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Four iconic English gardens.

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Each is the product of one moment in history

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and each gives us a fascinating window into the century

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in which they were made and the people who created them.

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Much more than just a history of gardening,

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these are extraordinary tales of escape,

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social ambition,

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heartbreak,

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downfall and disaster.

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In unravelling these remarkable stories, we reach back over

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the centuries to see these four great gardens through fresh eyes

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and gain a greater understanding of their real significance.

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Beautiful,

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overpowering,

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provocative,

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extravagant,

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theatrical and even controversial.

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Nestled in the West Sussex countryside is one of the most

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celebrated English Gardens of the 20th century - Great Dixter.

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Created at the beginning of the century,

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it was the final flowering of a movement

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that looked back to the past to escape industrial Britain.

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It's another world taking inspiration from the past,

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right back to medieval styles.

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Moving utterly away from industrialised England at the time

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and moving towards something very beautiful,

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very natural, very simple.

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Great Dixter was made famous by Christopher Lloyd, the celebrated

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plantsman and writer, who used this garden as a living laboratory.

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No plant is out of bounds,

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that's Christopher's great lesson and great motto.

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It doesn't matter whether it's a dahlia or whether it's a parsnip,

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everything has relevance if, aesthetically,

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it creates that dance in the border that you strive for.

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The garden at Great Dixter contrasts rigid formality

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with wild exuberance.

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It's a garden that thrives on contradiction.

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Traditional but experimental, rooted in the past

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but reaching to the future.

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It's an absolutely spectacular garden

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and it's one of those very unique places,

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which combines the 19th, 20th and 21st centuries.

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It brings everything together so it doesn't feel mummified.

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It feels as if it's completely alive still.

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Christopher Lloyd died in 2006, but his garden continues

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thanks to Great Dixter's head gardener, Fergus Garrett,

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who has taken on the daunting challenge

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of keeping Christo's legacy alive.

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See, that's just a stunning combination.

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Alliums and ladybird poppy.

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Look at this for a tree lupin, a naturally occurring hybrid.

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Fergus came to work at Great Dixter 21 years ago in 1993.

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He oversees every aspect of the garden,

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from designing the planting schemes for each area

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to directing his team of fulltime staff and students...

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Any spare time, let's get the tulips out of those pots...

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..and organising the nitty-gritty of Dixter's busy social calendar.

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Yeah, Erin?

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Yes, for both of those, that'd be good.

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Well, I've got Lady Mary King coming.

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Well, why not? Yes, why not? Why don't you do that, Erin?

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I did bring some old fish soup.

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It's just the place, where it's just flowing with ideas, you know?

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And if you take our bedding combinations,

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we never, ever repeat a bedding combination

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so people feel that sense of freedom there,

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and the same with these plantings, you know.

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Otherwise I could just open up one of Christo's books

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and copy what he did one year or another year, but that's the way...

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..that's the way gardens go stale and become static,

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and we're not that sort of place.

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Christopher Lloyd made Great Dixter world famous

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but this unique garden was created a decade before he was born.

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And it was shaped and inspired by a remarkable group of men and women.

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Christopher's father, Nathaniel, who built the family fortune

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and Great Dixter by pioneering colour printing.

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His driven mother, Daisy, who proudly claimed descent

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from Oliver Cromwell, and brought that same zeal

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to everything she grew.

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A visionary writer called William Robinson,

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whose revolutionary ideas let nature loose in the garden.

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And a short-sighted Victorian spinster called Gertrude Jekyll,

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whose radical sense of colour transformed the English flowerbed.

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At the centre of the garden is an extraordinary house.

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In part dating back to the 15th century, it's a classic example

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of the Arts and Crafts movement, which celebrated the skills

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and materials that had been swept aside by the Industrial Revolution.

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Just like the garden, the house bears the mark of the Lloyd family.

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Nathaniel and Daisy arrived from London in 1910

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with the dream of creating a unique home for them and their family.

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But the house and garden that's here today is very different

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from what Nathaniel and Daisy saw when they first came to Dixter.

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What they started with was a dilapidated medieval hall,

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with 450 acres of farmland that was called simply Dixter.

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To help them transform it into the home of their dreams,

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Nathaniel's masterstroke was to employ

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the brilliant architect Edwin Lutyens.

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He was famous for his sympathetic restoration of medieval houses

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and as the champion of the Arts and Crafts style.

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Alan Power, the head gardener at Stourhead,

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is trying to discover how a run-down farmhouse was transformed

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into the centrepiece of one of England's most brilliant gardens.

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The house at Dixter looks as if it's been here for centuries

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but in fact when the Lloyds first turned up,

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this was all that was here -

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the medieval hall that dates back to the 1450s.

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Then, in the early 1900s, Lutyens designed this section of the house.

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But they seamlessly work together,

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the whole thing looks as if it's sat here for centuries.

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And there's a third element to the house that was added

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and that's around the corner in the other part of the garden.

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You can still see the Lutyens' work on this side of the house

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but what you really start to notice is the third element.

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This section of the house was actually an old yeoman's hall.

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It was derelict and it was being used as a barn at the time

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and Nathaniel bought it, had it dismantled

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transported across the county and re-assembled it here at Great Dixter

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and integrated it beautifully in with the other two elements.

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So why did the Lloyds choose to settle here?

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Having made his fortune as a lithographic printer,

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Nathaniel was ready to abandon London for a life in the country

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where he could spend his time on his great passions

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of golf and photography.

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But he was also searching for an outlet

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for his other great obsession - medieval architecture -

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and Dixter was the perfect project.

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Daisy, 14 years younger than her husband, came from a family

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immersed in horticulture and literature.

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She had always envisaged a large family

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and wanted to create the perfect rural idyll.

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Nathaniel and Daisy Lloyd's dream was to keep the harsh realities

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of a new century outside their garden gate.

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But in the real world, a terrible conflict was brewing.

