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This is the story of a book hidden for centuries | 0:00:02 | 0:00:04 | |
in the shadows of history. | 0:00:04 | 0:00:07 | |
Gosh, here it is. | 0:00:07 | 0:00:09 | |
An unknown jewel of the English canon | 0:00:09 | 0:00:12 | |
and the first book ever written by a woman - | 0:00:12 | 0:00:15 | |
Julian of Norwich. | 0:00:15 | 0:00:17 | |
What a book, what an accomplished and magnificent | 0:00:17 | 0:00:19 | |
and sophisticated book. | 0:00:19 | 0:00:21 | |
Revelations of Divine Love, written in 1373, | 0:00:23 | 0:00:27 | |
dared to present an alternative vision | 0:00:27 | 0:00:29 | |
of man's relationship with God. | 0:00:29 | 0:00:32 | |
She is blazing a trail. She's doing something quite unprecedented. | 0:00:32 | 0:00:35 | |
'A theology fundamentally at odds with the church of her time.' | 0:00:35 | 0:00:39 | |
You wanted to prevent yourself going to hell. | 0:00:39 | 0:00:42 | |
'Hidden away for 500 years, | 0:00:42 | 0:00:45 | |
'the book re-emerged as an iconic text for the women's movement...' | 0:00:45 | 0:00:49 | |
-Look at this! -May I undo it? -Please! | 0:00:49 | 0:00:52 | |
'..and is now acknowledged as a classic.' | 0:00:52 | 0:00:55 | |
It's one of the first great masterpieces of English prose. | 0:00:57 | 0:01:01 | |
This is the incredible story of the survival of Julian's book. | 0:01:01 | 0:01:05 | |
We're not going to open it? | 0:01:05 | 0:01:06 | |
'And the brave women who championed it.' | 0:01:06 | 0:01:09 | |
We would not have Julian without you and your community. | 0:01:09 | 0:01:12 | |
Squeeze! | 0:01:21 | 0:01:23 | |
I'm Dr Janina Ramirez, mother-of-two and Oxford academic | 0:01:24 | 0:01:28 | |
with a passion for all things medieval. | 0:01:28 | 0:01:32 | |
Let's get this on. | 0:01:32 | 0:01:33 | |
So, this is the story, the story of a book - | 0:01:35 | 0:01:40 | |
The Revelations of Divine Love. | 0:01:40 | 0:01:42 | |
For me, I first encountered it when I was an undergraduate | 0:01:43 | 0:01:46 | |
studying Middle English at St Anne's College, Oxford. | 0:01:46 | 0:01:50 | |
It's captured me ever since. | 0:01:50 | 0:01:53 | |
'This is an impressive book. | 0:01:53 | 0:01:56 | |
'It's the expression of a brilliant mind | 0:01:56 | 0:01:58 | |
'and feels as relevant and fresh today | 0:01:58 | 0:02:00 | |
'as it did when it was written over 600 years ago in 1373 | 0:02:00 | 0:02:07 | |
'by Julian of Norwich, who was a woman.' | 0:02:07 | 0:02:10 | |
-Right, all ready for school? BOTH: -Yeah! | 0:02:10 | 0:02:12 | |
Come on then. Let's get you out to the car. | 0:02:12 | 0:02:15 | |
'This was a time when most women's lives | 0:02:15 | 0:02:17 | |
'were confined to the domestic sphere.' | 0:02:17 | 0:02:19 | |
-Bye! -See you later! | 0:02:19 | 0:02:21 | |
'Very few women had access to an education.' | 0:02:21 | 0:02:24 | |
It would be another 500 years before women | 0:02:26 | 0:02:29 | |
were allowed to study here at Oxford. | 0:02:29 | 0:02:31 | |
In Medieval England, | 0:02:33 | 0:02:34 | |
almost all intellectual thought was framed by the church | 0:02:34 | 0:02:38 | |
and written in Latin by men. | 0:02:38 | 0:02:40 | |
Women were certainly not encouraged to think or speak about God. | 0:02:41 | 0:02:45 | |
But, speak or write, Julian did | 0:02:47 | 0:02:50 | |
in English - the language of ordinary people. | 0:02:50 | 0:02:53 | |
Her vision of an unconditionally loving God | 0:02:58 | 0:03:00 | |
was fundamentally at odds with a church | 0:03:00 | 0:03:03 | |
that believed in eternal damnation. | 0:03:03 | 0:03:05 | |
In fact, for Julian and those who read her book, | 0:03:07 | 0:03:09 | |
it was potentially life-threatening. | 0:03:09 | 0:03:12 | |
I'm starting my exploration of Julian's text | 0:03:15 | 0:03:18 | |
by reliving a bit of my own history. | 0:03:18 | 0:03:21 | |
I studied Medieval Literature here at Oxford University. | 0:03:21 | 0:03:25 | |
My first tutor is now the JRR Tolkien Professor of English, | 0:03:26 | 0:03:30 | |
Vincent Gillespie. | 0:03:30 | 0:03:31 | |
So, Vincent, I first fell in love with Julian in your classes | 0:03:35 | 0:03:39 | |
at the age of 18, learning English Literature with you. | 0:03:39 | 0:03:42 | |
It's one of the first great masterpieces of English prose | 0:03:42 | 0:03:46 | |
and the first great masterpiece of English prose written by a woman. | 0:03:46 | 0:03:50 | |
So, can you read me a little bit of Julian, then? | 0:03:50 | 0:03:52 | |
Yes, of course. | 0:03:52 | 0:03:53 | |
-TRANSLATED FROM MIDDLE ENGLISH: -"And these words, Thou shalt not be overcome, | 0:03:54 | 0:03:58 | |
"was said full sharply and full mightily, forsaken this and comfort | 0:03:58 | 0:04:04 | |
"against all tribulations that might come. | 0:04:04 | 0:04:07 | |
"He said not, thou shalt not be tempested. | 0:04:07 | 0:04:10 | |
"Thou shalt not be travailed, thou shalt not be diseased. | 0:04:10 | 0:04:15 | |
"But he said, Thou shalt not be overcome." | 0:04:15 | 0:04:18 | |
We know some big names | 0:04:19 | 0:04:21 | |
that are coming from around the time of Julian, | 0:04:21 | 0:04:24 | |
people like Chaucer. | 0:04:24 | 0:04:25 | |
Does she stand up to being read alongside such a great author? | 0:04:25 | 0:04:30 | |
That's a big challenge, isn't it? It's a big ask. | 0:04:30 | 0:04:32 | |
But I think, in terms of the sheer beauty of her prose, | 0:04:32 | 0:04:36 | |
there's nobody else of that period | 0:04:36 | 0:04:38 | |
who I think can really challenge her. | 0:04:38 | 0:04:40 | |
Some scholars have said | 0:04:44 | 0:04:46 | |
that if Chaucer is the father of English poetry, | 0:04:46 | 0:04:48 | |
then Julian is the mother of English prose. | 0:04:48 | 0:04:51 | |
But Chaucer was widely known and read in his own time, | 0:04:53 | 0:04:56 | |
while Julian and her book, Revelations of Divine Love, | 0:04:56 | 0:04:59 | |
were cast into oblivion. | 0:04:59 | 0:05:01 | |
What I find incredible is that this amazing little book survives at all. | 0:05:03 | 0:05:09 | |
That it does is nothing short of a miracle. | 0:05:09 | 0:05:12 | |
Almost nothing is known about Julian herself and her text remains unread. | 0:05:12 | 0:05:19 | |
It was sidelined, repressed, | 0:05:19 | 0:05:21 | |
vilified and forgotten down the centuries. | 0:05:21 | 0:05:25 | |
But it was also kept secret, treasured, | 0:05:25 | 0:05:29 | |
guarded and defended by a series of women. | 0:05:29 | 0:05:33 | |
Pilgrims, nuns and suffragettes have all played a part. | 0:05:36 | 0:05:40 | |
The story of the survival of this book is an extraordinary one. | 0:05:42 | 0:05:45 | |
After all, Julian's text proposes an optimistic theology | 0:05:46 | 0:05:50 | |
in which God promises her that, | 0:05:50 | 0:05:53 | |
"All shall be well and all shall be well | 0:05:53 | 0:05:55 | |
"and all manner of things shall be well". | 0:05:55 | 0:05:59 | |
To understand why Julian's book was so challenging, | 0:05:59 | 0:06:02 | |
I'm meeting former Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr Rowan Williams. | 0:06:02 | 0:06:06 | |
If you think, you know, she's the | 0:06:07 | 0:06:09 | |
first serious woman writer in the English language. | 0:06:09 | 0:06:12 | |
Certainly the first... | 0:06:12 | 0:06:14 | |
woman writer to write like that about the things of God. | 0:06:14 | 0:06:18 | |
So, she's blazing a trail, she's doing something quite unprecedented. | 0:06:18 | 0:06:23 | |
Would you consider Julian to be a radical theologian? | 0:06:23 | 0:06:27 | |
In a sense, she is a very radical theologian, | 0:06:27 | 0:06:29 | |
because she thinks things through in first principles. | 0:06:29 | 0:06:32 | |
It's the time of the burnings of heretics and the Black Death | 0:06:32 | 0:06:36 | |
and, you know, all those grim aspects of the 14th century. | 0:06:36 | 0:06:39 | |
And in that world she's not turning away from the reality of suffering, | 0:06:41 | 0:06:46 | |
not at all. | 0:06:46 | 0:06:47 | |
And when she writes about the promise | 0:06:47 | 0:06:49 | |
that all things will be well, | 0:06:49 | 0:06:51 | |
