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Lewis started working on a film so bizarre she ended up hating all the | :00:00. | :00:00. | |
footage. Now we can see exclusive unseen footage of the film. -- so | :00:07. | :00:09. | |
bizarre. It is the story of a clown, | :00:10. | :00:11. | |
who was once the premier clown, who is no more the top clown | :00:12. | :00:14. | |
and who is having a difficult time. Can you do fiction | :00:15. | :00:33. | |
about the Holocaust? You will see wonderful things | :00:34. | :00:43. | |
happen to a human being. Because some things things happen | :00:44. | :00:52. | |
that make him think about others besides himself and that's | :00:53. | :00:55. | |
all I'm going to tell you. I've been a comedian for many years, | :00:56. | :01:17. | |
and a Jew for even longer. As a child of a Holocaust survivor - | :01:18. | :01:22. | |
my mother fled from Vienna in 1938 with her playwright father | :01:23. | :01:27. | |
and actress mother - the Holocaust has always been | :01:28. | :01:29. | |
something I've been very aware of. Now, I can already feel some | :01:30. | :01:32. | |
were you thinking "the Holocaust, But stay with us because as | :01:33. | :01:35. | |
a comedian I've always wondered can you actually do comedy about this | :01:36. | :01:42. | |
most difficult and taboo subject? To give you an example, | :01:43. | :01:46. | |
when I used to compere Jewish gigs, I once received a piece of paper | :01:47. | :01:49. | |
backstage and on it was written, "We are a bus-load of concentration | :01:50. | :01:52. | |
camp survivors, can you say hello It just made me think, | :01:53. | :01:55. | |
"What should I do? Go out and say, hello | :01:56. | :02:00. | |
anyone in from Auschwitz?" Now, I don't know if you found that | :02:01. | :02:02. | |
story uncomfortable or wrong Maybe all of them, but I've always | :02:03. | :02:07. | |
been interested in that complex area of comedy when these feelings | :02:08. | :02:11. | |
meet and I'm not alone. A lot of Jewish comedians have found | :02:12. | :02:18. | |
themselves exploring this area just because it's so central | :02:19. | :02:21. | |
to their identity and one of the most remarkable examples | :02:22. | :02:23. | |
of someone who tried this is Jerry Jerry Lewis shot to fame | :02:24. | :02:26. | |
with his legendary double act My first guest became | :02:27. | :02:29. | |
an international star Ladies and gentlemen, | :02:30. | :02:34. | |
welcome Jerry Lewis. You met Dean Martin, | :02:35. | :02:41. | |
how come the two of you teamed up? Well, he was out of work | :02:42. | :02:45. | |
and he needed some help, so I put him on for ten years | :02:46. | :02:47. | |
and then I had to let him go. This got him into films | :02:48. | :02:55. | |
and in the 60s he became a worldwide superstar thanks to leading | :02:56. | :02:58. | |
roles in family comedies. He eventually worked behind | :02:59. | :03:02. | |
the cameras as well. Because you went on to not only | :03:03. | :03:04. | |
do your own stuff but you wrote, From my crew then I wound up getting | :03:05. | :03:09. | |
eight best director of the Year awards in Europe, one | :03:10. | :03:18. | |
here in England. Your own people haven't really given | :03:19. | :03:22. | |
you the kind of accolades that The Americans have no | :03:23. | :03:30. | |
taste, we know that. Then in the early 70s, | :03:31. | :03:33. | |
Lewis embarked on a completely Here is some rare footage of him | :03:34. | :03:36. | |
arriving in Stockholm in traditional goofy Jerry Lewis style to scout | :03:37. | :03:42. | |
locations for his new film It was a story a million miles away | :03:43. | :03:45. | |
from the Nutty Professor. Lewis was to play a clown arrested | :03:46. | :03:51. | |
in Nazi Germany during World War Two His character is then thrown | :03:52. | :03:54. | |
into a concentration camp where he's beaten and forced to lead children | :03:55. | :04:00. | |
into the gas chambers. They have everything I need | :04:01. | :04:03. | |
