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I don't think they were very innocent, really honestly. And some of them certainly were not.

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NSIT, Not Safe In Taxis.

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In other words, don't be left alone with him, whatever you do.

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MTF - Must Touch Flesh. That was one of the dirty old creeps that pinched your bottom.

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There was that magic bit between the top of your stockings and the bottom of your...

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Your knickers had strong elastic, you know. Well, they did, you'll have to believe me!

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And there was something like two inches of bare, bare skin.

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And that's the most wicked thing.

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I was so ignorant, that I would sit bolt upright on the edge of my seat in case somebody kissed me.

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Because I thought if he kissed me, I might have a baby. I was 17!

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Think of nowadays!

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I think romance has gone out of the window.

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-It's "Your place or mine?" now.

-Yes, it doesn't exist any more.

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The annual Debutante Season

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was designed to introduce the new crop of society girls into the upper class marriage market.

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In 1939, with war approaching, the season carried on as usual.

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One of the highlights was Queen Charlotte's Ball.

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It was a joke. It really was a joke.

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Curtsying to a cake!

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But it was one of those things that,

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as the Americans would say, you ticked off.

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You did it unquestioningly.

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Elizabeth Northumberland, Sarah Churchill,

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Bridget Elliot and I, were banned

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because they thought... we thought it was slightly funny.

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We had to wear hearts round our necks. We thought we looked ridiculous.

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We were considered to be a disruptive influence.

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-I

-think she's probably right, yes!

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I think she IS probably right.

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I teased Elizabeth Northumberland much later on

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when she became the person who cut the cake for the Queen Charlotte's Ball. I thought, "What a change!"

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I was Queen Charlotte.

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Other people had to come and curtsy to me. That was quite funny!

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There she was in her tiara being very correct!

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Each deb had her own coming out dance.

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There was often more than one in the same evening. Some of them small, some, like the Holland House Ball,

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rather grander.

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My cousin, Lord Ilchester, lived in it.

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And his granddaughter, Mab Fox-Strangways,

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was one of my early girlfriends.

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And I used to go to picnics there as a little boy...

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and in Holland Park, which was the garden, for God's sake!

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Quite a large garden! It was all in private hands. And I think they had a pheasant shoot there, too.

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Lord Ilchester had a high contralto voice -

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"Hello, Martin, how are you this evening?"

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And his wife, who was my cousin Birdie,

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had a bass, a double bass voice, "Hello, Martyn!"

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Occasionally got them mixed up, of course.

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But they were old-style aristocrats.

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Lord Ilchester had lent his house for the coming out ball of Rosalind Cubit,

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the mother of Camilla Parker-Bowles, and the granddaughter of Edward VII's mistress, Mrs Keppel.

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Unusually for a deb's dance, the royal family was there in full force.

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It was a bit awkward, cos if the Queen came into the room, you all had to stand up

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when you were sitting out with some delicious young man.

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However, she was sweet and said we could sit down again.

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But you couldn't leave the room...

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I remember the horror of that ball, my first dance...

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people queuing... I couldn't find the hostess to say how do you do.

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My father danced me round the room once, I was then lost.

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And I couldn't see a soul I knew and just found my parents and I said, "I just must go home!"

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"I can't bear it, I don't know anybody!

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"I can't see anybody! It's horrid, it's a squash!"

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Anyway, after that, one went to friends' houses and there were lovely balls and the summer flew by.

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I suppose a lot of people were aware that it could be the last.

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Holland House was an early casualty of the Blitz.

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One wing was saved and is now a youth hostel. The 500-acre estate

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has become the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea's largest public park.

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# And as long as my heart will beat

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# Lover, we'll always meet

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# Here in my deep

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# Purple dream! #

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I think the really beautiful dances

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were ones that took place in the country. They were the nicest of all.

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We went to a very good one at a place called Dutton Homesall.

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It was splendid. There was a suit of armour in the hall

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which had a radio inside, which we thought was very dashing!

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I had never seen that before!

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It was the first time I'd seen someone fully-clothed dive into a swimming pool.

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I thought that was... We thought we were seeing life!

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# The sun is sinking low behind the hill

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# I loved you long ago

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# I love you still. #

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You'd walk round these lovely gardens...

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with nightingales singing and roses growing...

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and the music of the dancing in the background.

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And especially if you were wildly in love, it was just...

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I can't think of anything more romantic.

