Browse content similar to The Picture Postcard World of Nigel Walmsley. Check below for episodes and series from the same categories and more!
Line | From | To | |
---|---|---|---|
'It's 7am on Monday 28th March. The news headlines this...' | 0:00:18 | 0:00:21 | |
Another Monday morning and I've got nothing to look forward to | 0:00:21 | 0:00:25 | |
except Mr Humphrys on the radio | 0:00:25 | 0:00:28 | |
and another threatening letter from the bank, | 0:00:28 | 0:00:31 | |
what I'd give for one little pleasant surprise. | 0:00:31 | 0:00:35 | |
Does no-one want to write to me? | 0:00:38 | 0:00:41 | |
A love letter from afar, perhaps. | 0:00:41 | 0:00:43 | |
Something. | 0:00:43 | 0:00:45 | |
Anything! | 0:00:45 | 0:00:46 | |
Oh, hello. | 0:00:49 | 0:00:51 | |
Now, what have we here? | 0:00:51 | 0:00:53 | |
the Rowland Hill Retired Men's Club. Touting for members, no doubt. | 0:00:58 | 0:01:04 | |
Hang on. they want me to give a talk on the picture postcard. | 0:01:04 | 0:01:09 | |
Why me? What do I know about the picture postcard? | 0:01:09 | 0:01:13 | |
Damn! | 0:01:13 | 0:01:15 | |
Hold on, Nigel. | 0:01:15 | 0:01:16 | |
There's dinner and a fee. | 0:01:16 | 0:01:19 | |
Ah. So what is there not to learn? I'll Google "postcards" | 0:01:19 | 0:01:23 | |
and this questing vole | 0:01:23 | 0:01:25 | |
will uncover the definitive story of the postcard. | 0:01:25 | 0:01:29 | |
I've got just a week to get this ready, so I need a plan of campaign. | 0:01:29 | 0:01:33 | |
I need to find out when the picture postcard started, | 0:01:33 | 0:01:36 | |
when it was popular. | 0:01:36 | 0:01:37 | |
I need to find out why people sent postcards, | 0:01:37 | 0:01:41 | |
and talk about the different types of card - | 0:01:41 | 0:01:44 | |
people, portraits, saucy postcards, places. | 0:01:44 | 0:01:49 | |
I'll find out if people collect postcards, | 0:01:49 | 0:01:52 | |
and if so, how much a good postcard goes for. | 0:01:52 | 0:01:55 | |
And most of all, I need some good stories on the way. | 0:01:55 | 0:02:00 | |
But basically it's pictures on the front, | 0:02:02 | 0:02:05 | |
writing on the back, this should be a piece de cake. | 0:02:05 | 0:02:07 | |
So what shall we call this masterpiece? | 0:02:07 | 0:02:10 | |
Yep, Kisses On The Bottom, oh, no, that's far too fruity. | 0:02:12 | 0:02:16 | |
A bit of poetic alliteration should do it so... | 0:02:18 | 0:02:22 | |
The Picture Postcard World of Nigel Walmsley. | 0:02:22 | 0:02:27 | |
As Mary Poppins once famously said, | 0:02:35 | 0:02:37 | |
let's begin at the beginning, or something like that. | 0:02:37 | 0:02:41 | |
Guy Atkins is a collector of early picture postcards, nice house. | 0:02:41 | 0:02:47 | |
Guy, tell me when did the picture postcard really take off? | 0:02:48 | 0:02:53 | |
The golden age of postcards was between 1902 and 1914. | 0:02:53 | 0:02:58 | |
1902 is particularly important | 0:02:58 | 0:03:01 | |
because that was the first year when divided backs were issued. | 0:03:01 | 0:03:05 | |
Up until that point, you'd either have an official postcard, | 0:03:05 | 0:03:11 | |
which had the address on the front and then a message on the back, | 0:03:11 | 0:03:16 | |
or you had simply a picture on the front | 0:03:16 | 0:03:19 | |
and then an address on the back. | 0:03:19 | 0:03:21 | |
1902, the postcard was divided | 0:03:21 | 0:03:24 | |
such that you could have a picture on the front, | 0:03:24 | 0:03:27 | |
a message on the left-hand side and then the address on the right, | 0:03:27 | 0:03:32 | |
and that suddenly became a really attractive | 0:03:32 | 0:03:35 | |
form of communication for people. | 0:03:35 | 0:03:37 | |
It took off. From 1902 there were 350 million cards sent, | 0:03:37 | 0:03:44 | |
by 1906 there were double that, | 0:03:44 | 0:03:46 | |
so 700 million cards being sent each year. | 0:03:46 | 0:03:49 | |
The postal system was a key factor | 0:03:49 | 0:03:51 | |
in why the cards were so useful to communicate through. | 0:03:51 | 0:03:56 | |
So rather than today where you've just got one post arriving each day, | 0:03:56 | 0:04:00 | |
they had up to seven posts arriving and that meant | 0:04:00 | 0:04:03 | |
that you could send a postcard in the morning | 0:04:03 | 0:04:06 | |
and it would arrive in the evening, so you could actually arrange | 0:04:06 | 0:04:10 | |
to meet up with someone that evening via postcard, | 0:04:10 | 0:04:13 | |
much as you do with a text message or e-mail today. | 0:04:13 | 0:04:16 | |
The golden age is so interesting | 0:04:18 | 0:04:20 | |
because people were using them for everyday life. | 0:04:20 | 0:04:23 | |
They're such fantastic insights into how life was in that period. | 0:04:23 | 0:04:28 | |
Some of your cards look pretty incomprehensible. | 0:04:32 | 0:04:35 | |
Yeah, this one is mostly written in code, | 0:04:35 | 0:04:39 | |
in some kind of Masonic cipher, | 0:04:39 | 0:04:41 | |
and that's quite common because, after all, | 0:04:41 | 0:04:44 | |
this is a form of communication that is public. | 0:04:44 | 0:04:48 | |
People are sending quite intimate messages, sometimes, | 0:04:48 | 0:04:51 | |
and they know that the card might be seen by the postman, | 0:04:51 | 0:04:55 | |
by their relatives before they arrive, | 0:04:55 | 0:04:58 | |
the people in the sorting office, | 0:04:58 | 0:05:01 | |
and so the Edwardians did adapt to this and used all sorts of codes. | 0:05:01 | 0:05:06 | |
Guy, did the Edwardians get up to any other tricks? | 0:05:11 | 0:05:14 | |
Well, this next card is one | 0:05:14 | 0:05:17 | |
that really plays with the form of postcards. | 0:05:17 | 0:05:21 | |
This is a card from Dorothy to her grandma | 0:05:21 | 0:05:25 | |
and the front is a picture of the Albert Memorial in Kensington, | 0:05:25 | 0:05:31 | |
but Dorothy's written it on the Tube, | 0:05:31 | 0:05:34 | |
she says, "I hope you will excuse this scribble as I am in the Tube." | 0:05:34 | 0:05:38 | |
It's a good example of the tilted stamp, | 0:05:38 | 0:05:41 | |
this was something that the Edwardians did | 0:05:41 | 0:05:44 | |
to show affection between the sender and the recipient. | 0:05:44 | 0:05:49 | |
So whilst we can't be sure that Dorothy wrote the card on the Tube, | 0:05:49 | 0:05:54 | |
we can be pretty sure that she loved her grandma. | 0:05:54 | 0:05:58 | |
Stone the crows, I think I might start using that code, | 0:05:59 | 0:06:03 | |
but where shall I put my stamp to the bank manager? | 0:06:03 | 0:06:07 | |
-LAUGHS: -Top right, "have you forgotten me." | 0:06:08 | 0:06:11 | |
If only. | 0:06:11 | 0:06:14 | |
This next card is possibly my favourite. | 0:06:15 | 0:06:20 | |
It's actually the first card that I bought | 0:06:20 | 0:06:23 | |
specifically for the message. | 0:06:23 | 0:06:26 | |
It's sent in 1904 December 21, so just before Christmas, | 0:06:27 | 0:06:31 | |
and it reads, "Come home at once, all is forgiven. | 0:06:31 | 0:06:35 | |
"We have not had any news from Father, | 0:06:35 | 0:06:38 | |
"there is heaps of m---y waiting for you to spend. | 0:06:38 | 0:06:42 | |
"Surely after that you could not stay away." | 0:06:42 | 0:06:46 | |
I don't think I've come across a card with more intrigue than this one. | 0:06:49 | 0:06:53 | |
It's impossible, it's impossible to know what was going on. | 0:06:54 | 0:06:58 | |
Was there money? Is it a joke? | 0:06:58 | 0:07:01 | |
What's the relationship between Miss Emerson and Mr Bollen | 0:07:01 | 0:07:06 | |
who the card has been sent care of. | 0:07:06 | 0:07:09 | |
Yes, sent just before Christmas, is it a desperate attempt | 0:07:11 | 0:07:15 | |
to get the family back for Christmas Day? | 0:07:15 | 0:07:17 | |
And then on the front, I think we get the sense | 0:07:19 | 0:07:23 | |
that this is quite a solemn message, | 0:07:23 | 0:07:26 | |
it's an image of the cross on Front Street in Rothbury. | 0:07:26 | 0:07:30 | |
There are bits of information here and there on the census, | 0:07:30 | 0:07:34 | |
