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My name is Andrew Hussey. | 0:00:23 | 0:00:26 | |
I was born and bought up in Liverpool, but I live now in France. | 0:00:26 | 0:00:30 | |
One of the reasons I live here is the culture. | 0:00:31 | 0:00:34 | |
And a big part of the culture is the food. | 0:00:34 | 0:00:37 | |
Wine, cheese, charcuterie... | 0:00:39 | 0:00:42 | |
the best French food is celebrated because it's got | 0:00:42 | 0:00:44 | |
what the French call terroir. | 0:00:44 | 0:00:47 | |
This is a word which is almost impossible to translate, | 0:00:49 | 0:00:52 | |
but what it means is how land, weather and people come together | 0:00:52 | 0:00:56 | |
to make a food that tastes uniquely of a region. | 0:00:56 | 0:00:59 | |
The French have got a term, "le gout de terroir" - | 0:00:59 | 0:01:02 | |
the taste of the territory. | 0:01:02 | 0:01:03 | |
I'm back in my own territory now, | 0:01:08 | 0:01:11 | |
in the Northwest of England, and I've bought that idea back with me. | 0:01:11 | 0:01:14 | |
Oh, come on! Just try a corner. | 0:01:14 | 0:01:17 | |
I want to apply the idea of terroir to some of the everyday food of the North. | 0:01:17 | 0:01:21 | |
It's food that you might not realise has a strong Northern history. | 0:01:21 | 0:01:25 | |
You rhubarb growers, you're like medieval alchemists. | 0:01:25 | 0:01:29 | |
I'm a cultural historian and not a foodie, | 0:01:29 | 0:01:32 | |
so I'll be relying on locals to help me out. | 0:01:32 | 0:01:35 | |
Go with the crispy one first. | 0:01:35 | 0:01:37 | |
Let's give it a go. | 0:01:37 | 0:01:39 | |
Most importantly, what I really want to do is to find out what terroir | 0:01:39 | 0:01:44 | |
tells us about politics, class and history. | 0:01:44 | 0:01:49 | |
SHIP'S HORN BLOWS | 0:01:56 | 0:01:59 | |
MUSIC: HARMONICA PLAYS "Dirty Old Town" | 0:01:59 | 0:02:02 | |
I'm going to begin my exploration of northern food and local culture | 0:02:06 | 0:02:10 | |
here in my old hometown. | 0:02:10 | 0:02:12 | |
This is Liverpool, a very special and separate place, | 0:02:13 | 0:02:17 | |
which is not quite England and not quite the North. | 0:02:17 | 0:02:21 | |
It's been famously described as a kind of frontier zone, | 0:02:22 | 0:02:24 | |
a collision between the Irish, who were trying to get in, | 0:02:24 | 0:02:28 | |
and the English, who were trying to get out. | 0:02:28 | 0:02:30 | |
Liverpool is famous for lots of things, and rightly so. | 0:02:32 | 0:02:36 | |
Music, football, humour, politics - | 0:02:36 | 0:02:39 | |
all of this is part of the terroir here. | 0:02:39 | 0:02:41 | |
But we're not normally known for our food. | 0:02:41 | 0:02:44 | |
Having said that, what I remember is that the Liverpudlian working class | 0:02:44 | 0:02:48 | |
used to cook and eat very well. | 0:02:48 | 0:02:51 | |
I can still remember my grandma's house in Toxteth. | 0:02:51 | 0:02:54 | |
The smells, the noise... | 0:02:54 | 0:02:55 | |
She was a brilliant cook. | 0:02:55 | 0:02:57 | |
Regularly, she'd make home-made fishcakes, butter bean lentil soup, | 0:02:57 | 0:03:01 | |
pea and ham soup, hock of ham, it was all superb. | 0:03:01 | 0:03:05 | |
One of my grandad's favourites, and he used love this on | 0:03:05 | 0:03:08 | |
a Sunday morning, was to wolf down a plate of salted fish. | 0:03:08 | 0:03:11 | |
The Spanish and the Portuguese called it bacalhau, | 0:03:11 | 0:03:13 | |
and he used to do this reading yesterday's Liverpool Echo. | 0:03:13 | 0:03:16 | |
This brings me back to the notion of terroir, | 0:03:16 | 0:03:19 | |
because if Liverpool has really got a terroir, it's this - | 0:03:19 | 0:03:22 | |
the sea. | 0:03:22 | 0:03:24 | |
From the 17th century onwards, Liverpool grew to become | 0:03:34 | 0:03:37 | |
the second most important port in the British Empire. | 0:03:37 | 0:03:41 | |
In its heyday, a seventh of world trade went through its docks. | 0:03:41 | 0:03:46 | |
# I heard a siren from the docks | 0:03:46 | 0:03:52 | |
# Saw a train set the night on fire... # | 0:03:54 | 0:04:00 | |
Coffee and tea and spice, meat from the Antipodes and fruit from the Indies. | 0:04:01 | 0:04:07 | |
# Dirty old town | 0:04:09 | 0:04:12 | |
# Dirty old town... # | 0:04:14 | 0:04:16 | |
For hundreds of years, this city has been a portal for trade, people and cultures. | 0:04:16 | 0:04:22 | |
You can get almost any kind of food you want in Liverpool, | 0:04:24 | 0:04:28 | |
but I'm after a dish that came in from the sea about 300 ago. | 0:04:28 | 0:04:33 | |
That's the noble and delicious lobscouse. | 0:04:33 | 0:04:36 | |
Lobscouse is basically a meat and potato stew. | 0:04:41 | 0:04:44 | |
It's made with lots of potatoes, carrots, onions and either beef or lamb. | 0:04:44 | 0:04:49 | |
In our house, my mum was the chief scousista | 0:04:49 | 0:04:53 | |
and she used lamb to make a sloppy, soupy scouse. | 0:04:53 | 0:04:57 | |
This cafe makes theirs with beef, and as the sailors used to say, | 0:04:57 | 0:05:01 | |
it's firm enough for a mouse to trot over it. | 0:05:01 | 0:05:03 | |
Lobscouse is so associated with Liverpudlians, it's given us our nickname, Scousers. | 0:05:08 | 0:05:14 | |
Maggie May's Cafe here in Hope Street is famous for it. | 0:05:14 | 0:05:18 | |
-Do you do scouse? -Yeah, yeah. | 0:05:23 | 0:05:25 | |
I'll have a plate of scouse, ta. | 0:05:25 | 0:05:26 | |
OK. Would you like any beetroots or red cabbage? | 0:05:26 | 0:05:29 | |
-I'll have red cabbage, ta. -Yeah. | 0:05:29 | 0:05:31 | |
'Where the word scouse came from and what it means is lost | 0:05:31 | 0:05:34 | |
'in the sea mists of time, | 0:05:34 | 0:05:36 | |
'but I think it's an old Norse word for stew.' | 0:05:36 | 0:05:39 | |
Scouse has been eaten by Scousers and sailors for over 300 years. | 0:05:41 | 0:05:45 | |
That's a food with a long and serious history. | 0:05:45 | 0:05:48 | |
It's all to do with the Baltic shipping trade, | 0:05:48 | 0:05:51 | |
so this would be Scandinavia, Germany and Holland. | 0:05:51 | 0:05:53 | |
All of these countries have got a version of the dish which they call labskaus. | 0:05:53 | 0:05:57 | |
# Das ist Labskaus Das ist Labskaus... # | 0:05:57 | 0:06:02 | |
Lobscouse was originally a sailor's dish. | 0:06:03 | 0:06:05 | |
A sea-cooked hotpot in which they could use up all root vegetables and slightly dodgy meat. | 0:06:05 | 0:06:11 | |
Every country makes it differently. | 0:06:11 | 0:06:13 | |
The Norwegians use salt meat or pork, | 0:06:13 | 0:06:15 | |
and the Germans like it with eggs and herring. | 0:06:15 | 0:06:19 | |
The traditional accompaniment to scouse is either beetroot or red cabbage. | 0:06:27 | 0:06:31 | |
I like red cabbage and I'll tell you for why - it's got a tang, | 0:06:31 | 0:06:34 | |
a kind of Eastern European flavour, and that suggests to me | 0:06:34 | 0:06:37 | |
that the real origins of scouse are definitely Germanic. | 0:06:37 | 0:06:41 | |
John Lee used to be a cook on the cruise ships. | 0:06:41 | 0:06:44 | |
He puts scouse on the menu because he believes in carrying on with traditional foods. | 0:06:44 | 0:06:50 | |
There's your scouse there. | 0:06:50 | 0:06:52 | |
-With the red cabbage and all. -Do you want a bit of beetroot? | 0:06:52 | 0:06:55 | |
No, I'm OK with that, ta. | 0:06:55 | 0:06:56 | |
-All right. -Take a seat? | 0:06:56 | 0:06:58 | |
This looks good, actually. | 0:07:00 | 0:07:01 | |
There's different ways of doing it, isn't there? | 0:07:01 | 0:07:04 | |
Everyone makes it different. | 0:07:04 | 0:07:06 | |
When I went away to sea, one of the best pans of scouse I had | 0:07:06 | 0:07:11 | |
was in a bar called the Scouse House in Belfast. | 0:07:11 | 0:07:14 | |
-The Scouse House in Belfast? -Yes. | 0:07:14 | 0:07:16 | |
They done a lovely pan of scouse there. | 0:07:16 | 0:07:18 | |
I was on the Belfast boat for 15 years. | 0:07:18 | 0:07:22 | |
So it was a regular call for us, you know? | 0:07:22 | 0:07:24 | |
