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The whole concept of the Somme is hugely important to the Loyalist community...

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Protestant community.

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It means so many different things -

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sacrifice, loyalty, commitment, pain, sorrow...

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..it's so huge.

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So really huge within our community.

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I think the way the Somme is used by Unionists

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is a one-dimensional view of history.

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But history is anything but one-dimensional.

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It's layered and it's complex.

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It has many cul-de-sacs.

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It brings you into spaces you didn't want to go in the first place.

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I'm prepared to explore because I'm confident.

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And Tom's Republicanism isn't contagious.

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As an Irish Republican,

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I don't adhere to the war aims of the British state.

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Nevertheless, I also recognise

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that all of those who served on the Western Front,

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and who came from this island, are a part of my history.

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My sense is there is a change going on within the Irish Republican community about the Great War.

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Let's see if I'm right. I'm not going to sit at home and think, "Maybe I'm right."

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Let's go and find out. Let's explore.

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Switch on the light.

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It's quite idyllic at the moment, but I can't imagine what the smell...

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-This would have been no-man's-land, wouldn't it?

-It would have been.

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You'd have got popped from both sides here.

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'The first day of the Battle of the Somme was the most costly day

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'in the history of the British Army.

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'50,000 casualties killed, wounded and missing were sustained on that day.'

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The Ulster Division on the first day of the Somme...

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The figures are not specific.

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But there were over

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5,000 casualties in the Ulster Division

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killed, wounded or missing.

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There were over 2,000 of those dead.

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This is Connaught Cemetery,

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in a front line right by Thiepval Wood.

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And so is this where they came out to face the German lines?

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I understand they burst out of there at 7.30am and attempt to traverse

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right to left up Schwaben Redoubt which was held by the Germans.

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How many men are in this cemetery?

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-I think there's about 1,500 here.

-1,500?!

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The British attack was across a long stretch of about 15 miles -

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something over 15 miles of the front.

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And the British divisions were set along this,

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including the Ulster Division, opposite Thiepval which was very heavily defended.

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A good many people were under the impression

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that the Ulster Division attacked Thiepval village.

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They didn't.

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It was the 32nd Division on the right

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that was to take Thiepval Village.

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Over on the left, the 29th Division,

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they were to take Beaumont Hamel,

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and we were dead in the centre.

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The Ulstermen came out of Thiepval Wood towards the German position.

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At 7.30am on 1st July, that's when they set off across no-man's land

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towards the German positions.

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SHELLS AND MORTAR FIRE

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So many young men killed.

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There was nothing we could do to help them.

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They were falling around you but you weren't allowed to stop.

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You just had to keep going.

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So many young men killed...

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Blown to pieces.

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The young people laying here are from the laneways and roadways

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of the society that I come from.

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Innocent, virtuous.

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Simply on the basis that they'd never been anywhere.

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Never travelled any great distance to be plucked from their homes

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and planted down...

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willing, in the most part, to do for king and country.

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I think one has to say that what happened to them...

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absolutely incredible, and I mean incredible.

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-See, they came up here.

-They came out of the wood behind us.

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-And I imagine it was right across...

-A whole line of men.

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-Yeah.

-Aye.

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I suppose their sense was that there are plenty of us

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and here we go...

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-The enemy have been softened up with a bombardment.

-Yes.

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But the enemy weren't softened up.

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The offensive had been preceded by more than a week's bombardment.

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The British high command, and the ordinary British soldier,

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had put their faith in the guns,

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the 1,500 guns that had fired off millions of shells for a week,

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that it would have destroyed the German positions and cut the wire.

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In fact, although there were more guns than before,

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and the bombardment was bigger than ever before,

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it wasn't enough.

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It neither destroyed the German position sufficiently well,

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nor did it cut the wire.

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This local battalion here, the 12th Rifles,

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they had the longest stretch of no-man's-land to cross over.

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So, they made three charges,

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and of course they were slaughtered every time they went out.

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In Ballyclare alone that day, out of the small community we had there,

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there were 30 men killed and over 100 wounded.