but it doesn't really give you any kind of idea | 0:07:34 | 0:07:37 | |
as to what happened before or after this message. | 0:07:37 | 0:07:41 | |
So did Miss Emerson go home? No idea. | 0:07:41 | 0:07:45 | |
Do the messages affect the value of the cards? | 0:07:48 | 0:07:51 | |
The value of the card, of course, is what's on the front. | 0:07:51 | 0:07:54 | |
If it's an early photograph, | 0:07:54 | 0:07:56 | |
if it's a photograph of something rare, or a popular subject, | 0:07:56 | 0:08:00 | |
then those cards will have more value than others | 0:08:00 | 0:08:04 | |
but the ordinary messages which I'm most interested in, | 0:08:04 | 0:08:07 | |
yes, they carry no value apart from for myself. | 0:08:07 | 0:08:10 | |
"Ruby, will you please meet me on the corner of Holbeck Row | 0:08:14 | 0:08:17 | |
"on Sunday morning and give you a suck my toffee apple. | 0:08:17 | 0:08:21 | |
"Dear, Nell, what the deuce does Mrs K know about my doings, | 0:08:21 | 0:08:24 | |
"whether I have what you say or not. | 0:08:24 | 0:08:27 | |
"I never said the things accused of about Hall, | 0:08:27 | 0:08:31 | |
"it is entirely faked up, and as to the whisky, in the extreme. | 0:08:31 | 0:08:36 | |
"I am coming home tomorrow and may call, especially if there's any... | 0:08:36 | 0:08:42 | |
"I'm surprised at not having a letter from you. | 0:08:42 | 0:08:45 | |
"Don't you think you ought to write to me? I do. | 0:08:45 | 0:08:48 | |
"Will you please keep your feet out of my house in my absence | 0:08:48 | 0:08:51 | |
"and return the scarf pin which belongs to my husband." | 0:08:51 | 0:08:54 | |
A postman's life must have been far more fun in those days. | 0:08:57 | 0:09:01 | |
I want to know more. | 0:09:03 | 0:09:05 | |
First of all, where did the Edwardians buy their cards? | 0:09:05 | 0:09:09 | |
They would go to shops, | 0:09:10 | 0:09:11 | |
there were special postcard shops in those days. | 0:09:11 | 0:09:14 | |
An they stocked a massive range of cards, | 0:09:14 | 0:09:18 | |
often thousands of cards, | 0:09:18 | 0:09:20 | |
and people would go through and pick out what they wanted. | 0:09:20 | 0:09:25 | |
But then they'd also send them to their friends. | 0:09:25 | 0:09:27 | |
Their friends would say, I collect this subject or that subject | 0:09:27 | 0:09:31 | |
and so when they sent them a card they had to send one | 0:09:31 | 0:09:33 | |
on that subject in order to please their friend. | 0:09:33 | 0:09:36 | |
And that's when the craze really took off. | 0:09:36 | 0:09:40 | |
This is a favourite because it shows the old bathing hut | 0:09:44 | 0:09:48 | |
that used to be in vogue in Edwardian days. | 0:09:48 | 0:09:51 | |
So we just take the lever down | 0:09:51 | 0:09:54 | |
and we reveal the lady in her Edwardian bathing costume. | 0:09:54 | 0:10:00 | |
You just poke your finger through the hole | 0:10:00 | 0:10:04 | |
to give the nose of the lady for a comic effect. | 0:10:04 | 0:10:08 | |
This postcard is what is called "a hole to light" | 0:10:08 | 0:10:11 | |
which means that the windows and various other features | 0:10:11 | 0:10:15 | |
have been picked out so that when it's held up with a light behind it, | 0:10:15 | 0:10:20 | |
you can see these windows | 0:10:20 | 0:10:22 | |
as if they were all lit up and illuminated at night. | 0:10:22 | 0:10:26 | |
These cards, remember, were still sold at the time | 0:10:26 | 0:10:30 | |
for about a penny each and the postage in Britain was just a ha'penny. | 0:10:30 | 0:10:36 | |
So it encouraged people to be able to collect postcards | 0:10:36 | 0:10:40 | |
and it became an absolute craze. | 0:10:40 | 0:10:43 | |
Especially as the first years of the decade came up, 1905, six, seven, eight. | 0:10:43 | 0:10:49 | |
Postcard publishers came up all over the place in Britain. | 0:10:49 | 0:10:53 | |
And as a result people would send postcards to each other purely, | 0:10:53 | 0:10:57 | |
"Here is a postcard for your album." | 0:10:57 | 0:11:00 | |
And they would be able to collect them | 0:11:00 | 0:11:03 | |
and they'd have their albums like this one here | 0:11:03 | 0:11:06 | |
and they'd be able to put these collections together. | 0:11:06 | 0:11:09 | |
So on the next page here we have what's called | 0:11:09 | 0:11:13 | |
a composite set of three postcards | 0:11:13 | 0:11:15 | |
which, as you can see shows, a dachshund, | 0:11:15 | 0:11:18 | |
and the person sending the three cards | 0:11:18 | 0:11:21 | |
would send each one a separate week. | 0:11:21 | 0:11:24 | |
Maybe they'd send the middle one the first week, | 0:11:24 | 0:11:27 | |
the end one the second week, and then they'd send the first one the last week, | 0:11:27 | 0:11:31 | |
so that the recipient could put all three of them together | 0:11:31 | 0:11:35 | |
to make a composite. | 0:11:35 | 0:11:37 | |
Those cards of Tony's were gorgeous. | 0:11:41 | 0:11:44 | |
Now I need to enlist the help of a favourite old cove of mine, Ronnie Barker, | 0:11:44 | 0:11:48 | |
who I recall used to refer to himself as a deltiologist, | 0:11:48 | 0:11:54 | |
posh for postcard collector. | 0:11:54 | 0:11:56 | |
Must have him on tape somewhere. | 0:11:56 | 0:11:59 | |
First of all, we are very honoured today | 0:12:01 | 0:12:03 | |
by the presence of a distinguished delta... | 0:12:03 | 0:12:06 | |
deltiologist Ronnie Barker, I nearly got it wrong. | 0:12:06 | 0:12:09 | |
You nearly got it wrong. How are you? Nice to be here. | 0:12:09 | 0:12:12 | |
I remembered your name though. How long have you been collecting postcards now? | 0:12:12 | 0:12:17 | |
I'm afraid I have been collecting them about 20 years now. | 0:12:17 | 0:12:20 | |
I was just thinking back, it's about '57 I started. | 0:12:20 | 0:12:23 | |
How did you start? | 0:12:23 | 0:12:25 | |
I was with an actor called Peter Bull and he collected cards, | 0:12:25 | 0:12:28 | |
he sent cards to other people, and I went out one day | 0:12:28 | 0:12:31 | |
and saw a lot of cards at a penny each in those days. | 0:12:31 | 0:12:34 | |
I bought about 100 and I looked through them and thought, "I must give these to Peter." | 0:12:34 | 0:12:38 | |
I looked through them again and thought, | 0:12:38 | 0:12:40 | |
"Perhaps I'll give him half of them," and that's how I started. I picked the best half. | 0:12:40 | 0:12:44 | |
The cards that you've got there in your hand, they're all trains. | 0:12:44 | 0:12:48 | |
A lot of people specialise in just one subject, don't they? | 0:12:48 | 0:12:51 | |
Yes, these are very sought after. | 0:12:51 | 0:12:53 | |
They're London and North Western Railway Company. | 0:12:53 | 0:12:56 | |
You see Crewe Junction looking north. | 0:12:56 | 0:12:59 | |
Looking south probably looks exactly the same. | 0:12:59 | 0:13:03 | |
When did postcards actually start? | 0:13:03 | 0:13:05 | |
They started actually in 1870 in Germany, | 0:13:05 | 0:13:08 | |
but people didn't really collect them very much I think. | 0:13:08 | 0:13:12 | |
They became very popular, they became a craze in about 1903. | 0:13:12 | 0:13:16 | |
From 1903, 1908 is the absolute height | 0:13:16 | 0:13:18 | |
where everyone sent cards to everyone else. | 0:13:18 | 0:13:21 | |
Is he throwing her in or pulling her out? | 0:13:21 | 0:13:24 | |
-I don't know. -HE LAUGHS | 0:13:24 | 0:13:26 | |
I don't think he's made up his mind. | 0:13:26 | 0:13:28 | |
What else have we got, yes, I've got her, yes. | 0:13:29 | 0:13:33 | |
People were bigger in those days, even the small ones. | 0:13:33 | 0:13:36 | |
What have we got... Oh, yes, that looks German. | 0:13:36 | 0:13:39 | |
That looks German. That's wonderful. | 0:13:39 | 0:13:41 | |
You pull that and she gets a smack. | 0:13:41 | 0:13:43 | |
Yes, look at that. | 0:13:43 | 0:13:46 | |
End of day one and I'm warming to my theme. | 0:13:46 | 0:13:49 | |
Before I turn in, I think I'll see if the postcard is alive and well. | 0:13:49 | 0:13:54 | |
I'll write to some of my all time heroes | 0:13:55 | 0:13:58 | |
