Surviving the Holocaust - Freddie Knoller's War


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This programme contains some scenes which some viewers may find upsetting

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The Holocaust is one of the defining events of the 20th century.

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There are many testimonies, many stories about those who survived

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and those that died.

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And every one is remarkable,

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moving and unique.

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Merci beaucoup, merci.

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Freddie Knoller is one of the survivors.

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At the age of 17 he was sent away from home to escape the Nazis

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and for most of the war he remained one step ahead of them...

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..but he was finally caught.

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Just sit yourself down.

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Now 93, Freddie lives in north London.

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Excuse me, where's the camera?

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Ah, yeah, I can see your face now, yeah, yeah,

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because this is quite strong, that light.

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What follows is his story -

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his memories of what happened over 70 years ago.

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Everyone happy?

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Then we shall begin.

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-NEWSREEL:

-Vienna, even now, gayest city of central Europe

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with an architectural beauty from the historic buildings

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on the Ring Platz to the great modern flats.

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My name is Freddie Knoller.

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I was born in Vienna in 1921.

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Our district was the second district of Vienna, the Leopoldstadt.

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A lot of Jews lived in the second district,

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but it was a mixed district.

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We had neighbours, Christian neighbours.

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In fact, in the school we were mixed with Christian children.

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Near us there was a big funfair, the Prater.

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And I remember our big dream was to go on the Riesenrad,

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the wheel, the big wheel.

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My father was an accountant,

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or Buchhalter they called it in German,

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and he was very strict with us.

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My mother was terrific.

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She gave us so much love and support.

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Music was very important.

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In the evening, the three of the brother Knollers, we'd play together.

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We played for our own pleasure Viennese music,

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The Blue Danube and, you know, all the popular music of that time.

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The atmosphere was, in our house, was really wonderful

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because of that music.

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I was a happy-go-lucky boy.

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I tried to stay away from serious things.

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I enjoyed life.

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Um...

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life was quite fantastic for me during my childhood.

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11th March was my brother Erich's birthday...

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..and on that day we had festivities at home.

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And we heard on the radio that German troops went into Austria.

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-NEWSREEL:

-All peoples around the globe were electrified

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with Germany's lightning-like invasion of Austria.

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From Innsbruck to Brenner Pass, Austrian independence was crushed

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beneath the heels of goose-stepping Nazi legions.

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CHEERING

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Millions jammed country lanes and city streets

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to gain a glimpse of the man who proclaimed himself a leader

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of the peaceful country of seven million.

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We were quite amazed

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because we didn't think that Austria

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would welcome Germany to come into Austria, but they did.

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Austrians were very happy to have the Germans in their country.

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We were told not to go to our school any more.

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The Jews were only allowed to learn a trade.

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My oldest brother Otto could not continue his medical studies.

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And then we heard about the harassment of Jews in our district.

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This is when I heard for the first time this shouting,

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"Jude verrecke!" - Jews perish,

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and it affected me terribly because somehow I said,

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"How do they want me to perish? Why do they want me to perish?"

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There was one event, actually, which I feel I should talk about.

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Erm, I had a Christian friend.

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After the Anschluss, I suddenly saw him in the Untere Augartenstrasse

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in a Hitlerjugend's uniform.

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And I saw him walking on the other side of the street

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and I shouted,

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"Kurtl, Kurtl, where are you going? Wo gehst du?"

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He looked at me and he continued walking.

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And this was the beginning of our life under the Nazis.

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HITLER SPEECH IN GERMAN

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-TRANSLATION:

-Let our vow tonight be that every hour on every day

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to think only of the people of the Reich and of the German nation.

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-ALL:

-Sieg heil.

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Sieg heil. Sieg heil.

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CROWD CHEERS

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One day, I suddenly saw smoke coming out in the next street

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where our synagogue was, the polnische Tempel.

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Right away, I saw fire engines coming

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but the Nazis in brown uniform wouldn't allow them to spray water

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onto the synagogue, but they were only allowed to spray water

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on the buildings adjoining the synagogue.

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And when I came home and I told my parents what I've seen,

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my father said, "You children, you cannot possibly live in a country

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"where these things are happening. This is not for you.

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"You have to live in different countries."

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Then my oldest brother Otto was able to get himself a boat

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to take him to England

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and my brother Erich left for Florida.

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I really felt, "Well, he's a lucky guy to go to America."

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SHIP'S HORN BLARES

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I was the youngest and my father said to me,

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"Look, we have some friends in Belgium,"

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and he phoned these friends

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and ask them, "Can I send our youngest boy, Freddie, over to you?"