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I wouldn't want anything more romantic.

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I found them rather boring, really.

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Lots of rather dim young men, or stupid young men, I thought.

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Or perhaps it really was that I was rather serious and not much fun.

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Debutantes were stamped as having officially come out into British society

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by a formal presentation at court.

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They had to sit in their cars waiting in The Mall,

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while the hoi polloi would come and look at them.

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They would peer in and make frightfully rude remarks at you.

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"That one's not so good..." This sort of thing.

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In 1939, five sessions were needed to process 1,000 debs.

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You had to wear Prince of Wales ostrich feathers in your hair,

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and curtsy to the king and queen in turn.

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There was always this problem with keeping your feathers in your head.

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I've got rather bad hair. So it's rather difficult getting them all skewered in!

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Looked slightly like circus horses, looking back!

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Curtsying to the king and queen.

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I couldn't do it now. I'd like to show you, but not since my hip replacement!

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I'm tempted to try and say I can still do it, but no!

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I could show you!

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I remember we used to stand like that.

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One foot in front, the other behind, and down you went.

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I was glad I'd done it. I enjoyed that.

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It was fun going to Buckingham Palace.

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And...eh...

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It was an archaic idea, really, wasn't it?!

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I remember something which was called The Poor.

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The poor came down and a huge tent was put up for them, and they came from Bermondsey.

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My mother obviously thought she was doing the right thing.

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These poor women came down and were given strawberries and cream...

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in this lovely garden... It was a very beautiful garden. And it was The Poor.

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I suppose we were in a sort of no-man's-land. We considered ourselves poor,

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because our relations were much better off.

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But when we saw, outside our house in Cambridge Square, barefooted children

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and scantily-clad children...

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I minded dreadfully.

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I realised then that...eh... we weren't...

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We weren't poor at all.

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After the War, I worked in an orphanage, and that meant a lot to me.

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It sort of wiped out at a single stroke

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all the things sitting heavily on my conscience.

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Of course we were well off.

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There were four servants in the house, as we called them.

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And...eh...we wanted for nothing.

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All the people that looked after you, they were... they were much more like friends.

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The nursery maid who became my children's nanny...

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she actually died in this flat when she was 86.

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She used to go and visit her relations.

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I think she really felt more at home in the end, with us,

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because she'd spent the whole of her life with us really, you know.

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She was a policeman's daughter from Staffordshire

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and all her relations were miners.

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When my husband first put up for Parliament, he put up against Mr Shrimble.

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He had a very big majority against him, 38,000.

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And he didn't know a lot about the coalmines.

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So he was sent off to one of Nanny's uncles, who gave him a quick week on how mines worked!

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Then, when he went down them, they actually thought he knew a great deal about it.

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It was very well organised by Mr Gibbs.

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Some debs refused to co-operate with the system.

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Unity, the fourth of the six Mitford Sisters, found the deb circuit deadly.

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Her sister, Jessica, described how she let her pet rat loose at dances

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and wrote letters on paper she'd stolen from Buckingham Palace.

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Unity soon found spiritual fulfilment in the arms of the Nazi Party.

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The Party gave her a flat in Munich.

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But when I met Unity...

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I'd been at school there doing music and German -

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finishing schools, really...

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I just loved it there, just as Unity did.

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We were Nazis to a T, the whole lot of us, and I'm not ashamed of it.

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It was great, great life...

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German.

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And it was um, Hedy Vine...

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She was kind enough to produce a...

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..an escort for me.

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Well, I mean a member of the SS.

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She had one and I had one too, and we went partying together.

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What the girls would call clubbing now.

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That was the sort of thing we did...

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sometimes.

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I was quite unashamed then.

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Quite unashamed.

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You see, for a year, I was right out of it.

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Back in England, it was quite, quite different.

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I really hadn't realised what was going on and what had been going on. I had no idea.

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I always defend Unity about one thing,

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which is, I know that she definitely told Hitler that if there was a war,

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that the British would fight,

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when people were saying they wouldn't.

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She also said she'd shoot herself if there was a war, and she did. Only she missed.

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'Though reported to be wounded,

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'Miss Mitford got home safely, Hitler having placed no obstacle in the way of her return.

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'Her parents saw her safely in and accompanied her to their home at High Wycombe.

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'Here, her sister, Deborah, was waiting.'

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I've never been embarrassed by my sisters at all.

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They all had their own lives,

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and I suppose I was entirely taken up with mine.