That's the real thing. That's how I remember it, lovely. | 0:07:26 | 0:07:30 | |
Where did you get the recipe for this? | 0:07:30 | 0:07:32 | |
It's my mum's recipe. | 0:07:32 | 0:07:34 | |
But as I kid, I didn't like it, to tell you the truth. | 0:07:34 | 0:07:37 | |
Why didn't you like it? | 0:07:37 | 0:07:38 | |
It was just the old cuts of meat and that, the beetroot, the fat. | 0:07:38 | 0:07:42 | |
Yes. Big chunks of it. | 0:07:42 | 0:07:43 | |
If my dad's there, you know, like, you had to eat it, you know. | 0:07:43 | 0:07:48 | |
Your dad made you eat the scouse? | 0:07:48 | 0:07:50 | |
Yes. If you said you didn't like anything, it was a mortal sin. | 0:07:50 | 0:07:54 | |
Funnily enough, we had a neighbour, | 0:07:54 | 0:07:57 | |
Winnie and Arthur Crombie, and they lived next door to us. | 0:07:57 | 0:08:01 | |
When they done scouse, they made it with mince. | 0:08:03 | 0:08:06 | |
I used to wait for theirs. It was really, you could eat it and get | 0:08:06 | 0:08:10 | |
stuck in without these lumps of fat or gristle and that. | 0:08:10 | 0:08:14 | |
-But in this one, we use Welsh black beef. -OK. | 0:08:14 | 0:08:18 | |
You don't use lamb? | 0:08:18 | 0:08:21 | |
No. Now and again, we'll have lamb scouse. | 0:08:21 | 0:08:24 | |
-Sometimes we do it with mince and that. -Mince is nice, yes. | 0:08:24 | 0:08:27 | |
There really are a lot of ways of making lobscouse. | 0:08:29 | 0:08:32 | |
So does it have a claim to be seen as a product of terroir? | 0:08:32 | 0:08:35 | |
I think the answer is yes. | 0:08:35 | 0:08:38 | |
You can trace its roots back to our seafaring history. | 0:08:40 | 0:08:44 | |
And it's our eponymous dish. | 0:08:44 | 0:08:46 | |
Long live scouse! | 0:08:46 | 0:08:47 | |
However you choose to make it. | 0:08:47 | 0:08:50 | |
Time to leave my city and go inland, | 0:08:53 | 0:08:55 | |
to the deep, true North of England. | 0:08:55 | 0:08:58 | |
'Where's north from here?' | 0:08:58 | 0:09:00 | |
I'm heading to a mill and mining town in Lancashire to find out | 0:09:07 | 0:09:10 | |
about another food with a historic link to a particular place and time. | 0:09:10 | 0:09:14 | |
But to get there, we need a bit of history. | 0:09:14 | 0:09:17 | |
Throughout the 18th and 19th centuries, | 0:09:24 | 0:09:27 | |
the people and terrain of Lancashire were dominated, | 0:09:27 | 0:09:30 | |
as was so much of the North, | 0:09:30 | 0:09:31 | |
by the Industrial Revolution. | 0:09:31 | 0:09:33 | |
Coal, cotton and canals shaped the land | 0:09:35 | 0:09:37 | |
and the lives of those who lived here. | 0:09:37 | 0:09:40 | |
The traces of that era still colour the landscape today. | 0:09:40 | 0:09:43 | |
And all three come together here. | 0:09:48 | 0:09:51 | |
I'm in Wigan, a town that's part of the real, deep North of the English imagination. | 0:09:55 | 0:10:01 | |
This is the land of slag heaps, flat caps and even flatter vowels. | 0:10:01 | 0:10:06 | |
The writer George Orwell came here in the 1930s and he was so profoundly shocked by the poverty | 0:10:06 | 0:10:12 | |
he encountered here, that he wrote a book which has forever defined working-class wretchedness. | 0:10:12 | 0:10:18 | |
The Road To Wigan Pier describes working people sleeping ten to a room, | 0:10:20 | 0:10:25 | |
families living in dirt and stagnation and widespread misery and ill health. | 0:10:25 | 0:10:31 | |
In short, the book exposes the corrupting effect of 200 years of mechanisation. | 0:10:34 | 0:10:40 | |
The Industrial Revolution marked the high point of the British Empire in commercial terms. | 0:10:47 | 0:10:51 | |
But in the words of Morrissey, the greatest poet that these parts | 0:10:51 | 0:10:55 | |
have ever produced, for ordinary folk, them was rotten days. | 0:10:55 | 0:10:58 | |
People were driven off the land and forced to work in mills, mines and factories. | 0:10:58 | 0:11:03 | |
In terms of food and in terms of terroir, it meant that they were separated from the land and | 0:11:03 | 0:11:09 | |
people were unable to cook and farm in the way that they'd been used to. | 0:11:09 | 0:11:13 | |
For people like my companion here, this was a new way of life. | 0:11:13 | 0:11:17 | |
Women working a 14-hour day in a cotton mill had little energy left for cooking. | 0:11:28 | 0:11:33 | |
And few homes had proper cooking facilities anyway. | 0:11:33 | 0:11:38 | |
So cook shops opened up, selling cheap hot food to workers. | 0:11:38 | 0:11:43 | |
And one of the most useful meals was a meat and potato pie. | 0:11:43 | 0:11:47 | |
Hiya, you all right? | 0:11:51 | 0:11:53 | |
-Can I have a butter pie, love, please? -Yes. | 0:11:53 | 0:11:56 | |
Like scouse, the pie began as a poor man's food - | 0:11:56 | 0:12:00 | |
lots of cheap potato flavoured with a bit of meat, | 0:12:00 | 0:12:02 | |
only this time, wrapped up in pastry. | 0:12:02 | 0:12:05 | |
Pie was economical, filling, and you didn't need to own a plate to eat one. | 0:12:05 | 0:12:10 | |
Meat and potato pies are still made in Wigan, and they're just as popular today. | 0:12:13 | 0:12:18 | |
-Hiya. -What pies have you got here? | 0:12:18 | 0:12:20 | |
We've got new ones. We've got chicken and leek, chicken balti, | 0:12:20 | 0:12:23 | |
we've got meat and potato, meat pies, patty pies and steak and kidney. | 0:12:23 | 0:12:29 | |
Meat and potato, please. | 0:12:29 | 0:12:30 | |
'Working mums were part of the reason pies became linked to | 0:12:30 | 0:12:33 | |
'this town, but there is another chapter in the story, | 0:12:33 | 0:12:36 | |
'about pies and working men.' | 0:12:36 | 0:12:39 | |
The people of Wigan are called the pie-eaters, and that sounds like a daft and cute name, | 0:12:41 | 0:12:46 | |
but the reality behind that name is a lot more serious. | 0:12:46 | 0:12:50 | |
It's all to do with the terroir of Wigan. | 0:12:50 | 0:12:52 | |
The other key industry in Wigan was coal. | 0:12:57 | 0:13:00 | |
There's been mining in the town for over 600 years. | 0:13:03 | 0:13:06 | |
Britain's first college of coal mining and technology was established here. | 0:13:09 | 0:13:13 | |
To be a miner from Wigan was always something to boast about. | 0:13:13 | 0:13:17 | |
Then, in 1926, Wigan miners joined with other collieries in a national strike. | 0:13:21 | 0:13:29 | |
They held out for six months with no pay. | 0:13:31 | 0:13:34 | |
But eventually, they were forced to return under worse conditions than before. | 0:13:34 | 0:13:39 | |
When the Wigan men went back, miners from nearby towns reckoned they'd been forced to eat "humble pie". | 0:13:41 | 0:13:47 | |
I like the story, but whatever the truth of the legend, | 0:13:53 | 0:13:56 | |
the people round here call themselves pie-eaters, | 0:13:56 | 0:13:59 | |
and they're proud of it. | 0:13:59 | 0:14:00 | |
So proud, that for 18 years, | 0:14:02 | 0:14:03 | |
the town has held the World Pie Eating Championships. | 0:14:03 | 0:14:08 | |
'The secret of eating a pie as quick as you can is no secret.' | 0:14:08 | 0:14:12 | |
Just eating a pie... | 0:14:12 | 0:14:16 | |
as quick as you can. | 0:14:16 | 0:14:17 | |
WHISTLE BLOWS | 0:14:17 | 0:14:19 | |
The winner of last year's Championship took the lead today | 0:14:19 | 0:14:22 | |
right from what they call the "pie-off" | 0:14:22 | 0:14:24 | |
at what they call "pie noon". | 0:14:24 | 0:14:27 | |
I've invited Fred, the winner of the 2008 competition, | 0:14:27 | 0:14:30 | |
to come down to Wigan Market to meet me... | 0:14:30 | 0:14:35 | |
and some members of the town's motorbike club, the Pie Eaters MCC. | 0:14:35 | 0:14:40 | |
What is it about Wiganers and pies? What's going on? | 0:14:40 | 0:14:43 | |
It started off in the miners' strike. | 0:14:43 | 0:14:46 | |
Wiganers had to go back to work, so they were known as eating humble pie, | 0:14:46 | 0:14:49 | |
so that's where Wigan Pie Eaters comes from. | 0:14:49 | 0:14:51 | |
We've kind of been known for it over the years, and it's more like | 0:14:51 | 0:14:55 | |