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Historian and writer Andrea Wulf has been searching through

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the family archives to try and discover how their new refuge,

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Great Dixter, would face up to the challenge of a world war.

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When the war starts in 1914, they've only lived here very briefly because

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they buy it in 1910 and then they have to re-model it and build it.

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So they've just moved in here. And what I have here is

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a photograph of the great hall during World War I

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when it was turned into a Red Cross hospital.

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So you see this room, but it's filled with beds.

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It looks very strange to see the timber frame building with

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then very modern-looking hospital beds.

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And then there's another photograph which shows the entire staff

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and you see all the nurses in their beautifully starched uniforms.

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The beds are in the great hall but also in the solar,

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so their two big, important reception rooms are taken away from them.

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They live here while you have all the nurses and doctors running

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around and patients -

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which must have been quite intrusive to their family life.

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One of my favourite, favourite letters in this whole collection

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is a letter written clearly by the manager

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of the Red Cross hospital here, writing to Daisy,

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and it says, "Dear Mrs Lloyd, would you please suggest where we are

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"to keep the umbrellas belonging to the staff in future?

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"We've kept them in the porch ever since the hospital was opened

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"and no complaints have been made.

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"Now they are hurled into the ward by your orders, I suppose.

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"It's quite impossible to keep them

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"in the ward with all the surgical cases."

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You can imagine that Daisy didn't like the idea

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that someone else was in charge of her house.

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You can just imagine her walking past seeing this

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mess of umbrellas and, you know, hurling them into the ward.

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There are patients lying in bed here.

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Daisy was perfectly suited to the role of family matriarch.

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She relished the responsibility

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and power that came with being a wife and mother, writing,

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"When I was 12 or 13, I conceived a secret ambition to be

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"the best mother in the world and have the most beautiful children.

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"If I hadn't married I would have been a schoolmarm.

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"Instead I had a class of six."

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And, in an age when the battle for sexual equality was just brewing,

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Daisy stood toe to toe with her older successful husband.

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She's very much equal to Nathaniel.

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For example, when they marry, one condition

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from her side is that they're going to spend, each year, a month apart,

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where each partner is allowed to do whatever they like to do.

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So, Nathaniel goes off golfing and she goes off and sees her friends

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in Europe, with the kids, but that's a condition when they marry in 1905.

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You know, it's quite something.

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Daisy was the mistress of a remarkable home.

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Ideally, an Arts and Crafts house and garden were designed

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by the same person and Dixter's architect, Edwin Lutyens,

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managed seamlessly to integrate the two into a single entity.

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To try and understand how he achieved this, garden designer

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Chris Beardshaw has got his hands on Lutyens' original designs.

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There's no doubt that the garden, the success of the garden today,

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is totally reliant on the structure that Lutyens originally imposed.

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The house sits within the six-acre site,

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and then, off the house,

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come a series of compartments, a series of enclosures

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each with its own little narrative suggestion.

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There's a stone paved area, flower borders, long borders.

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So, he's allowing the spatial arrangement of the property

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to then move outside into the landscape.

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So to the rear of the property,

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Lutyens has it as a series of straight-line paths linking -

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visually linking - one section of the garden with the next,

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the borders with the loggia, which was the old rose garden.

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A very formal line of trees

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disappearing down towards the lower moat.

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Lutyens' garden wraps itself around the old manor house,

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embracing the sloping terrain and the old buildings.

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At the centre of the front garden

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is an entrance path and small meadow.

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To the right, there are two walled rooms,

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and, to the left, there's a series of stepped compartments

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with yew hedges.

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All these spaces are secluded and look inwards

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but never lose touch with the house.

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At the back and outside of these formal rooms

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is one of Dixter's most famous features -

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the celebrated long border,

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which runs almost the entire width of the garden.

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Below, there are rolling meadows and orchards that open up the garden

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to the countryside,

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a walled rose garden and a topiary lawn.

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Lutyens didn't actually prescribe much detail for these spaces,

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but he didn't need to.

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His brilliant design gave the garden its bone structure

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and the Lloyds a perfect canvas to express their personality and ideas.

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Alan Power has been examining the role

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that yew hedges play in the garden.

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These hedges, these yew hedges at Dixter really form

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the bone structure of the garden.

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Up close, they're fine, beautiful foliage, really delicate,

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but actually from a distance it just blends into this dark green

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backdrop that complements the colour of the perennials

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in the garden brilliantly.

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You have this lovely relationship between plants and backdrop.

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But their function goes much, much further.

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They actually separate every garden room at Dixter.

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You walk from room to room, experience to experience

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and it's separated and controlled by these yew hedges.

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It's quite a moment when you come round the corner there

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and there's this dramatic level change and, you know,

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I had to take a breath before I stepped through the gap, just

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to prepare myself for the next step, the next compartment, the next room.

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It makes you feel as if you're standing on the stage yourself.

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You emerge from the walls, you emerge from the yew hedges.

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Standing on the stage, you view it as if you're the director and then you

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descend right into the garden and you're utterly immersed yourself.

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Walking through this garden

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is like attending an extraordinary performance.

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The yew hedges can seem overpowering,

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directing where you go and what you see.

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But in high summer even they struggle to contain

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the exuberant planting and colours that flood through Great Dixter,

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as Chris Beardshaw has been discovering.

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This isn't a garden for anybody who has a fear of confined spaces.

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There's plants just tumbling over one another and in many cases

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it's not even clear if the path is for a gardener or a visitor.

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It's almost as if it's just a little river, a stream

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which has carved a passage through.

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In a garden with this sort of intensity and density of planting,

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the intensity has to be balanced by space, by openness,

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by the meadows and the distant views of the landscape.

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You need that contrast in order to just catch your breath,

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otherwise the whole thing would just become far too intense.

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Stepping out of the high garden is like coming up for air.

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For the first time, you can see open sky

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and the rolling countryside that surrounds Great Dixter.

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You're suddenly in a different world dominated by one of the most

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beautiful and unique features - the wild meadows.

