't I a woman?" she's supposed to have said. | 0:26:14 | 0:26:17 | |
"I have borne 13 chilern | 0:26:17 | 0:26:19 | |
"and seen 'em most all sold off to slavery | 0:26:19 | 0:26:23 | |
"and when I cried out with my mother's grief, | 0:26:23 | 0:26:26 | |
"none but Jesus heard me! | 0:26:26 | 0:26:29 | |
"And ain't I a woman?" | 0:26:29 | 0:26:31 | |
That's been very influential. | 0:26:31 | 0:26:34 | |
I should say, just in case you're wondering, | 0:26:34 | 0:26:37 | |
those words are only slightly less mythical | 0:26:37 | 0:26:40 | |
than Elizabeth's at Tilbury. | 0:26:40 | 0:26:43 | |
That authorised version was written up about ten years | 0:26:43 | 0:26:47 | |
after Sojourner Truth's speech, saying whatever she said | 0:26:47 | 0:26:52 | |
and it's in that second version, not by her at all, | 0:26:52 | 0:26:56 | |
that what is now the famous refrain - "Ain't I a woman?" | 0:26:56 | 0:27:00 | |
which Sojourner Truth certainly never said - was inserted | 0:27:00 | 0:27:05 | |
and, in fact, the whole speech was kind of re-translated at that point | 0:27:05 | 0:27:12 | |
into the Southern drawl that I notably failed to replicate... | 0:27:12 | 0:27:16 | |
AUDIENCE CHUCKLES | 0:27:16 | 0:27:17 | |
..to match the abolitionist message, | 0:27:17 | 0:27:20 | |
even though Sojourner Truth came from the North | 0:27:20 | 0:27:23 | |
and had been brought up speaking Dutch. | 0:27:23 | 0:27:26 | |
So we have to be careful with these things. | 0:27:27 | 0:27:30 | |
Now, I'm not, of course, saying that women's voices | 0:27:30 | 0:27:34 | |
raised in support of women's causes aren't important, you know. | 0:27:34 | 0:27:38 | |
Someone, for heaven's sake, has to speak up for women | 0:27:38 | 0:27:41 | |
and if men won't, well, women should. | 0:27:41 | 0:27:45 | |
But it remains the case that women's public speech has, for centuries, | 0:27:45 | 0:27:51 | |
been niched into that area | 0:27:51 | 0:27:54 | |
and here, of course, I've got to flag up, before somebody else does, | 0:27:54 | 0:27:58 | |
my own topic this evening. | 0:27:58 | 0:28:01 | |
No-one forced me to talk about this, | 0:28:01 | 0:28:04 | |
but I think it can hardly be a coincidence | 0:28:04 | 0:28:07 | |
that I chose to talk about the public voice of women | 0:28:07 | 0:28:11 | |
rather than about, say, migration or the war in Syria. | 0:28:11 | 0:28:16 | |
Now, I don't want to put myself in the same league as Sojourner Truth, | 0:28:16 | 0:28:21 | |
but I probably have to confess to being in that niche, too. | 0:28:21 | 0:28:26 | |
But even that area of licence has not always, or even at all, | 0:28:26 | 0:28:31 | |
consistently been available to women. | 0:28:31 | 0:28:34 | |
There are countless examples of attempts to write women out | 0:28:34 | 0:28:38 | |
of public discourse entirely, Telemachus-style. | 0:28:38 | 0:28:42 | |
But just to take one, anyone who's read Henry James's Bostonians, | 0:28:42 | 0:28:47 | |
published in the 1880s, | 0:28:47 | 0:28:49 | |
will remember that a central theme in that book | 0:28:49 | 0:28:53 | |
is the silencing of Verena Tarrant, | 0:28:53 | 0:28:55 | |
a young feminist campaigner and speaker. | 0:28:55 | 0:28:59 | |
As she draws closer and closer to her suitor, Basil Ransom, | 0:28:59 | 0:29:04 | |
a man endowed, as James stresses, "with a rich, deep voice"... | 0:29:04 | 0:29:10 | |
..she finds herself increasingly unable to speak, | 0:29:11 | 0:29:15 | |
as she once did, in public. | 0:29:15 | 0:29:17 | |
Ransom effectively re-privatises her voice, | 0:29:17 | 0:29:22 | |
insisting that she speak only to him. | 0:29:22 | 0:29:26 | |
"Keep your soothing words for me," he says. | 0:29:26 | 0:29:31 | |
Now, in the novel, it's quite hard to pin James's own standpoint down, | 0:29:31 | 0:29:36 | |
and certainly most readers don't warm to Basil, | 0:29:36 | 0:29:39 | |
but in the essays, James makes it pretty clear where he stood, | 0:29:39 | 0:29:44 | |
for he wrote about the polluting, contagious | 0:29:44 | 0:29:48 | |
and socially destructive effects of women's voices | 0:29:48 | 0:29:53 | |
in words that could well have been written | 0:29:53 | 0:29:56 | |
by some second-century-AD Roman, | 0:29:56 | 0:29:58 | |
and were probably in part derived from second-century-AD sources. | 0:29:58 | 0:30:04 | |
Under American women's influence, he insisted, | 0:30:04 | 0:30:09 | |
language risks becoming "a generalised mumble or jumble, | 0:30:09 | 0:30:15 | |