a popular term now instead of a derogatory one. | 0:14:55 | 0:14:58 | |
Yes. You've reclaimed the term and you're proud of it? | 0:14:58 | 0:15:02 | |
Wiganers and pies - what about bikers and pies? How does that work? | 0:15:02 | 0:15:06 | |
That's a perfect mix as well, in't it?! | 0:15:06 | 0:15:09 | |
We meet up in our local pub, the Crooke Hall, we'll have a pint, | 0:15:09 | 0:15:14 | |
-pie and a pint. -What's the difference between them all? | 0:15:14 | 0:15:18 | |
Is there a standard pie? | 0:15:18 | 0:15:20 | |
-This lady used to make 'em, didn't she? -Donna used to make pies. | 0:15:20 | 0:15:24 | |
You've got the shops who make them by hand and you've got the shops who make them by machines. | 0:15:24 | 0:15:29 | |
They're probably the difference. | 0:15:29 | 0:15:31 | |
They've all got the same content, they've all got potato and meat in. | 0:15:31 | 0:15:35 | |
I've gathered Fred and the bikers here today to hold our own pie competition. | 0:15:35 | 0:15:39 | |
And may the best pie-eater win. | 0:15:39 | 0:15:42 | |
These pies are all from local bakeries. | 0:16:13 | 0:16:16 | |
They are all the same weight and size, | 0:16:18 | 0:16:21 | |
and they've been allowed to cool. | 0:16:21 | 0:16:23 | |
I want a good, clean fight, no grappling, 3, 2, 1...go! | 0:16:25 | 0:16:30 | |
The speed-eating record for a Wigan pie is just under 36 seconds. | 0:16:34 | 0:16:40 | |
I don't think these guys are going to beat that. | 0:16:40 | 0:16:43 | |
Having said that, Fred seems on form. | 0:16:43 | 0:16:46 | |
Nearly! | 0:17:01 | 0:17:02 | |
Fred, you are the Zinedine Zidane of pie-eating! | 0:17:02 | 0:17:06 | |
You idiot! | 0:17:08 | 0:17:10 | |
Well done, Fred. | 0:17:10 | 0:17:12 | |
Actually, it's not over yet. | 0:17:12 | 0:17:14 | |
That was only Round One. | 0:17:14 | 0:17:15 | |
The real winner is going to be the person who | 0:17:15 | 0:17:18 | |
comes up with the best story of what pies mean to them. | 0:17:18 | 0:17:20 | |
It's the big, Existential Pie Eating Champion that we are looking for. | 0:17:20 | 0:17:24 | |
A good old bit of tasty Wigan heritage. | 0:17:24 | 0:17:27 | |
I've been eating pies since before I can remember and I'll be eating them till I die. | 0:17:27 | 0:17:32 | |
Just reminds me of going to watch Everton Football Club when I was a kid. | 0:17:32 | 0:17:37 | |
A fabulous figure! | 0:17:37 | 0:17:40 | |
Sorry! | 0:17:40 | 0:17:41 | |
Pies to me, really, mean school dinners. | 0:17:41 | 0:17:44 | |
They remind me of sitting at me grandma's, eating her home-made meat | 0:17:44 | 0:17:47 | |
and potato pies, and her going sick at me cos I got it all over the table! | 0:17:47 | 0:17:51 | |
Pies to me mean the cracking fun we have in the Wigan Pie Eaters motorbike rallies. | 0:17:51 | 0:17:55 | |
The best part, though, is Sunday afternoon tea, home-made plate meat and potato pie - fantastic. | 0:17:55 | 0:18:01 | |
Sat'day night in bar with a nice cold pint of Tetley bitter, | 0:18:01 | 0:18:05 | |
then eating them gorgeous pies and winning the World Championship. | 0:18:05 | 0:18:10 | |
OK, I'm pleased to say that what we've found out is | 0:18:10 | 0:18:13 | |
pie-eating in Wigan is not just a tradition, it's also a palimpsest, | 0:18:13 | 0:18:18 | |
which means it's the past, and the present, and the future. | 0:18:18 | 0:18:21 | |
But I'm pleased to say that the all-round World Champion Existential Pie Eater of Wigan... | 0:18:21 | 0:18:28 | |
..is the future generation, and that's Elliott! | 0:18:31 | 0:18:34 | |
Do Wigan pies have terroir? | 0:18:47 | 0:18:50 | |
I think they must have. | 0:18:50 | 0:18:51 | |
The root of the word terroir | 0:18:57 | 0:18:59 | |
is from the Latin word terra, meaning land or earth, | 0:18:59 | 0:19:03 | |
and it's back to the land I'm going now - to Ormskirk. | 0:19:03 | 0:19:07 | |
This part of Lancashire is potato territory. | 0:19:19 | 0:19:22 | |
The conditions are perfect for growing the pommes de terre. | 0:19:22 | 0:19:26 | |
But it's also got to do with the Industrial Revolution, | 0:19:26 | 0:19:29 | |
which happened all around here. | 0:19:29 | 0:19:30 | |
Because if the fuel of the Industrial Revolution was coal, | 0:19:30 | 0:19:34 | |
the fuel of the people who made the revolution was this - | 0:19:34 | 0:19:37 | |
the noble spud. | 0:19:37 | 0:19:39 | |
Potatoes first arrived in England in the 16th century, an immigrant from South America. | 0:19:41 | 0:19:48 | |
Like all aliens, they were regarded at first with suspicion. | 0:19:48 | 0:19:52 | |
Protestants refused to grow them because they weren't mentioned in the Bible. | 0:19:52 | 0:19:57 | |
In fact for many years, potatoes were grown mainly | 0:19:57 | 0:20:00 | |
as a botanical curiosity. | 0:20:00 | 0:20:02 | |
It was the Irish peasantry who first embraced them as a food crop. | 0:20:03 | 0:20:08 | |
And history suggests it was in Lancashire's rich and sandy loam | 0:20:08 | 0:20:11 | |
that they were first grown for food in England, | 0:20:11 | 0:20:14 | |
around the end of the 17th century. | 0:20:14 | 0:20:16 | |
The Cropper family have been farming this land for about 300 years. | 0:20:20 | 0:20:25 | |
That means they've been here from around the time that the first potatoes were grown. | 0:20:25 | 0:20:29 | |
-Hi, Robin. -Hello, Andrew. | 0:20:31 | 0:20:34 | |
Lovely tractor you've got there, very impressive. | 0:20:34 | 0:20:37 | |
And the soil round here, the black gold of Ormskirk, can you show me? | 0:20:37 | 0:20:41 | |
Yeah, I'd be happy to. | 0:20:41 | 0:20:43 | |
You can see that, it's really a good quality loam. | 0:20:47 | 0:20:51 | |
There is some moisture left, although we haven't had any rain for a long time. | 0:20:51 | 0:20:54 | |
And we rely on natural irrigation, the big irrigator in the sky, we get very high rainfall here. | 0:20:54 | 0:21:01 | |
And combined with the soil type, and the natural fertility of the soil, | 0:21:01 | 0:21:04 | |
it does produce very good potatoes. | 0:21:04 | 0:21:06 | |
-Is it cos you're near the sea, as well? -Yeah, a lot of the land here was reclaimed. | 0:21:06 | 0:21:10 | |
-Your family's been here a long time? -I believe the family's found in the area for 300 years. | 0:21:10 | 0:21:15 | |
So that takes us back to the time of the Industrial Revolution. | 0:21:15 | 0:21:18 | |
And before that, yeah. Not far from here, | 0:21:18 | 0:21:20 | |
one of the farms we have, there was coal mines under that. | 0:21:20 | 0:21:23 | |
I'm told that the farm-workers could hear the miners. | 0:21:23 | 0:21:26 | |
So there's a close link in this area between the Industrial Revolution and production of food. | 0:21:26 | 0:21:31 | |
So Lancashire in some ways is very Catholic territory. | 0:21:32 | 0:21:35 | |
There was the Irish migrations of the 19th century. | 0:21:35 | 0:21:39 | |
What's the role of the spud in feeding that population? | 0:21:39 | 0:21:42 | |
The reason there was a big migration from Ireland was because of the potato itself, they had between | 0:21:42 | 0:21:48 | |
1 and 1.5 million people dying through famine and disease through the Irish potato famine. | 0:21:48 | 0:21:53 | |
That caused a huge influx of people into Liverpool, which affected the culture. | 0:21:53 | 0:21:57 | |
Didn't the people of Liverpool fertilise this in the most literal sense? | 0:21:57 | 0:22:01 | |
It's actually true, the night soil was brought from Liverpool, | 0:22:01 | 0:22:05 | |
which was the emptying of the latrines, | 0:22:05 | 0:22:08 | |
and it was brought into farmland and spread on the land, yeah. | 0:22:08 | 0:22:11 | |
And what was the evidence of that? | 0:22:11 | 0:22:13 | |
Sometimes when you walk through fields, you find broken pottery, | 0:22:13 | 0:22:16 | |
belt buckles, that was often brought out with the actual manure. | 0:22:16 | 0:22:20 | |
So Scouser sewage makes good spuds. | 0:22:20 | 0:22:22 | |
Well, that's a long time ago! | 0:22:22 | 0:22:25 | |
