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'Once upon a time, most women aspired to be ladies.' | 0:00:20 | 0:00:25 | |
Lady Catherine de Bourgh. | 0:00:25 | 0:00:27 | |
'A lady was easy to define. | 0:00:27 | 0:00:29 | |
'She wore corsets and voluminous skirts and rode side-saddle. | 0:00:29 | 0:00:35 | |
-'She had impeccable manners.' -How do you do, Mr Ferris? | 0:00:35 | 0:00:38 | |
'And above all, a lady knew her place. | 0:00:38 | 0:00:41 | |
'That veiled Victorian ideal of a decorous femininity | 0:00:42 | 0:00:47 | |
'was ripped away by a century of sexual and political progress for women. | 0:00:47 | 0:00:52 | |
'The lady became associated with male oppression and inequality. | 0:00:52 | 0:00:56 | |
'Her prim ways had no place in a world | 0:00:56 | 0:00:59 | |
'where women could behave as badly as men. | 0:00:59 | 0:01:02 | |
'The lady was, well, a bit ridiculous.' | 0:01:02 | 0:01:05 | |
-Two ladies for tea, please! -Yes, of course, this way. | 0:01:05 | 0:01:09 | |
'My name is Rachel Johnson | 0:01:12 | 0:01:15 | |
'and I believe we've been a bit hasty | 0:01:15 | 0:01:17 | |
'in giving the lady her marching orders. | 0:01:17 | 0:01:20 | |
'Somehow a global recession and a royal wedding | 0:01:20 | 0:01:25 | |
'have led to a renewed interested in all things ladylike, | 0:01:25 | 0:01:27 | |
'not least as an alternative to the ladette excesses of the noughties. | 0:01:27 | 0:01:33 | |
'Given the years I spent editing The Lady magazine, | 0:01:33 | 0:01:36 | |
'you may think I would say that. But just look around you | 0:01:36 | 0:01:40 | |
'at the way we're encouraged to behave and dress | 0:01:40 | 0:01:42 | |
'and at who our latest style icon is. | 0:01:42 | 0:01:46 | |
'In this film, I'm going to take a closer look | 0:01:46 | 0:01:48 | |
'at this unlikely return of the lady | 0:01:48 | 0:01:52 | |
'and find out what it takes to be one today. | 0:01:52 | 0:01:55 | |
-'From etiquette classes in how to be ladylike...' -THEY LAUGH | 0:01:56 | 0:02:01 | |
'..to the reinvention of the debutante's ball, | 0:02:01 | 0:02:04 | |
'and I'll even learn to ride side-saddle.' | 0:02:04 | 0:02:08 | |
This is very Downton. It's very Lady Mary, this. | 0:02:08 | 0:02:11 | |
'So is the lady revival part of a marked return to all things refined and restrained?' | 0:02:11 | 0:02:16 | |
It's about bringing a kind of formality and elegance | 0:02:16 | 0:02:19 | |
back into a culture which is really quite vulgar. | 0:02:19 | 0:02:22 | |
'Or is it an attempt to fashion a more socially-conservative, | 0:02:22 | 0:02:27 | |
'economically-secure future for young females?' | 0:02:27 | 0:02:31 | |
I think it was a good thing that we got away from the lady | 0:02:31 | 0:02:34 | |
and I don't want to see her back. | 0:02:34 | 0:02:38 | |
'This is my quest to find out how the idea of the lady has changed over time | 0:02:38 | 0:02:44 | |
'and what it means to be a lady now.' | 0:02:44 | 0:02:46 | |
'As your self-appointed guide for this programme, | 0:03:03 | 0:03:06 | |
'I need to put something out there. | 0:03:06 | 0:03:08 | |
'I'm not entirely sure that I can claim to be a lady.' | 0:03:08 | 0:03:12 | |
I don't, in all situations, put others first. | 0:03:13 | 0:03:17 | |
I can be rude, I can be abrupt, I can be pushy. | 0:03:17 | 0:03:22 | |
Am I a lady? Well, my husband defines me as everything a lady is not. | 0:03:22 | 0:03:28 | |
He says his definition of a lady is everything I am not. | 0:03:28 | 0:03:32 | |
Which is fair-minded and generous of him. | 0:03:33 | 0:03:36 | |
SHE LAUGHS | 0:03:36 | 0:03:38 | |
'The original definition dates back to the chivalrous age | 0:03:45 | 0:03:48 | |
'of fair maidens and gentile parfit knights, | 0:03:48 | 0:03:51 | |
'when a woman of royal blood or high birth was given the title Lady. | 0:03:51 | 0:03:56 | |
'It reflected her rank in society | 0:03:56 | 0:03:59 | |
'and was the equivalent to male titles such as Lord. | 0:03:59 | 0:04:03 | |
'But what began as a term of aristocratic respect | 0:04:07 | 0:04:10 | |
'gradually evolved into something much broader and indefinable. | 0:04:10 | 0:04:16 | |
'Being a lady became almost a job description | 0:04:17 | 0:04:20 | |
'rather than a signifier of rank. It was a profession, | 0:04:20 | 0:04:24 | |
'and like all professions, it had its willing apprentices.' | 0:04:24 | 0:04:28 | |
What is it you want? | 0:04:28 | 0:04:31 | |
I wanna be a lady in a flower shop | 0:04:31 | 0:04:34 | |
instead of selling on the corner of Tottenham Court Road, | 0:04:34 | 0:04:37 | |
but they won't take me 'less I talk more gentile. | 0:04:37 | 0:04:39 | |
'Therefore there had to be compendious guide books and magazines | 0:04:39 | 0:04:43 | |
'to set out what it took to achieve the exalted state.' | 0:04:43 | 0:04:49 | |
"What is a lady? The question is not one of birth, position or means. | 0:04:51 | 0:04:56 | |
"True ladyhood is of the heart rather than of the head..." | 0:04:56 | 0:04:59 | |
'It all sounded rather romantic and, let's be honest, a bit vague. | 0:04:59 | 0:05:05 | |
'So with these etiquette books to guide me, | 0:05:05 | 0:05:07 | |
'I set out to see whether Pygmalion was still possible. | 0:05:07 | 0:05:10 | |
'Is a lady to the manor born or made?' | 0:05:10 | 0:05:14 | |
"The first attribute of a lady is habitual courtesy, | 0:05:23 | 0:05:27 | |
"not only to her nearest and dearest but to everyone who crosses her path." | 0:05:27 | 0:05:31 | |
'I'd heard about a company called The English Manner | 0:05:31 | 0:05:34 | |
'that claimed to teach accomplishments to aspirant young ladies, | 0:05:34 | 0:05:39 | |
'so I travelled to Cheshire to attend a crash course in flower arranging and table manners, | 0:05:39 | 0:05:44 | |
'hosted by William Hanson and Diana Mather.' | 0:05:44 | 0:05:47 | |
Hello. How do you do? I'm Diana Mather. | 0:05:47 | 0:05:49 | |
-Hello, Diana. Rachel Johnson. -Hello, Rachel. -Nice to meet you. | 0:05:49 | 0:05:52 | |
-May I introduce first of all William Hanson? -Hello. How do you do? | 0:05:52 | 0:05:55 | |
Hello, William, I'm Rachel Johnson. | 0:05:55 | 0:05:57 | |
And then our other students. | 0:05:57 | 0:05:59 | |
So, one of the first things to teach you is a proper handshake. | 0:05:59 | 0:06:04 | |
So, if you'd like to stand up please, girls, and shake each other's hands | 0:06:04 | 0:06:07 | |
and judge your handshake and the other person's handshake. | 0:06:07 | 0:06:10 | |
-What can you learn? -Rachel, I'll shake your hand. | 0:06:10 | 0:06:13 | |
Yes, that's not a bad one. | 0:06:13 | 0:06:15 | |
-I would say just a couple... -Not a bad one? -Yes. | 0:06:15 | 0:06:18 | |
-I would say there are a few too many pumps there. -Few too many pumps? | 0:06:18 | 0:06:21 | |
OK, let's try again. | 0:06:21 | 0:06:24 | |
-Hello, I'm Rachel. -Perfect. | 0:06:24 | 0:06:26 | |
-You mean I went on too long? -Yes, a little bit. | 0:06:26 | 0:06:28 | |
-The Americans would go on for seven seconds. -Seven seconds? | 0:06:28 | 0:06:31 | |
Yes, but we do, "Hello, how do you do? I'm Diana." | 0:06:31 | 0:06:34 | |
You're right, I do carry on. I carry on shaking. | 0:06:34 | 0:06:37 | |
And it can be very nice, but in the end, nobody knows when to stop. | 0:06:37 | 0:06:40 | |
It's just, "How do you do?" really. | 0:06:40 | 0:06:44 | |
'This isn't a great start. Even my handshake is unladylike. | 0:06:45 | 0:06:49 | |
'Would I fare any better in the next task, Jeffrey Archer balancing?' | 0:06:49 | 0:06:53 | |
Now, the old cliche of finishing schools | 0:06:55 | 0:06:58 | |
is a book on the head. | 0:06:58 | 0:07:00 | |
We have Jeffrey Archer here, he's quite small and compact and easy. | 0:07:00 | 0:07:03 | |
Now, why a book on the head? | 0:07:03 | 0:07:06 | |
Well, young ladies were taught to glide | 0:07:06 | 0:07:09 | |
because they had their full, long dresses and you shouldn't even have thought they had feet. | 0:07:09 | 0:07:13 | |
They would look as though they went on wheels. | 0:07:13 | 0:07:15 | |
This is going to be hopeless. I think I've got a pointy head. | 0:07:15 | 0:07:19 | |
-Seriously, some people have. -I do have an egg head. | 0:07:19 | 0:07:21 | |
The Japanese cannot do this because they have such pointy heads. | 0:07:21 | 0:07:25 | |
-That's my excuse and I'm sticking to it. -Right. | 0:07:25 | 0:07:28 | |
Look straight ahead. Relax. Relax the arms. | 0:07:28 | 0:07:31 | |
Relax the arms. A little bit faster. | 0:07:31 | 0:07:34 | |
-That's it. Slight... -THEY LAUGH | 0:07:34 | 0:07:37 | |
Now, come on, girls, heads up. | 0:07:37 | 0:07:40 | |
That's good. Now off you go. | 0:07:40 | 0:07:42 | |
'Deportment, the art of walking gracefully, | 0:07:42 | 0:07:45 | |
'with or without a book on your head, | 0:07:45 | 0:07:47 | |
'was an essential part of a lady's training. | 0:07:47 | 0:07:50 | |
'In the early '60s, women were even being taught | 0:07:51 | 0:07:54 | |
