Oh Do Shut Up Dear! Mary Beard on the Public Voice of Women


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APPLAUSE

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I want to start tonight very near the beginning

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of the whole tradition of Western literature,

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and with its first recorded example, and there must be many unrecorded,

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the first recorded example of a man telling a woman to shut up.

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LAUGHTER

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That her voice is not to be heard in public.

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I'm thinking of a particular moment,

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immortalised at the start of Homer's Odyssey, one of the founding epics

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of the Western literary tradition, almost 3,000 years old.

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Now we tend to think of the Odyssey

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as the story of the Greek hero Odysseus

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and the adventures and scrapes

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he had returning home after the Trojan War,

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while for decades his wife, Penelope,

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here sitting by her loom,

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loyally waited for him, fending off the suitors pressing to marry her.

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But the Odyssey is just as much a story of Telemachus,

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the son of Odysseus, seen here facing her.

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It's the story of his growing up,

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how, over the course of this long poem, he matures from boy to man.

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It's a process that starts in the very first book like this.

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One day, in the family palace,

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Penelope comes down from her private quarters into the great hall,

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to find a bard performing to throngs of her suitors

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and he is singing about the awful difficulties the Greek heroes

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are having in their attempts to get back home after the war.

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Penelope is not amused and, in front of everybody,

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she asks him to choose another happier number.

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At which point, young Telemachus intervenes.

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"Mother," he says,

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"Go back up to your quarters and take up your own work,

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"the loom and the distaff.

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"Speech will be the business of men, all men and me most of all,

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"for mine is the power in this household."

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And off she goes, back upstairs.

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Now, there is, I have to say,

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something faintly ridiculous

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about this sort of wet-behind-the-ears teenager

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actually managing to shut up the savvy, middle-aged Penelope.

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But he does that,

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and it's a nice demonstration that, right at the very beginning,

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where the Western literary tradition starts,

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women's voices are not being heard in the public sphere

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and, more than that, as Homer has it,

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an integral part of growing up to be a man is learning to take

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control of public utterance and to silence the female of the species.

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Actually, the very words Telemachus uses are significant, too.

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When he says, "Speech is men's business,"

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the word he uses for speech is "muthos".

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Now, that's not actually

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in the sense that it has come down to us as "myth".

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In Homeric Greek, it signals authoritative public speech,

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not the kind of chatting and prattling and gossip

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that anyone, women included or especially women, could do.

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The line is, Mum can chat, but woe betide her

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if she tries to command muthos, the voice of authority.

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But what I want to do this evening is to reflect

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on the relationship between that classic Homeric moment

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of silencing a woman

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and some of the ways in which women's voices are not

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publicly heard in our own contemporary culture

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and in our own politics, from the front bench to the shop floor.

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It is a well-known deafness which is nicely captured

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in this Punch cartoon,

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drawn, needless to say, by a woman.

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You've seen this many times in many areas.

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There are five blokes around the table,

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one nice lady called Miss Triggs, and the Chair is saying,

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in case you can't quite read it,

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"That's an excellent suggestion, Miss Triggs.

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"Perhaps one of the men here would like to make it."

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We will be coming back to this cartoon later.

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But I also want to look briefly at how, again, this Homeric moment

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might also relate to

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the abuse that many women who do speak out

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get subjected to even now.

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Now, I want to underline

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that I am trying to concentrate much more on voice tonight

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than on writing or on physical appearance.

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One of the questions at the back of my mind,

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to put it very simply,

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is what's the connection between, say, publicly speaking out

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in support of a female logo on a banknote,

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Twitter threats of rape and decapitation,

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and Telemachus's put-down of Penelope?

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Now, I have to be the first to acknowledge that it might

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seem a bit paradoxical, maybe even slightly self-defeating,

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for me here to be speaking publicly in front of this great audience

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about the obstacles confronting women

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in finding a public voice or a public ear.

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There will be some people who are saying,

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"She's got a bit of a nerve to try that."

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I'm going to come back again to that question, too,

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but let me say now,

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this is not intended to be an hour-long complaint.

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Nor am I wanting to suggest

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any blanket rules about women's silence,

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if that is how we should see it.

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I want to say it is much more complicated than that.

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My aim, rather, is to try to take a long view,

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a very long view on what I see as the culturally awkward relationship

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between the voice of women and the public sphere

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of speech-making, debate and comment,

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politics in its widest sense,

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whether it is in the office or the floor of the House of Commons.

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I am hoping that a long view will help us get beyond

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the simple diagnosis of misogyny that I think

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we tend to fall back on a bit lazily, to be honest.

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I mean, to be sure, misogyny is one of the things that is going on here.

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Speaking personally, if you go on a television discussion programme

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and then you receive a load of tweets

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comparing your genitalia to a variety of rotting vegetables,

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it's hard not to think misogyny is an apt term for what's going on.

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But if we want to, I think, understand better

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and even more do something about the fact that women,

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even when they are not actually silenced, yet still tend to pay

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a very high price in our culture to have their voices heard,

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we have, I think, to recognise that it's all a bit more complicated

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than that and that there is a long back story.

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And I'm starting with the back story.

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Because you won't be surprised to learn that Telemachus's outburst

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is just the first in a long line of largely successful attempts

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stretching throughout Greco-Roman antiquity,

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not just to exclude women from public speech,

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but also to boast that they have been excluded.

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To give you just a very quick flavour,

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in the early fourth century BC,

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the Greek playwright Aristophanes devoted a whole comedy

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to the "hilarious" fantasy

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that women might actually take over running the state.

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Part of the joke was that women just couldn't speak properly in public,

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or rather they couldn't adapt their private speech,

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which in this case turns out to be all about sex,

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they couldn't adapt their private speech to the lofty idiom

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of male Athenian politics.

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In the Roman world, Ovid's wonderful Metamorphoses,

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that extraordinary mythological epic poem about people changing shape,

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probably the most influential work of literature on Western art

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after the Bible ever,

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the Metamorphoses repeatedly returns to the idea of the silencing

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of women in the process of their transformation.