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Unrestrained and overflowing with wild flowers and insects,

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the meadows are a perfect counterpoint

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to the claustrophobia of the upper gardens.

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And now we're taking the hay and the seed from here

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and spreading it onto the various fields that we've got,

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and then our neighbours are doing the same so meadows are starting

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to spread out into the landscape from here.

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And that's pretty important for many reasons,

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because they are a thing of the past.

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98% of these species-rich meadows, lowland meadows,

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have disappeared in this country since the Second World War.

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The meadows were created by Daisy Lloyd, who rejected

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the formality of Lutyens' plans for traditional lawns

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in favour of something wilder and less conventional.

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Daisy spent her life gathering wild flowers

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to make her meadows richer and more beautiful.

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But her inspiration came from a hugely influential gardener

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and writer called William Robinson.

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Born in Ireland in 1838, Robinson moved to London

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as a young man, quickly earning a reputation

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as a brilliant botanist and gardener.

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By his mid-20s he'd been on expeditions to the American prairies

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and the Alps, studying plants in the wild

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and was corresponding with Charles Darwin.

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Outspoken, opinionated and fiercely energetic,

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by the age of 30, he was publishing his own gardening magazine,

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which he followed with his first book, The Wild Garden.

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The Wild Garden became a best seller,

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helping Robinson earn enough money to buy a country house

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in West Sussex called Gravetye Manor.

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In the opening chapter, he set out his stall.

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"The gardener must follow the true artist, however modestly,

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"in his respect for things as they are,

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"in delight of natural form and beauty of flower and tree,

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"if we are to be free from barren geometry,

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"if our gardens are for ever to be true pictures."

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He spent the next 40 years transforming the grounds and gardens

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into a living illustration of his ideas.

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At Gravetye, Robinson encouraged untidy edges,

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to allow the garden to blend into the larger landscape.

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He grew wild meadows where the garden

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appeared to merge into the surrounding woodland and lake.

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Robinson was a fierce critic of carpet bedding,

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a flamboyant, high Victorian style of gardening,

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which was typified by densely packed,

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brightly coloured planting set in geometric patterns.

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In stark contrast, in his garden, he used hardy perennial plants

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which were encouraged to express their true nature and personality

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but under the subtle and almost invisible hand of the gardener.

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His book's popularity was largely due to Robinson's promise

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that wild gardening could be easy and beautiful,

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and that it followed nature,

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which he considered the source of all true design.

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Robinson's philosophy really struck a chord with Daisy Lloyd,

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and at Great Dixter the influence of his radical ideas

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is still very clear.

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There's a wonderful informality of that landscape

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sweeping into the garden without any obstacle -

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no fence, no ha-ha, no barrier.

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The meadows sweep straight into the herbaceous borders.

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Yes, absolutely and for some people that doesn't work

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cos they want this wild area to be behind a fence,

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you know, behind the garden wall.

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Because that's the countryside and this should be a garden

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and this should be a formal lawn with formal avenues and trees,

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and I think they're absolutely wrong

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because this creates a certain atmosphere where the countryside

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wallops in and the whole thing floats in all of this.

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The wild meadows are Daisy Lloyd's greatest legacy at Dixter.

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Her husband, Nathaniel, was drawn to something

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much more structured and architectural.

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His great passion was box hedging and topiary.

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Nathaniel filled the garden with his obsession,

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creating some of its most distinctive characters

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and even writing a book about it that's still in print today.

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I really do love topiary. It's very entertaining in a garden.

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And it's like in the gardens of the 18th century

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when you'd see statues as you walk around the garden,

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in the garden here you come across topiary.

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And topiary in its essence is a very simple way

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of creating structure within a garden.

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It's not a magnificent marble statue,

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it's soft, it's gentle, it's very, very playful.

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You can see a little bit of the sense of humour,

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you can see a little bit of the person behind the place, as well.

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You can see the skills of a gardener.

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The practical, functional skills of getting it right.

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I've got a picture of this area in the garden from not long after

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the garden was created and you've got the yews,

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the shape of the yew just establishing itself,

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and you can see on a couple of them that the tip of the plant has been

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allowed to come up and the foliage on the top has just been teased out.

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That's when the fun starts, really, and that's the point

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at which you decide, what am I going to have on top of my topiary?

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Is it going to be a peacock? Is it going to be a canary?

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You know, what are you going to have?

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There was a medley of birds on top of these,

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which would have been really lovely.

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This remarkable garden had been taking shape for ten years

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by the time that Christopher Lloyd was born in 1921.

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Christo, as he became known, was the sixth and last child of Daisy

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and Nathaniel, and he would make Great Dixter world famous.

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His first sight of what would become his life's greatest work

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was from the crawling window in the nursery.

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This has been specially designed by Edwin Lutyens to allow

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the Lloyd infants to look out on the garden as soon as they could crawl.

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Right from the start Daisy seemed intent on sharing her passion

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for gardening with her youngest son.

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I was the only one who really took any interest in the garden,

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but I did right from the start,

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so it must have been in my blood.

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And I used to devil for her - if you know that expression?

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I used to stand near her when she was pricking plants out

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on the potting bench and pretend to be helping.

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Of course, like all children, I think I was lazy,

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but I was definitely interested.

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Daisy Lloyd taught her son embroidery and letter writing

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but, more importantly, she taught him the language of plants.

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Under her loving gaze he began a lifelong study of their colours,

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shapes and textures.

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Their habits, likes and dislikes.

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Andrea Wulf has been searching through the Great Dixter archives

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to discover more about this formative relationship

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between Christopher and his mother.

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There are hundreds and hundreds of letters within the family

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and there's a huge pile between Christopher and his mother,

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and they start very early on and they write letters

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to each other almost daily, sometimes she writes twice a day to him.

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Most of it is about gardening from a very early age on.

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So, for example, here's one letter.

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It's not dated, but you can tell from the handwriting

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that Christopher can't be older than six, I would say.