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And naturally they said,

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"By all means, send Freddie over. We'll take care of him."

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Before I left, I cuddled and kissed my mother

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and I was crying.

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TRAIN BELL RINGS

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WHISTLE BLOWS

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I had that fear to go into a different country

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not knowing what is going to happen...

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..going into a place where I have to make my own decisions all the time

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rather than being told by my father what to do.

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What actually happened, because so many refugees went into Belgium,

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the Belgium government created refugee camps and I was put into

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a refugee camp for children my own age,

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Jewish children.

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I must say it felt a little bit like a holiday for me.

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In that camp, we had an orchestra.

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My father sent me my cello

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and for me to have my cello again

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was something so wonderful

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because this was part of my home

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with my parents, with my brothers.

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It brought back my memories from a wonderful time which I had at home.

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RADIO PIPS

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-NEWSREEL:

-This is the national programme from London.

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Please stand by for a very important announcement.

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Germany has invaded Poland and has bombed many towns.

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-WINSTON CHURCHILL:

-I have to tell you now that no such undertaking

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has been received and that, consequently,

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this country is at war with Germany.

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-AMERICAN NEWSREEL:

-The leaders of Nazi Germany shifted

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their war machine into high gear.

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On May 10th, 1940, they blitzed

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into Holland and Belgium.

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There we were again under the Nazis.

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What are we going to do now?

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I, who spoke a bit of French,

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I decided I wanted to go to France...

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..because I read in these naughty books all about Paris,

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about Montmartre,

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about the Moulin Rouge with the half-naked dancers on the stage

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and this is where I wanted to go.

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So I made my way together with two other boys,

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who also spoke a bit of French, towards the French border.

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But I couldn't go with much luggage and I left the cello in the camp.

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-NEWSREEL:

-The Nazis are marching ahead at the fastest speed

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a conquering army has moved in all history.

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All roads in France are choked with slow-moving masses of refugees.

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The roads were full with people just walking,

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some with cars and some with bicycles.

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And, while we were walking, actually, suddenly planes came,

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German planes came, and started to shoot at us.

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Some people jumped into the ditches to get away from it.

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Lied down on the ground, shivering,

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you know, erm, afraid,

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hoping that nothing will happen to me.

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Everybody just screaming

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and mothers shouting to their children and children screaming.

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It was a terrible situation. It was a...

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Together with the gunshots from the aeroplanes, it was terrible.

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I was there together with two other friends of mine.

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We both, all three of us, we approached the French border

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and in French I said, "Moi, je veux rentrer en France

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"parce'que je ne pas rester avec Monsieur Hitler."

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"I want to go into France

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"because I don't want to stay with Mr Hitler in Germany."

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So they asked me for my passport.

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The Germans put on the front page of each passport,

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they put a big red 'J' on it

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to indicate that the owner of the passport is a Jew.

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But as soon as they saw the German passport with stamps

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with the swastika on it, right away they couldn't care less

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whether I was a Jew or not, it was a German passport.

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They arrested me and my two friends as an enemy alien.

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-NEWSREEL:

-The first block now on June 5th.

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The French Resistance was determined but by June 8th, the left flank army

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had been shattered and on June 9th the German main attack came.

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Within two days, the German armoured and motorised divisions

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roared out into the open terrain.

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With this breakthrough, the issue of the Battle of France was decided.

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Immediately, the real German Nazis were released from the camp

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and only Jewish people stayed there.

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The problem was, because of the little food that we had

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and no washing facilities there,

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people became ill and started to die of cholera.

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And when the two friends who came with me to the camp

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also contracted cholera,

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I said to myself, "I don't want to die. I've got to get out of there."

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And I went at night-time to the barbed wire

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and I dug myself underneath the barbed wire

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and escaped from that camp.

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I made my way to meet my cousins in Gaillac.

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It was actually a big farming community and as it was harvest-time,

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the farmers needed help to take the harvest in.

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They paid us very well and we worked very hard,

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but I wasn't very happy really.

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My plan was to go and find my own cello,

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which I missed very much,

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because the cello was part of my former life

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with my family in Vienna.

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Being the way I am, I did what I wanted to do.

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When I saved up 100 francs,

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I got myself some false identification papers.

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So I became a Frenchman.

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With 100 francs, I became Robert Metzner from Alsace-Lorraine.

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My cousins were absolutely against it.

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"Why do you want to go to Belgium again,

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"which is occupied by the Germans?