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I've always been terribly fond of them. Never had any differences with them.

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I think people took people as they found them

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and there was room for a bit of eccentricity.

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Now everybody seems to be like peas in a pod, they've all got to be exactly alike.

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-What do you think?

-Yes. Yes.

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My friends weren't the least bit interested in politics.

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They knew there would be a war and they'd go to the war and everything,

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but that was nothing to do with daily life.

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-Mine was very different.

-Yours...

-My father was in the House Of Commons

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and we were tremendously politically-minded.

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One wasn't really aware

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of the undercurrents that were going on, I think, most of the time.

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I was taken by my parents to Italy

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and learnt quite a bit of Italian and saw wonderful pictures.

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In Italy one saw Hitler and Mussolini meet.

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And they were two unattractive little stout, square men,

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striding towards each other!

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They just looked like joke people.

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In March, 1939, Hitler invaded Czechoslovakia, violating the pact he'd made

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the previous year in Munich. Neville Chamberlain's Policy of Appeasement had failed.

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Munich was really in many ways more important than the outbreak of War.

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Without the shame of Munich - and it was a shameful episode,

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I don't think this country would have gone to war again so soon after the slaughter of 1914-18.

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Munich was like taking the safety-catch off a sporting gun.

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-We were all aware, any thinking person knew, a war was inevitable...

-..By 1939. Because I really do think

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it was a kind of frenzy. You absolutely knew

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it was the end of life as you knew it.

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-"So, tomorrow, who cares?" it was a question of, don't you think?

-Yes.

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But I suppose people are always wild when they're young. Awfully depressing if they weren't.

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I found a letter from my mother to one of my sisters, saying, "Two boys are going

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"to the cottage at Swimbrook - Andrew Cavendish and a friend. I hope they won't break it up"!

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Dear Andrew.

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I can't say he wasn't wild.

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He was always...unwashed.

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He and the Cecils were related.

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And the Cecils... were always covered in ink...

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..and marmalade and stuff, and didn't give a damn what they wore.

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And Andrew was a little bit like that.

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He smartened up as he got older!

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Oh, he was lovely! Great friend.

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Martyn and I's life has gone very much in tandem.

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We had the same governess when we were seven and eight.

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We had the same private school.

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Same house at Eton. Same college at Cambridge.

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And until the Coldstream debacle, we would have had the same regiment!

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There was a ball going on in London,

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which curiously enough was my future wife's coming out ball.

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And funnily enough, I sat next to her at dinner.

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And then I had to set off at 3am to the Coldstream Guards Battalion,

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which were having an exercise near Southampton.

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And I was driving with a friend of mine called Howard, reading the map.

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And he lost the way, silly arse!

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And so we arrived 10 minutes late,

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with the whole battalion

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out there surrounding the Commanding Officer,

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who was reading out the notes on the exercise.

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And this little sports car rolls up in a cloud of dust

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and two dishevelled officers get out 10 minutes late.

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And, of course, it was one of the most awful moments of my life,

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walking up this little hill, saluting,

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and knowing that I'd had it!

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And indeed I had.

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I got a letter from the King, George VI,

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saying, "You will resign your Commission from my Coldstream Guards."

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So that was that!

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In the end, I had a go at the Welsh Guards,

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Great fun.

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I was burning the candle at both ends. Lord, yes.

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I'd been to a party the night before and got back to Windsor rather late.

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Very late.

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And just had time to change into uniform

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and go and supervise the recruits' physical training.

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And my future brother-in-law was there.

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And I remember I sat on one of those horses you have in a gym...

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and practically went to sleep.

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He came up and he said, "For God's sake, wake up and get the lipstick off your face!"

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But, you know, quite hard work it was, but I was young then!

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There were a tremendous number of parties.

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There was a dance called The Big Apple.

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-The Big Apple.

-The Big Apple was certainly one.

-God knows how it went. I can't remember now.

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-You danced like this, didn't you?

-I think it was one of the first ones when you danced alone.

-Yes.

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-Usual nowadays.

-It was very unusual then.

-People clung together.

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'The Big Apple is a round square dance.

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'It consists of trucking...

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'Suzy Q, Charleston and shake.'

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In those days, you called them, young men in those days, chaps.

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You tried to stir them up and get them going.

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Some were very monosyllabic and you got rather bored.

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"What have you been reading?" you'd say. And then you'd get a grunt!

