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Football fever is gripping this country. | 0:00:03 | 0:00:07 | |
The World Cup is coming to South Africa because of one man. | 0:00:12 | 0:00:15 | |
A man who stands for peace, equality and freedom. | 0:00:15 | 0:00:19 | |
That man is Nelson Mandela. | 0:00:19 | 0:00:22 | |
I've come here to South Africa | 0:00:22 | 0:00:24 | |
to find out how he's transformed this country | 0:00:24 | 0:00:27 | |
from international villain to a global superstar player. | 0:00:27 | 0:00:30 | |
How did he do it? | 0:00:32 | 0:00:33 | |
And what can Nelson Mandela's life tell me about being human? | 0:00:33 | 0:00:37 | |
OVER PA: Nelson Mandela! | 0:00:37 | 0:00:41 | |
For me and millions of people across the globe, | 0:00:41 | 0:00:44 | |
Nelson Mandela is the greatest man alive. | 0:00:44 | 0:00:47 | |
Where human beings are being oppressed, | 0:00:47 | 0:00:52 | |
there is more work to be done. | 0:00:52 | 0:00:55 | |
It is in your hands now. | 0:00:55 | 0:00:58 | |
Everyone, including the most famous celebrities, | 0:00:58 | 0:01:02 | |
want to get close to him. | 0:01:02 | 0:01:05 | |
But what did Mandela do to get such an incredible following? | 0:01:05 | 0:01:09 | |
I'm travelling across South Africa | 0:01:12 | 0:01:15 | |
to unlock the secret behind the Mandela legend | 0:01:15 | 0:01:17 | |
and to find out how he transformed this beautiful country. | 0:01:20 | 0:01:23 | |
-CHANTING -'Along the way, I try and score on the rugby field...' | 0:01:25 | 0:01:29 | |
Yeah, woo! | 0:01:30 | 0:01:32 | |
'..witness a raid on one of the world's most dangerous streets.' | 0:01:32 | 0:01:37 | |
There's a lot of guns. | 0:01:37 | 0:01:38 | |
'I get up close with some of the junior Mandelas.' | 0:01:39 | 0:01:42 | |
My grandfather definitely was the strictest grandfather in the world. | 0:01:42 | 0:01:47 | |
'And even meet people who've found love because of him.' | 0:01:47 | 0:01:51 | |
Awww! | 0:01:51 | 0:01:53 | |
'I'm Lenora Crichlow and my other life is an afterlife. | 0:02:07 | 0:02:11 | |
'I play Annie, the ghost in Being Human.' | 0:02:11 | 0:02:14 | |
I...I have to go. | 0:02:14 | 0:02:16 | |
It's lovely to see you. | 0:02:17 | 0:02:19 | |
'But when I was growing up here in west London, there was another man, | 0:02:19 | 0:02:24 | |
'apart from my dad of course, who played a big part in my life. | 0:02:24 | 0:02:27 | |
'That man was Nelson Mandela.' | 0:02:27 | 0:02:29 | |
Thank you very much. | 0:02:29 | 0:02:30 | |
My mother's a teacher, so everything was laminated. | 0:02:30 | 0:02:33 | |
So we had this huge laminated poster | 0:02:33 | 0:02:35 | |
in my house of Nelson Mandela and quotes | 0:02:35 | 0:02:38 | |
and it had this picture of him, kind of coming out of the sky. | 0:02:38 | 0:02:42 | |
There was a few pictures of us as children, | 0:02:42 | 0:02:45 | |
but mostly it was these kind of inspirational quotes. | 0:02:45 | 0:02:48 | |
Oh, don't! Don't! | 0:02:50 | 0:02:52 | |
Here you are! | 0:02:52 | 0:02:54 | |
I was a tomboy, that's why. | 0:02:54 | 0:02:57 | |
That's our mum. | 0:02:58 | 0:03:00 | |
That's me with my dad. | 0:03:00 | 0:03:01 | |
'The reason why Mandela was so important for me | 0:03:01 | 0:03:05 | |
'and my little brother Knowlton | 0:03:05 | 0:03:07 | |
'was because our dad was fighting for black rights too, | 0:03:07 | 0:03:11 | |
'here in Britain.' | 0:03:11 | 0:03:12 | |
I've found that one. | 0:03:12 | 0:03:14 | |
"Sweet Victory For Crichlow." | 0:03:15 | 0:03:17 | |
"No Compromise With Racism." | 0:03:17 | 0:03:20 | |
'Dad saw racism first-hand. | 0:03:20 | 0:03:22 | |
'When I was young, the police raided the restaurant he ran | 0:03:22 | 0:03:25 | |
'and he was wrongfully arrested several times.' | 0:03:25 | 0:03:28 | |
When you see, like, the police, it just looks... | 0:03:28 | 0:03:33 | |
Very oppressive. | 0:03:33 | 0:03:34 | |
Oppressive and threatening, yeah. It's not right. | 0:03:34 | 0:03:37 | |
'We've still got the video my parents made of the moment | 0:03:37 | 0:03:41 | |
'when Nelson Mandela was released from prison after 27 years.' | 0:03:41 | 0:03:45 | |
There's Mr Mandela taking his first steps into a new South Africa. | 0:03:45 | 0:03:50 | |
I do remember watching this when I was younger. | 0:03:50 | 0:03:53 | |
A bit like a lot of Dad's own history and my childhood stuff, | 0:03:53 | 0:03:57 | |
I don't remember when exactly it was, | 0:03:57 | 0:04:00 | |
they're like snapshots in my memory. | 0:04:00 | 0:04:03 | |
And when I watch it, it triggers those memories of growing up. | 0:04:03 | 0:04:07 | |
It looks like footage from my past, if you know what I mean. | 0:04:07 | 0:04:10 | |
'The whole world was gripped by Mandela's release. | 0:04:10 | 0:04:14 | |
'It meant the end of apartheid, | 0:04:14 | 0:04:16 | |
'the racist system of government in South Africa.' | 0:04:16 | 0:04:19 | |
That is the man that the world has been waiting to see. | 0:04:19 | 0:04:23 | |
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE | 0:04:23 | 0:04:25 | |
'And Britain went crazy when Mandela visited London in 1996.' | 0:04:25 | 0:04:31 | |
I want to assure you | 0:04:32 | 0:04:34 | |
that I love each and every one of you here without exception. | 0:04:34 | 0:04:39 | |
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE | 0:04:39 | 0:04:42 | |
So this bridge here is that bridge there. | 0:04:42 | 0:04:46 | |
We've got Brixton station and Atlantic Road here, | 0:04:46 | 0:04:51 | |
so under this bridge in 1996, there was a hell of a lot of people | 0:04:51 | 0:04:54 | |
who'd turned out to see Nelson Mandela. | 0:04:54 | 0:04:56 | |
It was like the Second Coming of Christ. That's the feeling. | 0:05:00 | 0:05:04 | |
Wow! Bring it home! OK! | 0:05:04 | 0:05:08 | |
Everyone felt like loving each other because he was a great man. | 0:05:08 | 0:05:12 | |
Words could fail me to describe the feeling, it was just... | 0:05:12 | 0:05:15 | |
I've never felt that feeling about anyone. | 0:05:15 | 0:05:17 | |
My brother shook his hand like three times, | 0:05:17 | 0:05:20 | |
he kept running to the end of the line. | 0:05:20 | 0:05:22 | |
How old was your brother? | 0:05:22 | 0:05:24 | |
Nine. | 0:05:24 | 0:05:25 | |
See? At nine years old he knew to get | 0:05:25 | 0:05:27 | |
as many handshakes with Nelson as possible. | 0:05:27 | 0:05:29 | |
-Every time I look at him, he just has this calm face. -Very Zen! | 0:05:29 | 0:05:36 | |
It's really superficial but it's like, "Ah." | 0:05:36 | 0:05:38 | |
-He's a nice man, you can tell. -Yeah. | 0:05:38 | 0:05:40 | |
He was here. | 0:05:42 | 0:05:44 | |
SHE LAUGHS | 0:05:44 | 0:05:46 | |
# Listen to the music... # | 0:05:51 | 0:05:53 | |
'Most of us love Mandela from a distance, | 0:05:53 | 0:05:56 | |
'but what about the people who actually know him?' | 0:05:56 | 0:05:58 | |
'I'm off to meet Sir Bob Geldof, and straightaway, he's revealing | 0:05:58 | 0:06:02 | |
'there's another side to Mandela.' | 0:06:02 | 0:06:04 | |
There's so many people... | 0:06:04 | 0:06:06 | |