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"You are absolutely meshuga. You're mad."

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Yeah, that was the Jewish word for being mad.

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With these false papers, I made my way through the demarcation line

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back to Belgium.

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I went to our refugee camp

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but the place was completely empty, um...

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and nobody was there.

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I went through the barracks where we lived

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and I couldn't find any cello.

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I didn't know what I should do.

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But I think within myself,

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I became quite cocky

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and self-assured with these false documents,

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which I can do whatever I want.

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"I am not a Jew.

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"I am Robert Metzner from Alsace-Lorraine

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"and I want to go to Paris!" - that simple.

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MUSIC: Paris Sera Toujours Paris by Maurice Chevalier

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# Paris sera toujours Paris

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# La plus belle ville du monde

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# Malgre l'obscurite profonde

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# Son eclat ne peut etre assombri. #

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-AMERICAN NEWSREEL:

-Paris, two short syllables but what a word it is.

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Capital of France and the centre of French national life,

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it is regarded by many as the most beautiful city in all the world.

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So let's open wide the gates that we too may see the sights

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and thrill to their fascination.

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Arriving at the Gare du Nord,

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it was just incredible.

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The place was full of German soldiers.

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Then I saw a big sign there - Metro -

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and I went towards that sign

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and I saw the map of Paris there

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and I saw Place Pigalle.

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I took the underground, got out at Place Pigalle.

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I was fascinated.

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This was the naughty district of Paris which I read so much about.

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# Menilmontant

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# Mais oui, madame

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# C'est la que j'ai laisse mon coeur... #

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I was standing in front of the Folies Bergere,

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which was in Montmartre,

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and I saw these photos with the half-naked dancers on the stage there

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and I enjoyed myself.

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# ..petite eglises

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# Ou les mariages allaient gaiement

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# Quand je revois ma vieille maison grise

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# Meme la grise parle d'antan. #

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One day, I saw a Mediterranean-looking fellow

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talking to a group of German soldiers and I heard him say he was Cristos.

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In German, he was telling him,

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"Come with me, I will show you beautiful sights of Paris

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"and to a beautiful place where lots of girls are there.

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"You will have lots of fun and I saw them entering into a nightclub."

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When I approached Cristos, I said to him, "Look here, I also speak German.

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"I heard you talking to the German soldiers.

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"Between you and me, I'm a little bit broke.

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"Is there any possibility for me to join you

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"and can we make a living?"

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He said to me, "If you want to join me, I will introduce you to these

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"nightclubs and whenever you take German soldiers into these places,

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"they will pay commission for taking you there."

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I said, "Oh, I would love to do that,"

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and we made an appointment for the next day to meet at Place Pigalle.

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-BRITISH NEWSREEL:

-Up with the curtain,

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when Paris dances she lets herself go.

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Ring-a-Ring-o-Roses is grand fun.

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Would any of you boys like to join in?

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# La musique negre et le jazz hot

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# Sont deja de vieilles machines

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# Maintenant pour etre dans la note

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# Il faut du swing... #

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Cristos introduced me to the music,

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the dancers, jazz, which he loved.

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I enjoyed doing the work that I was doing with the Germans.

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It was an adventure for me to take them to the cabarets

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and the brothels.

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I met a lot of lovely people,

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interesting people, actually.

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I don't mean the German soldiers but the girls in the cabarets

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and the people that I met with them,

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the owners of the brothels, which I became very friendly with.

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You know, half-naked dancers, all the girls, and I enjoyed

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looking at it and enjoyed the music and it was very pleasant.

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I must say we did earn quite a lot of money, actually, from these places.

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In reality, I was really a pimp, but I didn't consider myself, er...

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that this is a situation which I should be ashamed of

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because, somehow, it saved my life what I did.

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One day, I was standing on Place Pigalle

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and I saw two civilians coming towards me.

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Each one had a hat on and long black leather coat on

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and I recognised them immediately.

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These must be two people from the Gestapo.

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And they asked me in French,

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"Qu'est-ce que vous faites ici

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"de parler avec les soldats allemands?"

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"What are you doing here to talk to German soldiers all the time?"

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So I answered them in German.

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I said, "Oh, but I'm a guide. I'm a guide.

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"I show these soldiers, who maybe come from the Russian front, I show

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"them the beautiful sights of Paris, because they do not know Paris."

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Immediately they took me in their car to Gestapo headquarters

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and they started interrogating me.

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Their office was a large room.

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There was a big picture on the wall behind them which was Adolf Hitler.

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The first question was, "Show me your papers."

