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This is the story of popular entertainment...

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..from the music-hall era of the 19th century...

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Don't you know Mrs Kelly?

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..through the golden age of variety...

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..to the working men's clubs of the 1950s.

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I love it!

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I'm Frank Skinner, a comedian.

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And I'm Suzy Klein, a music presenter.

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Together, we plan to celebrate our rich entertainment heritage

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by finding out all we can about the great acts of the past

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and, yes, by having a go ourselves.

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It's harder than it looks.

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So, join us now, as we go back to a time when

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Britain really did have talent.

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Entertainment first burst on to our TV screens in 1955.

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It was a watershed moment and, as a nation, we haven't looked back,

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but how did we get there?

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Our story starts in the emerging world of 19th-century music hall.

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The music hall would come to dominate 19th-century entertainment,

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turning stage performers into household names.

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And to understand a bit more about what it was like for entertainers

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and audiences back then, Suzy and I are going to get

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under the skin of two of the biggest stars of the day.

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I want to find out how a woman like Marie Lloyd battled her way

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through a male-dominated industry to be crowned queen of music hall.

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# If it satisfies their desires... #

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And I'm going to find out about eccentric comedian Dan Leno,

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who many call the grandfather of stand-up.

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But the entertainment industry that made them famous

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had a far-from-glamorous birth.

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It's a world with murky beginnings,

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in the underground basements of 1840s London.

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All that you shall hear Enacted in this humble hall

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'Tis the true tale As you shall hear

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Of poor Maria Marten's fall

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And though we fill you full of...

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The 19th century was a boom time in popular entertainment.

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After the Industrial Revolution, workers flooded into the towns

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and cities and, after a hard day's graft, they wanted a great night out.

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Think of 19th-century popular entertainment

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and you think of music hall.

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There was a lot more going on than just that.

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At the start of the 19th century, Britain had become a powerful

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mercantile nation and was expanding its empire.

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And back home, the British stage offered

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some of the finest entertainment in Europe.

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# Let me entertain you! #

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But in the early 1800s, the Industrial Revolution took hold

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and Britain's urban populations tripled overnight.

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Entertainment venues popped up in all kinds of places

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to meet the demands of new audiences.

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Oooh!

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At the bottom of the social ladder were the penny gaffs.

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Often no more than a makeshift stage in a shop basement,

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they offered home-made entertainment to a local clientele

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of costermongers and factory workers, all for a penny.

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Bloodthirsty melodramas and crude songs about real-life murders

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were all the rage at the gaff,

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including a newly written 1840s horror story, Sweeney Todd.

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Mmm, mmm, mmm...

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Loads of gravy!

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Oh!

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How did a button come into a pie?

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If working-class people needed a break from the penny gaffs,

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they could go to saloon theatres, like the Britannia Theatre in Hoxton.

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Oh.

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It used to be here.

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Oh, no, look, it DID used to be here.

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Charles Dickens visited the Britannia Saloon.

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This is what he wrote, "Among the audience were a large

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"number of boys and youths and a great many very young girls,

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"grown into bold women before they had well ceased to be children.

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"These last were the worst features of the whole crowd

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"and were more prominent there than in any other sort of

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"public assembly that we know of, except at a public execution."

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My kind of crowd!

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If you were a bit more posh,

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you could go to a song and supper room, which,

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by the early 19th century, had become known for their celebrity singers.

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Sadly, all the song and supper rooms have long gone

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so instead, I'm off to the local gastropub,

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where Michael Kilgarriff is waiting to tell me all about them.

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-Michael.

-Frank. Hello.

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-Good to see you.

-How are you? All right.

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These were really for the men about town,

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-so they were a little grand, quite grand.

-OK.

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That was the audience, the entertainment wasn't so grand.

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It was said that it "appealed to the most depraved propensities,

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"and whenever there was a burst of unwanted enthusiasm,

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"you can be certain that some genius of the place had soared

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"to a happy combination of indecency with blasphemy."

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And the kind of songs... Well, I'll give you some titles.

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There's No Shove Like The First Shove.

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He Did It Before My Eyes.

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And one that still baffles me,

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called The Friar's Candle.

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Make of that what you will.

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They were all male, of course, the audiences.

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-OK, so it was a gentleman's club.

-It was a gentleman's club, yes.

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-The entertainment was...

-Was pretty saucy.

-..not refined.

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Pretty raunchy, yes.

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And also, it was very late, you see.

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They were called supper clubs, so the entertainment wouldn't start

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until after the theatre or the opera had turned out.

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Were they rough and raucous crowds?

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If you can imagine a stag night,

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I mean, everybody was on stag nights, the way they behaved there.

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-It was a stag night every night.

-Every night, yes.

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One of the biggest hits of the song and supper rooms

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was Sam Cowell's song, The Ratcatcher's Daughter.

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IN COCKNEY ACCENT: Ladies and gentlemen, attend ye the tale

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of the poor ratcatcher's daughter.

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# Not long ago in Vestminster there lived a ratcatcher's daughter

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# But she didn't quite live in Vestminster

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# Cos she lived t'other side of the water

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# Her father caught rats

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# And she sold sprats all around and about that quarter

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# And the gentle folks all took off their hats

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# To the pretty little ratcatcher's daughter

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# Doodle-dee, doodle-dum

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# Dum dim-dum doodle-da. #

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HE REPEATS THE PHRASE ON THE PIANO

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Oh, yes.

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Always repeat for the audience.

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So, I think what we've probably got here

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is some authentic Cockney, and some exaggeration for comic effect.

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-Yes, yes.

-OK.

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But it works beautifully because it creates another world,

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and if you're doing this on stage as a sort of Cockney character,

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if you're not at all familiar with Cockneys, I think

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you take this all in as this colourful land of East London.

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-Yes. Slightly foreign.

-Yes, exactly.

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# They both agreed to married be upon next Easter Sunday

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# But ratcatcher's daughter She had a dream

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# That she wouldn't be alive on Monday

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# She vent vonce more to buy some sprats

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# And she tumbled into the vater

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# And down to the bottom all kivered up with mud

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# Went the pretty little ratcatcher's daughter

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-BOTH:

-# Doodle-dee, doodle-dum

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# Dee-dum, doodle-da. #

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And again!

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-BOTH:

-# Doodle-dee doodle-dum

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# Dee-dum, doodle-da. #

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That's it, so she's drowned in the Thames.

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Nothing was funnier, it would seem, to Victorians of this time,

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than people dying.

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There's love and tragedy and blood and drowning,

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and that's what's great about it,

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it's not sanitised like so many songs in later years.

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It's a real thing of beauty, The Ratcatcher's Daughter.

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Entertainment venues were starting to respond to the tastes

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of their clientele, and it seems the Victorians loved

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nothing more than tales of death and murder.

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But the one thing that was absolutely forbidden was a play.

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Before the 1840s, entertainment was heavily controlled

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by the authorities, and it was illegal for theatres

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to put on a play without a licence, so the smaller theatres responded

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with their own subversive take on the classics.

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I'm going to the Charing Cross Theatre on the Strand,

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the former centre of London's fringe theatre scene,

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where an alternative breed of comedy, called doggerel,

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was gaining popularity.

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-Nice to meet you, how are you doing?