He's going to fancy you no end, | 0:06:06 | 0:06:07 | |
even though he is 967 or whatever age he is. | 0:06:07 | 0:06:10 | |
He's going to come on, like, you know... | 0:06:10 | 0:06:12 | |
My word! Well, if he does, it's Nelson Mandela. | 0:06:12 | 0:06:16 | |
Yeah, there you go! | 0:06:16 | 0:06:18 | |
I'd fly home just on that. | 0:06:18 | 0:06:19 | |
The thing is you actually do want to... | 0:06:19 | 0:06:22 | |
I know it's crap but he's sort of cuddly, you know?! | 0:06:22 | 0:06:26 | |
It's so bizarre that in my life I get to know someone like Mandela. | 0:06:26 | 0:06:31 | |
And people say, you've met all these people, | 0:06:31 | 0:06:36 | |
who's the most impressive person? | 0:06:36 | 0:06:39 | |
It's a terrible cliche, but without a shadow of a doubt, | 0:06:39 | 0:06:43 | |
the most impressive person I've ever met is Nelson Mandela. | 0:06:43 | 0:06:49 | |
Because he's a great guy, he's very funny, | 0:06:49 | 0:06:53 | |
he wears seriously happening clothes, | 0:06:53 | 0:06:56 | |
adores women, loves kids, you know, | 0:06:56 | 0:06:59 | |
what's there not to like in this guy? | 0:06:59 | 0:07:02 | |
'It's time for me to head to South Africa for the first time ever. | 0:07:04 | 0:07:07 | |
'I can't wait, but I'm also a bit nervous.' | 0:07:07 | 0:07:12 | |
Everyone's told me my life's going to get changed, so change is good. | 0:07:14 | 0:07:20 | |
'My first impressions of South Africa are, "Wow!" | 0:07:31 | 0:07:34 | |
'No wonder so many people come here on holiday. | 0:07:34 | 0:07:37 | |
'And in just a few weeks, hundreds of thousands of football fans | 0:07:37 | 0:07:42 | |
'will flood here to see the World Cup. | 0:07:42 | 0:07:46 | |
'Back in 1995, the country found itself hosting the World Cup | 0:07:51 | 0:07:54 | |
'played with a different-shaped ball. | 0:07:54 | 0:07:58 | |
'I can't believe my luck. | 0:07:58 | 0:08:00 | |
'15 rugby players from the local uni, all to myself!' | 0:08:00 | 0:08:04 | |
Please don't drop me, this is my business, OK! | 0:08:04 | 0:08:07 | |
'No-one's given the South African football team | 0:08:09 | 0:08:12 | |
'much of a chance of winning the World Cup. | 0:08:12 | 0:08:14 | |
'But back then, the rugby team got all the way to the final, | 0:08:14 | 0:08:18 | |
'and Mandela put in a special appearance.' | 0:08:18 | 0:08:20 | |
Nelson Mandela came into our changing room before the game | 0:08:20 | 0:08:23 | |
and wished us luck. | 0:08:23 | 0:08:24 | |
-What did he say? -It was interesting. | 0:08:24 | 0:08:26 | |
He didn't just come in and say, "Good luck, everyone." | 0:08:26 | 0:08:29 | |
He came round, shook all our hands, | 0:08:29 | 0:08:31 | |
and he had a little message for each person. | 0:08:31 | 0:08:33 | |
It was very clear he knew the game, | 0:08:33 | 0:08:35 | |
he spoke to each guy about his little role and, most significantly, | 0:08:35 | 0:08:39 | |
he wore the Springbok shirt when he came in | 0:08:39 | 0:08:41 | |
and that was just unbelievable. | 0:08:41 | 0:08:43 | |
-About there? -It was, it was... | 0:08:43 | 0:08:45 | |
'Inspired by Mandela, | 0:08:45 | 0:08:46 | |
'Joel Stransky scored the winning kick | 0:08:46 | 0:08:49 | |
'in the last minutes of the match.' | 0:08:49 | 0:08:51 | |
Show us how it's done, Joel. | 0:08:51 | 0:08:53 | |
Oh! Oh! | 0:08:55 | 0:08:56 | |
Yeah! Woo! | 0:08:56 | 0:09:01 | |
So just like that, basically? | 0:09:03 | 0:09:05 | |
Pretty much just like that. | 0:09:05 | 0:09:08 | |
Do you remember the day and the moment? | 0:09:08 | 0:09:10 | |
If you shut your eyes, can you just hear... | 0:09:10 | 0:09:12 | |
SHE MIMICS CROWD NOISE | 0:09:12 | 0:09:14 | |
Probably not, there was so much going on around that time politically, | 0:09:14 | 0:09:18 | |
that I think the rugby memories fade. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:21 | |
The things that are most vivid in my mind, | 0:09:21 | 0:09:24 | |
it's the political issues. It was Nelson Mandela. | 0:09:24 | 0:09:27 | |
The celebrations afterwards, people of all different cultures | 0:09:27 | 0:09:30 | |
and races celebrating together. | 0:09:30 | 0:09:32 | |
And there's no doubt that at the time, the nation did unite around us. | 0:09:32 | 0:09:37 | |
-Absolutely. -And it wasn't because of us, the rugby players, | 0:09:37 | 0:09:41 | |
it was because of Nelson Mandela. | 0:09:41 | 0:09:42 | |
That was really... I'm right here, guys! | 0:09:44 | 0:09:48 | |
'At the time, rugby was seen in South Africa | 0:09:48 | 0:09:51 | |
'as a sport just for the whites.' | 0:09:51 | 0:09:53 | |
We won! We won! Mum, I won! | 0:09:53 | 0:09:55 | |
'Things are very different now.' | 0:09:55 | 0:09:57 | |
Ah, token white guy, there's always one. | 0:09:57 | 0:10:00 | |
As I understand it - and correct me if I'm wrong - the fact that you're | 0:10:00 | 0:10:04 | |
the token is actually quite a new thing in the sense that this | 0:10:04 | 0:10:08 | |
used to be a white man's game. Is that true? | 0:10:08 | 0:10:12 | |
It's not completely true | 0:10:12 | 0:10:14 | |
because there was a lot of rugby played by black people. | 0:10:14 | 0:10:17 | |
But it was never in the limelight. | 0:10:17 | 0:10:19 | |
As much as I'm the only white guy on the team, | 0:10:19 | 0:10:22 | |
I enjoy playing for this team. I love it. | 0:10:22 | 0:10:24 | |
At the moment, it's not really a colour thing, a race thing. | 0:10:24 | 0:10:28 | |
-Which is lovely. Isn't that nice... -It's a sport. | 0:10:28 | 0:10:32 | |
..that that doesn't come into it? So my next question, big question, is, | 0:10:32 | 0:10:35 | |
what does Mr Mandela mean to you guys? | 0:10:35 | 0:10:39 | |
You know when someone is a father figure to you | 0:10:39 | 0:10:41 | |
and you don't even know that person? | 0:10:41 | 0:10:43 | |
That's Mandela. Everyone has a role model | 0:10:43 | 0:10:46 | |
and I think every child in South Africa would say it's Mandela. | 0:10:46 | 0:10:50 | |
That's my side of it. | 0:10:50 | 0:10:52 | |
Basically, he's the father of our nation. | 0:10:52 | 0:10:54 | |
As he said, he's a father figure for everyone - | 0:10:54 | 0:10:57 | |
black, white, Indian, coloured - it doesn't matter. | 0:10:57 | 0:10:59 | |
He's the father of our country. | 0:10:59 | 0:11:01 | |
So you like the guy, basically? | 0:11:01 | 0:11:03 | |
-We love him, we love him! -In a nutshell! | 0:11:03 | 0:11:05 | |
Yeah, he's all right, isn't he? | 0:11:05 | 0:11:08 | |
This is a hot scrum, guys. | 0:11:08 | 0:11:10 | |
Thank you for inviting me in. | 0:11:10 | 0:11:14 | |
It's been moving. I feel very privileged, trust me. | 0:11:14 | 0:11:17 | |
This is what we do, pre and post the game. It's our war cry. | 0:11:17 | 0:11:20 | |
LOUD CHANTING | 0:11:20 | 0:11:22 | |
'When Nelson Mandela was a young man, | 0:11:30 | 0:11:32 | |
'South Africa was a very different place. | 0:11:32 | 0:11:36 | |
'White people, who make up less than 10% of the population, | 0:11:36 | 0:11:39 | |
'ruled the country. | 0:11:39 | 0:11:41 | |
'Racist laws, made to keep blacks separate from whites, | 0:11:41 | 0:11:44 | |