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And he writes, "My dear Mummy,

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"I was the first to see the Rhododendron out.

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"I was the first to see the Spiderwort.

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"My lily is 12 inch.

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"I was the first to see the Dutch iris..."

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And it kind of goes on like this.

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And it has all around it Xs for kisses

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and lots and lots of suns.

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So clearly, as a young child he's already

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unbelievably passionate about his garden.

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In later life, when Christo became a celebrated writer,

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he would credit letter writing and his mother

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for giving him his gift for words.

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But from the very beginning,

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Daisy built a remarkably close bond with her younger son.

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There is one letter from March 1929, and she writes,

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"My own darling, beloved, precious lambikin birthday child!"

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So "lambikin" is what she calls him

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and then she describes this scene where she's in a car

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and the car's standing outside a house in a village.

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And then she says, "And Daddy is inside taking photographs,"

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because he was a passionate amateur photographer, and then she writes,

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"And there are hundreds of snowdrops..."

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She also calls them "Schneeglockchen" which is the German word for it.

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"..in the front garden and I am longing..."

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underline, "..longing to pick them."

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And then in brackets,

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"So now you know where a certain person get his flower greed from!"

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She writes to him already relating to him

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as, you know, the two of us, we're the same.

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We're both passionate about our garden

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and talks about this flower greed.

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What I find extraordinary about this is that it creates this bond.

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But also when you read her letters to him she writes to him

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as if she was writing to another adult gardener,

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but she's doing that with an eight-year-old,

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nine-year-old, ten-year-old.

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And he replies almost as an adult gardener would reply.

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At the age of nine, Christo was sent away to prep school,

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and for the next 70 years,

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he remembered that day as one of the most traumatic in his life.

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Christo may have been out of Daisy's sight,

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but their daily correspondence made certain

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that she and Great Dixter were never far from his mind.

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And then when you go on, this is in 1931

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and he's writing from boarding school.

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"Thank you, Mummy, so much for the flowers.

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"Please carry on sending me as big a box as you did this week

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"and please go on picking my daisies and French pansies

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"like you must have picked the daisies when you sent them to me."

0:28:410:28:46

She's clearly sending him flower boxes now,

0:28:460:28:49

and he's also giving her instructions,

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what to do with his flowers here at Great Dixter.

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This little boy's instructions to his mother

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hint at the powerful gardener Christopher would eventually become,

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but he would struggle for decades to make the garden his own.

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After school, Christo studied modern languages at Cambridge,

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but World War II intervened.

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Christo was sent to Africa and India

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while his beloved Great Dixter became home for evacuee children.

0:29:220:29:26

After an uneventful war, he finished his degree and came home.

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By now in his mid-20s, Christo was struggling to come to terms

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with his sexuality.

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Homosexual in orientation, he lived in an age when same-sex

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relationships were not just a social taboo - they were illegal.

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He was equally unsure about his path in life.

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To a young upper middle class man,

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gardening was not considered a proper profession.

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But Christo decided to abandon propriety and try and make a career

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from the one thing he was genuinely passionate about.

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By his late 20s, he'd got a degree in horticulture from Wye College.

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Christopher was ready to begin transforming Great Dixter

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and the world of gardening.

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But first he would have to wrest control of the garden

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from the most powerful figure in his life.

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He said to me that she could be infuriating and,

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and there were often power struggles between her and him in the garden.

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But later on as, as he became more experienced and of course

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he took that formal training at Wye College and had the confidence

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of that formal training, he had the upper hand over his mother.

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And there was, he made it clear that there was

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a bit of a power struggle there,

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but he suddenly became the person who ruled the garden.

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But they gardened together side by side.

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And not just gardened together -

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they read together, they did needlework together,

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all of those things, and so they were extremely close.

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Christo's first great battle ground was the famous long border.

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Dividing the upper garden from the meadows below,

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it ran almost the entire width of the garden.

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Under Daisy's iron rule it had become of the garden's

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most celebrated features.

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It drew its inspiration from one of greatest gardeners of all time,

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Gertrude Jekyll.

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Jekyll's impressionistic use of colour and texture

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revolutionised garden design,

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as seen here in her garden at Munstead Wood.

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By studying in great detail the shapes and forms of plants,

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she began to combine them in subtle new ways, breaking away from

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the brashness and rigidity of the popular Victorian planting style.

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She was a prolific writer, contributing to Country Life

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and writing a hugely influential chapter on colour

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in William Robinson's bestseller The Wild Garden.

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She commissioned the architect Edwin Lutyens

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to design a home for her garden at Munstead Wood.

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It began a collaboration that produced some of the most

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famous houses and gardens of the time.

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Jekyll's philosophy shaped Lutyens and his designs

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and she created planting schemes

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for many of his most famous commissions.

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But not Great Dixter.

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It seems that Daisy Lloyd wanted to put her own stamp on the garden,

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so Jekyll was never actively involved, though the Lloyds

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bought plants from her and drew inspiration from her ideas.

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However, by the time that Christopher came into his own,

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a rebellion was brewing.

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One of the principle points of deviation from Gertrude Jekyll

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is the way in which the plants were encouraged to migrate

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towards the front of the garden.

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In a Jekyll border, it would be unusual to find something as

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majestic as the purple fennel here right on the edge of the border.

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We'd anticipate it being further back.

0:33:110:33:13

There was a polite choreography to her designs

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which allowed sufficient space for the large specimens at the back

0:33:160:33:20

and then gentle tiering and weaving until we have something like

0:33:200:33:23

the salvia tickling our ankles as we walk along the pathway here.

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But what Christopher Lloyd was able to do

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was to bring these plants to the fore

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so we start to peer behind them and around them.

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As we look through, we get just glimpses of the roses,

0:33:340:33:38

the cannas and the teasels beyond.

0:33:380:33:40

So in design terms it's a veil which just serves to entice

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and create an air of mystery and encourage that sense of exploration.