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I showed them my papers and, while he was talking,

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I saw on his desk a plaster head of a human being...

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..and he saw me looking at it.

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He said, "Oh, this plaster head, that's a head of a Jew

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"because we were taught how to recognise Jews

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"by the structure of the head."

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With that, he got up from his desk, went behind me

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and he took my head between his two hands, tracing it.

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He said, "Oh, yes."

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I must say that I'm not ashamed to say, I wet my pants

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because I was so sure that I will now be recognised as a Jew.

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He said, "Oh, yes, oh, yes, I can see, I can see.

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"Yes, I can see you come from good German background

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"and I think you should be joining our organisation as an interpreter.

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"You will be earning a lot of money

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"and finally you will be working with your own people."

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Well, I felt so amazed, laughing,

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not... more or less laughing of myself,

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said, "Wow, what an adventure did... to be able to get away

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"from the Gestapo and they want me to work with them!"

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Merci beaucoup.

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'It never entered my mind to accept the offer because to be

0:28:200:28:26

'working with the Gestapo would have been so dangerous for me.

0:28:260:28:31

'I went back to my friend Cristos on Place Pigalle

0:28:400:28:44

and I said to him, "Look, I cannot work here any more

0:28:440:28:47

"because if they see me... they will just arrest me

0:28:470:28:51

"and deport me to a concentration camp."

0:28:510:28:54

He said, "Leave it with me, I have some ideas."

0:28:540:28:56

I went home and two days later Cristos introduced me

0:28:560:29:01

to a leader of the French Resistance.

0:29:010:29:04

The Resistance leader took me from Paris to a place called Figeac.

0:29:260:29:32

It is a town, a beautiful town, actually,

0:29:330:29:37

surrounded by very high mountains,

0:29:370:29:42

and in the mountains the Resistance groups were hiding.

0:29:420:29:48

We were really taught how to use guns.

0:29:500:29:53

We were taught how to put explosives together

0:29:530:29:57

and to do the things that I've never done in my life before.

0:29:570:30:02

It was...a great joy for me

0:30:040:30:09

to fight my enemies, instead of earning money from them.

0:30:090:30:14

RADIO: 'Ici Londres.

0:30:160:30:18

'Veuillez ecouter tout d'abord quelques messages personelles.

0:30:180:30:22

'L'etoile filante repassera...'

0:30:220:30:24

One day, we were told early in the morning to go together

0:30:240:30:31

to derail this troops train.

0:30:310:30:34

Our leader told us that the train should be arriving

0:30:370:30:40

somewhere around eleven, eleven-thirty in the morning.

0:30:400:30:44

And he made sure that

0:30:480:30:51

whenever we put explosives onto the railway line,

0:30:510:30:56

we hide it with leaves, grass coming out

0:30:560:31:02

so that it shouldn't be noticed immediately.

0:31:020:31:05

Then he told us that we should go and observe,

0:31:100:31:15

but quite far away, what is going to happen up in the hills.

0:31:150:31:19

The train came.

0:31:220:31:25

We heard the explosion.

0:31:280:31:30

We saw the first engine topple over on the side

0:31:300:31:35

and the whole thing just collapsed itself.

0:31:350:31:39

But we run away immediately back to our Resistance group.

0:31:390:31:44

I must say, it was wonderful.

0:31:440:31:47

I enjoyed this day...wonderfully.

0:31:470:31:52

I went to a certain bistro in Figeac.

0:32:000:32:04

I was beautifully received there by the owner of the bistro

0:32:050:32:10

and I became quite friends with them.

0:32:100:32:12

He actually introduced me to a lovely, beautiful girl,

0:32:120:32:17

a French girl called Jacqueline.

0:32:170:32:20

I fell in love with her because she was a very, very pretty girl

0:32:200:32:26

and, you know, I always love pretty girls.

0:32:260:32:29

Full hair, very buxomy, they say, yeah?

0:32:310:32:36

Erm, and, erm, she was always smiling

0:32:360:32:42

and laughing and making jokes.

0:32:420:32:46

It was a very, very close relationship and especially

0:32:480:32:53

when we started to make love to each other,

0:32:530:32:56

it became even stronger, our relationship.

0:32:560:33:00

I really trusted Jacqueline

0:33:050:33:08

and on a weak moment I said to her,

0:33:080:33:13

"I trust you to know that

0:33:130:33:16

"I'm really working for the Resistance group up in the hills."

0:33:160:33:20

And, um, she was quite happy to hear about it.