These spuds are Maris Pipers - a great all-round variety, but not a local one. | 0:22:27 | 0:22:33 | |
In fact, they were bred in the 1960s at a Cambridge research station | 0:22:33 | 0:22:36 | |
to resist eelworm. | 0:22:36 | 0:22:40 | |
Otherwise, I think these potatoes have terroir. | 0:22:40 | 0:22:44 | |
And I'll tell you why - terroir involves a strict set of criteria | 0:22:46 | 0:22:50 | |
that include weather conditions, geography and farming know-how. | 0:22:50 | 0:22:55 | |
The Croppers' potatoes tick all of these boxes. | 0:22:55 | 0:22:58 | |
They're planted by tenth-generation farmers. | 0:22:58 | 0:23:01 | |
They're watered and nurtured by the mild maritime climate of the Irish Sea. | 0:23:01 | 0:23:07 | |
They grow in the sandy loam of the Lancastrian coastal plains, | 0:23:07 | 0:23:10 | |
flavoured perhaps with a hint of coal and a soupcon of 19th century Liverpool night soil. | 0:23:10 | 0:23:15 | |
Surely these potatoes would taste different to those grown in Cornwall. Or your allotment. | 0:23:16 | 0:23:22 | |
What's more, nearly all these sacks of Maris Pipers are destined for purely local use. | 0:23:25 | 0:23:32 | |
All of these potatoes are going to be consumed within a 30-mile radius of this farm. | 0:23:38 | 0:23:43 | |
It could be scouse in Liverpool over there, it could be pies in Wigan over there, | 0:23:43 | 0:23:48 | |
or if they're really lucky, to be called to the supreme destiny that every Lancashire potato dreams of - | 0:23:48 | 0:23:55 | |
to become a Blackpool chip. | 0:23:55 | 0:23:58 | |
For most of the 20th century, when Lancashire people dreamt of heaven, this is what they saw. | 0:24:18 | 0:24:24 | |
In the words of the great Les Dawson, the lovely vulgar mistress | 0:24:24 | 0:24:28 | |
that is Blackpool, always beckoning with a saucy finger | 0:24:28 | 0:24:32 | |
to the thrills that only she can offer. | 0:24:32 | 0:24:37 | |
Beckoning with a greasy, salty finger, probably. | 0:24:37 | 0:24:40 | |
Because Blackpool lives on chips in the same way that New York lives on hot dogs and Tokyo lives on sushi. | 0:24:42 | 0:24:48 | |
But to find the ones that the locals eat, | 0:24:51 | 0:24:54 | |
you have to leave the tourist hotspots and go inland. | 0:24:54 | 0:24:58 | |
# Chippy tea, chippy tea I want a chippy tea | 0:24:58 | 0:25:03 | |
# But you keep givin' me posh nosh It don't agree wi' me | 0:25:03 | 0:25:07 | |
# I don't want lobster thermidor with a raspberry coulis | 0:25:07 | 0:25:11 | |
# I'm a working man from Lancashire and I want a chippy tea | 0:25:11 | 0:25:16 | |
# Pack us one of them 2p forks as well, will you love? # | 0:25:16 | 0:25:19 | |
The chip shop was invented in the 19th century. | 0:25:21 | 0:25:24 | |
In many ways, it's one of the supreme culinary achievements of that era. | 0:25:24 | 0:25:28 | |
Historians think Lancashire was probably the birthplace of the chip shop. | 0:25:30 | 0:25:34 | |
And this county still has more chippies per capita than anywhere else in the UK. | 0:25:34 | 0:25:39 | |
But there are now thousands of chippies in Britain, selling millions of bags of chips. | 0:25:48 | 0:25:54 | |
And that begs the question - can anything as common as a chip | 0:25:54 | 0:25:58 | |
lay claim to anything as specific as terroir? | 0:25:58 | 0:26:02 | |
I don't know. But I do know a man who does. | 0:26:02 | 0:26:05 | |
# And in the Lancashire Kitchen, Bernard's brought back | 0:26:05 | 0:26:09 | |
# Two mini fish and chips, a sausage in batter, a Mars bar in batter | 0:26:09 | 0:26:12 | |
# And a pie in batter, wey-hey! # | 0:26:12 | 0:26:14 | |
'John Walton is a Lancastrian and a fellow cultural historian, | 0:26:14 | 0:26:17 | |
'and he's studied in depth the history of the fish-and-chip trade.' | 0:26:17 | 0:26:22 | |
So what makes a Blackpool chip different to a Yorkshire chip or a Cornish chip? | 0:26:22 | 0:26:28 | |
It would be terroir in the very literal sense of being usually from South Lancashire. | 0:26:28 | 0:26:34 | |
Most of South Lancashire's potato crop went to feed Lancashire chippies. | 0:26:34 | 0:26:39 | |
And above all, it's really strongly associated with the old cotton towns. | 0:26:39 | 0:26:44 | |
The first fish and chips in Lancashire was probably fried in cottonseed oil anyway. | 0:26:44 | 0:26:49 | |
But there is a Lancashire variant, if you like, on a dish that became | 0:26:49 | 0:26:54 | |
very prevalent in industrial and metropolitan Britain, but with different forms in different places. | 0:26:54 | 0:27:01 | |
Is there a link between terroir and chippy technology? | 0:27:01 | 0:27:04 | |
I'm thinking of deep-fat friers and ranges and that kind of thing. | 0:27:04 | 0:27:07 | |
The crucial thing is the ranges, | 0:27:07 | 0:27:09 | |
because ranges were a spin-off from | 0:27:09 | 0:27:12 | |
the Lancashire and West Riding textile engineering industry. | 0:27:12 | 0:27:16 | |
And every cotton town in particular had its own range-making firm. | 0:27:16 | 0:27:21 | |
These, of course, were really quite spectacular things | 0:27:21 | 0:27:24 | |
with tiles and pictures. | 0:27:24 | 0:27:25 | |
In the '20s and '30s, | 0:27:25 | 0:27:27 | |
you'd get streamlined ones and Art-Deco versions. | 0:27:27 | 0:27:29 | |
Fascinating. The people who were opening these chippies, | 0:27:29 | 0:27:33 | |
they were people retiring from the mills. | 0:27:33 | 0:27:35 | |
The people who opened the chippies, to a large extent, | 0:27:35 | 0:27:38 | |
were probably in their 40s and 50s. | 0:27:38 | 0:27:42 | |
And they'd be men who'd been doing engineering jobs, | 0:27:42 | 0:27:45 | |
so fettling up a fish-and-chip range would come naturally to them. | 0:27:45 | 0:27:49 | |
Or they might have been working as spinners in the cotton mills. | 0:27:49 | 0:27:52 | |
You almost had to take early retirement in | 0:27:52 | 0:27:54 | |
the '40s and '50s from that kind of job, as your eyesight began to fail and you got less quick. | 0:27:54 | 0:27:59 | |
And so they'd save to set themselves up in businesses. | 0:27:59 | 0:28:02 | |
One of the things you might do would be to set yourself up with a | 0:28:02 | 0:28:06 | |
chip shop in Blackpool. | 0:28:06 | 0:28:07 | |
The working man particularly would very much enjoy, | 0:28:10 | 0:28:13 | |
I think, trying to get the best out of his fish-and-chip range. | 0:28:13 | 0:28:18 | |
The big problem, actually, is what you fry it all in. | 0:28:18 | 0:28:21 | |
People who came to Blackpool would come from a variety of fish-and-chip traditions. | 0:28:21 | 0:28:27 | |
If they were coming from the West Riding of Yorkshire, they want Leeds-type fish and chips | 0:28:27 | 0:28:32 | |
fried in beef dripping, and preferably jumbo haddock. | 0:28:32 | 0:28:35 | |
If they're coming from not quite so far in, from Lancashire, it's more likely to be vegetable oil | 0:28:35 | 0:28:39 | |
that they're accustomed to, and it might well be cod rather haddock that they expect. | 0:28:39 | 0:28:45 | |
There's a trade paper, of course - there's the Fish Friers Review and | 0:28:45 | 0:28:49 | |
that's full of helpful DIY hints | 0:28:49 | 0:28:51 | |
on how to be the most effective and profitable kind of fish frier. | 0:28:51 | 0:28:54 | |
So this is really terroir, isn't it? | 0:28:54 | 0:28:57 | |
People, land, technology, coming together. | 0:28:57 | 0:29:00 | |
I think that's absolutely right. | 0:29:00 | 0:29:02 | |
I think it applies to a wider area of, particularly Lancashire, but of Northern England. | 0:29:02 | 0:29:07 | |
It all gets distilled into Blackpool, because Blackpool is the pleasure capital of that region. | 0:29:07 | 0:29:12 | |
'30 miles inland from Blackpool, | 0:29:37 | 0:29:39 | |
'as the gull flies, lies the town of Bolton. | 0:29:39 | 0:29:42 | |
'That's the next stop on my Northern food trail.' | 0:29:42 | 0:29:45 | |
'Bolton was built on cotton money | 0:29:53 | 0:29:55 | |
'and through the 19th century it was one of the most productive | 0:29:55 | 0:29:58 | |
