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In 2009, over 100 men from all over the world | 0:00:04 | 0:00:08 | |
used the internet to look up their old prep schools. | 0:00:08 | 0:00:12 | |
They swapped memories. Slowly, secrets emerged. | 0:00:12 | 0:00:17 | |
What they learnt shocked them all. | 0:00:17 | 0:00:20 | |
'It was like being in a dark room and what happened last year' | 0:00:20 | 0:00:25 | |
is like the light being switched on and finding you're in a room with lots of other people. | 0:00:25 | 0:00:31 | |
It dawned on everyone who was part of that email society | 0:00:31 | 0:00:36 | |
that there had been some real damage. | 0:00:36 | 0:00:39 | |
The men on the chat site had been to two related Catholic boarding schools, in England and in Africa. | 0:00:39 | 0:00:47 | |
As they chatted in cyberspace from the security of their homes, | 0:00:47 | 0:00:51 | |
they felt able to share the truth of how, as young children, | 0:00:51 | 0:00:56 | |
they suffered violence, terror and, in some cases, sexual abuse. | 0:00:56 | 0:01:01 | |
You don't sexually play with young children. | 0:01:02 | 0:01:06 | |
It sticks with you for the rest of your life. | 0:01:06 | 0:01:10 | |
It was an environment of fear. | 0:01:10 | 0:01:13 | |
It was terrible. | 0:01:15 | 0:01:17 | |
What became clear was many were still haunted by the abuse. | 0:01:18 | 0:01:23 | |
'It's just depression and constantly thinking about suicide as a way of dealing with the depression.' | 0:01:23 | 0:01:31 | |
That started when I was 14 years old. | 0:01:31 | 0:01:34 | |
Each one, as a child, had been terrified into silence, | 0:01:35 | 0:01:40 | |
but now in their 50s and 60s and united by the net, they were ready to speak. | 0:01:40 | 0:01:45 | |
Just step up, take responsibility, bring this out into the open so that it doesn't happen again. | 0:01:47 | 0:01:55 | |
But today their former tormentors are elderly men and half a century has passed. | 0:01:57 | 0:02:04 | |
What will it take to repair the damage? | 0:02:04 | 0:02:07 | |
Can they ever forgive? | 0:02:07 | 0:02:09 | |
And what needs to happen for the abused men to feel justice has finally been done? | 0:02:09 | 0:02:15 | |
'My name is Donald MacFaul. I'm a barrister in Newcastle upon Tyne. | 0:02:31 | 0:02:36 | |
'Whilst it appears that there are the trappings of success associated with my work, | 0:02:37 | 0:02:43 | |
'a lot of it has been survival.' | 0:02:43 | 0:02:46 | |
What was created by what happened at school | 0:02:47 | 0:02:51 | |
was a permanent sense of fear and dread. | 0:02:51 | 0:02:55 | |
Grace Dieu Manor House is a Catholic preparatory school in Leicestershire. | 0:03:03 | 0:03:08 | |
It was run by the Rosminian Order when I went there in 1954. | 0:03:08 | 0:03:13 | |
A beautiful building set in beautiful grounds. | 0:03:14 | 0:03:18 | |
Father Bernard Collins was the teacher in charge of discipline. | 0:03:19 | 0:03:24 | |
The violence that was perpetrated by Collins goes beyond what was appropriate at the time. | 0:03:24 | 0:03:31 | |
He used to shoot at boys using an air pistol and occasionally actually wounded them. | 0:03:31 | 0:03:37 | |
That carries five years. | 0:03:37 | 0:03:40 | |
There was no escape. | 0:03:41 | 0:03:43 | |
And it was in an environment where this person could beat you one minute | 0:03:43 | 0:03:48 | |
and then be fondling you personally and intimately within the space of hours. | 0:03:48 | 0:03:55 | |
He would take me to his room after lights out | 0:03:55 | 0:04:00 | |
and remove my pyjama bottoms and fondle my genitals, my penis in particular, | 0:04:00 | 0:04:06 | |
saying that this was for purposes of hygiene. | 0:04:06 | 0:04:10 | |
And that continued on a number of occasions. | 0:04:10 | 0:04:14 | |
The particular instance that I recall was | 0:04:15 | 0:04:19 | |
waking to find him crouching by the bed, his eyes on the level, | 0:04:20 | 0:04:26 | |
and his hand coming under the bed clothes towards my groin area | 0:04:28 | 0:04:32 | |
and I intercepted that to stop it and he pulled away at that point. | 0:04:32 | 0:04:37 | |
That was terrifying. | 0:04:37 | 0:04:39 | |
11-year-old Donald confided in his father, an experienced family doctor. | 0:04:43 | 0:04:49 | |
He took seriously what his young son had to say and complained to the school. | 0:04:49 | 0:04:55 | |
A letter was delivered to the headmaster from my father | 0:04:56 | 0:05:01 | |
and during the next holidays I was told he would not be there when I went back, so not to worry. | 0:05:01 | 0:05:07 | |
When I did go back, he was still there. | 0:05:07 | 0:05:11 | |
And I encountered him in the corridor, which was frightening. | 0:05:11 | 0:05:16 | |
And he said to me, because he had very piercing blue eyes, this individual, | 0:05:16 | 0:05:22 | |
he looked down and said, "I thought you were a little angel. | 0:05:22 | 0:05:26 | |
"In fact, you're a little devil." That's the last I saw him. | 0:05:26 | 0:05:31 | |
Once Father Collins had left, Grace Dieu returned to normal. | 0:05:31 | 0:05:36 | |
I had always had the impression... | 0:05:39 | 0:05:41 | |
..that as a result of my father's action, | 0:05:42 | 0:05:46 | |
Collins was sent away. I thought he was working in a mission in Africa. | 0:05:46 | 0:05:50 | |
Through his internet contacts, | 0:05:52 | 0:05:55 | |
Donald discovered Father Collins had in fact been sent away | 0:05:55 | 0:05:59 | |
