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On a bleak day in December 1945, | 0:00:29 | 0:00:32 | |
one determined man towed a trailer of ex-Army equipment | 0:00:32 | 0:00:36 | |
into a muddy field in Cheshire. | 0:00:36 | 0:00:38 | |
The place was called Jodrell Bank | 0:00:40 | 0:00:43 | |
and it would be here, experimenting with surplus radar kit, | 0:00:43 | 0:00:46 | |
that he would accidentally find | 0:00:46 | 0:00:49 | |
distant radio waves coming from space. | 0:00:49 | 0:00:51 | |
They were basically mapping out | 0:00:55 | 0:00:56 | |
something you couldn't see with your eyes. | 0:00:56 | 0:00:59 | |
This Heath Robinson figure built contraptions of increasing complexity | 0:01:06 | 0:01:11 | |
in order to listen to the heavens at the dawn of the space age. | 0:01:11 | 0:01:15 | |
Of course, everybody was wondering what on earth is it going to be? | 0:01:17 | 0:01:21 | |
Yet, in 12 years time, he would be standing in the same field | 0:01:21 | 0:01:25 | |
in the shadow of the world's largest radio telescope. | 0:01:25 | 0:01:28 | |
This strange vegetable was starting to sprout out of the Cheshire plain. | 0:01:30 | 0:01:35 | |
This was the only instrument in the Western world capable of tracking | 0:01:38 | 0:01:42 | |
both Soviet and American rockets at the height of the Cold War. | 0:01:42 | 0:01:47 | |
Three, two, one, zero. | 0:01:48 | 0:01:52 | |
Here's Jodrell Bank working for both the Americans and the Russians, | 0:01:52 | 0:01:55 | |
tracking their material, and both sides knowing it's happening. | 0:01:55 | 0:01:59 | |
I think it might have been | 0:01:59 | 0:02:00 | |
just about the only thing that was remotely like that. | 0:02:00 | 0:02:03 | |
But the pioneering work of Bernard Lovell | 0:02:03 | 0:02:06 | |
wouldn't be defined by the Cold War. | 0:02:06 | 0:02:08 | |
His telescope at Jodrell Bank would be at the forefront | 0:02:08 | 0:02:11 | |
of a scientific revolution. | 0:02:11 | 0:02:13 | |
He was a real scientist. | 0:02:13 | 0:02:16 | |
If there was some scientific mystery which he could tackle, | 0:02:16 | 0:02:21 | |
he was going to do it. | 0:02:21 | 0:02:23 | |
The solution to one such mystery | 0:02:23 | 0:02:25 | |
would redraw the known map of the universe | 0:02:25 | 0:02:28 | |
and lie behind the most mind-bending discovery of the 20th century. | 0:02:28 | 0:02:32 | |
That everything began in a big bang. | 0:02:33 | 0:02:36 | |
So who was Bernard Lovell? | 0:02:38 | 0:02:40 | |
And how did he put Britain at the forefront of the space race | 0:02:40 | 0:02:44 | |
and the search for a new understanding | 0:02:44 | 0:02:46 | |
of our place in the universe? | 0:02:46 | 0:02:48 | |
It's a weekend in September 1959 | 0:03:05 | 0:03:08 | |
and Bernard Lovell is playing cricket. | 0:03:08 | 0:03:10 | |
For Lovell, every Saturday was reserved for the game. | 0:03:10 | 0:03:14 | |
He was captain of the local First XI, so missing a match wasn't an option. | 0:03:14 | 0:03:19 | |
But this wasn't an average day | 0:03:19 | 0:03:22 | |
because the Russians had launched a rocket to the moon | 0:03:22 | 0:03:24 | |
and only Lovell's telescope could verify its landing. | 0:03:24 | 0:03:28 | |
TRANSLATION FROM RUSSIAN: | 0:03:29 | 0:03:32 | |
If the Russians' calculations were correct, their rocket would be | 0:03:52 | 0:03:55 | |
the first man-made object to hit another celestial body. | 0:03:55 | 0:03:59 | |
At the time, both the United States and the Soviet Union were obsessed | 0:04:00 | 0:04:04 | |
with getting a rocket to the moon. | 0:04:04 | 0:04:06 | |
It was hard for the Americans to admit | 0:04:06 | 0:04:08 | |
that the Russian space programme was more advanced than their own. | 0:04:08 | 0:04:12 | |
This led to rumours that the Soviets were somehow faking it. | 0:04:12 | 0:04:16 | |
But neither side had any instrument capable of tracking their own rocket. | 0:04:18 | 0:04:22 | |
So Lovell's new radio telescope, | 0:04:25 | 0:04:27 | |
in the heart of the Cheshire countryside, | 0:04:27 | 0:04:29 | |
was forced to play independent adjudicator | 0:04:29 | 0:04:32 | |
at the very beginning of the space race. | 0:04:32 | 0:04:35 | |
It was only after the cricket had a break for tea | 0:04:41 | 0:04:44 | |
that Lovell engaged with this unfolding drama. | 0:04:44 | 0:04:47 | |
Calling Jodrell Bank from a telephone box near the ground, | 0:04:47 | 0:04:51 | |
he learned that he and his telescope were being summoned | 0:04:51 | 0:04:54 | |
by both sides to confirm the events taking place. | 0:04:54 | 0:04:58 | |
After finishing the match, he returned to the telescope, | 0:05:04 | 0:05:07 | |
still in his whites, to a telex from Moscow | 0:05:07 | 0:05:09 | |
giving the precise frequencies and time | 0:05:09 | 0:05:12 | |
of the lunar impact for the Russian probe. | 0:05:12 | 0:05:15 | |
He was at Jodrell in the evening | 0:05:17 | 0:05:19 | |
by which time the Russians had sent all the data necessary for him | 0:05:19 | 0:05:22 | |
to track this rocket as it approached the moon. | 0:05:22 | 0:05:25 | |
But in-between, he was going to play cricket, and that was the balance. | 0:05:25 | 0:05:29 | |
By Sunday, the world's press assembled at Jodrell Bank | 0:05:31 | 0:05:34 | |
to listen, as the signals from the probe ceased, | 0:05:34 | 0:05:38 | |
indicating that the Russians had hit the moon. | 0:05:38 | 0:05:41 | |
HISSING AND BEEPS | 0:05:46 | 0:05:48 | |
What we just heard were the signals from Lunik 2, | 0:05:54 | 0:05:57 | |
recorded...picked up by the Lovell telescope here, | 0:05:57 | 0:06:01 | |
recorded on 13 September 1959, | 0:06:01 | 0:06:05 | |
and played back as a sound. | 0:06:05 | 0:06:07 | |
The beeps effectively are the signal coming from the spacecraft. | 0:06:07 | 0:06:10 | |
And when they stop, | 0:06:10 | 0:06:12 | |
we'd actually tracked the spacecraft right down onto the moon. | 0:06:12 | 0:06:16 | |
So it was possible to show | 0:06:16 | 0:06:18 | |
that the Russians had sent the spacecraft to the moon. | 0:06:18 | 0:06:21 | |
It was the first ever spacecraft to hit the moon, | 0:06:21 | 0:06:23 | |
to actually reach the surface of another celestial body. | 0:06:23 | 0:06:27 | |
How did this unlikely figure come to find himself | 0:06:33 | 0:06:36 | |
at the epicentre of a new age? | 0:06:36 | 0:06:39 | |
The son of a lay preacher and a shopkeeper, | 0:06:39 | 0:06:41 | |
Bernard Lovell had not considered the prospect of a life in science | 0:06:41 | 0:06:45 | |
until, as an impressionable schoolboy, | 0:06:45 | 0:06:47 | |
he was taken to a lecture by the eminent physicist AM Tyndall. | 0:06:47 | 0:06:51 | |
When he was a young boy, | 0:06:51 | 0:06:53 | |
in a village school, and in his own words, | 0:06:53 | 0:06:57 | |
I remember them very clearly, he said, "I was not a good student." | 0:06:57 | 0:07:01 | |
In other words, precocious intelligence not being stretched. | 0:07:01 | 0:07:05 | |
And he was taken to Bristol, and he walked into a lecture theatre | 0:07:05 | 0:07:10 | |
and he described to me the two globes | 0:07:10 | 0:07:13 | |
and the electric spark that was made to jump between them. | 0:07:13 | 0:07:18 | |
# I put a spell on you | 0:07:18 | 0:07:20 | |
# Cos you're mine... # | 0:07:25 | 0:07:27 | |
And he talked in really vivid terms | 0:07:27 | 0:07:30 | |
about the colour of the sparks in the room | 0:07:30 | 0:07:33 | |
and the sound of the arc lamps | 0:07:33 | 0:07:35 | |
and the smell of the electrical discharge | 0:07:35 | 0:07:38 | |
and the scorching of the air across the room. | 0:07:38 | 0:07:40 | |
I found him quite enchanting and bewildered, | 0:07:43 | 0:07:46 | |
and from that time I had a really great ambition to go to university. | 0:07:46 | 0:07:51 | |
MUSIC: Moonlight Serenade by The Glenn Miller Orchestra | 0:07:51 | 0:07:55 | |
But in 1939, this idealistic young scientist, | 0:07:57 | 0:08:01 | |
like many others of his generation, | 0:08:01 | 0:08:03 | |
was wrenched from his fledgling research position | 0:08:03 | 0:08:06 | |
in the Physics department and thrown into wartime work. | 0:08:06 | 0:08:10 | |
The aspect of Father's work that is generally regarded | 0:08:14 | 0:08:20 | |
as critical to the Allied war effort was | 0:08:20 | 0:08:24 | |
the development by his team of the short-wavelength radar | 0:08:24 | 0:08:30 | |