0:33:200:33:25

She told me she doesn't like the Nazis being in France

0:33:250:33:30

but I was a fool

0:33:300:33:31

because I should never have given away what I was doing.

0:33:310:33:36

In spite of the good relationship that we had,

0:33:390:33:44

sometimes...we had arguments

0:33:440:33:48

because I became jealous

0:33:480:33:50

that she was having another affair with other man.

0:33:500:33:54

I wanted to know more really what she was doing, so I said,

0:33:560:34:01

"Come on, tell me about it."

0:34:010:34:03

"No, this is my own business and I'm not going to talk about it."

0:34:030:34:08

I...was fed up with her. I was...

0:34:090:34:13

It was a moment when I shouted to her,

0:34:130:34:17

"Jacqueline, just go your own way.

0:34:170:34:19

"I don't want to have anything to do with you,"

0:34:190:34:22

and she went and smacked my face and run away.

0:34:220:34:25

I should not have really broken off with her

0:34:290:34:33

because the risk of exposure was so great.

0:34:330:34:36

So I decided to go the next day

0:34:360:34:40

back to that bistro where we usually meet

0:34:400:34:43

and, um, hoping to find her,

0:34:430:34:47

or maybe apologise to her what has happened the day before.

0:34:470:34:53

Jacqueline wasn't there but the French gendarmes,

0:34:530:34:58

two gendarmes were waiting for me, arrested me,

0:34:580:35:02

took me to their office and they started interrogating me.

0:35:020:35:06

They wanted to know all about my Resistance group

0:35:060:35:11

and I knew immediately Jacqueline must have told them that.

0:35:110:35:15

Naturally, I would not say anything against my friends

0:35:240:35:30

in the Resistance.

0:35:300:35:33

These were people who were fighting the enemies, like I was fighting

0:35:330:35:38

the enemies, and when they saw I wouldn't talk about it, they started

0:35:380:35:43

to hitting me, smashing in my face, blood all over me to make me talk.

0:35:430:35:49

They even burned my body with the cigarettes,

0:35:530:35:56

torturing me to make me talk.

0:35:560:35:58

It was so painful. When I couldn't stand it any more, I said,

0:35:580:36:02

"Stop, I will tell you the truth."

0:36:020:36:04

"The truth is I've nothing to do with any Resistance group

0:36:120:36:16

"but the truth is that my name is not Robert Metzner

0:36:160:36:21

"from Alsace-Lorraine.

0:36:210:36:23

"This is a false papers.

0:36:230:36:25

"But in reality I'm Freddie Knoller,

0:36:250:36:27

"a Jew from Vienna hiding up there in the hills."

0:36:270:36:31

I remember a big empty courtyard...

0:37:020:37:07

..surrounded by block of flats.

0:37:090:37:12

This is quite amazing because it... they haven't changed at all,

0:37:180:37:22

the buildings, but it was a square without trees

0:37:220:37:27

and we were hundreds and thousands of people around here.

0:37:270:37:31

We slept in these abandoned blocks.

0:37:340:37:38

We knew that we were going in the east somewhere.

0:37:420:37:45

Nobody knew exactly where we are going

0:37:460:37:50

so the children invented a name - Pitchipoi.

0:37:500:37:54

"Oh, we're all going to Pitchipoi."

0:37:540:37:57

And every transport from Drancy were exactly 1,000 people -

0:38:030:38:09

men, women, children, all together taken in cattle wagons.

0:38:090:38:14

Whenever the list of deportation to the east was displayed...

0:38:180:38:25

we all tried to run towards the building where the list was displayed

0:38:250:38:32

and trying to see who is actually going.

0:38:320:38:35

The 6th October, the list came up and...

0:38:390:38:43

my name came up.

0:38:430:38:46

I became a friend in Drancy with a French doctor,

0:39:040:39:09

Dr Robert Waitz

0:39:090:39:11

and he went with me into that wagon.

0:39:110:39:14

We were squeezed in like sardines.

0:39:240:39:28

It was impossible to be comfortable there

0:39:280:39:33

or even sit down.

0:39:330:39:35

My friend, Dr Robert Waitz, said,

0:39:390:39:41

"Look here, we don't know how long we are going to be in the train.

0:39:410:39:45

"Let's organise making sure that we survive it properly,"

0:39:450:39:49

and he said, "Why don't we give the women and the old people a seat

0:39:490:39:55

"so they can lean against the wall of the wagon?"