-Good to meet you.

-Hi.

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So, why was doggerel, and particularly doggerel Shakespeare,

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why was that such a hit with 19th-century audiences?

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Victorians were obsessed with doing Shakespeare, the great national

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playwright, so there was this sense that, "Well, we can,

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"we alternative theatres..." -

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the theatres around the Strand, where we are right now -

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"..we can thumb our noses at the great stewards of culture

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"at Covent Garden and Drury Lane."

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So the smaller theatres said,

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"We're going to do Shakespeare, but on our terms, and we're going

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"to do the great Shakespeare tragedies as if they were comedies.

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"We're going to take something very serious and make it look ridiculous."

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So, who was coming to these theatres?

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What was the audience made up of?

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One-word description of that audience is "bohemian".

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They were people who went to Covent Garden and Drury Lane

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and saw legitimate Shakespeare,

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and then they would go, on the other night,

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to the burlesque and see the travesty or satire version of Shakespeare,

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so imagine going to see Benedict Cumberbatch as Hamlet

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on a Tuesday night and then on Thursday you go to a small fringe theatre

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in London, and somebody is imitating Benedict Cumberbatch as Hamlet.

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OK, we're going to do the burlesque balcony scene from Romeo And Juliet.

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I quite like my moustache.

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Romeo, are you ready?

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I am. What do you think? Ta-da!

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-Perfect.

-But every Romeo needs a Juliet.

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True.

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Oh! She's a looker! Oh!

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Ha!

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'Tis he!

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You are still playing in verse, even though it's funny.

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The actors would have done a comic voice and, often, for

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a 19th-century performance, this would have been a regional accent.

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Oh, I can handle that!

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I think you can.

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THEY CHUCKLE

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Ha! 'Tis he!

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Juliet.

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Romeo, ah, yes, 'tis he.

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Oh, say that name again.

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Oh, me-o, Romeo!

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Wherefore art thou, Romeo?

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Well, 'pon my soul, my love, my sweet ray, dear,

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I haven't got the most remote idea.

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-My father perhaps.

-Deny him!

-Then my mother.

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-She does... Oh, sorry.

-Get off!

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Go, go!

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-Then my mother, she does not know I'm out.

-Oh, what a bother.

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What is bother, sweet?

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That you, my Romeo, should be a Montague.

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And I a Capulet, and yet,

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what's in a name?

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Great. That was wonderful!

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CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

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He looks even tastier in the flesh, I'll tell you.

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I really enjoyed that. Didn't you think it was great?

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I kind of thought that this burlesque would be

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sort of anti-Shakespeare entertainment.

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But in fact, if you love Shakespeare, you love this...

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-It celebrates it, absolutely.

-..even more.

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Exactly, that's what the people who wrote the burlesque said.

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Because all the critics in the big theatres said, "How dare you do this?

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"This is a travesty, this is a bastardisation of Shakespeare,

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"this is an insult to Shakespeare."

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And people who did the burlesque said,

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"You've got it all wrong, we love Shakespeare."

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It's a great love letter to Shakespeare.

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The big theatres had lost their control over entertainment.

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By the 1840s, it was the minor theatres,

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penny gaffs and supper rooms that drew in the crowds.

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Popular entertainment was becoming a real money-maker

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and the stage was set for the arrival of...

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music hall.

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The music hall would eventually come to define 19th-century entertainment

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and at one time, there would have been one in every neighbourhood.

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I've come to Wilton's in East London, one of the last remaining halls

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in the country, where many a music-hall star performed.

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But none of it would have been possible

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without one canny Victorian businessmen, Charles Morton.

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Fern, Charles Morton was this extraordinary entrepreneurial figure,

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just tell me a bit about him. Who was he?

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Well, we call him the Father of the Halls

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because he really does create music hall for the first time.

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He was a publican and he was an East End boy, Hackney born,

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and he'd started as a pub owner.

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He's been going to the Evans' song and supper room, which is kind of

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men singing songs and drinking, and he realises that this is

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a really good way to make money and he thinks, "Well,

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"I could do this but I could do it a little bit differently."

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So, having bought the Canterbury Arms,

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he opens it as the Canterbury Music Hall,

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as a 700-seater hall, and he also allows ladies in,

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so this is doubling his money, doubling his revenue.

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The Canterbury is very like Wilton's.

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It's kind of a free-for-all, so you have long tables,

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you might have short tables, everyone's sitting around.

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There's waitresses with beer and porter, and people bringing in food.

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Kids running around, smoke everywhere.

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It is a real mix of classes that you don't see anywhere else

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in Victorian England, and it's our first mass entertainment in the UK.

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We've never seen anything like it.

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Music halls were an escape from the living conditions

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of the average 19th-century urban resident.

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City life was poor and crowded, with no running water or heating,

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and night-time for most was seen through the dim flicker of a candle.

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There was a time when a lot of people would have been too scared

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to venture out to a place like the Canterbury after dark,

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but in the early 1800s a revolutionary new invention

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transformed the world of popular entertainment for ever.

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Gas lighting first appeared on Britain's streets in the early 19th century,

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and allowed people to walk safely at night for the first time.

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By the 1850s, as more and more music halls were being built,

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auditoriums were now being lit by gas.

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A trip to the halls for the average punter could be the only time

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they would experience such a luxury.

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Combined with the cheap beer and entertainment on offer,

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music halls like the Canterbury became more and more successful.

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This booming business led to a race to build music halls

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all around the country.

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Another modern-day survivor of this music-hall boom

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is the City Varieties in Leeds, built above a pub in 1865.

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And just a few years later, City Varieties had the privilege

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of presenting a massive star of the future.

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Yes, me.

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I've played City Varieties quite a lot of times

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and have always had a great gig.

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The first time I ever played here, I can see it now from here,

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I dashed out onto the stage, bursting with enthusiasm,

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and stages in theatres like this are tilted forward,

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what they call the rake, so the audience can see better,

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but I hadn't really played anywhere like this before,

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so I ran out on stage and I'm basically running downhill,

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I damn near ran straight off the end of the stage.

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It was a terrifying opening.

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But I always think of that...

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that horrible moment before the show began.

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It was on this very stage that Dan Leno appeared

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as an emerging performer, travelling the country with his act.

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He was born in the slums of King's Cross in 1860,

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but immediately was on the road with his family of entertainers.

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He would go on to perform

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everything from acrobatics, comic singing,

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and pantomime.

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As a touring performer myself,

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I feel a certain kinship with the itinerant Leno.

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And who should be waiting for me in the stalls but Dan Leno expert,

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Caroline Radcliffe.

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-Hello.

-Hello.

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-God, I have had crowds like this.

-Pleased to meet you.

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THEY CHUCKLE

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So we're in quite a beautiful old music hall.

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What kind of places would the Leno family have been playing?

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He would have gone to local fairs,

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because every local town and village had a fair at that time,

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and there would have been a whole variety of shows

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and performances, and they would have just walked miles and miles,

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knocked on pub doors, played at free-and-easies...

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And a free-and-easy is what comedians would now call a door split -

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you do the gig and it depends on how many people turn up

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-and what they pay.

-Yes. So sometimes you wouldn't make anything.

-Yeah.

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So you're talking about, you know,

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it's a survival of the fittest, really.