"a tongueless slobber or snarl or whine. | 0:30:15 | 0:30:19 | |
"It will sound like the moo of the cow, the bray of the ass, | 0:30:19 | 0:30:25 | |
"and the bark of the dog." | 0:30:25 | 0:30:27 | |
I hope you spotted in that kind of mad, extreme stuff, | 0:30:27 | 0:30:32 | |
a faint glimpse of the tongueless Philomela, the moo of Io, | 0:30:32 | 0:30:37 | |
and the barking of the Roman female orator in the Forum. | 0:30:37 | 0:30:42 | |
Henry James was just one among many in what amounted, at the time, | 0:30:43 | 0:30:48 | |
to something of a crusade for proper standards in American speech. | 0:30:48 | 0:30:53 | |
Other contemporaries praised | 0:30:53 | 0:30:56 | |
the sweet, domestic, private singing of the female, | 0:30:56 | 0:31:01 | |
while opposing any use of a female voice | 0:31:01 | 0:31:05 | |
in the wider world. | 0:31:05 | 0:31:07 | |
And there's plenty of thundering | 0:31:07 | 0:31:09 | |
about "thin nasal tones" of women's public speech, | 0:31:09 | 0:31:13 | |
about their twangs, their whiffles, | 0:31:13 | 0:31:15 | |
their snuffles, their whines and their whinnies. | 0:31:15 | 0:31:19 | |
"In the name of our homes, our children, our national honour," | 0:31:21 | 0:31:25 | |
said James again, in 1906, "Don't let us have women like that!" | 0:31:25 | 0:31:31 | |
Now, we don't talk quite in those bold terms now. | 0:31:31 | 0:31:36 | |
Not quite, but it does seem to me | 0:31:36 | 0:31:40 | |
that many aspects of that traditional package of views | 0:31:40 | 0:31:45 | |
about the unsuitability of women for public speaking in general, | 0:31:45 | 0:31:51 | |
a package which goes back more than two millennia, | 0:31:51 | 0:31:54 | |
still underlies some of our own assumptions about, | 0:31:54 | 0:31:58 | |
and our awkwardness with, | 0:31:58 | 0:32:00 | |
the female voice in public. | 0:32:00 | 0:32:03 | |
Take, for example, the language we still use | 0:32:03 | 0:32:07 | |
to describe the sounds of women's speech, | 0:32:07 | 0:32:10 | |
which is not all that far from Henry James | 0:32:10 | 0:32:13 | |
or some pontificating Roman. | 0:32:13 | 0:32:16 | |
In making a public case, in speaking out, what are women said to be? | 0:32:16 | 0:32:22 | |
They're said to be "strident", | 0:32:22 | 0:32:24 | |
they "whinge" and they "whine". | 0:32:24 | 0:32:28 | |
When, after one particularly vile bout | 0:32:28 | 0:32:32 | |
of internet comments on my own genitalia, | 0:32:32 | 0:32:35 | |
I tweeted, rather pluckily, I thought, | 0:32:35 | 0:32:39 | |
that it was all a bit "gobsmacking". | 0:32:39 | 0:32:42 | |
This got reported by one commentator | 0:32:42 | 0:32:45 | |
in a mainstream British magazine in these terms - | 0:32:45 | 0:32:50 | |
"The misogyny is truly 'gobsmacking', she whined." | 0:32:50 | 0:32:55 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:32:55 | 0:32:57 | |
Since when has it been whining | 0:32:57 | 0:32:58 | |
to say that something was gobsmacking? | 0:32:58 | 0:33:01 | |
This did induce in me a quick Google trawl to see, you know, | 0:33:01 | 0:33:07 | |
who is said to whine in the world these days? | 0:33:07 | 0:33:10 | |
And I can tell you - it's women, closely followed | 0:33:10 | 0:33:13 | |
by Premiership football managers on a losing streak. | 0:33:13 | 0:33:16 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:33:16 | 0:33:18 | |
Not only women. | 0:33:18 | 0:33:20 | |
I felt so angry about that, | 0:33:22 | 0:33:23 | |
I felt more angry about being said to be a whiner | 0:33:23 | 0:33:27 | |
than I did about the misogyny in the first place, I think. | 0:33:27 | 0:33:30 | |
You might say, "Well, do those words really matter?" | 0:33:31 | 0:33:34 | |
And the answer to that is of course they matter | 0:33:34 | 0:33:37 | |
because they underpin a contemporary idiom | 0:33:37 | 0:33:41 | |
that acts to remove the authority, the force, | 0:33:41 | 0:33:46 | |
even the wit or the humour or the irony from what women have to say. | 0:33:46 | 0:33:52 | |
It's an idiom that effectively repositions women | 0:33:52 | 0:33:57 | |
back into the domestic sphere. | 0:33:57 | 0:34:00 | |
Think when people normally use the words "whinge" and "whine", | 0:34:00 | 0:34:04 | |
it's over things like the washing-up and who hasn't put their socks | 0:34:04 | 0:34:07 | |
in the laundry basket, and things like that. | 0:34:07 | 0:34:09 | |
It trivialises the words of women | 0:34:09 | 0:34:12 | |