0:33:460:33:51

Christopher's designs still had a direct relationship with Jekyll,

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but he moved them on to a new level.

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Yet what Christopher Lloyd did is to then take that principle

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of looking at detail and explode it up into,

0:34:010:34:05

not just a more grand scale, but be much more just ambitious,

0:34:050:34:10

less concerned about shocking the viewer

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and more interested in creating, in a way, the view of spontaneity.

0:34:130:34:18

So a rudbeckia here, the flower form and its wonderful

0:34:180:34:22

sunflower-like structure with black centres -

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suddenly when we look back into the border we see an inula

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with exactly the same shape and form,

0:34:290:34:32

and then forward again to a helianthus.

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Three plants of different flower colours, different structures,

0:34:350:34:39

but there's enough harmony between the three to create

0:34:390:34:43

that wonderful bounce, and it's about getting the eye to move.

0:34:430:34:46

If we can allow the eye to move through a garden

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then the feet of the viewer will follow.

0:34:490:34:51

This adventurous approach to combining plants is largely

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what has made Christopher Lloyd and Great Dixter famous.

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Look what I found.

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Salvia splendens Red Arrow.

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Today, Fergus encourages his team to have that same analytical eye

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and apply that spirit of experiment throughout the garden.

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They're quite tall, salvias,

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they're splendens types so they could come in useful.

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Sounds nice.

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One of Dixter's most famous features that provides the perfect

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opportunity to hone those skills is the pot displays.

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At the front of the house, two of Fergus's team,

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Rachael and Yannick,

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are remodelling the display around the medieval porch.

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-Do you want to have the iris in the back?

-Yes.

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Show gardening and bedding displays is a bit similar,

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but this is even more instant.

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You wait until the plants are looking good or just about

0:36:010:36:04

to look good and then play with them,

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so it's quite fun. It's quite fun.

0:36:060:36:08

And it's nice that they change regularly because

0:36:080:36:12

it really frees you up to try things out.

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There's so much colour and excitement coming on

0:36:150:36:18

into these and it's great to use.

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-You see we've got that blue over there.

-Yeah.

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Shall we stick a bit more blue with it?

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A lot of the fun we have here is about contrasting plants.

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Whether that's through their form, their texture, their colour,

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and that's how we do our pot displays, as well.

0:36:350:36:38

I mean, sometimes they harmonise and that can be nice,

0:36:380:36:41

but more often than not we try and put things next to each other,

0:36:410:36:45

which excite the eye so your eye sort of...

0:36:450:36:48

It's made to work your eye.

0:36:480:36:51

Your eye is constantly made to work.

0:36:510:36:53

It makes you question things.

0:36:530:36:55

Why is this working? Because they're not always complementary colours.

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No, that's too far.

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Some white over here would be good.

0:37:040:37:06

OK, well, we've got the grass here.

0:37:060:37:09

-More calendulas there?

-Yes, let's try them.

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This doesn't really work, does it?

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Not yet.

0:37:230:37:24

Christo's growing mastery of colour gave him the confidence

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to step out of his predecessor's shadow

0:37:320:37:35

and begin to reshape the garden to his own tastes.

0:37:350:37:39

The neatly clipped putting lawn and topiary at the back of the house

0:37:390:37:42

had always epitomised his father, Nathaniel.

0:37:420:37:44

Christo decided to convert the lawn into a wild meadow

0:37:460:37:50

transforming this part of the garden by counterpointing

0:37:500:37:53

his father's traditional formality with a new freedom.

0:37:530:37:57

As he grew even bolder and more confident,

0:38:090:38:12

Christo took on other parts of his father's legacy.

0:38:120:38:16

In 1921, Christopher's father, Nathaniel,

0:38:180:38:21

created his own signature section of the garden.

0:38:210:38:25

On Lutyens' plans this area was set out

0:38:250:38:27

as a simple rectangular croquet lawn.

0:38:270:38:30

But drawing on his design experience and passion for architecture,

0:38:310:38:35

Nathaniel created what became known as the sunk garden.

0:38:350:38:38

This had been softened by Daisy,

0:38:400:38:42

but it was Christo who really transformed this part of the garden.

0:38:420:38:46

Today it vividly illustrates a century of the garden's evolution.

0:38:480:38:52

This is the sunken garden and it's perhaps one of those areas

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which best describes the layers of history of this garden,

0:39:050:39:08

and the way that the design and the plantsmanship has changed over time.

0:39:080:39:14

Lutyens had this down just as a simple green space

0:39:140:39:16

with a path all the way around the edge and enclosed by,

0:39:160:39:20

not just the barns, but also a yew hedge.

0:39:200:39:22

And then Nathaniel's version which came a little later.

0:39:220:39:26

He modified the paths, he made them much more intimate

0:39:260:39:29

and intricate, he changed the topography, imposed the pond,

0:39:290:39:33

and as soon as Christopher gets involved,

0:39:330:39:35

well, that's when the explosion really starts to happen.

0:39:350:39:39

The plants loom overhead, they bounce out of the ground,

0:39:390:39:42

they're hugely excitable,

0:39:420:39:44

the colour combinations are wild and enthusiastic.

0:39:440:39:47

As Great Dixter and Christo went from strength to strength,

0:39:490:39:53

word of his growing virtuosity spread fast.

0:39:530:39:56

Christo had always been comfortable with pen and paper

0:39:560:40:00

so when the magazine Country Life approached him

0:40:000:40:02

to write a weekly article, he didn't hesitate.

0:40:020:40:05

With Great Dixter as his muse and laboratory,

0:40:050:40:08

it was the beginning of a brilliant new career.

0:40:080:40:11

It was 42 years ago that I started writing

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every week for Country Life.

0:40:180:40:20

So that's half my life.

0:40:200:40:23

Once I'm confident about my subject and have mapped out

0:40:230:40:29

what I want to say, I can get it down very quickly.

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"If a plant bores you, something must be done about it.

0:40:360:40:40

"The simplest course, if it belongs to you, is to throw it out.

