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Ordinary people... | 0:00:02 | 0:00:03 | |
-Look at that. -Tsunami! | 0:00:03 | 0:00:05 | |
..extraordinary stories. | 0:00:05 | 0:00:07 | |
It was one of the most amazing days of my life. | 0:00:07 | 0:00:10 | |
It just felt like being part of a moment in history. | 0:00:10 | 0:00:14 | |
Bonds forged amid triumphs... | 0:00:14 | 0:00:17 | |
and tragedies. | 0:00:17 | 0:00:19 | |
She came to help people. | 0:00:19 | 0:00:21 | |
So, to me, she is an angel. She is a great person. | 0:00:21 | 0:00:24 | |
It would mean an awful lot to me | 0:00:24 | 0:00:26 | |
to be able to say thank you to the firemen that saved me. | 0:00:26 | 0:00:29 | |
They shared a past, then faced a future apart. | 0:00:29 | 0:00:33 | |
I just hope I recognise them! | 0:00:33 | 0:00:35 | |
Brought together by fate... | 0:00:35 | 0:00:36 | |
It's going to be very emotional. | 0:00:36 | 0:00:38 | |
..separated by time. | 0:00:38 | 0:00:41 | |
# Rap 'er to bank, me canny lad! # | 0:00:41 | 0:00:44 | |
Real lives reunited. | 0:00:46 | 0:00:48 | |
In today's programme... | 0:00:51 | 0:00:53 | |
from Britain to the battlefield. | 0:00:53 | 0:00:56 | |
One woman's mission to rescue warzone refugees. | 0:00:56 | 0:00:59 | |
Well, basically, I came in to bring medicines, but I found | 0:00:59 | 0:01:02 | |
there's a lot of sick children, wounded children, | 0:01:02 | 0:01:05 | |
in different villages around places that are almost completely cut off. | 0:01:05 | 0:01:09 | |
And they are being shelled daily. | 0:01:09 | 0:01:11 | |
Life saved, sight restored. | 0:01:11 | 0:01:13 | |
The girl who's waited 16 years to say "thank you". | 0:01:13 | 0:01:18 | |
You are an angel. Yes, you are. | 0:01:18 | 0:01:21 | |
I am so happy to see you. | 0:01:21 | 0:01:23 | |
And breaking news. | 0:01:23 | 0:01:24 | |
We have rather been invaded by some people who | 0:01:24 | 0:01:28 | |
we hope to be removing very shortly. | 0:01:28 | 0:01:30 | |
What will happen when presenter and protester meet again? | 0:01:34 | 0:01:38 | |
-No handcuffs this time, then? -Ah, wait and see. -OK! | 0:01:38 | 0:01:41 | |
# You'll remember me | 0:01:47 | 0:01:49 | |
# When the west wind moves | 0:01:49 | 0:01:52 | |
# Upon the fields of barley | 0:01:52 | 0:01:56 | |
# You'll forget the sun in his jealous sky | 0:01:56 | 0:02:01 | |
# As we walk in fields of gold... # | 0:02:01 | 0:02:03 | |
In the early '90s, the fall of communism in Eastern Europe | 0:02:08 | 0:02:12 | |
led to a series of vicious conflicts. | 0:02:12 | 0:02:15 | |
The former Yugoslavia split into six separate states, | 0:02:15 | 0:02:19 | |
with ethnic groups fighting each other for territory. | 0:02:19 | 0:02:23 | |
The war in Bosnia was especially brutal. | 0:02:23 | 0:02:26 | |
In this position, | 0:02:26 | 0:02:27 | |
the Bosnians are only 15 feet from their Croat enemies. | 0:02:27 | 0:02:30 | |
Everything they have suffered since the war started | 0:02:30 | 0:02:33 | |
has made one essential fact very clear - | 0:02:33 | 0:02:35 | |
if they are going to survive, it is down to them. | 0:02:35 | 0:02:38 | |
Nobody is going to come to the rescue. | 0:02:38 | 0:02:40 | |
When Sarajevo, home to a quarter of a million Muslims, | 0:02:40 | 0:02:44 | |
came under fierce attack from Serb militias, | 0:02:44 | 0:02:47 | |
the TV pictures outraged viewers around the world. | 0:02:47 | 0:02:51 | |
They included a young artist from Brighton named Sally Becker. | 0:02:51 | 0:02:55 | |
I saw a woman trying to cross the road in Sarajevo, the reporter | 0:02:55 | 0:03:00 | |
was talking about the fact that snipers were targeting the area. | 0:03:00 | 0:03:03 | |
She was there with a child of about three years old | 0:03:03 | 0:03:07 | |
and she suddenly turned to the camera and she said, | 0:03:07 | 0:03:10 | |
"Why is no-one helping us?" | 0:03:10 | 0:03:12 | |
And it touched a chord with me and I just thought, | 0:03:12 | 0:03:14 | |
"Yeah, why isn't anyone helping her?" | 0:03:14 | 0:03:16 | |
Sally was 31, with no experience of delivering humanitarian aid. | 0:03:16 | 0:03:22 | |
But she wanted to help. | 0:03:22 | 0:03:23 | |
She contacted the United Nations | 0:03:23 | 0:03:25 | |
and later that year advertised for volunteers who'd be willing | 0:03:25 | 0:03:29 | |
to join a convoy taking medical equipment to Bosnia. | 0:03:29 | 0:03:33 | |
I thought, "Well, OK, you know, the opportunity's there, | 0:03:33 | 0:03:36 | |