here for this film and in the ten years that I have been living | :04:04. | :04:09. | |
with this project I have never found The film was shot mainly in Sweden | :04:10. | :04:12. | |
and if you think you've seen it then either you're a liar | :04:13. | :04:22. | |
or you're Jerry Lewis Because the film has | :04:23. | :04:24. | |
never been released. There are a few different copies | :04:25. | :04:27. | |
of the script available online which each purport to be | :04:28. | :04:29. | |
the material used in the film and it's often cited by movie | :04:30. | :04:32. | |
historians as one of the most wanted This is an interesting | :04:33. | :04:35. | |
lost film because very, very few people have really | :04:36. | :04:44. | |
seen anything from it. He has certainly decided to do | :04:45. | :04:48. | |
something different. Over the years, a few | :04:49. | :04:56. | |
photos have appeared, but the air of mystery surrounding | :04:57. | :04:58. | |
the production has created a massive following online with groups | :04:59. | :05:01. | |
knocking around in various corners of the Internet discussing | :05:02. | :05:05. | |
theories about the film. Some fans have even attempted to act | :05:06. | :05:08. | |
out the entire movie. I read the screenplays | :05:09. | :05:18. | |
and I was amazed. I thought, wow, this | :05:19. | :05:20. | |
is actually pretty good, I thought, if we're not going to be | :05:21. | :05:22. | |
able to see this thing, the least What interests me about this | :05:23. | :05:27. | |
production is what exactly was the artistic interpretation | :05:28. | :05:31. | |
and direction for Jerry Lewis when approaching this | :05:32. | :05:34. | |
sensitive subject? It's suggested by many that this | :05:35. | :05:35. | |
started out as a straight drama but gradually evolved with Lewis | :05:36. | :05:37. | |
even attempting to introduce some For instance the main character's | :05:38. | :05:41. | |
name was seemingly changedfrom -- For instance the main character's | :05:42. | :05:49. | |
name was seemingly changed from the Helmut Schmidt | :05:50. | :05:51. | |
to Helmut Doork. It's also possible that Lewis | :05:52. | :05:53. | |
was trying to recreate the comedic Of course, Jews caught up | :05:54. | :05:57. | |
in the Holocaust themselves Here's an example of a joke | :05:58. | :06:00. | |
from that era that I heard. So a Jewish guy is walking down | :06:01. | :06:06. | |
a country lane during the war and Hitler drives past in his car | :06:07. | :06:09. | |
and he pulls up he gets out and he points a pistol at the Jew | :06:10. | :06:12. | |
and says, I want you The Jew has to get down on the floor | :06:13. | :06:19. | |
on the ground and eat the cow pat. Hitler laughs so much | :06:20. | :06:24. | |
he drops his gun, the Jew grabs it, points it at Hitler and says, right, | :06:25. | :06:27. | |
now you get down and eat Then the Jew goes home to his wife | :06:28. | :06:30. | |
and his wife says what have And the Jew says, well, | :06:31. | :06:36. | |
it was all right. Ooh, you'll never guess | :06:37. | :06:39. | |
who I had lunch with! Comedy is our safety | :06:40. | :06:42. | |
valve, without it I think I don't think a man could work, | :06:43. | :06:44. | |
I don't think that a family I don't think that humanity | :06:45. | :06:49. | |
could prevail without laughter. I always felt that there | :06:50. | :06:55. | |
are countless examples of dark serious performances | :06:56. | :07:01. | |
and darkwork by the comedians. -- serious performances and dark | :07:02. | :07:07. | |
work by the comedians. There is a certain touch to it | :07:08. | :07:09. | |
and I'm certainly this film must As you can imagine there's always | :07:10. | :07:12. | |
been a lot of interest in the movie and the Swedish Film Institute has | :07:13. | :07:20. | |
heard many stories There were many articles about it | :07:21. | :07:22. | |
in the daily papers and I was very curious about it since I was a big | :07:23. | :07:28. | |
fan of Jerry Lewis in the 70s I believe it was made | :07:29. | :07:31. | |
