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Hello and welcome to Inside Versailles. | 0:00:06 | 0:00:08 | |
We've had this gripping episode | 0:00:08 | 0:00:10 | |
of conspiracy and intrigue and notes stuffed into pineapples. | 0:00:10 | 0:00:14 | |
But what about Les Invalides? | 0:00:14 | 0:00:16 | |
It really goes back that far? | 0:00:16 | 0:00:17 | |
Yeah, I think we think of it as a Napoleonic thing, cos you | 0:00:17 | 0:00:19 | |
can go for a nice day trip to Paris and go and look at his tomb. | 0:00:19 | 0:00:22 | |
But actually it's Louis XIV's invention. | 0:00:22 | 0:00:24 | |
It's more or less a military pensioner hospital for the soldiers | 0:00:24 | 0:00:27 | |
and sailors who were injured at war. | 0:00:27 | 0:00:29 | |
But also I think it's partially this system to try and deal with | 0:00:29 | 0:00:33 | |
the construction workers of Versailles and the other palaces | 0:00:33 | 0:00:36 | |
who have been horribly maimed and crushed beneath various | 0:00:36 | 0:00:39 | |
bits of scaffolding, and they are demanding some sort of care. | 0:00:39 | 0:00:42 | |
So it's both for soldiers and sailors | 0:00:42 | 0:00:44 | |
and for construction workers who've basically fallen off the scaffold | 0:00:44 | 0:00:47 | |
because there's no harness and it's full of dangers. | 0:00:47 | 0:00:50 | |
There's no real health and safety making Versailles. | 0:00:50 | 0:00:52 | |
-No. -And was it true that ten men a week were crushed? | 0:00:52 | 0:00:55 | |
I think it's hard to know exact numbers, but there's 36,000 men | 0:00:55 | 0:00:58 | |
working on the project, you've got 30,000 in the gardens - | 0:00:58 | 0:01:00 | |
clearly, accidents are happening all the time. | 0:01:00 | 0:01:03 | |
They're tired, there's no harnesses, people are going to get hurt. | 0:01:03 | 0:01:06 | |
And we know, for example, there's a woman who comes in and remonstrates | 0:01:06 | 0:01:09 | |
with the King and yells at him because her son has been killed, | 0:01:09 | 0:01:12 | |
and he gets quite upset about this and has her whipped, | 0:01:12 | 0:01:15 | |
but clearly there is tension going on. | 0:01:15 | 0:01:17 | |
Well, that seems to be Louis's answer to all problems - | 0:01:17 | 0:01:19 | |
"I'm just going to throw a building at it. | 0:01:19 | 0:01:21 | |
"Can't control the nobles, build Versailles. Have a problem with my | 0:01:21 | 0:01:24 | |
"veterans and my workers, I'm going to build Les Invalides." | 0:01:24 | 0:01:26 | |
Yeah, he loves a grand spectacle, and there's nothing more grand | 0:01:26 | 0:01:29 | |
than a whacking great building to impress everybody. | 0:01:29 | 0:01:31 | |
But the other thing of course in this episode that's important, | 0:01:31 | 0:01:34 | |
it's not just the builders on strike, we've also seen a crucial | 0:01:34 | 0:01:37 | |
scene where we have Beatrice de Clermont and she is a Protestant, | 0:01:37 | 0:01:39 | |
and that apparently is a problem. | 0:01:39 | 0:01:41 | |
So I think we need to know more about religion - | 0:01:41 | 0:01:43 | |
let's go talk to Dr Sara Barker. | 0:01:43 | 0:01:45 | |
Sara, who is this strapping, handsome fella | 0:01:45 | 0:01:48 | |
with the manspreading in the portrait? | 0:01:48 | 0:01:51 | |
This is Henry IV, the founder of the Bourbon dynasty, | 0:01:51 | 0:01:54 | |
and Louis XIV's grandfather. | 0:01:54 | 0:01:57 | |
And so he presided over what we know as now as the Wars Of Religion. | 0:01:57 | 0:02:01 | |
So can you tell us a bit about that? | 0:02:01 | 0:02:03 | |
