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At the start of the 20th century, | 0:00:02 | 0:00:03 | |
1.5 million of us worked as servants. | 0:00:03 | 0:00:06 | |
Astonishingly, that's more than worked in industries or on the land. | 0:00:06 | 0:00:12 | |
My great-grandmothers were servants, and coming from this background, | 0:00:13 | 0:00:16 | |
I want to find out about the reality of their lives. | 0:00:16 | 0:00:19 | |
Country houses like these simply wouldn't have been able to function | 0:00:20 | 0:00:24 | |
without a whole army of staff working away, above and below stairs. | 0:00:24 | 0:00:29 | |
When I come to places like this, my first instinct | 0:00:29 | 0:00:32 | |
isn't to go through the grand formal entrance, | 0:00:32 | 0:00:35 | |
but to find the servants' door and go in that way. | 0:00:35 | 0:00:37 | |
The story of service means a lot to me, | 0:00:39 | 0:00:41 | |
not just because it's about MY family. | 0:00:41 | 0:00:44 | |
It's actually the story of all our families. | 0:00:44 | 0:00:47 | |
In this series, I want to dispel the nostalgia we have around domestic service, | 0:00:50 | 0:00:54 | |
to reveal a darker, more complicated world. | 0:00:54 | 0:00:58 | |
-Who's this? -Me. | 0:00:59 | 0:01:01 | |
I weren't bad looking, were I? | 0:01:01 | 0:01:03 | |
No, you were very good looking. | 0:01:03 | 0:01:04 | |
-We were underdogs. We weren't on the same level as them. -Mm. | 0:01:04 | 0:01:09 | |
But we had to know our place. | 0:01:09 | 0:01:11 | |
Centuries of service have left behind a messy, emotional legacy, | 0:01:12 | 0:01:17 | |
an obsession with class, with its complex mix | 0:01:17 | 0:01:20 | |
of deference and resentment that's been passed down the generations, | 0:01:20 | 0:01:25 | |
an obsession that makes us, for better and worse, who we are. | 0:01:25 | 0:01:30 | |
We've ignored it for so long, but the history of service | 0:01:30 | 0:01:34 | |
is at the heart of what it means to be British. | 0:01:34 | 0:01:37 | |
In the first two episodes, | 0:01:38 | 0:01:40 | |
we've seen that the ideal servant was a Victorian invention, | 0:01:40 | 0:01:43 | |
a way of ordering society into its proper place. | 0:01:43 | 0:01:47 | |
And, ironically, at the very high point of service, | 0:01:47 | 0:01:50 | |
a new generation of forthright servants | 0:01:50 | 0:01:53 | |
directly attacked this ideal. | 0:01:53 | 0:01:56 | |
In this film, we witness the complete collapse of the old order, | 0:01:58 | 0:02:02 | |
leaving the master/servant relationship in turmoil, | 0:02:02 | 0:02:04 | |
and the very notion of service itself in crisis. | 0:02:04 | 0:02:09 | |
And our servants' hall is now a tearoom seating 100 people for tea. | 0:02:09 | 0:02:14 | |
And there's nowhere really for the chauffeur to sit. | 0:02:14 | 0:02:16 | |
It's the story of how, the moment they have a choice, | 0:02:18 | 0:02:21 | |
servants leave service, never to return. | 0:02:21 | 0:02:24 | |
It was from these large townhouses, bustling with servants, | 0:02:40 | 0:02:44 | |
that one of the most original and authentic servant voices emerged, | 0:02:44 | 0:02:48 | |
who told us straight and fearlessly what the world of service really meant. | 0:02:48 | 0:02:53 | |
One of the first lessons I learned in Brighton | 0:02:53 | 0:02:55 | |
is that there really are, as Disraeli said, two societies - rich and poor. | 0:02:55 | 0:03:00 | |
In 1922, a 15-year-old girl named Margaret Powell | 0:03:00 | 0:03:05 | |
came here to Hove in Sussex to work as a kitchen maid. | 0:03:05 | 0:03:09 | |
It was her first experience of live-in domestic service. | 0:03:09 | 0:03:13 | |
Years later, that experience would become the basis for her best-selling memoir "Below Stairs". | 0:03:13 | 0:03:18 | |
Read by millions, Margaret's memoir told us a raw, | 0:03:20 | 0:03:23 | |
uncensored story of domestic service. | 0:03:23 | 0:03:27 | |
Well, when that great door crashed on me in 1923, | 0:03:27 | 0:03:31 | |
I felt as though I'd gone into prison. | 0:03:31 | 0:03:34 | |
I felt as though I was there for life and would never see the light of day again. | 0:03:34 | 0:03:38 | |
And then I went into that dungeon of a kitchen and that enormous great kitchen range, | 0:03:38 | 0:03:43 | |
and was shown the list of kitchen maid's duties. | 0:03:43 | 0:03:46 | |
Anybody would think that it was for a week. | 0:03:46 | 0:03:49 | |
And when I discovered that one was expected to do all that work in a day, I nearly died. | 0:03:49 | 0:03:54 | |
Rise at 5.30, six on Sundays. | 0:03:54 | 0:03:57 | |
Light the range, clean the flues, polish the range, | 0:03:57 | 0:04:00 | |
polish the steel fender and all the firearms. | 0:04:00 | 0:04:03 | |
Rush up and do all the brass on the doors, clean all those great stone steps, | 0:04:03 | 0:04:07 | |
do all the boots and shoes, lay the servants' breakfast, wait on them. | 0:04:07 | 0:04:11 | |
Take your own out in the kitchen, not allowed to eat with the servants when you're a kitchen maid. | 0:04:11 | 0:04:15 | |
And so on and so on. | 0:04:15 | 0:04:16 | |
I felt as though the Dark Ages had returned, and I couldn't stand it. | 0:04:16 | 0:04:21 | |
And this was that dreary little basement, | 0:04:21 | 0:04:24 | |
and over here was that kitchen. | 0:04:24 | 0:04:26 | |
And all that I ever saw of life | 0:04:26 | 0:04:29 | |
was people's legs as they walked by there. | 0:04:29 | 0:04:32 | |
And then at night, when the day's work was done, and mighty late it was sometimes, | 0:04:32 | 0:04:36 | |
I would drag myself up all those 132 stairs | 0:04:36 | 0:04:41 | |
to that garret on the top. | 0:04:41 | 0:04:44 | |
The thing that stands out for me when reading her book | 0:04:44 | 0:04:47 | |
is not just the grim description of her daily duties, | 0:04:47 | 0:04:50 | |
but her fervent, deeply felt reaction to that vast gulf | 0:04:50 | 0:04:54 | |
that separated her from her employers, | 0:04:54 | 0:04:56 | |
a seemingly unbridgeable gulf of status and class. | 0:04:56 | 0:05:01 | |
"We always called them 'them'. | 0:05:04 | 0:05:06 | |
"Them was the enemy, them overworked us and them underpaid us. | 0:05:06 | 0:05:10 | |
"And to them servants were a race apart, a necessary evil." | 0:05:10 | 0:05:15 | |
What lay behind Margaret's no-holds-barred tale | 0:05:15 | 0:05:19 | |
was the great secret... | 0:05:19 | 0:05:21 | |
..That most servants had had enough of the appalling conditions, | 0:05:28 | 0:05:32 | |
bad treatment and low pay. | 0:05:32 | 0:05:35 | |
The injustices of the world of service simply made no sense any more in the 20th century. | 0:05:35 | 0:05:41 | |
So the moment they could leave, they did. | 0:05:41 | 0:05:44 | |
And the first hammer blow to the old order was, of course, | 0:05:44 | 0:05:48 | |
the First World War. | 0:05:48 | 0:05:50 | |
At the outbreak of war, the aristocracy and landed gentry, | 0:05:51 | 0:05:55 | |
including the Thellusson's of Brodsworth Hall, | 0:05:55 | 0:05:58 | |
owned four-fifths of the land in Britain and still controlled much of political life. | 0:05:58 | 0:06:03 | |
Brodsworth was used as a status symbol and a playground | 0:06:08 | 0:06:11 | |
by Charles and Constance Thellusson, | 0:06:11 | 0:06:13 | |
who led a privileged life, indulging their passions for lavish dinner parties and balls, | 0:06:13 | 0:06:18 | |
summer yacht tours around Scotland | 0:06:20 | 0:06:23 | |
and, importantly for Charles, shooting. | 0:06:23 | 0:06:27 | |
This social world was all made possible | 0:06:29 | 0:06:32 | |
through the work of 15 indoor servants and 89 estate workers. | 0:06:32 | 0:06:36 | |
This concealed door separates the world of the Thellussons from the world of their servants. | 0:06:39 | 0:06:44 | |
Both worlds were about to change. | 0:06:44 | 0:06:47 | |
At the start of the war, all eligible men were encouraged to enlist. | 0:06:53 | 0:06:57 | |
Country Life magazine called on its rich readers | 0:07:00 | 0:07:03 | |
to do their patriotic duty and release their men servants. | 0:07:03 | 0:07:08 | |
'Have you a butler, groom, chauffeur, gardener or gamekeeper serving you, | 0:07:10 | 0:07:15 | |
'who at this moment should be serving your King and country? | 0:07:15 | 0:07:19 | |
'Have you a man digging your garden who should be digging trenches? | 0:07:19 | 0:07:23 | |
'Have you a man preserving your game, who should be helping preserve your country? | 0:07:23 | 0:07:28 | |
'Would you sacrifice your personal convenience for your country's need? | 0:07:28 | 0:07:32 | |
'Ask your men to enlist today.' | 0:07:32 | 0:07:35 | |
And, of course, Charles Thellusson, | 0:07:38 | 0:07:41 | |
too old to enlist himself, allowed his men to go. | 0:07:41 | 0:07:45 | |
This is the butler's pantry. This is Mr Marshall's pantry. | 0:07:46 | 0:07:50 | |
One day at the beginning of the war a young servant called James Hunt | 0:07:50 | 0:07:54 | |
would have come in here to hand in his notice as he was going off to the trenches. | 0:07:54 | 0:07:58 | |
