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MUSIC: The Man Comes Around by Johnny Cash | 0:00:02 | 0:00:04 | |
100 years ago, young men like these were fighting in World War I. | 0:00:04 | 0:00:08 | |
Jab! Hand up... | 0:00:10 | 0:00:11 | |
Not many saw themselves as soldiers before they went. | 0:00:11 | 0:00:14 | |
I've been a fighter all my life, and it's a really tough sport. | 0:00:15 | 0:00:18 | |
We're taking ex-world champion boxer Richie Woodhall | 0:00:18 | 0:00:22 | |
out of the ring and into the lives of two brave Birmingham brothers. | 0:00:22 | 0:00:27 | |
Two men whose world-famous family | 0:00:27 | 0:00:29 | |
objected to the very concept of war. | 0:00:29 | 0:00:32 | |
I just can't imagine what it must have been like. | 0:00:32 | 0:00:36 | |
Our little island managed to mobilise | 0:00:36 | 0:00:39 | |
over six million fighting men between 1914 and 1918. | 0:00:39 | 0:00:44 | |
But many good lads just didn't come back. | 0:00:44 | 0:00:46 | |
Laurence and Egbert Cadbury both risked their lives, | 0:00:48 | 0:00:51 | |
but only one of them went to fight. | 0:00:51 | 0:00:54 | |
With special access to their private letters, | 0:00:54 | 0:00:56 | |
Richie's going to hear this dramatic war story in their own words. | 0:00:56 | 0:01:01 | |
A flaming picture, like the final scene in the tragedy of Ypres... | 0:01:01 | 0:01:05 | |
I heartily agree with you | 0:01:07 | 0:01:08 | |
in regards to this bloody murder that's going on. | 0:01:08 | 0:01:11 | |
Nearly all the men I know have been done in. | 0:01:11 | 0:01:14 | |
They were heirs to a chocolate fortune, | 0:01:14 | 0:01:16 | |
and wanted to do their bit for the country. | 0:01:16 | 0:01:18 | |
But, by joining the fight, | 0:01:18 | 0:01:21 | |
they risked tearing their famous family apart. | 0:01:21 | 0:01:24 | |
And 100 years ago, there would have been no ducking the big question - | 0:01:24 | 0:01:29 | |
will you fight? | 0:01:29 | 0:01:31 | |
Hidden away in the University of Birmingham archives | 0:01:43 | 0:01:46 | |
is a large collection of letters. | 0:01:46 | 0:01:48 | |
Two brothers wrote them during the First World War. | 0:01:48 | 0:01:52 | |
The Cadburys were a close family, | 0:01:52 | 0:01:54 | |
and while their sons Laurence and Egbert | 0:01:54 | 0:01:56 | |
were caught up in the conflict, | 0:01:56 | 0:01:58 | |
it was the only way they could keep in touch. | 0:01:58 | 0:02:01 | |
'Dear Bertie. All the guns in creation seem to be here. | 0:02:01 | 0:02:04 | |
'Everybody is having the usual lucky escapes, | 0:02:04 | 0:02:06 | |
'with shoulder straps being cut, | 0:02:06 | 0:02:07 | |
'holes punctured in their clothes, etc...' | 0:02:07 | 0:02:09 | |
..but our faith is still unshaken. | 0:02:11 | 0:02:13 | |
Laurence was the eldest, and the first to go. | 0:02:15 | 0:02:19 | |
He was 25 and working for the family firm | 0:02:19 | 0:02:22 | |
when Britain entered the war in August 1914. | 0:02:22 | 0:02:26 | |
Within a few months, he was at the front. | 0:02:26 | 0:02:30 | |
Egbert, known to everyone as Bertie, was still at university. | 0:02:30 | 0:02:35 | |
At six foot three, the 18-year-old stood out | 0:02:35 | 0:02:38 | |
among the 11 Cadbury children. | 0:02:38 | 0:02:40 | |
They were both fit, adventurous young men | 0:02:41 | 0:02:44 | |
from Bournville in Birmingham, | 0:02:44 | 0:02:45 | |
which is where Richie is heading. | 0:02:45 | 0:02:48 | |
I feel quite privileged and quite excited, really. | 0:02:49 | 0:02:52 | |
Excited because I want to know what the letters reveal, | 0:02:52 | 0:02:56 | |
and quite privileged because this is a world-famous family. | 0:02:56 | 0:02:59 | |
Bournville has an extraordinary story of its own. | 0:03:06 | 0:03:10 | |
Laurence and Bertie's father, George, | 0:03:10 | 0:03:12 | |
built the famous Cadbury factory here, and a whole village around it. | 0:03:12 | 0:03:16 | |
Using his wealth, | 0:03:16 | 0:03:17 | |
he took his workers out of the city slums to a better life. | 0:03:17 | 0:03:21 | |
We've asked historian Rebecca Wynter | 0:03:23 | 0:03:25 | |
to guide Richie through the Cadburys' war years. | 0:03:25 | 0:03:28 | |
Apart from chocolate, they were well-known Quakers. | 0:03:28 | 0:03:31 | |
George's faith made him a committed pacifist, | 0:03:32 | 0:03:35 | |
and he'd been an active campaigner against the controversial Boer War | 0:03:35 | 0:03:38 | |
in South Africa. | 0:03:38 | 0:03:40 | |
