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'I am Eamonn McCabe. | 0:00:07 | 0:00:08 | |
'In the 1970s, I cut my teeth as a sports photographer | 0:00:08 | 0:00:12 | |
'on local newspapers in the East End of London. | 0:00:12 | 0:00:15 | |
'Trying to capture the drama of events like this | 0:00:20 | 0:00:23 | |
'made me fall in love with photography.' | 0:00:23 | 0:00:26 | |
Boxing has always been my favourite sport to photograph. | 0:00:26 | 0:00:29 | |
The noise, the energy, the smells, the tension. | 0:00:29 | 0:00:34 | |
And it's a dangerous place to work, beside that ring. | 0:00:34 | 0:00:37 | |
Anything could happen. | 0:00:37 | 0:00:39 | |
'I had to follow the action so closely, | 0:00:40 | 0:00:43 | |
'it really sharpened my instincts. | 0:00:43 | 0:00:46 | |
'In the '70s, my job was all about rolls of film and darkrooms. | 0:00:56 | 0:01:01 | |
'But in today's digital age, the way I work is completely different. | 0:01:01 | 0:01:05 | |
'Now photography is instantaneous. | 0:01:05 | 0:01:08 | |
'During my career, there's been a revolution in photography. | 0:01:10 | 0:01:14 | |
'And that's what I want to explore in this programme. | 0:01:14 | 0:01:17 | |
'From the colour explosion of the 1960s...' | 0:01:19 | 0:01:22 | |
You can't simply go out and take the same picture | 0:01:24 | 0:01:26 | |
that you would have taken in black and white. | 0:01:26 | 0:01:29 | |
'..to the sensation of Instagram today.' | 0:01:29 | 0:01:32 | |
It's just what I do all the time. | 0:01:32 | 0:01:35 | |
'And it's a chance to celebrate | 0:01:36 | 0:01:38 | |
'some of the most influential photographers of my lifetime. | 0:01:38 | 0:01:41 | |
'John Bulmer, with his pioneering colour work. | 0:01:42 | 0:01:46 | |
'Jane Bown, who brought new depth to the celebrity portrait. | 0:01:46 | 0:01:50 | |
'Fay Godwin, who gave landscape a fresh, political edge. | 0:01:50 | 0:01:54 | |
'And Martin Parr, with his acute and satirical eye. | 0:01:55 | 0:01:58 | |
'Their unique visions have defined | 0:02:00 | 0:02:02 | |
'how we've all seen Britain in focus over the last 50 years.' | 0:02:02 | 0:02:06 | |
It's that idea of, you know, light from out there, almost God's light, | 0:02:09 | 0:02:12 | |
comes down and hits you, bounces off, into my camera, onto the film | 0:02:12 | 0:02:16 | |
and then there you are. | 0:02:16 | 0:02:18 | |
MUSIC: Apache by The Shadows | 0:02:25 | 0:02:27 | |
It was at the great British seaside that I discovered | 0:02:30 | 0:02:33 | |
the power of photography. | 0:02:33 | 0:02:35 | |
"Having a lovely time but the weather is terrible. | 0:02:38 | 0:02:41 | |
"Hope you're enjoying yours. Amy." | 0:02:41 | 0:02:44 | |
I first came across these little postcards | 0:02:46 | 0:02:48 | |
when I was on holiday in Britain in the 1960s. | 0:02:48 | 0:02:51 | |
Like Amy, writing from here in Instow in Devon, | 0:02:51 | 0:02:53 | |
it was always wet and miserable, | 0:02:53 | 0:02:55 | |
but the postcards were vibrant and colourful. | 0:02:55 | 0:02:58 | |
After years of post-war austerity, | 0:02:59 | 0:03:02 | |
Britain was learning to enjoy itself again. | 0:03:02 | 0:03:05 | |
And black and white really didn't reflect this new-found optimism. | 0:03:05 | 0:03:09 | |
But one forward-thinking entrepreneur caught this new mood | 0:03:11 | 0:03:15 | |
by transforming the ever-popular picture postcard | 0:03:15 | 0:03:18 | |
from monochrome into vivid colour. | 0:03:18 | 0:03:21 | |
With scenes from every corner of the British Isles. | 0:03:25 | 0:03:28 | |
The Britain pictured on a John Hinde postcard | 0:03:31 | 0:03:34 | |
certainly looked a lot more fun. | 0:03:34 | 0:03:36 | |
But how did he conjure up such magical scenes? | 0:03:38 | 0:03:40 | |
'Here on the beach at Instow, I want to see if I can create | 0:03:42 | 0:03:46 | |
'my very own Hinde postcard | 0:03:46 | 0:03:48 | |
'by restaging the original 1960s shot.' | 0:03:48 | 0:03:52 | |
Nice to see you again. Hi. Thank you for coming. Lovely to see you again. | 0:03:53 | 0:03:57 | |
-We rehearsed all this last night. -Yeah. -You know your positions? | 0:03:57 | 0:04:00 | |
Don't look at me, the most important thing, don't look at me, | 0:04:00 | 0:04:03 | |
because I want you to pretend to be playing. | 0:04:03 | 0:04:05 | |
This beautiful beach, look at this lovely weather. | 0:04:05 | 0:04:07 | |
Look at that sea! | 0:04:07 | 0:04:09 | |
Perfect day. It was worth waiting for. OK, get into your position. | 0:04:09 | 0:04:12 | |
MUSIC: For Your Love by The Yardbirds | 0:04:12 | 0:04:15 | |
'I'm going to use the same equipment as the Hinde photographers. | 0:04:19 | 0:04:23 | |
'This is a high-quality German Plaubel camera. | 0:04:23 | 0:04:26 | |
'It might look cumbersome now | 0:04:26 | 0:04:28 | |
'but back then the Plaubel was top-of-the-range.' | 0:04:28 | 0:04:30 | |
OK, everybody, that looks great. Going to put it on F6. | 0:04:30 | 0:04:34 | |
'It would have been loaded with the latest Ektachrome colour film, | 0:04:34 | 0:04:37 | |
'which had been introduced to the consumer market after the war. | 0:04:37 | 0:04:41 | |
'And because the camera took a large negative film, | 0:04:41 | 0:04:45 | |
'it produced high-quality photographs. | 0:04:45 | 0:04:48 | |
'So this is my effort. | 0:04:48 | 0:04:50 | |
'The camera has certainly caught some of the depth of the original.' | 0:04:50 | 0:04:53 | |
But the Hinde look didn't just come from his equipment. | 0:04:54 | 0:04:57 | |
John Hinde had made colour picture books before the war | 0:04:58 | 0:05:02 | |
and after a failed attempt at a circus | 0:05:02 | 0:05:05 | |
he went back to colour photography | 0:05:05 | 0:05:07 | |
and began his postcard business in 1957. | 0:05:07 | 0:05:10 | |
Hinde now set out to bring the technicolour glamour of cinema | 0:05:12 | 0:05:16 | |
to the humble postcard. | 0:05:16 | 0:05:17 | |
And like a Hollywood movie mogul, he personally defined the house style. | 0:05:18 | 0:05:23 | |
For Hinde, it was all about colour. | 0:05:24 | 0:05:26 | |
He was a technical innovator and perfectionist. | 0:05:26 | 0:05:30 | |
To get exactly the right look, | 0:05:31 | 0:05:33 | |
Hinde worked closely with cutting-edge printers in Italy. | 0:05:33 | 0:05:37 | |
They painstakingly separated out every colour layer | 0:05:38 | 0:05:41 | |
from the original film. | 0:05:41 | 0:05:43 | |
Then, by hand, they accentuated and changed the colours | 0:05:43 | 0:05:46 | |
in the image. | 0:05:46 | 0:05:48 | |
Hinde himself oversaw this laborious process. | 0:05:48 | 0:05:51 | |
I find it fascinating to see how the original | 0:05:52 | 0:05:56 | |
differs from the final postcard. | 0:05:56 | 0:05:58 | |
The colours of the clothes are clearly heightened | 0:05:58 | 0:06:01 | |
in the end product. | 0:06:01 | 0:06:03 | |
Now let me go to Filey. | 0:06:05 | 0:06:07 | |
'John Hinde's postcards have been a lasting inspiration | 0:06:07 | 0:06:11 | |
'for one of Britain's most important documentary photographers.' | 0:06:11 | 0:06:15 | |
The colours are so vivid. | 0:06:15 | 0:06:17 | |
Absolutely. You can see where my own palette and interest | 0:06:17 | 0:06:21 | |
in, erm... | 0:06:21 | 0:06:22 | |
in the colour pictures came about. | 0:06:22 | 0:06:25 | |
It's pretty much down to you that we're remembering | 0:06:25 | 0:06:27 | |
these John Hinde postcards. | 0:06:27 | 0:06:29 | |
-Why do you think that is? -Well, I think they're great images. | 0:06:29 | 0:06:32 | |
Not only do they show a place at its absolute best, | 0:06:32 | 0:06:35 | |
all the staging that Hinde was doing then has become, if you like, | 0:06:35 | 0:06:40 | |
the common language of much of contemporary art photography. | 0:06:40 | 0:06:43 | |
So, in a sense, although he was doing it innocently | 0:06:43 | 0:06:46 | |
to make postcards, he was ahead of the game in terms of the techniques | 0:06:46 | 0:06:50 | |
and the way he would take a whole situation and stage it. | 0:06:50 | 0:06:53 | |
You know, it's perfect. And when you look at these pictures, | 0:06:53 | 0:06:56 | |
they tell us about another era so accurately. | 0:06:56 | 0:06:59 | |
The clothing, the architecture, it's all there, down in one postcard. | 0:06:59 | 0:07:03 | |
And the great thing is they become art, if you like, | 0:07:03 | 0:07:06 | |
with the benefit of hindsight, forgive the pun. | 0:07:06 | 0:07:08 | |
And, erm, you know, they're great images. | 0:07:08 | 0:07:11 | |
'These little explosions of colour came onto the market | 0:07:11 | 0:07:15 | |
'just when people were starting to have more cash in their pockets. | 0:07:15 | 0:07:18 | |
'Everything to do with colour photography - cameras, film, | 0:07:18 | 0:07:22 | |
'processing and accessories - was becoming more affordable. | 0:07:22 | 0:07:27 | |
'And throughout the 1960s, the vivid colours of Hinde's postcards | 0:07:27 | 0:07:31 | |
'would gradually seep into everyday snapshots.' | 0:07:31 | 0:07:34 | |
Remember this? | 0:07:37 | 0:07:39 | |