in 1964 and even in the 70s you could still see it in Swedish | :07:32. | :07:48. | |
cinemas almost every year. So when he was in this film, | :07:49. | :07:50. | |
I thought it was an American Swedish movie, I thought it would | :07:51. | :07:54. | |
be extremely interesting. I remember Jerry Lewis in prisoner | :07:55. | :08:01. | |
costumes and he looked sad This was a time when I started | :08:02. | :08:04. | |
to get really really interested. The archives of the Swedish Film | :08:05. | :08:16. | |
Institute hold some rare treasures connected directly to | :08:17. | :08:19. | |
the making of the film. This is donated from the stills | :08:20. | :08:24. | |
photographer of the movie. It starts with a letter | :08:25. | :08:30. | |
from Jerry Lewis from 1972 and then you can also find shooting schedules | :08:31. | :08:37. | |
and also address lists to all the members of the team | :08:38. | :08:43. | |
to the actors and actresses and then you have a lot of negatives | :08:44. | :08:49. | |
with stills from the film. I'm very excited now because I'm | :08:50. | :09:03. | |
about see something that no one has really seenbefore which is pictures | :09:04. | :09:06. | |
of the actual film, so some some It's just very iconic, | :09:07. | :09:09. | |
those outfits. It just doesn't seem like a comedy, | :09:10. | :09:23. | |
just in that background. You realise just how powerful | :09:24. | :09:27. | |
the potential is to go wrong This shot is just very effective | :09:28. | :09:30. | |
because there you have a Jewish looking guy with a beard that seems | :09:31. | :09:37. | |
very identical to mine, telling a Nazi exactly | :09:38. | :09:42. | |
what they should be doing, It's a big two fingers stuck | :09:43. | :09:45. | |
up to Hitler as well, and to Nazism because here's | :09:46. | :09:52. | |
a Jewish director making a film, or trying to make a film | :09:53. | :09:54. | |
about the Holocaust Who could look at these pictures | :09:55. | :09:57. | |
and not want to see the film? What's most scary but also most | :09:58. | :10:05. | |
exciting is when you look at the picture and it just looks | :10:06. | :10:10. | |
like it's taken from the Holocaust itself and you just realize how easy | :10:11. | :10:14. | |
it is to get things wrong, but if you got it right, | :10:15. | :10:19. | |
just how strong would that be. I mean, this material | :10:20. | :10:27. | |
because it's so on the edge, because it's so taboo | :10:28. | :10:30. | |
is so dangerous but that's where you want to go as an artist | :10:31. | :10:34. | |
but as a comedian as well, you want to go right to the edge | :10:35. | :10:37. | |
to see if it's still funny to see And there's a whole difficult area | :10:38. | :10:41. | |
of whether he has the right to keep, once a thing is made, | :10:42. | :11:09. | |
whether he has the right to not allow it out there but I think | :11:10. | :11:13. | |
when you look at these pictures and you realise just how badly | :11:14. | :11:21. | |
it could it could go, how offensive it could be, | :11:22. | :11:24. | |
then he's probably done the right thing to say, don't | :11:25. | :11:31. | |
put that out there. So I'm torn, because I want to see | :11:32. | :11:33. | |
the picture but on the otherhand I sort of respect him for thinking, | :11:34. | :11:38. | |
no, it's not right, it's not worked I mean, it is a surprise to see | :11:39. | :11:42. | |
the Nutty Professor making a film like this but in another | :11:43. | :11:47. | |
way it isn't. I know comedians, I know "nutty" | :11:48. | :11:49. | |
comedians and I can sort of understand that Jerry Lewis | :11:50. | :11:52. | |
would would want to be seen as more than just this crazy guy who did | :11:53. | :11:55. | |
slapstick and silly voices and had this urge to make a statement | :11:56. | :12:00. | |
in the biggest way possible about his identity | :12:01. | :12:07. | |
and his Jewish identity. What's amazing about this picture | :12:08. | :12:11. | |
with Hitler is that it puts Jerry Lewis in a long | :12:12. | :12:15. | |