"I'm up for it, I'll go and do it." | 0:03:36 | 0:03:38 | |
It was just the chance to take part in something worthwhile. | 0:03:38 | 0:03:42 | |
We had a new ambulance which we were given to take but were told | 0:03:42 | 0:03:45 | |
not to come back with bullet holes in it by the chief. | 0:03:45 | 0:03:50 | |
Thanks to an intensive media campaign, | 0:03:50 | 0:03:53 | |
Sally's ambitious plan caught the public's imagination. | 0:03:53 | 0:03:56 | |
In just six weeks, she found over 250 volunteers, | 0:03:56 | 0:04:00 | |
plus a convoy of 57 ambulances and trucks. | 0:04:00 | 0:04:04 | |
The aim - to get aid to the war-torn Bosnian city of Mostar. | 0:04:04 | 0:04:08 | |
On the 10th of December, 1993, which was World Human Rights Day, | 0:04:08 | 0:04:13 | |
we all gathered on Brighton seafront. | 0:04:13 | 0:04:16 | |
There were 250-something volunteers. | 0:04:16 | 0:04:20 | |
It was one of the most amazing days of my life. | 0:04:20 | 0:04:23 | |
But soon after the convoy set off, problems developed. | 0:04:25 | 0:04:29 | |
Vehicles broke down, | 0:04:29 | 0:04:31 | |
arguments broke out, Sally's own inexperience led to criticism. | 0:04:31 | 0:04:36 | |
Some of the vehicles had obviously been overloaded, | 0:04:36 | 0:04:39 | |
so there was a big kerfuffle, a big airing of views | 0:04:39 | 0:04:42 | |
about how well the convoy had been organised, this, that and the other. | 0:04:42 | 0:04:45 | |
All of it was basically down to people that hadn't prepared properly | 0:04:45 | 0:04:49 | |
and thought it through. | 0:04:49 | 0:04:51 | |
Of course, I'm no professional. | 0:04:51 | 0:04:54 | |
I had never led such a big convoy before, | 0:04:54 | 0:04:57 | |
and there were all kinds of hold-ups and problems en route. | 0:04:57 | 0:05:01 | |
But when they finally arrived in Mostar, | 0:05:01 | 0:05:03 | |
those problems were quickly forgotten. | 0:05:03 | 0:05:06 | |
They found civilians in desperate need of food, | 0:05:06 | 0:05:09 | |
blankets and medicines. | 0:05:09 | 0:05:10 | |
And they found themselves in constant danger. | 0:05:10 | 0:05:14 | |
Brian had a close shave with a sniper's bullet. | 0:05:14 | 0:05:17 | |
There was this "whht" noise as it went past. | 0:05:18 | 0:05:23 | |
Must've been within a few feet. | 0:05:23 | 0:05:25 | |
And I instantly knew what it was - it was a round going past me. | 0:05:25 | 0:05:30 | |
Sally put herself in even greater jeopardy. | 0:05:30 | 0:05:33 | |
She travelled into the besieged east side of the city, | 0:05:33 | 0:05:37 | |
where the UN took her to 48 badly injured civilians. | 0:05:37 | 0:05:40 | |
She then took them out of the city | 0:05:40 | 0:05:42 | |
to her convoy waiting on the outskirts. | 0:05:42 | 0:05:46 | |
I was so relieved to get out in one piece, | 0:05:46 | 0:05:48 | |
and then suddenly, suddenly... | 0:05:48 | 0:05:52 | |
there was this circle of ambulances from Britain, | 0:05:52 | 0:05:57 | |
and the patients I had fought so hard for | 0:05:57 | 0:06:00 | |
were being carried from the UN vehicles into the ambulances | 0:06:00 | 0:06:03 | |
and I knew that at last they were safe. | 0:06:03 | 0:06:06 | |
And it was the most incredible, incredible moment. | 0:06:06 | 0:06:09 | |
The volunteers drove the casualties to an airport, | 0:06:09 | 0:06:12 | |
where they were flown away for urgent treatment. | 0:06:12 | 0:06:15 | |
48 lives saved, £1 million worth of medical aid delivered. | 0:06:15 | 0:06:20 | |
# I blame you for the moonlit sky | 0:06:20 | 0:06:25 | |
# And the dream that died with the eagles' flight... # | 0:06:25 | 0:06:31 | |
Sally's operation created worldwide headlines. | 0:06:31 | 0:06:34 | |
She was dubbed "the Angel of Mostar". | 0:06:34 | 0:06:37 | |
But she still insists that others should share the credit. | 0:06:37 | 0:06:41 | |
Without the volunteers, that mission would never have happened. | 0:06:41 | 0:06:44 | |
It couldn't have happened. | 0:06:44 | 0:06:46 | |
I couldn't possibly have gone to all those places, | 0:06:46 | 0:06:49 | |
I couldn't possibly have evacuated all those people. | 0:06:49 | 0:06:52 | |
The fact that so many people are alive today is thanks to them. | 0:06:52 | 0:06:57 | |
# Don't blame this sleeping satellite... # | 0:06:59 | 0:07:01 | |
The aid mission may not always have run smoothly, | 0:07:03 | 0:07:06 | |
but it ended successfully. | 0:07:06 | 0:07:08 | |