MUSIC: Shakin' All Over by Johnny Kidd & The Pirates | 0:07:39 | 0:07:42 | |
The slide show. | 0:07:42 | 0:07:44 | |
A domestic ritual that emerged with this new technology | 0:07:44 | 0:07:47 | |
of colour film and projectors. | 0:07:47 | 0:07:50 | |
# When you move in right up close to me | 0:07:50 | 0:07:52 | |
# That's when I get the shakes... # | 0:07:56 | 0:07:58 | |
These slides belongs to my wife Becky's parents. | 0:07:58 | 0:08:01 | |
Her father took them. | 0:08:03 | 0:08:05 | |
# Quivers down the back bone | 0:08:06 | 0:08:08 | |
# I've got the shakes... # | 0:08:08 | 0:08:10 | |
Her family often gathered on a Saturday afternoon for a showing. | 0:08:10 | 0:08:14 | |
But then another technical development widened the appeal | 0:08:18 | 0:08:21 | |
of colour photography even further, | 0:08:21 | 0:08:24 | |
doing away with the need for projectors and screens. | 0:08:24 | 0:08:27 | |
'In colour, of course!' | 0:08:27 | 0:08:29 | |
Kodak were the pioneers. | 0:08:29 | 0:08:31 | |
# Shakin' all over... # | 0:08:31 | 0:08:34 | |
In a blitz of advertising in 1963, | 0:08:34 | 0:08:37 | |
they introduced the cheap Instamatic camera onto the market. | 0:08:37 | 0:08:40 | |
It was a piece of Swinging Sixties technology in your own hands. | 0:08:41 | 0:08:45 | |
I remember, when I was 13, | 0:08:46 | 0:08:49 | |
I had an Instamatic and it was so simple to use. | 0:08:49 | 0:08:52 | |
The Box Brownie of its time. | 0:08:52 | 0:08:55 | |
You just slotted in a small cartridge | 0:08:56 | 0:08:59 | |
rather than fumble with a roll of 35mm film. | 0:08:59 | 0:09:03 | |
Then you sent the cartridge off | 0:09:03 | 0:09:05 | |
and you got your colour prints back by post. | 0:09:05 | 0:09:08 | |
It's estimated that over 50 million of us worldwide | 0:09:09 | 0:09:12 | |
were using these cameras in the '60s. | 0:09:12 | 0:09:15 | |
Soon, colour photos began to replace black and white ones | 0:09:15 | 0:09:19 | |
in the family album, bringing a new richness | 0:09:19 | 0:09:22 | |
to how we recorded our lives. | 0:09:22 | 0:09:25 | |
MUSIC: Body Beautiful by The Ronnie Scott Orchestra | 0:09:25 | 0:09:28 | |
But some aspects of British life | 0:09:32 | 0:09:34 | |
just didn't seem to lend themselves to colour photography. | 0:09:34 | 0:09:37 | |
This is a classic view of the North, | 0:09:40 | 0:09:42 | |
and in the 1960s you would have expected it to have been shot | 0:09:42 | 0:09:45 | |
in black and white. | 0:09:45 | 0:09:47 | |
Black and white were still regarded as the proper medium | 0:09:48 | 0:09:51 | |
for serious documentary work. | 0:09:51 | 0:09:53 | |
So if you were a photojournalist sent to the North in the '60s | 0:09:53 | 0:09:57 | |
on a mission to photograph this world of mills, chimneys | 0:09:57 | 0:10:00 | |
and cobbles, it seemed the only way to get the gritty reality | 0:10:00 | 0:10:04 | |
of the place was in monochrome. | 0:10:04 | 0:10:06 | |
As you can see in this fantastic photograph by Ian Berry. | 0:10:06 | 0:10:11 | |
But one photographer was to challenge this cliched view | 0:10:14 | 0:10:17 | |
of the North in an amazing set of colour photographs | 0:10:17 | 0:10:20 | |
commissioned by the Sunday Times Magazine. | 0:10:20 | 0:10:23 | |
John Bulmer had ambitions early on to be a photographer. | 0:10:24 | 0:10:28 | |
He was even kicked out of Cambridge | 0:10:28 | 0:10:30 | |
for taking photographs for Life Magazine. | 0:10:30 | 0:10:33 | |
Here you can see he's not only using colour film, | 0:10:36 | 0:10:39 | |
but he's mixing natural and artificial light. | 0:10:39 | 0:10:42 | |
I'm meeting John to find out how he made such striking photographs. | 0:10:46 | 0:10:50 | |
When I was given the assignment, I thought long and hard about it | 0:10:53 | 0:10:57 | |
because nobody had ever really photographed the North of England | 0:10:57 | 0:11:00 | |
in colour before. It was considered a black and white subject. | 0:11:00 | 0:11:03 | |
-Don McCullin and Neil Libbert and people like that. -That's right. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:06 | |
And I'd done my own share of black and white North, cobbled streets. | 0:11:06 | 0:11:09 | |
But I realised in colour that if I went and did it on a sunny day | 0:11:09 | 0:11:13 | |
it really wasn't going to work. | 0:11:13 | 0:11:15 | |
It wasn't going to get across the atmosphere of the place. | 0:11:15 | 0:11:18 | |
I deliberately chose to do it in winter | 0:11:22 | 0:11:25 | |
and then I also tried to work in rain and fog | 0:11:25 | 0:11:28 | |
and situations like that, which would mute the background | 0:11:28 | 0:11:31 | |
and give the whole thing a softer approach. | 0:11:31 | 0:11:33 | |
I felt that it would give a better atmosphere of the North. | 0:11:33 | 0:11:37 | |
-And did it change the way you worked? -Yes. | 0:11:38 | 0:11:41 | |
Erm, colour was different. | 0:11:41 | 0:11:43 | |
And the thing is you can't simply go out and take the same picture | 0:11:43 | 0:11:47 | |
that you would have taken in black and white. | 0:11:47 | 0:11:49 | |
It gets too fussy. There's too much in the frame. | 0:11:49 | 0:11:52 | |
When you take any photographs, | 0:11:52 | 0:11:54 | |
effectively it's a form of abstraction. | 0:11:54 | 0:11:57 | |
You're trying to simplify this complicated world | 0:11:57 | 0:12:00 | |
into something that's simple enough within a frame | 0:12:00 | 0:12:04 | |
to give you some sort of emotional kick | 0:12:04 | 0:12:06 | |
and not set your eye spinning in every different direction. | 0:12:06 | 0:12:10 | |
And if something in the background is the wrong colour, | 0:12:10 | 0:12:13 | |
it can take your eye away... | 0:12:13 | 0:12:15 | |
it takes your eye off the ball in a way. | 0:12:15 | 0:12:17 | |
Tell me why this picture is shot in colour. | 0:12:17 | 0:12:21 | |
Well, I think that it actually works better in colour | 0:12:21 | 0:12:24 | |
than it would in black and white and that's very important. | 0:12:24 | 0:12:27 | |
If a picture is better in black and white | 0:12:27 | 0:12:30 | |
it should be done in black and white. | 0:12:30 | 0:12:32 | |
And I think this picture would be a bit flat and uninteresting | 0:12:32 | 0:12:35 | |
in black and white. | 0:12:35 | 0:12:36 | |
Whereas the blocks of colour are strong enough | 0:12:36 | 0:12:38 | |
to give you an interest | 0:12:38 | 0:12:39 | |
but not distract from the woman's face that you want to look at. | 0:12:39 | 0:12:43 | |
And this is a wide-angle shot, these lovely ladies in their scarves. | 0:12:44 | 0:12:48 | |
What I love is the way she's looking at you. | 0:12:48 | 0:12:51 | |
I remember I was walking around the streets | 0:12:51 | 0:12:53 | |
and I saw these two walking across the bridge in the distance. | 0:12:53 | 0:12:56 | |
And I did take one shot at a distance | 0:12:56 | 0:12:59 | |
just to sort of test the waters almost. | 0:12:59 | 0:13:02 | |
And then as they got closer to me | 0:13:02 | 0:13:04 | |
I pretended to be photographing the building over to one side. | 0:13:04 | 0:13:07 | |
-That old trick. -The old trick. | 0:13:07 | 0:13:08 | |
But at the same time I got my focus and my exposure and everything ready | 0:13:08 | 0:13:12 | |
and just as they approached I swung the camera round, up to my eye, | 0:13:12 | 0:13:16 | |
and clicked the shot and you can see she's just noticed me. | 0:13:16 | 0:13:20 | |
And her friend is smirking a little because she knows what's going on. | 0:13:20 | 0:13:24 | |
Well, I think her instinct was to sort of look away | 0:13:24 | 0:13:26 | |
and her instinct was to see what's going on. | 0:13:26 | 0:13:29 | |
But when I met her years later, she said at the time they thought | 0:13:29 | 0:13:32 | |
I was fooling around and I didn't have any film in the camera. | 0:13:32 | 0:13:35 | |
But then they did a few weeks, a few months later, | 0:13:35 | 0:13:38 | |
see the picture in the Sunday Times | 0:13:38 | 0:13:40 | |
and then years later I met the lady and I gave her a copy of my book | 0:13:40 | 0:13:44 | |
with her on the cover and I think she was quite touched by that. | 0:13:44 | 0:13:48 | |
'John's pictures fitted into the great tradition | 0:13:48 | 0:13:51 | |
'of the British photo essay. | 0:13:51 | 0:13:53 | |
'But the Sunday Times Magazine had the technology | 0:13:54 | 0:13:57 | |
'and the budget to showcase its reportage in colour.' | 0:13:57 | 0:14:01 | |
So when you get back with all these pictures | 0:14:01 | 0:14:04 | |
that you've taken over three weeks or whatever, | 0:14:04 | 0:14:06 | |
they put this on the cover and now tell us a little bit about | 0:14:06 | 0:14:09 | |
the inside, how they used it as a spread to tell the story. | 0:14:09 | 0:14:13 | |
Well, I mean, one of the great things about the Sunday Times | 0:14:13 | 0:14:16 | |
is they did have the courage to run pictures | 0:14:16 | 0:14:19 | |
as a double spread like this. | 0:14:19 | 0:14:21 | |
And sometimes they had lots of little ones | 0:14:21 | 0:14:23 | |
but they would vary it and they did give good space to pictures. | 0:14:23 | 0:14:27 | |
