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From managing the land to defending it from invasion,

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from the more frivolous requirements of tourism

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to the sterner demands of religion -

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all these have left their mark

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on the buildings which have given character to the Eastern counties.

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This is terrific, isn't it?

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But some of our best buildings are under threat.

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Across the East of England,

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nearly 200 of them, from churches to wartime bunkers,

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are officially listed as at risk.

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In this programme, I'll visit some of the buildings

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and meet the campaigners fighting to save them.

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I'm ready. I'm going to give it all I can.

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What does it take to rescue a ruin?

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We've been at this for ten years now.

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It has all come together as something really rather special.

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Who foots the bill?

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The repair alone is likely to be 2-2.5 million.

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And which buildings should be saved?

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-One of our previous rectors did want to knock it down.

-Yeah?

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Conservation experts at English Heritage keep a list

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of buildings at risk.

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They're not all beautiful buildings.

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Sometimes it's the history which makes them important

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and inspires people to save them.

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This concrete block at Bawdsey in Suffolk is well worth rescuing.

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It looks a wreck today

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'but the people who worked here played a crucial role

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'in saving the country from invasion during World War II.'

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-This is such an important site, isn't it?

-It certainly is, really.

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It is the first of the many radar sites that were set up

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around the United Kingdom.

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-The Germans knew about radar.

-Yes.

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But they didn't know how it was going to be developed so effectively

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to take on the Luftwaffe. That's the point, isn't it?

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The secret was actually getting the information and coordinating it.

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By the end of the Second World War,

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there were over 250 radar stations around the coastline

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and the information from those

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was all fed into central locations,

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processed and then tactical decisions made by the command.

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While Britain's spotters and warning centres track the enemy planes,

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I watch the island's defences go into action.

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The outnumbered few fought back with more than blood, sweat and tears.

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They had Spitfires and Hurricanes in their aircraft arsenal,

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and a modest but well-trained force of airmen.

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Now, if you hadn't had this network of radar stations,

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what would have happened in the Battle of Britain?

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We would have lost the Battle of Britain.

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We just didn't have the aircraft, the pilots, the ground crew, the fuel

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to maintain what we call standing patrols,

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ie getting aircraft flying around the sky

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on the off chance they might run into the enemy.

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Outside the block stood four transmitter aerials,

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each more than 100 metres tall.

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After the station closed,

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they were demolished one by one.

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The last one came down in the year 2000,

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to be replaced by the coastguard aerial you see today.

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It was just too much for Mary Wain,

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and she joined the rescue campaign.

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That was where I was born, that was my home.

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'Like many restoration volunteers,

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'Mary has a personal reason for wanting to save the building.

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'During the war'

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her parents fell in love while serving at the radar base.

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But when she was growing up in Bawdsey,

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she knew nothing of their secret work.

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I do remember my mother saying

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-that the people on the other side of the river...

-Right.

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..thought the people who lived in Bawdsey had green heads.

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-Really? Because it was strange?

-So I think it was trying to say

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that it was secret and was strange.

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And how did you get involved in the trust to keep the memory

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of the radar station alive, apart from anything else?

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It really came about when they took the last radar tower down,

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and my mother always referred to the remaining tower at Bawdsey

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as her tower

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and I realised when that had been taken down

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that there was a chance that Bawdsey would just disappear,

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that nobody would be able to come here,

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and I just thought it was basically terrible

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because I knew that it was such a huge part of...

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actually, all of our lives, the radar story, and it all began here.

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Soon after Mary joined the campaign

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to save the transmitter block,

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it featured on the BBC's Restoration programme.

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This is marvellous, isn't it? This is a really defended staircase.

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Concrete retaining walls, concrete steps going down, protected.

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Fight your way through the forest...

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Viewers voted for the building

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they most wanted to be saved, and Bawdsey was runner-up.

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It just missed out on the £3 million prize

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that might have paid for the block to be fully restored.

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Instead, it spent the past ten years in limbo, while volunteers,

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including Mary, tried to turn their love for the building

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into the hard cash they need to safeguard its future as a museum.

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Oh, here we are.

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-We are back in the 1940s, aren't we?

-We certainly are.

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'They have already created a small display area inside,

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'but the whole place is crying out for restoration.'

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The equipment we can see here

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would have all been over towards where that back wall is.

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-The control desk literally just in front of us here...

-Right.

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And, of course, what they were doing here was literally saving the lives

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of our pilots and controlling everything that happened.

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They were sworn to secrecy under the Official Secrets Act,

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and even now, a lot of them really don't want to talk about it.