And more than two decades on, | 0:07:08 | 0:07:10 | |
Sally is meeting up with some of her fellow aid workers. | 0:07:10 | 0:07:13 | |
Well, having never really seen any of the volunteers since, | 0:07:13 | 0:07:18 | |
I've never known how they felt about the mission. | 0:07:18 | 0:07:22 | |
I think a lot could have been done better, and I agree. | 0:07:22 | 0:07:26 | |
I'm the first to criticise myself. | 0:07:26 | 0:07:28 | |
I was a terrible convoy leader, | 0:07:28 | 0:07:31 | |
but hopefully they realise that | 0:07:31 | 0:07:34 | |
I was just one person trying to do something. | 0:07:34 | 0:07:37 | |
The reunion is taking place at the Brighton hotel | 0:07:37 | 0:07:40 | |
from where the convoy set off in 1993. | 0:07:40 | 0:07:43 | |
'Now I'm feeling nervous.' | 0:07:44 | 0:07:46 | |
I wish they'd hurry up! | 0:07:46 | 0:07:48 | |
Hope I'll know them. | 0:07:48 | 0:07:50 | |
But the question is, will they recognise me, 21 years on? | 0:07:52 | 0:07:56 | |
Ex-volunteer Andy certainly does... | 0:07:56 | 0:07:59 | |
-Hello, Sally. -Hello! | 0:07:59 | 0:08:02 | |
God, it's so nice to see you. | 0:08:02 | 0:08:04 | |
..as does former ambulance man, Brian... | 0:08:04 | 0:08:06 | |
Hello, Sally. | 0:08:06 | 0:08:08 | |
-God! -Oh, dear! | 0:08:08 | 0:08:11 | |
..along with a third volunteer, Gordon Bushell. | 0:08:11 | 0:08:14 | |
In the years since the mission, he's developed severe osteoporosis. | 0:08:14 | 0:08:19 | |
-Wow. -Hello, you. | 0:08:19 | 0:08:20 | |
I've got so many memories from that week we spent together. | 0:08:20 | 0:08:24 | |
When the convoy set off in 1993, | 0:08:24 | 0:08:27 | |
Gordon was interviewed by a TV news crew. | 0:08:27 | 0:08:29 | |
'All of these guys, and the women, too, obviously, | 0:08:29 | 0:08:32 | |
'are doing this job unpaid. Let's start with...' | 0:08:32 | 0:08:34 | |
Look how different I am now! | 0:08:34 | 0:08:36 | |
You were losing your hair there! | 0:08:36 | 0:08:38 | |
I know I was losing my hair there, yeah, but... | 0:08:38 | 0:08:41 | |
I've got two children at home that we've bought presents for. | 0:08:41 | 0:08:44 | |
They're going to have a real good Christmas when we get back. | 0:08:44 | 0:08:47 | |
'They're not going to have Christmas at all in Bosnia, so we're going to help them.' | 0:08:47 | 0:08:50 | |
The only one that doesn't look any different is Sally! | 0:08:50 | 0:08:52 | |
That's not what my daughter says. | 0:08:52 | 0:08:54 | |
PRESENTER: 'No chance of evacuation.' | 0:08:54 | 0:08:56 | |
Wow, I've never seen this. | 0:08:56 | 0:08:58 | |
That's the convoy coming back with our casualties, yeah. | 0:08:58 | 0:09:01 | |
This is where it looked like a wagon train thing in a Western, wasn't it? | 0:09:01 | 0:09:06 | |
-All in a circle. -All parked in the compound, yeah. | 0:09:06 | 0:09:09 | |
'..In Bosnia as soon as possible.' | 0:09:09 | 0:09:11 | |
-Were you pleased with what we achieved out there? -Of course. | 0:09:11 | 0:09:14 | |
-Yeah? -Of course. You know... | 0:09:14 | 0:09:16 | |
..I've never forgotten it, and it spurred me on to do so much more. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:23 | |
I'm so grateful that you guys joined me. | 0:09:23 | 0:09:26 | |
Wow. | 0:09:26 | 0:09:28 | |
Can only say thank you for putting that appeal out. | 0:09:28 | 0:09:31 | |
You know, we were so grateful | 0:09:31 | 0:09:33 | |
to be able to be part of the team that went out there. | 0:09:33 | 0:09:36 | |
The disagreements that dogged the mission are long forgotten. | 0:09:36 | 0:09:41 | |
What remains is a sense of pride at what they achieved. | 0:09:41 | 0:09:45 | |
Can I ask you something? | 0:09:45 | 0:09:47 | |
If you were all well... | 0:09:47 | 0:09:49 | |
and I said to you, "Right, we're going to do it again..." | 0:09:49 | 0:09:53 | |
-I'd jump at the chance. -Would you? -I would. -We'd go. | 0:09:53 | 0:09:55 | |
I thought you might say that. | 0:09:55 | 0:09:57 | |
'It was quite a big mission and it took its toll, no doubt.' | 0:09:57 | 0:10:01 | |
And none of them really knew if they'd even get back safely. | 0:10:02 | 0:10:06 | |
So, to say they would take that risk again is really something. | 0:10:06 | 0:10:10 | |
As for Sally, she did take that risk again, | 0:10:14 | 0:10:17 | |
this time in war-ravaged Kosovo. | 0:10:17 | 0:10:19 | |
Coming up, the girl she evacuated to safety | 0:10:22 | 0:10:25 | |
finally gets the chance to thank her. | 0:10:25 | 0:10:27 | |
