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BELL RINGS | 0:00:02 | 0:00:04 | |
BELL CONTINUES RINGING | 0:00:05 | 0:00:07 | |
I remember first of all the red phone rang, | 0:00:13 | 0:00:15 | |
and that was it, disaster phone. | 0:00:15 | 0:00:17 | |
If that rang you knew that something was going to happen. | 0:00:17 | 0:00:21 | |
The awfulness of it. | 0:00:22 | 0:00:24 | |
And you got so angry inside yourself. | 0:00:24 | 0:00:27 | |
What is this about? | 0:00:27 | 0:00:29 | |
And the worst was, of course, if they had limbs, | 0:00:29 | 0:00:34 | |
traumatic amputative limbs, | 0:00:34 | 0:00:37 | |
and it just was dirt and mess and horrible smell. | 0:00:37 | 0:00:42 | |
It's given me great knowledge for starters, | 0:00:44 | 0:00:47 | |
and it gave me a confidence, too, like, and...and a pride. | 0:00:47 | 0:00:51 | |
I had great pride in it. I don't regret one day of it. | 0:00:51 | 0:00:54 | |
You were expected to just get on with so many jobs, | 0:00:57 | 0:01:00 | |
and many of those jobs were not things that you were prepared for. | 0:01:00 | 0:01:05 | |
You were nursing somebody who had committed the atrocity | 0:01:05 | 0:01:08 | |
alongside somebody who'd been injured in the atrocity | 0:01:08 | 0:01:11 | |
and sometimes even on the same ward, and you...you give them equal care. | 0:01:11 | 0:01:15 | |
SIREN | 0:01:15 | 0:01:18 | |
We could hear the ambulances coming, all the sirens going. | 0:01:20 | 0:01:24 | |
And the more sirens you could hear | 0:01:24 | 0:01:26 | |
the more you knew it was really going to be bad. | 0:01:26 | 0:01:29 | |
I was never afraid, never afraid. | 0:01:31 | 0:01:34 | |
The only time I was afraid was when I...was in crossfire. | 0:01:34 | 0:01:39 | |
HE CHUCKLES WRYLY AND TUTS | 0:01:41 | 0:01:43 | |
Oh, yes, there are patients you remember. | 0:01:43 | 0:01:46 | |
Some patients you remember and...and some of them, er, | 0:01:48 | 0:01:53 | |
never go out of your mind. | 0:01:53 | 0:01:55 | |
I seemed to go through an awful lot of aprons. | 0:01:59 | 0:02:02 | |
I still have one. | 0:02:02 | 0:02:04 | |
I take it out and look at it sometimes. | 0:02:05 | 0:02:08 | |
I see the stains - blood, tears, iodine. | 0:02:08 | 0:02:12 | |
I put it away again. | 0:02:12 | 0:02:15 | |
I don't like going back there. | 0:02:15 | 0:02:17 | |
Some stains just never come out. | 0:02:17 | 0:02:20 | |
I left school on the Friday. | 0:02:43 | 0:02:45 | |
And then started nursing about two weeks afterwards. | 0:02:45 | 0:02:48 | |
I just always wanted to be a nurse. | 0:02:50 | 0:02:52 | |
I used to look after my dolls, | 0:02:52 | 0:02:53 | |
in cardboard boxes round the bedroom. | 0:02:53 | 0:02:56 | |
And take care of them, put them to bed every night, | 0:02:56 | 0:02:59 | |
and they always got better of course. | 0:02:59 | 0:03:01 | |
I was a schoolgirl, completing my A-levels in June, | 0:03:02 | 0:03:06 | |
and I went to nursing in August. | 0:03:06 | 0:03:09 | |
The lady who interviewed me said to me, "Why do you want to do nursing?" | 0:03:09 | 0:03:13 | |
I said, "I don't want to do nursing!" | 0:03:13 | 0:03:16 | |
And she said, "That's the first honest answer we've had all day. | 0:03:16 | 0:03:20 | |
"You'll do well." | 0:03:20 | 0:03:22 | |
I was born into a very evangelical family, and it was very restricting | 0:03:22 | 0:03:28 | |
when I was a teenager, and I thought, what can I do to get away from here? | 0:03:28 | 0:03:32 | |
I decided, I'll do nursing. | 0:03:32 | 0:03:35 | |
And I was only swapping one strict regime for another. | 0:03:35 | 0:03:39 | |
When I started nursing, we had come... | 0:03:45 | 0:03:48 | |
A number of us in our class had come from the same background as myself, | 0:03:48 | 0:03:52 | |
a rural community, convent grammar schools, | 0:03:52 | 0:03:55 | |
and we came to Belfast and realised we were actually on the warfront! | 0:03:55 | 0:04:00 | |
SHOUTING, GUNSHOT | 0:04:00 | 0:04:02 | |
I'd never actually been to Belfast before | 0:04:06 | 0:04:08 | |
until I arrived on the Mater Hospital. So, it... | 0:04:08 | 0:04:11 | |
We were very, very unprepared for what we actually met. | 0:04:11 | 0:04:15 | |
I think I even wrote a wee...just a wee four-line poem, you know, | 0:04:15 | 0:04:19 | |
said, "I came from the country to Belfast | 0:04:19 | 0:04:22 | |
"A nurse I wanted to be | 0:04:22 | 0:04:24 | |
"I thought it would just be appendices | 0:04:24 | 0:04:26 | |
"Raw bullet wounds are all that I see." | 0:04:26 | 0:04:28 | |
I was 18 years of age and we...were not prepared. | 0:04:28 | 0:04:32 | |
We were totally oblivious, I think, to what we were going into. | 0:04:32 | 0:04:35 | |
And when we got to the hospital and got settled in the nurses' homes, | 0:04:35 | 0:04:39 | |
we were put right in the middle of it. | 0:04:39 | 0:04:42 | |
NEWSREEL: The Royal Victoria Hospital, Belfast. | 0:04:42 | 0:04:44 | |
A teaching hospital with a war right on its doorstep. | 0:04:44 | 0:04:47 | |
Medical research was never nearer to a battlefront. | 0:04:47 | 0:04:51 | |
We were quite restricted. | 0:04:51 | 0:04:53 | |
I mean, they expected us to be in at ten o'clock at night, | 0:04:53 | 0:04:56 | |
and I think we got one late pass a week. | 0:04:56 | 0:04:59 | |
And I guess that was how, you know, | 0:04:59 | 0:05:01 | |
they managed 40-odd 17-to-18-year-olds. | 0:05:01 | 0:05:06 | |
The first week we were there, that Sunday evening, | 0:05:06 | 0:05:10 | |
I was wakened by gunfire outside the window in the room | 0:05:10 | 0:05:14 | |
that I slept in in the nurses' home. | 0:05:14 | 0:05:17 | |
GUNFIRE | 0:05:17 | 0:05:19 | |
I certainly recall, as well, | 0:05:20 | 0:05:22 | |
being told that we should always keep two walls between ourselves | 0:05:22 | 0:05:26 | |
and the gunmen, or the bullets, or whatever was going on outside. | 0:05:26 | 0:05:30 | |
My third week on the wards was the bombing of the Red Lion, | 0:05:33 | 0:05:37 | |
and sheer panic then when I heard that there had been a bomb | 0:05:37 | 0:05:40 | |
and that we were going to be getting casualties in, | 0:05:40 | 0:05:43 | |
because all I really knew was how to make a bed. | 0:05:43 | 0:05:47 | |
In the anaesthetic room was a student nurse, | 0:05:49 | 0:05:52 | |
and she would have only been out of school about 18 months. | 0:05:52 | 0:05:56 | |
When the patient was anaesthetised and we removed his jeans, | 0:05:57 | 0:06:01 | |
his lower leg was just held on at that stage by skin and sinew | 0:06:01 | 0:06:05 | |
and shredded muscle. | 0:06:05 | 0:06:06 | |
I take a look out of the corner of my eye to see how the nurse | 0:06:08 | 0:06:12 | |
is taking this, because we are used to these horrors, | 0:06:12 | 0:06:16 | |
er, but she wasn't. | 0:06:16 | 0:06:19 | |
Er, she was only a slip of a girl. | 0:06:19 | 0:06:21 | |
She never flinched. | 0:06:24 | 0:06:27 | |
And... | 0:06:27 | 0:06:29 | |
I never saw one who did flinch. | 0:06:29 | 0:06:31 | |
You were expected to just get on with so many jobs, | 0:06:33 | 0:06:36 | |
and many of those jobs were not things that you were prepared for. | 0:06:36 | 0:06:40 | |
You were only 18, 19 years of age, | 0:06:40 | 0:06:42 | |
and even being left with somebody who's been blown up | 0:06:42 | 0:06:46 | |
and is in bits and pieces and, you know, who's...who's dying, | 0:06:46 | 0:06:50 | |
er, you weren't prepared for that. | 0:06:50 | 0:06:53 | |
Nobody thought how to prepare you for those sort of things. | 0:06:53 | 0:06:57 | |
It wasn't all doom and gloom - we had laughs, as well. | 0:07:00 | 0:07:02 | |
You know, there were funny things happened. | 0:07:02 | 0:07:05 | |
It was from one extreme to the other, | 0:07:05 | 0:07:07 | |
from the bad things to the funny things, you know. | 0:07:07 | 0:07:10 | |
We would have chatted and laughed | 0:07:16 | 0:07:18 | |
and thought it was quite a fun thing lying on the corridor floors, | 0:07:18 | 0:07:22 | |
I guess, and one of the girls in our group, Anne - she was called Anne - | 0:07:22 | 0:07:27 | |
Anne had lovely long dark hair, | 0:07:27 | 0:07:29 | |