all shall be well, all manner of things shall be well, | 0:06:51 | 0:06:55 | |
I don't think the reader feels that it's a bit of... | 0:06:55 | 0:06:59 | |
empty optimism, it's all going to be all right in the end, | 0:06:59 | 0:07:02 | |
it's just this steady gaze of God looking at her and saying, | 0:07:02 | 0:07:06 | |
"Trust me, I will bring it all together." | 0:07:06 | 0:07:10 | |
And one of the marks of her real genius as a writer | 0:07:10 | 0:07:13 | |
is that she is able to present that in sequence, | 0:07:13 | 0:07:17 | |
to sort it out into, not a system, but a kind of story. | 0:07:17 | 0:07:22 | |
Julian's own story started here in Norwich. | 0:07:28 | 0:07:31 | |
Her book gives few autobiographical details, | 0:07:32 | 0:07:36 | |
but during her lifetime Norwich was the second city of England. | 0:07:36 | 0:07:40 | |
A busy, prosperous, mercantile metropolis. | 0:07:40 | 0:07:43 | |
Today, much of the medieval past is still easily visible | 0:07:46 | 0:07:51 | |
in the castle, the cathedral, the city wall | 0:07:51 | 0:07:54 | |
and over 30 medieval churches. | 0:07:54 | 0:07:57 | |
This modern bridge is named after Julian and the River Wensum | 0:08:01 | 0:08:05 | |
was actually the secret of Norwich's success during her lifetime. | 0:08:05 | 0:08:11 | |
The Hundred Years' War was raging on the Continent and the coastal ports | 0:08:11 | 0:08:15 | |
along the south were vulnerable to attack, | 0:08:15 | 0:08:17 | |
but Norwich was further upriver, which meant it was safer, | 0:08:17 | 0:08:21 | |
so people could come in here, trade in goods and ideas. | 0:08:21 | 0:08:27 | |
Into this cosmopolitan city | 0:08:30 | 0:08:32 | |
Julian was born in 1343, | 0:08:32 | 0:08:35 | |
most probably into a reasonably affluent merchant's family. | 0:08:35 | 0:08:39 | |
You can imagine the vibrancy of the medieval market | 0:08:42 | 0:08:46 | |
when Julian came here shopping. | 0:08:46 | 0:08:48 | |
There'd have been lords, artisans, peasants, | 0:08:48 | 0:08:52 | |
alongside priests and friars | 0:08:52 | 0:08:55 | |
and then there'd have been all the languages you'd have heard. | 0:08:55 | 0:08:58 | |
English for the common people, French for the aristocracy, | 0:08:58 | 0:09:01 | |
Latin for the church, some German, | 0:09:01 | 0:09:04 | |
some Flemish and perhaps even a spattering of Italian. | 0:09:04 | 0:09:07 | |
But even though literacy rates were growing at this time, | 0:09:10 | 0:09:13 | |
probably only 20% of men would be able to read English. | 0:09:13 | 0:09:18 | |
For women, the rate would be much lower. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:20 | |
But it would also have been crowded and smelly, | 0:09:23 | 0:09:27 | |
with slops and offal running in trenches | 0:09:27 | 0:09:30 | |
down the middle of the street. | 0:09:30 | 0:09:33 | |
When Julian was just a young girl, six years old, | 0:09:33 | 0:09:37 | |
plague swept through the city. | 0:09:37 | 0:09:39 | |
Lying in her bed, she'd have heard the death carts rumbling through the | 0:09:39 | 0:09:43 | |
alleys and smelt the bodies piling into unmarked pits. | 0:09:43 | 0:09:48 | |
With accidents and epidemics round every corner, life was tenuous, | 0:09:48 | 0:09:53 | |
so it was no wonder that people were turning to religion | 0:09:53 | 0:09:56 | |
for the promise of an eternal life. | 0:09:56 | 0:09:58 | |
In the 14th century, religious and secular life | 0:10:03 | 0:10:07 | |
were totally intertwined. | 0:10:07 | 0:10:09 | |
The church year with its fasts and festivals was as much a part | 0:10:09 | 0:10:13 | |
of daily life as fetching water from a well. | 0:10:13 | 0:10:15 | |
We can assume that Julian and her family would have gone regularly | 0:10:24 | 0:10:28 | |
to church, and for special celebrations, | 0:10:28 | 0:10:30 | |
they'd have visited the great cathedral. | 0:10:30 | 0:10:33 | |
It's amazing to think that Julian would have stood here. | 0:10:35 | 0:10:40 | |
She'd certainly have come to the cathedral | 0:10:40 | 0:10:42 | |
and would have gone through these doors | 0:10:42 | 0:10:45 | |
during big celebrations like Easter, | 0:10:45 | 0:10:47 | |
when all of the city would flock here. | 0:10:47 | 0:10:51 | |
Little did she know, 700 years later, | 0:10:51 | 0:10:53 | |
her own statue would be up here. | 0:10:53 | 0:10:56 | |
She's looking out from the doors of Norwich Cathedral. | 0:10:56 | 0:10:59 | |
The Church in Julian's time | 0:11:13 | 0:11:15 | |
was presided over by a feared and unpopular bishop, Henry Despenser, | 0:11:15 | 0:11:20 | |
known as The Fighting Bishop. | 0:11:20 | 0:11:22 | |
To find out more about him and his church, | 0:11:23 | 0:11:26 | |
I'm meeting with the current Bishop of Norwich, Graham James. | 0:11:26 | 0:11:29 | |
So, tell me a bit more about what the traditional church would have | 0:11:30 | 0:11:33 | |
been like at the time that Julian lived. | 0:11:33 | 0:11:36 | |
Well, it would have felt an extremely powerful | 0:11:36 | 0:11:40 | |
and I think judgmental body. | 0:11:40 | 0:11:42 | |
I mean, my... | 0:11:42 | 0:11:44 | |
predecessor then, Henry Despenser, | 0:11:44 | 0:11:47 | |
saw himself of course as God's servant but also the King's servant. | 0:11:47 | 0:11:50 | |
He was willing to go into battle, | 0:11:50 | 0:11:52 | |
he would put down as he did the Peasants' Revolt. | 0:11:52 | 0:11:56 | |
He would be perfectly content to see Lollards put to death because they | 0:11:56 | 0:12:03 | |
were protesting against the character of the Church of the time. | 0:12:03 | 0:12:06 | |
And hell, it was a reality, | 0:12:09 | 0:12:11 | |
wasn't it, for most people in the medieval period? | 0:12:11 | 0:12:14 | |
Yes, they feared it, they saw images of it. | 0:12:14 | 0:12:18 | |
I mean, this cathedral would have been full of paintings of hell, | 0:12:18 | 0:12:22 | |
every church was. | 0:12:22 | 0:12:23 | |
You wanted to prevent yourself going to hell | 0:12:23 | 0:12:27 | |
and hell was a place of terrible and eternal torture, | 0:12:27 | 0:12:31 | |
and remember these were often people who experienced a great deal | 0:12:31 | 0:12:36 | |
of pain in their earthly lives, | 0:12:36 | 0:12:39 | |
so the thought of that pain being intensified forever | 0:12:39 | 0:12:43 | |
was something you wanted to avoid. | 0:12:43 | 0:12:45 | |
'It was Bishop Henry Despenser who commissioned this decorative panel | 0:12:48 | 0:12:52 | |
'to commemorate the suppression of the Peasants' Revolt'. | 0:12:52 | 0:12:55 | |
I suppose the thing to remember when looking at things like this, | 0:12:57 | 0:12:59 | |
they're there to help people understand the big themes of Christianity, aren't they? | 0:12:59 | 0:13:03 | |
Absolutely. These would have been the magazines, | 0:13:03 | 0:13:06 | |
the newspapers, you know, the websites. | 0:13:06 | 0:13:08 | |
This is what all this was. | 0:13:08 | 0:13:10 | |
I think you're so right and again what's remarkable is this dates | 0:13:10 | 0:13:14 | |
-from Julian's lifetime. -Lifetime, yes. | 0:13:14 | 0:13:16 | |
So, this is the sort of imagery she would have seen. | 0:13:16 | 0:13:20 | |
She would have seen it all the time, | 0:13:20 | 0:13:22 | |
and of course the churches at the time | 0:13:22 | 0:13:24 | |
were absolutely full of this. | 0:13:24 | 0:13:26 | |
As a young woman, Julian could be in no doubt that defying the power | 0:13:30 | 0:13:34 | |
of the Church led to death in this life | 0:13:34 | 0:13:37 | |
and eternal hellfire in the ever after. | 0:13:37 | 0:13:40 | |
This thatched building dates back to at least 1420, | 0:13:44 | 0:13:48 | |
so it gives us some idea of the sort of house | 0:13:48 | 0:13:50 | |
where Julian could have lived. | 0:13:50 | 0:13:52 | |
It's now the Britons Arms cafe. | 0:13:55 | 0:13:57 | |
But where did women fit into this picture of medieval life? | 0:13:59 | 0:14:04 | |
Well, for most ordinary 14th-century women, | 0:14:04 | 0:14:07 | |
their lives revolved around the domestic sphere. | 0:14:07 | 0:14:11 | |