0:39:550:40:00

And then he says,

0:40:000:40:01

"We young people, half of us will sit on the floor

0:40:010:40:04

"and half...half of us will stand and every four hours we change,"

0:40:040:40:10

and this is how we survived a journey

0:40:100:40:14

which I will never, never forget.

0:40:140:40:17

People, women, had to empty themselves

0:40:190:40:21

in front of everybody.

0:40:210:40:23

The crying of the children,

0:40:240:40:27

the...the hunger that we felt of not being able to get any food

0:40:270:40:32

whatsoever, this was the situation on our transport to the east.

0:40:320:40:38

Finally the train stopped...

0:40:460:40:48

..the doors opened up and we saw SS in uniform.

0:40:490:40:55

They all had dogs on their lead and whips in their hands

0:40:560:41:01

and the loudspeaker was coming out,

0:41:010:41:05

telling us, "You are here in Auschwitz concentration camp

0:41:050:41:09

"and we want the young men

0:41:090:41:13

"who are able to walk to the camp

0:41:130:41:18

"to line up in rows of five."

0:41:180:41:20

When we arrived, we saw prisoners in pyjama-like striped uniforms.

0:41:270:41:34

And we even heard music coming from an orchestra

0:41:390:41:43

and we had to march with the rhythm of that music to a building.

0:41:430:41:50

We had to undress completely

0:41:500:41:53

and we were given our uniform to put on.

0:41:530:41:56

Some people were saying, asking the old prisoners,

0:42:000:42:04

and said, "Tell me, we only see men here.

0:42:040:42:08

"What happened to our families?"

0:42:080:42:10

Apparently, the old prisoners were telling the...the...the people,

0:42:100:42:16

said, "You don't ever ask that question

0:42:160:42:18

"because you will never, ever see the women again.

0:42:180:42:22

"Quite soon you will smell the sweet smell in the air

0:42:240:42:29

"when the bodies are being burned."

0:42:290:42:31

We actually didn't believe what they were saying because Germany was...

0:42:340:42:39

in fact, was a cultured country, to a certain extent, in our minds.

0:42:390:42:45

But, um, quite soon afterwards, we smelt that sweet smell

0:42:490:42:52

coming from Birkenau, all right,

0:42:520:42:55

to show that it was really true what they were saying,

0:42:550:42:58

that they were cremating the bodies of their relatives.

0:42:580:43:04

Then we went for registration.

0:43:200:43:22

I gave them the name of my parents.

0:43:280:43:32

I gave them the address where we lived in Vienna.

0:43:320:43:34

Each one of us was given...

0:43:360:43:39

..a number.

0:43:400:43:42

They put down a number and they said to us,

0:43:420:43:45

"You will be now tattooed on your forearm with a number."

0:43:450:43:49

And my number was 157108.

0:43:520:43:56

And they said, "You will never be called by your name any more,

0:43:560:44:00

"but when they call your number, you will have to answer."

0:44:000:44:04

And I realised at that moment that we are not any more human beings

0:44:040:44:10

but we are really a number.

0:44:100:44:12

The first job that I was given was to carry 25-kilo cement bags

0:44:300:44:36

on my shoulder -

0:44:360:44:38

which we had to take out from a wagon, a railway wagon -

0:44:380:44:43

cement bags on our shoulder

0:44:430:44:46

and we had to take it to a building and then emptying it.

0:44:460:44:52

But we were not allowed just to walk with these 25 kilos -

0:44:520:44:57

they forced us to run with these 25 kilos

0:44:570:45:01

and if we didn't run fast enough, we were whipped.

0:45:010:45:04

From time to time,

0:45:090:45:12

we told to line up in front of the SS...

0:45:120:45:18

..and told to walk

0:45:190:45:24

and there the SS either said to us,

0:45:240:45:28

"Go left," or, "Go right."

0:45:280:45:30

I put my chest out and I smiled at him

0:45:330:45:37

and more or less to say,

0:45:370:45:39

"I'm OK, I'm OK for continue working,"

0:45:390:45:43

and this is what I did, er, when I walked in front.

0:45:430:45:47

I wasn't meek at all about it

0:45:470:45:50

because I knew if we were ever taken on the left-hand side,

0:45:500:45:54

they would gas us.

0:45:540:45:56

-NEWSREEL:

-'Little by little, the Nazis were reaching

0:46:030:46:06

'what they called "the Final Solution" -

0:46:060:46:08

'the total extermination of the Jews of Europe.

0:46:080:46:10

'It took from three to 15 minutes to kill the people in the death chamber

0:46:120:46:15

'depending on climatic conditions.