and she always put rollers in her hair at night, and the rollers | 0:07:29 | 0:07:34 | |
were kept in place by a pair of knickers, | 0:07:34 | 0:07:36 | |
which was the hairnet of the day, | 0:07:36 | 0:07:39 | |
and Anne would say, "Now, if I get shot, | 0:07:39 | 0:07:43 | |
"please take the knickers off my head before the ambulance comes!" | 0:07:43 | 0:07:47 | |
Dr Grey was the senior consultant in intensive care | 0:07:49 | 0:07:52 | |
and an amazing character. We'd admitted a well-known paramilitary. | 0:07:52 | 0:07:56 | |
This person had been stabbed in the chest | 0:07:56 | 0:07:58 | |
and he had this enormous tattoo of King Billy on his chest. | 0:07:58 | 0:08:03 | |
An Indian registrar had repaired his diaphragm and his lungs | 0:08:05 | 0:08:09 | |
and whatever else needed repaired and sewn him up beautifully, | 0:08:09 | 0:08:12 | |
but Bill Grey went over to look at him | 0:08:12 | 0:08:14 | |
and came back and he says to me, | 0:08:14 | 0:08:16 | |
"Well, Eleanor, Kumar's done a good job on King Billy, | 0:08:16 | 0:08:19 | |
"he's got those sutures really well done right up his chest." | 0:08:19 | 0:08:22 | |
And right enough it was beautifully sewn, | 0:08:22 | 0:08:25 | |
because he had the pattern with the tattoo. | 0:08:25 | 0:08:27 | |
So at times, you know, you had to laugh at things like that | 0:08:27 | 0:08:30 | |
when they happened, because there were so many sad stories, | 0:08:30 | 0:08:33 | |
so many distressing things happened, that there had to be | 0:08:33 | 0:08:37 | |
the fun aspect of it, as well, and Dr Grey brought that perspective. | 0:08:37 | 0:08:40 | |
First of all it was the smell. | 0:08:59 | 0:09:02 | |
The dirt and the remains of the clothing. | 0:09:02 | 0:09:05 | |
But then you sorted through the possessions, | 0:09:07 | 0:09:10 | |
the ordinary things that people carry. | 0:09:10 | 0:09:13 | |
Wallets and photographs of their children in their wallets and | 0:09:13 | 0:09:16 | |
their house keys and... | 0:09:16 | 0:09:18 | |
just everything that you would have in your pockets. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:23 | |
The experienced staff in casualty, the experienced nurses | 0:09:25 | 0:09:30 | |
and doctors, et cetera, were required for those who would live, | 0:09:30 | 0:09:36 | |
and so those of us with less knowledge and skill | 0:09:36 | 0:09:40 | |
were with those...for whom life was not going to continue - | 0:09:40 | 0:09:47 | |
well, for very much longer, anyway. | 0:09:47 | 0:09:50 | |
And so what you had to be was just BE. | 0:09:51 | 0:09:57 | |
Just BE with another human being. | 0:09:57 | 0:09:59 | |
I was on night duty and the sister in the recovery room just said, | 0:10:02 | 0:10:08 | |
"Will you stay with this man?" | 0:10:08 | 0:10:10 | |
He was a young black soldier, | 0:10:10 | 0:10:13 | |
blown up in a bomb very close to the hospital, | 0:10:13 | 0:10:16 | |
but this man was really big, strong-looking, erm... | 0:10:16 | 0:10:22 | |
obviously handsome-looking. | 0:10:22 | 0:10:24 | |
Wasn't really had a lot of injuries on the outside, but... | 0:10:24 | 0:10:27 | |
inside he was obviously very badly injured and wasn't going to live. | 0:10:27 | 0:10:31 | |
Staying with him, talking to him, just washing him, | 0:10:33 | 0:10:36 | |
speaking into his ear, just making him feel that he's not alone | 0:10:36 | 0:10:39 | |
until he died, but it was something I'll never, ever forget. | 0:10:39 | 0:10:43 | |
I was asked to scrub up and to prepare a trolley for amputation | 0:10:48 | 0:10:53 | |
of a leg, or for both legs, and I just still remember somebody just | 0:10:53 | 0:10:57 | |
pushing me back and I realised that the person had died on the table, | 0:10:57 | 0:11:02 | |
and there was absolute silence in the theatre | 0:11:02 | 0:11:06 | |
and all I can remember are sobs from... | 0:11:06 | 0:11:09 | |
A colleague outside was a member of the security forces | 0:11:09 | 0:11:13 | |
and there was a guard outside, and just the sobs. | 0:11:13 | 0:11:17 | |
Erm, obviously had been told that his colleague had died on the table. | 0:11:17 | 0:11:21 | |
I don't even remember anything after that again, | 0:11:21 | 0:11:24 | |
but I've always remembered my first scrub. | 0:11:24 | 0:11:27 | |
A was always full of relatives screaming | 0:11:32 | 0:11:35 | |
and looking for their injured and... | 0:11:35 | 0:11:38 | |
But relatives found out where the lifts to theatre were | 0:11:38 | 0:11:42 | |
and some arrived up as an orderly brought a patient. | 0:11:42 | 0:11:46 | |
They banged on the window. | 0:11:47 | 0:11:49 | |
They had discovered by then that clothes had to be kept, | 0:11:49 | 0:11:53 | |
so they wanted the clothes, but we couldn't do anything about that. | 0:11:53 | 0:11:59 | |
We had been instructed... If the patient was a suspect | 0:11:59 | 0:12:04 | |
we were instructed specially what to do with these clothes. | 0:12:04 | 0:12:08 | |
And so we couldn't... We had to keep them. | 0:12:09 | 0:12:13 | |
For forensic examination. | 0:12:13 | 0:12:15 | |
All right now. | 0:12:24 | 0:12:26 | |
I always remember a young soldier coming in, who had lost a leg, | 0:12:26 | 0:12:29 | |
was coming up from intensive care and I was a student in theatres. | 0:12:29 | 0:12:32 | |
And he was coming in, and it struck me that | 0:12:32 | 0:12:35 | |
he and I were the same age - exactly, by the day. | 0:12:35 | 0:12:38 | |
Er, and he was coming in, erm, unconscious, | 0:12:38 | 0:12:42 | |
er, but really coming in to ascertain whether | 0:12:42 | 0:12:45 | |
he would be able to retain his other limb, and sadly he wasn't. | 0:12:45 | 0:12:49 | |
And as a student I was given that leg | 0:12:49 | 0:12:52 | |
to carry up to the door for the porter to lift, | 0:12:52 | 0:12:55 | |
and I always remember that, because it was the sheer weight of it. | 0:12:55 | 0:12:59 | |
There was I as a 19-year-old, | 0:13:01 | 0:13:03 | |
you know, celebrating... life and all that entailed, | 0:13:03 | 0:13:06 | |
and there he was as a 19-year-old with... | 0:13:06 | 0:13:09 | |
minus two limbs and also with quite horrific shrapnel wounds. | 0:13:09 | 0:13:13 | |
There was a sense that when you were confronted, | 0:13:13 | 0:13:15 | |
particularly by people your own age, | 0:13:15 | 0:13:17 | |
and particularly in relation to the impact that that was having - | 0:13:17 | 0:13:21 | |
you could see that that would have on them - I mean, | 0:13:21 | 0:13:23 | |
that was profoundly difficult. | 0:13:23 | 0:13:25 | |
I think we supported each other. | 0:13:37 | 0:13:39 | |
We didn't have the mechanisms, the support mechanisms in terms of | 0:13:39 | 0:13:42 | |
professional counselling or sitting down at debrief sessions. | 0:13:42 | 0:13:47 | |
Erm, we didn't have systems of reporting serious adverse | 0:13:47 | 0:13:50 | |
incidents, anything like that, | 0:13:50 | 0:13:51 | |
so that's a whole industry now which wasn't there then. | 0:13:51 | 0:13:55 | |
There was no point in waiting on the morning or waiting at night | 0:13:58 | 0:14:02 | |
to tell some of your colleagues about the terrible day you had, | 0:14:02 | 0:14:05 | |
cos they were probably going to have an equally terrible day. | 0:14:05 | 0:14:08 | |
And, you know, it would be lost the middle of the telling, | 0:14:08 | 0:14:12 | |
so you didn't bother. | 0:14:12 | 0:14:14 | |
There really wasn't a formal mechanism, but I have to say, | 0:14:16 | 0:14:20 | |
looking back, tremendous camaraderie. | 0:14:20 | 0:14:23 | |
When you come off shift, | 0:14:23 | 0:14:25 | |
you laughed and cried and talked and had a drink or went out, | 0:14:25 | 0:14:29 | |
but you did it together. | 0:14:29 | 0:14:31 | |
So your listening ear and your point of refuge, really, | 0:14:31 | 0:14:35 | |
were those around you. | 0:14:35 | 0:14:36 | |
We made silly jokes, you know. That kept us going. | 0:14:38 | 0:14:42 | |
But I think we were so busy we hadn't much time to think. | 0:14:42 | 0:14:47 | |
You usually kept going, until you went home | 0:14:47 | 0:14:50 | |
but one of the worst I've ever seen, | 0:14:50 | 0:14:52 | |