to another Rosminian prep school where he'd preyed on other boys, | 0:05:59 | 0:06:04 | |
in Tanganyika, today Tanzania. | 0:06:04 | 0:06:08 | |
St Michael's, Soni, was a Catholic boarding school tucked high up in the mountains. | 0:06:24 | 0:06:30 | |
When I first got to Soni, Father Collins was my dormitory master. Within days you were told, | 0:06:32 | 0:06:38 | |
"Watch out for him. He's a dangerous man." | 0:06:38 | 0:06:41 | |
One day, after French lessons, Father Collins said to me that he would like to give me extra lessons. | 0:06:41 | 0:06:48 | |
Because there were so many boys at school, he didn't have time to help others and didn't want them to know. | 0:06:48 | 0:06:54 | |
He told me when I came in to take off my top, t-shirt, | 0:06:54 | 0:07:00 | |
shorts and underpants. He said this would enable me to breathe fresh air | 0:07:00 | 0:07:06 | |
and feel better, I could work better. | 0:07:06 | 0:07:08 | |
He then started touching me. | 0:07:10 | 0:07:12 | |
He went down to my genital area and touched my testicles and penis. | 0:07:12 | 0:07:17 | |
And it was repetitive. | 0:07:17 | 0:07:20 | |
There was absolutely no way whatsoever I could get out of it. | 0:07:20 | 0:07:25 | |
There was no one to tell. You couldn't trust the priests, so who else? | 0:07:25 | 0:07:30 | |
I couldn't tell my mother about it. That would have killed her. | 0:07:30 | 0:07:34 | |
She had five other children to look after, younger than me. So I sort of kept it in myself. | 0:07:34 | 0:07:40 | |
Those on the network who weren't sexually abused by Collins remembered him for his brutality. | 0:07:45 | 0:07:52 | |
He introduced what I called the three-core wire. | 0:07:52 | 0:07:56 | |
It was known as the Black Mamba. | 0:07:56 | 0:07:58 | |
It was a whip, like Harrison Ford's whip in Indiana Jones. | 0:07:58 | 0:08:04 | |
When Collins got behind this whip, | 0:08:04 | 0:08:06 | |
he hit you so hard that your body would jolt forward a couple of inches. | 0:08:06 | 0:08:12 | |
He administered a form of caning | 0:08:12 | 0:08:15 | |
that was...that was not corporal punishment, | 0:08:15 | 0:08:18 | |
it was violence. | 0:08:18 | 0:08:21 | |
It could have been a nice place, | 0:08:21 | 0:08:23 | |
but it was a hell hole. | 0:08:25 | 0:08:27 | |
It was a very loveless, violent, very sad place. | 0:08:27 | 0:08:32 | |
What their web chat then revealed was that Father Collins wasn't the only abuser at Soni. | 0:08:38 | 0:08:45 | |
Father Kit Cunningham was a charismatic, intelligent, | 0:08:46 | 0:08:50 | |
ambitious man who had a dark side to him. | 0:08:50 | 0:08:54 | |
He... | 0:08:54 | 0:08:56 | |
..abused children. | 0:08:56 | 0:08:58 | |
And... | 0:08:58 | 0:09:00 | |
..that's... | 0:09:02 | 0:09:04 | |
..an unfortunate combination. | 0:09:05 | 0:09:08 | |
One night, Father Kit Cunningham came into the dormitory | 0:09:08 | 0:09:13 | |
and he caught me. He caught me with my radio. | 0:09:13 | 0:09:17 | |
So he grabbed me and pulled me into his bedroom | 0:09:17 | 0:09:21 | |
and... I thought that I would be beaten. | 0:09:21 | 0:09:25 | |
I was terrified. | 0:09:26 | 0:09:28 | |
And, much to my surprise, I was not beaten. | 0:09:28 | 0:09:32 | |
He pulled my pants down and began to fondle me. | 0:09:32 | 0:09:36 | |
Um... | 0:09:36 | 0:09:37 | |
Eh...not only did he fondle me, | 0:09:41 | 0:09:44 | |
he then proceeded to remove his...pants | 0:09:44 | 0:09:49 | |
and grabbed my hand | 0:09:49 | 0:09:52 | |
and put my hand onto his penis. | 0:09:52 | 0:09:55 | |
And showed me how he liked to be manipulated. | 0:09:55 | 0:10:00 | |
And, um...he... | 0:10:02 | 0:10:05 | |
..he had me manipulate him... | 0:10:07 | 0:10:10 | |
..until he had an orgasm. | 0:10:13 | 0:10:15 | |
And, um... | 0:10:15 | 0:10:17 | |
I didn't even know what an orgasm was or what had just happened, really. | 0:10:19 | 0:10:24 | |
I just knew it was wrong. | 0:10:24 | 0:10:26 | |
And this first encounter was repeated, | 0:10:26 | 0:10:31 | |
I'm thinking, in the range of 6-10 times. | 0:10:31 | 0:10:35 | |
He spent a great deal of time talking to me about how it was important that I not tell anyone | 0:10:35 | 0:10:42 | |
and that no one would believe me anyway. | 0:10:42 | 0:10:46 | |
Each boy was warned to be silent. | 0:10:49 | 0:10:51 | |
Each boy was left thinking he was the only one. | 0:10:51 | 0:10:56 | |
Brother Jackson was a lot younger than the other guys. | 0:10:57 | 0:11:01 | |
He was like a breath of fresh air compared to the old dragons that we had there. | 0:11:01 | 0:11:07 | |
He pulled me into his room on the pretext of asking me to help him sort the mail. | 0:11:07 | 0:11:13 | |
It was when he fondled me, basically. | 0:11:13 | 0:11:16 | |
He sexually molested me. | 0:11:16 | 0:11:18 | |
When Father Cunningham found out what had happened, | 0:11:20 | 0:11:24 | |
he made it very clear that if I ever said anything about it I'd be in trouble. | 0:11:24 | 0:11:29 | |
His exact words were, "Woe betide, young man, if you ever say anything again." | 0:11:29 | 0:11:34 | |
I was made to feel really, really guilty about the whole thing. | 0:11:34 | 0:11:40 | |
It was as though it was my fault. | 0:11:40 | 0:11:42 | |
I felt as though I was being punished. | 0:11:42 | 0:11:45 | |
I woke up one morning early and went through to the toilet. | 0:11:45 | 0:11:50 | |
And when I came out, | 0:11:50 | 0:11:53 | |
Jackson was standing at the entrance to his room. | 0:11:53 | 0:11:57 | |
