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I don't think they were very innocent, really honestly. And some of them certainly were not. | 0:00:50 | 0:00:56 | |
NSIT, Not Safe In Taxis. | 0:01:00 | 0:01:03 | |
In other words, don't be left alone with him, whatever you do. | 0:01:03 | 0:01:07 | |
MTF - Must Touch Flesh. That was one of the dirty old creeps that pinched your bottom. | 0:01:07 | 0:01:13 | |
There was that magic bit between the top of your stockings and the bottom of your... | 0:01:13 | 0:01:18 | |
Your knickers had strong elastic, you know. Well, they did, you'll have to believe me! | 0:01:18 | 0:01:24 | |
And there was something like two inches of bare, bare skin. | 0:01:24 | 0:01:29 | |
And that's the most wicked thing. | 0:01:29 | 0:01:32 | |
I was so ignorant, that I would sit bolt upright on the edge of my seat in case somebody kissed me. | 0:01:32 | 0:01:38 | |
Because I thought if he kissed me, I might have a baby. I was 17! | 0:01:38 | 0:01:43 | |
Think of nowadays! | 0:01:43 | 0:01:47 | |
I think romance has gone out of the window. | 0:01:47 | 0:01:50 | |
-It's "Your place or mine?" now. -Yes, it doesn't exist any more. | 0:01:50 | 0:01:55 | |
The annual Debutante Season | 0:01:56 | 0:01:58 | |
was designed to introduce the new crop of society girls into the upper class marriage market. | 0:01:58 | 0:02:04 | |
In 1939, with war approaching, the season carried on as usual. | 0:02:04 | 0:02:10 | |
One of the highlights was Queen Charlotte's Ball. | 0:02:11 | 0:02:15 | |
It was a joke. It really was a joke. | 0:02:15 | 0:02:18 | |
Curtsying to a cake! | 0:02:18 | 0:02:21 | |
But it was one of those things that, | 0:02:21 | 0:02:24 | |
as the Americans would say, you ticked off. | 0:02:24 | 0:02:27 | |
You did it unquestioningly. | 0:02:27 | 0:02:30 | |
Elizabeth Northumberland, Sarah Churchill, | 0:02:35 | 0:02:39 | |
Bridget Elliot and I, were banned | 0:02:39 | 0:02:42 | |
because they thought... we thought it was slightly funny. | 0:02:42 | 0:02:46 | |
We had to wear hearts round our necks. We thought we looked ridiculous. | 0:02:46 | 0:02:51 | |
We were considered to be a disruptive influence. | 0:02:51 | 0:02:55 | |
-I -think she's probably right, yes! | 0:02:56 | 0:02:59 | |
I think she IS probably right. | 0:03:00 | 0:03:03 | |
I teased Elizabeth Northumberland much later on | 0:03:03 | 0:03:07 | |
when she became the person who cut the cake for the Queen Charlotte's Ball. I thought, "What a change!" | 0:03:07 | 0:03:14 | |
I was Queen Charlotte. | 0:03:14 | 0:03:17 | |
Other people had to come and curtsy to me. That was quite funny! | 0:03:17 | 0:03:22 | |
There she was in her tiara being very correct! | 0:03:22 | 0:03:26 | |
Each deb had her own coming out dance. | 0:03:30 | 0:03:33 | |
There was often more than one in the same evening. Some of them small, some, like the Holland House Ball, | 0:03:33 | 0:03:39 | |
rather grander. | 0:03:39 | 0:03:41 | |
My cousin, Lord Ilchester, lived in it. | 0:03:41 | 0:03:45 | |
And his granddaughter, Mab Fox-Strangways, | 0:03:45 | 0:03:50 | |
was one of my early girlfriends. | 0:03:50 | 0:03:53 | |
And I used to go to picnics there as a little boy... | 0:03:53 | 0:03:58 | |
and in Holland Park, which was the garden, for God's sake! | 0:03:58 | 0:04:03 | |
Quite a large garden! It was all in private hands. And I think they had a pheasant shoot there, too. | 0:04:05 | 0:04:12 | |
Lord Ilchester had a high contralto voice - | 0:04:26 | 0:04:30 | |
"Hello, Martin, how are you this evening?" | 0:04:30 | 0:04:33 | |
And his wife, who was my cousin Birdie, | 0:04:33 | 0:04:37 | |
had a bass, a double bass voice, "Hello, Martyn!" | 0:04:37 | 0:04:41 | |
Occasionally got them mixed up, of course. | 0:04:41 | 0:04:45 | |
But they were old-style aristocrats. | 0:04:46 | 0:04:49 | |
Lord Ilchester had lent his house for the coming out ball of Rosalind Cubit, | 0:04:49 | 0:04:56 | |
the mother of Camilla Parker-Bowles, and the granddaughter of Edward VII's mistress, Mrs Keppel. | 0:04:56 | 0:05:02 | |
Unusually for a deb's dance, the royal family was there in full force. | 0:05:03 | 0:05:08 | |
It was a bit awkward, cos if the Queen came into the room, you all had to stand up | 0:05:08 | 0:05:14 | |
when you were sitting out with some delicious young man. | 0:05:14 | 0:05:18 | |
However, she was sweet and said we could sit down again. | 0:05:18 | 0:05:23 | |
But you couldn't leave the room... | 0:05:23 | 0:05:25 | |
I remember the horror of that ball, my first dance... | 0:05:27 | 0:05:31 | |
people queuing... I couldn't find the hostess to say how do you do. | 0:05:31 | 0:05:37 | |
My father danced me round the room once, I was then lost. | 0:05:37 | 0:05:41 | |
And I couldn't see a soul I knew and just found my parents and I said, "I just must go home!" | 0:05:41 | 0:05:48 | |
"I can't bear it, I don't know anybody! | 0:05:48 | 0:05:50 | |
"I can't see anybody! It's horrid, it's a squash!" | 0:05:50 | 0:05:53 | |
Anyway, after that, one went to friends' houses and there were lovely balls and the summer flew by. | 0:05:55 | 0:06:01 | |
I suppose a lot of people were aware that it could be the last. | 0:06:01 | 0:06:06 | |
Holland House was an early casualty of the Blitz. | 0:06:08 | 0:06:12 | |
One wing was saved and is now a youth hostel. The 500-acre estate | 0:06:12 | 0:06:17 | |
has become the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea's largest public park. | 0:06:17 | 0:06:23 | |
# And as long as my heart will beat | 0:06:23 | 0:06:27 | |
# Lover, we'll always meet | 0:06:28 | 0:06:32 | |
# Here in my deep | 0:06:32 | 0:06:36 | |
# Purple dream! # | 0:06:36 | 0:06:40 | |
I think the really beautiful dances | 0:06:40 | 0:06:43 | |