It's so lovely to see you. | 0:10:31 | 0:10:33 | |
-It's lovely to see you too. -You look amazing! | 0:10:33 | 0:10:35 | |
# Don't you tell me no Don't you tell me no | 0:10:41 | 0:10:43 | |
# Soul, I hear you calling | 0:10:43 | 0:10:49 | |
# Oh, baby, please | 0:10:49 | 0:10:54 | |
# Give a little respect to me... # | 0:10:54 | 0:11:03 | |
1988 - the year that gay pride turned into gay anger. | 0:11:07 | 0:11:12 | |
The target of their rage - Clause 28 of the new Local Government Act. | 0:11:14 | 0:11:18 | |
Ministers introduced it after newspaper claims that some schools | 0:11:18 | 0:11:23 | |
were promoting same-sex relationships. | 0:11:23 | 0:11:26 | |
Opponents said it amounted to discrimination. | 0:11:26 | 0:11:30 | |
The last time legislation like this was passed was exactly 50 years ago, | 0:11:30 | 0:11:34 | |
and that was in Hitler's Third Reich. | 0:11:34 | 0:11:36 | |
On May 23rd, Booan Temple joined other activists on a march | 0:11:36 | 0:11:41 | |
through central London. | 0:11:41 | 0:11:42 | |
As the marchers arrived at Downing Street, | 0:11:42 | 0:11:44 | |
the police deployed to stop them entering. | 0:11:44 | 0:11:48 | |
They knew the demo was likely to create headlines. | 0:11:48 | 0:11:51 | |
Afterwards, they hatched a plot that would guarantee it. | 0:11:51 | 0:11:55 | |
Four, three, two, one... | 0:11:55 | 0:11:59 | |
We made a decision to invade the BBC News | 0:11:59 | 0:12:02 | |
because we really felt we needed to maximise the publicity | 0:12:02 | 0:12:06 | |
we could get for this hideous bit of legislation being enacted. | 0:12:06 | 0:12:11 | |
Because it was the day that it became law. | 0:12:11 | 0:12:13 | |
Just before 6pm, | 0:12:13 | 0:12:15 | |
Booan and three others sneaked into BBC Television's west London HQ. | 0:12:15 | 0:12:20 | |
They then found their way to the news studio, | 0:12:20 | 0:12:23 | |
where presenters Sue Lawley and Nicholas Witchell | 0:12:23 | 0:12:26 | |
were preparing for that evening's bulletin. | 0:12:26 | 0:12:28 | |
Five, four, three... | 0:12:28 | 0:12:29 | |
There was the light above the door and we knew it would go green when it went on air, | 0:12:29 | 0:12:33 | |
so we waited for that and then barged in. | 0:12:33 | 0:12:36 | |
Good evening, the headlines at six o'clock. | 0:12:38 | 0:12:40 | |
-WOMAN IN BACKGROUND: Stop Section 28! -In the House of Lords, | 0:12:40 | 0:12:43 | |
a vote is taking place now on a challenge to the poll tax. | 0:12:43 | 0:12:45 | |
Stop Section 28! | 0:12:45 | 0:12:46 | |
For that instant, you wonder, "Well, what is happening?" | 0:12:46 | 0:12:49 | |
Are they a threat? | 0:12:49 | 0:12:51 | |
And I do apologise if you're hearing quite a lot of noise in the studio at the moment. | 0:12:51 | 0:12:54 | |
I am afraid that we have rather been invaded. | 0:12:54 | 0:12:58 | |
There were so many people in there and they all went completely bonkers. | 0:12:58 | 0:13:02 | |
-MUFFLED SHOUTING -Peers have been discussing the community charge, or poll tax. | 0:13:02 | 0:13:06 | |
"It's Nicholas Witchell in the Six O'Clock News studio. The studio has been invaded." | 0:13:06 | 0:13:09 | |
That prospect has already brought warnings... | 0:13:09 | 0:13:12 | |
"Send security immediately." | 0:13:12 | 0:13:14 | |
Six million viewers couldn't believe their eyes. | 0:13:14 | 0:13:18 | |
Nor, up in the studio gallery, could associate producer, | 0:13:18 | 0:13:21 | |
Grant Clelland. | 0:13:21 | 0:13:23 | |
I ran into the studio and I could see that one of the protesters | 0:13:23 | 0:13:26 | |
had chained herself behind the desk | 0:13:26 | 0:13:27 | |
and another had chained herself to the camera, and I could see that | 0:13:27 | 0:13:30 | |
Nick was very much trying to get the show on the road. | 0:13:30 | 0:13:34 | |
I was rugby-tackled and hit the ground with a great crash, | 0:13:34 | 0:13:37 | |
because I think it was kind of like no mercy for them. | 0:13:37 | 0:13:40 | |
They didn't know what was happening, | 0:13:40 | 0:13:42 | |
and so their response was quite robust. | 0:13:42 | 0:13:45 | |
I lowered myself onto her and sat on her, | 0:13:45 | 0:13:48 | |
and tried to restrain her by putting my hand over her mouth. | 0:13:48 | 0:13:54 | |
And then she was going, "Mm, mm, mm, mm!" | 0:13:54 | 0:13:57 | |
And I think, possibly, I had my hand so firmly over her mouth | 0:13:57 | 0:14:00 | |
that she was actually, by that stage, having difficulty breathing. | 0:14:00 | 0:14:03 | |
