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The space race -

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a two-horse race, you might think, between the US and the Soviet Union.

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But for a short time,

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there was an unlikely third player in the world of rocket research.

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Britain was the top scientific group in the world.

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I think we were unsurpassed as regards innovative thinking, frankly.

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So what happened to the UK's rocket programme?

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The answer is one familiar from other failed post-war British industries - lack of investment.

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We were in a very strong position,

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which we threw away as the years went on.

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Britain had lots of big brains -

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people who foresaw the future with rockets

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and space travel, but this was not pursued by the British Government.

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This is the story of the unsung pioneers of British space exploration,

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the rocket engineers, scientists, and, ultimately, the dreamers who,

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despite lack of resources,

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never gave up on bringing the future into the present.

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The passion of a bunch of engineers made something happen

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which didn't have time to be useful, and so was only delightful.

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The story of the British space race begins before the Second World War

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with the emergence of obscure rocket clubs dotted all over Europe.

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The British called theirs the BIS - the British Interplanetary Society.

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Leading member Arthur C Clarke and his contemporaries

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dreamed of a space age in which Britain would be a forerunner.

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They really do assume

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that Britain would be involved. It seems natural to them

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that the same military/industrial complex which built radar and the spitfire,

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will eventually be sending some squadron leader into orbit

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with his wind-combed moustache in his helmet.

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Arthur C Clarke says,

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"We were people who couldn't afford a car, but together could just afford the rear-view mirror."

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That's the level on which they could work.

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Rocket clubs, whether in the UK, Germany, or the Soviet Union,

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pushed forward the idea of developing rocket technology.

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In Germany, they were an ideal recruiting ground for Die Wehrmacht,

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developing what would later become the V1, V2 weapons.

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What mattered most to every country in the world, at this time, was not space, but weaponry.

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Rockets could be adapted to carry missiles and it was this that drove development.

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So, when the BIS heard rumours of a new German rocket,

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they should have been alarmed.

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This rocket would wreak havoc as the V2.

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The mastermind behind it was a space pioneer-in-waiting.

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There is only one place that the breakthrough happens.

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Only because of Wernher von Braun coming up with the V2 in Germany

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did rocket technology get to the next stage of possibility -

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that very bloody and immoral birth,

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without which there wouldn't be a space age.

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The invention of the V2 is very bad news for the population of London.

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But for the small group of British space enthusiasts in London,

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the news that the V2 exists is good.

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There is, in fact, a meeting of the British Interplanetary Society,

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in November 1944, to talk about the rumours that the Germans have started building big rockets.

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They're all sitting around, gloomily gazing into their beer, when a V2 falls, not very far away.

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There was a huge explosion. Because it travelled faster than the speed of sound,

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the sound of it arriving came after the explosion.

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Terrifying business.

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This group, of all the groups of drinkers in London in November 1944, know what just happened.

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The know what it means if there's an explosion with no sound of bombers overhead.

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When the Allies later captured German scientists,

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there was a chance Britain could get hold of von Braun's rocket expertise.

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I was quite astonished by what we found in Germany.

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It was like going into an Aladdin's cave of advanced technology.

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It was, in some ways,

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quite frightening to see how far along the line they'd gone

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in this, if you like, rocket technology.

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As a test pilot with specialist engineering knowledge and rudimentary German,

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Eric Brown helped interrogate the German scientists.

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Most of the scientists were not really politically motivated.

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What motivated them was, they were given the opportunity to practise their profession,

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with huge financial backing.

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And, of course, it was their country,

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and I'm sure there was a sense of patriotism involved.

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The prize capture was Wernher von Braun.

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All the Allies coveted his rocket expertise.

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But he engineered his capture to be on US-controlled territory.

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He was full of confidence

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that he felt he was giving himself as a gift to us.

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This was because he was a brilliant scientist, no doubt about it.

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Von Braun, of course, himself had huge ideas in his own mind

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of where this was all going to lead to.

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I would say he and an elite group of his scientists

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knew what the potential was,

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which lesser men had not thought about.