were ones that took place in the country. They were the nicest of all. | 0:06:43 | 0:06:48 | |
We went to a very good one at a place called Dutton Homesall. | 0:06:49 | 0:06:54 | |
It was splendid. There was a suit of armour in the hall | 0:06:54 | 0:06:58 | |
which had a radio inside, which we thought was very dashing! | 0:06:58 | 0:07:03 | |
I had never seen that before! | 0:07:05 | 0:07:08 | |
It was the first time I'd seen someone fully-clothed dive into a swimming pool. | 0:07:08 | 0:07:13 | |
I thought that was... We thought we were seeing life! | 0:07:13 | 0:07:18 | |
# The sun is sinking low behind the hill | 0:07:18 | 0:07:22 | |
# I loved you long ago | 0:07:22 | 0:07:25 | |
# I love you still. # | 0:07:25 | 0:07:28 | |
You'd walk round these lovely gardens... | 0:07:29 | 0:07:32 | |
with nightingales singing and roses growing... | 0:07:32 | 0:07:36 | |
and the music of the dancing in the background. | 0:07:36 | 0:07:40 | |
And especially if you were wildly in love, it was just... | 0:07:40 | 0:07:45 | |
I can't think of anything more romantic. | 0:07:45 | 0:07:48 | |
I wouldn't want anything more romantic. | 0:07:48 | 0:07:51 | |
I found them rather boring, really. | 0:07:51 | 0:07:53 | |
Lots of rather dim young men, or stupid young men, I thought. | 0:07:53 | 0:07:59 | |
Or perhaps it really was that I was rather serious and not much fun. | 0:07:59 | 0:08:03 | |
Debutantes were stamped as having officially come out into British society | 0:08:07 | 0:08:13 | |
by a formal presentation at court. | 0:08:13 | 0:08:16 | |
They had to sit in their cars waiting in The Mall, | 0:08:16 | 0:08:21 | |
while the hoi polloi would come and look at them. | 0:08:21 | 0:08:24 | |
They would peer in and make frightfully rude remarks at you. | 0:08:30 | 0:08:34 | |
"That one's not so good..." This sort of thing. | 0:08:34 | 0:08:38 | |
In 1939, five sessions were needed to process 1,000 debs. | 0:08:38 | 0:08:43 | |
You had to wear Prince of Wales ostrich feathers in your hair, | 0:08:43 | 0:08:48 | |
and curtsy to the king and queen in turn. | 0:08:48 | 0:08:52 | |
There was always this problem with keeping your feathers in your head. | 0:08:52 | 0:08:57 | |
I've got rather bad hair. So it's rather difficult getting them all skewered in! | 0:08:57 | 0:09:03 | |
Looked slightly like circus horses, looking back! | 0:09:03 | 0:09:07 | |
Curtsying to the king and queen. | 0:09:12 | 0:09:15 | |
I couldn't do it now. I'd like to show you, but not since my hip replacement! | 0:09:15 | 0:09:21 | |
I'm tempted to try and say I can still do it, but no! | 0:09:21 | 0:09:25 | |
I could show you! | 0:09:25 | 0:09:28 | |
I remember we used to stand like that. | 0:09:29 | 0:09:32 | |
One foot in front, the other behind, and down you went. | 0:09:32 | 0:09:36 | |
I was glad I'd done it. I enjoyed that. | 0:09:40 | 0:09:44 | |
It was fun going to Buckingham Palace. | 0:09:44 | 0:09:47 | |
And...eh... | 0:09:47 | 0:09:49 | |
It was an archaic idea, really, wasn't it?! | 0:09:51 | 0:09:55 | |
I remember something which was called The Poor. | 0:10:07 | 0:10:11 | |
The poor came down and a huge tent was put up for them, and they came from Bermondsey. | 0:10:11 | 0:10:17 | |
My mother obviously thought she was doing the right thing. | 0:10:17 | 0:10:22 | |
These poor women came down and were given strawberries and cream... | 0:10:22 | 0:10:27 | |
in this lovely garden... It was a very beautiful garden. And it was The Poor. | 0:10:27 | 0:10:32 | |
I suppose we were in a sort of no-man's-land. We considered ourselves poor, | 0:10:32 | 0:10:38 | |
because our relations were much better off. | 0:10:38 | 0:10:42 | |
But when we saw, outside our house in Cambridge Square, barefooted children | 0:10:42 | 0:10:48 | |
and scantily-clad children... | 0:10:48 | 0:10:51 | |
I minded dreadfully. | 0:10:51 | 0:10:54 | |
I realised then that...eh... we weren't... | 0:10:54 | 0:10:58 | |
We weren't poor at all. | 0:10:58 | 0:11:01 | |
After the War, I worked in an orphanage, and that meant a lot to me. | 0:11:02 | 0:11:07 | |
It sort of wiped out at a single stroke | 0:11:07 | 0:11:10 | |
all the things sitting heavily on my conscience. | 0:11:10 | 0:11:14 | |
Of course we were well off. | 0:11:16 | 0:11:18 | |
There were four servants in the house, as we called them. | 0:11:18 | 0:11:22 | |
And...eh...we wanted for nothing. | 0:11:22 | 0:11:25 | |
All the people that looked after you, they were... they were much more like friends. | 0:11:31 | 0:11:38 | |
The nursery maid who became my children's nanny... | 0:11:38 | 0:11:42 | |
she actually died in this flat when she was 86. | 0:11:42 | 0:11:47 | |
She used to go and visit her relations. | 0:11:47 | 0:11:50 | |
I think she really felt more at home in the end, with us, | 0:11:50 | 0:11:55 | |
because she'd spent the whole of her life with us really, you know. | 0:11:55 | 0:11:59 | |
She was a policeman's daughter from Staffordshire | 0:11:59 | 0:12:04 | |
and all her relations were miners. | 0:12:04 | 0:12:07 | |
When my husband first put up for Parliament, he put up against Mr Shrimble. | 0:12:09 | 0:12:14 | |
He had a very big majority against him, 38,000. | 0:12:14 | 0:12:19 | |
And he didn't know a lot about the coalmines. | 0:12:19 | 0:12:23 | |
So he was sent off to one of Nanny's uncles, who gave him a quick week on how mines worked! | 0:12:23 | 0:12:30 | |
Then, when he went down them, they actually thought he knew a great deal about it. | 0:12:30 | 0:12:36 | |
It was very well organised by Mr Gibbs. | 0:12:36 | 0:12:40 | |
Some debs refused to co-operate with the system. | 0:12:41 | 0:12:44 | |
