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The torch has been passed to a new generation of Americans, | 0:00:02 | 0:00:08 | |
born in this century, | 0:00:08 | 0:00:10 | |
tempered by war, | 0:00:10 | 0:00:13 | |
disciplined by | 0:00:13 | 0:00:14 | |
a hard and bitter peace. | 0:00:14 | 0:00:16 | |
At 43, John Fitzgerald Kennedy | 0:00:19 | 0:00:22 | |
was the youngest man ever elected President of the United States. | 0:00:22 | 0:00:26 | |
He had promised bold new leadership, and to his supporters, | 0:00:26 | 0:00:30 | |
his inauguration seemed to signal a new day. | 0:00:30 | 0:00:34 | |
To those new states whom we welcome to the ranks of the free, | 0:00:36 | 0:00:41 | |
we pledge our word | 0:00:41 | 0:00:44 | |
that one form of colonial control shall not have passed away | 0:00:44 | 0:00:50 | |
merely to be replaced by a far more iron tyranny. | 0:00:50 | 0:00:54 | |
We shall not always expect to find them supporting our view, | 0:00:55 | 0:01:01 | |
but we shall always hope to find them | 0:01:01 | 0:01:03 | |
strongly supporting their own freedom. | 0:01:03 | 0:01:07 | |
And to remember that, in the past, | 0:01:07 | 0:01:11 | |
those who foolishly sought power | 0:01:11 | 0:01:14 | |
by riding the back of the tiger, | 0:01:14 | 0:01:17 | |
ended up inside. | 0:01:17 | 0:01:18 | |
This programme contains some scenes which some viewers may find upsetting. | 0:01:20 | 0:01:25 | |
The new president gathered around him | 0:01:26 | 0:01:29 | |
an extraordinary set of advisers, | 0:01:29 | 0:01:31 | |
who shared his determination to confront communism. | 0:01:31 | 0:01:35 | |
Including Secretary of Defence, Robert McNamara. | 0:01:35 | 0:01:38 | |
Like the president who picked them, | 0:01:40 | 0:01:42 | |
all of Kennedy's men had served during World War II. | 0:01:42 | 0:01:46 | |
Each had absorbed what they all believed was its central lesson, | 0:01:46 | 0:01:51 | |
ambitious dictatorships needed to be halted in their tracks | 0:01:51 | 0:01:55 | |
before they constituted a serious danger to the peace of the world. | 0:01:55 | 0:02:00 | |
Meanwhile, in South Vietnam, the National Liberation Front, | 0:02:01 | 0:02:06 | |
labelled by its enemies the Viet Cong, | 0:02:06 | 0:02:09 | |
was determined to overthrow the | 0:02:09 | 0:02:11 | |
anti-Communist and increasingly autocratic government | 0:02:11 | 0:02:15 | |
of Ngo Dinh Diem. | 0:02:15 | 0:02:17 | |
In North Vietnam, unbeknownst to Washington, Ho Chi Minh, | 0:02:18 | 0:02:23 | |
the father of Vietnamese independence, | 0:02:23 | 0:02:26 | |
was now sharing power with a more aggressive leader, Le Duan, | 0:02:26 | 0:02:30 | |
who was even more impatient to reunify his country. | 0:02:30 | 0:02:34 | |
None of us knew anything about Vietnam. | 0:02:55 | 0:02:57 | |
Vietnam, in those days, was a piece on a chessboard. | 0:02:59 | 0:03:03 | |
A strategic chessboard. | 0:03:03 | 0:03:05 | |
Not a place with a culture and a history | 0:03:05 | 0:03:08 | |
that we would have an impossible time changing. | 0:03:08 | 0:03:14 | |
Even with the mighty force of the United States. | 0:03:14 | 0:03:17 | |
Over the next three years, | 0:03:18 | 0:03:20 | |
the United States would struggle to understand | 0:03:20 | 0:03:23 | |
the complicated country it had come to save, | 0:03:23 | 0:03:26 | |
fail to appreciate the enemy's resolve, | 0:03:26 | 0:03:30 | |
and misread how the South Vietnamese people | 0:03:30 | 0:03:32 | |
really felt about their government. | 0:03:32 | 0:03:35 | |
The new president would find himself caught | 0:03:37 | 0:03:40 | |
between the momentum of war and the desire for peace. | 0:03:40 | 0:03:44 | |
Between humility and hubris. | 0:03:44 | 0:03:47 | |
Between idealism and expediency. | 0:03:47 | 0:03:51 | |
Between the truth and a lie. | 0:03:51 | 0:03:53 | |
For all of John Kennedy's soaring rhetoric, | 0:04:08 | 0:04:10 | |
for all the talent he gathered around him, | 0:04:10 | 0:04:13 | |
the first months of his presidency did not go well. | 0:04:13 | 0:04:16 | |
He approved a CIA-sponsored invasion of Cuba at the Bay of Pigs | 0:04:17 | 0:04:22 | |
that ended in disaster. | 0:04:22 | 0:04:24 | |
He felt he'd been bullied by Soviet premier Nikita Khrushchev | 0:04:26 | 0:04:30 | |
at a summit meeting in Vienna. | 0:04:30 | 0:04:33 | |
He was unable to keep the Soviets from building the Berlin Wall. | 0:04:33 | 0:04:36 | |
And in Southeast Asia, | 0:04:38 | 0:04:40 | |
he refused to intervene against a Communist insurrection in Laos. | 0:04:40 | 0:04:44 | |
Critics accused him of being immature, indecisive, | 0:04:45 | 0:04:49 | |
inadequate to the task of combating | 0:04:49 | 0:04:52 | |
what seemed to be a mounting Communist threat. | 0:04:52 | 0:04:55 | |
"There are just so many concessions that we can make in one year, | 0:04:56 | 0:05:00 | |
"and survive politically," he confided to an aide | 0:05:00 | 0:05:04 | |
in the spring of 1961. | 0:05:04 | 0:05:06 | |
In South Vietnam, Kennedy felt he had to act. | 0:05:07 | 0:05:11 | |
After the president received reports | 0:05:12 | 0:05:15 | |
that the Viet Cong might be in control | 0:05:15 | 0:05:17 | |
of more than half the densely populated Mekong Delta, | 0:05:17 | 0:05:21 | |
he dispatched General Maxwell Taylor and Walt Rostow to Vietnam. | 0:05:21 | 0:05:26 | |
They urged him to commit American ground troops. | 0:05:27 | 0:05:31 | |
Kennedy refused. | 0:05:31 | 0:05:32 | |
"It would be like taking a first drink," he said, | 0:05:34 | 0:05:36 | |
"The effect would soon wear off, and there would be demands for another, | 0:05:36 | 0:05:41 | |
"and another, and another." | 0:05:41 | 0:05:43 | |
Instead, in the midst of a Cold War, | 0:05:44 | 0:05:47 | |
with its constant risk of nuclear confrontation, | 0:05:47 | 0:05:50 | |
the president sported a new, | 0:05:50 | 0:05:52 | |
flexible way to confront and contain communism. | 0:05:52 | 0:05:57 | |