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You know, that was awful.

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An awful total for such a small community.

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Well, isn't it strange that those who did come back didn't want to talk about it?

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-Yeah.

-That the horror of it was so deep in them...

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You could not not be traumatised by this.

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Or brutalised by this.

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-And the sense of, in living colour, man's inhumanity to man.

-Mm.

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Walking through a butcher's shop.

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All of that had to have its..

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huge effect on the psychological outcomes.

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And then they headed up towards...

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-Schwaben Redoubt.

-..Redoubt.

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There was a good big fortress that the Germans had built.

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They said it couldn't be taken and they were quite definite about that.

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Our army commanders were of the same opinion

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but it had to be attacked.

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And the most peculiar thing about the Somme battle that day,

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was the Ulster Division was the only one who reached its objective.

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Out of all the divisions that took part in the Somme on that first day,

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and they took the place that wasn't supposed to be able to be taken - the Schwaben Redoubt.

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In some cases, some of the Ulster units had gone so quickly forwards

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that they hadn't mopped up the German trenches behind them.

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So they were left very badly positioned,

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they were left high and dry without support on each flank.

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The divisions to the right of them, the divisions to the left,

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did not secure their objectives.

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That meant the Ulstermen were open to enfilade fire...

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what the soldiers called... from the side.

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In my company,

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there was only four men left after the battle, including me.

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It was terrible

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seeing all those young men being slaughtered.

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Many of my friends died that day.

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They were falling at my feet.

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But you couldn't stop. You had to keep moving.

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It was terrible.

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I was wounded by some shrapnel, but it wasn't too bad.

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I was one of the lucky ones.

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How we all weren't killed is a mystery.

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I suppose it was just luck.

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But many weren't so lucky.

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What happened here had such a dreadful impact...

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..on the streets of the Shankill...

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..and the Loyalist areas of the north.

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Well, we didn't have CNN or...

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The newspapers would have got bits and pieces,

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-but then the telegrams started arriving.

-Yes.

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-It must have been awful to see a postman turn into your street.

-Aye.

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You know, was he going to your door?

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You have the harrowing tale of the three Cumber brothers

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who probably had never been further than Ballygowan in their lives,

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and here they are at the Somme

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and they were killed instantly,

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together, by the same shell.

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Just wiped out.

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Their names are on the cenotaph in Cumber.

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I think it's awful. Just the sense that this just...wiped out. Gone.

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Gone. Never to give seed.

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A lineage just stopped.

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And a war that they didn't understand.

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"Ah, duty, we'll be there, we'll do...we'll follow..."

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I couldn't have understood that. And here they are - gone. Just...

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Maybe there is some poignancy

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in a cemetery being at both the bottom and top of the hill.

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I suppose it's where they started - at the bottom.

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-This one's at Schwaben Redoubt.

-Yes.

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And the Mill Road cemetery.

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-How many people did you say were...?

-I think it was about 1,300 soldiers buried...

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..in this cemetery.

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-In a sense, the root of the battle is to be seen in these stones.

-Absolutely.

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-Isn't it? From 1st July.

-Royal Irish Rifles.

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-What's his name?

-T Halliday - a rifleman.

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I don't comprehend... I can't comprehend.

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And yet, I can comprehend better standing here on the terrain,

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seeing those names, better than I could before I came.

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There's a few insignia. What are they? Royal Irish Rifles?

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-Yeah.

-Toman. Aye. Royal Irish Rifles.

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-It's a Newry name, Toman.

-Is that where that...?

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Aye. We had a lot of Tomans in Newry. Watson...

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I, of course, don't adhere to the war aims or the political aims

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of a British Government during the First World War.

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But I do have a sense here this morning of the loss and the tragedy

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that is represented here for Ireland,

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on this hill.

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If this isn't about the tragedy of war and the futility of violence,

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then I'm not sure anybody knows what is.

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I come at it from a very political sense,

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and seeing this entirety of the Somme experience

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to the Unionist community,

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it must be very difficult to put that in the context

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of the waste of life that took place here on 1st July 1916.

