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The whole concept of the Somme is hugely important to the Loyalist community... | 0:00:10 | 0:00:15 | |
Protestant community. | 0:00:15 | 0:00:17 | |
It means so many different things - | 0:00:21 | 0:00:23 | |
sacrifice, loyalty, commitment, pain, sorrow... | 0:00:23 | 0:00:28 | |
..it's so huge. | 0:00:31 | 0:00:33 | |
So really huge within our community. | 0:00:33 | 0:00:36 | |
I think the way the Somme is used by Unionists | 0:00:36 | 0:00:40 | |
is a one-dimensional view of history. | 0:00:40 | 0:00:42 | |
But history is anything but one-dimensional. | 0:00:42 | 0:00:45 | |
It's layered and it's complex. | 0:00:45 | 0:00:46 | |
It has many cul-de-sacs. | 0:00:46 | 0:00:49 | |
It brings you into spaces you didn't want to go in the first place. | 0:00:49 | 0:00:53 | |
I'm prepared to explore because I'm confident. | 0:01:01 | 0:01:05 | |
And Tom's Republicanism isn't contagious. | 0:01:05 | 0:01:07 | |
As an Irish Republican, | 0:01:13 | 0:01:15 | |
I don't adhere to the war aims of the British state. | 0:01:15 | 0:01:18 | |
Nevertheless, I also recognise | 0:01:18 | 0:01:21 | |
that all of those who served on the Western Front, | 0:01:21 | 0:01:26 | |
and who came from this island, are a part of my history. | 0:01:26 | 0:01:29 | |
My sense is there is a change going on within the Irish Republican community about the Great War. | 0:01:34 | 0:01:40 | |
Let's see if I'm right. I'm not going to sit at home and think, "Maybe I'm right." | 0:01:40 | 0:01:45 | |
Let's go and find out. Let's explore. | 0:01:45 | 0:01:47 | |
Switch on the light. | 0:01:48 | 0:01:49 | |
It's quite idyllic at the moment, but I can't imagine what the smell... | 0:02:05 | 0:02:09 | |
-This would have been no-man's-land, wouldn't it? -It would have been. | 0:02:09 | 0:02:12 | |
You'd have got popped from both sides here. | 0:02:12 | 0:02:15 | |
'The first day of the Battle of the Somme was the most costly day | 0:02:15 | 0:02:19 | |
'in the history of the British Army. | 0:02:19 | 0:02:21 | |
'50,000 casualties killed, wounded and missing were sustained on that day.' | 0:02:21 | 0:02:25 | |
The Ulster Division on the first day of the Somme... | 0:02:27 | 0:02:31 | |
The figures are not specific. | 0:02:31 | 0:02:33 | |
But there were over | 0:02:33 | 0:02:34 | |
5,000 casualties in the Ulster Division | 0:02:34 | 0:02:36 | |
killed, wounded or missing. | 0:02:36 | 0:02:38 | |
There were over 2,000 of those dead. | 0:02:38 | 0:02:40 | |
This is Connaught Cemetery, | 0:02:40 | 0:02:43 | |
in a front line right by Thiepval Wood. | 0:02:43 | 0:02:46 | |
And so is this where they came out to face the German lines? | 0:02:47 | 0:02:51 | |
I understand they burst out of there at 7.30am and attempt to traverse | 0:02:51 | 0:02:57 | |
right to left up Schwaben Redoubt which was held by the Germans. | 0:02:57 | 0:03:02 | |
How many men are in this cemetery? | 0:03:02 | 0:03:05 | |
-I think there's about 1,500 here. -1,500?! | 0:03:05 | 0:03:07 | |
The British attack was across a long stretch of about 15 miles - | 0:03:09 | 0:03:13 | |
something over 15 miles of the front. | 0:03:13 | 0:03:15 | |
And the British divisions were set along this, | 0:03:15 | 0:03:18 | |
including the Ulster Division, opposite Thiepval which was very heavily defended. | 0:03:18 | 0:03:25 | |
A good many people were under the impression | 0:03:30 | 0:03:33 | |
that the Ulster Division attacked Thiepval village. | 0:03:33 | 0:03:36 | |
They didn't. | 0:03:36 | 0:03:37 | |
It was the 32nd Division on the right | 0:03:37 | 0:03:39 | |
that was to take Thiepval Village. | 0:03:39 | 0:03:41 | |
Over on the left, the 29th Division, | 0:03:41 | 0:03:44 | |
they were to take Beaumont Hamel, | 0:03:44 | 0:03:46 | |
and we were dead in the centre. | 0:03:46 | 0:03:48 | |
The Ulstermen came out of Thiepval Wood towards the German position. | 0:03:53 | 0:03:58 | |
At 7.30am on 1st July, that's when they set off across no-man's land | 0:03:58 | 0:04:05 | |
towards the German positions. | 0:04:05 | 0:04:07 | |
SHELLS AND MORTAR FIRE | 0:04:08 | 0:04:11 | |
So many young men killed. | 0:04:21 | 0:04:24 | |
There was nothing we could do to help them. | 0:04:24 | 0:04:27 | |
They were falling around you but you weren't allowed to stop. | 0:04:27 | 0:04:31 | |
You just had to keep going. | 0:04:31 | 0:04:32 | |
So many young men killed... | 0:04:34 | 0:04:36 | |
Blown to pieces. | 0:04:37 | 0:04:39 | |
The young people laying here are from the laneways and roadways | 0:04:50 | 0:04:55 | |
of the society that I come from. | 0:04:55 | 0:04:57 | |
Innocent, virtuous. | 0:04:57 | 0:05:00 | |
Simply on the basis that they'd never been anywhere. | 0:05:00 | 0:05:03 | |
Never travelled any great distance to be plucked from their homes | 0:05:04 | 0:05:08 | |
and planted down... | 0:05:08 | 0:05:10 | |