Just over a decade later, | 0:03:41 | 0:03:42 | |
he still didn't agree with anyone fighting - | 0:03:42 | 0:03:46 | |
least of all his children. | 0:03:46 | 0:03:47 | |
It sounds like there was a bit of a conflict coming | 0:03:49 | 0:03:54 | |
in terms of the family - war's breaking out, | 0:03:54 | 0:03:58 | |
and the two lads are at an age where they could be called up. | 0:03:58 | 0:04:02 | |
Erm...yeah, they're certainly of fighting age, | 0:04:02 | 0:04:06 | |
so, erm... | 0:04:06 | 0:04:08 | |
there would have been a sense that there's duty to the country | 0:04:08 | 0:04:12 | |
but also this... | 0:04:12 | 0:04:14 | |
real issue that they have, | 0:04:14 | 0:04:16 | |
which is they're of the Quaker faith, | 0:04:16 | 0:04:19 | |
so their father's been very anti-war in the past, | 0:04:19 | 0:04:23 | |
and it's...how are they going to take things from here? | 0:04:23 | 0:04:26 | |
It's hard to imagine how George reacted | 0:04:27 | 0:04:30 | |
when Bertie signed up to be a fighter pilot. | 0:04:30 | 0:04:33 | |
At least Laurence had found a way of doing HIS bit | 0:04:33 | 0:04:36 | |
without abandoning his faith. | 0:04:36 | 0:04:38 | |
He joined an unarmed ambulance convoy to France. | 0:04:38 | 0:04:42 | |
I see a bit of a storm brewing here within the family, most certainly. | 0:04:42 | 0:04:47 | |
You've got two lads who | 0:04:47 | 0:04:49 | |
are at an age where they could go off to war, | 0:04:49 | 0:04:53 | |
but you have a father who's a prominent figure in society | 0:04:53 | 0:04:58 | |
who's totally against it, and it's got to have caused friction. | 0:04:58 | 0:05:03 | |
Quakers like the Cadburys campaigned for peace - | 0:05:04 | 0:05:07 | |
but they had to tread carefully. | 0:05:07 | 0:05:09 | |
Britain's patriotic drive had kicked into gear, | 0:05:09 | 0:05:12 | |
and they were in the minority. | 0:05:12 | 0:05:15 | |
Most of Laurence and Bertie's friends were joining up to fight. | 0:05:15 | 0:05:18 | |
To get a sense of how conflicted the Cadburys would have been, | 0:05:21 | 0:05:24 | |
Richie's come to Woodbrooke in Birmingham. | 0:05:24 | 0:05:26 | |
This former Cadbury home is now Europe's largest Quaker college. | 0:05:26 | 0:05:30 | |
Followers of the faith call themselves Friends. | 0:05:30 | 0:05:33 | |
And in these peaceful surroundings, | 0:05:33 | 0:05:35 | |
they still question the rights and wrongs of war. | 0:05:35 | 0:05:38 | |
Friends, I hope you'll forgive if I don't stand up. | 0:05:38 | 0:05:44 | |
I could stand up, but I should fall over! | 0:05:44 | 0:05:47 | |
And my Zimmer is over there. | 0:05:47 | 0:05:49 | |
Stanley Holland's strong Quaker faith | 0:05:49 | 0:05:51 | |
stopped him from fighting in the Second World War. | 0:05:51 | 0:05:54 | |
Instead, he joined the Friends Ambulance Unit, | 0:05:54 | 0:05:57 | |
which was founded by Laurence and his Quaker friends | 0:05:57 | 0:06:00 | |
during World War I. | 0:06:00 | 0:06:01 | |
I had reached the conclusion | 0:06:02 | 0:06:05 | |
that there was only one way | 0:06:05 | 0:06:09 | |
of stopping Nazi Germany and its atrocities, | 0:06:09 | 0:06:14 | |
and that was not the way the Quakers would have approved of. | 0:06:14 | 0:06:19 | |
And I put it to my wife, | 0:06:20 | 0:06:22 | |
"How else would Hitler have been stopped?" | 0:06:22 | 0:06:26 | |
These are not decisions that are easily made. | 0:06:28 | 0:06:32 | |
-And you carry on worrying about it. -HIS VOICE CRACKS | 0:06:42 | 0:06:45 | |
Wow. That was quite a moving experience, to be quite honest. | 0:06:49 | 0:06:52 | |
What they did back then in World War I | 0:06:53 | 0:06:56 | |
was going totally against that tradition | 0:06:56 | 0:06:58 | |
in many, many respects. | 0:06:58 | 0:07:00 | |
So now I understand how big a decision it was | 0:07:00 | 0:07:03 | |
that they had to make. | 0:07:03 | 0:07:05 | |
People were saying the war would be over by Christmas, | 0:07:11 | 0:07:14 | |
and Laurence was in a hurry to get involved. | 0:07:14 | 0:07:17 | |
An early letter shows it didn't take him long. | 0:07:17 | 0:07:21 | |
On our arrival it was pretty evident we had to get busy good and quick. | 0:07:21 | 0:07:24 | |
Wounded were pouring in. | 0:07:24 | 0:07:26 | |
Laurence was barely off the boat | 0:07:27 | 0:07:29 | |
when the first challenge greeted him. | 0:07:29 | 0:07:32 | |
It was Halloween 1914, | 0:07:32 | 0:07:34 | |