I don't know. So, you know, I sort of released my grip. | 0:14:03 | 0:14:06 | |
Luckily, I think, within a few minutes, | 0:14:06 | 0:14:08 | |
some sort of very large BBC security men arrived and unbolted them | 0:14:08 | 0:14:13 | |
from the camera, wherever they had attached themselves to. | 0:14:13 | 0:14:16 | |
'Led away, the women repeated their protest.' | 0:14:16 | 0:14:18 | |
We're protesting about rights for lesbian and gay people. | 0:14:18 | 0:14:21 | |
As the protesters were removed, the presenters continued broadcasting. | 0:14:21 | 0:14:25 | |
That's it from us. | 0:14:25 | 0:14:27 | |
Michael Buerk and Philip Hayton will be here at nine o'clock. | 0:14:27 | 0:14:29 | |
Nicholas and I - just us - will be here tomorrow. Good night. | 0:14:29 | 0:14:33 | |
The protestors were arrested but the BBC declined to press charges. | 0:14:34 | 0:14:39 | |
Once released, they complimented Sue Lawley on her calm response. | 0:14:39 | 0:14:45 | |
She was...extremely cool, that woman, eh? | 0:14:45 | 0:14:47 | |
-Yeah, she was. -Listening to Desert Island Discs on Sunday. | 0:14:47 | 0:14:50 | |
The activists got the publicity they'd sought, | 0:14:50 | 0:14:53 | |
but not necessarily the headlines. | 0:14:53 | 0:14:56 | |
The press response very much focused in on the idea of "loony lezzies". | 0:14:56 | 0:15:03 | |
Memorably, in the Daily Mirror, "Beeb man sits on lesbian." | 0:15:03 | 0:15:07 | |
Which was, I suppose, quite an unusual headline, really. | 0:15:07 | 0:15:10 | |
In the intervening years, Sue Lawley has left the BBC, | 0:15:10 | 0:15:14 | |
Nick Witchell has travelled the world | 0:15:14 | 0:15:16 | |
as the BBC's Royal Correspondent, | 0:15:16 | 0:15:18 | |
and Booan has become a barrister. | 0:15:18 | 0:15:22 | |
Today, she's planning to call on Nick again, | 0:15:22 | 0:15:24 | |
only this time, she's been invited. | 0:15:24 | 0:15:26 | |
SHE CHUCKLES | 0:15:26 | 0:15:28 | |
I often say that if I'm ever remembered for anything in the BBC, | 0:15:28 | 0:15:31 | |
it will either be as the man who sat on that lady protester | 0:15:31 | 0:15:34 | |
on the Six O'Clock News all those years ago | 0:15:34 | 0:15:36 | |
or as the man who was called "that awful man" by Prince Charles | 0:15:36 | 0:15:39 | |
on an icy ski slope in Klosters. | 0:15:39 | 0:15:41 | |
# Maybe I didn't treat you | 0:15:43 | 0:15:46 | |
# Quite as good as I should... # | 0:15:46 | 0:15:49 | |
I am wearing the T-shirt that I wore in 1988 | 0:15:49 | 0:15:52 | |
so that Nick Witchell can recognise me. | 0:15:52 | 0:15:54 | |
# I never took the time | 0:15:54 | 0:15:57 | |
# You were always on my mind... # | 0:15:57 | 0:16:01 | |
I'm looking forward to just hearing how it was | 0:16:01 | 0:16:05 | |
that this small moment in television news history was planned, | 0:16:05 | 0:16:10 | |
how it came about, how it was from their perspective. | 0:16:10 | 0:16:16 | |
My view of him is somewhat clouded by his behaviour on the day, | 0:16:16 | 0:16:20 | |
and I am just hoping that he feels... | 0:16:20 | 0:16:23 | |
a bit calmer. | 0:16:23 | 0:16:25 | |
SHE LAUGHS | 0:16:25 | 0:16:27 | |
-We meet again! -Hello. -Hello. Fancy meeting you here. -How nice... | 0:16:27 | 0:16:31 | |
-Here you are at the BBC again! -I know. | 0:16:31 | 0:16:33 | |
-But in a different circumstance. -No handcuffs this time, then? | 0:16:33 | 0:16:36 | |
-Ah, wait and see! -OK! | 0:16:36 | 0:16:38 | |
Not going to chain yourself to the table or anything, no? | 0:16:38 | 0:16:40 | |
-No, those days are gone. -It is really nice to meet you, actually. | 0:16:40 | 0:16:43 | |
Isn't it? It's fascinating. | 0:16:43 | 0:16:45 | |
Are you the person I sat on? | 0:16:45 | 0:16:47 | |
Thankfully not. I'm glad I wasn't. | 0:16:47 | 0:16:49 | |
What happened to her, do you know? | 0:16:49 | 0:16:51 | |
I know she was, erm, quite distressed at being sat on. | 0:16:51 | 0:16:55 | |
She was very upset about it. | 0:16:55 | 0:16:56 | |
Well, if she's watching, or if you do subsequently get in touch | 0:16:56 | 0:16:59 | |
with her, please apologise to her. | 0:16:59 | 0:17:01 | |
-Yeah. -If, in the heat of the moment, she was distressed... | 0:17:01 | 0:17:04 | |
I'm sorry if that happened to her. | 0:17:04 | 0:17:06 | |
No, that's absolutely... Apology taken, thank you. | 0:17:06 | 0:17:08 | |
-And I do apologise if... -Throughout the studio invasion, | 0:17:08 | 0:17:11 | |