His penis stuck out of his pyjamas. | 0:11:57 | 0:12:00 | |
And he called me to his room and then told me to lie on the mattress. | 0:12:00 | 0:12:06 | |
I lay there because I was frightened, I was scared. | 0:12:06 | 0:12:10 | |
And...he lay behind me | 0:12:10 | 0:12:12 | |
and sort of tucked me into himself. | 0:12:12 | 0:12:15 | |
And started performing a sexual act on me. | 0:12:15 | 0:12:20 | |
When I got back to the farm, I told my dad what had happened. | 0:12:20 | 0:12:25 | |
And he was very upset, he was very angry, as was my mother. | 0:12:25 | 0:12:30 | |
McCarthy, the Head, gave my father some sort of comment that he would see to the matter, | 0:12:30 | 0:12:37 | |
but all he did was move Jackson from the dormitory to the main house. | 0:12:37 | 0:12:41 | |
My brother-in-law threatened McCarthy that he'd go to the police. | 0:12:41 | 0:12:45 | |
It wasn't long after that that Jackson simply vanished from the school. | 0:12:45 | 0:12:51 | |
I was captain of the cricket team | 0:12:53 | 0:12:56 | |
and then, after the abuse, | 0:12:56 | 0:12:58 | |
I was completely isolated by the priests. I was no longer put down to play cricket | 0:12:58 | 0:13:06 | |
or participate in any team sport at all. | 0:13:06 | 0:13:10 | |
Rayner was an intimidating, cruel person | 0:13:18 | 0:13:24 | |
who enjoyed humiliating boys and at the same time he had a sexual perversion. | 0:13:24 | 0:13:32 | |
He was also a very keen photographer. | 0:13:32 | 0:13:34 | |
I was photographed in the showers, naked, for whatever purpose. | 0:13:34 | 0:13:39 | |
And he needed people to help him with his photography. | 0:13:39 | 0:13:44 | |
There was an opportunity for Rayner to take you | 0:13:44 | 0:13:48 | |
into his room, invite you in, slide his hand down your shorts, | 0:13:48 | 0:13:53 | |
indulge your genitals. | 0:13:54 | 0:13:57 | |
And I'm thinking, | 0:13:57 | 0:13:59 | |
"God, my parents never taught me this." | 0:13:59 | 0:14:03 | |
It was excruciatingly... | 0:14:04 | 0:14:06 | |
..um, humiliating. | 0:14:08 | 0:14:10 | |
Because you knew what was coming and you couldn't... | 0:14:15 | 0:14:20 | |
You couldn't just walk out and go home | 0:14:20 | 0:14:23 | |
because the walk out would mean you would end up going down to your bed in the dormitory | 0:14:23 | 0:14:30 | |
and he would be back at you | 0:14:30 | 0:14:32 | |
and you'd get six beatings the following day and then he'd try it on again. | 0:14:32 | 0:14:38 | |
I know it only went to genitals in my case | 0:14:38 | 0:14:42 | |
and people might argue that's not physical pain, but Christ...! | 0:14:42 | 0:14:47 | |
This is...this is MY body. | 0:14:47 | 0:14:49 | |
I... | 0:14:51 | 0:14:52 | |
I... | 0:14:55 | 0:14:56 | |
And then I had to face him the next day. | 0:15:02 | 0:15:06 | |
I told my mother when we got home about the sexual abuse | 0:15:09 | 0:15:14 | |
and it didn't go anywhere. | 0:15:14 | 0:15:17 | |
She didn't say, "I will do something about that." Nothing happened. | 0:15:17 | 0:15:22 | |
It made me feel so lonely. | 0:15:22 | 0:15:25 | |
That word "lonely" was the one singular word | 0:15:25 | 0:15:29 | |
that I came away with to describe the experience at Soni. | 0:15:29 | 0:15:33 | |
Some kids came out of Soni unbroken and pretty intact. | 0:15:38 | 0:15:44 | |
I really think Soni broke me down and broke my spirit. | 0:15:44 | 0:15:50 | |
And when that happens, you withdraw into yourself and you don't reach out to people. | 0:15:50 | 0:15:56 | |
After leaving Soni, all of us disappear to the four corners of the Earth. | 0:16:05 | 0:16:11 | |
Australia, South Africa, England, Canada, USA. | 0:16:11 | 0:16:16 | |
It had taken them half a century to find each other again. | 0:16:21 | 0:16:26 | |
For the first time, in the safety of cyberspace, they started to piece together their whole story. | 0:16:26 | 0:16:33 | |
Clearly, there was an impulse in many of us to try and connect | 0:16:33 | 0:16:37 | |
and had it not been for the internet, we would never have come together as a group. | 0:16:37 | 0:16:43 | |
I had said to my wife that my father didn't believe me | 0:16:43 | 0:16:48 | |
and she helped me find the other Soni colleagues. | 0:16:48 | 0:16:53 | |
After about a year of general historical chat, what brought the subject up about actual abuse | 0:16:53 | 0:17:00 | |
was somebody who said that Father Collins was very strict, | 0:17:00 | 0:17:05 | |
but thank God wasn't involved in anything else. And I thought, "I've got to put them right." | 0:17:05 | 0:17:11 | |
So I did. I wrote to this man and said, "No, he was a paedophile." | 0:17:11 | 0:17:15 | |
And I left it at that. That brought out the whole can of worms. | 0:17:15 | 0:17:20 | |
They knew that Jackson had abused others. | 0:17:20 | 0:17:23 | |
They didn't know I had been abused or why Jackson suddenly disappeared from the school. | 0:17:23 | 0:17:29 | |
And it was through my contribution of my story that that puzzle was completed. | 0:17:29 | 0:17:35 | |
Had anybody taken action on Sam Simeonides' complaint, immediately, I wouldn't have been molested. | 0:17:36 | 0:17:43 | |
There were claims about what Jackson did and what Cunningham did. | 0:17:43 | 0:17:49 | |
There was universal disclosure about Rayner and Collins. | 0:17:49 | 0:17:54 | |
Soon after the episode of me telling everybody that Collins wasn't super priest of the year, | 0:17:54 | 0:18:00 | |
one of the other chaps on the website brought to my attention that there was | 0:18:00 | 0:18:06 | |
