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I'm Jamelia and I'm a singer.

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I'm one of nearly two million single mums living in Britain,

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and it's not something I'm proud of.

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I was bought up by a single mum,

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and I always dreamed of having the perfect nuclear family for my own children.

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But things didn't turn out that way,

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and I've ended up raising my two daughters alone.

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Like any mum, I love my children to bits,

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but now that I'm on my own, I feel judged by others

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and disappointed with myself for not doing it the right way.

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It doesn't help that single mums are always being given a hard time.

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Right, just wait there.

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I'll just be a few hours.

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Don't be giving me baby evils!

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I want to try and understand why I feel the way I do,

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by finding out about the experiences of other single mums in the past.

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The women who had to hide themselves and their children from the rest of the world.

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She stayed away from anybody in authority -

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no doctors, no dentists.

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And those for whom this shame was so great, they had to give their newborn babies away.

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I felt the longing to have her, to hold her, to keep her.

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But in my head, I knew that I had to give her up.

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I really want to walk in other people's shoes,

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I want people to tell me their stories and I want to know,

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what was it like for you?

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11 years ago, when I was 19, my music career was just taking off.

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I was travelling the world, and had won my first big award

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when I found out I was pregnant.

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I just remember thinking at that point, "You've messed up."

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And I thought once I told my record label, I'd be dropped.

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Pull it back. And go.

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That's it. Good girl.

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I never wanted to be a single mum,

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even now I don't want to be a single mum,

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that definitely was not one of my ambitions.

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You going to help me do Teja's hair?

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Why don't you do this one, and then I'll do...

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-I'll do this one. I'm her stylist.

-You're her stylist?

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This is Teja, and she's ten,

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and this is Tiani, and she's five.

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They see their dads at least once a week and spend time with them

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and that's something that I actively encourage,

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I want them to be close to their dads,

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I want them to have the father-daughter relationship

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that I've always wanted myself,

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and when their dads come and I see them jump into their arms,

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I just think, "Aw". It's lovely to see, it really is.

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I had Teja with my first love,

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and my first love was by far the wrong love.

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Basically, it was a domestically abusive situation.

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And it was just one incident, and I just got out of there.

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And I think that, had I not had Teja,

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I would not have had the balls to get out.

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When Teja was three, nearly four, I met Darren.

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I would describe that as a bit of a whirlwind romance, to be honest.

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I became pregnant quite early on in that relationship,

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and I didn't want to be on my own,

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I didn't want to admit to myself, "Oh God, I've failed again."

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And so we stuck it out for, like, five years.

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It just got to a point where we were just being horrible to each other,

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and I just thought, "This isn't a nice environment, this is no nicer an environment for our children

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"than us being apart."

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I'm in no way a promiscuous person or anything like that,

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but I've got two children by two different dads,

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it really is something that I'm not proud of, I'm really not proud of.

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I do wish that I'd done it right,

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and when I say "done it right", I mean, you know, met someone,

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be with them for years, get married, and then have children,

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cos I think that's the right way to do it.

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I want to start by looking at the past,

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but strangely, there's very little written about single mums.

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War, war, war,

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Tudors...

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Great Harry, the Prince.

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How can I not find anything, not one book?

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Is it the fact that we're being hidden, you know,

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we're being hidden away, as if they didn't exist in history.

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How can there just be nothing?

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But I've heard that 100 years ago, if you were pregnant and unmarried,

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you could end up living like an outcast.

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I'm off to visit a place which used to take in single mums

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who had no way of supporting themselves.

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It's called a workhouse, and there was one of these in every town.

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It just looks so bare!

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All enclosed in as well, like a prison or something.

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Hi, I'm Jamelia.

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'My guide, Catherine, is going to show me around.'

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-Welcome to the workhouse at Southall.

-Thank you.

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So basically, 100 years ago,

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this was probably a place where mothers today,

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single mothers today on benefits, would have ended up?

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If you were a mother with children and your family's not going to be able to support you,

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then basically, you're going to be destitute,

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and the only relief that can be offered to you is the workhouse.

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The idea that you've had sex outside of marriage is very bad,

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and the Victorians are making a concerted effort

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to try and stamp it out.

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They're doing that because it's very rampant, very prevalent,

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it's not like it's not happening, it was very common in society.

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And so they're trying to find a moral way of reforming people.

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Sounds like the workhouse was a kind of hiding place for anyone

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that society was embarrassed by,

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"Let's put them in the workhouse," was it that kind of thing?

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They do have a physical separation,

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there are high walls round the garden,

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so that the people in the workhouse can't see beyond the workhouse,

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there are no windows on the side wall, so you can't see beyond the workhouse property,

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and equally, so people can't see in.

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'In the workhouse, unmarried mothers

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'were given a bed in a dormitory and three meals a day.'

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Oh, my gosh!

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You've got a nice straw mattress,

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and then a nice scratchy sheet, nothing pleasant about that.

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'In return, they had to earn their keep by working in the kitchens,

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'recycling old rope and scrubbing the floors.

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'They had no privacy,

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'and any free time was spent praying for forgiveness.

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'The women could leave the workhouse at any time,

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'but many often arrived pregnant, and would stay for several years.'

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This was horrible, what was this used for?

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This was the original infirmary building,

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so if you were unwell or needed isolating because of your illness, you would come here.

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In the case of unmarried mothers,

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if you're going to be giving birth,

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this is where it's going to take place.

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How long would they be in here, before...?

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They'd be with the babies the first few weeks, and then later on, the babies are separated out

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and they'd be in a special area for the younger children.

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With, usually, assistant nurses and a trusted inmate,

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perhaps acting as a wet nurse, actually breastfeeding the babies

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-on behalf of you and all the other mothers.

-OK.

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-Why weren't they able to look after their own babies?

-They genuinely believe that,

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particularly with unmarried mothers, that the mothers are morally dubious,

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and have made a bad decision in life,

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and the best thing to do was to whip it away from its mother,

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and to show it good Victorian values

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of, you know, hard work and cleanliness and schooling.

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They don't want the... particularly the unmarried mothers corrupting them.

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Honestly, it just seems...

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It sounds to me just so kind of heartbreaking,

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because obviously, I'm a single parent myself, and it doesn't make you any less of a mother

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or any less capable as a mother,

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and just to have your child, in a way, ripped away from you

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and then being told you're dubious character and stuff like that,

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I can't imagine what that must have felt like, it's just heartbreaking.

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It's another part of the deterrent.

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The thing that people most fear about the workhouse,

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apart from the stigma they're going to get from having come here,

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is that family separation.