0:40:400:40:44

"If it is someone else's, look the other way.

0:40:440:40:47

"If it belongs to someone you rather dislike anyway,

0:40:470:40:50

"don't be ashamed to let it confirm you in an inclusive repulsion."

0:40:500:40:55

Christopher's writing raised his profile and brought him

0:40:560:40:59

to the attention of some of the most brilliant gardeners around.

0:40:590:41:03

By the time he wrote his classic book, The Well Tempered Garden,

0:41:030:41:07

Beth Chatto had already carved a reputation for herself

0:41:070:41:10

as a designer and writer, but his words made a remarkable impression.

0:41:100:41:15

I was absolutely bowled over by it,

0:41:150:41:17

I'd never read a book, a gardening book, so personal, so...

0:41:170:41:22

and so entertaining,

0:41:220:41:23

but also so stimulating, you know.

0:41:230:41:25

I mean, he made outrageous remarks and, erm...

0:41:250:41:29

Well, I took pen to paper for the first time ever to an author

0:41:290:41:34

and wrote to him, and while I admired it and said why,

0:41:340:41:39

I said, "But I can't agree with you over begonias."

0:41:390:41:42

Certainly Christopher couldn't stand them, and I can't do without them,

0:41:420:41:46

so I wrote and told him so.

0:41:460:41:49

He wrote back, "Come to lunch," so I did.

0:41:490:41:52

Beth's personality and garden couldn't have been more different

0:41:530:41:57

from those of Christopher and Dixter.

0:41:570:41:59

Unlike him, she hadn't inherited a garden

0:41:590:42:02

but created it from scratch just a decade before they first met.

0:42:020:42:06

Inspired by environmental ideas

0:42:060:42:08

and her husband's botanical expertise,

0:42:080:42:11

she transformed a couple of fields on the family fruit farm

0:42:110:42:14

into one of the most unique and innovative gardens in the world.

0:42:140:42:18

Working with difficult terrain and land that was too dry to farm,

0:42:200:42:23

she used her brilliant knowledge of plants to create a garden

0:42:230:42:27

that required no watering and very little maintenance.

0:42:270:42:31

Called the dry garden, it became famous all over the world

0:42:310:42:34

and over the next decade she extended her garden to include

0:42:340:42:38

a range of innovative and environmentally sensitive designs.

0:42:380:42:42

Our styles of gardening, yes, they are very different,

0:42:420:42:45

and now and again he'd get fed up with me, you know,

0:42:450:42:48

"Oh, for goodness' sake, do stop talking about ecology!"

0:42:480:42:51

In sharp contrast to Christo and Dixter,

0:42:520:42:55

Beth Chatto's gardens are serene and delicately composed

0:42:550:42:59

but, despite the contrast - or maybe because of it -

0:42:590:43:03

they became firm friends.

0:43:030:43:04

I regularly stayed with him and we did lectures together.

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We went to Australia, New Zealand, America and various places,

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and of course we were obviously connected up to be shown off

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to other people's gardens, and these people were all expecting,

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you know, Chatto and Christopher to arrive, and...

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And then Christopher would make some outrageous remark

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by going round a corner and saying,

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"What are you thinking of doing with this?"

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And the poor woman would literally blanch in front of you, you know,

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and I would pull his coat tails, tell him off afterwards.

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In 1972, Christopher's mother, Daisy, died at the age of 91.

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Daisy always had always maintained

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that people made too much of money and death,

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so there was no funeral,

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and the day after she passed away, Christopher drove up to Scotland

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to give a lecture on hardy perennials.

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For more than half a century she had dominated his world,

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so it must have been a huge loss.

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But, for the first time in his life,

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Christopher was truly the master of his own destiny.

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I'll take a different approach to stirring.

0:44:280:44:30

He often talked about the past and he would tell you what

0:44:340:44:38

a terribly shy person he was when he was younger, and that was in some

0:44:380:44:43

ways difficult to believe because he was so outgoing

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and so forthright and so much could be the life and soul of the party.

0:44:480:44:52

I think before his mother died, his life was with her,

0:44:520:44:57

and afterwards it was like discovering...

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I suppose, in a way, it was like a young person

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discovering new things about life, so he discovered friends,

0:45:030:45:06

he discovered wine, champagne, whisky, the good things in life.

0:45:060:45:11

I think having the house full brought him to life.

0:45:110:45:14

And he'd have these parties and they grew until he...

0:45:240:45:27

I think Christo started

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to get confident in himself.

0:45:280:45:30

I think the weekend visit here that took me most by surprise and

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sticks in the mind is when he said, "We've got Paul McCartney coming,"

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and I went quiet.

0:45:390:45:41

He said, "You know those, the pop combo, the Beatles?"

0:45:410:45:44

The gist of it was, a group of people would get together,

0:45:480:45:52

so you could find yourself spending the weekend literally

0:45:520:45:57

with a bookbinder, an opera singer,

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a cellist, a gardener,

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an embroiderer, and a glazier,

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a basket maker, a potter,

0:46:070:46:10

a carpenter, a bricklayer, another gardener.

0:46:100:46:14

Brilliant! You know, that was Christo.

0:46:140:46:18

'Humour was the thing that really sparked.'

0:46:240:46:27

He had this wonderful laugh that would just fill the room

0:46:270:46:32

and you might say something to him

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and you thought, "Oh, I've gone a bit too far here."

0:46:350:46:39

And he'd sort of look down and look over his glasses,

0:46:390:46:42

and then he'd erupt into laughter.

0:46:420:46:43

But do you remember

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when he started putting plants out on the porch,

0:46:460:46:49

someone sidled up to him and said

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"Do you realise to grow cannabis is illegal?"

0:46:510:46:55

"What?" "It's illegal, Mr Lloyd."

0:46:550:46:59

"That's a very good foliage plant."

0:46:590:47:02

"All the same, Mr Lloyd, I think you ought to..."

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And it is a good foliage plant!