Limited war. | 0:05:57 | 0:05:58 | |
This is another type of warfare. | 0:05:59 | 0:06:02 | |
New in its intensity, | 0:06:02 | 0:06:04 | |
ancient in its origin - | 0:06:04 | 0:06:06 | |
war by guerrillas, subversives, insurgents, assassins. | 0:06:06 | 0:06:12 | |
War by ambush instead of by combat, | 0:06:12 | 0:06:15 | |
by infiltration instead of aggression. | 0:06:15 | 0:06:18 | |
To fight his limited wars, | 0:06:20 | 0:06:22 | |
Kennedy hoped to use the elite Green Berets, | 0:06:22 | 0:06:26 | |
Special Forces trained in guerrilla warfare - | 0:06:26 | 0:06:29 | |
counterinsurgency. | 0:06:29 | 0:06:31 | |
But Kennedy understood that counterinsurgency alone | 0:06:33 | 0:06:37 | |
would never be enough, | 0:06:37 | 0:06:39 | |
so he doubled funding for South Vietnam's army, | 0:06:39 | 0:06:42 | |
dispatched helicopters and APCs - | 0:06:42 | 0:06:45 | |
armoured personnel carriers. | 0:06:45 | 0:06:47 | |
Kennedy also authorised the use of napalm, | 0:06:50 | 0:06:54 | |
and the spraying of defoliants to deny cover to the Viet Cong, | 0:06:54 | 0:06:58 | |
and destroy the crops that fed them. | 0:06:58 | 0:07:01 | |
A whole array of chemicals was used, | 0:07:03 | 0:07:05 | |
including one named for the colour of the stripes | 0:07:05 | 0:07:09 | |
on the 55 gallon drums in which it came, Agent Orange. | 0:07:09 | 0:07:14 | |
And the president quietly continued to increase | 0:07:15 | 0:07:18 | |
the number of American military advisers. | 0:07:18 | 0:07:21 | |
Within two years, | 0:07:22 | 0:07:24 | |
the number he had inherited | 0:07:24 | 0:07:27 | |
would grow to 11,300, | 0:07:27 | 0:07:31 | |
empowered not only to teach | 0:07:31 | 0:07:33 | |
the Army of the Republic of Vietnam - the ARVN - | 0:07:33 | 0:07:36 | |
to fight a conventional war, but to accompany them into battle, | 0:07:36 | 0:07:40 | |
a violation of the agreement that had divided Vietnam back in 1954. | 0:07:40 | 0:07:45 | |
The administration did its best to hide from the American people | 0:07:48 | 0:07:53 | |
the scale of the build-up that was taking place | 0:07:53 | 0:07:55 | |
on the other side of the world, | 0:07:55 | 0:07:57 | |
fearful that the public would not support | 0:07:57 | 0:08:00 | |
the more active role advisers had begun to play in combat. | 0:08:00 | 0:08:05 | |
Mr President, the Republican National Committee publication has said that you are... | 0:08:05 | 0:08:11 | |
have been, less than candid with the American people as to how deeply we | 0:08:11 | 0:08:16 | |
are involved in Vietnam. | 0:08:16 | 0:08:19 | |
Could you throw any more light on that? | 0:08:19 | 0:08:21 | |
We have increased our assistance to the government, its logistics. | 0:08:21 | 0:08:25 | |
We have not sent combat troops there, | 0:08:25 | 0:08:27 | |
though the training missions that we have there have been instructed | 0:08:27 | 0:08:31 | |
if they are fired upon, they are too, of course, fire back | 0:08:31 | 0:08:35 | |
to protect themselves, but we have not sent combat troops | 0:08:35 | 0:08:38 | |
in the generally understood sense of the word. | 0:08:38 | 0:08:41 | |
So, I feel that we are... | 0:08:41 | 0:08:43 | |
..being as frank as we can be. | 0:08:44 | 0:08:46 | |
What I have said to you is a description of our activity there. | 0:08:48 | 0:08:52 | |
I was a child of the Cold War. | 0:08:57 | 0:08:59 | |
When I got off the plane in Saigon | 0:09:00 | 0:09:03 | |
on a humid evening in April 1962, | 0:09:03 | 0:09:06 | |
I really believed in all the | 0:09:06 | 0:09:08 | |
ideology of the Cold War. | 0:09:08 | 0:09:09 | |
That if we lost South Vietnam, | 0:09:10 | 0:09:13 | |
the rest of Southeast Asia would fall to the Communists. | 0:09:13 | 0:09:17 | |
There was an international Communist conspiracy. | 0:09:17 | 0:09:20 | |
We believed fervently in this stuff. | 0:09:20 | 0:09:22 | |
Neil Sheehan was a 25-year-old reporter | 0:09:23 | 0:09:26 | |
for United Press International, UPI. | 0:09:26 | 0:09:29 | |
He had served three years in the Army | 0:09:29 | 0:09:33 | |
in Korea and Japan before deciding to become a newspaperman. | 0:09:33 | 0:09:37 | |
Vietnam was his first, full-time overseas assignment, | 0:09:37 | 0:09:41 | |
and his only worry, he remembered, | 0:09:41 | 0:09:43 | |
was that he would get there too late | 0:09:43 | 0:09:45 | |
and miss out on the big story. | 0:09:45 | 0:09:47 | |
Sheehan and other reporters rode along | 0:09:48 | 0:09:51 | |
as the ARVN mounted a series of helicopter assaults | 0:09:51 | 0:09:54 | |
on enemy strongholds in the Mekong Delta and elsewhere, | 0:09:54 | 0:09:58 | |
and brought terror to the Viet Cong. | 0:09:58 | 0:10:01 | |
American pilots were at the controls. | 0:10:02 | 0:10:05 | |
It was a crusade, and it was thrilling. | 0:10:06 | 0:10:08 | |
And you'd climb aboard the helicopters | 0:10:10 | 0:10:12 | |
with the Vietnamese soldiers who were being taken out to battle, | 0:10:12 | 0:10:16 | |
and you believed in what was happening. | 0:10:16 | 0:10:18 | |
I mean, you had the sense that we're fighting here, and someday, | 0:10:18 | 0:10:22 | |
we'll win, and this country will be a better country for our coming. | 0:10:22 | 0:10:26 | |
The new M113 armoured personnel carriers | 0:10:26 | 0:10:30 | |
were capable of churning across rivers and rice paddies, | 0:10:30 | 0:10:34 | |
and right through the earth and dykes | 0:10:34 | 0:10:36 | |
that separated one field from the next. | 0:10:36 | 0:10:39 | |
The Viet Cong had nothing with which to stop them. | 0:10:40 | 0:10:43 | |
We have some people running along the dykes. | 0:10:46 | 0:10:48 | |
Actually, the canal is perpendicular to the one you're attacking now. | 0:10:48 | 0:10:53 | |
They have on black uniforms, | 0:10:53 | 0:10:54 | |
and I estimate approximately 30. | 0:10:54 | 0:10:57 | |
That's what was causing us to win, you see. | 0:10:59 | 0:11:02 | |
We were winning one after the other. | 0:11:02 | 0:11:05 | |