and with 43 founding members of the Friends Ambulance Unit, the FAU, | 0:07:34 | 0:07:40 | |
he landed in France. | 0:07:40 | 0:07:41 | |
The young Quakers' mission was to save lives. | 0:07:42 | 0:07:45 | |
But with just eight weeks' basic first-aid training | 0:07:45 | 0:07:49 | |
and only three doctors among them, they were ill-prepared. | 0:07:49 | 0:07:53 | |
They receive news that, erm... | 0:07:53 | 0:07:56 | |
casualties are streaming back from the front, | 0:07:56 | 0:07:58 | |
they race across, | 0:07:58 | 0:08:00 | |
and they're confronted by | 0:08:00 | 0:08:04 | |
a mass of kind of seething humanity | 0:08:04 | 0:08:10 | |
that's on the floor, on straw... | 0:08:10 | 0:08:14 | |
They've been there for three days, | 0:08:14 | 0:08:16 | |
so the stench is quite horrendous. | 0:08:16 | 0:08:19 | |
And they set to work. | 0:08:19 | 0:08:22 | |
So this is their introduction to war, they've... | 0:08:22 | 0:08:25 | |
-That's how it started. -Yes. Exactly. | 0:08:25 | 0:08:27 | |
Rebecca, our historian, knows this story well, | 0:08:28 | 0:08:32 | |
but the details are not so familiar to Laurence's son, | 0:08:32 | 0:08:35 | |
Sir Dominic Cadbury. | 0:08:35 | 0:08:37 | |
I think it's fascinating because | 0:08:37 | 0:08:41 | |
I didn't really talk to my father about the war, | 0:08:41 | 0:08:44 | |
and he didn't talk about it to me. | 0:08:44 | 0:08:47 | |
I'm also learning about the roles that my father played in it, | 0:08:47 | 0:08:52 | |
that my Uncle Egbert played in it, | 0:08:52 | 0:08:55 | |
and that's educational for me, but also | 0:08:55 | 0:08:59 | |
it's of course very personal. | 0:08:59 | 0:09:00 | |
This part of Sir Dominic's famous family history | 0:09:00 | 0:09:04 | |
isn't well-known, | 0:09:04 | 0:09:05 | |
so he's keen to learn more about the letters. | 0:09:05 | 0:09:08 | |
-Rebecca, you've read through the letters... -Yes. | 0:09:08 | 0:09:11 | |
-..in their entirety, which of course I haven't. -Mm. | 0:09:11 | 0:09:15 | |
But I know that my father | 0:09:15 | 0:09:18 | |
-went at the earliest opportunity to France. -Mm-hm. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:22 | |
He's never been sure | 0:09:22 | 0:09:23 | |
how much his father's pacifist Quaker faith | 0:09:23 | 0:09:27 | |
would have affected his decision-making. | 0:09:27 | 0:09:28 | |
He would have seen himself at the start of the war | 0:09:28 | 0:09:31 | |
as one of the men, you know... | 0:09:31 | 0:09:34 | |
-Mm-hm. -..doing his thing for the war. | 0:09:34 | 0:09:37 | |
Then, I imagine that as the war progressed, | 0:09:37 | 0:09:42 | |
-this became more of an issue. -Yeah. | 0:09:42 | 0:09:44 | |
And that's when his conscience would have been... | 0:09:44 | 0:09:46 | |
-He would have been saying, "Well, am I doing the right thing?" -Yeah. | 0:09:46 | 0:09:49 | |
And he goes through, I'm sure, a mental battle over that. | 0:09:49 | 0:09:54 | |
Under the banner of the Red Cross, and the Order of St John, | 0:09:54 | 0:09:58 | |
the volunteer ambulancemen | 0:09:58 | 0:10:00 | |
patched up 3,000 wounded soldiers at Dunkirk. | 0:10:00 | 0:10:04 | |
But things would get far worse. | 0:10:04 | 0:10:06 | |
The patriotic drive gathered pace at home, | 0:10:07 | 0:10:10 | |
and a million more British Tommies were at the front by Christmas. | 0:10:10 | 0:10:14 | |
Bertie's view of the war was different to his brother's. | 0:10:17 | 0:10:20 | |
HE wanted to fight. | 0:10:21 | 0:10:23 | |
The exciting reports Laurence had been sending home from France | 0:10:23 | 0:10:26 | |
made the 18-year-old even more determined to do his bit. | 0:10:26 | 0:10:31 | |
I went to Chingford where I learned to fly, | 0:10:32 | 0:10:35 | |
and having got on rather fast I was appointed to this station | 0:10:35 | 0:10:37 | |
which is said to be the best home station going. | 0:10:37 | 0:10:40 | |
The Royal Navy's air station in Great Yarmouth | 0:10:41 | 0:10:43 | |
became Bertie's new home in the summer of 1915. | 0:10:43 | 0:10:47 | |
In true Cadbury fashion, he was soon in the thick of things. | 0:10:48 | 0:10:52 | |
Oh, my God. I have just heard I have got to do my first patrol. Tonight! | 0:10:52 | 0:10:57 | |
He had taken on one of the most dangerous jobs going - | 0:11:00 | 0:11:03 | |
and Richie is about to find out why. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:05 | |
By coming here, | 0:11:07 | 0:11:08 | |
I really feel I'm getting closer to Egbert's story. | 0:11:08 | 0:11:11 | |