'meant black people had to live | 0:11:44 | 0:11:46 | |
'where they were told and couldn't travel without permission.' | 0:11:46 | 0:11:50 | |
TV BROADCAST: 'If the police stop an African | 0:11:50 | 0:11:52 | |
'and he has forgotten his book of passes, they put him into jail.' | 0:11:52 | 0:11:56 | |
'Blacks were separated from whites | 0:11:56 | 0:11:58 | |
'in everyday places like beaches, schools, hospitals and buses. | 0:11:58 | 0:12:03 | |
'Black people didn't have the vote, | 0:12:03 | 0:12:06 | |
'and were third-class citizens in their own country. | 0:12:06 | 0:12:09 | |
'And if they complained, they were dealt with, often brutally. | 0:12:09 | 0:12:14 | |
'In 1960, at a place called Sharpeville, | 0:12:14 | 0:12:18 | |
'police shot dead 69 unarmed protestors. | 0:12:18 | 0:12:21 | |
'This terrible massacre helped convince Nelson Mandela | 0:12:25 | 0:12:29 | |
'to become a freedom fighter. | 0:12:29 | 0:12:30 | |
'He set up the armed wing of the government's main opposition - | 0:12:30 | 0:12:34 | |
'the African National Congress, | 0:12:34 | 0:12:37 | |
'the ANC. And so the white government threw him in jail. | 0:12:37 | 0:12:42 | |
DOORS SLAMMING | 0:12:42 | 0:12:45 | |
# You can set me free or bang me up | 0:12:45 | 0:12:49 | |
# Just stop torturing and tell me what you're gonna do... # | 0:12:49 | 0:12:52 | |
'I'm heading to the island prison | 0:12:52 | 0:12:54 | |
'where Mandela served most of his 27 years inside. | 0:12:54 | 0:12:58 | |
'Robben Island was a maximum-security, black-only, | 0:13:02 | 0:13:05 | |
'political prison. | 0:13:05 | 0:13:06 | |
'Life there was very tough. | 0:13:08 | 0:13:10 | |
'Hard manual labour was part of the punishment.' | 0:13:10 | 0:13:13 | |
If I was on my way here to be imprisoned on an island, | 0:13:13 | 0:13:17 | |
'I'd be absolutely terrified. | 0:13:17 | 0:13:20 | |
I think I'd be very tempted to jump ship. | 0:13:20 | 0:13:23 | |
'There are no prisoners here now, | 0:13:28 | 0:13:30 | |
'but they've left the buildings standing as a reminder of the past.' | 0:13:30 | 0:13:35 | |
This is the master key. It opens and closes twice. | 0:13:40 | 0:13:45 | |
You see, I'm doing it gently. | 0:13:45 | 0:13:48 | |
During the prison time, they would really make some serious noise. LOUD CLANKING | 0:13:48 | 0:13:55 | |
The idea was always to affect you here. | 0:13:55 | 0:14:00 | |
Do you want to come in? | 0:14:00 | 0:14:02 | |
No! | 0:14:03 | 0:14:05 | |
Come on, please. | 0:14:05 | 0:14:06 | |
Mandela is a very tall man. | 0:14:09 | 0:14:11 | |
When he came in here he would have to bend a little bit. | 0:14:11 | 0:14:16 | |
For him to spend 18 years of his life in this space | 0:14:16 | 0:14:22 | |
using these two mats and those four blankets... | 0:14:22 | 0:14:26 | |
There was no toilets and shower. | 0:14:26 | 0:14:28 | |
And so this is what was used. | 0:14:28 | 0:14:31 | |
If you don't like small spaces, | 0:14:31 | 0:14:35 | |
this would be the wrong place for you to be in. | 0:14:35 | 0:14:38 | |
Do you have a question? | 0:14:38 | 0:14:40 | |
-VOICE BREAKING -No. | 0:14:43 | 0:14:45 | |
Let me give you a moment. | 0:14:45 | 0:14:47 | |
'Standing here in Mandela's actual cell, | 0:14:58 | 0:15:02 | |
'it all starts to feel so much more real, and so much more cruel. | 0:15:02 | 0:15:08 | |
'Almost 20 years in a place this size. | 0:15:08 | 0:15:11 | |
'How could anyone cope?' | 0:15:11 | 0:15:14 | |
When apartheid was at its strongest, | 0:15:16 | 0:15:19 | |
we needed a symbol | 0:15:19 | 0:15:22 | |
that would capture that struggle. | 0:15:22 | 0:15:27 | |
And Mandela became that symbol. | 0:15:27 | 0:15:30 | |
'Hundreds of political prisoners were held here in these tiny cells. | 0:15:30 | 0:15:34 | |
'My guide, Dede, was one of them.' | 0:15:34 | 0:15:37 | |
This is the cell I was kept in. | 0:15:37 | 0:15:41 | |
Six years and five months of my imprisonment was spent in this cell. | 0:15:41 | 0:15:47 | |
You're going to think this is weird but, | 0:15:47 | 0:15:51 | |
for me, I've developed this system. | 0:15:51 | 0:15:57 | |
When I have my rough days | 0:15:57 | 0:16:00 | |
in the prison tours, | 0:16:00 | 0:16:04 | |
when everybody is gone, | 0:16:04 | 0:16:06 | |
I come back here. I sit here. | 0:16:06 | 0:16:10 | |
Sometimes I cry. | 0:16:10 | 0:16:13 | |
Sometimes I think about my father. | 0:16:13 | 0:16:18 | |
My father is my hero. | 0:16:18 | 0:16:20 | |
And I never got to bury my father. | 0:16:23 | 0:16:26 | |
They killed my father in such a cruel way. | 0:16:27 | 0:16:30 | |
He opened a letter. | 0:16:33 | 0:16:34 | |
It was a parcel bomb | 0:16:34 | 0:16:36 | |
and it blew him up. | 0:16:36 | 0:16:38 | |
They found a head there, a torso there, a leg there. | 0:16:38 | 0:16:44 | |
My father was reduced to a black plastic bag. | 0:16:44 | 0:16:49 | |
You understand? | 0:16:49 | 0:16:52 | |
A black plastic bag. | 0:16:52 | 0:16:54 | |
I never got to say goodbye. | 0:16:56 | 0:16:57 | |
Dede, you are a brave man. | 0:17:33 | 0:17:36 | |
My father is my hero, too. | 0:17:36 | 0:17:38 | |
He went to prison, too. | 0:17:40 | 0:17:44 | |
-He's still alive but he's ill. -Oh, man. | 0:17:44 | 0:17:50 | |
Like you say, Mandela is the name and the symbol, | 0:17:50 | 0:17:56 | |
but there's so many men. | 0:17:56 | 0:17:59 | |
And you just think... | 0:17:59 | 0:18:02 | |
..just, cheap life. | 0:18:06 | 0:18:08 | |
Yeah, I understand. | 0:18:08 | 0:18:12 | |
You know, black life, African life's so cheap. | 0:18:12 | 0:18:16 | |
That's the thing, that's the thing. | 0:18:16 | 0:18:19 | |
# I want you | 0:18:27 | 0:18:29 | |
# I want you right now | 0:18:29 | 0:18:30 | |
# Need you | 0:18:30 | 0:18:31 | |
# I need you right now... # | 0:18:31 | 0:18:33 | |
'This is Loyiso Bala, | 0:18:33 | 0:18:35 | |
'a double-platinum-selling, massive South African star. | 0:18:35 | 0:18:39 | |
'In his home township, Loyiso is now a bit of a celebrity. | 0:18:53 | 0:18:58 | |
'When Mandela was in jail, Loyiso was growing up | 0:18:58 | 0:19:01 | |
'on these streets, living every day in fear of the white police.' | 0:19:01 | 0:19:05 | |
What really got to me was the way that the system would | 0:19:05 | 0:19:09 | |
infiltrate us within our communities. | 0:19:09 | 0:19:13 | |
There would be police going up and down in trucks, day in and day out. | 0:19:13 | 0:19:20 | |
-On this road? -On this exact road. | 0:19:20 | 0:19:22 | |
If you're going to call it apartheid | 0:19:22 | 0:19:24 | |
and say that people should be segregated, then leave us alone. | 0:19:24 | 0:19:28 | |
And if you don't want us there, then leave us alone. | 0:19:28 | 0:19:30 | |
'But for kids like Loyiso, Nelson Mandela was a hero.' | 0:19:30 | 0:19:35 | |
Nelson Mandela, when I grew up, he was like, you know in a fairy tale | 0:19:35 | 0:19:42 | |
when you hear about the prince who is going to come and save the people? | 0:19:42 | 0:19:46 | |
That was Nelson Mandela to us. | 0:19:46 | 0:19:48 | |
He was sort of like, | 0:19:48 | 0:19:49 | |