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Here is a 17th-century version of poor Io,

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who's been turned into a cow by Jupiter,

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so she cannot talk but only moo.

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While the chatty nymph, Echo, is punished by being condemned

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only to be able to repeat the words of others.

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Waterhouse here, in this famous picture,

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has her gazing at Narcissus,

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but unable to initiate conversation with him, while he,

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the original narcissist,

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has fallen in love with his own image in the pond.

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In the realm of history rather than myth,

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one earnest Roman anthologist of the first century AD

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managed to rake up just three examples of

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"women whose natural condition

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"did not manage to keep them silent in the forum."

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His descriptions are quite revealing.

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The first, a woman called Maesia,

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successfully defended herself in the courts

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and "because she really had a man's nature,

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"under the appearance of a woman,

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"was called the Androgyne, the man-woman."

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The second, Afrania, used to initiate legal cases herself

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and was "impudent enough" to plead in person,

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so that people became tired out with her barking or yapping.

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See how, in this account, she still doesn't have a human voice.

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She's turned into a dog already.

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We're told that she died in 48 BC because,

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and I'm quoting again, "with unnatural freaks like this,

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"it's more important to record when they died,

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"not when they were born."

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Now, there are just two main exceptions in the classical world

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to this abomination of women's public speaking.

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First, women are allowed to speak out

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as victims and as martyrs,

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usually to announce their own forthcoming death.

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Early Christian women, for example, are regularly represented,

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loudly upholding their faith as they go to be eaten by the lions.

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And in a famous story from the early history of Rome,

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the virtuous Lucretia,

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raped by a brutal prince of the ruling house,

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was given a speaking part

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solely to denounce the rapist and announce her own suicide.

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Or so Roman writers presented it.

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We haven't a clue what really happened.

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Here you have a 16th-century image of the rape at the top

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and there, Lucretia underneath, announcing what she's going to do.

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But even this rather bitter opportunity to speak

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could also itself be removed from women.

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One memorable story, in Ovid's Metamorphoses again,

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tells, I'm afraid, of yet another rape,

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this time of the young Princess Philomela.

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In order to prevent any Lucretia-style denunciation here,

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the rapist, as you see, quite simply cuts her tongue out.

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It's a theme that you probably know gets picked up again

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in Shakespeare's Titus Andronicus,

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where the raped Lavinia there

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has her tongue removed.

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The second exception to women's silences,

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perhaps a more familiar one,

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occasionally a woman could legitimately rise up to speak

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to defend her home, her kids,

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her husband or the interests of other women.

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So, in the third of the three examples of female oratory

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discussed by the Roman anthologist,

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the woman, Hortensia by name, gets away with it

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because she is acting explicitly as the spokesperson

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of the other women of Rome, the women only,

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after they had been subject to a special wealth tax

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to fund a rather dubious war effort.

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Women, in other words, may, in extreme circumstances,

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publicly defend their own sectional interests,

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but they can't speak for men

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and they can't speak for the community as a whole.

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And here's a 15th-century attempt to recapture Hortensia in full flow.

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In general, as one ancient Roman guru rather aptly put it,

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"a woman should as modestly guard against

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"exposing her voice to outsiders

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"as she would guard against stripping off her clothes."

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Right?

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That's the limit of female silence.

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There is, I think, more to this than meets the eye.

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The muteness that I've been trying to evoke is not simply a reflection

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of a general disempowerment of women in the classical world -

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no voting rights, limited legal and economic powers and so on.

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Of course, it's partly that.

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Ancient women were obviously not likely to raise their voices

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in a political sphere in which they had no formal stake.

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But the point seems to me

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is that we're dealing with a much more active

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and loaded exclusion of women from public speech in the ancient world.

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And, importantly, it's one with a much greater impact than

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we usually acknowledge on our own traditions, conventions

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and assumptions about the voice of women.

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What I mean is that public speaking

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and oratory wasn't something that ancient women just simply didn't do.

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It was an exclusive practice, an exclusive skill,

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that positively defined masculinity as a gender.

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As we saw with Telemachus, to become a man,

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and, of course, we're talking an elite man,

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to become a man was to claim the right to speak.

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Public speech was a, if not THE,

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defining attribute of maleness.

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So, a woman speaking in public was, in most circumstances,

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by definition, not a woman.

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So, beyond the kind of examples that I've quoted to you,

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we find repeated stress throughout ancient literature

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on the authority of the deep male voice.

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As one ancient scientific treatise explicitly put it,

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"A low-pitched voice indicated manly courage,

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"a high-pitched voice indicated female cowardice."

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Or, as other classical writers insisted,

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"The turn and the timbre of women's speech always threatened to

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"subvert, not just the voice of the male orator, but the social

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"and political stability and the health of the state as a whole."

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Another 2nd-century lecturer and guru, Dio Chrysostum...

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His name is a bit of a mouthful, but it actually means,

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significantly enough, Dio The Golden Mouth.

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Dio had this to say - I think it captures it nicely.

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"Imagine this," he asked.

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"Suppose an entire community was struck

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"by the following strange affliction -

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"all the men suddenly got female voices and no male,

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"child or adult, could say anything in a manly way.

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"Would not that seem terrible and harder to bear than any plague?

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"I'm sure they would send off to a sanctuary to consult the gods

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"and try to propitiate the divine power with many gifts."

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It would be nice to think that Dio was joking, but he wasn't,

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I don't think.

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What I want to underline here, and it's really my second point,

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is that this is not just

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the peculiar ideology of some distant culture.

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Distant in time, it may be.

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But actually, this is the tradition of gendered speaking

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and the theorizing of gendered speaking to which we are still,

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directly, or more often indirectly, the heirs.

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I don't want to overstate the case.

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Western culture does not owe everything to the Greeks and Romans,

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in speech or in anything else.