Got to remember that pilots back then, they were like pioneers, | 0:11:11 | 0:11:14 | |
they were doing things in these planes that were never done before. | 0:11:14 | 0:11:17 | |
And although Egbert's not here to tell us of his experiences, | 0:11:17 | 0:11:22 | |
the planes that he flew are still flying today, | 0:11:22 | 0:11:25 | |
so I think I'm in for a real treat. | 0:11:25 | 0:11:28 | |
These hangars at the Shuttleworth Collection in Bedfordshire | 0:11:31 | 0:11:34 | |
are full of vintage aircraft. | 0:11:34 | 0:11:36 | |
And they still fly them. | 0:11:36 | 0:11:38 | |
Today, the weather's not great for the pilots. | 0:11:38 | 0:11:41 | |
But Richie has found an opening. | 0:11:41 | 0:11:43 | |
Do you think you can get in this? | 0:11:44 | 0:11:45 | |
You know what - I'd love to have a go. | 0:11:45 | 0:11:48 | |
Bertie spent hours patrolling the Norfolk coastline | 0:11:48 | 0:11:51 | |
in a plane like this one. | 0:11:51 | 0:11:53 | |
He was on the lookout for German bombers. | 0:11:53 | 0:11:56 | |
-How's that? -That is fantastic! Oh... | 0:11:57 | 0:12:02 | |
It's a tight squeeze for Richie, | 0:12:02 | 0:12:03 | |
but he can only imagine what it must have been like for Bertie. | 0:12:03 | 0:12:07 | |
At 20,000 feet, | 0:12:07 | 0:12:08 | |
the air would have been thin and 20 to 30 degrees below freezing. | 0:12:08 | 0:12:13 | |
I found that very uncomfortable, to be quite honest, in there, | 0:12:14 | 0:12:20 | |
and the vision wasn't too good either, | 0:12:20 | 0:12:22 | |
I'm just imagining what it was like, sitting in there, looking out... | 0:12:22 | 0:12:25 | |
Yeah. | 0:12:25 | 0:12:26 | |
-I don't think I'd be cut out for it, to be quite honest. -Right. | 0:12:26 | 0:12:29 | |
They still build these old warbirds, | 0:12:30 | 0:12:33 | |
and Bob Richardson wants to show Richie | 0:12:33 | 0:12:35 | |
just how exposed pilots like Bertie would have been. | 0:12:35 | 0:12:38 | |
..And it doesn't look too appealing to me, to be quite honest. | 0:12:38 | 0:12:41 | |
Yeah, well...you know, it's a wicker seat, | 0:12:41 | 0:12:43 | |
it's hardly bulletproof, is it? | 0:12:43 | 0:12:44 | |
That wicker seat sits on top of the fuel tank, | 0:12:44 | 0:12:48 | |
and Bertie would have been sent up on his own | 0:12:48 | 0:12:51 | |
after just three to four hours' training. | 0:12:51 | 0:12:54 | |
It was a very hazardous lifestyle, there's no doubts about that, | 0:12:54 | 0:12:57 | |
compared with what we experience today. | 0:12:57 | 0:13:00 | |
And they were indeed sacrificed, in my view. | 0:13:00 | 0:13:03 | |
The average life expectancy of a new fighter pilot | 0:13:04 | 0:13:07 | |
was just 11 days. | 0:13:07 | 0:13:09 | |
Lacking even the basic safety equipment, like a parachute, | 0:13:09 | 0:13:14 | |
more than half of the 14,000 airmen killed in World War I | 0:13:14 | 0:13:18 | |
died in training accidents. | 0:13:18 | 0:13:20 | |
You've got to take your hats off to these guys, really. | 0:13:20 | 0:13:23 | |
But I suppose young lads, they think of themselves as invincible. | 0:13:23 | 0:13:29 | |
But eventually, it did take its toll | 0:13:29 | 0:13:32 | |
on even the most enthusiastic pilot. | 0:13:32 | 0:13:38 | |
After only a month at Yarmouth, | 0:13:38 | 0:13:40 | |
Bertie's second letter to Laurence | 0:13:40 | 0:13:43 | |
shows the shine was coming off his flying ambitions. | 0:13:43 | 0:13:46 | |
I heartily agree with you | 0:13:46 | 0:13:48 | |
in regards to this bloody murder that is going on. | 0:13:48 | 0:13:50 | |
Nearly all the men I know have been done in. | 0:13:50 | 0:13:54 | |
Another member of the Cadbury family | 0:14:02 | 0:14:04 | |
has grown up trying to imagine what the war was like. | 0:14:04 | 0:14:07 | |
Justin Cadbury is Bertie's grandson. | 0:14:08 | 0:14:11 | |
..Because he never told me, really, what he did, | 0:14:11 | 0:14:13 | |
so I had to learn this from other people... | 0:14:13 | 0:14:16 | |
Today, he's finally going to hear from the man himself. | 0:14:16 | 0:14:19 | |
Richie's brought Bertie's letters - | 0:14:19 | 0:14:21 | |
and this one shows the young flyer wasn't only interested in planes. | 0:14:21 | 0:14:26 | |
This is the first one. | 0:14:26 | 0:14:27 | |
-Wow! -It's 1915... | 0:14:28 | 0:14:30 | |
I can read the first... | 0:14:30 | 0:14:32 | |
-You can read the first...? -I can read the first sentence very well, | 0:14:32 | 0:14:35 | |