They received very little education | 0:14:11 | 0:14:13 | |
and most girls were married by the time they were 15. | 0:14:13 | 0:14:16 | |
We know very little about Julian's early life. | 0:14:18 | 0:14:21 | |
We can assume that she followed the general custom, | 0:14:21 | 0:14:24 | |
married and perhaps even had children. | 0:14:24 | 0:14:27 | |
When she was just 19, the plague came to Norwich again | 0:14:27 | 0:14:30 | |
and it was in a form that was particularly virulent to children. | 0:14:30 | 0:14:35 | |
Perhaps she lost a husband and children in this plague? | 0:14:35 | 0:14:39 | |
From her writing, | 0:14:41 | 0:14:43 | |
it seems likely that Julian was a devout layperson | 0:14:43 | 0:14:46 | |
who was familiar with death and sorrow. | 0:14:46 | 0:14:49 | |
I'm making my way up to the attic room, | 0:14:51 | 0:14:53 | |
which may have been used as a bedroom. | 0:14:53 | 0:14:55 | |
Julian describes herself as "an unlettered creature", | 0:14:57 | 0:15:01 | |
but even if she could read English, | 0:15:01 | 0:15:03 | |
she'd be unlikely to have access to anything more than a prayer book. | 0:15:03 | 0:15:08 | |
The majority of books were written in Latin and expensive. | 0:15:08 | 0:15:12 | |
Even the very wealthy probably had 25 books at the most. | 0:15:12 | 0:15:15 | |
This really is an atmospheric space. | 0:15:16 | 0:15:20 | |
Look at those amazing medieval beams | 0:15:22 | 0:15:26 | |
and you can even see the wattle and daub | 0:15:26 | 0:15:29 | |
that's gone into making the walls. | 0:15:29 | 0:15:32 | |
There are these incredible Baltic pine floorboards. | 0:15:32 | 0:15:36 | |
They date to 1402. | 0:15:36 | 0:15:39 | |
I could really imagine her being in a room like this. | 0:15:39 | 0:15:42 | |
When Julian was 30 years old, she herself became ill and nearly died. | 0:15:49 | 0:15:55 | |
For three days she lay prostrate | 0:15:55 | 0:15:58 | |
and on the fourth day she was given the last rites. | 0:15:58 | 0:16:02 | |
But she lingered on. | 0:16:02 | 0:16:03 | |
With paralysis creeping up her body, | 0:16:03 | 0:16:07 | |
a priest was called and he brought with him a crucifix, | 0:16:07 | 0:16:11 | |
which he held up before her eyes as the darkness came closer. | 0:16:11 | 0:16:16 | |
Julian entered into a visionary state, | 0:16:23 | 0:16:26 | |
where the crucifix became living and real. | 0:16:26 | 0:16:29 | |
She had a series of mystical revelations, | 0:16:29 | 0:16:32 | |
in which God spoke directly to her, a simple woman. | 0:16:32 | 0:16:36 | |
She now had a direct, bodily experience of the divine. | 0:16:36 | 0:16:41 | |
I'm really excited. | 0:16:51 | 0:16:53 | |
I'm going behind the scenes at the British Museum | 0:16:53 | 0:16:55 | |
to a place I haven't been before. | 0:16:55 | 0:16:57 | |
I'm going to see a crucifix, | 0:16:57 | 0:16:59 | |
which may have been the type that Julian actually gazed on | 0:16:59 | 0:17:03 | |
as she thought she was dying. | 0:17:03 | 0:17:05 | |
Well, we've got a lovely example here | 0:17:11 | 0:17:15 | |
of a 15th-century figure of Christ. | 0:17:15 | 0:17:19 | |
The cross has been lost and his arms originally would've come upwards | 0:17:19 | 0:17:22 | |
at quite a sharp angle and quite a lot of care has been taken | 0:17:22 | 0:17:27 | |
to paint on these very gory, dripping bits of blood. | 0:17:27 | 0:17:32 | |
The crucifixion itself wasn't necessarily a bloody act. | 0:17:32 | 0:17:35 | |
Most people that are crucified suffocate | 0:17:35 | 0:17:38 | |
from the pressure of their bodies pulling down on the cross, | 0:17:38 | 0:17:41 | |
but in the 15th century, | 0:17:41 | 0:17:43 | |
there's an increasing elaboration on the blood | 0:17:43 | 0:17:47 | |
that came out during the crucifixion. | 0:17:47 | 0:17:49 | |
I can really picture the scene in Julian's sickroom. | 0:17:51 | 0:17:57 | |
She's ill, | 0:17:57 | 0:17:59 | |
she thinks she's about to die | 0:17:59 | 0:18:01 | |
and the priest holds a crucifix up in front of her | 0:18:01 | 0:18:05 | |
and she sees a vision of pain, of suffering. | 0:18:05 | 0:18:10 | |
She says, "And in this suddenly I saw the red blood trickle down | 0:18:11 | 0:18:17 | |
"from under the garland, hot and freshly, plenteously and vividly." | 0:18:17 | 0:18:24 | |
She is describing this hot blood, this pain | 0:18:24 | 0:18:29 | |
and it's amazing to be in the presence of an object | 0:18:29 | 0:18:32 | |
that would've inspired her. | 0:18:32 | 0:18:34 | |
But Julian didn't die. | 0:18:36 | 0:18:38 | |
'Over the next day and night, she had 16 visions, or revelations.' | 0:18:38 | 0:18:44 | |
It's quite moving, seeing that crucifix. | 0:18:44 | 0:18:48 | |
It actually really helps me to make sense of her revelations. | 0:18:48 | 0:18:52 | |
It's also amazing to think that after she saw that, | 0:18:52 | 0:18:55 | |
her life changed completely. | 0:18:55 | 0:18:58 | |
'As a mystic, Julian now had a direct relationship with God, | 0:19:08 | 0:19:13 | |
'unmediated by the church. | 0:19:13 | 0:19:15 | |
'She made a drastic decision. | 0:19:15 | 0:19:17 | |
'She became an anchoress. | 0:19:17 | 0:19:20 | |
'An anchoress was a female religious hermit, | 0:19:21 | 0:19:24 | |
'who devoted her life to God | 0:19:24 | 0:19:26 | |
'by living as a solitary, walled up in just one small room.' | 0:19:26 | 0:19:30 | |
Julian spent the rest of her life in a cell | 0:19:34 | 0:19:36 | |
attached to Saint Julian's church in Norwich. | 0:19:36 | 0:19:39 | |
'She may even have taken the name of the church.' | 0:19:42 | 0:19:45 | |
Wow! Look at this place, it's amazing. | 0:19:47 | 0:19:50 | |
The original church was bombed in the Second World War, | 0:19:51 | 0:19:54 | |
but has since been restored. | 0:19:54 | 0:19:57 | |
It's incredible to think that on this spot | 0:19:57 | 0:20:01 | |
Julian would've taken her anchoritic vows of poverty, | 0:20:01 | 0:20:06 | |
chastity and stability of abode. | 0:20:06 | 0:20:10 | |
She was essentially dying to the world, | 0:20:10 | 0:20:13 | |
and as she'd have sat here during those rites, | 0:20:13 | 0:20:17 | |
it would be like being a witness at your own funeral. | 0:20:17 | 0:20:20 | |
It's also incredible to think that, once she went inside this room, | 0:20:20 | 0:20:24 | |
she wasn't to come out again for the rest of her life. | 0:20:24 | 0:20:27 | |
And this is it. | 0:20:39 | 0:20:40 | |
The room where Julian spent the rest of her life. | 0:20:40 | 0:20:44 | |
It's amazing to think of someone being in one room for 30 years. | 0:20:44 | 0:20:50 | |
This isn't actually the original, | 0:20:50 | 0:20:52 | |
but it is built on the foundations of the 14th-century cell | 0:20:52 | 0:20:56 | |
that Julian stayed in. | 0:20:56 | 0:20:58 | |
In fact, Julian might even be buried underneath here, | 0:20:58 | 0:21:01 | |
as a number of anchorites were buried beneath their cells. | 0:21:01 | 0:21:05 | |
There'd have been three windows, | 0:21:05 | 0:21:07 | |
the first one here that looked out onto the street | 0:21:07 | 0:21:11 | |
and here she might have acted almost like an agony aunt, | 0:21:11 | 0:21:14 | |
providing counsel to the people who passed by on this very busy road | 0:21:14 | 0:21:19 | |
to the port, and here she could provide counsel to everybody, | 0:21:19 | 0:21:23 | |
from lords and ladies to prostitutes. | 0:21:23 | 0:21:26 | |
Then there would've been another window over here | 0:21:26 | 0:21:29 | |
that looked out to an alcove, | 0:21:29 | 0:21:31 | |
and here Julian would've had a maid, | 0:21:31 | 0:21:34 | |
provided her with food and drink and also removed any waste, | 0:21:34 | 0:21:38 | |
so, all the nitty-gritty of life. | 0:21:38 | 0:21:41 | |
Then there was one more window up here, | 0:21:41 | 0:21:43 | |
which looked out into the church, | 0:21:43 | 0:21:46 | |
and from here Julian would be able to watch the service and take part | 0:21:46 | 0:21:51 | |
in the daily activities of the church. | 0:21:51 | 0:21:54 | |
God had spoken directly to Julian. | 0:22:00 | 0:22:03 | |
But the problem was her God was unconditionally loving, | 0:22:03 | 0:22:08 | |