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And, to be honest, thank heavens it doesn't. You know?

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Even a classicist, or perhaps especially a classicist,

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would not fancy living in a Greco-Roman world.

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There are all kinds of variants and competing influences on us

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and our political system has happily overthrown

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many of the gendered certainties of antiquity,

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most obviously in giving women, formally at least,

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and relatively recently, equal political rights.

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And yet it remains the fact that our own traditions of debate

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and public speaking, their conventions and their rules,

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still lie very much in the shadow of the classical world.

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The modern techniques

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of rhetoric and persuasion, formulated in the Renaissance,

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were drawn explicitly from ancient speeches and handbooks.

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Our own terms of rhetorical analysis

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go back directly to Aristotle and Cicero.

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In fact, it's common to point out that Barack Obama

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or his speech writers have learnt all their best tricks from Cicero.

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And so far as the House of Commons is concerned,

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those 19th-century gents who devised or enshrined

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most of our parliamentary rules and procedures,

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they were brought up on exactly those classical theories

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and slogans and prejudices that I have been quoting to you.

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Again, I'm not meaning we're simply

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the victim of the classical inheritance here,

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but those classical traditions have provided us with

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and continue to provide us with

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a template for thinking about public speech,

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for defining and deciding what counts as good oratory, or bad,

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what counts as good persuasion or not

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and whose speech has a right to be heard,

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and gender is obviously an important part of that mix.

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And it only takes a really casual glance

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at the modern Western traditions of speech-making and debate,

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at least up to the 20th century, to see many of those classical themes

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being replayed and re-emerging all over the place.

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Women who claim a public voice get treated as freakish androgynies,

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like Maesia defending herself in the Forum.

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Now, the obvious case here is Elizabeth I's belligerent address

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to the troops at Tilbury in 1588 in the face of the Spanish Armada,

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where, in those famous words that I certainly learnt at school,

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and I'm sure many of you did too,

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she seems positively to avow her own androgyny.

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You'll remember it. "I know I have the body of a weak, feeble woman,

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"but I have the heart and stomach of a king and a king of England, too."

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It's a slogan that I discovered this week that you can still buy

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emblazoned on gifts,

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from babygrows to skateboards.

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I have to say, why you'd want that on a babygrow rather beats me,

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but I tell you, you can get it.

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The truth is, actually, I have to tell you,

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that Good Queen Bess may never have said anything of the sort.

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There is absolutely no script from Elizabeth or from her speech writer,

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there's no eyewitness account

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and the canonical version that I was made to learn...

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Again, as I was reflecting this week,

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a funny thing to make a girl at a girls' school learn,

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that speech, but I did.

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That comes from a letter from a pretty unreliable commentator

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with a terrible axe to grind,

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about 40 years after the speech was said to be delivered.

0:24:250:24:31

But, for my purpose,

0:24:310:24:32

the likely fictionality of the words makes them even better

0:24:320:24:37

cos the nice twist there is that the male letter-writer

0:24:370:24:41

puts the confession or the boast of androgyny

0:24:410:24:46

into Elizabeth's own mouth.

0:24:460:24:49

But looking at modern traditions of oratory more generally,

0:24:490:24:53

we also find that main area of licence for women to talk publicly,

0:24:530:25:00

that is to support their own and women's interests,

0:25:000:25:06

again, being very prominent.

0:25:060:25:08

And I hope you don't spend as long as I've been spending

0:25:080:25:12

flipping through those rather quaint compendia

0:25:120:25:16

called A Hundred Great Speeches From History,

0:25:160:25:20

cos they're very odd.

0:25:200:25:22

But, if you do, what you will find,

0:25:220:25:26

when they come to get the women's speeches from history,

0:25:260:25:29

which is always a bit of a challenge,

0:25:290:25:31

most of the female highlights, from Emmeline Pankhurst

0:25:310:25:36

to Hillary Clinton talking at

0:25:360:25:38

the UN Conference On Women in Beijing, very famously,

0:25:380:25:42

are just of that type.

0:25:420:25:43

They're talking, always, or almost always,

0:25:430:25:46

about the lot of women, not about the community as a whole.

0:25:460:25:51

And so, too, is probably what's the most popularly

0:25:510:25:55

and frequently anthologised example of female oratory of all,

0:25:550:26:01

which is the 1851 Ain't I A Woman? speech

0:26:010:26:06

of Sojourner Truth,

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an ex-slave, abolitionist and American campaigner

0:26:080:26:12

for women's rights.

0:26:120:26:14

"And ain't I a woman?" she's supposed to have said.

0:26:140:26:17

"I have borne 13 chilern

0:26:170:26:19

"and seen 'em most all sold off to slavery

0:26:190:26:23

"and when I cried out with my mother's grief,

0:26:230:26:26

"none but Jesus heard me!

0:26:260:26:29

"And ain't I a woman?"

0:26:290:26:31

That's been very influential.

0:26:310:26:34

I should say, just in case you're wondering,

0:26:340:26:37

those words are only slightly less mythical

0:26:370:26:40

than Elizabeth's at Tilbury.

0:26:400:26:43

That authorised version was written up about ten years

0:26:430:26:47

after Sojourner Truth's speech, saying whatever she said

0:26:470:26:52

and it's in that second version, not by her at all,

0:26:520:26:56

that what is now the famous refrain - "Ain't I a woman?"

0:26:560:27:00

which Sojourner Truth certainly never said - was inserted

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and, in fact, the whole speech was kind of re-translated at that point

0:27:050:27:12

into the Southern drawl that I notably failed to replicate...

0:27:120:27:16

AUDIENCE CHUCKLES

0:27:160:27:17

..to match the abolitionist message,

0:27:170:27:20

even though Sojourner Truth came from the North

0:27:200:27:23

and had been brought up speaking Dutch.

0:27:230:27:26

So we have to be careful with these things.

0:27:270:27:30

Now, I'm not, of course, saying that women's voices

0:27:300:27:34

raised in support of women's causes aren't important, you know.