-'the right way to get out of a car...' -Come along, get out. | 0:07:54 | 0:07:58 | |
'..with or without a car.' | 0:07:58 | 0:08:01 | |
Ghastly, isn't it? Now, you must remember | 0:08:01 | 0:08:04 | |
that the secret of getting in and out of a car seat | 0:08:04 | 0:08:07 | |
is to get your seat well back into the car seat. | 0:08:07 | 0:08:11 | |
Now knees together, swing them both forward, | 0:08:11 | 0:08:14 | |
both legs together. That's very much better. | 0:08:14 | 0:08:18 | |
'We've always described these rules of ladylike behaviour | 0:08:18 | 0:08:21 | |
'as etiquette, a French phrase meaning ticket of admission, | 0:08:21 | 0:08:25 | |
'that dates back to the 17th century | 0:08:25 | 0:08:27 | |
'and the strict code of aristocratic conduct | 0:08:27 | 0:08:30 | |
'devised in the court of Louis XIV. | 0:08:30 | 0:08:33 | |
'Nowadays it's recognised that etiquette is good business practice, too.' | 0:08:34 | 0:08:39 | |
Etiquette is the code of rules by which a society lives. | 0:08:40 | 0:08:44 | |
And that changes from time to time and country to country | 0:08:44 | 0:08:47 | |
and society to society. | 0:08:47 | 0:08:49 | |
So what we are really teaching is international business etiquette that will take you anywhere, | 0:08:49 | 0:08:55 | |
and also formal parties and dining. | 0:08:55 | 0:08:59 | |
So, the way you enter a room is really important, | 0:08:59 | 0:09:02 | |
that you actually capture your audience immediately, | 0:09:02 | 0:09:06 | |
as William is going to demonstrate. | 0:09:06 | 0:09:08 | |
Here's how to leave a room correctly. | 0:09:08 | 0:09:10 | |
You say goodbye to everyone, we're not worrying about what you say, | 0:09:10 | 0:09:13 | |
you say goodbye to everyone, you walk up to the door, | 0:09:13 | 0:09:17 | |
open it, say, "Nice to see you all. Bye-bye." | 0:09:17 | 0:09:19 | |
Ah! That was great! | 0:09:19 | 0:09:21 | |
And then close the door. And when you're coming in... | 0:09:21 | 0:09:24 | |
Close the door, door goes behind you, | 0:09:28 | 0:09:30 | |
and they've seen your face and you go and shake their hand, like so. | 0:09:30 | 0:09:33 | |
And you've got the eye contact and they've got your eye contact immediately. | 0:09:33 | 0:09:37 | |
And for something like a job interview, this can be really important. | 0:09:37 | 0:09:40 | |
Plus that fact, it's most elegant. And funnily enough, | 0:09:40 | 0:09:43 | |
the two executive women we've had on the course said that was the most important thing they learned. | 0:09:43 | 0:09:49 | |
-That's really good. -Which is extraordinary considering everything else we taught them. | 0:09:49 | 0:09:53 | |
But she found that so useful. She works in a male environment | 0:09:53 | 0:09:56 | |
and to come in, standing there, using her space, | 0:09:56 | 0:09:59 | |
making her presence felt, that's what it's all about. | 0:09:59 | 0:10:02 | |
Bye, Rachel. | 0:10:02 | 0:10:04 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:10:04 | 0:10:08 | |
It's supposed to have been fixed! | 0:10:13 | 0:10:15 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:10:15 | 0:10:18 | |
'I can't even open a door without breaking it, | 0:10:18 | 0:10:21 | |
'so I can see the point of her course. | 0:10:21 | 0:10:23 | |
'But I'm keen to know what these young ladies expect to get out of it.' | 0:10:23 | 0:10:28 | |
And Hattie, are you here because you want to be more ladylike? | 0:10:28 | 0:10:32 | |
Erm, I'm not sure it's a question of wanting to be more ladylike, | 0:10:32 | 0:10:37 | |
I think it's a question of acquiring some basic skills and manners. | 0:10:37 | 0:10:42 | |
But I think it's about gaining some self-respect and self-confidence, | 0:10:42 | 0:10:47 | |
which William and Diana were speaking about earlier, for example, opening a door, | 0:10:47 | 0:10:51 | |
and kind of giving you some easy tips and tricks to make your life a bit easier | 0:10:51 | 0:10:56 | |
and a bit more comfortable | 0:10:56 | 0:10:58 | |
and being confident and gaining respect | 0:10:58 | 0:11:00 | |
from your partner or your friends or in a business situation, really. | 0:11:00 | 0:11:05 | |
And Pippa, what do you think you're going to get out of it? | 0:11:05 | 0:11:09 | |
Erm, I like the door, | 0:11:09 | 0:11:12 | |
not leaving your backside open to everybody. | 0:11:12 | 0:11:15 | |
And the meal, how you... | 0:11:15 | 0:11:17 | |
I always get confused with which is my glass and which is my plate. | 0:11:17 | 0:11:21 | |
But William was saying earlier that it's BMW, | 0:11:21 | 0:11:24 | |
so it's bread, main and wine. | 0:11:24 | 0:11:27 | |
'The rules that the etiquette gurus teach today | 0:11:28 | 0:11:31 | |
'might prepare a woman for a formal dinner or a Japanese business meeting, | 0:11:31 | 0:11:36 | |
'but Diana suggested such efforts reflected a more profound return | 0:11:36 | 0:11:40 | |
'to all things ladylike.' | 0:11:40 | 0:11:43 | |
So you think that this move towards young women | 0:11:43 | 0:11:46 | |
wanting to act and be treated like ladies | 0:11:46 | 0:11:48 | |
is to do with a sense of security, | 0:11:48 | 0:11:50 | |
that we've got so far that we can now, in a sense, go back. | 0:11:50 | 0:11:54 | |
Because I think we are secure enough, | 0:11:54 | 0:11:56 | |
we've got to high enough positions, we've been working as equals for long enough. | 0:11:56 | 0:12:00 | |
Men and women are different, thank God. Vive la difference. | 0:12:00 | 0:12:04 | |
And so we now should be secure in our own genders | 0:12:04 | 0:12:08 | |
not to have to behave like men to be taken seriously, | 0:12:08 | 0:12:11 | |
cos we know we can do the job just as well, | 0:12:11 | 0:12:13 | |
to keep our femininity, and I think that's quite important. | 0:12:13 | 0:12:15 | |
No woman can be really esteemed accomplished | 0:12:19 | 0:12:22 | |
who does not also possess a certain something in her air, | 0:12:22 | 0:12:25 | |
in the manner of walking, in the tone of her voice, | 0:12:25 | 0:12:28 | |
her address and expressions. | 0:12:28 | 0:12:30 | |
'So many of our notions about what it means to be a lady | 0:12:36 | 0:12:40 | |
'seem to be drawn from period dramas and 19th-century novels, | 0:12:40 | 0:12:44 | |
'with their haughty aristocrats and long-suffering heroines. | 0:12:44 | 0:12:48 | |
'But as historian Emma Clery explained, | 0:12:49 | 0:12:52 | |
'it's in the work of Jane Austen that the very idea of the lady | 0:12:52 | 0:12:56 | |
'begins to be questioned and redefined.' | 0:12:56 | 0:13:00 | |
It's very experimental in the way that it takes up | 0:13:00 | 0:13:03 | |
the notion of the lady, and I think does challenge | 0:13:03 | 0:13:06 | |
various, sort of, conventions of fashionable ladyhood. | 0:13:06 | 0:13:11 | |
Pride And Prejudice, in the scene where Elizabeth arrives at Netherfield | 0:13:13 | 0:13:18 | |
to visit her sister who's fallen ill at Mr Bingley's residence. | 0:13:18 | 0:13:23 | |
And, of course, she rejects the idea of going in a carriage, | 0:13:25 | 0:13:28 | |
she walks across country, she arrives with a muddy hem, | 0:13:28 | 0:13:32 | |
the soiled slippers, | 0:13:32 | 0:13:35 | |
and is sneered at for that by Bingley's sister. | 0:13:35 | 0:13:38 | |
I could hardly keep my countenance. | 0:13:38 | 0:13:41 | |
What did she mean by scampering about the country because her sister has a cold? | 0:13:41 | 0:13:45 | |
-Her hair, Louisa! -Her petticoat! | 0:13:45 | 0:13:48 | |
'And yet she's held up as a kind of counter-example | 0:13:48 | 0:13:52 | |
'of naturalness and real feeling, proper sensibility, | 0:13:52 | 0:13:56 | |
'by contrast to these artificial women in the great house.' | 0:13:56 | 0:14:01 | |
Is Jane Austen playing with the notion that you could be a lady | 0:14:01 | 0:14:05 | |
both by birth and breeding and also by behaviour? | 0:14:05 | 0:14:09 | |
I think there's a strong egalitarian impulse in Austen | 0:14:09 | 0:14:12 | |
and perhaps you see that very clearly | 0:14:12 | 0:14:15 | |
in the famous scene towards the end of Pride And Prejudice | 0:14:15 | 0:14:18 | |
where Elizabeth is discussing Mr Darcy with Lady Catherine de Bourgh. | 0:14:18 | 0:14:26 | |
So here you have a lady by birth | 0:14:26 | 0:14:29 | |
staking a claim to Darcy | 0:14:29 | 0:14:31 | |
on behalf of her daughter, another lady by birth, | 0:14:31 | 0:14:35 | |
and on the other hand, Elizabeth saying that | 0:14:35 | 0:14:39 | |
simply by virtue of being a gentleman's daughter, | 0:14:39 | 0:14:42 | |
she has as good a right to the kind of glorious future | 0:14:42 | 0:14:46 | |
which marriage to Mr Darcy might offer. | 0:14:46 | 0:14:48 | |
So she's very much challenging the status quo in that way. | 0:14:48 | 0:14:54 | |
It was the favourite wish of his mother as well as hers. | 0:14:54 | 0:14:58 | |
While she was in her cradle, we planned the union. | 0:14:58 | 0:15:02 | |
