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This programme contains some scenes which some viewers may find upsetting | 0:00:02 | 0:00:07 | |
The Holocaust is one of the defining events of the 20th century. | 0:00:07 | 0:00:11 | |
There are many testimonies, many stories about those who survived | 0:00:15 | 0:00:20 | |
and those that died. | 0:00:20 | 0:00:23 | |
And every one is remarkable, | 0:00:24 | 0:00:27 | |
moving and unique. | 0:00:27 | 0:00:30 | |
Merci beaucoup, merci. | 0:00:33 | 0:00:35 | |
Freddie Knoller is one of the survivors. | 0:00:35 | 0:00:38 | |
At the age of 17 he was sent away from home to escape the Nazis | 0:00:38 | 0:00:43 | |
and for most of the war he remained one step ahead of them... | 0:00:43 | 0:00:47 | |
..but he was finally caught. | 0:00:51 | 0:00:55 | |
Just sit yourself down. | 0:00:58 | 0:01:00 | |
Now 93, Freddie lives in north London. | 0:01:02 | 0:01:06 | |
Excuse me, where's the camera? | 0:01:06 | 0:01:07 | |
Ah, yeah, I can see your face now, yeah, yeah, | 0:01:07 | 0:01:10 | |
because this is quite strong, that light. | 0:01:10 | 0:01:13 | |
What follows is his story - | 0:01:13 | 0:01:16 | |
his memories of what happened over 70 years ago. | 0:01:16 | 0:01:21 | |
Everyone happy? | 0:01:21 | 0:01:23 | |
Then we shall begin. | 0:01:23 | 0:01:24 | |
-NEWSREEL: -Vienna, even now, gayest city of central Europe | 0:01:36 | 0:01:39 | |
with an architectural beauty from the historic buildings | 0:01:39 | 0:01:42 | |
on the Ring Platz to the great modern flats. | 0:01:42 | 0:01:45 | |
My name is Freddie Knoller. | 0:01:49 | 0:01:51 | |
I was born in Vienna in 1921. | 0:01:51 | 0:01:55 | |
Our district was the second district of Vienna, the Leopoldstadt. | 0:01:58 | 0:02:04 | |
A lot of Jews lived in the second district, | 0:02:04 | 0:02:07 | |
but it was a mixed district. | 0:02:07 | 0:02:11 | |
We had neighbours, Christian neighbours. | 0:02:11 | 0:02:13 | |
In fact, in the school we were mixed with Christian children. | 0:02:13 | 0:02:17 | |
Near us there was a big funfair, the Prater. | 0:02:21 | 0:02:25 | |
And I remember our big dream was to go on the Riesenrad, | 0:02:36 | 0:02:42 | |
the wheel, the big wheel. | 0:02:42 | 0:02:45 | |
My father was an accountant, | 0:02:53 | 0:02:56 | |
or Buchhalter they called it in German, | 0:02:56 | 0:02:59 | |
and he was very strict with us. | 0:02:59 | 0:03:02 | |
My mother was terrific. | 0:03:06 | 0:03:09 | |
She gave us so much love and support. | 0:03:09 | 0:03:13 | |
Music was very important. | 0:03:22 | 0:03:25 | |
In the evening, the three of the brother Knollers, we'd play together. | 0:03:31 | 0:03:35 | |
We played for our own pleasure Viennese music, | 0:03:42 | 0:03:47 | |
The Blue Danube and, you know, all the popular music of that time. | 0:03:47 | 0:03:51 | |
The atmosphere was, in our house, was really wonderful | 0:03:54 | 0:03:57 | |
because of that music. | 0:03:57 | 0:03:59 | |
I was a happy-go-lucky boy. | 0:04:03 | 0:04:06 | |
I tried to stay away from serious things. | 0:04:07 | 0:04:12 | |
I enjoyed life. | 0:04:13 | 0:04:16 | |
Um... | 0:04:18 | 0:04:20 | |
life was quite fantastic for me during my childhood. | 0:04:20 | 0:04:26 | |
11th March was my brother Erich's birthday... | 0:04:40 | 0:04:43 | |
..and on that day we had festivities at home. | 0:04:45 | 0:04:50 | |
And we heard on the radio that German troops went into Austria. | 0:04:50 | 0:04:56 | |
-NEWSREEL: -All peoples around the globe were electrified | 0:04:56 | 0:05:00 | |
with Germany's lightning-like invasion of Austria. | 0:05:00 | 0:05:03 | |
From Innsbruck to Brenner Pass, Austrian independence was crushed | 0:05:06 | 0:05:10 | |
beneath the heels of goose-stepping Nazi legions. | 0:05:10 | 0:05:13 | |
CHEERING | 0:05:13 | 0:05:14 | |
Millions jammed country lanes and city streets | 0:05:15 | 0:05:17 | |
to gain a glimpse of the man who proclaimed himself a leader | 0:05:17 | 0:05:19 | |
of the peaceful country of seven million. | 0:05:19 | 0:05:22 | |
We were quite amazed | 0:05:22 | 0:05:25 | |
because we didn't think that Austria | 0:05:25 | 0:05:28 | |
would welcome Germany to come into Austria, but they did. | 0:05:28 | 0:05:32 | |
Austrians were very happy to have the Germans in their country. | 0:05:35 | 0:05:40 | |
We were told not to go to our school any more. | 0:05:44 | 0:05:48 | |
The Jews were only allowed to learn a trade. | 0:05:48 | 0:05:52 | |
My oldest brother Otto could not continue his medical studies. | 0:05:55 | 0:05:59 | |
And then we heard about the harassment of Jews in our district. | 0:06:04 | 0:06:10 | |
This is when I heard for the first time this shouting, | 0:06:14 | 0:06:18 | |
"Jude verrecke!" - Jews perish, | 0:06:18 | 0:06:22 | |
and it affected me terribly because somehow I said, | 0:06:22 | 0:06:27 | |
"How do they want me to perish? Why do they want me to perish?" | 0:06:27 | 0:06:31 | |
There was one event, actually, which I feel I should talk about. | 0:06:38 | 0:06:44 | |
Erm, I had a Christian friend. | 0:06:45 | 0:06:49 | |
After the Anschluss, I suddenly saw him in the Untere Augartenstrasse | 0:06:49 | 0:06:55 | |
in a Hitlerjugend's uniform. | 0:06:55 | 0:06:58 | |
And I saw him walking on the other side of the street | 0:06:59 | 0:07:03 | |
and I shouted, | 0:07:03 | 0:07:06 | |
"Kurtl, Kurtl, where are you going? Wo gehst du?" | 0:07:06 | 0:07:12 | |
He looked at me and he continued walking. | 0:07:13 | 0:07:17 | |
And this was the beginning of our life under the Nazis. | 0:07:19 | 0:07:24 | |
HITLER SPEECH IN GERMAN | 0:07:26 | 0:07:30 | |
-TRANSLATION: -Let our vow tonight be that every hour on every day | 0:07:32 | 0:07:36 | |
to think only of the people of the Reich and of the German nation. | 0:07:36 | 0:07:41 | |
-ALL: -Sieg heil. | 0:07:47 | 0:07:49 | |