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I'd really like to speak to one of the single mums who was in the workhouse,

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to find out what it was like to be separated from her children, and the rest of the world.

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It's unlikely that any of them are still alive,

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but amazingly, I have managed to track down 91-year-old Bill Golding.

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He went into the workhouse with his mum in 1924,

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after she was thrown out of her home by her family,

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for having a second child out of wedlock.

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-Hello Bill, nice to meet you.

-Hello, Jamelia.

-How are you? Thank you.

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-What was your mum's name?

-Ida Rose.

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Ida Rose, oh, that's a nice name. That's a nice name.

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Do you remember anything about being there?

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Um yeah, I do remember the smell there,

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carbolic and stale bread,

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and I remember the old women,

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they always looked old in those days, scrubbing the floors, yeah.

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What would your mother's father have thought about her having a child out of wedlock?

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Well, disapproved of course.

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It was frowned upon in those days, and, um...

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Well, the stigma that I carried along with me as well, you see.

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You were called a bastard, for starters,

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one thing about embarrassed about things...

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when I got married, er, in 1945,

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where it says, um, "father's name",

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rather than say I had no father,

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I said "Oh, yes, my father was William Golding, deceased" you see,

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-so, um...

-Oh, so you told a lie?

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So, so...

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To save embarrassment for everybody, you know.

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So did your wife know you were born out of wedlock?

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-Er, yes.

-Did she know at this point?

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Um, at that point, no.

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Wow.

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I mean, are you happy that the world has changed in the way that it has?

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Well, the world gets better all the time, I think,

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when they talk about the good old days, it was not at all, no.

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It's really sad.

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'Bill was sent to a children's home after being in the workhouse,

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'and hardly saw his mum again.'

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'It really did hit me when Bill kept referring to himself as illegitimate,

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'and that he was a bastard, it's just so wrong,'

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and also for Bill to carry that shame,

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the shame that his mother put on him, and...

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obviously me, I can totally understand how someone ends up

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in that situation as the parent,

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but I cannot understand, or even accept the fact

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that Bill himself was penalised

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for being born within a single parent family, it's just...

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..awful.

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Bill's story has made me realise how lucky I am to be able to

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come back to a lovely home

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and look after my own children.

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I know that because of my singing career,

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I don't have the same money problems as many single mums.

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You know, I don't worry about...

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"I haven't got enough money to buy bread"

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or "I can't... What are we going to eat tonight?"

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because I haven't got any money.

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I don't have those worries.

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-I should have did some garlic bread or something.

-Oh!

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I think the hardest thing about being a single mum, is being alone.

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It's being, you know, having everything on your back.

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The worst times are when, you know, when I'm worried,

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when I'm down, when I'm upset, those are the worst times,

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because I feel as if I don't even have the room to do that,

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I've got to schedule my tears, you know.

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For instance, going through the divorce,

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I've had times where I've been so down and so depressed

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and all I want to do is wrap up in my duvet and cry, and I can't.

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It's not a splinter, looks like...

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'I've got to make sure I've done everything else, or seen to their needs first.'

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It's not cut, you were ready to cry then!

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I've discovered that during the Second World War,

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the number of women having babies out of marriage went up.

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There were also a lot more women raising their kids on their own,

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because their husbands were away at war.

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But even in this climate, it seems as if there was

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still a huge stigma about being an unmarried mum.

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I know this because I'm really struggling to get anyone to talk.

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Would you to be willing to share your story? We have tried so hard...

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'Eventually I strike gold with Micheline,

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'who has agreed to tell me her own mum's story.'

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It seems to be a point in time where that people are kind of

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embarrassed about, you know, about this subject in particular.

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I mean, how does that make you feel? Is it a familiar feeling?

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Well, being in this street is very strange,

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because this is where I grew up and I remember being a tiny kid.

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It's full of memories, but also it's a bit strange for me

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to be talking about this, because it's very private,

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and...

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I just hope that my mother would...

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understand the reason that we're doing this.

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Because it's a piece of history,

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but I'm a little bit uneasy about talking about such a private matter.

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This is my mother about the time that I was born.

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-Wow, she looks like a film star!

-She does, doesn't she?

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I always say that, but it's true, isn't it?

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She came from Leeds in Yorkshire,

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and she was a fashion designer.

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She came to live in London and this is where she ended up

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in the summer of 1940, and this is where she had me.

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She was very sociable.

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She, in a strange sort of way, was enjoying the war,

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that seems bizarre, but you can imagine London was the...

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party capital of Europe at that time.

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London was a great, fun place to be with soldiers coming in,

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and my father was in the free French air force,

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and she met him in a dance hall not far from here

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in Tottenham Court Road.

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-That's him with the free French air force people.

-Oh, wow, OK.

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That was all his mates in whatever they called a squadron or something.

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I must emphasize that she was an extremely proper person,

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so although she was out dancing and merry making,

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she was not the kind of girl who would go and have sex with anybody.

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So how it was that my father...

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Well, he said that he would marry her as soon as the war was over, and she believed him.

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He came back in 1945 after I'd been born

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and stayed for a week,

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and disappeared forever, and she was on her own.

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And of course she WAS a very proper person

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and for her, that was a terrible shock

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because it was embarrassing to have got caught out like that,

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to have believed that story, and then find out that it wasn't true.

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So she just changed magically from being Miss O'Sullivan

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to Mrs O'Sullivan,

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and I suppose if you think about a street like this during the war,

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a lot of people coming and going, she just managed to keep a low profile.

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Because of course, what we now know,

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the anxiety was that if you had a baby and you weren't married,

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somebody somewhere might come and take it away from you.

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-I absolutely love it.

-This is where we used to come every summer.

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It's a five-minute walk from the house,

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and my mother would work every morning sewing at her machine,

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until midday when she would get washed and dressed

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and get me ready, put me in the pram,

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and we came here every day.

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It seemed as if you and your mum

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lived like in a little bubble,

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do you know why that was?

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It was the fear of having the baby taken away.

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The best way to make sure that didn't happen was to not let anybody know that we were there,

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and so she stayed away from anybody in authority.

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No doctors, no dentists,

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no baby clinic.

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It must have been a huge compromise the day that she decided to send me to the nursery,

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that must have been quite worrying.

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But she needed to take up her career again. She took me

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to the nursery and I was there for a year. When I was five,

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the strangest thing of all, she sent me to a private school.

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Which was very expensive, she sent me to the French Institute.

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I mean, how did she afford to do that?

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She worked and worked.

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-She worked very long hours, ten to 12 hours a day...

-Yeah.

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..and she never asked anybody for any money.

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As far as I can recall,

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nobody ever gave her money except if she had earned it.