a number of gentlemen from Grace Dieu, also a Rosminian prep school, | 0:18:06 | 0:18:11 | |
that were instigating an inquiry into Father Collins' behaviour. | 0:18:11 | 0:18:15 | |
Up to that stage, I hadn't known where he had taught. He was 40 when he came to Soni. | 0:18:15 | 0:18:20 | |
I became angry when I learned that he'd been sent to somewhere else | 0:18:20 | 0:18:25 | |
where he continued the activities he perpetrated at Grace Dieu. | 0:18:25 | 0:18:30 | |
Outraged by what they'd discovered, the men felt compelled to write their testimonies down. | 0:18:33 | 0:18:40 | |
By September, 2009, they had a dossier of abuse. | 0:18:40 | 0:18:44 | |
I think I was the first one to write about Cunningham. | 0:18:44 | 0:18:49 | |
I knew I had to do it because it's important that we make these things public and bring it into the open. | 0:18:49 | 0:18:57 | |
These were events that I'd played over and over in my mind. I'd never reduced it to writing. | 0:19:01 | 0:19:08 | |
There's a deep pain associated with what occurred and that's not something that's easy to share. | 0:19:08 | 0:19:15 | |
This was the first time I was writing the full details down. | 0:19:19 | 0:19:23 | |
Not just the words sexual abuse. And it felt really good. | 0:19:23 | 0:19:27 | |
I said that I wanted to confront Kit Cunningham and Bill Jackson, | 0:19:29 | 0:19:34 | |
knowing that that was going to be read as such a mark of progress towards being healed. | 0:19:34 | 0:19:41 | |
When I pressed the "send" button, | 0:19:49 | 0:19:51 | |
it was going to be the beginning of something important, something that would come out into the open. | 0:19:51 | 0:19:58 | |
When I showed the other testimonies to my father, | 0:20:00 | 0:20:04 | |
he was absolutely straight and said he had never known about the sexual abuse, | 0:20:04 | 0:20:10 | |
that he was appalled by what he had learned in the emails. | 0:20:12 | 0:20:18 | |
The fact that my father believes the events at Soni now | 0:20:18 | 0:20:24 | |
makes a huge difference to MY sense of relief | 0:20:24 | 0:20:29 | |
that I was telling the truth. | 0:20:29 | 0:20:31 | |
The testimonies were emailed to the head of the Rosminian Order in Britain, Father David Myers. | 0:20:33 | 0:20:39 | |
A trainee priest when the abuse took place, he never taught at either school. | 0:20:39 | 0:20:44 | |
Father Myers replied immediately. | 0:20:44 | 0:20:47 | |
He accepted their testimonies and acknowledged their distress. | 0:20:53 | 0:20:58 | |
In November, Father Myers invited those who had submitted testimonies | 0:21:02 | 0:21:08 | |
to a meeting at St Etheldreda's Church, the Rosminian base in London. | 0:21:08 | 0:21:14 | |
The personal reaction of Father David Myers | 0:21:14 | 0:21:19 | |
was a genuine, open response of a compassionate, caring and appalled individual | 0:21:19 | 0:21:25 | |
who was reacting in a very human way | 0:21:26 | 0:21:30 | |
to what were clearly expressed, | 0:21:30 | 0:21:33 | |
long-simmering | 0:21:33 | 0:21:35 | |
and powerful hurts. | 0:21:35 | 0:21:38 | |
Father Myers promised he would take action. | 0:21:38 | 0:21:42 | |
The accused priests were presented with the testimonies and asked to respond. | 0:21:42 | 0:21:48 | |
They would no longer serve as priests in public, | 0:21:48 | 0:21:52 | |
they would sign confessions to their victims and would not be considered priests in good standing. | 0:21:52 | 0:21:58 | |
After Africa, Father Kit Cunningham had become a prominent public figure. | 0:22:00 | 0:22:06 | |
He was made rector of St Etheldreda's and awarded an MBE. | 0:22:06 | 0:22:11 | |
Now the MBE would be returned. It arrived at the Palace with no explanation, | 0:22:11 | 0:22:17 | |
just a request for no publicity. | 0:22:17 | 0:22:20 | |
By January, 2010, personal letters began to arrive from the priests themselves. | 0:22:30 | 0:22:36 | |
"Dear John, it is with deep shame that I write | 0:22:38 | 0:22:42 | |
"to ask your forgiveness for inappropriate actions that I did to you while I was in Tanzania. | 0:22:42 | 0:22:49 | |
"I have been reading over and over your account of the barely bearable depression you have suffered. | 0:22:49 | 0:22:56 | |
"John, what can I do other than express my remorse and beg you to forgive me? | 0:22:56 | 0:23:02 | |
"Sincerely, Kit Cunningham." | 0:23:03 | 0:23:05 | |
I know I'm supposed to receive this letter and I'm supposed to say, "Thank you, thank you, thank you," | 0:23:06 | 0:23:13 | |
and, you know, all is forgiven, | 0:23:13 | 0:23:15 | |
but... | 0:23:15 | 0:23:17 | |
I'd like to know a lot more about... | 0:23:19 | 0:23:23 | |
why he did what he did. | 0:23:23 | 0:23:25 | |
So if having Kit Cunningham apologise to me | 0:23:25 | 0:23:30 | |
and express remorse to me, the expectation is it'll heal me, it's simply not. | 0:23:30 | 0:23:35 | |
The man who'd been silenced by Cunningham also got a letter from him. | 0:23:42 | 0:23:47 | |
"Please accept the enclosed apology in the manner in which it's intended. I was also aware of sexual abuse | 0:23:47 | 0:23:53 | |
"and I should have done more to have stopped it. I recall a number of occasions for which I am responsible. | 0:23:53 | 0:24:00 | |
"After much reflection, I have decided to return my MBE. | 0:24:00 | 0:24:04 | |
"Sincerely, Kit Cunningham." | 0:24:04 | 0:24:07 | |
I was completely unaware before we started this whole process that Kit had been involved | 0:24:07 | 0:24:14 | |