0:27:340:27:38

Someone, for heaven's sake, has to speak up for women

0:27:380:27:41

and if men won't, well, women should.

0:27:410:27:45

But it remains the case that women's public speech has, for centuries,

0:27:450:27:51

been niched into that area

0:27:510:27:54

and here, of course, I've got to flag up, before somebody else does,

0:27:540:27:58

my own topic this evening.

0:27:580:28:01

No-one forced me to talk about this,

0:28:010:28:04

but I think it can hardly be a coincidence

0:28:040:28:07

that I chose to talk about the public voice of women

0:28:070:28:11

rather than about, say, migration or the war in Syria.

0:28:110:28:16

Now, I don't want to put myself in the same league as Sojourner Truth,

0:28:160:28:21

but I probably have to confess to being in that niche, too.

0:28:210:28:26

But even that area of licence has not always, or even at all,

0:28:260:28:31

consistently been available to women.

0:28:310:28:34

There are countless examples of attempts to write women out

0:28:340:28:38

of public discourse entirely, Telemachus-style.

0:28:380:28:42

But just to take one, anyone who's read Henry James's Bostonians,

0:28:420:28:47

published in the 1880s,

0:28:470:28:49

will remember that a central theme in that book

0:28:490:28:53

is the silencing of Verena Tarrant,

0:28:530:28:55

a young feminist campaigner and speaker.

0:28:550:28:59

As she draws closer and closer to her suitor, Basil Ransom,

0:28:590:29:04

a man endowed, as James stresses, "with a rich, deep voice"...

0:29:040:29:10

..she finds herself increasingly unable to speak,

0:29:110:29:15

as she once did, in public.

0:29:150:29:17

Ransom effectively re-privatises her voice,

0:29:170:29:22

insisting that she speak only to him.

0:29:220:29:26

"Keep your soothing words for me," he says.

0:29:260:29:31

Now, in the novel, it's quite hard to pin James's own standpoint down,

0:29:310:29:36

and certainly most readers don't warm to Basil,

0:29:360:29:39

but in the essays, James makes it pretty clear where he stood,

0:29:390:29:44

for he wrote about the polluting, contagious

0:29:440:29:48

and socially destructive effects of women's voices

0:29:480:29:53

in words that could well have been written

0:29:530:29:56

by some second-century-AD Roman,

0:29:560:29:58

and were probably in part derived from second-century-AD sources.

0:29:580:30:04

Under American women's influence, he insisted,

0:30:040:30:09

language risks becoming "a generalised mumble or jumble,

0:30:090:30:15

"a tongueless slobber or snarl or whine.

0:30:150:30:19

"It will sound like the moo of the cow, the bray of the ass,

0:30:190:30:25

"and the bark of the dog."

0:30:250:30:27

I hope you spotted in that kind of mad, extreme stuff,

0:30:270:30:32

a faint glimpse of the tongueless Philomela, the moo of Io,

0:30:320:30:37

and the barking of the Roman female orator in the Forum.

0:30:370:30:42

Henry James was just one among many in what amounted, at the time,

0:30:430:30:48

to something of a crusade for proper standards in American speech.

0:30:480:30:53

Other contemporaries praised

0:30:530:30:56

the sweet, domestic, private singing of the female,

0:30:560:31:01

while opposing any use of a female voice

0:31:010:31:05

in the wider world.

0:31:050:31:07

And there's plenty of thundering

0:31:070:31:09

about "thin nasal tones" of women's public speech,

0:31:090:31:13

about their twangs, their whiffles,

0:31:130:31:15

their snuffles, their whines and their whinnies.

0:31:150:31:19

"In the name of our homes, our children, our national honour,"

0:31:210:31:25

said James again, in 1906, "Don't let us have women like that!"

0:31:250:31:31

Now, we don't talk quite in those bold terms now.

0:31:310:31:36

Not quite, but it does seem to me

0:31:360:31:40

that many aspects of that traditional package of views

0:31:400:31:45

about the unsuitability of women for public speaking in general,

0:31:450:31:51

a package which goes back more than two millennia,

0:31:510:31:54

still underlies some of our own assumptions about,

0:31:540:31:58

and our awkwardness with,

0:31:580:32:00

the female voice in public.

0:32:000:32:03

Take, for example, the language we still use

0:32:030:32:07

to describe the sounds of women's speech,

0:32:070:32:10

which is not all that far from Henry James

0:32:100:32:13

or some pontificating Roman.

0:32:130:32:16

In making a public case, in speaking out, what are women said to be?

0:32:160:32:22

They're said to be "strident",

0:32:220:32:24

they "whinge" and they "whine".

0:32:240:32:28

When, after one particularly vile bout

0:32:280:32:32

of internet comments on my own genitalia,

0:32:320:32:35

I tweeted, rather pluckily, I thought,

0:32:350:32:39

that it was all a bit "gobsmacking".

0:32:390:32:42

This got reported by one commentator

0:32:420:32:45

in a mainstream British magazine in these terms -

0:32:450:32:50

"The misogyny is truly 'gobsmacking', she whined."

0:32:500:32:55

LAUGHTER

0:32:550:32:57

Since when has it been whining

0:32:570:32:58

to say that something was gobsmacking?

0:32:580:33:01

This did induce in me a quick Google trawl to see, you know,

0:33:010:33:07

who is said to whine in the world these days?

0:33:070:33:10

And I can tell you - it's women, closely followed

0:33:100:33:13

by Premiership football managers on a losing streak.

0:33:130:33:16

LAUGHTER

0:33:160:33:18

Not only women.

0:33:180:33:20

I felt so angry about that,

0:33:220:33:23

I felt more angry about being said to be a whiner

0:33:230:33:27

than I did about the misogyny in the first place, I think.

0:33:270:33:30

You might say, "Well, do those words really matter?"