caring for all humanity with the tender love of a mother | 0:22:08 | 0:22:13 | |
for her children, | 0:22:13 | 0:22:14 | |
looking on sinners with pity, not blame. | 0:22:14 | 0:22:18 | |
In other words, | 0:22:18 | 0:22:19 | |
Julian's God was fundamentally at odds | 0:22:19 | 0:22:23 | |
with the views of the church at her time. | 0:22:23 | 0:22:26 | |
Given how dangerous some of these ideas were, | 0:22:29 | 0:22:32 | |
Julian simply could've kept them to herself, | 0:22:32 | 0:22:35 | |
but instead she took the extraordinary decision | 0:22:35 | 0:22:39 | |
to write them down, and to write them down in English, | 0:22:39 | 0:22:42 | |
so that everybody could understand them. | 0:22:42 | 0:22:45 | |
This is at a time when heretics | 0:22:45 | 0:22:47 | |
are being burned for reading the Bible in English. | 0:22:47 | 0:22:51 | |
I've written books myself and anyone who's tried it | 0:22:51 | 0:22:55 | |
knows it's an incredibly hard thing to do, | 0:22:55 | 0:22:58 | |
but imagine if no woman has done it before you, | 0:22:58 | 0:23:02 | |
if you have to learn to read and write in order to do it | 0:23:02 | 0:23:05 | |
and if you're tackling ideas that are potentially life-threatening. | 0:23:05 | 0:23:10 | |
Julian must have had great courage and determination. | 0:23:10 | 0:23:15 | |
She says, "But just because I am a woman, | 0:23:15 | 0:23:19 | |
"why must I not write of the goodness of God?" | 0:23:19 | 0:23:23 | |
That is what she did. | 0:23:23 | 0:23:24 | |
Here in this room for 30 years, she interrogated her revelations, | 0:23:24 | 0:23:31 | |
developed her own profound theology and recorded it all | 0:23:31 | 0:23:36 | |
in an incredible book. | 0:23:36 | 0:23:37 | |
"These revelations were shown to a simple, | 0:23:41 | 0:23:43 | |
"uneducated creature in the year of our Lord 1373, | 0:23:43 | 0:23:48 | |
"on the eighth day of May." | 0:23:48 | 0:23:50 | |
Julian's book describes her vision | 0:23:58 | 0:24:00 | |
where the suffering of Christ on the cross and the suffering of humanity | 0:24:00 | 0:24:05 | |
are transformed into joy by the unfolding, unconditional, | 0:24:05 | 0:24:10 | |
maternal love of a God, who is able to make all things well. | 0:24:10 | 0:24:14 | |
To understand the full implication of Julian's writing, | 0:24:18 | 0:24:21 | |
I'm meeting with Dr Sarah Salih, | 0:24:21 | 0:24:23 | |
reader in medieval literature at King's College, London. | 0:24:23 | 0:24:26 | |
So, we've been on this journey understanding Julian the woman, | 0:24:28 | 0:24:32 | |
but what's so special about the book, | 0:24:32 | 0:24:34 | |
The Revelations of Divine Love? | 0:24:34 | 0:24:36 | |
She's the first woman author we have in the English canon | 0:24:36 | 0:24:39 | |
and what a book. | 0:24:39 | 0:24:41 | |
What an accomplished and magnificent and sophisticated book | 0:24:41 | 0:24:45 | |
that she wrote. | 0:24:45 | 0:24:46 | |
So it really is a remarkable starting point | 0:24:46 | 0:24:48 | |
if you're interested in the history of women's writing. | 0:24:48 | 0:24:51 | |
Julian's seen as a bit of a feminist icon, isn't she? | 0:24:51 | 0:24:54 | |
We don't even need to make that much of a drama about the fact | 0:24:54 | 0:24:57 | |
that she's a woman, she's just a brilliant writer, isn't she? | 0:24:57 | 0:25:00 | |
She is. Absolutely superb. | 0:25:00 | 0:25:02 | |
The directness of that address, that opening scene on the deathbed, | 0:25:02 | 0:25:07 | |
it's so vivid, so accessible, | 0:25:07 | 0:25:09 | |
you're immediately thrown into the turmoil | 0:25:09 | 0:25:12 | |
and the emotions of the sickroom | 0:25:12 | 0:25:14 | |
and then you go on this tremendous cosmic journey. | 0:25:14 | 0:25:17 | |
"He showed a little thing, the size of a hazelnut, | 0:25:19 | 0:25:21 | |
"lying in the palm of my hand, and it was round as a ball. | 0:25:21 | 0:25:25 | |
"I looked at it with my mind's eye and thought, what can this be? | 0:25:25 | 0:25:30 | |
"And the answer came... | 0:25:30 | 0:25:31 | |
"It is all that is made." | 0:25:31 | 0:25:33 | |
She makes some quite dramatic statements, doesn't she? | 0:25:35 | 0:25:39 | |
So, I see no hell. | 0:25:39 | 0:25:41 | |
Yes, I find that fascinating. | 0:25:41 | 0:25:43 | |
You know, she starts off worrying about the teaching of holy church, | 0:25:43 | 0:25:46 | |
which she understands to be that non-Christians are damned | 0:25:46 | 0:25:50 | |
and she clearly isn't happy with that. | 0:25:50 | 0:25:54 | |
She is not prepared to accept that at some level, | 0:25:54 | 0:25:57 | |
but she is very careful to say that nevertheless, | 0:25:57 | 0:25:59 | |
she doesn't doubt what holy Church teaches. | 0:25:59 | 0:26:01 | |
She does realise that she's potentially on some, | 0:26:01 | 0:26:04 | |
some quite controversial ground here. | 0:26:04 | 0:26:07 | |
"I saw truly that our Lord was never angry, nor never shall be, | 0:26:07 | 0:26:11 | |
"for he is God. | 0:26:11 | 0:26:13 | |
"God is the goodness that cannot be angry, | 0:26:13 | 0:26:15 | |
"for he is nothing but goodness." | 0:26:15 | 0:26:18 | |
She talks about God as mother, doesn't she? | 0:26:18 | 0:26:21 | |
She does, she talks about the motherhood of God, | 0:26:21 | 0:26:23 | |
that Christ in a sense births humanity | 0:26:23 | 0:26:25 | |
in his suffering on the cross, | 0:26:25 | 0:26:27 | |
that God is a mother because he nurtures and cares for | 0:26:27 | 0:26:30 | |
and disciplines the child, | 0:26:30 | 0:26:31 | |
that Christ is a mother because he feeds the child, you know, | 0:26:31 | 0:26:34 | |
with his blood and so the Eucharist is... | 0:26:34 | 0:26:37 | |
is then made equivalent to a mother's breast-feeding her child. | 0:26:37 | 0:26:41 | |
I think that she's a very radical writer. | 0:26:41 | 0:26:44 | |
I find her very brave, very inspiring. | 0:26:44 | 0:26:47 | |
She is, yes. | 0:26:47 | 0:26:48 | |
There is something remarkably fearless in the way | 0:26:48 | 0:26:52 | |
in which she pursues her thought. | 0:26:52 | 0:26:55 | |
I've been reading this book for 20 years and more | 0:26:55 | 0:27:00 | |
and it's different every time you read it. | 0:27:00 | 0:27:03 | |
It is the kind of book that lives with you. | 0:27:03 | 0:27:06 | |
'Julian had done what no woman had done before. | 0:27:08 | 0:27:12 | |
'She'd written a book in English | 0:27:12 | 0:27:14 | |
'because she was determined to share her vision | 0:27:14 | 0:27:16 | |
'of an unconditionally loving God. | 0:27:16 | 0:27:19 | |
'But because her views challenged the Church of her time, | 0:27:19 | 0:27:23 | |
'she was understandably cautious.' | 0:27:23 | 0:27:25 | |
Julian died sometime around 1416, | 0:27:27 | 0:27:30 | |
at which point only a handful of close friends | 0:27:30 | 0:27:33 | |
would've known her text. | 0:27:33 | 0:27:35 | |
But this was a dangerous text to have. | 0:27:35 | 0:27:38 | |
No hell, a loving God and written in English by a woman. | 0:27:38 | 0:27:44 | |
It's no wonder that the manuscript disappears. | 0:27:44 | 0:27:47 | |
Revelations of Divine Love was kept secret. | 0:27:52 | 0:27:55 | |
The manuscript would most probably have been passed from hand to hand | 0:27:55 | 0:27:59 | |
by sympathetic individuals, starting in Norwich and spreading slowly. | 0:27:59 | 0:28:05 | |
'This is where I turn detective, | 0:28:09 | 0:28:11 | |
'to find out what happened to Julian's manuscript.' | 0:28:11 | 0:28:14 | |
Julian lived and died in one room in Norwich, | 0:28:17 | 0:28:20 | |
but her words were on the move. | 0:28:20 | 0:28:23 | |
Pilgrimage was big in the medieval period. | 0:28:26 | 0:28:29 | |
People would travel across the country by foot, but also by donkey. | 0:28:29 | 0:28:34 | |
Even women, usually wealthy ones, were able to travel as pilgrims. | 0:28:38 | 0:28:43 | |
One female pilgrim we know of was Margery Kempe. | 0:28:45 | 0:28:49 | |
Margery Kempe, a woman from King's Lynn, was an intrepid pilgrim. | 0:28:49 | 0:28:54 | |
She travelled across England, Europe, | 0:28:54 | 0:28:57 | |
all the way to the Holy Land. | 0:28:57 | 0:28:59 | |