in any...paedophilia activities whatsoever. | 0:24:14 | 0:24:18 | |
I was actually quite shocked by that. | 0:24:18 | 0:24:21 | |
And...and...and... to a large degree, | 0:24:22 | 0:24:26 | |
that goes a long way towards explaining why he handled | 0:24:26 | 0:24:30 | |
what happened with myself and Bill Jackson, why he handled it the way he did. | 0:24:30 | 0:24:37 | |
The letters revealed something even more disturbing about Soni. | 0:24:41 | 0:24:46 | |
These abusers must have known between them | 0:24:46 | 0:24:50 | |
that they were abusing the kids at the school | 0:24:50 | 0:24:54 | |
and didn't do anything about it. It comes through in their apologies. | 0:24:54 | 0:24:59 | |
In my case, when Jackson abused me that morning, | 0:24:59 | 0:25:04 | |
I was indignant at the fact that Cunningham never woke up. | 0:25:04 | 0:25:08 | |
Let me just show you. Here is Jackson's room, there's his door. | 0:25:08 | 0:25:12 | |
There's a gap and there's Cunningham's room with his door. | 0:25:12 | 0:25:17 | |
And Jackson's standing by his door with his penis sticking out, calling me in a loud voice | 0:25:17 | 0:25:24 | |
and I knew that Cunningham was awake and I was hoping that he would pop his head out of the door | 0:25:24 | 0:25:30 | |
and find out what the commotion was. Yet he didn't. | 0:25:30 | 0:25:34 | |
And that's what irritates me and makes me hard as an individual | 0:25:35 | 0:25:40 | |
not to simply accept these...poor apologies. To me, they're vague. | 0:25:40 | 0:25:45 | |
They're... It's just not from the heart. | 0:25:45 | 0:25:48 | |
"It causes me deep anguish after reading your account of Soni | 0:25:53 | 0:25:58 | |
"that I realized more fully the terrible suffering I caused you. | 0:25:58 | 0:26:02 | |
"Don, Father David Myers tells me you're hoping to come and see me. | 0:26:02 | 0:26:07 | |
"I rejoice in this as we can talk over these things at a deeper and more personal level | 0:26:07 | 0:26:13 | |
"and hope to arrive at reconciliation and peace. Yours, Father Bill Jackson." | 0:26:13 | 0:26:19 | |
That's a step forward, I guess. | 0:26:22 | 0:26:24 | |
It wouldn't be enough to bring the issue to rest, but it's a long, long step forward. | 0:26:24 | 0:26:31 | |
Father Myers had invited all the victims to meet their abusers and offered to pay for counselling. | 0:26:31 | 0:26:37 | |
In February, he flew Don McFarlane to London to see 68-year-old Father Bill Jackson. | 0:26:38 | 0:26:46 | |
I felt I possibly might be in with a chance of getting some closure, | 0:26:46 | 0:26:51 | |
which was completely out of the question beforehand. | 0:26:51 | 0:26:56 | |
I guess I got into a cycle of depression and I think the sexual abuse had a lot to do with it. | 0:26:56 | 0:27:03 | |
I've had to deal with the most debilitating... | 0:27:03 | 0:27:07 | |
..um... | 0:27:10 | 0:27:11 | |
Yeah, just... Really dark, dark thoughts. | 0:27:14 | 0:27:18 | |
Sorry. | 0:27:25 | 0:27:27 | |
We went into a room and we started to discuss what had happened. That was when I put my foot down. | 0:27:29 | 0:27:37 | |
I called him a fucking paedophile | 0:27:37 | 0:27:39 | |
and if he wanted to make amends he was going to have to stop beating around the bush | 0:27:39 | 0:27:46 | |
and start telling a few truths. | 0:27:46 | 0:27:49 | |
He and I chatted for about two hours. | 0:27:49 | 0:27:51 | |
I felt he was quite open and honest about it. I got the impression that he was genuinely sorry. | 0:27:51 | 0:27:58 | |
I told him that I remembered the making of the lanterns for the carol service at the end of the year. | 0:27:58 | 0:28:06 | |
And his eyes lit up. "Oh, do you remember that?" | 0:28:06 | 0:28:10 | |
Silly bugger. | 0:28:13 | 0:28:15 | |
Don's next visit was to Father Kit Cunningham, by then in a care home. | 0:28:15 | 0:28:22 | |
I despised Kit Cunningham and despised him all my life. | 0:28:22 | 0:28:26 | |
He was an ogre in my mind. | 0:28:26 | 0:28:29 | |
He'd established himself as this pillar of the community | 0:28:29 | 0:28:33 | |
and I knew differently. | 0:28:33 | 0:28:36 | |
It got to me that there were people out there who could hide that shit. | 0:28:36 | 0:28:41 | |
And when I met Kit he was in a wheelchair, he had two broken fingers, he could hardly walk. | 0:28:41 | 0:28:48 | |
He was knocking on wood. | 0:28:48 | 0:28:50 | |
To see him like that, after having not seen him for 40-odd years, | 0:28:54 | 0:29:00 | |
to see him like that... | 0:29:00 | 0:29:02 | |
..was quite sobering. | 0:29:05 | 0:29:07 | |
It removed all urge I had to have a go back at him. | 0:29:07 | 0:29:12 | |
It was almost as though someone had done the job for me. | 0:29:13 | 0:29:17 | |
'When I got back to Australia, | 0:29:22 | 0:29:24 | |
'it suddenly dawned on me that this whole thing was past me. | 0:29:24 | 0:29:29 | |
'I could forget about it.' | 0:29:29 | 0:29:31 | |
I can now...move forward. | 0:29:31 | 0:29:34 | |
That was so powerful. | 0:29:37 | 0:29:40 | |
I...I woke up... I went to bed one night, actually, | 0:29:43 | 0:29:47 | |
knowing, fully lucid and knowing that I would never be depressed again. | 0:29:47 | 0:29:52 | |
For Don, there may have been peace. | 0:29:55 | 0:29:58 | |
For the others, the written apologies had done little to heal the pain or incline them to forgive. | 0:29:58 | 0:30:05 | |
"I was tempted at times to punish because I got sexual pleasure from it, and that is sadism. | 0:30:06 | 0:30:13 | |