And they were brave. | 0:14:27 | 0:14:29 | |
Ten years later, at the Photographers' Gallery | 0:14:29 | 0:14:31 | |
they had an exhibition on magazine photography from the '60s. | 0:14:31 | 0:14:36 | |
And they had one room with half a dozen or a few more | 0:14:36 | 0:14:39 | |
of the well-known photographers like Don McCullin, David Bailey, | 0:14:39 | 0:14:42 | |
Terence Donovan, Lord Snowdon and myself. | 0:14:42 | 0:14:46 | |
I was the only person to put any colour photographs on the wall. | 0:14:46 | 0:14:49 | |
All the rest had only used black and white. | 0:14:49 | 0:14:52 | |
Although, by then, all of them were working quite a lot in colour, | 0:14:52 | 0:14:55 | |
they didn't really regard colour photography as serious then. | 0:14:55 | 0:14:59 | |
One of my greatest heroes from this era | 0:15:02 | 0:15:05 | |
was resolute in her refusal to shoot in colour. | 0:15:05 | 0:15:08 | |
She worked for the Sunday Times' rival, | 0:15:08 | 0:15:11 | |
my old paper, the Observer. | 0:15:11 | 0:15:13 | |
Her black and white photographs gave new depth to the 1960s' | 0:15:15 | 0:15:19 | |
most colourful figures. | 0:15:19 | 0:15:21 | |
She captured a moment when Britain was the cultural epicentre | 0:15:22 | 0:15:26 | |
of the world. | 0:15:26 | 0:15:28 | |
Her name was Jane Bown, | 0:15:28 | 0:15:31 | |
and although her use of black and white was practical | 0:15:31 | 0:15:34 | |
as much as an aesthetic choice, | 0:15:34 | 0:15:36 | |
there's an emotional quality to her work. | 0:15:36 | 0:15:39 | |
Her photographs reveal character. | 0:15:40 | 0:15:43 | |
For me, Jane Bown was one of Britain's finest | 0:15:46 | 0:15:49 | |
portrait photographers, | 0:15:49 | 0:15:51 | |
and I was lucky enough to work alongside her. | 0:15:51 | 0:15:54 | |
She was a huge influence on me, both as a photographer and mentor. | 0:15:54 | 0:15:59 | |
I've come to meet Jane's friend and archivist Luke Dodd | 0:16:00 | 0:16:03 | |
to look through her portraits. | 0:16:03 | 0:16:05 | |
'Jane used two different cameras, | 0:16:07 | 0:16:10 | |
'the Rolleiflex and the 35mm. | 0:16:10 | 0:16:13 | |
'Luke's going to show me how these cameras shaped her style. | 0:16:13 | 0:16:17 | |
'Here's a great example of a photograph Jane took | 0:16:19 | 0:16:22 | |
'with the Rolleiflex. | 0:16:22 | 0:16:23 | |
'It's of Rudolf Nureyev, the Russian ballet dancer.' | 0:16:23 | 0:16:26 | |
This is an absolutely uncropped image that Jane took | 0:16:27 | 0:16:31 | |
during the year after Nureyev had defected. | 0:16:31 | 0:16:34 | |
A session with him and Margot Fonteyn | 0:16:34 | 0:16:37 | |
at which she was actually using both cameras. | 0:16:37 | 0:16:39 | |
And, interestingly, the Rollei stuff has all this formal quality. | 0:16:39 | 0:16:43 | |
This absolute perfection about it. | 0:16:43 | 0:16:45 | |
Every bit of the frame is considered and works. | 0:16:45 | 0:16:48 | |
The positioning within that frame is so strong. | 0:16:48 | 0:16:51 | |
And the use of the big white lights as well, | 0:16:51 | 0:16:53 | |
which some people would find they get in the way, | 0:16:53 | 0:16:56 | |
but she uses them to very strong effect. | 0:16:56 | 0:16:58 | |
And wonderful that the hands are slightly out of focus, | 0:16:58 | 0:17:00 | |
because he's moving them. They give a real energy to the picture. It's an absolutely stunning picture. | 0:17:00 | 0:17:05 | |
But that shows you how on the edge technically she was. | 0:17:05 | 0:17:08 | |
She wouldn't trust fast speed, she wouldn't trust fast films, | 0:17:08 | 0:17:13 | |
so she would go into a foyer like this at the Royal Opera House | 0:17:13 | 0:17:16 | |
and make it work. | 0:17:16 | 0:17:18 | |
Because I remember her coming back sweating over stuff | 0:17:18 | 0:17:21 | |
and it was always there. | 0:17:21 | 0:17:22 | |
But I remember the nerves, you know, she was always nervous. | 0:17:22 | 0:17:25 | |
There's two things. One is she needed the nerves. | 0:17:25 | 0:17:28 | |
She talked about time and light being her enemies. | 0:17:28 | 0:17:30 | |
And she needed that buzz in order to work | 0:17:30 | 0:17:33 | |
and to master and marshal all of her extraordinary capacity. | 0:17:33 | 0:17:37 | |
But, at the same time, | 0:17:37 | 0:17:39 | |
she didn't like it to go into unknown territory. | 0:17:39 | 0:17:42 | |
That's why she couldn't bear colour. | 0:17:42 | 0:17:44 | |
Because she couldn't control it to the same degree and she, you know, | 0:17:44 | 0:17:47 | |
you had to send the films off to be developed. | 0:17:47 | 0:17:49 | |
She said no matter how bad a shoot went in black and white you could | 0:17:49 | 0:17:52 | |
salvage something, but in colour it was taken out of her hands. | 0:17:52 | 0:17:56 | |
And there was too much tension. | 0:17:56 | 0:17:57 | |
This was a very macho world, the leather jackets, | 0:18:03 | 0:18:06 | |
you know, the fast lifestyles. | 0:18:06 | 0:18:08 | |
But Jane was the complete opposite of that. Very quiet, unassuming. | 0:18:08 | 0:18:11 | |
Can you tell us a little bit more about that? | 0:18:11 | 0:18:13 | |
Well, Jane kind of had a schizophrenic life. | 0:18:13 | 0:18:16 | |
She lived in the country and worked for a Sunday newspaper | 0:18:16 | 0:18:19 | |
which meant she only came to London one or two days a week. | 0:18:19 | 0:18:22 | |
That kind of split suited her very well. | 0:18:22 | 0:18:24 | |
And in the country she was known as Mrs Moss, | 0:18:24 | 0:18:26 | |
and then had this other life two days a week when she came to London. | 0:18:26 | 0:18:30 | |
And she really, she talked about enjoying the milieu | 0:18:30 | 0:18:34 | |
in the office and she liked going to the pub. | 0:18:34 | 0:18:36 | |
But, again, almost as an observer. | 0:18:36 | 0:18:38 | |
She was never part of that scene or that set | 0:18:38 | 0:18:41 | |
and famously she rarely knew who she was photographing. | 0:18:41 | 0:18:44 | |
Two of the biggest heroes of the '60s are Lennon and McCartney. | 0:18:44 | 0:18:47 | |
When Jane went to photograph them, | 0:18:47 | 0:18:49 | |
-would she have even know who they work? -Erm, no. | 0:18:49 | 0:18:52 | |
I mean, she really was not part of the Swinging Sixties in any sense. | 0:18:52 | 0:18:56 | |
And presumably she knew about the Beatles | 0:18:56 | 0:18:58 | |
and presumably it was an Observer commission. | 0:18:58 | 0:19:01 | |
But she was sent to West Ham to one of their fairly early concerts, | 0:19:01 | 0:19:04 | |
I think it's '63 or '64, | 0:19:04 | 0:19:06 | |
and she spent two hours with them backstage | 0:19:06 | 0:19:09 | |
because they had to arrive so early, and worked with the Rollei | 0:19:09 | 0:19:12 | |
and the 35mm, and this is a good time to, kind of, | 0:19:12 | 0:19:16 | |
identify Jane's evolving style. | 0:19:16 | 0:19:19 | |
From the formality of the kind of classic portraits | 0:19:19 | 0:19:23 | |
of all four of them, | 0:19:23 | 0:19:25 | |
the McCartney one here, sitting having a cigarette, | 0:19:25 | 0:19:28 | |
to...this shoot is slightly later, | 0:19:28 | 0:19:32 | |
she's now using the 35mm completely and far greater licence | 0:19:32 | 0:19:36 | |
and wonderful cropping and wonderful things happening in the image. | 0:19:36 | 0:19:40 | |
And how did Jane land on her signature style? | 0:19:40 | 0:19:43 | |
I think it largely happened when she transferred to 35mm. | 0:19:43 | 0:19:47 | |
There's two very good examples here, both from the mid-'60s. | 0:19:47 | 0:19:51 | |
Charlie Chaplin and Simone Signoret. | 0:19:51 | 0:19:53 | |
Very shallow depth of field, blurry backgrounds, | 0:19:53 | 0:19:56 | |
close-up of the face. | 0:19:56 | 0:19:58 | |
And in the case of the Simone Signoret, the head cut off, | 0:19:58 | 0:20:02 | |
which was fairly radical at the time. | 0:20:02 | 0:20:05 | |
And the eyes were so important to her. | 0:20:05 | 0:20:07 | |
I remember she always worried about the focusing on the eyes. | 0:20:07 | 0:20:10 | |
Jane would bring somebody towards the window | 0:20:10 | 0:20:12 | |
if she were struggling for a bit of light, and do a deal with them. | 0:20:12 | 0:20:15 | |
Say, give me five minutes at the end. | 0:20:15 | 0:20:17 | |
And these look like two of those pictures. | 0:20:17 | 0:20:19 | |
She's brought them to the window where the light is. | 0:20:19 | 0:20:21 | |
And as you say, using shallow depth of field has knocked out | 0:20:21 | 0:20:24 | |
all the extraneous tables and chairs and waiters and whatever. | 0:20:24 | 0:20:27 | |
I saw her at work many times. | 0:20:27 | 0:20:29 | |
She got into a room, she figured out the light, | 0:20:29 | 0:20:32 | |
she had some idle banter with the person but nothing of consequence. | 0:20:32 | 0:20:36 | |
And they were usually bemused. When I knew her she was very elderly. | 0:20:36 | 0:20:39 | |
And they were always intrigued by this figure with battered cameras | 0:20:39 | 0:20:44 | |
that had no light meter, | 0:20:44 | 0:20:46 | |