and see if I can get a postcard back. | 0:13:58 | 0:14:01 | |
I can pass round on the night of the talk. | 0:14:01 | 0:14:05 | |
ALARM BEEPS | 0:14:09 | 0:14:11 | |
What next. | 0:14:15 | 0:14:16 | |
Tom Phillips the artist seems to have written | 0:14:16 | 0:14:19 | |
the definitive book on postcards. | 0:14:19 | 0:14:22 | |
He'd be a good person to ask why people collect cards. | 0:14:22 | 0:14:25 | |
Postcard collecting is democratic, you can enter at any level you like | 0:14:28 | 0:14:32 | |
and stay that level if you like, | 0:14:32 | 0:14:34 | |
but most people are tempted upwards all the time. | 0:14:34 | 0:14:37 | |
They get every postcard of Piccadilly Circus except one | 0:14:37 | 0:14:41 | |
and then they're after that. | 0:14:41 | 0:14:43 | |
All the dealers know they're after that, | 0:14:43 | 0:14:46 | |
so if they get this very special postcard | 0:14:46 | 0:14:48 | |
of Piccadilly Circus in the war | 0:14:48 | 0:14:49 | |
with Eros covered up and no traffic around, | 0:14:49 | 0:14:52 | |
then that's worth a lot of money. | 0:14:52 | 0:14:54 | |
So if you have a postcard that was posted on the Titanic, | 0:14:54 | 0:14:58 | |
not on the Titanic but with the Titanic on it, | 0:14:58 | 0:15:02 | |
posted by one person that actually was just on it, | 0:15:02 | 0:15:04 | |
and sent postcards right from the beginning of the trip, | 0:15:04 | 0:15:07 | |
which was possible on a little boat that went back to the shore. | 0:15:07 | 0:15:12 | |
I mean, they've got something with the writing on it saying, | 0:15:12 | 0:15:16 | |
"I'm on the Titanic looking forward to a wonderful time," | 0:15:16 | 0:15:19 | |
and you've got something that's worth £1,000, £2,000, £3,000. | 0:15:19 | 0:15:23 | |
So people, they crave rarity. | 0:15:23 | 0:15:26 | |
I'm almost the opposite. I crave the commonplace. | 0:15:26 | 0:15:29 | |
The thing that's the most ordinary, that's what interests me. | 0:15:29 | 0:15:32 | |
But what was really interesting and sometimes not properly discussed, | 0:15:46 | 0:15:51 | |
is the postcards when you could get them made of yourself. | 0:15:51 | 0:15:56 | |
Go into a studio, you pay a shilling and you get 12 postcards of yourself. | 0:15:56 | 0:16:01 | |
Right in the very early years of the century, | 0:16:01 | 0:16:04 | |
was often the first representation of yourself that you had had. | 0:16:04 | 0:16:09 | |
In fact, it was a democratisation of portraiture | 0:16:09 | 0:16:12 | |
because the portrait before then | 0:16:12 | 0:16:15 | |
was only allowed to the gentry or the upper gentry. | 0:16:15 | 0:16:18 | |
And they had pictures of themselves and you had no pictures | 0:16:18 | 0:16:23 | |
of your family in the past, if you were an ordinary bloke. | 0:16:23 | 0:16:26 | |
But now, of course, you existed on a postcard | 0:16:26 | 0:16:29 | |
and you had a portrait of yourself, so this was an amazing thing. | 0:16:29 | 0:16:33 | |
I bought this one for about 20p. | 0:16:40 | 0:16:44 | |
It's not in very good condition, but what interests me here | 0:16:44 | 0:16:49 | |
is it's got everything that I require from a postcard. | 0:16:49 | 0:16:53 | |
It's got a narrative of why these people are there. | 0:16:53 | 0:16:57 | |
It's two people in Aberdeen in 1911, | 0:16:57 | 0:17:00 | |
obviously off the fishing fleet in some way. | 0:17:00 | 0:17:02 | |
And they've gone into a postcard studio, are they friends? | 0:17:02 | 0:17:05 | |
What do they say? What happened before this? What made them go in? | 0:17:05 | 0:17:09 | |
What was their relationship? What happened to them afterwards? | 0:17:09 | 0:17:13 | |
Everything is contained in the moment | 0:17:13 | 0:17:15 | |
and I just think that's incredibly intriguing. | 0:17:15 | 0:17:17 | |
What happened to the guy afterwards? The black guy. | 0:17:17 | 0:17:20 | |
He's obviously a West African. | 0:17:20 | 0:17:23 | |
There was a record of somebody taking up farming not far from Aberdeen in 1915 | 0:17:23 | 0:17:28 | |
who might have retired from the sea. | 0:17:28 | 0:17:30 | |
So the surroundings of that, | 0:17:30 | 0:17:32 | |
the emotional surroundings, the social surroundings, | 0:17:32 | 0:17:35 | |
the historic surroundings, the racial surroundings. | 0:17:35 | 0:17:38 | |
It vibrates with all that for me. | 0:17:38 | 0:17:41 | |
So that's why I find certain postcards incredibly rich. | 0:17:41 | 0:17:45 | |
I'd never have thought of that. | 0:17:45 | 0:17:48 | |
The picture postcard is the first democratisation of portraiture. | 0:17:48 | 0:17:52 | |
Great card and a great quote, I'll soon sound like an expert. | 0:17:52 | 0:17:56 | |
Now, I must look up a picture postcard magazine. | 0:18:08 | 0:18:12 | |
Ah, here's the one. | 0:18:14 | 0:18:16 | |
PHONE RINGS | 0:18:18 | 0:18:20 | |
Good afternoon, Reflections, Brian speaking. | 0:18:22 | 0:18:26 | |
-'Is that Reflections?' -It is indeed. | 0:18:26 | 0:18:28 | |
-'You publish the postcard magazine?' -We do, yes. | 0:18:28 | 0:18:31 | |
Many of the postcards that were published in the 1900-18 period, | 0:18:36 | 0:18:41 | |
the golden age, showed photographs, | 0:18:41 | 0:18:44 | |
showed scenes of towns or scenes of events | 0:18:44 | 0:18:47 | |
that just weren't replicated anywhere else in photos. | 0:18:47 | 0:18:51 | |
And often they're the only source of a particular event or a particular day in time. | 0:18:51 | 0:18:57 | |
They are massively important and I think they're often underrated. | 0:18:57 | 0:19:01 | |
Lots of Edwardian politicians were real personalities. | 0:19:06 | 0:19:11 | |
Joseph Chamberlain particularly. | 0:19:11 | 0:19:13 | |
And one of the elections of the Edwardian period in 1906 | 0:19:13 | 0:19:16 | |
was covered massively on postcards. | 0:19:16 | 0:19:19 | |
Many candidates had election cards, | 0:19:19 | 0:19:21 | |
there were cards detailing the results, | 0:19:21 | 0:19:24 | |
there were photographic cards | 0:19:24 | 0:19:26 | |
showing the results in a particular town being announced. | 0:19:26 | 0:19:29 | |
Postcards did reflect politics just as they reflected | 0:19:30 | 0:19:34 | |
all other areas of social and cultural life. | 0:19:34 | 0:19:37 | |
If there was, for example, a train crash in a particular location, | 0:19:43 | 0:19:48 | |
then a local photographer would be on hand to publish a postcard of the event. | 0:19:48 | 0:19:52 | |
And people would send these to their friends and relatives | 0:19:52 | 0:19:56 | |
to show them what was actually happening in their particular area. | 0:19:56 | 0:20:00 | |
This happened very fast as well. | 0:20:00 | 0:20:03 | |
I have a postcard of a train crash at Croydon on 10th July 1909. | 0:20:03 | 0:20:09 | |
This event was on a postcard postmarked the same day as the accident, which is amazingly fast. | 0:20:09 | 0:20:14 | |
So this means the crash happened in the morning, | 0:20:14 | 0:20:17 | |
a photographer took a picture, | 0:20:17 | 0:20:19 | |
it was printed as a postcard in the afternoon, | 0:20:19 | 0:20:22 | |
and somebody mailed it in the evening. | 0:20:22 | 0:20:24 | |
It's got a Croydon postmark on the same day, | 0:20:24 | 0:20:27 | |
so all this was happening amazingly quickly. | 0:20:27 | 0:20:30 | |
So postcard photographers | 0:20:30 | 0:20:32 | |
were almost a 24-hour news provider. | 0:20:32 | 0:20:36 | |
So what killed off the golden age of postcards? | 0:20:58 | 0:21:01 | |
It was a variety of reasons. At the end of the First World War, | 0:21:01 | 0:21:06 | |
the Royal Mail doubled the price of postage so postcards | 0:21:06 | 0:21:09 | |
that had previously cost of halfpenny to send suddenly cost a penny, and then very quickly | 0:21:09 | 0:21:14 | |
afterwards in 1921, they went up to three-halfpence so the cost had virtually trebled in three years. | 0:21:14 | 0:21:21 | |
Also at the end of the First World War there wasn't as much money around, | 0:21:21 | 0:21:27 | |