0:33:310:33:34

And the answer to that is of course they matter

0:33:340:33:37

because they underpin a contemporary idiom

0:33:370:33:41

that acts to remove the authority, the force,

0:33:410:33:46

even the wit or the humour or the irony from what women have to say.

0:33:460:33:52

It's an idiom that effectively repositions women

0:33:520:33:57

back into the domestic sphere.

0:33:570:34:00

Think when people normally use the words "whinge" and "whine",

0:34:000:34:04

it's over things like the washing-up and who hasn't put their socks

0:34:040:34:07

in the laundry basket, and things like that.

0:34:070:34:09

It trivialises the words of women

0:34:090:34:12

by making it into, turning it into, a whine

0:34:120:34:15

or in the terms I was using about Henry James,

0:34:150:34:18

it "re-privatises" women that way.

0:34:180:34:22

Contrast, very easy, contrast "the deep-voiced man"

0:34:220:34:27

with all the connotations of profundity

0:34:270:34:31

that that simple word "deep" actually brings.

0:34:310:34:36

Deep, he's deep and deep.

0:34:360:34:38

And it is still the case, I'd argue, that when, as listeners,

0:34:400:34:45

we, and I think I'm including women in this,

0:34:450:34:49

we hear a female voice,

0:34:490:34:53

we much more rarely hear a voice that connotes authority

0:34:530:34:58

or rather, and this is to put it, I think, more correctly,

0:34:580:35:02

we haven't yet learned how to hear authority in a woman's voice.

0:35:020:35:08

We don't hear, in Homeric terms, muthos when we listen to a woman.

0:35:080:35:14

Now, I'm talking just voice here,

0:35:140:35:16

but it's very obvious that you could do appearance too.

0:35:160:35:19

You could say, in a man,

0:35:190:35:23

craggy and wrinkled faces signal mature wisdom.

0:35:230:35:29

In a woman, they signal a kind of

0:35:290:35:32

past-my-use-by-date label, I think.

0:35:320:35:34

We don't hear a voice of authority,

0:35:370:35:38

we don't hear a voice of expertise either,

0:35:380:35:43

at least, not outside women's traditional spheres.

0:35:430:35:48

To put it in another obvious way,

0:35:480:35:50

for a female MP to be a Minister of Women, or of Education or of Health,

0:35:500:35:55

is a very different thing from being Chancellor of the Exchequer -

0:35:550:35:59

a post that no woman has yet filled.

0:35:590:36:02

And, across the board, we still tend to see a tremendous resistance

0:36:030:36:08

to female encroachment

0:36:080:36:11

onto traditional male discursive territory,

0:36:110:36:14

whether that's the abuse that gets hurled at Jacqui Oatley

0:36:140:36:18

for having the nerve to leave the netball court

0:36:180:36:21

to become the first woman commentator on Match Of The Day,

0:36:210:36:25

or what can get meted out, and regularly is meted out,

0:36:250:36:29

to women who appear on Question Time,

0:36:290:36:32

where the range of topics discussed

0:36:320:36:36

is usually fairly mainstream "male political".

0:36:360:36:40

It may not be a surprise that the same commentator

0:36:420:36:45

who accused me of whining claims to run, I quote,

0:36:450:36:49

a "small light-hearted competition," for guess what -

0:36:490:36:54

"the most stupid woman to appear on Question Time in a year."

0:36:540:36:59

Now, I am extremely reluctant to stoop to the obvious point

0:36:590:37:05

about the stupid men that appear on the panel.

0:37:050:37:09

Much more interesting is another cultural connection

0:37:090:37:14

that that reveals -

0:37:140:37:16

that unpopular, controversial or just plain different views,

0:37:160:37:22

when voiced by a woman,

0:37:220:37:24

tend to get taken as indications of her stupidity.

0:37:240:37:29

It's not that you disagree, it's that she's stupid.

0:37:290:37:34

"Sorry, love, you just don't understand."

0:37:340:37:38

And I can't tell you the number of times that I have been called,

0:37:380:37:43

you know, online or by e-mail,

0:37:430:37:46

"an ignorant moron".

0:37:460:37:47

Now, hang on, I think, and sometimes say, you know,

0:37:480:37:52

I might be wrong, you know, I might not have got it right.

0:37:520:37:56

We might disagree, but I'm self-confident enough to know

0:37:560:38:00

that I'm not an ignorant moron. Right?

0:38:000:38:03

CHUCKLING

0:38:030:38:04

Being wrong is different from being stupid.

0:38:040:38:07

Now, these assumptions and these prejudices are,

0:38:090:38:12

I think, very hard-wired into us.

0:38:120:38:15

I don't mean that they're hard-wired into our brains,

0:38:150:38:18

there is no neurological reason whatsoever

0:38:180:38:22

for us to perceive low-pitched voices

0:38:220:38:25

as more authoritative than high-pitched voices.

0:38:250:38:29

But they hard-wired into our culture, our language,

0:38:290:38:34

our way of talking about men and women

0:38:340:38:36

and into the millennia of our history.

0:38:360:38:39

And when we are thinking about the under-representation of women

0:38:390:38:43

in national politics, say,

0:38:430:38:45

their relative muteness in the public sphere,

0:38:450:38:49

I'm sure we have to think beyond what the Prime Minister

0:38:490:38:53

and his chums got up to in the Bullingdon Club,

0:38:530:38:56

beyond the bad behaviour and the blokeish culture of Westminster,

0:38:560:39:01

beyond even issues of family-friendly hours,

0:39:010:39:04

childcare and women-only short lists,

0:39:040:39:07

important as those are.

0:39:070:39:09

I think we need to be focusing on those even more fundamental issues

0:39:090:39:15

of how we have learned to hear the contributions of women,

0:39:150:39:22

or, just to go back

0:39:220:39:23

to the cartoon for a moment,

0:39:230:39:25

I think we have to focus on what

0:39:250:39:27

I'm going, from now on, to call

0:39:270:39:29

the Miss Triggs question.