willing, in the most part, to do for king and country. | 0:05:10 | 0:05:16 | |
I think one has to say that what happened to them... | 0:05:17 | 0:05:21 | |
absolutely incredible, and I mean incredible. | 0:05:21 | 0:05:25 | |
-See, they came up here. -They came out of the wood behind us. | 0:05:27 | 0:05:31 | |
-And I imagine it was right across... -A whole line of men. | 0:05:31 | 0:05:34 | |
-Yeah. -Aye. | 0:05:34 | 0:05:35 | |
I suppose their sense was that there are plenty of us | 0:05:36 | 0:05:40 | |
and here we go... | 0:05:40 | 0:05:42 | |
-The enemy have been softened up with a bombardment. -Yes. | 0:05:43 | 0:05:46 | |
But the enemy weren't softened up. | 0:05:46 | 0:05:49 | |
The offensive had been preceded by more than a week's bombardment. | 0:05:49 | 0:05:55 | |
The British high command, and the ordinary British soldier, | 0:05:55 | 0:05:58 | |
had put their faith in the guns, | 0:05:58 | 0:06:00 | |
the 1,500 guns that had fired off millions of shells for a week, | 0:06:00 | 0:06:05 | |
that it would have destroyed the German positions and cut the wire. | 0:06:05 | 0:06:10 | |
In fact, although there were more guns than before, | 0:06:15 | 0:06:18 | |
and the bombardment was bigger than ever before, | 0:06:18 | 0:06:20 | |
it wasn't enough. | 0:06:20 | 0:06:22 | |
It neither destroyed the German position sufficiently well, | 0:06:22 | 0:06:25 | |
nor did it cut the wire. | 0:06:25 | 0:06:27 | |
This local battalion here, the 12th Rifles, | 0:06:32 | 0:06:35 | |
they had the longest stretch of no-man's-land to cross over. | 0:06:35 | 0:06:39 | |
So, they made three charges, | 0:06:39 | 0:06:41 | |
and of course they were slaughtered every time they went out. | 0:06:41 | 0:06:44 | |
In Ballyclare alone that day, out of the small community we had there, | 0:06:44 | 0:06:49 | |
there were 30 men killed and over 100 wounded. | 0:06:49 | 0:06:52 | |
You know, that was awful. | 0:06:52 | 0:06:54 | |
An awful total for such a small community. | 0:06:54 | 0:06:57 | |
Well, isn't it strange that those who did come back didn't want to talk about it? | 0:07:02 | 0:07:07 | |
-Yeah. -That the horror of it was so deep in them... | 0:07:08 | 0:07:13 | |
You could not not be traumatised by this. | 0:07:13 | 0:07:17 | |
Or brutalised by this. | 0:07:17 | 0:07:19 | |
-And the sense of, in living colour, man's inhumanity to man. -Mm. | 0:07:19 | 0:07:25 | |
Walking through a butcher's shop. | 0:07:25 | 0:07:27 | |
All of that had to have its.. | 0:07:28 | 0:07:30 | |
huge effect on the psychological outcomes. | 0:07:30 | 0:07:34 | |
And then they headed up towards... | 0:07:35 | 0:07:39 | |
-Schwaben Redoubt. -..Redoubt. | 0:07:39 | 0:07:42 | |
There was a good big fortress that the Germans had built. | 0:07:47 | 0:07:50 | |
They said it couldn't be taken and they were quite definite about that. | 0:07:50 | 0:07:53 | |
Our army commanders were of the same opinion | 0:07:54 | 0:07:57 | |
but it had to be attacked. | 0:07:57 | 0:07:59 | |
And the most peculiar thing about the Somme battle that day, | 0:07:59 | 0:08:03 | |
was the Ulster Division was the only one who reached its objective. | 0:08:03 | 0:08:08 | |
Out of all the divisions that took part in the Somme on that first day, | 0:08:08 | 0:08:11 | |
and they took the place that wasn't supposed to be able to be taken - the Schwaben Redoubt. | 0:08:11 | 0:08:16 | |
In some cases, some of the Ulster units had gone so quickly forwards | 0:08:25 | 0:08:29 | |
that they hadn't mopped up the German trenches behind them. | 0:08:29 | 0:08:32 | |
So they were left very badly positioned, | 0:08:32 | 0:08:35 | |
they were left high and dry without support on each flank. | 0:08:35 | 0:08:39 | |
The divisions to the right of them, the divisions to the left, | 0:08:39 | 0:08:42 | |
did not secure their objectives. | 0:08:42 | 0:08:45 | |
That meant the Ulstermen were open to enfilade fire... | 0:08:45 | 0:08:49 | |
what the soldiers called... from the side. | 0:08:49 | 0:08:52 | |
In my company, | 0:09:02 | 0:09:03 | |
there was only four men left after the battle, including me. | 0:09:03 | 0:09:08 | |
It was terrible | 0:09:09 | 0:09:10 | |
seeing all those young men being slaughtered. | 0:09:10 | 0:09:13 | |
Many of my friends died that day. | 0:09:14 | 0:09:16 | |
They were falling at my feet. | 0:09:17 | 0:09:20 | |
But you couldn't stop. You had to keep moving. | 0:09:20 | 0:09:23 | |
It was terrible. | 0:09:25 | 0:09:26 | |
I was wounded by some shrapnel, but it wasn't too bad. | 0:09:28 | 0:09:31 | |
I was one of the lucky ones. | 0:09:31 | 0:09:33 | |
How we all weren't killed is a mystery. | 0:09:35 | 0:09:37 | |
I suppose it was just luck. | 0:09:39 | 0:09:41 | |
But many weren't so lucky. | 0:09:42 | 0:09:44 | |
What happened here had such a dreadful impact... | 0:09:51 | 0:09:55 | |
..on the streets of the Shankill... | 0:09:56 | 0:09:58 | |
..and the Loyalist areas of the north. | 0:09:59 | 0:10:02 | |