and looked at how the light looked on the back of her hand. | 0:20:46 | 0:20:49 | |
And then she prowled - she mooched, as she said. | 0:20:49 | 0:20:51 | |
And she went round them, round, circling and circling. | 0:20:51 | 0:20:54 | |
And the famous line would be, "Ah, there you are." | 0:20:54 | 0:20:57 | |
Jane was unlike most of her contemporaries. | 0:21:00 | 0:21:04 | |
She never wanted to be part of the celebrity scene. | 0:21:05 | 0:21:08 | |
And because she was able to see beyond its superficial glamour, | 0:21:08 | 0:21:12 | |
her pictures have stood the test of time. | 0:21:12 | 0:21:15 | |
'And proud independence was the hallmark of a new generation | 0:21:22 | 0:21:25 | |
'of photographers who emerged in the 1970s. | 0:21:25 | 0:21:29 | |
'Working a world away from Fleet Street, they were driven | 0:21:31 | 0:21:34 | |
'to tell stories they believed no-one else was telling, | 0:21:34 | 0:21:37 | |
'documenting their own experiences of a rapidly changing Britain. | 0:21:37 | 0:21:42 | |
'I've come to Handsworth Park in Birmingham to meet Vanley Burke. | 0:21:45 | 0:21:49 | |
'Vanley's love of photography was triggered when his mother gave him | 0:21:50 | 0:21:54 | |
'his beloved Box Brownie for his tenth birthday. | 0:21:54 | 0:21:58 | |
'And as soon as Vanley came to the UK from Jamaica | 0:21:58 | 0:22:01 | |
'he began to create one of the most important records | 0:22:01 | 0:22:05 | |
'of African Caribbean people in Britain. | 0:22:05 | 0:22:08 | |
'Vanley's pictures show Birmingham's growing black community | 0:22:10 | 0:22:13 | |
'from the inside, as its members established and built their lives. | 0:22:13 | 0:22:18 | |
'But he wasn't out to get his photographs in the mainstream press, | 0:22:18 | 0:22:22 | |
'which he believed was only interested in stereotypes. | 0:22:22 | 0:22:27 | |
'Vanley wanted to speak directly to the people in his pictures. | 0:22:27 | 0:22:31 | |
'He showed them locally | 0:22:31 | 0:22:32 | |
'in churches, schools and community centres. | 0:22:32 | 0:22:36 | |
'And Vanley continues to add to his invaluable archive, | 0:22:36 | 0:22:40 | |
'spanning nearly 50 years.' | 0:22:40 | 0:22:42 | |
What were you trying to do with your photographs? | 0:22:42 | 0:22:45 | |
What we were having were very negative images | 0:22:45 | 0:22:47 | |
of African Caribbean people. | 0:22:47 | 0:22:49 | |
And I felt that... | 0:22:49 | 0:22:51 | |
..we're not in control of our history. | 0:22:52 | 0:22:54 | |
We're not in charge of our history. | 0:22:54 | 0:22:56 | |
We didn't...we are the losers in this battle. | 0:22:56 | 0:23:01 | |
And the losers rarely get the opportunity to write their history. | 0:23:01 | 0:23:04 | |
But I felt if we were to... | 0:23:04 | 0:23:07 | |
..have some fundamental understanding about us | 0:23:08 | 0:23:12 | |
and our contribution to society, we need to write it ourselves. | 0:23:12 | 0:23:17 | |
Why have you concentrated on this area? | 0:23:17 | 0:23:19 | |
Well, I felt that this was quite representative | 0:23:19 | 0:23:22 | |
of the country, really. | 0:23:22 | 0:23:23 | |
I didn't need to travel the whole country | 0:23:23 | 0:23:26 | |
to take little bits of photographs in different communities | 0:23:26 | 0:23:29 | |
when I have the whole community here. | 0:23:29 | 0:23:32 | |
MUSIC: Handsworth Revolution by Steel Pulse | 0:23:32 | 0:23:35 | |
So you feel satisfied that that's your audience? | 0:23:37 | 0:23:40 | |
-Oh, yes, yes. -You know, your community is your audience. | 0:23:40 | 0:23:43 | |
Yes, very much so. For I do respect the people who I photograph. | 0:23:43 | 0:23:47 | |
They're offering, you know, erm... a lot. | 0:23:47 | 0:23:51 | |
You know, I kind of equate it, | 0:23:51 | 0:23:53 | |
a painter uses a brush, | 0:23:53 | 0:23:56 | |
you're really sort of using human flesh, you know, for your work. | 0:23:56 | 0:23:59 | |
'Vanley is a self-taught photographer | 0:24:02 | 0:24:04 | |
'with a natural instinct for arresting imagery. | 0:24:04 | 0:24:07 | |
'His framing and composition are bold.' | 0:24:12 | 0:24:15 | |
Now, you enjoy photographing crowds. | 0:24:21 | 0:24:23 | |
I personally have always found crowds really difficult. | 0:24:23 | 0:24:26 | |
This photograph, the crowd shot, | 0:24:26 | 0:24:28 | |
was taken pretty well from where we are sitting, from this bandstand. | 0:24:28 | 0:24:31 | |
It's just...just over there. | 0:24:31 | 0:24:33 | |
-Looking down onto the crowd. -Looking down onto the crowd. | 0:24:33 | 0:24:36 | |
I think crowds are important because it tells the story, | 0:24:36 | 0:24:40 | |
it's a collective energy. | 0:24:40 | 0:24:42 | |
People are investigating that photograph to find themselves, | 0:24:42 | 0:24:46 | |
and when they found someone else that they know | 0:24:46 | 0:24:48 | |
they would go away and tell this person or relatives of this person. | 0:24:48 | 0:24:51 | |
It's amazing how many people come and search for themselves | 0:24:51 | 0:24:54 | |
in that photograph because they want to belong to that moment. | 0:24:54 | 0:24:57 | |
Many people say this is your most famous photograph. | 0:24:57 | 0:25:00 | |
Why do you think that is? | 0:25:00 | 0:25:02 | |
Erm, I think... | 0:25:02 | 0:25:04 | |
it's because of the whole question of identity and belonging. | 0:25:04 | 0:25:08 | |
You know, we have the whole story of slavery and colonialism, you know, | 0:25:08 | 0:25:14 | |
and what brings us here and our relationship with the flag. | 0:25:14 | 0:25:18 | |
You know, it's fraught with a pretty terrible history. | 0:25:18 | 0:25:21 | |
So to have this young man with the flag, | 0:25:21 | 0:25:24 | |
it poses a lot of questions about, you know, who we are, where we are, | 0:25:24 | 0:25:29 | |
and who we are likely to be. | 0:25:29 | 0:25:32 | |
And all of those questions are being debated at the moment. | 0:25:32 | 0:25:35 | |
Tell us about this wonderful photograph | 0:25:35 | 0:25:38 | |
of a group of men and a few boys on the seesaw. | 0:25:38 | 0:25:41 | |
This photograph was taken in the park here, just behind me, | 0:25:41 | 0:25:45 | |
where I used to work as a play leader. | 0:25:45 | 0:25:47 | |
On this occasion these youngsters, they would come in the park | 0:25:47 | 0:25:51 | |
because they really didn't have anywhere to...to meet. | 0:25:51 | 0:25:54 | |
And there were not many youth clubs in those days. | 0:25:54 | 0:25:58 | |
They were, I felt they were in limbo. | 0:25:58 | 0:26:01 | |
The idea of them on the seesaw for me was quite poignant. | 0:26:01 | 0:26:04 | |
And I just quickly grabbed my camera and I went across | 0:26:04 | 0:26:08 | |
and I took some photographs. | 0:26:08 | 0:26:10 | |
I love the way the three on the left look like they're floating. | 0:26:10 | 0:26:13 | |
Yes, yes, I think they were pushing, they were going up and down. | 0:26:13 | 0:26:16 | |
-They were on the way up. -Slightly, yeah. | 0:26:16 | 0:26:19 | |
While Vanley Burke was busy photographing a growing community | 0:26:21 | 0:26:25 | |
in Handsworth, 120 miles up the M1, | 0:26:25 | 0:26:28 | |
another photographer was recording his own city | 0:26:28 | 0:26:31 | |
as it was being pulled down before his very eyes. | 0:26:31 | 0:26:35 | |
MUSIC: Shadowplay by Joy Division | 0:26:35 | 0:26:38 | |
In the 1970s, Leeds was changing beyond recognition. | 0:26:46 | 0:26:51 | |
Across the North, the factory chimneys and the back-to-backs | 0:26:51 | 0:26:55 | |
immortalised by John Bulmer were being swept away. | 0:26:55 | 0:26:59 | |
Entire working-class neighbourhoods disappeared | 0:26:59 | 0:27:02 | |
but photographer Peter Mitchell was there to record the demolitions. | 0:27:02 | 0:27:06 | |
After Peter left art school in London, | 0:27:09 | 0:27:12 | |
he moved to Leeds and began taking photos. | 0:27:12 | 0:27:15 | |
Around the same time, I'd just started as a newspaper photographer | 0:27:17 | 0:27:21 | |
but there's no way my picture editors | 0:27:21 | 0:27:24 | |
would have taken Peter's work | 0:27:24 | 0:27:26 | |
because he just did not operate like a typical photojournalist. | 0:27:26 | 0:27:29 | |
Peter's photos were gentle and personal observations of people | 0:27:32 | 0:27:36 | |
in an urban landscape and they were accompanied by diary-like captions. | 0:27:36 | 0:27:41 | |
"Kingston Racing Motors in Olinda Terrace, spring 1975. | 0:27:41 | 0:27:46 | |
"Why is the woman with the clapped-out Porsche looking | 0:27:46 | 0:27:49 | |
"so naughty? The council demolished the lot shortly after this snap." | 0:27:49 | 0:27:52 | |
"Noel and his lads, the demolition men, | 0:27:54 | 0:27:57 | |
"at Quarry Hill Flats in Eastgate, Leeds in May 1978. | 0:27:57 | 0:28:01 | |
"The men complained they looked so small in the photograph." | 0:28:01 | 0:28:05 | |
But there was one constant in the unrelenting change. | 0:28:06 | 0:28:10 | |
MUSIC: My Life In Rewind by Eagulls | 0:28:10 | 0:28:13 | |
The funfair behind Peter's house would return faithfully every year | 0:28:21 | 0:28:26 | |