She came here to the shrine of Mary in Walsingham. | 0:28:59 | 0:29:02 | |
But she also visited Julian in her cell, just before Julian died. | 0:29:02 | 0:29:07 | |
We know that Margery visited Julian, | 0:29:10 | 0:29:12 | |
because she wrote about it in The Book of Margery Kempe, | 0:29:12 | 0:29:16 | |
which she dictated to a scribe in 1436. | 0:29:16 | 0:29:20 | |
This is the first autobiography in English. | 0:29:20 | 0:29:24 | |
Now, where did Margery get the idea to write a book? | 0:29:24 | 0:29:29 | |
Perhaps Julian entrusted her manuscript to Margery, | 0:29:29 | 0:29:32 | |
and Margery, as she travelled the country, | 0:29:32 | 0:29:35 | |
passed it to people sympathetic to Julian's ideas, | 0:29:35 | 0:29:38 | |
leaving it in the library of a monastery or private house. | 0:29:38 | 0:29:42 | |
Julian's book was a dangerous read, | 0:29:44 | 0:29:47 | |
but it was about to get even more dangerous. | 0:29:47 | 0:29:50 | |
During the Protestant Reformation, | 0:29:55 | 0:29:57 | |
the Church of England broke away from the Roman Catholic Church. | 0:29:57 | 0:30:01 | |
Monastic life was regarded as ungodly and abolished. | 0:30:01 | 0:30:05 | |
In 1534, Henry VIII, with the help of Thomas Cromwell, | 0:30:06 | 0:30:10 | |
passed the Act of Supremacy | 0:30:10 | 0:30:13 | |
and began the Dissolution of the Monasteries, | 0:30:13 | 0:30:16 | |
also known as the biggest land grab in history. | 0:30:16 | 0:30:19 | |
Walsingham Abbey was destroyed | 0:30:21 | 0:30:23 | |
and all its possessions were given to the king. | 0:30:23 | 0:30:26 | |
In religious institutions across the country, | 0:30:26 | 0:30:28 | |
this process was also taking place | 0:30:28 | 0:30:31 | |
and the manuscripts of the great libraries were either destroyed | 0:30:31 | 0:30:35 | |
or sold off. | 0:30:35 | 0:30:36 | |
During the Dissolution of the Monasteries | 0:30:39 | 0:30:41 | |
and the Reformation that followed, | 0:30:41 | 0:30:43 | |
a great many religious books were lost forever. | 0:30:43 | 0:30:46 | |
Protestants regarded visionary experiences such as Julian's | 0:30:47 | 0:30:51 | |
with suspicion and sometimes even denounced them as witchcraft. | 0:30:51 | 0:30:55 | |
'Julian's manuscript, read by only a few, | 0:30:58 | 0:31:01 | |
'appeared to be one more casualty of the religious turmoil | 0:31:01 | 0:31:04 | |
'of the 16th century. | 0:31:04 | 0:31:07 | |
'But as it turned out, Julian's manuscript had escaped destruction.' | 0:31:08 | 0:31:13 | |
'We owe the survival of Julian's book | 0:31:18 | 0:31:21 | |
to nine adventurous young women, | 0:31:21 | 0:31:23 | |
'who in 1623 left England to set up a monastery in exile in France, | 0:31:23 | 0:31:29 | |
'as all monastic life was banned in England. | 0:31:29 | 0:31:32 | |
'They had a copy of Julian's manuscript. | 0:31:33 | 0:31:35 | |
'Without them, Julian's writings would have been lost forever.' | 0:31:37 | 0:31:41 | |
I'm driving into the heart of the North Yorkshire moors, | 0:31:41 | 0:31:45 | |
because there's someone here who can help me pick up the trail | 0:31:45 | 0:31:48 | |
of Julian's lost manuscript. | 0:31:48 | 0:31:50 | |
'Stanbrook Abbey in Wass | 0:31:55 | 0:31:57 | |
'is the new home of the order of Benedictine nuns, | 0:31:57 | 0:32:01 | |
'first established in France by those nine young English women.' | 0:32:01 | 0:32:04 | |
This award-winning building is a fitting testimony | 0:32:06 | 0:32:10 | |
for the indomitable spirit | 0:32:10 | 0:32:11 | |
of the founding sisters and the generations that followed them. | 0:32:11 | 0:32:15 | |
I've come to meet Abbess Andrea. | 0:32:15 | 0:32:18 | |
Hello, welcome to Stanbrook. | 0:32:20 | 0:32:22 | |
-So lovely to see you. -It's lovely to meet you. Come on in. -Thank you. | 0:32:22 | 0:32:27 | |
BELL RINGS | 0:32:27 | 0:32:28 | |
GENTLE ORGAN MUSIC | 0:32:33 | 0:32:35 | |
# Call out my sisters... # | 0:32:35 | 0:32:40 | |
THEY SING INDISTINCTLY | 0:32:42 | 0:32:44 | |
Abbess Andrea and Sister Scholastica | 0:33:05 | 0:33:08 | |
explained why the nine young women who founded their order | 0:33:08 | 0:33:12 | |
play such a vital role in the survival of Julian's text. | 0:33:12 | 0:33:16 | |
So these nine young women, they fascinate me. | 0:33:16 | 0:33:19 | |
They're obviously coming from a long tradition of educated... | 0:33:19 | 0:33:23 | |
educated women. | 0:33:23 | 0:33:25 | |
I mean, they clearly had vocations. It was a spiritual call, | 0:33:25 | 0:33:28 | |
they were searching for God, | 0:33:28 | 0:33:30 | |
but it was also an opportunity for them to continue their education, | 0:33:30 | 0:33:34 | |
continue to read, to write, to study. | 0:33:34 | 0:33:39 | |
This is what I find fascinating, as a female academic, | 0:33:39 | 0:33:42 | |
that would've been the life I would've chosen, | 0:33:42 | 0:33:45 | |
not the rounds of having babies and being, you know, | 0:33:45 | 0:33:47 | |
responsible for the household. | 0:33:47 | 0:33:48 | |
For so many of women who went into religious life, | 0:33:48 | 0:33:52 | |
it was their only opportunity to further their education. | 0:33:52 | 0:33:55 | |
What sort of activities are they doing? | 0:33:55 | 0:33:57 | |
And obviously they're writing, aren't they? | 0:33:57 | 0:33:59 | |
They're engaging with texts. | 0:33:59 | 0:34:01 | |
They were doing what age-old monasticism has always done, | 0:34:01 | 0:34:06 | |
you know, they were getting hold of manuscripts and copying them. | 0:34:06 | 0:34:11 | |
So am I right in thinking that one of the texts the nuns copied | 0:34:11 | 0:34:15 | |
very early on was Julian's Revelations? | 0:34:15 | 0:34:18 | |
Yes. Julian must've been there amongst them. | 0:34:18 | 0:34:22 | |
The nuns were clearly reading Julian, | 0:34:23 | 0:34:25 | |
because excerpts from her book were being copied out | 0:34:25 | 0:34:28 | |
'in their personal prayer books in 1649.' | 0:34:28 | 0:34:32 | |
This whole manuscript is a collection of writings, meditations | 0:34:33 | 0:34:38 | |
and Julian is part of it, | 0:34:38 | 0:34:40 | |
so everything that's in here | 0:34:40 | 0:34:42 | |
reflects what they were reading and using for prayer. | 0:34:42 | 0:34:46 | |
And what it shows us, then, is that this text, Julian's text, | 0:34:46 | 0:34:50 | |
is being written, copied and meditated on. | 0:34:50 | 0:34:54 | |
'But sadly, the order no longer has Julian's original manuscript.' | 0:34:54 | 0:34:59 | |
But your archives, they're not complete, are they? | 0:34:59 | 0:35:02 | |
I mean, we lost absolutely everything at the French Revolution. | 0:35:02 | 0:35:06 | |
-That is just astonishing. -We lost everything. | 0:35:06 | 0:35:09 | |
To discover what happened to the nuns' copy of Julian's manuscript, | 0:35:15 | 0:35:18 | |
I need to leave England behind and cross the Channel. | 0:35:18 | 0:35:22 | |
We know that the nine young women who founded the monastery in France | 0:35:29 | 0:35:32 | |
had access to Julian's text. | 0:35:32 | 0:35:36 | |
We don't know if they took a copy of the manuscript with them, | 0:35:36 | 0:35:39 | |
or if it was smuggled out later, but, somehow, | 0:35:39 | 0:35:43 | |
those nuns had a copy of the Revelations of Divine Love. | 0:35:43 | 0:35:48 | |
The young women were from wealthy and high-ranking Catholic families, | 0:35:49 | 0:35:53 | |
and included Gertrude Moore, | 0:35:53 | 0:35:55 | |
the great granddaughter of Sir Thomas Moore. | 0:35:55 | 0:35:58 | |
Possibly, Julian's text had come | 0:35:58 | 0:36:00 | |
from one of their family's libraries. | 0:36:00 | 0:36:03 | |
Roman Catholics still valued visionary experiences of the divine, | 0:36:04 | 0:36:08 | |
like Julian's. | 0:36:08 | 0:36:10 | |
Gertrude Moore was only 17 and the oldest of the group was just 23. | 0:36:10 | 0:36:16 | |
'They must have been motivated by religion, | 0:36:17 | 0:36:19 | |
'but perhaps they were also driven by a sense of adventure.' | 0:36:19 | 0:36:23 | |
By the desire to travel and explore the world. | 0:36:23 | 0:36:26 | |