Well, we didn't have CNN or... | 0:10:03 | 0:10:05 | |
The newspapers would have got bits and pieces, | 0:10:05 | 0:10:07 | |
-but then the telegrams started arriving. -Yes. | 0:10:07 | 0:10:10 | |
-It must have been awful to see a postman turn into your street. -Aye. | 0:10:10 | 0:10:13 | |
You know, was he going to your door? | 0:10:14 | 0:10:15 | |
You have the harrowing tale of the three Cumber brothers | 0:10:17 | 0:10:22 | |
who probably had never been further than Ballygowan in their lives, | 0:10:22 | 0:10:28 | |
and here they are at the Somme | 0:10:28 | 0:10:32 | |
and they were killed instantly, | 0:10:32 | 0:10:34 | |
together, by the same shell. | 0:10:34 | 0:10:37 | |
Just wiped out. | 0:10:38 | 0:10:40 | |
Their names are on the cenotaph in Cumber. | 0:10:40 | 0:10:42 | |
I think it's awful. Just the sense that this just...wiped out. Gone. | 0:10:42 | 0:10:48 | |
Gone. Never to give seed. | 0:10:48 | 0:10:52 | |
A lineage just stopped. | 0:10:52 | 0:10:56 | |
And a war that they didn't understand. | 0:10:56 | 0:11:00 | |
"Ah, duty, we'll be there, we'll do...we'll follow..." | 0:11:00 | 0:11:03 | |
I couldn't have understood that. And here they are - gone. Just... | 0:11:04 | 0:11:07 | |
Maybe there is some poignancy | 0:11:09 | 0:11:10 | |
in a cemetery being at both the bottom and top of the hill. | 0:11:10 | 0:11:13 | |
I suppose it's where they started - at the bottom. | 0:11:13 | 0:11:18 | |
-This one's at Schwaben Redoubt. -Yes. | 0:11:18 | 0:11:22 | |
And the Mill Road cemetery. | 0:11:22 | 0:11:25 | |
-How many people did you say were...? -I think it was about 1,300 soldiers buried... | 0:11:25 | 0:11:29 | |
..in this cemetery. | 0:11:30 | 0:11:32 | |
-In a sense, the root of the battle is to be seen in these stones. -Absolutely. | 0:11:34 | 0:11:39 | |
-Isn't it? From 1st July. -Royal Irish Rifles. | 0:11:39 | 0:11:43 | |
-What's his name? -T Halliday - a rifleman. | 0:11:43 | 0:11:47 | |
I don't comprehend... I can't comprehend. | 0:11:49 | 0:11:53 | |
And yet, I can comprehend better standing here on the terrain, | 0:11:53 | 0:11:57 | |
seeing those names, better than I could before I came. | 0:11:57 | 0:12:03 | |
There's a few insignia. What are they? Royal Irish Rifles? | 0:12:04 | 0:12:09 | |
-Yeah. -Toman. Aye. Royal Irish Rifles. | 0:12:09 | 0:12:12 | |
-It's a Newry name, Toman. -Is that where that...? | 0:12:12 | 0:12:14 | |
Aye. We had a lot of Tomans in Newry. Watson... | 0:12:14 | 0:12:17 | |
I, of course, don't adhere to the war aims or the political aims | 0:12:17 | 0:12:22 | |
of a British Government during the First World War. | 0:12:22 | 0:12:25 | |
But I do have a sense here this morning of the loss and the tragedy | 0:12:25 | 0:12:33 | |
that is represented here for Ireland, | 0:12:33 | 0:12:35 | |
on this hill. | 0:12:35 | 0:12:37 | |
If this isn't about the tragedy of war and the futility of violence, | 0:12:39 | 0:12:45 | |
then I'm not sure anybody knows what is. | 0:12:45 | 0:12:48 | |
I come at it from a very political sense, | 0:12:50 | 0:12:53 | |
and seeing this entirety of the Somme experience | 0:12:53 | 0:12:57 | |
to the Unionist community, | 0:12:57 | 0:12:59 | |
it must be very difficult to put that in the context | 0:12:59 | 0:13:03 | |
of the waste of life that took place here on 1st July 1916. | 0:13:03 | 0:13:08 | |
I think there is a piece that needs added as a caveat to all of this. | 0:13:10 | 0:13:15 | |
The Ulstermen didn't die here alone. | 0:13:15 | 0:13:18 | |
And they died in their large numbers, all of them... | 0:13:18 | 0:13:21 | |
..because that's the way the world worked. | 0:13:23 | 0:13:25 | |
So there are lots of... It isn't the simplicity of saying those lives were wasted, | 0:13:26 | 0:13:32 | |
because that's true, and they were. | 0:13:32 | 0:13:34 | |
Doesn't stop one appreciating the determination, the strength, | 0:13:34 | 0:13:39 | |
the valour that was shown by people, | 0:13:39 | 0:13:44 | |
but does connotate for me | 0:13:44 | 0:13:48 | |
how the cannon fodder dies on the whim or the patheticism | 0:13:48 | 0:13:55 | |
of someone else's politics. | 0:13:55 | 0:13:57 | |
They were primarily drawn from the Protestant community. | 0:14:08 | 0:14:13 | |
Many of them, if not most of them, | 0:14:13 | 0:14:16 | |
had served in the Ulster Volunteer Force, which had been established before the war | 0:14:16 | 0:14:21 | |
to secure Ulster within the Union. | 0:14:21 | 0:14:24 | |
An armed, paramilitary force. So they had some military experience. | 0:14:24 | 0:14:28 | |
We're talking here about people who had no concept of the issue of decommissioning. | 0:14:33 | 0:14:38 | |
And who indeed behaved in a traitorous fashion | 0:14:39 | 0:14:44 | |
towards British authority when they ran guns in to Northern Ireland | 0:14:44 | 0:14:49 | |
to defend what they believed to be their freedom, religion and laws. | 0:14:49 | 0:14:54 | |