and not something one would read out on television, possibly! | 0:14:35 | 0:14:38 | |
Amongst the crowd, | 0:14:40 | 0:14:42 | |
I noticed the prettiest girl I have ever seen in my life. | 0:14:42 | 0:14:45 | |
By God, she was some girl. | 0:14:45 | 0:14:48 | |
Just as we were getting to understand each other, | 0:14:48 | 0:14:50 | |
one of my blasted mechanics came up and told me the engine was ready. | 0:14:50 | 0:14:54 | |
"I said, 'Curse the bugger for not having | 0:14:54 | 0:14:57 | |
"'enough sense to bust something, so that I could not start.' | 0:14:57 | 0:15:02 | |
"So I had to fly away home. You can imagine my feelings." | 0:15:02 | 0:15:05 | |
Bertie was better at chasing German Zeppelins. | 0:15:07 | 0:15:10 | |
The huge airships were bombing Britain, | 0:15:10 | 0:15:12 | |
and it was his job to stop them. | 0:15:12 | 0:15:15 | |
He never saw himself as a hero, | 0:15:15 | 0:15:17 | |
he very much felt it was just doing it for his fellow man. | 0:15:17 | 0:15:21 | |
In 1916, he became only the second fighter pilot | 0:15:21 | 0:15:26 | |
to down one of the massive airships. | 0:15:26 | 0:15:28 | |
In 1918, Commander Cadbury and his gunner, Bob Leckie, did it again. | 0:15:28 | 0:15:34 | |
And Justin, being a Quaker family, | 0:15:34 | 0:15:36 | |
do you think that your grandfather was a bit of a rebel? | 0:15:36 | 0:15:40 | |
Yes, I think he was, | 0:15:40 | 0:15:42 | |
reading a little bit more about the history - | 0:15:42 | 0:15:44 | |
obviously to me he was just my grandfather | 0:15:44 | 0:15:47 | |
and a very loving... | 0:15:47 | 0:15:50 | |
a very loving grandpa, as I called him, | 0:15:50 | 0:15:54 | |
but indeed he WAS a rebel. | 0:15:54 | 0:15:56 | |
He was set apart to be different. | 0:15:56 | 0:15:58 | |
Richie's got one more surprise for Justin. | 0:15:58 | 0:16:03 | |
We have a recording | 0:16:03 | 0:16:05 | |
of your grandfather from the 1950s... | 0:16:05 | 0:16:07 | |
His grandfather may not have told him the story... | 0:16:07 | 0:16:10 | |
but he did tell the BBC. | 0:16:10 | 0:16:12 | |
-RECORDING: -'..At about 15,000 feet, coming through the clouds, | 0:16:12 | 0:16:15 | |
'I saw three Zeppelins right ahead of us.' | 0:16:15 | 0:16:17 | |
'I altered course, so as to get ahead of the Zeppelins. | 0:16:19 | 0:16:22 | |
'I then turned my machine, | 0:16:22 | 0:16:24 | |
'and attacked the leading Zeppelin head-on from underneath...' | 0:16:24 | 0:16:27 | |
She looked simply immense, | 0:16:27 | 0:16:29 | |
and completely blotted out the starry sky above us. | 0:16:29 | 0:16:32 | |
-RECORDING: -'Bob Leckie gave her | 0:16:32 | 0:16:34 | |
'a few bursts of fire, of tracer bullets. | 0:16:34 | 0:16:36 | |
'And within a matter of seconds, | 0:16:36 | 0:16:38 | |
'flames started to leap from her bows. | 0:16:38 | 0:16:40 | |
'And in an incredibly short time, | 0:16:40 | 0:16:42 | |
'her nose dropped, and she went hurtling down, | 0:16:42 | 0:16:45 | |
'a mass of flames, into the clouds below.' | 0:16:45 | 0:16:47 | |
(Wow...) | 0:16:47 | 0:16:49 | |
Well... | 0:16:49 | 0:16:51 | |
I can't say any words to match what I've just | 0:16:51 | 0:16:55 | |
seen and heard and witnessed, | 0:16:55 | 0:16:57 | |
it's an extraordinary piece of history. Extraordinary. | 0:16:57 | 0:16:59 | |
-Had you heard that before? -Never. I've never heard that before. | 0:16:59 | 0:17:03 | |
And he never told me the story. | 0:17:05 | 0:17:07 | |
Because...he had this extraordinary shy modesty, | 0:17:08 | 0:17:13 | |
which he simply wouldn't. | 0:17:13 | 0:17:15 | |
He would have to have been put under great pressure | 0:17:15 | 0:17:18 | |
from people far greater than his grandson | 0:17:18 | 0:17:21 | |
to tell a story like that, and it's... | 0:17:21 | 0:17:23 | |
very personal, very moving. | 0:17:23 | 0:17:26 | |
And I can hear and feel the man | 0:17:26 | 0:17:29 | |
absolutely as he tells the story, and it's awe-inspiring. | 0:17:29 | 0:17:33 | |
'I think that was a real big moment because he's only heard stories' | 0:17:33 | 0:17:36 | |
from his family members, | 0:17:36 | 0:17:38 | |
but to actually hear it from his grandfather himself, | 0:17:38 | 0:17:41 | |
yeah, that was brilliant. | 0:17:41 | 0:17:42 | |
While military commanders pushed their men | 0:17:43 | 0:17:46 | |
and machines to the limit, | 0:17:46 | 0:17:47 | |
Laurence was busy picking up the pieces on the Western Front. | 0:17:47 | 0:17:51 | |