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I have here a lyric from one of the songs he did

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in those early pantomimes, which is very beautiful, I must say.

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"If I had my husband now, I wouldn't thrash him,

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"I'd clasp him in my arms and smash him.

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"His ugly neck I'd dearly like to twist,

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"and prove the strength of a woman's love...

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"and fist."

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-Wow!

-Beautiful.

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Yeah, it's got that sort of girl power feel to it!

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That's very typical of his humour, I think.

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There's this whole Victorian...

0:19:290:19:31

I guess it makes me think of the penny dreadfuls and all that -

0:19:310:19:34

they like a bit of horror

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and a bit of death in their entertainment.

0:19:360:19:38

His act was basically just a catalogue of domestic violence.

0:19:380:19:44

Really, really aggressive songs about beating each other up at home.

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So it's the sort of musical version of Punch and Judy

0:19:500:19:53

-but with real people.

-Actually, yes.

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When you look at the poverty that he came from, it was one step away

0:19:560:19:59

from the workhouse, and that's the humour that he's reflecting.

0:19:590:20:05

His really, really tough poverty.

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Most of the music halls arose in industrial towns.

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You got a lot of factory workers, you got a lot of dockers,

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a lot of sailors.

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It was a really rough clientele that you got in this style of music hall,

0:20:210:20:27

particularly in the 1850s and the 1860s, when Leno's career started.

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There are accounts of huge fights taking place in the music halls.

0:20:330:20:38

If they didn't like an act, they'd just lynch you round the back of

0:20:380:20:41

the music hall, throw a brick at you, or just start a fight.

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So you have to be really tough to deal with that kind of audience.

0:20:470:20:51

I think stand-up comedians now, they have the odd heckler,

0:20:510:20:54

but they don't expect to be beaten up around the back.

0:20:540:20:58

I thought my early audiences were rough, but this lot!

0:21:010:21:05

Luckily, back in the 19th century, there was someone to sort them all out.

0:21:060:21:11

Now, you may remember a television programme called The Good Old Days,

0:21:120:21:16

where a very polite audience sat in rather dodgy period costume,

0:21:160:21:20

enjoying some music-hall entertainment.

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Well, the real music-hall crowd was not remotely as sedate as that,

0:21:220:21:26

and it was down to one man to keep them in check.

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My lords, ladies and gentlemen, good evening,

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and welcome to this magnificent melange

0:21:510:21:55

of musicality, magic and mirth,

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in which we transport you back to the good old days of Queen...

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-Queen Vic... You're not Queen Victoria.

-I'm Suzy.

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Suzy, hello, I thought you might be Queen Victoria.

0:22:030:22:06

I'm sorry to disappoint you.

0:22:060:22:08

Wonderfully impressive chairmanship there.

0:22:080:22:10

Well, a little something.

0:22:100:22:12

I may have got the job, I'm not sure.

0:22:120:22:15

Johnny, tell me about the role of the chairman.

0:22:150:22:18

When did it come about?

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The middle of the 19th century.

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Usually, they were the landlord or the governor of the pub,

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and his job was purely to introduce the acts

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and keep order, with his gavel,

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and make sure that everybody... make sure they ordered drinks.

0:22:310:22:35

When he says, "Order! Order!" - order the drinks, order the food.

0:22:350:22:38

He would get some talented local amateurs in

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and give them a few bob to sing and he would then compere the show,

0:22:420:22:45

so the chairman developed into a bit of a personality of his own, really.

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So, what would the chairman be doing then when the acts were on stage?

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How did the evening unfold?

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He would be actually facing the audience with a mirror on a table

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and he'd look through the mirror at the acts behind,

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to make sure there was nothing going on on stage that shouldn't be.

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His job, really, is to keep an eye on the audience

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because it was a very rowdy house indeed.

0:23:060:23:08

When you say rowdy, what kind of audience behaviour are we talking?

0:23:080:23:11

Just shouting out?

0:23:110:23:12

Shouting and throwing things. They were very good at throwing things.

0:23:120:23:15

There were lots of acts, there were no breaks

0:23:150:23:18

and if an act didn't turn up - quite a lot of them did

0:23:180:23:21

about two or three shows a night - so if they didn't turn up,

0:23:210:23:23

another act would go in its place, or the chairman would sing,

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and he would say, "Now it's time for the chairman to do his song."

0:23:260:23:30

And we're here in Hoxton Hall, used Macdonald's Music Hall,

0:23:300:23:34

it's got a very fine history, this building.

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So, who would have come to a hall like this?

0:23:370:23:39

It's working-class people.

0:23:390:23:41

It was a people's entertainment

0:23:410:23:43

and they would spend pence on getting in.

0:23:430:23:45

Upstairs even cheaper, upper circle, bit more.

0:23:450:23:49

Downstairs, food and drink. Occasionally, you'd get the nobs

0:23:490:23:52

from the West End, who would drop in, but that wasn't very regular.

0:23:520:23:56

They had their own music halls to go to.

0:23:560:23:58

It was the people's entertainment and the people came out to see it.

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They loved it.

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Well, I'm glad I won't be facing a 19th-century crowd at the end of this.

0:24:070:24:12

I've certainly got a new-found respect for the stamina of these music-hall performers.

0:24:120:24:17

So, here's a slightly strange thing.

0:24:180:24:20

I'm just off to see, well,

0:24:200:24:23

what I'm told is the closest I'll ever get to Dan Leno live.

0:24:230:24:28

Yes, Dan Leno.

0:24:290:24:31

The tragical, comical history of the hard-boiled egg and the wasp.

0:24:330:24:40

# A hard-boiled egg on the table lay

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# As hard-boiled eggs often do, do, do

0:24:470:24:51

# A gentle wasp charged past that way

0:24:510:24:55

# And in through the open window flew

0:24:550:24:59

# And the wasps saw the hard-boiled egg's pale face

0:24:590:25:03

# As it lay there alone in that lonely place

0:25:030:25:07

# Dearest, I am with you I am by your side

0:25:070:25:11

# Give me just one word of hope That sad wasp cried

0:25:110:25:16

# But not one word said the hard-boiled egg

0:25:180:25:22

# The hard-boiled egg The hard-boiled egg

0:25:220:25:26

# And what a silly wasp for just one word to beg

0:25:260:25:30

# For...

0:25:300:25:32

# You can't get any sense out of a hard-boiled...

0:25:320:25:35

# Hard-boiled...

0:25:350:25:37

# Oh! Boil the egg! #

0:25:370:25:39

-Magnificent.

-Good to see you.

0:25:440:25:47

Where have I seen you before?

0:25:470:25:49

So, the hat's off, now you become Tony Lidington for a second.

0:25:500:25:53

I can be me again.

0:25:530:25:54

OK, so, Dan Leno, do you think all this stuff you read about him,

0:25:540:26:00

that he was the funniest man on Earth, and all that, is it fair?

0:26:000:26:05

Thousands and thousands of people adored him.

0:26:050:26:08

He was the highest-paid entertainer of the age.

0:26:080:26:10

Fairly eccentric and fairly bizarre.

0:26:100:26:12

I mean, a song about an egg and a wasp

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-in itself is kind of a bit weird.

-It's a great combo.