Sieg heil. Sieg heil. | 0:07:49 | 0:07:52 | |
CROWD CHEERS | 0:07:52 | 0:07:56 | |
One day, I suddenly saw smoke coming out in the next street | 0:08:07 | 0:08:13 | |
where our synagogue was, the polnische Tempel. | 0:08:13 | 0:08:16 | |
Right away, I saw fire engines coming | 0:08:17 | 0:08:21 | |
but the Nazis in brown uniform wouldn't allow them to spray water | 0:08:21 | 0:08:26 | |
onto the synagogue, but they were only allowed to spray water | 0:08:26 | 0:08:29 | |
on the buildings adjoining the synagogue. | 0:08:29 | 0:08:33 | |
And when I came home and I told my parents what I've seen, | 0:08:33 | 0:08:38 | |
my father said, "You children, you cannot possibly live in a country | 0:08:38 | 0:08:42 | |
"where these things are happening. This is not for you. | 0:08:42 | 0:08:46 | |
"You have to live in different countries." | 0:08:46 | 0:08:49 | |
Then my oldest brother Otto was able to get himself a boat | 0:08:52 | 0:08:56 | |
to take him to England | 0:08:56 | 0:08:58 | |
and my brother Erich left for Florida. | 0:08:58 | 0:09:01 | |
I really felt, "Well, he's a lucky guy to go to America." | 0:09:03 | 0:09:09 | |
SHIP'S HORN BLARES | 0:09:09 | 0:09:10 | |
I was the youngest and my father said to me, | 0:09:13 | 0:09:17 | |
"Look, we have some friends in Belgium," | 0:09:17 | 0:09:20 | |
and he phoned these friends | 0:09:20 | 0:09:23 | |
and ask them, "Can I send our youngest boy, Freddie, over to you?" | 0:09:23 | 0:09:28 | |
And naturally they said, | 0:09:28 | 0:09:29 | |
"By all means, send Freddie over. We'll take care of him." | 0:09:29 | 0:09:32 | |
Before I left, I cuddled and kissed my mother | 0:09:34 | 0:09:39 | |
and I was crying. | 0:09:39 | 0:09:41 | |
TRAIN BELL RINGS | 0:09:41 | 0:09:42 | |
WHISTLE BLOWS | 0:09:47 | 0:09:49 | |
I had that fear to go into a different country | 0:09:53 | 0:09:57 | |
not knowing what is going to happen... | 0:09:57 | 0:10:00 | |
..going into a place where I have to make my own decisions all the time | 0:10:02 | 0:10:06 | |
rather than being told by my father what to do. | 0:10:06 | 0:10:09 | |
What actually happened, because so many refugees went into Belgium, | 0:10:34 | 0:10:39 | |
the Belgium government created refugee camps and I was put into | 0:10:39 | 0:10:45 | |
a refugee camp for children my own age, | 0:10:45 | 0:10:49 | |
Jewish children. | 0:10:49 | 0:10:51 | |
I must say it felt a little bit like a holiday for me. | 0:10:53 | 0:10:56 | |
In that camp, we had an orchestra. | 0:10:59 | 0:11:02 | |
My father sent me my cello | 0:11:03 | 0:11:07 | |
and for me to have my cello again | 0:11:07 | 0:11:12 | |
was something so wonderful | 0:11:12 | 0:11:15 | |
because this was part of my home | 0:11:15 | 0:11:18 | |
with my parents, with my brothers. | 0:11:18 | 0:11:22 | |
It brought back my memories from a wonderful time which I had at home. | 0:11:24 | 0:11:30 | |
RADIO PIPS | 0:11:41 | 0:11:42 | |
-NEWSREEL: -This is the national programme from London. | 0:11:50 | 0:11:52 | |
Please stand by for a very important announcement. | 0:11:52 | 0:11:56 | |
Germany has invaded Poland and has bombed many towns. | 0:11:56 | 0:12:00 | |
-WINSTON CHURCHILL: -I have to tell you now that no such undertaking | 0:12:00 | 0:12:04 | |
has been received and that, consequently, | 0:12:04 | 0:12:08 | |
this country is at war with Germany. | 0:12:08 | 0:12:12 | |
-AMERICAN NEWSREEL: -The leaders of Nazi Germany shifted | 0:12:12 | 0:12:14 | |
their war machine into high gear. | 0:12:14 | 0:12:18 | |
On May 10th, 1940, they blitzed | 0:12:18 | 0:12:19 | |
into Holland and Belgium. | 0:12:19 | 0:12:21 | |
There we were again under the Nazis. | 0:12:29 | 0:12:32 | |
What are we going to do now? | 0:12:32 | 0:12:34 | |
I, who spoke a bit of French, | 0:12:35 | 0:12:39 | |
I decided I wanted to go to France... | 0:12:39 | 0:12:43 | |
..because I read in these naughty books all about Paris, | 0:12:45 | 0:12:49 | |
about Montmartre, | 0:12:49 | 0:12:50 | |
about the Moulin Rouge with the half-naked dancers on the stage | 0:12:50 | 0:12:54 | |
and this is where I wanted to go. | 0:12:54 | 0:12:57 | |
So I made my way together with two other boys, | 0:12:57 | 0:13:01 | |
who also spoke a bit of French, towards the French border. | 0:13:01 | 0:13:04 | |
But I couldn't go with much luggage and I left the cello in the camp. | 0:13:06 | 0:13:12 | |
-NEWSREEL: -The Nazis are marching ahead at the fastest speed | 0:13:17 | 0:13:20 | |
a conquering army has moved in all history. | 0:13:20 | 0:13:22 | |
All roads in France are choked with slow-moving masses of refugees. | 0:13:22 | 0:13:25 | |
The roads were full with people just walking, | 0:13:30 | 0:13:33 | |
some with cars and some with bicycles. | 0:13:33 | 0:13:36 | |
And, while we were walking, actually, suddenly planes came, | 0:13:38 | 0:13:43 | |
German planes came, and started to shoot at us. | 0:13:43 | 0:13:48 | |
Some people jumped into the ditches to get away from it. | 0:13:52 | 0:13:57 | |
Lied down on the ground, shivering, | 0:13:58 | 0:14:03 | |
you know, erm, afraid, | 0:14:03 | 0:14:06 | |
hoping that nothing will happen to me. | 0:14:06 | 0:14:09 | |
Everybody just screaming | 0:14:16 | 0:14:18 | |
and mothers shouting to their children and children screaming. | 0:14:18 | 0:14:24 | |
It was a terrible situation. It was a... | 0:14:24 | 0:14:27 | |
Together with the gunshots from the aeroplanes, it was terrible. | 0:14:28 | 0:14:33 | |
I was there together with two other friends of mine. | 0:14:38 | 0:14:41 | |
We both, all three of us, we approached the French border | 0:14:41 | 0:14:47 | |
and in French I said, "Moi, je veux rentrer en France | 0:14:47 | 0:14:52 | |
"parce'que je ne pas rester avec Monsieur Hitler." | 0:14:52 | 0:14:55 | |
"I want to go into France | 0:14:55 | 0:14:57 | |