that enabled the war against the U-boats in the Atlantic | 0:08:30 | 0:08:34 | |
to be carried on successfully at night. | 0:08:34 | 0:08:38 | |
Lovell's new short-wavelength radar allowed Allied night bombers | 0:08:41 | 0:08:45 | |
to bounce radio waves off U-boats as they surfaced to refuel at night. | 0:08:45 | 0:08:50 | |
This revealed their positions and left them vulnerable to attack. | 0:08:50 | 0:08:54 | |
Britain was being starved to death | 0:08:54 | 0:08:57 | |
by the success of the U-boat attacks on the convoys | 0:08:57 | 0:09:00 | |
and Father's team was instrumental | 0:09:00 | 0:09:03 | |
in turning the tide of the battle in the Atlantic. | 0:09:03 | 0:09:06 | |
During the war, Lovell was in charge of a team of scientists | 0:09:06 | 0:09:09 | |
who developed an entirely new technology | 0:09:09 | 0:09:12 | |
at a speed that would have made Steve Jobs' head spin. | 0:09:12 | 0:09:16 | |
He made things work | 0:09:16 | 0:09:18 | |
which nobody would have dreamed of before the war. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:21 | |
So that he learnt a lot of radio engineering, | 0:09:21 | 0:09:27 | |
but he also learnt about how to run a big project. | 0:09:27 | 0:09:30 | |
The wartime work made Lovell understand pressure | 0:09:30 | 0:09:34 | |
and how to get things done with limited time and resources. | 0:09:34 | 0:09:38 | |
So, at the end of the war, with great relief, he was able to return | 0:09:38 | 0:09:41 | |
with new drive to his great passion for pure science. | 0:09:41 | 0:09:46 | |
Lovell had become intrigued by the possibility | 0:09:46 | 0:09:49 | |
that radar might be used to do more than find Nazi U-boats. | 0:09:49 | 0:09:53 | |
So, when he returned to Manchester in 1945, | 0:09:53 | 0:09:56 | |
he came with an Army trailer full of now defunct radar equipment. | 0:09:56 | 0:10:01 | |
All he needed was a quiet patch of land | 0:10:01 | 0:10:03 | |
far away from the noise of the city to set up his radar and start work. | 0:10:03 | 0:10:08 | |
Father went to Jodrell for the first time to see if it would | 0:10:08 | 0:10:11 | |
be suitable and had his Army trailer delivered there in December '45. | 0:10:11 | 0:10:17 | |
And the events I'm describing must have been very, very early in 1946. | 0:10:17 | 0:10:22 | |
There was nobody there, just my father, | 0:10:22 | 0:10:23 | |
nobody else was on the staff at Jodrell. | 0:10:23 | 0:10:25 | |
Jodrell Bank was a few acres of field | 0:10:32 | 0:10:35 | |
belonging to the university's Botany department | 0:10:35 | 0:10:37 | |
in the heart of Cheshire's countryside. | 0:10:37 | 0:10:40 | |
One of Lovell's early research projects was the study of meteors. | 0:10:42 | 0:10:47 | |
He wanted to prove that what you could see in the night sky | 0:10:47 | 0:10:50 | |
with your eyes was echoed by what he could see on his radar. | 0:10:50 | 0:10:54 | |
# Mr Sandman... # | 0:11:02 | 0:11:04 | |
In this early work at Jodrell Bank, | 0:11:04 | 0:11:06 | |
Lovell was joined by keen amateur astronomer Manning Prentice, | 0:11:06 | 0:11:10 | |
who, on clear winter nights, would lie in a deck chair studying | 0:11:10 | 0:11:14 | |
the night sky with his binoculars, shouting his observations to Lovell. | 0:11:14 | 0:11:18 | |
I was allowed, as an early treat - I must only have been about six - | 0:11:20 | 0:11:24 | |
to go, to be wrapped up with every sweater I had, | 0:11:24 | 0:11:28 | |
and be allowed to go and sit in another deckchair | 0:11:28 | 0:11:34 | |
next to Mr Prentice | 0:11:34 | 0:11:36 | |
and be there during the night, | 0:11:36 | 0:11:39 | |
far, far, far beyond bedtime, | 0:11:39 | 0:11:41 | |
while Manning Prentice would bellow out | 0:11:41 | 0:11:44 | |
the coordinates of his observations. | 0:11:44 | 0:11:47 | |
And inside the trailer, simultaneously, there would be | 0:11:47 | 0:11:51 | |
the team picking up the reflections from these meteor trails. | 0:11:51 | 0:11:55 | |
Lovell's enthusiasm doubled | 0:11:57 | 0:11:59 | |
when this research unequivocally linked radio echoes with meteors, | 0:11:59 | 0:12:04 | |
proving that astronomy could be done by using radar. | 0:12:04 | 0:12:07 | |
This pioneering research quickly drew eager young graduate students | 0:12:07 | 0:12:11 | |
to the fields of Jodrell Bank | 0:12:11 | 0:12:13 | |
to build their own radio-detection devices. | 0:12:13 | 0:12:16 | |
And the place started to look like some kind of strange fairground. | 0:12:16 | 0:12:20 | |
Post-war period, there was lots of ex-Army equipment | 0:12:27 | 0:12:31 | |
that was being dumped into mineshafts. | 0:12:31 | 0:12:33 | |
So they actually drove around the country with a truck, | 0:12:33 | 0:12:36 | |
piling as much of the electronics in the back as they could. | 0:12:36 | 0:12:39 | |
It was very much a sort of Heath Robinson | 0:12:39 | 0:12:42 | |
sort of seat-of-the-pants affair, where people would | 0:12:42 | 0:12:44 | |
build their own kit out of whatever they had to hand. | 0:12:44 | 0:12:47 | |
# Mr Sandman, someone to hold... # | 0:12:47 | 0:12:49 | |
We children were involved in this. | 0:12:49 | 0:12:52 | |
"Here's a piece of wire, this is a parabola. | 0:12:52 | 0:12:56 | |
"You're going to put a wire in the centre of it and help us | 0:12:56 | 0:12:59 | |
"listen to radio waves from space." | 0:12:59 | 0:13:01 | |
Which, looking back, was a slightly odd thing for a five-year-old | 0:13:01 | 0:13:05 | |
to be told, but it was interesting, sure it was interesting. | 0:13:05 | 0:13:09 | |
It was a lot more fun than going to the park. | 0:13:09 | 0:13:12 | |
There was a very good camaraderie | 0:13:13 | 0:13:15 | |
amongst quite a small group of people. | 0:13:15 | 0:13:18 | |
And they just made things work. | 0:13:18 | 0:13:20 | |
It was a very great privilege, really, to be involved in that. | 0:13:20 | 0:13:25 | |
Lovell and his team quickly realised that the success they were having | 0:13:27 | 0:13:31 | |
from their tangle of wires and aerials would be greatly enhanced | 0:13:31 | 0:13:35 | |
if they could connect their wires together | 0:13:35 | 0:13:37 | |
and stretch them across the field to create a larger collecting area, | 0:13:37 | 0:13:41 | |
able to pick up weaker signals from more distant stars. | 0:13:41 | 0:13:45 | |
But this early radio telescope couldn't move, | 0:13:45 | 0:13:47 | |
it just picked up radio waves from the stars as the sky moved overhead. | 0:13:47 | 0:13:52 | |
So he built a very large radio telescope, | 0:13:54 | 0:13:57 | |
as we now call it, by stretching wires in the form of a dish | 0:13:57 | 0:14:02 | |
and holding them up with scaffold poles. | 0:14:02 | 0:14:06 | |
It was quite a job to build it, | 0:14:07 | 0:14:09 | |
which they did, with their own hands. | 0:14:09 | 0:14:11 | |
The diameter of the bowl was determined by the distance | 0:14:13 | 0:14:17 | |
between the hedge of the farmer's field | 0:14:17 | 0:14:20 | |
and the truck, the Army truck, | 0:14:20 | 0:14:22 | |
that they had their equipment in, that had been dragged into the field | 0:14:22 | 0:14:26 | |
some years before and had just sunk up to its axles in the mud. | 0:14:26 | 0:14:29 | |
So that determined the size of the telescope, | 0:14:29 | 0:14:31 | |
that's why it's 218 foot. | 0:14:31 | 0:14:33 | |
So this was all very, you know, seat-of-the-pants stuff, | 0:14:33 | 0:14:36 | |
really great pioneering work. | 0:14:36 | 0:14:39 | |
My only personal memory of it | 0:14:39 | 0:14:42 | |
is being driven past it by my father | 0:14:42 | 0:14:47 | |
and seeing what seemed to be a tangled mess of chicken wire | 0:14:47 | 0:14:52 | |
with some kind of latticework girder poking into the sky. | 0:14:52 | 0:14:58 | |
And my father said, | 0:14:58 | 0:15:00 | |
"That's some rum kind of thing for looking at things." | 0:15:00 | 0:15:05 | |
In 1950, using this contraption, two of Lovell's colleagues, | 0:15:06 | 0:15:10 | |
Hanbury Brown and Cyril Hazard, made the first detection of radio waves | 0:15:10 | 0:15:15 | |
from the nearby Andromeda galaxy. | 0:15:15 | 0:15:18 | |
This was a revolutionary discovery, revealing that other galaxies, | 0:15:18 | 0:15:22 | |
besides our own Milky Way, emitted radio waves. | 0:15:22 | 0:15:25 | |
This new astronomy effectively remapped the universe. | 0:15:25 | 0:15:29 | |