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So nobody seemed to help themselves very much!

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The Alphabet Game, do you know about that? That was rather amusing.

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You started with apples,

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and then if that didn't answer, you went on to, I don't know, bramble jelly...

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and then you went to C, cats.

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I once got to R with somebody.

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I thought, "This is desperate."

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I saw the end of the alphabet coming... and then what? Z was a bad one.

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And then I found out that what he was interested in was Roman London.

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I was, what, 19 at the time.

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This was the beginning of the War. I still get postcards, and he's 90 now!

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# In my heart

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# A glowing ember will remain

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# As I sigh at summer's end. #

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I found that I was too nervous to eat the delicious meals that were served.

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Some people could guzzle them down, with better nerves than me. But at the time...

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I hadn't made friends with the whisky bottle,

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which, in my old age, I find an ally which never lets me down.

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I had to wait a long time for that happy relationship!

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A touch of transcontinental allure

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was added to the English season

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by Joe Kennedy, the American Ambassador, and his family.

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-They were wonderful.

-They were very much centre stage.

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They lived round the corner from us in Princess Gate.

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-Kik, who married Andrew's brother, and us, were great, great friends.

-Great friends.

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Kathleen "Kik" Kennedy met the Duke of Devonshire's eldest son, Billy, at a Buckingham Palace Garden Party.

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When they married, she was set to become the next Duchess of Devonshire.

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But four months later, Billy was killed in action on the Belgian border.

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Kik herself died in a plane crash after the War.

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And then these two immensely handsome boys...

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-Joe was heroically killed flying his regimental aircraft...

-Incredibly good-looking.

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..And Jack who became President. My mother-in-law made this extraordinary remark.

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She saw him at a dance and said, "That young man might well be President of the United States."

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It was queer, wasn't it?

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They were so nice-looking, and so jolly and so friendly. Not like stuck-up English people!

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-Everybody loved them, didn't they?

-Everybody.

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-Especially Kik. She had more go about her than anybody, don't you think?

-Vitality.

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Than anybody I've ever met probably, except Jack.

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-Ali Khan was a bit older, wasn't he?

-Who?

-Ali Khan.

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But he wasn't President of America!

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-But he became a great feature later on.

-He was quite a feature.

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-Who was he married to, Joan?

-Joan, at the time.

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And then he married beautiful Rita Hayworth. The most beautiful woman I've ever seen.

0:25:390:25:45

She had charisma. But I suppose Jack, of all the people we've ever known, had the most.

0:25:450:25:50

-And Sir Winston.

-Winston?

-Yes.

0:25:500:25:53

-Charisma?

-Yes.

-Do you think?

-Oh, certainly, yes.

-Oh!

0:25:530:25:57

-Lester Piggott.

-Oh, no.

0:25:570:26:00

-He's got charisma.

-No, he hasn't!

-He has!

-No!

-He does have!

0:26:000:26:04

Uncle Harold, in a sort of way, did.

0:26:040:26:07

-He had style, not quite the same as charisma.

-That's right.

0:26:070:26:12

-He certainly had style.

-He was beautiful to look at.

0:26:120:26:16

And Elvis, of course. I never met him.

0:26:160:26:19

-Your hero.

-Yes.

-Don't you think it's better not to have met him?

0:26:190:26:24

That's what I wonder, is it better, perhaps?

0:26:240:26:27

We used to divide people always, you know, that dance with you.

0:26:350:26:40

There were good dancers and moderate dancers.

0:26:400:26:44

I was amused by how different the way people danced were.

0:26:440:26:48

Some handed you round like a plate.

0:26:480:26:51

And other ones danced, sort of, very jiggy,

0:26:510:26:54

and you never knew whether to jig too, or try and, what I call, clamp them to the floor.

0:26:540:27:00

My brother-in-law once told me that he counted 17 shoulder straps

0:27:000:27:05

on a girl he was made to dance with.

0:27:050:27:08

I couldn't think why it was an odd number, because you'd think it wouldn't be an odd number.

0:27:080:27:14

But he said there was 17! I don't know what she was wearing underneath that dress!

0:27:140:27:20

Nowadays they don't bother to have shoulder straps, do they? They just have shoulders.

0:27:200:27:26

Men wore white gloves, I'm glad to say.

0:27:260:27:30

It was very nice that they wore gloves.

0:27:300:27:33

Because then your dress didn't get stained behind with the sweat from the hand.