"because I don't want to stay with Mr Hitler in Germany." | 0:14:57 | 0:15:00 | |
So they asked me for my passport. | 0:15:02 | 0:15:06 | |
The Germans put on the front page of each passport, | 0:15:06 | 0:15:10 | |
they put a big red 'J' on it | 0:15:10 | 0:15:14 | |
to indicate that the owner of the passport is a Jew. | 0:15:14 | 0:15:17 | |
But as soon as they saw the German passport with stamps | 0:15:19 | 0:15:24 | |
with the swastika on it, right away they couldn't care less | 0:15:24 | 0:15:28 | |
whether I was a Jew or not, it was a German passport. | 0:15:28 | 0:15:31 | |
They arrested me and my two friends as an enemy alien. | 0:15:31 | 0:15:36 | |
-NEWSREEL: -The first block now on June 5th. | 0:15:53 | 0:15:56 | |
The French Resistance was determined but by June 8th, the left flank army | 0:15:56 | 0:15:59 | |
had been shattered and on June 9th the German main attack came. | 0:15:59 | 0:16:04 | |
Within two days, the German armoured and motorised divisions | 0:16:04 | 0:16:08 | |
roared out into the open terrain. | 0:16:08 | 0:16:10 | |
With this breakthrough, the issue of the Battle of France was decided. | 0:16:10 | 0:16:15 | |
Immediately, the real German Nazis were released from the camp | 0:16:18 | 0:16:22 | |
and only Jewish people stayed there. | 0:16:22 | 0:16:25 | |
The problem was, because of the little food that we had | 0:16:27 | 0:16:31 | |
and no washing facilities there, | 0:16:31 | 0:16:34 | |
people became ill and started to die of cholera. | 0:16:34 | 0:16:39 | |
And when the two friends who came with me to the camp | 0:16:39 | 0:16:43 | |
also contracted cholera, | 0:16:43 | 0:16:46 | |
I said to myself, "I don't want to die. I've got to get out of there." | 0:16:46 | 0:16:50 | |
And I went at night-time to the barbed wire | 0:16:50 | 0:16:55 | |
and I dug myself underneath the barbed wire | 0:16:55 | 0:16:59 | |
and escaped from that camp. | 0:16:59 | 0:17:02 | |
I made my way to meet my cousins in Gaillac. | 0:17:20 | 0:17:25 | |
It was actually a big farming community and as it was harvest-time, | 0:17:27 | 0:17:34 | |
the farmers needed help to take the harvest in. | 0:17:34 | 0:17:37 | |
They paid us very well and we worked very hard, | 0:17:40 | 0:17:44 | |
but I wasn't very happy really. | 0:17:44 | 0:17:49 | |
My plan was to go and find my own cello, | 0:17:56 | 0:18:02 | |
which I missed very much, | 0:18:02 | 0:18:05 | |
because the cello was part of my former life | 0:18:05 | 0:18:09 | |
with my family in Vienna. | 0:18:09 | 0:18:11 | |
Being the way I am, I did what I wanted to do. | 0:18:14 | 0:18:20 | |
When I saved up 100 francs, | 0:18:20 | 0:18:23 | |
I got myself some false identification papers. | 0:18:23 | 0:18:27 | |
So I became a Frenchman. | 0:18:27 | 0:18:30 | |
With 100 francs, I became Robert Metzner from Alsace-Lorraine. | 0:18:30 | 0:18:35 | |
My cousins were absolutely against it. | 0:18:38 | 0:18:43 | |
"Why do you want to go to Belgium again, | 0:18:43 | 0:18:46 | |
"which is occupied by the Germans? | 0:18:46 | 0:18:49 | |
"You are absolutely meshuga. You're mad." | 0:18:49 | 0:18:53 | |
Yeah, that was the Jewish word for being mad. | 0:18:53 | 0:18:57 | |
With these false papers, I made my way through the demarcation line | 0:19:01 | 0:19:07 | |
back to Belgium. | 0:19:07 | 0:19:08 | |
I went to our refugee camp | 0:19:14 | 0:19:17 | |
but the place was completely empty, um... | 0:19:17 | 0:19:24 | |
and nobody was there. | 0:19:24 | 0:19:27 | |
I went through the barracks where we lived | 0:19:27 | 0:19:30 | |
and I couldn't find any cello. | 0:19:30 | 0:19:33 | |
I didn't know what I should do. | 0:19:33 | 0:19:36 | |
But I think within myself, | 0:19:41 | 0:19:46 | |
I became quite cocky | 0:19:46 | 0:19:49 | |
and self-assured with these false documents, | 0:19:49 | 0:19:55 | |
which I can do whatever I want. | 0:19:55 | 0:19:59 | |
"I am not a Jew. | 0:19:59 | 0:20:01 | |
"I am Robert Metzner from Alsace-Lorraine | 0:20:01 | 0:20:06 | |
"and I want to go to Paris!" - that simple. | 0:20:06 | 0:20:10 | |
MUSIC: Paris Sera Toujours Paris by Maurice Chevalier | 0:20:10 | 0:20:12 | |
# Paris sera toujours Paris | 0:20:12 | 0:20:16 | |
# La plus belle ville du monde | 0:20:16 | 0:20:19 | |
# Malgre l'obscurite profonde | 0:20:19 | 0:20:23 | |
# Son eclat ne peut etre assombri. # | 0:20:23 | 0:20:26 | |
-AMERICAN NEWSREEL: -Paris, two short syllables but what a word it is. | 0:20:26 | 0:20:30 | |
Capital of France and the centre of French national life, | 0:20:30 | 0:20:33 | |
it is regarded by many as the most beautiful city in all the world. | 0:20:33 | 0:20:37 | |
So let's open wide the gates that we too may see the sights | 0:20:37 | 0:20:40 | |
and thrill to their fascination. | 0:20:40 | 0:20:43 | |
Arriving at the Gare du Nord, | 0:20:46 | 0:20:48 | |
it was just incredible. | 0:20:48 | 0:20:50 | |
The place was full of German soldiers. | 0:20:50 | 0:20:53 | |
Then I saw a big sign there - Metro - | 0:20:55 | 0:20:58 | |
and I went towards that sign | 0:20:58 | 0:21:01 | |
and I saw the map of Paris there | 0:21:01 | 0:21:05 | |
and I saw Place Pigalle. | 0:21:05 | 0:21:08 | |
I took the underground, got out at Place Pigalle. | 0:21:10 | 0:21:15 | |
I was fascinated. | 0:21:15 | 0:21:16 | |
This was the naughty district of Paris which I read so much about. | 0:21:16 | 0:21:21 | |
# Menilmontant | 0:21:23 | 0:21:25 | |
# Mais oui, madame | 0:21:25 | 0:21:27 | |
# C'est la que j'ai laisse mon coeur... # | 0:21:28 | 0:21:32 | |
I was standing in front of the Folies Bergere, | 0:21:33 | 0:21:36 | |
which was in Montmartre, | 0:21:36 | 0:21:38 | |
and I saw these photos with the half-naked dancers on the stage there | 0:21:38 | 0:21:44 | |
and I enjoyed myself. | 0:21:44 | 0:21:46 | |