0:47:060:47:08

He was so forthright in what he said but that was,

0:47:130:47:18

it was a sort of a challenge, everything you said was questioned

0:47:180:47:23

and it was just a wonderful sort of, you know, exchange.

0:47:230:47:28

I sort of think of it, in a way, a bit like a boxing match, you know.

0:47:280:47:31

'But, oh, some of the happiest memories.

0:47:330:47:35

'One evening Christopher and his young friend,'

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they were playing Brahms duets, and I sat by the fire,

0:47:380:47:42

and there was no light except the standard lamp

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which stood by the piano, but I was sitting at the other end of the room

0:47:450:47:49

by the fire, and all the sparks kept going up in the darkness, you see,

0:47:490:47:54

and that's remained with me for a long, long time.

0:47:540:47:57

That's what, in some ways, Dixter was to me -

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the sparks...coming off from everywhere,

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the garden, the house, the people.

0:48:050:48:07

You're not living in a vacuum, and I think people are -

0:48:110:48:16

although it sounds extraordinary -

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I think people are more important than plants.

0:48:190:48:23

And I never forget that.

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Added to his hectic social life, Christopher continued to write books

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and articles as well as lecturing all over the world.

0:48:340:48:37

Great Dixter continued to be a source of inspiration.

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But by the time Christopher reached his 70s, the relentless

0:48:400:48:44

intensity of the Dixter style of gardening

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was beginning to exhaust even him.

0:48:460:48:48

He and the garden needed fresh blood.

0:48:480:48:51

At this stage, you look at this and say, well, actually,

0:48:530:48:56

I should have another dollop of red the other side, at the far end.

0:48:560:48:59

I should have a bigger dollop of magenta here,

0:48:590:49:02

maybe carry another blue over to there.

0:49:020:49:05

Maybe have another one of those grasses,

0:49:050:49:08

those Spanish oat grasses here, so that you look through it like that.

0:49:080:49:11

This is when you do your adjustments,

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and they all go into a notebook

0:49:130:49:15

and you make those adjustments over the winter

0:49:150:49:18

and then next year, you've got something, a better picture.

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In 1993, Christo invited a brilliant young gardener

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called Fergus Garrett to come to work at Great Dixter.

0:49:260:49:30

Their extraordinary collaboration would raise the garden

0:49:300:49:33

to new heights, freeing Christo to express his talent

0:49:330:49:36

in a way that had never been possible.

0:49:360:49:38

I'll take this baby up. Wah!

0:49:400:49:42

'Fergus brought a new vitality.

0:49:430:49:47

'He gave Christopher that tremendous passion,'

0:49:470:49:51

and, I mean, I'm sure Christopher had it already,

0:49:510:49:56

but no, something changed.

0:49:560:49:58

They certainly blossomed enormously.

0:49:580:50:01

With his new protege, Fergus, by his side,

0:50:010:50:04

Christopher was ready to finally break free from the past.

0:50:040:50:08

He began by turning his gaze to one of the most

0:50:080:50:11

traditional parts of the garden.

0:50:110:50:13

This is the exotic garden, or tropical garden,

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or sub-tropical garden.

0:50:170:50:18

Some people call it the old rose garden, it used to be a rose garden

0:50:180:50:23

and was for many decades, until I think it was 1993

0:50:230:50:27

when Christopher thought that he should get rid of the roses.

0:50:270:50:31

He decided to have an idea of just creating another world,

0:50:310:50:36

if you like, so we'd been seeing a lot of tropical planting around

0:50:360:50:42

so we decided to do something that mimicked the jungle.

0:50:420:50:47

For 80 years, the old rose garden

0:50:470:50:49

had been a celebrated feature in Great Dixter.

0:50:490:50:53

Designed by Lutyens and surrounded by Nathaniel's yew hedges,

0:50:530:50:58

its ten beds filled with Daisy's favourite roses,

0:50:580:51:01

the Rose Garden epitomised the people

0:51:010:51:03

that shaped Christo and Dixter.

0:51:030:51:05

With the help of his new partner in crime, he ripped it out.

0:51:070:51:10

Christo described the moment in Country Life.

0:51:120:51:15

"The rending noise of huge old roots reminded me

0:51:150:51:18

"of a hyena devouring a plank of wood."

0:51:180:51:22

There was a big hoo-hah, how could he destroy

0:51:250:51:27

an old rose garden, and so on, and people jumped on the bandwagon

0:51:270:51:32

of saying, "Well, Lloyd's gone mad."

0:51:320:51:35

Suddenly he's ripping out the whole of Dixter

0:51:350:51:37

and all this stuff was written,

0:51:370:51:39

and he enjoyed that, and wrote about it

0:51:390:51:41

and sort of poked fun at those people.

0:51:410:51:44

'Christopher was like a small boy running away with an idea,

0:51:460:51:50

'and he's been encouraged with that'

0:51:500:51:51

by Fergus, and Fergus, the young man, the energy -

0:51:510:51:55

it was a wonderful combination.

0:51:550:51:57

Each year since then the exotic garden is replanted.

0:51:580:52:02

I want something that's going to stop your eye.

0:52:020:52:06

I'm thinking I've got a tall yucca

0:52:060:52:09

that'll paint the sky, as Beth Chatto calls it.

0:52:090:52:12

Maggie, can you just right it?

0:52:140:52:15

Just push it back a bit.

0:52:170:52:19

No, just tilt it back, Maggie.

0:52:190:52:22

Yeah, I like it there.

0:52:220:52:23

'One of the things he did teach me was to use my eyes, to analyse,

0:52:230:52:27

'and see things through his eyes'

0:52:270:52:29

of how and why things work or don't work.

0:52:290:52:33

But also he wanted me to be my own person, as well,

0:52:330:52:37

and gardening in a way became easy, very easy,

0:52:370:52:41

because you gardened as if it was your own garden.