And we were not meeting a heck of a lot of resistance. | 0:11:05 | 0:11:08 | |
As the ARVN and their advisers pursued the Viet Cong, | 0:11:10 | 0:11:13 | |
the government of Ngo Dinh Diem | 0:11:13 | 0:11:15 | |
had launched an ambitious programme | 0:11:15 | 0:11:18 | |
meant to gain control of the countryside | 0:11:18 | 0:11:21 | |
by concentrating the rural population | 0:11:21 | 0:11:24 | |
into thousands of fortified settlements. | 0:11:24 | 0:11:27 | |
Ringed with barbed wire and moats, and bamboo spikes | 0:11:27 | 0:11:31 | |
meant to keep out the Viet Cong. | 0:11:31 | 0:11:34 | |
They were called strategic hamlets. | 0:11:34 | 0:11:37 | |
Part of the effort to win the hearts and minds, | 0:11:37 | 0:11:40 | |
and loyalty of the Vietnamese people. | 0:11:40 | 0:11:42 | |
The French had tried something like it a decade before. | 0:11:44 | 0:11:48 | |
They had called it pacification. | 0:11:48 | 0:11:50 | |
President Diem's Strategic Hamlet Program | 0:11:52 | 0:11:55 | |
is making substantial progress. | 0:11:55 | 0:11:57 | |
About 1,600 of the some 14,000 hamlets | 0:11:57 | 0:12:02 | |
have been fortified to date. | 0:12:02 | 0:12:05 | |
By the summer of 1962, news from South Vietnam seemed so promising | 0:12:05 | 0:12:11 | |
that Defense Secretary Robert McNamara | 0:12:11 | 0:12:14 | |
made sure the Pentagon was prepared to implement a plan | 0:12:14 | 0:12:18 | |
for a gradual withdrawal of American advisers, to be completed by 1965. | 0:12:18 | 0:12:24 | |
So far as most Americans knew, | 0:12:25 | 0:12:27 | |
the United States was achieving its goal. | 0:12:27 | 0:12:31 | |
A stable, independent, anti-Communist state | 0:12:31 | 0:12:34 | |
in South Vietnam. | 0:12:34 | 0:12:36 | |
"It was a struggle this country cannot shirk," | 0:12:38 | 0:12:41 | |
The New York Times said, | 0:12:41 | 0:12:43 | |
"And the United States seem to be winning it." | 0:12:43 | 0:12:45 | |
But that same summer, | 0:12:49 | 0:12:51 | |
Ho Chi Minh travelled to Beijing | 0:12:51 | 0:12:53 | |
in search of more help from the Chinese. | 0:12:53 | 0:12:55 | |
The American build-up in South Vietnam had alarmed him | 0:12:56 | 0:13:00 | |
and the other leaders in Hanoi. | 0:13:00 | 0:13:03 | |
Ho told the Chinese that American attacks on North Vietnam itself | 0:13:03 | 0:13:08 | |
now seemed only a matter of time. | 0:13:08 | 0:13:10 | |
The Chinese promised to equip and arm | 0:13:12 | 0:13:15 | |
tens of thousands of Vietnamese soldiers. | 0:13:15 | 0:13:18 | |
Meanwhile, the Politburo in Hanoi | 0:13:19 | 0:13:21 | |
had directed that every able-bodied North Vietnamese man | 0:13:21 | 0:13:26 | |
be required to serve in the Armed Forces. | 0:13:26 | 0:13:29 | |
People used to joke in Vietnam about winning the hearts and minds, | 0:13:56 | 0:14:00 | |
and you hear that expression, | 0:14:00 | 0:14:02 | |
but that should not be a joke. | 0:14:02 | 0:14:04 | |
It's a serious, serious problem. | 0:14:04 | 0:14:06 | |
If you pull off a military operation, | 0:14:06 | 0:14:10 | |
and it may be successful on a military basis, | 0:14:10 | 0:14:13 | |
but you destroy a village, | 0:14:13 | 0:14:15 | |
then you've created a village of resistance. | 0:14:15 | 0:14:19 | |
The important thing was not to alienate the population. | 0:14:19 | 0:14:23 | |
If you got sniper fire from the hamlet, | 0:14:23 | 0:14:25 | |
you send in riflemen to take out the sniper. | 0:14:25 | 0:14:28 | |
You didn't shell the place | 0:14:28 | 0:14:29 | |
because you were going to kill women and kids, and destroy houses, | 0:14:29 | 0:14:33 | |
and you were going to turn the population against you. | 0:14:33 | 0:14:36 | |
Most press coverage of Vietnam was upbeat, | 0:14:37 | 0:14:41 | |
in the tradition of previous wars. | 0:14:41 | 0:14:43 | |
But a handful of young reporters were beginning to see that from the | 0:14:44 | 0:14:48 | |
Vietnamese countryside, | 0:14:48 | 0:14:50 | |
things looked very different than they did from the press offices in | 0:14:50 | 0:14:54 | |
Washington or Saigon. | 0:14:54 | 0:14:56 | |
So it was terribly important that we not only win the war, | 0:14:58 | 0:15:01 | |
but that we as reporters report the truth | 0:15:01 | 0:15:04 | |
that would help to win the war. | 0:15:04 | 0:15:07 | |
We were very fervent in wanting to report the truth | 0:15:07 | 0:15:10 | |
because it was very important to the welfare of our country, | 0:15:10 | 0:15:13 | |
and to the welfare of the world. | 0:15:13 | 0:15:15 | |
Sheehan and his colleagues began asking tough questions | 0:15:17 | 0:15:20 | |
about what constituted progress, | 0:15:20 | 0:15:23 | |
what victory would look like, and if the people in the countryside, | 0:15:23 | 0:15:27 | |
where 80% of South Vietnam's population lived, | 0:15:27 | 0:15:31 | |
could ever trust the Government in Saigon. | 0:15:31 | 0:15:34 | |
I remember going, during one of Robert McNamara's visits, | 0:15:37 | 0:15:40 | |
out to one of these hamlets. | 0:15:40 | 0:15:42 | |
The Vietnamese general command of the area | 0:15:42 | 0:15:44 | |
was telling McNamara what a wonderful thing this was, | 0:15:44 | 0:15:46 | |
and some of these farmers were down, | 0:15:46 | 0:15:48 | |
digging a ditch around the hamlet. | 0:15:48 | 0:15:52 | |
I looked at their faces, and they were really angry. | 0:15:52 | 0:15:55 | |
I mean, it was very obvious to me | 0:15:57 | 0:15:59 | |
that if these people could, they'd cut our throats. | 0:15:59 | 0:16:02 | |
Farmers resented being forced to abandon their homes | 0:16:06 | 0:16:10 | |
and move to strategic hamlets. | 0:16:10 | 0:16:13 | |
Corrupt officials siphoned off funds, | 0:16:13 | 0:16:16 | |
and villagers blamed the Diem regime | 0:16:16 | 0:16:18 | |
for failing to protect them from guerrilla attacks. | 0:16:18 | 0:16:22 | |
As the people's anger grew, | 0:16:23 | 0:16:25 | |
so did the ranks of the Viet Cong. | 0:16:25 | 0:16:27 | |