I didn't get home till about two in the morning, | 0:14:52 | 0:14:55 | |
and my mother, who was alive at that time, had waited up. | 0:14:55 | 0:14:59 | |
But she didn't say "How are you?" or anything, | 0:14:59 | 0:15:02 | |
she said, "The dog has died." | 0:15:02 | 0:15:04 | |
And that was that - I couldn't hold back... | 0:15:04 | 0:15:08 | |
any longer. | 0:15:08 | 0:15:09 | |
By and large, people were left to get on. | 0:15:24 | 0:15:27 | |
They were left when they were discharged from hospital | 0:15:27 | 0:15:30 | |
with minimal support, and you see now people who still carry | 0:15:30 | 0:15:34 | |
the very heavy burden of being bereaved or injured | 0:15:34 | 0:15:37 | |
in the '70s, '80s, '90s, | 0:15:37 | 0:15:39 | |
and that that hasn't left them. | 0:15:39 | 0:15:42 | |
The lack of counselling and support is astounding. | 0:15:42 | 0:15:46 | |
But yet, with the reality of when one incident quickly followed another, | 0:15:46 | 0:15:50 | |
people really didn't have time to consider and | 0:15:50 | 0:15:53 | |
to think about the impact, because there was that adrenaline rush. | 0:15:53 | 0:15:57 | |
All right? | 0:15:57 | 0:15:58 | |
You keep your head up there. | 0:15:58 | 0:16:00 | |
The psychological aspects, and psychiatric medicine of course, | 0:16:00 | 0:16:04 | |
is always neglected, and one patient I looked after in the 1970s, | 0:16:04 | 0:16:10 | |
er, later went public and praised his physical care | 0:16:10 | 0:16:14 | |
but he criticised his psychological care, | 0:16:14 | 0:16:18 | |
and, giving us his perspective, he had said | 0:16:18 | 0:16:21 | |
we had looked after his physical injuries but we had not looked after | 0:16:21 | 0:16:25 | |
his psychology, and that gave him 40 years of trouble, | 0:16:25 | 0:16:29 | |
including marriage breakdown, so, no, | 0:16:29 | 0:16:32 | |
there wasn't great psychological support for the nurses - | 0:16:32 | 0:16:36 | |
they made their own psychological support - but at times there | 0:16:36 | 0:16:40 | |
wasn't great psychological support for the patients either. | 0:16:40 | 0:16:43 | |
I was blown up in the Glen Inn in Glengormley in August 28, 1976, | 0:16:47 | 0:16:55 | |
so I'm now twice as long on this planet without my legs | 0:16:55 | 0:16:59 | |
as...I had been with them. | 0:16:59 | 0:17:02 | |
I think your first intervention | 0:17:02 | 0:17:04 | |
was to advise me in and around medication, | 0:17:04 | 0:17:07 | |
and, you know, "You don't have to swallow all these pills." | 0:17:07 | 0:17:10 | |
I must have had a handful. Did I really say that?! | 0:17:10 | 0:17:13 | |
Well, no, that's not verbatim! That's not verbatim! | 0:17:13 | 0:17:16 | |
But it was to advise me, you know, "If you don't need the Valium, | 0:17:16 | 0:17:20 | |
"if you don't need the distalgesic, if you don't need this, | 0:17:20 | 0:17:23 | |
"then take it when you actually are in need of it." | 0:17:23 | 0:17:26 | |
The questions that I was seeking answers to | 0:17:26 | 0:17:28 | |
you determined were going to be answered in this book The Survivors | 0:17:28 | 0:17:32 | |
written by, er, Telegraph journalist Alf McCreary. Yeah. | 0:17:32 | 0:17:35 | |
And that was risky, I suppose, giving that to me. | 0:17:35 | 0:17:38 | |
It was more instinct than anything else, | 0:17:38 | 0:17:40 | |
that I thought this book might be useful to you. | 0:17:40 | 0:17:44 | |
You reached out with both arms, seized the book... I remember. | 0:17:44 | 0:17:48 | |
..said, "Survivors! I'm a survivor." | 0:17:48 | 0:17:53 | |
Yeah. I think that is... | 0:17:53 | 0:17:56 | |
You know, that language is much better than "victim". | 0:17:56 | 0:17:59 | |
I felt blessed in some way to at least be alive, | 0:17:59 | 0:18:02 | |
although without legs, | 0:18:02 | 0:18:03 | |
and when you're 18 year old you are looking ahead, | 0:18:03 | 0:18:07 | |
but, as I say, the answers weren't forthcoming, | 0:18:07 | 0:18:10 | |
and it was this lack of counselling, | 0:18:10 | 0:18:12 | |
or lack of trying to address the emotional need | 0:18:12 | 0:18:16 | |
and psychological need, and pure frustration at not knowing | 0:18:16 | 0:18:19 | |
what...lay ahead and what challenges lay ahead, | 0:18:19 | 0:18:23 | |
so a survivor likes to know that | 0:18:23 | 0:18:25 | |
and in some way prepare for the journey ahead. Yeah. | 0:18:25 | 0:18:29 | |
And that... This really did give me the answers. | 0:18:29 | 0:18:32 | |
I'm sometimes asked, from the Troubles period, erm, | 0:18:32 | 0:18:37 | |
who do I admire most? | 0:18:37 | 0:18:40 | |
So, actually, the people I admire | 0:18:41 | 0:18:43 | |
most from the Troubles period are the patients. | 0:18:43 | 0:18:46 | |
I think it's a case of mutual respect. | 0:18:46 | 0:18:49 | |
Because without you guys, we would not have been here. | 0:18:49 | 0:18:52 | |
We were also learning through this process, this was very unique, and | 0:18:52 | 0:18:55 | |
some of the horrendous injuries that you were presented with were unique. | 0:18:55 | 0:18:59 | |
Our surgeons were learning, | 0:18:59 | 0:19:01 | |
but, you know, the surgeons did the work and came on the rounds. | 0:19:01 | 0:19:05 | |
The daily contact was with the nurses. | 0:19:05 | 0:19:07 | |
And it was they that fortified us in our journey. | 0:19:07 | 0:19:11 | |
We treated everybody the same, regardless of their background, | 0:19:22 | 0:19:26 | |
regardless of what they had done, | 0:19:26 | 0:19:28 | |
and at times we had both the perpetrator of the deed | 0:19:28 | 0:19:31 | |
and the victim, and the issue very often was keeping relatives apart | 0:19:31 | 0:19:35 | |
and keeping the peace between relatives. | 0:19:35 | 0:19:38 | |
That quite often was the difficult aspect of all of this. | 0:19:38 | 0:19:42 | |
We had one occasion where we had one person who'd been shot | 0:19:42 | 0:19:46 | |
and another person who'd shot them. | 0:19:46 | 0:19:48 | |
Suddenly this woman appeared with these huge bunches of flowers - | 0:19:48 | 0:19:51 | |
those were the days that we had flowers on the ward. | 0:19:51 | 0:19:54 | |
I said, "Where are you going with all the flowers?" | 0:19:54 | 0:19:56 | |
She said, "I don't know. He's asked me to bring these flowers." | 0:19:56 | 0:20:00 | |
And what he did was he put all the flowers at the bottom of his bed, | 0:20:00 | 0:20:04 | |
on the bed table, so he couldn't see the man opposite. | 0:20:04 | 0:20:07 | |
It was very interesting and sometimes quite tense | 0:20:09 | 0:20:12 | |
but sometimes very, very, very funny. | 0:20:12 | 0:20:15 | |
Erm, in a six-bedded bay with perhaps two people | 0:20:15 | 0:20:18 | |
from the opposite sides, and they were kind of stuck | 0:20:18 | 0:20:21 | |
to their beds for several weeks till they'd recovered. | 0:20:21 | 0:20:25 | |
And over the course of a few weeks, er, | 0:20:25 | 0:20:27 | |
the craic was mighty between these youngsters. | 0:20:27 | 0:20:30 | |
Not all was, erm, repeatable... SHE LAUGHS | 0:20:30 | 0:20:33 | |
Quite irreverent, | 0:20:33 | 0:20:35 | |
but, erm, they did have a bit of a bond by the time they left. | 0:20:35 | 0:20:40 | |
There's no opt-out clause in nursing, so no matter who comes | 0:20:41 | 0:20:44 | |
swinging through those doors, they're your patient. | 0:20:44 | 0:20:47 | |
And you do your best for that person. | 0:20:47 | 0:20:50 | |
But I'm not sure it was ALL left outside the door. | 0:20:51 | 0:20:54 | |
Patients were never left wanting, you know, | 0:20:56 | 0:21:00 | |
but there was the odd occasion | 0:21:00 | 0:21:02 | |
when somebody might have made a remark to you | 0:21:02 | 0:21:04 | |
and it was a very pointed remark that you couldn't help think | 0:21:04 | 0:21:08 | |
that they didn't think the same way as you did. | 0:21:08 | 0:21:10 | |
But at the end of the day you would have known that, you know? | 0:21:10 | 0:21:14 | |
Religion plays such an important role here, | 0:21:14 | 0:21:16 | |
you'd be stupid if you didn't. | 0:21:16 | 0:21:18 | |
I'll always remember looking after a young man who had been | 0:21:20 | 0:21:23 | |