by making it into, turning it into, a whine | 0:34:12 | 0:34:15 | |
or in the terms I was using about Henry James, | 0:34:15 | 0:34:18 | |
it "re-privatises" women that way. | 0:34:18 | 0:34:22 | |
Contrast, very easy, contrast "the deep-voiced man" | 0:34:22 | 0:34:27 | |
with all the connotations of profundity | 0:34:27 | 0:34:31 | |
that that simple word "deep" actually brings. | 0:34:31 | 0:34:36 | |
Deep, he's deep and deep. | 0:34:36 | 0:34:38 | |
And it is still the case, I'd argue, that when, as listeners, | 0:34:40 | 0:34:45 | |
we, and I think I'm including women in this, | 0:34:45 | 0:34:49 | |
we hear a female voice, | 0:34:49 | 0:34:53 | |
we much more rarely hear a voice that connotes authority | 0:34:53 | 0:34:58 | |
or rather, and this is to put it, I think, more correctly, | 0:34:58 | 0:35:02 | |
we haven't yet learned how to hear authority in a woman's voice. | 0:35:02 | 0:35:08 | |
We don't hear, in Homeric terms, muthos when we listen to a woman. | 0:35:08 | 0:35:14 | |
Now, I'm talking just voice here, | 0:35:14 | 0:35:16 | |
but it's very obvious that you could do appearance too. | 0:35:16 | 0:35:19 | |
You could say, in a man, | 0:35:19 | 0:35:23 | |
craggy and wrinkled faces signal mature wisdom. | 0:35:23 | 0:35:29 | |
In a woman, they signal a kind of | 0:35:29 | 0:35:32 | |
past-my-use-by-date label, I think. | 0:35:32 | 0:35:34 | |
We don't hear a voice of authority, | 0:35:37 | 0:35:38 | |
we don't hear a voice of expertise either, | 0:35:38 | 0:35:43 | |
at least, not outside women's traditional spheres. | 0:35:43 | 0:35:48 | |
To put it in another obvious way, | 0:35:48 | 0:35:50 | |
for a female MP to be a Minister of Women, or of Education or of Health, | 0:35:50 | 0:35:55 | |
is a very different thing from being Chancellor of the Exchequer - | 0:35:55 | 0:35:59 | |
a post that no woman has yet filled. | 0:35:59 | 0:36:02 | |
And, across the board, we still tend to see a tremendous resistance | 0:36:03 | 0:36:08 | |
to female encroachment | 0:36:08 | 0:36:11 | |
onto traditional male discursive territory, | 0:36:11 | 0:36:14 | |
whether that's the abuse that gets hurled at Jacqui Oatley | 0:36:14 | 0:36:18 | |
for having the nerve to leave the netball court | 0:36:18 | 0:36:21 | |
to become the first woman commentator on Match Of The Day, | 0:36:21 | 0:36:25 | |
or what can get meted out, and regularly is meted out, | 0:36:25 | 0:36:29 | |
to women who appear on Question Time, | 0:36:29 | 0:36:32 | |
where the range of topics discussed | 0:36:32 | 0:36:36 | |
is usually fairly mainstream "male political". | 0:36:36 | 0:36:40 | |
It may not be a surprise that the same commentator | 0:36:42 | 0:36:45 | |
who accused me of whining claims to run, I quote, | 0:36:45 | 0:36:49 | |
a "small light-hearted competition," for guess what - | 0:36:49 | 0:36:54 | |
"the most stupid woman to appear on Question Time in a year." | 0:36:54 | 0:36:59 | |
Now, I am extremely reluctant to stoop to the obvious point | 0:36:59 | 0:37:05 | |
about the stupid men that appear on the panel. | 0:37:05 | 0:37:09 | |
Much more interesting is another cultural connection | 0:37:09 | 0:37:14 | |
that that reveals - | 0:37:14 | 0:37:16 | |
that unpopular, controversial or just plain different views, | 0:37:16 | 0:37:22 | |
when voiced by a woman, | 0:37:22 | 0:37:24 | |
tend to get taken as indications of her stupidity. | 0:37:24 | 0:37:29 | |
It's not that you disagree, it's that she's stupid. | 0:37:29 | 0:37:34 | |
"Sorry, love, you just don't understand." | 0:37:34 | 0:37:38 | |
And I can't tell you the number of times that I have been called, | 0:37:38 | 0:37:43 | |
you know, online or by e-mail, | 0:37:43 | 0:37:46 | |
"an ignorant moron". | 0:37:46 | 0:37:47 | |
Now, hang on, I think, and sometimes say, you know, | 0:37:48 | 0:37:52 | |
I might be wrong, you know, I might not have got it right. | 0:37:52 | 0:37:56 | |
We might disagree, but I'm self-confident enough to know | 0:37:56 | 0:38:00 | |
that I'm not an ignorant moron. Right? | 0:38:00 | 0:38:03 | |
CHUCKLING | 0:38:03 | 0:38:04 | |
Being wrong is different from being stupid. | 0:38:04 | 0:38:07 | |
Now, these assumptions and these prejudices are, | 0:38:09 | 0:38:12 | |
I think, very hard-wired into us. | 0:38:12 | 0:38:15 | |
I don't mean that they're hard-wired into our brains, | 0:38:15 | 0:38:18 | |
there is no neurological reason whatsoever | 0:38:18 | 0:38:22 | |