tradition of your Mel Brooks, these people, Jews, who stick two | :12:16. | :12:19. | |
fingers up at Hitler. There's the cigarette | :12:20. | :12:24. | |
stuck up Hitler's nose. This is emblematic of | :12:25. | :12:25. | |
what Jerry Lewis is trying to do, I imagine, to say, I'm still here, | :12:26. | :12:29. | |
as a Jew, and I'm commenting on you. Hitler still defines us, | :12:30. | :12:34. | |
he defines me as the son of a Holocaust survivor and it's | :12:35. | :12:38. | |
great to turn that definition into if you'll pardeon | :12:39. | :12:44. | |
my German, a lock you. My philosophy of comedy | :12:45. | :12:51. | |
is a man in trouble. So how careful do you have to be | :12:52. | :12:53. | |
when making a film Should a comedian ever | :12:54. | :13:01. | |
try and make one? Can you have a fictional story set | :13:02. | :13:04. | |
within the framework of such Dr James Jordan is an expert | :13:05. | :13:07. | |
in the representation of Jewish What's interesting about the clips | :13:08. | :13:23. | |
we have and the photographs we have of the Lewis film is that | :13:24. | :13:27. | |
the ending, you have the children behind the barbed wire | :13:28. | :13:30. | |
and you have a sense of him trying to rescue these children | :13:31. | :13:43. | |
but what that recalls for me more than anything else is the Soviet | :13:44. | :13:46. | |
images of the liberation of Auschwitz where you see | :13:47. | :13:48. | |
the children coming up the barbed I think also what Lewis is doing | :13:49. | :13:51. | |
is he's using that visual register and saying that this is a similarity | :13:52. | :13:55. | |
and there is something It doesn't capture the horror | :13:56. | :13:58. | |
of the sounds, the smells, the dirt. That's not there, but there | :13:59. | :14:02. | |
is something recognisably We're presuming that he was bringing | :14:03. | :14:04. | |
comedy to it, but we don't know He is a comedian but maybe | :14:05. | :14:09. | |
he approached it in a way that this is not a comedy place, | :14:10. | :14:15. | |
we don't know. I think the strength of what we have | :14:16. | :14:18. | |
and this is going to sound terrible is that we don't have the dialogue | :14:19. | :14:23. | |
but what we have from the stills is a sense of almost a silent movie | :14:24. | :14:30. | |
and we can impose on that the story that we want and that | :14:31. | :14:34. | |
makes it more emotional, more romantic and more of a canvas | :14:35. | :14:36. | |
which we can imagine and I'd like to think that the film is good, | :14:37. | :14:39. | |
I have that optimism that there is a very good | :14:40. | :14:42. | |
film there but precisely because I haven't seen it | :14:43. | :14:47. | |
rather than anything else. I think there's two ways | :14:48. | :14:49. | |
to approach it, the Holocaust, in the same way as there | :14:50. | :14:53. | |
are two, broadly speaking, There was a survivor that never | :14:54. | :14:56. | |
wanted to talk about it again, and the survivor who only | :14:57. | :15:00. | |
wanted to talk about it. In art, in general, you know, | :15:01. | :15:10. | |
there are some people who feel you should never go there | :15:11. | :15:13. | |
for comedy, you should never go there and then others, | :15:14. | :15:15. | |
Mel Brooks and at some level myself as well, not that I'm | :15:16. | :15:18. | |
on a par with Mel Brooks. But I maybe am, in that | :15:19. | :15:20. | |
obsession with the Holocaust. If I could make a career out it, | :15:21. | :15:23. | |
I probably would only do stuff We're filling the void | :15:24. | :15:26. | |
of what we know about Jerry Lewis, but I wonder if he just, | :15:27. | :15:35. | |
you know, it was in the 70s, he was out in America | :15:36. | :15:39. | |
but it was like you know he feels that, yeah, I'm gooning around, | :15:40. | :15:42. | |
I'm being funny but really I think that he is a serious man | :15:43. | :15:44. | |
trapped inside a comedian's body. We arranged interviews with four | :15:45. | :15:54. | |