and in 1979 he began a series of photographs | 0:28:26 | 0:28:30 | |
of his favourite attraction. | 0:28:30 | 0:28:32 | |
The home-made ghost train and its owner, Francis Gavan. | 0:28:32 | 0:28:36 | |
# A thousand regrets rushed right by... # | 0:28:45 | 0:28:50 | |
'Over 40 years, Peter has recorded how both the ghost train | 0:28:50 | 0:28:53 | |
'and Francis have changed. | 0:28:53 | 0:28:55 | |
'Now he's returning with me to photograph them for one last time.' | 0:28:55 | 0:28:59 | |
Just a bit different this time, Francis. | 0:29:00 | 0:29:03 | |
Normally, you just stand in front of it with the skull above you | 0:29:03 | 0:29:07 | |
-and all the rest of it. -Yeah. | 0:29:07 | 0:29:09 | |
But as this is kind of getting to the end of the game in some ways, | 0:29:09 | 0:29:12 | |
I think, would you just manage, I've brought me ladders along, | 0:29:12 | 0:29:16 | |
I put them there, | 0:29:16 | 0:29:18 | |
can you get up into the... into the engine compartment? | 0:29:18 | 0:29:21 | |
Yeah. | 0:29:21 | 0:29:22 | |
If I fall off, don't laugh. | 0:29:22 | 0:29:24 | |
'I'm intrigued to see how Peter stages his shots. | 0:29:24 | 0:29:27 | |
'He's very deliberately choreographing the picture. | 0:29:27 | 0:29:31 | |
'As a sports photographer I had to react instinctively to capture | 0:29:32 | 0:29:35 | |
'the action as it unfolded before me, totally different from this.' | 0:29:35 | 0:29:40 | |
A bit more across, I think. So you've got to maybe stretch. | 0:29:40 | 0:29:43 | |
-Over here? -Yeah. | 0:29:43 | 0:29:44 | |
-Here? -Yeah, that's OK,. Yeah, that'll do. | 0:29:44 | 0:29:47 | |
-Do you feel all right there? -Yeah. | 0:29:49 | 0:29:51 | |
It's just the usual business, Francis, | 0:29:51 | 0:29:53 | |
just looking at me with that slightly quizzical look. | 0:29:53 | 0:29:56 | |
Yeah, just...just hold it there. | 0:29:57 | 0:29:59 | |
'I've noticed that Peter is using his Hasselblad. | 0:30:02 | 0:30:05 | |
'It isn't a typical photojournalist's camera. | 0:30:05 | 0:30:07 | |
'Shooting onto large negatives, it produces more detail. | 0:30:07 | 0:30:12 | |
'Peter is using this camera to create his uniquely urban vision.' | 0:30:12 | 0:30:17 | |
I'm really pleased to see that Francis is A, vertical, | 0:30:17 | 0:30:21 | |
and B, that he's actually still got it. | 0:30:21 | 0:30:23 | |
And, as he said to me last time, it just needs a new tyre | 0:30:23 | 0:30:27 | |
and a coat...a new coat of red and we'll be away again, so... | 0:30:27 | 0:30:32 | |
-And a bit of a push. -Slight push, maybe, yes. | 0:30:32 | 0:30:35 | |
What was Leeds like back in the '70s when you started taking photographs | 0:30:36 | 0:30:39 | |
-around the city? -There were great demolitions going, | 0:30:39 | 0:30:42 | |
great block of flats in the middle of Leeds was being demolished. | 0:30:42 | 0:30:45 | |
Lots of back-to-backs and so-called slums were being taken away. | 0:30:45 | 0:30:49 | |
Factories were going bust and being demolished. | 0:30:49 | 0:30:51 | |
So I kind of got this reputation that if I photographed it | 0:30:51 | 0:30:55 | |
it wouldn't be there in a couple of months' time. | 0:30:55 | 0:30:58 | |
Which is patently true. | 0:30:58 | 0:31:00 | |
Your contemporaries at the time were photographing in black and white. | 0:31:00 | 0:31:03 | |
Why did you choose colour? | 0:31:03 | 0:31:05 | |
Colour's the natural thing. It's the way we all look at stuff. | 0:31:05 | 0:31:08 | |
And I made some effort to always use kind of muted colours and suchlike. | 0:31:08 | 0:31:13 | |
And this was before the invention of... | 0:31:13 | 0:31:16 | |
saturated colour work, you know? | 0:31:16 | 0:31:19 | |
Erm...flash and all the rest of it. | 0:31:19 | 0:31:22 | |
And I've again retained natural light nearly all the time. | 0:31:22 | 0:31:27 | |
Making sure usually that I photograph | 0:31:28 | 0:31:30 | |
on reasonably dull days. | 0:31:30 | 0:31:32 | |
Hand-held all the time. Never used a tripod. | 0:31:32 | 0:31:35 | |
Does this labour of love now feel over for you? | 0:31:38 | 0:31:41 | |
Today's shooting has been excellent. | 0:31:44 | 0:31:46 | |
This is a special day because I've not seen Francis for some years | 0:31:47 | 0:31:52 | |
and to find out he was still active... | 0:31:52 | 0:31:55 | |
..it gives me great pleasure, Francis. Thanks again. | 0:31:57 | 0:31:59 | |
I still regard photography as... | 0:31:59 | 0:32:03 | |
almost slightly religious. | 0:32:03 | 0:32:05 | |
But it's that idea of, you know, light from out there, | 0:32:05 | 0:32:08 | |
almost God's light, comes down and hits you, | 0:32:08 | 0:32:11 | |
bounces off into my camera, onto the film. | 0:32:11 | 0:32:13 | |
And then there you are, you know, | 0:32:13 | 0:32:15 | |
the speed of light, as I think David Bailey used to say, or somebody. | 0:32:15 | 0:32:20 | |
Peter captured a changing Britain in a humane and idiosyncratic way. | 0:32:22 | 0:32:28 | |
We can clearly see the value of his photographs now. | 0:32:28 | 0:32:32 | |
But back in the '70s his work might have been overlooked | 0:32:33 | 0:32:36 | |
if it hadn't have been for an emerging network | 0:32:36 | 0:32:39 | |
of forward-thinking galleries. | 0:32:39 | 0:32:41 | |
In 1979, curator, historian and champion of British photography, | 0:32:42 | 0:32:47 | |
Val Williams, exhibited Peter's pictures at her gallery in York. | 0:32:47 | 0:32:53 | |
Nearly 40 years later, the gallery is still going strong | 0:32:54 | 0:32:58 | |
and showing Peter's photographs once again. | 0:32:58 | 0:33:00 | |
How important where these galleries to create a new culture | 0:33:01 | 0:33:05 | |
in photography? | 0:33:05 | 0:33:07 | |
I think without them some of those photographers | 0:33:07 | 0:33:09 | |
probably would have given up because there was no outlet | 0:33:09 | 0:33:12 | |
for what they did. | 0:33:12 | 0:33:14 | |
I think they were important politically because they said | 0:33:14 | 0:33:17 | |
to the Arts Council and to the major museums, you know, | 0:33:17 | 0:33:20 | |
we're here, we're not going away. | 0:33:20 | 0:33:22 | |
And the climate in photography was truly dreadful at that time. | 0:33:22 | 0:33:25 | |
The Tate refused to buy photographs. | 0:33:25 | 0:33:28 | |
I think it was the Whitworth Art Gallery in Manchester | 0:33:28 | 0:33:30 | |
actually had a statement saying it would not exhibit photographs. | 0:33:30 | 0:33:34 | |
Independent galleries played a crucial role | 0:33:36 | 0:33:39 | |
in nurturing outsider talents like Peter Mitchell. | 0:33:39 | 0:33:42 | |
But this new independent scene was diverse. | 0:33:42 | 0:33:45 | |
It also included publishers and workshops | 0:33:45 | 0:33:48 | |
and these went on to foster a photographer | 0:33:48 | 0:33:51 | |
who was very different from Peter. | 0:33:51 | 0:33:53 | |
One of the most acclaimed photographers of her generation, | 0:34:06 | 0:34:10 | |
Fay Godwin, worked in that most traditional of genres - landscape. | 0:34:10 | 0:34:14 | |
Fay struggled to make ends meet as a professional photographer | 0:34:17 | 0:34:21 | |
but she doggedly pursued her love of landscape photography | 0:34:21 | 0:34:24 | |
and she finally made her name in 1985 | 0:34:24 | 0:34:28 | |
by publishing a striking black and white collection called Land. | 0:34:28 | 0:34:32 | |
These were beautiful photographs in a Romantic tradition of landscape | 0:34:35 | 0:34:39 | |
going back centuries. | 0:34:39 | 0:34:41 | |
So it's not surprising that her book | 0:34:44 | 0:34:46 | |
became a coffee table bestseller. | 0:34:46 | 0:34:49 | |
Land presents a picturesque vision of Britain. | 0:34:49 | 0:34:53 | |
For Fay, this stood in contrast to her own disillusionment | 0:34:53 | 0:34:57 | |
with other aspects of national life. | 0:34:57 | 0:35:00 | |
'I think we're a grotty little country | 0:35:00 | 0:35:02 | |
'with all sorts of things wrong with it, | 0:35:02 | 0:35:04 | |
'but that we have some of the most varied and delightful landscape | 0:35:04 | 0:35:08 | |
'that I've seen anywhere. | 0:35:08 | 0:35:10 | |
'I love the light here. | 0:35:10 | 0:35:11 | |
'The weather is often infuriating but it's full of surprises | 0:35:11 | 0:35:15 | |
'so one can never get bored with it.' | 0:35:15 | 0:35:18 | |
While Fay was putting together her book, | 0:35:19 | 0:35:22 | |
she attended photographic workshops in Derbyshire to hone her skills. | 0:35:22 | 0:35:27 | |
The South Bank Show filmed Fay on one of these workshops in 1986. | 0:35:28 | 0:35:33 | |
But here, politics was discussed as much as f-stops and lenses. | 0:35:33 | 0:35:38 | |
'The workshops aimed to bring together | 0:35:39 | 0:35:41 | |
'like-minded photographers | 0:35:41 | 0:35:43 | |
'to talk about ideology as well as technique. | 0:35:43 | 0:35:47 | |
'I've come to Derbyshire to follow in Fay's footsteps | 0:35:47 | 0:35:51 | |
'and talk with the founder of the workshops | 0:35:51 | 0:35:53 | |
'that transformed her practice.' | 0:35:53 | 0:35:56 | |