There's a photo of who we think is James here. | 0:07:58 | 0:08:03 | |
He was a footman. And here's Mr Marshall in the centre. | 0:08:03 | 0:08:06 | |
Over the next three years, all the healthy men left for the war, including Mr Marshall. | 0:08:08 | 0:08:13 | |
Thellusson may have lost most of his men servants | 0:08:14 | 0:08:17 | |
but he was not about to forego service. | 0:08:17 | 0:08:19 | |
Other solutions had to be found. | 0:08:19 | 0:08:22 | |
This picture is just one of a whole collection of photos | 0:08:22 | 0:08:26 | |
taken by one of the few men servants deemed not fit to serve - | 0:08:26 | 0:08:31 | |
valet and amateur photographer Alf Edwards. | 0:08:31 | 0:08:34 | |
It was during the war that Alf started courting his future wife, Caroline, then Brodsworth's cook. | 0:08:34 | 0:08:40 | |
-He was the valet. She was the new cook. -Yes. | 0:08:40 | 0:08:44 | |
-But their paths wouldn't necessarily cross. -No. | 0:08:44 | 0:08:46 | |
So how did they get together? | 0:08:46 | 0:08:48 | |
We're standing in the room where some of it happened, in the kitchen. | 0:08:48 | 0:08:52 | |
Alf had an established routine of bringing his prints | 0:08:52 | 0:08:56 | |
into this kitchen and hanging them up. | 0:08:56 | 0:08:58 | |
-So they'd all be hanging along here? -Presumably, on some sort of washing line or whatever they had, to dry. | 0:08:58 | 0:09:03 | |
But, of course, with Caroline being in the kitchen and him wandering in and out, they got talking. | 0:09:03 | 0:09:08 | |
Where was this taken? | 0:09:08 | 0:09:10 | |
We're not sure. We think it was taken somewhere on the estate | 0:09:10 | 0:09:13 | |
on a Sunday afternoon when they were courting. | 0:09:13 | 0:09:16 | |
We presume the dress, that beautiful red colour, was the real colour. | 0:09:16 | 0:09:19 | |
During their courtship here, | 0:09:19 | 0:09:21 | |
they spent a lot of time photographing each other. | 0:09:21 | 0:09:24 | |
And look at the tint on that, fantastic. | 0:09:24 | 0:09:27 | |
-He didn't go and fight in the First World War. -No. | 0:09:27 | 0:09:30 | |
Alf had consumption - we now called it tuberculosis - | 0:09:30 | 0:09:34 | |
and he was exempted from war service because of this. | 0:09:34 | 0:09:39 | |
The big impact on Alf was the huge number of jobs he had to do during the war | 0:09:39 | 0:09:44 | |
when he was in progressively worse and worse health. | 0:09:44 | 0:09:48 | |
Alf had been hired as a valet, but like for so many servants during the war, | 0:09:50 | 0:09:54 | |
his duties multiplied. | 0:09:54 | 0:09:57 | |
He now chauffeured and ran the gun-room. | 0:09:57 | 0:10:00 | |
Alf was good with guns. He's seen here loading for Thellusson. | 0:10:00 | 0:10:04 | |
Charles Thellusson was determined to maintain service standards at home, | 0:10:06 | 0:10:11 | |
on his estate and in his gamekeeping. | 0:10:11 | 0:10:14 | |
Maintaining the large team of beaters and keepers needed for shooting | 0:10:14 | 0:10:19 | |
was extremely difficult during the war, | 0:10:19 | 0:10:21 | |
as revealed in the game book, preserved in Brodsworth's archives. | 0:10:21 | 0:10:25 | |
Gamekeeping's a pretty highly skilled activity. | 0:10:28 | 0:10:31 | |
It was both highly skilled and very prestigious. | 0:10:31 | 0:10:33 | |
The gamekeepers were always amongst some of the highest paid | 0:10:33 | 0:10:36 | |
of the estate workforce, actually. | 0:10:36 | 0:10:38 | |
And, in fact, in the estate accounts we always see there's always a whole separate page. | 0:10:38 | 0:10:43 | |
It's almost like a separate department. I'll just show you. | 0:10:43 | 0:10:46 | |
And what does the war do to that expertise, would you say? | 0:10:46 | 0:10:49 | |
Well, firstly, as we know, several of the gamekeepers go off to war | 0:10:49 | 0:10:54 | |
and, in fact, two of them are recommended, of course, | 0:10:54 | 0:10:58 | |
as being stout, hearty fellows and good shots. | 0:10:58 | 0:11:01 | |
-So here comes the artillery. -I suppose they would be good shots! | 0:11:01 | 0:11:04 | |
-Yes! -And this battered looking book | 0:11:04 | 0:11:07 | |
is their record of all the game they shot. | 0:11:07 | 0:11:11 | |
It's the game book, which they kept detailed records of right from the 1860s. | 0:11:11 | 0:11:15 | |
Here, for example, in 1913. | 0:11:15 | 0:11:18 | |
This is a sort of typical year for them. | 0:11:18 | 0:11:20 | |
They're shooting... The tally here is 4,999 pheasants. | 0:11:20 | 0:11:24 | |
So that's 5,000 pheasants in the season running from September to January. | 0:11:24 | 0:11:28 | |
That's right. | 0:11:28 | 0:11:30 | |
When they include other things, such as the partridges and the hares and so on, | 0:11:30 | 0:11:35 | |
it's just under 8,000 items of game. | 0:11:35 | 0:11:37 | |
Although they carry on shooting into the First World War, | 0:11:37 | 0:11:41 | |
in 1916, half the number of pheasants, | 0:11:41 | 0:11:44 | |
and then there, half the total game. | 0:11:44 | 0:11:48 | |
And what happens in the following years? | 0:11:48 | 0:11:50 | |
-In 1918? -824. -Yeah. | 0:11:50 | 0:11:53 | |
-So by Brodsworth's standards that's very little. -Yes! | 0:11:53 | 0:11:55 | |
Older men and young boys filled gamekeeper roles | 0:11:57 | 0:12:01 | |
but, above all, female servants in country houses across Britain took on extra duties | 0:12:01 | 0:12:05 | |
as explained by Thellusson himself. | 0:12:05 | 0:12:08 | |
A wonderful article. | 0:12:08 | 0:12:10 | |
The Livestock Journal in 1916, | 0:12:10 | 0:12:12 | |
which eludes to how the war was hitting his entire estate workforce. | 0:12:12 | 0:12:18 | |
"Like all other estate owners the labour problem through the war | 0:12:18 | 0:12:21 | |
"has presented itself in acute form at Brodsworth. | 0:12:21 | 0:12:24 | |
"His agent is an officer in the army, his head gardener is just called up, | 0:12:24 | 0:12:27 | |
"three estate clerks have gone, the man in charge of the poultry is about to be superseded by a woman | 0:12:27 | 0:12:31 | |
"because the military claim him. | 0:12:31 | 0:12:33 | |
"And the Squire told us he has not a chauffeur left." | 0:12:33 | 0:12:36 | |
So the poultry farm is being managed by a woman. | 0:12:36 | 0:12:38 | |
This is just a photograph of the lady | 0:12:38 | 0:12:41 | |
who then had to take on her husband's role looking after the poultry. | 0:12:41 | 0:12:45 | |
-And you can see that it was pretty extensive. -Oh, yes! | 0:12:45 | 0:12:49 | |
It wasn't just any old poultry. | 0:12:49 | 0:12:52 | |
They were show poultry. I mean, this is just the most wonderful prize-winning cockerel. | 0:12:52 | 0:12:56 | |
So it was a serious business. Again, she would have been handling money | 0:12:56 | 0:12:59 | |
and dealing with commercial orders and all that kind of thing. | 0:12:59 | 0:13:03 | |
-Not just feeding the chickens then? -Not just feeding the chickens. No, it's a serious business. | 0:13:03 | 0:13:07 | |
Do we know her name? | 0:13:07 | 0:13:09 | |
-Yes, she was Mrs Foot. -Mrs Foot. | 0:13:09 | 0:13:11 | |
-Then after the war she stepped back? -Yeah, so it was a temporary... | 0:13:11 | 0:13:14 | |
-..Opportunity. -I think the genie was out the bottle there. Once... | 0:13:14 | 0:13:18 | |
Many women were happy to go back to doing what they had done before. | 0:13:18 | 0:13:21 | |
And, you know, back, back... The return to normalcy, the return to normal after the war. | 0:13:21 | 0:13:26 | |
-But a lot of them weren't. -You could no longer argue that they couldn't do it. | 0:13:26 | 0:13:29 | |
Mrs Foot's experience of stepping into a man's role | 0:13:31 | 0:13:34 | |
was replicated all over Britain, | 0:13:34 | 0:13:37 | |
as the government actively encouraged women to "do your bit", | 0:13:37 | 0:13:40 | |
"replace a man for the front". | 0:13:40 | 0:13:43 | |
Technical, mechanical and even hard labour jobs | 0:13:45 | 0:13:49 | |
were suddenly opened up to women. | 0:13:49 | 0:13:52 | |
And the most dangerous one of all was munitions. | 0:13:52 | 0:13:55 | |
This is the Woolwich Arsenal. | 0:13:57 | 0:13:59 | |
At its height during the First World War, it was Britain's biggest munitions factory. | 0:13:59 | 0:14:04 | |
It's a vast complex. | 0:14:04 | 0:14:06 | |
Over 30,000 women would walk through those gates every day | 0:14:06 | 0:14:11 | |
to start a 12-hour shift. It was dirty and dangerous work. | 0:14:11 | 0:14:14 | |
A third of these women were recruited from domestic service. | 0:14:18 | 0:14:21 | |
They were often given the most difficult jobs of bomb-making and chemical processing, | 0:14:22 | 0:14:27 | |
because they were considered clean, efficient and, most importantly, trustworthy. | 0:14:27 | 0:14:32 | |
These ex-servants were attracted to the dangerous work through higher pay and a sense of camaraderie. | 0:14:35 | 0:14:41 | |
War work offered women in a vast range of professions | 0:14:43 | 0:14:46 | |
regulated working hours and conditions, and access to subsidised childcare. | 0:14:46 | 0:14:52 | |
They joined unions in their thousands. | 0:14:52 | 0:14:55 | |