Yes, the Wars Of Religion are a great civil conflict | 0:02:03 | 0:02:06 | |
that engulfs France for the best part of four decades | 0:02:06 | 0:02:09 | |
at the end of the 16th century. | 0:02:09 | 0:02:11 | |
And it's very complicated - | 0:02:11 | 0:02:13 | |
essentially Henry is the person who is able to lead France | 0:02:13 | 0:02:16 | |
out of that great unrest, that great maelstrom. | 0:02:16 | 0:02:20 | |
And he really sets himself up as the kind of founder of a dynasty. | 0:02:20 | 0:02:23 | |
He is regarded as one of France's greatest kings. | 0:02:23 | 0:02:26 | |
Saviours... What religion was he? | 0:02:26 | 0:02:28 | |
Well... There's a question. | 0:02:28 | 0:02:30 | |
He was raised as a Protestant and then he converted to Catholicism | 0:02:30 | 0:02:34 | |
at a particularly difficult point in order to save his own skin. | 0:02:34 | 0:02:38 | |
But as soon as he was able to, | 0:02:38 | 0:02:40 | |
he converted back to Protestantism until he actually became king | 0:02:40 | 0:02:43 | |
and he realised that you couldn't be Protestant and be King of France, | 0:02:43 | 0:02:47 | |
and so he converted back to Catholicism. | 0:02:47 | 0:02:49 | |
-So he played for both teams? -He really did. | 0:02:49 | 0:02:51 | |
He was a very shrewd and pragmatic man. | 0:02:51 | 0:02:54 | |
So, Sara, what does it mean to be a Protestant in France at this time? | 0:02:54 | 0:02:58 | |
Well, it's incredibly tricky and problematic. | 0:02:58 | 0:03:01 | |
The Edict Of Nantes, which is the edict that Henry puts forward | 0:03:01 | 0:03:04 | |
to end the Wars Of Religion, gives Protestants certain rights, | 0:03:04 | 0:03:08 | |
certain towns that they're allowed to be in charge of. | 0:03:08 | 0:03:10 | |
They're allowed to go to universities, hold public office, | 0:03:10 | 0:03:14 | |
but they're quite restricted in where they're allowed to be, | 0:03:14 | 0:03:17 | |
where they're allowed to conduct their worship. | 0:03:17 | 0:03:20 | |
And gradually these rights get stripped away | 0:03:20 | 0:03:22 | |
over the course of the 17th century. | 0:03:22 | 0:03:24 | |
And Louis is a very religious man, Louis XIV is a great Catholic, | 0:03:24 | 0:03:27 | |
he only misses mass - his daily mass - once or twice. | 0:03:27 | 0:03:30 | |
So there's no way that if Mme de Clermont really existed | 0:03:30 | 0:03:33 | |
and was a Protestant, that her daughter would get anywhere near | 0:03:33 | 0:03:36 | |
close to being mistress, which of course is Clermont's basic ambition. | 0:03:36 | 0:03:40 | |
Well, it's very tricky. | 0:03:40 | 0:03:41 | |
There had been quite a few noble families who had been | 0:03:41 | 0:03:43 | |
Protestant, but because Protestants' rights are gradually eroded, | 0:03:43 | 0:03:47 | |
people realise it's not going to help you get on | 0:03:47 | 0:03:51 | |
to be a loud, prominent Protestant. | 0:03:51 | 0:03:54 | |
Best to be a Catholic. | 0:03:54 | 0:03:55 | |
Yes, best to fall in. It's just... | 0:03:55 | 0:03:58 | |
It's not illegal, but it's very uncomfortable to be a Protestant. | 0:03:58 | 0:04:00 | |
So obviously there's a sense of some pragmatism going on here - | 0:04:00 | 0:04:03 | |
families are choosing to embrace the right religion | 0:04:03 | 0:04:06 | |
to make sure they get on. But of course we're talking here | 0:04:06 | 0:04:09 | |
about decades where there's been really brutal violence, | 0:04:09 | 0:04:11 | |
people killed on the streets - thousands killed on the streets - | 0:04:11 | 0:04:14 | |