'and innovative textile towns in the world. | 0:29:58 | 0:30:02 | |
'Most of this stuff comes from Asia now.' | 0:30:02 | 0:30:04 | |
'You can often tell a lot about a town by its market, and Bolton's is a gem. | 0:30:09 | 0:30:14 | |
'It's a confident place with an impressive array of produce. | 0:30:16 | 0:30:20 | |
'I could almost be back in France.' | 0:30:20 | 0:30:22 | |
Lovely lamb chops here at a fiver a tray. | 0:30:22 | 0:30:25 | |
You can have eight chunky pork chops for a fiver today. | 0:30:25 | 0:30:28 | |
-'Almost.' -Ten lamb chops, three quid. | 0:30:28 | 0:30:32 | |
Lamb, three quid. It's a steal, it's a deal. | 0:30:32 | 0:30:34 | |
The sale of the century. | 0:30:34 | 0:30:36 | |
'The food on offer here reflects the relative wealth of working people today, | 0:30:40 | 0:30:44 | |
'but if you look harder you can see echoes of old Bolton.' | 0:30:44 | 0:30:48 | |
Food in the North of England isn't just about heavy industry and class divide. | 0:30:53 | 0:30:58 | |
It's also about religion. | 0:30:58 | 0:31:00 | |
There's always been a massive Catholic presence in Lancashire, | 0:31:00 | 0:31:03 | |
and along with that, a very Catholic lack of squeamishness about eating a whole animal. | 0:31:03 | 0:31:08 | |
'The theological rationale for this is obscure, | 0:31:14 | 0:31:17 | |
'but I suspect it has a lot to do with poverty and peasant society. | 0:31:17 | 0:31:22 | |
'Whatever the reasons, Catholics influenced the eating habits of Lancashire | 0:31:22 | 0:31:26 | |
'through such delights as... | 0:31:26 | 0:31:29 | |
'Poached pig's head and trotters.' | 0:31:29 | 0:31:32 | |
'Pressed cow's udder. | 0:31:33 | 0:31:35 | |
'Sheep's head broth. | 0:31:35 | 0:31:37 | |
'Cow heel stew. | 0:31:37 | 0:31:40 | |
'Black pudding was another popular Lancastrian dish, | 0:31:40 | 0:31:44 | |
'a classic peasant way of using up pig's blood and intestines. | 0:31:44 | 0:31:50 | |
'The word offal shares its roots with the Germanic word Abfall, | 0:31:50 | 0:31:54 | |
'which means rubbish - something useless to throw away. | 0:31:54 | 0:31:58 | |
'But these by-products from the trough of luxury were all the meat most families were able to afford.' | 0:31:58 | 0:32:04 | |
'I'm in Bolton to find out about a kind of offal | 0:32:10 | 0:32:13 | |
'that's still hugely respected in the cuisines of Catholic countries like Poland, France and Mexico, | 0:32:13 | 0:32:19 | |
'but that's generally considered to be rubbish in modern Lancashire. | 0:32:19 | 0:32:23 | |
'Tripe.' | 0:32:23 | 0:32:26 | |
I eat tripe at least twice a week and this is the way I eat it here. | 0:32:26 | 0:32:30 | |
This is my favourite. I call it black tripe. | 0:32:30 | 0:32:32 | |
It's called, in fact, leaf tripe. | 0:32:32 | 0:32:34 | |
-It's quite beautiful. -What is tripe, Stuart? | 0:32:34 | 0:32:37 | |
It's the inside of a cow's stomach. Quite simple. | 0:32:37 | 0:32:40 | |
-Does it all come from inside the stomach? -Yes, it all does. | 0:32:40 | 0:32:44 | |
'A cow's stomach has four chambers, and different tripes are made from all of them. | 0:32:44 | 0:32:50 | |
'This is thick-seam tripe, also known as blanket tripe, | 0:32:50 | 0:32:54 | |
'from the first part of the cow's stomach, the rumen. | 0:32:54 | 0:32:59 | |
'And this is honeycomb tripe from the reticulum, | 0:32:59 | 0:33:02 | |
'the second part of the stomach. | 0:33:02 | 0:33:04 | |
'These little pockets hold a sauce well.' | 0:33:04 | 0:33:06 | |
'Butcher's tripe like this has already been cooked and was often eaten cold.' | 0:33:08 | 0:33:12 | |
'Tripe is rendered edible only by hours of work by skilled tripe-dressers. | 0:33:15 | 0:33:20 | |
'First, they wash the stomachs, and then they boil them for hours. | 0:33:20 | 0:33:25 | |
'The smell of boiling tripe has been described as a cross between | 0:33:25 | 0:33:29 | |
'hot cow-pat, petrol and earwax.' | 0:33:29 | 0:33:32 | |
'Once they're cooked, the stomachs have to be scraped and scrubbed. | 0:33:33 | 0:33:38 | |
'And finally, to get rid of the browny-green staining | 0:33:38 | 0:33:41 | |
'from the cow's diet of grass, the tripe is bleached. | 0:33:41 | 0:33:46 | |
'I hope I haven't put you off.' | 0:33:46 | 0:33:47 | |
And lo and behold, out of that, | 0:33:49 | 0:33:51 | |
for the expenditure of a miserly few pence, | 0:33:51 | 0:33:54 | |
you get an exotic dish like that. | 0:33:54 | 0:33:57 | |
Now, what is wrong with that? | 0:33:57 | 0:33:58 | |
Does that, Sue, tempt your sophisticated palate? | 0:33:58 | 0:34:01 | |
Well, it looks nice but I'm glad it's about 200 or 300 miles away from me, Stuart. | 0:34:01 | 0:34:05 | |
-Are you going to taste it? -'You'd never know she was from the Black Country, would you? | 0:34:05 | 0:34:10 | |
'To find out more about this once-popular food, | 0:34:10 | 0:34:13 | |
'I've arranged a rendezvous with Marjory Houlihan, who has researched the Lancashire tripe trade.' | 0:34:13 | 0:34:19 | |
Can you tell us something about the scale of the tripe trade round here? | 0:34:19 | 0:34:23 | |
How many tripe dressers there were, how much was sold, and all that kind of thing. | 0:34:23 | 0:34:28 | |
Around 100 years ago, for example, | 0:34:28 | 0:34:31 | |
the directory of 1911 for Bolton, | 0:34:31 | 0:34:35 | |
there were well over 70 tripe shops | 0:34:35 | 0:34:39 | |
and quite a few actual tripe-dressers | 0:34:39 | 0:34:44 | |
-who supplied all those shops. -Who was buying it? | 0:34:44 | 0:34:47 | |
Probably mostly the working population, especially the mill workers. | 0:34:47 | 0:34:53 | |
It was easy, they didn't have to cook it, | 0:34:53 | 0:34:55 | |
they just bought it on the way home. | 0:34:55 | 0:34:59 | |
It was there, ready to eat, | 0:34:59 | 0:35:01 | |
and it was cool, slipped down the throat easily. | 0:35:01 | 0:35:05 | |
-It was a way of getting the taste of the mills out of your throat? -Exactly. | 0:35:05 | 0:35:09 | |
And giving some moisture to your throat as well. | 0:35:09 | 0:35:13 | |
-They really appreciated it, you know. -Do you like tripe yourself? | 0:35:13 | 0:35:17 | |
Well, I've eaten it, but I wouldn't say that I particularly like it, no! | 0:35:17 | 0:35:23 | |
-But my mother used to love it. -Did she? -My mother loved it. | 0:35:23 | 0:35:27 | |
'Tripe was so popular that a local abattoir emporium called United Cattle Products, UCP, | 0:35:28 | 0:35:34 | |
'ran a string of elegant restaurants and tripe was their signature dish.' | 0:35:34 | 0:35:40 | |
There was a really good tripe restaurant, and it was really posh. | 0:35:40 | 0:35:44 | |
It was quite posh. | 0:35:48 | 0:35:51 | |
They were beautifully set out tables, | 0:35:51 | 0:35:54 | |
pure white tablecloths, silver cutlery. | 0:35:54 | 0:35:57 | |
So, I love the idea of the posh restaurant, the big pots of tea, | 0:35:57 | 0:36:01 | |
and this is a tripe restaurant and it's a hot date, you know? | 0:36:01 | 0:36:04 | |
-But it was! It was the thing. -Very romantic. -Yeah! | 0:36:04 | 0:36:08 | |
You felt as though you were really dining in some style when you went there, | 0:36:10 | 0:36:17 | |
especially because Bolton Wanderers was just down the road at Burnden Park. | 0:36:17 | 0:36:22 | |
After the match, that was another thing. | 0:36:22 | 0:36:25 | |
They would come walking up from Burnden Park, | 0:36:25 | 0:36:30 | |
all along to the UCP restaurant. | 0:36:30 | 0:36:33 | |
I love the idea of Bolton Wanderers in the 1950s - they were a big team at that time - | 0:36:33 | 0:36:38 | |
and all the Wanderers fans wandering out of Burnden Park after the match to get a load of tripe. | 0:36:38 | 0:36:43 | |
The Cockneys must have been deeply shocked at these images of the North, you know? | 0:36:43 | 0:36:46 | |
It must have confirmed every image they dreamt about the North. | 0:36:46 | 0:36:49 | |
'The UCP restaurants closed in the 1970s... # | 0:36:49 | 0:36:52 | |
£1.23. | 0:36:52 | 0:36:54 | |
'...and today it's only a handful of older folk who seek out tripe and eat it. | 0:36:54 | 0:36:58 | |