"How unwise I was in the way I questioned boys about sexual matters. | 0:30:13 | 0:30:18 | |
"This prying into private lives gave me sexual pleasure, | 0:30:18 | 0:30:22 | |
"but in my own mind at the time this was not the main motive. | 0:30:22 | 0:30:27 | |
"I did inspect the genitals of a few boys at the request of the nurse." | 0:30:27 | 0:30:31 | |
No qualified nurse | 0:30:31 | 0:30:34 | |
or sister | 0:30:34 | 0:30:36 | |
would ask an adult priest | 0:30:36 | 0:30:39 | |
to examine the genitals of boys. | 0:30:40 | 0:30:43 | |
"I have left behind a legacy of violence and pain and confusion." | 0:30:44 | 0:30:49 | |
Signed Bernard Collins in the presence of David Myers. | 0:30:49 | 0:30:54 | |
It's very hard to know what to say in response to that. | 0:30:56 | 0:31:00 | |
He's admitted the actions, but tries to justify the motivation. | 0:31:00 | 0:31:05 | |
He accepts that it was sexual. | 0:31:05 | 0:31:07 | |
So it just sounds like a pervert trying to justify his gratifications. | 0:31:11 | 0:31:15 | |
Nothing more to say. | 0:31:15 | 0:31:18 | |
Father Collins' transcribed confessions posted online were too impersonal for Rory. | 0:31:20 | 0:31:26 | |
He wanted Collins to admit what he did to him. | 0:31:26 | 0:31:29 | |
The letter he got enraged him. | 0:31:29 | 0:31:33 | |
"Dear Rory Johnston, I must say with the deepest humility and regret that I contributed to your misery. | 0:31:34 | 0:31:41 | |
"If there is any other thing I can say or do, I would like to meet you | 0:31:41 | 0:31:46 | |
"and we could just go over contacts, but I cannot remember you. | 0:31:46 | 0:31:50 | |
"Sincerely, Bernard Collins. January, 2010." | 0:31:50 | 0:31:54 | |
He doesn't mention here at all | 0:31:54 | 0:31:57 | |
the fact of the sexual abuse, which is very important to me. | 0:31:57 | 0:32:02 | |
Rory decided he'd take up the offer to visit Father Collins and a date in May was agreed, | 0:32:04 | 0:32:10 | |
while Father Myers was urging the men to forgive. | 0:32:10 | 0:32:14 | |
He's not accepting that he has any further reconciliation to undertake, | 0:32:23 | 0:32:27 | |
other than using words | 0:32:27 | 0:32:29 | |
which I can get from the book of quotations. It actually needs more than words. | 0:32:29 | 0:32:35 | |
Just step up, take responsibility, bring this out into the open | 0:32:35 | 0:32:40 | |
so that it doesn't happen again. | 0:32:40 | 0:32:43 | |
In September, 22 out of 35 pupils who'd submitted testimonies | 0:32:45 | 0:32:51 | |
told the order they planned to sue for compensation. | 0:32:51 | 0:32:55 | |
On the same day, the Pope came to Britain and expressed deep sorrow to victims of clerical abuse. | 0:32:55 | 0:33:02 | |
I was hoping with this whole business of the Pope's visit to England, | 0:33:04 | 0:33:09 | |
this infernal business of covering up the scandals | 0:33:09 | 0:33:14 | |
would come to a stop, but it doesn't seem to have made a blind bit of difference to the Rosminians. | 0:33:14 | 0:33:21 | |
The only way they're going to be made | 0:33:23 | 0:33:25 | |
to accept the truth is by legal means and that's by paying compensation. | 0:33:25 | 0:33:31 | |
Money is one of the few ways | 0:33:31 | 0:33:35 | |
to express a value | 0:33:35 | 0:33:37 | |
in what you do. | 0:33:37 | 0:33:40 | |
The whole of western society is based on the value of money. | 0:33:40 | 0:33:44 | |
It mustn't be insignificant, I'm afraid, otherwise it means nothing. | 0:33:44 | 0:33:50 | |
If they went bankrupt, I would...I would be... | 0:33:50 | 0:33:54 | |
I would be happy! You know? | 0:33:54 | 0:33:58 | |
I think it's an institution that should be disbanded. They don't exactly have a great track record. | 0:33:58 | 0:34:04 | |
I'm not going for compensation because I was told there was no money there. | 0:34:04 | 0:34:10 | |
If it transpires that there is money there and other people get paid out, then I shall be asking why I wasn't. | 0:34:10 | 0:34:17 | |
Father Myers now raised "a moral objection to paying compensation". | 0:34:17 | 0:34:23 | |
It would take money away from the order's charitable work. | 0:34:25 | 0:34:29 | |
Why should innocents today pay for the wrongs of others 50 years ago? | 0:34:29 | 0:34:35 | |
Is it immoral because it's the Catholic Church? | 0:34:37 | 0:34:41 | |
If a lay person abuses a child | 0:34:41 | 0:34:44 | |
and is sent to prison and is fined, | 0:34:45 | 0:34:48 | |
is that amoral? | 0:34:48 | 0:34:50 | |
Is the Catholic Church some sort of special category that it should be protected from legal action? | 0:34:52 | 0:34:58 | |
His first responsibility | 0:34:58 | 0:35:00 | |
should be to deal with the people that they've victimised in the past. | 0:35:00 | 0:35:05 | |
When Father Myers found out that I was joining or had joined the legal compensation group, | 0:35:07 | 0:35:14 | |
regarding Father Collins, he immediately withdrew permission for me to go and see Father Collins. | 0:35:14 | 0:35:20 | |
By now, the dialogue had stopped. | 0:35:20 | 0:35:23 | |
The openness had ended. | 0:35:23 | 0:35:25 | |
Promised access to the Order's archives had been withdrawn | 0:35:25 | 0:35:29 | |
and, crucially, Father Myers denied they had known a complaint of abuse had been made against Father Collins | 0:35:29 | 0:35:36 | |
when they sent him to another boys' school in Africa. | 0:35:36 | 0:35:39 | |
Rory decided to visit Collins without permission. | 0:35:39 | 0:35:43 | |