The time was right with a sort of sense of independence | 0:35:56 | 0:35:59 | |
in photography. | 0:35:59 | 0:36:01 | |
A lot of photographers were fed up | 0:36:01 | 0:36:03 | |
with having only to be, you know, making work | 0:36:03 | 0:36:06 | |
to illustrate text or sell products. | 0:36:06 | 0:36:09 | |
-As ordered by a picture editor? -Exactly. | 0:36:09 | 0:36:12 | |
And one of those was Fay. | 0:36:12 | 0:36:13 | |
What she found, I think, from the workshops was about ideas. | 0:36:13 | 0:36:17 | |
And I think this, you know, was important, | 0:36:17 | 0:36:20 | |
that it was about her, | 0:36:20 | 0:36:22 | |
not just about a particular style, you know, or an approach. | 0:36:22 | 0:36:26 | |
And to be more experimental. | 0:36:26 | 0:36:28 | |
And to push the boat out a bit. | 0:36:28 | 0:36:30 | |
I think this gave her the confidence to actually do that | 0:36:30 | 0:36:33 | |
and obviously the result of that you can see in her work. | 0:36:33 | 0:36:37 | |
Do you think the workshops freed up Fay's radical spirit? | 0:36:37 | 0:36:41 | |
I think so, because she could see it was about ideas. | 0:36:41 | 0:36:43 | |
She could say something with her pictures. | 0:36:43 | 0:36:45 | |
Really, that's what she wanted to do, she wanted to say things | 0:36:45 | 0:36:48 | |
about the land and access to the land | 0:36:48 | 0:36:51 | |
and she was very political in many respects. | 0:36:51 | 0:36:54 | |
And I think she felt that photography could be a vehicle | 0:36:54 | 0:36:58 | |
for her ideas but also her beliefs and her opinions. | 0:36:58 | 0:37:03 | |
Curator Val Williams also attended workshops in the late 1970s. | 0:37:05 | 0:37:09 | |
And she watched on as Fay's work took a new turn. | 0:37:10 | 0:37:14 | |
Fay Godwin was an important person in independent British photography | 0:37:16 | 0:37:21 | |
because she represented landscape. | 0:37:21 | 0:37:23 | |
And that was thin on the ground. | 0:37:23 | 0:37:26 | |
She found out a lot of things about the way the land was being used | 0:37:26 | 0:37:30 | |
and particularly about so much land had been corralled by the MoD | 0:37:30 | 0:37:35 | |
in the Second World War and then not given back. | 0:37:35 | 0:37:38 | |
They were supposed to give it back but they didn't. | 0:37:38 | 0:37:40 | |
So, gradually, as she got to know more about the land | 0:37:40 | 0:37:43 | |
she became more political. | 0:37:43 | 0:37:45 | |
In the pages of Fay's follow-up book, Our Forbidden Land, | 0:37:47 | 0:37:51 | |
you can see the change in her photography. | 0:37:51 | 0:37:53 | |
Here she works almost like a photojournalist, | 0:37:56 | 0:38:00 | |
trying to convey a message about how the land is being bought up, | 0:38:00 | 0:38:03 | |
restricted and controlled, | 0:38:03 | 0:38:06 | |
and how little influence we have over this. | 0:38:06 | 0:38:09 | |
Fay Godwin was showing how politics, money and power | 0:38:12 | 0:38:17 | |
were transforming the landscape. | 0:38:17 | 0:38:20 | |
But, elsewhere, another photographer was examining | 0:38:20 | 0:38:23 | |
how these very same forces were changing us. | 0:38:23 | 0:38:27 | |
MUSIC | 0:38:30 | 0:38:32 | |
Is he serious? Is he a satirist? | 0:38:49 | 0:38:52 | |
Martin Parr's acutely observed images of British people | 0:38:52 | 0:38:56 | |
have certainly divided opinion. | 0:38:56 | 0:38:59 | |
But they've also made him one of the most famous photographers | 0:38:59 | 0:39:02 | |
in the country today. | 0:39:02 | 0:39:04 | |
I notice when you're working, when you start you're very discreet, you work around the edges. | 0:39:07 | 0:39:12 | |
And as you warm up and probably as they get more relaxed with you | 0:39:12 | 0:39:15 | |
you move in amongst the dancers. | 0:39:15 | 0:39:18 | |
Are you conscious of that way of working, | 0:39:18 | 0:39:20 | |
that you soften them up a little? | 0:39:20 | 0:39:22 | |
It's funny, you tell me that, and it's something I'm not conscious of. | 0:39:22 | 0:39:26 | |
It's something that you do. | 0:39:26 | 0:39:28 | |
And, of course, you have to watch and observe and see what's happening | 0:39:30 | 0:39:33 | |
and then find a way of lining up the things to really make it work. | 0:39:33 | 0:39:38 | |
What attracts you to these old seaside towns like Scarborough? | 0:39:44 | 0:39:48 | |
When I was a kid I used to come and stay with my grandfather. | 0:39:48 | 0:39:51 | |
He used to take me here and he's an amateur photographer. | 0:39:51 | 0:39:54 | |
So in a sense the person that really got me excited about photography | 0:39:54 | 0:39:57 | |
was him. | 0:39:57 | 0:39:59 | |
And one of the places we came to was Scarborough. | 0:39:59 | 0:40:01 | |
But it's the photographs Martin took of another seaside town | 0:40:03 | 0:40:06 | |
that made his name. | 0:40:06 | 0:40:08 | |
# Shout, shout, let it all out... # | 0:40:08 | 0:40:12 | |
In 1984, he published a book of photographs taken in New Brighton | 0:40:12 | 0:40:16 | |
near Liverpool. | 0:40:16 | 0:40:18 | |
He called it The Last Resort. | 0:40:18 | 0:40:20 | |
# I'm talking to you, come on... # | 0:40:20 | 0:40:24 | |
There's something about these photographs | 0:40:24 | 0:40:27 | |
that remind me of John Hinde's postcards. | 0:40:27 | 0:40:30 | |
Martin Parr mixes the quality and colour of commercial photography | 0:40:31 | 0:40:35 | |
with documentary realism. | 0:40:35 | 0:40:37 | |
The resulting pictures are hyperreal, almost cartoon-like. | 0:40:37 | 0:40:42 | |
But some critics accuse him of being cruel, even snobbish. | 0:40:42 | 0:40:46 | |
Val Williams showed some of his early work at her gallery. | 0:40:48 | 0:40:53 | |
There was a kind of strange feeling at that time. | 0:40:53 | 0:40:55 | |
Maybe there was a kind of element of hysteria in it, | 0:40:55 | 0:40:59 | |
that there were people you were allowed to photograph, | 0:40:59 | 0:41:02 | |
which was basically toffs. | 0:41:02 | 0:41:03 | |
You could kind of make fun of them as much as you wanted to. | 0:41:03 | 0:41:06 | |
But there were other people that you weren't allowed to photograph. | 0:41:06 | 0:41:10 | |
I think that was a very, kind of, tricky and difficult position, | 0:41:10 | 0:41:13 | |
which is, erm... | 0:41:13 | 0:41:15 | |
which really pervaded photography for a long time. | 0:41:15 | 0:41:18 | |
That kind of discussion about who you could and couldn't photograph. | 0:41:18 | 0:41:22 | |
And it's an argument that's full of holes, really. | 0:41:22 | 0:41:26 | |
Parr denied that he was making fun of his subjects in The Last Resort. | 0:41:28 | 0:41:32 | |
But the criticism must have touched a nerve | 0:41:32 | 0:41:35 | |
because in his follow-up book he turned his camera on his own tribe. | 0:41:35 | 0:41:40 | |
# I find it kind of sad | 0:41:40 | 0:41:42 | |
# The dreams in which I'm dying are the best I've ever had... # | 0:41:42 | 0:41:46 | |
Why did you focus on the middle classes | 0:41:46 | 0:41:48 | |
for your book The Cost Of Living? | 0:41:48 | 0:41:50 | |
I mean, previous to that I'd done a project about | 0:41:50 | 0:41:53 | |
the working-class resort of New Brighton, just near to Liverpool. | 0:41:53 | 0:41:57 | |
And I decided after that that I should try and do another class, | 0:41:57 | 0:42:00 | |
a class that actually hadn't been photographed that much, | 0:42:00 | 0:42:03 | |
and that's the class that I was a member of. | 0:42:03 | 0:42:06 | |
In order to do this we decided that I had to move from Liverpool, | 0:42:06 | 0:42:09 | |
about the least middle-class city in the UK, down to Bristol, | 0:42:09 | 0:42:12 | |
which is where I currently live. | 0:42:12 | 0:42:14 | |
# Because I find it hard to take | 0:42:14 | 0:42:16 | |
# When people run in circles | 0:42:16 | 0:42:18 | |
# It's a very, very | 0:42:18 | 0:42:20 | |
# Mad world... # | 0:42:20 | 0:42:22 | |
For me it was partly therapeutic | 0:42:22 | 0:42:24 | |
because here we were in the time of Mrs Thatcher. | 0:42:24 | 0:42:27 | |
I didn't like Mrs Thatcher at all. | 0:42:27 | 0:42:29 | |
I felt quite uncomfortable about her, yet my career was thriving. | 0:42:29 | 0:42:32 | |
So that sort of guilt that's always associated with the middle classes | 0:42:32 | 0:42:36 | |
was one of the reasons why I wanted to explore it as a subject matter. | 0:42:36 | 0:42:39 | |
I went to things that I was part of, such as, you know, | 0:42:39 | 0:42:43 | |
my partner was pregnant so we went to the antenatal classes | 0:42:43 | 0:42:46 | |
run by the NCT. | 0:42:46 | 0:42:48 | |
But then I also photographed things that I didn't feel particularly | 0:42:48 | 0:42:52 | |
connected to, like craft fairs. I've never been a big fan of them. | 0:42:52 | 0:42:55 | |
So I went to them. | 0:42:55 | 0:42:57 | |
So I used my prejudices as almost my starting point. | 0:42:57 | 0:43:00 | |
So I did both the things I liked and the things that I didn't like. | 0:43:00 | 0:43:04 | |
How important is humour in your work? | 0:43:04 | 0:43:06 | |
People are funny. I mean, there's no question about that. | 0:43:06 | 0:43:09 | |