involved in an incident, and he was blinded, | 0:21:23 | 0:21:26 | |
and he was being specialled. | 0:21:26 | 0:21:28 | |
And I was the nurse looking after him. | 0:21:28 | 0:21:31 | |
And, er, he was very frightened. | 0:21:31 | 0:21:33 | |
And I read the paper to him, during the night. | 0:21:33 | 0:21:36 | |
And I couldn't read the first four pages, | 0:21:36 | 0:21:38 | |
because it was about what he had done. | 0:21:38 | 0:21:40 | |
And one of the nurses said to me afterwards, | 0:21:41 | 0:21:43 | |
"I couldn't have done that, I would have refused." | 0:21:43 | 0:21:45 | |
And I thought afterwards, was it right that she would refuse, | 0:21:45 | 0:21:48 | |
if she couldn't give him the best care, or was it wrong? | 0:21:48 | 0:21:51 | |
Because we were under an oath, really, to look after everybody, | 0:21:51 | 0:21:55 | |
regardless of who or what they were or what they had been involved in. | 0:21:55 | 0:21:59 | |
That was a difficult road to travel sometimes. | 0:22:02 | 0:22:05 | |
When in actual fact the person who you were caring for | 0:22:05 | 0:22:09 | |
was the person who you knew was responsible | 0:22:09 | 0:22:13 | |
for death and destruction. | 0:22:13 | 0:22:15 | |
But you knew you couldn't linger on that. | 0:22:16 | 0:22:19 | |
NEWSREEL: Armed security forces occupy the wards of the hospital | 0:22:31 | 0:22:35 | |
when their wounded colleagues are under treatment - | 0:22:35 | 0:22:37 | |
a constant reminder of the Troubles as the day-to-day healing goes on. | 0:22:37 | 0:22:42 | |
The hospital I worked in, | 0:22:43 | 0:22:45 | |
at the front gate you had the, er, republican paramilitaries, | 0:22:45 | 0:22:51 | |
and at the back gate you had the loyalist paramilitaries. | 0:22:51 | 0:22:54 | |
And then sandwiched in between, er, was a British Army base, | 0:22:56 | 0:23:02 | |
actually within the hospital perimeter. | 0:23:02 | 0:23:04 | |
NEWSREEL: No-one can know what the next ambulance will bring | 0:23:04 | 0:23:07 | |
to a hospital in the front line | 0:23:07 | 0:23:09 | |
or whether guerrilla warfare will again | 0:23:09 | 0:23:11 | |
invade the grounds of the Royal, but the Army makes its presence felt. | 0:23:11 | 0:23:15 | |
The war started the minute you went outside the hospital door, | 0:23:17 | 0:23:20 | |
so the war was only the width of a brick away. | 0:23:20 | 0:23:24 | |
Er, it was on the other side of the front door, | 0:23:24 | 0:23:26 | |
and the front door was always open. | 0:23:26 | 0:23:29 | |
Without thinking too hard, | 0:23:29 | 0:23:31 | |
I can think of, er, six people who were shot dead | 0:23:31 | 0:23:36 | |
within the hospital precincts, | 0:23:36 | 0:23:38 | |
er, four by the IRA and two by the Army. | 0:23:38 | 0:23:42 | |
The Royal was very much seen as a legitimate target | 0:23:43 | 0:23:47 | |
and gunmen got onto the roof of the nurses' home, the hospital. | 0:23:47 | 0:23:53 | |
The school of dentistry was one that they quite often seemed to get onto. | 0:23:53 | 0:23:58 | |
And they used, erm... | 0:23:58 | 0:24:01 | |
you know, the roofs of the buildings to shoot at the Army | 0:24:01 | 0:24:05 | |
and police who were in and around the hospital at that time. | 0:24:05 | 0:24:10 | |
So I guess, for us, it was pretty normal from the beginning. | 0:24:10 | 0:24:15 | |
In one way it was normal enough on your ward to go | 0:24:17 | 0:24:20 | |
in and out through the bulletproof doors that were | 0:24:20 | 0:24:23 | |
guarded by police 24 hours a day, and in another, usually at night-time, | 0:24:23 | 0:24:29 | |
maybe in the wee small hours, you'd think, this is a bit odd, you know. | 0:24:29 | 0:24:33 | |
If anybody did come in here, you'd be in the middle of it, | 0:24:33 | 0:24:36 | |
because that's what you were there to do. | 0:24:36 | 0:24:39 | |
I don't think it was ever such a dreadful thought | 0:24:39 | 0:24:42 | |
that I thought, "I'm not going to go into work," | 0:24:42 | 0:24:44 | |
but every now and again it did strike you. | 0:24:44 | 0:24:47 | |
The Mater itself was in the front line | 0:24:55 | 0:24:58 | |
because we were located where we were | 0:24:58 | 0:25:00 | |
and we were "a Catholic hospital", | 0:25:00 | 0:25:03 | |
and there were a number of staff targeted at various times. | 0:25:03 | 0:25:07 | |
We had a consultant's son who was killed and we had... | 0:25:07 | 0:25:11 | |
another consultant who was shot at | 0:25:11 | 0:25:13 | |
while he was leading his children to school. | 0:25:13 | 0:25:16 | |
His son was killed and another son was injured | 0:25:16 | 0:25:19 | |
and he himself was injured. | 0:25:19 | 0:25:21 | |
We had various members of staff who had been attacked at various stages, | 0:25:21 | 0:25:25 | |
so we did feel very vulnerable where we actually were. | 0:25:25 | 0:25:28 | |
And the violence came to the hospital itself | 0:25:29 | 0:25:33 | |
when, er, Maire Drumm was shot. | 0:25:33 | 0:25:35 | |
NEWSREEL: Mrs Drumm was standing talking to fellow patients | 0:25:35 | 0:25:38 | |
in the ward when the gunmen arrived. | 0:25:38 | 0:25:40 | |
She had been recuperating | 0:25:40 | 0:25:41 | |
after receiving treatment for blindness in one eye, | 0:25:41 | 0:25:44 | |
a condition which led to her giving up | 0:25:44 | 0:25:47 | |
the vice presidency of Provisional Sinn Fein a few weeks ago. | 0:25:47 | 0:25:50 | |
The killers bluffed their way | 0:25:50 | 0:25:51 | |
into the hospital by pretending to be medical staff. | 0:25:51 | 0:25:54 | |
When they got to the ward entrance, they opened fire on her 12 times. | 0:25:54 | 0:25:58 | |
We went up to a ward where the ward had been sprayed with bullets. | 0:25:58 | 0:26:03 | |
Maire Drumm was in a bed bleeding to death | 0:26:03 | 0:26:06 | |
and two other patients had been injured. | 0:26:06 | 0:26:08 | |
And the police arrived, the Army arrived. | 0:26:08 | 0:26:11 | |
The consultants, who all lived quite locally, all arrived | 0:26:11 | 0:26:14 | |
into the hospital and we knew that Maire Drumm at that stage was dead. | 0:26:14 | 0:26:18 | |
We had tried to resuscitate her and my uniform got covered in blood, | 0:26:18 | 0:26:23 | |
but the fear in the hospital that night was palpable. | 0:26:23 | 0:26:27 | |
I actually probably took two to three days to actually | 0:26:29 | 0:26:33 | |
recover from this trauma that... | 0:26:33 | 0:26:35 | |
And yet, as nurses, we were never given counselling, | 0:26:35 | 0:26:38 | |
we were never debriefed, you just went on to the next patient, | 0:26:38 | 0:26:42 | |
you went on with what you had to do. | 0:26:42 | 0:26:44 | |
I think sometimes people expect that when you work in a hospital | 0:26:54 | 0:26:58 | |
that's where everything is going to be seen | 0:26:58 | 0:27:00 | |
and that's the seat of the action. | 0:27:00 | 0:27:02 | |
I discovered when I did my community placement in north Belfast | 0:27:02 | 0:27:06 | |
that that, in fact, wasn't the case. | 0:27:06 | 0:27:09 | |
I was never afraid, never afraid, because people were all very | 0:27:10 | 0:27:15 | |
kind to each other and very helpful in those days. | 0:27:15 | 0:27:18 | |
And...no, I never was afraid. | 0:27:18 | 0:27:21 | |
The only time I was afraid | 0:27:21 | 0:27:23 | |
was when I was in crossfire, | 0:27:23 | 0:27:26 | |
as that happened, or maybe near an explosion. | 0:27:26 | 0:27:31 | |
Or driving along and being in a traffic jam | 0:27:31 | 0:27:34 | |
or sitting at the traffic lights and looking at somebody in a car | 0:27:34 | 0:27:39 | |
or a van or whatever, wondering if there's a bomb in there. | 0:27:39 | 0:27:42 | |
We were in a little lady's house, | 0:27:43 | 0:27:45 | |
she needed her leg dressings renewed, | 0:27:45 | 0:27:48 | |
and we were in with this lady and I was on my knees, | 0:27:48 | 0:27:51 | |
doing the dressings, | 0:27:51 | 0:27:52 | |
and the district nurse was supervising me, and then | 0:27:52 | 0:27:55 | |
all of a sudden there was this nightmare noise out the back, | 0:27:55 | 0:27:59 | |
and the scullery door, as it was called then, burst open | 0:27:59 | 0:28:02 | |
and in came a...hooded gunman. | 0:28:02 | 0:28:05 | |