I mean, for thousands of years, people will have looked at the skies | 0:15:29 | 0:15:33 | |
just using their eyes, so looked at the stars overhead, | 0:15:33 | 0:15:36 | |
the moon, the planets, and they even built structures, you know, | 0:15:36 | 0:15:40 | |
Stonehenge and others, associated with what happens in the sky. | 0:15:40 | 0:15:44 | |
400 years ago or so, Galileo was one of the first to use a telescope. | 0:15:44 | 0:15:49 | |
So a telescope basically just enhances the view | 0:15:49 | 0:15:52 | |
that your eye gives you. It collects more light, it zooms in on things. | 0:15:52 | 0:15:55 | |
But all that involved visible light, the stuff your eye can see. | 0:15:55 | 0:15:59 | |
Radio astronomy worked differently, | 0:15:59 | 0:16:01 | |
opening up a view of the invisible universe. | 0:16:01 | 0:16:05 | |
They were basically mapping out | 0:16:08 | 0:16:10 | |
something you couldn't see with your eyes. | 0:16:10 | 0:16:11 | |
So they were starting to pick up bright sources of radio waves | 0:16:11 | 0:16:15 | |
and then having to go and compare them to what we already knew. | 0:16:15 | 0:16:19 | |
And quite often, there was nothing there in the existing map. | 0:16:19 | 0:16:22 | |
And that was one of the great stories | 0:16:22 | 0:16:24 | |
of those early years of radio astronomy, | 0:16:24 | 0:16:26 | |
pinning down what these new radio sources were in the sky. | 0:16:26 | 0:16:30 | |
Lovell's contemporary, the celebrated cosmologist Fred Hoyle, | 0:16:37 | 0:16:41 | |
was particularly excited about the science of radio astronomy | 0:16:41 | 0:16:44 | |
and the possibilities it was opening up. | 0:16:44 | 0:16:47 | |
Its scope and reach was mind-boggling. | 0:16:47 | 0:16:50 | |
What radio astronomy has done is to give us | 0:16:51 | 0:16:54 | |
an extra window through which to look out at the universe. | 0:16:54 | 0:16:58 | |
This new view might allow astronomers | 0:17:01 | 0:17:03 | |
to look right back to the beginning of time. | 0:17:03 | 0:17:06 | |
But Hoyle himself didn't believe the universe had a beginning. | 0:17:06 | 0:17:10 | |
He was a leading advocate for steady-state theory, | 0:17:10 | 0:17:13 | |
the idea that the universe was in a process of continuous creation. | 0:17:13 | 0:17:17 | |
Today, we can peer far into the depths of space and see | 0:17:17 | 0:17:20 | |
some of the many millions of island universes we call galaxies. | 0:17:20 | 0:17:24 | |
Were they all created in a moment of time? | 0:17:27 | 0:17:29 | |
The fragments of a tremendous explosion? | 0:17:29 | 0:17:32 | |
Or is creation continuous | 0:17:32 | 0:17:34 | |
in a universe that had no beginning and will have no end? | 0:17:34 | 0:17:38 | |
Steady-state theory were pushing those who believed in the big bang | 0:17:43 | 0:17:47 | |
to find evidence to back up their claim. | 0:17:47 | 0:17:50 | |
The debate spanned the era, and while an answer would eventually come, | 0:17:50 | 0:17:54 | |
these were the very biggest questions. | 0:17:54 | 0:17:58 | |
Once you're in this, once you understand what the questions are, | 0:17:58 | 0:18:02 | |
and start thinking in those terms, you can't ever stop. | 0:18:02 | 0:18:06 | |
Bernard Lovell was fuelled by the exciting debates | 0:18:10 | 0:18:13 | |
arising in astronomy and was becoming increasingly obsessed | 0:18:13 | 0:18:16 | |
by the possibilities the research at Jodrell bank was throwing up. | 0:18:16 | 0:18:20 | |
Their DIY telescope had proved its worth, | 0:18:20 | 0:18:22 | |
but what Lovell really wanted was a telescope of epic proportions, | 0:18:22 | 0:18:27 | |
one that could move to look at any part of the sky. | 0:18:27 | 0:18:31 | |
He believed that if he could achieve this dream, | 0:18:31 | 0:18:33 | |
it would change human understanding of the universe. | 0:18:33 | 0:18:37 | |
They were just so determined that | 0:18:37 | 0:18:40 | |
if they could build a steerable thing like this, | 0:18:40 | 0:18:44 | |
it would be bound to be picking up some interesting things, | 0:18:44 | 0:18:48 | |
but they couldn't say what they were going to be. | 0:18:48 | 0:18:51 | |
They were right, of course. | 0:18:51 | 0:18:52 | |
In 1950, Lovell met Sheffield-based engineer Charles Husband. | 0:18:58 | 0:19:03 | |
Husband jumped at the opportunity to build something new, | 0:19:03 | 0:19:06 | |
and construction tenders went out in June of that year. | 0:19:06 | 0:19:10 | |
When Husband came to Jodrell to talk to Lovell, he said, | 0:19:16 | 0:19:20 | |
"Well, that's really only rather like a bridge | 0:19:20 | 0:19:24 | |
"with a moving piece on top. | 0:19:24 | 0:19:26 | |
"So let's just see if we can't design it." | 0:19:26 | 0:19:29 | |
And you have to realise that in those days | 0:19:29 | 0:19:32 | |
there was no computer at all, no question of computer-aided design, | 0:19:32 | 0:19:37 | |
it was all done with a slide rule and pen and pencil. | 0:19:37 | 0:19:42 | |
It was a marriage of ambitious engineering | 0:19:42 | 0:19:45 | |
with cutting-edge science. | 0:19:45 | 0:19:47 | |
They were sort of two like minds in a way - Lovell was driven by | 0:19:47 | 0:19:51 | |
the pure research, Husband was a sort of, you know, | 0:19:51 | 0:19:54 | |
go-for-it sort of engineer | 0:19:54 | 0:19:56 | |
who really felt that he could build such a thing. | 0:19:56 | 0:19:59 | |
Nobody had ever tried to build a device of this size | 0:19:59 | 0:20:05 | |
that would operate with the precision of a watch. | 0:20:05 | 0:20:08 | |
Nobody had done that before. | 0:20:08 | 0:20:10 | |
They'd done it with small things, | 0:20:10 | 0:20:11 | |
but they'd never done it with anything like that size. | 0:20:11 | 0:20:14 | |
It was a huge engineering leap. | 0:20:14 | 0:20:16 | |
There weren't prototypes, | 0:20:16 | 0:20:18 | |
there was just the first fully steerable large radio telescope. | 0:20:18 | 0:20:22 | |
A strange structure began to grow out of the Cheshire fields, | 0:20:22 | 0:20:26 | |
bemusing the local community. | 0:20:26 | 0:20:28 | |
If we stood there we could see across the trees | 0:20:30 | 0:20:33 | |
and could see it coming higher and higher gradually. And... | 0:20:33 | 0:20:40 | |
..of course everybody was wondering what an earth it's going to be? | 0:20:42 | 0:20:46 | |
There's strange vegetables starting to sprout out of the Cheshire plain. | 0:20:48 | 0:20:53 | |
In order to get his new telescope built, | 0:20:55 | 0:20:58 | |
Lovell needed support, and lots of it. | 0:20:58 | 0:21:01 | |
People had to be persuaded that it's a good idea. | 0:21:01 | 0:21:03 | |
The university had to be persuaded, | 0:21:03 | 0:21:05 | |
the people who funded the university had to be persuaded, | 0:21:05 | 0:21:08 | |
the government department that funded scientific projects | 0:21:08 | 0:21:10 | |
had to be persuaded, | 0:21:10 | 0:21:12 | |
so all those had to be | 0:21:12 | 0:21:15 | |
essentially lobbied to, very skilfully, | 0:21:15 | 0:21:20 | |
in order to persuade them to part | 0:21:20 | 0:21:23 | |
with what was an almost unprecedented amount of money | 0:21:23 | 0:21:26 | |
for an astronomical project in Britain. | 0:21:26 | 0:21:29 | |
We shall require a radio telescope | 0:21:29 | 0:21:32 | |
with a diameter of at least 250 feet. | 0:21:32 | 0:21:35 | |
That is the smallest and cheapest instrument | 0:21:35 | 0:21:38 | |
which will serve our purpose. | 0:21:38 | 0:21:39 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:21:40 | 0:21:42 | |
Lovell was harnessing an enthusiasm for radio astronomy | 0:21:42 | 0:21:45 | |
that had been fostered at the Festival of Britain. | 0:21:45 | 0:21:48 | |
On top of the old shop tower there's the latest radar equipment. | 0:21:52 | 0:21:56 | |
This national exhibition organised by the government gave | 0:22:00 | 0:22:03 | |
the public a feeling of recovery after the war by showcasing | 0:22:03 | 0:22:07 | |
the very best of British science and technology | 0:22:07 | 0:22:10 | |
and Jodrell Bank made an important contribution. | 0:22:10 | 0:22:14 | |
The fact that the centrepiece of the Festival of Britain is | 0:22:14 | 0:22:17 | |
the Dome of Discovery, | 0:22:17 | 0:22:19 | |
which is an exhibition that centres on the national contribution | 0:22:19 | 0:22:22 | |
that science and engineering makes, as part of a national story, | 0:22:22 | 0:22:28 | |