It turned out that the Viet Cong were recruiting men | 0:16:29 | 0:16:33 | |
right out of those so-called strategic hamlets. | 0:16:33 | 0:16:36 | |
And then the whole programme fell apart. | 0:16:36 | 0:16:38 | |
Nguyen Ngoc's father was a postal clerk south of Da Nang. | 0:17:02 | 0:17:06 | |
His brothers and sisters taught in South Vietnamese schools, | 0:17:06 | 0:17:10 | |
but he joined the revolution, | 0:17:10 | 0:17:12 | |
and as a political officer, wrote poems, | 0:17:12 | 0:17:15 | |
songs and slogans to inspire the people in the countryside | 0:17:15 | 0:17:20 | |
to support the Viet Cong. | 0:17:20 | 0:17:21 | |
The Viet Cong cavalry would come in and talk to them, | 0:17:23 | 0:17:28 | |
and their message is usually, "Bien dau buon cua minh thanh hanh dong," | 0:17:28 | 0:17:33 | |
which means, "Turn your grief into action. | 0:17:33 | 0:17:36 | |
"Do something about it. | 0:17:36 | 0:17:37 | |
"Join us. | 0:17:37 | 0:17:38 | |
"We'll fight together. We'll liberate the country | 0:17:39 | 0:17:43 | |
"from this corrupt, unjust government. | 0:17:43 | 0:17:45 | |
"We'll throw out the foreigners. | 0:17:45 | 0:17:47 | |
"We'll reunify the country, | 0:17:47 | 0:17:50 | |
"and we'll bring in this great regime that will take care of you, | 0:17:50 | 0:17:53 | |
"and bring economic and social justice." | 0:17:53 | 0:17:56 | |
Secretary McNamara decided that he would draw up some kind of a chart | 0:17:59 | 0:18:04 | |
to determine whether we were winning or not. | 0:18:04 | 0:18:07 | |
And he was putting things in, | 0:18:08 | 0:18:11 | |
like numbers of weapons recovered, | 0:18:11 | 0:18:14 | |
numbers of Viet Cong killed... | 0:18:14 | 0:18:16 | |
Very statistical. | 0:18:16 | 0:18:18 | |
And he asked head of Special Operations, Edward Lansdale, | 0:18:22 | 0:18:26 | |
to come down and look at this. | 0:18:26 | 0:18:28 | |
And so Lansdale did, and he said, | 0:18:28 | 0:18:30 | |
"There's something missing. | 0:18:30 | 0:18:32 | |
"The feelings of the Vietnamese people." | 0:18:32 | 0:18:35 | |
You couldn't reduce this to a statistic. | 0:18:35 | 0:18:38 | |
Robert McNamara had vowed to make America's military cost-effective. | 0:18:40 | 0:18:46 | |
He demanded that everything be quantified. | 0:18:46 | 0:18:48 | |
In Saigon, General Paul D Harkins, | 0:18:50 | 0:18:53 | |
head of the Military Assistance Command Vietnam, known as MACV, | 0:18:53 | 0:18:58 | |
dutifully complied. | 0:18:58 | 0:19:00 | |
He and his staff generated mountains of daily, weekly, | 0:19:00 | 0:19:04 | |
monthly and quarterly data, | 0:19:04 | 0:19:07 | |
on more than 100 separate indicators. | 0:19:07 | 0:19:10 | |
Far more data than could ever be adequately analysed. | 0:19:10 | 0:19:14 | |
Punctuated by bouts of violence, | 0:19:19 | 0:19:21 | |
as government forces come to grips with the black clad Communist | 0:19:21 | 0:19:25 | |
rebel forces called the Viet Cong. | 0:19:25 | 0:19:26 | |
The country's 12 million peasants | 0:19:29 | 0:19:31 | |
can scarcely remember what peace was like. | 0:19:31 | 0:19:33 | |
On our side, we were not as committed, and we were, um... | 0:21:31 | 0:21:36 | |
Our leaders were corrupt and incompetent. | 0:21:38 | 0:21:40 | |
And so, deep down, we always had this fear, | 0:21:40 | 0:21:46 | |
this suspicion that, | 0:21:46 | 0:21:49 | |
in the end, it would be the Communists that would win. | 0:21:49 | 0:21:51 | |
When John Kennedy assembled what he thinks is | 0:21:53 | 0:21:56 | |
the best and the brightest, | 0:21:56 | 0:21:58 | |
20 years before that, | 0:21:58 | 0:22:00 | |
in a cave in the northern part of Vietnam, | 0:22:00 | 0:22:04 | |
Ho Chi Minh also put together his best and brightest. | 0:22:04 | 0:22:07 | |
And these guys are at it for a while. | 0:22:07 | 0:22:10 | |
And when we show up, they were far along to consolidating their victory | 0:22:11 | 0:22:18 | |
over this inevitable conflict | 0:22:18 | 0:22:21 | |
between Ho Chi Minh and John F Kennedy's vision. | 0:22:21 | 0:22:24 | |
The more you think about the American strategy... | 0:22:25 | 0:22:28 | |
..the more you... | 0:22:30 | 0:22:32 | |
..know that it was never going to work out particularly well. | 0:22:33 | 0:22:36 | |
I was at my top of my game when I was in combat. | 0:22:52 | 0:22:57 | |
You don't have the luxury to indulge your fear, | 0:23:02 | 0:23:05 | |
because other people's lives depend upon you keeping your head cold. | 0:23:05 | 0:23:08 | |
You know, when something goes wrong, | 0:23:18 | 0:23:21 | |
they call it emotional numbing, | 0:23:21 | 0:23:22 | |
it's not very good in civilian life, | 0:23:22 | 0:23:24 | |
but it's pretty useful in combat. | 0:23:24 | 0:23:27 | |
HEAVY BREATHING | 0:23:27 | 0:23:30 | |
To be able to get absolutely very cold about what needs to be done. | 0:23:38 | 0:23:43 | |
And to stick with it. | 0:23:44 | 0:23:46 | |
To me, it's a little bit distressing to realise that I was at my best, | 0:23:52 | 0:23:57 | |
doing something as terrible as war. | 0:23:57 | 0:23:59 | |
President Kennedy has staked his reputation in Asia | 0:24:09 | 0:24:12 | |
on saving South Vietnam from communism. | 0:24:12 | 0:24:14 | |
As the army makes the sweep towards | 0:24:15 | 0:24:17 | |
a village suspected of harbouring Viet Cong, | 0:24:17 | 0:24:19 | |
it can't tell whether it will meet resistance. | 0:24:19 | 0:24:21 | |
The troops round up all the young men they can find, | 0:24:28 | 0:24:31 | |
since they can't tell who is a Communist just by looking. | 0:24:31 | 0:24:34 | |
Those who try to run for it are shot | 0:24:36 | 0:24:38 | |
on the assumption they've something to hide. | 0:24:38 | 0:24:41 | |
Back home, Americans were paying little attention | 0:25:37 | 0:25:41 | |
to what was happening in Vietnam. | 0:25:41 | 0:25:43 | |
They were watching The Beverly Hillbillies and Gunsmoke on TV. | 0:25:43 | 0:25:48 | |
They were interested in whether | 0:25:48 | 0:25:50 | |