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I think there is a piece that needs added as a caveat to all of this.

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The Ulstermen didn't die here alone.

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And they died in their large numbers, all of them...

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..because that's the way the world worked.

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So there are lots of... It isn't the simplicity of saying those lives were wasted,

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because that's true, and they were.

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Doesn't stop one appreciating the determination, the strength,

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the valour that was shown by people,

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but does connotate for me

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how the cannon fodder dies on the whim or the patheticism

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of someone else's politics.

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They were primarily drawn from the Protestant community.

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Many of them, if not most of them,

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had served in the Ulster Volunteer Force, which had been established before the war

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to secure Ulster within the Union.

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An armed, paramilitary force. So they had some military experience.

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We're talking here about people who had no concept of the issue of decommissioning.

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And who indeed behaved in a traitorous fashion

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towards British authority when they ran guns in to Northern Ireland

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to defend what they believed to be their freedom, religion and laws.

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They would have fought Britain.

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Be under no illusion about that, they would have fought Britain.

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And then ended up going to fight FOR Britain.

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There is a line that people try to extend from the Somme

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through to our current conditions.

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And in that respect... I hold my hand up,

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I was a member of the Ulster Volunteer Force.

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A modern-day group of people with the same attitudes in terms of duty

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and sense, whether you like them or don't like them.

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But there is a fundamental difference.

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Those men were legitimate.

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They were legitimate.

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That was a legitimate battle that they took place in from their own context.

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It is not the same as a dirty,

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stinking little war that we have taken that line from.

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There is a difference - a huge difference.

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Well, their war was, "Here we are, we're up front, we know you're there, we know we're here..."

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"..and our intent is not good towards each other."

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Our war was very much about skulking in hedgerows.

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About shooting people in the back of the head, rather than advancing towards them.

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It has been a dirty, stinking little war

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and whilst there are similarities

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in terms of human sentiment about why one does one's duty...

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..I won't besmirch the name of the 36th Ulster Division,

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by suggesting they were the same.

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When you go down the Western Front,

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you can see where these people fell because the British Army's policy

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was to bury the casualties as close to where they died as possible.

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Today, these are unbearably beautiful places,

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places of peace and stillness in a landscape that seems untouched by war.

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And yet, if you look, when you get to the top of the hill and by the Ulster tower,

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there is a huge memorial to the missing at Thiepval.

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On that huge memorial are 73,000 names of people

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who have no known grave.

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That have simply disappeared - they were blown to smithereens,

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either on the 1st July or on the days, weeks, months that followed.

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All of these monuments to that period

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are an indictment of failure.

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As a Republican, particularly in the context of the waste of Irish lives,

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that in a sense is being confirmed for me today.

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Where I make contact, first of all, is because I am here.

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I think it's around the common humanity of the ordinary soldier,

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but also in the suffering of his family,

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and the residue that was left in Ireland from these battlefields.

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The sorrow and the pain of loss.

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David was talking about families waiting or worrying,

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or not wanting the postman to call.

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But it must have been whole streets

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that were afraid when they saw a postman.

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Indeed, the telegrams that came from here, didn't just go to the Shankill Road.

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They went to Dublin, they went to the Falls Road,

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they went all over Ireland.

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SHELLS AND MORTAR FIRE

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The biggest Irish myth about the Somme,

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is that only Protestants and only Unionists fought and died there...

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that only Ulster-Protestant blood was shed for the war effort on the Somme.

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In fact, many thousands of Irishmen, from the north and south,

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Protestants and Catholics, Unionists and Nationalists, fought there

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and died there for a variety of reasons,

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but they did so believing that what they were doing was the right thing.

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I only learned in later life that really it was only ever from my community's point of view,

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or at least it seemed that way, that it was only ever about the 36th Ulster Division.

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And the 10th and 16th were never mentioned.

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Northern Catholics joined the British Army

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almost as willingly as their Protestant compatriots in Ireland.

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Particularly working-class Catholics from West Belfast.

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They didn't, however, join the Ulster Division.