# ..petite eglises | 0:21:46 | 0:21:48 | |
# Ou les mariages allaient gaiement | 0:21:50 | 0:21:54 | |
# Quand je revois ma vieille maison grise | 0:21:55 | 0:21:59 | |
# Meme la grise parle d'antan. # | 0:21:59 | 0:22:04 | |
One day, I saw a Mediterranean-looking fellow | 0:22:05 | 0:22:09 | |
talking to a group of German soldiers and I heard him say he was Cristos. | 0:22:09 | 0:22:16 | |
In German, he was telling him, | 0:22:16 | 0:22:18 | |
"Come with me, I will show you beautiful sights of Paris | 0:22:18 | 0:22:22 | |
"and to a beautiful place where lots of girls are there. | 0:22:22 | 0:22:25 | |
"You will have lots of fun and I saw them entering into a nightclub." | 0:22:25 | 0:22:30 | |
When I approached Cristos, I said to him, "Look here, I also speak German. | 0:22:32 | 0:22:37 | |
"I heard you talking to the German soldiers. | 0:22:37 | 0:22:41 | |
"Between you and me, I'm a little bit broke. | 0:22:41 | 0:22:44 | |
"Is there any possibility for me to join you | 0:22:44 | 0:22:47 | |
"and can we make a living?" | 0:22:47 | 0:22:50 | |
He said to me, "If you want to join me, I will introduce you to these | 0:22:50 | 0:22:55 | |
"nightclubs and whenever you take German soldiers into these places, | 0:22:55 | 0:23:01 | |
"they will pay commission for taking you there." | 0:23:01 | 0:23:04 | |
I said, "Oh, I would love to do that," | 0:23:04 | 0:23:08 | |
and we made an appointment for the next day to meet at Place Pigalle. | 0:23:08 | 0:23:13 | |
-BRITISH NEWSREEL: -Up with the curtain, | 0:23:16 | 0:23:18 | |
when Paris dances she lets herself go. | 0:23:18 | 0:23:20 | |
Ring-a-Ring-o-Roses is grand fun. | 0:23:20 | 0:23:23 | |
Would any of you boys like to join in? | 0:23:23 | 0:23:25 | |
# La musique negre et le jazz hot | 0:23:36 | 0:23:38 | |
# Sont deja de vieilles machines | 0:23:38 | 0:23:39 | |
# Maintenant pour etre dans la note | 0:23:39 | 0:23:41 | |
# Il faut du swing... # | 0:23:41 | 0:23:43 | |
Cristos introduced me to the music, | 0:23:43 | 0:23:47 | |
the dancers, jazz, which he loved. | 0:23:47 | 0:23:51 | |
I enjoyed doing the work that I was doing with the Germans. | 0:23:54 | 0:23:59 | |
It was an adventure for me to take them to the cabarets | 0:23:59 | 0:24:03 | |
and the brothels. | 0:24:03 | 0:24:05 | |
I met a lot of lovely people, | 0:24:08 | 0:24:12 | |
interesting people, actually. | 0:24:12 | 0:24:14 | |
I don't mean the German soldiers but the girls in the cabarets | 0:24:14 | 0:24:18 | |
and the people that I met with them, | 0:24:18 | 0:24:21 | |
the owners of the brothels, which I became very friendly with. | 0:24:21 | 0:24:25 | |
You know, half-naked dancers, all the girls, and I enjoyed | 0:24:26 | 0:24:30 | |
looking at it and enjoyed the music and it was very pleasant. | 0:24:30 | 0:24:35 | |
I must say we did earn quite a lot of money, actually, from these places. | 0:24:38 | 0:24:43 | |
In reality, I was really a pimp, but I didn't consider myself, er... | 0:24:46 | 0:24:52 | |
that this is a situation which I should be ashamed of | 0:24:52 | 0:24:57 | |
because, somehow, it saved my life what I did. | 0:24:57 | 0:25:00 | |
One day, I was standing on Place Pigalle | 0:25:18 | 0:25:22 | |
and I saw two civilians coming towards me. | 0:25:22 | 0:25:27 | |
Each one had a hat on and long black leather coat on | 0:25:28 | 0:25:33 | |
and I recognised them immediately. | 0:25:33 | 0:25:36 | |
These must be two people from the Gestapo. | 0:25:36 | 0:25:38 | |
And they asked me in French, | 0:25:40 | 0:25:43 | |
"Qu'est-ce que vous faites ici | 0:25:43 | 0:25:44 | |
"de parler avec les soldats allemands?" | 0:25:44 | 0:25:47 | |
"What are you doing here to talk to German soldiers all the time?" | 0:25:47 | 0:25:51 | |
So I answered them in German. | 0:25:52 | 0:25:55 | |
I said, "Oh, but I'm a guide. I'm a guide. | 0:25:55 | 0:25:59 | |
"I show these soldiers, who maybe come from the Russian front, I show | 0:25:59 | 0:26:05 | |
"them the beautiful sights of Paris, because they do not know Paris." | 0:26:05 | 0:26:10 | |
Immediately they took me in their car to Gestapo headquarters | 0:26:11 | 0:26:18 | |
and they started interrogating me. | 0:26:18 | 0:26:20 | |
Their office was a large room. | 0:26:25 | 0:26:28 | |
There was a big picture on the wall behind them which was Adolf Hitler. | 0:26:28 | 0:26:33 | |
The first question was, "Show me your papers." | 0:26:44 | 0:26:48 | |
I showed them my papers and, while he was talking, | 0:26:48 | 0:26:52 | |
I saw on his desk a plaster head of a human being... | 0:26:52 | 0:26:58 | |
..and he saw me looking at it. | 0:26:59 | 0:27:01 | |
He said, "Oh, this plaster head, that's a head of a Jew | 0:27:01 | 0:27:05 | |
"because we were taught how to recognise Jews | 0:27:05 | 0:27:11 | |
"by the structure of the head." | 0:27:11 | 0:27:14 | |
With that, he got up from his desk, went behind me | 0:27:14 | 0:27:19 | |
and he took my head between his two hands, tracing it. | 0:27:19 | 0:27:23 | |
He said, "Oh, yes." | 0:27:24 | 0:27:26 | |
I must say that I'm not ashamed to say, I wet my pants | 0:27:26 | 0:27:32 | |
because I was so sure that I will now be recognised as a Jew. | 0:27:32 | 0:27:37 | |
He said, "Oh, yes, oh, yes, I can see, I can see. | 0:27:37 | 0:27:42 | |
"Yes, I can see you come from good German background | 0:27:42 | 0:27:46 | |
"and I think you should be joining our organisation as an interpreter. | 0:27:46 | 0:27:52 | |
"You will be earning a lot of money | 0:27:52 | 0:27:55 | |
"and finally you will be working with your own people." | 0:27:55 | 0:27:59 | |
Well, I felt so amazed, laughing, | 0:27:59 | 0:28:04 | |
not... more or less laughing of myself, | 0:28:04 | 0:28:07 | |
said, "Wow, what an adventure did... to be able to get away | 0:28:07 | 0:28:12 | |
"from the Gestapo and they want me to work with them!" | 0:28:12 | 0:28:16 | |