the Yankees would win the World Series again, | 0:25:50 | 0:25:53 | |
and in the recent death of Marilyn Monroe. | 0:25:53 | 0:25:55 | |
But some Americans had been growing impatient | 0:25:59 | 0:26:02 | |
with the slow pace of social change. | 0:26:02 | 0:26:05 | |
We were told in the '50s | 0:26:05 | 0:26:07 | |
that we lived in the best country in the world. | 0:26:07 | 0:26:10 | |
In the middle of, you know, | 0:26:10 | 0:26:12 | |
trying to figure out what it meant to be | 0:26:12 | 0:26:15 | |
a citizen of this best country in the world, | 0:26:15 | 0:26:17 | |
suddenly, the civil rights movement exploded | 0:26:17 | 0:26:20 | |
into our consciousness. | 0:26:20 | 0:26:22 | |
We didn't think we had any power. | 0:26:28 | 0:26:31 | |
We didn't think we could be actors in history. | 0:26:31 | 0:26:34 | |
That we could affect things. | 0:26:34 | 0:26:35 | |
And suddenly, you know, | 0:26:44 | 0:26:45 | |
these young, black students in the south were doing exactly that. | 0:26:45 | 0:26:49 | |
And it just blew the tops of our heads off. | 0:26:49 | 0:26:52 | |
MUSIC: Stand By Me By Ben E King | 0:26:54 | 0:27:00 | |
Diem was simply the opposite of what democracy was. | 0:27:25 | 0:27:30 | |
South Vietnam in the competition against the North, | 0:27:31 | 0:27:35 | |
that should have been | 0:27:35 | 0:27:39 | |
the golden opportunity to have that society open | 0:27:39 | 0:27:44 | |
with the free press, and free expression. | 0:27:44 | 0:27:46 | |
But there was not much choice | 0:27:48 | 0:27:50 | |
if the two systems are structurally dictator and oppressive systems, | 0:27:50 | 0:27:57 | |
one under the Communist Party, one under a family. | 0:27:57 | 0:28:01 | |
Diem's brother, Ngo Dinh Nhu, | 0:28:20 | 0:28:22 | |
ran a personal political party that mirrored | 0:28:22 | 0:28:25 | |
the techniques and the ruthlessness of the Communists | 0:28:25 | 0:28:29 | |
and supervised a host of internal security units | 0:28:29 | 0:28:33 | |
that spied on, and seized, | 0:28:33 | 0:28:35 | |
enemies of the regime. | 0:28:35 | 0:28:36 | |
Some reporters who probed too deeply into what Diem and Nhu were doing | 0:28:38 | 0:28:43 | |
were ordered out of the country. | 0:28:43 | 0:28:45 | |
When an American journalist objected, | 0:28:47 | 0:28:49 | |
Nhu's sharp-tongued wife told him, | 0:28:49 | 0:28:52 | |
"Vietnam had no use for your crazy freedoms." | 0:28:52 | 0:28:56 | |
What we should have done is either forced the Vietnamese, | 0:28:57 | 0:29:01 | |
I mean, really forced them to clean up their act, | 0:29:01 | 0:29:05 | |
and if they wouldn't clean up their act, | 0:29:05 | 0:29:07 | |
to say, "We're out of here." | 0:29:07 | 0:29:09 | |
Because we don't bet on losing horses. | 0:29:10 | 0:29:13 | |
This is a losing horse. | 0:29:13 | 0:29:15 | |
You are not going to win this insurgency. | 0:29:15 | 0:29:18 | |
We, as Americans, | 0:29:18 | 0:29:19 | |
should have understood the desire of the Vietnamese people | 0:29:19 | 0:29:22 | |
to have their own country. | 0:29:22 | 0:29:23 | |
I mean... We did the same thing to the Brits. | 0:29:25 | 0:29:28 | |
In a few days after Christmas 1962, | 0:29:30 | 0:29:34 | |
the seventh ARVN division got orders | 0:29:34 | 0:29:37 | |
to capture a Viet Cong radio transmitter | 0:29:37 | 0:29:40 | |
broadcasting from a spot some 40 miles south-west of Saigon, | 0:29:40 | 0:29:44 | |
in a village called Tan Thoi. | 0:29:44 | 0:29:47 | |
The village was surrounded by rice paddies, | 0:29:47 | 0:29:50 | |
an irrigation dyke linked it to a neighbouring hamlet, Ap Bac. | 0:29:50 | 0:29:55 | |
At 6:35 in the morning, on January second, 1963, | 0:29:57 | 0:30:02 | |
ten American helicopters ferried an ARVN company | 0:30:02 | 0:30:06 | |
to a spot just north of Tan Thoi. | 0:30:06 | 0:30:09 | |
They met no resistance. | 0:30:12 | 0:30:14 | |
Meanwhile, two South Vietnamese civil guard battalions | 0:30:15 | 0:30:19 | |
approached Ap Bac from the South on foot. | 0:30:19 | 0:30:22 | |
Facing them was Le Quan Cong, | 0:30:25 | 0:30:27 | |
who had been a guerrilla fighter since 1951, when he was 12. | 0:30:27 | 0:30:32 | |
The Viet Cong Commander let the civil guards get within 100 feet, | 0:30:47 | 0:30:51 | |
before giving the order to fire. | 0:30:51 | 0:30:53 | |
Several South Vietnamese soldiers were killed. | 0:30:56 | 0:30:59 | |
Survivors hid behind a dyke. | 0:31:03 | 0:31:05 | |
Ten more helicopters filled with troops, | 0:31:09 | 0:31:12 | |
and escorted by five helicopter gunships, roared in to help. | 0:31:12 | 0:31:16 | |
Viet Cong machine guns hit 14 of the 15 aircraft. | 0:31:43 | 0:31:48 | |
Five would be destroyed, killing and wounding American crewmen. | 0:31:48 | 0:31:52 | |
The enemy concentrated their fire on the ARVN | 0:32:02 | 0:32:05 | |
struggling to get out of the downed helicopters. | 0:32:05 | 0:32:08 | |
It was like shooting ducks for the Viet Cong, | 0:32:08 | 0:32:11 | |
and American crewmen remember. | 0:32:11 | 0:32:13 | |
Captain James Scanlon was an adviser to the seventh division of the ARVN. | 0:32:14 | 0:32:20 | |
It would take him an hour to convince his ARVN counterpart | 0:32:20 | 0:32:23 | |
to mount a rescue using a unit of APCs. | 0:32:23 | 0:32:28 | |
Another two hours were lost before the APCs | 0:32:28 | 0:32:31 | |
could make their way through the paddies towards the trapped men. | 0:32:31 | 0:32:34 | |
By that time, the firing had died down. | 0:32:36 | 0:32:38 | |
Everything was quiet. | 0:32:40 | 0:32:41 | |
You could see the open expanse of rice fields, | 0:32:41 | 0:32:44 | |
and my reaction was, "Hey, it was all over." | 0:32:44 | 0:32:48 | |
The first two APCs drop their ramps. | 0:32:48 | 0:32:51 | |
Infantry squad stepped out, | 0:32:51 | 0:32:53 | |
prepared to spray the tree line with automatic fire as they advanced. | 0:32:53 | 0:32:58 | |
In the past, that had been enough to make the Viet Cong scurry away. | 0:32:58 | 0:33:03 | |