the presenters had to appear as calm as possible. | 0:17:11 | 0:17:14 | |
Behind the scenes, there was panic. | 0:17:14 | 0:17:17 | |
Hello, how are you? | 0:17:17 | 0:17:19 | |
Grant, who's joining today's reunion, was in the thick of it. | 0:17:19 | 0:17:23 | |
-Were you in the gallery? -I was in the gallery, yes. | 0:17:23 | 0:17:25 | |
-Was that you swearing? -No, that was... I'd never do that, no. | 0:17:25 | 0:17:28 | |
Somebody did, though, and the evidence has been preserved. | 0:17:28 | 0:17:33 | |
Grant has a recording that Booan has never heard before. | 0:17:33 | 0:17:36 | |
Yeah, brief glimpse of one protester. | 0:17:46 | 0:17:48 | |
'Stop Section 28!' | 0:17:48 | 0:17:50 | |
-"Stop Clause 28"? -Yeah. | 0:17:50 | 0:17:52 | |
'Tory rebels have said the tax...' | 0:17:52 | 0:17:55 | |
-Yeah, "Mm, mm, mm, mm!" -Yes, naughty. | 0:17:55 | 0:17:58 | |
She got one "Stop Section 28" out. | 0:17:58 | 0:18:01 | |
'We do apologise... | 0:18:01 | 0:18:03 | |
'I am afraid that we have rather been invaded by some people | 0:18:03 | 0:18:07 | |
'who we want to be removing very shortly.' | 0:18:07 | 0:18:09 | |
-One of the classic lines in TV - "We've been rather invaded by some people." -Yes, "rather been invaded". | 0:18:09 | 0:18:14 | |
Bless her, Sue did such a fantastic job. | 0:18:14 | 0:18:16 | |
-Well, well, well... -26 years. -26 years ago. -And look at us now. -Yeah! | 0:18:16 | 0:18:21 | |
Clause 28 was later repealed. | 0:18:21 | 0:18:23 | |
No-one was ever prosecuted as a result of it. | 0:18:23 | 0:18:27 | |
But those who opposed it still believe they were right. | 0:18:27 | 0:18:30 | |
The reason why we chose to take such a risk, actually - | 0:18:30 | 0:18:35 | |
because, potentially, we could have faced quite serious charges | 0:18:35 | 0:18:39 | |
had the BBC chosen to press them - | 0:18:39 | 0:18:40 | |
was the seriousness and the extreme nature | 0:18:40 | 0:18:44 | |
of that piece of legislation, | 0:18:44 | 0:18:47 | |
which was just anti-everybody's civil rights | 0:18:47 | 0:18:49 | |
and civil liberties, actually. | 0:18:49 | 0:18:51 | |
It was a serious attack and that's why we made a serious response. | 0:18:51 | 0:18:55 | |
Yeah, it was remarkably well-planned, I'd have to say. | 0:18:55 | 0:18:59 | |
Mm, thank you very much! | 0:18:59 | 0:19:01 | |
It has been intriguing meeting you. | 0:19:01 | 0:19:03 | |
If anyone else thinks that they want to try it again, | 0:19:03 | 0:19:06 | |
they should be aware that the security here is extremely tight | 0:19:06 | 0:19:09 | |
and extremely good, but it has been fascinating. | 0:19:09 | 0:19:12 | |
They can contact me and find out! No, no, I'm joking. | 0:19:12 | 0:19:15 | |
The BBC's old Shepherd's Bush studios have now closed. | 0:19:15 | 0:19:20 | |
Today, the news comes from New Broadcasting House. | 0:19:20 | 0:19:23 | |
Nick's arranged a visit for Booan. A scheduled one, this time. | 0:19:23 | 0:19:28 | |
You never quite know what to expect in a situation like this, | 0:19:28 | 0:19:32 | |
and given that we met in pretty unusual circumstances 26 years ago, | 0:19:32 | 0:19:37 | |
it was really nice to meet her. | 0:19:37 | 0:19:39 | |
Well, I hope it has been a pleasant, rewarding return. | 0:19:39 | 0:19:42 | |
-It has been a pleasure to meet you. -I'm glad that I've been invited. | 0:19:42 | 0:19:46 | |
'The big thing is that I have been invited back by the BBC, | 0:19:46 | 0:19:50 | |
'so, you know, 26 years ago,' | 0:19:50 | 0:19:53 | |
this country was extremely homophobic and it is a lot, lot less now. | 0:19:53 | 0:19:57 | |
'And the fact that Nick and I have had an interesting conversation | 0:19:57 | 0:20:01 | |
'and shared our experiences' | 0:20:01 | 0:20:03 | |
is part of the proof of that positive change. | 0:20:03 | 0:20:07 | |
By 1998, fighting in the former Yugoslavia had spilled into Kosovo, | 0:20:15 | 0:20:20 | |
where Serb nationalists were attacking ethnic Albanians. | 0:20:20 | 0:20:25 | |
Thousands were killed or driven from their homes. | 0:20:25 | 0:20:29 | |
Volunteer aid worker Sally Becker had achieved fame for her relief | 0:20:29 | 0:20:33 | |
efforts in Bosnia five years earlier. | 0:20:33 | 0:20:35 | |
Now, she was on a new mission - filmed by a documentary crew - | 0:20:35 | 0:20:39 | |
to help people in besieged villages. | 0:20:39 | 0:20:42 | |
Well, basically, I came in to bring medicines, | 0:20:43 | 0:20:45 | |