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The building itself starts that story off.

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We're all used to sort of big castles as being history,

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but we've produced a castle in the air with radar

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and this is a fundamental part of that.

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'Everyone who visits agrees this place is special

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'so why has it taken so long to save it?

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'A question for English Heritage,

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'who are working with the volunteers to devise a solution.'

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This building did well in the Restoration programmes ten years ago

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but it's been very difficult since, hasn't it,

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to get it lifted off the ground?

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It has. These are problem buildings.

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They're not that attractive, actually, when it really comes to it

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but they're a vital part of our nation's heritage

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and the national story.

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These are ugly. Compare this with a cathedral or something,

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that's easy for you to sort out, isn't it?

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Yes, but this is one of the most important buildings in Britain.

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This building went out of use decades ago, hasn't had a use since,

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so really what you need to do

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is to actually get that use back into the building

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and get people enjoying it,

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understanding it and following through the interpretation

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and the stories that these amazing buildings have.

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Sorting that out takes time and money.

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This summer, the volunteers took a huge step forward

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when they secured funding for a detailed plan

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to protect the building's future.

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The lottery have come forward and awarded nearly £100,000

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to get all the studies done to look at the fabric needs of the building

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plus what's actually required to get it functioning as a heritage site.

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'Nearly £100,000, and that's just to prepare a plan.

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'After that, the volunteers can bid for more cash

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'to complete the restoration, which would cost over £1 million.

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'But how do you put a price on a site like this?'

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We've been at this for ten years now, you know,

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it's totally voluntary.

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It has all come together as something really rather special.

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What do you think your mother would think if she knew you were going to

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devote all this time to keeping the building going?

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I think she would have been absolutely thrilled.

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The radar was hers, I think,

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though she was unable to tell us.

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It's one thing to turn a working building into a museum, but what

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do you do with a visitor attraction that no longer pulls in the crowds?

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From more than 100 years, Great Yarmouth was a magnet for tourists,

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drawn here by the fresh air

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and a wealth of extraordinary buildings designed

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to keep them entertained - and dry - when the sun failed to shine.

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In the words of the song, we do like to be beside the seaside,

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and for Great Yarmouth and the other resorts,

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the answer was obvious - give people a lot of sand,

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you've got the sea,

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and when the sun shines, everyone is happy.

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But what happens when it rains and the season is over?

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This was Yarmouth's solution - the Winter Gardens.

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It went up in 1903, paid for by the council

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and for decades it breathed life into the town.

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Over the years, it was reinvented many times,

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from elegant greenhouse to music venue, skating arena,

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and most recently, a children's adventure playground.

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But five years ago, it finally fell empty,

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beached on the shores of fashion.

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Well, this is one of the finest buildings in Great Yarmouth, and

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one of the most important historic buildings in Great Yarmouth as well.

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DOOR CREAKS AND JUDDERS

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Rough, isn't it, to get in? OK.

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-Quite a rickety building, isn't it?

-It is, yes.

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'The council used to lease it out to commercial operators,

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'but now they're just left to pick up the bills.'

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This part was tacked on, it's not part of the original structure.

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Right, and what we see

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as we come here... Oh, yes!

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This is terrific, isn't it?

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It's a wonderful building, isn't it?

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It is. It is a very special building.

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It's like a metal and glass cathedral.

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At the time, it was cutting edge. It was really state of the art

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because you had the technology

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of the metal, you had the glass, you had electric light,

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and so the building was flooded

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with electric lights.

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So when people came in here,

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they would be just thinking, "This is a new age,

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"a new age of glass and metal and the future beckons."

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It was the shock of the new.

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The porthole windows all the way around the building were lit

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and so it would have been to light out along the whole of the seafront,

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it would have been a beacon on the seafront.

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And for the town, this and other buildings

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make up an extraordinary collection, don't they?

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We have one of the finest collections

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of Edwardian entertainment architecture in the country

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and the Winter Gardens is the gem building.

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But for you, of course, it's problems, isn't it, for the council?

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This is just difficulty, difficulty, difficulty.

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Well, we've got a building which is eroding, it's deteriorating,

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it's unstable, probably dangerous,

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we haven't got a use for it,

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there are no end of problems associated with this building.

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Let's just have a look around.

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What's happened here?

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We're getting moisture coming into the building.

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It's swollen timber on the floor.

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-That's water coming up?

-That's water damage, yeah.

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And these are bits, what? These are bits of metal?

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Bits of metal that have fallen away from the metal structure.

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-That poor bird.

-Yes. Yeah.

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It looks like a starling.

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-Starling flying around here, can't get out.