and Henry himself assassinated. | 0:04:14 | 0:04:16 | |
So religion is a tinderbox conversation, | 0:04:16 | 0:04:19 | |
it's combustible stuff. | 0:04:19 | 0:04:21 | |
It really matters. | 0:04:21 | 0:04:22 | |
Absolutely. It's not just a case of people making decisions | 0:04:22 | 0:04:26 | |
because it's going to be useful or pay off well for them in the end - | 0:04:26 | 0:04:30 | |
it is a question of people's eternal souls, as well. | 0:04:30 | 0:04:33 | |
It really matters what you believe, how you worship, how you pray. | 0:04:33 | 0:04:38 | |
But we know that Louis was particularly pious, | 0:04:38 | 0:04:41 | |
it's noted by his courtiers. | 0:04:41 | 0:04:42 | |
At the start of his reign he is devout, | 0:04:42 | 0:04:45 | |
but not particularly austere, | 0:04:45 | 0:04:47 | |
but that does change over the course of his reign - | 0:04:47 | 0:04:49 | |
he becomes increasingly pious as time goes on. | 0:04:49 | 0:04:52 | |
And what about the fact that he behaves in a way that | 0:04:52 | 0:04:55 | |
sets him at complete odds with the Catholic Church, | 0:04:55 | 0:04:57 | |
and that's with all the mistresses? | 0:04:57 | 0:04:59 | |
Yes, that is a bit of a tricky thing to reconcile. | 0:04:59 | 0:05:01 | |
I think it's something that Louis understands | 0:05:01 | 0:05:04 | |
as almost acting in a kingly way. | 0:05:04 | 0:05:06 | |
I mean, Henry, his grandfather, is well known for his love of women, | 0:05:06 | 0:05:10 | |
pretty mistresses - his nickname is le vert galant, the Green Gallant. | 0:05:10 | 0:05:14 | |
So it's the kind of thing that I think Louis picks up on, | 0:05:14 | 0:05:17 | |
that that is how a king should act. | 0:05:17 | 0:05:19 | |
That's how a King should act - | 0:05:19 | 0:05:20 | |
he's the sun, so everyone should be the stars around him. | 0:05:20 | 0:05:23 | |
But the Catholic Church... It's really putting the mistresses | 0:05:23 | 0:05:26 | |
and the Catholic Church on a big collision course. | 0:05:26 | 0:05:29 | |
Yes, and it's not an easy thing for him to reconcile. | 0:05:29 | 0:05:32 | |
This is the great period of the counterreformation in France. | 0:05:32 | 0:05:35 | |
This is when we have great evangelising missions - | 0:05:35 | 0:05:38 | |
the Jesuits have really got Louis's ear at court, as well, | 0:05:38 | 0:05:43 | |
so it is quite a tense situation. | 0:05:43 | 0:05:47 | |
And it isn't easy for Louis to always act | 0:05:47 | 0:05:50 | |
in the way that he might instinctively want to. | 0:05:50 | 0:05:53 | |
It seems to me that it's the mistresses who get blamed, | 0:05:53 | 0:05:56 | |
it's the mistresses who aren't allowed to go to mass, | 0:05:56 | 0:05:58 | |
it's the mistresses who get criticised by the Church | 0:05:58 | 0:06:01 | |
because you can't criticise the King. | 0:06:01 | 0:06:02 | |
Well, no. The religious situation of the mistresses | 0:06:02 | 0:06:05 | |
is one that is quite delicate. | 0:06:05 | 0:06:07 | |
We know that Louise herself ends up asking to go to a convent. | 0:06:07 | 0:06:11 | |
Serious stuff. Well, unfortunately we've run out of time, | 0:06:11 | 0:06:14 | |
so thank you so much for joining us. | 0:06:14 | 0:06:16 | |
Next week we'll be having all sorts of lovely conspiracies | 0:06:16 | 0:06:19 | |
and I'm pretty sure that Beatrice de Clermont is shifty, | 0:06:19 | 0:06:22 | |
so keep an eye on her. | 0:06:22 | 0:06:23 | |
But that's all we have time for, | 0:06:23 | 0:06:25 | |
-so thanks for watching, and bonsoir. -Bonsoir. | 0:06:25 | 0:06:27 |