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-No benefits?

-No benefits, nothing. Nothing at all,

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and so it was a very quiet, secluded hermit-like existence,

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and I was incredibly happy.

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That's what little kids want, isn't it, to be with their mum,

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-and have her undivided attention.

-Yeah.

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What do you think of the possibility that you could have been

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separated from your mum, that you could have been taken away?

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She'd have been like a lioness, she would never have let anybody take me.

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She'd have lived in a hole in the ground if she'd had to,

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she would never, ever, ever have let anybody take me away.

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I always knew that I was absolutely wanted

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and absolutely cherished all the way through,

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and I'm glad she was my mum.

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There's no way of knowing how many other women had to hide

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the fact that they were single mums, just to be able to raise their kids.

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The thing I can really relate to about Micheline's mum's story is

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the feeling you have to make up for being a single parent in some way.

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OK, so what is she, what is her job?

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-Farmer.

-She's a farmer, so where would she go? What letter?

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-F.

-Yes, good girl.

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With the job I have, I don't have that support system at home,

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I don't have that other person who can pick them

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up from school, that consistent, you know, partner.

0:20:030:20:06

Let's do this together.

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'You know, once I knew that I could home school,

0:20:080:20:11

'I knew that that was the best thing for our family.' Exactly.

0:20:110:20:14

Good girl, high five. You got it right, good girl, that's excellent!

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"Last one into bed has to switch out the light..."

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'I think as a single parent, you do overcompensate because

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'people think that your child is missing out,

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'and you feel that your child is missing out if your child doesn't

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'have that Mummy and Daddy situation which is in every single story.'

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"..After I switched out the light..."

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But it does kind of get to you,

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even if it's the prince and the princess in the palace, she's got the King and the Queen,

0:20:410:20:45

and it's just like you do feel like, well, I don't want my child

0:20:450:20:49

to feel as if she missed out, I want her to feel as if she had

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as full and as round an upbringing as any child in any environment.

0:20:530:20:58

'And so I definitely overcompensate, I do it all.

0:20:590:21:02

'I don't care how tired I am, how much effort it takes,

0:21:020:21:05

'I don't care how it impacts on me or even my health,

0:21:050:21:08

'anything, I'm going to do it just because I want them

0:21:080:21:11

'to feel like they had it all and they did it all and they didn't miss out.'

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Looking at magazines from the 1950s, it's clear that

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the traditional family continued to be the only option for women.

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Teaching you how to make jelly and fudge...

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..perfect homemakers.

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Shirt expertly ironed.

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Could do with reading this!

0:21:420:21:44

You know, every single thing is aimed at...

0:21:440:21:47

..the nuclear family, everything is aimed at that whole situation

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and any pictures, any representation, of women,

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there seems to always be a man next to them.

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"The Art of Marriage,"

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I mean, the fact that they've got, you know, a section

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which is "The Art of Marriage",

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it kind of indicates to me that...

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They assume that every woman reading it would be a married woman.

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It's not called Married Woman, it's just called Woman,

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so what if you're not a married woman?

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I mean, a single mother at this time must have...

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really felt outcast.

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Then came the swinging 60s, which I've always been told

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was a time of cool music, fashion and sexual liberation.

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And in Britain by now, there was a well established benefits system,

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so by this time, I was really expecting that everything would be easier for single mums.

0:22:510:22:55

'In 1965, Padmoney Staples was 16 years old

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'when she discovered she was pregnant.'

0:23:070:23:11

So, Padmoney, this used to be your old house?

0:23:110:23:13

Yes, this is where I lived as a child.

0:23:130:23:15

You had a baby, was it in the 60s?

0:23:150:23:18

It was in 1965 that I got pregnant and at the time,

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-I was going to technical college doing a secretarial course.

-OK.

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I worked part time on a Saturday in the Co-op.

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I didn't know quite what to do, cos I couldn't tell me parents,

0:23:270:23:30

I was really terrified, so I waited

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and hoped it would go away and of course it didn't go away.

0:23:330:23:36

So in the end, I told my father

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and my father took me to the doctors,

0:23:370:23:41

and sort of just everything went into overdrive

0:23:410:23:44

about what would happen, but mostly it was kept a secret,

0:23:440:23:47

nobody really knew.

0:23:470:23:49

Had to leave college, and I was actually sacked from my job

0:23:490:23:53

-at the Co-op because I was unmarried and pregnant.

-Gosh! Yeah.

0:23:530:23:56

I know people think of it as the swinging 60s, but it wasn't really.

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It was a thing of shame and I had to hide and it was horrible.

0:24:000:24:04

There were very few birth control options available at this time.

0:24:070:24:11

There was no sex education,

0:24:110:24:13

abortion was illegal until 1967,

0:24:130:24:16

and you couldn't go on the pill unless you were married.

0:24:160:24:20

-Well, this is the bus that I would have taken to go to the mother and baby home in Newcastle.

-Oh, OK.

0:24:200:24:25

And I went there just about one month before the baby was born,

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and we caught this bus, my father came with me,

0:24:300:24:33

I had me little suitcase with me clothes and things in

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and a little layette for the baby. I knitted the cardigans and things for her.

0:24:370:24:41

Do you remember what you spoke about on the bus journey?

0:24:410:24:45

Did you speak about what was happening?

0:24:450:24:47

No. No, I don't know what we talked about, whether we talked

0:24:470:24:51

about the weather or the sites that we were passing or what,

0:24:510:24:54

but we certainly didn't talk about what was happening.

0:24:540:24:57

About I was going away to have the baby,

0:24:570:25:01

that just...

0:25:010:25:02

I can't explain that enough, it just was not talked about.

0:25:020:25:07

It was as though I'm sitting with this belly out and it was ignored.

0:25:070:25:11

We were just going on a bus

0:25:110:25:13

to a place where I was going to live for a few weeks.

0:25:130:25:15

And that was that.

0:25:160:25:18

Unmarried pregnant women would be sent

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to church-run mother and baby homes, like Ellswick Lodge,

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eight weeks before their due date.

0:25:300:25:32

Some did keep their babies, but many, because their parents' shame was too great,

0:25:340:25:39

had to give up their babies for adoption.

0:25:390:25:42

How do you feel being back here?

0:25:450:25:48

Strange, it's very strange.

0:25:480:25:50

I mean, did your dad just say bye at the door or...?

0:25:500:25:53

He was shovelled away. I don't think he stayed any time at all,

0:25:530:25:57

he just left me at the door with my bag.

0:25:570:25:59

This was the main sitting room where we used to all go

0:25:590:26:02

and sit round in chairs knitting, all knitting while we were pregnant.