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Von Braun said, "Why did we decide to surrender to the US?

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"Because we despised the French, we feared the Russians and the British could not afford us."

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If the best prize went to the US, what did the UK take from Germany?

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Water and hair dye... Well, not exactly.

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This apparently innocuous mixture

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became a very special ingredient in the British rocket quest.

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Britain got, and later turned into its trademark,

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the German work on high test peroxide, or HTP.

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Hydrogen peroxide is the same stuff used in hair bleacher.

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It's what makes peroxide blondes,

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except, the peroxide used to turn hair blonde is a 4% concentration.

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What you use in rockets is 20 times as concentrated.

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Peroxide is H2O2 water with an extra oxygen atom.

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It looks and pours like water and it's convenient as you can treat it like water.

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We will go over to C site and see a demonstration of a gamma engine.

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The firing officer is just going into the control room.

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This gamma is another unit which we have developed here.

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It forms a basis of the Black Knight engine developed by Armstrong Siddeley Motors.

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In a matter of seconds, this engine will fire.

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I'll just hang on for a minute...

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Five...four...three...two...one...

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-fire!

-Here we go.

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'You don't need complicated pyrotechnic ignition systems.

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'All you have to do is to get your HTP blending with your rocket fuel

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'and the rocket runs on its own.'

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It's hard to believe that this simple mixture would give Britain

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a leading edge in the space race.

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Well, whatever you think of rockets, you must admit that that's beautiful.

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It is a very characteristic technology for the British effort,

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because it offers an elegant simplification.

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It's a way of being brilliant by side-stepping some of the problems

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other countries were getting bogged down on.

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Britain had by-passed the ignition problem - the only difficulty now?

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HTP was very dangerous and could spontaneously combust.

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The rule was that you worked in twos, one man doing the job,

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doing these nuts, or whatever,

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and the other man is standing by with a hosepipe running all the time.

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If you're undoing a nut and something were to splash a little,

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straightaway the other man would hose your hand, you, whatever it was.

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We never had to use the next stage, but at all test sites, there were large baths

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for personnel immersion. So if your mate caught fire, you'd throw him in,

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because it's the only way to extinguish, you could save his life.

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A number of people ended up in the baths without being on fire.

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Someone said "Fire!" and threw the bloke in! It was a laugh. It'd be your turn next!

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While HTP was being investigated, the development of the hydrogen bomb was exercising Western minds.

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It needed a delivery system. A rocket that would turn it into a ballistic weapon.

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Britain responded by developing Blue Streak.

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It was a solid fuel rocket,

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capable of launching a nuclear warhead from the British coast, out of the atmosphere and onto Moscow.

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It was one of many rockets developed at this time.

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They were primarily aimed as a deterrent.

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But the technology could be applied to other things and we knew this.

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We weren't given time to think about it, just carry on with the job.

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All rockets underwent rigorous static testing in the British Isles,

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from Cumbria, to the Midlands, to the Isle of Wight.

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The British programme had to fit into the smaller,

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more crowded geography of 1960's England.

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It didn't happen in the wilderness, it happened with the rest of British life going on around it.

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The test bed in the Midlands,

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got complaints from the maternity hospital next door about noise.

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The tests were certainly loud and looked alarmingly scary.

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We fired it for ten seconds to start with. Then we'd work up to 60 or 90.

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It was incredibly noisy, is my memory, and huge clouds of steam.

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We all stood a long way back because early on,

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a few had blown up, so it was a good idea to stand well away.

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The rockets didn't stay in one place. Often they were moved between firing stations.

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It was assembled into a vehicle and taken to Highdown.

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There was this rather steep cliff.

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We had two test stands, not launch stands -

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you didn't let things go.

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Everybody coming into Southampton could see this very strange site of a jet of super-heated steam

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firing sideways out of the white cliffs of the Isle of Wight.

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One engineer suggested that they paint on the side of a shed, "Home of the British Space Programme"

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but his bosses said, "No, no, no. That would be against security and it would be boasting as well."