-Yeah.

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There was a time when you thought it might blow down, was that...?

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There is an emergency evacuation plan

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whereby if the wind reaches a certain speed from a certain direction,

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there is a risk, potential risk that the building could blow over.

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We've taken expert advice on that,

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and we've slightly revised that, but there was a period a few years ago

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when there was an evacuation plan.

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'The council keep a weather eye on the building.

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'It's regularly checked over by structural surveyors.

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'Stuart Armitage has offered to give me a closer look at its problems.'

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I'm ready. I'm going to give it all I can.

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Can't say I feel totally safe.

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STUART LAUGHS

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So, we're going up into the lantern now,

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and I suppose this is really the most ingenious or adventurous

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part of the design.

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But it's also the most dangerous bit, isn't it?

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If this comes down, the whole building collapses.

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That's right, and indeed,

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in the past, this is why they've put in this secondary steel frame,

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really just to provide some additional support to the lantern.

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HAMMER TAPS ON METAL

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-I'm going to give this a bang.

-That's right.

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Now can I go into there?

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-That all seems solid, doesn't it?

-That is.

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-That's very bad.

-Yeah, very bad.

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And of course, not only what you can see but actually between

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those back-to-back pieces, there is a lot of rust in there as well.

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-So, we've carried out our inspection.

-Yes.

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And what's your conclusion?

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Well, I mean, the vast majority of what we can see is fine.

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So this building will not fall down?

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-No, but...

-Are you sure?

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Well, we've had some fairly good winds recently and it's still here,

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but the important thing is, it is gradually, slowly getting worse

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due to the corrosion all the time,

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so now is the time we have to step in and do something.

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No-one wants to let this building die.

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The problem for the Council is justifying the huge cost

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of restoring it with so many other calls on their money.

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But a solution is starting to take shape.

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It would link the rebirth of the Winter Gardens

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to a wider regeneration

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of Yarmouth's wonderful collection of old buildings.

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In a nearby cemetery,

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apprentices are being trained in traditional building skills.

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Some go on to work on other buildings in the town,

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including the old church of St George's.

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It was relaunched last year as a theatre after a £7 million refit,

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which created much-needed jobs for people in this area.

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The Winter Gardens are next on the council list.

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It won't be cheap, but the money spent here

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could ripple out to benefit the local economy.

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The council plan to turn the building back into

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a plant-filled winter garden,

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with help from the Royal Horticultural Society.

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We've been very lucky that the Royal Horticultural Society

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have been to visit the building, and have offered to provide us

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with advice on planting and all those sort of aspects of horticulture.

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-How much will it cost?

-Well, it will be millions.

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I think the repair alone is likely to be 2-2.5 million.

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Then the fit-outs, probably another million on top of that.

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And the joy, I suppose, of this, is that it's not being reinvented,

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it's going back to its original purpose.

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-That's wonderful, isn't it?

-That's right.

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You see so many other buildings which have to find new uses,

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not always appropriate.

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The beauty in this one is, it's going back to its original use.

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-The Winter Gardens lives on!

-It does, yeah.

-For ever, we hope.

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Some old buildings can be restored to their original purpose.

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But others on the English Heritage risk list need reinvention.

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What we're trying to come up with is new uses

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and exciting new uses for buildings.

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Preserving what's special,

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not only to do with their vital and important fabric,

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but really to look at what new uses might fit for certain buildings.

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That was the challenge for Stevens' Windmill

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at Burwell in Cambridgeshire.

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It closed for business around 60 years ago,

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but after limping along for years, it's about to reopen,

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not as a mill, but as a community centre and museum.

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And the inside of the mill, in terms of decoration and stuff,

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is all coming on nicely.

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Jane Phillimore is part of the team

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behind the rebirth of this village landmark.

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I was amazed the first time I saw it.

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Here it is, this building stuck in the middle of a 1970s estate,

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and it was pretty derelict. The outside had just fallen off.

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It was sort of rotten, and obviously, water was leaking in underneath.

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The fantail at the top wasn't turning.

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So you got the sense of history here,

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but just rotting away in a really terrible way.

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HAMMERING

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After it closed in the 1950s,

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developers bought the adjacent land to build houses.

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If it hadn't been a listed building protected by law,

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a bungalow would probably stand here today.

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Instead, a local trust bought the building for £5,

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and made it the centrepiece of a village museum.

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It cost almost nothing to buy,

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but it needed a lot more money to restore, and that's taken years.

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Local volunteers worked to stop the building falling into ruin,

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until last year, when they secured funding

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from the Heritage Lottery to return it to full working order.