And now to be prevented by the upstart pretensions | 0:15:02 | 0:15:06 | |
of a young woman without family, connections or fortune? | 0:15:06 | 0:15:11 | |
Is this to be endured? It shall not be! | 0:15:11 | 0:15:14 | |
Your alliance would be a disgrace! | 0:15:14 | 0:15:18 | |
Your name would never even be mentioned by any of us. | 0:15:18 | 0:15:21 | |
These would be heavy misfortunes indeed. | 0:15:21 | 0:15:24 | |
Obstinate, headstrong girl! I'm ashamed of you! | 0:15:24 | 0:15:28 | |
'In Austen's world, a title alone was not enough. | 0:15:28 | 0:15:31 | |
'As manners maketh man, it took something deeper, | 0:15:31 | 0:15:34 | |
'something spiritual, even, to make a lady.' | 0:15:34 | 0:15:37 | |
It's all about developing this core strength, you could say, | 0:15:37 | 0:15:42 | |
this inner strength which will carry you through all the privations | 0:15:42 | 0:15:46 | |
and frustrations and annoyances which are women's lot in life. | 0:15:46 | 0:15:51 | |
You make being a lady sound like an endless pilates lessons | 0:15:51 | 0:15:54 | |
where a woman has to endlessly strengthen her moral backbone | 0:15:54 | 0:15:58 | |
-in order to survive life. -I think that probably is how they saw it. | 0:15:58 | 0:16:02 | |
I think there was an acknowledgement that it was pretty tough being a lady. | 0:16:02 | 0:16:05 | |
'At a time when a dirty petticoat was scandalous | 0:16:05 | 0:16:09 | |
'and bonnets alone were a full-time job, | 0:16:09 | 0:16:11 | |
'one of the toughest challenges facing a lady | 0:16:11 | 0:16:14 | |
'was the way she dressed.' | 0:16:14 | 0:16:16 | |
"A true lady is always well because suitably dressed. | 0:16:26 | 0:16:30 | |
"She sacrifices extremes of fashion to comfort, | 0:16:30 | 0:16:33 | |
"puts her clothes on carefully and properly, | 0:16:33 | 0:16:35 | |
"is scrupulously particular of her shoes..." | 0:16:35 | 0:16:38 | |
'Today, the fashion press will preach that this season's look is ladylike. | 0:16:38 | 0:16:44 | |
'But at the end of the 19th century, | 0:16:44 | 0:16:46 | |
'ladylike was an obligation rather than a trend. | 0:16:46 | 0:16:49 | |
'I wanted to know more about the strict uniform of the lady | 0:16:49 | 0:16:53 | |
'in an age when there were gloves and hats for every occasion. | 0:16:53 | 0:16:57 | |
'So I delved into the back issues of The Lady magazine | 0:16:57 | 0:17:01 | |
'with the help of our resident archivist, Wendy Wilson.' | 0:17:01 | 0:17:05 | |
This would've been the first reference to | 0:17:05 | 0:17:08 | |
trend or fashion or what the aristocracy were wearing. | 0:17:08 | 0:17:13 | |
So what does it tell us about what a lady was supposed to be like | 0:17:15 | 0:17:19 | |
in the 19th century? | 0:17:19 | 0:17:22 | |
I think it shows us, in these ads here, | 0:17:22 | 0:17:24 | |
well-presented, somewhat over-the-top hats, | 0:17:24 | 0:17:29 | |
-millinery was clearly very important. -Big. | 0:17:29 | 0:17:33 | |
As was corsetry and... | 0:17:33 | 0:17:35 | |
So those are the original Spanx, really. Do you see? | 0:17:35 | 0:17:38 | |
-The speciality corset. -Absolutely. | 0:17:38 | 0:17:40 | |
Gloves, hosiery, corsets, hats. | 0:17:40 | 0:17:43 | |
-And hair. -Hair pieces and hair tongs? -Yes. | 0:17:43 | 0:17:47 | |
-To curl. -The maintenance that goes into hair is genuinely overwhelming. | 0:17:47 | 0:17:52 | |
Was then. Still is. | 0:17:52 | 0:17:55 | |
-High-class mourning! -THEY LAUGH | 0:17:56 | 0:17:59 | |
I think there were huge constraints | 0:17:59 | 0:18:02 | |
of the way a woman had to present herself | 0:18:02 | 0:18:06 | |
to the public, to society. | 0:18:06 | 0:18:08 | |
Women's appearance was very restricted. | 0:18:08 | 0:18:12 | |
-Literally restricted by these whalebone corsets. -Yes. | 0:18:12 | 0:18:15 | |
Look at this. | 0:18:15 | 0:18:17 | |
'As these endless ads for stays and corsets reveal, | 0:18:17 | 0:18:21 | |
'being a lady meant sacrificing your freedom of movement | 0:18:21 | 0:18:24 | |
'on the uncomfortable altar of sartorial correctitude. | 0:18:24 | 0:18:28 | |
'Even women riders were hobbled by the most rigid dress codes | 0:18:29 | 0:18:34 | |
'and there was only one way for a true lady to ride - side-saddle. | 0:18:34 | 0:18:39 | |
'I assumed that the Queen was one of the last practitioners | 0:18:44 | 0:18:47 | |
'of this most ladylike skill, till I heard about the Flying Foxes, | 0:18:47 | 0:18:52 | |
'a group of women who are seeking to revive the technique, | 0:18:52 | 0:18:55 | |
'even dressing in period costume. | 0:18:55 | 0:18:57 | |
'Rider Sian Lowes showed me her moves while Becca Holland told me more.' | 0:18:57 | 0:19:02 | |
She's actually riding my horse, Henry, this afternoon. | 0:19:02 | 0:19:05 | |
He's 14 years old now, a very good side-saddle horse, | 0:19:05 | 0:19:09 | |
very experienced. | 0:19:09 | 0:19:11 | |
He's very comfortable, which is important for a horse, | 0:19:11 | 0:19:13 | |
and he's got a very good temperament, as well, | 0:19:13 | 0:19:16 | |
he puts up with us and all our skirts and hats and things. | 0:19:16 | 0:19:19 | |
-And does she hunt side-saddle, Sian? -Yeah, absolutely. | 0:19:19 | 0:19:22 | |
We all can be seen out on the hunting field. | 0:19:22 | 0:19:25 | |
Always side-saddle. I always now hunt side-saddle. | 0:19:25 | 0:19:29 | |
-Couldn't dream of doing it another way? -No, absolutely. | 0:19:29 | 0:19:32 | |
To be honest, everyone always says to me, "Gosh, you're terribly brave | 0:19:32 | 0:19:35 | |
"going out hunting side-saddle." But I think it's the other way around. | 0:19:35 | 0:19:39 | |
-I'd much rather be side-saddle. -Is it safer? -Much. | 0:19:39 | 0:19:42 | |
Why it is safer? Cos you fall off one end? | 0:19:42 | 0:19:45 | |
You're far less likely to fall off side-saddle than you are astride. | 0:19:45 | 0:19:49 | |
There's very little chance of coming off a side-saddle on a good horse. | 0:19:49 | 0:19:53 | |
-Whereas astride, there are lots of emergency exits. -I was always coming off. | 0:19:53 | 0:19:57 | |
Whereas on one of these, you're actually really quite gripped on. | 0:19:57 | 0:20:00 | |
'The very first side-saddle was designed for Princess Anne of Bohemia in 1382 | 0:20:02 | 0:20:07 | |
'and was partly intended to safeguard the royal virginity. | 0:20:07 | 0:20:11 | |
'Riding side-saddle soon became associated with proper aristocratic behaviour. | 0:20:11 | 0:20:16 | |
'And women who continued to ride astride a horse | 0:20:17 | 0:20:20 | |
'were the subject of bawdy comment. | 0:20:20 | 0:20:23 | |
"Pray, sir, is this to way to Stretchet?" one cartoon asked. | 0:20:24 | 0:20:28 | |
"Shiver my topsails, my lass, if I know a better way." | 0:20:28 | 0:20:31 | |
There was no question of a lady riding with a leg on each side, | 0:20:35 | 0:20:40 | |
certainly in the Victorian period. | 0:20:40 | 0:20:42 | |
For a start, it was about comfort. | 0:20:42 | 0:20:44 | |
Women didn't wear any undergarments at all. | 0:20:44 | 0:20:47 | |
-Certainly in Ancient Rome and Greece, women didn't wear knickers. -Went commando. | 0:20:47 | 0:20:52 | |
And if you're sitting on a horse astride with bare legs, | 0:20:52 | 0:20:57 | |
it would actually be really uncomfortable. | 0:20:57 | 0:20:59 | |
When we ride today, we wear long leather boots | 0:20:59 | 0:21:02 | |
-and specially-padded trousers. -This is a total eye-opener! | 0:21:02 | 0:21:06 | |
But if you're riding a horse with no knickers on, | 0:21:06 | 0:21:09 | |
-basically, sitting with a leg on each side would be quite uncomfortable. -Chaffing. -Yeah. | 0:21:09 | 0:21:14 | |
And also, it's a modesty thing. | 0:21:14 | 0:21:16 | |
If you can imagine trying to get on a horse with a big, long skirt and no knickers, | 0:21:16 | 0:21:20 | |
-and trying to get your leg over. -Or a short skirt and no knickers. | 0:21:20 | 0:21:22 | |
Well, if that's what you like doing, absolutely. | 0:21:22 | 0:21:25 | |
-Let's say a toga. -Yeah, completely. | 0:21:25 | 0:21:28 | |
There's a very good chance of you exposing yourself to all and sundry. | 0:21:28 | 0:21:32 | |
So I've explained a little bit about the history, Rachel, | 0:21:32 | 0:21:37 | |
but what I would really like to know from you is, how do you fancy having a go? | 0:21:37 | 0:21:42 | |
-Yeah, I'm up for it. -Are you wearing knickers? | 0:21:42 | 0:21:44 | |
-THEY LAUGH -Let's go. | 0:21:44 | 0:21:47 | |
'Of course, a true lady wouldn't ever be asked that question. | 0:21:47 | 0:21:50 | |
'But never mind. Time to go the whole side-saddle hog and get into costume.' | 0:21:50 | 0:21:56 | |
Riding wear, certainly for a side-saddle lady, | 0:21:56 | 0:21:59 | |
is actually very reminiscent of what men wore in the 18th century. | 0:21:59 | 0:22:05 | |
And that's actually quite a theme. | 0:22:05 | 0:22:07 | |
A lot of historical riding clothing comes from male fashion. | 0:22:07 | 0:22:12 | |