This time was different. | 0:33:04 | 0:33:06 | |
Eight of the APCs came under attack. | 0:33:09 | 0:33:12 | |
Within minutes, six of their gunners had been killed, | 0:33:12 | 0:33:15 | |
shot through the head. | 0:33:15 | 0:33:17 | |
And, boy, we got wrecked. | 0:33:18 | 0:33:21 | |
So it was like a pool table, we were on the green | 0:33:21 | 0:33:24 | |
and they were in the pocket, shooting at us. | 0:33:24 | 0:33:26 | |
That night, the Viet Cong melted away. | 0:33:29 | 0:33:32 | |
In the end, at least 80 | 0:33:34 | 0:33:35 | |
South Vietnamese soldiers had been killed. | 0:33:35 | 0:33:39 | |
So had three American advisers, including captain Ken Good. | 0:33:39 | 0:33:44 | |
We stacked the bomber personnel carriers with bodies, | 0:33:48 | 0:33:52 | |
stacked them up on top until we couldn't stack any more. | 0:33:52 | 0:33:56 | |
And I wouldn't let the Vietnamese touch the Americans. | 0:33:56 | 0:34:00 | |
So I carried the Americans out | 0:34:02 | 0:34:05 | |
and, um, and I was exhausted. | 0:34:05 | 0:34:10 | |
They told me about Ken Good getting killed. | 0:34:10 | 0:34:14 | |
And Ken and I had worked so hard with our two battalions, | 0:34:16 | 0:34:19 | |
and to hear that he got killed hurt. | 0:34:19 | 0:34:23 | |
Great guy. | 0:34:26 | 0:34:27 | |
Back in Saigon, General Harkins immediately declared victory. | 0:34:30 | 0:34:35 | |
"The ARVN forces had an objective," he said. | 0:34:35 | 0:34:38 | |
"We took that objective, the VC left, | 0:34:38 | 0:34:41 | |
"and their casualties were greater than those of the government forces. | 0:34:41 | 0:34:46 | |
"What more do you want?" | 0:34:46 | 0:34:48 | |
Ap Bac was terribly important. | 0:34:50 | 0:34:52 | |
They shot down five helicopters | 0:34:52 | 0:34:54 | |
which they previously were terrified of. | 0:34:54 | 0:34:56 | |
They'd stopped the armoured personnel carriers. | 0:34:58 | 0:35:00 | |
They demonstrated to their own people | 0:35:01 | 0:35:03 | |
that you could resist the Americans and win. | 0:35:03 | 0:35:06 | |
In Hanoi, the Battle of Ap Bac was seen by | 0:35:26 | 0:35:29 | |
party First Secretary Le Duan | 0:35:29 | 0:35:31 | |
and his Politburo allies, | 0:35:31 | 0:35:34 | |
as evidence of the inherent weakness of the South Vietnamese regime. | 0:35:34 | 0:35:38 | |
"We don't have a prayer of staying in Vietnam," | 0:35:40 | 0:35:43 | |
President Kennedy privately told a friend that spring. | 0:35:43 | 0:35:48 | |
"These people hate us. | 0:35:48 | 0:35:50 | |
"But I can't give up a piece of territory | 0:35:50 | 0:35:53 | |
"like that to the Communists | 0:35:53 | 0:35:55 | |
"and then get the people to re-elect me". | 0:35:55 | 0:35:57 | |
Buddhist monks and nuns are joined by thousands of sympathisers | 0:36:05 | 0:36:08 | |
to protest the government's restrictions | 0:36:08 | 0:36:11 | |
on the practice of their religion in South Vietnam. | 0:36:11 | 0:36:14 | |
Diem began by alienating the rural population, | 0:36:14 | 0:36:18 | |
and that started the Viet Cong. | 0:36:18 | 0:36:20 | |
Now he was alienating the urban population. | 0:36:20 | 0:36:23 | |
In the months that followed the Battle of Ap Bac, | 0:36:24 | 0:36:27 | |
South Vietnam plunged into civil strife | 0:36:27 | 0:36:31 | |
that had little to do with the Viet Cong. | 0:36:31 | 0:36:33 | |
Religion and nationalism where at its heart. | 0:36:35 | 0:36:37 | |
The Catholic minority had for years | 0:36:39 | 0:36:41 | |
dominated the government of an overwhelmingly Buddhist country. | 0:36:41 | 0:36:45 | |
That spring, in the city of Hue, | 0:36:47 | 0:36:50 | |
Christian flags had been flown to celebrate | 0:36:50 | 0:36:53 | |
the 25th anniversary of the ordination of Diem's older brother | 0:36:53 | 0:36:57 | |
as a Catholic bishop. | 0:36:57 | 0:36:59 | |
But when the Buddhists of the city flew their flags | 0:37:02 | 0:37:07 | |
to celebrate the 2,527th birthday of Lord Buddha, | 0:37:07 | 0:37:11 | |
police tore them down. | 0:37:11 | 0:37:13 | |
Protesters took to the streets. | 0:37:14 | 0:37:16 | |
The Catholic Deputy Province Chief | 0:37:19 | 0:37:21 | |
sent security forces to suppress the demonstration. | 0:37:21 | 0:37:24 | |
The soldiers opened fire. | 0:37:25 | 0:37:27 | |
Eight protesters died. | 0:37:28 | 0:37:30 | |
The youngest was 12. | 0:37:31 | 0:37:34 | |
The oldest was 20. | 0:37:34 | 0:37:36 | |
My mother was convinced that Diem was destroying the Buddhist faith. | 0:37:38 | 0:37:43 | |
She would go to the pagodas and listen to the monks' speeches, | 0:37:44 | 0:37:49 | |
and she was just extremely upset. | 0:37:49 | 0:37:52 | |
She was not alone, there was a lot of people like her. | 0:37:53 | 0:37:56 | |
American officials urged Diem and his brother Nhu | 0:37:58 | 0:38:02 | |
to make meaningful concessions to the Buddhists | 0:38:02 | 0:38:05 | |
for the sake of maintaining unity | 0:38:05 | 0:38:08 | |
in the struggle against communism. | 0:38:08 | 0:38:10 | |
They refused. | 0:38:10 | 0:38:13 | |
On June 10th, 1963, | 0:38:14 | 0:38:17 | |
Malcolm Browne of the Associated Press | 0:38:17 | 0:38:19 | |
received an anonymous tip - | 0:38:19 | 0:38:22 | |
something important was going to happen the next day | 0:38:22 | 0:38:26 | |
at a major intersection in Saigon. | 0:38:26 | 0:38:28 | |
He took his camera. | 0:38:29 | 0:38:31 | |
To protest the Diem regime's repression, | 0:38:39 | 0:38:43 | |
a 73-year-old monk named Quang Duc set himself on fire. | 0:38:43 | 0:38:47 | |
As a large, hushed crowd watched him burn to death, | 0:39:06 | 0:39:11 | |
another monk repeated, over and over again | 0:39:11 | 0:39:15 | |
in English and Vietnamese, | 0:39:15 | 0:39:18 | |
"A Buddhist monk becomes a martyr. | 0:39:18 | 0:39:21 | |
"A Buddhist monk becomes a martyr." | 0:39:21 | 0:39:23 | |
I remember they held the ashes of | 0:39:30 | 0:39:33 | |
the monk who burned himself to death, | 0:39:33 | 0:39:36 | |