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I wrote a lot of documentation.

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Probably about 22 different documents on various levels,

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from finance documents through to concept documents,

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and then submitted it to the Heritage Lottery Fund,

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and they then come, meet, assess,

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and see if it's what they can put their money into, and in the end,

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they went with us and they said they could, which was great.

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So they gave us £420,000.

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You need lots of plans.

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You need millwrights, architects' drawings,

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you needed assessment of the damage,

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and you need really also to sort of build up some programmes

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that will help the mill go into the future and sustain itself.

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The machinery inside has all been restored under the watchful eye

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of mill consultant Luke Bonwick,

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but the outside of the building still needs some finishing touches.

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Last summer, the fantail was repaired,

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and hoisted back into position.

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But what's a windmill without sails?

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In the millwright's workshop, there are sails,

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ready to be reinstated once the weather improves.

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By next year, the whole place will be shipshape, inside and out,

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the landmark building that Paul remembers visiting as a youngster.

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In 1948, when I was about 13,

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I used to help on the local farm in Horsley,

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and I brought corn here on the horse and cart.

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I wasn't strong enough

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to handle the sacks,

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so I backed the horse and cart to the ramp downstairs.

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The thing is, these men years ago

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used to put these sacks on their back and go up steps with them.

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They were barley, sacks of barley, two hundredweight.

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If you look at the old steps which we took out of this mill,

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you can see where the millers' hobnailed boots have worn

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the steps right down.

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Yeah, and European legislation wouldn't let you do that now.

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-Oh, crikey, no.

-25 kilo bags?

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You'd have a forklift truck or something like that.

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I remember the millers being part of the village, like the church.

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Some days you'd come up the village, you'd see the mill going,

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else you'd be across the heath, you could see the mill turn.

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In them days, the village would have been a funny old place

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without the windmill.

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Get the noose around the chain,

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it'll pull taut when we lift the sack right up through.

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In the old days, this mill was used as the hub of the community.

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People came here, they brought their grains up to be made into flour

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and to be able to be used.

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Our aim is to really sort of make this again a community hub,

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where that same sort of community involvement happens here,

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happens in this fantastic space that's been restored.

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Phew!

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It's blinking heavy.

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Only another 100 more to go! That's why they needed wind power.

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-The whole village has asked, when are the sails going up?

-Yeah.

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And, you know, the whole village is looking forward to it,

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-and it'll be good.

-Yeah.

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-And it might even grind a bag or two of flour.

-It might! It might.

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Yes.

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Successful restoration projects

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aren't simply a case of saving

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the fabric of the building. They are also about giving it a purpose.

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That's what saved Greyfriars Tower in King's Lynn,

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a finalist in the original Restoration programme.

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Thanks to a campaign by locals,

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the leaning tower was restored in 2009

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to create a visitor attraction.

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But the volunteers working to save this ruined church

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have invented a more radical solution

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to save their cherished landmark.

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There's something melancholic about seeing gravestones like this,

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pushed to one side, no longer linked to graves.

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There's not been a proper church on this site for 150 years,

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but all is certainly not lost.

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The old church of St Mary's in Clophill, Bedfordshire,

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is being given a new lease of life.

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Old St Mary's hasn't been a church since the 1850s.

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It became a ruin, and a target for vandals.

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It was the first in the country to be included

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on the English Heritage At Risk list,

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and the villagers were determined to bring it back to life.

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-It's a long way from the village, isn't it?

-It is, it is.

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It's about half a mile up the hill from the village,

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and that's part of the problem, or a considerable part of the problem,

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that we've had with the project, really,

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because, over the last 60 years,

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we've had an awful lot of antisocial and criminal activity

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because of the site's remoteness, from fly-tipping to vandalism,

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desecration of the church.

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For the people in the village and the wider community

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who have got relatives buried here, it's very upsetting,

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and fewer people feel comfortable coming to the site.

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We're hoping that we'll be finished, sort of, spring 2014,

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but it's quite a big project.

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You do seem to have a lot of work to do. There's no roof!

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We're not actually going to put the route back on again.

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We did look originally at completely restoring the monument,

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but looking at it over the last two or three years,

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we've come to the conclusion that was the wrong thing to do.

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So it's going to be, when it's finished,

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it's still going to be a ruin, but a picturesque ruin?

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Although there are no plans to turn the clock back

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for the whole building, the tower will be restored

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to make a viewing platform.

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But the main body of the church will remain open to the skies.

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Right, well, we're now inside the nave,

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but a bit of a mess, isn't it?