And it's really interesting. | 0:22:12 | 0:22:15 | |
Certainly when women were quite often wearing very soft, feminine clothes, | 0:22:15 | 0:22:20 | |
-when they rode... -Domestically. -..they weren't soft or feminine at all in any way. | 0:22:20 | 0:22:25 | |
And they actually adopted very masculine styles. | 0:22:25 | 0:22:29 | |
So, now we're going to get your jacket on. | 0:22:30 | 0:22:33 | |
-And we shall do you up. -It's quite hot, isn't it? | 0:22:34 | 0:22:38 | |
Yes. You will glow a little wearing this, I'm afraid. | 0:22:38 | 0:22:42 | |
-A lady only gently glows. -Yes, absolutely. | 0:22:42 | 0:22:45 | |
And then, last but not least, we've got your top hat. | 0:22:45 | 0:22:49 | |
And, of course, you've got your veil, as well. | 0:22:50 | 0:22:53 | |
These originally started off being worn for very practical reasons. | 0:22:53 | 0:22:57 | |
When ladies were riding along the road, they would wear a veil | 0:22:57 | 0:23:00 | |
to protect their skin from the sun | 0:23:00 | 0:23:02 | |
and stop the dirt getting on their faces, as well. | 0:23:02 | 0:23:05 | |
But nowadays, the veil has changed slightly | 0:23:05 | 0:23:08 | |
and it's just become a very traditional, formal thing for a woman to wear. | 0:23:08 | 0:23:12 | |
-Do you wear this? -Yeah, absolutely. If I was hunting for a day, I'd wear a veil all day. -Why? | 0:23:12 | 0:23:16 | |
Just because you're not correctly dressed without one. | 0:23:16 | 0:23:19 | |
It's just so weird. I feel like something out of Spider-Man. | 0:23:19 | 0:23:22 | |
-SHE LAUGHS -Well, you look incredibly elegant. | 0:23:22 | 0:23:25 | |
But you are definitely missing just one more thing at the moment. | 0:23:25 | 0:23:29 | |
-A horse. -Yeah, absolutely. We need to go and get you on a horse. | 0:23:29 | 0:23:33 | |
One, two, three, up. | 0:23:33 | 0:23:36 | |
Up. Up you go. Push, push. | 0:23:36 | 0:23:39 | |
That's it. Sit on the saddle with your legs over. That's it. | 0:23:39 | 0:23:41 | |
-Perfect. -Seamless. -Then... -Where does that go? | 0:23:41 | 0:23:45 | |
Put that leg over the top, like that, bring that leg into there. | 0:23:45 | 0:23:48 | |
-And that is it. -That's it! -And then arrange your skirts. | 0:23:50 | 0:23:53 | |
Bob's your uncle! | 0:23:53 | 0:23:56 | |
Well, on the left-hand side of the saddle, | 0:23:56 | 0:23:59 | |
there are two pommels, like so, | 0:23:59 | 0:24:03 | |
and your right leg crooks over the top one | 0:24:03 | 0:24:06 | |
and the left one tucks in underneath this one, | 0:24:06 | 0:24:10 | |
which is the leaping head, and that's what holds you in your saddle when you're jumping. | 0:24:10 | 0:24:16 | |
-So how does it feel, Rachel? -Very comfortable. | 0:24:16 | 0:24:19 | |
Surprisingly comfortable. And do you grip the pommel between your knees? | 0:24:19 | 0:24:24 | |
Basically, squeeze your legs together | 0:24:24 | 0:24:27 | |
-and you'll be very, very nicely gripped on. -Come on. | 0:24:27 | 0:24:31 | |
This is very Downton. It's very Lady Mary, this. | 0:24:31 | 0:24:35 | |
Isn't it? | 0:24:35 | 0:24:37 | |
'I couldn't help feeling rather queenly | 0:24:38 | 0:24:40 | |
'while perching on top of Henry. | 0:24:40 | 0:24:43 | |
'I could see why Becca and Sian were fascinated by the dress | 0:24:43 | 0:24:45 | |
'and customs of a golden age of riding. | 0:24:45 | 0:24:48 | |
'But I didn't quite believe you could divorce it | 0:24:48 | 0:24:51 | |
'from all its connotations of female subjugation.' | 0:24:51 | 0:24:55 | |
-I'm sure the weather will hold and you'll be able to return without delay. -Goodbye. | 0:24:57 | 0:25:01 | |
-Bye-bye, Jane! -Goodbye, Jane! | 0:25:03 | 0:25:05 | |
'So much of what it meant to be a lady | 0:25:05 | 0:25:08 | |
'seemed to be wrapped up in notions of control and restraint, | 0:25:08 | 0:25:11 | |
'with a dollop of sexual prudery. | 0:25:11 | 0:25:14 | |
'If a woman straddling a horse was regarded as obscene, | 0:25:14 | 0:25:18 | |
'imagine the utter horror a device like this caused.' | 0:25:18 | 0:25:22 | |
At a time when women were discouraged | 0:25:24 | 0:25:26 | |
even from sitting on see-saws, a contraption like this | 0:25:26 | 0:25:30 | |
would've been regarded by right-minded folk with horror. | 0:25:30 | 0:25:32 | |
The combination of saddle and friction | 0:25:32 | 0:25:36 | |
was fraught with depraved possibility. | 0:25:36 | 0:25:39 | |
Indeed, one French expert went so far to claim | 0:25:39 | 0:25:42 | |
that women shouldn't bicycle at all | 0:25:42 | 0:25:44 | |
because doing so would ruin their feminine organs... | 0:25:44 | 0:25:49 | |
Oh! ..of matrimonial necessity. | 0:25:49 | 0:25:52 | |
SHE LAUGHS AND RINGS BELL | 0:25:53 | 0:25:56 | |
# Up to my house I'll show you what I mean | 0:25:57 | 0:26:02 | |
# Well, I just got wise and built me a loving machine... # | 0:26:03 | 0:26:07 | |
To conceal the fact that women were riding astride, | 0:26:09 | 0:26:12 | |
they came up with something called a cherry screen. | 0:26:12 | 0:26:15 | |
And even saddles were perforated to relieve so-called harmful pressure | 0:26:15 | 0:26:19 | |
on female undercarriage. | 0:26:19 | 0:26:21 | |
# Well, I headed to the tip and built me a loving machine... # | 0:26:21 | 0:26:25 | |
'A society that considered the bike a threat to a lady's modesty | 0:26:25 | 0:26:30 | |
'was not one that encouraged physical activity among women. | 0:26:30 | 0:26:34 | |
'But in the unlikely setting of Dartford in Kent, | 0:26:36 | 0:26:40 | |
'one lady set out to challenge this. | 0:26:40 | 0:26:42 | |
'Her name was Madame Martina Osterberg | 0:26:44 | 0:26:47 | |
'and she was a Swedish gym instructor with radical ideas | 0:26:47 | 0:26:50 | |
'about liberating ladies from a strict dress code. | 0:26:50 | 0:26:53 | |
'We're talking gym slips, | 0:26:53 | 0:26:55 | |
'as historian Jackie Farr revealed.' | 0:26:55 | 0:26:59 | |
She had grown up in quite a liberal era in Sweden | 0:26:59 | 0:27:03 | |
and had travelled extensively in Europe | 0:27:03 | 0:27:06 | |
and then trained in Swedish gymnastics | 0:27:06 | 0:27:08 | |
before taking an appointment with the London School Board. | 0:27:08 | 0:27:10 | |
The London School Board were trying to introduce Swedish gymnastics to schools | 0:27:10 | 0:27:15 | |
because they were concerned about the health and physicality of children in schools. | 0:27:15 | 0:27:19 | |
So before we had Madame Osterberg, | 0:27:19 | 0:27:21 | |
what was the tradition of girls taking physical exercise, | 0:27:21 | 0:27:25 | |
when they were deemed to swoon if they even picked up a saucer? | 0:27:25 | 0:27:28 | |
There were no requirements for girls to take part in PE in schools at all till 1873. | 0:27:28 | 0:27:32 | |
So these were very radical, unconventional images. | 0:27:32 | 0:27:36 | |
-Yes. So this is at a time when women wouldn't be showing an ankle. -Mm. | 0:27:36 | 0:27:41 | |
She and others found this attire quite restricting | 0:27:41 | 0:27:47 | |
in terms of playing games and taking part in gymnastics. | 0:27:47 | 0:27:50 | |
And it was a student, Mary Tate, who designed what we know as the gym slip, | 0:27:50 | 0:27:54 | |
-which is in all these photos here. -What, a student here in the college | 0:27:54 | 0:27:57 | |
-designed the gym slip? -Yeah. | 0:27:57 | 0:28:00 | |
Which is adopted for schools all over the world. | 0:28:00 | 0:28:03 | |
-It's the emblem of St Trinian's. -Yeah. It's everything. | 0:28:03 | 0:28:07 | |
But in its day, it must have been dramatically radical. | 0:28:07 | 0:28:11 | |
-Yeah, radical and almost shocking. -Yeah. | 0:28:11 | 0:28:13 | |
And, I mean, there's another fantastic example, | 0:28:13 | 0:28:16 | |
although it was after her death, she died in 1915, | 0:28:16 | 0:28:20 | |
in 1918, George V visited here for a demonstration event with Mary | 0:28:20 | 0:28:24 | |
-and he was delighted to watch the girls do this. -Probably never seen anything so racy. | 0:28:24 | 0:28:30 | |
Yes. However, she was fairly shocked | 0:28:30 | 0:28:33 | |
to watch handstands in the gym slips. | 0:28:33 | 0:28:35 | |
So this is a moment when we saw female sartorial convention | 0:28:35 | 0:28:40 | |
just breaking apart. | 0:28:40 | 0:28:42 | |
Because you have the Queen in her long habit | 0:28:42 | 0:28:45 | |
and these other women, who are in the uniform | 0:28:45 | 0:28:49 | |
of what's become the uniform of school girls all over the world. | 0:28:49 | 0:28:52 | |
And a significant profession. Yes, it's quite a pivotal moment | 0:28:52 | 0:28:56 | |
this photograph represents, I should think. | 0:28:56 | 0:28:58 | |
So what do we now owe to Madame Osterberg? | 0:29:01 | 0:29:03 | |
OK, well, her legacy, really, | 0:29:03 | 0:29:05 | |
the one that you'd recognise, is netball. | 0:29:05 | 0:29:10 | |
This is a very early image of a game of netball. | 0:29:10 | 0:29:15 | |
A Dr Toll came across from the States | 0:29:15 | 0:29:18 | |