or it was kept in one of the main pagodas. | 0:39:36 | 0:39:38 | |
And lines of people came to pass by it. | 0:39:39 | 0:39:43 | |
And I saw these women, not rich women, | 0:39:43 | 0:39:45 | |
ordinary Vietnamese women, | 0:39:45 | 0:39:48 | |
take off the one piece of gold they had on them, their wedding ring, | 0:39:48 | 0:39:51 | |
and drop it in the bottle to contribute to the struggle. | 0:39:51 | 0:39:55 | |
And I thought to myself, "This regime is over. | 0:39:57 | 0:40:00 | |
"It's the end." | 0:40:00 | 0:40:01 | |
Soon, other monks would become martyrs. | 0:40:05 | 0:40:08 | |
Fresh outbursts by Madame Nhu only made things worse. | 0:40:11 | 0:40:16 | |
Burning monks made her clap her hands, she said, | 0:40:17 | 0:40:20 | |
if more monks wanted to burn themselves, | 0:40:20 | 0:40:23 | |
she would provide the matches. | 0:40:23 | 0:40:25 | |
The only thing they have done, they have barbecued | 0:40:26 | 0:40:31 | |
one of their monks | 0:40:31 | 0:40:34 | |
whom they have intoxicated, whom they have abused the confidence. | 0:40:34 | 0:40:40 | |
Even that barbecuing was done not even with self-sufficient means | 0:40:40 | 0:40:46 | |
because they use imported gasoline. | 0:40:46 | 0:40:50 | |
They felt she was arrogant, she was power hungry, | 0:40:51 | 0:40:55 | |
they suspected her and her husband of being corrupt. | 0:40:55 | 0:40:59 | |
Nhu ran the secret police, which arrested and tortured people. | 0:40:59 | 0:41:04 | |
People feared the Diem regime, | 0:41:06 | 0:41:08 | |
perhaps more than they feared it, they really hated it. | 0:41:08 | 0:41:12 | |
Students, including many Catholics, | 0:41:14 | 0:41:17 | |
rallied to the Buddhist cause. | 0:41:17 | 0:41:20 | |
So did some army officers. | 0:41:20 | 0:41:21 | |
People among the military had to ask the question, | 0:41:23 | 0:41:27 | |
"Can we continue with this kind of situation like that | 0:41:27 | 0:41:30 | |
"when the whole country was almost burning | 0:41:30 | 0:41:33 | |
"with the protests from the Buddhists?" | 0:41:33 | 0:41:37 | |
I first became aware of Vietnam because of a burning monk. | 0:41:40 | 0:41:44 | |
We had watched the | 0:41:47 | 0:41:49 | |
civil rights movement in the south, | 0:41:49 | 0:41:52 | |
and it had set the standard for us, | 0:41:52 | 0:41:56 | |
to stand up against injustice. | 0:41:56 | 0:41:58 | |
To allow yourself to be beaten up, | 0:41:59 | 0:42:02 | |
to allow yourself to be attacked by a dog, or hit by a police truncheon. | 0:42:02 | 0:42:05 | |
And we had enormous respect for people | 0:42:05 | 0:42:09 | |
who were willing to go that far. | 0:42:09 | 0:42:11 | |
And then, one day in 1963, we saw on television | 0:42:16 | 0:42:21 | |
a picture of a monk in Saigon. | 0:42:21 | 0:42:24 | |
This was an extraordinary act. | 0:42:24 | 0:42:26 | |
Why was a Buddhist monk burning himself on the streets of Saigon? | 0:42:29 | 0:42:34 | |
The protests continued. | 0:42:38 | 0:42:40 | |
Tensions between Washington and Saigon steadily worsened. | 0:42:40 | 0:42:44 | |
The more the Kennedy administration demanded change, | 0:42:45 | 0:42:49 | |
the more Diem and his brother Nhu seemed to resist. | 0:42:49 | 0:42:52 | |
Martial law was imposed. | 0:43:01 | 0:43:04 | |
Public meetings were forbidden. | 0:43:04 | 0:43:06 | |
Troops were authorised to shoot anyone | 0:43:06 | 0:43:09 | |
found on the streets after nine o'clock. | 0:43:09 | 0:43:13 | |
When college students protested in support of the monks, | 0:43:13 | 0:43:17 | |
Diem closed Vietnam's universities. | 0:43:17 | 0:43:19 | |
High school students then poured into the streets. | 0:43:20 | 0:43:24 | |
He shut down all the high schools, | 0:43:24 | 0:43:26 | |
and the grammar schools too. | 0:43:26 | 0:43:28 | |
And arrested thousands of schoolchildren, | 0:43:28 | 0:43:31 | |
including the sons and daughters of officials in his own government. | 0:43:31 | 0:43:35 | |
Henry Cabot Lodge took over as US Ambassador | 0:43:36 | 0:43:39 | |
in the midst of the turmoil, | 0:43:39 | 0:43:40 | |
and he is reported to have demanded that President Diem's brother, Nhu, | 0:43:40 | 0:43:43 | |
be ousted, or US aid to Vietnam will be cut. | 0:43:43 | 0:43:46 | |
A small group of South Vietnamese generals | 0:43:50 | 0:43:53 | |
contacted the CIA in Saigon. | 0:43:53 | 0:43:55 | |
Diem's brother, Nhu, | 0:43:56 | 0:43:57 | |
was now largely in control of the government, they said. | 0:43:57 | 0:44:02 | |
What would Washington's reaction be if they mounted a coup? | 0:44:02 | 0:44:05 | |
President Kennedy and his senior advisers happened to be out of town. | 0:44:07 | 0:44:12 | |
So Roger Hilsman Jnr, | 0:44:12 | 0:44:14 | |
Assistant Secretary of State for Far Eastern Affairs, | 0:44:14 | 0:44:18 | |
and a critic of the Diem regime, | 0:44:18 | 0:44:20 | |
took it upon himself to draft a cable | 0:44:20 | 0:44:23 | |
with new instructions for Ambassador Lodge. | 0:44:23 | 0:44:26 | |
The US Government could no longer tolerate a situation | 0:44:28 | 0:44:32 | |
in which power lay in Nhu's hands, it said. | 0:44:32 | 0:44:35 | |
Diem should be given a chance to rid himself of his brother. | 0:44:35 | 0:44:39 | |
If he refused, | 0:44:40 | 0:44:42 | |
Lodge was to tell the generals, | 0:44:42 | 0:44:44 | |
"Then we must face the possibility that Diem himself | 0:44:44 | 0:44:47 | |
"cannot be preserved." | 0:44:47 | 0:44:49 | |
The president was vacationing at Hyannis Port, Massachusetts. | 0:44:51 | 0:44:55 | |
Under Secretary of State George Ball | 0:44:55 | 0:44:58 | |
read part of the cable to him over the phone. | 0:44:58 | 0:45:01 | |
Since the early 1950s, the United States Government had encouraged, | 0:45:02 | 0:45:07 | |
and even orchestrated, other Cold War coups in Iran, Guatemala, | 0:45:07 | 0:45:13 | |
The Congo and elsewhere. | 0:45:13 | 0:45:14 | |
Kennedy decided to approve Hilsman's cable. | 0:45:17 | 0:45:21 | |