Unity, the fourth of the six Mitford Sisters, found the deb circuit deadly. | 0:12:44 | 0:12:51 | |
Her sister, Jessica, described how she let her pet rat loose at dances | 0:12:51 | 0:12:56 | |
and wrote letters on paper she'd stolen from Buckingham Palace. | 0:12:56 | 0:13:00 | |
Unity soon found spiritual fulfilment in the arms of the Nazi Party. | 0:13:00 | 0:13:05 | |
The Party gave her a flat in Munich. | 0:13:05 | 0:13:08 | |
But when I met Unity... | 0:13:09 | 0:13:12 | |
I'd been at school there doing music and German - | 0:13:13 | 0:13:18 | |
finishing schools, really... | 0:13:18 | 0:13:21 | |
I just loved it there, just as Unity did. | 0:13:21 | 0:13:24 | |
We were Nazis to a T, the whole lot of us, and I'm not ashamed of it. | 0:13:25 | 0:13:30 | |
It was great, great life... | 0:13:30 | 0:13:34 | |
German. | 0:13:34 | 0:13:35 | |
And it was um, Hedy Vine... | 0:13:35 | 0:13:38 | |
She was kind enough to produce a... | 0:13:39 | 0:13:42 | |
..an escort for me. | 0:13:43 | 0:13:46 | |
Well, I mean a member of the SS. | 0:13:48 | 0:13:51 | |
She had one and I had one too, and we went partying together. | 0:13:51 | 0:13:57 | |
What the girls would call clubbing now. | 0:13:57 | 0:14:00 | |
That was the sort of thing we did... | 0:14:00 | 0:14:03 | |
sometimes. | 0:14:03 | 0:14:04 | |
I was quite unashamed then. | 0:14:09 | 0:14:12 | |
Quite unashamed. | 0:14:12 | 0:14:14 | |
You see, for a year, I was right out of it. | 0:14:15 | 0:14:19 | |
Back in England, it was quite, quite different. | 0:14:19 | 0:14:22 | |
I really hadn't realised what was going on and what had been going on. I had no idea. | 0:14:22 | 0:14:28 | |
I always defend Unity about one thing, | 0:14:28 | 0:14:31 | |
which is, I know that she definitely told Hitler that if there was a war, | 0:14:31 | 0:14:37 | |
that the British would fight, | 0:14:37 | 0:14:40 | |
when people were saying they wouldn't. | 0:14:40 | 0:14:43 | |
She also said she'd shoot herself if there was a war, and she did. Only she missed. | 0:14:43 | 0:14:49 | |
'Though reported to be wounded, | 0:14:49 | 0:14:52 | |
'Miss Mitford got home safely, Hitler having placed no obstacle in the way of her return. | 0:14:52 | 0:14:58 | |
'Her parents saw her safely in and accompanied her to their home at High Wycombe. | 0:14:58 | 0:15:05 | |
'Here, her sister, Deborah, was waiting.' | 0:15:05 | 0:15:09 | |
I've never been embarrassed by my sisters at all. | 0:15:09 | 0:15:13 | |
They all had their own lives, | 0:15:13 | 0:15:16 | |
and I suppose I was entirely taken up with mine. | 0:15:16 | 0:15:20 | |
I've always been terribly fond of them. Never had any differences with them. | 0:15:20 | 0:15:25 | |
I think people took people as they found them | 0:15:25 | 0:15:30 | |
and there was room for a bit of eccentricity. | 0:15:30 | 0:15:33 | |
Now everybody seems to be like peas in a pod, they've all got to be exactly alike. | 0:15:33 | 0:15:40 | |
-What do you think? -Yes. Yes. | 0:15:40 | 0:15:43 | |
My friends weren't the least bit interested in politics. | 0:15:43 | 0:15:47 | |
They knew there would be a war and they'd go to the war and everything, | 0:15:47 | 0:15:53 | |
but that was nothing to do with daily life. | 0:15:53 | 0:15:56 | |
-Mine was very different. -Yours... -My father was in the House Of Commons | 0:15:56 | 0:16:01 | |
and we were tremendously politically-minded. | 0:16:01 | 0:16:05 | |
One wasn't really aware | 0:16:07 | 0:16:10 | |
of the undercurrents that were going on, I think, most of the time. | 0:16:10 | 0:16:15 | |
I was taken by my parents to Italy | 0:16:15 | 0:16:18 | |
and learnt quite a bit of Italian and saw wonderful pictures. | 0:16:18 | 0:16:23 | |
In Italy one saw Hitler and Mussolini meet. | 0:16:27 | 0:16:30 | |
And they were two unattractive little stout, square men, | 0:16:30 | 0:16:36 | |
striding towards each other! | 0:16:36 | 0:16:39 | |
They just looked like joke people. | 0:16:41 | 0:16:43 | |
In March, 1939, Hitler invaded Czechoslovakia, violating the pact he'd made | 0:16:46 | 0:16:52 | |
the previous year in Munich. Neville Chamberlain's Policy of Appeasement had failed. | 0:16:52 | 0:16:58 | |
Munich was really in many ways more important than the outbreak of War. | 0:16:58 | 0:17:03 | |
Without the shame of Munich - and it was a shameful episode, | 0:17:03 | 0:17:08 | |
I don't think this country would have gone to war again so soon after the slaughter of 1914-18. | 0:17:08 | 0:17:15 | |
Munich was like taking the safety-catch off a sporting gun. | 0:17:15 | 0:17:20 | |
-We were all aware, any thinking person knew, a war was inevitable... -..By 1939. Because I really do think | 0:17:32 | 0:17:39 | |
it was a kind of frenzy. You absolutely knew | 0:17:39 | 0:17:43 | |
it was the end of life as you knew it. | 0:17:43 | 0:17:46 | |
-"So, tomorrow, who cares?" it was a question of, don't you think? -Yes. | 0:17:46 | 0:17:51 | |
But I suppose people are always wild when they're young. Awfully depressing if they weren't. | 0:17:51 | 0:17:57 | |
I found a letter from my mother to one of my sisters, saying, "Two boys are going | 0:17:57 | 0:18:03 | |
"to the cottage at Swimbrook - Andrew Cavendish and a friend. I hope they won't break it up"! | 0:18:03 | 0:18:10 | |
Dear Andrew. | 0:18:10 | 0:18:12 | |
I can't say he wasn't wild. | 0:18:12 | 0:18:15 | |
He was always...unwashed. | 0:18:17 | 0:18:20 | |
He and the Cecils were related. | 0:18:21 | 0:18:24 | |
And the Cecils... were always covered in ink... | 0:18:24 | 0:18:29 | |
..and marmalade and stuff, and didn't give a damn what they wore. | 0:18:31 | 0:18:36 | |