'And now I've got a confession to make. | 0:36:58 | 0:37:01 | |
'I've never eaten tripe, | 0:37:01 | 0:37:04 | |
'and to be honest, I was quite happy to leave it that way.' | 0:37:04 | 0:37:07 | |
-We're going to go for a bit of a trial by tripe. -Marjory, what would you recommend? | 0:37:07 | 0:37:12 | |
I'd say honeycomb, myself. | 0:37:12 | 0:37:16 | |
I think that's easiest. | 0:37:16 | 0:37:18 | |
-You can eat it like that. -Just a little tiny bit. -A taster. -A little taster, yeah. | 0:37:18 | 0:37:24 | |
'To me this looks like something from an early Salvador Dali painting.' | 0:37:24 | 0:37:28 | |
It's a bit big, that. Could you not cut it a bit smaller? | 0:37:28 | 0:37:33 | |
-Would you like a bit of vinegar? -Have you got some? | 0:37:33 | 0:37:36 | |
Oh, brill. | 0:37:36 | 0:37:38 | |
-Vinegar, now. -I won't put too much on. | 0:37:38 | 0:37:42 | |
There. | 0:37:46 | 0:37:49 | |
Right, here goes. | 0:37:49 | 0:37:50 | |
You seem to know what you're doing, anyway. | 0:37:52 | 0:37:56 | |
I can eat it, but I wouldn't say I like it particularly, | 0:37:57 | 0:38:01 | |
but I can imagine how it would feel to somebody coming straight out of the mills. | 0:38:01 | 0:38:06 | |
Cleaning their mouth, and all that kind of stuff. | 0:38:06 | 0:38:09 | |
I can understand that, yeah. | 0:38:09 | 0:38:11 | |
Your turn. | 0:38:12 | 0:38:14 | |
Do you know what? I'm resisting this with every fibre of my being. | 0:38:14 | 0:38:20 | |
I feel like I'm betraying my Northern class roots, | 0:38:20 | 0:38:23 | |
but tripe's defeated me, I'm sorry. | 0:38:23 | 0:38:26 | |
-You come from a tougher generation than mine. -Well... | 0:38:26 | 0:38:31 | |
-Could be the Irish in me. -Could be the Irish in you. | 0:38:32 | 0:38:35 | |
'I can't let tripe defeat me. I've got to find my inner Northern soul. | 0:38:38 | 0:38:43 | |
'The answer is to go somewhere that can make tripe tempting to my 21st-century palate. | 0:38:43 | 0:38:48 | |
'How about Salford, just outside Manchester?' | 0:38:48 | 0:38:52 | |
'You wouldn't know it now, but this used to be the land of tripe. | 0:39:03 | 0:39:07 | |
'There were tripe shops and tripe dressers all around here. | 0:39:07 | 0:39:10 | |
'And a UCP tripe restaurant, | 0:39:10 | 0:39:13 | |
'now gone the way of all flesh.' | 0:39:13 | 0:39:15 | |
'But this area has a talent for reinvention. | 0:39:19 | 0:39:22 | |
'They've turned their old mills into trendy apartments and cleaned up the canal. | 0:39:22 | 0:39:27 | |
'Now it's a leisure destination.' | 0:39:27 | 0:39:30 | |
'And on the banks of the canal is a gastro-pub | 0:39:32 | 0:39:35 | |
'whose chef is re-inventing tripe for modern tastes.' | 0:39:35 | 0:39:39 | |
Can you plate that tripe, please? | 0:39:51 | 0:39:54 | |
'Rob Owen Brown wants to reconnect young Northerners with the traditional food of their past. | 0:39:54 | 0:39:59 | |
'He's fighting the cause of cuisine de terroir. | 0:39:59 | 0:40:03 | |
'He is in fact a terroir-iste.' | 0:40:03 | 0:40:05 | |
So what happened? Why did tripe become so unpopular with the working classes in the 1970s? | 0:40:09 | 0:40:14 | |
My feeling is that it's got everything to do with the wretched paraphernalia of Northern poverty, | 0:40:14 | 0:40:20 | |
along with flat caps, flat vowels, slag heaps and outside toilets. | 0:40:20 | 0:40:25 | |
The cartoonist Bill Tidy took the mickey out of tripe every day in his comic strip in the Daily Mirror, | 0:40:25 | 0:40:30 | |
whose main character Fosdyke was a tripe baron. | 0:40:30 | 0:40:34 | |
'Tripe was all part of the Northern stereotype. | 0:40:34 | 0:40:37 | |
'Not surprisingly, Northerners decided to move on.' | 0:40:37 | 0:40:40 | |
'Rob reckons he can get me to eat tripe today. | 0:40:46 | 0:40:49 | |
'I'm not really looking forward to this - perhaps some things are best forgotten. | 0:40:49 | 0:40:54 | |
'I mean, he hasn't installed outside toilets, has he?' | 0:40:54 | 0:40:57 | |
-How are you doing? -This is a scary moment for me. | 0:41:00 | 0:41:05 | |
-Trust me, you'll be fine. -Having said that, it does look almost like food. | 0:41:05 | 0:41:09 | |
-It's a bit better than food. -So what's going on here? | 0:41:09 | 0:41:14 | |
You've got crispy tripe, fiery English mustard. | 0:41:14 | 0:41:17 | |
You've got tripe with Madeira on toast and caramelised onions in there as well. | 0:41:17 | 0:41:20 | |
And then my favourite, the pickled tripe with capers, gherkins, parsley. | 0:41:20 | 0:41:24 | |
Are you a fella who's on a mission about English food? | 0:41:24 | 0:41:27 | |
Without a shadow of a doubt. If we were in France or Italy now you wouldn't be asking me about that. | 0:41:27 | 0:41:32 | |
I believe passionately in local produce and using the best that we can from around us, | 0:41:32 | 0:41:36 | |
and taking a bit of our food history as well | 0:41:36 | 0:41:39 | |
and trying to bring it up to date and get people eating the stuff. | 0:41:39 | 0:41:42 | |
What do you think I should have a crack at first? I'm deeply anguished about this. | 0:41:42 | 0:41:46 | |
Start with the crispy one, that's almost like fast food tripe. | 0:41:46 | 0:41:49 | |
It's beginner's tripe, fast food tripe. I'll have a crack at this. | 0:41:49 | 0:41:53 | |
I feel as if I'm taking my life in my hands anyway. Let's give it ago. | 0:41:53 | 0:41:56 | |
-It's all right! -It's good! -Like octopus, or something like that. | 0:41:59 | 0:42:02 | |
It's a really similar texture, especially when you get on to the pickled one. | 0:42:02 | 0:42:07 | |
That would pass as octopus any day of the week. | 0:42:07 | 0:42:10 | |
I'll give that a go in a second. What's this? This is calamari, | 0:42:10 | 0:42:13 | |
I've eaten this in Seville and Barcelona. | 0:42:13 | 0:42:15 | |
Yeah, it's very nice. And it's good for you. | 0:42:15 | 0:42:17 | |
Let's have a crack at the pickled one. This looks like the kind of thing the French would do. | 0:42:17 | 0:42:21 | |
-Yeah. -South-West France. -It's traditional Northern, isn't it? | 0:42:21 | 0:42:24 | |
Malt vinegar on your tripe, get it inside you. | 0:42:24 | 0:42:27 | |
Do you know what? I'm a convert. | 0:42:29 | 0:42:31 | |
-You only had one plate. -Not that much of a convert. | 0:42:31 | 0:42:35 | |
I think it's working. Can I ask you, how does this go down with your customers? | 0:42:35 | 0:42:39 | |
-I know you said before you're on a mission. -It's going all right. | 0:42:39 | 0:42:42 | |
It's not selling as well as the things like the bull's testicles | 0:42:42 | 0:42:45 | |
and the bone marrow and everything else, but it is going. | 0:42:45 | 0:42:48 | |
It's about getting people to taste it and getting people to give it a fair crack of the whip. | 0:42:48 | 0:42:52 | |
Why do you think it's not doing as well as the other stuff? | 0:42:52 | 0:42:55 | |
People have this image of tripe, don't they, you know? | 0:42:55 | 0:42:58 | |
It's taken a long time for people to start looking at the older dishes and the offals and everything else. | 0:42:58 | 0:43:04 | |
Everyone had got that wrapped up in having prime cut meat all the time. | 0:43:04 | 0:43:08 | |
-Give this one at try, before it goes cold. -How does this one work? | 0:43:08 | 0:43:12 | |
You've got Madeira, beef stock, tripe, onions, salt and pepper, that's it. | 0:43:12 | 0:43:17 | |
I don't know why I'm so cautious - it works. | 0:43:18 | 0:43:21 | |
It's nice, it's got a real richness to it. I'm glad you're enjoying that. | 0:43:21 | 0:43:25 | |
-The Madeira's coming through now. -Right. | 0:43:25 | 0:43:27 | |
I'm going to have another bit. | 0:43:29 | 0:43:30 | |
-Good. -In a way we're going back to pre-industrial revolution food | 0:43:30 | 0:43:34 | |
by doing this true North of England food? | 0:43:34 | 0:43:37 | |
If you're going to kill something to eat, then have the decency to use every single bit of it, | 0:43:37 | 0:43:42 | |