to introduce basketball to the students, | 0:29:18 | 0:29:21 | |
and when he left, he didn't leave any written rules. | 0:29:21 | 0:29:24 | |
And so over a period of time, | 0:29:24 | 0:29:26 | |
the girls had to recreate and amend and adapt their rules as the college grew. | 0:29:26 | 0:29:31 | |
So we know that this is an image of very early netball. | 0:29:31 | 0:29:34 | |
'Innovations like netball and the gym slip | 0:29:40 | 0:29:44 | |
'helped free women's bodies from the restrictive uniform | 0:29:44 | 0:29:47 | |
'that had been the lady's lot. | 0:29:47 | 0:29:49 | |
'But liberating their minds from stifling convention | 0:29:49 | 0:29:52 | |
'and intellectual prejudice was another matter.' | 0:29:52 | 0:29:55 | |
"Generally speaking, it is injudicious for ladies | 0:29:56 | 0:29:59 | |
"to attempt arguing with gentlemen | 0:29:59 | 0:30:01 | |
"on political or financial topics. | 0:30:01 | 0:30:04 | |
"All the information that a woman can possibly acquire | 0:30:04 | 0:30:08 | |
"or remember on these subjects | 0:30:08 | 0:30:10 | |
"is so small in comparison with the knowledge of men | 0:30:10 | 0:30:13 | |
"that the discussion will not elevate them | 0:30:13 | 0:30:16 | |
"in the opinion of masculine minds." | 0:30:16 | 0:30:18 | |
'The etiquette guides of the 19th century | 0:30:22 | 0:30:25 | |
'would lead you to believe that a lady was someone | 0:30:25 | 0:30:28 | |
'whose intellectual horizons stretched no further | 0:30:28 | 0:30:31 | |
'than needlework and the occasional piano forte recital. | 0:30:31 | 0:30:35 | |
'But all that would change as education for ladies began to improve | 0:30:36 | 0:30:40 | |
'in the second half of the 19th century.' | 0:30:40 | 0:30:44 | |
So I'm now driving to Cheltenham in Gloucestershire | 0:30:45 | 0:30:49 | |
because this is the home of Cheltenham Ladies' College, | 0:30:49 | 0:30:53 | |
which is the alma mater of my own grandmother. | 0:30:53 | 0:30:57 | |
My father would've liked me to have gone to Cheltenham Ladies' College | 0:30:57 | 0:31:02 | |
just as he would've liked me to have become a lady. | 0:31:02 | 0:31:05 | |
But unfortunately, I had other plans | 0:31:05 | 0:31:08 | |
and refused even to look round this school, | 0:31:08 | 0:31:11 | |
so this is the first time I'm ever going to see the place | 0:31:11 | 0:31:14 | |
which educated my own grandmother. | 0:31:14 | 0:31:17 | |
She went on to Oxford, so it clearly did its job very well. | 0:31:17 | 0:31:20 | |
# I went to school in Cheltenham | 0:31:29 | 0:31:33 | |
# At a fashionable ladies' college | 0:31:33 | 0:31:38 | |
# Where I learnt what's what and acquired a lot | 0:31:38 | 0:31:42 | |
# Of exceedingly practical knowledge | 0:31:42 | 0:31:47 | |
# I loved my school in Cheltenham | 0:31:51 | 0:31:55 | |
# With a chestnut tree so shady | 0:31:55 | 0:32:00 | |
# And I now embrace all the charm and grace | 0:32:00 | 0:32:05 | |
# Of a typical English lady... # | 0:32:05 | 0:32:08 | |
We have a desk here that would've been used in the 1920s. | 0:32:08 | 0:32:12 | |
-Should I... -Yes, do sit. | 0:32:12 | 0:32:14 | |
'My grandmother was a Cheltenham lady in the 1920s | 0:32:14 | 0:32:18 | |
'and archivist Rachel Roberts helped me search for her | 0:32:18 | 0:32:21 | |
'in the school records.' | 0:32:21 | 0:32:23 | |
So she's a Williams, | 0:32:23 | 0:32:26 | |
Yvonne Eileen Irene, | 0:32:26 | 0:32:30 | |
-and there's her sister, Denise Madeline. -Yes. | 0:32:30 | 0:32:33 | |
-One, two, what does that mean? -That means they're siblings. | 0:32:33 | 0:32:35 | |
-So she was known as Williams One and she was known as Williams Two? -Yes. | 0:32:35 | 0:32:40 | |
So my granny was 13 years 4 months | 0:32:40 | 0:32:44 | |
-and she was in class 21B. -Yes. | 0:32:44 | 0:32:48 | |
'Female members of my own family reaped the benefits of the mission | 0:32:48 | 0:32:52 | |
'to improve the education of young ladies | 0:32:52 | 0:32:54 | |
'that began here in 1853.' | 0:32:54 | 0:32:57 | |
In the 1850s, | 0:32:57 | 0:32:59 | |
generally it was a very limited education for girls | 0:32:59 | 0:33:03 | |
and tended to focus on accomplishments | 0:33:03 | 0:33:05 | |
such as music, dancing and the arts. | 0:33:05 | 0:33:08 | |
And then why did that change | 0:33:08 | 0:33:10 | |
and why was Cheltenham founded? | 0:33:10 | 0:33:14 | |
Cheltenham Ladies' College was founded | 0:33:14 | 0:33:17 | |
so that the girls could have exactly the same education as boys, | 0:33:17 | 0:33:21 | |
and largely through the efforts of Dorothea Beale, | 0:33:21 | 0:33:24 | |
the second principal at the college, | 0:33:24 | 0:33:27 | |
she developed other lessons and introduced maths and science into the curriculum. | 0:33:27 | 0:33:34 | |
'Beale's presence and her aims are still alive today in the college, | 0:33:34 | 0:33:37 | |
'with her belongings kept as relics in the school museum. | 0:33:37 | 0:33:41 | |
'Although she had little formal education herself, | 0:33:41 | 0:33:44 | |
'she was determined that her ladies would learn more than a few nebulous accomplishments. | 0:33:44 | 0:33:49 | |
'Beale was passionate about unfeminine subjects like maths, | 0:33:49 | 0:33:53 | |
'even if they had to be taught by stealth.' | 0:33:53 | 0:33:56 | |
Initially, there was a fair amount of opposition to the introduction | 0:33:56 | 0:34:00 | |
of maths and science into the curriculum. | 0:34:00 | 0:34:02 | |
Dorothea Beale got round this by calling science teaching Physical Geography | 0:34:02 | 0:34:08 | |
because, she said, not many boys' schools taught geography at that date, | 0:34:08 | 0:34:12 | |
and so few parents could object. | 0:34:12 | 0:34:15 | |
There was also a good deal of biology teaching | 0:34:15 | 0:34:18 | |
-which took place under the guise of botany, as well. -Oh, really? | 0:34:18 | 0:34:21 | |
Did fathers, I assume, or was it also mothers, | 0:34:21 | 0:34:25 | |
think that ladies should be protected from knowing too much? | 0:34:25 | 0:34:29 | |
Yes. And also, it was felt that the rigours of an academic education | 0:34:29 | 0:34:33 | |
would prove too much for the girl's physique | 0:34:33 | 0:34:36 | |
and she was too delicate to cope with it. | 0:34:36 | 0:34:38 | |
And how far did she want to challenge the orthodoxy | 0:34:38 | 0:34:41 | |
that girls should just sit around until marriage sewing samplers? | 0:34:41 | 0:34:46 | |
She wanted them to be able, eventually, to earn their own living | 0:34:46 | 0:34:50 | |
with dignity, as she saw it. | 0:34:50 | 0:34:52 | |
She went on to found St Hilda's College in Oxford | 0:34:52 | 0:34:57 | |
so that her girls could automatically go and take degree courses. | 0:34:57 | 0:35:02 | |
'A glance at the crowded honours board | 0:35:02 | 0:35:05 | |
'reveals the revolution Dorothea Beale and her successors set in motion, | 0:35:05 | 0:35:09 | |
'helping to establish the graduates of Cheltenham, at least, | 0:35:09 | 0:35:13 | |
'as ladies of scholarship.' | 0:35:13 | 0:35:16 | |
And do you call girls who've been here "old girls" or "old ladies"? | 0:35:16 | 0:35:20 | |
We call them guild members. | 0:35:20 | 0:35:23 | |
-You get round it! -Yes! | 0:35:23 | 0:35:25 | |
# Give three cheers for Cheltenham | 0:35:25 | 0:35:29 | |
# Where the chestnut trees are shady | 0:35:29 | 0:35:34 | |
# When I learnt of vice and all things nice | 0:35:34 | 0:35:39 | |
# Like a typical English lady... # | 0:35:39 | 0:35:45 | |
'After learning more about Dorothea Beale, | 0:35:56 | 0:35:59 | |
'I felt I'd done a disservice to the guild members of Cheltenham.' | 0:35:59 | 0:36:03 | |
I simply couldn't imagine myself in an institution | 0:36:03 | 0:36:07 | |
that called itself Cheltenham Ladies' College, | 0:36:07 | 0:36:11 | |
so I was clearly prejudiced against it simply because of its name, | 0:36:11 | 0:36:15 | |
much as people are prejudiced against The Lady magazine because it's called The Lady. | 0:36:15 | 0:36:21 | |
So, you know, this is a double-edged sword here. | 0:36:21 | 0:36:24 | |
The Lady will attract and repel people in equal measure. | 0:36:24 | 0:36:29 | |
The word in itself will, anyway. | 0:36:29 | 0:36:32 | |
'There was one ladylike tradition in particular | 0:36:33 | 0:36:36 | |
'that had begun to seem hideously out of sync with the times | 0:36:36 | 0:36:39 | |
'by the late 1950s. | 0:36:39 | 0:36:41 | |
'The presentation of a debutante before the Queen.' | 0:36:41 | 0:36:45 | |
"In fashionable society, a girl has no recognised position | 0:36:53 | 0:36:57 | |
"until she has been presented at court, | 0:36:57 | 0:37:00 | |
"which is equivalent to saying that so soon as she has arrived at an age | 0:37:00 | 0:37:03 | |
"when the schoolroom may be quitted | 0:37:03 | 0:37:06 | |
"and a more responsible position assumed in life, | 0:37:06 | 0:37:08 | |
"a girl's first duty is to pay her respects to her queen." | 0:37:08 | 0:37:14 | |