0:27:330:27:40

I reckoned that I was quite a good waltzer.

0:27:430:27:47

I used to enjoy waltzing.

0:27:470:27:51

I rather fancied myself, I must admit. But I think people were much better at it than they are now.

0:27:510:27:58

I don't see the point of dancing when you stand about 6-foot away from whoever you're dancing with.

0:27:580:28:05

The whole idea was to get a hold of the girl, put your arm round her and dance properly.

0:28:050:28:12

All the chaperones, of course, were sitting around the room,

0:28:120:28:16

you know, eyeing one, watching to see that you behaved yourself.

0:28:160:28:20

They'd raise their lorgnettes, and look and see what you were up to!

0:28:200:28:25

No, no! Took more than that to put me off!

0:28:270:28:31

One had to be chaperoned.

0:28:410:28:43

My mother had to come with me every night to every dance.

0:28:450:28:50

And, of course, she met all her old girlfriends.

0:28:500:28:54

And she would sit on her little gilt chair and gossip.

0:28:540:28:59

Very occasionally, the odd father would turn up.

0:29:000:29:04

And that was absolutely lovely. They were all thrilled - some boyfriend of 50 years ago!

0:29:040:29:10

Well, my mother, I was the sixth daughter, sixth girl, so she'd done it six times when I was growing up.

0:29:100:29:17

And she used to look longingly at her bed which was ready to get into,

0:29:170:29:23

having had a boiled egg or something at 7.30, and had to change into an evening dress and come to the dance.

0:29:230:29:30

But can you imagine doing that night after night?

0:29:300:29:34

And then they used to stay until the girl wanted to go home.

0:29:340:29:38

And sometimes if she was enjoying herself, it was about three in the morning.

0:29:380:29:45

The old dowagers... Actually, they were young! We thought they were as old as God's governess!

0:29:450:29:52

But they were very young. It must have been terribly boring to sit on the bench.

0:29:520:29:58

But they were very good, they did. And we were on pain of death - we were not to go to a nightclub.

0:29:580:30:05

But, of course, I did. That was half the fun!

0:30:050:30:08

Doing something you're not allowed is MUCH better than being a good little girl!

0:30:080:30:13

Oh, terribly risque, terribly dangerous, awfully naughty!

0:30:210:30:25

What one did was one was, one made an assignation with a chap.

0:30:250:30:30

And one went home rigorously, either with one's mother or something.

0:30:300:30:36

If my mother had gone home before me, I had to put my shoes inside her door so she'd know I was home.

0:30:360:30:43

So I would creep upstairs, put my shoes inside her bedroom door, change into something less formal,

0:30:430:30:50

and meanwhile, the chap would be waiting two or three doors down, and one would sneak out quietly!

0:30:500:30:56

There was a taxi parked further down the road. I thought, "Where is HE?"

0:30:560:31:01

Then I saw this lid wobbling and Ian crouching underneath it!

0:31:010:31:06

Luckily, my mother hadn't seen, she was so keen, poor darling, to go to bed!

0:31:060:31:11

One time, my mother left me in Sarah Churchill's mother's hands.

0:31:160:31:22

She was a very fierce character. I slipped away...

0:31:220:31:27

and when I came back... there were these long stairs...

0:31:270:31:32

I think it was Londonderry House... ..long stairs to walk up...and there she was, standing at the top.

0:31:320:31:38

"Elizabeth, where have you been?"

0:31:380:31:41

"I've been to the 400, terribly sorry, please don't tell Mummy!"

0:31:410:31:46

"I won't if you promise not to do it again." "Yes, I promise."

0:31:480:31:53

I don't think promises held out very much!

0:31:530:31:57

Sarah always remained one of my greatest friends.

0:32:000:32:04

She's marvellous fun. She's very, very tall and full of life. Never drew breath.

0:32:040:32:10

And didn't seem to be shy like me so she was a great friend to have. She would do the talking.

0:32:100:32:17

If she was here now, she would do the talking!

0:32:170:32:21

And then, poor woman, she had the most horrible end a year ago.

0:32:230:32:28

They thought she had cancer.

0:32:280:32:30

When they operated, they cut through the artery and they couldn't stop the bleeding.

0:32:300:32:36

And she died on the operating table. Most awful story. In New York.

0:32:360:32:41

Think of it.

0:32:410:32:43

They cut into an artery

0:32:430:32:46

and they could not stop the bleeding.