members of the cast. All were happy to speak to us then | :15:55. | :16:04. | |
just before the recording was due to take place they all mysteriously | :16:05. | :16:08. | |
pulled out, however we were able to talk to one of the actors | :16:09. | :16:12. | |
Lars Amble, who played one He was the chief Nazi guard and gave | :16:13. | :16:15. | |
us this rare radio interview shortly He called me up, he was staying | :16:16. | :16:22. | |
here in Stockholm in a hotel, and he asked me if you speak | :16:23. | :16:30. | |
a little English and I told him I don't speak very well, | :16:31. | :16:33. | |
but he said that's the meaning of it, you should sound | :16:34. | :16:36. | |
like a German who A German Nazi officer, | :16:37. | :16:39. | |
the head of the barracks where all the prisoners | :16:40. | :16:46. | |
were and among them Jerry of course. For each scene, he knew exactly | :16:47. | :16:51. | |
where he wanted the camera and what he wanted the actors to do | :16:52. | :17:00. | |
and he was very professional He gave us confidence, | :17:01. | :17:03. | |
he was a very nice guy and he knew exactly how foreign actors in this | :17:04. | :17:15. | |
situation would feel. I don't know why he didn't | :17:16. | :17:17. | |
release the film. I never saw it, not even see rough | :17:18. | :17:20. | |
cuts, I just got a letter from the company just telling me | :17:21. | :17:25. | |
that it wouldn't be released. So after a couple of months I wasn't | :17:26. | :17:34. | |
thinking about it. We all got our money and everything, | :17:35. | :17:37. | |
but I don't know, One of the other leading roles | :17:38. | :17:44. | |
in the movie was taken by Swedish star Harriet Andersson, | :17:45. | :17:49. | |
famous for her many roles Jan Lumdholt wrote a book | :17:50. | :17:51. | |
with her about her career He remembers her stories | :17:52. | :17:55. | |
of working on the production. Oh, I don't remember anything, | :17:56. | :17:59. | |
I think was the first thing she said and then she said, I'm | :18:00. | :18:03. | |
still waiting for my pay cheque, and two weeks later or something | :18:04. | :18:07. | |
I asked her more and if she had any more recollections so I got | :18:08. | :18:16. | |
a little more and she said, I take it they chose me | :18:17. | :18:24. | |
because they wanted a name actress from Sweden | :18:25. | :18:31. | |
because of the Swedish involvement. She told me about him being not | :18:32. | :18:38. | |
a very pleasant to work -- She told me about him being not | :18:39. | :18:49. | |
a very pleasant man to work with and he could be eratic | :18:50. | :18:53. | |
and aloof sometimes as well, and she also mentioned that he had | :18:54. | :18:55. | |
some back problems and took some painkillers and became a little | :18:56. | :18:59. | |
strange, but she also mentioned that the sets were absolutely | :19:00. | :19:01. | |
fantastic and very, very impressive, but then they decided | :19:02. | :19:06. | |
that it was not going to be released and there are still some people | :19:07. | :19:12. | |
waiting for their pay-cheques. Some of them are gone now, | :19:13. | :19:16. | |
so that's taken care of, but if anyone sees this | :19:17. | :19:19. | |
and remembers Harriet she would be very happy to get | :19:20. | :19:27. | |
a little cheque, I think. Because of the image you project, | :19:28. | :19:35. | |
the manic, hysterical character, do people expect you | :19:36. | :19:37. | |
to behave like that? People expect you to behave | :19:38. | :19:44. | |
like that in real life. Erik is the son of Jack Kotschack, | :19:45. | :20:01. | |
one of the producers of the film and he remembers when his father | :20:02. | :20:20. | |
was working on the movie. He was very thrilled to do this | :20:21. | :20:22. | |
in the beginning. They made a decision to shoot | :20:23. | :20:25. | |
the scenes from the concentration camp in Sweden and my father | :20:26. | :20:28. | |
was a guy who made it possible as he knew all the people around | :20:29. | :20:33. | |