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At the time, you didn't explain to your family what you were doing.

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I think my kids had some idea I was involved with rockets, but...

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what we were up to, they'd no idea.

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My father was convinced I was in the space programme - he told his friends I was orbiting,

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which was a bit of an embarrassment!

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But the main problem with British testing

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was that nowhere was quite remote enough to fully let the rockets go.

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So the British Government turned to the Australians.

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-REPORTER:

-That's the end of a successful test.

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The rocket will now be sent to Australia. Here it is in its crate.

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And now all is ready for the flight halfway round the world to Woomera.

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We were all pushing against timescale, all the way along.

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That's what made it exciting.

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A date was fixed for flying and you had to have things ready.

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If you missed the boat, it was three months till the next one!

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We only had one firing team so we could only fire four a year, at best.

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But it was also an arrangement where the project wasn't to cost too much.

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As long as we didn't spend over £2 million a year, the RE was in charge.

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Unless you'd driven down range at Woomera, you didn't quite realise how bad the outback can be.

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I know the first time I went, I thought, "This is a joke."

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They took me to a cairn where Giles' favourite camel had died of thirst.

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You suddenly realised that the water you brought was the only one within 350 miles of where you were.

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Rockets from all over the world were taken to Woomera.

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In its five decades as a launch pad, 4,000 rockets in all were launched from there.

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# Call out the instigator

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# Because there's something in the air

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# We got to get together sooner or later

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# Because the revolution's here

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# And you know it's right... #

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When you stood at the launcher, you got to the 30-second countdown,

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and you just sat there, and it went up! And it goes straight up,

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rather fast, you know! So they disappear into the blue yonder in no time at all.

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And all the things you're there for happen out of sight.

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You stand there and say, "I wonder what's happened!"

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I know we designed experiments with ideas of what was going to happen.

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When we sat and observed it, it wasn't like that at all. We'd go back and say, "The theory's wrong, lads!"

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It was assumed that Woomera would become this Commonwealth spaceport,

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that all kinds of space exploration missions would begin there.

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There were any number of sci-fi stories written during this period

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that had the first mission to the moon beginning from Australia with a British/Australian crew -

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a great expectation that we would be there conquering space.

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But, of course, the Russians got there first.

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When the Sputnik satellite was launched on October 4th 1957,

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it set in train fears that Russia could attack the West from space.

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-Do you admire the Russians?

-No. We should've been the first to have it.

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We fear they have something out there most people don't know about.

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Somebody's falling down on the job.

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As atomic testing and space science quickly gathered pace,

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public anxiety grew.

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Were scientific endeavours being achieved at the expense of mankind?

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Belief in UFOs and beings from other planets were rife.

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The TV of the day highlighted these concerns.

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Earth, as you call it,

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faces...a certain situation.

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A dangerous one.

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You are liable to upset...

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the balance of your Earth...

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through...number one...

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atomic experimentation, and, number two...

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your deviation from the spiritual laws.

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What Mr King is really doing,

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perhaps through what may well be total delusion is, nevertheless,

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uttering, in symbolic form, the cry of anxiety that divides our world.

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That our scientific interest has outrun our wisdom and humanity,

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and we're afraid it may outrun our existence.

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We delude ourselves to think there is no significance in these fears.

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Fears about rockets were matched in magnitude by a very British economic concern.

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Britain was very hard up after the war, of course.

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We were a bankrupt country.

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We helped to get Germany back on its feet financially.

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The result was our own industries were neglected.

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It was a very sad period.

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In the late 1950s as a BBC reporter, Reg Turnhill asked Minister of Supply, Aubrey Jones,

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about Government funding and got a typical response.

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-Why has it been done so cheaply?

-We do all our research on a shoestring compared with the US.

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We're forced to by limited resources.

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Britain had lots of big brains people.

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They drifted away. Most of our best brains

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went off to work in America. That was known as the Brain Drain.

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With such an attitude,

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it was no surprise when the Macmillan Government cancelled Blue Streak in 1960.