0:26:150:26:18

It's the sort of thing you might get a pub called now.

0:26:180:26:20

The Hard-boiled Egg and the Wasp.

0:26:200:26:22

He came down to London.

0:26:220:26:26

I've sort of come to think of him, with what little I know, as maybe

0:26:260:26:31

the first-ever stand-up comedian.

0:26:310:26:34

Is that a reasonable description?

0:26:340:26:36

He became synonymous with this idea of having

0:26:360:26:39

an interlude in the song, where he would have no accompaniment

0:26:390:26:43

and just deliver his material, his shtick, as it were,

0:26:430:26:47

and so, for that, people often say he was the first stand-up.

0:26:470:26:50

He was alone on stage, no mic, with 2,000, maybe 3,000 people

0:26:500:26:54

in front of him, performing,

0:26:540:26:56

and with the pit band in front of him, maybe nine or more,

0:26:560:26:58

and he would be able to top all that, fill the stage.

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But he couldn't do that from the centre,

0:27:010:27:03

he had that same manic energy that, you know, Lee Evans has got now,

0:27:030:27:07

and with that he was able to electrify an audience.

0:27:070:27:10

# My mind's made up I'm going to marry him

0:27:100:27:14

# He'll have to come to church If he don't, I'll carry him

0:27:140:27:17

# For five and twenty years I've had my eye on Jim

0:27:170:27:21

# If he won't marry me then I'll marry him. #

0:27:210:27:24

He portrayed people that were recognisable then and recognisable now.

0:27:250:27:30

They're all people with a kind of lower-middle-class profession,

0:27:300:27:33

and that was the audience that was starting to come,

0:27:330:27:36

that was the mass audience at the end of the 19th and

0:27:360:27:38

start of the 20th century, and they were recognisable. They were real.

0:27:380:27:41

So when he started to play people like Mrs Kelly, which was perhaps

0:27:410:27:45

his most famous character, it's that gossip who lived next door.

0:27:450:27:49

It's like Les Dawson, it's the person who you instantly recognise.

0:27:490:27:53

It is a time before television, it's a time before moving pictures,

0:27:530:27:57

so it's a time before there was any sense of things being focused in.

0:27:570:28:01

You have to create that focus with your acting.

0:28:010:28:05

'I don't want to let Tony or Dan Leno down. The pressure!'

0:28:060:28:10

Is it a good idea?

0:28:120:28:14

# For 25 years I've been doing my... #

0:28:140:28:17

Is that... What's that?

0:28:170:28:18

PIANIST PLAYS TUNE

0:28:180:28:21

# For 25 years I've been doing my best to make Jim Johnson a match

0:28:210:28:25

# I've done everything but ask him point-blank

0:28:250:28:27

# But he won't come up to the scratch

0:28:270:28:30

# Of course I know Jim's very partial to me

0:28:300:28:32

# Though never one word has he said

0:28:320:28:34

# Though this morning I passed where he's building a house

0:28:340:28:38

# And he dropped a large slate on my head... #

0:28:380:28:42

You're there, mate.

0:28:420:28:44

You're within spitting distance.

0:28:440:28:47

Yes, yes, I'm in the same postcode as the melody line,

0:28:470:28:50

but I'm not in exactly the right house.

0:28:500:28:53

So, I really enjoyed meeting Tony.

0:28:550:28:57

I loved watching him perform The Hard-boiled Egg And The Wasp.

0:28:570:29:01

It gave me a sense of what Leno was like, I think

0:29:010:29:04

probably for the first time, because all I've seen is photos

0:29:040:29:07

and heard scratchy old recordings.

0:29:070:29:09

And he was great. And also, his love and enthusiasm

0:29:090:29:13

for Leno provided a sort of a bridge to me, it gave me some access,

0:29:130:29:18

you know, across the years, to this mysterious figure.

0:29:180:29:22

So he was brilliant, really, really helpful,

0:29:220:29:25

and I feel he's kind of...

0:29:250:29:26

he's opened the door for me a bit, which is fantastic.

0:29:260:29:29

While Frank's getting to grips with Dan Leno,

0:29:320:29:35

I'm trying to get under the skin of Marie Lloyd.

0:29:350:29:38

I need to understand how women like her in the 19th century

0:29:390:29:42

managed to defy their social status to take centre stage.

0:29:420:29:46

Two feisty women who paved the way were Jenny Hill and Bessie Bellwood,

0:29:460:29:51

a new breed of female singers called seriocomics.

0:29:510:29:55

# I am a girl what's doing very well in the vegetable line... #

0:29:550:30:00

Seriocomics would tend to portray sort of the market sellers and

0:30:000:30:04

the coster women and the servant girls,

0:30:040:30:06

and would show elements of their lives.

0:30:060:30:08

With Hill particularly, she came from a very working-class

0:30:080:30:11

kind of background, as did Bessie Bellwood,

0:30:110:30:14

and most of the performers at the time, they did kind of then know

0:30:140:30:16

the streets and they knew the people that they were portraying.

0:30:160:30:19

She was asked once by an interviewer about how she got that life-like

0:30:190:30:22

image of an East End girl, and she said, "Well, from life, of course.

0:30:220:30:25

"I go down to the shops and I buy the same clothes

0:30:250:30:28

"and I see what they are doing."

0:30:280:30:30

One more!

0:30:300:30:31

# What cheer, Ria

0:30:310:30:33

# Ria's on the job

0:30:330:30:35

# What cheer, Ria... #

0:30:350:30:37

With Bessie Bellwood, she was very boisterous in her performances

0:30:370:30:40

and she was very good at putting down hecklers, so I think a lot

0:30:400:30:42

of people watched to see how she'd put down hecklers in the crowd

0:30:420:30:46

and she was a very typical kind of coster girl who would,

0:30:460:30:50

you know, sing all of these songs that they'd hear on the market,

0:30:500:30:53

but also, there was an added sort of dimension to her that, in real life,

0:30:530:30:58

she was constantly up on assault charges,

0:30:580:31:01

she was up on all sorts of

0:31:010:31:02

non-payment of bills and things like that,

0:31:020:31:05

so the audiences knew that she was a bit of a bad girl in real life.

0:31:050:31:08

When you think of somebody like Marie Lloyd,

0:31:090:31:12

how huge a star she was, people like Jenny Hill

0:31:120:31:15

and Bessie Bellwood really set the template for that.

0:31:150:31:18

Definitely, and the times when she was attending the halls

0:31:180:31:22

and had got the idea of going on stage was when Jenny Hill

0:31:220:31:25

and Bessie Bellwood were at their height, so she would have seen

0:31:250:31:28

these performers and, certainly, she was often praised for

0:31:280:31:31

the fact that she would know exactly what was in a charwoman's handbag,

0:31:310:31:35

so if she got up on stage she could perform the patter perfectly

0:31:350:31:37

and she'd know exactly the right level to lift your skirt up

0:31:370:31:40

to show a particular type of woman.

0:31:400:31:42

She definitely had that realistic sort of side to her but,

0:31:420:31:45

again, she was definitely tabloid fodder as well.

0:31:450:31:48

I'm beginning to understand the toughness of Marie Lloyd now,

0:31:490:31:53

and she really would need it to survive in music hall.