And Andrew was a little bit like that. | 0:18:36 | 0:18:39 | |
He smartened up as he got older! | 0:18:39 | 0:18:42 | |
Oh, he was lovely! Great friend. | 0:18:44 | 0:18:48 | |
Martyn and I's life has gone very much in tandem. | 0:18:48 | 0:18:53 | |
We had the same governess when we were seven and eight. | 0:18:53 | 0:18:57 | |
We had the same private school. | 0:18:57 | 0:19:00 | |
Same house at Eton. Same college at Cambridge. | 0:19:00 | 0:19:04 | |
And until the Coldstream debacle, we would have had the same regiment! | 0:19:04 | 0:19:10 | |
There was a ball going on in London, | 0:19:10 | 0:19:12 | |
which curiously enough was my future wife's coming out ball. | 0:19:12 | 0:19:18 | |
And funnily enough, I sat next to her at dinner. | 0:19:18 | 0:19:22 | |
And then I had to set off at 3am to the Coldstream Guards Battalion, | 0:19:22 | 0:19:27 | |
which were having an exercise near Southampton. | 0:19:27 | 0:19:31 | |
And I was driving with a friend of mine called Howard, reading the map. | 0:19:31 | 0:19:36 | |
And he lost the way, silly arse! | 0:19:36 | 0:19:40 | |
And so we arrived 10 minutes late, | 0:19:40 | 0:19:44 | |
with the whole battalion | 0:19:44 | 0:19:46 | |
out there surrounding the Commanding Officer, | 0:19:46 | 0:19:51 | |
who was reading out the notes on the exercise. | 0:19:51 | 0:19:55 | |
And this little sports car rolls up in a cloud of dust | 0:19:55 | 0:19:59 | |
and two dishevelled officers get out 10 minutes late. | 0:19:59 | 0:20:05 | |
And, of course, it was one of the most awful moments of my life, | 0:20:05 | 0:20:10 | |
walking up this little hill, saluting, | 0:20:10 | 0:20:13 | |
and knowing that I'd had it! | 0:20:13 | 0:20:16 | |
And indeed I had. | 0:20:16 | 0:20:19 | |
I got a letter from the King, George VI, | 0:20:19 | 0:20:22 | |
saying, "You will resign your Commission from my Coldstream Guards." | 0:20:22 | 0:20:28 | |
So that was that! | 0:20:28 | 0:20:31 | |
In the end, I had a go at the Welsh Guards, | 0:20:31 | 0:20:36 | |
Great fun. | 0:20:36 | 0:20:38 | |
I was burning the candle at both ends. Lord, yes. | 0:20:53 | 0:20:57 | |
I'd been to a party the night before and got back to Windsor rather late. | 0:20:58 | 0:21:04 | |
Very late. | 0:21:04 | 0:21:06 | |
And just had time to change into uniform | 0:21:06 | 0:21:10 | |
and go and supervise the recruits' physical training. | 0:21:10 | 0:21:14 | |
And my future brother-in-law was there. | 0:21:14 | 0:21:17 | |
And I remember I sat on one of those horses you have in a gym... | 0:21:17 | 0:21:22 | |
and practically went to sleep. | 0:21:22 | 0:21:24 | |
He came up and he said, "For God's sake, wake up and get the lipstick off your face!" | 0:21:24 | 0:21:31 | |
But, you know, quite hard work it was, but I was young then! | 0:21:31 | 0:21:36 | |
There were a tremendous number of parties. | 0:21:36 | 0:21:39 | |
There was a dance called The Big Apple. | 0:21:39 | 0:21:43 | |
-The Big Apple. -The Big Apple was certainly one. -God knows how it went. I can't remember now. | 0:21:43 | 0:21:49 | |
-You danced like this, didn't you? -I think it was one of the first ones when you danced alone. -Yes. | 0:21:49 | 0:21:55 | |
-Usual nowadays. -It was very unusual then. -People clung together. | 0:21:55 | 0:22:00 | |
'The Big Apple is a round square dance. | 0:22:01 | 0:22:04 | |
'It consists of trucking... | 0:22:04 | 0:22:06 | |
'Suzy Q, Charleston and shake.' | 0:22:06 | 0:22:09 | |
In those days, you called them, young men in those days, chaps. | 0:22:10 | 0:22:15 | |
You tried to stir them up and get them going. | 0:22:15 | 0:22:19 | |
Some were very monosyllabic and you got rather bored. | 0:22:19 | 0:22:24 | |
"What have you been reading?" you'd say. And then you'd get a grunt! | 0:22:24 | 0:22:30 | |
So nobody seemed to help themselves very much! | 0:22:30 | 0:22:33 | |
The Alphabet Game, do you know about that? That was rather amusing. | 0:22:33 | 0:22:38 | |
You started with apples, | 0:22:38 | 0:22:41 | |
and then if that didn't answer, you went on to, I don't know, bramble jelly... | 0:22:41 | 0:22:46 | |
and then you went to C, cats. | 0:22:46 | 0:22:49 | |
I once got to R with somebody. | 0:22:49 | 0:22:51 | |
I thought, "This is desperate." | 0:22:51 | 0:22:54 | |
I saw the end of the alphabet coming... and then what? Z was a bad one. | 0:22:54 | 0:23:00 | |
And then I found out that what he was interested in was Roman London. | 0:23:00 | 0:23:05 | |
I was, what, 19 at the time. | 0:23:05 | 0:23:07 | |
This was the beginning of the War. I still get postcards, and he's 90 now! | 0:23:07 | 0:23:13 | |
# In my heart | 0:23:13 | 0:23:16 | |
# A glowing ember will remain | 0:23:16 | 0:23:21 | |
# As I sigh at summer's end. # | 0:23:21 | 0:23:27 | |
I found that I was too nervous to eat the delicious meals that were served. | 0:23:27 | 0:23:33 | |
Some people could guzzle them down, with better nerves than me. But at the time... | 0:23:33 | 0:23:39 | |
I hadn't made friends with the whisky bottle, | 0:23:39 | 0:23:43 | |
which, in my old age, I find an ally which never lets me down. | 0:23:43 | 0:23:48 | |
I had to wait a long time for that happy relationship! | 0:23:48 | 0:23:54 | |
A touch of transcontinental allure | 0:23:54 | 0:23:57 | |
was added to the English season | 0:23:57 | 0:24:00 | |
by Joe Kennedy, the American Ambassador, and his family. | 0:24:00 | 0:24:05 | |
-They were wonderful. -They were very much centre stage. | 0:24:05 | 0:24:09 | |
They lived round the corner from us in Princess Gate. | 0:24:09 | 0:24:13 | |
-Kik, who married Andrew's brother, and us, were great, great friends. -Great friends. | 0:24:13 | 0:24:18 | |