Why would they be any different from young women today? | 0:36:26 | 0:36:29 | |
'For a woman in the 17th century, | 0:36:31 | 0:36:33 | |
'life as a nun could give far more freedom and independence | 0:36:33 | 0:36:36 | |
'than marriage.' | 0:36:36 | 0:36:37 | |
The young women had arrived here, in Cambrai. | 0:36:41 | 0:36:44 | |
It's now part of northern France, | 0:36:44 | 0:36:46 | |
but at the time it was part of the Spanish Netherlands. | 0:36:46 | 0:36:50 | |
I'm here on the Rue des Anglaises, | 0:36:52 | 0:36:55 | |
which is actually named after the nine Benedictine nuns | 0:36:55 | 0:36:59 | |
who set up their convent just down there. | 0:36:59 | 0:37:02 | |
There, they were ordained, they lived, they worked, | 0:37:02 | 0:37:05 | |
they studied. | 0:37:05 | 0:37:06 | |
Their lives would've been very similar, in fact, | 0:37:06 | 0:37:09 | |
to that of the nuns at Stanbrook Abbey. | 0:37:09 | 0:37:11 | |
There's very little left of the original monastery, | 0:37:13 | 0:37:15 | |
but it is marked on a 17th-century map. | 0:37:15 | 0:37:18 | |
Throughout the century, | 0:37:20 | 0:37:21 | |
the monastery grew, as more young women from England | 0:37:21 | 0:37:24 | |
joined the founding nine. | 0:37:24 | 0:37:26 | |
'In 1670, the man who was chaplain to the English nuns in France, | 0:37:30 | 0:37:34 | |
Serenus Cressy, published a printed translation of Julian's text, | 0:37:34 | 0:37:38 | |
based on a handwritten copy made by the nuns. | 0:37:38 | 0:37:42 | |
He played down Julian's more challenging ideas. | 0:37:44 | 0:37:47 | |
Even so, back in England, | 0:37:49 | 0:37:51 | |
the book was vilified as the fanatical revelations | 0:37:51 | 0:37:54 | |
of a distempered brain and dismissed. | 0:37:54 | 0:37:57 | |
But the English Benedictine nuns in Cambrai | 0:38:01 | 0:38:04 | |
continued to treasure and defend Julian's writing. | 0:38:04 | 0:38:08 | |
In fact, when their male superiors in the Benedictine order | 0:38:09 | 0:38:13 | |
demanded to inspect their library for poisonous material, | 0:38:13 | 0:38:16 | |
the nuns refused to hand over their books. | 0:38:16 | 0:38:20 | |
-Lovely to see you. -Nice to meet you. | 0:38:20 | 0:38:23 | |
Fabien Laforge, curator at the municipal library in Cambrai, | 0:38:25 | 0:38:29 | |
has evidence of just how impressive the nuns' library was. | 0:38:29 | 0:38:33 | |
So, we've got these wonderful manuscripts. | 0:38:35 | 0:38:38 | |
Your store of manuscripts is incredible. | 0:38:38 | 0:38:41 | |
-So, this was in the library of the Cambrai nuns? -Yes. -Brilliant. | 0:38:41 | 0:38:45 | |
Oh, look at this! | 0:38:45 | 0:38:46 | |
Oh, wow! | 0:38:46 | 0:38:48 | |
This is an English manuscript | 0:38:48 | 0:38:49 | |
and this, er, this book of sovereign medicines. | 0:38:49 | 0:38:53 | |
This is a compilation. | 0:38:53 | 0:38:55 | |
You have, the receipt, er... | 0:38:55 | 0:38:57 | |
-Oh, now that... -to fight the plague. | 0:38:57 | 0:38:59 | |
-What? The plague? -Yes. | 0:38:59 | 0:39:01 | |
-Oh, my gosh. -To fight the plague. | 0:39:01 | 0:39:02 | |
Yes, this is an antidote against the plague. | 0:39:02 | 0:39:06 | |
-Mm. -I wonder if it works? -I never try it. | 0:39:06 | 0:39:08 | |
You haven't tried it?! They might have had the answer all along. | 0:39:08 | 0:39:12 | |
Gosh, look, so you need saffron, shell, egg white, | 0:39:12 | 0:39:16 | |
oh, this is it, we've got the key, | 0:39:16 | 0:39:17 | |
now we know what to do next time there's a plague. | 0:39:17 | 0:39:20 | |
What a practical book. | 0:39:20 | 0:39:22 | |
And it does make you think, doesn't it, | 0:39:22 | 0:39:24 | |
if this is coming out of the convent in Cambrai, | 0:39:24 | 0:39:26 | |
they're really interested in a variety of things? | 0:39:26 | 0:39:29 | |
Fabien also has an 18th-century catalogue | 0:39:31 | 0:39:34 | |
of the nuns' books, made 170 years after the order was founded. | 0:39:34 | 0:39:39 | |
How many manuscripts and books do they list for Cambrai? | 0:39:39 | 0:39:43 | |
We have 1,000 manuscripts, handwritten manuscripts. | 0:39:43 | 0:39:45 | |
-Handwritten manuscripts? -Yes. | 0:39:45 | 0:39:47 | |
Wow, so that again makes me think, this is an active scriptorium, | 0:39:47 | 0:39:50 | |
this is a busy library where they're copying texts... | 0:39:50 | 0:39:54 | |
Yes, this is one of the clues. | 0:39:54 | 0:39:55 | |
Do we have any evidence then for Julian coming out of this catalogue? | 0:39:55 | 0:39:59 | |
Yes, in the catalogue we have one... | 0:39:59 | 0:40:02 | |
particular occurrence. | 0:40:02 | 0:40:04 | |
'The catalogue shows that the nuns had 15 printed copies | 0:40:05 | 0:40:09 | |
'of Julian's text but the original manuscript is not listed. | 0:40:09 | 0:40:14 | |
'However, some pages of the catalogue | 0:40:14 | 0:40:16 | |
'are damaged and unreadable.' | 0:40:16 | 0:40:18 | |
It lists no manuscripts of Julian? | 0:40:19 | 0:40:21 | |
No known manuscripts. | 0:40:21 | 0:40:23 | |
-No known manuscripts. So it still could be found? -Yes! -Oh! | 0:40:23 | 0:40:29 | |
Got to keep looking for it! | 0:40:29 | 0:40:30 | |
For six generations, | 0:40:33 | 0:40:34 | |
the English Benedictine nuns in France | 0:40:34 | 0:40:37 | |
had preserved Julian's manuscript, | 0:40:37 | 0:40:39 | |
copying the text and defending their right to read it. | 0:40:39 | 0:40:42 | |
But the French Revolution was to change all that. | 0:40:44 | 0:40:47 | |
The revolutionary government abolished the French monarchy | 0:40:49 | 0:40:52 | |
and declared the church an oppressive institution. | 0:40:52 | 0:40:57 | |
For nearly two centuries, | 0:40:57 | 0:40:58 | |
the nuns were left to their prayers and their books | 0:40:58 | 0:41:02 | |
but in 1793, a group of revolutionary Horse Guards | 0:41:02 | 0:41:06 | |
turned up here | 0:41:06 | 0:41:08 | |
and they told the nuns they had just a quarter of an hour | 0:41:08 | 0:41:11 | |
to get their stuff together and get out. | 0:41:11 | 0:41:13 | |
They weren't allowed to take boxes or trunks, | 0:41:13 | 0:41:16 | |
just a small bundle each, and all their books were confiscated. | 0:41:16 | 0:41:21 | |
The monastery of the English nuns, | 0:41:26 | 0:41:28 | |
including their library of books and manuscripts, | 0:41:28 | 0:41:32 | |
was confiscated by the revolutionaries | 0:41:32 | 0:41:34 | |
and the nuns were imprisoned. | 0:41:34 | 0:41:36 | |
They shared their prison with 16 French Carmelite nuns | 0:41:37 | 0:41:41 | |
until, one day, open wagons arrived | 0:41:41 | 0:41:44 | |
to take the French nuns to trial in Paris. | 0:41:44 | 0:41:48 | |
I'm here at Place de la Nation in the shadow of Lady Liberty. | 0:41:51 | 0:41:56 | |
Just over there, one of the busiest guillotines in the city was set up. | 0:41:57 | 0:42:02 | |
Over 50 people a day were being led to their death. | 0:42:02 | 0:42:06 | |
On the 17th of July, 1794, | 0:42:07 | 0:42:09 | |
the 16 Carmelite nuns that were imprisoned with | 0:42:10 | 0:42:14 | |
the English Benedictines | 0:42:14 | 0:42:16 | |
went to the guillotine singing. | 0:42:16 | 0:42:18 | |
The French Carmelite nuns were executed... | 0:42:18 | 0:42:21 | |
..and the English nuns believed they would go next. | 0:42:23 | 0:42:26 | |
This is a private graveyard, Picpus Cemetery, | 0:42:31 | 0:42:35 | |
where the bodies of the French nuns are buried. | 0:42:35 | 0:42:37 | |
Wow. | 0:42:51 | 0:42:52 | |
Amazing to think that, tucked behind all those other graves, | 0:42:54 | 0:42:58 | |
there's this separate section where you've just got two | 0:42:58 | 0:43:03 | |
great, big squares in the ground, | 0:43:03 | 0:43:06 | |
designating pits where 1,306 bodies were dumped | 0:43:06 | 0:43:13 | |
and they're referred to as martyrs' graves. | 0:43:13 | 0:43:16 | |
Over there, in amongst all the other bones, | 0:43:17 | 0:43:20 | |
are the bodies of our Carmelite nuns. | 0:43:20 | 0:43:22 | |
The English nuns expected that they, too, would die. | 0:43:27 | 0:43:30 | |
But before they faced the guillotine, | 0:43:31 | 0:43:34 | |
the French Revolution ended and the nuns escaped back to England. | 0:43:34 | 0:43:38 | |