Merci beaucoup. | 0:28:18 | 0:28:20 | |
'It never entered my mind to accept the offer because to be | 0:28:20 | 0:28:26 | |
'working with the Gestapo would have been so dangerous for me. | 0:28:26 | 0:28:31 | |
'I went back to my friend Cristos on Place Pigalle | 0:28:40 | 0:28:44 | |
and I said to him, "Look, I cannot work here any more | 0:28:44 | 0:28:47 | |
"because if they see me... they will just arrest me | 0:28:47 | 0:28:51 | |
"and deport me to a concentration camp." | 0:28:51 | 0:28:54 | |
He said, "Leave it with me, I have some ideas." | 0:28:54 | 0:28:56 | |
I went home and two days later Cristos introduced me | 0:28:56 | 0:29:01 | |
to a leader of the French Resistance. | 0:29:01 | 0:29:04 | |
The Resistance leader took me from Paris to a place called Figeac. | 0:29:26 | 0:29:32 | |
It is a town, a beautiful town, actually, | 0:29:33 | 0:29:37 | |
surrounded by very high mountains, | 0:29:37 | 0:29:42 | |
and in the mountains the Resistance groups were hiding. | 0:29:42 | 0:29:48 | |
We were really taught how to use guns. | 0:29:50 | 0:29:53 | |
We were taught how to put explosives together | 0:29:53 | 0:29:57 | |
and to do the things that I've never done in my life before. | 0:29:57 | 0:30:02 | |
It was...a great joy for me | 0:30:04 | 0:30:09 | |
to fight my enemies, instead of earning money from them. | 0:30:09 | 0:30:14 | |
RADIO: 'Ici Londres. | 0:30:16 | 0:30:18 | |
'Veuillez ecouter tout d'abord quelques messages personelles. | 0:30:18 | 0:30:22 | |
'L'etoile filante repassera...' | 0:30:22 | 0:30:24 | |
One day, we were told early in the morning to go together | 0:30:24 | 0:30:31 | |
to derail this troops train. | 0:30:31 | 0:30:34 | |
Our leader told us that the train should be arriving | 0:30:37 | 0:30:40 | |
somewhere around eleven, eleven-thirty in the morning. | 0:30:40 | 0:30:44 | |
And he made sure that | 0:30:48 | 0:30:51 | |
whenever we put explosives onto the railway line, | 0:30:51 | 0:30:56 | |
we hide it with leaves, grass coming out | 0:30:56 | 0:31:02 | |
so that it shouldn't be noticed immediately. | 0:31:02 | 0:31:05 | |
Then he told us that we should go and observe, | 0:31:10 | 0:31:15 | |
but quite far away, what is going to happen up in the hills. | 0:31:15 | 0:31:19 | |
The train came. | 0:31:22 | 0:31:25 | |
We heard the explosion. | 0:31:28 | 0:31:30 | |
We saw the first engine topple over on the side | 0:31:30 | 0:31:35 | |
and the whole thing just collapsed itself. | 0:31:35 | 0:31:39 | |
But we run away immediately back to our Resistance group. | 0:31:39 | 0:31:44 | |
I must say, it was wonderful. | 0:31:44 | 0:31:47 | |
I enjoyed this day...wonderfully. | 0:31:47 | 0:31:52 | |
I went to a certain bistro in Figeac. | 0:32:00 | 0:32:04 | |
I was beautifully received there by the owner of the bistro | 0:32:05 | 0:32:10 | |
and I became quite friends with them. | 0:32:10 | 0:32:12 | |
He actually introduced me to a lovely, beautiful girl, | 0:32:12 | 0:32:17 | |
a French girl called Jacqueline. | 0:32:17 | 0:32:20 | |
I fell in love with her because she was a very, very pretty girl | 0:32:20 | 0:32:26 | |
and, you know, I always love pretty girls. | 0:32:26 | 0:32:29 | |
Full hair, very buxomy, they say, yeah? | 0:32:31 | 0:32:36 | |
Erm, and, erm, she was always smiling | 0:32:36 | 0:32:42 | |
and laughing and making jokes. | 0:32:42 | 0:32:46 | |
It was a very, very close relationship and especially | 0:32:48 | 0:32:53 | |
when we started to make love to each other, | 0:32:53 | 0:32:56 | |
it became even stronger, our relationship. | 0:32:56 | 0:33:00 | |
I really trusted Jacqueline | 0:33:05 | 0:33:08 | |
and on a weak moment I said to her, | 0:33:08 | 0:33:13 | |
"I trust you to know that | 0:33:13 | 0:33:16 | |
"I'm really working for the Resistance group up in the hills." | 0:33:16 | 0:33:20 | |
And, um, she was quite happy to hear about it. | 0:33:20 | 0:33:25 | |
She told me she doesn't like the Nazis being in France | 0:33:25 | 0:33:30 | |
but I was a fool | 0:33:30 | 0:33:31 | |
because I should never have given away what I was doing. | 0:33:31 | 0:33:36 | |
In spite of the good relationship that we had, | 0:33:39 | 0:33:44 | |
sometimes...we had arguments | 0:33:44 | 0:33:48 | |
because I became jealous | 0:33:48 | 0:33:50 | |
that she was having another affair with other man. | 0:33:50 | 0:33:54 | |
I wanted to know more really what she was doing, so I said, | 0:33:56 | 0:34:01 | |
"Come on, tell me about it." | 0:34:01 | 0:34:03 | |
"No, this is my own business and I'm not going to talk about it." | 0:34:03 | 0:34:08 | |
I...was fed up with her. I was... | 0:34:09 | 0:34:13 | |
It was a moment when I shouted to her, | 0:34:13 | 0:34:17 | |
"Jacqueline, just go your own way. | 0:34:17 | 0:34:19 | |
"I don't want to have anything to do with you," | 0:34:19 | 0:34:22 | |
and she went and smacked my face and run away. | 0:34:22 | 0:34:25 | |
I should not have really broken off with her | 0:34:29 | 0:34:33 | |
because the risk of exposure was so great. | 0:34:33 | 0:34:36 | |
So I decided to go the next day | 0:34:36 | 0:34:40 | |
back to that bistro where we usually meet | 0:34:40 | 0:34:43 | |
and, um, hoping to find her, | 0:34:43 | 0:34:47 | |
or maybe apologise to her what has happened the day before. | 0:34:47 | 0:34:53 | |
Jacqueline wasn't there but the French gendarmes, | 0:34:53 | 0:34:58 | |
two gendarmes were waiting for me, arrested me, | 0:34:58 | 0:35:02 | |
took me to their office and they started interrogating me. | 0:35:02 | 0:35:06 | |
They wanted to know all about my Resistance group | 0:35:06 | 0:35:11 | |
and I knew immediately Jacqueline must have told them that. | 0:35:11 | 0:35:15 | |
Naturally, I would not say anything against my friends | 0:35:24 | 0:35:30 | |
in the Resistance. | 0:35:30 | 0:35:33 | |