0:31:530:31:56

Born Matilda Wood in 1870's Shoreditch, she took to the stage

0:31:560:32:00

as Marie Lloyd aged just 15,

0:32:000:32:03

appearing at places like the Britannia Saloon.

0:32:030:32:05

She continued to scramble her way to the top,

0:32:050:32:08

to be called the queen of the music hall.

0:32:080:32:11

Of course it would be extremely convenient, Suzy, wouldn't it,

0:32:110:32:14

if we could go back in time and actually meet these people?

0:32:140:32:17

Well, I'm going to do the next best thing. It's back to Wilton's.

0:32:170:32:21

I'm told Jan Hunt's there

0:32:210:32:23

and if anyone knows Marie first-hand, it's her.

0:32:230:32:26

# ..Stamped all over them

0:32:260:32:28

# Oh, I felt sorry for the lady and the chap

0:32:280:32:31

# So I says to 'em, 'scuse me If you want to have a cuddle

0:32:310:32:38

# Have a cuddle cos I'm gonna have a nap

0:32:380:32:42

# I always hold in having it if you fancy it

0:32:440:32:49

# If you fancy it That's understood

0:32:490:32:53

# I'll be dreaming while you spoon

0:32:530:32:56

# That I'm on my honeymoon Phwoar!

0:32:560:33:01

# A little of what you fancy does you good

0:33:010:33:06

# Oh, I always hold in having it if you fancy it

0:33:060:33:10

# If you fancy it...

0:33:100:33:12

# Oh, I fancy him!

0:33:120:33:13

# And suppose it makes you fat I don't worry over that

0:33:130:33:17

# Cos a little of what you fancy A little of what you fancy

0:33:170:33:21

# Little of what you fancy does you good. #

0:33:210:33:24

Oh, yeah!

0:33:240:33:26

Fantastic.

0:33:270:33:29

So, what made Marie Lloyd so popular with audiences?

0:33:310:33:35

Why did they love her so much?

0:33:350:33:37

She sang for the people, she sang to them, she didn't sing at them.

0:33:370:33:41

She played every one of them, she took in all the downstairs,

0:33:410:33:45

she took the circle, she took in the gallery.

0:33:450:33:49

And she just made her audience feel that she was there for them.

0:33:500:33:54

And she was vulgar but she was humorous.

0:33:540:33:57

The song about the young girl travelling by train

0:33:570:33:59

on her own for the first time, you know, when she gets to

0:33:590:34:02

the barrier and they ask to see her ticket and she says,

0:34:020:34:05

# I told 'em all, I'd never had me ticket punched before. #

0:34:050:34:09

Well, that can all be a very innocent line but Marie does it...

0:34:090:34:12

# I told 'em all, I'd never had my ticket punched before. #

0:34:120:34:17

And you know exactly what's behind it.

0:34:170:34:19

When you think about the people who came before, the Jenny Hills

0:34:190:34:23

and the Bessie Bellwoods, and then on to Marie Lloyd,

0:34:230:34:26

these were women who were so obviously incredibly talented,

0:34:260:34:28

they could have had a career in straight theatre,

0:34:280:34:31

but evidently working in music hall gave them something else.

0:34:310:34:34

Why did they come to these places?

0:34:340:34:36

Music-hall audiences are very, very important.

0:34:360:34:38

You want them to answer you back, you want them to sing,

0:34:380:34:41

you want them to throw out the ad-libs so that you can come back at them,

0:34:410:34:45

and she sang to the toffs, she sang to those with a bit more money

0:34:450:34:49

but Marie's heart was with the people up in the gallery.

0:34:490:34:53

# I'm a young girl and I've just come over

0:35:030:35:07

# Over from the country where they do things big

0:35:070:35:11

# And amongst the boys I've got a lover

0:35:120:35:16

# Since I've got a lover Why, I don't give a fig... #

0:35:160:35:22

'The Boy I Love Is Up In The Gallery was the song that first made

0:35:220:35:26

'Marie Lloyd famous as a teenage music-hall performer.'

0:35:260:35:30

# The boy I love is looking down at me... #

0:35:300:35:32

See him.

0:35:320:35:34

# ..There he is, can't you see?

0:35:340:35:37

# Waving his handkerchief... #

0:35:370:35:41

Now to the audience.

0:35:410:35:43

# ..As merry as a robin that sings on a tree. #

0:35:430:35:51

CHEERING

0:35:530:35:56

Dan Leno and Marie Lloyd were treading the boards

0:36:000:36:03

at the very moment that music hall was taking off.

0:36:030:36:06

But it wasn't just the working-class scoundrels like myself in the halls now.

0:36:080:36:12

The allure of music hall was spreading beyond the working class.

0:36:130:36:17

In particular, a new breed of audience member appeared -

0:36:170:36:20

the toffs.

0:36:200:36:22

So, I imagine these toffs, these fashionable icons...

0:36:240:36:27

what did they wear?

0:36:270:36:29

It was flamboyance, gaudiness, being a male peacock.

0:36:290:36:33

Bright colours.

0:36:330:36:35

You'd carry a cane with a silver top to it.

0:36:350:36:38

You would generally flounce about in these garments

0:36:380:36:42

and consider yourself a picture to be looked at.

0:36:420:36:46

And, remember, in the audience you've got young men

0:36:460:36:49

that are wondering what to do with their leisure time

0:36:490:36:51

and they are shopkeepers, clerks, they've got a bit of money.

0:36:510:36:55

They want to emulate that type of person.

0:36:550:36:58

The appearance of the toffs at the music halls inspired

0:36:590:37:02

one of the period's greatest hits, Champagne Charlie.

0:37:020:37:06

It was sung by dashing working-class boy George Leybourne,

0:37:060:37:10

part of a group of male singers called the Lion Comique,

0:37:100:37:14

a sort of Victorian Rat Pack.

0:37:140:37:16

-So, George Leybourne, he was an enormous star.

-Yes.

0:37:180:37:24

It was Champagne Charlie that did it for him.

0:37:240:37:27

It grew and grew in popularity

0:37:270:37:29

until it became THE song associated with him.

0:37:290:37:33

It really took him over

0:37:330:37:35

because he just became known as Champagne Charlie.

0:37:350:37:38

He was reported to drink a lot of Champagne, yes,

0:37:380:37:42

-but by the pint, in tankards.

-Oh, OK!

0:37:420:37:45

It's fabulous.

0:37:450:37:47

That's what happens when two classes collide!

0:37:470:37:50

It is interesting to me because I was part, not deliberately,

0:37:500:37:54

of a phenomena known as the New Lads in the '90s,

0:37:540:37:57

and it had an element of this, cos it had a laddish, drinking,

0:37:570:38:00

womanising culture, but also, people liked to dress smartly

0:38:000:38:04

and started caring about fashion, so there are definite echoes in this.

0:38:040:38:08

As I'm at Wilton's Music Hall, well, I thought I'd give

0:38:100:38:14

this 19th-century lad culture a go.

0:38:140:38:16

So, are you ready, Frank?

0:38:190:38:22

Yes, I think so.