0:32:460:32:49

Sarah had this wonderful dance at Blenheim.

0:32:520:32:56

That was just out of this world. It was magic.

0:32:560:33:00

You know, all the friends one has ever met were there.

0:33:000:33:04

That was all great fun.

0:33:040:33:07

This was all, of course, just before the War.

0:33:160:33:19

We had all this...and then the War.

0:33:190:33:22

Finish.

0:33:220:33:24

We were gathered in front of the wireless - I can remember that very vividly.

0:33:250:33:32

And couldn't believe, until Neville Chamberlain actually said...

0:33:320:33:37

war had been declared. One couldn't believe that such a dreadful thing should happen.

0:33:380:33:45

One really thought it would be the end of the world.

0:33:450:33:50

But the one marvellous thing was that nobody ever conceived it possible that we were going to lose.

0:33:500:33:56

-It was quite astonishing how normal life went on.

-Yes, astonishing.

-We got married on April 19th, 1941,

0:33:560:34:04

height of the Blitz.

0:34:040:34:07

I should be terrified now.

0:34:070:34:10

-But we were young.

-It's different.

-Quite different.

0:34:100:34:13

It was very exciting. We used to go to nightclubs at that time because he was still in London.

0:34:130:34:20

I was here until November '43,

0:34:200:34:23

then, rather belatedly, I went to Italy where I had an absolutely marvellous time.

0:34:230:34:29

Oh, dear!

0:34:320:34:34

One moment, I was being so lucky and spoilt and drinking champagne,

0:34:420:34:47

and the next I was working in a factory in Cricklewood,

0:34:470:34:52

helping to make a bomber called a Halifax, which had four engines and was very splendid.

0:34:520:34:58

But that was 7.30 in the morning till 6.30 in the evening and it was hard physical labour the whole time.

0:34:580:35:04

It WAS work.

0:35:040:35:06

I found myself very ostracised.

0:35:200:35:23

And one of the girls said to me, in a moment of frankness, "Why do you talk in that silly way?"

0:35:250:35:32

When I explained to her that I wasn't putting it on,

0:35:330:35:38

it just happened to be the way my family talked, after that they were fine.

0:35:380:35:44

It taught me what work really is.

0:35:460:35:49

And that, I feel, is a good thing in one's life.

0:35:500:35:53

I think that the deb period was fairytale.

0:35:570:36:00

It was lovely, it was magical. And I suppose all magical things come to an end, really.

0:36:000:36:06

But the great thing about the factory in Cricklewood where I worked

0:36:090:36:14

was that it had a direct line underground to...

0:36:140:36:18

Is it still called Green Park? That tube station just outside The Ritz?

0:36:180:36:23

We'd rush out of the factory, jump on the underground and half an hour later we'd be in the Ritz Bar!

0:36:230:36:30

And nobody minded that we were still in our terrible old dungaree working clothes.

0:36:300:36:36

I say, speaking of lovely women!

0:36:370:36:40

I was a mechanic. I was given a series of huge books,

0:36:420:36:46

told to go home, read them,

0:36:460:36:49

come back the next day and take charge of the electrical bench.

0:36:490:36:56

I was 18, and had underneath me

0:36:570:37:00

two boys and a girl, aged 15 and 16, who wanted just to send me up rotten.

0:37:000:37:06

So I had to - I HAD to succeed to stop them knowing how little I knew.

0:37:060:37:13

It was in a garage mending jeeps, Chevs, lorries and things that came back from the Front.

0:37:130:37:20

My particular thing was the electrical parts of carburettors, the starting motors.

0:37:200:37:27

It was underground in Shepherd's Market.

0:37:270:37:30

Particularly on the night shift, it was unbelievable stuffy. Really was horrible.

0:37:300:37:37

So these two great friends of mine...

0:37:370:37:41

Vie and Edie they were called,

0:37:410:37:44

used to go out for a stroll, just to sort of get some air into our lungs.

0:37:440:37:49

And the only place to stroll was down Piccadilly,

0:37:490:37:53

which was quite an interesting stroll at one o'clock in the morning sometimes!

0:37:530:37:59

There were the ladies of the night proffering their... whatever they proffer.

0:37:590:38:04

And we got to know them very well, actually.

0:38:040:38:08

We were all very jolly together. It was extraordinary.

0:38:080:38:13

Extraordinary, really.