for us to perceive low-pitched voices | 0:38:22 | 0:38:25 | |
as more authoritative than high-pitched voices. | 0:38:25 | 0:38:29 | |
But they hard-wired into our culture, our language, | 0:38:29 | 0:38:34 | |
our way of talking about men and women | 0:38:34 | 0:38:36 | |
and into the millennia of our history. | 0:38:36 | 0:38:39 | |
And when we are thinking about the under-representation of women | 0:38:39 | 0:38:43 | |
in national politics, say, | 0:38:43 | 0:38:45 | |
their relative muteness in the public sphere, | 0:38:45 | 0:38:49 | |
I'm sure we have to think beyond what the Prime Minister | 0:38:49 | 0:38:53 | |
and his chums got up to in the Bullingdon Club, | 0:38:53 | 0:38:56 | |
beyond the bad behaviour and the blokeish culture of Westminster, | 0:38:56 | 0:39:01 | |
beyond even issues of family-friendly hours, | 0:39:01 | 0:39:04 | |
childcare and women-only short lists, | 0:39:04 | 0:39:07 | |
important as those are. | 0:39:07 | 0:39:09 | |
I think we need to be focusing on those even more fundamental issues | 0:39:09 | 0:39:15 | |
of how we have learned to hear the contributions of women, | 0:39:15 | 0:39:22 | |
or, just to go back | 0:39:22 | 0:39:23 | |
to the cartoon for a moment, | 0:39:23 | 0:39:25 | |
I think we have to focus on what | 0:39:25 | 0:39:27 | |
I'm going, from now on, to call | 0:39:27 | 0:39:29 | |
the Miss Triggs question. | 0:39:29 | 0:39:32 | |
Not just, how does poor old Miss Triggs get a word in edgeways? | 0:39:32 | 0:39:36 | |
Though that's important enough. | 0:39:36 | 0:39:39 | |
But how can we make ourselves more aware about the processes | 0:39:39 | 0:39:45 | |
and prejudices that mean we don't hear her. | 0:39:45 | 0:39:50 | |
Now, at this point, | 0:39:52 | 0:39:54 | |
I am going to turn briefly to trolls, | 0:39:54 | 0:39:56 | |
the internet death-threat and abuse, | 0:39:56 | 0:39:58 | |
because some of these same issues of voice and gender | 0:39:58 | 0:40:02 | |
are at play there, too. | 0:40:02 | 0:40:04 | |
Now, I think we have to be very, very careful about generalising | 0:40:04 | 0:40:08 | |
too confidently about the nastier sides of the internet. | 0:40:08 | 0:40:13 | |
These appear in many, many different forms, | 0:40:13 | 0:40:17 | |
it's not quite the same on Twitter | 0:40:17 | 0:40:20 | |
as it is under the line in comments in newspapers, | 0:40:20 | 0:40:25 | |
and criminal death-threats are a quite different kettle of fish | 0:40:25 | 0:40:29 | |
from merely "unpleasant" abuse. | 0:40:29 | 0:40:33 | |
And many different people are targets, | 0:40:33 | 0:40:37 | |
from grieving parents of dead teenagers | 0:40:37 | 0:40:40 | |
through, you know, professors of classics, | 0:40:40 | 0:40:43 | |
to celebrities of all sorts. | 0:40:43 | 0:40:47 | |
What is clear about internet abuse | 0:40:47 | 0:40:51 | |
is that many more men than women are the perpetrators of it, | 0:40:51 | 0:40:57 | |
and they attack women far more than they attack men. | 0:40:57 | 0:41:01 | |
Now, men are not immune from attack, | 0:41:01 | 0:41:05 | |
but one academic study a few years ago put the ratio | 0:41:05 | 0:41:09 | |
at something like 30 to 1, female to male targets. | 0:41:09 | 0:41:15 | |
For what it's worth, and I have to say I've not suffered | 0:41:15 | 0:41:18 | |
anything like as bad as some other women, | 0:41:18 | 0:41:21 | |
I receive what I would euphemistically call | 0:41:21 | 0:41:26 | |
something inappropriately hostile, | 0:41:26 | 0:41:30 | |
that's to say, you know, beyond fair comment, | 0:41:30 | 0:41:33 | |
beyond even fair anger, just being cross, | 0:41:33 | 0:41:36 | |
every time I speak on the radio or television | 0:41:36 | 0:41:40 | |
and I almost certainly will after this lecture is broadcast. | 0:41:40 | 0:41:44 | |
It's driven, I'm sure, by many different things. | 0:41:46 | 0:41:48 | |
Some of it's from kids acting up, some of it's from people who've had | 0:41:48 | 0:41:52 | |
too much to drink, some of it's from people who've just for a moment | 0:41:52 | 0:41:55 | |
lost that inner inhibitor and can often be very apologetic later. | 0:41:55 | 0:42:00 | |
I think most of them are more sad than they are wicked. | 0:42:00 | 0:42:05 | |
And when I'm feeling charitable, | 0:42:05 | 0:42:07 | |
sometimes, when I'm feeling charitable, | 0:42:07 | 0:42:09 | |
I think quite a lot of it comes from people who feel rather let down | 0:42:09 | 0:42:14 | |
by the false promises of democratisation | 0:42:14 | 0:42:18 | |