Female union membership during the war rose by 160%. | 0:14:55 | 0:14:59 | |
After the Armistice, heroic men servants returning from the trenches | 0:15:02 | 0:15:06 | |
were promised jobs in a land fit for heroes. | 0:15:06 | 0:15:09 | |
Women, on the other hand, were expected to step back to their traditional roles, | 0:15:09 | 0:15:13 | |
above all, into domestic service. | 0:15:13 | 0:15:17 | |
Julia Varley, an ardent political activist based in Birmingham, | 0:15:22 | 0:15:26 | |
had spent the war successfully unionising women in factories and workshops. | 0:15:26 | 0:15:30 | |
Now that women were being encouraged to go back into service, | 0:15:31 | 0:15:34 | |
she set out to empower and galvanise servants, too. | 0:15:34 | 0:15:38 | |
Loveday Street, close to the city centre, was the place to start. | 0:15:38 | 0:15:42 | |
This is where Number One, Loveday Street would have stood. | 0:15:42 | 0:15:46 | |
And it's important because it's a place where | 0:15:46 | 0:15:49 | |
a charismatic suffragette and Labour activist called Julia Varley | 0:15:49 | 0:15:53 | |
started to organise the city maids in Birmingham. | 0:15:53 | 0:15:57 | |
One of her challenges was that there was just so few places for working women to meet. | 0:15:57 | 0:16:03 | |
So she had a great idea, she set up a club for servants right here. | 0:16:03 | 0:16:08 | |
Some newspapers called it the Servants' Paradise. | 0:16:08 | 0:16:12 | |
It became really a headquarters for a servants' union. | 0:16:12 | 0:16:15 | |
Julia Varley conceived of her club | 0:16:17 | 0:16:20 | |
as the welcoming meeting place for servants of all ranks, | 0:16:20 | 0:16:23 | |
from lowly scullery maids to cook, complete with chintz curtains and a grand piano. | 0:16:23 | 0:16:28 | |
Pre-war attempts at organising a servants' union had come to nothing, | 0:16:28 | 0:16:33 | |
but now things looked more hopeful. | 0:16:33 | 0:16:35 | |
So in 1918, | 0:16:35 | 0:16:37 | |
women have come together from all over the country. | 0:16:37 | 0:16:40 | |
They've moved into munition centres. They've left their home towns. | 0:16:40 | 0:16:44 | |
They've perhaps lived in hostels together. | 0:16:44 | 0:16:47 | |
And they've sort of, you know, formed bonds and friendships. | 0:16:47 | 0:16:53 | |
So Julia Varley, along with other women trade unionists, | 0:16:53 | 0:16:57 | |
are aware that, if they don't do something, | 0:16:57 | 0:17:00 | |
women are going to disappear back into this hidden world of employment, | 0:17:00 | 0:17:04 | |
and that includes domestic service. | 0:17:04 | 0:17:07 | |
If women are going to go back into that job... | 0:17:07 | 0:17:10 | |
And I think it's important that she's not saying, "Don't go back into that job." | 0:17:10 | 0:17:14 | |
She's certainly saying if you do it, | 0:17:14 | 0:17:18 | |
then we need to raise the profile, we need to raise the status, | 0:17:18 | 0:17:22 | |
and we need to look at the terms and conditions | 0:17:22 | 0:17:26 | |
for maids, for domestic servants. | 0:17:26 | 0:17:29 | |
Julia Varley ensured the servants set out their own terms in her Servants' Charter, | 0:17:30 | 0:17:35 | |
laying out their hours and the most basic work conditions, | 0:17:35 | 0:17:39 | |
such as the need for proper food. | 0:17:39 | 0:17:41 | |
The very fact that that has to be stated, | 0:17:43 | 0:17:47 | |
when we might all think that employers | 0:17:47 | 0:17:51 | |
are bound to look after their staff. | 0:17:51 | 0:17:53 | |
That this is in the months after the First World War. | 0:17:53 | 0:17:57 | |
That this is put down in writing to try to ensure | 0:17:57 | 0:18:00 | |
that servants got good, plain food, | 0:18:00 | 0:18:03 | |
you know, it says an awful lot. | 0:18:03 | 0:18:06 | |
-It's still not too much to ask, is it, really? -Exactly. | 0:18:06 | 0:18:08 | |
It's not exactly the height of radicalism. Name. | 0:18:08 | 0:18:11 | |
"By arrangement with the mistresses girls are allowed to choose the name by which they wish to be called. | 0:18:11 | 0:18:15 | |
"Comfortable kitchen with an easy chair or other provision for rest." | 0:18:15 | 0:18:19 | |
Yes. And it also goes on to say, | 0:18:19 | 0:18:22 | |
"A comfortable bedroom with separate bed, where separate bedroom is not possible." | 0:18:22 | 0:18:27 | |
In other words, they shouldn't be sharing a bed with another servant. | 0:18:27 | 0:18:32 | |
Here it says, "Sheets to be changed at least every three weeks. | 0:18:32 | 0:18:36 | |
"Pillowcase and bath towel to be changed at least every fortnight. | 0:18:36 | 0:18:40 | |
"Clean face towel every week." | 0:18:40 | 0:18:42 | |
And, most importantly, it says, "Use of bathroom once a week." | 0:18:42 | 0:18:47 | |
-Hardly revolutionary demands. -Indeed. | 0:18:47 | 0:18:49 | |
It seems to be this is about these women just wanting to be treated with dignity. | 0:18:49 | 0:18:53 | |
-Yes. -With respect. | 0:18:53 | 0:18:55 | |
What happens in the end? Does she succeed? | 0:18:55 | 0:18:59 | |
In the long run, no. | 0:18:59 | 0:19:01 | |
Erm, Julia Varley herself says after a couple of years it petered out. | 0:19:01 | 0:19:07 | |
And the reason that she herself cites for that is snobbery. | 0:19:07 | 0:19:13 | |
She said, "You wouldn't believe the class distinctions there were among servants." | 0:19:13 | 0:19:17 | |
The cook wouldn't mix with the housemaid and all that sort of thing. | 0:19:17 | 0:19:21 | |
So she's blaming the servants? | 0:19:21 | 0:19:23 | |
She's blaming the servants for the dynamic of her club not working, | 0:19:23 | 0:19:26 | |
but perhaps it was easier for her to blame the servants | 0:19:26 | 0:19:30 | |
than to accept that this project, | 0:19:30 | 0:19:33 | |
that she'd invested time and union resources into, | 0:19:33 | 0:19:38 | |
erm, wasn't working. | 0:19:38 | 0:19:41 | |
Julia Varley may have blamed the servants' snobbery, | 0:19:44 | 0:19:47 | |
but her timing could not have been worse. | 0:19:47 | 0:19:51 | |
At the start of 1921, unemployment doubled from one to nearly two million | 0:19:51 | 0:19:56 | |
in the face of a disastrous economic slump, following the First World War. | 0:19:56 | 0:20:02 | |
What many female servants did share, however, | 0:20:02 | 0:20:04 | |
was outrage at the situation with unemployment insurance. | 0:20:04 | 0:20:09 | |
Unemployment benefit had been introduced but, shockingly, servants weren't entitled to it, | 0:20:09 | 0:20:14 | |
because it was assumed that they could always find work. | 0:20:14 | 0:20:18 | |
In practice, that meant that women who'd had a range of jobs during the war | 0:20:18 | 0:20:23 | |
now found themselves forced into service. | 0:20:23 | 0:20:26 | |
One newspaper reported it like this, the Southampton Thames, | 0:20:26 | 0:20:30 | |
"Women still have not brought themselves to realise that factory work, | 0:20:30 | 0:20:35 | |
"with the money paid for it during the war, will not be possible again. | 0:20:35 | 0:20:39 | |
"Women who left domestic service to enter the factory | 0:20:39 | 0:20:43 | |
"are now required to return to the pots and pans." | 0:20:43 | 0:20:46 | |
The war's effect on the service economy was clear. | 0:20:53 | 0:20:56 | |
There were now 200,000 fewer servants. | 0:20:56 | 0:21:00 | |
When women refused service jobs and attempted to claim the dole, | 0:21:00 | 0:21:04 | |
the outraged middle classes called on their politicians | 0:21:04 | 0:21:06 | |
to fight their cause for them. | 0:21:06 | 0:21:09 | |
-Oh, isn't this place amazing? -That's incredible. | 0:21:18 | 0:21:21 | |
Some wallpaper! | 0:21:21 | 0:21:22 | |
Let's look here at the Hansard. | 0:21:26 | 0:21:28 | |
It's even quite surprising to me that servants make it into Parliamentary debate. | 0:21:28 | 0:21:32 | |
Well, they were very big in people's lives and the lack of servants was very big in people's lives. | 0:21:32 | 0:21:38 | |
And here we have Captain Terrell. | 0:21:38 | 0:21:41 | |
-Who's Captain Terrell? -Captain Terrell is the Conservative Member of Parliament for Henley. | 0:21:41 | 0:21:46 | |
-And Henley was very much as Henley is today. -What's Captain Terrell up to? | 0:21:46 | 0:21:52 | |
Captain Terrell is obviously bothered because his constituents can't get domestic servants, | 0:21:52 | 0:21:57 | |
or can't get domestic servants for the wages that they're prepared to pay. | 0:21:57 | 0:22:01 | |
He asked the Minister of Labour, "Whether he will institute an inquiry | 0:22:01 | 0:22:04 | |
"into the abuse of the unemployment pay by women and girls, | 0:22:04 | 0:22:07 | |
"who, accustomed to domestic service, now refuse to re-enter it." | 0:22:07 | 0:22:12 | |
So very cleverly, what Captain Terrell is doing, | 0:22:12 | 0:22:15 | |
he's not saying, "My constituents can't get domestic servants," which is what he means. | 0:22:15 | 0:22:21 | |
He's saying that women are abusing the dole by going on to the dole | 0:22:21 | 0:22:26 | |
and taking money from the state rather than going out into gainful employment, | 0:22:26 | 0:22:30 | |