the fact that nine million people attended that exhibition... | 0:22:28 | 0:22:32 | |
In fact, at that exhibition | 0:22:32 | 0:22:34 | |
they saw radio telescopes being part of that story. | 0:22:34 | 0:22:37 | |
Well, that means radio astronomy is already part of that public image | 0:22:37 | 0:22:42 | |
of science in post-war Britain. | 0:22:42 | 0:22:44 | |
Participating in the Festival of Britain was a savvy move. | 0:22:44 | 0:22:48 | |
It excited the visiting public with the new science of radio astronomy | 0:22:48 | 0:22:52 | |
and was something the promoters of British science | 0:22:52 | 0:22:55 | |
could really get behind. | 0:22:55 | 0:22:56 | |
It's a good example of how Lovell can be extremely canny | 0:22:56 | 0:23:00 | |
in presenting different audiences with different arguments | 0:23:00 | 0:23:04 | |
for why Britain needs a giant steerable radio telescope. | 0:23:04 | 0:23:10 | |
Throughout the 1950s, | 0:23:18 | 0:23:19 | |
the construction of the telescope progressed steadily, | 0:23:19 | 0:23:23 | |
but costs were escalating. | 0:23:23 | 0:23:25 | |
The telescope began to go over budget which began to have | 0:23:40 | 0:23:44 | |
quite an impact on domestic affairs in the family home. | 0:23:44 | 0:23:49 | |
The original cost estimate they put together at the end of the 1940s, | 0:23:50 | 0:23:55 | |
early 1950s, was £120,000, and in the end it cost about £750,000. | 0:23:55 | 0:24:00 | |
Sir Bernard had a great deal of trouble to get the thing up | 0:24:05 | 0:24:08 | |
and it's a well-known fact that he reached a stage of being on | 0:24:08 | 0:24:13 | |
the point of criminal bankruptcy, personal trouble for him. | 0:24:13 | 0:24:17 | |
This was public money that Lovell was spending. | 0:24:28 | 0:24:31 | |
His project began to cut scorn as | 0:24:31 | 0:24:34 | |
Parliament's Public Accounts Committee | 0:24:34 | 0:24:37 | |
mounted a formal enquiry into the telescope. | 0:24:37 | 0:24:40 | |
The Public Accounts Committee could criticise | 0:24:40 | 0:24:44 | |
the spending of government departments in such a way that | 0:24:44 | 0:24:48 | |
whatever they said, | 0:24:48 | 0:24:49 | |
their criticism had to be listened to very carefully. | 0:24:49 | 0:24:52 | |
To be censored by the Public Accounts Committee | 0:24:52 | 0:24:55 | |
was an immense shame for a government department. | 0:24:55 | 0:24:57 | |
The government tried to counter the bad press | 0:25:04 | 0:25:06 | |
by commissioning a documentary film about the project. | 0:25:06 | 0:25:10 | |
It was to be a propaganda piece for the telescope showing both | 0:25:10 | 0:25:14 | |
the British public and the wider world what an engineering achievement | 0:25:14 | 0:25:18 | |
this was and how important this new astronomy would be in the future. | 0:25:18 | 0:25:23 | |
The script was a carefully worded offence | 0:25:23 | 0:25:26 | |
against Parliamentary criticism, | 0:25:26 | 0:25:28 | |
shot in a very terse style, topped off with some wooden acting. | 0:25:28 | 0:25:32 | |
Well, yes, of course that's what I really want. | 0:25:32 | 0:25:34 | |
A fully steerable telescope with a bowl about 250 in diameter. | 0:25:34 | 0:25:38 | |
But everyone says the engineering isn't too great. | 0:25:38 | 0:25:42 | |
Why, I don't know. The problem isn't entirely new. | 0:25:42 | 0:25:45 | |
Large swing vehicles and big dock side cranes | 0:25:45 | 0:25:49 | |
have many of the same features. | 0:25:49 | 0:25:51 | |
In the film what you see is very carefully stage managed dialogue | 0:25:51 | 0:25:58 | |
between the scientists and the engineers. | 0:25:58 | 0:26:01 | |
But it wasn't a British government film | 0:26:09 | 0:26:11 | |
that would save Lovell and his telescope. | 0:26:11 | 0:26:13 | |
The miracle would come in the form of a small satellite | 0:26:13 | 0:26:16 | |
launched into orbit by a Soviet rocket in October 1957. | 0:26:16 | 0:26:20 | |
It must have been a school day morning, | 0:26:20 | 0:26:24 | |
I think it was a Friday in October, | 0:26:24 | 0:26:27 | |
and there was a tremendous kerfuffle | 0:26:27 | 0:26:29 | |
in the early hours, and bells ringing. | 0:26:29 | 0:26:31 | |
There was a telephone in the hall at home which just about woke you up. | 0:26:31 | 0:26:34 | |
PHONE RINGS | 0:26:34 | 0:26:36 | |
Charles Husband had telephoned and said, | 0:26:36 | 0:26:38 | |
"Why don't you get Jodrell involved in this Sputnik? | 0:26:38 | 0:26:42 | |
"It will help us with our financial troubles." | 0:26:42 | 0:26:44 | |
We were saying, "Yeah, why don't you tune into Sputnik?" | 0:26:44 | 0:26:49 | |
And he said, "Because it's easy, anybody can do it." | 0:26:49 | 0:26:52 | |
Lovell wasn't interested in trying to pick up | 0:26:54 | 0:26:56 | |
the signals from Sputnik itself. | 0:26:56 | 0:26:58 | |
This sort of beach ball sized satellite that goes ping | 0:26:58 | 0:27:02 | |
because you could pick up the signals from that | 0:27:02 | 0:27:04 | |
with any sort of small radio receiver, | 0:27:04 | 0:27:06 | |
you didn't need a giant radio telescope like this to do it. | 0:27:06 | 0:27:10 | |
However, the media, the British public all thought that | 0:27:10 | 0:27:13 | |
somehow Jodrell Bank must be associated with this project | 0:27:13 | 0:27:17 | |
and they were asking, "What are you doing for Sputnik?" | 0:27:17 | 0:27:20 | |
And it actually wasn't until he got a call from someone in government | 0:27:20 | 0:27:24 | |
who pointed out that actually it would be quite interesting if Lovell | 0:27:24 | 0:27:27 | |
could demonstrate that we could get a radar echo off, | 0:27:27 | 0:27:31 | |
not off the Sputnik satellite itself, | 0:27:31 | 0:27:33 | |
but the rocket that had carried Sputnik into space, | 0:27:33 | 0:27:35 | |
which was itself also orbiting the earth. | 0:27:35 | 0:27:38 | |
And the reason was because that rocket was an | 0:27:38 | 0:27:40 | |
intercontinental ballistic missile. | 0:27:40 | 0:27:42 | |
And of course the next thing, it might launch into space, | 0:27:42 | 0:27:45 | |
might be something rather more threatening | 0:27:45 | 0:27:48 | |
than this sort of beach ball sized thing that goes ping. | 0:27:48 | 0:27:51 | |
Sputnik shocked the Americans. | 0:27:54 | 0:27:56 | |
They were confident they had bigger | 0:27:56 | 0:27:58 | |
and better missiles than the Russians. | 0:27:58 | 0:28:00 | |
But here they were in second place with a big question to answer. | 0:28:00 | 0:28:04 | |
A couple of months later they tried to do the same thing | 0:28:04 | 0:28:07 | |
and it blew up on the pad. | 0:28:07 | 0:28:08 | |
It raised I think about four inches, that's as far as it flew. | 0:28:08 | 0:28:11 | |
News about Sputnik sent scientists rushing to Jodrell Bank as they knew | 0:28:20 | 0:28:24 | |
it was the only place | 0:28:24 | 0:28:25 | |
that had a hope of detecting Sputnik's carrier rocket. | 0:28:25 | 0:28:28 | |
Everybody came back into work. | 0:28:29 | 0:28:31 | |
I mean, the whole thing between the 4th of October, | 0:28:31 | 0:28:34 | |
the following week, everybody was back in. | 0:28:34 | 0:28:38 | |
They did a few months' work in a matter of a few days. | 0:28:38 | 0:28:41 | |
Jodrell Bank's radar equipment was being monitored around the clock. | 0:28:44 | 0:28:48 | |
Lovell and his colleagues were looking for the unmistakable trace | 0:28:48 | 0:28:52 | |
the Sputnik rocket would produce on their screens. | 0:28:52 | 0:28:55 | |
This was all very exciting for one schoolboy. | 0:28:55 | 0:28:58 | |
By the next Saturday night they tracked it, and I was there. | 0:28:59 | 0:29:04 | |
He says quite correctly in his memoire of this that | 0:29:04 | 0:29:07 | |
"I pleaded with him to be present." | 0:29:07 | 0:29:09 | |
I felt I earned it cos I'd been cycling up and down | 0:29:09 | 0:29:12 | |
with sandwiches and tea from home for all the press | 0:29:12 | 0:29:15 | |
who by now were everywhere at Jodrell. | 0:29:15 | 0:29:17 | |
Jodrell had no experience of this. | 0:29:17 | 0:29:19 | |
There's this place that is in the middle of fields | 0:29:19 | 0:29:21 | |
in the middle of Cheshire | 0:29:21 | 0:29:23 | |
and suddenly there's Raymond Baxter on the roof | 0:29:23 | 0:29:26 | |
talking into a microphone saying this is history being made. | 0:29:26 | 0:29:29 | |
Everything's going on and I was allowed to go in this hut | 0:29:29 | 0:29:32 | |