And he raced past us, through the living room and out into the hall, | 0:28:05 | 0:28:10 | |
making his escape to...through the front door into the street. | 0:28:10 | 0:28:16 | |
So for a nanosecond absolutely nothing happened. | 0:28:16 | 0:28:19 | |
I looked at the district nurse | 0:28:19 | 0:28:21 | |
and she looked at me and we both looked at the wee lady | 0:28:21 | 0:28:23 | |
and she sort of went, "Sure, what can you do, love?" | 0:28:23 | 0:28:26 | |
Bombay Street was a very distressing experience. | 0:28:32 | 0:28:35 | |
It did look like a scene from Gone With The Wind. | 0:28:35 | 0:28:39 | |
Anyone being burnt out of their home is a very distressing thing, | 0:28:39 | 0:28:42 | |
and certainly distressing for the people involved, and I think | 0:28:42 | 0:28:46 | |
it's quite, quite dreadful that that should happen to anyone. | 0:28:46 | 0:28:50 | |
And there they were moving and all their furniture | 0:28:50 | 0:28:53 | |
and their belongings on... on trucks and...top of cars | 0:28:53 | 0:28:57 | |
and they were moving to a hall or a school, just to...to be safe. | 0:28:57 | 0:29:04 | |
NEWSREEL: All day Friday and Saturday | 0:29:04 | 0:29:06 | |
the evacuees from the Catholic ghettos on the Falls and Ardoyne | 0:29:06 | 0:29:09 | |
went north to Andersonstown. | 0:29:09 | 0:29:11 | |
There, six church halls and schools were mobilised for the emergency. | 0:29:11 | 0:29:15 | |
They had centres, they had night shelters. | 0:29:17 | 0:29:20 | |
This was after Bombay Street | 0:29:20 | 0:29:22 | |
and people were scared to stay in their homes, | 0:29:22 | 0:29:25 | |
and they'd provided night shelters, and I was asked to supervise there. | 0:29:25 | 0:29:29 | |
That was a very frightening night, | 0:29:29 | 0:29:31 | |
because I'd taken no first aid with me and then I discovered | 0:29:31 | 0:29:36 | |
I had two very pregnant women with me and no kits of any kind. | 0:29:36 | 0:29:42 | |
I was very alarmed when I looked at the pregnant lady, | 0:29:44 | 0:29:47 | |
particularly the one nearly at term. | 0:29:47 | 0:29:49 | |
She and I had only a pair of nail scissors and my handbag | 0:29:49 | 0:29:53 | |
and no equipment whatsoever... | 0:29:53 | 0:29:55 | |
no first-aid equipment whatsoever. | 0:29:55 | 0:29:58 | |
So I... | 0:29:58 | 0:29:59 | |
There was a lot of men outside and I went out to ask about a telephone. | 0:29:59 | 0:30:05 | |
Er, they were erecting a barricade of burnt-out vehicles | 0:30:05 | 0:30:09 | |
and any debris that there was. | 0:30:09 | 0:30:12 | |
And I said, "Do you know where the nearest telephone is?" | 0:30:12 | 0:30:15 | |
They said, "No idea." | 0:30:15 | 0:30:16 | |
And then I said, | 0:30:18 | 0:30:19 | |
"And how would I get an ambulance in the middle of the night | 0:30:19 | 0:30:22 | |
"if I needed to get somebody to one of the Royal Group of Hospitals?" | 0:30:22 | 0:30:26 | |
And he said, "No vehicle will come up this way tonight. | 0:30:26 | 0:30:30 | |
"We're going to ensure... This is for their security reasons." | 0:30:30 | 0:30:34 | |
And he said, "Just do the best you can." | 0:30:34 | 0:30:40 | |
Yes, with my nail scissors and my handbag, it was a bit... | 0:30:40 | 0:30:43 | |
It was a tall order. | 0:30:43 | 0:30:45 | |
I was on a visit to the Divis Tower, and I had to visit a patient, | 0:30:50 | 0:30:55 | |
probably on the eighth or tenth floor, little old lady, | 0:30:55 | 0:30:57 | |
and she always gave the nurse a packet of ginger snaps. | 0:30:57 | 0:31:02 | |
So I did my treatment in there and got out and got the lift. | 0:31:03 | 0:31:07 | |
And instead of the lift going down, the lift went up. | 0:31:07 | 0:31:11 | |
And there was a soldier, army presence, on the top of the tower. | 0:31:11 | 0:31:15 | |
And all these soldiers got in the lift, | 0:31:15 | 0:31:19 | |
and that was all right, they were pleasant and very, very nice. | 0:31:19 | 0:31:22 | |
And then the lift proceeded down to the very bottom, | 0:31:22 | 0:31:25 | |
and when we got down there, the door wouldn't open - | 0:31:25 | 0:31:28 | |
too many in the lift. | 0:31:28 | 0:31:29 | |
And this little, young soldier, a young lad, lost it. | 0:31:29 | 0:31:35 | |
He turned his rifle up and he attacked | 0:31:35 | 0:31:37 | |
the light at the top of the lift and said, "We're going to be killed. | 0:31:37 | 0:31:41 | |
"This is an ambush, we're all going to be murdered here." | 0:31:41 | 0:31:44 | |
The man in charge of them proceeded to unarm the other fellas. | 0:31:44 | 0:31:49 | |
Then he said, when he had this all done, he said to me, | 0:31:49 | 0:31:52 | |
"Can we have one of your ginger snaps?" | 0:31:52 | 0:31:56 | |
So, yeah, I said, "Certainly." | 0:31:56 | 0:31:59 | |
So we all had ginger snaps as we waited to be rescued. | 0:31:59 | 0:32:02 | |
The worst injuries were those which were the punishment shootings. | 0:32:15 | 0:32:19 | |
And these were young, teenage boys, or boys in their early 20s, | 0:32:19 | 0:32:23 | |
and they would've been shot through | 0:32:23 | 0:32:24 | |
the joints, either through their ankles, | 0:32:24 | 0:32:26 | |
through the knees, through their elbows. | 0:32:26 | 0:32:29 | |
And on some occasions, they would have had six injuries, | 0:32:29 | 0:32:32 | |
both ankles, both knees and both elbows. | 0:32:32 | 0:32:36 | |
What's really, really sad about it, is that the mothers of some | 0:32:42 | 0:32:45 | |
of the young boys went and got themselves a new pair of jeans, | 0:32:45 | 0:32:48 | |
so if they would ever end up in hospital | 0:32:48 | 0:32:51 | |
they wouldn't be disgraced or embarrassed by wearing old jeans. | 0:32:51 | 0:32:54 | |
And I remember one time, I was... | 0:32:54 | 0:32:56 | |
Whenever somebody has been shot, | 0:32:56 | 0:32:59 | |
you have to cut off their trousers, just to check for exit wounds | 0:32:59 | 0:33:03 | |
and this young fellow was 14, and he says, | 0:33:03 | 0:33:04 | |
"Please, don't cut my trousers, my mum only | 0:33:04 | 0:33:07 | |
"bought them me this morning for coming in here, | 0:33:07 | 0:33:09 | |
"please don't cut them." | 0:33:09 | 0:33:10 | |
If you shoot through the calf of the leg, | 0:33:14 | 0:33:17 | |
chances are you won't hit any major vessels | 0:33:17 | 0:33:20 | |
or anything like that, but there were one or two, | 0:33:20 | 0:33:23 | |
or maybe a good few more, | 0:33:23 | 0:33:25 | |
that went through the artery and they may have survived that night, | 0:33:25 | 0:33:28 | |
but you knew they would lose the leg eventually, | 0:33:28 | 0:33:31 | |
because they would have lost nerves in the leg, | 0:33:31 | 0:33:34 | |
might not have been able to walk again and certainly the blood | 0:33:34 | 0:33:37 | |
supply would have been compromised, there's no doubt about that. | 0:33:37 | 0:33:42 | |
On some occasions, | 0:33:42 | 0:33:44 | |
although they'd been shot through their alleged knee, | 0:33:44 | 0:33:47 | |
it was actually through the thigh, and the bone... And the bullet | 0:33:47 | 0:33:51 | |
had then bounced off the bone and ended up in the abdomen somewhere, | 0:33:51 | 0:33:54 | |
resulting in a very serious injury. | 0:33:54 | 0:33:56 | |
SIRENS WAIL | 0:33:56 | 0:33:58 | |
We got a call to say that an ambulance was sent | 0:33:58 | 0:34:01 | |
out for a gunshot wound. | 0:34:01 | 0:34:02 | |
When they arrived at the spot, they were told to wait | 0:34:02 | 0:34:05 | |
and then the shooting happened. | 0:34:05 | 0:34:07 | |
The guy was shot. | 0:34:07 | 0:34:09 | |
GUNSHOT | 0:34:09 | 0:34:10 | |
And he came limping out to the ambulance and got in the ambulance. | 0:34:10 | 0:34:13 | |
The guy says, "Let's have a look," and he says, "You don't have | 0:34:13 | 0:34:16 | |
"to look," he says. He says, "I had bell-bottoms, | 0:34:16 | 0:34:19 | |
"they didn't even touch my leg." They looked. | 0:34:19 | 0:34:22 | |
The bullet went through the side of his trousers. | 0:34:22 | 0:34:24 | |
So the word got back to whoever's doing the punishment beatings and | 0:34:25 | 0:34:29 | |
next thing came out was there had to be a rule that trouser legs | 0:34:29 | 0:34:33 | |