0:38:220:38:24

DRUMROLL

0:38:240:38:27

# I've seen a deal of gaiety throughout my noisy life

0:38:360:38:43

# For all my grand accomplishments I ne'er could get a wife

0:38:430:38:48

# The thing that I excel in is the PRFG game

0:38:490:38:55

# I noise all night

0:38:550:38:58

# I sleep all day

0:38:580:39:01

# And swimming in Champagne

0:39:010:39:05

# For...

0:39:050:39:08

-# Champagne Charlie is my name

-Yes!

0:39:080:39:12

-# Champagne Charlie is my name

-Yes!

0:39:120:39:17

# Good for any game at night, my boys

0:39:170:39:21

# Good for any game at night, my boys

0:39:210:39:25

-# Champagne Charlie is my name

-Yes!

0:39:250:39:29

-# Champagne Charlie is my name

-Yes!

0:39:290:39:34

# Good for any game at night, boys

0:39:340:39:38

# All come and join me on a spree. #

0:39:380:39:40

Let's dance!

0:39:400:39:42

'Just to think I'm treading the same boards as George Leybourne himself.

0:39:440:39:49

'You know, I really could get into Champagne Charlie!'

0:39:490:39:53

Yes, Frank, not sure about the whiskers, though.

0:39:530:39:56

Entertainers like Leybourne weren't just performers, they were stars,

0:39:570:40:02

and their fans expected them to appear at several venues a night,

0:40:020:40:05

so they could see their signature routines.

0:40:050:40:08

That's a lot of Champagne to get through.

0:40:080:40:10

Charles Dickens's son offered advice to potential newcomers to music hall.

0:40:120:40:18

He said, "It's undesirable to visit many of these establishments

0:40:180:40:21

"on the same evening, as it's quite possible to go to

0:40:210:40:25

"four or five halls in different parts of the town and to find

0:40:250:40:28

"widely diverse stages occupied by the same sets of performers."

0:40:280:40:32

Come on, Suzy, put your back into it, we've got another five music halls to get to!

0:40:340:40:38

Yes m'lud.

0:40:380:40:40

Not to be outdone by Frank, I'm back to see my mentor Jan Hunt

0:40:480:40:52

to take my Marie Lloyd act up a notch.

0:40:520:40:55

Marie didn't always sing sweet songs about boys in galleries.

0:40:560:41:00

By the 1890s, she was really pushing the boundaries

0:41:000:41:04

of what was legally and socially acceptable.

0:41:040:41:07

Jan looks a bit different from when I saw her last.

0:41:070:41:10

# I lost me way... #

0:41:100:41:12

-Hello.

-Hi, sweetie!

-How are you?

0:41:120:41:14

-Nice to see you.

-Fine. Lovely to see you.

0:41:140:41:16

-Hi, I'm Suzy.

-This is Lawrence.

-Hi, Lawrence. Great to meet you.

0:41:160:41:19

Jan, I've gone away, I did my homework exactly like you said.

0:41:190:41:23

Ten out of ten!

0:41:230:41:24

I've read up more about Marie, I've listened to some songs

0:41:240:41:28

and the thing I was thinking was, the song we did before,

0:41:280:41:31

The Boy In The Gallery, gorgeous and sweet,

0:41:310:41:33

but the more I've read about her, the more I've realised that,

0:41:330:41:36

as the career went on, she got a bit naughtier, a bit more risque.

0:41:360:41:40

Oh, she did, yes.

0:41:400:41:42

I just thought, is there a song that I could learn that really

0:41:420:41:45

kind of typifies the big, high point of Marie.

0:41:450:41:47

-Expresses the way she was developing, yes.

-Yes.

0:41:470:41:49

Well, there is. Well, Morning Promenade is a very good one

0:41:490:41:54

because that's when she gets quite cheeky with her skirts.

0:41:540:41:56

You know, before, it would be a little touch of the skirt.

0:41:560:41:59

Now the skirt develops and it gets higher and higher.

0:41:590:42:01

Plus, she would do a lot of this

0:42:010:42:03

so there'd be a little bit of showing the decolletage.

0:42:030:42:08

'Now down to the serious business of rehearsing.'

0:42:100:42:13

Now, how would Marie have sung or said these words?

0:42:150:42:18

-Just give us a...

-She would have spoken that.

-Go on, then.

0:42:180:42:21

When I take my morning promenade,

0:42:210:42:24

quite a fashion card on the promenade.

0:42:240:42:28

-And then maybe go into the singing.

-OK.

0:42:280:42:30

# Oh, I don't mind nice boys staring hard

0:42:300:42:34

# If it satisfies their desire. #

0:42:340:42:38

-So...

-BOTH:

-When I take my morning promenade,

0:42:400:42:44

quite a fashion card on the promenade

0:42:440:42:48

Oh, I don't...

0:42:480:42:49

Swap the stick over.

0:42:490:42:51

..I don't mind nice boys staring hard...

0:42:510:42:54

Only a little bit.

0:42:540:42:55

..If it satisfies their desire.

0:42:550:42:58

That's it.

0:42:580:43:00

When I take my morning promenade,

0:43:000:43:04

quite a fashion card on the promenade.

0:43:040:43:09

# Oh, I don't mind nice boys staring hard

0:43:090:43:13

# If it satisfies their desire

0:43:130:43:17

Good girl, and then often she used to do...

0:43:170:43:19

# Satisfy their desire... #

0:43:190:43:21

And then a little kick of the foot.

0:43:210:43:22

# Their desire. #

0:43:220:43:24

That's it.

0:43:240:43:25

And then she would walk to include that side of her audience.

0:43:250:43:29

-BOTH:

-# Do you think my dress is a little bit

0:43:290:43:32

# Just a little bit

0:43:320:43:35

# Not too much of it?

0:43:350:43:37

# Though it shows my shape just a little bit

0:43:370:43:41

# That's the little bit the boys admire. #

0:43:410:43:45

Then she'd go back.

0:43:450:43:48

You make a statement with the stick at the end, which is lovely.

0:43:500:43:53

-That's great.

-It's harder than it looks.

-It is.

0:43:530:43:57

-So, I've been trying to practise my Marie Lloyd act.

-Oh, yes.

0:44:020:44:07

I probably haven't been doing as much homework as I should,

0:44:070:44:10

being honest, but I'm finding her really difficult.

0:44:100:44:14

It feels something like a very long way away in history.

0:44:140:44:18

I don't know if I just need the dress, or I need the hat,

0:44:190:44:22

or I need something, but trying to do her shtick of funny and naughty

0:44:220:44:27

and a bit kind of classy and yet lowbrow,

0:44:270:44:30

plus movement, plus a song.

0:44:300:44:33

It's a bit of a tough call.

0:44:330:44:35

How's the world of Dan Leno?

0:44:350:44:38

Are you trying it at home, by the way?

0:44:380:44:40

Are the family sort of thinking, "Why is Mum doing that?"

0:44:400:44:44

Yeah, I mean, they're slightly getting used to me

0:44:440:44:47

wandering around with 19th-century teeth, trying to do that.

0:44:470:44:51

I've been wandering around with 19th-century teeth for years.

0:44:510:44:54

How are the teeth with Dan Leno?

0:44:550:44:58

-Is that working out for you?

-He never shows his teeth, Dan Leno.

0:44:580:45:01

No, really, Dan Leno always does this Stan Laurel type smile.

0:45:010:45:04

-And...