He had complete commitment, and he... | 0:17:52 | 0:17:56 | |
he wouldn't have been, I think, | 0:17:56 | 0:17:57 | |
put off by any horrors that he saw - | 0:17:57 | 0:18:01 | |
I mean, he had a pretty strong stomach. | 0:18:01 | 0:18:04 | |
And, he'd have needed one. | 0:18:06 | 0:18:09 | |
In May 1915, Laurence's account of casualties | 0:18:09 | 0:18:12 | |
flooding into their makeshift hospital | 0:18:12 | 0:18:14 | |
near the besieged Belgian city of Ypres was graphic. | 0:18:14 | 0:18:18 | |
'The chateau, so quiet and pleasant an hour or two before, | 0:18:19 | 0:18:21 | |
'was already full of men.' | 0:18:21 | 0:18:23 | |
They were smashed and bleeding, | 0:18:27 | 0:18:29 | |
or choking and making awful noises in their throats. | 0:18:29 | 0:18:33 | |
We then learned for the first time of the asphyxiating fumes. | 0:18:34 | 0:18:38 | |
MACHINEGUN FIRE | 0:18:38 | 0:18:39 | |
He had witnessed the Second Battle of Ypres, | 0:18:40 | 0:18:42 | |
and the first German gas attack on the Western Front. | 0:18:42 | 0:18:46 | |
The month-long stalemate left 70,000 British and French soldiers dead. | 0:18:46 | 0:18:51 | |
Typed copies of the brothers' letters | 0:18:55 | 0:18:57 | |
were circulated among the family. | 0:18:57 | 0:19:00 | |
Newspapers were also full of war stories, and the rising death toll. | 0:19:00 | 0:19:04 | |
March 1916 saw a new law, | 0:19:05 | 0:19:08 | |
and a new phase in the military campaign. | 0:19:08 | 0:19:11 | |
From now on, if you were young enough and fit enough, | 0:19:12 | 0:19:15 | |
you had to fight. | 0:19:15 | 0:19:17 | |
Look at him. He's pointing at you. | 0:19:17 | 0:19:20 | |
Can YOU say no? | 0:19:20 | 0:19:22 | |
The Military Service Act | 0:19:22 | 0:19:24 | |
ramped up recruitment - | 0:19:24 | 0:19:25 | |
but for pacifists like the Quakers, | 0:19:25 | 0:19:28 | |
there was an important clause. | 0:19:28 | 0:19:30 | |
On paper, at least, | 0:19:30 | 0:19:31 | |
men could ask to be exempt from conscription | 0:19:31 | 0:19:33 | |
on the grounds of their faith. | 0:19:33 | 0:19:35 | |
They were called conscientious objectors. | 0:19:36 | 0:19:39 | |
But many people saw them as cowards. | 0:19:39 | 0:19:42 | |
In the months leading up to conscription, | 0:19:48 | 0:19:50 | |
young men still at home | 0:19:50 | 0:19:52 | |
were the targets of an unofficial naming and shaming campaign. | 0:19:52 | 0:19:55 | |
White feathers became weapons, | 0:19:55 | 0:19:58 | |
designed to destroy reputations. | 0:19:58 | 0:20:02 | |
Richie, I've known this trunk all my life, | 0:20:02 | 0:20:06 | |
but I was over 60 | 0:20:06 | 0:20:08 | |
before I actually opened it to see what was inside, | 0:20:08 | 0:20:11 | |
and found it was very much the story of my one grandfather. | 0:20:11 | 0:20:14 | |
Keith James's grandfather, Alfred, | 0:20:16 | 0:20:18 | |
had a farm to run, and a mother and two sisters to support. | 0:20:18 | 0:20:22 | |
It was tough working the land on his own. | 0:20:22 | 0:20:25 | |
But one day at the end of 1915, | 0:20:25 | 0:20:27 | |
his loyalty and honour were called into question in dramatic fashion. | 0:20:27 | 0:20:32 | |
One day, he went to Ross Market, | 0:20:35 | 0:20:39 | |
where he would have been amongst friends and chums | 0:20:39 | 0:20:41 | |
that he'd known, and other families, | 0:20:41 | 0:20:43 | |
and all of a sudden this... | 0:20:43 | 0:20:45 | |
what I would describe as a sort of Boadicea of a woman | 0:20:45 | 0:20:48 | |
came bustling through the market | 0:20:48 | 0:20:50 | |
and thrust upon him a white feather. | 0:20:50 | 0:20:52 | |
And of course, my grandfather | 0:20:53 | 0:20:56 | |
would have been mortified by this, absolutely mortified. | 0:20:56 | 0:20:59 | |
Alfred enlisted as a gunner in the Royal Garrison Artillery | 0:21:00 | 0:21:05 | |
almost immediately, | 0:21:05 | 0:21:07 | |
leaving his mother and sisters to tend the Herefordshire farm alone. | 0:21:07 | 0:21:10 | |
That little fella was his dog tag - | 0:21:12 | 0:21:14 | |
-that's been at to Battle of the Somme. -The Battle of the Somme! | 0:21:14 | 0:21:17 | |
Yeah, that was at the Battle of the Somme. | 0:21:17 | 0:21:18 | |
That's heard the big guns roar. | 0:21:18 | 0:21:21 | |
That's unbelievable. | 0:21:22 | 0:21:24 | |
I've never touched anything from the Battle of the Somme, | 0:21:24 | 0:21:27 | |
-to be quite honest, so... -Yeah. -..I'm privileged. | 0:21:27 | 0:21:31 | |