but I found there's a lot of sick children, wounded children, | 0:20:45 | 0:20:48 | |
in different villages around places that are almost completely cut off. | 0:20:48 | 0:20:53 | |
And they are being shelled daily. | 0:20:53 | 0:20:55 | |
They knew that the villages were going to be overrun very soon. | 0:20:55 | 0:20:58 | |
They were already surrounded | 0:20:58 | 0:21:00 | |
and they had been hit by countless shells. | 0:21:00 | 0:21:03 | |
Staying put meant the locals faced a potential massacre. | 0:21:04 | 0:21:09 | |
A number of families asked Sally to lead them | 0:21:09 | 0:21:12 | |
across the mountains to the safety of Albania. | 0:21:12 | 0:21:15 | |
It was very, very steep in parts. | 0:21:17 | 0:21:21 | |
At times, we would carry the children | 0:21:21 | 0:21:23 | |
because the mule couldn't keep its footing. | 0:21:23 | 0:21:26 | |
It was really hard. | 0:21:26 | 0:21:29 | |
Hard and dangerous - Serb paramilitaries were everywhere. | 0:21:29 | 0:21:33 | |
But Sally pressed on. | 0:21:33 | 0:21:35 | |
Among those she led on the trek was three-year-old Marigona Krasniqi, | 0:21:35 | 0:21:40 | |
who was suffering from severe cataracts | 0:21:40 | 0:21:42 | |
and on the verge of blindness. | 0:21:42 | 0:21:45 | |
She was there to help many people. | 0:21:45 | 0:21:47 | |
She was helping many people there and, yeah, one of them, it's me. | 0:21:47 | 0:21:51 | |
With the border, and safety, just a few miles away, Sally | 0:21:51 | 0:21:56 | |
and the refugees suddenly came under attack from Serb paramilitaries. | 0:21:56 | 0:22:00 | |
Marigona and her mother ran for their lives. | 0:22:00 | 0:22:03 | |
RAPID GUNFIRE | 0:22:03 | 0:22:06 | |
You're going to die. You knew that, "I'm going to die now." | 0:22:06 | 0:22:11 | |
I don't know where we got the strength to run away. | 0:22:11 | 0:22:16 | |
Sally shielded a family beneath a tree as the bullets hit | 0:22:16 | 0:22:20 | |
the branches above their heads. | 0:22:20 | 0:22:22 | |
The baby was screaming, "Mama, mama." It was just awful. | 0:22:22 | 0:22:26 | |
It was really, really bad. | 0:22:26 | 0:22:28 | |
After about an hour, I was so sure that we were just going to be killed, | 0:22:29 | 0:22:33 | |
I decided that I had to risk standing up and calling out. | 0:22:33 | 0:22:38 | |
And suddenly, it all went quiet. | 0:22:38 | 0:22:41 | |
By standing up, Sally showed the Serbs she was unarmed | 0:22:42 | 0:22:46 | |
and her gamble paid off. | 0:22:46 | 0:22:48 | |
They arrested her and the family but spared their lives. | 0:22:48 | 0:22:52 | |
I can say that she is an angel because we don't have many people | 0:22:52 | 0:22:56 | |
in this world that would die to help someone live. | 0:22:56 | 0:23:01 | |
She was there in war with us. She could have been dead now. | 0:23:01 | 0:23:06 | |
Sally was sentenced to 30 days in a Serbian prison. | 0:23:06 | 0:23:10 | |
Once released, she met up with a fellow aid worker and tried | 0:23:14 | 0:23:17 | |
to trace Marigona and the others from whom she'd been separated. | 0:23:17 | 0:23:22 | |
They found them in a refugee camp in Albania, | 0:23:22 | 0:23:25 | |
among thousands of Kosovans who'd been terrorised out of their homes. | 0:23:25 | 0:23:29 | |
I was amazed at how many children were in the camp | 0:23:29 | 0:23:32 | |
and the appalling conditions they were living in. | 0:23:32 | 0:23:34 | |
How people can live like that, it just makes you cry. And, actually, | 0:23:34 | 0:23:37 | |
I had tears in my eyes when I saw the way these people were living. | 0:23:37 | 0:23:40 | |
It was unbelievable. | 0:23:40 | 0:23:42 | |
Marigona was flown back to the UK, | 0:23:42 | 0:23:44 | |
where Sally found a top eye specialist | 0:23:44 | 0:23:47 | |
to perform the surgery needed to save the three-year-old's sight. | 0:23:47 | 0:23:52 | |
We had to act quickly because with Marigona at that age, | 0:23:52 | 0:23:54 | |
the cataracts can lead to permanent sight loss. | 0:23:54 | 0:23:58 | |
I wanted to help her regain her sight so she could really enjoy life. | 0:23:58 | 0:24:02 | |
The operation was a success - Marigona's sight was saved. | 0:24:06 | 0:24:10 | |
After recovering in Brighton, she returned to her family in Albania. | 0:24:11 | 0:24:16 | |
She hasn't seen Sally since then, but has always remained grateful | 0:24:16 | 0:24:20 | |
to the woman she calls her "guardian angel". | 0:24:20 | 0:24:24 | |
The gift that Sally gave me is seeing this beautiful world, | 0:24:24 | 0:24:28 | |