These were people who were fighting the enemies, like I was fighting | 0:35:33 | 0:35:38 | |
the enemies, and when they saw I wouldn't talk about it, they started | 0:35:38 | 0:35:43 | |
to hitting me, smashing in my face, blood all over me to make me talk. | 0:35:43 | 0:35:49 | |
They even burned my body with the cigarettes, | 0:35:53 | 0:35:56 | |
torturing me to make me talk. | 0:35:56 | 0:35:58 | |
It was so painful. When I couldn't stand it any more, I said, | 0:35:58 | 0:36:02 | |
"Stop, I will tell you the truth." | 0:36:02 | 0:36:04 | |
"The truth is I've nothing to do with any Resistance group | 0:36:12 | 0:36:16 | |
"but the truth is that my name is not Robert Metzner | 0:36:16 | 0:36:21 | |
"from Alsace-Lorraine. | 0:36:21 | 0:36:23 | |
"This is a false papers. | 0:36:23 | 0:36:25 | |
"But in reality I'm Freddie Knoller, | 0:36:25 | 0:36:27 | |
"a Jew from Vienna hiding up there in the hills." | 0:36:27 | 0:36:31 | |
I remember a big empty courtyard... | 0:37:02 | 0:37:07 | |
..surrounded by block of flats. | 0:37:09 | 0:37:12 | |
This is quite amazing because it... they haven't changed at all, | 0:37:18 | 0:37:22 | |
the buildings, but it was a square without trees | 0:37:22 | 0:37:27 | |
and we were hundreds and thousands of people around here. | 0:37:27 | 0:37:31 | |
We slept in these abandoned blocks. | 0:37:34 | 0:37:38 | |
We knew that we were going in the east somewhere. | 0:37:42 | 0:37:45 | |
Nobody knew exactly where we are going | 0:37:46 | 0:37:50 | |
so the children invented a name - Pitchipoi. | 0:37:50 | 0:37:54 | |
"Oh, we're all going to Pitchipoi." | 0:37:54 | 0:37:57 | |
And every transport from Drancy were exactly 1,000 people - | 0:38:03 | 0:38:09 | |
men, women, children, all together taken in cattle wagons. | 0:38:09 | 0:38:14 | |
Whenever the list of deportation to the east was displayed... | 0:38:18 | 0:38:25 | |
we all tried to run towards the building where the list was displayed | 0:38:25 | 0:38:32 | |
and trying to see who is actually going. | 0:38:32 | 0:38:35 | |
The 6th October, the list came up and... | 0:38:39 | 0:38:43 | |
my name came up. | 0:38:43 | 0:38:46 | |
I became a friend in Drancy with a French doctor, | 0:39:04 | 0:39:09 | |
Dr Robert Waitz | 0:39:09 | 0:39:11 | |
and he went with me into that wagon. | 0:39:11 | 0:39:14 | |
We were squeezed in like sardines. | 0:39:24 | 0:39:28 | |
It was impossible to be comfortable there | 0:39:28 | 0:39:33 | |
or even sit down. | 0:39:33 | 0:39:35 | |
My friend, Dr Robert Waitz, said, | 0:39:39 | 0:39:41 | |
"Look here, we don't know how long we are going to be in the train. | 0:39:41 | 0:39:45 | |
"Let's organise making sure that we survive it properly," | 0:39:45 | 0:39:49 | |
and he said, "Why don't we give the women and the old people a seat | 0:39:49 | 0:39:55 | |
"so they can lean against the wall of the wagon?" | 0:39:55 | 0:40:00 | |
And then he says, | 0:40:00 | 0:40:01 | |
"We young people, half of us will sit on the floor | 0:40:01 | 0:40:04 | |
"and half...half of us will stand and every four hours we change," | 0:40:04 | 0:40:10 | |
and this is how we survived a journey | 0:40:10 | 0:40:14 | |
which I will never, never forget. | 0:40:14 | 0:40:17 | |
People, women, had to empty themselves | 0:40:19 | 0:40:21 | |
in front of everybody. | 0:40:21 | 0:40:23 | |
The crying of the children, | 0:40:24 | 0:40:27 | |
the...the hunger that we felt of not being able to get any food | 0:40:27 | 0:40:32 | |
whatsoever, this was the situation on our transport to the east. | 0:40:32 | 0:40:38 | |
Finally the train stopped... | 0:40:46 | 0:40:48 | |
..the doors opened up and we saw SS in uniform. | 0:40:49 | 0:40:55 | |
They all had dogs on their lead and whips in their hands | 0:40:56 | 0:41:01 | |
and the loudspeaker was coming out, | 0:41:01 | 0:41:05 | |
telling us, "You are here in Auschwitz concentration camp | 0:41:05 | 0:41:09 | |
"and we want the young men | 0:41:09 | 0:41:13 | |
"who are able to walk to the camp | 0:41:13 | 0:41:18 | |
"to line up in rows of five." | 0:41:18 | 0:41:20 | |
When we arrived, we saw prisoners in pyjama-like striped uniforms. | 0:41:27 | 0:41:34 | |
And we even heard music coming from an orchestra | 0:41:39 | 0:41:43 | |
and we had to march with the rhythm of that music to a building. | 0:41:43 | 0:41:50 | |
We had to undress completely | 0:41:50 | 0:41:53 | |
and we were given our uniform to put on. | 0:41:53 | 0:41:56 | |
Some people were saying, asking the old prisoners, | 0:42:00 | 0:42:04 | |
and said, "Tell me, we only see men here. | 0:42:04 | 0:42:08 | |
"What happened to our families?" | 0:42:08 | 0:42:10 | |
Apparently, the old prisoners were telling the...the...the people, | 0:42:10 | 0:42:16 | |
said, "You don't ever ask that question | 0:42:16 | 0:42:18 | |
"because you will never, ever see the women again. | 0:42:18 | 0:42:22 | |
"Quite soon you will smell the sweet smell in the air | 0:42:24 | 0:42:29 | |
"when the bodies are being burned." | 0:42:29 | 0:42:31 | |
We actually didn't believe what they were saying because Germany was... | 0:42:34 | 0:42:39 | |
in fact, was a cultured country, to a certain extent, in our minds. | 0:42:39 | 0:42:45 | |
But, um, quite soon afterwards, we smelt that sweet smell | 0:42:49 | 0:42:52 | |
coming from Birkenau, all right, | 0:42:52 | 0:42:55 | |
to show that it was really true what they were saying, | 0:42:55 | 0:42:58 | |
that they were cremating the bodies of their relatives. | 0:42:58 | 0:43:04 | |
Then we went for registration. | 0:43:20 | 0:43:22 | |
I gave them the name of my parents. | 0:43:28 | 0:43:32 | |
I gave them the address where we lived in Vienna. | 0:43:32 | 0:43:34 | |
Each one of us was given... | 0:43:36 | 0:43:39 | |
..a number. | 0:43:40 | 0:43:42 | |
They put down a number and they said to us, | 0:43:42 | 0:43:45 | |