To pretend that people and what they do aren't...isn't funny and... | 0:43:09 | 0:43:13 | |
It would be ridiculous. | 0:43:13 | 0:43:15 | |
But it's not just to take the piss out of people, you know? | 0:43:15 | 0:43:18 | |
I'm taking, remember, the piss out of myself, you know, | 0:43:18 | 0:43:21 | |
that's the first thing to say. | 0:43:21 | 0:43:23 | |
And I'm just photographing people with a sense of mischief. | 0:43:23 | 0:43:26 | |
And there is a great, sort of, satirical, you know, | 0:43:26 | 0:43:30 | |
tradition in the UK which I feel I'm part of. | 0:43:30 | 0:43:33 | |
Martin Parr's eye misses nothing. | 0:43:34 | 0:43:37 | |
He made a comedy out of life in the '80s | 0:43:37 | 0:43:40 | |
by scrutinising the most banal of activities. | 0:43:40 | 0:43:43 | |
This was a decade driven by aspiration. | 0:43:43 | 0:43:46 | |
How you looked, what you wore, | 0:43:46 | 0:43:48 | |
and where you shopped wear badges of social status. | 0:43:48 | 0:43:52 | |
Religiously attending aerobics classes | 0:43:52 | 0:43:55 | |
or buying the right kind of furniture | 0:43:55 | 0:43:58 | |
were tickets into a new middle class. | 0:43:58 | 0:44:00 | |
With his use of colour and flash, | 0:44:01 | 0:44:04 | |
Parr's photographs look more like glossy magazine shots | 0:44:04 | 0:44:08 | |
than traditional documentary images. | 0:44:08 | 0:44:11 | |
This made his satire of consumerism even more pointed and effective. | 0:44:11 | 0:44:16 | |
I was picking up on the language of commercial photography | 0:44:17 | 0:44:20 | |
and I wanted to show almost, like, quality of advertising | 0:44:20 | 0:44:24 | |
with the colour but, of course, I'm applying it | 0:44:24 | 0:44:26 | |
to my own art situation rather than, sort of, a commercial situation. | 0:44:26 | 0:44:30 | |
So even now I still use flash a lot because I like the intensity | 0:44:30 | 0:44:35 | |
that it brings. | 0:44:35 | 0:44:36 | |
It makes things...it gives them a slightly surreal feel to it. | 0:44:36 | 0:44:40 | |
So even though I often don't need flash, I will have it on the camera | 0:44:40 | 0:44:44 | |
and include it because it just helps to, sort of, detach it | 0:44:44 | 0:44:48 | |
from the reality that we're looking at | 0:44:48 | 0:44:50 | |
and it makes it clearer that it's an interpretation of the scene | 0:44:50 | 0:44:53 | |
rather than just a depiction of it. | 0:44:53 | 0:44:56 | |
There's an absurdity in this book which is just wonderful, I think. | 0:44:56 | 0:45:00 | |
And I think probably it's his most autobiographical book | 0:45:00 | 0:45:04 | |
because he was in exactly that same position, as we all were. | 0:45:04 | 0:45:07 | |
You know, we'd stopped being very young | 0:45:07 | 0:45:09 | |
and we were trying to work out who we were and where to go | 0:45:09 | 0:45:12 | |
and how to deal with, kind of, all this stuff. | 0:45:12 | 0:45:15 | |
And I think that it's a kind of growing up book, I think. | 0:45:15 | 0:45:18 | |
And I've always loved it because of that. | 0:45:18 | 0:45:20 | |
In his photographs, Martin Parr shows us a parallel reality. | 0:45:22 | 0:45:27 | |
One that's instantly recognisable but somehow ludicrous. | 0:45:27 | 0:45:31 | |
A kind of Parr World, if you like. | 0:45:31 | 0:45:34 | |
And his pictures appeal, I think, | 0:45:35 | 0:45:37 | |
because they show that everyday life | 0:45:37 | 0:45:40 | |
can be both humdrum and boring | 0:45:40 | 0:45:43 | |
but at the same time incredibly strange and surreal. | 0:45:43 | 0:45:47 | |
Since the publication of The Cost Of Living, | 0:45:48 | 0:45:51 | |
Martin has been keen to embrace whatever new technology | 0:45:51 | 0:45:54 | |
can improve his practice. | 0:45:54 | 0:45:56 | |
Today, I see he is using a digital camera | 0:45:56 | 0:46:00 | |
to photograph the dancers. | 0:46:00 | 0:46:02 | |
The advances of the technology in terms of digital | 0:46:03 | 0:46:06 | |
have been quite profound in the sort of nine or ten years | 0:46:06 | 0:46:09 | |
since I've been using digital. | 0:46:09 | 0:46:11 | |
And the quality you get now is quite staggering. | 0:46:11 | 0:46:14 | |
It's just mind-blowing when you see the big prints you can get | 0:46:14 | 0:46:17 | |
from a 35mm DSLR. | 0:46:17 | 0:46:20 | |
But unlike Martin Parr, I'm a little bit more sceptical | 0:46:23 | 0:46:27 | |
about digital photography and what it means for my own work. | 0:46:27 | 0:46:30 | |
BELL RINGS | 0:46:31 | 0:46:33 | |
Today I also use a digital camera | 0:46:33 | 0:46:36 | |
that can take thousands of high-quality images, | 0:46:36 | 0:46:39 | |
some of which can be sent over to picture editors in seconds. | 0:46:39 | 0:46:43 | |
And these cameras are more like computers. | 0:46:46 | 0:46:49 | |
Focus and exposure are automated, | 0:46:49 | 0:46:52 | |
which certainly makes photographing fast action easier. | 0:46:52 | 0:46:56 | |
But my worry is now that the camera does so much of the work | 0:46:58 | 0:47:01 | |
that less consideration goes into the actual composition | 0:47:01 | 0:47:05 | |
and framing of the picture. | 0:47:05 | 0:47:07 | |
And, of course, everybody's a photographer now. | 0:47:07 | 0:47:11 | |
In the mid-1990s, it was estimated that 20 billion images | 0:47:13 | 0:47:17 | |
were being taken worldwide. | 0:47:17 | 0:47:20 | |
And by 2013, that figure had doubled. | 0:47:20 | 0:47:24 | |
So, in this vast ocean of images, how are you supposed to take | 0:47:26 | 0:47:30 | |
a really great photograph - one that actually stands out? | 0:47:30 | 0:47:34 | |
Though I've got my doubts about digital, | 0:47:42 | 0:47:45 | |
I know it has opened up fresh possibilities | 0:47:45 | 0:47:48 | |
for a new kind of photographer. | 0:47:48 | 0:47:50 | |
I've come to Manchester to visit someone | 0:47:50 | 0:47:52 | |
who's exploring the new frontier of photography. | 0:47:52 | 0:47:55 | |
Mishka Henner makes startling pictures using material | 0:47:56 | 0:48:00 | |
he finds on the internet. | 0:48:00 | 0:48:01 | |
'But in his studio there's not a camera in sight. | 0:48:01 | 0:48:05 | |
'Mishka uses satellite imagery to access forbidden places | 0:48:05 | 0:48:10 | |
'such as these areas of industrial farmland in Texas. | 0:48:10 | 0:48:14 | |
'Now, it strikes me that Mishka has something in common with Fay Godwin. | 0:48:14 | 0:48:19 | |
'These are very different kinds of images | 0:48:19 | 0:48:22 | |
'but both try to reveal how the landscape is used and controlled. | 0:48:22 | 0:48:27 | |
'Mishka is following on from Fay by pushing the limits | 0:48:27 | 0:48:31 | |
'of this oldest of photographic genres. | 0:48:31 | 0:48:33 | |
'So I've asked him to follow her and create a new set of photographs | 0:48:35 | 0:48:39 | |
'revealing secret parts of Britain. | 0:48:39 | 0:48:42 | |
'Places that she could only dream of accessing. | 0:48:42 | 0:48:45 | |
'And I want Mishka to show me, step-by-step, how he works.' | 0:48:46 | 0:48:51 | |
So, what do you think this is? | 0:48:52 | 0:48:54 | |
Well, to my eye, I think this is an industrial park of some sort. | 0:48:54 | 0:48:59 | |
I imagine, by looking at this, a series of buildings | 0:48:59 | 0:49:03 | |
that are interconnected, which are quite big and quite important. | 0:49:03 | 0:49:07 | |
Well, an industrial park would be, yeah, an interesting take on it. | 0:49:07 | 0:49:11 | |
It's a map of Britain. | 0:49:11 | 0:49:13 | |
And each colour represents a different zone | 0:49:14 | 0:49:18 | |
that is restricted or hazardous for one reason or another. | 0:49:18 | 0:49:21 | |
So the red areas are danger areas where military activity takes place. | 0:49:21 | 0:49:26 | |
The grey areas are the flight corridors | 0:49:26 | 0:49:29 | |
used by commercial and non-commercial aircraft. | 0:49:29 | 0:49:33 | |
And how do you find this information out? | 0:49:33 | 0:49:35 | |
This is a map that's available online. | 0:49:35 | 0:49:37 | |
It's a map that any pilot or would-be pilot would use | 0:49:37 | 0:49:41 | |
to know where they can and can't go in the British Isles. | 0:49:41 | 0:49:45 | |
The minute you start to find restricted areas | 0:49:45 | 0:49:48 | |
you're already on to something | 0:49:48 | 0:49:50 | |
because the fact that it's restricted means | 0:49:50 | 0:49:53 | |
there's something there that is being hidden away, if you like. | 0:49:53 | 0:49:57 | |
And then what do you do with it next? | 0:49:57 | 0:49:59 | |
There's a reference document that goes with the map | 0:49:59 | 0:50:02 | |
that tells you the exact co-ordinates of these areas. | 0:50:02 | 0:50:05 | |
So what we would do is we would take those co-ordinates | 0:50:05 | 0:50:07 | |
and put those co-ordinates into a basic satellite image | 0:50:07 | 0:50:11 | |
piece of software like Google Earth | 0:50:11 | 0:50:13 | |
and see the aerial imagery of that area. | 0:50:13 | 0:50:15 | |
So we can take... we'll take this one here. | 0:50:15 | 0:50:18 | |
MUSIC: Sun by Caribou | 0:50:18 | 0:50:21 | |