Father Collins' round-robin letters confessing to sexual pleasure and sadism were not enough. | 0:35:45 | 0:35:51 | |
He wanted to ask Collins why he'd fondled him. | 0:35:51 | 0:35:55 | |
He wanted a record of what was said and decided to film the meeting secretly. | 0:35:55 | 0:36:01 | |
'The day I went down to Surrey to see Father Collins, | 0:36:02 | 0:36:07 | |
'I really didn't know what I was going to do. | 0:36:07 | 0:36:11 | |
'When we got very close, | 0:36:12 | 0:36:15 | |
'I could see in the mirror on the car that my face was white. | 0:36:15 | 0:36:20 | |
'And then I started feeling an incredible amount of fear. | 0:36:20 | 0:36:24 | |
'I was going to see someone I absolutely loathe and hate. | 0:36:24 | 0:36:29 | |
-Father Collins. -Morning. Lovely to see you. -How are you? I'm Rory. | 0:36:29 | 0:36:33 | |
-Rory... -Rory Johnston. -Johnston. -Yes, yes. | 0:36:33 | 0:36:37 | |
Why did you do it? When you touched and fondled, was it to explain to them that it was wrong? | 0:36:37 | 0:36:43 | |
I honestly, Rory, think there's some mistake in your memory. | 0:36:43 | 0:36:50 | |
-Honestly. -Yeah. -I have not the slightest recollection | 0:36:52 | 0:36:56 | |
-of ever fondling anybody. -No, OK. -I was not the sort of person that would do that. | 0:36:56 | 0:37:03 | |
No. | 0:37:03 | 0:37:04 | |
I was brought up almost with a Puritan view | 0:37:04 | 0:37:09 | |
of any... | 0:37:09 | 0:37:11 | |
..any physical contact with other people. | 0:37:11 | 0:37:15 | |
I thought for 50 years that I was the only person in the world that this had happened to. | 0:37:15 | 0:37:21 | |
-I never told a soul, not my mother, father, sisters. -What actually... | 0:37:21 | 0:37:25 | |
What happened was that. | 0:37:25 | 0:37:28 | |
People started talking on this... | 0:37:29 | 0:37:31 | |
Yes, but what happened between you and me that you describe as sexual? | 0:37:31 | 0:37:38 | |
-You were fondling me. -Oh, no, Rory. | 0:37:38 | 0:37:42 | |
-This is... -This is indelibly marked. | 0:37:42 | 0:37:45 | |
Yes, but it's... | 0:37:45 | 0:37:47 | |
It's either an hallucination | 0:37:48 | 0:37:51 | |
or maybe something built up from the sheer hatred you would feel for me. | 0:37:51 | 0:37:59 | |
Not because I did those things. I never did, I can swear to that. | 0:37:59 | 0:38:04 | |
-You did. -In my whole life. | 0:38:04 | 0:38:06 | |
I have never committed any sexual act whatsoever | 0:38:06 | 0:38:10 | |
with male or female. | 0:38:10 | 0:38:13 | |
Far from confessing, Father Collins denied to Rory what he had already acknowledged in signed statements. | 0:38:15 | 0:38:22 | |
When Father Collins told me I was hallucinating, I was very, very annoyed | 0:38:34 | 0:38:39 | |
because I knew... I can still picture to this day what happened. | 0:38:39 | 0:38:44 | |
Father Collins claimed not to remember Rory | 0:38:44 | 0:38:47 | |
but he did remember another boy, Donald MacFaul, | 0:38:47 | 0:38:51 | |
and the incident at Grace Dieu, the English school, before he left for Africa. | 0:38:51 | 0:38:58 | |
'And there was a boy named Donald MacFaul. | 0:38:58 | 0:39:02 | |
'As I came in to the room, the door was there | 0:39:02 | 0:39:06 | |
'and there was Donald's bed. | 0:39:06 | 0:39:09 | |
'And...I thought I heard a... | 0:39:09 | 0:39:13 | |
'quite a rubbing, quite vigorous. | 0:39:17 | 0:39:20 | |
'And it struck me, almost in a panic, "Gosh! | 0:39:20 | 0:39:24 | |
'"I wonder if he's trying to masturbate?" | 0:39:24 | 0:39:29 | |
'And in utter stupidity | 0:39:29 | 0:39:32 | |
'I put my hands under the covers to grab his hands | 0:39:32 | 0:39:37 | |
'and he said, "What are you doing?" | 0:39:37 | 0:39:40 | |
'And I said to him, "What are YOU doing, Donald?" | 0:39:40 | 0:39:44 | |
'That's as far as the talk got. I daren't explain | 0:39:44 | 0:39:48 | |
'about masturbation in case he'd never heard of it, | 0:39:48 | 0:39:53 | |
'you see. So, obviously, when he got back home, | 0:39:53 | 0:39:57 | |
'he must have told his father | 0:39:57 | 0:39:59 | |
'and it was his father that came to the conclusion, | 0:39:59 | 0:40:04 | |
'an older, experienced man, that I was a paedophile. | 0:40:04 | 0:40:08 | |
'And he said I was trying | 0:40:08 | 0:40:11 | |
'to put my hand onto Donald's genitals, | 0:40:11 | 0:40:15 | |
'which, of course, was miles from the truth.' | 0:40:15 | 0:40:19 | |
I'm just appalled at that, | 0:40:19 | 0:40:22 | |
that the incident that so upset me then and has been with me ever since | 0:40:22 | 0:40:29 | |
can be... justified in this way. | 0:40:30 | 0:40:33 | |
It even beggars belief. | 0:40:33 | 0:40:36 | |
He is saying that what he was doing, | 0:40:36 | 0:40:39 | |
trying to have a grope in my bed, weren't sexual acts. | 0:40:39 | 0:40:44 | |
What he is saying there is a lie. It's not true. | 0:40:44 | 0:40:48 | |
I know that personally. | 0:40:49 | 0:40:51 | |
'And then it was interpreted | 0:40:52 | 0:40:56 | |
'as paedophilia by Dr MacFaul | 0:40:57 | 0:41:01 | |
'and he wrote to the Rector | 0:41:01 | 0:41:03 | |
'and the Rector asked my permission to refer the whole case to the President, which he did. | 0:41:03 | 0:41:10 | |
'And, as I say, I heard no more about it. | 0:41:10 | 0:41:14 | |
'The President and the rest gathered together and thought, | 0:41:14 | 0:41:18 | |
'"It's an open and shut case." | 0:41:18 | 0:41:21 | |
'And it wasn't, but my story was utterly feeble.' | 0:41:22 | 0:41:28 | |