0:26:020:26:06

Knit, knit, knit, knit, knit, knit...

0:26:060:26:08

Did you have like a kind of, you know, like a unit of friends,

0:26:080:26:11

-did you find...?

-I made one or two very close friends. Actually, when I came to be here,

0:26:110:26:16

it was a relief because it was so nice to be with other women

0:26:160:26:20

who were all in the same boat, younger women,

0:26:200:26:22

older women, it was just such a relief to be able to talk

0:26:220:26:26

about things and feel the same, not feel so ashamed as we had at home.

0:26:260:26:30

When you'd had your baby, you came out of the annexe

0:26:300:26:34

-and went into the bedroom.

-Where did you have your baby? Did you go to hospital?

0:26:340:26:38

I did go to hospital to have my baby. They took you by taxi

0:26:380:26:40

when you were in labour, they took us in taxi.

0:26:400:26:43

Did your parents come and help you? No, you're laughing!

0:26:430:26:46

That's just so bizarre! No, nobody went with me

0:26:470:26:50

I went totally on me own. The whole thing I did on me own.

0:26:500:26:53

I think my dad came once to see me.

0:26:530:26:56

So your parents did know you'd had the baby?

0:26:560:26:59

Oh, yes, yes, they knew, yeah.

0:26:590:27:01

-But my mother never came to see me, just my dad.

-Hmm.

0:27:020:27:06

I just remember...

0:27:130:27:14

This is where you came, this is where you came with your baby?

0:27:190:27:23

-You came here?

-Yes.

0:27:240:27:25

When you gave birth... I mean, I remember this kind of just

0:27:280:27:31

euphoric feeling and just instantly falling in love.

0:27:310:27:34

I mean, how did that feel for you?

0:27:360:27:39

Well, I can't remember any euphoria,

0:27:390:27:41

but I can remember falling in love.

0:27:410:27:43

Cos the moment I clapped eyes on her, I didn't want to give her up.

0:27:430:27:47

I felt the longing to have her, to hold her to keep her,

0:27:470:27:51

that bonding it was just there. She was MY baby.

0:27:510:27:54

But in my head I KNEW that I had to give her up, so it was like trying

0:27:550:28:00

to keep the lid on that, trying to keep it controlled.

0:28:000:28:02

It was a fight between the head and the heart all the time,

0:28:020:28:05

wanting to keep her and hold her, and knowing she had to go,

0:28:050:28:08

that I had no choice.

0:28:080:28:10

When it was leading up to that day, I mean, how did you feel?

0:28:100:28:15

What was going through your mind at that time?

0:28:150:28:18

It's hard to sort of think of the dichotomy, but was terrified of the day arriving...

0:28:180:28:23

..but I also couldn't stand it, the sort of waiting, waiting, waiting was terrible.

0:28:240:28:29

So I both wanted it to happen and didn't want it to happen.

0:28:290:28:33

We never quite knew when it was going to happen either.

0:28:330:28:36

They didn't really tell you until about the day before.

0:28:360:28:40

What do you mean? Oh, sorry, that's... That's shocking.

0:28:400:28:43

So they just one day would come up to you and say OK?

0:28:430:28:47

Your baby's going tomorrow, yeah.

0:28:470:28:49

Quiet word in your ear,

0:28:490:28:51

maybe the evening before when we're all sat in the lounge after dinner.

0:28:510:28:55

I can remember whoever it was, you know, the other girls would rally round and try and be nice to them,

0:28:560:29:02

but it was always a subdued atmosphere when a baby was going the next day.

0:29:020:29:06

So...when, you know, when it came to that point...

0:29:110:29:19

..where you had to go there... Sorry, I'm getting really upset.

0:29:190:29:22

So, um, when it when it got to that point where you had to go to...

0:29:370:29:41

I mean, what happened? The next day, what happened?

0:29:420:29:45

The next day, we did the morning routine, getting up.

0:29:450:29:49

I think I probably was a bit more relaxed about being up in the night.

0:29:490:29:53

-Yeah.

-Thinking, "It's my last night," so I probably took more time,

0:29:530:29:57

but in the morning you got your baby ready, got it dressed in its best clothes.

0:29:570:30:01

Yeah.

0:30:010:30:03

And then my father came.

0:30:060:30:08

He probably came up on the bus, but we got a taxi,

0:30:080:30:11

and I took the baby in the taxi to the moral welfare workers office.

0:30:110:30:16

So you went, like, to an office?

0:30:160:30:18

Yeah, to an office in Newcastle, yeah.

0:30:180:30:20

And then what, you know, what happened there?

0:30:200:30:23

Well, I waited in one room,

0:30:250:30:28

with the baby, and the parents were in the next room.

0:30:280:30:32

And then the moral welfare worker

0:30:330:30:37

took the baby into them

0:30:370:30:40

and I was just so distraught, and crying and things.

0:30:400:30:43

I was supposed to meet them, but because I was so distraught,

0:30:430:30:46

they let the parents go, so when I was ready, when I'd pulled myself together and said, "Can I see them?",

0:30:460:30:51

-it was too late they'd gone.

-Yeah.

0:30:510:30:54

I mean, what did you feel at that point?

0:30:540:30:57

Did you get to kiss her goodbye, did you get to...? What did you do?

0:30:570:31:01

I kissed her goodbye, I hugged her and I said goodbye

0:31:010:31:05

-and told her it was for the best.

-Hmm.

0:31:050:31:08

I mean, so...

0:31:110:31:13

..once you'd had... Once you'd experienced that and...

0:31:140:31:18

..having to leave... I mean, did you feel as if you were reluctant?

0:31:200:31:23

Did you feel as if this really wasn't a situation that you wanted to happen?

0:31:230:31:27

I knew I didn't want it to happen, and I knew it had to.

0:31:270:31:31

And it was kind of just, "Let's just get it over with, let's just get it over with."

0:31:310:31:35

So going through the motions of doing it, and some kind of fog, really.

0:31:350:31:39

Cos, well, I cried and cried and cried,

0:31:410:31:43

I cried all the way home on the bus,

0:31:430:31:47

I cried myself to sleep for months and months and months afterwards.

0:31:470:31:51

And I had to sign the papers in about the October.

0:31:520:31:56

I had an interview with somebody, and I don't know who it was,

0:31:560:31:59

but I can remember she was some kind of social worker person,

0:31:590:32:03

and I remember having to answer lots of questions and I was upset then, I was crying.

0:32:030:32:08

She told me to shut up and stop crying, not to be so silly,

0:32:080:32:12

you know, "It was months ago now, you should be over it by now."