and I saw this echo on the cathode ray tub. | 0:29:32 | 0:29:37 | |
I can see it now. Incredible. | 0:29:37 | 0:29:41 | |
A photograph's taken of that cathode ray tube and developed | 0:29:41 | 0:29:44 | |
and then magnified and projected in front of the assembled media | 0:29:44 | 0:29:49 | |
and Lovell was basically pointing out the trace, | 0:29:49 | 0:29:51 | |
the black line that was the flash of the radar echo, | 0:29:51 | 0:29:55 | |
the pulse beam coming back from the rocket as it orbited the earth. | 0:29:55 | 0:29:59 | |
Father reports correctly that he did say to me | 0:30:01 | 0:30:05 | |
"If the sight of that doesn't make you a scientist, nothing will." | 0:30:05 | 0:30:09 | |
In the early years of the space race, | 0:30:12 | 0:30:15 | |
Jodrell Bank was the only place in the world with radar | 0:30:15 | 0:30:17 | |
capable of tracking the first rocket, both Russians and Americans, | 0:30:17 | 0:30:21 | |
who were launching into space. | 0:30:21 | 0:30:23 | |
So it was relied on by both superpowers, | 0:30:23 | 0:30:26 | |
but Lovell's telescope wasn't designed for tracking | 0:30:26 | 0:30:29 | |
and some of the astronomers on his staff were dubious about giving | 0:30:29 | 0:30:32 | |
the telescope up for this purpose. | 0:30:32 | 0:30:34 | |
If you read the original design study | 0:30:34 | 0:30:36 | |
for the Lovell Telescope, as it was, | 0:30:36 | 0:30:38 | |
tracking these space missions was not part of the remit. | 0:30:38 | 0:30:41 | |
We were suppose to be looking at the planets | 0:30:41 | 0:30:43 | |
and things much farther out in space, | 0:30:43 | 0:30:45 | |
and of course that work did continue, | 0:30:45 | 0:30:47 | |
but suddenly this new arena opened up, | 0:30:47 | 0:30:50 | |
and not only the sort of peaceful use of space, | 0:30:50 | 0:30:53 | |
but also this great tension between these two superpowers | 0:30:53 | 0:30:56 | |
and I think Jodrell forged that path between the two. | 0:30:56 | 0:31:02 | |
I mean, this instrument was so far ahead of its time, | 0:31:06 | 0:31:10 | |
as an engineering achievement it was astonishing. | 0:31:10 | 0:31:13 | |
And as a scientific instrument it was uniquely capable of performing | 0:31:13 | 0:31:18 | |
some of these tasks for both the Russians and the Americans. | 0:31:18 | 0:31:22 | |
On the one hand, Lovell allowed the US Air Force to base themselves | 0:31:36 | 0:31:39 | |
at Jodrell Bank to use the telescope for tracking. | 0:31:39 | 0:31:42 | |
And on the other, | 0:31:42 | 0:31:43 | |
he invited Russian scientists to search for their space probes. | 0:31:43 | 0:31:47 | |
Given the political climate working, | 0:31:47 | 0:31:49 | |
with both sides at the time was totally unorthodox. | 0:31:49 | 0:31:52 | |
Three, two, one. Zero. | 0:31:52 | 0:31:56 | |
Here's Jodrell Bank working for both the Americans and the Russians | 0:31:56 | 0:31:59 | |
tracking their material, and both sides knowing it's happening. | 0:31:59 | 0:32:03 | |
I think it might have been just about the only thing | 0:32:03 | 0:32:06 | |
that was remotely like that. | 0:32:06 | 0:32:07 | |
Space tracking was a big coup for Lovell. | 0:32:13 | 0:32:16 | |
His collaboration with the Americans in particular | 0:32:16 | 0:32:19 | |
did much to restore his standing. | 0:32:19 | 0:32:21 | |
Princess Margaret visited Jodrell Bank to send signals to | 0:32:21 | 0:32:24 | |
the most successful American satellite, Pioneer 5, | 0:32:24 | 0:32:28 | |
as it sped out into space. | 0:32:28 | 0:32:30 | |
This rubber stamp of approval on behalf of the British establishment | 0:32:30 | 0:32:33 | |
did a lot to ease the pressure on Lovell. | 0:32:33 | 0:32:36 | |
One wealthy benefactor, Lord Nuffield, a pro-business, staunch | 0:32:36 | 0:32:41 | |
anti-Communist, was particularly impressed with Lovell's work. | 0:32:41 | 0:32:45 | |
These various activities, although they were, as I've said, | 0:32:45 | 0:32:49 | |
a small proportion of the work of the telescope, | 0:32:49 | 0:32:53 | |
were very important | 0:32:53 | 0:32:55 | |
and one result was that the funding of the telescope which had | 0:32:55 | 0:32:59 | |
actually still lagged behind, was completely cleared by Lord Nuffield | 0:32:59 | 0:33:07 | |
who telephoned Bernard Lovell one day and said, | 0:33:07 | 0:33:11 | |
"How much more money do you need?" | 0:33:11 | 0:33:13 | |
And said, "Don't worry, we'll pay that." | 0:33:13 | 0:33:16 | |
My impression is that Lovell's achievement was fantastic | 0:33:16 | 0:33:20 | |
given the situation of the country, | 0:33:20 | 0:33:22 | |
given the fact it was nearly bankrupt, given the fact that | 0:33:22 | 0:33:25 | |
nobody was interested in doing kind of things like this. | 0:33:25 | 0:33:28 | |
We were very inward looking, very negative. | 0:33:28 | 0:33:32 | |
It was a dirty, dark place in those days. | 0:33:32 | 0:33:35 | |
And I think for him to have collected some of the money together | 0:33:35 | 0:33:39 | |
and gone at it so hard to do it and get to within, what was it, 50,000, | 0:33:39 | 0:33:43 | |
that the phone called paid? | 0:33:43 | 0:33:45 | |
"I'll pay for that." Bingo. | 0:33:45 | 0:33:46 | |
I mean, it was a brilliant... | 0:33:46 | 0:33:49 | |
It said a lot I thought for the steely purpose behind that | 0:33:49 | 0:33:54 | |
charming and obeying exterior. | 0:33:54 | 0:33:56 | |
By involving himself in the space race, | 0:34:20 | 0:34:22 | |
Lovell tactically saved the telescope from ruin. | 0:34:22 | 0:34:25 | |
But in 1962, as the Cold War intensified, | 0:34:25 | 0:34:28 | |
a confrontation between the United States | 0:34:28 | 0:34:31 | |
and Russia over Soviet ballistic missiles in Cuba escalated. | 0:34:31 | 0:34:34 | |
A dramatic standoff between the two superpowers | 0:34:34 | 0:34:37 | |
brought the world to the brink of nuclear war. | 0:34:37 | 0:34:40 | |
Lovell's telescope was the only radar system in the UK | 0:34:40 | 0:34:44 | |
capable of detecting incoming missiles, | 0:34:44 | 0:34:46 | |
so it became the first line of defence. | 0:34:46 | 0:34:48 | |
This sent Lovell into a torment of anxiety. | 0:34:48 | 0:34:51 | |
And at the time of the Cuban Missile Crisis there was a team of | 0:34:51 | 0:34:54 | |
trained military personal trained to use the telescope | 0:34:54 | 0:34:59 | |
who were on standby to walk in here into the control room | 0:34:59 | 0:35:03 | |
to take over at the control desk here | 0:35:03 | 0:35:05 | |
and to drive the telescope round to point east | 0:35:05 | 0:35:08 | |
and to send out the radar pulses | 0:35:08 | 0:35:09 | |
looking for the echoes from the missiles rising. | 0:35:09 | 0:35:12 | |
And although we could have done nothing about it, | 0:35:12 | 0:35:14 | |
we couldn't have prevented those missiles from hitting, | 0:35:14 | 0:35:18 | |
it would have provided that several minutes for some people at least | 0:35:18 | 0:35:24 | |
to get into the bunkers. | 0:35:24 | 0:35:26 | |
PHONE RINGS | 0:35:26 | 0:35:28 | |
A new phone with a green handset appeared on Father's desk in his | 0:35:34 | 0:35:38 | |
study at home and that phone was not for use for any outgoing calls, | 0:35:38 | 0:35:44 | |
and certainly not for use by any of us. | 0:35:44 | 0:35:46 | |
That was the hotline, that was the phone on which Father | 0:35:46 | 0:35:51 | |
was going to be told to make ready for the telescope to be used by | 0:35:51 | 0:35:57 | |
the state as part of the western defence | 0:35:57 | 0:36:00 | |
because a missile strike was considered likely. | 0:36:00 | 0:36:04 | |
Once again in his career | 0:36:04 | 0:36:06 | |
Lovell found himself engulfed by the threat of war. | 0:36:06 | 0:36:09 | |
His scientific work threatened by political forces | 0:36:09 | 0:36:12 | |
quite beyond his control. | 0:36:12 | 0:36:14 | |
The Russians then invited him on a state visit | 0:36:18 | 0:36:21 | |
only a matter of months after the drama of the Cuban Missile Crisis. | 0:36:21 | 0:36:25 | |
Because Jodrell had this important role in defence, | 0:36:27 | 0:36:31 | |
Lovell asked whether it was appropriate for him | 0:36:31 | 0:36:34 | |
to be actually going to the Soviet Union so soon after that. | 0:36:34 | 0:36:38 | |
And actually nobody seemed to be worried, it was OK, | 0:36:38 | 0:36:41 | |
it was fine for him to go. | 0:36:41 | 0:36:43 | |
He went along and the surprising thing was that they actually, | 0:36:43 | 0:36:46 | |