blazoned by media such as Twitter. | 0:42:18 | 0:42:22 | |
It was supposed to put us directly in touch with those in power, | 0:42:22 | 0:42:26 | |
it was supposed to open up | 0:42:26 | 0:42:29 | |
a new kind of democratic kind of conversation. | 0:42:29 | 0:42:33 | |
Of course, it does absolutely nothing of the sort. | 0:42:33 | 0:42:36 | |
You know, if we choose to tweet the Prime Minister or the Pope, | 0:42:36 | 0:42:41 | |
they will no more read our tweet than they would read a letter | 0:42:41 | 0:42:45 | |
if we sent it to them. | 0:42:45 | 0:42:47 | |
And for the most part, the Prime Minister doesn't even write | 0:42:47 | 0:42:50 | |
the tweets that appear under his name anyway. | 0:42:50 | 0:42:53 | |
How could he? | 0:42:53 | 0:42:54 | |
I have to say, I'm rather more optimistic | 0:42:54 | 0:42:57 | |
that maybe the Pope does write some of his. | 0:42:57 | 0:42:59 | |
I think he might not be so busy. | 0:42:59 | 0:43:02 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:43:02 | 0:43:04 | |
Some of the abuse, I suspect, is actually a squeal of frustration | 0:43:07 | 0:43:12 | |
at those false promises, taking aim at one of the traditional targets | 0:43:12 | 0:43:18 | |
of our culture - "the gobby woman". | 0:43:18 | 0:43:20 | |
And we have to remember, | 0:43:20 | 0:43:22 | |
and I think it's important to stress at this point, | 0:43:22 | 0:43:25 | |
women are not the only group in our culture | 0:43:25 | 0:43:28 | |
who either are or feel themselves to be voiceless. | 0:43:28 | 0:43:32 | |
But the more I've looked at the details | 0:43:33 | 0:43:36 | |
of the threats and the insults | 0:43:36 | 0:43:38 | |
that women are on the receiving end of, | 0:43:38 | 0:43:41 | |
the more, some of them at least, seem to fit into the old patterns | 0:43:41 | 0:43:47 | |
of prejudice and assumption that I've been talking about. | 0:43:47 | 0:43:51 | |
For a start, it doesn't much matter | 0:43:52 | 0:43:56 | |
what line you take in an argument as a woman. | 0:43:56 | 0:44:00 | |
If you venture into traditional male territory, the abuse comes anyway. | 0:44:00 | 0:44:07 | |
It's not WHAT you say that prompts it, | 0:44:07 | 0:44:10 | |
it's the fact that you are saying it. | 0:44:10 | 0:44:14 | |
And that matches the details of the threats themselves. | 0:44:15 | 0:44:19 | |
And OK, you know, they include the predictable menu | 0:44:19 | 0:44:24 | |
of rape, bombing, murder and so forth. | 0:44:24 | 0:44:28 | |
And if I sound now relatively insouciant about that, | 0:44:28 | 0:44:33 | |
I can tell you, late at night, | 0:44:33 | 0:44:34 | |
when you get one of those, you feel scared. | 0:44:34 | 0:44:37 | |
They have all that, but there's a significant subsection | 0:44:37 | 0:44:41 | |
which homes in on the silencing of women. | 0:44:41 | 0:44:46 | |
If you look at what these tweets are saying, "Shut up, you bitch," | 0:44:46 | 0:44:50 | |
is a fairly common refrain. | 0:44:50 | 0:44:52 | |
Or they will promise to remove your capacity to speak. | 0:44:52 | 0:44:57 | |
"I'm going to cut off your head and rape it," was one tweet I got. | 0:44:57 | 0:45:03 | |
"eadlessfemalepig"was the Twitter name chosen | 0:45:03 | 0:45:07 | |
by someone threatening an American journalist. | 0:45:07 | 0:45:11 | |
Or perhaps most diagnostic of all, | 0:45:11 | 0:45:14 | |
"You should have your tongue ripped out," | 0:45:14 | 0:45:18 | |
as was tweeted to another journalist, which, of course, | 0:45:18 | 0:45:22 | |
takes us back straightaway, 2,000 years,to poor Philomela. | 0:45:22 | 0:45:27 | |
In its crude, aggressive way, | 0:45:28 | 0:45:31 | |
a lot of these tweets and other forms of online abuse | 0:45:31 | 0:45:36 | |
are about keeping women, or getting women, out of man's talk. | 0:45:36 | 0:45:41 | |
In a way, I think, the 140 characters of a tweet | 0:45:42 | 0:45:46 | |
act as a sort of magnifying glass on attitudes that you find elsewhere. | 0:45:46 | 0:45:51 | |
And, in some ways, I'm tempted to see | 0:45:51 | 0:45:53 | |
that there is a kind of faint connection | 0:45:53 | 0:45:56 | |
between these mad Twitter outbursts, and mad mostly is what they are, | 0:45:56 | 0:46:01 | |
and the blokes in the House of Commons heckling women MPs so loud | 0:46:01 | 0:46:05 | |
that you simply can't hear what they say. | 0:46:05 | 0:46:09 | |
I'm told that in the Afghan parliament, | 0:46:09 | 0:46:11 | |