0:32:120:32:15

I know, in six months,

0:32:160:32:18

I hadn't got over it.

0:32:180:32:20

I haven't got over it in 47 years.

0:32:200:32:23

I certainly hadn't got over it in six months.

0:32:230:32:26

Sorry. I'm sorry.

0:32:280:32:31

I really didn't want to get you upset.

0:32:310:32:34

Thanks so much.

0:32:360:32:38

'The older generation are holding in so much.'

0:32:430:32:47

Half a million women had their babies taken from them.

0:32:490:32:53

You know, it wasn't... Even though they may have signed the papers,

0:32:540:32:57

they didn't want that to happen.

0:32:570:32:59

And we don't know how many of them are walking the streets,

0:33:010:33:04

how many of them we're in contact with every day.

0:33:040:33:07

These people may even be in our own families

0:33:070:33:10

and we don't know because it's all swept under the carpet.

0:33:100:33:13

I'm so glad so glad that I'm doing this programme and so glad that...

0:33:130:33:17

..people are getting to hear stories like this, because I don't know

0:33:190:33:23

in a way I feel so ignorant, I feel like...

0:33:230:33:25

I don't know, I just feel like I've kind of had my eyes closed

0:33:280:33:32

and really taken for granted...

0:33:320:33:34

I complain sometimes about being a single mum, it's not an issue now.

0:33:340:33:38

You know, I haven't got it hard,

0:33:380:33:40

I haven't got it as hard as I thought I did.

0:33:400:33:42

You know, at least I got the opportunity to be a single mum,

0:33:440:33:47

I've had the option of being a single mum

0:33:470:33:49

and didn't have to have a ring on my finger.

0:33:490:33:53

Padmoney went on to have a son,

0:33:560:33:58

but she never forgot the daughter she had to give up. 33 years later,

0:33:580:34:03

she managed to track her down in New Zealand, and they're still in touch.

0:34:030:34:08

Things must have changed quickly because in 1980,

0:34:220:34:25

14 years after Padmoney had her baby, my mum got pregnant with me.

0:34:250:34:30

-My sister wants to know if she can be your back up dancer.

-Does she?

0:34:330:34:37

Is she good at dancing?

0:34:370:34:39

'I wish I could bring her back here and chat about what it was like being a single mum in the '80s,

0:34:390:34:43

'but she lives in Jamaica now.'

0:34:430:34:45

Not even for a second did she feel that she wasn't going to have me

0:34:450:34:49

or that she couldn't have me, that she would have to give me up

0:34:490:34:53

or anything like that, I know that it was always,

0:34:530:34:55

"OK, I'm pregnant, that means I'm going to have a baby."

0:34:550:34:58

That's very indicative of the fact that times had changed by then.

0:34:580:35:02

I mean, this is only, you know... My mum had me in 1981,

0:35:020:35:07

this is only, what, 13, 14 years after Padmoney's story,

0:35:070:35:10

where she felt as a 16 year-old getting pregnant, 16, 17 year-old getting pregnant,

0:35:100:35:15

that she had no choice, she had no option. It was the unspoken rule.

0:35:150:35:19

I actually lived in that house there, number three.

0:35:210:35:25

I grew up there with my mum and my two brothers.

0:35:250:35:28

Growing up on this street with a single mother was pretty normal,

0:35:280:35:32

90% of the houses on this street were single-parent families, single mothers.

0:35:320:35:36

My mum struggled financially from time to time.

0:35:360:35:40

Everybody was borrowing, "Have you got some sugar, some eggs?"

0:35:400:35:43

It was very much that kind of community.

0:35:430:35:45

Everybody helped each other out, and I guess it's because everyone understood each other's situations.

0:35:450:35:51

My mum saw benefits as assistance,

0:35:510:35:55

as help when you needed it, but as soon as she was capable

0:35:550:35:58

of getting back to work, which she felt was when we got to school,

0:35:580:36:02

that's when she volunteered at the local play centre and worked her way up to the manager.

0:36:020:36:07

I look to my childhood and I say, genuinely,

0:36:070:36:11

my mum did the best she could, and that for me

0:36:110:36:14

is all you could want as a child, to know that your mum did

0:36:140:36:17

everything to the best of her ability for you.

0:36:170:36:21

So what had changed between the '60s and the '80s?

0:36:350:36:38

The answer is everything. For the first time ever,

0:36:380:36:42

women had choices and freedom.

0:36:420:36:44

They could buy a house, go on the pill, abortion was legal,

0:36:440:36:49

and they could now get a divorce from their husbands.

0:36:490:36:53

And everybody was talking about it.

0:36:530:36:55

She's only a child... and her without a father!

0:36:550:36:59

Well, I'm one of the new breed of free-thinking women - sex, yes, babies, yes, marriage, no.

0:36:590:37:04

Mother of God! What's the world coming to?

0:37:040:37:08

I find it so amazing the difference in, you know,

0:37:080:37:12

things that are on TV now, like the '70s seemed to be like the death

0:37:120:37:17

of shame almost, you know, the fact that, I don't know,

0:37:170:37:21

people having sex outside marriage now is kind of OK to talk about.

0:37:210:37:25

And even on TV, I mean, it's not...

0:37:250:37:28

The thing is it's not that long, but I guess...

0:37:280:37:32

I don't know, I guess maybe these new changes that came in really did make

0:37:320:37:36

a huge difference and, you know, had that kind of an impact on women

0:37:360:37:41

and popular culture as well.

0:37:410:37:43

I wonder what impact this new freedom for women had

0:37:480:37:51

on the new generation of us children who grew up with single mums.

0:37:510:37:55

These are just little bits that I've...

0:37:570:38:00

I made this, I'm such a Blue Peter kid. I made this for my mum for Mother's Day.

0:38:000:38:05

'Like me, the Emmerdale actress and TV star Roxanne Pallet

0:38:070:38:10

'was brought up by a single mum in the 1980s.'

0:38:100:38:14

I was born in 82,

0:38:140:38:16

so it was primary school for me, and I couldn't...

0:38:160:38:21

I mean, I've brought a picture this will make you laugh. It's Mummy, Grandma and Roxanne,

0:38:210:38:26

we're all smiling, but to me that was like the norm.

0:38:260:38:30

It was me mum an grandma, not a big deal, whereas I'm sure there was a few kids

0:38:300:38:34

who'd have to go and see the school psychologist with what they drew.

0:38:340:38:38

And they had a mum and a dad.

0:38:380:38:40

But this probably sums up my childhood best,

0:38:400:38:43

because it's the Betty Boo pose - do do be do -

0:38:430:38:46

and it's Mum, very windswept cos we were in Greece, Auntie Jackie,

0:38:460:38:52

and my grandma and me, and so it's three generations, and we were just

0:38:520:38:56

we were all so in sync with each other. I was always part of a gang.