he was surprised by this, they took him to see | 0:36:46 | 0:36:49 | |
what was the top secret facilities down on the coast of the Black Sea. | 0:36:49 | 0:36:53 | |
So he was shown around this whole place. | 0:36:55 | 0:36:58 | |
And then I think maybe even gently persuaded | 0:36:58 | 0:37:01 | |
might he consider the possibility of staying. | 0:37:01 | 0:37:05 | |
They could offer him some money | 0:37:05 | 0:37:07 | |
to build his own large telescopes there in Russia. | 0:37:07 | 0:37:10 | |
He didn't want to stay in Russia of course. | 0:37:10 | 0:37:14 | |
He said he was an Englishman, he wanted to return to England. | 0:37:14 | 0:37:18 | |
Upon his return, Lovell fell ill. | 0:37:18 | 0:37:20 | |
Suffering fatigue, headaches, depression and despondency. | 0:37:20 | 0:37:24 | |
The authorities blamed his mysterious illness on radiation exposure, that | 0:37:24 | 0:37:28 | |
the Soviets had tried to poison him in an attempt to remove his memories. | 0:37:28 | 0:37:32 | |
I don't think there was anything in that story, | 0:37:39 | 0:37:42 | |
but it was an important thing for him. | 0:37:42 | 0:37:47 | |
I mean, later in life Father rather warmed to the idea | 0:37:51 | 0:37:54 | |
the KGB had nobbled him, but I don't quite believe that. | 0:37:54 | 0:37:58 | |
What I do remember is that after years and years of tremendous strain | 0:38:02 | 0:38:07 | |
in dealing with the telescope and of... | 0:38:07 | 0:38:10 | |
going through the Cuban Missile Crisis with the telescope | 0:38:10 | 0:38:14 | |
as an instrument of defence for the west, | 0:38:14 | 0:38:17 | |
an exhausting trip to Russia, I think Father was just wiped out. | 0:38:17 | 0:38:23 | |
Rather than a Soviet poisoning conspiracy it seems more likely that | 0:38:32 | 0:38:36 | |
conflicting moral pressures caused Lovell's breakdown. | 0:38:36 | 0:38:40 | |
And despite a knighthood | 0:38:40 | 0:38:41 | |
he considered abandoning his work at Jodrell Bank entirely. | 0:38:41 | 0:38:45 | |
He had devoted enormous energies, | 0:38:47 | 0:38:50 | |
long periods of time wading against the currents of ignorance | 0:38:50 | 0:38:56 | |
to get his dream, his vision made real and concrete | 0:38:56 | 0:39:01 | |
and operational. | 0:39:01 | 0:39:03 | |
And he was a pure scientist and when it became | 0:39:03 | 0:39:08 | |
the interest of the military and the politicians he was deeply depressed. | 0:39:08 | 0:39:16 | |
Really shaken to his foundations of belief. | 0:39:16 | 0:39:22 | |
And he has spoken about this and he said that at one point | 0:39:22 | 0:39:27 | |
he considered resigning and entering the priesthood. | 0:39:27 | 0:39:31 | |
Father announced at one meal time that he was thinking of joining | 0:39:38 | 0:39:46 | |
the priesthood, so this, | 0:39:46 | 0:39:48 | |
I don't know how many of us children where there, | 0:39:48 | 0:39:51 | |
but let's say there was quite a number of us, and... | 0:39:51 | 0:39:55 | |
this was pretty funny. | 0:39:55 | 0:39:57 | |
I mean, let's be clear, | 0:39:57 | 0:39:59 | |
the atmosphere in the family home was not reverential to anybody. | 0:39:59 | 0:40:03 | |
Everybody just had to fight their corner, including my father. | 0:40:03 | 0:40:07 | |
And so there were gales of laughter at this. | 0:40:07 | 0:40:10 | |
We thought this was really funny. | 0:40:10 | 0:40:11 | |
And I can't remember the detail, but I'm sure one of us attempted | 0:40:11 | 0:40:15 | |
the imitation of a sermon given by Bernard Lovell | 0:40:15 | 0:40:19 | |
explaining how God might well not exist. | 0:40:19 | 0:40:21 | |
The priesthood clearly wasn't for Lovell, | 0:40:25 | 0:40:28 | |
but his Methodist upbringing never left him and when the BBC invited him | 0:40:28 | 0:40:32 | |
to deliver the Reith Lectures, it was to his spirituality that he turned. | 0:40:32 | 0:40:37 | |
I am certainly not competent to discuss this problem of knowledge | 0:40:39 | 0:40:42 | |
outside that required by my scientific tools | 0:40:42 | 0:40:45 | |
and my outlook is essentially a simple one. | 0:40:45 | 0:40:47 | |
Simple in the sense that I am no more surprised or distressed at | 0:40:47 | 0:40:53 | |
the limitation of science when faced with this great problem of creation | 0:40:53 | 0:40:58 | |
than I am at the limitation of the spectroscope in describing | 0:40:58 | 0:41:01 | |
the radiance of a sunset. | 0:41:01 | 0:41:03 | |
Or at the theory of counterpoint in describing the beauty of a fugue. | 0:41:03 | 0:41:07 | |
He really had a real sense of beauty | 0:41:11 | 0:41:13 | |
and when he talked about the universe, you know, | 0:41:13 | 0:41:16 | |
people think that scientists just see everything in numbers, but | 0:41:16 | 0:41:19 | |
scientists see everything in numbers and the numbers are beautiful. | 0:41:19 | 0:41:23 | |
The Reith Lectures really gave him a sense of the legitimacy of | 0:41:25 | 0:41:30 | |
the work here and what he was doing | 0:41:30 | 0:41:32 | |
and how important it was and how valued it was in society. | 0:41:32 | 0:41:35 | |
And certainly I think positioned him as a thinker as well as a scientist. | 0:41:35 | 0:41:39 | |
I think it was an emergence of a new kind of public figure. | 0:41:39 | 0:41:43 | |
While Lovell was now a public intellectual, | 0:41:46 | 0:41:48 | |
the Jodrell Bank story had also found its way into popular culture | 0:41:48 | 0:41:53 | |
via a BBC drama starring a new acting talent Julie Christie. | 0:41:53 | 0:41:58 | |
A for Andromeda was a BBC series | 0:42:03 | 0:42:06 | |
that was aired in 1961 | 0:42:06 | 0:42:09 | |
which just happens to be a story that is eerily similar | 0:42:09 | 0:42:13 | |
to the Jodrell Bank story. | 0:42:13 | 0:42:15 | |
It was set a large radio telescope in Yorkshire | 0:42:15 | 0:42:18 | |
managed by a charming and affable professor. | 0:42:18 | 0:42:21 | |
Sound familiar? | 0:42:21 | 0:42:23 | |
-And what's that one, Harvey? -Number 102, professor. | 0:42:23 | 0:42:26 | |
At this new telescope, just as it's opening, | 0:42:26 | 0:42:29 | |
something dramatic happens, just like Jodrell Bank. | 0:42:29 | 0:42:33 | |
It's not Sputnik this case, | 0:42:33 | 0:42:35 | |
but it's the picking up of a mysterious signal. | 0:42:35 | 0:42:38 | |
The signal is found to be coming from the Andromeda galaxy. | 0:42:38 | 0:42:44 | |
So this is a direct lift from the Jodrell Bank story. | 0:42:44 | 0:42:47 | |
Perhaps if it wasn't for that fluke we should never have heard it. | 0:42:47 | 0:42:50 | |
PHONE RINGS | 0:42:50 | 0:42:52 | |
It was written by Fred Hoyle, who was, alongside Lovell, | 0:42:52 | 0:42:57 | |
the most visible, famous astronomer in the country. | 0:42:57 | 0:43:01 | |
Throughout the 1960s, | 0:43:03 | 0:43:05 | |
Lovell and his telescope continued to generate stories, | 0:43:05 | 0:43:08 | |
somehow always finding their way | 0:43:08 | 0:43:10 | |
to the centre of dramatic space age moments. | 0:43:10 | 0:43:13 | |
Those weird sounds came from a spacecraft called Luna 9, | 0:43:23 | 0:43:27 | |
again recorded here at Jodrell Bank here in 1966. | 0:43:27 | 0:43:31 | |
Lunar 9 was an unmanned spacecraft. | 0:43:38 | 0:43:41 | |
It landed on the surface of the moon. | 0:43:41 | 0:43:43 | |
It took a photograph of the surface of the moon, developed it, | 0:43:43 | 0:43:46 | |
scanned it and transmitted that photograph back to earth | 0:43:46 | 0:43:49 | |
in the form of a radio signal. | 0:43:49 | 0:43:51 | |
Lovell used the telescope to hack into the signal | 0:43:51 | 0:43:54 | |
and, deploying an early kind of fax machine, | 0:43:54 | 0:43:56 | |
printed off the first pictures from the surface of the moon. | 0:43:56 | 0:44:01 | |
These were soon all over the news. | 0:44:06 | 0:44:09 | |
Nothing like this had ever been seen before. | 0:44:09 | 0:44:12 | |
After Lunar 9, | 0:44:14 | 0:44:15 | |
Bernard Lovell was soon thrust back into the spotlight | 0:44:15 | 0:44:18 | |
when James Burke, the BBC's main reporter on the space race, | 0:44:18 | 0:44:22 | |
asked him to contribute to his coverage of the audacious quest | 0:44:22 | 0:44:25 | |
to put men on the moon. | 0:44:25 | 0:44:28 | |
We asked Lovell on the show because he was a fantastic performer. | 0:44:28 | 0:44:31 | |
The audiences absolutely loved him. | 0:44:31 | 0:44:34 | |