this mythological hero who would one day come out of prison and save us. | 0:19:49 | 0:19:56 | |
-Hi, I'm Lenora. -This is my mum... | 0:19:56 | 0:19:58 | |
'I'm staying the night with Loyiso's family.' | 0:19:58 | 0:20:02 | |
Oh! Hello, Lenora, pleased to meet you. | 0:20:02 | 0:20:05 | |
'Before dinner, Loyiso lets me in on a little secret.' | 0:20:05 | 0:20:08 | |
When I was about four or five and they would ask, | 0:20:08 | 0:20:11 | |
"What do you want to be when you grow up?" | 0:20:11 | 0:20:13 | |
I said, "I want to be a white man." | 0:20:13 | 0:20:15 | |
That's brilliant! Oh, my gosh! | 0:20:15 | 0:20:18 | |
That's how sad it was... | 0:20:18 | 0:20:21 | |
-Dream big! -That's just dreaming! | 0:20:21 | 0:20:23 | |
I thought that was the change, that eventually we'd be white people. | 0:20:23 | 0:20:30 | |
-And that's how life kind of gets better. -Wow. | 0:20:30 | 0:20:33 | |
-Oh, food. -Nice.. | 0:20:35 | 0:20:37 | |
Thank you very much. | 0:20:37 | 0:20:39 | |
'Loyiso's uncle was involved with the ANC. | 0:20:39 | 0:20:42 | |
'The police arrested him and tried to turn him into an informer.' | 0:20:42 | 0:20:46 | |
It was about breaking your spirit up to a point | 0:21:12 | 0:21:14 | |
where you couldn't rise, you couldn't think, you felt inferior... | 0:21:14 | 0:21:18 | |
What strikes me is, when you talk about fighting back, | 0:21:20 | 0:21:24 | |
it's not from a place of anger or resentment or blame. | 0:21:24 | 0:21:28 | |
It's much more a thing of... | 0:21:28 | 0:21:31 | |
That you were fighting for equality. | 0:21:31 | 0:21:34 | |
Obviously this is about Nelson Mandela, | 0:21:34 | 0:21:37 | |
but I see where Nelson Mandela gets it from. | 0:21:37 | 0:21:41 | |
SINGING | 0:21:43 | 0:21:45 | |
'As the sun went down, | 0:21:46 | 0:21:48 | |
'I found out where Loyiso gets his musical talent from.' | 0:21:48 | 0:21:52 | |
Just now, I was really flagging. | 0:21:53 | 0:21:57 | |
Then this music came out of the garage | 0:21:57 | 0:22:00 | |
of the house we're staying in. | 0:22:00 | 0:22:03 | |
And I went outside and the choir rehearses in the garage every night. | 0:22:03 | 0:22:07 | |
And this music just went straight to my core. | 0:22:07 | 0:22:11 | |
It's like an injection of... I don't know, I've never taken ProPlus, | 0:22:11 | 0:22:15 | |
but ProPlus. It just invigorated me. | 0:22:15 | 0:22:18 | |
And it really kind of sums up how this place is. | 0:22:18 | 0:22:23 | |
It speaks straight to my heart and my soul | 0:22:23 | 0:22:25 | |
and it challenges me to challenge the way I think. | 0:22:25 | 0:22:30 | |
I've not met any victims here. | 0:22:30 | 0:22:35 | |
Nobody I've spoken to wants to be thought of, | 0:22:35 | 0:22:40 | |
or would call themselves a victim in any sense of the word. | 0:22:40 | 0:22:45 | |
SINGING | 0:22:45 | 0:22:47 | |
'When Mandela was released from prison in 1990, | 0:23:10 | 0:23:14 | |
'South Africa turned into one big party. | 0:23:14 | 0:23:18 | |
'People had been waiting for years for this moment. | 0:23:18 | 0:23:23 | |
'But the moment passed. | 0:23:23 | 0:23:25 | |
'Almost immediately, the country plunged into bloodshed and violence. | 0:23:25 | 0:23:29 | |
'Some white people hated the idea that Mandela had been set free. | 0:23:29 | 0:23:34 | |
'And some of South Africa's rulers deliberately caused violence between | 0:23:34 | 0:23:39 | |
'the country's different tribes, with shocking results.' | 0:23:39 | 0:23:43 | |
They used to form these columns, almost like the houses... | 0:23:43 | 0:23:46 | |
'As a young journalist, Thandeka saw the worst of it.' | 0:23:46 | 0:23:50 | |
This machete was typically used by migrant labourers | 0:23:52 | 0:23:57 | |
like the men who are around us now. | 0:23:57 | 0:24:00 | |
This kind of violence was called necklacing. | 0:24:00 | 0:24:03 | |
Here you see a man aflame. | 0:24:03 | 0:24:06 | |
How it was done is that people put a necklace over someone and ignite it. | 0:24:06 | 0:24:12 | |
-So it's divide and rule? -Divide and rule of the most vicious type... | 0:24:12 | 0:24:18 | |
To make it look like black-on-black violence and to give to the world | 0:24:18 | 0:24:25 | |
an image of ethnic genocide which never happened in this country. | 0:24:25 | 0:24:30 | |
The minute that government was out of place | 0:24:30 | 0:24:33 | |
and could no longer use state funds to sponsor this kind of thing, | 0:24:33 | 0:24:37 | |
you saw a cessation of it. | 0:24:37 | 0:24:39 | |
Did you ever see white foot soldiers attacking? | 0:24:39 | 0:24:44 | |
Yes, they would. Let me show you some pictures. Here they are. | 0:24:44 | 0:24:48 | |
Here they are. | 0:24:48 | 0:24:50 | |
GUNFIRE | 0:24:50 | 0:24:53 | |
'Everyone was fighting everyone. The country was tearing itself apart.' | 0:24:53 | 0:24:59 | |
You people must get out now very quickly, OK? | 0:25:05 | 0:25:09 | |
'It was Nelson Mandela who ultimately stopped this violence. | 0:25:12 | 0:25:15 | |
'He told his followers to put down their weapons.' | 0:25:15 | 0:25:19 | |
Take your guns, your knives, | 0:25:19 | 0:25:22 | |
and throw them into the sea. | 0:25:22 | 0:25:25 | |
I cherish the ideal of a new South Africa | 0:25:27 | 0:25:32 | |
where all South Africans are equal. | 0:25:32 | 0:25:35 | |
'Mandela's time had come. | 0:25:35 | 0:25:38 | |
'The white president agreed to his peace plans. | 0:25:38 | 0:25:42 | |
'Four years after Mandela was set free, there was an election | 0:25:42 | 0:25:46 | |
'and millions of black South Africans | 0:25:46 | 0:25:49 | |
'took to the streets to vote for the very first time. | 0:25:49 | 0:25:52 | |
'It was another incredible day for South Africa. | 0:25:56 | 0:25:59 | |
'Thandeka was in the crowd.' | 0:25:59 | 0:26:01 | |
I voted for the first time in '94. | 0:26:01 | 0:26:04 | |
It was exhilarating | 0:26:04 | 0:26:06 | |
because people stood in the line and started screaming. | 0:26:06 | 0:26:11 | |
But we didn't scream inside the voting booth because, | 0:26:11 | 0:26:15 | |
if we were to do so, it would disturb other people's right to vote. | 0:26:15 | 0:26:20 | |
If people have waited a thousand or hundred years to vote, | 0:26:20 | 0:26:27 | |
you just don't disturb them when you are voting. | 0:26:27 | 0:26:30 | |
Then you can really scream afterwards and throw your hands up! | 0:26:30 | 0:26:35 | |
I wish I could describe such an exciting voting experience for me. | 0:26:35 | 0:26:40 | |
It's more like, "Leah, have you voted?" | 0:26:40 | 0:26:42 | |
"Going, Mum, going." | 0:26:42 | 0:26:45 | |
I shall never miss my vote again. | 0:26:47 | 0:26:50 | |
-Please don't. -That is a vow. | 0:26:50 | 0:26:53 | |
People quite happily queuing for hours to vote for the first time | 0:26:55 | 0:27:01 | |
as adults - that's really such profound stuff to me. | 0:27:01 | 0:27:06 | |
It's really given me a sense of, I don't know, | 0:27:06 | 0:27:11 | |
a very empowering feeling, | 0:27:11 | 0:27:14 | |
to have gone from that level of devastation, violence, | 0:27:14 | 0:27:19 | |