0:38:560:38:59

Yeah, yeah.

0:38:590:39:01

It was a happy time and it was you and Grandma doing a high five.

0:39:010:39:04

She'd come in from one shift, you'd go out for another,

0:39:040:39:08

and we'd go out at the weekend and do stuff.

0:39:080:39:12

We weren't ruled by that stigma, because even though you were the only single mum

0:39:120:39:16

out of 30 kids in my class, I was one of the happy kids

0:39:160:39:20

and the brightest kids,

0:39:200:39:21

and I think that's what matters really, doesn't it?

0:39:210:39:24

Do you feel you've been affected in any way

0:39:240:39:27

by not having a dad around?

0:39:270:39:29

I've never missed out because it's all I've ever known, is

0:39:290:39:33

to have my mum and my grandma, and for me, that is my most... It doesn't

0:39:330:39:38

matter what I do in my career, my most prized possession

0:39:380:39:42

is you and Grandma bringing me up. I know I wouldn't be

0:39:420:39:46

as strong and as creative and as strong minded and independent,

0:39:460:39:51

and I value that. There's been moments in my life that

0:39:510:39:54

without this strength and this belief and tenacity

0:39:540:39:57

that I've got from you and Grandma, and watching a mum, a woman, do it

0:39:570:40:01

on her own, I don't think I would've survived certain moments.

0:40:010:40:04

-Absolutely.

-I think I'd have crumbled.

-The President of the United States

0:40:040:40:08

was brought up by a single mum, and I just think that we have

0:40:080:40:12

something in us, we do have something in us as children.

0:40:120:40:16

You know, to see our mums struggle like that makes us think,

0:40:160:40:20

"Well, if my mum can do it, I can do absolutely anything,"

0:40:200:40:23

and my mum gave me that. It's something that I now pass on to my daughters.

0:40:230:40:27

My mum definitely gave me the feeling that nothing is impossible.

0:40:270:40:30

If I'm going to have a man in my life, he has to be strong,

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not just physically, but mentally, emotionally,

0:40:330:40:36

and I can't... There's no room for error

0:40:360:40:39

if I'm going to invite a man into my life.

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And if I have a kid, I'm hoping that there will be

0:40:410:40:44

the dynamics of a mum and a dad, but I'm not scared if there isn't.

0:40:440:40:47

-Yeah.

-I'm not scared to do the single mum thing at all.

0:40:470:40:50

What do you think, Monica?

0:40:500:40:53

Oh, the tight lips have come out - she disagrees!

0:40:540:40:56

How could you cope with sleepless nights? You forget about the sleepless nights...

0:40:580:41:04

..and it is hard.

0:41:050:41:07

Don't be fooled into women making it look easy, because it isn't.

0:41:070:41:11

And I don't think that's changed from the '80s till now, you know.

0:41:110:41:14

Roxanne and Monica were part of a growing number

0:41:160:41:18

of single-parent families.

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By the 1990s, there were 1.3 million of them,

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and a special lone parent's benefit had been introduced

0:41:260:41:29

to help them out.

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But the political climate was changing.

0:41:310:41:33

It is time to get back to basics.

0:41:350:41:37

Britain's fast growing population of single parents have found themselves in the eye of a storm.

0:41:420:41:46

There is a small minority who need encouraging to form

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stable relationships and marriages before having children.

0:41:490:41:52

We do believe in the family unit as being the basis of a stable society.

0:41:520:41:57

We want to discourage the young mum who turns up with child in arms

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and stands on the town hall steps expecting the council

0:42:000:42:03

to immediately be able to help her.

0:42:030:42:05

'Annie Oliver has chosen to live as a single mother, and when three years...'

0:42:050:42:09

Single mum Annie Oliver was so upset by what was being

0:42:090:42:12

said at the time, that she went on television to defend herself.

0:42:120:42:16

Single parents are being scapegoated it seems.

0:42:160:42:20

It's not going to promote childcare to single-parent families

0:42:200:42:24

when he thinks single-parent families are unnatural.

0:42:240:42:27

'And she's still doing it today.'

0:42:270:42:29

-Hello. Hi, I'm Jamelia.

-I'm Annie.

-Hello, nice to meet you.

-And you.

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What's all this, then?

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This is some of the newspaper articles and cuttings from the '90s.

0:42:390:42:43

Well, I became a single parent in 1990, I had my son Alex...

0:42:430:42:47

-Oh, OK.

-..in 1990. I was on my own with this baby,

0:42:470:42:51

I'd left a violent relationship so I thought

0:42:510:42:54

I would do the right thing which is bring him up WITHOUT violence.

0:42:540:42:57

I had no money, I was living in this house that was cold.

0:42:570:43:02

I was really miserable, and then when I started to read this

0:43:020:43:06

stuff in the newspapers, it actually made me really, really depressed.

0:43:060:43:10

Made me really upset, I actually took it very, very personally.

0:43:100:43:14

"Single parents fail children," says a judge.

0:43:140:43:18

"Life on the estate of missing fathers."

0:43:180:43:22

Oh, this is John Redwood, he suggested that we put our children up for adoption.

0:43:220:43:26

What?!

0:43:260:43:27

This one, headed up," The single mothers, just who is to blame?"

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says the statistics tell a damning story

0:43:320:43:34

of social and moral irresponsibility.

0:43:340:43:37

So this is how we were being spoken about.

0:43:370:43:40

This is so unfair. What a horrible picture. Oh, my gosh.

0:43:400:43:44

This is how the people in power saw single parents at the time.

0:43:440:43:48

It's just so unfair, it's unfair to the mothers,

0:43:480:43:51

it's unfair to the children. As you said, children can read, my daughter could read that,

0:43:510:43:55

and I'd hate to be faced with something like this every day.

0:43:550:43:58

There was so much negative stuff that there was a cartoon in one of the newspapers,

0:43:580:44:02

and England had been knocked out of the World Cup,

0:44:020:44:05

and it was a cartoon of despondent footballers sat like that,

0:44:050:44:08

and underneath it said, "I blame single parents."

0:44:080:44:12

That's how much was in the media about how single parents were wrong.

0:44:130:44:16

This is the backlash, this is kind of, "Well, this has got too much,

0:44:160:44:21

"these women are leaving their husbands, and wanting social housing,

0:44:210:44:26

"and wanting access to benefits, and it's all too much."

0:44:260:44:29

And I think what happened was we became a scapegoat.