"You will be now tattooed on your forearm with a number." | 0:43:45 | 0:43:49 | |
And my number was 157108. | 0:43:52 | 0:43:56 | |
And they said, "You will never be called by your name any more, | 0:43:56 | 0:44:00 | |
"but when they call your number, you will have to answer." | 0:44:00 | 0:44:04 | |
And I realised at that moment that we are not any more human beings | 0:44:04 | 0:44:10 | |
but we are really a number. | 0:44:10 | 0:44:12 | |
The first job that I was given was to carry 25-kilo cement bags | 0:44:30 | 0:44:36 | |
on my shoulder - | 0:44:36 | 0:44:38 | |
which we had to take out from a wagon, a railway wagon - | 0:44:38 | 0:44:43 | |
cement bags on our shoulder | 0:44:43 | 0:44:46 | |
and we had to take it to a building and then emptying it. | 0:44:46 | 0:44:52 | |
But we were not allowed just to walk with these 25 kilos - | 0:44:52 | 0:44:57 | |
they forced us to run with these 25 kilos | 0:44:57 | 0:45:01 | |
and if we didn't run fast enough, we were whipped. | 0:45:01 | 0:45:04 | |
From time to time, | 0:45:09 | 0:45:12 | |
we told to line up in front of the SS... | 0:45:12 | 0:45:18 | |
..and told to walk | 0:45:19 | 0:45:24 | |
and there the SS either said to us, | 0:45:24 | 0:45:28 | |
"Go left," or, "Go right." | 0:45:28 | 0:45:30 | |
I put my chest out and I smiled at him | 0:45:33 | 0:45:37 | |
and more or less to say, | 0:45:37 | 0:45:39 | |
"I'm OK, I'm OK for continue working," | 0:45:39 | 0:45:43 | |
and this is what I did, er, when I walked in front. | 0:45:43 | 0:45:47 | |
I wasn't meek at all about it | 0:45:47 | 0:45:50 | |
because I knew if we were ever taken on the left-hand side, | 0:45:50 | 0:45:54 | |
they would gas us. | 0:45:54 | 0:45:56 | |
-NEWSREEL: -'Little by little, the Nazis were reaching | 0:46:03 | 0:46:06 | |
'what they called "the Final Solution" - | 0:46:06 | 0:46:08 | |
'the total extermination of the Jews of Europe. | 0:46:08 | 0:46:10 | |
'It took from three to 15 minutes to kill the people in the death chamber | 0:46:12 | 0:46:15 | |
'depending on climatic conditions. | 0:46:15 | 0:46:19 | |
'We knew when the people were dead because their screaming stopped.' | 0:46:19 | 0:46:22 | |
Sometimes when I knew that somebody was hiding a piece of bread | 0:46:26 | 0:46:31 | |
underneath their mattress, maybe to eat it later on, | 0:46:31 | 0:46:35 | |
and I saw that he was hiding that piece of bread, | 0:46:35 | 0:46:39 | |
um, I... | 0:46:39 | 0:46:42 | |
ashamed to say that I did go to the mattress, | 0:46:42 | 0:46:49 | |
I took out the bread when he wasn't there and I took it away from him. | 0:46:49 | 0:46:54 | |
You only think of yourself, not of others - don't look around | 0:46:58 | 0:47:03 | |
and feel what others are suffering. | 0:47:03 | 0:47:07 | |
You have to become selfish and you | 0:47:07 | 0:47:10 | |
become a completely different person as you were maybe in the past. | 0:47:10 | 0:47:14 | |
It was a selfishness which today I am ashamed of, | 0:47:16 | 0:47:23 | |
but by the time when I did it there was no shame. | 0:47:23 | 0:47:28 | |
It was only...my only thought - "I've got to survive." | 0:47:28 | 0:47:32 | |
One day, in the evening, I saw my friend Dr Robert Waitz | 0:47:49 | 0:47:54 | |
in the camp and he said, | 0:47:54 | 0:47:56 | |
"Oh, Freddie, how are you? What you doing?" | 0:47:56 | 0:48:01 | |
So I told him what I'm... what I was doing and I said, | 0:48:01 | 0:48:04 | |
"Look here, you will not see me in two weeks' time, | 0:48:04 | 0:48:07 | |
because I'll be dead." | 0:48:07 | 0:48:09 | |
He said, "Because I'm a doctor, | 0:48:10 | 0:48:12 | |
"they put me in charge of the hospital of Auschwitz. | 0:48:12 | 0:48:15 | |
"I will try to find extra food for you." | 0:48:15 | 0:48:18 | |
But he also got me out of that cement Kommando | 0:48:23 | 0:48:27 | |
and into a easier Kommando | 0:48:27 | 0:48:31 | |
where my job was sweeping in a building, | 0:48:31 | 0:48:36 | |
an empty building, sweeping the floor | 0:48:36 | 0:48:39 | |
and I must say it was so easy to be in the walls | 0:48:39 | 0:48:45 | |
in a...in a building rather than carrying the cement bags | 0:48:45 | 0:48:49 | |
outside in the open air in winter | 0:48:49 | 0:48:52 | |
when it was minus 20-25 degrees temperature. | 0:48:52 | 0:48:57 | |
It was a life-saver. | 0:48:57 | 0:49:00 | |
'And I know that I'm alive today | 0:49:02 | 0:49:06 | |
'because of that wonderful, er, help I received from Dr Robert Waitz.' | 0:49:06 | 0:49:11 | |
-NEWSREEL: -'This is the BBC Home Service. | 0:49:20 | 0:49:22 | |
'Here is a special bulletin read by John Snagge. | 0:49:22 | 0:49:24 | |
'D-Day has come. | 0:49:26 | 0:49:27 | |
'Early this morning, the Allies began the assault | 0:49:27 | 0:49:30 | |
'on the northwestern face of Hitler's European fortress.' | 0:49:30 | 0:49:33 | |
BOMBS WHISTLE | 0:49:33 | 0:49:34 | |
'During the fifth year of this war, | 0:49:41 | 0:49:43 | |
'the German invaders have been driven headlong from Russian soil. | 0:49:43 | 0:49:47 | |
'As her armies keep on westward, they know that the Germans | 0:49:47 | 0:49:50 | |
'fight now only to gain time to stave off inevitable defeat | 0:49:50 | 0:49:54 | |
'at the hands of the Allies.' | 0:49:54 | 0:49:55 | |
It was bitter, bitter cold. | 0:50:12 | 0:50:15 | |
We were told that we're going to march to a town called Gleiwitz, | 0:50:18 | 0:50:23 | |
50 kilometres away. | 0:50:23 | 0:50:25 | |
We walked on that big road on ice and snow and some people just | 0:50:27 | 0:50:34 | |
collapsed of the freezing cold in our thin clothes. | 0:50:34 | 0:50:39 | |
As soon as people could not walk any more, | 0:50:40 | 0:50:44 | |
the Germans, who surrounded us, shot them. | 0:50:44 | 0:50:47 | |
Some people run away into the woods - | 0:50:51 | 0:50:54 | |
the Germans kill them. | 0:50:54 | 0:50:56 | |