there wasn't the appetite that people had to go on holidays. | 0:21:27 | 0:21:31 | |
Families had broken up, husbands had been killed, fathers had been killed, | 0:21:31 | 0:21:37 | |
there just wasn't the same sort of cultural phenomenon around as had been pre-1914, the same atmosphere. | 0:21:37 | 0:21:43 | |
Also more people were having telephones installed in the 1920s and therefore the whole | 0:21:43 | 0:21:50 | |
function of postcards declined and postcards survived as either | 0:21:50 | 0:21:57 | |
view cards of touristy places or as comic cards. | 0:21:57 | 0:22:01 | |
End of a beautiful day, I think the Rowland Hill mob are in for a treat. | 0:22:05 | 0:22:11 | |
Up to seven deliveries a day, | 0:22:11 | 0:22:14 | |
they'd never have guessed that instant messaging started a century ago. | 0:22:14 | 0:22:19 | |
And that Croydon train crash story, you'd be amazed if that happened today. | 0:22:19 | 0:22:24 | |
Ah nice drop of vino plonko. | 0:22:24 | 0:22:29 | |
Tomorrow I'll look for a couple of big names to add weight to my thesis. | 0:22:29 | 0:22:34 | |
Now I love the way a postcard photograph fixes a place, a locality in print. | 0:22:52 | 0:22:57 | |
It's a chronicle of costumes, events, adverts, people through times of peace and times of war. | 0:22:57 | 0:23:04 | |
I can time travel to any location and see it develop through the decades, | 0:23:04 | 0:23:10 | |
this is becoming quite addictive. | 0:23:10 | 0:23:13 | |
And then we come to Wolverton Station... | 0:23:13 | 0:23:18 | |
That old buffer John Betjeman knew a thing or two about visiting tourist destinations. | 0:23:18 | 0:23:24 | |
There are no posters on Wolverton Station and you'll notice how the signal box is made to fit in | 0:23:24 | 0:23:32 | |
with the style of the cottage to which it is attached... | 0:23:32 | 0:23:35 | |
On arrival at a new place, Betjeman wrote, "I take a walk to the biggest stationers | 0:23:35 | 0:23:40 | |
"and consult one of the revolving stands of views. | 0:23:40 | 0:23:43 | |
"There I generally find postcards taken by a local photographer." Brilliant. | 0:23:43 | 0:23:47 | |
If you need an instant shortcut to the best views of any town, | 0:23:47 | 0:23:52 | |
just go and buy all the local postcards. | 0:23:52 | 0:23:55 | |
Of course this station is much more spick and span | 0:23:55 | 0:23:58 | |
than any other, it's won 30 prizes in the Eastern Region for doing so. | 0:23:58 | 0:24:02 | |
I'm not surprised and it's not just the outside, I mean look here at | 0:24:02 | 0:24:08 | |
the public waiting room and booking office. | 0:24:08 | 0:24:11 | |
It looks to me from the carving and the style of it generally | 0:24:11 | 0:24:16 | |
as though it was done in the time of King Edward VII. | 0:24:16 | 0:24:20 | |
Thank you, John! | 0:24:20 | 0:24:22 | |
By the time the Second World War had ended, and with the telephone becoming more common, | 0:24:24 | 0:24:29 | |
I suppose the picture postcard just morphed into the modern holiday postcard. | 0:24:29 | 0:24:35 | |
With the new generation starting to travel, the cliches of this is where | 0:24:35 | 0:24:38 | |
we're staying and wish you were here became common currency. | 0:24:38 | 0:24:43 | |
So I really need to speak to a tame telly don in order to examine the nature of this discourse | 0:24:46 | 0:24:52 | |
to inject a more intellectual tone to my upcoming after-dinner lecture. | 0:24:52 | 0:25:01 | |
-Hello. -Is that Prof John Sutherland? -None other. | 0:25:06 | 0:25:11 | |
I understand you're always up for doing something on television or radio. | 0:25:11 | 0:25:14 | |
Yes, and if you got any donkeys I'll talk the hind legs off them. | 0:25:14 | 0:25:18 | |
OK, I'll be straight round" | 0:25:18 | 0:25:22 | |
John, I'm doing a talk on postcards. Tell me, do they have their own special language? | 0:25:22 | 0:25:29 | |
You'd write things which | 0:25:29 | 0:25:32 | |
didn't contain any kind of information content at all, | 0:25:32 | 0:25:35 | |
they were just what linguists call "phatic communion." | 0:25:35 | 0:25:39 | |
That is to say they just established a relationship of community | 0:25:39 | 0:25:44 | |
with the person you were... Just as in a railway carriage, you might say, "Nice weather." | 0:25:44 | 0:25:48 | |
That is not information for the person sitting opposite, | 0:25:48 | 0:25:51 | |
it's a way of just a way of creating a short-term relationship, | 0:25:51 | 0:25:54 | |
saying wish you were here, having a lovely time, weather good, | 0:25:54 | 0:25:58 | |
bad, indifferent and so on. | 0:25:58 | 0:25:59 | |
The kinds of things would really be saying, | 0:25:59 | 0:26:02 | |
"I'm not lost, I may be off your immediate radar but I shall be back." | 0:26:02 | 0:26:07 | |
I don't thing that happens any more, I think the world has shrunk | 0:26:07 | 0:26:11 | |
so in fact you might make a phone call or send an e-mail | 0:26:11 | 0:26:14 | |
but in those days it was a big deal to travel | 0:26:14 | 0:26:18 | |
and part of that big deal package was sending back your picture postcards. | 0:26:18 | 0:26:23 | |
"Dear Win and Louis, thanks for your lovely card. | 0:26:23 | 0:26:26 | |
"As you will see, we are on holiday and enjoying every minute of it | 0:26:26 | 0:26:29 | |
"after an enjoyable ride in the coach. Love Ivy and Bill." | 0:26:29 | 0:26:33 | |
"Dear Mother, we're having a lovely hol and the weather is really nice for a change. | 0:26:33 | 0:26:38 | |
"Hope you are feeling better and that you have got the pot off. | 0:26:38 | 0:26:41 | |
"All our love Mary and Frank." | 0:26:41 | 0:26:43 | |
"Dear Roy and Dorothy, having a good time, supped some stuff last night, dancing tonight. | 0:26:43 | 0:26:49 | |
"Twin beds here, nice to relax away from it all. | 0:26:49 | 0:26:53 | |
"Love Frank and Mary." | 0:26:53 | 0:26:55 | |
One of the interesting aspects of postcards was they were, | 0:26:55 | 0:26:59 | |
in a very small but interesting way, taboo-breaking, | 0:26:59 | 0:27:03 | |
that's to say the early 20th century there was repression on | 0:27:03 | 0:27:09 | |
things which were considered saucy and naughty, | 0:27:09 | 0:27:13 | |
or to go one step further - obscene. | 0:27:13 | 0:27:16 | |
Postcards largely escaped that because they were fugitive things, | 0:27:16 | 0:27:19 | |
they would just be on a stand if you went to a newsagents. | 0:27:19 | 0:27:23 | |
It was very hard to actually oppress them | 0:27:23 | 0:27:26 | |
in the same way that cinema was oppressed or radio. | 0:27:26 | 0:27:31 | |
There was an area of freedom, together with certain other things because | 0:27:31 | 0:27:35 | |
when you sent postcards it was because you were away from home, | 0:27:35 | 0:27:38 | |
when morals were relaxed of course, so to some extent there was | 0:27:38 | 0:27:42 | |
this feeling of an immoral break out associated with some postcards. | 0:27:42 | 0:27:48 | |
Of course, famously was the one that Orwell wrote about | 0:27:48 | 0:27:52 | |
at great length, the Donald McGill postcard. | 0:27:52 | 0:27:55 | |
Donald McGill is the king of the double entendre - | 0:27:55 | 0:27:59 | |
he knew how to pull it off! Ha, ha! | 0:27:59 | 0:28:03 | |
So I must pack my suitcase and travel back to the land that time forgot, | 0:28:03 | 0:28:08 | |
this is the bit I'm looking forward to, the saucy postcard. | 0:28:08 | 0:28:13 | |
Some McGill cards are guaranteed to perk up my talk. | 0:28:13 | 0:28:17 | |
Mr McGill sees every angle, he is seeing the female angle, | 0:28:30 | 0:28:34 | |
he is seeing the child's angle, | 0:28:34 | 0:28:36 | |
and he's just literally doing a raspberry at everybody. | 0:28:36 | 0:28:39 | |
Donald McGill was perhaps the most renowned comic seaside postcard artist of all time. | 0:28:46 | 0:28:53 | |
McGill really invented the whole genre, I don't think it's too strong an exaggeration to say. | 0:28:53 | 0:29:00 | |
He was in right at the beginning of | 0:29:00 | 0:29:03 | |