0:44:290:44:32

We are not in the business of subsidising scroungers...

0:44:320:44:37

..so Mr Chairman, just like in the Mikado,

0:44:380:44:42

I've got a little list...

0:44:420:44:44

of benefit offenders, who I'll soon be rooting out.

0:44:440:44:48

And who never would be missed. They never would be missed.

0:44:480:44:52

There's young ladies who get pregnant just to jump the housing queue,

0:44:520:44:56

and dads who won't support the kids

0:44:560:44:59

of the ladies they have...kissed.

0:44:590:45:02

LAUGHTER

0:45:020:45:04

'Who was that?'

0:45:090:45:11

That was Peter Lilley who was, um...

0:45:110:45:14

the minister for social security.

0:45:140:45:16

He upset a lot of people with that speech.

0:45:160:45:19

On his list is the list of fraudsters,

0:45:190:45:22

and that basically included single mothers?

0:45:220:45:25

-Looking after their children.

-Do you think that there are any women who get pregnant

0:45:250:45:29

-to get a council house?

-It would be a very small minority.

0:45:290:45:32

There's no way you would get pregnant

0:45:320:45:36

to have a council maisonette.

0:45:360:45:38

'I want to understand what was going on in the '90s.'

0:45:410:45:45

-Hi, Jamelia.

-Lovely to see you, come on in.

0:45:460:45:48

'So I'm off to meet journalist Julia Hartley Brewer

0:45:480:45:50

'who has written about some of the issues in the newspapers.'

0:45:500:45:54

I'd love to know where it kind of came from.

0:45:540:45:58

Was it the politicians, was it the media,

0:45:580:46:00

did the media just make it up or...?

0:46:000:46:02

What the government and I think the media were reacting to, and the public at large,

0:46:020:46:06

was the evidence before their eyes, the anecdotal and statistical evidence that was backing it up.

0:46:060:46:11

Unfortunately, it is the case, whether you like it or not

0:46:110:46:14

that a child who comes from a single-parent family regardless of their income,

0:46:140:46:18

regardless of whether they're middle class and educated as opposed to a two-parent family is more likely,

0:46:180:46:23

by a LONG way, to turn to crime, more likely to use drugs, have an alcohol problem,

0:46:230:46:27

less likely to be in full-time employment, more likely to have a teen pregnancy

0:46:270:46:32

and to do badly in school. The statistics on average are not good.

0:46:320:46:36

Well, did the government want to get it into people's heads that

0:46:360:46:40

-being a single mum is bad for your children?

-It's, you know...

0:46:400:46:44

I think the idea was not to say it's bad, but to say it's not desirable.

0:46:440:46:47

We did have a benefits system, which is now changing, where

0:46:470:46:50

there were perverse incentives where a woman who was single

0:46:500:46:53

would be better off than if she stayed with the guy or if she moved

0:46:530:46:57

in with a new guy. We were discouraging, by only a couple

0:46:570:47:00

of grand a year, which for a lot of families is a huge percentage

0:47:000:47:03

of their income, and stopping people from setting up new family units.

0:47:030:47:07

It's all about really just trying to, well, encourage

0:47:070:47:11

the family unit, but not to penalise single mums at the same time.

0:47:110:47:15

That's a very difficult balance. It's not a balance the media, I admit, has got very well.

0:47:150:47:19

We do like a bogey man, someone to blame

0:47:190:47:21

and single mums for a long time have been an easy target.

0:47:210:47:24

Through someone's lifestyle choice, if you want to call it that, there's a massive effect

0:47:240:47:29

on the economy, on the taxes, on other people.

0:47:290:47:31

Other people's lifestyles are affected by your lifestyle choice.

0:47:310:47:35

I do believe that being a single mother is never

0:47:350:47:38

a choice, it's never something that... It's very rare that someone

0:47:380:47:42

has set out and said, "I'm going do this on my own."

0:47:420:47:45

There are some women for whom there is a choice

0:47:450:47:48

and for whom that is a financially sensible choice in terms

0:47:480:47:52

of getting on the housing. Yeah, in terms of getting council housing,

0:47:520:47:55

in terms of making a living, because they're never going to work or get a home of their own otherwise.

0:47:550:48:01

I find that that picture of a single mother is the one that is painted

0:48:010:48:04

to represent all single mothers, and I mean, that surely is unfair,

0:48:040:48:10

particularly because most of us

0:48:100:48:12

don't want to be in that bracket and are not in that bracket,

0:48:120:48:16

but media-wise, they were the ones that were chosen

0:48:160:48:20

to represent all single mothers, and is that intentional?

0:48:200:48:23

I don't think it's been intentional, but it has been a caricaturing of single mums.

0:48:230:48:27

You think pram face, you know the image I'm talking about. You know?

0:48:270:48:31

Look, no-one wants to be in that situation,

0:48:310:48:33

no-one rational will choose that situation. I don't know any single mums who would not rather be

0:48:330:48:38

either in a happy marriage with a guy with whom they had their child or with somebody else,

0:48:380:48:43

so why are we pretending that this is a positive lifestyle choice? It's not.

0:48:430:48:47

It's not a bad one, but it's not the best one, so why don't we encourage people for the best one?

0:48:470:48:52

I hear that, but at the same time, I think that this is...

0:48:520:48:55

Would you think it was fair to say that this is part

0:48:550:48:58

of the reason why single mothers of today feel this stigma and feel...

0:48:580:49:03

Even me as a single mother myself, because of things like this

0:49:030:49:07

I can't help but question,

0:49:070:49:08

"Am I doing the right thing by my children?"

0:49:080:49:11

In an ideal world, you would probably...

0:49:110:49:14

As great a mum as you are and for all the good reasons you had for getting out

0:49:140:49:17

of your relationship, you'd rather be in a happy, loving one

0:49:170:49:20

with somebody to help you look after your kids, and your kids would prefer that.

0:49:200:49:24

So lets stop pretending that that isn't what we're all after.

0:49:240:49:28

'I know that Julia is only saying what a lot of people think,

0:49:280:49:32

'and she's right, I WOULD rather be bringing up my kids

0:49:320:49:35

'with a partner, but for me that's just not a reality'

0:49:350:49:39

I refuse to believe that I've made the wrong choice with

0:49:390:49:42

where my children are concerned and I don't know a single mum who

0:49:420:49:46

was in a positive relationship and decided to leave. It wasn't

0:49:460:49:50

that situation, most of us didn't want to be single mums, most of us

0:49:500:49:53

don't want to be without the partner, but circumstances

0:49:530:49:57

have led us to this place. Now don't tell us that we're all doomed!