they have a rather cleverer strategy. | 0:46:11 | 0:46:13 | |
They just unplug the women's mics when they don't want to hear them. | 0:46:13 | 0:46:17 | |
Ironically, too, the well-meaning solution that's often recommended | 0:46:18 | 0:46:23 | |
when women are on the receiving end of this turns out to bring about | 0:46:23 | 0:46:26 | |
the very result that the abusers want - | 0:46:26 | 0:46:29 | |
namely, women's silence. | 0:46:29 | 0:46:32 | |
What do you get told? "Don't call the abusers out. | 0:46:32 | 0:46:35 | |
"Don't give them any attention, that's what they're looking... | 0:46:35 | 0:46:39 | |
"Just say nothing and it will all go away." | 0:46:39 | 0:46:42 | |
That's the advice you get. | 0:46:42 | 0:46:44 | |
I can tell you, if you think | 0:46:44 | 0:46:46 | |
that women have put up and shut up far too long, | 0:46:46 | 0:46:50 | |
it's very hard to follow that advice. | 0:46:50 | 0:46:54 | |
It amounts, I think, to leaving the Twitter bullies | 0:46:54 | 0:46:58 | |
in unchallenged occupation of the Twitter playground. | 0:46:58 | 0:47:02 | |
We have to speak out. | 0:47:02 | 0:47:04 | |
Now, in a way, that's sort of the bare bones of my... | 0:47:06 | 0:47:11 | |
It's not a diagnosis, it's my kind of historical long view. | 0:47:11 | 0:47:15 | |
But to finish with, we ought to think a bit about | 0:47:15 | 0:47:20 | |
what the remedy might be. | 0:47:20 | 0:47:22 | |
It's all very well doing a bit of analysis, | 0:47:22 | 0:47:24 | |
but what are we going to do about it? | 0:47:24 | 0:47:27 | |
What is the remedy? | 0:47:27 | 0:47:30 | |
Well, put in those terms, like most women, | 0:47:30 | 0:47:33 | |
I can say, I only wish I knew what to do about this. | 0:47:33 | 0:47:38 | |
There can't be, I think, a group of female friends or colleagues | 0:47:38 | 0:47:43 | |
anywhere in this country, | 0:47:43 | 0:47:45 | |
and probably not many places in the world, | 0:47:45 | 0:47:48 | |
who haven't regularly discussed | 0:47:48 | 0:47:51 | |
at least the day-to-day practical aspects | 0:47:51 | 0:47:54 | |
of the Miss Triggs question, | 0:47:54 | 0:47:56 | |
whether in the office or the committee room, | 0:47:56 | 0:47:59 | |
the council chamber, the seminar or the House of Commons. | 0:47:59 | 0:48:03 | |
How do I get my point heard? | 0:48:03 | 0:48:05 | |
How do I get it noticed? | 0:48:05 | 0:48:08 | |
How do I feel, as a woman, I belong to that discussion that is going on? | 0:48:08 | 0:48:13 | |
Now, I'm sure it's something that some men feel too. | 0:48:13 | 0:48:17 | |
As I've already said, women aren't the only voiceless people on the planet. | 0:48:17 | 0:48:21 | |
All the same, if there's one thing we know bonds women | 0:48:21 | 0:48:26 | |
across all backgrounds, all political colours, | 0:48:26 | 0:48:30 | |
in all kinds of businesses and professions in this country, | 0:48:30 | 0:48:34 | |
it's the classic experience that almost all of us have shared | 0:48:34 | 0:48:37 | |
of the failed intervention. I'm sure that many women in the audience | 0:48:37 | 0:48:41 | |
are instantly going to recognise what I'm talking about. | 0:48:41 | 0:48:44 | |
You're at a meeting, you decide you're going to make a point, | 0:48:44 | 0:48:49 | |
you find a place to put it in, | 0:48:49 | 0:48:53 | |
then there's a silence - isn't it? - a short silence follows, | 0:48:53 | 0:48:57 | |
a few awkward seconds... | 0:48:57 | 0:48:59 | |
and then some man picks up just where he'd last left off and says, | 0:48:59 | 0:49:02 | |
"But what I was saying was..." | 0:49:02 | 0:49:04 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:49:04 | 0:49:06 | |
And if feels as if you might never have opened your mouth, | 0:49:06 | 0:49:08 | |
and you end up both blaming yourself | 0:49:08 | 0:49:11 | |
and the blokes whose exclusive club this discussion appears to be. | 0:49:11 | 0:49:16 | |
Those who do manage successfully to get their voice across | 0:49:17 | 0:49:21 | |
very often adopt some version of the androgyne route, | 0:49:21 | 0:49:26 | |
like Maesia in the Forum or the mythical Elizabeth at Tilbury - | 0:49:26 | 0:49:30 | |
consciously aping aspects of male rhetoric. | 0:49:30 | 0:49:35 | |
CHUCKLING | 0:49:35 | 0:49:36 | |
That was basically Margaret Thatcher's line | 0:49:36 | 0:49:40 | |
when she took training specifically to lower her voice, | 0:49:40 | 0:49:44 | |
to add the tone of authority | 0:49:44 | 0:49:46 | |
that her advisers thought her high pitch lacked. | 0:49:46 | 0:49:50 | |