'For 200 years, the daughters of the upper class | 0:37:14 | 0:37:17 | |
'were presented before the Queen in a ceremony that marked | 0:37:17 | 0:37:20 | |
'their coming of age and the beginning of the social season.' | 0:37:20 | 0:37:24 | |
The debutante was a girl | 0:37:24 | 0:37:26 | |
who was generally a member of a fairly distinguished family | 0:37:26 | 0:37:30 | |
who was presented at court. | 0:37:30 | 0:37:32 | |
It was a mark of perfection. | 0:37:32 | 0:37:34 | |
She had the mark that she was the girl | 0:37:34 | 0:37:38 | |
worthy of being produced in the presence of the Queen. | 0:37:38 | 0:37:43 | |
'I wanted to know more about this courtly ritual of ladyhood | 0:37:49 | 0:37:53 | |
'so I travelled to Yorkshire to meet writer Fiona MacCarthy, | 0:37:53 | 0:37:57 | |
'one of the last debutantes to be presented before the Queen | 0:37:57 | 0:38:00 | |
'in 1958.' | 0:38:00 | 0:38:03 | |
This is presentation week of '58? | 0:38:04 | 0:38:08 | |
It was presentation week, | 0:38:08 | 0:38:10 | |
cos there were a record number of applicants to be presented, | 0:38:10 | 0:38:14 | |
because everyone knew that it was the last presentation. | 0:38:14 | 0:38:19 | |
So really, below-age girls were being presented just to get them in | 0:38:19 | 0:38:23 | |
before the presentations finished. | 0:38:23 | 0:38:25 | |
So we were in these incredibly flimsy wild silk dresses | 0:38:25 | 0:38:30 | |
and little hats and long white gloves, | 0:38:30 | 0:38:34 | |
and it was a bit of an ordeal, of course, but everyone was keyed up with excitement about it. | 0:38:34 | 0:38:39 | |
-Except you. -Except for me. | 0:38:39 | 0:38:41 | |
I was a little cynical already. | 0:38:41 | 0:38:44 | |
'As a girl from an aristocratic family, | 0:38:45 | 0:38:48 | |
'Fiona MacCarthy had grown up with the knowledge | 0:38:48 | 0:38:51 | |
'that her childhood would climax in a curtsey to the Queen | 0:38:51 | 0:38:55 | |
'and a heady social world of balls known as the season.' | 0:38:55 | 0:38:58 | |
I think in those days, in the late 1950s, | 0:38:58 | 0:39:02 | |
girls of 17 or 18 weren't really expected to have opinions. | 0:39:02 | 0:39:06 | |
There was never any question that I wasn't going to do the season. | 0:39:06 | 0:39:10 | |
It was somehow built into my upbringing. | 0:39:10 | 0:39:13 | |
I had shown signs of rebellion in that I'd actually got myself a place at Oxford, | 0:39:13 | 0:39:19 | |
and this was not an advantage when I was doing the season, | 0:39:19 | 0:39:23 | |
because I was thought of as rather a little bit peculiar, frightfully brainy, | 0:39:23 | 0:39:28 | |
and frightfully brainy was actually a pretty rude term in those circles. | 0:39:28 | 0:39:33 | |
Looking back on it, it was a very interesting period to be growing up in | 0:39:35 | 0:39:39 | |
because these restrictions and these formalities | 0:39:39 | 0:39:43 | |
were going to go, they were just on the edge. | 0:39:43 | 0:39:47 | |
'What had begun as a ceremony designed to reinforce the bond | 0:39:47 | 0:39:51 | |
'between the monarchy and the aristocratic elite | 0:39:51 | 0:39:53 | |
'came to seem anachronistic in an less deferential era. | 0:39:53 | 0:39:57 | |
'Even within the palace and even before the '60s started swinging in earnest, | 0:39:57 | 0:40:02 | |
'there was a feeling that the debs had run their course.' | 0:40:02 | 0:40:06 | |
The Duke of Edinburgh, who was an impatient young man in those days, | 0:40:06 | 0:40:09 | |
said, "I really can't face another 400 debs curtseying to me," | 0:40:09 | 0:40:14 | |
so I think he was an influence in the thing going. | 0:40:14 | 0:40:18 | |
And there was also feeling that maybe a few people | 0:40:18 | 0:40:23 | |
were just being filtered in that shouldn't have been there. | 0:40:23 | 0:40:27 | |
Princess Margaret, "Every tart in London." | 0:40:27 | 0:40:29 | |
Yes, Princess Margaret was complaining every tart in London was getting in. | 0:40:29 | 0:40:33 | |
So there were lots of feelings coming together | 0:40:33 | 0:40:39 | |
to bring about the end of this peculiar ritual | 0:40:39 | 0:40:43 | |
which had gone on for 200 years. | 0:40:43 | 0:40:45 | |
Ladies were becoming a little bit ridiculous by that time. | 0:40:48 | 0:40:52 | |
There'd been this rather satiric play, | 0:40:52 | 0:40:56 | |
The Reluctant Debutante, William Douglas-Home. | 0:40:56 | 0:41:00 | |
It had made people laugh at the whole debutante scene. | 0:41:00 | 0:41:05 | |
Satire was beginning to come in. | 0:41:05 | 0:41:08 | |
Ladies were beginning to seem, you know, just verging on the ridiculous. | 0:41:08 | 0:41:13 | |
And then as the years went by, | 0:41:13 | 0:41:16 | |
by the early '60s, they were totally beyond the pale. | 0:41:16 | 0:41:19 | |
Nobody wanted to be a lady | 0:41:19 | 0:41:21 | |
because they just seemed so silly. | 0:41:21 | 0:41:24 | |
'There was no place for white gloves and tiaras | 0:41:26 | 0:41:29 | |
'in a world that was in the active throws | 0:41:29 | 0:41:32 | |
'of social change and sexual revolution.' | 0:41:32 | 0:41:35 | |
It all changed rather overnight. | 0:41:36 | 0:41:40 | |
It changed, I suppose, around 1960, 1961, | 0:41:40 | 0:41:45 | |
and you didn't want to be seen dead looking like your mother any more | 0:41:45 | 0:41:49 | |
and you didn't want to be ladylike. | 0:41:49 | 0:41:51 | |
People's clothes had changed. | 0:41:51 | 0:41:54 | |
And the sort of social differences weren't so obvious any more. | 0:41:54 | 0:41:58 | |
'In an era when hemlines were rising | 0:42:01 | 0:42:03 | |
'and women were challenging stereotypes and demanding equality, | 0:42:03 | 0:42:07 | |
'the traditional lady suddenly felt like an unfashionable and unwanted throwback. | 0:42:07 | 0:42:13 | |
'But still, she never vanished completely. | 0:42:14 | 0:42:17 | |
'Subsequent efforts to update the lady met with mixed results. | 0:42:17 | 0:42:21 | |
'In the '80s, wannabe debutantes were presented | 0:42:21 | 0:42:25 | |
'not in Buckingham Palace but in a trendy London nightclub.' | 0:42:25 | 0:42:28 | |
The beautiful people, the rich, the famous and the influential, arrive at Wedgies. | 0:42:28 | 0:42:34 | |
I think what I might do at this stage, if it is possible, | 0:42:34 | 0:42:37 | |
is to get each of the debs, if they would, | 0:42:37 | 0:42:41 | |
to hold their plate up when I call out their name | 0:42:41 | 0:42:44 | |
and eat a mouthful of their delicious caviar. | 0:42:44 | 0:42:46 | |
Right? Would you mind that? | 0:42:46 | 0:42:48 | |
CHEERING Right. What a lovely eater. | 0:42:48 | 0:42:52 | |
'And now, after the vulgar excesses of the greed-is-good '80s, | 0:42:52 | 0:42:56 | |
'the debutante is making a proper comeback.' | 0:42:56 | 0:43:00 | |
# Lady | 0:43:00 | 0:43:02 | |
# For so many years I thought I'd never find you | 0:43:03 | 0:43:08 | |
# You have come into my life | 0:43:10 | 0:43:12 | |
# And | 0:43:12 | 0:43:15 | |
# Made me whole... # | 0:43:15 | 0:43:18 | |
'In recent years, the debs ball has been resurrected | 0:43:20 | 0:43:23 | |
'along the old traditional lines for a global market, | 0:43:23 | 0:43:27 | |
'with showpiece events in London, Paris, Shanghai and Dubai.' | 0:43:27 | 0:43:32 | |
# Let me hear you whisper softly | 0:43:32 | 0:43:35 | |
# In my ear... # | 0:43:37 | 0:43:39 | |
'Young ladies are once again being decked out in ball gowns | 0:43:39 | 0:43:42 | |
'and briefed in the rules of royal etiquette.' | 0:43:42 | 0:43:46 | |
You will obviously curtsey to anyone who is a prince or princess. | 0:43:46 | 0:43:51 | |
Princess Susan al Said of Oman has also been invited. | 0:43:51 | 0:43:56 | |
She is the wife of the brother of the Sultan of Oman. | 0:43:56 | 0:44:00 | |
She is a princess. You will curtsey in the way that you have curtseyed | 0:44:00 | 0:44:04 | |
to Princess Katarina of Yugoslavia | 0:44:04 | 0:44:07 | |
and the other royals you have met during your year. | 0:44:07 | 0:44:11 | |
So it's very, very important... | 0:44:11 | 0:44:13 | |
'I was intrigued to know what this old-fashioned and ornate ritual | 0:44:13 | 0:44:16 | |
'had to offer young women in the dark economic times of today. | 0:44:16 | 0:44:20 | |
'So I went to meet the organiser of the self-styled London Season, Jennie Hallam-Peel.' | 0:44:20 | 0:44:26 | |
Why would a girl who'd been through the London Season | 0:44:26 | 0:44:28 | |
be any more ladylike than one who hasn't? | 0:44:28 | 0:44:32 | |
Because I think it's a grooming process. | 0:44:32 | 0:44:34 | |
I know I found that when I was a deb. | 0:44:34 | 0:44:37 | |
Because the average 17-year-old | 0:44:37 | 0:44:40 | |
is really quite scruffy | 0:44:40 | 0:44:42 | |
and is really very much involved in herself. | 0:44:42 | 0:44:48 | |
She hasn't been trained to look outside herself, | 0:44:48 | 0:44:52 | |
to be aware of other people in a social situation. | 0:44:52 | 0:44:56 | |