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Costs were soaring and the proposed rocket silos on the Norfolk coast,

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were deemed too close to North Sea oil rigs, in themselves a target.

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It was cheaper for the UK to buy Polaris from the USA.

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Military development on Blue Streak stopped.

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It would have its place in future space plans, but, for the moment, it was destined to the scrap heap.

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In 1975, the BBC's Horizon programme

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took engineer Geoffrey Pardoe to an abandoned Blue Streak hangar.

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The only Blue Streak rocket still intact, lies in an old hangar.

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It's a sad relic of Britain's prouder days.

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The heart of the whole thing came back to the two Rolls-Royce rocket engines here.

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Together they produced about 250,000 pounds of thrust,

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with the liquid propellant being delivered from the turbo pumps inside this bay - very high technology -

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and then the tank section ahead of this.

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This got a very bad press,

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but it worked every time in its development shots.

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It was one of the most successful rockets.

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This slightly stiffened kerosene bay and the liquid oxygen tank here -

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it's really just a long, pressurized, stainless steel balloon.

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The wall thickness - 19 thousandths of an inch...

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BANGING ..a few thicknesses of paper.

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The pressure in it kept it stiff throughout its flight and allowed the very low weight to be achieved,

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so the propulsion system could carry the warhead, which would've been in this bay.

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But Blue Streak wasn't quite dead.

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It would have a role in space research.

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With input from the French, Italians, and West Germans,

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ELDO - the European Launcher Development Organisation -

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was set up to develop a European satellite launcher called Europa.

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Blue Streak was to be used as its first stage.

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And snapping at Europa's heels was a new solely-British venture called Black Arrow.

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Black Arrow would use the British signature technology of high-test peroxide,

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now engineered almost to perfection since the war.

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But government investment in the satellite launcher was limited.

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'You do what you can.

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'We ran projects with all the logic of how things work together.'

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And when you can't get things done,

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you have to repackage the programme to see how you can save time.

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While the British made do on threadbare budgets,

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more wealthy nations competed for space milestones.

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Russia launched the first man into space,

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and Reg Turnill was there to find out more.

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My colleague Reginald Turnill, the BBC's air correspondent, is here.

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Reg, come and join me just one second.

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If you had any chance of asking questions at this press conference,

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-what would be the one you would put?

-We still don't know how the Russians can launch these things.

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Whether they've got just very big rockets of the sort we use,

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or whether they have special fuel that we don't know about.

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HIS WORDS ARE TRANSLATED: This was a major achievement for Soviet science and for our country,

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but it was also a major achievement for world science and for the people of the whole world.

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The space race was entirely military oriented.

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We wouldn't have landed a man on the moon now

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if there hadn't been this contest

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between the Russians and America to get to the moon,

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because the military men put forward this crazy idea,

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and I was briefed about it many times,

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that the man on the high ground dominates the world.

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So the theory was that you'd better get to the moon first,

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because whoever was at the moon would call the tune militarily.

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It was the USA that won the goal for which Wernher von Braun had defected to the West.

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Some British scientists were also part of the brain drain that helped Apollo 11

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put Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin onto the surface of the moon.

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In my view, the Americans had got to the moon

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on German rockets, American dollars and British brains.

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It was not wholly true, but there was a lot in it.

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'NASA soak up budgets like nobody's business,

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'and, sadly, don't produce the results

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'that we could've done on a cheaper basis with smaller teams.

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'They have enormous teams. We said they trample their problems to death,

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'whereas we had to sit down and solve them at a desk.

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When it comes down to it, they're not producing anything better than we were.

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By 1971, British Politicians were getting twitchy.

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Debate was raging over whether the UK should continue with rocket development

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while the USA was offering us free piggyback rides into space.

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British money could surely be spent better on public services.

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Meanwhile, Black Arrow was on its way to Australia

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to prepare for an all-British milestone -

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the launching of a satellite into space.

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Heath's Minister for Aerospace stood up in the House of Commons

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and announced that the Black Arrow programme was cancelled.