in brackets - working for my constituents as domestic servants. | 0:22:30 | 0:22:33 | |
-So really, it's blaming the dole for the servant shortage. -Exactly so. | 0:22:33 | 0:22:36 | |
You have the breaking up of the simplicities of the class system, | 0:22:36 | 0:22:41 | |
the ending of the days when there was a servant class, | 0:22:41 | 0:22:45 | |
and women of a certain class would become servants, | 0:22:45 | 0:22:49 | |
and women of another class would HAVE servants. | 0:22:49 | 0:22:52 | |
And the classes were supposed to know what they were there for, | 0:22:52 | 0:22:55 | |
and not suppose that they could carry on working in munitions factories, for instance, | 0:22:55 | 0:22:59 | |
-as they had been during the First World War. -With higher pay! -With higher pay. | 0:22:59 | 0:23:03 | |
It's the breaking up of the certainties | 0:23:03 | 0:23:06 | |
of people's social status and position. | 0:23:06 | 0:23:08 | |
At this point, the Labour Party begin to get involved | 0:23:08 | 0:23:12 | |
and they begin to chime in on the other side of the argument. | 0:23:12 | 0:23:15 | |
Mr W. Thorn, a Labour MP, is doing what MPs and journalists love to do, | 0:23:15 | 0:23:21 | |
he's bringing a real-life case to the House of Commons, | 0:23:21 | 0:23:24 | |
a heart-wrenching case to the House of Commons. | 0:23:24 | 0:23:27 | |
"Miss L. Moore," he says, "is the eldest of 10 children, | 0:23:27 | 0:23:30 | |
"having nine brothers and one sister all living at home, | 0:23:30 | 0:23:34 | |
"five being under 14 years of age and still going to school. | 0:23:34 | 0:23:37 | |
"The youngest not being two years old. | 0:23:37 | 0:23:39 | |
"She was one the chief supporters of the household when working at the rubber works." | 0:23:39 | 0:23:43 | |
That's probably after or during the First World War. | 0:23:43 | 0:23:46 | |
"And in consequence, Miss Moore states that she was not used to domestic service, | 0:23:46 | 0:23:50 | |
"and as she was one of the chief supporters of the household | 0:23:50 | 0:23:53 | |
"she could not see her way clear to accept the position of a domestic servant." | 0:23:53 | 0:23:58 | |
And they're going to take the dole away from her and her whole family rely on her. | 0:23:58 | 0:24:02 | |
And this is one of those lovely human stories | 0:24:02 | 0:24:05 | |
-that can be so much more effective in politics than dry argument. -Yes. | 0:24:05 | 0:24:10 | |
-And a girl like this, who's 17, it says there... -Yes. | 0:24:10 | 0:24:13 | |
-..Is expected to take a domestic service job. -That's right. | 0:24:13 | 0:24:17 | |
Regardless of the fact she hasn't been trained to do it and of what it's paid. | 0:24:17 | 0:24:20 | |
Yes. And to suit the convenience of her mistress rather than looking after all her brothers and sisters. | 0:24:20 | 0:24:25 | |
With issues around servants and the dole so publicly raised in Parliament, | 0:24:31 | 0:24:35 | |
certain newspapers waded in on behalf of the employers. | 0:24:35 | 0:24:39 | |
The Daily Mail picks up the story. | 0:24:42 | 0:24:44 | |
They run a campaign over two or more weeks called "Scandals of the Dole - Paying Women to be Idle". | 0:24:44 | 0:24:49 | |
"Girls who ought to be in service". | 0:24:49 | 0:24:52 | |
They employ a special correspondent to investigate the problem. | 0:24:52 | 0:24:55 | |
"The most flagrant scandal connected with the dole is that of the thousands upon thousands of women | 0:24:55 | 0:25:00 | |
"who are drawing it when they ought to be in domestic service. | 0:25:00 | 0:25:03 | |
"This is a scandal which is capable of no kind of valid excuse." | 0:25:03 | 0:25:07 | |
He calls upon the government to do one perfectly obvious thing - | 0:25:07 | 0:25:11 | |
"make it illegal for women to draw the dole when they are capable of domestic service." | 0:25:11 | 0:25:16 | |
So it goes on. | 0:25:16 | 0:25:18 | |
Well, the campaign's gathering pace, and a week later there are lots of letters from correspondents. | 0:25:21 | 0:25:26 | |
Here's one. "To the editor of the Daily Mail. | 0:25:27 | 0:25:30 | |
"Sir, for four months I have been trying in vain to get a servant. | 0:25:30 | 0:25:34 | |
"I applied to the Labour Bureau. They told me they had no servants of any sort or kind. | 0:25:34 | 0:25:38 | |
"There were ten women forming a queue in the office passage up the stairs and in the street, | 0:25:38 | 0:25:43 | |
"obviously of the domestic servant class. | 0:25:43 | 0:25:45 | |
"I asked the clerk what they were doing, thinking they had come to try and get employment, | 0:25:45 | 0:25:50 | |
"but was told they were women waiting to receive the dole." | 0:25:50 | 0:25:54 | |
That's N. Swinton from Barnes. | 0:25:54 | 0:25:56 | |
All this public debate resulted in a committee of inquiry, | 0:25:56 | 0:26:01 | |
staffed with women from all sides of the political spectrum, including Julia Varley. | 0:26:01 | 0:26:06 | |
But no actual servants. | 0:26:06 | 0:26:08 | |
The committee came up with some quite thoughtful recommendations - | 0:26:11 | 0:26:14 | |
better training, better conditions, improving status, | 0:26:14 | 0:26:17 | |
but in the end its report was shelved. | 0:26:17 | 0:26:20 | |
As with so many problems a government doesn't want to deal with, | 0:26:23 | 0:26:25 | |
the inquirer's report was kicked into the long grass. | 0:26:25 | 0:26:29 | |
For no-one in Parliament seemed to have the answer to the underlying question - | 0:26:29 | 0:26:34 | |
what to do when thousands of young women refused to go into service? | 0:26:34 | 0:26:39 | |
Now the battleground shifted to an unlikely issue, the maid's hair, cap and uniform. | 0:26:46 | 0:26:52 | |
Nothing typified more the indignity of service than old-fashioned uniforms, | 0:26:52 | 0:26:58 | |
and the cap itself became a hated symbol of deference. | 0:26:58 | 0:27:01 | |
The mistresses now took it on themselves to persuade young women back | 0:27:03 | 0:27:07 | |
through a fashion charm offensive. | 0:27:07 | 0:27:09 | |
This is one of the new women's magazines from the 1930s. | 0:27:14 | 0:27:18 | |
It's the Needlewoman, "a magazine of exclusive fashions in dress and in the home". | 0:27:18 | 0:27:23 | |
It's the kind of thing that would have been read by a lot of mistresses, | 0:27:23 | 0:27:26 | |
and it's got some great hints for the mistress as to how keep your maid happy. | 0:27:26 | 0:27:31 | |
And one way they should do it is by improving on that uniform and the cap. | 0:27:31 | 0:27:36 | |
"Mistresses who have difficulty in persuading their maids | 0:27:38 | 0:27:41 | |
"to wear the stiffly starched cap and apron | 0:27:41 | 0:27:43 | |
"should try the effect of a dainty apron and cap, similar to the one in the picture." | 0:27:43 | 0:27:49 | |
The caption underneath says, "Doesn't this apron look smart?" | 0:27:49 | 0:27:52 | |
You can just almost hear the anxiety in the voice there. | 0:27:52 | 0:27:56 | |
She doesn't look desperately happy about it. | 0:27:56 | 0:27:59 | |
Here's a great one. I love this. "To make your maid look her best. | 0:27:59 | 0:28:03 | |
"Maids' uniforms are very different nowadays | 0:28:03 | 0:28:06 | |
"from the stiff, cumbersome designs worn before the war. | 0:28:06 | 0:28:09 | |
"The wise mistress finds it pays to make her maid take a pride in her dress. | 0:28:09 | 0:28:15 | |
"Many smart mistresses in Mayfair | 0:28:15 | 0:28:18 | |
"find that the maid who resents 'uniform' will be quite happy | 0:28:18 | 0:28:22 | |
"when wearing a picturesque outfit in colour." | 0:28:22 | 0:28:25 | |
And you go back to a picture of a maid and a caption, | 0:28:25 | 0:28:29 | |
"Any maid would feel happy with a dainty apron like the one above." | 0:28:29 | 0:28:33 | |
I think if you read between the lines here, | 0:28:33 | 0:28:36 | |
there's a real sense of anxiety, insecurity on the part of the mistresses. | 0:28:36 | 0:28:40 | |
They're not sure how to deal with this new breed of maid - | 0:28:40 | 0:28:43 | |
more flighty, more, you know... | 0:28:43 | 0:28:46 | |
Who've got their own ideas about how they want to look and how they want to live their lives. | 0:28:46 | 0:28:51 | |
But they're making an effort. They're going for it. They're trying to say, you know, | 0:28:51 | 0:28:54 | |
"If we meet them halfway, nicer uniforms, they'll be happy." | 0:28:54 | 0:28:58 | |
But it's a bit of a vain hope, I think. | 0:28:58 | 0:29:00 | |
But there was one mistress who came up with a truly radical idea, | 0:29:02 | 0:29:06 | |
which offered servants much more than simply a prettier apron. | 0:29:06 | 0:29:09 | |
Society hostess, Lady Malcolm, organised an annual servants' ball, | 0:29:10 | 0:29:14 | |
where servants and employers could meet on equal terms. | 0:29:14 | 0:29:17 | |
She called it her Cinderella Dance, | 0:29:19 | 0:29:21 | |
and in 1928 the ball took place in the Wharncliff rooms | 0:29:21 | 0:29:25 | |
of what used to be called the Grand Central Hotel in London. | 0:29:25 | 0:29:28 | |