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They might not have wanted to join the Ulster Division,

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even if they'd been asked.

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So the Catholics of West Belfast joined the 6th Battalion, the Connaught Rangers.

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The Catholics of the glens of Antrim joined the Cameronians -

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they went across to Scotland and joined the Cameronians.

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So what you find is that the politics of Ireland found its way

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onto the battlefield of the Somme.

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In early September, they were involved in an operation to capture two villages,

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called Guillemont and Ginchy.

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They secured their objectives,

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though at the cost of about 2,000 casualties.

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"For the glory of God

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"and the glory of Ireland" in Gaelic.

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"In commemoration of the victories of Guillemont and Ginchy, 1916.

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"In memory of those who fell therein and all the Irishmen who gave their lives in the Great War,

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"rest in peace."

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Well, of course, they were Irishmen,

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and they were encouraged to join the British Army by Redmond,

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on the basis that the First World War was a struggle for the independence of small nations.

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Indeed, was a struggle for Irish independence.

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Remember, home rule had been delayed because of the First World War.

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And most of these men expected home rule to be put in place

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after the war was over.

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Tom Kettle was one of the Nationalists.

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He had been an MP who fought with the 16th Irish Division

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in the Battle of the Somme and died there as well.

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And he, reflecting after the Easter Rising,

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after fellow Nationalists - men who he had been associated with...

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among them were friends of his.

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He said they will be remembered, those who fought in Dublin in 1916

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will be remembered as heroes.

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"If I'm remembered at all," he said, "it will be simply as a bloody British officer."

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There can't have been anything more upsetting and painful

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than to have returned home from the hell of this

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into a society where you were an alien.

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And there are comparisons made between the returning Irish and the Vietnam veterans.

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That there was no heroes' welcome.

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In a way, I think it's worse than that.

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They became part of non-history. They were just airbrushed out of history.

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Although many of them came back and joined the IRA.

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Many would have come back and joined the new Free State Army.

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The First World War had not only changed the world,

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but it had also changed Ireland.

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Home rule had been delayed.

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The 1916 rebellion, the Easter rebellion, had taken place...

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There was the beginnings of the War of Independence.

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And they came back to an Ireland

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that really didn't want to know about them or their sacrifice.

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There was what you might call a national amnesia.

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Or a Nationalist amnesia.

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There was no Unionist amnesia

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because the exploits of the 36th Ulster Division were celebrated and commemorated continually,

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and became part of the "creation myth" of Northern Ireland.

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"We have died for the Union, we have died for the British Empire,

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"we will remain within the United Kingdom."

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It is that sacrifice which then is used

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by the early Unionist governments

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as a means of consolidating Unionist identity.

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This is what we paid in our blood to defend Empire.

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It is loyalty to Empire.

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And therefore, it is that theme that Unionist governments

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begin to weave into the fabric of Unionist life.

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I think that I feel British.

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I can't imagine that I should factor in whether I feel more British because these people died,

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or whether I would have felt less British had they lived.

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I think at the end of the day, the waste that we see here

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has had an effect on the society that I live in.

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When our leadership was constantly complaining, "Well, look what we did for you..."

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As the years go on, it was, "Look what my father did for you."

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And then, "Look what my grandfather did for you."

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Then there comes a time when that isn't able to be said.

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I think we need to stand on our own two feet...

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Stop using this sacrifice but fully understand this sacrifice

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as the cannon fodder that happens when the world gets it wrong.

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When we fixate on our narrow politics about why we're here,

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then what we do, is perhaps we maybe give some reason or excuse almost,

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for this cannon fodder.

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SHELLS AND MORTAR FIRE

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At the battle of Messines, in June 1917,

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the 36th Ulster Division and the 16th Irish Division

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fought alongside each other for the first time.

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Messines was much better planned.

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We had more experience.

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Somme was our first real taste of action.

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And it taught us a lot.

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One of the reasons why Messines was such a success,

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was that the British generals who planned it were beginning to get the technical details right.

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They placed a series of huge mines deep underground -

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there were 21 of these.

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About a million pounds of high explosive.