0:39:290:39:32

Not just, how does poor old Miss Triggs get a word in edgeways?

0:39:320:39:36

Though that's important enough.

0:39:360:39:39

But how can we make ourselves more aware about the processes

0:39:390:39:45

and prejudices that mean we don't hear her.

0:39:450:39:50

Now, at this point,

0:39:520:39:54

I am going to turn briefly to trolls,

0:39:540:39:56

the internet death-threat and abuse,

0:39:560:39:58

because some of these same issues of voice and gender

0:39:580:40:02

are at play there, too.

0:40:020:40:04

Now, I think we have to be very, very careful about generalising

0:40:040:40:08

too confidently about the nastier sides of the internet.

0:40:080:40:13

These appear in many, many different forms,

0:40:130:40:17

it's not quite the same on Twitter

0:40:170:40:20

as it is under the line in comments in newspapers,

0:40:200:40:25

and criminal death-threats are a quite different kettle of fish

0:40:250:40:29

from merely "unpleasant" abuse.

0:40:290:40:33

And many different people are targets,

0:40:330:40:37

from grieving parents of dead teenagers

0:40:370:40:40

through, you know, professors of classics,

0:40:400:40:43

to celebrities of all sorts.

0:40:430:40:47

What is clear about internet abuse

0:40:470:40:51

is that many more men than women are the perpetrators of it,

0:40:510:40:57

and they attack women far more than they attack men.

0:40:570:41:01

Now, men are not immune from attack,

0:41:010:41:05

but one academic study a few years ago put the ratio

0:41:050:41:09

at something like 30 to 1, female to male targets.

0:41:090:41:15

For what it's worth, and I have to say I've not suffered

0:41:150:41:18

anything like as bad as some other women,

0:41:180:41:21

I receive what I would euphemistically call

0:41:210:41:26

something inappropriately hostile,

0:41:260:41:30

that's to say, you know, beyond fair comment,

0:41:300:41:33

beyond even fair anger, just being cross,

0:41:330:41:36

every time I speak on the radio or television

0:41:360:41:40

and I almost certainly will after this lecture is broadcast.

0:41:400:41:44

It's driven, I'm sure, by many different things.

0:41:460:41:48

Some of it's from kids acting up, some of it's from people who've had

0:41:480:41:52

too much to drink, some of it's from people who've just for a moment

0:41:520:41:55

lost that inner inhibitor and can often be very apologetic later.

0:41:550:42:00

I think most of them are more sad than they are wicked.

0:42:000:42:05

And when I'm feeling charitable,

0:42:050:42:07

sometimes, when I'm feeling charitable,

0:42:070:42:09

I think quite a lot of it comes from people who feel rather let down

0:42:090:42:14

by the false promises of democratisation

0:42:140:42:18

blazoned by media such as Twitter.

0:42:180:42:22

It was supposed to put us directly in touch with those in power,

0:42:220:42:26

it was supposed to open up

0:42:260:42:29

a new kind of democratic kind of conversation.

0:42:290:42:33

Of course, it does absolutely nothing of the sort.

0:42:330:42:36

You know, if we choose to tweet the Prime Minister or the Pope,

0:42:360:42:41

they will no more read our tweet than they would read a letter

0:42:410:42:45

if we sent it to them.

0:42:450:42:47

And for the most part, the Prime Minister doesn't even write

0:42:470:42:50

the tweets that appear under his name anyway.

0:42:500:42:53

How could he?

0:42:530:42:54

I have to say, I'm rather more optimistic

0:42:540:42:57

that maybe the Pope does write some of his.

0:42:570:42:59

I think he might not be so busy.

0:42:590:43:02

LAUGHTER

0:43:020:43:04

Some of the abuse, I suspect, is actually a squeal of frustration

0:43:070:43:12

at those false promises, taking aim at one of the traditional targets

0:43:120:43:18

of our culture - "the gobby woman".

0:43:180:43:20

And we have to remember,

0:43:200:43:22

and I think it's important to stress at this point,

0:43:220:43:25

women are not the only group in our culture

0:43:250:43:28

who either are or feel themselves to be voiceless.

0:43:280:43:32

But the more I've looked at the details

0:43:330:43:36

of the threats and the insults

0:43:360:43:38

that women are on the receiving end of,

0:43:380:43:41

the more, some of them at least, seem to fit into the old patterns

0:43:410:43:47

of prejudice and assumption that I've been talking about.

0:43:470:43:51

For a start, it doesn't much matter

0:43:520:43:56

what line you take in an argument as a woman.

0:43:560:44:00

If you venture into traditional male territory, the abuse comes anyway.

0:44:000:44:07

It's not WHAT you say that prompts it,

0:44:070:44:10

it's the fact that you are saying it.

0:44:100:44:14

And that matches the details of the threats themselves.

0:44:150:44:19

And OK, you know, they include the predictable menu

0:44:190:44:24

of rape, bombing, murder and so forth.

0:44:240:44:28

And if I sound now relatively insouciant about that,

0:44:280:44:33

I can tell you, late at night,

0:44:330:44:34

when you get one of those, you feel scared.

0:44:340:44:37

They have all that, but there's a significant subsection

0:44:370:44:41

which homes in on the silencing of women.

0:44:410:44:46

If you look at what these tweets are saying, "Shut up, you bitch,"

0:44:460:44:50

is a fairly common refrain.

0:44:500:44:52

Or they will promise to remove your capacity to speak.

0:44:520:44:57

"I'm going to cut off your head and rape it," was one tweet I got.

0:44:570:45:03

"eadlessfemalepig"was the Twitter name chosen

0:45:030:45:07

by someone threatening an American journalist.

0:45:070:45:11

Or perhaps most diagnostic of all,

0:45:110:45:14

"You should have your tongue ripped out,"

0:45:140:45:18

as was tweeted to another journalist, which, of course,

0:45:180:45:22

takes us back straightaway, 2,000 years,to poor Philomela.