Tickets were on sale to all, and it was difficult to tell amongst the thousand dancers | 0:29:30 | 0:29:35 | |
who was a servant and who an employer. | 0:29:35 | 0:29:38 | |
Lady Malcolm was rumoured to be the illegitimate daughter of Edward VII and his mistress, | 0:29:44 | 0:29:48 | |
beauty and international actress Lily Langtrey. | 0:29:48 | 0:29:52 | |
Only someone of Lady Malcolm's unorthodox social standing would dare such a thing. | 0:29:53 | 0:29:58 | |
Why did Lady Malcolm do this? | 0:29:58 | 0:30:00 | |
She had a very odd childhood. | 0:30:00 | 0:30:02 | |
Her mother touring, doing her stage appearances, | 0:30:02 | 0:30:07 | |
cavorting with her boyfriends, left her alone, | 0:30:07 | 0:30:09 | |
at a time when, if she'd been seen with her daughter, tongues would have wagged. | 0:30:09 | 0:30:14 | |
So the little girl is taken out by servants and makes friends with servants. | 0:30:14 | 0:30:18 | |
She sees that they are not just human beings but, in many ways, nicer human beings | 0:30:18 | 0:30:24 | |
than the grand folk with whom she is expected to spend her time. | 0:30:24 | 0:30:28 | |
How did the ball work? | 0:30:28 | 0:30:30 | |
It was very fairly formal, obviously, judging from the descriptions in the press. | 0:30:30 | 0:30:35 | |
It started off with a procession led by Lady Malcolm and her butler. | 0:30:35 | 0:30:40 | |
So they would come in and they would walk down here. | 0:30:40 | 0:30:42 | |
I'm the butler, you're Lady Malcolm. We would go like this. | 0:30:42 | 0:30:45 | |
Presumably holding their hands, proceeding. | 0:30:45 | 0:30:49 | |
The press all over Britain delighted in covering the ball, | 0:30:52 | 0:30:57 | |
as did the American Delaware Morning Star. | 0:30:57 | 0:31:00 | |
I love this headline - "So Lady Malcolm defied society, danced with the butler! | 0:31:01 | 0:31:05 | |
"While the conservative London dowagers sat back and sizzled, but had to take it." | 0:31:05 | 0:31:09 | |
"The dowagers gasped in astonishment as the erstwhile dignified British servant | 0:31:09 | 0:31:14 | |
"chatted gaily with Lady Malcolm while he escorted her across the spacious floor | 0:31:14 | 0:31:19 | |
"with the casual air of a young lord. | 0:31:19 | 0:31:22 | |
"But they were still more astounded when she stepped into his arms | 0:31:23 | 0:31:27 | |
"and went dancing across the floor. | 0:31:27 | 0:31:29 | |
"The chef forgot the giggling housemaid by his side. | 0:31:29 | 0:31:32 | |
"This was indeed an innovation. | 0:31:32 | 0:31:35 | |
"Even Lady Malcolm, whose impregnable social position permitted her many privileges | 0:31:35 | 0:31:39 | |
"had never dared such an act before." | 0:31:39 | 0:31:42 | |
-Lady Malcolm. -Looking, of course, away from the butler. | 0:31:42 | 0:31:45 | |
And, indeed, he does look a rather bottle-nosed old buffer, doesn't he? | 0:31:45 | 0:31:48 | |
She's either holding him up | 0:31:48 | 0:31:50 | |
or she's turning away from his very, very wine alcoholic breath. | 0:31:50 | 0:31:54 | |
And, of course, that's one of the things you never hear about. | 0:31:54 | 0:31:56 | |
I mean, what was their actual feeling about being held in the embrace | 0:31:56 | 0:32:00 | |
of a man who was serving you your drinks for the rest of the year. | 0:32:00 | 0:32:05 | |
Could you ever quite go back? | 0:32:05 | 0:32:07 | |
The question is raised here, I think - | 0:32:07 | 0:32:09 | |
could you ever go back to the old relationship | 0:32:09 | 0:32:13 | |
once you had gone through that? | 0:32:13 | 0:32:15 | |
Because their old relationship depends on that difference. | 0:32:15 | 0:32:18 | |
It depends on the difference. It depends also on physical distance, | 0:32:18 | 0:32:22 | |
by which I don't mean that he wasn't a few feet from you | 0:32:22 | 0:32:25 | |
and, of course, when he was pouring wine at dinner he was leaning over your shoulder. | 0:32:25 | 0:32:29 | |
But, nonetheless, they weren't actually touching. | 0:32:29 | 0:32:31 | |
Whereas once you'd been in his arms, things were never going to be the same again. | 0:32:31 | 0:32:36 | |
In her own way, I think Lady Malcolm | 0:32:36 | 0:32:38 | |
achieved one of the great sort of blows against the class system. | 0:32:38 | 0:32:44 | |
But while some mistresses were trying to charm their servants with balls and flowery aprons, | 0:32:45 | 0:32:50 | |
a new model of middle-class service was emerging. | 0:32:50 | 0:32:54 | |
Change came from a surprising quarter, | 0:32:54 | 0:32:56 | |
not from the country house set, | 0:32:56 | 0:32:59 | |
but from those eager to move out of crowded city housing. | 0:32:59 | 0:33:04 | |
Tired of these surroundings. We're cooped up in this London flat all the days of our lives. | 0:33:09 | 0:33:13 | |
Well then, let's go out into the country. | 0:33:13 | 0:33:16 | |
-The country? Where? -There are awfully nice houses at Purely Oaks. Charming. | 0:33:16 | 0:33:20 | |
-Purley Oaks? That's where the Goodmans live. -Yes. | 0:33:20 | 0:33:24 | |
-He's always telling me about it. Golf, too. -Yes, lovely. | 0:33:24 | 0:33:27 | |
-By Jove, we'll go, darling! -Not far from town. -We'll go. | 0:33:27 | 0:33:31 | |
Immortalised by John Betjeman as Metroland, | 0:33:33 | 0:33:36 | |
new suburban developments were springing up all over the country, | 0:33:36 | 0:33:40 | |
built on green land outside the city centres. | 0:33:40 | 0:33:43 | |
Astonishingly, the number of privately owned houses quadrupled between the wars. | 0:33:43 | 0:33:48 | |
Designed for a lower middle class of teachers and bank clerks, | 0:33:50 | 0:33:54 | |
the most popular housing type of all was the semi-detached home. | 0:33:54 | 0:33:59 | |
This is a classic 1930s house. | 0:34:00 | 0:34:03 | |
The families that moved out to these suburbs were full of hope and optimism. | 0:34:03 | 0:34:07 | |
They were building a new way of life, and you can see it in the sunrise motif over there, | 0:34:07 | 0:34:12 | |
which was everywhere at the time. | 0:34:12 | 0:34:14 | |
What's really interesting is that this new way of life | 0:34:14 | 0:34:18 | |
required a different kind of servant. | 0:34:18 | 0:34:21 | |
It's hard to imagine that these small houses had room | 0:34:22 | 0:34:25 | |
or a role for servants. | 0:34:25 | 0:34:28 | |
Lots of families still wanted the status and the labour | 0:34:28 | 0:34:33 | |
of having some kind of servant. | 0:34:33 | 0:34:35 | |
And so they compromised by having a day servant. | 0:34:35 | 0:34:37 | |
Somebody that, you know, was kind of like a cleaner, | 0:34:37 | 0:34:40 | |
but we don't really have cleaners at this point. | 0:34:40 | 0:34:43 | |
-So day servants would still have looked very like traditional servants. -Still wore a uniform? | 0:34:43 | 0:34:47 | |
They might have worn the uniform. | 0:34:47 | 0:34:49 | |
They might well have come in pretty early. They might have come in at about seven in the morning. | 0:34:49 | 0:34:53 | |
And, again, left fairly late. So they still have the long hours. | 0:34:53 | 0:34:56 | |
The suburbs were not a servant-free zone. | 0:34:56 | 0:34:59 | |
So I think for a lot of families they wanted to have the visible domestic worker, | 0:34:59 | 0:35:04 | |
the daily servant in their house so they could show everyone, "We've arrived. We really are middle class." | 0:35:04 | 0:35:10 | |
So they might get the maid working, hoovering or serving up dinner in the front room, | 0:35:10 | 0:35:15 | |
and have the bay window curtains open and the lights on | 0:35:15 | 0:35:18 | |
-so that everyone can look in and see what they've got. -A little glance! | 0:35:18 | 0:35:22 | |
But how was the already fractious bond between servants and their employers | 0:35:23 | 0:35:27 | |
going to play out in these small houses? | 0:35:27 | 0:35:31 | |
Well, it causes immense problems for the relationship between employers and dailies, | 0:35:31 | 0:35:36 | |
because they're thrown very close together. | 0:35:36 | 0:35:39 | |
You know, they no longer have the clear sense of separate spaces. | 0:35:39 | 0:35:42 | |
But you can kind of still see the way in which that is built into a house like this. | 0:35:42 | 0:35:47 | |
The fact that it has the side-entrance, so that you can still have tradesmen and dailies | 0:35:47 | 0:35:52 | |
coming in around the side is very important. | 0:35:52 | 0:35:55 | |
It's an attempt to delineate the status of people coming in and out of the house. | 0:35:55 | 0:36:00 | |
-That's an important part of being semi-detached. -Absolutely. | 0:36:00 | 0:36:03 | |
-Is to have a side entrance? -Yeah. -It's less upstairs/downstairs. | 0:36:03 | 0:36:06 | |
-It's more front door/side door. -Exactly, yeah. | 0:36:06 | 0:36:08 | |
So this kitchen is modern because it's full of labour-saving devices - | 0:36:10 | 0:36:13 | |
the cooker and the gas and the fridge. | 0:36:13 | 0:36:15 | |
But it's also part of the house. It's integrated, isn't it? | 0:36:15 | 0:36:18 | |
-There's a kind of proximity to the rest of the house. -That's right. | 0:36:18 | 0:36:21 | |