What is clear is that it was reported up the chain | 0:41:28 | 0:41:32 | |
and, as Collins himself says, nothing happened | 0:41:32 | 0:41:36 | |
other than that in November | 0:41:36 | 0:41:39 | |
he went out to East Africa. | 0:41:39 | 0:41:43 | |
Today, the Rosminian order still denies they knew Collins was a suspected paedophile | 0:41:43 | 0:41:49 | |
when they sent him to Africa. | 0:41:49 | 0:41:53 | |
December, 2010. Kit Cunningham died, aged 79, | 0:42:01 | 0:42:05 | |
with glowing obituaries in three national newspapers. | 0:42:05 | 0:42:09 | |
This is fresh off the press, yesterday's paper. It's the Guardian. | 0:42:09 | 0:42:14 | |
Here is the third obituary that I have read now, all with the same photograph. | 0:42:14 | 0:42:21 | |
His self-congratulatory smirk that he has on his face. | 0:42:21 | 0:42:27 | |
I find it offensive. | 0:42:27 | 0:42:29 | |
The obituaries refer to the fact that he was appointed an MBE in 1997, | 0:42:29 | 0:42:35 | |
but they don't report the fact | 0:42:35 | 0:42:38 | |
that he agreed to return the MBE. | 0:42:38 | 0:42:42 | |
So at this point Kit Cunningham's reputation is fully intact. | 0:42:42 | 0:42:48 | |
Publicly, he put his best foot forward, but privately he was a monster, | 0:42:52 | 0:42:58 | |
certainly to us as kids. | 0:42:58 | 0:43:01 | |
When I went to the computer, I found out that Father Kit had died. | 0:43:02 | 0:43:07 | |
The first thing that came up was the Daily Telegraph blog. | 0:43:07 | 0:43:11 | |
So I read it and here we go. | 0:43:11 | 0:43:13 | |
"He was greatly loved by many people whose lives he touched." | 0:43:13 | 0:43:18 | |
But they didn't mention the boys that he touched. | 0:43:20 | 0:43:24 | |
I decided that I'd put my own comment about him and I said that he had handed his MBE back | 0:43:25 | 0:43:32 | |
and that if they wanted to they could contact Father David Myers to find out why. | 0:43:32 | 0:43:39 | |
So I'm looking at an internet notice on the Catholic News website | 0:43:49 | 0:43:54 | |
which is an announcement of a memorial service that's planned for Kit Cunningham. | 0:43:54 | 0:44:00 | |
The church is once again, consistent with their long history, | 0:44:02 | 0:44:06 | |
covering up the truth. | 0:44:06 | 0:44:08 | |
What other interpretation can their be? | 0:44:08 | 0:44:12 | |
We presented our testimony. | 0:44:12 | 0:44:15 | |
The Rosminian Order, Father Myers, has known the truth for over a year now. | 0:44:15 | 0:44:22 | |
Father Myers professed interest | 0:44:22 | 0:44:24 | |
in healing the wounds of the past. | 0:44:24 | 0:44:28 | |
It seems a complete contradiction to having a memorial. | 0:44:28 | 0:44:33 | |
How does that contribute to my healing? | 0:44:33 | 0:44:37 | |
It seemed that Father Myers had made his choice | 0:44:39 | 0:44:43 | |
to protect the interests of the Rosminian Order over its victims. | 0:44:43 | 0:44:47 | |
This only strengthened their resolve to sue. | 0:44:47 | 0:44:51 | |
If I get some relief, personal relief, out of this, | 0:44:52 | 0:44:56 | |
that's an added bonus, but that's not really what I'm after here. | 0:44:56 | 0:45:01 | |
What I went into this process for was to bring this out into the open so that people know what happened, | 0:45:03 | 0:45:10 | |
so that hopefully it doesn't happen again. That's my objective here. | 0:45:10 | 0:45:15 | |
This whole forgiveness thing is a funny thing. | 0:45:29 | 0:45:33 | |
When you forgive somebody, what are you doing? | 0:45:33 | 0:45:37 | |
Are you... | 0:45:38 | 0:45:40 | |
Are you making it better for them or making it better for you? | 0:45:40 | 0:45:44 | |
Em... | 0:45:44 | 0:45:46 | |
From my point of view, once you forgive someone, | 0:45:49 | 0:45:53 | |
you've stopped them renting space in your head. | 0:45:53 | 0:45:57 | |
If they said, "You've got a choice between having a full apology from us about Father Collins | 0:46:06 | 0:46:12 | |
"and everybody knows that he was a paedophile, | 0:46:12 | 0:46:16 | |
"or here's £20,000," I'll take the apology. | 0:46:16 | 0:46:20 | |
Whatever happens to the compensation group, the thing that is most important to me at the moment | 0:46:20 | 0:46:26 | |
is that the story is told and the truth will come out and not be a secret as it has for 50 years. | 0:46:26 | 0:46:34 | |
The compensational damages that are paid | 0:46:40 | 0:46:43 | |
in cases such as this can never actually deal with or cure | 0:46:43 | 0:46:50 | |
the damage that has been done. | 0:46:50 | 0:46:52 | |
This is a form of wrapping up. I'd put it that way. | 0:46:52 | 0:46:57 | |
As opposed to carrying it. That's what it'll do for me. | 0:46:58 | 0:47:03 | |
January, 2011. | 0:47:08 | 0:47:10 | |
The memorial service for Father Kit Cunningham. | 0:47:10 | 0:47:15 | |
The tiny church was packed. | 0:47:15 | 0:47:17 | |
Rory decided to attend and took a tape recorder. | 0:47:18 | 0:47:23 | |
A year after the victims had submitted their testimonies, | 0:47:23 | 0:47:28 | |
it was all still a secret known only to a few. | 0:47:28 | 0:47:32 | |
The mass was led by Father David Myers. | 0:47:32 | 0:47:36 | |
Be silent, adore and rejoice. | 0:48:03 | 0:48:07 | |
Father Myers declined to participate in this documentary, | 0:48:16 | 0:48:20 | |
quoting Lamentations, Chapter 3, Verse 26. | 0:48:20 | 0:48:24 | |
"It is good to wait in silence." | 0:48:25 | 0:48:27 | |
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