Kathleen "Kik" Kennedy met the Duke of Devonshire's eldest son, Billy, at a Buckingham Palace Garden Party. | 0:24:18 | 0:24:24 | |
When they married, she was set to become the next Duchess of Devonshire. | 0:24:24 | 0:24:29 | |
But four months later, Billy was killed in action on the Belgian border. | 0:24:29 | 0:24:35 | |
Kik herself died in a plane crash after the War. | 0:24:35 | 0:24:39 | |
And then these two immensely handsome boys... | 0:24:40 | 0:24:43 | |
-Joe was heroically killed flying his regimental aircraft... -Incredibly good-looking. | 0:24:43 | 0:24:49 | |
..And Jack who became President. My mother-in-law made this extraordinary remark. | 0:24:49 | 0:24:55 | |
She saw him at a dance and said, "That young man might well be President of the United States." | 0:24:55 | 0:25:01 | |
It was queer, wasn't it? | 0:25:01 | 0:25:04 | |
They were so nice-looking, and so jolly and so friendly. Not like stuck-up English people! | 0:25:04 | 0:25:10 | |
-Everybody loved them, didn't they? -Everybody. | 0:25:10 | 0:25:14 | |
-Especially Kik. She had more go about her than anybody, don't you think? -Vitality. | 0:25:14 | 0:25:20 | |
Than anybody I've ever met probably, except Jack. | 0:25:20 | 0:25:24 | |
-Ali Khan was a bit older, wasn't he? -Who? -Ali Khan. | 0:25:24 | 0:25:28 | |
But he wasn't President of America! | 0:25:28 | 0:25:31 | |
-But he became a great feature later on. -He was quite a feature. | 0:25:31 | 0:25:35 | |
-Who was he married to, Joan? -Joan, at the time. | 0:25:35 | 0:25:39 | |
And then he married beautiful Rita Hayworth. The most beautiful woman I've ever seen. | 0:25:39 | 0:25:45 | |
She had charisma. But I suppose Jack, of all the people we've ever known, had the most. | 0:25:45 | 0:25:50 | |
-And Sir Winston. -Winston? -Yes. | 0:25:50 | 0:25:53 | |
-Charisma? -Yes. -Do you think? -Oh, certainly, yes. -Oh! | 0:25:53 | 0:25:57 | |
-Lester Piggott. -Oh, no. | 0:25:57 | 0:26:00 | |
-He's got charisma. -No, he hasn't! -He has! -No! -He does have! | 0:26:00 | 0:26:04 | |
Uncle Harold, in a sort of way, did. | 0:26:04 | 0:26:07 | |
-He had style, not quite the same as charisma. -That's right. | 0:26:07 | 0:26:12 | |
-He certainly had style. -He was beautiful to look at. | 0:26:12 | 0:26:16 | |
And Elvis, of course. I never met him. | 0:26:16 | 0:26:19 | |
-Your hero. -Yes. -Don't you think it's better not to have met him? | 0:26:19 | 0:26:24 | |
That's what I wonder, is it better, perhaps? | 0:26:24 | 0:26:27 | |
We used to divide people always, you know, that dance with you. | 0:26:35 | 0:26:40 | |
There were good dancers and moderate dancers. | 0:26:40 | 0:26:44 | |
I was amused by how different the way people danced were. | 0:26:44 | 0:26:48 | |
Some handed you round like a plate. | 0:26:48 | 0:26:51 | |
And other ones danced, sort of, very jiggy, | 0:26:51 | 0:26:54 | |
and you never knew whether to jig too, or try and, what I call, clamp them to the floor. | 0:26:54 | 0:27:00 | |
My brother-in-law once told me that he counted 17 shoulder straps | 0:27:00 | 0:27:05 | |
on a girl he was made to dance with. | 0:27:05 | 0:27:08 | |
I couldn't think why it was an odd number, because you'd think it wouldn't be an odd number. | 0:27:08 | 0:27:14 | |
But he said there was 17! I don't know what she was wearing underneath that dress! | 0:27:14 | 0:27:20 | |
Nowadays they don't bother to have shoulder straps, do they? They just have shoulders. | 0:27:20 | 0:27:26 | |
Men wore white gloves, I'm glad to say. | 0:27:26 | 0:27:30 | |
It was very nice that they wore gloves. | 0:27:30 | 0:27:33 | |
Because then your dress didn't get stained behind with the sweat from the hand. | 0:27:33 | 0:27:40 | |
I reckoned that I was quite a good waltzer. | 0:27:43 | 0:27:47 | |
I used to enjoy waltzing. | 0:27:47 | 0:27:51 | |
I rather fancied myself, I must admit. But I think people were much better at it than they are now. | 0:27:51 | 0:27:58 | |
I don't see the point of dancing when you stand about 6-foot away from whoever you're dancing with. | 0:27:58 | 0:28:05 | |
The whole idea was to get a hold of the girl, put your arm round her and dance properly. | 0:28:05 | 0:28:12 | |
All the chaperones, of course, were sitting around the room, | 0:28:12 | 0:28:16 | |
you know, eyeing one, watching to see that you behaved yourself. | 0:28:16 | 0:28:20 | |
They'd raise their lorgnettes, and look and see what you were up to! | 0:28:20 | 0:28:25 | |
No, no! Took more than that to put me off! | 0:28:27 | 0:28:31 | |
One had to be chaperoned. | 0:28:41 | 0:28:43 | |
My mother had to come with me every night to every dance. | 0:28:45 | 0:28:50 | |
And, of course, she met all her old girlfriends. | 0:28:50 | 0:28:54 | |
And she would sit on her little gilt chair and gossip. | 0:28:54 | 0:28:59 | |
Very occasionally, the odd father would turn up. | 0:29:00 | 0:29:04 | |
And that was absolutely lovely. They were all thrilled - some boyfriend of 50 years ago! | 0:29:04 | 0:29:10 | |
Well, my mother, I was the sixth daughter, sixth girl, so she'd done it six times when I was growing up. | 0:29:10 | 0:29:17 | |
And she used to look longingly at her bed which was ready to get into, | 0:29:17 | 0:29:23 | |
having had a boiled egg or something at 7.30, and had to change into an evening dress and come to the dance. | 0:29:23 | 0:29:30 | |
But can you imagine doing that night after night? | 0:29:30 | 0:29:34 | |
And then they used to stay until the girl wanted to go home. | 0:29:34 | 0:29:38 | |
And sometimes if she was enjoying herself, it was about three in the morning. | 0:29:38 | 0:29:45 | |
The old dowagers... Actually, they were young! We thought they were as old as God's governess! | 0:29:45 | 0:29:52 | |