the postcard boom | 0:29:03 | 0:29:05 | |
and he in fact was the first full-time postcard artist. | 0:29:05 | 0:29:09 | |
He invented that genre, he had a huge output he worked | 0:29:09 | 0:29:14 | |
for almost 60 years | 0:29:14 | 0:29:18 | |
and | 0:29:18 | 0:29:20 | |
produced over 12,000 postcards. | 0:29:20 | 0:29:23 | |
Most postcards | 0:29:35 | 0:29:37 | |
ran into trouble as a result of local busybodies or puritans | 0:29:37 | 0:29:43 | |
getting awfully worked up and complaining. | 0:29:43 | 0:29:46 | |
And when they complained, the police had to take action, | 0:29:46 | 0:29:50 | |
and then cards were confiscated from retailers | 0:29:50 | 0:29:55 | |
and the retailers found themselves in the magistrates courts and sometimes | 0:29:55 | 0:30:00 | |
even in the Crown Courts. | 0:30:00 | 0:30:02 | |
The Isle of Man and Blackpool, they set up very studious censoring committees where they would have | 0:30:11 | 0:30:18 | |
all postcard artists sending their designs before the season started and those cards would be stamped | 0:30:18 | 0:30:26 | |
approved or disapproved so that they would know | 0:30:26 | 0:30:28 | |
that those cards were acceptable or not acceptable in their town. | 0:30:28 | 0:30:33 | |
McGill was prosecuted and appeared in court at Lincoln Quarter Sessions in 1954. | 0:30:42 | 0:30:48 | |
21 of his cards were prosecuted and he was advised by his defence counsel | 0:30:48 | 0:30:55 | |
to plead guilty on four counts, | 0:30:55 | 0:30:59 | |
probably to achieve a more favourable outcome. | 0:30:59 | 0:31:02 | |
Bernard, what effect did the prosecutions have on the postcard trade? | 0:31:02 | 0:31:07 | |
Well, it's often felt that the prosecutions did damage the postcard industry. | 0:31:07 | 0:31:13 | |
Opinion differs and there is an argument which says | 0:31:13 | 0:31:17 | |
that the prosecutions actually gave the industry a boost. | 0:31:17 | 0:31:21 | |
Now for my celebrity surprise, the irrepressible Michael Winner. | 0:31:27 | 0:31:33 | |
Michael, do you think the McGill humour is quintessentially British? | 0:31:33 | 0:31:37 | |
Donald McGill was archetypally British, he shows the British | 0:31:37 | 0:31:42 | |
bravado during the war, he shows wonderful pictures of children, | 0:31:42 | 0:31:47 | |
the pictures were very beautiful, and he shows the British | 0:31:47 | 0:31:52 | |
as what they still are and people pretend they are not, | 0:31:52 | 0:31:56 | |
which is a cheerfully vulgar race. | 0:31:56 | 0:31:59 | |
They're quite earthy, and McGill summed up that British spirit of fun | 0:31:59 | 0:32:05 | |
and laughter. | 0:32:05 | 0:32:07 | |
He was a great social commentator of the times. | 0:32:07 | 0:32:10 | |
But Mr Winner, Michael, George Orwell said that | 0:32:10 | 0:32:14 | |
the McGill cards had ever present obscenity and a lowness of mental... | 0:32:14 | 0:32:19 | |
George Orwell was an idiot. It's quite simple, he was an idiot, | 0:32:19 | 0:32:22 | |
I mean these were very fine drawings. | 0:32:22 | 0:32:24 | |
People decried the Impressionists, | 0:32:24 | 0:32:26 | |
there was a riot when the Impressionists first had an exhibition. | 0:32:26 | 0:32:30 | |
George Orwell wasn't an art critic, he had his qualities somewhere else, | 0:32:30 | 0:32:35 | |
I'm not sure where, in the toilet maybe. | 0:32:35 | 0:32:37 | |
But what does he know about art, it was impertinent of him. | 0:32:37 | 0:32:42 | |
He can have a view of course, he's a human being, but it's a rubbish view. | 0:32:42 | 0:32:45 | |
Lot 159, first of the McGill postcards. | 0:32:45 | 0:32:49 | |
-£50? -But in those days I did go to the option, I think | 0:32:51 | 0:32:55 | |
quite a few came up in Sotheby's Belgravia, which no longer exists, | 0:32:55 | 0:32:59 | |
-and I stood there among the motley... -280... 300. | 0:32:59 | 0:33:03 | |
And I bought two or three and then I just kept buying them endlessly. | 0:33:03 | 0:33:08 | |
I ended up with about 180 of them. | 0:33:08 | 0:33:11 | |
Sold at 450 then. | 0:33:11 | 0:33:13 | |
Yours. | 0:33:15 | 0:33:16 | |
But if the McGill cards were so lovely, why did you sell them? | 0:33:16 | 0:33:20 | |
I sold mine because I have about 700 pictures up in my house | 0:33:20 | 0:33:24 | |
and I had no wall space for them, there's a limit of space. | 0:33:24 | 0:33:29 | |
I mean in my toilets I've got seven, eight, nine important pictures. | 0:33:29 | 0:33:33 | |
I couldn't build another house to put them up, so I flogged 'em! | 0:33:33 | 0:33:38 | |
Well, this is coming along very nicely for my talk. | 0:33:38 | 0:33:41 | |
I've got history, messages, a prof with phatic communion, and | 0:33:41 | 0:33:45 | |
saucy postcards with Michael Winner. Must work in a, "calm down, dear" joke. | 0:33:45 | 0:33:52 | |
Now I need the post-war stuff and some people who do curious things with postcards. | 0:33:52 | 0:33:57 | |
Time for a quick trip to Phil, the Demon Barber. | 0:34:05 | 0:34:08 | |
He has his own collection of cards, every one of them a barber's shop. | 0:34:08 | 0:34:14 | |
Hi, Phil. | 0:34:14 | 0:34:15 | |
Hello, how are you? | 0:34:15 | 0:34:17 | |
Yes, yes, good. Now you collect cards of barbershops, don't you? | 0:34:17 | 0:34:20 | |
Yes, I do. People send them from all over the world. | 0:34:20 | 0:34:24 | |
That one's from India, | 0:34:24 | 0:34:26 | |
There's a few here actually from India. | 0:34:27 | 0:34:30 | |
Over here, I think that's in Puerto Rico, that's France, | 0:34:32 | 0:34:39 | |
and this one | 0:34:39 | 0:34:40 | |
they're suggesting I should get a bit more modern. | 0:34:40 | 0:34:44 | |
It says, "Isn't it about time you brought your shop into the 20th century?". | 0:34:44 | 0:34:48 | |
Well, I suppose he's right really, what do you think? | 0:34:48 | 0:34:53 | |
-Well, it's hardly the cutting edge. -Thank you, goodbye. | 0:34:53 | 0:34:57 | |
Ha, ha, ha. Actually, I think this trade bit can be quite colourful and charming whether it's beer, | 0:34:57 | 0:35:03 | |
holidays, or a bank that not only could you withdraw from, | 0:35:03 | 0:35:08 | |
you can tow it away - caravans. | 0:35:08 | 0:35:11 | |
Caravans, holidays, didn't Brian have something to say on that? | 0:35:11 | 0:35:17 | |
Postcards really came into their own again in the '60s, '70s, 'and 80s. | 0:35:17 | 0:35:22 | |
I think it was fuelled by enthusiasm of people in Britain for package holidays abroad and also for | 0:35:22 | 0:35:28 | |
holidaying at the various Butlins holiday camps and other camps around this country. | 0:35:28 | 0:35:34 | |
Butlins themselves published thousands and thousands | 0:35:34 | 0:35:38 | |
of different designs and so you get an absolute mountain of postcards available now that people sent | 0:35:38 | 0:35:44 | |
during that period detailing their experiences at Butlins holiday camps. | 0:35:44 | 0:35:49 | |
These have become incredibly collectable again now. | 0:35:49 | 0:35:53 | |
I need to find out more on the post-war holiday era, | 0:35:54 | 0:35:58 | |
I need an expert. | 0:35:58 | 0:36:00 | |
Ah, here he is, the Butlins bloke. | 0:36:00 | 0:36:03 | |
Martin Parr, why are you fascinated by Butlins postcards? | 0:36:12 | 0:36:18 | |
When I was at college I used to go and work | 0:36:18 | 0:36:20 | |
at Butlins holiday camp, Filey, | 0:36:20 | 0:36:22 | |
and it was there that I discovered the postcards of John Hinde. | 0:36:22 | 0:36:25 | |
I was really taken with these brightly-coloured, brash postcards | 0:36:25 | 0:36:29 | |
and started to collect them and got really fascinated by the whole history. | 0:36:29 | 0:36:33 | |
I discover that these were done a few years earlier when Butlins had commissioned John Hinde to completely | 0:36:33 | 0:36:38 | |
update their postcard stock and I started to collect these. | 0:36:38 | 0:36:43 | |
They were a fantastic social document of this time at Butlins | 0:36:43 | 0:36:48 | |
so for me they hit all the nails on the head. | 0:36:48 | 0:36:50 | |