Charming, obeying, affable, articulate, | 0:44:34 | 0:44:37 | |
spoke with great clarity | 0:44:37 | 0:44:38 | |
about what he was talking about. | 0:44:38 | 0:44:40 | |
He was also of course the President of the Royal Astronomical Society, | 0:44:40 | 0:44:44 | |
so a big wheel, and he gave the programme kudos, | 0:44:44 | 0:44:48 | |
it gave him authority. | 0:44:48 | 0:44:50 | |
If somebody like that would come on our show | 0:44:50 | 0:44:53 | |
it would make it look better than it was, and it did, and he did. | 0:44:53 | 0:44:56 | |
Apollo 8 launched in 1968 was the first manned spacecraft | 0:44:59 | 0:45:04 | |
to leave earth's orbit | 0:45:04 | 0:45:06 | |
and fly around the moon recording the now iconic earthrise footage. | 0:45:06 | 0:45:11 | |
It's hard to believe now because we're so blase about it, | 0:45:11 | 0:45:13 | |
but to look up in the sky and think that there were people on | 0:45:13 | 0:45:16 | |
the other side of the moon was just unbelievable. | 0:45:16 | 0:45:18 | |
I mean, people went out in the street to stare up | 0:45:18 | 0:45:20 | |
and you couldn't believe it was happening. | 0:45:20 | 0:45:22 | |
But Lovell saw getting to the moon as a circus event | 0:45:22 | 0:45:25 | |
and had mixed feelings about it. | 0:45:25 | 0:45:27 | |
He was one of the first to question the value of the American missions. | 0:45:27 | 0:45:31 | |
When Bernard was on the studio, inevitably | 0:45:31 | 0:45:34 | |
the subject of the scientific purpose of the missions came up. | 0:45:34 | 0:45:37 | |
And he was understandably ambivalent about it, | 0:45:37 | 0:45:40 | |
as indeed many scientists were at the time. | 0:45:40 | 0:45:43 | |
And so what then does this particular exercise | 0:45:43 | 0:45:45 | |
add to our knowledge | 0:45:45 | 0:45:47 | |
in terms of observing the moon surface, Sir Bernard? | 0:45:47 | 0:45:49 | |
I don't honestly think that you must search too much for any new vivid | 0:45:49 | 0:45:54 | |
scientific facts which are going to arise from these photographs. | 0:45:54 | 0:46:00 | |
It's not really the point at all. | 0:46:00 | 0:46:02 | |
We must treat it as a human adventure | 0:46:02 | 0:46:04 | |
and superb engineering achievement. | 0:46:04 | 0:46:07 | |
And I think later in life he said he became even more ambivalent | 0:46:07 | 0:46:10 | |
about the question of whether or not you should send men anywhere. | 0:46:10 | 0:46:14 | |
He did on Apollo 8 and later say that these were great technological | 0:46:14 | 0:46:18 | |
triumphs, which of course they were if you think about it. | 0:46:18 | 0:46:21 | |
Computing for example, the amount of computer power they had you know, | 0:46:21 | 0:46:25 | |
I've got more on my cellphone today, but they got to the moon and back. | 0:46:25 | 0:46:29 | |
If you like, the space race helped us to get the telescope working | 0:46:35 | 0:46:40 | |
and financed a lot of good scientific work, | 0:46:40 | 0:46:45 | |
but in itself the space race, the race to launch rockets | 0:46:45 | 0:46:49 | |
and get them going and put people in rockets, | 0:46:49 | 0:46:52 | |
that was not really our business at all. | 0:46:52 | 0:46:58 | |
As the space programmes went on tracking equipment was developed | 0:46:58 | 0:47:01 | |
all over the world and the reliance of Lovell's telescope declined. | 0:47:01 | 0:47:06 | |
So Jodrell Bank was able to dedicate itself entirely to science. | 0:47:09 | 0:47:14 | |
The kind of discoveries that Bernard was making with his own telescope | 0:47:14 | 0:47:17 | |
were immensely more important than Apollo, immensely more important. | 0:47:17 | 0:47:20 | |
I mean, Apollo, let's face it, was, "We're better than you." | 0:47:20 | 0:47:23 | |
It was a political statement, really. 99% of it was that. | 0:47:23 | 0:47:27 | |
If the space race was mainly metal bashing | 0:47:30 | 0:47:33 | |
and Buck Rodgers, then the really big scientific question of the age wasn't | 0:47:33 | 0:47:37 | |
can man walk on the moon but how did the universe begin? | 0:47:37 | 0:47:41 | |
Radio astronomy was at the very centre of this debate, | 0:47:41 | 0:47:45 | |
and Lovell one of those leading it. | 0:47:45 | 0:47:47 | |
Sir Bernard, it seems to me that the scientist's choice between | 0:47:47 | 0:47:51 | |
the Big Bang theory and the theory of continuous creation | 0:47:51 | 0:47:55 | |
is really entirely an arbitrary one | 0:47:55 | 0:47:57 | |
until somebody does some experiments or makes some | 0:47:57 | 0:48:00 | |
observations to prove it one way or the other. | 0:48:00 | 0:48:03 | |
Now, is this telescope going to help? | 0:48:03 | 0:48:05 | |
Certainly. We think that it is penetrating so far back in time | 0:48:05 | 0:48:10 | |
and out in space that it is giving us information about these | 0:48:10 | 0:48:14 | |
regions which probably hold the key to this great problem. | 0:48:14 | 0:48:18 | |
It was the radio astronomers who were the only ones | 0:48:22 | 0:48:24 | |
capable of looking far enough back into time | 0:48:24 | 0:48:27 | |
and space to picture the very beginning of the universe. | 0:48:27 | 0:48:31 | |
They dealt the final death blow to the steady-state hypothesis | 0:48:31 | 0:48:35 | |
by discovering the radiation left over from the big bang. | 0:48:35 | 0:48:39 | |
But rather than settling debates, this probing into the outer | 0:48:39 | 0:48:42 | |
reaches of the universe, would yield even more fantastic discoveries. | 0:48:42 | 0:48:47 | |
And Jodrell Bank would have a hand in the next big breakthrough. | 0:48:47 | 0:48:51 | |
One gifted student was inspired by a formative summer at Jodrell, | 0:48:57 | 0:49:01 | |
being introduced to the cutting edge of experimental radio astronomy. | 0:49:01 | 0:49:05 | |
Jocelyn Bell Burnell went on to do pioneering research | 0:49:05 | 0:49:09 | |
at Cambridge University, | 0:49:09 | 0:49:11 | |
from where she would make one of the most important astronomical | 0:49:11 | 0:49:15 | |
discoveries of the 20th century. | 0:49:15 | 0:49:18 | |
I began to notice there was something slightly | 0:49:18 | 0:49:21 | |
curious on the records, they came out as paper charts, | 0:49:21 | 0:49:24 | |
and, of course, on these charts you could see radio sources. | 0:49:24 | 0:49:28 | |
But there was also something that wouldn't quite fit either bill. | 0:49:28 | 0:49:32 | |
It wasn't exactly a twinkling radio source, | 0:49:32 | 0:49:34 | |
and it wasn't exactly interference either. | 0:49:34 | 0:49:37 | |
It finally turned out to be this signal that goes blip, blip, blip. | 0:49:37 | 0:49:42 | |
Typically, when you look at radio waves coming from outer space, | 0:49:47 | 0:49:51 | |
if you were to play those signals through a speaker, you would | 0:49:51 | 0:49:54 | |
hear a hiss, a white noise. | 0:49:54 | 0:49:56 | |
There would be no pattern detectable in there. | 0:49:56 | 0:49:58 | |
Now, we have this regular pulsing pattern. | 0:49:58 | 0:50:02 | |
In a sense, that would be exactly the sort of thing you might | 0:50:02 | 0:50:06 | |
expect if someone was sending a deliberate signal. | 0:50:06 | 0:50:09 | |
The natural assumption is it is artificial, it is Earth man made. | 0:50:09 | 0:50:13 | |
Only, it wasn't Earth man made | 0:50:15 | 0:50:17 | |
because it moved round the sky with the stars. So, is it ET? | 0:50:17 | 0:50:22 | |
Is it little green men out there? | 0:50:22 | 0:50:24 | |
But when Jocelyn found similar signals across the sky, | 0:50:24 | 0:50:27 | |
it was soon realised that they were in fact exotic astronomical objects. | 0:50:27 | 0:50:32 | |
About the same time I found the second, the third and the fourth. | 0:50:32 | 0:50:36 | |
Then it gets really incredible | 0:50:36 | 0:50:37 | |
that these things are little green men. | 0:50:37 | 0:50:40 | |
It has to be something much more natural. | 0:50:40 | 0:50:43 | |
It was soon realised, that these | 0:50:43 | 0:50:44 | |
things were not extraterrestrials, but actually, | 0:50:44 | 0:50:47 | |
perhaps something just as exciting for a physicist, | 0:50:47 | 0:50:50 | |
they were things that we now call pulsars. | 0:50:50 | 0:50:52 | |
They are actually the remnants of exploded stars. | 0:50:52 | 0:50:56 | |
So when stars more than about eight times the mass of the sun, | 0:50:56 | 0:51:02 | |
reached the end of their lives, they run out of nuclear fuel, | 0:51:02 | 0:51:05 | |