-Maybe his teeth were worse than Marie Lloyd's, if that's possible.

0:45:050:45:09

Maybe there are no teeth.

0:45:090:45:10

What I like about Dan Leno is, he clearly loves words and language.

0:45:100:45:14

You can tell him just enjoying stuff like "chloroform"

0:45:140:45:19

and stuff like that that he just chucks in,

0:45:190:45:21

and I've got that sort of slight obsessiveness about words as well,

0:45:210:45:26

so I'm enjoying that.

0:45:260:45:28

I've found a bit of a common bond, I think, between us.

0:45:280:45:32

And some of the stuff is funny, you don't know why,

0:45:320:45:35

just cos he's chosen exactly the right word, and that's beautiful.

0:45:350:45:38

And you get wear a frock. I can't wait to see you in your dress.

0:45:380:45:41

Yeah, it's... I wouldn't say it was slinky.

0:45:410:45:45

-You can't have everything.

-No.

0:45:450:45:47

Marie Lloyd and Dan Leno had to work really hard

0:45:500:45:53

to keep their acts fresh for their growing audiences.

0:45:530:45:56

The increased demand for entertainment in turn led to

0:45:580:46:01

the building of Shaftesbury Avenue and the creation of the West End.

0:46:010:46:05

But singing stars like Lloyd and Leno

0:46:060:46:09

were just one part of the entertainment on offer.

0:46:090:46:11

To give you an idea of the sort of variety of acts you might see,

0:46:140:46:18

this is Dickens' Dictionary Of London by Charles Dickens's son.

0:46:180:46:22

He lists some entertainers - the sort of thing you might expect -

0:46:220:46:26

performing animals and ventriloquists,

0:46:260:46:28

but also winners of walking matches, shipwrecked sailors,

0:46:280:46:34

velocipedists, decanter equilibrists,

0:46:340:46:38

living models of marble gems,

0:46:380:46:41

fire princes, mysterious youths,

0:46:410:46:45

spiral bicycle ascensionists,

0:46:450:46:48

flying children and, my own favourite,

0:46:480:46:50

Mexican boneless wonders.

0:46:500:46:54

Oh, Mexican boneless wonders! Couldn't you just eat one of those?!

0:46:540:46:58

Victorian audiences now expected to be astounded as well as entertained.

0:47:010:47:05

Magicians and spiritualists drew in the crowds in the late 19th century

0:47:060:47:11

as theatre-goers became fascinated with invention and the paranormal.

0:47:110:47:15

And even more shocking than Marie Lloyd was the arrival on stage

0:47:170:47:20

of a new scientific discovery.

0:47:200:47:23

Electric acts quickly appeared in the hall.

0:47:250:47:27

Chief among them was Walford Bodie,

0:47:270:47:30

whose speciality act was sending several thousand volts

0:47:300:47:33

of electricity through his glamorous assistants.

0:47:330:47:36

Lights off, please.

0:47:360:47:38

Now, can I establish that you're not actually Walford Bodie?

0:47:400:47:44

I'm not actually Dr Walford Bodie, MD, no.

0:47:440:47:47

-This is just in the style of Walford Bodie.

-So, who was he?

0:47:470:47:50

Walford Bodie was one of the highest-paid

0:47:500:47:52

and most popular entertainers of his day.

0:47:520:47:55

In the late 19th century, he was top of the bill in every music hall,

0:47:550:47:58

every theatre in the UK, he was one of the best speciality acts.

0:47:580:48:01

So he was doing, basically, weird stuff on stage.

0:48:010:48:05

He'd charge himself up with the electricity,

0:48:050:48:07

he could do anything, he could cure the sick, he could hypnotise people,

0:48:070:48:11

at least that's what he said on his playbills.

0:48:110:48:13

So electricity was still quite a novelty thing,

0:48:130:48:16

and people weren't used to it,

0:48:160:48:18

so it's kind of like if I did an act now in which I used the sat nav

0:48:180:48:22

and no-one had seen it before and they were going, "Whoa!" and all that.

0:48:220:48:25

That is it, yes. And nobody knew about electricity at that time

0:48:250:48:28

so he really took advantage of it.

0:48:280:48:30

And did he work alone on stage, or did he have what we

0:48:300:48:33

normally would look for in a magician, the glamorous assistant?

0:48:330:48:37

Well, Bodie did use a glamorous assistant,

0:48:370:48:39

he married several of them, actually.

0:48:390:48:42

One of them was called La Belle Electra,

0:48:420:48:44

and La Belle Electra would also get attached to these machines and

0:48:440:48:47

using the power of Bodie's special Bodic force, as he called it,

0:48:470:48:50

she would also withstand the power of electricity.

0:48:500:48:53

Have you got a Bodic force?

0:48:530:48:55

Um, I might develop one during this.

0:48:550:48:57

Did he use dangerous electricity, or did he just pretend to?

0:48:570:49:01

Well, he used machines that... Nowadays, we would consider them quite dangerous.

0:49:010:49:05

The things that I'm using here are the modern versions, producing the

0:49:050:49:09

same amount of electricity, but just a bit less likely to kill anybody.

0:49:090:49:12

OK.

0:49:120:49:13

On a score out of 100, how likely are they to kill somebody?

0:49:130:49:17

Cos I'm thinking that I might actually take the role

0:49:170:49:21

of La Belle Electra. It seems I was born for that.

0:49:210:49:24

-OK, shall I mount the plate?

-You certainly can.

0:49:240:49:27

Is there any things I definitely shouldn't do?

0:49:270:49:30

Don't touch the floor.

0:49:300:49:32

No, don't touch the floor, and if you've got a pacemaker, turn it off now.

0:49:320:49:35

Oh!

0:49:370:49:38

That's...

0:49:380:49:40

At last I'm in light entertainment!

0:49:400:49:42

'With 50,000 volts running through my body,

0:49:420:49:45

'I'm starting to think this stuff's got a bit of comic potential.'

0:49:450:49:48

Oh!

0:49:480:49:49

Goalkeeper.

0:49:490:49:51

Sir Edmund Hillary.

0:49:520:49:54

Man with his head trapped

0:49:540:49:56

in a lift door.

0:49:560:49:58

Can you open the... Can you open the...

0:49:590:50:01

Can you just open the door?

0:50:010:50:03

Audiences at the end of the 19th century demanded a wow factor with their entertainment.

0:50:030:50:09

And as the bright lights of Shaftesbury Avenue lit up for the first time,

0:50:090:50:13

music-hall entertainers like Leno and Lloyd were entering a new era.

0:50:130:50:18

But before we say goodbye to the 19th century,

0:50:210:50:24

it's back we go to the gas-lit world of the music hall...

0:50:240:50:28

..where it's finally time to see if Suzy and I

0:50:280:50:31

can bring Dan Leno and Marie Lloyd back to life.

0:50:310:50:34

-Ow!

-I'm sorry.

-Genuinely ow!

0:50:340:50:37

I'm very sorry. I'm really sorry.

0:50:370:50:39

See how difficult she is!

0:50:390:50:40

He's a bit Cara Delevingne!

0:50:400:50:42

-So, I'm actually playing Dan Leno playing a woman today.

-Right.