And that's fine, in a way, if it works, | 0:49:51 | 0:49:56 | |
but it seems to me that all tactics of that type | 0:49:56 | 0:50:00 | |
tend to leave women still feeling that they're on the outside, | 0:50:00 | 0:50:04 | |
that they're impersonators of rhetorical roles | 0:50:04 | 0:50:09 | |
that they don't quite own. | 0:50:09 | 0:50:11 | |
They're actors rather than orators. | 0:50:11 | 0:50:14 | |
And putting it bluntly, | 0:50:15 | 0:50:17 | |
it seems to me that having women just pretend to be men | 0:50:17 | 0:50:22 | |
may be a quick fix for some, | 0:50:22 | 0:50:24 | |
but it doesn't honestly get to the heart of the problem. | 0:50:24 | 0:50:28 | |
Now, what I've been suggesting at various points in this lecture, | 0:50:29 | 0:50:34 | |
is that what we really need to do | 0:50:34 | 0:50:36 | |
is to think much more fundamentally | 0:50:36 | 0:50:39 | |
about the rules of our own rhetorical operations. | 0:50:39 | 0:50:43 | |
Now, I don't mean by that that sort of old stand-by of, | 0:50:43 | 0:50:47 | |
"Oh, men and women talk different languages, don't they?" | 0:50:47 | 0:50:51 | |
To which I would always reply, "Well, if they do, it's because | 0:50:51 | 0:50:54 | |
"somebody taught them different languages." | 0:50:54 | 0:50:57 | |
And I certainly don't mean to urge us down some kind of | 0:50:57 | 0:51:00 | |
pop psychology route, you know, | 0:51:00 | 0:51:02 | |
"Men are from Mars, women are from Venus, | 0:51:02 | 0:51:04 | |
"so never mind about public speaking, my dear." | 0:51:04 | 0:51:07 | |
CHUCKLING | 0:51:07 | 0:51:09 | |
My hunch is that if we're going to make any progress | 0:51:09 | 0:51:14 | |
with the Miss Triggs question, | 0:51:14 | 0:51:16 | |
we need to go back to some first principles | 0:51:16 | 0:51:18 | |
about the nature of spoken authority, | 0:51:18 | 0:51:22 | |
about what constitutes it, | 0:51:22 | 0:51:24 | |
how we have learned to hear authoritative utterance | 0:51:24 | 0:51:29 | |
where we have, | 0:51:29 | 0:51:30 | |
and how we recognise that. | 0:51:30 | 0:51:33 | |
And rather than push generations of women into voice-training classes, | 0:51:33 | 0:51:39 | |
I think perhaps we should be thinking more about | 0:51:39 | 0:51:43 | |
the fault lines and fractures that underlie dominant male discourse. | 0:51:43 | 0:51:48 | |
It isn't necessarily women's fault here. | 0:51:48 | 0:51:51 | |
And again, I think, we can usefully look back | 0:51:52 | 0:51:56 | |
to the Greeks and the Romans. | 0:51:56 | 0:51:58 | |
For, while it is true, as I've been insisting, that classical culture, | 0:51:58 | 0:52:03 | |
I think, has to bear, some, some part of the responsibility | 0:52:03 | 0:52:07 | |
for our starkly gendered assumptions about public speech, | 0:52:07 | 0:52:12 | |
about male muthos and female silence, | 0:52:12 | 0:52:16 | |
it's also the case that some ancient writers were much more reflective | 0:52:16 | 0:52:22 | |
than we ourselves are about those gendered assumptions. | 0:52:22 | 0:52:28 | |
They were subversively aware of what was at stake in them, | 0:52:28 | 0:52:32 | |
they were troubled about their simplicity, | 0:52:32 | 0:52:36 | |
and they hinted at resistance. | 0:52:36 | 0:52:39 | |
Ovid, for example, may have silenced his women | 0:52:39 | 0:52:42 | |
in their transformation and mutilation, | 0:52:42 | 0:52:46 | |
but he also suggested that communication could transcend the human voice, | 0:52:46 | 0:52:52 | |
and that women were not that easily shut up. | 0:52:52 | 0:52:57 | |
Philomela lost her tongue, | 0:52:57 | 0:53:00 | |
but she still managed to denounce her rapist | 0:53:00 | 0:53:04 | |
by weaving the story of what had happened to her into a tapestry, | 0:53:04 | 0:53:10 | |
which is why Shakespeare, in Titus Andronicus, | 0:53:10 | 0:53:15 | |
has to remove not only the tongue of Lavinia, but also her hands, | 0:53:15 | 0:53:21 | |
just in case she got anywhere near a loom. | 0:53:21 | 0:53:25 | |
CHUCKLING | 0:53:25 | 0:53:27 | |
And the smartest male, ancient... They're all male. | 0:53:27 | 0:53:31 | |
The smartest ancient rhetorical theorists acknowledged | 0:53:31 | 0:53:35 | |
that the best masculine techniques of oratorical persuasion | 0:53:35 | 0:53:41 | |
were uncomfortably close, as they saw it, | 0:53:41 | 0:53:45 | |
to the techniques of female seduction. | 0:53:45 | 0:53:48 | |
"So, was oratory really so safely masculine?" they wondered. | 0:53:48 | 0:53:53 | |