But they were very young. It must have been terribly boring to sit on the bench. | 0:29:52 | 0:29:58 | |
But they were very good, they did. And we were on pain of death - we were not to go to a nightclub. | 0:29:58 | 0:30:05 | |
But, of course, I did. That was half the fun! | 0:30:05 | 0:30:08 | |
Doing something you're not allowed is MUCH better than being a good little girl! | 0:30:08 | 0:30:13 | |
Oh, terribly risque, terribly dangerous, awfully naughty! | 0:30:21 | 0:30:25 | |
What one did was one was, one made an assignation with a chap. | 0:30:25 | 0:30:30 | |
And one went home rigorously, either with one's mother or something. | 0:30:30 | 0:30:36 | |
If my mother had gone home before me, I had to put my shoes inside her door so she'd know I was home. | 0:30:36 | 0:30:43 | |
So I would creep upstairs, put my shoes inside her bedroom door, change into something less formal, | 0:30:43 | 0:30:50 | |
and meanwhile, the chap would be waiting two or three doors down, and one would sneak out quietly! | 0:30:50 | 0:30:56 | |
There was a taxi parked further down the road. I thought, "Where is HE?" | 0:30:56 | 0:31:01 | |
Then I saw this lid wobbling and Ian crouching underneath it! | 0:31:01 | 0:31:06 | |
Luckily, my mother hadn't seen, she was so keen, poor darling, to go to bed! | 0:31:06 | 0:31:11 | |
One time, my mother left me in Sarah Churchill's mother's hands. | 0:31:16 | 0:31:22 | |
She was a very fierce character. I slipped away... | 0:31:22 | 0:31:27 | |
and when I came back... there were these long stairs... | 0:31:27 | 0:31:32 | |
I think it was Londonderry House... ..long stairs to walk up...and there she was, standing at the top. | 0:31:32 | 0:31:38 | |
"Elizabeth, where have you been?" | 0:31:38 | 0:31:41 | |
"I've been to the 400, terribly sorry, please don't tell Mummy!" | 0:31:41 | 0:31:46 | |
"I won't if you promise not to do it again." "Yes, I promise." | 0:31:48 | 0:31:53 | |
I don't think promises held out very much! | 0:31:53 | 0:31:57 | |
Sarah always remained one of my greatest friends. | 0:32:00 | 0:32:04 | |
She's marvellous fun. She's very, very tall and full of life. Never drew breath. | 0:32:04 | 0:32:10 | |
And didn't seem to be shy like me so she was a great friend to have. She would do the talking. | 0:32:10 | 0:32:17 | |
If she was here now, she would do the talking! | 0:32:17 | 0:32:21 | |
And then, poor woman, she had the most horrible end a year ago. | 0:32:23 | 0:32:28 | |
They thought she had cancer. | 0:32:28 | 0:32:30 | |
When they operated, they cut through the artery and they couldn't stop the bleeding. | 0:32:30 | 0:32:36 | |
And she died on the operating table. Most awful story. In New York. | 0:32:36 | 0:32:41 | |
Think of it. | 0:32:41 | 0:32:43 | |
They cut into an artery | 0:32:43 | 0:32:46 | |
and they could not stop the bleeding. | 0:32:46 | 0:32:49 | |
Sarah had this wonderful dance at Blenheim. | 0:32:52 | 0:32:56 | |
That was just out of this world. It was magic. | 0:32:56 | 0:33:00 | |
You know, all the friends one has ever met were there. | 0:33:00 | 0:33:04 | |
That was all great fun. | 0:33:04 | 0:33:07 | |
This was all, of course, just before the War. | 0:33:16 | 0:33:19 | |
We had all this...and then the War. | 0:33:19 | 0:33:22 | |
Finish. | 0:33:22 | 0:33:24 | |
We were gathered in front of the wireless - I can remember that very vividly. | 0:33:25 | 0:33:32 | |
And couldn't believe, until Neville Chamberlain actually said... | 0:33:32 | 0:33:37 | |
war had been declared. One couldn't believe that such a dreadful thing should happen. | 0:33:38 | 0:33:45 | |
One really thought it would be the end of the world. | 0:33:45 | 0:33:50 | |
But the one marvellous thing was that nobody ever conceived it possible that we were going to lose. | 0:33:50 | 0:33:56 | |
-It was quite astonishing how normal life went on. -Yes, astonishing. -We got married on April 19th, 1941, | 0:33:56 | 0:34:04 | |
height of the Blitz. | 0:34:04 | 0:34:07 | |
I should be terrified now. | 0:34:07 | 0:34:10 | |
-But we were young. -It's different. -Quite different. | 0:34:10 | 0:34:13 | |
It was very exciting. We used to go to nightclubs at that time because he was still in London. | 0:34:13 | 0:34:20 | |
I was here until November '43, | 0:34:20 | 0:34:23 | |
then, rather belatedly, I went to Italy where I had an absolutely marvellous time. | 0:34:23 | 0:34:29 | |
Oh, dear! | 0:34:32 | 0:34:34 | |
One moment, I was being so lucky and spoilt and drinking champagne, | 0:34:42 | 0:34:47 | |
and the next I was working in a factory in Cricklewood, | 0:34:47 | 0:34:52 | |
helping to make a bomber called a Halifax, which had four engines and was very splendid. | 0:34:52 | 0:34:58 | |
But that was 7.30 in the morning till 6.30 in the evening and it was hard physical labour the whole time. | 0:34:58 | 0:35:04 | |
It WAS work. | 0:35:04 | 0:35:06 | |
I found myself very ostracised. | 0:35:20 | 0:35:23 | |
And one of the girls said to me, in a moment of frankness, "Why do you talk in that silly way?" | 0:35:25 | 0:35:32 | |
When I explained to her that I wasn't putting it on, | 0:35:33 | 0:35:38 | |
it just happened to be the way my family talked, after that they were fine. | 0:35:38 | 0:35:44 | |
It taught me what work really is. | 0:35:46 | 0:35:49 | |
And that, I feel, is a good thing in one's life. | 0:35:50 | 0:35:53 | |
I think that the deb period was fairytale. | 0:35:57 | 0:36:00 | |
It was lovely, it was magical. And I suppose all magical things come to an end, really. | 0:36:00 | 0:36:06 | |
But the great thing about the factory in Cricklewood where I worked | 0:36:09 | 0:36:14 | |