So Keith, what actually happened to your grandfather? | 0:21:31 | 0:21:34 | |
Well, he did survive the war. | 0:21:35 | 0:21:37 | |
He was in France until 1918, and then he was severely wounded. | 0:21:37 | 0:21:42 | |
But for him, another great tragedy befell him | 0:21:42 | 0:21:46 | |
because when he got back here, | 0:21:46 | 0:21:48 | |
he found that because there was no man to work the land, | 0:21:48 | 0:21:53 | |
his family had been evicted. | 0:21:53 | 0:21:56 | |
So he had nothing, really, to come home to. | 0:21:56 | 0:21:59 | |
And I can imagine the poor fellow was quite heartbroken. | 0:21:59 | 0:22:03 | |
Because at the end of the day this was supposed to be | 0:22:03 | 0:22:05 | |
a land fit for heroes... | 0:22:05 | 0:22:08 | |
and he came home to nothing. | 0:22:08 | 0:22:10 | |
Again, Richie's left to wonder what HE would have done. | 0:22:11 | 0:22:15 | |
That decision ultimately changed, probably, | 0:22:15 | 0:22:18 | |
the whole course of his life, | 0:22:18 | 0:22:19 | |
certainly his livelihood, | 0:22:19 | 0:22:21 | |
and a family tradition when he came back that had gone. | 0:22:21 | 0:22:24 | |
And he was homeless. It's just an incredible story. | 0:22:24 | 0:22:27 | |
Conscription was also becoming a problem | 0:22:31 | 0:22:33 | |
for the Friends Ambulance Unit. | 0:22:33 | 0:22:35 | |
A surge of new recruits joined them in 1916, | 0:22:35 | 0:22:38 | |
as an alternative to military service. | 0:22:38 | 0:22:40 | |
One of Laurence's letters home suggests | 0:22:41 | 0:22:43 | |
he wasn't convinced by everyone's motives. | 0:22:43 | 0:22:46 | |
I don't object to consciences... | 0:22:47 | 0:22:50 | |
not even overly manured ones. | 0:22:50 | 0:22:53 | |
Things got worse when news spread among the unit | 0:22:53 | 0:22:56 | |
that conscientious objectors were being jailed at home | 0:22:56 | 0:22:59 | |
for refusing to help the war effort. | 0:22:59 | 0:23:02 | |
Some threatened to quit in protest. | 0:23:02 | 0:23:05 | |
Among the letters, | 0:23:05 | 0:23:06 | |
Rebecca has found evidence | 0:23:06 | 0:23:08 | |
that Laurence was considering a drastic course of action. | 0:23:08 | 0:23:11 | |
We've actually found this in the archives. | 0:23:13 | 0:23:17 | |
So, he's gone out as a noncombatant... | 0:23:19 | 0:23:22 | |
-Mm-hm. -..as a volunteer, | 0:23:22 | 0:23:25 | |
and here you can see | 0:23:25 | 0:23:27 | |
he's actually written off to... | 0:23:27 | 0:23:30 | |
-..join up, in essence. -Mm-hm. | 0:23:31 | 0:23:33 | |
So, these are the forms. | 0:23:33 | 0:23:36 | |
He's interested in joining | 0:23:36 | 0:23:38 | |
the Royal Field Artillery. | 0:23:38 | 0:23:41 | |
And here you have | 0:23:43 | 0:23:46 | |
the forms themselves. | 0:23:46 | 0:23:49 | |
Yeah, I've never seen these. | 0:23:49 | 0:23:51 | |
The prospect of another son joining up to kill the enemy | 0:23:52 | 0:23:56 | |
was quite a bombshell for the Cadbury family. | 0:23:56 | 0:23:58 | |
Laurence received a flurry of letters, | 0:23:58 | 0:24:01 | |
including one from his war hero brother Bertie, | 0:24:01 | 0:24:04 | |
urging him not to join the Army. | 0:24:04 | 0:24:07 | |
To join now would be disastrous, so for God's sake | 0:24:07 | 0:24:10 | |
don't dream of doing so, | 0:24:10 | 0:24:12 | |
for I am absolutely positive you will regret it. | 0:24:12 | 0:24:16 | |
There were people who were conscientious objectors, | 0:24:16 | 0:24:18 | |
and this was becoming controversial | 0:24:18 | 0:24:21 | |
and he would have wanted to be... | 0:24:21 | 0:24:25 | |
He, as a volunteer, | 0:24:25 | 0:24:28 | |
would have found it difficult, I think, | 0:24:28 | 0:24:30 | |
-to come to terms with the fact that he was seen in any way... -Mm. | 0:24:30 | 0:24:34 | |
..to be ducking his responsibilities at all, | 0:24:34 | 0:24:37 | |
that was just not him. | 0:24:37 | 0:24:39 | |
There is also a scribbled note from Laurence, | 0:24:39 | 0:24:42 | |
spelling out HIS feelings. | 0:24:42 | 0:24:43 | |
And you see here at the very top | 0:24:43 | 0:24:47 | |
of the list of "Against the FAU," | 0:24:47 | 0:24:51 | |
he says, "The shame of being a noncombatant - | 0:24:51 | 0:24:55 | |
"A, now, and B, after the war." | 0:24:55 | 0:24:59 | |
Shame was driving him towards the Army - | 0:24:59 | 0:25:02 | |
but the letters show he was already risking his life. | 0:25:02 | 0:25:06 | |