Kitchens were being pulled in to family life. | 0:36:21 | 0:36:24 | |
I wouldn't say they were yet the heart of the home, which they become after World War II, | 0:36:24 | 0:36:29 | |
but, nonetheless, this might be a family room. | 0:36:29 | 0:36:32 | |
You might have the family breakfasting in here altogether. | 0:36:32 | 0:36:35 | |
But we also need to remember that there were real limits to that. | 0:36:35 | 0:36:38 | |
So although it's a bright, cheerful, sunny room | 0:36:38 | 0:36:41 | |
and it's a step away from the other rooms in the house, | 0:36:41 | 0:36:44 | |
this was also the servants' domain, | 0:36:44 | 0:36:47 | |
and if you just look out here, she would have been expected | 0:36:47 | 0:36:51 | |
to use...this little... | 0:36:51 | 0:36:54 | |
outside toilet. | 0:36:54 | 0:36:55 | |
Oh, yes! | 0:36:55 | 0:36:57 | |
-So it's really clear that servants were NOT being invited to use the indoor facilities. -Yeah. | 0:36:57 | 0:37:03 | |
So just have a look at this. | 0:37:03 | 0:37:05 | |
What we've got here - this is some servant-grade toilet paper, you see? | 0:37:05 | 0:37:10 | |
Strong toilet tissue. | 0:37:10 | 0:37:12 | |
So you've got the soft, quilted toilet paper upstairs, | 0:37:12 | 0:37:15 | |
-and here you've got, what I call, the tracing paper version. -Yes, the tracing paper! | 0:37:15 | 0:37:20 | |
But what is going on here with these two bathrooms? What's the story? | 0:37:20 | 0:37:24 | |
I think what we see is a kind of persistent disgust | 0:37:24 | 0:37:27 | |
at having to share intimate spaces with servants who are still imagined to be other. | 0:37:27 | 0:37:32 | |
They were still different kinds of people. You didn't want the servant in your bathroom. | 0:37:32 | 0:37:36 | |
The physical otherness of the servant. You know, the disgust at their bodies. | 0:37:36 | 0:37:40 | |
So that sense of disgust is really played out in these different products. | 0:37:40 | 0:37:44 | |
You know, the servants get carbolic soap and the family get scented, creamy, leathery soap. | 0:37:44 | 0:37:51 | |
Just like the suburban houses, innovative household appliances were designed with servants in mind. | 0:37:52 | 0:37:58 | |
If you look here, this is a great example of this. | 0:37:58 | 0:38:02 | |
It's the Daily Mail Ideal Labour Saving Home Book. | 0:38:02 | 0:38:06 | |
And it's full, it's absolutely packed, with adverts and commentary, | 0:38:06 | 0:38:11 | |
which is basically saying, "How do we solve the servant problem?" | 0:38:11 | 0:38:16 | |
Here you've got all these happy looking servants using these devices. | 0:38:16 | 0:38:20 | |
You know, they're trying to say, | 0:38:20 | 0:38:23 | |
the solution to your disgruntled servants is in getting the carpet sweeper, the sweeper vac. | 0:38:23 | 0:38:29 | |
Smiling servant, no cap. | 0:38:29 | 0:38:31 | |
-That's right. -Much less decorative. Fashionable hair. | 0:38:31 | 0:38:34 | |
That's right. | 0:38:34 | 0:38:35 | |
Gadgets were being sold as servant pacifiers, | 0:38:37 | 0:38:39 | |
but in reality the roles of servant and middle-class housewife | 0:38:39 | 0:38:44 | |
were becoming increasing blurred. | 0:38:44 | 0:38:46 | |
With new technologies significantly reducing | 0:38:46 | 0:38:49 | |
the hours and physical challenge of housework, who was actually doing the work? | 0:38:49 | 0:38:54 | |
Suburban housewives were taking on tasks like cooking, but one duty remained beyond the pale, | 0:38:55 | 0:39:01 | |
to the point of absurdity. | 0:39:01 | 0:39:05 | |
-This is a wonderful example of how, in some ways, things hadn't changed that much. -What is this? | 0:39:05 | 0:39:10 | |
-The Receivador? -The Receivador. | 0:39:10 | 0:39:12 | |
It's being advertised here as the "greatest household labour-saving device". | 0:39:12 | 0:39:16 | |
It actually says here, "The Receivador is the silent servant of the household, | 0:39:16 | 0:39:20 | |
"giving orders and receiving parcels." | 0:39:20 | 0:39:23 | |
When we think of what the greatest labour-saving device of the 20th century is, we might say... | 0:39:23 | 0:39:27 | |
-Washing machine. -..Vacuum cleaner. Yeah, one of those. | 0:39:27 | 0:39:30 | |
But here, this is a device which enables you to not answer your own front door. | 0:39:30 | 0:39:36 | |
So it's a little hatch that goes out at the front | 0:39:36 | 0:39:38 | |
and the tradesman delivering some meat puts their parcel in it | 0:39:38 | 0:39:43 | |
and you open it and take it out on the inside. | 0:39:43 | 0:39:45 | |
And you don't need to have an interaction. | 0:39:45 | 0:39:47 | |
We don't think of answering the door as particularly hard work. | 0:39:47 | 0:39:50 | |
But it was still a really fraught thing. | 0:39:50 | 0:39:53 | |
Do you answer the door yourself if you're not a servant? | 0:39:53 | 0:39:56 | |
Is it OK for the mistress of the house to do that. | 0:39:56 | 0:39:59 | |
Would that kind of thing have been installed in a house like this? | 0:39:59 | 0:40:02 | |
Yeah. This is exactly who they're aiming at. | 0:40:02 | 0:40:04 | |
It's exactly the middle-class house | 0:40:04 | 0:40:07 | |
where there's not enough money for the old staff. | 0:40:07 | 0:40:10 | |
Those higher up the social ladder, who did still have enough money, | 0:40:14 | 0:40:17 | |
were desperately clinging on to their live-in staff. | 0:40:17 | 0:40:21 | |
This was the site of Clayton Lodge, where the Tinne family lived. | 0:40:28 | 0:40:33 | |
Emily Tinne, her husband, Doctor Philip Tinne, their kids and up to six servants, | 0:40:33 | 0:40:37 | |
and that was including a cook and a butler and a gardener. | 0:40:37 | 0:40:41 | |
They had a very nice life up here. | 0:40:41 | 0:40:44 | |
They had three acres, an orchard, an eight-bedroomed house. | 0:40:44 | 0:40:47 | |
It's all been bulldozed now and it's been replaced by period houses, | 0:40:50 | 0:40:54 | |
mock period houses, ironically. | 0:40:54 | 0:40:56 | |
But what remains is an amazing record of the Tinnes' troubles | 0:40:56 | 0:41:00 | |
of finding and keeping good servants in the 1930s. | 0:41:00 | 0:41:05 | |
I've come to the National Museums of Liverpool | 0:41:08 | 0:41:10 | |
to see the Tinnes' photo album and letters | 0:41:10 | 0:41:13 | |
that have been carefully preserved by the family. | 0:41:13 | 0:41:16 | |
It's a big box. | 0:41:16 | 0:41:18 | |
So there are five children? | 0:41:19 | 0:41:20 | |
There were six. The youngest hasn't been born yet. He's not on this line. | 0:41:20 | 0:41:24 | |
This is Elspeth. This is Ernest. | 0:41:24 | 0:41:27 | |
Bertha. | 0:41:27 | 0:41:29 | |
Helen and Alexine. | 0:41:29 | 0:41:32 | |
So this is Ernest, who went away to Eton. Most of the letters are directed to him. | 0:41:32 | 0:41:36 | |
And his father writes to him, literally, every week. | 0:41:36 | 0:41:40 | |
They tell everything that goes on in the house, from what the cat's doing, to what the servants are doing. | 0:41:40 | 0:41:46 | |
So let's have a look at this one. | 0:41:46 | 0:41:48 | |
"Mummie is getting over-worked with no cook and stupid girls, | 0:41:48 | 0:41:52 | |
"but prefers it to dishonest and insolent older women in the kitchen." | 0:41:52 | 0:41:57 | |
They talk constantly of how difficult it is to recruit servants and to retain them, the good ones anyway. | 0:41:57 | 0:42:02 | |
"The new maid is useless, she knows nothing and does less, | 0:42:02 | 0:42:06 | |
"always wanting to go home or go to dances and stay away for the night." | 0:42:06 | 0:42:10 | |
Now you can see what's happening. There's a problem here, | 0:42:10 | 0:42:13 | |
as problems are mounting in the later '30s with servants, generally. | 0:42:13 | 0:42:17 | |
"An impossible Irish maid turned up today, (with two sisters - not applying), | 0:42:17 | 0:42:22 | |
"to interview Mummie." | 0:42:22 | 0:42:24 | |
Instead of the other way around, because she would be interviewing them, yes. | 0:42:24 | 0:42:29 | |
"One year in England, wanted 17/6 a week | 0:42:29 | 0:42:32 | |
-"and two evenings off till 11.30pm." These are her demands. -Yeah. | 0:42:32 | 0:42:38 | |
"Plus latch-key. It seems we had better live in the cottage and offer the maid our house." | 0:42:38 | 0:42:43 | |
So, he's being sarcastic. He's saying, "What else would she like?" | 0:42:43 | 0:42:46 | |
She's come to interview us instead of the other way around. | 0:42:46 | 0:42:48 | |
-Yes. -"The working class, so called, can have it all their own way these days. | 0:42:48 | 0:42:54 | |
"So we have no maid and have to start our own fires and do the cooking and washing-up." | 0:42:54 | 0:42:59 | |
-So this would have been such a change for a family like that... -Definitely, yeah. | 0:42:59 | 0:43:03 | |
-Who had been used to... -A bit of a come-down in social terms. | 0:43:03 | 0:43:06 | |
Because she was somebody who wouldn't even have answered her own front door in 1910, | 0:43:06 | 0:43:11 | |
when she first got married, and here she is having to run the house and look after the kitchen | 0:43:11 | 0:43:16 | |
and do the jobs of the maids and so on. | 0:43:16 | 0:43:18 | |