Unable to wear their habits to travel in, | 0:43:40 | 0:43:43 | |
the only clothes they had to wear were those left behind by | 0:43:43 | 0:43:46 | |
the murdered French Carmelite nuns. | 0:43:46 | 0:43:49 | |
The English nuns returned home | 0:43:52 | 0:43:54 | |
wearing the clothes of their martyred French sisters. | 0:43:54 | 0:43:57 | |
Back at Stanbrook Abbey, Abbess Andrea and Sister Scholastica | 0:44:04 | 0:44:08 | |
take me to their private chapel for a rare glimpse | 0:44:08 | 0:44:11 | |
of their most treasured holy relics. | 0:44:11 | 0:44:15 | |
SHE GASPS | 0:44:15 | 0:44:16 | |
This is the reliquary of the Carmelite martyrs. | 0:44:16 | 0:44:20 | |
It's the relics that survived, that came back. | 0:44:20 | 0:44:24 | |
It's actually some of the clothes that our community wore | 0:44:24 | 0:44:27 | |
-when they came back from prison. -Really? | 0:44:27 | 0:44:29 | |
Which... They realised that the Carmelites had been guillotined, | 0:44:29 | 0:44:33 | |
they realised they were martyrs and they realised just how valuable | 0:44:33 | 0:44:37 | |
those clothes were and, later, this beautiful reliquary was made. | 0:44:37 | 0:44:41 | |
This is the actual story. | 0:44:41 | 0:44:43 | |
You can see the Carmelites getting into the open wagons | 0:44:43 | 0:44:46 | |
-and you can see us looking out the window. -Oh, yes, there you are! | 0:44:46 | 0:44:49 | |
-Goodness! -So we were looking down onto the sisters | 0:44:49 | 0:44:51 | |
as they got into the open wagons | 0:44:51 | 0:44:53 | |
-that were going to take them to the guillotine. -The guillotine. | 0:44:53 | 0:44:56 | |
And the central picture, obviously, is the guillotine. | 0:44:56 | 0:45:00 | |
Obviously, this is the shrine. | 0:45:01 | 0:45:03 | |
Inside, we have the relics. | 0:45:03 | 0:45:05 | |
We're not going to open it? | 0:45:05 | 0:45:07 | |
-SHE GASPS -Those are the seals that were put on | 0:45:13 | 0:45:15 | |
when it was actually authenticated as being the real relics. | 0:45:15 | 0:45:18 | |
There inside, you can see a little bit of a shoe - | 0:45:18 | 0:45:22 | |
I think it was like an espadrille - | 0:45:22 | 0:45:23 | |
and there's some little bits of the material that you can see. | 0:45:23 | 0:45:26 | |
-You can still see the pattern on the material. -Look at that! | 0:45:26 | 0:45:29 | |
You can see the colours. Red and... | 0:45:29 | 0:45:30 | |
There's a flower there in red and pink! | 0:45:30 | 0:45:32 | |
-It's been preserved so well, hasn't it? -I can't believe it! | 0:45:32 | 0:45:35 | |
That's what the Carmelites wore until | 0:45:35 | 0:45:37 | |
they went off to the guillotine. | 0:45:37 | 0:45:39 | |
That's what our community wore in 1795 when they came back. | 0:45:39 | 0:45:43 | |
Wonderful! | 0:45:43 | 0:45:45 | |
'The nuns were lucky to escape with their lives.' | 0:45:45 | 0:45:48 | |
For six generations, | 0:45:49 | 0:45:51 | |
they had protected and kept alive Julian's book, | 0:45:51 | 0:45:54 | |
but now their original manuscript and all their copies were lost... | 0:45:54 | 0:45:59 | |
..or were they? | 0:46:00 | 0:46:01 | |
Perhaps somewhere on the Continent, | 0:46:05 | 0:46:07 | |
a copy of Julian's manuscript made by the English Benedictine nuns | 0:46:07 | 0:46:11 | |
was waiting to be discovered. | 0:46:11 | 0:46:13 | |
For nearly 500 years, | 0:46:23 | 0:46:25 | |
Revelations Of Divine Love had been suppressed | 0:46:25 | 0:46:28 | |
because it was written by a woman | 0:46:28 | 0:46:30 | |
and because it challenged the orthodox views of the Church of | 0:46:30 | 0:46:34 | |
Julian's own time and of the centuries that followed. | 0:46:34 | 0:46:37 | |
But at the beginning of the 20th century, | 0:46:38 | 0:46:40 | |
a tide was rising in the sea of history. | 0:46:40 | 0:46:43 | |
Throughout the country, women's voices were pressing to be heard. | 0:46:45 | 0:46:49 | |
Women were beginning to experience greater freedom | 0:46:50 | 0:46:53 | |
and to demand access to power and education. | 0:46:53 | 0:46:57 | |
Oxford University had opened its doors to women, | 0:46:57 | 0:47:00 | |
despite the fact that this was widely condemned | 0:47:00 | 0:47:03 | |
as unchristian and dangerous. | 0:47:03 | 0:47:06 | |
In 1903, Emmeline Pankhurst | 0:47:06 | 0:47:09 | |
founded the Women's Social and Political Union | 0:47:09 | 0:47:12 | |
and their members were the first to be known as the suffragettes. | 0:47:12 | 0:47:16 | |
For the first time in history, | 0:47:16 | 0:47:18 | |
women were actively campaigning for equality with men. | 0:47:18 | 0:47:22 | |
By now, a woman from a wealthy family had the freedom to study, | 0:47:23 | 0:47:28 | |
to write and to travel. | 0:47:28 | 0:47:30 | |
In 1901, a middle-aged, single woman got off the train from Edinburgh | 0:47:35 | 0:47:40 | |
and was heading for the British Museum. | 0:47:40 | 0:47:42 | |
Grace Warrick had come to London on a mission. | 0:47:44 | 0:47:48 | |
She planned to publish a modern translation of Julian's text. | 0:47:49 | 0:47:54 | |
Hi there. British Library, please. | 0:47:55 | 0:47:57 | |
Grace Warrick was from a staunchly Presbyterian Scottish ship-owning | 0:48:00 | 0:48:04 | |
family but we really don't know much more about her. | 0:48:04 | 0:48:08 | |
How a Scottish Presbyterian came across the writings | 0:48:08 | 0:48:11 | |
of an obscure 14th-century English mystic is a complete mystery. | 0:48:11 | 0:48:16 | |
Grace is the most unlikely of heroines, | 0:48:19 | 0:48:21 | |
but it turns out she was the right woman at the right time. | 0:48:21 | 0:48:25 | |
The woman Julian's text had been waiting for. | 0:48:27 | 0:48:30 | |
She wanted Julian's voice to sing out to the world. | 0:48:33 | 0:48:36 | |
Grace owned a rare printed copy of Revelations Of Divine Love, | 0:48:41 | 0:48:46 | |
but this was a 17th-century male interpretation of Julian. | 0:48:46 | 0:48:51 | |
Grace was looking for Julian's original manuscript | 0:48:51 | 0:48:55 | |
and she had an idea of where to find it. | 0:48:55 | 0:48:58 | |
I'm following in Grace's footsteps | 0:49:00 | 0:49:02 | |
and I've come here to the British Library | 0:49:02 | 0:49:05 | |
to see if I can find Julian's manuscript. | 0:49:05 | 0:49:08 | |
At the Reading Room of the British Library, | 0:49:12 | 0:49:14 | |
then part of the British Museum, | 0:49:14 | 0:49:16 | |
Grace probably went through the 18th-century catalogue | 0:49:16 | 0:49:19 | |
of the Hans Sloane collection. | 0:49:19 | 0:49:22 | |
Hans Sloane was an extremely wealthy doctor | 0:49:26 | 0:49:29 | |
who, at his death in 1753, | 0:49:29 | 0:49:32 | |
bequeathed his collection of 71,000 objects to the nation. | 0:49:32 | 0:49:36 | |
This formed the basis of the British Museum | 0:49:38 | 0:49:40 | |
and included some 50,000 books, manuscripts and prints. | 0:49:40 | 0:49:44 | |
The manuscripts were listed by number. | 0:49:45 | 0:49:49 | |
No-one knows how a copy of Julian's manuscript | 0:49:49 | 0:49:51 | |
came into the Sloane collection | 0:49:51 | 0:49:54 | |
but filed in the 18th-century catalogue, under the heading | 0:49:54 | 0:49:58 | |
Magic And Witchcraft, was the manuscript Grace was after. | 0:49:58 | 0:50:01 | |
MS Sloane 2499. | 0:50:04 | 0:50:06 | |
Entitled only "Revelations to one who could not read a letter, 1373". | 0:50:07 | 0:50:14 | |
Gosh. | 0:50:20 | 0:50:21 | |
Here it is. | 0:50:21 | 0:50:22 | |
MS Sloane 2499. | 0:50:22 | 0:50:25 | |
This is probably as close as I will ever get to the original manuscript | 0:50:29 | 0:50:34 | |
of Julian's Revelations Of Divine Love. | 0:50:34 | 0:50:36 | |
This is a 17th-century copy of a now lost medieval manuscript. | 0:50:51 | 0:50:57 | |
It was made by one of the English Benedictine nuns in France. | 0:50:57 | 0:51:02 | |
It's written in an East Anglian dialect | 0:51:03 | 0:51:06 | |
and is believed to be the nearest we can get to Julian's original text. | 0:51:06 | 0:51:10 | |
You can almost hear that East Anglian voice coming through. | 0:51:13 | 0:51:16 | |