All who were able to walk still, | 0:51:02 | 0:51:05 | |
we walked as fast as we could in order to remain alive. | 0:51:05 | 0:51:09 | |
I walked and walked without caring what happened to anybody else. | 0:51:11 | 0:51:16 | |
We saw people being killed but it didn't affect me. | 0:51:16 | 0:51:20 | |
This was just one of the thing - | 0:51:20 | 0:51:24 | |
"I am still walking and I'm still alive" - | 0:51:24 | 0:51:26 | |
that's the only thought that I had. | 0:51:26 | 0:51:29 | |
After Gleiwitz, we were taken to a railway station | 0:51:39 | 0:51:43 | |
and we were put into these open carriages by the...by the Germans | 0:51:43 | 0:51:49 | |
and we were taken to the next camp. | 0:51:49 | 0:51:52 | |
Er, so many people actually died on the train | 0:51:54 | 0:52:00 | |
and we were quite happy actually to throw them out from the train | 0:52:00 | 0:52:05 | |
because we wanted to have more room to be able to move | 0:52:05 | 0:52:09 | |
because we were so squeezed together there. | 0:52:09 | 0:52:13 | |
We passed Vienna, we saw the Prater | 0:52:17 | 0:52:19 | |
and right away my thoughts were, "What happened to my parents?" | 0:52:19 | 0:52:23 | |
It was over six years that I didn't see my parents. | 0:52:25 | 0:52:28 | |
My feeling was, "Will...will I find them live...alive again?" | 0:52:32 | 0:52:37 | |
-NEWSREEL: -'Tonight, we're attacking the retreating German army, | 0:52:45 | 0:52:49 | |
'streaming back into Cologne from the west | 0:52:49 | 0:52:51 | |
'and hoping to cross the Rhine.' | 0:52:51 | 0:52:53 | |
'We're circling round now, watching the inferno below us | 0:52:57 | 0:53:00 | |
'and silhouetted against it, | 0:53:00 | 0:53:01 | |
'the Lancasters and the Halifaxes making off | 0:53:01 | 0:53:04 | |
'in the all-revealing light of the moon.' | 0:53:04 | 0:53:06 | |
Bergen-Belsen - we arrived there | 0:53:14 | 0:53:17 | |
beginning March 1945. | 0:53:17 | 0:53:23 | |
We really didn't see any guards. | 0:53:26 | 0:53:29 | |
They were there but they didn't come into the camp. | 0:53:29 | 0:53:35 | |
No food was given to us at all, | 0:53:39 | 0:53:43 | |
I...I remember digging into the ground to get hold of some roots, | 0:53:43 | 0:53:50 | |
something to eat, because... | 0:53:50 | 0:53:54 | |
..I never, ever experienced | 0:53:56 | 0:53:59 | |
a hunger so strong. | 0:53:59 | 0:54:02 | |
It hurt my...my stomach and my body hurt me from the hunger that we had. | 0:54:02 | 0:54:10 | |
I saw some young people coming to these bodies | 0:54:16 | 0:54:22 | |
with sharp stones. | 0:54:22 | 0:54:24 | |
They went to the bodies to... | 0:54:24 | 0:54:27 | |
and cut up the flesh of these dead bodies | 0:54:27 | 0:54:30 | |
and they were able to try to find a fire | 0:54:30 | 0:54:34 | |
and to roast that flesh from these dead bodies. | 0:54:34 | 0:54:39 | |
I don't know whether... | 0:54:39 | 0:54:42 | |
I really don't know whether this was...immoral for me. | 0:54:42 | 0:54:46 | |
I...I don't think so, but this is something I just couldn't do. | 0:54:46 | 0:54:51 | |
'I am the officer commanding the regiment of Royal Artillery | 0:54:55 | 0:55:00 | |
'guarding this camp. | 0:55:00 | 0:55:01 | |
'Our most unpleasant task has been making the SS, | 0:55:01 | 0:55:06 | |
'of which there are about 50, bury the dead. | 0:55:06 | 0:55:10 | |
'Up to press, we've buried about 17,000 people... | 0:55:11 | 0:55:15 | |
'..and we expect to bury about half as much again. | 0:55:17 | 0:55:20 | |
'The officers and men regard this job... | 0:55:21 | 0:55:25 | |
'..as a duty that has to be performed | 0:55:26 | 0:55:29 | |
'and none of us are likely to forget | 0:55:29 | 0:55:31 | |
'what the German people have done here.' | 0:55:31 | 0:55:33 | |
'The British interviewed the prisoners,' | 0:55:56 | 0:55:59 | |
asking their background and everything and I was asked, | 0:55:59 | 0:56:03 | |
"Where would you like to go?" | 0:56:03 | 0:56:05 | |
and naturally I told them, "I want to go to Vienna." | 0:56:05 | 0:56:08 | |
Er, the officer said, "Vienna is occupied by the Russian troops | 0:56:08 | 0:56:14 | |
"and we know that no Jews are any more living in Vienna, | 0:56:14 | 0:56:20 | |
"so you better... | 0:56:20 | 0:56:22 | |
"don't go to Vienna because you will not find your parents there." | 0:56:22 | 0:56:26 | |
I only found out what happened | 0:56:27 | 0:56:29 | |
to my parents | 0:56:29 | 0:56:30 | |
until after 50 years | 0:56:30 | 0:56:33 | |
of liberation of Auschwitz. | 0:56:33 | 0:56:35 | |
In 1995, I was told that my parents | 0:56:35 | 0:56:40 | |
were deported from Vienna in 1942... | 0:56:40 | 0:56:44 | |
..and were gassed and cremated | 0:56:45 | 0:56:48 | |
on 22nd November, 1944... | 0:56:48 | 0:56:52 | |
..in Auschwitz. | 0:56:54 | 0:56:56 | |
And I was there in Auschwitz | 0:56:58 | 0:57:00 | |
but, naturally, I didn't know anything about it. | 0:57:00 | 0:57:03 | |
'What I went through in my lifetime made me...believe in myself. | 0:57:39 | 0:57:47 | |
I'm proud to have experienced what I've experienced and, er, | 0:57:48 | 0:57:54 | |
I'm proud to have been... | 0:57:54 | 0:57:56 | |
..er, to have fought for my life | 0:57:58 | 0:58:01 | |
and proud to be able to tell the world what has happened. | 0:58:01 | 0:58:07 | |
I'm... | 0:58:09 | 0:58:10 | |
I'm a fantastic guy, I must say! | 0:58:10 | 0:58:13 | |
I don't know! I shouldn't have said that. | 0:58:16 | 0:58:19 | |
I'm very proud of myself! | 0:58:22 | 0:58:24 | |
# Tombe du ciel | 0:58:29 | 0:58:32 | |
# Je suis tombe du ciel | 0:58:33 | 0:58:35 | |
# Destin providentiel | 0:58:37 | 0:58:39 | |
# Car sur la terre | 0:58:40 | 0:58:42 | |
# Tout est charmant | 0:58:45 | 0:58:46 | |
# Surtout quand vient l'printemps | 0:58:48 | 0:58:51 | |
# Et qu'on voit les etangs | 0:58:52 | 0:58:54 | |
# Pleins de lumiere... # | 0:58:55 | 0:58:57 |