-So she's really doing those kinds of jobs. -She's really having to pitch in. | 0:43:18 | 0:43:21 | |
-The hands-on jobs. -Definitely. -What did her husband make of that? | 0:43:21 | 0:43:25 | |
You get the sense that he's not thrilled about it, | 0:43:25 | 0:43:28 | |
but it's one of those unfortunate facts of life that you have to just do these things sometimes. | 0:43:28 | 0:43:32 | |
They're powerless against the trend of history, which is fewer and fewer servants around. | 0:43:32 | 0:43:37 | |
And this is a good example here, from a letter from 1937, | 0:43:37 | 0:43:41 | |
which talks about the kinds of things people are considering as an alternative. | 0:43:41 | 0:43:46 | |
"No signs of a cook, and most people are in the same plight. | 0:43:46 | 0:43:49 | |
"The aerodrome and factory at Speke..." | 0:43:49 | 0:43:51 | |
Which is now John Lennon Airport. | 0:43:51 | 0:43:53 | |
"..Will absorb still more girls." | 0:43:53 | 0:43:54 | |
So girls are going to work in the new industry? | 0:43:54 | 0:43:57 | |
These new industries are absorbing people from different directions, | 0:43:57 | 0:44:01 | |
including servants, in a big way. | 0:44:01 | 0:44:02 | |
"We badly want an importation of Russians or Spaniards to act as domestics. | 0:44:02 | 0:44:07 | |
"The Irish cannot be counted reliable and the English won't work." | 0:44:07 | 0:44:11 | |
The English won't work. | 0:44:11 | 0:44:12 | |
-So that's an interesting statement. -1937. -Yes. | 0:44:12 | 0:44:14 | |
They are obviously looking abroad for servants at this point. | 0:44:14 | 0:44:17 | |
"I have not got a maid yet. | 0:44:17 | 0:44:20 | |
"Nearly all the ladies I know have got Austrian, German or Swiss maids, | 0:44:20 | 0:44:25 | |
"but I have not quite brought myself to that yet." | 0:44:25 | 0:44:28 | |
Even though there was a demand for Austrian and German maids | 0:44:28 | 0:44:33 | |
it wasn't that easy for them to get into Britain. | 0:44:33 | 0:44:36 | |
In the build-up to war, Jewish refugees fleeing Hitler flooded into the country. | 0:44:36 | 0:44:42 | |
In order to control the flood, the British government started issuing new visas, | 0:44:42 | 0:44:46 | |
including a Domestic Service Visa, | 0:44:46 | 0:44:48 | |
which restricted the holder to working as a live-in servant only. | 0:44:48 | 0:44:52 | |
20,000 refugees came over on these Domestic Service Visas, | 0:44:57 | 0:45:01 | |
double the number that were saved through the celebrated Kinder Transport. | 0:45:01 | 0:45:06 | |
They were mostly young, middle-class Viennese girls, | 0:45:06 | 0:45:10 | |
themselves from servant-keeping families, | 0:45:10 | 0:45:12 | |
utterly unprepared for domestic labour. | 0:45:12 | 0:45:15 | |
Edith Argy made it over from Vienna in September 1938, | 0:45:15 | 0:45:20 | |
and had nine jobs in the space of only a year and a half. | 0:45:20 | 0:45:23 | |
Did you change jobs so many times because you didn't like the work? | 0:45:25 | 0:45:30 | |
Why couldn't you settle into one job? | 0:45:30 | 0:45:32 | |
Well, I hated every job. | 0:45:32 | 0:45:34 | |
I just didn't want to be a domestic servant. | 0:45:34 | 0:45:37 | |
And what was so bad about it for you? | 0:45:37 | 0:45:40 | |
Well, in most cases... | 0:45:40 | 0:45:43 | |
I wasn't... | 0:45:43 | 0:45:46 | |
either psychologically | 0:45:46 | 0:45:48 | |
or physically really suitable for that kind of job. | 0:45:48 | 0:45:53 | |
Psychologically, because the whole idea of being a servant | 0:45:53 | 0:45:57 | |
and being treated - either ignored or... | 0:45:57 | 0:46:02 | |
You know, servants just didn't... | 0:46:04 | 0:46:07 | |
They weren't human beings, somehow. | 0:46:07 | 0:46:09 | |
They were sort of sub-human beings. | 0:46:09 | 0:46:12 | |
And I felt that already in Nazi Austria | 0:46:12 | 0:46:15 | |
I had been treated as a sub-human being, | 0:46:15 | 0:46:18 | |
and I felt that this was a continuation of it. | 0:46:18 | 0:46:21 | |
And that's me when I arrived in England. | 0:46:21 | 0:46:24 | |
Is that an official photograph for a visa? | 0:46:24 | 0:46:27 | |
It must have been, yes, yes. | 0:46:27 | 0:46:30 | |
These are my parents. | 0:46:30 | 0:46:32 | |
You know, my mother died when I was four years old. | 0:46:32 | 0:46:36 | |
This is my father and me when I was - | 0:46:37 | 0:46:40 | |
I don't know - three or four years. I don't know how old. | 0:46:40 | 0:46:43 | |
-Perhaps four years old. -You were very close to him? | 0:46:43 | 0:46:46 | |
Yes, yes. | 0:46:46 | 0:46:48 | |
He really, really loved me. | 0:46:48 | 0:46:51 | |
This is my stepmother and me. | 0:46:51 | 0:46:55 | |
I tried desperately and I had found her somebody who would employ her, | 0:46:55 | 0:47:00 | |
but, you know, she was two years too old. She was 57. | 0:47:00 | 0:47:05 | |
-Two years too old to get this visa? -Yes. I never saw her again. | 0:47:05 | 0:47:09 | |
I've lived with that guilt... | 0:47:09 | 0:47:11 | |
-I can't imagine. -..For the rest of my life. | 0:47:11 | 0:47:14 | |
Edith's stepmother was deported to Poland and never returned. | 0:47:14 | 0:47:19 | |
When the war ended, Edith, her father and brother were reunited. | 0:47:22 | 0:47:27 | |
Although the war may temporarily have pulled more women into servant roles, | 0:47:36 | 0:47:40 | |
its aftermath inflicted lasting damage to the world of service. | 0:47:40 | 0:47:44 | |
Many big houses, like Brodsworth, faced crisis, | 0:47:47 | 0:47:50 | |
with soaring taxation, there were to be no more shooting parties or hunt balls. | 0:47:50 | 0:47:55 | |
And the live-in servants that remained, down from 15 in the last war to just three, | 0:47:57 | 0:48:02 | |
spoke out with a new openness and directness. | 0:48:02 | 0:48:06 | |
-So is this when you worked here? -Yeah. | 0:48:08 | 0:48:11 | |
Wow! | 0:48:12 | 0:48:13 | |
-When was this, after the Second World War? -Oh, definitely. | 0:48:13 | 0:48:17 | |
So how old were you here, about 18, 19? | 0:48:17 | 0:48:20 | |
Er, about 19. | 0:48:21 | 0:48:23 | |
-I weren't bad looking, were I? -Yeah, you were very good looking. | 0:48:23 | 0:48:26 | |
Look at that. Is that your dress? | 0:48:26 | 0:48:29 | |
Yeah. It were blue. | 0:48:29 | 0:48:33 | |
-So you didn't wear a uniform? -That was me uniform. -Yeah. | 0:48:33 | 0:48:35 | |
And a white apron - a big one on a morning and a small one. | 0:48:35 | 0:48:40 | |
But I had to supply them meself. | 0:48:40 | 0:48:43 | |
-Right. But you didn't have a cap? -No. | 0:48:43 | 0:48:45 | |
-Had that all gone out then, after the war? -Yeah, that had finished. | 0:48:45 | 0:48:49 | |
-They never asked you to wear one? -I wouldn't have done it. | 0:48:49 | 0:48:51 | |
-Wouldn't you? -No. -Why not? -No! | 0:48:51 | 0:48:54 | |
I were a big enough mug as it was. | 0:48:55 | 0:48:58 | |
SHE LAUGHS | 0:48:58 | 0:49:00 | |
What did you have to do here? What was your job? | 0:49:00 | 0:49:03 | |
-Er, parlour maid. -Right. | 0:49:03 | 0:49:06 | |
I used to do the breakfasts. | 0:49:06 | 0:49:09 | |
Right. | 0:49:09 | 0:49:10 | |
I used to help Esther upstairs with the sitting-room, clean the brasses, | 0:49:10 | 0:49:14 | |
and then I'd go down to dining room, | 0:49:14 | 0:49:18 | |
see that their breakfast were all right. | 0:49:18 | 0:49:21 | |
Yeah. | 0:49:21 | 0:49:22 | |
And then upstairs, helped to make the beds. | 0:49:22 | 0:49:25 | |
Back downstairs, cleaned the... cleared the dining room, | 0:49:25 | 0:49:28 | |
wash-up, cleaned the silver, | 0:49:28 | 0:49:31 | |
get ready for lunch. | 0:49:31 | 0:49:33 | |
-This is all before lunch? -Yeah. | 0:49:33 | 0:49:35 | |
-It's a big house, isn't it? -Oh, a big house! | 0:49:35 | 0:49:38 | |
It really was hard work. | 0:49:40 | 0:49:42 | |
And do you think you were, you and Emily and Esther, | 0:49:42 | 0:49:45 | |
you were helping them to maintain a lifestyle that was really on the way out? | 0:49:45 | 0:49:49 | |
Yeah. Well, I mean, they used to have... | 0:49:49 | 0:49:53 | |
Well, about ten staff. | 0:49:53 | 0:49:56 | |
-They were left with three of us. -Mm. | 0:49:56 | 0:49:59 | |
-But expecting the same standard. -Expecting the same standard. -Mm. | 0:49:59 | 0:50:03 | |
And I mean, when they had guests, | 0:50:03 | 0:50:06 | |
muggings here had to... | 0:50:06 | 0:50:08 | |
-do the donkey work. -Mm. | 0:50:08 | 0:50:11 | |
And it WAS hard work. | 0:50:11 | 0:50:13 | |
-We were underdogs. We weren't on the same level as them. -Mm. | 0:50:13 | 0:50:17 | |
-But we had to know our place. -Right. | 0:50:17 | 0:50:21 | |
'Ask at your local Ministry of Labour office or a hospital for details of how to...' | 0:50:21 | 0:50:25 | |
But Sheila didn't accept being an underdog. | 0:50:25 | 0:50:27 | |
After an argument, she left Brodsworth, | 0:50:27 | 0:50:30 | |
later getting a job as an auxiliary nurse in the new National Health Service. | 0:50:30 | 0:50:34 | |
'First you must learn nursing. | 0:50:34 | 0:50:36 | |
'It isn't difficult. While you're learning, you're paid. | 0:50:36 | 0:50:40 | |