and not just the 24 fillets you're going to get out of a cow, or the 30 sirloins. | 0:43:42 | 0:43:47 | |
You've got to get the very, very best use out of it. | 0:43:47 | 0:43:49 | |
-This is the anti Chicken McNuggets culture, isn't it? -Without a shadow of a doubt. | 0:43:49 | 0:43:53 | |
Maybe with the exception of that one, maybe I'm doing tripe McNuggets, I'm not sure. | 0:43:53 | 0:43:57 | |
Tripe, can we talk about this with the rules of terroir? | 0:43:57 | 0:44:01 | |
OK, go on. | 0:44:01 | 0:44:03 | |
Terroir comes from land, it comes from people, | 0:44:03 | 0:44:06 | |
and it comes from agricultural produce, but tripe, is it local? | 0:44:06 | 0:44:09 | |
Is it stuff that belongs here and nowhere else? | 0:44:09 | 0:44:12 | |
No. Tripe is a universal product. The Spanish use it. Every nation. | 0:44:12 | 0:44:16 | |
The Chinese are superb exponents of using every single bit of an animal. | 0:44:16 | 0:44:20 | |
Tripe was heavily used in Lancashire in the North of England, | 0:44:22 | 0:44:27 | |
because it was cheap and there was plenty of it knocking around. | 0:44:27 | 0:44:30 | |
You can get an awful lot of tripe out of one big cow. | 0:44:30 | 0:44:33 | |
And there was a health thing as well. | 0:44:33 | 0:44:35 | |
It was good at getting all that cotton dust out of your throat. | 0:44:35 | 0:44:38 | |
So it was a local thing in a way? | 0:44:38 | 0:44:40 | |
I mean, the people of Madrid love their tripe, | 0:44:40 | 0:44:42 | |
the working class people of Madrid love their tripe. | 0:44:42 | 0:44:45 | |
In Lancashire it's a class thing as well. | 0:44:45 | 0:44:47 | |
-It cleans your throat, nutritious, cheap, easily available. -Yeah. -So it does really belong here. | 0:44:47 | 0:44:52 | |
I think it belongs here as it does in any working-class area anywhere in the world but... | 0:44:52 | 0:44:57 | |
..it's a difficult call. I don't think we can say it's ours. | 0:44:59 | 0:45:03 | |
-Yeah? -It's everybody's. | 0:45:03 | 0:45:04 | |
-Well it's everybody's but you've made it your own. -Well, we try. | 0:45:04 | 0:45:07 | |
It seems strange that it's taken so long for me to eat a food that I should have grown up with. | 0:45:09 | 0:45:15 | |
But then again, I grew up in the 70s, | 0:45:15 | 0:45:17 | |
a very strange decade when localness became obsolete. | 0:45:17 | 0:45:22 | |
In fact, I remember when my nan stopped cooking the old way | 0:45:30 | 0:45:33 | |
and began a love affair with convenience food. | 0:45:33 | 0:45:36 | |
It wasn't that me nan and women like her became lazy, | 0:45:39 | 0:45:42 | |
but with the rise of the supermarket there were suddenly all kinds of new ready-made foods available. | 0:45:42 | 0:45:48 | |
Instead of making their husbands ham hock and salted fish, | 0:45:51 | 0:45:55 | |
women gave them fish fingers and Fray Bentos pies. | 0:45:55 | 0:46:00 | |
And our local food. | 0:46:04 | 0:46:05 | |
The food that tasted of where it was from and meant something | 0:46:05 | 0:46:08 | |
to the people who ate it, it just disappeared. | 0:46:08 | 0:46:13 | |
But no-one missed it because supermarkets were bringing us sexy exotica, | 0:46:13 | 0:46:19 | |
like yogurt, | 0:46:19 | 0:46:20 | |
noodles, | 0:46:20 | 0:46:21 | |
and pizza! | 0:46:21 | 0:46:23 | |
I was 18 the first time I saw pizza. | 0:46:23 | 0:46:27 | |
I didn't know whether to boil it or fry it. | 0:46:27 | 0:46:29 | |
That's handy, Harry. | 0:46:29 | 0:46:31 | |
Stick it in the oven. | 0:46:31 | 0:46:33 | |
One pizza, senor, especially for you! | 0:46:35 | 0:46:38 | |
Light dough piled with tomato, cheese, | 0:46:38 | 0:46:41 | |
-ham and mushroom, sweetcorn and courgette. -Delicious. | 0:46:41 | 0:46:45 | |
You should try our tomato, cheese and onion pizza, or our special. | 0:46:45 | 0:46:49 | |
And pizza wasn't the only foreign food to get a foothold. | 0:46:51 | 0:46:55 | |
From the Norwegian sailors in Liverpool | 0:47:08 | 0:47:10 | |
to the Asian textile workers in Lancashire and Yorkshire, | 0:47:10 | 0:47:13 | |
the North of England has always been a place where other people and cultures came to trade. | 0:47:13 | 0:47:18 | |
Each wave of immigrants brings a new food with them. | 0:47:38 | 0:47:41 | |
In this market in Bradford alongside oranges and baked beans are an intriguing array of ingredients. | 0:47:43 | 0:47:50 | |
Asafoetida, moong dal, fenugreek... | 0:47:52 | 0:47:55 | |
And a whole lot of things, that I don't know what they are. | 0:47:57 | 0:48:00 | |
The Kashmir restaurant was one of the first to open in Bradford. | 0:48:19 | 0:48:22 | |
It catered for homesick Kashmiris, who strangely enough didn't care for baked beans or Yorkshire pudding. | 0:48:22 | 0:48:28 | |
And few native Yorkshire men would have come in through these doors | 0:48:36 | 0:48:39 | |
in the 1950s to sample anything as foreign as rogan josh or korma. | 0:48:39 | 0:48:44 | |
Today, however, they have a huge local following. | 0:48:44 | 0:48:48 | |
For my generation there is no more typically Northern night out than an evening in a curry house. | 0:48:57 | 0:49:02 | |
And believe me, curries in the North are world class and far superior to anything you can get in the South. | 0:49:02 | 0:49:09 | |
I'm out for a curry with Prett, a local woman who teaches Indian cookery. | 0:49:10 | 0:49:15 | |
When you're teaching do you get a mix of races? | 0:49:19 | 0:49:22 | |
No. Predominantly English. | 0:49:22 | 0:49:24 | |
That's interesting. | 0:49:24 | 0:49:27 | |
In a way it's a cultural education for the English, isn't it? | 0:49:27 | 0:49:30 | |
Yes, that's right. We put across how it's done at home. | 0:49:30 | 0:49:33 | |
How we would cook it compared to restaurants, yeah. | 0:49:33 | 0:49:36 | |
-Because it's at home as well. -That's what it is. Showing them it's not as hard as they think. | 0:49:36 | 0:49:41 | |
This is the big million-dollar question. | 0:49:41 | 0:49:43 | |
You might want to phone a friend. | 0:49:43 | 0:49:45 | |
Where it is the best place in Bradford to eat a curry? | 0:49:45 | 0:49:48 | |
It's got to be, it's got to be my mum's. | 0:49:48 | 0:49:51 | |
Your love of curry is really about your love of home. | 0:49:53 | 0:49:55 | |
It is. Yeah. It's just sharing that with other people. | 0:49:55 | 0:50:00 | |
Although we do share a love of curry, it's still a relatively recent arrival. | 0:50:00 | 0:50:05 | |
It still feels like it belongs to a different culture. | 0:50:05 | 0:50:08 | |
My next food was another immigrant from abroad, | 0:50:10 | 0:50:13 | |
but has been here for so long and rooted so firmly into Yorkshire soil | 0:50:13 | 0:50:16 | |
that most people think it's a local. | 0:50:16 | 0:50:19 | |
From the 1830's rhubarb has been grown | 0:50:21 | 0:50:24 | |
in the mysteriously-named | 0:50:24 | 0:50:26 | |
Rhubarb Triangle. | 0:50:26 | 0:50:27 | |
West Yorkshire farmers found the plant thrived in local conditions. | 0:50:29 | 0:50:34 | |
And over the next century, subsequent growers perfected the dark art of forcing. | 0:50:36 | 0:50:42 | |
In the winter, the farmers take the rhubarb roots out of the fields | 0:50:48 | 0:50:52 | |
and they put them into warm, windowless sheds. | 0:50:52 | 0:50:54 | |
The heat tricks the plant into thinking it is summer. | 0:50:59 | 0:51:02 | |
So it begins to grow. | 0:51:02 | 0:51:03 | |
Without sunlight, the rhubarb sprouts very fast, | 0:51:03 | 0:51:07 | |
producing stalks that are pink and sweet and tender. | 0:51:07 | 0:51:10 | |
This is an extraordinary sight. | 0:51:12 | 0:51:14 | |
At first it looks like a subterranean army ready to march. | 0:51:14 | 0:51:18 | |
There is also a strange atmosphere here. | 0:51:18 | 0:51:21 | |
A weird atmosphere of a psychedelic nightmare. | 0:51:21 | 0:51:24 | |
Sigmund Freud or the French Surrealists | 0:51:24 | 0:51:27 | |
would have had a field day with these tender pink erect stalks. | 0:51:27 | 0:51:30 | |
Straining to reach the light. | 0:51:30 | 0:51:32 | |