had to be pulled up above the knee before they would do any shots. | 0:34:33 | 0:34:37 | |
So it was terrible. | 0:34:37 | 0:34:38 | |
Kneecappings, they were serious. | 0:34:41 | 0:34:43 | |
And the way it was reported at the time, you would've thought it | 0:34:43 | 0:34:46 | |
was just par for the course. | 0:34:46 | 0:34:47 | |
But it certainly was not, | 0:34:47 | 0:34:49 | |
and certainly not for the young fella that it happened to. | 0:34:49 | 0:34:52 | |
He was probably likely to have a lame leg for the rest | 0:34:52 | 0:34:55 | |
of his life, and he'd be lucky if that's all he had. | 0:34:55 | 0:34:58 | |
Bloody Sunday was the one event that left the biggest | 0:35:15 | 0:35:18 | |
mark on my life and I even can cry when I think about it to this day. | 0:35:18 | 0:35:23 | |
It was the saddest day of my life. | 0:35:23 | 0:35:26 | |
And one I will never forget. | 0:35:26 | 0:35:29 | |
My father's family business was a shop | 0:35:31 | 0:35:35 | |
and it was on Russell Street, where most of Bloody Sunday happened. | 0:35:35 | 0:35:39 | |
His sister was the last to work | 0:35:40 | 0:35:43 | |
the shop, and on Bloody Sunday, | 0:35:43 | 0:35:45 | |
I was very aware of her, so I went to see about her. | 0:35:45 | 0:35:49 | |
I went into the apartment and looked out on to Russell Street, | 0:35:52 | 0:35:56 | |
and I could see bodies lying dead, obviously dead. Totally uncovered. | 0:35:56 | 0:36:01 | |
And the first thing I thought was, the dignity, | 0:36:01 | 0:36:05 | |
the undignified part of it. | 0:36:05 | 0:36:06 | |
Because we were always taught the dignity of the patient is paramount. | 0:36:06 | 0:36:11 | |
SCREAMING | 0:36:11 | 0:36:13 | |
I put my aunt in front of me and I thought, | 0:36:13 | 0:36:15 | |
"They're not going to shoot her, an old woman." | 0:36:15 | 0:36:18 | |
And I crossed the street and covered those bodies with the blankets. | 0:36:18 | 0:36:21 | |
And going back, I kept saying to the soldiers, "Why did you do it?" | 0:36:23 | 0:36:28 | |
"Why did you do it?" But they didn't answer. | 0:36:28 | 0:36:31 | |
Then ambulances came and we put people in, | 0:36:34 | 0:36:37 | |
injured people, into the ambulance. | 0:36:37 | 0:36:39 | |
And I climbed in the front and went to the hospital with the ambulance | 0:36:39 | 0:36:42 | |
and worked all night. | 0:36:42 | 0:36:43 | |
Well, I went down to the casualty now, it was total chaos to me. | 0:36:45 | 0:36:49 | |
But I was passing through, the operating theatre | 0:36:49 | 0:36:51 | |
was on the seventh floor, but there was all these people and there was | 0:36:51 | 0:36:57 | |
patients sitting up against pillars, there was no room for them and that. | 0:36:57 | 0:37:01 | |
I remember all that total chaos. | 0:37:01 | 0:37:03 | |
This has left a huge mark, | 0:37:07 | 0:37:09 | |
and I think it's forgotten a lot of the time. | 0:37:09 | 0:37:11 | |
There was 13 dead, but there was also 14, | 0:37:11 | 0:37:14 | |
if I remember rightly, injured. | 0:37:14 | 0:37:17 | |
You know, those people had to get treated. | 0:37:17 | 0:37:21 | |
I'm not saying it was... It was just one of those things that... | 0:37:21 | 0:37:24 | |
Nobody expected what happened that day to happen, | 0:37:24 | 0:37:27 | |
it was not on anybody's radar. | 0:37:27 | 0:37:30 | |
SIRENS WAIL | 0:37:35 | 0:37:38 | |
Well, the Abercorn was a Saturday, I was on duty, | 0:37:40 | 0:37:43 | |
and we got this message to say that this explosion had occurred | 0:37:43 | 0:37:48 | |
and there were many casualties. | 0:37:48 | 0:37:50 | |
It was just absolute chaos, initially, because there were | 0:37:54 | 0:37:57 | |
so many people came in, there were so many horrendous injuries. | 0:37:57 | 0:38:01 | |
A lot of them were amputations, legs and arms that had just disappeared. | 0:38:03 | 0:38:08 | |
And I remember one woman was lying with the leg of a chair, | 0:38:08 | 0:38:14 | |
a dining room chair, right through her leg. | 0:38:14 | 0:38:18 | |
SIRENS WAIL | 0:38:18 | 0:38:22 | |
We could hear the ambulances coming, | 0:38:22 | 0:38:25 | |
all the sirens going. | 0:38:25 | 0:38:27 | |
And the more sirens you could hear, | 0:38:27 | 0:38:29 | |
the more you knew it was really going to be bad. | 0:38:29 | 0:38:32 | |
When they didn't turn off their klaxons, | 0:38:32 | 0:38:34 | |
you knew it was serious, that the ambulance men were in a state. | 0:38:34 | 0:38:39 | |
I heard this noise and I could hear the screams of the girls | 0:38:39 | 0:38:44 | |
inside the ambulances over the sound of the klaxons. | 0:38:44 | 0:38:48 | |
Then the other thing about the Abercorn was the fact | 0:38:51 | 0:38:54 | |
that they were mostly girls of our own age. We were all young. | 0:38:54 | 0:38:58 | |
The Abercorn was a place... | 0:38:58 | 0:38:59 | |
The first place to be bombed, in my experience, | 0:38:59 | 0:39:02 | |
where I might have been, if I'd been off duty. | 0:39:02 | 0:39:05 | |
Not only did that make it personal, but also the fact that one of our | 0:39:05 | 0:39:09 | |
own staff members, a radiographer from our own department | 0:39:09 | 0:39:15 | |
was killed in it. | 0:39:15 | 0:39:16 | |
And the next time I saw her, I was holding her remains in my hands. | 0:39:16 | 0:39:20 | |
It was a lovely day. A lovely, summer day. | 0:39:25 | 0:39:29 | |
And the baby clinic was very busy, because it was child assessment, | 0:39:29 | 0:39:32 | |
as well, and there was a great buzz in the place. | 0:39:32 | 0:39:35 | |
And then at three o'clock... EXPLOSION | 0:39:35 | 0:39:39 | |
..a bomb went off. | 0:39:39 | 0:39:41 | |
EXPLOSION | 0:39:49 | 0:39:51 | |
And then there was the second and the third... | 0:39:51 | 0:39:54 | |
EXPLOSION | 0:39:54 | 0:39:57 | |
..and the forth and the fifth and six. | 0:39:57 | 0:40:00 | |
And it was just chaos. | 0:40:02 | 0:40:04 | |
EXPLOSION | 0:40:04 | 0:40:06 | |
I went up to the Royal after that. | 0:40:10 | 0:40:13 | |
Casualty was full, there were people crying, | 0:40:13 | 0:40:16 | |
there were people in pain, there were relatives coming up. | 0:40:16 | 0:40:19 | |
There were ambulances still coming in. | 0:40:19 | 0:40:22 | |
Everybody was working flat out and I ended up, | 0:40:24 | 0:40:28 | |
because there were body parts coming in... | 0:40:28 | 0:40:32 | |
..which were just like a pound of meat, frankly, | 0:40:34 | 0:40:37 | |
and they were being put on a trolley. | 0:40:37 | 0:40:41 | |
I just kept looking at this trolley and thinking, "That is somebody. | 0:40:44 | 0:40:49 | |
"That is somebody there." | 0:40:49 | 0:40:51 | |
And I know it probably sounds very, very stupid, | 0:40:51 | 0:40:56 | |
but I just got really defensive about this trolley and I thought, | 0:40:56 | 0:41:01 | |
"I have to mind this trolley." And I covered it. | 0:41:01 | 0:41:05 | |
To me, it was like a naked patient. | 0:41:05 | 0:41:07 | |
And I got very angry. | 0:41:09 | 0:41:11 | |
I stood there and I thought, "How dare anybody do this? | 0:41:11 | 0:41:16 | |
"I wish they could see what they have done." | 0:41:16 | 0:41:20 | |
I just wish they could have seen the distress, the anguish, | 0:41:20 | 0:41:28 | |
the results, which was my trolley. | 0:41:28 | 0:41:31 | |
And for what? | 0:41:32 | 0:41:34 | |
Monday morning, back in the clinic, three days after Bloody Friday. | 0:41:39 | 0:41:44 | |
One mother lost her husband, blown up at the bus station | 0:41:44 | 0:41:48 | |
coming home from work, identified by his hand. | 0:41:48 | 0:41:52 | |
That big coffin for one hand. | 0:41:52 | 0:41:56 | |
One of the things that I taught myself at the beginning | 0:42:02 | 0:42:05 | |
of working in intensive care, | 0:42:05 | 0:42:07 | |
I would never lie to a patient. | 0:42:07 | 0:42:10 | |
I would always tell the truth. | 0:42:10 | 0:42:12 | |
And when someone said to me, | 0:42:13 | 0:42:15 | |
as did one of the patients from the Abercorn, "Why are my legs so sore? | 0:42:15 | 0:42:23 | |
"When will they feel better?" | 0:42:23 | 0:42:25 | |
It was a Sunday afternoon, it was very peaceful and I had gone in | 0:42:26 | 0:42:31 | |