0:49:570:50:02

I refuse to believe that, I really do,

0:50:020:50:04

and it's really upsetting. For someone to basically tell me

0:50:040:50:07

it's pointless, if you ain't got man in the house it's pointless,

0:50:070:50:12

it's extremely offensive, it really is, and more upsetting

0:50:120:50:16

than offensive because, you know, I don't want to think

0:50:160:50:21

that my kids will be nothing, just because of choices

0:50:210:50:25

that I have made. Sorry.

0:50:250:50:28

It's really, really, really hard to even think of.

0:50:290:50:33

I want to feel as if my kids have got the same chance as anybody else's.

0:50:340:50:38

It's becoming clear why I don't feel proud to be a single mum.

0:50:440:50:47

In the Daily Mail, it says, "The collapse of family life,

0:50:490:50:52

"births outside marriage hit the highest level for two centuries.

0:50:520:50:57

"Some 46% of children are born to unmarried mothers,

0:50:570:51:00

"according to research by the Centre for Social Justice.

0:51:000:51:05

"The think tank said a child growing up in a one-parent family,

0:51:050:51:08

"is 75% more likely to fail at school, 70% more likely

0:51:080:51:14

"to become a drug addict, and 50% more likely to have an alcohol problem."

0:51:140:51:19

It's because of things like this why single mothers

0:51:200:51:23

can feel sometimes a bit bogged down,

0:51:230:51:27

with society's views.

0:51:270:51:29

With other people, having pre-conceptions and coming up with

0:51:290:51:33

their own opinions and prejudices, because they're fed crap like this.

0:51:330:51:38

You know, they're...

0:51:380:51:39

I think it definitely affects how we're looked at

0:51:390:51:43

and I feel that as a single mother myself,

0:51:430:51:46

this is part of the reason why I fight so hard, why I try so hard,

0:51:460:51:51

and why it's so important for me...

0:51:510:51:54

..to show people I can do it, and...

0:51:550:51:59

to do more than the average, you know, to do more than possibly a married mother would do,

0:51:590:52:05

because I feel I've got much more to prove.

0:52:050:52:07

If I'm honest, this is my deepest, darkest fear -

0:52:070:52:11

that somehow no matter what I do, my kids will be damaged in some way.

0:52:110:52:17

And I'm not imagining it

0:52:170:52:18

because here are the statistics in black and white in the paper.

0:52:180:52:22

So what IS the truth?

0:52:220:52:24

I'm off to Cambridge University to meet the most qualified expert I can find.

0:52:240:52:29

He's Professor Lamb, head of the Department of Social and Developmental Psychology.

0:52:300:52:36

He's spent 30 years studying what happens to children brought up

0:52:360:52:40

in single-parent families.

0:52:400:52:42

Perhaps he can tell me what these statistics mean and whether we are really to blame.

0:52:420:52:46

So this is an article that was in The Daily Mail,

0:52:460:52:49

and basically says that a child growing up in a one-parent family is 75% more likely

0:52:490:52:54

to fail at school, 70% more likely to become a drug addict,

0:52:540:52:59

and 50% more likely to have an alcohol problem.

0:52:590:53:02

When I read this, I literally picked up the newspaper

0:53:020:53:06

and I saw it and I was literally horrified,

0:53:060:53:08

as a single parent, I was just thinking,

0:53:080:53:10

"Oh, my gosh, my children are finished."

0:53:100:53:13

Right, and I think of course that that's part of the message

0:53:130:53:18

that people are meant to get, when they read these stories.

0:53:180:53:22

But it does involve...

0:53:220:53:25

presenting the statistics in the way

0:53:250:53:28

that makes them seem most scary.

0:53:280:53:32

In most studies, you find that somewhere around 15%

0:53:320:53:36

of the children in two-parent families,

0:53:360:53:40

show some sign of mal adjustment.

0:53:400:53:42

If you look at a group of children in single-parent families,

0:53:420:53:47

you find 25 to 30%. What this means is that

0:53:470:53:51

the majority of children in both these groups are absolutely fine.

0:53:510:53:57

So here you have 85%,

0:53:570:54:00

in the other group you have 75%,

0:54:000:54:02

now they don't look quite so different when you look at these statistics.

0:54:020:54:07

At the positive side of it, yeah.

0:54:070:54:10

What this means is that the problem isn't the single parent

0:54:100:54:13

because the majority of the children in the single-parent families

0:54:130:54:17

are doing just fine.

0:54:170:54:19

I like to think in terms of three types of factors

0:54:190:54:22

that help explain it.

0:54:220:54:24

So the first of those have to do with the children's relationships

0:54:240:54:28

-with their parents.

-OK.

0:54:280:54:30

Second factor is the amount of conflict

0:54:300:54:34

that the parents are engaged in.

0:54:340:54:36

-We have lots of evidence that conflict isn't good for children.

-Of course.

0:54:360:54:41

And then the third factor has to do with the social and economic circumstances.

0:54:410:54:47

For as long as I've been around,

0:54:470:54:50

the single most economically disadvantaged groups

0:54:500:54:54

have been single mothers.

0:54:540:54:56

So it's not the fact that you are a single mother, it's the fact

0:54:560:54:59

that you're a single mother possibly facing one of these struggles.

0:54:590:55:04

Which MAY make it more difficult for your children, but in most cases,

0:55:040:55:09

most single mothers are raising their children as well as most,

0:55:090:55:16

two-parent, or married mothers, or cohabiting mothers.

0:55:160:55:21

So it is important to remember that actually

0:55:210:55:25

the majority of kids, the majority of families do fine.

0:55:250:55:29

Yeah. It's good to know, that is!

0:55:300:55:33

'My visit to the professor feels like a weight off my shoulders.

0:55:390:55:44

'When I started this film, I felt ashamed to be a single mum.

0:55:440:55:48

'It's like the club that no-one wants to join.

0:55:480:55:51

'What I've learned is that although circumstances might have

0:55:510:55:55

'changed dramatically over the years, we don't have to go to workhouses,

0:55:550:56:00

'we don't have to give up our babies for adoption, or hide our kids away.

0:56:000:56:04

'There is a stigma that has never completely gone away.'

0:56:040:56:09

I feel really privileged to have met women who are willing to kind of

0:56:090:56:12

put aside that shame and speak to me and share their stories with me.

0:56:120:56:16

It really helped me, it helped me understand,

0:56:160:56:19

and also to get rid of some of my own shame.

0:56:190:56:23

I feel that...

0:56:240:56:25

..yeah, it's not the ideal situation,

0:56:270:56:30

it's not the best situation in the world,

0:56:300:56:32

but what single mothers deserve more than anything is respect.

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