This is forced rhubarb. It is not grown in soil, | 0:51:35 | 0:51:38 | |
but from energy supplies stored up in its own massive roots. | 0:51:38 | 0:51:42 | |
A clever trick played by man upon nature. | 0:51:44 | 0:51:48 | |
There's also a pathos and the poignancy here. | 0:51:51 | 0:51:55 | |
Everything in this shed is dying and you can smell it in the air. | 0:51:55 | 0:51:59 | |
It gives the place the feeling of a medieval chapel in southern Spain or southern Italy. | 0:51:59 | 0:52:04 | |
The French mystic Georges Bataille | 0:52:04 | 0:52:06 | |
would have loved it here. | 0:52:06 | 0:52:08 | |
Sex, religion and death. | 0:52:08 | 0:52:10 | |
This final growth of pink stems is this lucrative crop's swansong. | 0:52:12 | 0:52:17 | |
By the end of spring, the last stalks are picked, | 0:52:17 | 0:52:20 | |
the roots are exhausted and the plants die. | 0:52:20 | 0:52:23 | |
In 2010, Yorkshire Forced Rhubarb was awarded a Protected Designation of Origin. | 0:52:23 | 0:52:30 | |
That means the terroir and farming practices of the Yorkshire Triangle | 0:52:30 | 0:52:34 | |
have been legally-recognised by the EU as unique. | 0:52:34 | 0:52:37 | |
Janet Oldroyd-Hulme's family have been growing rhubarb here since the 1930s. | 0:52:39 | 0:52:46 | |
-Hello, Janet, I've managed to find you in a sea of rhubarb. -Hi Andrew. | 0:52:46 | 0:52:50 | |
Did you like the forcing sheds? | 0:52:50 | 0:52:52 | |
It was well surreal, very psychedelic. | 0:52:52 | 0:52:55 | |
But the story of rhubarb is fantastic. | 0:52:55 | 0:52:58 | |
This is a very Northern British food, isn't it? | 0:52:58 | 0:53:00 | |
It is. But rhubarb originally was a native of Siberia. | 0:53:00 | 0:53:05 | |
It likes cold and it was found on the banks of the River Volga | 0:53:05 | 0:53:09 | |
so it likes moisture. | 0:53:09 | 0:53:12 | |
Our soils are water-retaining soils. | 0:53:12 | 0:53:15 | |
We're in a frost pocket so everything comes together | 0:53:15 | 0:53:19 | |
to make a perfect root with perfect conditions to release energy. | 0:53:19 | 0:53:24 | |
That's here in the Rhubarb Triangle. | 0:53:24 | 0:53:26 | |
I think that's a great story. | 0:53:26 | 0:53:28 | |
It starts on the River Volga and ends up farming on the urban fringes of Leeds. | 0:53:28 | 0:53:32 | |
There's more to rhubarb than meets the eye. | 0:53:32 | 0:53:35 | |
There is certainly, | 0:53:35 | 0:53:37 | |
but I'm biased, I grow it! | 0:53:37 | 0:53:40 | |
So far, so terroir. | 0:53:41 | 0:53:43 | |
What fascinates me is how much this modern success story owes to West Yorkshire's industrial past. | 0:53:43 | 0:53:51 | |
Janet, what's this stuff and what's it got to do with rhubarb? | 0:53:51 | 0:53:54 | |
This is shoddy. | 0:53:54 | 0:53:55 | |
Shoddy comes from the woollen industry, | 0:53:55 | 0:53:58 | |
that once dominated this area. | 0:53:58 | 0:54:01 | |
We still use it today as you can see. | 0:54:01 | 0:54:03 | |
But it mostly came as the fleeces went into the factories | 0:54:03 | 0:54:07 | |
-and all the debris was taken out. -Shoddy goods? | 0:54:07 | 0:54:10 | |
Shoddy goods rubbish. But it's not rubbish to a rhubarb grower. | 0:54:10 | 0:54:15 | |
Because it's packed with nitrogen and as the wool breaks down it releases that nitrogen. | 0:54:15 | 0:54:21 | |
That plant takes it up hungrily. | 0:54:21 | 0:54:23 | |
It loves nitrogen. | 0:54:23 | 0:54:24 | |
We have to get a lot of energy into the roots so it can tap into it when it goes into the forcing sheds. | 0:54:24 | 0:54:30 | |
As you saw, it's not planted, its growing from its own energy reserves. | 0:54:30 | 0:54:35 | |
So rhubarb is the perfect marriage between Yorkshire and the Industrial Revolution? | 0:54:35 | 0:54:41 | |
Yes. The coal was very important | 0:54:41 | 0:54:44 | |
because we have to heat the sheds in the depth of winter | 0:54:44 | 0:54:48 | |
to get to warm summer temperatures. | 0:54:48 | 0:54:51 | |
There you can see the remains of one of Yorkshire's pits, | 0:54:51 | 0:54:55 | |
which has now been grassed over. | 0:54:55 | 0:54:57 | |
So this was a mining pit? | 0:54:57 | 0:54:59 | |
That's how close the pits were. | 0:54:59 | 0:55:01 | |
So, the growers utilised that | 0:55:01 | 0:55:05 | |
and took out low-grade coal and coke to heat the sheds. | 0:55:05 | 0:55:10 | |
It's complicated stuff, rhubarb, isn't it, it's like medieval alchemy. | 0:55:10 | 0:55:15 | |
I used to love rhubarb as a kid but people used to laugh at it. | 0:55:15 | 0:55:18 | |
But now it's gone mega bling, hasn't it? | 0:55:18 | 0:55:20 | |
During the war it was part of the staple diet and it was extremely popular. | 0:55:20 | 0:55:24 | |
After the war when refrigerated transport came in | 0:55:24 | 0:55:28 | |
everybody moved on to something else. | 0:55:28 | 0:55:31 | |
So growers went bankrupt or they got out of their industry. | 0:55:31 | 0:55:34 | |
Today we're down to the last 12 producers. | 0:55:34 | 0:55:38 | |
Luckily, in time, just in time, this resurgence has come | 0:55:38 | 0:55:43 | |
so rhubarb is becoming very popular again. | 0:55:43 | 0:55:46 | |
Not just because it tastes nice but because of the health benefits. | 0:55:46 | 0:55:50 | |
You've got rhubarb Bellinis, you've got the French eating it, | 0:55:50 | 0:55:53 | |
the Portuguese are making liqueurs out of it. | 0:55:53 | 0:55:56 | |
-Rhubarb and custard. -Rhubarb and custard, yes indeed. | 0:55:58 | 0:56:02 | |
I don't like it at all. I hate custard. | 0:56:02 | 0:56:04 | |
Do you, I hate rhubarb. | 0:56:04 | 0:56:06 | |
I've got 350 grams of rhubarb which is about six or seven stalks. | 0:56:06 | 0:56:10 | |
We all know what rhubarb crumble should taste like | 0:56:10 | 0:56:14 | |
and therefore the little nuances of what you do with your rhubarb crumble are so important. | 0:56:14 | 0:56:19 | |
They're just going to be tipped. | 0:56:19 | 0:56:21 | |
Yorkshire Forced Rhubarb is only the 41st British food to get a protected name. | 0:56:23 | 0:56:28 | |
France has got 175. | 0:56:28 | 0:56:31 | |
We are only just beginning to celebrate and protect | 0:56:31 | 0:56:33 | |
our traditional foods in the way the French have always done. | 0:56:33 | 0:56:38 | |
And how fitting that we should end on pudding. | 0:56:38 | 0:56:41 | |
That lovely smell, butter and cooked flour. | 0:56:41 | 0:56:44 | |
A slightly sour smell of the rhubarb. | 0:56:44 | 0:56:47 | |
It's the stuff of Sunday lunches, really. | 0:56:47 | 0:56:50 | |
Look at that, mmm. | 0:56:50 | 0:56:53 | |
Bubbling. | 0:56:55 | 0:56:57 | |
Wow. | 0:56:58 | 0:57:00 | |
I came here from Paris to the North of England to test out this notion of terroir. | 0:57:02 | 0:57:08 | |
I've met the rhubarb lady, I've met the professor of fish and chips, | 0:57:08 | 0:57:12 | |
I've had encounters with Scousers and I've been terrorised by tripe. | 0:57:12 | 0:57:17 | |
And what I have found is that even if the food of the North isn't always good food, | 0:57:17 | 0:57:22 | |
it's always food of the people made by the people. | 0:57:22 | 0:57:26 | |
But one thing did surprise me, that's the emotions. | 0:57:26 | 0:57:30 | |
Food here is all about emotions. | 0:57:30 | 0:57:32 | |
It's about identity, | 0:57:32 | 0:57:34 | |
it's about feeling, it's about family, | 0:57:34 | 0:57:37 | |
above all it's about belonging. | 0:57:37 | 0:57:39 | |
What we eat and why we eat it is rooted in our particular corner of history. | 0:57:39 | 0:57:45 | |
No-one else shares our tastes and memories, because no-one else has our exact terroir. | 0:57:45 | 0:57:50 | |
That's what I'm taking away with me when I go back to Paris. | 0:57:53 | 0:57:56 | |
A sense the food of the North is really about belonging. | 0:57:56 | 0:57:59 | |
It's about coming from a place. | 0:57:59 | 0:58:01 | |
You cannot have at all a better definition of terroir. | 0:58:01 | 0:58:04 | |
The true taste of the territory is the true taste of home. | 0:58:04 | 0:58:08 | |
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