They're social history, they're great to look at, | 0:36:50 | 0:36:52 | |
and they tell us about the clothes and the interiors that people | 0:36:52 | 0:36:57 | |
were exploring and using in the late '60s and early '70s. | 0:36:57 | 0:37:01 | |
John Hinde decided to employ German photographers because technically they were a lot better. | 0:37:01 | 0:37:06 | |
They were all shot on 5x4s so big cameras, | 0:37:06 | 0:37:08 | |
they would then collaborated with the Redcoats and arrange people | 0:37:08 | 0:37:12 | |
literally within the photograph, so they're all entirely staged | 0:37:12 | 0:37:15 | |
and they're super-staged and that's how these postcards would come together. | 0:37:15 | 0:37:19 | |
So they spent a lot of time maybe shooting one or two per day, | 0:37:19 | 0:37:23 | |
fixing them up, getting everything right, wham-bam shooting them. | 0:37:23 | 0:37:27 | |
Then the saturations and the separations for these | 0:37:27 | 0:37:30 | |
postcards were made in Italy to give this very bright, intense colour, | 0:37:30 | 0:37:34 | |
which is all part of the secret as to why John Hinde | 0:37:34 | 0:37:37 | |
was such a successful postcard manufacturer. | 0:37:37 | 0:37:40 | |
I've chosen here are couple to show you which are from Filey, the very place that I worked at. | 0:37:40 | 0:37:44 | |
Here's the French Bar, the fantastic interior. | 0:37:44 | 0:37:48 | |
Look at the way they've been arranged, | 0:37:48 | 0:37:50 | |
the people being set up, fantastic colours. | 0:37:50 | 0:37:52 | |
Look at the clothes that people are wearing. | 0:37:52 | 0:37:55 | |
And then Filey from Butlins is the Beachcomber Bar. | 0:37:55 | 0:37:58 | |
I worked for two summers at Butlins, first as a black and white walkie, | 0:37:58 | 0:38:01 | |
we were called, and then the second year I was promoted | 0:38:01 | 0:38:04 | |
to a colour walkie and the place where the colour | 0:38:04 | 0:38:07 | |
walkies were allowed to go to was the Beachcomber Bar, | 0:38:07 | 0:38:10 | |
which was the height of sophistication at Butlins, Filey. | 0:38:10 | 0:38:14 | |
Look at the colours as well. Aren't they absolutely fantastic? | 0:38:14 | 0:38:17 | |
Now Martin is also into motorway cards and '60s architecture, | 0:38:21 | 0:38:27 | |
but if push came to shove I wonder which he'd plump for. | 0:38:27 | 0:38:30 | |
Martin, what's your all-time favourite, is it a Butlins card? | 0:38:30 | 0:38:34 | |
Difficult to actually pin down one card that would be my absolute favourite but I guess | 0:38:34 | 0:38:40 | |
my collection of motorways is particularly cherished | 0:38:40 | 0:38:43 | |
and within that, for example, let me show this one here, | 0:38:43 | 0:38:46 | |
the Captain's Table in Leicester Forest East. | 0:38:46 | 0:38:49 | |
This was taken a few years after it opened and this is as a time when | 0:38:49 | 0:38:53 | |
the actual motorway service station was very glamorous and people | 0:38:53 | 0:38:56 | |
would come in and book themselves in for a meal on a motorway service station. | 0:38:56 | 0:39:02 | |
It was absolutely the bee's knees for a night out. | 0:39:02 | 0:39:05 | |
And here look at this other postcard of the M1, what's fantastic about it is how deserted it was. | 0:39:05 | 0:39:11 | |
Then the M1 was a really heroic thing, I remember being taken on | 0:39:11 | 0:39:14 | |
to the M1 is a treat when I was a teenager. | 0:39:14 | 0:39:17 | |
So the postcard is a very good indicator of how our social trends and attitudes have changed. | 0:39:23 | 0:39:28 | |
The period in particular that these cards come from was the time in the '60s and '70s | 0:39:28 | 0:39:34 | |
when Britain was building itself up again after the Second World War | 0:39:34 | 0:39:38 | |
and many of the things they show, such as motorways, shopping centres, all look now rather drab | 0:39:38 | 0:39:44 | |
and dreary so although technically we think of them now as a bit boring, | 0:39:44 | 0:39:48 | |
of course at the time they were really the height | 0:39:48 | 0:39:50 | |
of the new achievement of the utopia being built in Britain after the Second World War. | 0:39:50 | 0:39:55 | |
What is the appeal in boring postcards? | 0:39:57 | 0:40:01 | |
I mean, look at this, a power station control panel, | 0:40:01 | 0:40:04 | |
is this what they call post-modern? | 0:40:04 | 0:40:06 | |
Hang on though, there may be something in this. | 0:40:06 | 0:40:09 | |
On one of my old Parky's, I think there's a bit of Andrew Sachs | 0:40:09 | 0:40:14 | |
with the ultimate in boring postcards. | 0:40:14 | 0:40:17 | |
Earlier in this series I was talking to Andrew Sachs about his life and times, | 0:40:17 | 0:40:20 | |
about playing Manuel in Fawlty Towers and all that, when he mentioned his hobby of collecting boring postcards. | 0:40:20 | 0:40:24 | |
Well, that started it, from all parts of Britain they came to us by the sackful. | 0:40:24 | 0:40:29 | |
What Andrew Sachs is regarded as a private habit | 0:40:29 | 0:40:32 | |
proved to be a national pastime. | 0:40:32 | 0:40:34 | |
Anyway tonight is a big night for all the boring postcard collectors | 0:40:34 | 0:40:36 | |
because we're going to announce the most boring postcards of all time | 0:40:36 | 0:40:40 | |
and celebrate with a suitably boring prize. | 0:40:40 | 0:40:43 | |
To do the honours, please welcome the man who started it all, | 0:40:43 | 0:40:45 | |
Mr Andrew Sachs. | 0:40:45 | 0:40:47 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:40:47 | 0:40:50 | |
Here's the card you might have seen before, | 0:40:58 | 0:41:00 | |
it's this one showing a kilted gentleman | 0:41:00 | 0:41:03 | |
looking at a large hole. | 0:41:03 | 0:41:04 | |
The person who sent it | 0:41:04 | 0:41:05 | |
suspected he was doing something other than looking | 0:41:05 | 0:41:08 | |
and he christened it "Piddler of the Glenn." | 0:41:08 | 0:41:13 | |
Let's move on now, Andrew, to the three that we've picked out | 0:41:13 | 0:41:17 | |
in reverse order, as somebody else is always fond of saying. | 0:41:17 | 0:41:20 | |
-Yes. -So the third then. | 0:41:20 | 0:41:22 | |
Well, these three, I must say, | 0:41:22 | 0:41:25 | |
they lowered our spirits considerably | 0:41:25 | 0:41:29 | |
and set the blood coagulating in my veins. | 0:41:29 | 0:41:32 | |
This one here is a classic example, | 0:41:32 | 0:41:35 | |
it's caravans, Nissen huts, prefabs are always good value, | 0:41:35 | 0:41:39 | |
and it would have actually come possibly second or even first | 0:41:39 | 0:41:43 | |
except for the inscription on the back | 0:41:43 | 0:41:45 | |
which says "Scenes of interest and beauty from Lyneham in Wiltshire." | 0:41:45 | 0:41:49 | |
Mmm, yes, a likely story. That was number three. | 0:41:49 | 0:41:52 | |
The second one, | 0:41:52 | 0:41:54 | |
this is an American entry. | 0:41:54 | 0:41:56 | |
Yes, from Judith Oakley, it's quite nice, it's again in colour | 0:41:56 | 0:42:00 | |
but it's OK, it's a brick wall with some holes in it. | 0:42:00 | 0:42:04 | |
The O'Brian Hall, Amherst Campus, it says. | 0:42:04 | 0:42:07 | |
Well, that excites me. The thing that stops it again from winning | 0:42:07 | 0:42:10 | |
is I think a little too much excitement | 0:42:10 | 0:42:12 | |
about the trees at the bottom. | 0:42:12 | 0:42:14 | |
Normally, trees are pruned at the top, | 0:42:14 | 0:42:16 | |
these are pruned at the bottom. | 0:42:16 | 0:42:21 | |
Let's now look at the winner. | 0:42:21 | 0:42:24 | |
Yes, this is totally underwhelming, it's wonderful. | 0:42:26 | 0:42:30 | |
Now, for the benefit of those viewers | 0:42:32 | 0:42:35 | |
who have perhaps summoned up enough energy to switch off | 0:42:35 | 0:42:38 | |
or go into a coma, | 0:42:38 | 0:42:40 | |
may I describe it a little bit? | 0:42:40 | 0:42:42 | |
It's almost uniformly grey or off sepia, | 0:42:42 | 0:42:46 | |
it is totally without interest. | 0:42:46 | 0:42:48 | |
Right, so that's the out and out winner. | 0:42:48 | 0:42:51 | |