was that it had a direct line underground to... | 0:36:14 | 0:36:18 | |
Is it still called Green Park? That tube station just outside The Ritz? | 0:36:18 | 0:36:23 | |
We'd rush out of the factory, jump on the underground and half an hour later we'd be in the Ritz Bar! | 0:36:23 | 0:36:30 | |
And nobody minded that we were still in our terrible old dungaree working clothes. | 0:36:30 | 0:36:36 | |
I say, speaking of lovely women! | 0:36:37 | 0:36:40 | |
I was a mechanic. I was given a series of huge books, | 0:36:42 | 0:36:46 | |
told to go home, read them, | 0:36:46 | 0:36:49 | |
come back the next day and take charge of the electrical bench. | 0:36:49 | 0:36:56 | |
I was 18, and had underneath me | 0:36:57 | 0:37:00 | |
two boys and a girl, aged 15 and 16, who wanted just to send me up rotten. | 0:37:00 | 0:37:06 | |
So I had to - I HAD to succeed to stop them knowing how little I knew. | 0:37:06 | 0:37:13 | |
It was in a garage mending jeeps, Chevs, lorries and things that came back from the Front. | 0:37:13 | 0:37:20 | |
My particular thing was the electrical parts of carburettors, the starting motors. | 0:37:20 | 0:37:27 | |
It was underground in Shepherd's Market. | 0:37:27 | 0:37:30 | |
Particularly on the night shift, it was unbelievable stuffy. Really was horrible. | 0:37:30 | 0:37:37 | |
So these two great friends of mine... | 0:37:37 | 0:37:41 | |
Vie and Edie they were called, | 0:37:41 | 0:37:44 | |
used to go out for a stroll, just to sort of get some air into our lungs. | 0:37:44 | 0:37:49 | |
And the only place to stroll was down Piccadilly, | 0:37:49 | 0:37:53 | |
which was quite an interesting stroll at one o'clock in the morning sometimes! | 0:37:53 | 0:37:59 | |
There were the ladies of the night proffering their... whatever they proffer. | 0:37:59 | 0:38:04 | |
And we got to know them very well, actually. | 0:38:04 | 0:38:08 | |
We were all very jolly together. It was extraordinary. | 0:38:08 | 0:38:13 | |
Extraordinary, really. | 0:38:15 | 0:38:17 | |
I had to wait till... | 0:38:24 | 0:38:27 | |
March '42... | 0:38:27 | 0:38:30 | |
to be called up for the Wrens as Wren Scott. | 0:38:30 | 0:38:34 | |
I did four trips, New York, Boston | 0:38:34 | 0:38:37 | |
and two to Halifax, | 0:38:37 | 0:38:40 | |
bringing back about 8,000 troops each time. | 0:38:40 | 0:38:43 | |
My brother was in the Navy, and on one of these trips | 0:38:45 | 0:38:50 | |
came signals from my brother's escort group. | 0:38:50 | 0:38:54 | |
One saying, "Have spotted U-Boat." | 0:38:54 | 0:38:57 | |
Next one saying, "Am about to fire." | 0:38:57 | 0:39:00 | |
And a French signal saying, "Have sunk U-Boat." | 0:39:00 | 0:39:04 | |
I longed to go round saying, # My brother sank a U-Boat! # | 0:39:04 | 0:39:09 | |
But, of course, because of secrecy, I didn't like to. | 0:39:09 | 0:39:14 | |
Then one day the Signal Officer came to see me and said "Oh, Scott, we're going to send you to Australia." | 0:39:15 | 0:39:22 | |
"Australia?! | 0:39:23 | 0:39:25 | |
"Why Australia? It's far too far away." | 0:39:25 | 0:39:28 | |
But there it was. | 0:39:30 | 0:39:33 | |
I loved every minute of it, having thought I'd hate it. | 0:39:33 | 0:39:38 | |
This is all on top of having been | 0:39:38 | 0:39:41 | |
a quiet little debutante in 1939! | 0:39:41 | 0:39:44 | |
So many things opened with war... | 0:39:48 | 0:39:50 | |
that there was no time to think of an ordinary life. | 0:39:50 | 0:39:55 | |
So an ordinary life never sort of came my way... | 0:39:55 | 0:39:59 | |
until I married really. | 0:39:59 | 0:40:02 | |
'The wedding of the Duke of Northumberland | 0:40:02 | 0:40:06 | |
'and Lady Elizabeth Montague Douglas Scott | 0:40:06 | 0:40:10 | |
'was the first big society wedding at the Abbey since the War ended.' | 0:40:10 | 0:40:16 | |
After the War, things didn't seem to have changed much. | 0:40:20 | 0:40:24 | |
And being of a somewhat... | 0:40:24 | 0:40:27 | |
Leftish frame of mind... very slight, may I say... | 0:40:27 | 0:40:32 | |
we hoped that it would all sort of calm down and be much more... | 0:40:32 | 0:40:37 | |
..ordinary for everybody, I suppose. | 0:40:38 | 0:40:41 | |
Surely we couldn't have these awful class distinctions for ever and ever, you know. | 0:40:41 | 0:40:47 | |
But, no. Before you knew where you were, people were climbing into long dresses again. | 0:40:47 | 0:40:54 | |
But I didn't...eh... | 0:40:54 | 0:40:56 | |
fancy that sort of a high-powered life, really. | 0:40:56 | 0:41:01 | |
Fairly soon after that, I met Jack. | 0:41:01 | 0:41:04 | |
I came back after the War, very left wing... | 0:41:05 | 0:41:09 | |
decided to go to Veterinary College. | 0:41:09 | 0:41:13 | |
And my sister was married to her brother. | 0:41:13 | 0:41:17 | |
Didn't think her little brother could possibly look after himself in London, | 0:41:17 | 0:41:22 | |
so she asked her sister-in-law to keep an eye on me, which she did. | 0:41:22 | 0:41:26 | |
-I didn't think anything very much would... -We weren't interested in each other. | 0:41:26 | 0:41:32 | |
We both thought we were rather dull and serious people! Then we decided to go... | 0:41:32 | 0:41:38 | |
for a bicycle ride along a tow path. | 0:41:38 | 0:41:41 | |
Suddenly we were poring over an ordinance survey map, | 0:41:41 | 0:41:46 | |
and suddenly, it was as if somebody had hit me over the head. | 0:41:46 | 0:41:51 | |
I realised there was only one thing in life - | 0:41:51 | 0:41:54 | |
I couldn't go on without this lovely girl to go through life with me. | 0:41:54 | 0:41:59 | |
The difficulty was to persuade her! | 0:41:59 | 0:42:02 | |
And I reckon I proposed under most of the trees in Hyde Park. | 0:42:04 | 0:42:09 | |