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And at the moment of the offensive starting, these mines are let off.

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LOUD EXPLOSION

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The noise would have deafened you.

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And you couldn't see a thing in front of you - what with the black smoke.

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Some of the men were blown off their feet as they went forward,

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but I don't think anyone was seriously hurt.

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I was lucky at Messines.

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Our gas blew back into our own lines.

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And a lot of the men suffered from it.

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The gas masks weren't very good then.

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The point of the battle of Messines was to capture the high hills, the plateau -

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it's not very high - next to Ypres in Messines, which dominated the battlefield.

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And the Ulster Division and the 16th Irish Division

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were given the job of capturing a village called Wytschaete,

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or "White Sheet" they called it, which they did very successfully.

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There's a road going up into the village

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in which the Ulster Division are on one side,

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and the 16th Irish Division were on the other side.

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And we were sitting in a ring at the entrance to White Sheet,

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that was at the beginning of the Battle of Messines.

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And I says, "Boys, the crack's great but I'm away for a smoke!"

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And I went inside, there was little notches that you could sit in,

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so I sat down there and had a smoke.

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And I wasn't smoking two minutes, when a high velocity shell burst in the centre of them.

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There wasn't a man living. Only myself.

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And I was buried up to my waist.

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And deaf. For six or seven months, I heard nothing.

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And eight dead men - and I was the only one alive.

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We saw the same types of headstones down at the Somme,

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where both those brave groups of men are represented.

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But I found it almost more moving here,

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in the sense that it was together.

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And as they lie here together, I'd love the luxury of being able to ask a question.

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Was it worth it?

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Was what you did together, was it worth it?

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My mate, big John Hunter...

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was wounded in the arm at the Somme on 1st July.

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He went out again to the front...

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..but he got killed at White Sheet.

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He gave me his watch.

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Something told him that he was going to get killed that night.

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Says I to him, "Have a bit of sense. Nobody knows that."

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But he had it in his head.

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"See, I'm going to get it up here tonight."

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And, by God, he did get it.

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-The 16th Irish Division...

-Yeah.

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..fought with valour.

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Whatever their national perspective, whatever their religion,

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the words that stick in my mind for the people who lie here is that,

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"They shall grow not old as we that are left grow old."

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"Age shall not weary them,

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"nor the years condemn."

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"At the going down of the sun and in the morning,

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"we will remember them."

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The mine crater is now full of water.

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It's a nicer place now than it was then.

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So...peaceful.

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But very sad.

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See, in that cemetery

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were so many men from the Rifles buried there.

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But they are at peace now.

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"Royal Irish Rifles".

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-"7th June...

-19...

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"Known to be buried in the cemetery".

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My God. Look at this one.

0:32:050:32:06

-"William TH Bridgett".

-That's the one you talked about.

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"Royal Irish Rifles. 7th June, aged 20".

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"Better to go out with honour

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"than to survive with shame".

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Why this stone is important to me

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is his mother, Annie Bridgett, is buried in the City Cemetery.

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Oh, right.

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'Well, I do it for West Belfast during the West Belfast Festival.'

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I used to go into Milltown Cemetery and do the Republican graves,

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until one day I said to myself, "I don't go into the City Cemetery."

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So I started to go into the City Cemetery.

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What I started to come across

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was family inscriptions

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of First World War soldiers,

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and I've come across about 70 of these inscriptions.

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One of the graves that I do on my tour

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is a woman called Annie Bridgett.

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On her stone, it says, "Ireland's first grand mistress.

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"Ireland's first women's Orange Lodge".

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But on the side of the stone,

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there is an inscription to her son, William Bridgett,

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who was killed at Messines.

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And it's this, in a way, so an Orangewoman...

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leads me into the First World War

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and then leads me into the broader picture

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of Irish service in the British Army during the First World War.

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And that's why I think history is exciting,

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because you start off at point A

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but you don't quite know where you're going to end up.

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And so for me,

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it really makes something very real here,

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in that there's a bridge between this spot here,

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and this grave

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and the grave in the City Cemetery on the Falls Road.