0:50:440:50:50

I thought I'd up my game and do a double-whammy impression,

0:50:500:50:55

whereas you've taken the easy route of being a woman playing a woman.

0:50:550:51:00

-She's not...

-I mean, you are halfway there.

0:51:000:51:02

She's not that easy, Marie Lloyd,

0:51:020:51:04

cos she had total star quality, which...I'm...

0:51:040:51:10

I'm somewhat searching around for.

0:51:100:51:13

The thing I love, I've chosen this Marie Lloyd song,

0:51:130:51:16

which does have that brilliant thing of taking something very biblical,

0:51:160:51:21

you know, what seems like a very nice high Victorian subject

0:51:210:51:24

-and turning it into such filth.

-OK!

0:51:240:51:26

It's really smutty.

0:51:260:51:28

I was just trying out my Dan Leno mouth.

0:51:330:51:37

Let's see it.

0:51:370:51:38

-They said that Dan Leno... he had a look.

-That looks like...

0:51:400:51:43

-They said Stan Laurel...

-I was going to say it's the Stan Laurel smile.

0:51:430:51:47

-They say Stan Laurel took his smile from Dan Leno.

-Show us again. Yeah.

0:51:470:51:51

And that Chaplin took... He used to dress, like, in this shabby...

0:51:520:51:56

baggy trousers and a long coat so that Chaplin, he...

0:51:560:52:00

You know, there were all these young comics there watching Leno and...

0:52:000:52:04

not nicking his stuff so much, but being massively influenced by him.

0:52:040:52:08

But it's interesting. You sort of think comedy starts with

0:52:080:52:11

those guys, like Laurel and Hardy and Chaplin, not comedy,

0:52:110:52:14

but the comedy we know, cos it's on record, cos there's films of them.

0:52:140:52:17

Mmm.

0:52:170:52:18

Well, one plus about this is that nobody really knows

0:52:180:52:23

what Dan Leno...what he looked like and what he moved like and

0:52:230:52:27

stuff like that, so they can't really shoot me down for getting it wrong.

0:52:270:52:31

-There might be a plus to being a non-performer.

-Really?

0:52:310:52:35

Cos I find that you start doing it and then I'm thinking,

0:52:350:52:39

"Oh, no, that was just me, that was just me doing a line,

0:52:390:52:44

"rather than Dan Leno doing a line,"

0:52:440:52:47

so at least you're coming with a blank page.

0:52:470:52:51

And you are a performer as well, in that you...

0:52:510:52:55

-Communicate, you communicate for a living.

-Frank, I talk.

0:52:570:53:00

You do work in a call centre, don't you?

0:53:000:53:02

Good evening, ladies and gentlemen.

0:53:150:53:20

Good evening!

0:53:200:53:23

I bring to you Miss Marie Lloyd.

0:53:230:53:28

CHEERING

0:53:280:53:30

# Fancy the girls in the prehistoric days

0:53:320:53:35

# Each wore a bearskin to cover up her fair skin

0:53:350:53:39

# Lately Salome has charmed us to be sure

0:53:390:53:43

# Wearing just a row of beads and not much more

0:53:430:53:48

# Fancy me dressing like that too

0:53:480:53:52

# I'm sure the Daily Mirror man would love an interview

0:53:520:53:57

# As I take my morning promenade

0:53:570:54:04

# Quite a fashion card on the promenade

0:54:040:54:08

# Now, I don't mind nice boys staring hard

0:54:080:54:12

# If it satisfies their desire

0:54:120:54:15

# Do you think my dress is a little bit

0:54:150:54:20

# Just a little bit

0:54:200:54:22

# Not too much of it

0:54:220:54:24

# If it shows my shape just a little bit

0:54:240:54:28

# That's the little bit boys admire

0:54:280:54:32

# If it shows my shape just a little bit

0:54:320:54:36

# That's the little bit the boys admire. #

0:54:360:54:41

APPLAUSE

0:54:410:54:43

Carrying all before her.

0:54:470:54:49

-I did it! I did it!

-Brilliant.

0:54:510:54:54

God, it was actually like standing in the wings at the music hall

0:54:540:54:57

-watching Marie Lloyd.

-No, it wasn't.

0:54:570:54:59

It really was how I imagine it would be. Dan Leno waiting to go on.

0:54:590:55:02

I really, totally enjoyed it, it was great.

0:55:020:55:06

Ladies and gentlemen, the delectable Dan Leno.

0:55:060:55:11

APPLAUSE

0:55:110:55:13

Good luck, you're on, you're on, you're on. Good luck!

0:55:130:55:16

Good luck! Go for it.

0:55:160:55:19

# For 25 years I've been doing my best to make Jim Johnson a match

0:55:230:55:29

# I've done everything but ask him point-blank

0:55:290:55:32

# But he won't come up to the scratch

0:55:320:55:34

# Of course I know Jim's very partial to me

0:55:340:55:37

# Though never one word has he said

0:55:370:55:40

# But this morning I passed where he's building a house

0:55:400:55:44

# And he dropped a large slate on my head... #

0:55:440:55:49

Of course he did that more really to draw my attention, you see.

0:55:510:55:54

Oh, but you know, Jim's a totally different man.

0:55:540:55:57

Jim does love me, you know.

0:55:570:55:59

And he's lodging now with Mrs Kelly.

0:55:590:56:02

You know, Mrs Kelly.

0:56:040:56:07

You know Mrs Kelly.

0:56:070:56:09

Don't you know Mrs Kelly?

0:56:100:56:12

Her husband's that little stout man

0:56:120:56:14

always on the corner of the street in a greasy waistcoat.

0:56:140:56:17

Good life, don't look so stupid.

0:56:180:56:20

Don't you... You must know Mrs Kelly!

0:56:200:56:23

Don't...don't...

0:56:230:56:24

don't you know Mrs Kelly?

0:56:240:56:27

Well, of course, if you don't, you don't, but I thought you did

0:56:270:56:30

because I thought everybody knew Mrs Kelly.

0:56:300:56:32

Still, here I am talking to you about Mrs Kelly

0:56:320:56:35

and I want to talk to you about Jim.

0:56:350:56:37

# Oh, my mind's made up

0:56:370:56:41

# I'm going to marry him

0:56:410:56:43

# He'll have to come to church

0:56:430:56:44

# If he don't, I'll carry him

0:56:440:56:46

# For five and twenty years I've had my eye on Jim

0:56:460:56:50

# If he won't marry me I'll marry him

0:56:500:56:53

# If he won't marry me... #

0:56:530:56:56

Well, I'll insist upon it and take him to church myself

0:56:560:56:58

if I have to chloroform him.

0:56:580:57:00

Upon my word, I will, I'll have him!

0:57:000:57:02

CHEERING

0:57:030:57:06

'Next time - we enter the golden age of variety...'

0:57:320:57:36

Brilliant!

0:57:370:57:38

'..find out about the extraordinary acts of long-forgotten performers...'

0:57:380:57:43

If you see it done exactly how she would have done it,

0:57:430:57:45

it's still pretty jaw-dropping.

0:57:450:57:47

'..and discover if we've got what it takes...'

0:57:470:57:50

Hi!

0:57:500:57:51

'..to recreate the magic of the era's greatest stars.'

0:57:510:57:55

Pretty good.

0:57:570:57:58

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