turmoil, persecution, discrimination, | 0:27:19 | 0:27:23 | |
and then to be where they are now, | 0:27:23 | 0:27:26 | |
it's like having a cold shower. | 0:27:26 | 0:27:31 | |
It just goes, "Wow! Wow!" | 0:27:31 | 0:27:34 | |
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE | 0:27:34 | 0:27:35 | |
I, Nelson Mandela, | 0:27:35 | 0:27:39 | |
do hereby swear to be faithful to the Republic of South Africa. | 0:27:39 | 0:27:45 | |
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE | 0:27:45 | 0:27:47 | |
'Mandela became the first black president of South Africa in 1994. | 0:27:47 | 0:27:52 | |
'Overnight, people who'd hated each other before joined forces. | 0:27:55 | 0:27:59 | |
'It's amazing how one man managed to get such a divided country. | 0:27:59 | 0:28:04 | |
'But there's another side to this incredible man - his family. | 0:28:09 | 0:28:13 | |
'Nelson Mandela lost 27 years in prison but still found time | 0:28:13 | 0:28:19 | |
'to have three wives, six children and 27 grandchildren. | 0:28:19 | 0:28:25 | |
'At 91 years old, he doesn't do interviews, so today, | 0:28:25 | 0:28:28 | |
'I'm meeting the next-best thing - one of his grandsons, Ndaba. | 0:28:28 | 0:28:32 | |
'He even looks like him. | 0:28:32 | 0:28:34 | |
'We're outside one of the prisons that Mandela was held in.' | 0:28:34 | 0:28:37 | |
Nice to see you. How are you doing? | 0:28:37 | 0:28:40 | |
-I'm good. How are you? -I'm OK. How is he as a grandfather? | 0:28:40 | 0:28:44 | |
Is he hands-on? | 0:28:44 | 0:28:46 | |
Not much hands-on but, whenever | 0:28:46 | 0:28:48 | |
you meet him, he'll always ask what you're doing. He's always interested. | 0:28:48 | 0:28:53 | |
What where your earliest memories of him growing up? | 0:28:53 | 0:28:57 | |
He was very strict. | 0:28:57 | 0:29:00 | |
He used very unconventional ways to try and instil some discipline. | 0:29:00 | 0:29:04 | |
I remember I'd lost my school jersey twice. | 0:29:04 | 0:29:09 | |
He was angry and he was like, "You don't have any value for things. | 0:29:09 | 0:29:14 | |
"You're very careless. Today you must sleep outside." | 0:29:14 | 0:29:17 | |
SHE LAUGHS | 0:29:17 | 0:29:18 | |
Sorry, I like that! | 0:29:18 | 0:29:20 | |
"Sleep outside." And did you lose your jersey again? | 0:29:20 | 0:29:23 | |
-No. -Job done! | 0:29:23 | 0:29:25 | |
Sleep outside. Wow! | 0:29:25 | 0:29:29 | |
-Did he ever raise his voice? -Sometimes, he would be in a good mood | 0:29:29 | 0:29:32 | |
and he would be telling stories, one after the other. | 0:29:32 | 0:29:37 | |
Sometimes he would be just in a bad mood, a foul mood | 0:29:37 | 0:29:40 | |
and he wouldn't talk or say anything. | 0:29:40 | 0:29:42 | |
And when he does talk, it's like, it's very stern, very hard. | 0:29:42 | 0:29:46 | |
Mandela's family is part of a traditional African tribe | 0:29:46 | 0:29:50 | |
which has an extreme way of turning boys into men. | 0:29:50 | 0:29:53 | |
We Xhosa men, we don't get circumcised at birth, | 0:29:53 | 0:29:57 | |
-we get circumcised round about the age of 18. -Ouch! | 0:29:57 | 0:30:01 | |
We go to a mountain. | 0:30:01 | 0:30:03 | |
It's like a sacred place for men, and only men can discuss it. | 0:30:03 | 0:30:07 | |
And you're not even allowed to say, especially to a woman, | 0:30:07 | 0:30:10 | |
it's even worse. Then you get the worst luck. | 0:30:10 | 0:30:12 | |
I totally respect that. | 0:30:12 | 0:30:15 | |
You can imagine. You go to get circumcised. | 0:30:15 | 0:30:18 | |
No anaesthetics, no conventional medicine or drugs. | 0:30:18 | 0:30:23 | |
It's pure herbs. | 0:30:23 | 0:30:25 | |
So you are getting cut with a hot spear that has been sharpened. | 0:30:25 | 0:30:32 | |
And you get treated with natural herbs. | 0:30:32 | 0:30:36 | |
As you can imagine, | 0:30:36 | 0:30:38 | |
you have to be a man to go through that whole experience for a month. | 0:30:38 | 0:30:42 | |
Yeah, I'll say. | 0:30:42 | 0:30:44 | |
If you want to know more about it... | 0:30:44 | 0:30:46 | |
They breed their men tough here in South Africa. | 0:30:46 | 0:30:49 | |
Maybe that's where Mandela gets his strength from. | 0:30:49 | 0:30:54 | |
Before it felt like I had an almost | 0:30:54 | 0:30:56 | |
animated cartoon version of him in my head. | 0:30:56 | 0:30:59 | |
And now, getting to know him, | 0:30:59 | 0:31:02 | |
the amount of respect and admiration is not at all wavering. | 0:31:02 | 0:31:08 | |
I'm growing in appreciation because he is becoming more real to me. | 0:31:08 | 0:31:15 | |
In 1999, after five years of being president, Mandela stepped down. | 0:31:17 | 0:31:22 | |
He was 80-years-old | 0:31:22 | 0:31:23 | |
and thought younger people should be running the country. | 0:31:23 | 0:31:26 | |
But instead of retiring like any normal grandfather, | 0:31:31 | 0:31:33 | |
Mandela set off on a worldwide mission to get more things done | 0:31:33 | 0:31:37 | |
for the country he loved. | 0:31:37 | 0:31:39 | |
He used his image and personality - | 0:31:41 | 0:31:44 | |
including his unique taste in shirts - | 0:31:44 | 0:31:47 | |
his charm and his celebrity friends to persuade world leaders and people | 0:31:47 | 0:31:52 | |
like you and me to support big causes like Make Poverty History. | 0:31:52 | 0:31:58 | |
In this new century, millions of people | 0:31:58 | 0:32:00 | |
in the world's poorest countries, | 0:32:00 | 0:32:03 | |
they are trapped in the prison of poverty. | 0:32:03 | 0:32:07 | |
APPLAUSE AND CHEERING | 0:32:07 | 0:32:09 | |
But for Mandela, his biggest campaign of all | 0:32:10 | 0:32:12 | |
is also very personal to him - | 0:32:12 | 0:32:15 | |
AIDS. | 0:32:15 | 0:32:18 | |
You young people, | 0:32:18 | 0:32:20 | |
HIV doesn't just happen, like getting a cold. | 0:32:20 | 0:32:24 | |
Millions of people have died of AIDS in South Africa, | 0:32:24 | 0:32:26 | |
including Mandela's own son. | 0:32:26 | 0:32:30 | |
Another tragedy of the disease | 0:32:39 | 0:32:41 | |
is that one and a half million children now don't have parents. | 0:32:41 | 0:32:46 | |
This orphanage, like hundreds of other outreach projects, | 0:32:51 | 0:32:54 | |
is part funded by the Nelson Mandela Children's Fund. | 0:32:54 | 0:32:58 | |
You take them as your children, | 0:33:01 | 0:33:02 | |
not as another person's child. | 0:33:02 | 0:33:05 | |
This is my child and that one is my child, and that one is my child. | 0:33:05 | 0:33:09 | |
you would teach them the same way. | 0:33:09 | 0:33:11 | |
Nosipho is one of the many carers Mandela helps pay for. | 0:33:11 | 0:33:15 | |
And so far, Nelson Mandela's raised £50m | 0:33:18 | 0:33:22 | |
to improve the lives of children, | 0:33:22 | 0:33:25 | |
involving celebrities and his entire family in the process. | 0:33:25 | 0:33:29 | |
Meet my second Mandela grandson, Kweku. | 0:33:29 | 0:33:33 | |
For a long time, not just in our family but within this nation, | 0:33:33 | 0:33:38 | |
there was a certain belief that HIV and AIDS was a poor man's disease. | 0:33:38 | 0:33:43 | |
And it really proved that it wasn't. | 0:33:43 | 0:33:45 | |