They would have fought Britain. | 0:14:57 | 0:14:59 | |
Be under no illusion about that, they would have fought Britain. | 0:14:59 | 0:15:03 | |
And then ended up going to fight FOR Britain. | 0:15:03 | 0:15:05 | |
There is a line that people try to extend from the Somme | 0:15:12 | 0:15:19 | |
through to our current conditions. | 0:15:19 | 0:15:21 | |
And in that respect... I hold my hand up, | 0:15:22 | 0:15:27 | |
I was a member of the Ulster Volunteer Force. | 0:15:27 | 0:15:30 | |
A modern-day group of people with the same attitudes in terms of duty | 0:15:30 | 0:15:35 | |
and sense, whether you like them or don't like them. | 0:15:35 | 0:15:38 | |
But there is a fundamental difference. | 0:15:40 | 0:15:41 | |
Those men were legitimate. | 0:15:52 | 0:15:55 | |
They were legitimate. | 0:15:55 | 0:15:56 | |
That was a legitimate battle that they took place in from their own context. | 0:15:56 | 0:16:00 | |
It is not the same as a dirty, | 0:16:01 | 0:16:03 | |
stinking little war that we have taken that line from. | 0:16:03 | 0:16:09 | |
There is a difference - a huge difference. | 0:16:09 | 0:16:12 | |
Well, their war was, "Here we are, we're up front, we know you're there, we know we're here..." | 0:16:22 | 0:16:29 | |
"..and our intent is not good towards each other." | 0:16:31 | 0:16:34 | |
Our war was very much about skulking in hedgerows. | 0:16:34 | 0:16:38 | |
About shooting people in the back of the head, rather than advancing towards them. | 0:16:38 | 0:16:43 | |
It has been a dirty, stinking little war | 0:16:46 | 0:16:49 | |
and whilst there are similarities | 0:16:49 | 0:16:51 | |
in terms of human sentiment about why one does one's duty... | 0:16:51 | 0:16:55 | |
..I won't besmirch the name of the 36th Ulster Division, | 0:16:56 | 0:17:00 | |
by suggesting they were the same. | 0:17:00 | 0:17:02 | |
When you go down the Western Front, | 0:17:11 | 0:17:13 | |
you can see where these people fell because the British Army's policy | 0:17:13 | 0:17:18 | |
was to bury the casualties as close to where they died as possible. | 0:17:18 | 0:17:23 | |
Today, these are unbearably beautiful places, | 0:17:24 | 0:17:28 | |
places of peace and stillness in a landscape that seems untouched by war. | 0:17:28 | 0:17:34 | |
And yet, if you look, when you get to the top of the hill and by the Ulster tower, | 0:17:34 | 0:17:39 | |
there is a huge memorial to the missing at Thiepval. | 0:17:39 | 0:17:43 | |
On that huge memorial are 73,000 names of people | 0:17:44 | 0:17:49 | |
who have no known grave. | 0:17:49 | 0:17:50 | |
That have simply disappeared - they were blown to smithereens, | 0:17:50 | 0:17:54 | |
either on the 1st July or on the days, weeks, months that followed. | 0:17:54 | 0:17:59 | |
All of these monuments to that period | 0:18:01 | 0:18:05 | |
are an indictment of failure. | 0:18:05 | 0:18:08 | |
As a Republican, particularly in the context of the waste of Irish lives, | 0:18:08 | 0:18:15 | |
that in a sense is being confirmed for me today. | 0:18:15 | 0:18:19 | |
Where I make contact, first of all, is because I am here. | 0:18:22 | 0:18:26 | |
I think it's around the common humanity of the ordinary soldier, | 0:18:26 | 0:18:31 | |
but also in the suffering of his family, | 0:18:31 | 0:18:33 | |
and the residue that was left in Ireland from these battlefields. | 0:18:33 | 0:18:40 | |
The sorrow and the pain of loss. | 0:18:40 | 0:18:42 | |
David was talking about families waiting or worrying, | 0:18:45 | 0:18:50 | |
or not wanting the postman to call. | 0:18:50 | 0:18:53 | |
But it must have been whole streets | 0:18:53 | 0:18:55 | |
that were afraid when they saw a postman. | 0:18:55 | 0:18:59 | |
Indeed, the telegrams that came from here, didn't just go to the Shankill Road. | 0:19:00 | 0:19:05 | |
They went to Dublin, they went to the Falls Road, | 0:19:05 | 0:19:08 | |
they went all over Ireland. | 0:19:08 | 0:19:09 | |
SHELLS AND MORTAR FIRE | 0:19:11 | 0:19:14 | |
The biggest Irish myth about the Somme, | 0:19:27 | 0:19:30 | |
is that only Protestants and only Unionists fought and died there... | 0:19:30 | 0:19:36 | |
that only Ulster-Protestant blood was shed for the war effort on the Somme. | 0:19:36 | 0:19:43 | |
In fact, many thousands of Irishmen, from the north and south, | 0:19:48 | 0:19:52 | |
Protestants and Catholics, Unionists and Nationalists, fought there | 0:19:52 | 0:19:56 | |
and died there for a variety of reasons, | 0:19:56 | 0:20:00 | |
but they did so believing that what they were doing was the right thing. | 0:20:00 | 0:20:05 | |
I only learned in later life that really it was only ever from my community's point of view, | 0:20:05 | 0:20:12 | |
or at least it seemed that way, that it was only ever about the 36th Ulster Division. | 0:20:12 | 0:20:17 | |
And the 10th and 16th were never mentioned. | 0:20:17 | 0:20:19 | |
Northern Catholics joined the British Army | 0:20:22 | 0:20:26 | |