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But the engineers were given the chance

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to try to prove their system just once more,

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since the rocket was already on its way, everything was already in place.

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So they knew before they tried to launch

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that, succeed or fail, the programme was already over.

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That success was not actually going to accomplish anything.

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The satellite due to be launched into orbit underwent a name change.

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Instead of Puck, the Shakespearean sprite who flies around the world with ease,

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the engineers renamed it Prospero, after the tired magician who lays down his books.

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Could they pull off one last magic trick,

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to prove that Britain could get into orbit?

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Man years of their work, and their dedication, and their passion,

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and their very serious professional design skills,

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were invested in this thing.

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So, with the most loving caution imaginable,

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the team set it up on its launch site at Woomera,

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and began the countdown, stopping for anything

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that looked as if it could conceivably go wrong, because this was their last chance.

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But nothing did go wrong.

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The last flight of Black Arrow was successful,

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and the satellite Prospero was launched over 550km into orbit.

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Great elation all round the department.

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The little ministry man turned up at the office,

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and we got together to listen to him, cos we thought

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he'd come to say how well we'd done and what the next phase would be,

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and all the little so-and-so had come to tell us was,

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"It was a good job, wasn't it? Please wrap it up and send the bill in."

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And it's resented even to this day.

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You can talk to people and they'll say, "It was a bad day, wasn't it?"

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Any mention of Prospero, and they'll almost start to weep.

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The British Government thought it had learned by experience,

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in the 1960s, that space was a waste of money.

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The irony here is that the last ride of the Black Arrow

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happens only a very few years before the great age of the commercial satellite begins,

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when all of the money which had been fired up in orbit started raining down.

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Ariane, which the French went ahead with,

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as much for reasons of national technological pride,

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as from commercial calculations

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was a commercial success,

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because it was there already in the late-1970s.

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Black Arrow would now be a very handy rocket launcher.

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There are lots of 100kg satellites it would be nice to launch...

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The UK pulled out of rocketry all together

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and we settled down...

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The Government decided that our scientific establishments

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could provide components

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for other people's satellites

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and expertise, and so on.

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So we became small-bit players in the whole thing.

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The old imperial power, Great Britain, was starting to lose her way.

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She reduced her majority share in the European Launcher Development Organisation

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and pulled out British engineers.

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Whereas the farsighted French carried on with the profitable launching business,

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British rocket engineering became a thing of the past.

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Over the next few decades, UK governments wavered with intermittent space funding

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and a largely fruitless search for private investment.

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Our politicians have taken the view... I know it was true from how they worked with the French,

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that if we'd got something small that wanted launching, you asked one of the others to do it for you.

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This brings us to the point where the British Government made, years back, a decision

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that they would distance themselves from what they call launchers. Not satellites - they still make those.

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They always screw it to the side of a bus, if you like, that happened to be going the right way,

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and ask them to kick it off at a certain Tube station. It goes into its own little orbit

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and the rest goes on to something else. This is very sad.

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That ruins all the work that we did - it throws it in the bin

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because the technology for making satellites smaller, better, more capable,

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doesn't require any rocket-engine technology at all.

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It meant that instead of being the second-last nation,

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as we were after the war,

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we're now the third-last nation. Nobody thinks we can afford to do anything.

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We could, really. It's just, the French decide to do something and worry about the money after.

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The rest of the 20th century saw Britain half-heartedly supporting various space projects.

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The HOTOL - horizontal takeoff and landing - idea came and went.

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The British National Space Centre was set up...

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This is an exciting time for space and a very important day for the space industry in Britain.

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..and then hit badly by withdrawal of funding seven years later.

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When Halley's Comet came, British-built Giotto was there to photograph it.

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But, a year later, the UK effectively pulled out of the European Space Agency

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by refusing to back French astronauts with British money.

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MARGARET THATCHER: It is correct that we have not been able to find the extremely considerable amount

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of extra expenditure that was requested...

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We shall continue our subscription to the European Space Agency,

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but we are not able to find more money.

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It seemed the British had deserted the questing space spirit

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until only very recently.