and they collapse in on themselves. | 0:51:05 | 0:51:08 | |
We see them because they beam out radiation from their magnetic | 0:51:08 | 0:51:11 | |
poles and as the star spins, it behaves exactly like a lighthouse. | 0:51:11 | 0:51:16 | |
This beam sweeps around and you see a flash, flash, flash. | 0:51:16 | 0:51:20 | |
These distant beacons from the very depths of the universe, | 0:51:27 | 0:51:30 | |
turned out to be ideal for Lovell's telescope to study | 0:51:30 | 0:51:33 | |
because it could point to any part of the sky. | 0:51:33 | 0:51:36 | |
Astronomers could test physics to its extremes using these objects | 0:51:36 | 0:51:41 | |
and Jodrell Bank has been studying them for over 40 years. | 0:51:41 | 0:51:45 | |
I think it is a lovely story | 0:51:45 | 0:51:46 | |
that Jocelyn did, in fact, come to Jodrell Bank first, | 0:51:46 | 0:51:50 | |
then went to Cambridge and made this magnificent discovery. | 0:51:50 | 0:51:54 | |
Now, back in Jodrell, Jodrell is, in fact, one of the world centres, | 0:51:54 | 0:52:00 | |
I should daresay the world centre, for pulsar research. | 0:52:00 | 0:52:06 | |
So pulsars weren't a message from ET, | 0:52:10 | 0:52:12 | |
but the idea of alien life was somehow in the ether. | 0:52:12 | 0:52:17 | |
Both Bernard Lovell and Fred Hoyle, | 0:52:17 | 0:52:19 | |
were prepared to entertain the notion with a good deal of enthusiasm. | 0:52:19 | 0:52:23 | |
Now, it seems unlikely that the Earth is unique, | 0:52:23 | 0:52:26 | |
and our own planetary system is unique. | 0:52:26 | 0:52:28 | |
In fact, the modern ideas about the formation of planetary systems, | 0:52:28 | 0:52:33 | |
makes it seem quite certain that planetary systems, | 0:52:33 | 0:52:36 | |
of which the one around the sun is an example, must be | 0:52:36 | 0:52:39 | |
of extremely frequent occurrence in the universe. | 0:52:39 | 0:52:42 | |
Nature doesn't do things in ones and twos, she's not mean. | 0:52:42 | 0:52:46 | |
There are millions of planets, millions of stars | 0:52:46 | 0:52:49 | |
and millions of galaxies, | 0:52:49 | 0:52:50 | |
and very likely up there, | 0:52:50 | 0:52:52 | |
millions of other different kinds of intelligent creatures. | 0:52:52 | 0:52:55 | |
What was once the sole concern of B-movies, | 0:53:00 | 0:53:02 | |
was now being seen as a legitimate scientific query, | 0:53:02 | 0:53:06 | |
backed up by the nation's leading astrophysicists. | 0:53:06 | 0:53:09 | |
Stanley's interest really was - | 0:53:14 | 0:53:17 | |
is there life elsewhere in the universe? | 0:53:17 | 0:53:19 | |
So the only possibility we could find out whether | 0:53:19 | 0:53:23 | |
there was extraterrestrial life was, | 0:53:23 | 0:53:26 | |
of course, through radio astronomy. | 0:53:26 | 0:53:29 | |
Could we pick up signals from other civilisations? | 0:53:29 | 0:53:33 | |
Radio astronomy, of course, was the way to do it. | 0:53:33 | 0:53:36 | |
At the end of the 1960s, Stanley Kubrick would make a visionary film | 0:53:36 | 0:53:40 | |
about the question of life in the universe. | 0:53:40 | 0:53:43 | |
He wanted it to be a serious work that engaged fully with hard science. | 0:53:43 | 0:53:47 | |
But in order to do so, | 0:53:47 | 0:53:48 | |
he would have to talk to a number of leading figures. | 0:53:48 | 0:53:51 | |
First on the list, was Sir Bernard Lovell, | 0:53:51 | 0:53:53 | |
Britain's leading astrophysicist. | 0:53:53 | 0:53:55 | |
He chose Sir Bernard Lovell because the nearest thing | 0:53:57 | 0:54:02 | |
we have had ever had in this country to a celebrity star astronomer. | 0:54:02 | 0:54:06 | |
He was very visible at the time, and in a sense he was quite | 0:54:06 | 0:54:10 | |
a natural person for Kubrick to come and speak to about 2001. | 0:54:10 | 0:54:14 | |
I also think Lovell was very aware that it is by connecting people | 0:54:14 | 0:54:21 | |
to stories and narrative | 0:54:21 | 0:54:22 | |
and imagination that they then become connected to the science. | 0:54:22 | 0:54:26 | |
I think there is a great similarity between Stanley's work | 0:54:32 | 0:54:38 | |
and Sir Bernard Lovell. | 0:54:38 | 0:54:41 | |
I think it can be summed up in one word - determination. | 0:54:41 | 0:54:45 | |
Lovell made an impossible dream into a reality, | 0:54:50 | 0:54:54 | |
turning a muddy field into an installation capable of giving | 0:54:54 | 0:54:57 | |
Britain a key role in the space age. | 0:54:57 | 0:55:00 | |
I think he did a tremendous amount in simply getting that | 0:55:00 | 0:55:03 | |
telescope onto the public consciousness, which he did, | 0:55:03 | 0:55:07 | |
partly because of his hard work and partly because of his charm. | 0:55:07 | 0:55:11 | |
Every time he went on television, he was a winner. He had audiences. | 0:55:11 | 0:55:15 | |
From a speculative beginning, | 0:55:21 | 0:55:22 | |
the Lovell telescope is now an icon of British science. | 0:55:22 | 0:55:26 | |
This telescope is still doing cutting edge scientific research. | 0:55:27 | 0:55:31 | |
Actually, Jodrell Bank is now the home of the next great | 0:55:31 | 0:55:34 | |
radio telescope, the Square Kilometre Array, which will see | 0:55:34 | 0:55:38 | |
the future of radio astronomy for at least the next 50 years. | 0:55:38 | 0:55:41 | |
The theme here isn't conflict, isn't defence, isn't spies, | 0:55:47 | 0:55:53 | |
isn't what turns out to be ephemeral stuff, | 0:55:53 | 0:55:59 | |
it's science. | 0:55:59 | 0:56:02 | |
It is people seeking knowledge. | 0:56:02 | 0:56:05 | |
The telescope is obviously an impressive scientific instrument, | 0:56:12 | 0:56:16 | |
but what Lovell built far exceeds its initial purpose, | 0:56:16 | 0:56:19 | |
and has inspired more than a small group of astrophysicists. | 0:56:19 | 0:56:24 | |
From science-fiction creators, to small children who wanted to | 0:56:24 | 0:56:28 | |
build it out of Meccano, | 0:56:28 | 0:56:30 | |
the telescope is more than the sum of its parts. | 0:56:30 | 0:56:33 | |
You walk on to that site and look at it and you just think, wow, | 0:56:33 | 0:56:36 | |
it is overwhelming. | 0:56:36 | 0:56:38 | |
It's a beautifully sculptured form, it certainly knocked me for six. | 0:56:38 | 0:56:44 | |
I was lost for words. | 0:56:44 | 0:56:47 | |
I think people have a really strong response to it because it is so big. | 0:56:47 | 0:56:51 | |
I think it is a visceral human thing. | 0:56:51 | 0:56:53 | |
I'm from the north-east of England | 0:56:53 | 0:56:55 | |
and the Angel of the North has had a similar impact on people. | 0:56:55 | 0:56:59 | |
There is a sense of ownership and place, really. | 0:56:59 | 0:57:02 | |
People regard it as something that signals home | 0:57:02 | 0:57:05 | |
or signals their own sense of belonging and heritage. | 0:57:05 | 0:57:08 | |
I think that's connected to the fact that they also know it is | 0:57:08 | 0:57:12 | |
picking up signals from way out in space, which is | 0:57:12 | 0:57:15 | |
a really fascinating thing for everybody. | 0:57:15 | 0:57:18 | |
Lovell, the son of Methodists, | 0:57:22 | 0:57:25 | |
who listened to the heavens the better to understand | 0:57:25 | 0:57:27 | |
the signs of the universe, is a very modern kind of hero, | 0:57:27 | 0:57:31 | |
who leaves behind a very special legacy. | 0:57:31 | 0:57:34 | |
Sir Bernard Lovell died in August 2012, | 0:57:38 | 0:57:42 | |
but the telescope which bears his name, has fused itself | 0:57:42 | 0:57:45 | |
into both the Cheshire landscape and the popular imagination. | 0:57:45 | 0:57:49 | |
People say, "And where are you from?" | 0:57:50 | 0:57:53 | |
We said, "You wouldn't know, it's way in the heart of Cheshire, | 0:57:53 | 0:57:59 | |
"right near the telescope." | 0:57:59 | 0:58:02 | |
You'd only to mention Jodrell Bank telescope. | 0:58:02 | 0:58:06 | |
"Oh yes, I've been there." | 0:58:06 | 0:58:09 | |
We are being put on the map because of the telescope. | 0:58:09 | 0:58:14 | |
It's fitted in, it's fitted in beautifully. | 0:58:17 | 0:58:22 | |
When you're looking at it | 0:58:22 | 0:58:24 | |
going along the road from Twemlow towards Chelford, | 0:58:24 | 0:58:27 | |
it's just a magnificent sight, really. | 0:58:27 | 0:58:30 | |
Especially in the sunset, | 0:58:30 | 0:58:32 | |
when the sun is going down and the light is shining on it. | 0:58:32 | 0:58:38 | |
It is a wonderful sight. | 0:58:38 | 0:58:40 |