almost as willingly as their Protestant compatriots in Ireland. | 0:20:26 | 0:20:32 | |
Particularly working-class Catholics from West Belfast. | 0:20:32 | 0:20:36 | |
They didn't, however, join the Ulster Division. | 0:20:36 | 0:20:38 | |
They might not have wanted to join the Ulster Division, | 0:20:38 | 0:20:41 | |
even if they'd been asked. | 0:20:41 | 0:20:43 | |
So the Catholics of West Belfast joined the 6th Battalion, the Connaught Rangers. | 0:20:43 | 0:20:47 | |
The Catholics of the glens of Antrim joined the Cameronians - | 0:20:47 | 0:20:50 | |
they went across to Scotland and joined the Cameronians. | 0:20:50 | 0:20:53 | |
So what you find is that the politics of Ireland found its way | 0:20:53 | 0:21:00 | |
onto the battlefield of the Somme. | 0:21:00 | 0:21:02 | |
In early September, they were involved in an operation to capture two villages, | 0:21:03 | 0:21:08 | |
called Guillemont and Ginchy. | 0:21:08 | 0:21:10 | |
They secured their objectives, | 0:21:10 | 0:21:13 | |
though at the cost of about 2,000 casualties. | 0:21:13 | 0:21:17 | |
"For the glory of God | 0:21:17 | 0:21:19 | |
"and the glory of Ireland" in Gaelic. | 0:21:19 | 0:21:21 | |
"In commemoration of the victories of Guillemont and Ginchy, 1916. | 0:21:22 | 0:21:26 | |
"In memory of those who fell therein and all the Irishmen who gave their lives in the Great War, | 0:21:26 | 0:21:31 | |
"rest in peace." | 0:21:31 | 0:21:33 | |
Well, of course, they were Irishmen, | 0:21:33 | 0:21:36 | |
and they were encouraged to join the British Army by Redmond, | 0:21:36 | 0:21:43 | |
on the basis that the First World War was a struggle for the independence of small nations. | 0:21:43 | 0:21:48 | |
Indeed, was a struggle for Irish independence. | 0:21:48 | 0:21:52 | |
Remember, home rule had been delayed because of the First World War. | 0:21:52 | 0:21:58 | |
And most of these men expected home rule to be put in place | 0:21:58 | 0:22:02 | |
after the war was over. | 0:22:02 | 0:22:05 | |
Tom Kettle was one of the Nationalists. | 0:22:07 | 0:22:09 | |
He had been an MP who fought with the 16th Irish Division | 0:22:09 | 0:22:13 | |
in the Battle of the Somme and died there as well. | 0:22:13 | 0:22:16 | |
And he, reflecting after the Easter Rising, | 0:22:16 | 0:22:20 | |
after fellow Nationalists - men who he had been associated with... | 0:22:20 | 0:22:25 | |
among them were friends of his. | 0:22:25 | 0:22:27 | |
He said they will be remembered, those who fought in Dublin in 1916 | 0:22:27 | 0:22:31 | |
will be remembered as heroes. | 0:22:31 | 0:22:33 | |
"If I'm remembered at all," he said, "it will be simply as a bloody British officer." | 0:22:33 | 0:22:39 | |
There can't have been anything more upsetting and painful | 0:22:50 | 0:22:54 | |
than to have returned home from the hell of this | 0:22:54 | 0:22:57 | |
into a society where you were an alien. | 0:22:57 | 0:23:00 | |
And there are comparisons made between the returning Irish and the Vietnam veterans. | 0:23:05 | 0:23:12 | |
That there was no heroes' welcome. | 0:23:12 | 0:23:14 | |
In a way, I think it's worse than that. | 0:23:16 | 0:23:19 | |
They became part of non-history. They were just airbrushed out of history. | 0:23:19 | 0:23:23 | |
Although many of them came back and joined the IRA. | 0:23:23 | 0:23:27 | |
Many would have come back and joined the new Free State Army. | 0:23:27 | 0:23:30 | |
The First World War had not only changed the world, | 0:23:32 | 0:23:35 | |
but it had also changed Ireland. | 0:23:35 | 0:23:37 | |
Home rule had been delayed. | 0:23:39 | 0:23:41 | |
The 1916 rebellion, the Easter rebellion, had taken place... | 0:23:41 | 0:23:44 | |
There was the beginnings of the War of Independence. | 0:23:45 | 0:23:51 | |
And they came back to an Ireland | 0:23:52 | 0:23:54 | |
that really didn't want to know about them or their sacrifice. | 0:23:54 | 0:23:58 | |
There was what you might call a national amnesia. | 0:24:02 | 0:24:05 | |
Or a Nationalist amnesia. | 0:24:05 | 0:24:07 | |
There was no Unionist amnesia | 0:24:07 | 0:24:09 | |
because the exploits of the 36th Ulster Division were celebrated and commemorated continually, | 0:24:09 | 0:24:15 | |
and became part of the "creation myth" of Northern Ireland. | 0:24:15 | 0:24:21 | |
"We have died for the Union, we have died for the British Empire, | 0:24:21 | 0:24:24 | |
"we will remain within the United Kingdom." | 0:24:24 | 0:24:26 | |
It is that sacrifice which then is used | 0:24:26 | 0:24:31 | |
by the early Unionist governments | 0:24:31 | 0:24:35 | |
as a means of consolidating Unionist identity. | 0:24:35 | 0:24:42 | |
This is what we paid in our blood to defend Empire. | 0:24:42 | 0:24:45 | |
It is loyalty to Empire. | 0:24:47 | 0:24:50 | |
And therefore, it is that theme that Unionist governments | 0:24:50 | 0:24:55 | |
begin to weave into the fabric of Unionist life. | 0:24:55 | 0:24:59 | |