It struck us all and I think, for us, | 0:33:47 | 0:33:49 | |
the key was not to sweep this under the carpet | 0:33:49 | 0:33:53 | |
and act like this hadn't happened, but to show people. | 0:33:53 | 0:33:57 | |
I talk about my granddad trying to lead by example, losing his only... | 0:33:57 | 0:34:02 | |
his last son... | 0:34:02 | 0:34:04 | |
and having the courage to sit there | 0:34:04 | 0:34:07 | |
and tell the world that he died of HIV and AIDS. | 0:34:07 | 0:34:11 | |
It was hard because a lot of people wanted to share in our suffering. | 0:34:11 | 0:34:15 | |
I remember my uncle's funeral and how massive it was, | 0:34:15 | 0:34:19 | |
how many people came to it. | 0:34:19 | 0:34:21 | |
It was endearing because you see this huge amount of support. | 0:34:21 | 0:34:25 | |
But at the same time, | 0:34:25 | 0:34:26 | |
you feel that you want to have some sort of privacy. | 0:34:26 | 0:34:31 | |
'AIDS has touched almost every family in South Africa...' | 0:34:31 | 0:34:35 | |
Nose. What about your hair? | 0:34:35 | 0:34:38 | |
'..but fewer people are now getting infected.' | 0:34:38 | 0:34:41 | |
And, for me, this place is not sad, it's surprisingly full of hope. | 0:34:41 | 0:34:46 | |
Can I get a big hug from everybody? | 0:34:46 | 0:34:48 | |
I have to go now. I don't want to go. | 0:34:48 | 0:34:51 | |
Thank you so much. | 0:34:51 | 0:34:54 | |
Squeezed with love. | 0:34:56 | 0:34:59 | |
My journey so far has been packed and I feel like I've seen so much. | 0:35:08 | 0:35:12 | |
The more I see of this amazing country and its people, | 0:35:12 | 0:35:16 | |
the more I feel at home. | 0:35:16 | 0:35:17 | |
This is a country that knows how to eat, drink and relax. | 0:35:17 | 0:35:22 | |
And how to have a good time. | 0:35:22 | 0:35:24 | |
It's funny, one of the standard ideas | 0:35:25 | 0:35:28 | |
that comes with Africa is the idea of starvation. | 0:35:28 | 0:35:33 | |
Listen, every other place to stop, | 0:35:33 | 0:35:36 | |
there's some serious barbecuing going on. | 0:35:36 | 0:35:39 | |
So just for today, just for here, no one's going hungry. | 0:35:39 | 0:35:43 | |
Time for a night off in one of Johannesburg's exclusive nightclubs. | 0:35:47 | 0:35:52 | |
But in other parts of this city, | 0:36:20 | 0:36:22 | |
every night, there's a reminder that South Africa still has big problems. | 0:36:22 | 0:36:28 | |
Crime is massive on these streets. | 0:36:28 | 0:36:31 | |
There are 18,000 murders a year in South Africa, | 0:36:31 | 0:36:35 | |
and visitors to the World Cup have been warned to be on their guard. | 0:36:35 | 0:36:38 | |
I'm heading for a township called Alexandra. | 0:36:45 | 0:36:47 | |
It's got a pretty scary reputation. | 0:36:47 | 0:36:51 | |
It's not safe for outsiders to drive here at night, | 0:36:51 | 0:36:54 | |
let alone get of their cars. | 0:36:54 | 0:36:56 | |
So I'm joining the police on patrol. | 0:37:00 | 0:37:02 | |
Already tonight, a man has been stabbed to death. | 0:37:02 | 0:37:05 | |
The police are stopping and searching people, | 0:37:05 | 0:37:08 | |
hunting for weapons. | 0:37:08 | 0:37:10 | |
I suppose what's quite alarming about it is the route we just took, | 0:37:24 | 0:37:29 | |
the police presence was very, very heavy. | 0:37:29 | 0:37:33 | |
There's a lot of cars, a lot of vehicles, | 0:37:33 | 0:37:34 | |
a lot of guns, a lot of bullet-proof vests, a lot of heads. | 0:37:34 | 0:37:39 | |
The manpower was a lot. | 0:37:39 | 0:37:42 | |
It kind of is a reflection of how severe | 0:37:42 | 0:37:46 | |
the crime is, if that's the counter action. | 0:37:46 | 0:37:50 | |
I've noticed the police are not going down any of | 0:37:53 | 0:37:56 | |
the side alleys off this main road and they are staying close to their | 0:37:56 | 0:38:00 | |
support vehicles at all times. | 0:38:00 | 0:38:03 | |
It suddenly feels very tense. | 0:38:06 | 0:38:09 | |
They're raiding this bar for knives and guns. | 0:38:09 | 0:38:11 | |
And a man is arrested. | 0:38:11 | 0:38:13 | |
The whole area feels very on edge. | 0:38:18 | 0:38:20 | |
This is a totally different side to South Africa. | 0:38:20 | 0:38:23 | |
It's the morning after and I've come back to Alex | 0:38:35 | 0:38:38 | |
to see what it's like in the daylight. | 0:38:38 | 0:38:40 | |
Being here this morning certainly feels | 0:38:40 | 0:38:46 | |
like what was all the fuss about last night? | 0:38:46 | 0:38:49 | |
It feels safe. It feels open and friendly. | 0:38:49 | 0:38:52 | |
Something about it being Sunday | 0:38:52 | 0:38:55 | |
and seeing quite a few people in their Sunday best. | 0:38:55 | 0:38:59 | |
The sense of community here feels very strong, | 0:39:16 | 0:39:20 | |
so why is there so much violence in this neighbourhood? | 0:39:20 | 0:39:25 | |
In the crowd, I get chatting with a woman called Thembe. | 0:39:29 | 0:39:33 | |
She knows all about the crime on the streets. | 0:39:33 | 0:39:36 | |
December, and this guy came with a gun and he said, "Give me the phone | 0:39:36 | 0:39:41 | |
"or else I'm going to shoot you." | 0:39:41 | 0:39:43 | |
I remember seeing there was one guy, | 0:39:43 | 0:39:46 | |
I think he didn't know anything about this area. | 0:39:46 | 0:39:52 | |
You know you would get like you guys, | 0:39:52 | 0:39:53 | |
you would come here but he was coming from another region. | 0:39:53 | 0:39:58 | |
I saw these guys, they went to him, | 0:39:58 | 0:40:01 | |
and he had a bag, they took his bag, and they shot him. | 0:40:01 | 0:40:05 | |
They killed him, just like that. | 0:40:05 | 0:40:07 | |
Thembe offers to take me down the alleys | 0:40:07 | 0:40:10 | |
the police didn't want to patrol. | 0:40:10 | 0:40:13 | |
Everybody here, they all share this toilet. | 0:40:13 | 0:40:19 | |
All of them. | 0:40:19 | 0:40:20 | |
Over one in four black South Africans are unemployed. | 0:40:20 | 0:40:24 | |
And half the black population lives on less than £3 a day. | 0:40:24 | 0:40:29 | |
There's more than 10 people in this house. | 0:40:29 | 0:40:31 | |
Oh. That's a party. | 0:40:31 | 0:40:34 | |
Where's their water? Do they have a water supply? | 0:40:34 | 0:40:37 | |
They use the toilet that I showed you, it's got a tap. | 0:40:37 | 0:40:40 | |
We go further into the maze of shacks and slum houses. | 0:40:40 | 0:40:45 | |
Thembe tells me that 50 people live in this building. | 0:40:45 | 0:40:48 | |
More than five people sleep here. | 0:40:48 | 0:40:51 | |
And then each room is separated with these sheets. | 0:40:56 | 0:41:02 | |
So there's still more that side. | 0:41:04 | 0:41:05 | |
-OK, there's more. -But you can't... | 0:41:05 | 0:41:08 | |
I don't know, it's very dark. | 0:41:08 | 0:41:10 | |
They are renting this place. | 0:41:13 | 0:41:15 | |
OK. | 0:41:15 | 0:41:16 | |
Surely it's this poverty that's behind the massive crime problem. | 0:41:20 | 0:41:24 | |
The 2010 FIFA World Cup | 0:41:26 | 0:41:30 | |
will be organised in South Africa. | 0:41:30 | 0:41:33 | |
Nelson Mandela was the centrepiece of the campaign | 0:41:37 | 0:41:40 | |