0:45:220:45:27

In its crude, aggressive way,

0:45:280:45:31

a lot of these tweets and other forms of online abuse

0:45:310:45:36

are about keeping women, or getting women, out of man's talk.

0:45:360:45:41

In a way, I think, the 140 characters of a tweet

0:45:420:45:46

act as a sort of magnifying glass on attitudes that you find elsewhere.

0:45:460:45:51

And, in some ways, I'm tempted to see

0:45:510:45:53

that there is a kind of faint connection

0:45:530:45:56

between these mad Twitter outbursts, and mad mostly is what they are,

0:45:560:46:01

and the blokes in the House of Commons heckling women MPs so loud

0:46:010:46:05

that you simply can't hear what they say.

0:46:050:46:09

I'm told that in the Afghan parliament,

0:46:090:46:11

they have a rather cleverer strategy.

0:46:110:46:13

They just unplug the women's mics when they don't want to hear them.

0:46:130:46:17

Ironically, too, the well-meaning solution that's often recommended

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when women are on the receiving end of this turns out to bring about

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the very result that the abusers want -

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namely, women's silence.

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What do you get told? "Don't call the abusers out.

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"Don't give them any attention, that's what they're looking...

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"Just say nothing and it will all go away."

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That's the advice you get.

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I can tell you, if you think

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that women have put up and shut up far too long,

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it's very hard to follow that advice.

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It amounts, I think, to leaving the Twitter bullies

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in unchallenged occupation of the Twitter playground.

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We have to speak out.

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Now, in a way, that's sort of the bare bones of my...

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It's not a diagnosis, it's my kind of historical long view.

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But to finish with, we ought to think a bit about

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what the remedy might be.

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It's all very well doing a bit of analysis,

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but what are we going to do about it?

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What is the remedy?

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Well, put in those terms, like most women,

0:47:300:47:33

I can say, I only wish I knew what to do about this.

0:47:330:47:38

There can't be, I think, a group of female friends or colleagues

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anywhere in this country,

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and probably not many places in the world,

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who haven't regularly discussed

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at least the day-to-day practical aspects

0:47:510:47:54

of the Miss Triggs question,

0:47:540:47:56

whether in the office or the committee room,

0:47:560:47:59

the council chamber, the seminar or the House of Commons.

0:47:590:48:03

How do I get my point heard?

0:48:030:48:05

How do I get it noticed?

0:48:050:48:08

How do I feel, as a woman, I belong to that discussion that is going on?

0:48:080:48:13

Now, I'm sure it's something that some men feel too.

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As I've already said, women aren't the only voiceless people on the planet.

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All the same, if there's one thing we know bonds women

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across all backgrounds, all political colours,

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in all kinds of businesses and professions in this country,

0:48:300:48:34

it's the classic experience that almost all of us have shared

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of the failed intervention. I'm sure that many women in the audience

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are instantly going to recognise what I'm talking about.

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You're at a meeting, you decide you're going to make a point,

0:48:440:48:49

you find a place to put it in,

0:48:490:48:53

then there's a silence - isn't it? - a short silence follows,

0:48:530:48:57

a few awkward seconds...

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and then some man picks up just where he'd last left off and says,

0:48:590:49:02

"But what I was saying was..."

0:49:020:49:04

LAUGHTER

0:49:040:49:06

And if feels as if you might never have opened your mouth,

0:49:060:49:08

and you end up both blaming yourself

0:49:080:49:11

and the blokes whose exclusive club this discussion appears to be.

0:49:110:49:16

Those who do manage successfully to get their voice across

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very often adopt some version of the androgyne route,

0:49:210:49:26

like Maesia in the Forum or the mythical Elizabeth at Tilbury -

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consciously aping aspects of male rhetoric.

0:49:300:49:35

CHUCKLING

0:49:350:49:36

That was basically Margaret Thatcher's line

0:49:360:49:40

when she took training specifically to lower her voice,

0:49:400:49:44

to add the tone of authority

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that her advisers thought her high pitch lacked.

0:49:460:49:50

And that's fine, in a way, if it works,

0:49:510:49:56

but it seems to me that all tactics of that type

0:49:560:50:00

tend to leave women still feeling that they're on the outside,

0:50:000:50:04

that they're impersonators of rhetorical roles

0:50:040:50:09

that they don't quite own.

0:50:090:50:11

They're actors rather than orators.

0:50:110:50:14

And putting it bluntly,

0:50:150:50:17

it seems to me that having women just pretend to be men

0:50:170:50:22

may be a quick fix for some,

0:50:220:50:24

but it doesn't honestly get to the heart of the problem.

0:50:240:50:28

Now, what I've been suggesting at various points in this lecture,

0:50:290:50:34

is that what we really need to do

0:50:340:50:36

is to think much more fundamentally

0:50:360:50:39

about the rules of our own rhetorical operations.

0:50:390:50:43

Now, I don't mean by that that sort of old stand-by of,

0:50:430:50:47

"Oh, men and women talk different languages, don't they?"

0:50:470:50:51

To which I would always reply, "Well, if they do, it's because

0:50:510:50:54

"somebody taught them different languages."

0:50:540:50:57

And I certainly don't mean to urge us down some kind of

0:50:570:51:00

pop psychology route, you know,

0:51:000:51:02

"Men are from Mars, women are from Venus,

0:51:020:51:04

"so never mind about public speaking, my dear."

0:51:040:51:07

CHUCKLING

0:51:070:51:09

My hunch is that if we're going to make any progress

0:51:090:51:14

with the Miss Triggs question,

0:51:140:51:16

we need to go back to some first principles

0:51:160:51:18

about the nature of spoken authority,

0:51:180:51:22

about what constitutes it,

0:51:220:51:24

how we have learned to hear authoritative utterance

0:51:240:51:29

where we have,

0:51:290:51:30

and how we recognise that.

0:51:300:51:33

And rather than push generations of women into voice-training classes,

0:51:330:51:39

I think perhaps we should be thinking more about

0:51:390:51:43

the fault lines and fractures that underlie dominant male discourse.