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Good evening. Look up into the southeast fairly late on,

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and you will see the red planet Mars.

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In August, it will be as close to us as it will ever be -

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less than 35 million miles.

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Can there be life there?

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That's what we want to find out,

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and, I think, soon we'll do so.

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By the 21st century, Britain's main technological focus had drifted to satellites and probes

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and received little attention from the public.

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But then Mars came close to Earth, and British scientists had a chance

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to get there. The public found themselves enthralled.

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30 seconds to go. Will this search for life on Mars

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get off the ground? There's no stopping the countdown now.

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The ignition is about to begin...

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Any second, the main engines will start. There they go right now.

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You can see the flames. There's so much riding on this.

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Europe's first mission to Mars, Britain's first attempt to find life beyond Earth.

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Here it goes! Any second now!

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When the Beagle probe was launched from Kazakhstan on a Russian rocket,

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British scientist Professor Colin Pillinger and his team stepped back into the arena of space,

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where Britain had always been a third-class citizen.

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We couldn't wait. Mars was the closest it was ever going to be.

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We knew we had one chance, and we were gonna go for it

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in a single shot.

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In the spirit of great explorers, it was decided to name the probe Beagle 2,

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after Darwin's to find new life forms on the HMS Beagle expedition to South America.

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Pillinger played up the pioneer explorer role of his own search for life on Mars,

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and the media indulgently reported the project as Britain's latest great boffin space quest.

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'Professor Colin Pillinger is proud that his Mars space craft,

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'Beagle II,

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'fits in a supermarket trolley.

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'This is eccentric, under-funded British science at its best.'

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These are some of the people who'll be running Beagle II.

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When we think of mission control, we imagine a huge room in NASA with hundreds of people.

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For Beagle II, this is mission control -

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an upstairs room at the Open University in Milton Keynes.

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The Beagle was over-hyped

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and this was why it was such a disappointment.

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It got too much publicity for once.

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'Hopes of finding the Beagle II Mars probe are fading rapidly.

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'Scientists have admitted the best chance of making contact

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'with Beagle II has failed.

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'The Beagle's chief scientist wasn't giving up and would hear no talk of failure.'

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We have demonstrated that people are interested in science and technology.

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And we have to capitalise on that.

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Space missions go wrong at launch.

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In the case of Beagle,

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we always looked at everything we achieved as another tick in the box.

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The team knew the risks and the things you had to do.

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The media were almost more broken-hearted than we were

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when we didn't get that signal from Beagle II.

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People were really taken by surprise

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when Beagle II became famous.

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They were surprised to know they could hope for Britain to do that thing,

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because Britain does virtual engineering these days.

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It's because of Beagle that people are now thinking again

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about the almost forgotten history of the British space programme.

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You have to appreciate

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that it isn't easy to launch things into space and it isn't easy to get to Mars.

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I would be very sad if people took this

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as a one-off nasty dream,

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it's now gone away, we'll never do this again.

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Because it is absolutely certain

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that if we'd kept going in the rocket programme,

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it would have been Blue Streak, not Arian.

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I wish we could have made more of it.

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But I understand why we couldn't.

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I really do want to know what's out there.

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Up in our roof at home, there's a long shelf

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of projects that might have been, and still people don't want them.

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I said to my wife, "Shall we throw these out?"

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She said, "No, the world hasn't caught up yet."

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They're still there and we did experiments to prove they'd work.

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And it's very frustrating, but that's life.

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We should remember that both Australia and Britain had the vision of space.

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The dream has always been there and it remains there.

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And although you can look back and say with some bitterness at times,

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"Look what we gave up!"

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You can also look back and say, "Look what we achieved."

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In some way, the peculiarities of British boffins

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are a sign of the threadbare footing they have to do their engineering on.

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What we need to do is to retire boffins

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and have engineers instead, preferably with large enough budgets.

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We should be getting back into manned space flight.

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That's the only way we're going to encourage our young people.

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It's never too late. It's not good to be late, but better late than never.

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