to bring the World Cup to South Africa. | 0:41:40 | 0:41:43 | |
There will be 32 nations taking part, | 0:41:43 | 0:41:45 | |
and millions of people will flock to 10 stadiums across the country. | 0:41:45 | 0:41:50 | |
Everywhere I go, I can feel the excitement. | 0:41:50 | 0:41:53 | |
Football is a huge passion here. | 0:41:53 | 0:41:57 | |
But Nelson Mandela hopes that as well as an amazing | 0:41:57 | 0:42:00 | |
month of international football, | 0:42:00 | 0:42:03 | |
the World Cup will bring badly needed money into the country, | 0:42:03 | 0:42:05 | |
giving South Africans new jobs, | 0:42:05 | 0:42:08 | |
new roads, new businesses and a new hope for the future. | 0:42:08 | 0:42:12 | |
But for all that hope, the problems I've seen in this country are still | 0:42:27 | 0:42:30 | |
a long way from being fixed, and I've heard that there are | 0:42:30 | 0:42:33 | |
some people in South Africa who have mixed feelings about Mandela. | 0:42:33 | 0:42:37 | |
My next stop is a township an hour's drive from Johannesburg, | 0:42:38 | 0:42:42 | |
and notorious for a massacre 50 years ago | 0:42:42 | 0:42:45 | |
which will never be forgotten. | 0:42:45 | 0:42:47 | |
Tshepo is a human rights worker. | 0:42:49 | 0:42:51 | |
In the first picture that you see here, these were people coming. | 0:42:51 | 0:42:55 | |
That's the march? | 0:42:55 | 0:42:56 | |
-You can see it's a lot of people. -That's more than a few hundred. | 0:42:56 | 0:42:59 | |
You can see they're not armed, they're not carrying any arms. | 0:42:59 | 0:43:02 | |
This is what happened subsequently, at the place we are standing now. | 0:43:02 | 0:43:07 | |
-Oh, God. -You can see all of these people have been shot. | 0:43:07 | 0:43:10 | |
Most of them have been shot in the back, most were running away as they | 0:43:10 | 0:43:14 | |
were being shot with live ammunition. | 0:43:14 | 0:43:16 | |
Official statistics say 69 people were killed, | 0:43:16 | 0:43:20 | |
but people suspect that it's much more than that. | 0:43:20 | 0:43:24 | |
And that really brought the world attention | 0:43:24 | 0:43:26 | |
to the brutality of what has happened in South Africa. | 0:43:26 | 0:43:29 | |
Before that, the world was in denial. | 0:43:29 | 0:43:31 | |
Very significant site because after this massacre, | 0:43:31 | 0:43:34 | |
people got to know about what was happening in South Africa. | 0:43:34 | 0:43:38 | |
There are still people here who remember that terrible day. | 0:43:42 | 0:43:45 | |
Hello, I'm Lenora. | 0:43:46 | 0:43:47 | |
So he was shot here, you can see the stitches. | 0:43:53 | 0:43:56 | |
Those who carried out this massacre have never been brought to justice. | 0:43:56 | 0:44:00 | |
As part of Mandela's peace plan for South Africa, | 0:44:00 | 0:44:04 | |
many horrific crimes on both sides, black and white, were forgiven. | 0:44:04 | 0:44:08 | |
And it's not just the older people who are angry. | 0:44:52 | 0:44:54 | |
-Wow. -That was what other people argue. | 0:45:48 | 0:45:50 | |
No, I... | 0:45:50 | 0:45:52 | |
It's an important... One can't ignore | 0:45:52 | 0:45:55 | |
opinions like that. | 0:45:55 | 0:45:57 | |
It's the first time on this trip | 0:45:59 | 0:46:01 | |
I've heard anything negative about Nelson Mandela. | 0:46:01 | 0:46:03 | |
And meeting those survivors of the Sharpeville massacre | 0:46:03 | 0:46:06 | |
has given me a restless night. | 0:46:06 | 0:46:07 | |
I found it hard to sleep last night thinking about it. | 0:46:07 | 0:46:12 | |
I found it hard to shut off. | 0:46:12 | 0:46:15 | |
I look at these two people in front of me and I feel like | 0:46:17 | 0:46:20 | |
I owe you my freedom, I feel like you've paid such a price, | 0:46:20 | 0:46:24 | |
and they're still paying a price, | 0:46:24 | 0:46:28 | |
for me to have the opportunities I have, | 0:46:28 | 0:46:32 | |
for a couple like my parents to even be OK and have children. | 0:46:32 | 0:46:40 | |
Erm... | 0:46:40 | 0:46:41 | |
I just feel like I owe them so much. I feel like, | 0:46:43 | 0:46:47 | |
without these individuals, where would we be? | 0:46:47 | 0:46:50 | |
It seems a shame these people who Mandela's worked so hard to help | 0:46:56 | 0:47:00 | |
now feel let down. | 0:47:00 | 0:47:01 | |
But I'm finding out this is a complicated country. | 0:47:01 | 0:47:05 | |
He, Mandela the man, is becoming a lot more three dimensional, | 0:47:08 | 0:47:12 | |
a lot more real, and that brings with it... | 0:47:12 | 0:47:14 | |
the flaws, the things that aren't... | 0:47:16 | 0:47:22 | |
aren't finished. | 0:47:22 | 0:47:24 | |
And perhaps some of the things that... | 0:47:24 | 0:47:27 | |
weren't done so well, if I can say that. | 0:47:30 | 0:47:33 | |
All the mistakes. We all make mistakes. | 0:47:36 | 0:47:39 | |
And some black South Africans | 0:47:42 | 0:47:44 | |
think the biggest mistake Mandela made | 0:47:44 | 0:47:46 | |
was leaving huge amounts of money in the hands of the whites, | 0:47:46 | 0:47:48 | |
instead of spreading it around. | 0:47:48 | 0:47:50 | |
It brought peace and economic stability to the new nation, | 0:47:50 | 0:47:54 | |
but not the equality that Mandela may have wanted. | 0:47:54 | 0:47:57 | |
I'm heading to rich, white South Africa. | 0:48:00 | 0:48:03 | |
Many whites now live in ultra secure compounds | 0:48:03 | 0:48:06 | |
because of the high crime rate. | 0:48:06 | 0:48:08 | |
And despite their wealth, a few of them are very unhappy | 0:48:08 | 0:48:12 | |
with the new South Africa. | 0:48:12 | 0:48:14 | |
-Hello, Jo? -Yes. | 0:48:18 | 0:48:19 | |
Hi, Jo. I'll let you open up your... | 0:48:19 | 0:48:23 | |
very secure... Hi, I'm Lenora. | 0:48:23 | 0:48:26 | |
-Pleased to meet you. -Pleased to meet you, too. | 0:48:26 | 0:48:28 | |
They weld these bolts to the whole system | 0:48:28 | 0:48:34 | |
so that they can't be taken off the wall. | 0:48:34 | 0:48:36 | |
And we have lights here, we've got lights over there. | 0:48:36 | 0:48:39 | |
Everywhere, just to make sure there's nothing hiding in any corner. | 0:48:39 | 0:48:44 | |
And you're in a gated community. | 0:48:44 | 0:48:46 | |
I mean, seriously, this does look like prison bars, doesn't it? | 0:48:46 | 0:48:49 | |
It's like the house is built like a cage, basically. | 0:48:49 | 0:48:53 | |
If there's a fire in here, and it's here... | 0:48:53 | 0:48:57 | |
-We can't get out. -Oh, my God. | 0:48:57 | 0:49:00 | |
Can't win. | 0:49:00 | 0:49:02 | |
Johannot has been the victim of violent crime before, | 0:49:02 | 0:49:06 | |
so everywhere she goes she carries a walkie talkie | 0:49:06 | 0:49:09 | |
that's connected to a neighbourhood response team. | 0:49:09 | 0:49:12 | |
Johannot thinks that Nelson Mandela's project | 0:49:13 | 0:49:16 | |
to unite South Africa's people has failed. | 0:49:16 | 0:49:19 | |
In terms of the future of South Africa, | 0:49:20 | 0:49:23 | |
I think that we've had 16 years | 0:49:23 | 0:49:26 | |
to prove that we can stand together, and... | 0:49:26 | 0:49:29 | |
we haven't proven that. | 0:49:29 | 0:49:31 | |