0:38:150:38:17

I had to wait till...

0:38:240:38:27

March '42...

0:38:270:38:30

to be called up for the Wrens as Wren Scott.

0:38:300:38:34

I did four trips, New York, Boston

0:38:340:38:37

and two to Halifax,

0:38:370:38:40

bringing back about 8,000 troops each time.

0:38:400:38:43

My brother was in the Navy, and on one of these trips

0:38:450:38:50

came signals from my brother's escort group.

0:38:500:38:54

One saying, "Have spotted U-Boat."

0:38:540:38:57

Next one saying, "Am about to fire."

0:38:570:39:00

And a French signal saying, "Have sunk U-Boat."

0:39:000:39:04

I longed to go round saying, # My brother sank a U-Boat! #

0:39:040:39:09

But, of course, because of secrecy, I didn't like to.

0:39:090:39:14

Then one day the Signal Officer came to see me and said "Oh, Scott, we're going to send you to Australia."

0:39:150:39:22

"Australia?!

0:39:230:39:25

"Why Australia? It's far too far away."

0:39:250:39:28

But there it was.

0:39:300:39:33

I loved every minute of it, having thought I'd hate it.

0:39:330:39:38

This is all on top of having been

0:39:380:39:41

a quiet little debutante in 1939!

0:39:410:39:44

So many things opened with war...

0:39:480:39:50

that there was no time to think of an ordinary life.

0:39:500:39:55

So an ordinary life never sort of came my way...

0:39:550:39:59

until I married really.

0:39:590:40:02

'The wedding of the Duke of Northumberland

0:40:020:40:06

'and Lady Elizabeth Montague Douglas Scott

0:40:060:40:10

'was the first big society wedding at the Abbey since the War ended.'

0:40:100:40:16

After the War, things didn't seem to have changed much.

0:40:200:40:24

And being of a somewhat...

0:40:240:40:27

Leftish frame of mind... very slight, may I say...

0:40:270:40:32

we hoped that it would all sort of calm down and be much more...

0:40:320:40:37

..ordinary for everybody, I suppose.

0:40:380:40:41

Surely we couldn't have these awful class distinctions for ever and ever, you know.

0:40:410:40:47

But, no. Before you knew where you were, people were climbing into long dresses again.

0:40:470:40:54

But I didn't...eh...

0:40:540:40:56

fancy that sort of a high-powered life, really.

0:40:560:41:01

Fairly soon after that, I met Jack.

0:41:010:41:04

I came back after the War, very left wing...

0:41:050:41:09

decided to go to Veterinary College.

0:41:090:41:13

And my sister was married to her brother.

0:41:130:41:17

Didn't think her little brother could possibly look after himself in London,

0:41:170:41:22

so she asked her sister-in-law to keep an eye on me, which she did.

0:41:220:41:26

-I didn't think anything very much would...

-We weren't interested in each other.

0:41:260:41:32

We both thought we were rather dull and serious people! Then we decided to go...

0:41:320:41:38

for a bicycle ride along a tow path.

0:41:380:41:41

Suddenly we were poring over an ordinance survey map,

0:41:410:41:46

and suddenly, it was as if somebody had hit me over the head.

0:41:460:41:51

I realised there was only one thing in life -

0:41:510:41:54

I couldn't go on without this lovely girl to go through life with me.

0:41:540:41:59

The difficulty was to persuade her!

0:41:590:42:02

And I reckon I proposed under most of the trees in Hyde Park.

0:42:040:42:09

And, eventually...

0:42:090:42:12

just as the snowdrops were breaking through from their sleep, she accepted me.

0:42:120:42:18

And I've lived happily ever after!

0:42:180:42:20

-In a nutshell!

-Yes!

0:42:200:42:24

And then, oh, I had various pangs because I couldn't think that

0:42:260:42:32

I could possibly bring a lovely person like this

0:42:320:42:36

into a veterinary assistant's house, one up, one down,

0:42:360:42:41

smelling of tom cat!

0:42:410:42:44

I was much happier marrying someone who was working with real people in the real world.

0:42:450:42:51

And he was much the nicest that I had met.

0:42:510:42:54

Early on in my coming out year,

0:42:590:43:02

I met, I thought, the most wonderful person in the world and fell wildly in love with him.

0:43:020:43:09

And he quite liked me too.

0:43:090:43:13

He was the handsomest man in England, that is without a shadow of a doubt.