Ah, boring postcards. | 0:42:53 | 0:42:56 | |
ALARM BLEEPS | 0:43:00 | 0:43:03 | |
I'm really well stocked with stories but I'm sure I'm missing something. | 0:43:09 | 0:43:13 | |
The postcard OF art and the postcard AS art, | 0:43:13 | 0:43:17 | |
what was it Professor John said? | 0:43:17 | 0:43:20 | |
They're very beautiful, a lot of them, and they were artworks. | 0:43:20 | 0:43:25 | |
This continues to the present day, and if you look for instance | 0:43:25 | 0:43:30 | |
at the kind of postcards which people like me actually buy... | 0:43:30 | 0:43:34 | |
I've got one in my pocket actually, | 0:43:34 | 0:43:36 | |
which is a very lovely picture by a very good photographer George Rodger. | 0:43:36 | 0:43:43 | |
Now I wouldn't necessarily, even though I admire his work, | 0:43:43 | 0:43:48 | |
I wouldn't necessarily buy a whole book, | 0:43:48 | 0:43:50 | |
they're very expensive coffee table book of Roger's work, | 0:43:50 | 0:43:55 | |
and also if I send it, it signals to the person I am sending it to | 0:43:55 | 0:43:59 | |
that we have shared high cultural values. | 0:43:59 | 0:44:02 | |
It's a kind of snobbery but I think a very innocent kind of snobbery, | 0:44:02 | 0:44:06 | |
the kind of postcards you choose define you. | 0:44:06 | 0:44:09 | |
Go to a museum for instance and people are buying postcards. | 0:44:09 | 0:44:14 | |
They're not necessarily writing wish you were here | 0:44:14 | 0:44:16 | |
and sending them to their nearest and dearest like we used to | 0:44:16 | 0:44:19 | |
but people still like to have them, | 0:44:19 | 0:44:21 | |
they still like to have around, | 0:44:21 | 0:44:22 | |
they're nice objects, nice things and also they are very cheap | 0:44:22 | 0:44:26 | |
so you leave the museum thinking you bought something, | 0:44:26 | 0:44:29 | |
you've got a relic, and it only cost you 90p or someone like that. | 0:44:29 | 0:44:32 | |
Gilbert and George have done some amazing things with postcards, | 0:44:35 | 0:44:40 | |
namely, stick them in patterns. | 0:44:40 | 0:44:43 | |
Oh, get on with it. | 0:44:48 | 0:44:50 | |
Why did you choose to live as artists? | 0:44:57 | 0:45:00 | |
It was not our choice, we are driven to be artists. | 0:45:00 | 0:45:04 | |
What's your favourite colour? | 0:45:04 | 0:45:07 | |
We have no taste, we are artists. | 0:45:07 | 0:45:10 | |
These Gilbert and George patterns of postcards from phone boxes | 0:45:10 | 0:45:15 | |
and tourist shops are supposed to represent the male urethra. | 0:45:15 | 0:45:19 | |
It is meant to be ironic or are they just taking the piss? | 0:45:19 | 0:45:24 | |
I mean is that art or artifice? | 0:45:24 | 0:45:27 | |
Come on, that doesn't look a bit like my urethra. | 0:45:27 | 0:45:30 | |
Actually I don't know what it looks like because I don't think I've ever looked at it. | 0:45:30 | 0:45:33 | |
OK, if you can't beat them, glue them. | 0:45:33 | 0:45:38 | |
There, I'll call that Donald McGill's Blackpool Tower, | 0:45:42 | 0:45:45 | |
must be worth a bob or two. | 0:45:45 | 0:45:48 | |
The postcard is a form loved by many artists | 0:45:50 | 0:45:56 | |
and I hear someone is doing something special with mail art. | 0:45:56 | 0:45:59 | |
That's art using the post. | 0:45:59 | 0:46:02 | |
To find out more, I'm going to Chelsea College of Art. | 0:46:02 | 0:46:08 | |
My name is Nigel Bents and I work at Chelsea College of Art, | 0:46:10 | 0:46:14 | |
and I'm involved with something called mail art. | 0:46:14 | 0:46:17 | |
My explorations into mail art | 0:46:17 | 0:46:20 | |
made me go in all sorts of different directions | 0:46:20 | 0:46:23 | |
until I discovered that for me the postcard is an exquisite form. | 0:46:23 | 0:46:29 | |
It wasn't until some years later | 0:46:31 | 0:46:33 | |
that I came across somebody called Reginald Bray, | 0:46:33 | 0:46:38 | |
the father of mail art. | 0:46:38 | 0:46:41 | |
Bray also produced some remarkable postcards, | 0:46:41 | 0:46:45 | |
in their concepts they were just tremendous | 0:46:45 | 0:46:48 | |
and there's a couple that I'm going to show you now. | 0:46:48 | 0:46:51 | |
It does what it says on the card really, | 0:46:56 | 0:46:59 | |
it's to any resident of London | 0:46:59 | 0:47:01 | |
and this postcard he sent to any resident in London. | 0:47:01 | 0:47:06 | |
Sadly it didn't get sent, | 0:47:06 | 0:47:07 | |
it's got a rubber stamp here of insufficiently addressed, | 0:47:07 | 0:47:12 | |
but a tremendous idea. | 0:47:12 | 0:47:14 | |
He was successful in sending postcards | 0:47:14 | 0:47:18 | |
that were more specific, he'd find a picture postcard in the shop, | 0:47:18 | 0:47:23 | |
the Old Man of Hoy, Orkney Islands, | 0:47:23 | 0:47:26 | |
and would address it to a resident nearest this rock. | 0:47:26 | 0:47:30 | |
He then came across a format for which I guess he was most well known | 0:47:30 | 0:47:35 | |
which was his autograph card postcard | 0:47:35 | 0:47:39 | |
in which he gathered the addresses of whoever was in the news | 0:47:39 | 0:47:45 | |
or whoever needed their autograph taking | 0:47:45 | 0:47:48 | |
and he would send this card with a bit of blurb at the top there | 0:47:48 | 0:47:52 | |
saying who he is and who he was. | 0:47:52 | 0:47:55 | |
He sent tens of thousands of these off, and on the back the recipient | 0:47:55 | 0:48:00 | |
would sign their autograph and then post it back to him | 0:48:00 | 0:48:04 | |
and he amassed a huge collection. | 0:48:04 | 0:48:07 | |
It seems nothing is beyond Nigel Bents imagination | 0:48:09 | 0:48:12 | |
in his testing of the resourcefulness of the postal services, | 0:48:12 | 0:48:16 | |
but deep down Nigel is also a determined postcard collector. | 0:48:16 | 0:48:20 | |
I'm collecting some large letter postcards at the moment, | 0:48:20 | 0:48:25 | |
I'm trying to amass all 50 of the American states. | 0:48:25 | 0:48:29 | |
The most important postcard for any collector and every collector | 0:48:29 | 0:48:33 | |
is the one that you haven't got. | 0:48:33 | 0:48:35 | |
It doesn't matter at all about any of the ones you have, | 0:48:35 | 0:48:39 | |
as soon as you have them, that's done, it's on with the next. | 0:48:39 | 0:48:43 | |
I do not have North Carolina yet, I will soon, it's in the post. | 0:48:43 | 0:48:49 | |
I do not have Alaska, it's too expensive at the moment, | 0:48:49 | 0:48:54 | |
it's £14-£15 and one person in America issues them every so often. | 0:48:54 | 0:49:00 | |
And Hawaii, which doesn't exist so I intend to design it myself | 0:49:02 | 0:49:07 | |
and then distribute it to needy collectors who need Hawaii. | 0:49:07 | 0:49:11 | |
Stone me, postcard intercourse, and who are my correspondents? | 0:49:22 | 0:49:29 | |
Ah, Jimmy McGovern! Hero of Hillsborough and the street, | 0:49:29 | 0:49:34 | |
with an amusing tale of how his postman | 0:49:34 | 0:49:36 | |
reads all his cards and hopes to visit all the places on them. | 0:49:36 | 0:49:39 | |
I sense a play coming on. | 0:49:39 | 0:49:41 | |
Nicholas Parsons! Heaven. | 0:49:44 | 0:49:47 | |
"I love postcards and keep those sent to me by friends." Ah! | 0:49:47 | 0:49:51 | |
"I enjoy sending postcards..." | 0:49:51 | 0:49:53 | |
Bzzz! Repetition, sorry Nicholas. | 0:49:53 | 0:49:57 | |
Oh, my old mate Bill Oddie. | 0:49:57 | 0:50:00 | |
Ooh, gracious, not of the feathered variety. | 0:50:03 | 0:50:08 | |
These cards can be my homage to Reginald Bray, the autograph man, | 0:50:09 | 0:50:15 | |
after all, it is mail art and they are all male. | 0:50:15 | 0:50:18 | |
That reminds me... | 0:50:20 | 0:50:22 | |
I'm sure there's an old postcard album | 0:50:26 | 0:50:30 | |
somewhere up here in the high Andes. | 0:50:30 | 0:50:33 | |
Hello, Little Ted. | 0:50:36 | 0:50:38 | |
Beano, Beano... | 0:50:41 | 0:50:44 | |
bingo! | 0:50:46 | 0:50:49 | |
Quite an eclectic selection, comic stuff, rare views, | 0:50:49 | 0:50:54 | |
ah, Butlins, must be worth a few quid. | 0:50:54 | 0:50:58 | |