I think that I feel British. | 0:25:03 | 0:25:06 | |
I can't imagine that I should factor in whether I feel more British because these people died, | 0:25:06 | 0:25:11 | |
or whether I would have felt less British had they lived. | 0:25:11 | 0:25:15 | |
I think at the end of the day, the waste that we see here | 0:25:15 | 0:25:21 | |
has had an effect on the society that I live in. | 0:25:21 | 0:25:25 | |
When our leadership was constantly complaining, "Well, look what we did for you..." | 0:25:28 | 0:25:32 | |
As the years go on, it was, "Look what my father did for you." | 0:25:32 | 0:25:35 | |
And then, "Look what my grandfather did for you." | 0:25:35 | 0:25:37 | |
Then there comes a time when that isn't able to be said. | 0:25:37 | 0:25:41 | |
I think we need to stand on our own two feet... | 0:25:41 | 0:25:43 | |
Stop using this sacrifice but fully understand this sacrifice | 0:25:44 | 0:25:49 | |
as the cannon fodder that happens when the world gets it wrong. | 0:25:49 | 0:25:54 | |
When we fixate on our narrow politics about why we're here, | 0:25:54 | 0:25:58 | |
then what we do, is perhaps we maybe give some reason or excuse almost, | 0:25:58 | 0:26:04 | |
for this cannon fodder. | 0:26:04 | 0:26:05 | |
SHELLS AND MORTAR FIRE | 0:26:06 | 0:26:10 | |
At the battle of Messines, in June 1917, | 0:26:17 | 0:26:21 | |
the 36th Ulster Division and the 16th Irish Division | 0:26:21 | 0:26:25 | |
fought alongside each other for the first time. | 0:26:25 | 0:26:29 | |
Messines was much better planned. | 0:26:36 | 0:26:38 | |
We had more experience. | 0:26:38 | 0:26:39 | |
Somme was our first real taste of action. | 0:26:40 | 0:26:42 | |
And it taught us a lot. | 0:26:44 | 0:26:46 | |
One of the reasons why Messines was such a success, | 0:26:50 | 0:26:53 | |
was that the British generals who planned it were beginning to get the technical details right. | 0:26:53 | 0:27:00 | |
They placed a series of huge mines deep underground - | 0:27:00 | 0:27:06 | |
there were 21 of these. | 0:27:06 | 0:27:07 | |
About a million pounds of high explosive. | 0:27:07 | 0:27:11 | |
And at the moment of the offensive starting, these mines are let off. | 0:27:11 | 0:27:17 | |
LOUD EXPLOSION | 0:27:17 | 0:27:19 | |
The noise would have deafened you. | 0:27:22 | 0:27:25 | |
And you couldn't see a thing in front of you - what with the black smoke. | 0:27:25 | 0:27:29 | |
Some of the men were blown off their feet as they went forward, | 0:27:29 | 0:27:32 | |
but I don't think anyone was seriously hurt. | 0:27:32 | 0:27:34 | |
I was lucky at Messines. | 0:27:36 | 0:27:37 | |
Our gas blew back into our own lines. | 0:27:39 | 0:27:42 | |
And a lot of the men suffered from it. | 0:27:42 | 0:27:44 | |
The gas masks weren't very good then. | 0:27:45 | 0:27:47 | |
The point of the battle of Messines was to capture the high hills, the plateau - | 0:27:54 | 0:28:00 | |
it's not very high - next to Ypres in Messines, which dominated the battlefield. | 0:28:00 | 0:28:05 | |
And the Ulster Division and the 16th Irish Division | 0:28:05 | 0:28:09 | |
were given the job of capturing a village called Wytschaete, | 0:28:09 | 0:28:14 | |
or "White Sheet" they called it, which they did very successfully. | 0:28:14 | 0:28:19 | |
There's a road going up into the village | 0:28:22 | 0:28:24 | |
in which the Ulster Division are on one side, | 0:28:24 | 0:28:27 | |
and the 16th Irish Division were on the other side. | 0:28:27 | 0:28:29 | |
And we were sitting in a ring at the entrance to White Sheet, | 0:28:33 | 0:28:36 | |
that was at the beginning of the Battle of Messines. | 0:28:36 | 0:28:39 | |
And I says, "Boys, the crack's great but I'm away for a smoke!" | 0:28:39 | 0:28:43 | |
And I went inside, there was little notches that you could sit in, | 0:28:43 | 0:28:47 | |
so I sat down there and had a smoke. | 0:28:47 | 0:28:49 | |
And I wasn't smoking two minutes, when a high velocity shell burst in the centre of them. | 0:28:49 | 0:28:55 | |
There wasn't a man living. Only myself. | 0:28:57 | 0:29:00 | |
And I was buried up to my waist. | 0:29:00 | 0:29:02 | |
And deaf. For six or seven months, I heard nothing. | 0:29:02 | 0:29:06 | |
And eight dead men - and I was the only one alive. | 0:29:08 | 0:29:12 | |
We saw the same types of headstones down at the Somme, | 0:29:16 | 0:29:20 | |
where both those brave groups of men are represented. | 0:29:20 | 0:29:23 | |
But I found it almost more moving here, | 0:29:27 | 0:29:31 | |
in the sense that it was together. | 0:29:31 | 0:29:34 | |
And as they lie here together, I'd love the luxury of being able to ask a question. | 0:29:36 | 0:29:43 | |
Was it worth it? | 0:29:43 | 0:29:45 | |
Was what you did together, was it worth it? | 0:29:45 | 0:29:48 | |
My mate, big John Hunter... | 0:29:57 | 0:30:00 | |
was wounded in the arm at the Somme on 1st July. | 0:30:00 | 0:30:03 | |