So this is a site in Essex called Fingringhoe Ranges. | 0:50:30 | 0:50:34 | |
It's a site used by the military to... | 0:50:34 | 0:50:38 | |
As a...as a live firing range. | 0:50:38 | 0:50:41 | |
It's also, as it happens... | 0:50:41 | 0:50:44 | |
A Site of Special Scientific Interest | 0:50:44 | 0:50:47 | |
and a special protection area | 0:50:47 | 0:50:49 | |
and there's a nature reserve in there as well. | 0:50:49 | 0:50:51 | |
It's the kind of place that is full of all of the contradictory elements | 0:50:52 | 0:50:57 | |
that make up Britain. | 0:50:57 | 0:50:59 | |
This is the area that we were looking at on the screen. | 0:50:59 | 0:51:02 | |
So what I've done is, I've taken the boundaries | 0:51:02 | 0:51:05 | |
set by the aerial chart | 0:51:05 | 0:51:07 | |
and I've superimposed that over the satellite image. | 0:51:07 | 0:51:12 | |
So you've got the exact co-ordinates of the location, | 0:51:12 | 0:51:15 | |
which the boundary marks. | 0:51:15 | 0:51:17 | |
And then you've got the name of the site itself. | 0:51:17 | 0:51:20 | |
Now, is this documentary photography? | 0:51:20 | 0:51:23 | |
Well, I think it's trying to make things visible | 0:51:23 | 0:51:26 | |
that are, for the most part, I think, kept hidden away from us, | 0:51:26 | 0:51:31 | |
which is what I think all good documentary and art does. | 0:51:31 | 0:51:35 | |
There is a photograph in there that's in the world | 0:51:35 | 0:51:39 | |
that I have changed the context of | 0:51:39 | 0:51:42 | |
but there's also a combination of lots of other elements | 0:51:42 | 0:51:45 | |
such as the graphic element which comes from the chart, | 0:51:45 | 0:51:49 | |
the text element which comes from research documents. | 0:51:49 | 0:51:52 | |
So, in a sense, it's... | 0:51:52 | 0:51:54 | |
You can think of them as samples, different samples... | 0:51:54 | 0:51:57 | |
-As in music? -Like, like, that's right, yeah. | 0:51:57 | 0:52:00 | |
As a musician might work today, taking samples of different things | 0:52:00 | 0:52:05 | |
and then putting them together to make a new composition. | 0:52:05 | 0:52:08 | |
You know, we're living in a time where | 0:52:08 | 0:52:11 | |
there's an absolute abundance of material. | 0:52:11 | 0:52:13 | |
And to not work with it, regardless of whether you are | 0:52:13 | 0:52:18 | |
the original author of the original sample seems... | 0:52:18 | 0:52:22 | |
it seems absurd. | 0:52:22 | 0:52:25 | |
The digital revolution hasn't just profoundly changed the way | 0:52:28 | 0:52:32 | |
we make photographs, but also how we present and share them. | 0:52:32 | 0:52:36 | |
MUSIC: The Look by Metronomy | 0:52:36 | 0:52:39 | |
Instagram fuses two aspects of the digital world - | 0:52:42 | 0:52:46 | |
photography and social media. | 0:52:46 | 0:52:49 | |
And 16-year-old Molly Boniface from Huddersfield | 0:52:51 | 0:52:55 | |
is one of 500 million Instagram users worldwide. | 0:52:55 | 0:53:00 | |
With her smartphone, | 0:53:03 | 0:53:05 | |
Molly takes snapshots and shares them instantly online. | 0:53:05 | 0:53:08 | |
This clearly isn't just a hobby for Molly. | 0:53:10 | 0:53:13 | |
Look how many photographs she takes. | 0:53:13 | 0:53:15 | |
Molly expresses herself through photography every day of her life. | 0:53:22 | 0:53:27 | |
The medium has never been more alive | 0:53:34 | 0:53:37 | |
than in the hands of someone like her. | 0:53:37 | 0:53:40 | |
'I've come to learn a little bit more | 0:53:43 | 0:53:46 | |
'about its role in Molly's life.' | 0:53:46 | 0:53:48 | |
Tell me how important photography is to you. | 0:53:54 | 0:53:57 | |
Right, I think, for me personally, it's really important | 0:53:57 | 0:54:00 | |
because I've always liked art | 0:54:00 | 0:54:03 | |
and I think photography's the most instant way of doing that. | 0:54:03 | 0:54:07 | |
And all the time, like, wherever... | 0:54:07 | 0:54:09 | |
If I go out, that's what I look forward to. | 0:54:09 | 0:54:12 | |
To taking pictures of whatever I see. | 0:54:12 | 0:54:15 | |
Since I've got a phone as well, | 0:54:15 | 0:54:17 | |
that's something that I can just use all the time. | 0:54:17 | 0:54:20 | |
-And that's always there. -So the camera is always with you? | 0:54:20 | 0:54:24 | |
Yeah, yeah, it's just what I do all the time. | 0:54:24 | 0:54:27 | |
I don't know. | 0:54:27 | 0:54:29 | |
And, essentially, are you having fun with photography? | 0:54:29 | 0:54:32 | |
-Is that what it's really about? -Yeah, yeah. | 0:54:32 | 0:54:34 | |
It's a social thing as well, like. | 0:54:34 | 0:54:36 | |
Me and all my friends, sort of, that's something that we bond over, | 0:54:36 | 0:54:41 | |
it's the photos that we take and... | 0:54:41 | 0:54:43 | |
we share them and it's cool. | 0:54:43 | 0:54:46 | |
Do you have any idea how many people are looking at your photos? | 0:54:46 | 0:54:49 | |
Well, I have on my account about 1,300 followers. | 0:54:49 | 0:54:54 | |
So, that's quite a lot of people, I think. | 0:54:54 | 0:54:58 | |
More people than I could show otherwise. | 0:54:58 | 0:55:02 | |
There are people that follow me that I don't know, | 0:55:02 | 0:55:06 | |
they don't know me, | 0:55:06 | 0:55:08 | |
we never speak, you know, they could be from anywhere. | 0:55:08 | 0:55:11 | |
But they've just seen my pictures and thought that they like them. | 0:55:11 | 0:55:14 | |
Are the photographs of you on Instagram really you | 0:55:14 | 0:55:17 | |
or a version of you? | 0:55:17 | 0:55:19 | |
I think it's very much a version of me that I choose to show everyone. | 0:55:19 | 0:55:23 | |
Because I am aware that I have a lot of followers | 0:55:23 | 0:55:25 | |
and everyone can see that. | 0:55:25 | 0:55:27 | |
And I think it's kind of like a public diary | 0:55:27 | 0:55:30 | |
that I think looks nice. | 0:55:30 | 0:55:32 | |
So I choose to show everyone. | 0:55:32 | 0:55:34 | |
And when I look back it's like a refined version, | 0:55:34 | 0:55:38 | |
whereas I keep other stuff, other pictures, just for me. | 0:55:38 | 0:55:41 | |
MUSIC: The Look by Metronomy | 0:55:41 | 0:55:44 | |
What makes a great photograph for you? | 0:55:54 | 0:55:56 | |
Well, I actually took one of my favourite ones on my Instagram here. | 0:55:56 | 0:56:00 | |
I'll show you. | 0:56:00 | 0:56:01 | |
It was my friend taking a photo of this view. | 0:56:01 | 0:56:05 | |
So you're taking a picture of your mate taking a picture? | 0:56:05 | 0:56:08 | |
Yeah, yeah, basically. | 0:56:08 | 0:56:10 | |
I just...I really like this one because I really like the symmetry, | 0:56:10 | 0:56:13 | |
you know, and I like the contrast of her jumper, you know, and bag, | 0:56:13 | 0:56:17 | |
it's so bright against just green. | 0:56:17 | 0:56:20 | |
And can you show me how you worked up to this picture? | 0:56:20 | 0:56:23 | |
Well, yeah, I took a few others but that was the only one I posted. | 0:56:23 | 0:56:26 | |
You know, I took, like, panorama ones because it's nice. | 0:56:26 | 0:56:30 | |
This place is so spooky, isn't it? Look at the mood of that. | 0:56:30 | 0:56:33 | |
Yeah, it's quite dark light. | 0:56:33 | 0:56:35 | |
-What would you do with the rest? Would you keep them, or...? -Yeah. | 0:56:35 | 0:56:38 | |
I mean, I've kept them all and I think I've printed a few off. | 0:56:38 | 0:56:42 | |
But, yeah, that was the only one that I chose to put online. | 0:56:42 | 0:56:45 | |
So that's gone out there to all your followers around the world. | 0:56:45 | 0:56:49 | |
That was the one that was worthy! | 0:56:49 | 0:56:51 | |
'Taking photos is central to who Molly is. | 0:56:57 | 0:57:01 | |
'And it's the self-portrait that dominates her pictures. | 0:57:01 | 0:57:05 | |
'For her and many others, | 0:57:05 | 0:57:07 | |
'it has become THE photograph of the 21st century. | 0:57:07 | 0:57:11 | |
'So the most important subject for the everyday photographer | 0:57:11 | 0:57:15 | |
'is now themselves.' | 0:57:15 | 0:57:17 | |
MUSIC: Dayvan Cowboy by Boards of Canada | 0:57:19 | 0:57:22 | |
I've travelled a long way since my journey began | 0:57:28 | 0:57:32 | |
in front of a window in Lacock Abbey | 0:57:32 | 0:57:34 | |
where the first British photograph was taken more than 180 years ago. | 0:57:34 | 0:57:40 | |
I've seen the changing ways we've pictured ourselves. | 0:57:40 | 0:57:44 | |
I've learned how science and technology | 0:57:46 | 0:57:49 | |
have shaped the course of photography | 0:57:49 | 0:57:51 | |
at every stage of its history. | 0:57:51 | 0:57:53 | |
And how great art has come from the camera, | 0:57:55 | 0:57:57 | |
with every era producing its own photographic masterpieces. | 0:57:57 | 0:58:02 | |
And looking at all of this, | 0:58:05 | 0:58:07 | |
I can only marvel at the genius photography has for reinvention. | 0:58:07 | 0:58:12 | |
And that makes me optimistic for the future. | 0:58:12 | 0:58:15 | |
Because my profession has always shown itself ready and willing | 0:58:16 | 0:58:20 | |
to find ever more extraordinary ways | 0:58:20 | 0:58:23 | |
of bringing Britain into focus. | 0:58:23 | 0:58:26 |