0:43:130:43:18

He was very clever and funny.

0:43:180:43:21

And in the old-fashioned meaning of the word, gay, you know, full of jokes and fun.

0:43:230:43:30

And we were all so well brought up then, and so, you know, it was... What a waste of time!

0:43:310:43:38

When the War started, he went off the whole idea!

0:43:400:43:44

Oh, but look. I think I have it on. Let me turn my pearls round.

0:43:460:43:51

Does it have a little blue clasp? Have a look.

0:43:510:43:55

A little...? It does?

0:43:550:43:58

That was my engagement ring to the sailor, and he let me keep it.

0:43:580:44:04

And anyway...he's dead.

0:44:040:44:08

I mean they always say that the one person a woman always remembers is the first person she makes love to.

0:44:080:44:15

I don't think that's necessarily so. I think the first person one LOVES is much more important.

0:44:150:44:21

Priscilla, my wife, when I first saw her, actually, she was at a deb ball and she was whirling around -

0:44:280:44:35

she was a frightfully good waltzer -

0:44:350:44:38

with a man who subsequently became an ambassador, called Sir John Beethe.

0:44:380:44:45

And he often told me when she died,

0:44:450:44:47

he said "I wanted to marry your wife, but you were in the way!"

0:44:470:44:52

Anyway, she was dancing with him, waltzing around in white. I picked her out at once.

0:44:520:44:59

I said to my friend Howard, "Who's that?", and he said, "Oh, she's Priscilla Brett.

0:44:590:45:06

"She comes from a very eccentric family!" And despite our disparate natures and characters,

0:45:060:45:14

we got on like a house on fire for 58 years. A long time.

0:45:140:45:19

And she died...

0:45:210:45:24

..on the 2nd of January, 2000.

0:45:250:45:28

She just got into the millennium.

0:45:280:45:32

And then she died that morning at 2.00am.

0:45:320:45:35

I shall always miss her.

0:45:350:45:38

There has been no-one else like her who...

0:45:390:45:44

She was out on her own.

0:45:440:45:47

Mm-hm.

0:45:470:45:48

And...eh...

0:45:500:45:52

I've survived her a year so far.

0:45:520:45:55

I have quite a social life, actually, with my friends,

0:45:550:46:00

and I'm constantly occupied.

0:46:000:46:03

And I'm very, very lucky.

0:46:030:46:06

Lucky with everything - birth, childhood, army - got through unscathed, and then marriage.

0:46:080:46:16

And architecture, for heaven's sake, we haven't spoken about that.

0:46:160:46:21

Charles died about 10 or 11 years ago now.

0:46:270:46:31

I hate being alone.

0:46:310:46:34

They say, "Grow old gracefully." It's extremely difficult.

0:46:350:46:40

You're deaf as a haddock, you're batty, you forget everything!

0:46:400:46:45

It's, "What did you say?"

0:46:450:46:48

I lost touch with all the people that I'd known in '39 -

0:46:490:46:54

most of them - and picked up only with a few.

0:46:540:46:59

Oh, little Jack Younger, he was one at my dance, looking like a little pink penguin.

0:46:590:47:05

He's one of my oldest friends. We ring each other up at intervals

0:47:050:47:10

and discuss euthanasia and suitable subjects like that!

0:47:100:47:15

"How are you today?" "Bloody awful!"

0:47:170:47:20

It was unique.

0:47:220:47:25

It'll never come again. So it's a lovely memory.

0:47:250:47:29

I think I enjoyed it... I wonder if other people do...

0:47:290:47:33

..more in retrospect than I did at the time.

0:47:330:47:36

It was like living in inverted commas, really.

0:47:360:47:41

So much happened so quickly - coming out, the War, the job...

0:47:410:47:46

getting married...

0:47:460:47:48

It's really lovely in old age...

0:47:480:47:51

having tied up all your loose ends.

0:47:510:47:54

When one's past and one's present sort of...

0:47:540:47:58

sort of merge together...

0:47:580:48:01

it's an enormously happy time. Perhaps the happiest of all.

0:48:010:48:05

# When the deep purple falls

0:48:050:48:12

# Over sleepy garden walls

0:48:120:48:15

# And the stars begin to flicker in the sky

0:48:150:48:23

# Through the mist of a memory

0:48:230:48:28

# You wander back to me

0:48:290:48:33

# Breathing my name with a sigh... #

0:48:330:48:39

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