He went out again to the front... | 0:30:04 | 0:30:05 | |
..but he got killed at White Sheet. | 0:30:07 | 0:30:09 | |
He gave me his watch. | 0:30:11 | 0:30:13 | |
Something told him that he was going to get killed that night. | 0:30:14 | 0:30:18 | |
Says I to him, "Have a bit of sense. Nobody knows that." | 0:30:18 | 0:30:21 | |
But he had it in his head. | 0:30:22 | 0:30:24 | |
"See, I'm going to get it up here tonight." | 0:30:25 | 0:30:29 | |
And, by God, he did get it. | 0:30:33 | 0:30:35 | |
-The 16th Irish Division... -Yeah. | 0:30:42 | 0:30:44 | |
..fought with valour. | 0:30:44 | 0:30:46 | |
Whatever their national perspective, whatever their religion, | 0:30:47 | 0:30:51 | |
the words that stick in my mind for the people who lie here is that, | 0:30:51 | 0:30:56 | |
"They shall grow not old as we that are left grow old." | 0:30:56 | 0:31:00 | |
"Age shall not weary them, | 0:31:01 | 0:31:03 | |
"nor the years condemn." | 0:31:03 | 0:31:05 | |
"At the going down of the sun and in the morning, | 0:31:06 | 0:31:10 | |
"we will remember them." | 0:31:10 | 0:31:12 | |
The mine crater is now full of water. | 0:31:23 | 0:31:26 | |
It's a nicer place now than it was then. | 0:31:26 | 0:31:29 | |
So...peaceful. | 0:31:29 | 0:31:32 | |
But very sad. | 0:31:34 | 0:31:36 | |
See, in that cemetery | 0:31:37 | 0:31:38 | |
were so many men from the Rifles buried there. | 0:31:38 | 0:31:42 | |
But they are at peace now. | 0:31:43 | 0:31:44 | |
"Royal Irish Rifles". | 0:31:54 | 0:31:57 | |
-"7th June... -19... | 0:31:57 | 0:32:00 | |
"Known to be buried in the cemetery". | 0:32:00 | 0:32:02 | |
My God. Look at this one. | 0:32:05 | 0:32:06 | |
-"William TH Bridgett". -That's the one you talked about. | 0:32:06 | 0:32:10 | |
"Royal Irish Rifles. 7th June, aged 20". | 0:32:10 | 0:32:13 | |
"Better to go out with honour | 0:32:13 | 0:32:15 | |
"than to survive with shame". | 0:32:15 | 0:32:17 | |
Why this stone is important to me | 0:32:17 | 0:32:19 | |
is his mother, Annie Bridgett, is buried in the City Cemetery. | 0:32:19 | 0:32:24 | |
Oh, right. | 0:32:24 | 0:32:26 | |
'Well, I do it for West Belfast during the West Belfast Festival.' | 0:32:26 | 0:32:32 | |
I used to go into Milltown Cemetery and do the Republican graves, | 0:32:32 | 0:32:35 | |
until one day I said to myself, "I don't go into the City Cemetery." | 0:32:35 | 0:32:38 | |
So I started to go into the City Cemetery. | 0:32:38 | 0:32:41 | |
What I started to come across | 0:32:43 | 0:32:45 | |
was family inscriptions | 0:32:45 | 0:32:47 | |
of First World War soldiers, | 0:32:47 | 0:32:49 | |
and I've come across about 70 of these inscriptions. | 0:32:49 | 0:32:52 | |
One of the graves that I do on my tour | 0:32:54 | 0:32:57 | |
is a woman called Annie Bridgett. | 0:32:57 | 0:32:59 | |
On her stone, it says, "Ireland's first grand mistress. | 0:33:02 | 0:33:06 | |
"Ireland's first women's Orange Lodge". | 0:33:06 | 0:33:09 | |
But on the side of the stone, | 0:33:09 | 0:33:12 | |
there is an inscription to her son, William Bridgett, | 0:33:12 | 0:33:15 | |
who was killed at Messines. | 0:33:15 | 0:33:17 | |
And it's this, in a way, so an Orangewoman... | 0:33:19 | 0:33:22 | |
leads me into the First World War | 0:33:22 | 0:33:24 | |
and then leads me into the broader picture | 0:33:24 | 0:33:27 | |
of Irish service in the British Army during the First World War. | 0:33:27 | 0:33:32 | |
And that's why I think history is exciting, | 0:33:32 | 0:33:35 | |
because you start off at point A | 0:33:35 | 0:33:37 | |
but you don't quite know where you're going to end up. | 0:33:37 | 0:33:41 | |
And so for me, | 0:33:43 | 0:33:45 | |
it really makes something very real here, | 0:33:45 | 0:33:50 | |
in that there's a bridge between this spot here, | 0:33:50 | 0:33:53 | |
and this grave | 0:33:53 | 0:33:56 | |
and the grave in the City Cemetery on the Falls Road. | 0:33:56 | 0:33:59 | |
Amazing. | 0:33:59 | 0:34:00 | |
-It's another piece of that history that... -Yeah. Our connection. | 0:34:00 | 0:34:03 | |
Two months after the Battle of Messines, | 0:34:06 | 0:34:09 | |
the Ulster Division and the 16th Irish Division | 0:34:09 | 0:34:13 | |
fought together for the second and last time at Langemark, | 0:34:13 | 0:34:18 | |
which was one of those series of engagements | 0:34:18 | 0:34:20 | |
which collectively make up the Battle of Passchendaele. | 0:34:20 | 0:34:23 | |
And Passchendaele is, after the Somme, | 0:34:23 | 0:34:26 | |
the most terrible of all the battles of the Western Front. | 0:34:26 | 0:34:29 | |
SHELLS AND MORTAR FIRE | 0:34:29 | 0:34:32 | |
And there, both the Ulster Division and the 16th Irish Division | 0:34:34 | 0:34:37 | |
were torn to bits. | 0:34:37 | 0:34:38 | |
The Ypres battlefield just represented | 0:34:45 | 0:34:48 | |
one gigantic slough of despond | 0:34:48 | 0:34:50 | |
into which floundered battalions, brigades | 0:34:50 | 0:34:54 | |