It's totally different with their friends. They can be exactly what they want to be, | 0:44:56 | 0:45:00 | |
totally non-communicative with parents, parents' friends, | 0:45:00 | 0:45:03 | |
but after a year of being a deb, you know how to... | 0:45:03 | 0:45:08 | |
you know how to interact with people of all age groups | 0:45:08 | 0:45:11 | |
because you're forced into those kinds of situations | 0:45:11 | 0:45:14 | |
and you suddenly look outside yourself | 0:45:14 | 0:45:16 | |
and realise that you need to make other people feel comfortable, | 0:45:16 | 0:45:20 | |
not be wrapped up in your own little world. | 0:45:20 | 0:45:23 | |
So, in a way, it's a growing up process. | 0:45:23 | 0:45:26 | |
'That so-called grooming process | 0:45:26 | 0:45:28 | |
'involves a year of etiquette classes, | 0:45:28 | 0:45:31 | |
'social events and charity fundraising | 0:45:31 | 0:45:33 | |
'for the 40 girls selected. By the end of it all, | 0:45:33 | 0:45:36 | |
'they become ambassadors of a unique brand, the English lady.' | 0:45:36 | 0:45:41 | |
I think I would consider us all as ladies. | 0:45:41 | 0:45:43 | |
We all hold ourselves in the correct manner, we act correctly. | 0:45:43 | 0:45:48 | |
There's nothing to suggest that we're not. THEY LAUGH | 0:45:48 | 0:45:53 | |
-We try to. -Yes, we try. | 0:45:53 | 0:45:56 | |
I think it's kind of a work in progress | 0:45:56 | 0:45:58 | |
and hopefully doing the season and doing the etiquette lessons | 0:45:58 | 0:46:01 | |
for when you're abroad and everything, | 0:46:01 | 0:46:03 | |
they help you kind of reach that goal in the end. | 0:46:03 | 0:46:07 | |
So do you find there's growing appetite internationally for the English lady product? | 0:46:07 | 0:46:13 | |
I think whenever we go abroad, everyone wants to see total Englishness. | 0:46:13 | 0:46:18 | |
So that's exactly what we give them, because by the end of the year, that's exactly what they are. | 0:46:18 | 0:46:24 | |
Why do you think that makes them particularly English, | 0:46:24 | 0:46:26 | |
-the fact that they have manners? -I think we have a code of behaviour | 0:46:26 | 0:46:30 | |
which everyone abroad considers to be the height of good manners. | 0:46:30 | 0:46:35 | |
And lots of other countries don't have that. | 0:46:35 | 0:46:39 | |
But I think it might be courteous | 0:46:39 | 0:46:41 | |
if you are being specifically introduced to a sheik from one of the Emirates or his wife | 0:46:41 | 0:46:48 | |
that you do actually cover your shoulders. | 0:46:48 | 0:46:50 | |
These emerging wealthy economies | 0:46:51 | 0:46:55 | |
and the emergence of the super-rich class, | 0:46:55 | 0:46:57 | |
what they want above all for their own daughters | 0:46:57 | 0:47:00 | |
is for them to be young English ladies. | 0:47:00 | 0:47:02 | |
Of course. So they are giving something, | 0:47:02 | 0:47:08 | |
both sides are giving something. It's really interesting. | 0:47:08 | 0:47:11 | |
What do you think they are giving? What do you think we're giving them? | 0:47:11 | 0:47:15 | |
I think we're giving... | 0:47:15 | 0:47:17 | |
They have everything financially | 0:47:17 | 0:47:20 | |
but they don't have that indefinable quality | 0:47:20 | 0:47:24 | |
which they term, not my term, they term as class. | 0:47:24 | 0:47:29 | |
And we have it in spades | 0:47:29 | 0:47:31 | |
and that is what is attractive to them. | 0:47:31 | 0:47:34 | |
-And we can export it now, via our... -We can export it. -..young English ladies. | 0:47:34 | 0:47:38 | |
And at the same time, we can raise millions for Children In Need. | 0:47:38 | 0:47:43 | |
-What can possibly be wrong with that? -It's win-win. | 0:47:43 | 0:47:46 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:47:46 | 0:47:49 | |
'There was something a bit disconcerting about this idea of | 0:47:50 | 0:47:52 | |
'a glorified trade fair of perfect English ladies. | 0:47:52 | 0:47:56 | |
'So I was almost relieved to discover | 0:47:57 | 0:47:59 | |
'there had been the occasional lapse in etiquette.' | 0:47:59 | 0:48:03 | |
Have you had any huge bloopers with any of the girls? | 0:48:04 | 0:48:07 | |
-Yes. Yes. -SHE LAUGHS | 0:48:07 | 0:48:10 | |
We had a total nightmare in Macedonia. | 0:48:10 | 0:48:14 | |
We went to... We were accompanied by Princess Katarina | 0:48:14 | 0:48:18 | |
and we went to her former shooting lodge, which is now a winery. | 0:48:18 | 0:48:25 | |
And we were given the most magnificent lunch there | 0:48:25 | 0:48:28 | |
but, of course, because it's a winery, | 0:48:28 | 0:48:30 | |
they also wanted everyone to taste all their glorious wines. | 0:48:30 | 0:48:34 | |
And so each girl was presented with, | 0:48:34 | 0:48:38 | |
well, first of all, there was going to be a seven-course lunch, | 0:48:38 | 0:48:41 | |
and there were nine glasses in front of them. | 0:48:41 | 0:48:44 | |
The one thing we'd forgotten to say to them is, | 0:48:44 | 0:48:49 | |
"You do not drink the whole glass when there are nine glasses you're going to taste." | 0:48:49 | 0:48:55 | |
Of course, they were just knocking it back. I was glaring at them | 0:48:55 | 0:48:59 | |
and, of course, they were just completely... | 0:48:59 | 0:49:02 | |
knocking back every single glass. | 0:49:02 | 0:49:04 | |
So at the end of the lunch, | 0:49:04 | 0:49:07 | |
-they were slumped over their plates. -SHE LAUGHS | 0:49:07 | 0:49:10 | |
We had to drag them into the coach, | 0:49:10 | 0:49:13 | |
-praying their parents wouldn't see it. -SHE LAUGHS | 0:49:13 | 0:49:16 | |
So, yes, there are some things we forget about. | 0:49:16 | 0:49:19 | |
'It's a funny old world where young ladies are groomed | 0:49:25 | 0:49:29 | |
'for a nostalgic recreation of the debutante's ball | 0:49:29 | 0:49:32 | |
'but still get totally lashed on a coach trip to Macedonia. | 0:49:32 | 0:49:37 | |
'So it's not surprising that a book's been published | 0:49:37 | 0:49:40 | |
'to help the modern lady tiptoe her way through it. | 0:49:40 | 0:49:43 | |
'This important tome comes, of course, | 0:49:43 | 0:49:46 | |
'from that blue-blooded authority on establishment protocol, Debrett's. | 0:49:46 | 0:49:51 | |
'Given my own husband's comment that I'm not a lady, | 0:49:59 | 0:50:02 | |
'I was keen to find out more about etiquette for girls, | 0:50:02 | 0:50:05 | |
'so I met up with editor Jo Bryant. | 0:50:05 | 0:50:08 | |
'The old guides offered advice on letter-writing and where to sit in church. | 0:50:08 | 0:50:11 | |
'The new one was far more contemporary.' | 0:50:11 | 0:50:14 | |
"The one-night stand, ONS, is a bit like fast food. | 0:50:14 | 0:50:18 | |
"Tempting but with nauseating afterthoughts." | 0:50:18 | 0:50:20 | |
"The sendoff is an ideal opportunity to steal a first kiss. | 0:50:20 | 0:50:24 | |
"Set this up with a silent, smiling..." | 0:50:24 | 0:50:27 | |
"If you're at his, the ONS is not over until the walk of shame, | 0:50:27 | 0:50:31 | |
"going home in last night's dishevelled clothes." | 0:50:31 | 0:50:34 | |
"Steel yourself for the aftermath." | 0:50:34 | 0:50:37 | |
'Walks of shame? One-night stands? In Debrett's?' | 0:50:37 | 0:50:42 | |
I think there was an element of surprise that we'd suddenly | 0:50:42 | 0:50:44 | |
jumped into the 20th century, and I think Debrett's has been known | 0:50:44 | 0:50:48 | |
for peerage and baronetage and titled people | 0:50:48 | 0:50:50 | |
and all of a sudden there was this book about how young women live. | 0:50:50 | 0:50:53 | |
We're not telling people to go out and have one-night stands. | 0:50:53 | 0:50:57 | |
It was more trying to create a guide that was actually realistic | 0:50:57 | 0:51:00 | |
on how some women do choose to live. | 0:51:00 | 0:51:02 | |
And if we hadn't included some of the more risque subject matters, | 0:51:02 | 0:51:05 | |
it wouldn't have been moving on at the pace that we really need to. | 0:51:05 | 0:51:09 | |
And was this guide inspired in any way | 0:51:09 | 0:51:12 | |
by the rise of the ladette | 0:51:12 | 0:51:14 | |
and girls being potty-mouthed tramps who drank too much? | 0:51:14 | 0:51:19 | |
We've been asked that a lot. It wasn't really a reaction against anything, | 0:51:19 | 0:51:22 | |
it was more an idea that we looked at what we felt there was a need for | 0:51:22 | 0:51:25 | |
and we felt that the role of young women now was actually quite a difficult one. | 0:51:25 | 0:51:29 | |
We've got old-fashioned rules and codes of conduct | 0:51:29 | 0:51:32 | |
and also this huge idea of a relaxed society, | 0:51:32 | 0:51:35 | |
that we can go out and drink, we can have boys as friends, | 0:51:35 | 0:51:39 | |
we can live in a much more relaxed way, even in a way that our mothers couldn't. | 0:51:39 | 0:51:42 | |
And society and manners and etiquette was changing so quickly, | 0:51:42 | 0:51:46 | |
we thought that we should take a snapshot | 0:51:46 | 0:51:48 | |