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Amazing.

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-It's another piece of that history that...

-Yeah. Our connection.

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Two months after the Battle of Messines,

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the Ulster Division and the 16th Irish Division

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fought together for the second and last time at Langemark,

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which was one of those series of engagements

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which collectively make up the Battle of Passchendaele.

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And Passchendaele is, after the Somme,

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the most terrible of all the battles of the Western Front.

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SHELLS AND MORTAR FIRE

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And there, both the Ulster Division and the 16th Irish Division

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were torn to bits.

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The Ypres battlefield just represented

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one gigantic slough of despond

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into which floundered battalions, brigades

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and divisions of infantry without end

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to be shot to pieces or drowned

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until at last, and with immeasurable slaughter,

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we had gained a few miles of liquid mud.

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I'm numbed by what I find here.

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There's 12,000 soldiers buried in this graveyard

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and another 34,000 whose names are on the screen wall at the back of the cemetery,

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and their remains couldn't be found.

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And one gets the sense the more I see

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of Ypres and the Ypres salient, and indeed the Western Front,

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the more I get a sense of thousands and thousands of men

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just being poured into a vast mixing machine.

0:35:530:35:56

SHELLS AND MORTAR FIRE

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One fella, lying down,

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I'll never forget the words he said.

0:36:050:36:09

"Aye," he says, "how you feeling?"

0:36:090:36:11

"Not too well," he says.

0:36:120:36:13

"Do you know what I want?" he says.

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"I want the Lord to take me out of here."

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I find it hugely emotional.

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I find the whole concept of Passchendaele hugely emotional.

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Um...

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Maybe, you know, in a foolish sense,

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I picture all of these people standing up.

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I'd love to hear those men stand up,

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those ranks of now what are gravestones stand up

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and give us an appreciation or definition of war...

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Because maybe if we heard them...

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It might be impossible, but if we heard them,

0:37:100:37:12

maybe out adherence to militarism and war might be changed.

0:37:120:37:19

And so the curtain fell over this tortured country

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of unmarked graves and unburied fragments of men,

0:37:340:37:38

murder and massacre...

0:37:380:37:40

The innocent slaughtered for the guilty...

0:37:420:37:44

The poor man for the sake of the greed of the already rich.

0:37:450:37:49

The man of no authority

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made a victim of the man who had gathered importance...

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..and wished to keep it.

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David Starrett, 9th Battalion, Royal Irish Rifles.

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This is, you know, a journey to the Somme.

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In a way, that journey doesn't end,

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because I see it in the context of the broader subject

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of the history of the island of Ireland,

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and indeed the history of the relationship between England and Ireland.

0:38:310:38:36

I think the memory of this will be fairly strong in me

0:38:380:38:43

for a long time to come.

0:38:430:38:46

Wars have to end.

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And no matter how cruel and bloody

0:38:480:38:50

and enormous this war was, it ended...

0:38:500:38:53

..and people had to rebuild.

0:38:540:38:56

It was also the recognition that to carry the bitternesses

0:38:570:39:02

was to mean further war

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and that people had to come to terms with the fact that the war was over.

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How do I, as an Irish Republican,

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deal with all those Irish men who served on the Western Front,

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how do I come to terms with

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their sense of duty, the way they saw the world,

0:39:300:39:33

the way they saw their commitment?

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Because, of course, my experience of the British Army

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is a very, very negative experience,

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and the experience of my community of the British Army

0:39:400:39:43

is very negative.

0:39:430:39:45

And so the challenge is coming out of conflict,

0:39:450:39:49

is to deal with memory and to find some common ground

0:39:490:39:53

and to find a way of dealing with memory that doesn't hurt our dead.

0:39:530:39:58

In watching and trying to understand the death, the carnage, the destruction,

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it seems strange that out of it what I'd like to create

0:40:100:40:13

is peaceful co-existence.

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I think the exploration,

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whether it be on the Somme or other explorations yet to come...

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..are vitally important, I think, for all of us.

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What happened to us and what is happening to us?

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Two very valid questions.

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