And, eventually... | 0:42:09 | 0:42:12 | |
just as the snowdrops were breaking through from their sleep, she accepted me. | 0:42:12 | 0:42:18 | |
And I've lived happily ever after! | 0:42:18 | 0:42:20 | |
-In a nutshell! -Yes! | 0:42:20 | 0:42:24 | |
And then, oh, I had various pangs because I couldn't think that | 0:42:26 | 0:42:32 | |
I could possibly bring a lovely person like this | 0:42:32 | 0:42:36 | |
into a veterinary assistant's house, one up, one down, | 0:42:36 | 0:42:41 | |
smelling of tom cat! | 0:42:41 | 0:42:44 | |
I was much happier marrying someone who was working with real people in the real world. | 0:42:45 | 0:42:51 | |
And he was much the nicest that I had met. | 0:42:51 | 0:42:54 | |
Early on in my coming out year, | 0:42:59 | 0:43:02 | |
I met, I thought, the most wonderful person in the world and fell wildly in love with him. | 0:43:02 | 0:43:09 | |
And he quite liked me too. | 0:43:09 | 0:43:13 | |
He was the handsomest man in England, that is without a shadow of a doubt. | 0:43:13 | 0:43:18 | |
He was very clever and funny. | 0:43:18 | 0:43:21 | |
And in the old-fashioned meaning of the word, gay, you know, full of jokes and fun. | 0:43:23 | 0:43:30 | |
And we were all so well brought up then, and so, you know, it was... What a waste of time! | 0:43:31 | 0:43:38 | |
When the War started, he went off the whole idea! | 0:43:40 | 0:43:44 | |
Oh, but look. I think I have it on. Let me turn my pearls round. | 0:43:46 | 0:43:51 | |
Does it have a little blue clasp? Have a look. | 0:43:51 | 0:43:55 | |
A little...? It does? | 0:43:55 | 0:43:58 | |
That was my engagement ring to the sailor, and he let me keep it. | 0:43:58 | 0:44:04 | |
And anyway...he's dead. | 0:44:04 | 0:44:08 | |
I mean they always say that the one person a woman always remembers is the first person she makes love to. | 0:44:08 | 0:44:15 | |
I don't think that's necessarily so. I think the first person one LOVES is much more important. | 0:44:15 | 0:44:21 | |
Priscilla, my wife, when I first saw her, actually, she was at a deb ball and she was whirling around - | 0:44:28 | 0:44:35 | |
she was a frightfully good waltzer - | 0:44:35 | 0:44:38 | |
with a man who subsequently became an ambassador, called Sir John Beethe. | 0:44:38 | 0:44:45 | |
And he often told me when she died, | 0:44:45 | 0:44:47 | |
he said "I wanted to marry your wife, but you were in the way!" | 0:44:47 | 0:44:52 | |
Anyway, she was dancing with him, waltzing around in white. I picked her out at once. | 0:44:52 | 0:44:59 | |
I said to my friend Howard, "Who's that?", and he said, "Oh, she's Priscilla Brett. | 0:44:59 | 0:45:06 | |
"She comes from a very eccentric family!" And despite our disparate natures and characters, | 0:45:06 | 0:45:14 | |
we got on like a house on fire for 58 years. A long time. | 0:45:14 | 0:45:19 | |
And she died... | 0:45:21 | 0:45:24 | |
..on the 2nd of January, 2000. | 0:45:25 | 0:45:28 | |
She just got into the millennium. | 0:45:28 | 0:45:32 | |
And then she died that morning at 2.00am. | 0:45:32 | 0:45:35 | |
I shall always miss her. | 0:45:35 | 0:45:38 | |
There has been no-one else like her who... | 0:45:39 | 0:45:44 | |
She was out on her own. | 0:45:44 | 0:45:47 | |
Mm-hm. | 0:45:47 | 0:45:48 | |
And...eh... | 0:45:50 | 0:45:52 | |
I've survived her a year so far. | 0:45:52 | 0:45:55 | |
I have quite a social life, actually, with my friends, | 0:45:55 | 0:46:00 | |
and I'm constantly occupied. | 0:46:00 | 0:46:03 | |
And I'm very, very lucky. | 0:46:03 | 0:46:06 | |
Lucky with everything - birth, childhood, army - got through unscathed, and then marriage. | 0:46:08 | 0:46:16 | |
And architecture, for heaven's sake, we haven't spoken about that. | 0:46:16 | 0:46:21 | |
Charles died about 10 or 11 years ago now. | 0:46:27 | 0:46:31 | |
I hate being alone. | 0:46:31 | 0:46:34 | |
They say, "Grow old gracefully." It's extremely difficult. | 0:46:35 | 0:46:40 | |
You're deaf as a haddock, you're batty, you forget everything! | 0:46:40 | 0:46:45 | |
It's, "What did you say?" | 0:46:45 | 0:46:48 | |
I lost touch with all the people that I'd known in '39 - | 0:46:49 | 0:46:54 | |
most of them - and picked up only with a few. | 0:46:54 | 0:46:59 | |
Oh, little Jack Younger, he was one at my dance, looking like a little pink penguin. | 0:46:59 | 0:47:05 | |
He's one of my oldest friends. We ring each other up at intervals | 0:47:05 | 0:47:10 | |
and discuss euthanasia and suitable subjects like that! | 0:47:10 | 0:47:15 | |
"How are you today?" "Bloody awful!" | 0:47:17 | 0:47:20 | |
It was unique. | 0:47:22 | 0:47:25 | |
It'll never come again. So it's a lovely memory. | 0:47:25 | 0:47:29 | |
I think I enjoyed it... I wonder if other people do... | 0:47:29 | 0:47:33 | |
..more in retrospect than I did at the time. | 0:47:33 | 0:47:36 | |
It was like living in inverted commas, really. | 0:47:36 | 0:47:41 | |
So much happened so quickly - coming out, the War, the job... | 0:47:41 | 0:47:46 | |
getting married... | 0:47:46 | 0:47:48 | |
It's really lovely in old age... | 0:47:48 | 0:47:51 | |
having tied up all your loose ends. | 0:47:51 | 0:47:54 | |
When one's past and one's present sort of... | 0:47:54 | 0:47:58 | |
sort of merge together... | 0:47:58 | 0:48:01 | |
it's an enormously happy time. Perhaps the happiest of all. | 0:48:01 | 0:48:05 | |
# When the deep purple falls | 0:48:05 | 0:48:12 | |
# Over sleepy garden walls | 0:48:12 | 0:48:15 | |
# And the stars begin to flicker in the sky | 0:48:15 | 0:48:23 | |
# Through the mist of a memory | 0:48:23 | 0:48:28 | |
# You wander back to me | 0:48:29 | 0:48:33 | |
# Breathing my name with a sigh... # | 0:48:33 | 0:48:39 |