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Well, it is a mess, but it's so interesting.

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There have been so many changes to this church.

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Just come and have a look over here.

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How old is the church, do you think?

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Well, we believe, we've been told,

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that it probably dates from pre-Conquest times.

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Right, so that's before 1066.

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Before 1066. It's the thickness of the walls that indicate that.

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So, these great big walls, they were here before the Normans invaded?

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Probably.

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All right, now tell me other things.

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Well, this is one of probably 12 consecration marks.

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-This is the mark here?

-Yes.

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When the church was consecrated,

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the bishop would have anointed the church in 12 places,

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but if you notice, the top of the mark is missing.

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You can see, it could go round there, couldn't it?

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Well, it would have done. It would have been a perfect circle,

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which to me, would suggest that it was there

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before these windows were put in.

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So, the windows, the great big windows,

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-they wouldn't have been original, would they?

-Oh, no,

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-the walls wouldn't have withstood that.

-No.

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These were put in, probably in the middle of the 15th century.

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-Right.

-They were perpendicular windows.

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So we're seeing a thriving community over the centuries, aren't we?

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-Constantly changing the church.

-Absolutely.

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-Making it better.

-Yes.

-Because they wanted to show off,

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-and make sure that they had a fancy church.

-Absolutely.

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So, you're seeing the whole of British history is here,

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-isn't it?

-Yeah.

-Now, what if someone had suggested

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that it should be just knocked down, you know, why bother?

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Well, I'm afraid one of our previous rectors

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-did want to knock it down.

-Really?

-He thought that it was...

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..a magnet for antisocial behaviour, and that if it wasn't here,

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the antisocial behaviour would have stopped.

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But several of us didn't think that would actually happen.

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-No, and also, it's sort of shocking, isn't it?

-Well, we were shocked.

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We actually said, "No! Definitely not."

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-Yeah. And this, you feel, it's your church, isn't it?

-Yes.

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We've got 1,000 years of people

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walking up this hill to worship up here.

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Adrienne's enthusiasm is wonderful, but volunteers alone

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can't defend this site from the vandals who spoiled it in the past.

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Which is where these buildings come in.

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They're purpose-built lodges for visitors.

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They're part of the church restoration,

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but it's also hoped they will attract people

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walking the nearby Greensands Ridgeway,

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and having visitors here should help deter troublemakers.

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We've got a full-time warden that lives in the central accommodation.

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That's here, yeah.

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We have a reception area above it, an interpretation area,

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and then the two buildings on each side will be the accommodation

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lodges that people can rent.

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And these are environmentally friendly, aren't they?

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Yes, they're eco-lodges. The cedar will dull down over the years

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and become silvered to match the trees.

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Right. And it makes a bit of money?

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Yes, we don't think we'll be millionaires out of it,

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but we'll be able to afford to keep the warden here on a long-term basis.

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So, once you've got people always on the site, you can make sure that

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people don't mess around with the church, that vandals don't go back?

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It's a solution to maintaining the progress you make

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with stabilising the ruin.

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-That's a great solution, isn't it?

-Yeah, it's unique, yes.

-Yeah.

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English Heritage are delighted with the Clophill project,

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and the way it solves one of their most difficult problems.

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Tell me what you thought of this when you first saw it.

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I thought, a wonderful site, but what a set of problems here.

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Serious heritage crime, graffiti, vandalism, and for me,

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what should have been a straightforward conservation project

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has taken years to get to this point.

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But it was the first building to go onto the At Risk register.

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Absolutely. Number one in England,

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so really what we were looking for was some

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constructive and creative solutions here.

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-And that's why it took so long?

-That's right.

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It really took the community to come together

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and actually come up with those solutions,

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and for us at English Heritage to really work with them

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to actually arrive at what we're getting to today.

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So, this can be a sort of role model, can it?

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Well, it could absolutely because, really, sometimes,

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for the most problem buildings, the ones that have been on the register

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for years, which have defied easy conservation solutions,

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sometimes something really innovative and exciting

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needs to happen to make it a sustainable project.

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Looking at all these different sorts of buildings,

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I have been able to see how restoration involves

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much more than simply rebuilding.

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Money and lots of it is often of course vital,

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but you also need skill, enthusiasm, and passion.

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Yes, a love for old buildings.

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I've always loved it.

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It's such a beautiful place.

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What's particularly interested me in making these programmes

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is the way that restoration projects have changed in recent years.

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They've become more sophisticated.

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It's not just a matter of "save this church".

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Now they look at the whole site.

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In the restoration business, history doesn't just stand still,

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it's brought right up-to-date.

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