Here's that famous line, "Sin is behovable but all shall be well, | 0:51:16 | 0:51:24 | |
"all shall be well, and all manner of things shall be well." | 0:51:24 | 0:51:28 | |
This is the actual manuscript that Grace copied out by hand | 0:51:34 | 0:51:39 | |
in the Reading Room at the British Museum | 0:51:39 | 0:51:42 | |
and it took her just one month. | 0:51:42 | 0:51:44 | |
I'm surprised at the condition of this. | 0:51:46 | 0:51:48 | |
It's really hard to read. | 0:51:48 | 0:51:50 | |
The paper's incredibly stained, | 0:51:50 | 0:51:53 | |
the ink is biting through from the other side, | 0:51:53 | 0:51:56 | |
so it's hard to make out the individual words. | 0:51:56 | 0:51:59 | |
I'm amazed that Grace was able to transcribe from this. | 0:51:59 | 0:52:04 | |
She then went back up to Edinburgh | 0:52:06 | 0:52:07 | |
and translated it into modern English. | 0:52:07 | 0:52:10 | |
She managed to persuade Methuen | 0:52:10 | 0:52:12 | |
to publish it and Grace's translation was hugely popular. | 0:52:12 | 0:52:17 | |
It's been reprinted multiple times and, thanks to her, | 0:52:17 | 0:52:21 | |
the Revelations Of Divine Love have never since been out of print. | 0:52:21 | 0:52:24 | |
Because Grace played such an important role in the contemporary | 0:52:26 | 0:52:30 | |
recognition of Julian's writing, | 0:52:30 | 0:52:32 | |
I went to meet her great-nephew, John Warrick, and his wife, Lucy. | 0:52:32 | 0:52:37 | |
Do you have any memories of her? Do you actually remember her? | 0:52:39 | 0:52:42 | |
I must have been just four and we were taken to see Aunt Grace and her | 0:52:42 | 0:52:46 | |
elder sister, Robina, Aunt Bina. | 0:52:46 | 0:52:49 | |
-Aunt Bina! -And I just can remember | 0:52:49 | 0:52:52 | |
these two old ladies sitting, one on | 0:52:52 | 0:52:55 | |
each side of the fire in the house, | 0:52:55 | 0:52:57 | |
a very nice atmosphere of warmth and kindness. | 0:52:57 | 0:53:02 | |
John's grandfather was a Wee Free Presbyterian. | 0:53:02 | 0:53:07 | |
You know, everything very, very fierce, | 0:53:07 | 0:53:08 | |
nobody was allowed to read any books except the Bible and | 0:53:08 | 0:53:12 | |
The Pilgrim's Progress on a Sunday, that kind of thing, | 0:53:12 | 0:53:15 | |
and there she was, | 0:53:15 | 0:53:17 | |
plunging into this late medieval Catholic world and producing this | 0:53:17 | 0:53:22 | |
brilliant translation and notes and introduction and book and everything | 0:53:22 | 0:53:27 | |
about somebody you would think | 0:53:27 | 0:53:28 | |
very alien to the atmosphere in which she was living. | 0:53:28 | 0:53:32 | |
She has no training in medieval languages and yet she wants to | 0:53:32 | 0:53:36 | |
go into these mystical texts, these medieval texts. | 0:53:36 | 0:53:39 | |
It's perfectly possible that in a school room | 0:53:39 | 0:53:41 | |
she would have read Chaucer. | 0:53:41 | 0:53:42 | |
The move into Julian's kind of English | 0:53:42 | 0:53:44 | |
wouldn't have been that difficult. | 0:53:44 | 0:53:47 | |
'I've brought a special surprise to show John and Lucy. | 0:53:47 | 0:53:51 | |
'Grace's handwritten copy of Sloane 2499.' | 0:53:51 | 0:53:55 | |
Stanbrook Abbey have very kindly let us have a look at some of | 0:53:56 | 0:54:00 | |
the materials they've got from Grace. | 0:54:00 | 0:54:02 | |
-Look at this! -May I undo it? | 0:54:02 | 0:54:05 | |
Please! | 0:54:05 | 0:54:06 | |
Left to the Abbey by Grace. | 0:54:06 | 0:54:09 | |
This is it. An amazing discovery! | 0:54:12 | 0:54:15 | |
These are all the notes she made originally | 0:54:16 | 0:54:20 | |
while she was translating Julian. | 0:54:20 | 0:54:23 | |
This is what was coming off her pen | 0:54:25 | 0:54:27 | |
as she was looking at the original manuscript. | 0:54:27 | 0:54:30 | |
-This is really good. -Absolutely fascinating. | 0:54:30 | 0:54:32 | |
Isn't this wonderful? | 0:54:32 | 0:54:33 | |
-Fascinating. -And here she says, | 0:54:33 | 0:54:35 | |
"This manuscript is said to be in a 17th-century handwriting," | 0:54:35 | 0:54:39 | |
but that it's coming from the 14th-century text. | 0:54:39 | 0:54:43 | |
"Here beginneth the first revelation | 0:54:43 | 0:54:45 | |
"of the precious crowning of Christ in the first chapter | 0:54:45 | 0:54:50 | |
"and how God fulfilleth the heart with most joy." | 0:54:50 | 0:54:53 | |
It's just... I think it's just so wonderful to rediscover her | 0:54:53 | 0:54:56 | |
through these texts all this time later | 0:54:56 | 0:54:59 | |
and the more detective work we've done, the more is coming to light. | 0:54:59 | 0:55:03 | |
There are currently over 20 modern English translations | 0:55:06 | 0:55:09 | |
of Julian's text available, | 0:55:09 | 0:55:11 | |
mostly based, like Grace's, on the Sloane manuscript. | 0:55:11 | 0:55:15 | |
But maybe the story of the book is, | 0:55:17 | 0:55:20 | |
to use Julian's own words, | 0:55:20 | 0:55:22 | |
not yet performed. | 0:55:22 | 0:55:23 | |
Manuscripts turn up all the time | 0:55:25 | 0:55:27 | |
and that's the great excitement of being a medievalist | 0:55:27 | 0:55:30 | |
is that, all of a sudden, your knowledge about a text | 0:55:30 | 0:55:33 | |
can be transformed by a new manuscript that comes to light. | 0:55:33 | 0:55:36 | |
Maybe somewhere in a monastic library or | 0:55:36 | 0:55:39 | |
a municipal library in France, | 0:55:39 | 0:55:41 | |
there is resting an early copy of the long text of Julian. | 0:55:41 | 0:55:44 | |
But thanks to Grace Warrick, Julian now has the reputation she deserves. | 0:55:45 | 0:55:50 | |
This stained glass window was made in 2002 for the Chapel Royal | 0:55:53 | 0:55:58 | |
at St James's Palace, the Queen's private chapel. | 0:55:58 | 0:56:02 | |
Julian is now acknowledged by both Catholics and Anglicans | 0:56:02 | 0:56:06 | |
and her writing is respected worldwide, | 0:56:06 | 0:56:09 | |
translated into every major European language, | 0:56:09 | 0:56:12 | |
even Finnish and Catalan. | 0:56:12 | 0:56:14 | |
People travel from all over the world to visit her cell in Norwich. | 0:56:16 | 0:56:21 | |
Today, St Julian's church is hosting a group of pilgrims | 0:56:21 | 0:56:24 | |
from North Carolina. | 0:56:24 | 0:56:26 | |
Welcome. Welcome properly. | 0:56:26 | 0:56:29 | |
So, you've come to see the cell of Julian. | 0:56:29 | 0:56:32 | |
-It's my second time. -Really? -Yes. | 0:56:32 | 0:56:34 | |
This is my first visit to Julian's shrine. | 0:56:34 | 0:56:36 | |
-Is it? -It's beautiful, it's peaceful. | 0:56:36 | 0:56:39 | |
So, coming to Julian's cell, then, | 0:56:39 | 0:56:40 | |
it's helping you to tap into the history | 0:56:40 | 0:56:42 | |
but also her own spiritual view. | 0:56:42 | 0:56:45 | |
Her spiritual view and her view that women did have a place back then | 0:56:45 | 0:56:50 | |
because we think of them as a minor historical footnote and | 0:56:50 | 0:56:56 | |
this is... You know, you could be influential then, | 0:56:56 | 0:56:58 | |
you could make a difference. | 0:56:58 | 0:57:00 | |
This has been the most incredible journey, | 0:57:02 | 0:57:05 | |
trying to make sense of a text | 0:57:05 | 0:57:07 | |
that's had a really profound effect on me. | 0:57:07 | 0:57:11 | |
I think for any woman who wants to share their ideas, | 0:57:11 | 0:57:15 | |
Julian is the starting point, the inspiration. | 0:57:15 | 0:57:20 | |
It's been emotional, exciting, at times excruciating, | 0:57:20 | 0:57:24 | |
trying to access this woman | 0:57:24 | 0:57:27 | |
who still seems out of reach across the centuries. | 0:57:27 | 0:57:31 | |
So I've come back to where it all began - | 0:57:50 | 0:57:53 | |
the cell that Julian spent her life in | 0:57:53 | 0:57:56 | |
and wrote her revolutionary text in. | 0:57:56 | 0:57:58 | |
She describes seeing the whole universe in a simple hazelnut and, | 0:58:00 | 0:58:05 | |
as I reflect on my experiences, | 0:58:05 | 0:58:08 | |
I also feel like they've reached a sense of completion. | 0:58:08 | 0:58:12 | |
Julian couldn't leave this cell, | 0:58:12 | 0:58:15 | |
but I can. | 0:58:15 | 0:58:17 | |
My journey is now complete. | 0:58:17 | 0:58:20 |