and try and replicate a young woman's life, | 0:51:48 | 0:51:51 | |
absorbing all different elements on how she can live. | 0:51:51 | 0:51:53 | |
Did you have any particular ladylike role models in mind? | 0:51:53 | 0:51:57 | |
Or did you find that difficult in today's market? | 0:51:57 | 0:52:00 | |
It was very difficult. We spent a long time deciding whether we'd have a foreword to the book, | 0:52:00 | 0:52:04 | |
and we actually couldn't come up with a single person we felt encapsulated | 0:52:04 | 0:52:08 | |
all the different roles and situations that we talked about inside the book. | 0:52:08 | 0:52:12 | |
We also felt it would stamp it with too much of a character, | 0:52:12 | 0:52:14 | |
that when people were reading it, they might think of a certain individual. | 0:52:14 | 0:52:18 | |
Being a lady is a sort of faceless ideal, in that case, isn't it? | 0:52:18 | 0:52:21 | |
To a degree. It's more the idea that it's equipping of self-confidence. | 0:52:21 | 0:52:26 | |
It is this idea that you can go out... | 0:52:26 | 0:52:28 | |
As a young woman, we have so many different roles. | 0:52:28 | 0:52:30 | |
We've got careers, some girlfriends, you might be a wife, you might have children. | 0:52:30 | 0:52:35 | |
And all of a sudden, we have all these different hats to wear | 0:52:35 | 0:52:38 | |
and all these different scenarios and we all do so much more, | 0:52:38 | 0:52:40 | |
we socialise differently, we get asked to do different things | 0:52:40 | 0:52:43 | |
through work or through our social lives, | 0:52:43 | 0:52:45 | |
and all of us have all these situations where we think, "What do I wear? How do I behave? | 0:52:45 | 0:52:49 | |
"Is it rude to do this? Is it right to do that?" | 0:52:49 | 0:52:52 | |
So the idea was just to kind of present it as an accessible way | 0:52:52 | 0:52:56 | |
of decoding all these different elements of our lives. | 0:52:56 | 0:52:59 | |
'The old etiquette books | 0:52:59 | 0:53:01 | |
'once laid out the boundaries a lady had to respect. | 0:53:01 | 0:53:05 | |
'This guide seemed to offer women | 0:53:05 | 0:53:07 | |
'a way of exerting some control | 0:53:07 | 0:53:09 | |
'in a world of unlimited freedom. | 0:53:09 | 0:53:12 | |
'So did the idea of the lady, | 0:53:12 | 0:53:14 | |
'with its connotations of decorum and restraint, | 0:53:14 | 0:53:18 | |
'offer modern women an alternative code of behaviour? | 0:53:18 | 0:53:22 | |
'It was an idea I put to feminist writer Bidisha.' | 0:53:22 | 0:53:25 | |
So why do you think there's interest in the concept of the lady now? | 0:53:26 | 0:53:30 | |
I think a lot of things have come together | 0:53:30 | 0:53:32 | |
to make women ask themselves what the future of womankind | 0:53:32 | 0:53:37 | |
and the future of ladyhood actually is. | 0:53:37 | 0:53:41 | |
On the one hand, at the most shallow level, | 0:53:41 | 0:53:43 | |
you could say, OK, it's to do with fashion, | 0:53:43 | 0:53:45 | |
that we don't like the kinds of representations of us that are out there in the media, | 0:53:45 | 0:53:49 | |
they seem very cheapening, very objectifying, | 0:53:49 | 0:53:51 | |
there's often more flesh than cloth. | 0:53:51 | 0:53:54 | |
So you turn on music videos, you look in a tits paper, | 0:53:54 | 0:53:58 | |
like The Sun or The Star, and you think, | 0:53:58 | 0:54:01 | |
"That's not the model of womanhood that I respond to. | 0:54:01 | 0:54:04 | |
"And I'm sure lots of women and lots and lots of intelligent men who appreciate women don't, either. | 0:54:04 | 0:54:10 | |
"So what's another way?" And a reaction to that is to cover up | 0:54:10 | 0:54:14 | |
and then you have this movement towards looking at those... | 0:54:14 | 0:54:17 | |
You know those reissued books which are like rules of style? | 0:54:17 | 0:54:20 | |
-Yes. -Etiquettes of style? -Absolutely, we've looked at them. | 0:54:20 | 0:54:22 | |
They are brilliant because it's not about being this fake lady-type lady. | 0:54:22 | 0:54:27 | |
I think it's about bringing a kind of formality and elegance | 0:54:27 | 0:54:30 | |
back into a culture which is really quite vulgar. | 0:54:30 | 0:54:33 | |
'Bidisha wasn't just advocating ladylike fashion, | 0:54:33 | 0:54:37 | |
'she was proposing a wholesale reinvention of the lady.' | 0:54:37 | 0:54:42 | |
I think that it's now divorced from notions of class and background, | 0:54:43 | 0:54:48 | |
which is what it was weighed down with before, | 0:54:48 | 0:54:51 | |
and we can do with it what we want. | 0:54:51 | 0:54:53 | |
We're at a perfect time to subvert the idea of the lady. | 0:54:53 | 0:54:57 | |
I think it has been very problematic in the past, | 0:54:57 | 0:55:00 | |
but that if you look at things like fashion | 0:55:00 | 0:55:04 | |
and new trends just in lifestyle, and also you look at culture, | 0:55:04 | 0:55:08 | |
there's a great space, I think, to take back the notion of the lady | 0:55:08 | 0:55:13 | |
as someone who is empowered and strong. | 0:55:13 | 0:55:16 | |
So you're saying not only let's keep the word lady and the term lady, | 0:55:16 | 0:55:19 | |
but let's multiply it by many millions, the number of ladies out there. | 0:55:19 | 0:55:23 | |
We'd completely transform the word | 0:55:23 | 0:55:26 | |
and we'd transform the definition. | 0:55:26 | 0:55:28 | |
We turn it into something which is associated with | 0:55:28 | 0:55:31 | |
just being a brilliant, strong, sisterly woman. | 0:55:31 | 0:55:35 | |
'With now even an ardent feminist like Bidisha | 0:55:36 | 0:55:39 | |
'seeking to reclaim the lady for a new age, | 0:55:39 | 0:55:42 | |
'just how far had we come from that high Victorian ideal | 0:55:42 | 0:55:46 | |
'with its taint of privilege and inequality?' | 0:55:46 | 0:55:49 | |
A young woman without family, connections or fortune? | 0:55:51 | 0:55:55 | |
Is this to be endured? It shall not be! | 0:55:55 | 0:55:58 | |
'Women are no longer bound by strict codes of etiquette and behaviour. | 0:55:59 | 0:56:03 | |
'We're no longer forced to conform to elaborate rules of dress and deportment.' | 0:56:07 | 0:56:13 | |
A little slicker please, dear. | 0:56:13 | 0:56:15 | |
'We can straddle horses and bikes with impunity. | 0:56:15 | 0:56:19 | |
'So why might women still aspire to be ladies?' | 0:56:19 | 0:56:23 | |
I think it was Simone de Beauvoir who said that | 0:56:26 | 0:56:29 | |
you are not born a woman, you become one. | 0:56:29 | 0:56:32 | |
So the idea that you have to become a lady on top of a woman | 0:56:32 | 0:56:37 | |
is a whole added area of complexity and endeavour. | 0:56:37 | 0:56:40 | |
'The fact that women are still prepared to take on that extra challenge | 0:56:40 | 0:56:45 | |
'suggests Diana Mather might be right.' | 0:56:45 | 0:56:48 | |
We now should be secure in our own genders | 0:56:48 | 0:56:50 | |
not to have to behave like men to be taken seriously, | 0:56:50 | 0:56:53 | |
cos we know we can do the job just as well, | 0:56:53 | 0:56:55 | |
but to keep our femininity, and I think that's quite important. | 0:56:55 | 0:56:58 | |
'Thanks to decades of advancement, | 0:56:58 | 0:57:01 | |
'are women really so secure they can afford to revisit | 0:57:01 | 0:57:04 | |
'the customs and practices of a bygone age | 0:57:04 | 0:57:07 | |
'where girls curtsied to a cake and never raised their voices? | 0:57:07 | 0:57:11 | |
'I think the real reason for the resurgence of the lady | 0:57:13 | 0:57:17 | |
'is more likely to be that in times of economic insecurity, | 0:57:17 | 0:57:21 | |
'society becomes more conservative. | 0:57:21 | 0:57:24 | |
'And in a competitive job market, | 0:57:24 | 0:57:26 | |
'the gloss the training lends a lady in waiting is an asset. | 0:57:26 | 0:57:30 | |
'A little elegance and formality goes a long way.' | 0:57:30 | 0:57:34 | |
If you're walking into a job interview, | 0:57:34 | 0:57:37 | |
or even meeting the boyfriend's parents, | 0:57:37 | 0:57:40 | |
or that kind of thing, it's just nice to know | 0:57:40 | 0:57:43 | |
what the protocol is and what's acceptable and what isn't. | 0:57:43 | 0:57:46 | |
'But in the end, I'm not sure I approve. | 0:57:48 | 0:57:53 | |
'It seems strange to go backwards to white gloves and tiaras in order to go forwards. | 0:57:53 | 0:57:58 | |
'But still, if a middle-class girl from Berkshire | 0:57:58 | 0:58:02 | |
'can become a princess, | 0:58:02 | 0:58:04 | |
'anyone with the right training can also become a lady.' | 0:58:04 | 0:58:09 | |
-THEY LAUGH -Bye! -Bye! -Excellent. | 0:58:09 | 0:58:12 | |
'Maybe even me.' | 0:58:12 | 0:58:14 | |
# You're once | 0:58:14 | 0:58:17 | |
# Twice | 0:58:17 | 0:58:19 | |
# Three times a lady | 0:58:21 | 0:58:25 | |
# And I love you | 0:58:26 | 0:58:31 | |
# Yes, you're once | 0:58:33 | 0:58:36 | |
# Twice | 0:58:36 | 0:58:38 | |
# Three times a lady... # | 0:58:40 | 0:58:43 | |
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