0:51:430:51:48

It isn't necessarily women's fault here.

0:51:480:51:51

And again, I think, we can usefully look back

0:51:520:51:56

to the Greeks and the Romans.

0:51:560:51:58

For, while it is true, as I've been insisting, that classical culture,

0:51:580:52:03

I think, has to bear, some, some part of the responsibility

0:52:030:52:07

for our starkly gendered assumptions about public speech,

0:52:070:52:12

about male muthos and female silence,

0:52:120:52:16

it's also the case that some ancient writers were much more reflective

0:52:160:52:22

than we ourselves are about those gendered assumptions.

0:52:220:52:28

They were subversively aware of what was at stake in them,

0:52:280:52:32

they were troubled about their simplicity,

0:52:320:52:36

and they hinted at resistance.

0:52:360:52:39

Ovid, for example, may have silenced his women

0:52:390:52:42

in their transformation and mutilation,

0:52:420:52:46

but he also suggested that communication could transcend the human voice,

0:52:460:52:52

and that women were not that easily shut up.

0:52:520:52:57

Philomela lost her tongue,

0:52:570:53:00

but she still managed to denounce her rapist

0:53:000:53:04

by weaving the story of what had happened to her into a tapestry,

0:53:040:53:10

which is why Shakespeare, in Titus Andronicus,

0:53:100:53:15

has to remove not only the tongue of Lavinia, but also her hands,

0:53:150:53:21

just in case she got anywhere near a loom.

0:53:210:53:25

CHUCKLING

0:53:250:53:27

And the smartest male, ancient... They're all male.

0:53:270:53:31

The smartest ancient rhetorical theorists acknowledged

0:53:310:53:35

that the best masculine techniques of oratorical persuasion

0:53:350:53:41

were uncomfortably close, as they saw it,

0:53:410:53:45

to the techniques of female seduction.

0:53:450:53:48

"So, was oratory really so safely masculine?" they wondered.

0:53:480:53:53

Maybe it was a female genre all along.

0:53:530:53:56

And one particularly bloody anecdote vividly exposes the gender wars

0:53:580:54:04

just below the surface of ancient public life and speaking.

0:54:040:54:10

It's a story that comes from the conflicts at Rome that followed

0:54:100:54:14

the assassination of Julius Caesar, in 44 BC.

0:54:140:54:18

The cause of these, Marcus Tullius Cicero,

0:54:180:54:22

Roman's most powerful public speaker and debater ever, was lynched.

0:54:220:54:29

And the hit-squad that took him out

0:54:290:54:31

triumphantly brought his head and his hands to Rome,

0:54:310:54:36

and they pinned them up, for all to see,

0:54:360:54:39

on the speaker's platform in the Forum.

0:54:390:54:42

So just where Cicero had claimed his greatest oratorical triumphs,

0:54:420:54:48

there his head and his hands got stuck up, dead.

0:54:480:54:53

It was then, the story goes, that Fulvia,

0:54:530:54:57

the wife of Mark Antony, who had been the victim of some of Cicero's

0:54:570:55:01

most devastating polemics, went along to have a look.

0:55:010:55:07

And when she saw the bits of him,

0:55:070:55:09

she removed the pins from her hair and repeatedly stabbed them

0:55:090:55:16

into the dead man's tongue.

0:55:160:55:18

It's a disconcerting image

0:55:190:55:21

of a defining article of female adornment, the hairpin,

0:55:210:55:27

used as a violent weapon against the very site of the production

0:55:270:55:33

of male speech in the male mouth.

0:55:330:55:37

It's a kind of reverse Philomela.

0:55:370:55:40

This 19th-century painting, even more disconcertingly,

0:55:400:55:45

eroticises the whole scene.

0:55:450:55:47

In fact, gloating Fulvia actually

0:55:470:55:50

seems to have taken Cicero's head home

0:55:500:55:53

to do her way with, rather than...

0:55:530:55:56

It's supposed to be in the Forum, you know,

0:55:560:55:58

not in your bedroom, darling.

0:55:580:56:01

LAUGHTER

0:56:010:56:02

But you get the point.

0:56:020:56:04

What I'm pointing to here is a critically aware,

0:56:070:56:12

self-aware ancient tradition,

0:56:120:56:15

and it's not one that directly challenges the basic template

0:56:150:56:19

I've been outlining, but it is one

0:56:190:56:22

that seems to determine to reveal the conflicts and the paradoxes

0:56:220:56:27

in the gendering of public speech,

0:56:270:56:31

to raise bigger issues about the nature

0:56:310:56:35

and purpose of communication, male and female.

0:56:350:56:39

And I think, really, to close,

0:56:400:56:42

we should perhaps take our cue from this,

0:56:420:56:45

and really make an effort to bring to the surface

0:56:450:56:50

all those big questions that we tend to shelve

0:56:500:56:55

in our pursuit of quick fixes and practical answers

0:56:550:56:59

about how we speak in public,

0:56:590:57:02

why we speak in public, what actually is debating for,

0:57:020:57:06

and whose voice, have we learned, fits.

0:57:060:57:12

What we need, in other words, I think,

0:57:120:57:14

is not just, you know, practical measures, you know,

0:57:140:57:18

not just saying, "Let's have a woman chair every committee and everything will get better."

0:57:180:57:24

What we need is some good, old-fashioned feminist consciousness-raising

0:57:240:57:29

about what we mean by the voice of authority

0:57:290:57:33

and how we have come to construct it.

0:57:330:57:37

And I think we need to work on that

0:57:390:57:42

before we can even start to figure out how we modern Penelopes

0:57:420:57:49

might answer back to our own Telemachuses,

0:57:490:57:53

or, for that matter, I think we should start to work on that

0:57:530:57:59

before we decide just to, well, lend Miss Triggs some hairpins

0:57:590:58:07

and see what happens. Thank you.

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