to relieve the nurse for tea | 0:42:31 | 0:42:34 | |
and to look after the patient and I then felt... | 0:42:34 | 0:42:39 | |
She asked me, she wanted the information | 0:42:39 | 0:42:42 | |
and it was my job to tell her that she had lost both legs and an arm. | 0:42:42 | 0:42:49 | |
The first memories I have of the nursing staff was in Ward 17. | 0:42:55 | 0:43:00 | |
I asked this nurse - I think she was a student nurse who was passing - | 0:43:00 | 0:43:03 | |
"Where am I?" | 0:43:03 | 0:43:05 | |
And she said, "You're in the Royal Victoria Hospital. | 0:43:05 | 0:43:12 | |
"You've been in a bomb explosion." | 0:43:12 | 0:43:14 | |
So I think I just went back to sleep again. | 0:43:14 | 0:43:17 | |
I think I was asking that question every day! | 0:43:17 | 0:43:19 | |
The reality started to set in and I didn't realise I'd lost my legs. | 0:43:22 | 0:43:27 | |
You didn't? Cos you still have that sensation. Yes, of course. | 0:43:27 | 0:43:31 | |
My arm was in plaster so I just thought, | 0:43:31 | 0:43:34 | |
"Oh, something has happened to my arm." | 0:43:34 | 0:43:36 | |
I didn't really know the extent of my injuries at all | 0:43:36 | 0:43:39 | |
until the nurses actually told me. | 0:43:39 | 0:43:44 | |
And have you any idea how long that was after the bomb? | 0:43:44 | 0:43:47 | |
I think it could be about a week or so, I'm not really sure. | 0:43:47 | 0:43:53 | |
You know, days just tend to sort of... | 0:43:53 | 0:43:56 | |
Did you remember that Rosaleen had been with you? Yes, I did, uh-huh. | 0:43:56 | 0:44:00 | |
And did you want to see Rosaleen? | 0:44:00 | 0:44:03 | |
Well, when I heard what had happened to her, yes. | 0:44:03 | 0:44:06 | |
A nurse said to me one day, "Your sister's photograph | 0:44:06 | 0:44:11 | |
"is in the paper," and I couldn't understand why! Oh, right! | 0:44:11 | 0:44:17 | |
I said to Mummy when she came in, | 0:44:17 | 0:44:19 | |
"Rosaleen's photograph was in the paper," and she said, "Yes." | 0:44:19 | 0:44:22 | |
I said, "I want to see it." | 0:44:22 | 0:44:23 | |
I couldn't understand why she was in the paper. | 0:44:23 | 0:44:27 | |
And Mummy brought the newspaper article in | 0:44:27 | 0:44:30 | |
and I think she probably thought I wouldn't read the smallprint. Right. | 0:44:30 | 0:44:35 | |
Cos I was still on heavy drugs at that time | 0:44:35 | 0:44:37 | |
and that's how I found out about Rosaleen. Right. And... | 0:44:37 | 0:44:42 | |
Oh, it was devastating. | 0:44:42 | 0:44:45 | |
But even now, I have lost both legs, | 0:44:45 | 0:44:47 | |
but she lost both legs and an arm. Yes. | 0:44:47 | 0:44:49 | |
Although she did eventually walk, it was too much, you know what I mean? | 0:44:49 | 0:44:56 | |
After a while, it was much easier just to be in a wheelchair. Yes. | 0:44:56 | 0:45:00 | |
And do you find that, too? Now that I've aged... | 0:45:00 | 0:45:03 | |
How long ago was that, 1972? Yes. | 0:45:04 | 0:45:08 | |
Yes, I find it a lot easier. | 0:45:08 | 0:45:10 | |
Yeah, yeah. | 0:45:10 | 0:45:12 | |
It's really important to remember that every person counted. | 0:45:30 | 0:45:37 | |
When I talk about a person, I'm back in that room. I can see the person. | 0:45:38 | 0:45:46 | |
I can remember my feelings in that room. | 0:45:46 | 0:45:50 | |
Some incidents were distressing, there's no doubt about that. | 0:45:54 | 0:45:58 | |
I remember one girl, she was shot in the neck | 0:45:58 | 0:46:00 | |
and was paralysed as soon as she came in. | 0:46:00 | 0:46:03 | |
She'd been singing at a gospel meeting in East Belfast | 0:46:03 | 0:46:06 | |
and a gunman came up to the window of the car | 0:46:06 | 0:46:08 | |
and she put the window down and he shot her and I was with her | 0:46:08 | 0:46:10 | |
when she died three weeks later and she had a huge impact on us. | 0:46:10 | 0:46:15 | |
I remember that very well. | 0:46:15 | 0:46:17 | |
One of the first wee boys that would have been brought in shot dead, | 0:46:20 | 0:46:23 | |
you know, a wee fair-haired fella, it was so sad. | 0:46:23 | 0:46:27 | |
Now, he was taken into A and the three lads that brought him in, | 0:46:27 | 0:46:34 | |
one of them was shot later, a few days later. | 0:46:34 | 0:46:38 | |
I remember that young fella's name still and I can still see him. | 0:46:38 | 0:46:41 | |
We got the news there'd been a shooting on the Ormeau Road | 0:46:47 | 0:46:50 | |
and they weren't sure at first how many casualties | 0:46:50 | 0:46:54 | |
and the ambulance came in | 0:46:54 | 0:46:55 | |
and there's a boy there and whenever we took them into the trauma unit, | 0:46:55 | 0:47:00 | |
it was my job to stand and talk to them and hold his hand. | 0:47:00 | 0:47:04 | |
So there was all this madness going on in the room, | 0:47:04 | 0:47:07 | |
everyone was trying so hard to keep that boy alive | 0:47:07 | 0:47:09 | |
and he says to me, "Don't leave me," and... | 0:47:09 | 0:47:15 | |
Sorry, stop. | 0:47:16 | 0:47:18 | |
But I want to say that there was so much hope | 0:47:20 | 0:47:24 | |
and fear in his eyes that day, of that young boy. | 0:47:24 | 0:47:27 | |
He didn't want to die. | 0:47:27 | 0:47:28 | |
There was an incident that had happened and it involved the Army. | 0:47:32 | 0:47:37 | |
I'd never seen anything like it | 0:47:37 | 0:47:39 | |
and they were working very hard to save a young soldier's life. | 0:47:39 | 0:47:43 | |
As I turned round, I saw another trolley | 0:47:43 | 0:47:46 | |
and, on the other trolley, there was a sheet covering the body | 0:47:46 | 0:47:52 | |
and the only thing that I could see were the black boots. | 0:47:52 | 0:47:55 | |
He obviously was proud of his uniform | 0:47:57 | 0:48:01 | |
because his boots were so shiny. | 0:48:01 | 0:48:04 | |
And that was the end of his day. His day ended so differently from mine. | 0:48:07 | 0:48:12 | |
And he had no choice. | 0:48:12 | 0:48:13 | |
One day, two young policemen were going up | 0:48:16 | 0:48:19 | |
to change over in Rosemount Barracks | 0:48:19 | 0:48:23 | |
and they were ambushed at Helen Street | 0:48:23 | 0:48:26 | |
and they were both brought in dead and I always got the worst one, | 0:48:26 | 0:48:32 | |
but the two were dead that day | 0:48:32 | 0:48:34 | |
and I still have their wee pictures in my purse, you know, | 0:48:34 | 0:48:38 | |
two young fellas, 19 and 26. It was sad. | 0:48:38 | 0:48:40 | |
One was married and one was getting married. | 0:48:40 | 0:48:44 | |
In my early days on night duty, a young girl got shot | 0:48:47 | 0:48:52 | |
and her injuries were unsurvivable. | 0:48:52 | 0:48:56 | |
She was petite, blonde, fair skinned. | 0:48:58 | 0:49:02 | |
And she was shot, but she was still pretty. | 0:49:04 | 0:49:08 | |
And she was lying on the trolley, peaceful, | 0:49:09 | 0:49:14 | |
just like she was sleeping. | 0:49:14 | 0:49:15 | |
In the quietness of that resuscitation room, | 0:49:17 | 0:49:20 | |
I have time to sit and look at her | 0:49:20 | 0:49:23 | |
and think, and I thought, "What a waste." | 0:49:23 | 0:49:27 | |
Now, all the deaths were wastes, | 0:49:27 | 0:49:32 | |
but what benefit to anyone accrued from shooting that girl? | 0:49:32 | 0:49:40 | |
A baby had died in the nursery and the ward sister asked me | 0:49:46 | 0:49:51 | |
to go to the morgue with the parents. | 0:49:51 | 0:49:55 | |
I had never witnessed death before and I remember meeting the parents. | 0:49:55 | 0:50:00 | |
I didn't know what to say. | 0:50:00 | 0:50:03 | |
I went with them up the long corridor in the children's hospital, | 0:50:03 | 0:50:06 | |
out to a car, I got into the back seat and there was a white coffin. | 0:50:06 | 0:50:12 | |
I had never seen a coffin. We drove round to the morgue. | 0:50:12 | 0:50:17 | |
I had never been in the morgue. | 0:50:17 | 0:50:19 | |
Then the lid had to go on the coffin. | 0:50:22 | 0:50:24 | |
And the most awful experience, still with me today, | 0:50:26 | 0:50:28 | |
is the screwing down of that lid and that was my worst experience. | 0:50:28 | 0:50:33 | |
It'll never leave me. | 0:50:34 | 0:50:35 | |
A young man had been admitted. He was critically ill. | 0:50:42 | 0:50:45 | |