Maybe it was a female genre all along. | 0:53:53 | 0:53:56 | |
And one particularly bloody anecdote vividly exposes the gender wars | 0:53:58 | 0:54:04 | |
just below the surface of ancient public life and speaking. | 0:54:04 | 0:54:10 | |
It's a story that comes from the conflicts at Rome that followed | 0:54:10 | 0:54:14 | |
the assassination of Julius Caesar, in 44 BC. | 0:54:14 | 0:54:18 | |
The cause of these, Marcus Tullius Cicero, | 0:54:18 | 0:54:22 | |
Roman's most powerful public speaker and debater ever, was lynched. | 0:54:22 | 0:54:29 | |
And the hit-squad that took him out | 0:54:29 | 0:54:31 | |
triumphantly brought his head and his hands to Rome, | 0:54:31 | 0:54:36 | |
and they pinned them up, for all to see, | 0:54:36 | 0:54:39 | |
on the speaker's platform in the Forum. | 0:54:39 | 0:54:42 | |
So just where Cicero had claimed his greatest oratorical triumphs, | 0:54:42 | 0:54:48 | |
there his head and his hands got stuck up, dead. | 0:54:48 | 0:54:53 | |
It was then, the story goes, that Fulvia, | 0:54:53 | 0:54:57 | |
the wife of Mark Antony, who had been the victim of some of Cicero's | 0:54:57 | 0:55:01 | |
most devastating polemics, went along to have a look. | 0:55:01 | 0:55:07 | |
And when she saw the bits of him, | 0:55:07 | 0:55:09 | |
she removed the pins from her hair and repeatedly stabbed them | 0:55:09 | 0:55:16 | |
into the dead man's tongue. | 0:55:16 | 0:55:18 | |
It's a disconcerting image | 0:55:19 | 0:55:21 | |
of a defining article of female adornment, the hairpin, | 0:55:21 | 0:55:27 | |
used as a violent weapon against the very site of the production | 0:55:27 | 0:55:33 | |
of male speech in the male mouth. | 0:55:33 | 0:55:37 | |
It's a kind of reverse Philomela. | 0:55:37 | 0:55:40 | |
This 19th-century painting, even more disconcertingly, | 0:55:40 | 0:55:45 | |
eroticises the whole scene. | 0:55:45 | 0:55:47 | |
In fact, gloating Fulvia actually | 0:55:47 | 0:55:50 | |
seems to have taken Cicero's head home | 0:55:50 | 0:55:53 | |
to do her way with, rather than... | 0:55:53 | 0:55:56 | |
It's supposed to be in the Forum, you know, | 0:55:56 | 0:55:58 | |
not in your bedroom, darling. | 0:55:58 | 0:56:01 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:56:01 | 0:56:02 | |
But you get the point. | 0:56:02 | 0:56:04 | |
What I'm pointing to here is a critically aware, | 0:56:07 | 0:56:12 | |
self-aware ancient tradition, | 0:56:12 | 0:56:15 | |
and it's not one that directly challenges the basic template | 0:56:15 | 0:56:19 | |
I've been outlining, but it is one | 0:56:19 | 0:56:22 | |
that seems to determine to reveal the conflicts and the paradoxes | 0:56:22 | 0:56:27 | |
in the gendering of public speech, | 0:56:27 | 0:56:31 | |
to raise bigger issues about the nature | 0:56:31 | 0:56:35 | |
and purpose of communication, male and female. | 0:56:35 | 0:56:39 | |
And I think, really, to close, | 0:56:40 | 0:56:42 | |
we should perhaps take our cue from this, | 0:56:42 | 0:56:45 | |
and really make an effort to bring to the surface | 0:56:45 | 0:56:50 | |
all those big questions that we tend to shelve | 0:56:50 | 0:56:55 | |
in our pursuit of quick fixes and practical answers | 0:56:55 | 0:56:59 | |
about how we speak in public, | 0:56:59 | 0:57:02 | |
why we speak in public, what actually is debating for, | 0:57:02 | 0:57:06 | |
and whose voice, have we learned, fits. | 0:57:06 | 0:57:12 | |
What we need, in other words, I think, | 0:57:12 | 0:57:14 | |
is not just, you know, practical measures, you know, | 0:57:14 | 0:57:18 | |
not just saying, "Let's have a woman chair every committee and everything will get better." | 0:57:18 | 0:57:24 | |
What we need is some good, old-fashioned feminist consciousness-raising | 0:57:24 | 0:57:29 | |
about what we mean by the voice of authority | 0:57:29 | 0:57:33 | |
and how we have come to construct it. | 0:57:33 | 0:57:37 | |
And I think we need to work on that | 0:57:39 | 0:57:42 | |
before we can even start to figure out how we modern Penelopes | 0:57:42 | 0:57:49 | |
might answer back to our own Telemachuses, | 0:57:49 | 0:57:53 | |
or, for that matter, I think we should start to work on that | 0:57:53 | 0:57:59 | |
before we decide just to, well, lend Miss Triggs some hairpins | 0:57:59 | 0:58:07 | |
and see what happens. Thank you. | 0:58:07 | 0:58:10 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:58:10 | 0:58:13 |