and divisions of infantry without end | 0:34:54 | 0:34:56 | |
to be shot to pieces or drowned | 0:34:56 | 0:34:59 | |
until at last, and with immeasurable slaughter, | 0:34:59 | 0:35:03 | |
we had gained a few miles of liquid mud. | 0:35:03 | 0:35:07 | |
I'm numbed by what I find here. | 0:35:22 | 0:35:26 | |
There's 12,000 soldiers buried in this graveyard | 0:35:26 | 0:35:28 | |
and another 34,000 whose names are on the screen wall at the back of the cemetery, | 0:35:28 | 0:35:33 | |
and their remains couldn't be found. | 0:35:33 | 0:35:35 | |
And one gets the sense the more I see | 0:35:42 | 0:35:44 | |
of Ypres and the Ypres salient, and indeed the Western Front, | 0:35:44 | 0:35:49 | |
the more I get a sense of thousands and thousands of men | 0:35:49 | 0:35:53 | |
just being poured into a vast mixing machine. | 0:35:53 | 0:35:56 | |
SHELLS AND MORTAR FIRE | 0:35:56 | 0:35:58 | |
One fella, lying down, | 0:36:03 | 0:36:05 | |
I'll never forget the words he said. | 0:36:05 | 0:36:09 | |
"Aye," he says, "how you feeling?" | 0:36:09 | 0:36:11 | |
"Not too well," he says. | 0:36:12 | 0:36:13 | |
"Do you know what I want?" he says. | 0:36:15 | 0:36:17 | |
"I want the Lord to take me out of here." | 0:36:17 | 0:36:20 | |
I find it hugely emotional. | 0:36:32 | 0:36:35 | |
I find the whole concept of Passchendaele hugely emotional. | 0:36:35 | 0:36:38 | |
Um... | 0:36:38 | 0:36:41 | |
Maybe, you know, in a foolish sense, | 0:36:43 | 0:36:47 | |
I picture all of these people standing up. | 0:36:47 | 0:36:49 | |
I'd love to hear those men stand up, | 0:36:54 | 0:36:56 | |
those ranks of now what are gravestones stand up | 0:36:56 | 0:37:02 | |
and give us an appreciation or definition of war... | 0:37:02 | 0:37:04 | |
Because maybe if we heard them... | 0:37:06 | 0:37:08 | |
It might be impossible, but if we heard them, | 0:37:10 | 0:37:12 | |
maybe out adherence to militarism and war might be changed. | 0:37:12 | 0:37:19 | |
And so the curtain fell over this tortured country | 0:37:29 | 0:37:34 | |
of unmarked graves and unburied fragments of men, | 0:37:34 | 0:37:38 | |
murder and massacre... | 0:37:38 | 0:37:40 | |
The innocent slaughtered for the guilty... | 0:37:42 | 0:37:44 | |
The poor man for the sake of the greed of the already rich. | 0:37:45 | 0:37:49 | |
The man of no authority | 0:37:50 | 0:37:52 | |
made a victim of the man who had gathered importance... | 0:37:52 | 0:37:55 | |
..and wished to keep it. | 0:37:56 | 0:37:58 | |
David Starrett, 9th Battalion, Royal Irish Rifles. | 0:37:59 | 0:38:04 | |
This is, you know, a journey to the Somme. | 0:38:15 | 0:38:19 | |
In a way, that journey doesn't end, | 0:38:20 | 0:38:23 | |
because I see it in the context of the broader subject | 0:38:23 | 0:38:28 | |
of the history of the island of Ireland, | 0:38:28 | 0:38:31 | |
and indeed the history of the relationship between England and Ireland. | 0:38:31 | 0:38:36 | |
I think the memory of this will be fairly strong in me | 0:38:38 | 0:38:43 | |
for a long time to come. | 0:38:43 | 0:38:46 | |
Wars have to end. | 0:38:46 | 0:38:48 | |
And no matter how cruel and bloody | 0:38:48 | 0:38:50 | |
and enormous this war was, it ended... | 0:38:50 | 0:38:53 | |
..and people had to rebuild. | 0:38:54 | 0:38:56 | |
It was also the recognition that to carry the bitternesses | 0:38:57 | 0:39:02 | |
was to mean further war | 0:39:02 | 0:39:04 | |
and that people had to come to terms with the fact that the war was over. | 0:39:04 | 0:39:09 | |
How do I, as an Irish Republican, | 0:39:19 | 0:39:21 | |
deal with all those Irish men who served on the Western Front, | 0:39:21 | 0:39:27 | |
how do I come to terms with | 0:39:27 | 0:39:30 | |
their sense of duty, the way they saw the world, | 0:39:30 | 0:39:33 | |
the way they saw their commitment? | 0:39:33 | 0:39:35 | |
Because, of course, my experience of the British Army | 0:39:35 | 0:39:38 | |
is a very, very negative experience, | 0:39:38 | 0:39:40 | |
and the experience of my community of the British Army | 0:39:40 | 0:39:43 | |
is very negative. | 0:39:43 | 0:39:45 | |
And so the challenge is coming out of conflict, | 0:39:45 | 0:39:49 | |
is to deal with memory and to find some common ground | 0:39:49 | 0:39:53 | |
and to find a way of dealing with memory that doesn't hurt our dead. | 0:39:53 | 0:39:58 | |
In watching and trying to understand the death, the carnage, the destruction, | 0:40:04 | 0:40:10 | |
it seems strange that out of it what I'd like to create | 0:40:10 | 0:40:13 | |
is peaceful co-existence. | 0:40:13 | 0:40:15 | |
I think the exploration, | 0:40:15 | 0:40:17 | |
whether it be on the Somme or other explorations yet to come... | 0:40:17 | 0:40:21 | |
..are vitally important, I think, for all of us. | 0:40:22 | 0:40:26 | |
What happened to us and what is happening to us? | 0:40:26 | 0:40:30 | |
Two very valid questions. | 0:40:30 | 0:40:31 |