He had been attempting to put together | 0:50:47 | 0:50:49 | |
some sort of explosive device and it had gone off prematurely. | 0:50:49 | 0:50:53 | |
He was a torso with a head, you know? | 0:50:54 | 0:50:57 | |
His legs had gone, half his face, his ear, his eye, his arm... | 0:50:59 | 0:51:04 | |
And he was a year older than I was. | 0:51:06 | 0:51:09 | |
The lift doors opened at the bottom of the ward and a family came | 0:51:13 | 0:51:17 | |
and I knew this must be his family. | 0:51:17 | 0:51:19 | |
And I tried to explain that he was very badly injured | 0:51:23 | 0:51:27 | |
and his mother came up. | 0:51:27 | 0:51:31 | |
She just emitted this cry... | 0:51:31 | 0:51:35 | |
..and the only time I ever hear that again | 0:51:37 | 0:51:41 | |
is sometimes on wildlife programmes | 0:51:41 | 0:51:44 | |
where you hear this... real cry of pain. | 0:51:44 | 0:51:51 | |
It was shuddering. | 0:51:51 | 0:51:54 | |
And that was her son. | 0:51:55 | 0:51:57 | |
I often think of him. He left us living. | 0:51:58 | 0:52:02 | |
Erm... | 0:52:05 | 0:52:07 | |
I... I think of him. | 0:52:07 | 0:52:10 | |
From an early stage, it's been put into us, you know, | 0:52:23 | 0:52:26 | |
it's not OK to talk about distressing things. | 0:52:26 | 0:52:28 | |
But if we don't talk about them, they're never going to be processed. | 0:52:28 | 0:52:31 | |
But it's OK to feel bad after a traumatic event. | 0:52:31 | 0:52:35 | |
I give the example of bereavement counselling and, you know, | 0:52:35 | 0:52:38 | |
if somebody close to you dies, it's OK to feel bad | 0:52:38 | 0:52:42 | |
and you will feel bad for a period of time and once you get over | 0:52:42 | 0:52:45 | |
the anniversaries and different things, time will be a healer. | 0:52:45 | 0:52:48 | |
But, unfortunately, with post-traumatic stress, | 0:52:48 | 0:52:50 | |
time is not a healer. | 0:52:50 | 0:52:52 | |
26 people have been murdered | 0:52:52 | 0:52:54 | |
by a terrorist car bomb in Omagh, County Tyrone. | 0:52:54 | 0:52:58 | |
It is the worst single atrocity | 0:52:58 | 0:53:00 | |
in 30 years of violence in Northern Ireland. | 0:53:00 | 0:53:03 | |
The explosion, at ten past three in the afternoon, | 0:53:07 | 0:53:10 | |
ripped out the heart of a busy town packed with shoppers | 0:53:10 | 0:53:13 | |
and with people simply enjoying | 0:53:13 | 0:53:15 | |
the final day of Omagh's annual carnival... | 0:53:15 | 0:53:18 | |
'Well, I'm from Omagh, so the biggest event I worked with | 0:53:19 | 0:53:22 | |
'was obviously the Omagh bomb in 1998 and the aftermath of that.' | 0:53:22 | 0:53:27 | |
On the day, I ended up here | 0:53:28 | 0:53:30 | |
and I can best describe my role that day as a traffic warden. | 0:53:30 | 0:53:33 | |
It was absolutely pandemonium. | 0:53:33 | 0:53:35 | |
There was casualties coming through this door, | 0:53:35 | 0:53:37 | |
there were concerned relatives and friends coming through that door. | 0:53:37 | 0:53:40 | |
People were congregating around this corridor | 0:53:40 | 0:53:42 | |
cos it's the main thoroughfare to the hospital and we had to try | 0:53:42 | 0:53:45 | |
and keep the passage clear | 0:53:45 | 0:53:46 | |
because there was people being taken on trolleys up to the wards | 0:53:46 | 0:53:49 | |
where they needed further care and treatment and whatnot. | 0:53:49 | 0:53:52 | |
Now that we've moved on a number of years, | 0:54:02 | 0:54:04 | |
there's this view of, like, the Troubles have finished. | 0:54:04 | 0:54:07 | |
Everybody should be OK, | 0:54:07 | 0:54:09 | |
there should be no such thing as distress and whatnot. | 0:54:09 | 0:54:11 | |
'But then when things stop, | 0:54:14 | 0:54:15 | |
'all the things that have happened then just amalgamate | 0:54:15 | 0:54:18 | |
'and cause all sorts of distress, whether it's post-traumatic stress, | 0:54:18 | 0:54:21 | |
'depression and the big thing, alcohol, as well.' | 0:54:21 | 0:54:24 | |
And the big thing for me, I suppose, | 0:54:26 | 0:54:27 | |
is while somebody has witnessed - | 0:54:27 | 0:54:29 | |
and it might be one person or one person's been injured - | 0:54:29 | 0:54:32 | |
it's the ripple effect. | 0:54:32 | 0:54:34 | |
It's how many other people are then affected | 0:54:34 | 0:54:36 | |
by that person's distress, so it's not just one person. | 0:54:36 | 0:54:38 | |
You can multiply that by... I don't know what the number is. | 0:54:38 | 0:54:41 | |
One of the most, I suppose, distressing... | 0:54:43 | 0:54:45 | |
When I say it's distressing, | 0:54:45 | 0:54:46 | |
it's just an image that I had a long time. | 0:54:46 | 0:54:48 | |
It's a wee oldish woman, domestic, with her mop bucket | 0:54:48 | 0:54:53 | |
and she mopped constantly | 0:54:53 | 0:54:55 | |
and it seemed to me that it was never clearing. | 0:54:55 | 0:54:59 | |
But it's one of the images that I have of that day | 0:54:59 | 0:55:01 | |
and when I walk into the County now, there's still times | 0:55:01 | 0:55:03 | |
when I look up the corridor and I just have that image, | 0:55:03 | 0:55:06 | |
but thank God it's not as distressing as what it used to be. | 0:55:06 | 0:55:09 | |
My best days were not the big high days. | 0:55:17 | 0:55:20 | |
My best days were the days you felt, "Right, that made a difference. | 0:55:20 | 0:55:24 | |
"That worked," or, "I was a part of that." | 0:55:24 | 0:55:28 | |
We all felt proud of what we were doing. | 0:55:32 | 0:55:34 | |
Even though we were very young, we felt indispensible in many ways. | 0:55:34 | 0:55:39 | |
That gave a great sense of satisfaction, | 0:55:39 | 0:55:41 | |
that we were involved helping, and ongoing helping, | 0:55:41 | 0:55:44 | |
with those people and many of those people are still alive today | 0:55:44 | 0:55:48 | |
and can testify that those early days of the nursing care | 0:55:48 | 0:55:51 | |
in the hospital was what got them through. | 0:55:51 | 0:55:54 | |
I had great pride in my work. | 0:55:57 | 0:55:59 | |
I had great pride in the services - | 0:55:59 | 0:56:01 | |
particularly in the operating theatres - | 0:56:01 | 0:56:04 | |
and maybe adrenaline, too. | 0:56:04 | 0:56:06 | |
Is that wrong in saying that? | 0:56:06 | 0:56:07 | |
The adrenaline, particularly when you were learning new things. | 0:56:07 | 0:56:12 | |
I probably feel very proud | 0:56:18 | 0:56:20 | |
that I was part of what happened in that hospital. | 0:56:20 | 0:56:23 | |
I feel that we were actually... | 0:56:23 | 0:56:26 | |
Despite the fact there wasn't counselling | 0:56:26 | 0:56:28 | |
and despite the fact it was unsafe in some ways, | 0:56:28 | 0:56:31 | |
that we were in a very, very tight, warm community in that hospital | 0:56:31 | 0:56:35 | |
and I feel that that is missing today in many places | 0:56:35 | 0:56:39 | |
and it was a lovely place to work in. | 0:56:39 | 0:56:41 | |
Oh, it's formed me. It has formed me as a person. | 0:56:45 | 0:56:50 | |
I do not become overwhelmed. | 0:56:50 | 0:56:52 | |
People say, "Oh, you're great, | 0:56:54 | 0:56:56 | |
"you don't allow these things to affect you." | 0:56:56 | 0:56:59 | |
Well, of course they affect you! | 0:56:59 | 0:57:01 | |
Some people who don't know me might think that I'm quite aloof | 0:57:02 | 0:57:06 | |
or quite distant, but they don't know me. | 0:57:06 | 0:57:09 | |
It's because they've seen me with the starch in front of me. | 0:57:09 | 0:57:14 | |
It gives you great satisfaction. | 0:57:18 | 0:57:20 | |
A patient doesn't care what qualifications you have | 0:57:20 | 0:57:25 | |
and, in my day, A, when a patient would say to me, | 0:57:25 | 0:57:29 | |
"Thanks very much, nurse, you were kind to me," | 0:57:29 | 0:57:32 | |
and that just made my day. | 0:57:32 | 0:57:35 | |
It gave me friendship, first of all, knowledge, confidence | 0:57:40 | 0:57:45 | |
and a sense that we could cope | 0:57:45 | 0:57:51 | |
and that has come even into retirement. | 0:57:51 | 0:57:54 | |
You find yourself not worrying about doing things | 0:57:54 | 0:58:01 | |
because we've been through so much. | 0:58:01 | 0:58:04 | |
What's left to worry about, really? | 0:58:04 | 0:58:08 |