0:46:150:46:19

'We knew when the people were dead because their screaming stopped.'

0:46:190:46:22

Sometimes when I knew that somebody was hiding a piece of bread

0:46:260:46:31

underneath their mattress, maybe to eat it later on,

0:46:310:46:35

and I saw that he was hiding that piece of bread,

0:46:350:46:39

um, I...

0:46:390:46:42

ashamed to say that I did go to the mattress,

0:46:420:46:49

I took out the bread when he wasn't there and I took it away from him.

0:46:490:46:54

You only think of yourself, not of others - don't look around

0:46:580:47:03

and feel what others are suffering.

0:47:030:47:07

You have to become selfish and you

0:47:070:47:10

become a completely different person as you were maybe in the past.

0:47:100:47:14

It was a selfishness which today I am ashamed of,

0:47:160:47:23

but by the time when I did it there was no shame.

0:47:230:47:28

It was only...my only thought - "I've got to survive."

0:47:280:47:32

One day, in the evening, I saw my friend Dr Robert Waitz

0:47:490:47:54

in the camp and he said,

0:47:540:47:56

"Oh, Freddie, how are you? What you doing?"

0:47:560:48:01

So I told him what I'm... what I was doing and I said,

0:48:010:48:04

"Look here, you will not see me in two weeks' time,

0:48:040:48:07

because I'll be dead."

0:48:070:48:09

He said, "Because I'm a doctor,

0:48:100:48:12

"they put me in charge of the hospital of Auschwitz.

0:48:120:48:15

"I will try to find extra food for you."

0:48:150:48:18

But he also got me out of that cement Kommando

0:48:230:48:27

and into a easier Kommando

0:48:270:48:31

where my job was sweeping in a building,

0:48:310:48:36

an empty building, sweeping the floor

0:48:360:48:39

and I must say it was so easy to be in the walls

0:48:390:48:45

in a...in a building rather than carrying the cement bags

0:48:450:48:49

outside in the open air in winter

0:48:490:48:52

when it was minus 20-25 degrees temperature.

0:48:520:48:57

It was a life-saver.

0:48:570:49:00

'And I know that I'm alive today

0:49:020:49:06

'because of that wonderful, er, help I received from Dr Robert Waitz.'

0:49:060:49:11

-NEWSREEL:

-'This is the BBC Home Service.

0:49:200:49:22

'Here is a special bulletin read by John Snagge.

0:49:220:49:24

'D-Day has come.

0:49:260:49:27

'Early this morning, the Allies began the assault

0:49:270:49:30

'on the northwestern face of Hitler's European fortress.'

0:49:300:49:33

BOMBS WHISTLE

0:49:330:49:34

'During the fifth year of this war,

0:49:410:49:43

'the German invaders have been driven headlong from Russian soil.

0:49:430:49:47

'As her armies keep on westward, they know that the Germans

0:49:470:49:50

'fight now only to gain time to stave off inevitable defeat

0:49:500:49:54

'at the hands of the Allies.'

0:49:540:49:55

It was bitter, bitter cold.

0:50:120:50:15

We were told that we're going to march to a town called Gleiwitz,

0:50:180:50:23

50 kilometres away.

0:50:230:50:25

We walked on that big road on ice and snow and some people just

0:50:270:50:34

collapsed of the freezing cold in our thin clothes.

0:50:340:50:39

As soon as people could not walk any more,

0:50:400:50:44

the Germans, who surrounded us, shot them.

0:50:440:50:47

Some people run away into the woods -

0:50:510:50:54

the Germans kill them.

0:50:540:50:56

All who were able to walk still,

0:51:020:51:05

we walked as fast as we could in order to remain alive.

0:51:050:51:09

I walked and walked without caring what happened to anybody else.

0:51:110:51:16

We saw people being killed but it didn't affect me.

0:51:160:51:20

This was just one of the thing -

0:51:200:51:24

"I am still walking and I'm still alive" -

0:51:240:51:26

that's the only thought that I had.

0:51:260:51:29

After Gleiwitz, we were taken to a railway station

0:51:390:51:43

and we were put into these open carriages by the...by the Germans

0:51:430:51:49

and we were taken to the next camp.

0:51:490:51:52

Er, so many people actually died on the train

0:51:540:52:00

and we were quite happy actually to throw them out from the train

0:52:000:52:05

because we wanted to have more room to be able to move

0:52:050:52:09

because we were so squeezed together there.

0:52:090:52:13

We passed Vienna, we saw the Prater

0:52:170:52:19

and right away my thoughts were, "What happened to my parents?"