In part, because he thought his top advisers had already endorsed it. | 0:45:21 | 0:45:27 | |
They had not. | 0:45:27 | 0:45:28 | |
And, somehow, because of a cable | 0:45:30 | 0:45:33 | |
that came out from Washington, Lodge decided, | 0:45:33 | 0:45:36 | |
that the only solution was to get rid of not just Ngo Dinh Nhu, | 0:45:36 | 0:45:40 | |
the bad brother, but also of Diem himself, | 0:45:40 | 0:45:44 | |
and that started us on this whole business of promoting a coup. | 0:45:44 | 0:45:49 | |
And it was not a good idea. | 0:45:49 | 0:45:51 | |
I just had a feeling of impending disaster. | 0:45:53 | 0:45:55 | |
On September 2nd, 1963, Labor Day, | 0:45:57 | 0:46:00 | |
Walter Cronkite of CBS News | 0:46:00 | 0:46:03 | |
interviewed President Kennedy. | 0:46:03 | 0:46:06 | |
The president used the opportunity | 0:46:06 | 0:46:08 | |
to deliver a message to President Diem. | 0:46:08 | 0:46:12 | |
President, hasn't every indication from Saigon been | 0:46:12 | 0:46:15 | |
that President Diem has no intention of changing his pattern? | 0:46:15 | 0:46:19 | |
If he doesn't change it, of course, that's his decision. | 0:46:19 | 0:46:22 | |
He's been there ten years. As I say, he has carried this burden when | 0:46:22 | 0:46:25 | |
he's been counted on a number of occasions. | 0:46:25 | 0:46:27 | |
Our best judgement is that can't be successful on this basis. | 0:46:27 | 0:46:30 | |
But I don't agree with those who say we should withdraw. | 0:46:30 | 0:46:33 | |
That would be a great mistake. That would be a great mistake. | 0:46:33 | 0:46:35 | |
I know people don't like | 0:46:35 | 0:46:36 | |
Americans to be engaged in this kind of an effort, | 0:46:36 | 0:46:39 | |
47 Americans have been killed. | 0:46:39 | 0:46:41 | |
We are in a very desperate struggle against the Communist system | 0:46:42 | 0:46:46 | |
and I don't want Asia to pass into the control of the Chinese. | 0:46:46 | 0:46:49 | |
Do you think this government still has time to | 0:46:49 | 0:46:53 | |
regain the support of the people? | 0:46:53 | 0:46:54 | |
Yes, I do. With changes in policy, and perhaps in personnel, | 0:46:54 | 0:47:00 | |
I think it can. If it doesn't | 0:47:00 | 0:47:03 | |
make those changes, | 0:47:03 | 0:47:05 | |
I would think the chances of winning it would not be very good. | 0:47:05 | 0:47:08 | |
Despite the cable, | 0:47:10 | 0:47:11 | |
Kennedy and his advisers were sharply divided about a coup. | 0:47:11 | 0:47:15 | |
Robert McNamara, Maxwell Taylor, Vice President Lyndon Johnson, | 0:47:16 | 0:47:21 | |
and the head of the CIA all cautioned against it. | 0:47:21 | 0:47:26 | |
Because, while none of them especially admired Diem, | 0:47:26 | 0:47:29 | |
they did not believe there was any viable alternative. | 0:47:29 | 0:47:33 | |
In the end, Kennedy instructed Lodge | 0:47:35 | 0:47:38 | |
to tell the renegade generals that | 0:47:38 | 0:47:41 | |
while the United States does not wish to stimulate a coup, | 0:47:41 | 0:47:45 | |
it would not thwart one either. | 0:47:45 | 0:47:46 | |
The generals laid their plans. | 0:47:48 | 0:47:50 | |
On November 1st, 1963, | 0:47:58 | 0:48:01 | |
troops loyal to the plotters | 0:48:01 | 0:48:03 | |
seized key installations in Saigon | 0:48:03 | 0:48:06 | |
and demanded Diem and Nhu surrender. | 0:48:06 | 0:48:09 | |
The battle for the city went on for 18 hours, | 0:48:12 | 0:48:14 | |
and most of it was centred on the presidential palace. | 0:48:14 | 0:48:18 | |
Just after 6.30 in the morning, Saturday, the shootings ceased. | 0:48:18 | 0:48:21 | |
Diem and Nhu escaped, took sanctuary in a church, | 0:48:30 | 0:48:35 | |
and agreed to surrender to the rebels | 0:48:35 | 0:48:38 | |
in exchange for the promise of safe passage out of the country. | 0:48:38 | 0:48:42 | |
They were picked up in an armoured personnel carrier. | 0:48:42 | 0:48:46 | |
GUNSHOT | 0:48:46 | 0:48:48 | |
And murdered soon after they climbed inside. | 0:48:48 | 0:48:51 | |
GUNSHOT | 0:48:51 | 0:48:53 | |
Madame Nhu survived the coup. | 0:48:57 | 0:49:00 | |
She was on a goodwill tour in the United States. | 0:49:00 | 0:49:03 | |
Monday, November 4th, 1963. | 0:49:07 | 0:49:11 | |
Over the weekend, the coup in Saigon took place, | 0:49:11 | 0:49:14 | |
culminated three months of conversation | 0:49:14 | 0:49:17 | |
which divided the Government here and in Saigon. | 0:49:17 | 0:49:21 | |
I feel that... | 0:49:23 | 0:49:26 | |
..for it, | 0:49:26 | 0:49:28 | |
beginning with our cable of August, in which we suggested a coup. | 0:49:28 | 0:49:32 | |
..to it, | 0:49:34 | 0:49:36 | |
without a round table conference. | 0:49:36 | 0:49:38 | |
I was shocked by the death of Diem and Nhu. | 0:49:42 | 0:49:46 | |
The way he was killed made it particularly abhorrent. | 0:49:46 | 0:49:49 | |
The question now is whether the generals can stay together | 0:49:49 | 0:49:53 | |
and build a stable government, | 0:49:53 | 0:49:55 | |
or whether public opinion in Saigon will turn on this government | 0:49:55 | 0:49:58 | |
as repressive and undemocratic, in the not-too-distant future. | 0:49:58 | 0:50:02 | |
Kennedy would not live to see the answer to the question he had asked. | 0:50:08 | 0:50:13 | |
He was murdered in Dallas 18 days later. | 0:50:13 | 0:50:16 | |
There were now 16,000 American advisers in South Vietnam. | 0:50:17 | 0:50:21 | |
Their fate, and the fate of that embattled country, | 0:50:23 | 0:50:27 | |
rested with another American president, Lyndon Baines Johnson. | 0:50:27 | 0:50:33 | |
We thought we were the exceptions to history, the Americans. | 0:50:50 | 0:50:55 | |
History didn't apply to us. | 0:50:55 | 0:50:57 | |
We could never fight a bad war. | 0:50:57 | 0:50:59 | |
We could never represent the wrong cause. | 0:50:59 | 0:51:01 | |
We were Americans. | 0:51:01 | 0:51:03 | |
Well, in Vietnam, it proved that we were not an exception to history. | 0:51:04 | 0:51:07 | |
MUSIC: Mean Old World By Sam Cooke | 0:51:24 | 0:51:29 |