You can see here he's really in the very thick of the fighting - | 0:25:07 | 0:25:11 | |
obviously there's ammunition going off, there are shots being fired. | 0:25:11 | 0:25:16 | |
And he says here, | 0:25:16 | 0:25:18 | |
"When you are carrying fellows on stretchers | 0:25:18 | 0:25:21 | |
"up and down mountains of bricks and masonry, | 0:25:21 | 0:25:24 | |
"and the shells come zing, bang overhead, | 0:25:24 | 0:25:28 | |
"and the bits patter down on the ground | 0:25:28 | 0:25:30 | |
"and hit tiles with a metallic clang, | 0:25:30 | 0:25:32 | |
"it is at times unpleasant." | 0:25:32 | 0:25:34 | |
With a plunk and a roar, up go bits of the house, | 0:25:37 | 0:25:40 | |
and the air is full of dust and flying pieces. | 0:25:40 | 0:25:43 | |
You can't turn and run, as inclination suggests. | 0:25:43 | 0:25:46 | |
Rebecca's been doing some more digging among the archives, | 0:25:48 | 0:25:51 | |
to find out what was on George Cadbury's mind | 0:25:51 | 0:25:54 | |
now that his sons were so heavily involved in the war. | 0:25:54 | 0:25:57 | |
-Found another letter... -OK. | 0:25:59 | 0:26:01 | |
..which is a little later on in the war. | 0:26:01 | 0:26:04 | |
It's from George this time, | 0:26:04 | 0:26:06 | |
and he says actually | 0:26:06 | 0:26:07 | |
"These young men may become, in the future, | 0:26:07 | 0:26:10 | |
"the best advocates of peace, | 0:26:10 | 0:26:12 | |
"having witnessed for themselves the horrors of war." | 0:26:12 | 0:26:15 | |
Mm. | 0:26:15 | 0:26:17 | |
Cadbury had in fact shown his support for the troops all along, | 0:26:17 | 0:26:21 | |
sending chocolate to raise morale, and funds for hospitals. | 0:26:21 | 0:26:25 | |
But now, the famous pacifist | 0:26:25 | 0:26:27 | |
was defending Quaker fighters in a national newsletter. | 0:26:27 | 0:26:30 | |
And there were a lot of them. | 0:26:31 | 0:26:33 | |
Virtually a third, | 0:26:33 | 0:26:35 | |
so 33% of all young Quakers | 0:26:35 | 0:26:39 | |
of fighting age, had enlisted. | 0:26:39 | 0:26:41 | |
I find that incredible. | 0:26:44 | 0:26:46 | |
So, again they would be going against family tradition, | 0:26:46 | 0:26:50 | |
family values... | 0:26:50 | 0:26:52 | |
-Mm. -33%, I think, is a lot. -Yeah. | 0:26:52 | 0:26:55 | |
Yeah, I mean, absolutely, | 0:26:55 | 0:26:56 | |
you can see that there's a real sense of erm...duty, | 0:26:56 | 0:27:01 | |
just as the rest of the nation is having to decide between | 0:27:01 | 0:27:06 | |
the voices of war and peace, | 0:27:06 | 0:27:08 | |
actually, so too are Quakers. | 0:27:08 | 0:27:11 | |
The war had caused divisions among the Quaker community. | 0:27:12 | 0:27:16 | |
But this photo shows the Cadburys remained united. | 0:27:16 | 0:27:19 | |
George, the proud chocolate king, | 0:27:19 | 0:27:22 | |
looks on as the King of England | 0:27:22 | 0:27:24 | |
presents Bertie with his flying medals. | 0:27:24 | 0:27:26 | |
Over 2,000 Cadbury workers | 0:27:27 | 0:27:29 | |
were honoured for their war service that day - | 0:27:29 | 0:27:32 | |
including the 218 who died. | 0:27:32 | 0:27:35 | |
Laurence hadn't fired a shot, | 0:27:36 | 0:27:38 | |
but he was decorated for his bravery by Britain and France. | 0:27:38 | 0:27:43 | |
They may have had different paths during the war, | 0:27:43 | 0:27:47 | |
but I think they started from the same place, that they wanted to do | 0:27:47 | 0:27:51 | |
what they felt they could do, as quickly as possible, | 0:27:51 | 0:27:55 | |
to help the country - | 0:27:55 | 0:27:56 | |
and they were quite different routes, it's true, | 0:27:56 | 0:28:00 | |
but I don't think that | 0:28:00 | 0:28:02 | |
they perhaps thought of them as being as different as we do now. | 0:28:02 | 0:28:07 | |
I always like to put myself in the position, | 0:28:08 | 0:28:11 | |
what I would do in their place? It would be very, very difficult. | 0:28:11 | 0:28:14 | |
And as this story unfolded, | 0:28:14 | 0:28:16 | |
I got quite concerned | 0:28:16 | 0:28:18 | |
what was going to happen to these two brothers, Egbert and Laurence - | 0:28:18 | 0:28:22 | |
after all they'd been through, they could quite easily have been killed. | 0:28:22 | 0:28:25 | |
But they came through it stronger, | 0:28:25 | 0:28:27 | |
with their brotherly bond, and the Cadbury reputation, still intact. | 0:28:27 | 0:28:32 | |
Hear more incredible war stories from your area | 0:28:47 | 0:28:49 | |
with World War One At Home, at bbc.co.uk/wwi. | 0:28:49 | 0:28:52 |