in Sweden at that time It was a big story for | :20:34. | :20:38. | |
the newspapers and the radio My mother also remembered, | :20:39. | :20:52. | |
it's a special thing, but he throw his underwear and socks | :20:53. | :21:05. | |
away, he didn't use it anymore! I met him once and he was a person | :21:06. | :21:13. | |
who took the room in possession and was a big character | :21:14. | :21:21. | |
and a big actor. With everyone seemingly excited | :21:22. | :21:26. | |
about the project what actually happened that indicated things | :21:27. | :21:29. | |
weren't going to plan and the film The problem occurred afterwards | :21:30. | :21:32. | |
when the truth came out that the money was not | :21:33. | :21:41. | |
paid to the actors. At the end of shooting | :21:42. | :21:47. | |
the scenes in Sweden, it was sadly obvious that his father | :21:48. | :21:49. | |
was no longer friends with Lewis. They were close before but not | :21:50. | :21:52. | |
after and what really happened He sent a telegram, | :21:53. | :21:55. | |
to "the smallest man in town In the beginning they were best | :21:56. | :22:07. | |
of friends but in the end not so. So what does the Jewish community | :22:08. | :22:28. | |
in Sweden think about a film featuring concentration camps | :22:29. | :22:31. | |
being filmed in its country? It's kind of ironic, | :22:32. | :22:33. | |
Sweden was basically the only country that didn't have any | :22:34. | :22:35. | |
concentration camps. It wasn't occupied, | :22:36. | :22:37. | |
nobody was deported, but maybe that's when | :22:38. | :22:38. | |
he was interested in, But what about that difficult issue, | :22:39. | :22:41. | |
is it right to have a fictional film Well, that's a discussion that | :22:42. | :22:48. | |
comes up a regular basis. Can you do fiction | :22:49. | :22:58. | |
about the Holocaust? My personal opinion is, yes, | :22:59. | :23:00. | |
I think you can because we need different ways and different aspects | :23:01. | :23:03. | |
of understanding the complexity I think you have to be careful | :23:04. | :23:05. | |
and I think you have to be very clear that it's fiction, | :23:06. | :23:10. | |
but I think it can be fiction in one way, but it doesn't mean | :23:11. | :23:13. | |
that the framework is fiction. You can use fictional characters | :23:14. | :23:15. | |
in a real environment. The big question is will we ever get | :23:16. | :23:18. | |
to see this picture? Jerry Lewis took with him to America | :23:19. | :23:26. | |
the physical last three days of filming, so, yeah, | :23:27. | :23:30. | |
he took it with him. I went to a press conference | :23:31. | :23:39. | |
in Cannes and I asked him about it, Are we going to ever gonna get | :23:40. | :23:43. | |
to see The Day Simply because it's very easy to sit | :23:44. | :23:48. | |
in front of an audience and expound It's another thing to have to deal | :23:49. | :24:04. | |
with those feelings. And, in terms of that film, | :24:05. | :24:11. | |
I was embarassed. I was ashamed of the work | :24:12. | :24:16. | |
and I was grateful that I had the power to contain it | :24:17. | :24:21. | |
all and never let anybody see it. It could have been wonderful | :24:22. | :24:26. | |
but I slipped up, I didn't quite get it and I didn't quite have enough | :24:27. | :24:37. | |
sense to find out why I'm doing it Recently, Jerry donated his film | :24:38. | :24:44. | |
collection to the Library of Congress in Washington | :24:45. | :24:50. | |
and this included his copy of The Day The Clown Cried | :24:51. | :24:53. | |
under the French title. It's been reported that he has let | :24:54. | :24:59. | |
them have these reels on the understanding they won't be | :25:00. | :25:01. | |
shown to anyone until at least 2025. Of course, if the film does get | :25:02. | :25:07. | |
released and the internet is anything to go by, | :25:08. | :25:09. | |
there will be a huge line of people Either way it'll be some time before | :25:10. | :25:12. | |
this becomes a reality. | :25:13. | :25:19. |