and living the life. | 0:24:28 | 0:24:30 | |
If I was blind, there wouldn't be a life like this, you know? | 0:24:30 | 0:24:36 | |
It would be... I would always have something stuck in my heart, like, | 0:24:36 | 0:24:40 | |
"How does this world look like and how does my family look like?" | 0:24:40 | 0:24:44 | |
16 years later, and Marigona is about to fulfil a long-held wish. | 0:24:48 | 0:24:54 | |
She's travelled to the UK to thank the woman who saved her life | 0:24:54 | 0:24:58 | |
and the surgeon who saved her sight. | 0:24:58 | 0:25:00 | |
It's really one of my dreams since I was a little girl | 0:25:01 | 0:25:04 | |
to meet Sally one day, and I'm very excited that it's today. | 0:25:04 | 0:25:09 | |
I am nervous, really, really nervous, | 0:25:11 | 0:25:14 | |
meeting her after so many years. | 0:25:14 | 0:25:16 | |
Excited, happy... | 0:25:16 | 0:25:18 | |
I don't know, I'm... Ooh, shaking! | 0:25:18 | 0:25:22 | |
'I'm looking forward to seeing her again, most of all because | 0:25:22 | 0:25:26 | |
'I know what she went through. | 0:25:26 | 0:25:28 | |
'And I need to be sure that, despite everything, she's come through it OK. | 0:25:28 | 0:25:35 | |
'That she can see and that she is happy and living a normal life.' | 0:25:35 | 0:25:40 | |
I'm nervous, really nervous. I can't wait till she comes in. | 0:25:41 | 0:25:45 | |
Hi! | 0:25:49 | 0:25:50 | |
It's so lovely to see you. | 0:26:07 | 0:26:09 | |
-It's lovely to see you too. -You look amazing. Don't be sad. | 0:26:09 | 0:26:13 | |
-You've grown. -Yeah! -Come and sit down. | 0:26:14 | 0:26:18 | |
-Oh, you look just the same. -Really? -Yes. You are an angel. Yes, you are. | 0:26:20 | 0:26:25 | |
-My daughter doesn't think so, I assure you! -Oh, you are. | 0:26:25 | 0:26:28 | |
There are two others who want to meet Marigona today - | 0:26:28 | 0:26:31 | |
surgeon, Christopher Liu, | 0:26:31 | 0:26:33 | |
who performed the operation on her eyes... | 0:26:33 | 0:26:35 | |
-Hi, Marigona. -Hi! | 0:26:35 | 0:26:37 | |
..and Sally's fellow aid worker, Mike, | 0:26:37 | 0:26:39 | |
who helped find her among the thousands of refugees. | 0:26:39 | 0:26:42 | |
He's brought along photos of her while she was inside the camp. | 0:26:42 | 0:26:46 | |
They were all there saying goodbye, all the people in the camp. | 0:26:47 | 0:26:50 | |
So brave. | 0:26:50 | 0:26:51 | |
I would really like to thank you all | 0:26:53 | 0:26:55 | |
for everything that you have done for me | 0:26:55 | 0:26:58 | |
and for helping everyone in Kosovo. | 0:26:58 | 0:27:01 | |
I am really, really thankful to you all. | 0:27:01 | 0:27:04 | |
That was amazing. Really, really amazing. | 0:27:06 | 0:27:09 | |
It's like one of my dreams just came true. It's amazing. | 0:27:09 | 0:27:12 | |
I am very, very happy. | 0:27:12 | 0:27:15 | |
Right... | 0:27:17 | 0:27:18 | |
There's another reason Marigona's surgeon is seeing her today. | 0:27:18 | 0:27:22 | |
It's been so long since the operation, | 0:27:22 | 0:27:24 | |
he wants to check if any new cataracts are developing. | 0:27:24 | 0:27:27 | |
Patients who have them in childhood | 0:27:31 | 0:27:33 | |
are at risk of glaucoma in later life. | 0:27:33 | 0:27:36 | |
Look straight, please. Left a little. | 0:27:38 | 0:27:41 | |
-Well done. Thank you very much. -Thank you. | 0:27:44 | 0:27:46 | |
It's good news. | 0:27:46 | 0:27:49 | |
The implant is in the right place. | 0:27:49 | 0:27:51 | |
It's been a success. | 0:27:51 | 0:27:53 | |
-Very well done. -Thank you. | 0:27:53 | 0:27:56 | |
Marigona's visit ends with a celebratory family dinner | 0:27:56 | 0:27:59 | |
at the surgeon's home. | 0:27:59 | 0:28:01 | |
In the 16 years since she was last here, the sick | 0:28:01 | 0:28:05 | |
and frightened child has matured into a healthy and happy adult. | 0:28:05 | 0:28:10 | |
It's hard to believe that that three-year-old little tomboy with sticky-out ears | 0:28:12 | 0:28:17 | |
is that poised, elegant, beautiful young woman that we've seen today. | 0:28:17 | 0:28:22 | |
You don't get days like this often in a lifetime. | 0:28:22 | 0:28:25 | |
She deserved to have a better life. She deserved to survive. | 0:28:25 | 0:28:29 | |
And she might not have, | 0:28:29 | 0:28:31 | |
so I just thank goodness that I was there that day. | 0:28:31 | 0:28:35 | |
It's the best day of my life, and I am sure I will always remember it. | 0:28:35 | 0:28:40 |