Next stop, the UK's largest postcard collectors fair. | 0:51:01 | 0:51:05 | |
The organiser of the postcard fair is Barrie Rollinson, | 0:51:05 | 0:51:10 | |
if ever a man knows his clientele, it's Barrie. | 0:51:10 | 0:51:13 | |
What a queue! Mainly men, | 0:51:16 | 0:51:21 | |
with the occasional sighting of the fairer sex, presumably. | 0:51:21 | 0:51:26 | |
I've got a waistcoat like that. Ah, there's one. | 0:51:26 | 0:51:30 | |
This is amazing, postcards, postcards everywhere | 0:51:40 | 0:51:46 | |
and not even time to blink. | 0:51:46 | 0:51:48 | |
Everything! There's another one. | 0:51:48 | 0:51:50 | |
On every stand, boxes and boxes of pictures and messages, | 0:51:50 | 0:51:56 | |
cheap cards, expensive cards. | 0:51:56 | 0:51:58 | |
Barry, everyone here seems a postcard addict. | 0:51:58 | 0:52:01 | |
They have a history and a memory, | 0:52:01 | 0:52:05 | |
that's what we all collect, | 0:52:05 | 0:52:07 | |
memories that give us pleasure to remember these things. | 0:52:07 | 0:52:10 | |
What's the one postcard you've yearned for? | 0:52:10 | 0:52:13 | |
It's so easy for me to answer, my grandfather was Mayor of Rotherham | 0:52:13 | 0:52:18 | |
in 1939, and a picture postcard of my grandfather in his mayoral robes | 0:52:18 | 0:52:24 | |
would be an absolute delight for me. I would cherish it, | 0:52:24 | 0:52:31 | |
Wow, if you could have a cornucopia of cards, this would be it. | 0:52:31 | 0:52:38 | |
Nearly 150 dealers, this is the ideal place to cash in on my album. | 0:52:45 | 0:52:50 | |
Ha! They'll bite my arm off. | 0:52:50 | 0:52:52 | |
Yep, she'd go for my album. | 0:52:54 | 0:52:58 | |
Hi, would you look at my cards, | 0:52:58 | 0:53:00 | |
-I think they're rather special. -OK. | 0:53:00 | 0:53:04 | |
Some are a bit loose. | 0:53:04 | 0:53:06 | |
From our point of view these cards are rather on the modern side, | 0:53:10 | 0:53:15 | |
we tend to sell older cards than this. | 0:53:15 | 0:53:19 | |
They changed the size of the cards | 0:53:19 | 0:53:21 | |
and the bigger size cards are the more modern ones, | 0:53:21 | 0:53:24 | |
which we don't have any of at all, | 0:53:24 | 0:53:26 | |
or if we do they're in our cheap boxes. | 0:53:26 | 0:53:29 | |
Cheap boxes?! | 0:53:29 | 0:53:31 | |
I wouldn't actually be interested in buying that really. | 0:53:31 | 0:53:34 | |
No, oh, dear. Well, thanks for having a look. | 0:53:34 | 0:53:36 | |
Yes. | 0:53:36 | 0:53:38 | |
Oh, there is Brian. Hi, Brian. | 0:53:43 | 0:53:46 | |
I must buy something, I'll follow young Martin's lead | 0:53:46 | 0:53:49 | |
and go for the early motorway stuff, it shouldn't cost too much. | 0:53:49 | 0:53:52 | |
Have you got any motorway cards? Ah, thank you. | 0:53:52 | 0:53:55 | |
-They're £2 each. -Brilliant, great stuff. | 0:53:55 | 0:53:58 | |
I'll give Barrie a waft of my album, he looks a generous type. | 0:54:02 | 0:54:06 | |
These are modern, I'm sorry there's no value. | 0:54:06 | 0:54:09 | |
-So I'm not going to retire on these, Barrie? -No. | 0:54:09 | 0:54:12 | |
No, but if you could I'd already be a millionaire. | 0:54:12 | 0:54:18 | |
At least Brian from Reflections is bound to give me a good price. | 0:54:19 | 0:54:24 | |
Right, OK. | 0:54:24 | 0:54:26 | |
Anything there catching your eye? | 0:54:28 | 0:54:31 | |
To be honest, to be worth any real money | 0:54:31 | 0:54:34 | |
postcards have got to be pre-1920. | 0:54:34 | 0:54:36 | |
We class these as modern cards | 0:54:36 | 0:54:38 | |
and so the chances are there won't be anything of terrific value. | 0:54:38 | 0:54:43 | |
I don't think you'd get much more than a tenner for that. | 0:54:43 | 0:54:46 | |
-I know it's disappointing. -A tenner? | 0:54:46 | 0:54:48 | |
That's only three pints in old money! | 0:54:48 | 0:54:51 | |
But on the upside I now think my quest is all but over. | 0:54:51 | 0:54:58 | |
Time for a quick recap of all my favourite quotes from my journey, | 0:54:58 | 0:55:03 | |
for as my mate Picassos said, "Good artists borrow, great artists steal" | 0:55:03 | 0:55:08 | |
I think there is a magic about sending a postcard today, | 0:55:08 | 0:55:12 | |
in fact I'd go so far as to say that it's in some ways | 0:55:12 | 0:55:16 | |
more of an impact it has than postcards then | 0:55:16 | 0:55:19 | |
because it is so unusual to get a handwritten note | 0:55:19 | 0:55:22 | |
from a friend or a member of your family. | 0:55:22 | 0:55:25 | |
That's good, thanks, Guy. | 0:55:25 | 0:55:27 | |
Next up, Martin Parr. | 0:55:27 | 0:55:29 | |
In this day and age the postcard's role | 0:55:29 | 0:55:31 | |
is almost gone because everyone now has got a camera phone, | 0:55:31 | 0:55:35 | |
you can send a picture, you can write a message on it, | 0:55:35 | 0:55:38 | |
you can do it instantly, you don't have too rely | 0:55:38 | 0:55:40 | |
on someone else to take the picture, | 0:55:40 | 0:55:43 | |
you can take it yourself, so everything has its time and place | 0:55:43 | 0:55:46 | |
and the postcard had had a great century and long may it live, | 0:55:46 | 0:55:49 | |
but it won't because it's dying in front of us. | 0:55:49 | 0:55:52 | |
Trust a photographer to be negative. | 0:55:52 | 0:55:54 | |
Everything in the world is represented somehow in a postcard. | 0:55:54 | 0:55:58 | |
In fact you could put it the other way round and say that | 0:55:58 | 0:56:00 | |
everything in the world exists in order to end up as a postcard. | 0:56:00 | 0:56:04 | |
You'll find nothing, | 0:56:04 | 0:56:05 | |
you find no point of reference | 0:56:05 | 0:56:07 | |
which doesn't echo itself in a postcard, | 0:56:07 | 0:56:10 | |
isn't illuminated by it, any aspect of human life | 0:56:10 | 0:56:13 | |
and the things we see and do. | 0:56:13 | 0:56:15 | |
What more can you ask of an object? | 0:56:15 | 0:56:17 | |
Tom, I'm won over. | 0:56:19 | 0:56:21 | |
As James Bond once nearly wrote, postcards are forever. | 0:56:21 | 0:56:25 | |
Excellente, so I'll start my talk in 1902 | 0:56:25 | 0:56:30 | |
and the first split back card, | 0:56:30 | 0:56:32 | |
then cover some of Tony's gorgeous ones. | 0:56:32 | 0:56:34 | |
Then talk about the messages on the back | 0:56:34 | 0:56:37 | |
as tantalising glimpses of Edwardian life, | 0:56:37 | 0:56:40 | |
hit them with the amazing number of deliveries, | 0:56:40 | 0:56:43 | |
so the card was a phone call, e-mail, text or Twitter | 0:56:43 | 0:56:47 | |
all rolled into one. | 0:56:47 | 0:56:49 | |
Rounding up nicely with holiday postcards | 0:56:49 | 0:56:52 | |
of the post-war period, | 0:56:52 | 0:56:54 | |
Butlins and all that. | 0:56:54 | 0:56:55 | |
Finally the Holy Grail for the collector, an authentic card | 0:56:55 | 0:57:01 | |
sent off the Titanic at her last port of call in Ireland, | 0:57:01 | 0:57:04 | |
this one went for £6,500, | 0:57:04 | 0:57:06 | |
Jack the writer didn't survive, | 0:57:06 | 0:57:09 | |
that'll create a hush around the room. | 0:57:09 | 0:57:13 | |
I could even pass round my own album, | 0:57:13 | 0:57:16 | |
somebody might but it as a memento. | 0:57:16 | 0:57:19 | |
But how to start? | 0:57:19 | 0:57:21 | |
It just has to be a Donald McGill joke to win them over. | 0:57:22 | 0:57:26 | |
Tonight's the night! | 0:57:29 | 0:57:31 | |
They're going to love this! | 0:57:31 | 0:57:33 | |
Gentlemen and ladies, my talk is on the picture postcard | 0:57:44 | 0:57:50 | |
so I must start with my favourite Donald McGill saucy caption. | 0:57:50 | 0:57:56 | |
Lady store assistant is saying to a male customer, | 0:57:56 | 0:57:58 | |
"Gentlemen's requisites? | 0:57:58 | 0:58:00 | |
@Yes, sir, go straight through Ladies' Underwear." | 0:58:00 | 0:58:03 | |
Yes, the are picture postcard as we know it started in 1902 | 0:58:05 | 0:58:10 | |
-when the post office first allowed split back that we... -VOICE FADES | 0:58:10 | 0:58:15 | |
Subtitles by Red Bee Media Ltd | 0:58:21 | 0:58:24 | |
E-mail [email protected] | 0:58:24 | 0:58:27 |