0:52:190:52:23

It was over six years that I didn't see my parents.

0:52:250:52:28

My feeling was, "Will...will I find them live...alive again?"

0:52:320:52:37

-NEWSREEL:

-'Tonight, we're attacking the retreating German army,

0:52:450:52:49

'streaming back into Cologne from the west

0:52:490:52:51

'and hoping to cross the Rhine.'

0:52:510:52:53

'We're circling round now, watching the inferno below us

0:52:570:53:00

'and silhouetted against it,

0:53:000:53:01

'the Lancasters and the Halifaxes making off

0:53:010:53:04

'in the all-revealing light of the moon.'

0:53:040:53:06

Bergen-Belsen - we arrived there

0:53:140:53:17

beginning March 1945.

0:53:170:53:23

We really didn't see any guards.

0:53:260:53:29

They were there but they didn't come into the camp.

0:53:290:53:35

No food was given to us at all,

0:53:390:53:43

I...I remember digging into the ground to get hold of some roots,

0:53:430:53:50

something to eat, because...

0:53:500:53:54

..I never, ever experienced

0:53:560:53:59

a hunger so strong.

0:53:590:54:02

It hurt my...my stomach and my body hurt me from the hunger that we had.

0:54:020:54:10

I saw some young people coming to these bodies

0:54:160:54:22

with sharp stones.

0:54:220:54:24

They went to the bodies to...

0:54:240:54:27

and cut up the flesh of these dead bodies

0:54:270:54:30

and they were able to try to find a fire

0:54:300:54:34

and to roast that flesh from these dead bodies.

0:54:340:54:39

I don't know whether...

0:54:390:54:42

I really don't know whether this was...immoral for me.

0:54:420:54:46

I...I don't think so, but this is something I just couldn't do.

0:54:460:54:51

'I am the officer commanding the regiment of Royal Artillery

0:54:550:55:00

'guarding this camp.

0:55:000:55:01

'Our most unpleasant task has been making the SS,

0:55:010:55:06

'of which there are about 50, bury the dead.

0:55:060:55:10

'Up to press, we've buried about 17,000 people...

0:55:110:55:15

'..and we expect to bury about half as much again.

0:55:170:55:20

'The officers and men regard this job...

0:55:210:55:25

'..as a duty that has to be performed

0:55:260:55:29

'and none of us are likely to forget

0:55:290:55:31

'what the German people have done here.'

0:55:310:55:33

'The British interviewed the prisoners,'

0:55:560:55:59

asking their background and everything and I was asked,

0:55:590:56:03

"Where would you like to go?"

0:56:030:56:05

and naturally I told them, "I want to go to Vienna."

0:56:050:56:08

Er, the officer said, "Vienna is occupied by the Russian troops

0:56:080:56:14

"and we know that no Jews are any more living in Vienna,

0:56:140:56:20

"so you better...

0:56:200:56:22

"don't go to Vienna because you will not find your parents there."

0:56:220:56:26

I only found out what happened

0:56:270:56:29

to my parents

0:56:290:56:30

until after 50 years

0:56:300:56:33

of liberation of Auschwitz.

0:56:330:56:35

In 1995, I was told that my parents

0:56:350:56:40

were deported from Vienna in 1942...

0:56:400:56:44

..and were gassed and cremated

0:56:450:56:48

on 22nd November, 1944...

0:56:480:56:52

..in Auschwitz.

0:56:540:56:56

And I was there in Auschwitz

0:56:580:57:00

but, naturally, I didn't know anything about it.

0:57:000:57:03

'What I went through in my lifetime made me...believe in myself.

0:57:390:57:47

I'm proud to have experienced what I've experienced and, er,

0:57:480:57:54

I'm proud to have been...

0:57:540:57:56

..er, to have fought for my life

0:57:580:58:01

and proud to be able to tell the world what has happened.

0:58:010:58:07

I'm...

0:58:090:58:10

I'm a fantastic guy, I must say!

0:58:100:58:13

I don't know! I shouldn't have said that.

0:58:160:58:19

I'm very proud of myself!

0:58:220:58:24

# Tombe du ciel

0:58:290:58:32

# Je suis tombe du ciel

0:58:330:58:35

# Destin providentiel

0:58:370:58:39

# Car sur la terre

0:58:400:58:42

# Tout est charmant

0:58:450:58:46

# Surtout quand vient l'printemps

0:58:480:58:51

# Et qu'on voit les etangs

0:58:520:58:54

# Pleins de lumiere... #

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