For me, personally, I would say that it would be better for my people, | 0:49:31 | 0:49:37 | |
for the preservation of our culture and our language, to be separated. | 0:49:37 | 0:49:43 | |
How would that work? I don't... | 0:49:43 | 0:49:46 | |
Basically, there's a group in South Africa | 0:49:46 | 0:49:49 | |
that is actually working towards this. | 0:49:49 | 0:49:51 | |
They're called the Volksraad Verkiesing Kommissie. | 0:49:51 | 0:49:55 | |
This commission, what they are trying to do is to gather all | 0:49:55 | 0:50:00 | |
the people of our culture, and vote for our leaders of our new country. | 0:50:00 | 0:50:07 | |
Do you think that's a better goal to be striving for | 0:50:07 | 0:50:12 | |
over integration? | 0:50:12 | 0:50:14 | |
Yes, I believe it is a better goal. | 0:50:14 | 0:50:17 | |
-Why? -Because Europe is not one nation. | 0:50:17 | 0:50:21 | |
All the countries in Europe have got their own culture | 0:50:21 | 0:50:23 | |
and their own language and they want self determination. | 0:50:23 | 0:50:27 | |
If you throw all of them together suddenly, it's not going to work. | 0:50:27 | 0:50:30 | |
Is it ridiculous and naive to think these differences in culture and | 0:50:30 | 0:50:35 | |
language in South Africa's context could live harmoniously together? | 0:50:35 | 0:50:41 | |
Is that a silly thought to you? | 0:50:41 | 0:50:44 | |
It's not silly. If it could work, it would be great. | 0:50:44 | 0:50:48 | |
But I think South Africa is not going in the right direction | 0:50:48 | 0:50:53 | |
for my people, my Afrikaans people. | 0:50:53 | 0:50:57 | |
We are being treated as second class citizens. | 0:50:57 | 0:51:00 | |
That part about being separate and having her and her people, | 0:51:04 | 0:51:09 | |
as she put it, | 0:51:09 | 0:51:10 | |
having their own separate part of Africa, their own country, | 0:51:10 | 0:51:15 | |
in essence, I'm just like... | 0:51:15 | 0:51:18 | |
It just sounds a bit like repackaged apartheid to me. | 0:51:21 | 0:51:25 | |
Next day, I head to Soweto, a world-famous black neighbourhood, | 0:51:41 | 0:51:44 | |
to meet a South African family | 0:51:44 | 0:51:46 | |
who sum up Nelson Mandela's hopes for the country. | 0:51:46 | 0:51:49 | |
Knock, knock. Hello? Hello, Brenda? | 0:51:50 | 0:51:53 | |
As a mixed race couple, Brenda and her fiance, Werner, | 0:51:53 | 0:51:57 | |
can honestly say they fell in love because of Nelson Mandela. | 0:51:57 | 0:52:00 | |
20 years ago, their relationship would have been illegal. | 0:52:00 | 0:52:03 | |
Now, they have a four-year-old son. | 0:52:03 | 0:52:06 | |
So, I'm going to get straight to the point and ask you how you both met? | 0:52:06 | 0:52:11 | |
It was 2004, we met through friends that introduced us to each other. | 0:52:11 | 0:52:16 | |
-It was love ever since. -Love at first sight? -Yes. | 0:52:16 | 0:52:19 | |
See, it does happen! I'm convinced it happens. | 0:52:19 | 0:52:22 | |
-It happens. -Did you not know that? | 0:52:22 | 0:52:24 | |
-That looks like it's news to you. -She should know this, cos her | 0:52:24 | 0:52:28 | |
hair was wild like this the morning that I met her. | 0:52:28 | 0:52:31 | |
I looked weird. Trust me, I don't think it was love at first sight. | 0:52:31 | 0:52:34 | |
Yeah, well, weird clearly works! | 0:52:34 | 0:52:38 | |
How did your family react to you bringing home...? | 0:52:38 | 0:52:42 | |
My grandfather once asked my grandmother, cos he used to come | 0:52:42 | 0:52:45 | |
over to where we stayed and he'd make lunch for my grandmother | 0:52:45 | 0:52:49 | |
and grandfather, and my grandfather once asked my grandmother, | 0:52:49 | 0:52:52 | |
"Did you ever think a white man would be making you lunch today?" | 0:52:52 | 0:52:56 | |
And she was like, "No." | 0:52:56 | 0:52:58 | |
She never thought it was going to happen. | 0:52:58 | 0:53:00 | |
Can I ask what you guys think of Nelson Mandela? | 0:53:00 | 0:53:02 | |
I think he's a great man. | 0:53:02 | 0:53:04 | |
He spent 27 years in jail for me. | 0:53:04 | 0:53:07 | |
If it wasn't for him, I wouldn't be where I am. | 0:53:07 | 0:53:10 | |
I wouldn't be with a white man with a coloured child. | 0:53:10 | 0:53:13 | |
I wouldn't be able to go anywhere. | 0:53:13 | 0:53:14 | |
For him to come out and not have any grudge against white people, | 0:53:14 | 0:53:18 | |
or not just white people, but any race. | 0:53:18 | 0:53:22 | |
For him to fight all those years and then come out | 0:53:22 | 0:53:26 | |
being the person he is... | 0:53:26 | 0:53:28 | |
There's no words for how great Mandela could be, | 0:53:31 | 0:53:36 | |
or how great he already is. | 0:53:36 | 0:53:39 | |
Mixed race relationships like this | 0:53:55 | 0:53:56 | |
are still not common in South Africa, | 0:53:56 | 0:53:58 | |
but I'm pleased to say that most of the people I've met on this trip | 0:53:58 | 0:54:02 | |
see nothing wrong with them, | 0:54:02 | 0:54:04 | |
and that shows just how far Mandela's brought this nation | 0:54:04 | 0:54:07 | |
in 20 years. | 0:54:07 | 0:54:08 | |
This place still does have some serious problems, but I'm hopeful, | 0:54:08 | 0:54:13 | |
really hopeful, for the future here. | 0:54:13 | 0:54:15 | |
I've got one last place I want to visit before I head home. | 0:54:30 | 0:54:33 | |
I can't meet the man himself, | 0:54:34 | 0:54:36 | |
but this place helps me feel close to him. | 0:54:36 | 0:54:39 | |
It's the house Nelson Mandela lived in before he was arrested, | 0:54:45 | 0:54:48 | |
and the home he returned to after his release. | 0:54:48 | 0:54:51 | |
It's actually really nice to be quite still in this place. | 0:54:54 | 0:54:58 | |
The rain coming down, there's something | 0:54:58 | 0:55:01 | |
very calming and soothing about it, something very, er... | 0:55:01 | 0:55:04 | |
It brings it alive, really. | 0:55:07 | 0:55:09 | |
Brings this place alive. | 0:55:09 | 0:55:10 | |
I think it helps that I have a very vivid imagination. | 0:55:13 | 0:55:16 | |
I can imagine this place being alive with a family. | 0:55:19 | 0:55:23 | |
I think it just really brings home the fact | 0:55:23 | 0:55:27 | |
that he was just an ordinary guy, | 0:55:27 | 0:55:31 | |
who's done something pretty extraordinary. | 0:55:31 | 0:55:34 | |
It's been a long and emotional journey for me. | 0:55:37 | 0:55:41 | |
Mandela has achieved so much. | 0:55:41 | 0:55:43 | |
He's ended apartheid and avoided civil war, | 0:55:43 | 0:55:46 | |
he's forgiven the people who put him in prison, | 0:55:46 | 0:55:49 | |
and he's given hope to oppressed people all around the world. | 0:55:49 | 0:55:52 | |
Yes, Mandela may have made mistakes, but we all do. | 0:55:52 | 0:55:56 | |
For me, coming here has convinced me | 0:55:56 | 0:55:59 | |
that Nelson Mandela really is the greatest man alive. | 0:55:59 | 0:56:04 | |
He shows us that we don't have to be victims of our past, | 0:56:04 | 0:56:08 | |
that we can let go of our bitterness, | 0:56:08 | 0:56:12 | |
and all of us can achieve greatness. | 0:56:12 | 0:56:15 | |
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