'The job is interesting and there's plenty of companionship. | 0:50:40 | 0:50:43 | |
'One day off a week and four weeks paid holiday a year.' | 0:50:43 | 0:50:47 | |
Oh, it was a different life altogether. | 0:50:47 | 0:50:50 | |
How would you explain that? What would you say? | 0:50:50 | 0:50:53 | |
-Well, I had more freedom. -Mm-hm. | 0:50:53 | 0:50:55 | |
I mean, when you were in service, you're confined. | 0:50:55 | 0:50:59 | |
You don't get out, only on your half-day. | 0:50:59 | 0:51:03 | |
But there, I'd do me shift at the hospital, | 0:51:04 | 0:51:08 | |
then I could go out. | 0:51:08 | 0:51:11 | |
I could even go to a cinema, which was unusual for me. | 0:51:11 | 0:51:15 | |
-And how did the money compare? -Oh, better, a lot better. | 0:51:15 | 0:51:19 | |
-So more money, more freedom. -Yeah. | 0:51:19 | 0:51:21 | |
Sheila met her husband, Bob, while he was working in a children's home. | 0:51:23 | 0:51:27 | |
And after you left, did you keep in touch with people here? | 0:51:28 | 0:51:31 | |
We came once, | 0:51:31 | 0:51:33 | |
my husband and me, to talk to Emily. | 0:51:33 | 0:51:37 | |
Well, Mrs Grant-Dalton must have heard our voices. | 0:51:37 | 0:51:40 | |
And she came in, "Oh, Sheila!" she says, "nice to see you again." | 0:51:40 | 0:51:45 | |
And she says, "Who's this?" I said, "My husband." | 0:51:45 | 0:51:47 | |
And she said, "Would you like a job here?" | 0:51:47 | 0:51:51 | |
So he said, "What's it worth?" | 0:51:51 | 0:51:54 | |
So she says, "£4 a week." | 0:51:54 | 0:51:57 | |
What did she want him to do? | 0:51:57 | 0:51:59 | |
She wanted him to be the butler. | 0:51:59 | 0:52:01 | |
"£4 a week and those two rooms, you know, right at the end." | 0:52:01 | 0:52:06 | |
And when we got outside me husband said, "No way," he said, "would I work in a place like that!" | 0:52:06 | 0:52:11 | |
He says, "£4 a week and two scruffy rooms!" | 0:52:12 | 0:52:16 | |
He says, "No way!" | 0:52:16 | 0:52:19 | |
It's interesting, isn't it? Cos it almost sums up the end of formal service, | 0:52:19 | 0:52:24 | |
the end of an era. | 0:52:24 | 0:52:26 | |
You'd had this system for a 100 years or so, and then... | 0:52:26 | 0:52:29 | |
-Because people like you and your husband weren't going to do this work any more. -No. | 0:52:29 | 0:52:32 | |
Sheila was just one of thousands of women who seized with both hands | 0:52:38 | 0:52:42 | |
any chance to leave service, | 0:52:42 | 0:52:44 | |
flocking into jobs in offices, shops and the NHS. | 0:52:44 | 0:52:48 | |
Service was no longer the largest category of female employment. | 0:52:49 | 0:52:54 | |
Typists and clerks were instead. | 0:52:54 | 0:52:56 | |
Now, only 1% of households still employed a live-in servant. | 0:52:59 | 0:53:04 | |
The servant class, as we knew it, had truly disappeared. | 0:53:04 | 0:53:08 | |
So this was, indeed, the end of grand-scale, country house living. | 0:53:11 | 0:53:15 | |
Since the end of the war, 1,000 historic estates have been demolished, | 0:53:15 | 0:53:20 | |
diminished or turned into flats. | 0:53:20 | 0:53:23 | |
Servants quarters were usually the first to be converted to other use, | 0:53:23 | 0:53:27 | |
either storage or the tearoom. | 0:53:27 | 0:53:29 | |
The more entrepreneurial owners, either on their own | 0:53:32 | 0:53:34 | |
or with organisations like the National Trust and English Heritage, | 0:53:34 | 0:53:38 | |
cleverly located themselves as part of the heritage industry. | 0:53:38 | 0:53:43 | |
And the survival of these houses is really important. | 0:53:43 | 0:53:45 | |
They're a vital part of our heritage industry and thousands of people visit them every year. | 0:53:45 | 0:53:51 | |
The houses give us a window into the world of service, a really important one. | 0:53:51 | 0:53:56 | |
But, for me, it's a window that's partially open, half open, | 0:53:56 | 0:54:01 | |
and the view we get through it is pretty rose coloured. | 0:54:01 | 0:54:04 | |
Often the fantasy of service presented in these houses is tinged with a sentimental nostalgia. | 0:54:10 | 0:54:17 | |
Old-fashioned cooking implements, | 0:54:17 | 0:54:19 | |
retro household wares and beautifully recreated food stuffs | 0:54:19 | 0:54:23 | |
from cheeses to game, | 0:54:23 | 0:54:26 | |
are all carefully arranged in the pristinely clean, elegantly painted servants' quarters. | 0:54:26 | 0:54:31 | |
Visitors delight in this visual feast, | 0:54:33 | 0:54:36 | |
but what can't be mocked up is the reality and complexity of the servants' lives. | 0:54:36 | 0:54:42 | |
The memories of most who experienced service were anything but rose tinted. | 0:54:44 | 0:54:48 | |
Margaret Powell's memoirs were published in 1968, | 0:54:48 | 0:54:52 | |
and her candid view of life below stairs chimed with the spirit of the '60s, | 0:54:52 | 0:54:57 | |
when class hierarchies were being questioned like never before. | 0:54:57 | 0:55:01 | |
Her publisher sent her on a book tour. | 0:55:01 | 0:55:04 | |
The first morning she came down to me, she said, | 0:55:05 | 0:55:09 | |
"Cook, have you ever worked for a lady with a title before?" | 0:55:09 | 0:55:13 | |
So I said, "Well, no, I haven't." So she said, "Well, I suppose you know how to address her?" | 0:55:13 | 0:55:18 | |
So I said, "Yes, I suppose I'd say Lady Gibbons." | 0:55:18 | 0:55:21 | |
"Oh, no, you don't!" she said. | 0:55:21 | 0:55:24 | |
"When you're talking TO me you say 'm'lady'. | 0:55:24 | 0:55:28 | |
"And when you're talking OF me to the other servants, you say 'Her Ladyship'." | 0:55:28 | 0:55:33 | |
We generally used to say 'that old cow upstairs'! | 0:55:33 | 0:55:35 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:55:35 | 0:55:38 | |
The public's interest in what Margaret represented | 0:55:41 | 0:55:44 | |
turned her into something of a celebrity. | 0:55:44 | 0:55:46 | |
The BBC sent her to interview the kind of people she might earlier have worked for, | 0:55:46 | 0:55:50 | |
questioning them about how their lives had changed. | 0:55:50 | 0:55:53 | |
MARGARET: 'My host is Hugh Seymour, eighth Marquis of Hertford. | 0:55:53 | 0:55:57 | |
'I'm feeling very grand.' | 0:55:57 | 0:55:59 | |
-How do you do? -Very well, thank you. -Welcome to Ragley. | 0:55:59 | 0:56:02 | |
Do you entertain? I mean, do you have house parties now as they did in the old days? | 0:56:02 | 0:56:07 | |
-Not quite on the scale. We have six or eight people stay every now and then. -You do? | 0:56:07 | 0:56:12 | |
Which I love. I love the idea of having 20 people to stay, | 0:56:12 | 0:56:16 | |
but my wife says there are certain little local difficulties about sort of bed-making and washing-up. | 0:56:16 | 0:56:21 | |
We find it slightly embarrassing nowadays that just occasionally | 0:56:21 | 0:56:25 | |
some elderly friends of ours arrive with a chauffeur | 0:56:25 | 0:56:28 | |
and, of course, our servants' hall is now a tearoom seating 100 people for tea, | 0:56:28 | 0:56:32 | |
and there's nowhere really for the chauffeur to sit. | 0:56:32 | 0:56:35 | |
But what do you think the role is now then of a lord in the 20th century? | 0:56:35 | 0:56:40 | |
Or have they got a role even at all? | 0:56:40 | 0:56:42 | |
I never see myself as having a role as an aristocrat. I have a role as the owner of Ragley. | 0:56:42 | 0:56:47 | |
That's the important thing in my life, owning this gorgeous house. | 0:56:47 | 0:56:50 | |
Today, the rich still have staff to cater to their every need, | 0:56:55 | 0:56:59 | |
and the middle classes still employ nannies and au pairs to watch over the children, | 0:56:59 | 0:57:03 | |
and cleaners to clean the toilets and scrub the steps. | 0:57:03 | 0:57:07 | |
They may no longer be called "servants", and most now come from abroad, | 0:57:07 | 0:57:10 | |
from places like Poland or the Philippines. | 0:57:10 | 0:57:14 | |
Their relationship with their employers | 0:57:14 | 0:57:17 | |
doesn't have the same anxiety and mutual dependence that once lay at the heart | 0:57:17 | 0:57:21 | |
of the master/servant bond. | 0:57:21 | 0:57:23 | |
But they are still largely poor, under-appreciated and invisible, | 0:57:25 | 0:57:30 | |
performing the repetitive, often thankless, | 0:57:30 | 0:57:32 | |
yet essential tasks of domestic service. | 0:57:32 | 0:57:36 | |
Margaret Powell was able to write about service because she was able to leave it and get an education. | 0:57:40 | 0:57:46 | |
My great-grandmothers were servants but they never had that chance, | 0:57:46 | 0:57:50 | |
and I wonder what they would have thought of a Britain | 0:57:50 | 0:57:53 | |
without its traditions of live-in service, | 0:57:53 | 0:57:55 | |
a Britain that no longer has what was once called a "servant class"? | 0:57:55 | 0:58:00 | |
And a country where their great-granddaughter | 0:58:00 | 0:58:02 | |
could choose to go to university, earn a doctorate, | 0:58:02 | 0:58:06 | |
and spend her life wielding a pen instead of a broom? | 0:58:06 | 0:58:10 | |
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