0:52:410:52:43

So I'd say to him, "You know, Christo, I don't think that works,"

0:52:430:52:46

and he'd say, "I think it does work," and so there would be the discussion.

0:52:460:52:49

why do you think pink and orange work?

0:52:490:52:51

What about the different tones? What about the amount of green there?

0:52:510:52:54

And all those sorts of things.

0:52:540:52:56

So he sort of fine-tuned me and developed me,

0:52:560:52:59

and then towards the end of his time here

0:52:590:53:01

he just sort of let me get on with it, you know?

0:53:010:53:03

He had that confidence in me,

0:53:030:53:05

but I never forgot that it was his garden.

0:53:050:53:07

And he was such a magician, you know, he would do the unpredictable,

0:53:070:53:11

as well, so I made sure that he was in on every decision towards

0:53:110:53:14

the end because he could add that sparkle and magic to it.

0:53:140:53:17

We've got very nice groups of a big-leaved colocasia

0:53:180:53:21

and a dark-leaved dahlia with white flowers twining.

0:53:210:53:25

And then we'll have the contrast of the grey leaves around the donax.

0:53:250:53:28

There's a wonderful thing over there

0:53:280:53:30

you know, this cryptomeria, yeah, look.

0:53:300:53:33

Look at that, it's extraordinary.

0:53:360:53:38

You know, if that wasn't a conifer people would be raving about it.

0:53:380:53:42

I think it's just a wonderful plant, I wish I could have a grove of these,

0:53:420:53:45

because it works so well with the grasses that are here with it,

0:53:450:53:49

You've got a stiff canna in front of it, you see.

0:53:490:53:52

Here we've got dahlias to give us colour,

0:53:520:53:54

a variegated grass to give us a different shape

0:53:540:53:56

and here the tree of heaven that's been cut back

0:53:560:53:58

to give us those long pinnate leaves.

0:53:580:54:00

And that wonderful body,

0:54:000:54:02

this lovely texture of this gingko up against a palm tree.

0:54:020:54:06

So that's what we're using, we're using them as objects.

0:54:060:54:08

As long as it will grow here, we'll play around with it.

0:54:080:54:12

He is brilliant, he is very creative in so many ways,

0:54:120:54:18

and he's so much better than I am at so many things.

0:54:180:54:22

Well, we are just as good friends as we could be.

0:54:220:54:27

We had great fun doing this,

0:54:270:54:29

and I've got really fond memories of our moments in here

0:54:290:54:33

because I used to get here really early in the morning

0:54:330:54:36

and Christopher would be up and having a shave in his bathroom

0:54:360:54:42

over there and he'd always open the window and shout out

0:54:420:54:45

to see if I was here, and I'd answer back, and then he'd come down

0:54:450:54:49

in his dressing gown with a cup of tea or something like that.

0:54:490:54:52

That's five o'clock, six o'clock in the morning,

0:54:520:54:54

and we'd discuss a few things, he'd go back and finish

0:54:540:54:57

getting ready, have his breakfast, come out here

0:54:570:54:59

and we'd rope it off like we've done today, and we'd put a bed together.

0:54:590:55:04

Then he'd go off and write or make bread or have guests or whatever.

0:55:040:55:08

And we had this very sort of intense four or five days here of putting

0:55:080:55:11

this garden together, and every year it was different.

0:55:110:55:15

And so, although he's no longer here, I always feel him close to me

0:55:150:55:19

when I'm doing this, especially early in the mornings.

0:55:190:55:22

For over a decade, Fergus and Christo worked together

0:55:220:55:26

to make Great Dixter into the most breathtaking

0:55:260:55:29

and exciting garden in England.

0:55:290:55:31

Their remarkable collaboration ended in 2006

0:55:450:55:49

when Christo died at the age of 84 after a short illness.

0:55:490:55:53

Great Dixter is now managed by a charitable trust,

0:55:540:55:57

and under Fergus's creative leadership

0:55:570:56:00

the garden grows more vibrant and beautiful every year.

0:56:000:56:03

Christo's signature act of rebellion,

0:56:060:56:08

the exotic garden, epitomises the spirit of adventure

0:56:080:56:13

that still pulses through Great Dixter.

0:56:130:56:16

The feel is meant to be sub-tropical, or other-worldly,

0:56:180:56:22

so that leaves it open to use anything

0:56:220:56:25

that has got a strong character.

0:56:250:56:28

Do you feel now that you're gardening in the style

0:56:280:56:32

of Christopher, or do you feel as though you are your own gardener?

0:56:320:56:36

I don't think about him when I'm putting plants together.

0:56:360:56:39

I'm not thinking, well, would Christo approve of that?

0:56:390:56:43

Or, I must do something that Christo would approve of.

0:56:430:56:46

I'm just doing what I feel is right for that space,

0:56:460:56:48

and I bounce ideas off other people.

0:56:480:56:52

But undoubtedly I wouldn't be gardening in this style

0:56:520:56:55

if it wasn't for Christopher.

0:56:550:56:57

It's recognising what the strengths of a place like this is,

0:56:570:57:00

and it's protecting those strengths and being free to develop

0:57:000:57:04

other parts of it, in the free way that Christo did, as well.

0:57:040:57:10

He was very good about recognising what made this place what it is.

0:57:100:57:14

And so, in years to come, we may stand here and there may no longer

0:57:140:57:18

be an exotic garden here, it may be something completely different.

0:57:180:57:22

Would that be a bad change for Dixter?

0:57:220:57:24

No, because Dixter's always done that.

0:57:240:57:26

I think the thing is freedom of self-expression.

0:57:280:57:31

Be yourself, don't worry about what other people think.

0:57:310:57:34

Next time, one of the grandest landscape gardens - Stowe.

0:58:020:58:06

Radical, provocative, monumental, it broke free

0:58:060:58:10

from centuries of formality and put English gardens centre stage.

0:58:100:58:14

This is a really significant turning point.

0:58:140:58:17

It is the catalyst for the most important change

0:58:170:58:20

in British landscape design.

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