George Mitchell: My Journey's End


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In late 1994, my life was about to change,

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in ways I had never imagined.

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I'm Senator George Mitchell.

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After a long career in law, and then another in politics...

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'I want to tell you, winning is a hell of a lot better!'

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..I was about to settle down to a life out of the public eye.

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But a friend of mine had other ideas and he could be very persuasive.

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I thought he needed something to do to keep him in public life.

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He was one of the most gifted people I ever knew.

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I suppose I was unwittingly dishonest with him

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because I said, look, George, this is not like the Supreme Court

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or the Senate, it's just a part-time job!

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That part-time job became the most demanding role of my life.

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Initially I served as President Clinton's envoy to Northern Ireland.

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Ceasefires had been announced, but there was little sign of peace.

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Then in 1996, the British and Irish governments

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asked me to chair peace negotiations.

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It wasn't difficult to say yes, but my appointment caused a problem

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for some of those already at the table.

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I never thought that Ulster would be sold as it was sold tonight.

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I am certainly questioning his political background

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as an envoy of the United States President.

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The talks continued for two years.

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At times I thought we would never reach agreement.

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I want to emphasise to you, this is not a matter of time.

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We've been at this for two years.

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It could be discussed for another two years or for another 20 years.

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In 1997, when my wife gave birth to our son, Andrew,

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back home in New York,

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I did consider leaving Northern Ireland for good.

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But I stuck with it

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and finally we managed to get the Good Friday Agreement.

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Northern Ireland today has the promise of a springtime of peace.

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I was overcome with emotion

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and before I left Belfast, I made a promise.

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One day, I would return with my son, Andrew.

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We would sit in the visitors' gallery,

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watching the Northern Ireland assembly debate.

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Today, I am back in Northern Ireland to honour that commitment.

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Over the next four days, we're going to find out

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how Northern Ireland has changed since 1998.

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Andrew and I will visit families with whom we share a special bond.

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Did the Good Friday Agreement change their lives or not?

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I know the people of Northern Ireland live in more peaceful times,

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but has there been the reconciliation I hoped for

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back in 1998?

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Andrew and I are about to find out.

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# I'll take Manhattan

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# The Bronx and Staten Island, too... #

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See if you can find Belfast.

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'At our home in Manhattan,

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'my family and I are preparing for our trip to Northern Ireland.

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'It's a journey I made many times during the peace talks,

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'but this visit will be different.'

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Well, this was the trip that he talked about early on

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when Andrew was an infant.

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One day I would like to go back with my young son.

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The thought at that time, with an infant,

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foreshadowing and looking in the future,

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we didn't know then that this day would come

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where they would really be peace in Northern Ireland

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and that he would be able to go back with his son as a teenager.

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So I think it's a very exciting trip.

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In fact, it's almost unbelievable

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because there were many, many times when I wondered

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if an agreement would ever be reached.

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When I returned home to New York for Andrew's birth in 1997,

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I wasn't sure I'd ever go back to Northern Ireland.

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There was always someone missing, someone protesting,

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someone walked out,

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someone expelled,

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someone suspended,

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someone came back, someone else left.

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It was trying to keep it together

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in a way that seemed impossible at the time.

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So when the two Unionist parties walked out on Sinn Fein's entrance,

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we encountered what was another problem that we hadn't had before

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and we had to try to figure it out.

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That was very difficult.

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And it was in that context that I returned to the United States,

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in the middle of October, 1997, to be present at Andrew's birth.

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He was there for the birth,

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which was obviously a very, very happy, happy moment.

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But he did come home discouraged.

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And discouraged at the point in the process,

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and talked about perhaps maybe this is not going anywhere.

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Maybe this is the time to, for me to just throw in the towel.

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I recall clearly Andrew was born October 16th, 1997.

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And as I held him on that first day,

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I was, in my mind,

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always thinking about this internal conflict I had,

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and I began to wonder about how many children

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were born in Northern Ireland on this day.

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From the corridor in the hospital,

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I made a call to my assistant in Belfast to find out.

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The answer was 61.

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It just stuck with me -

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somewhere in Northern Ireland there are 61 boys and girls,

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and I'm certain that each of them has parents

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who have the same hopes and dreams that Heather and I do.

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He was determined

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not to shortchange being a husband, being a father. Doing it right.

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So it was a difficult thing for him.

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I think in the end...

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..the prospect that we might well

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have a lasting peace was so overwhelming

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and he realised that events

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had conspired to put him in a unique position

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where both sides trusted him, at least enough

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to manage this whole complex process.

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And he had skills in doing so that no other available person had.

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I think he decided to stick it out and it was the right decision

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and the right decision for his son.

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And for the world that his son would live in.

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Six months later, the Good Friday Agreement was reached

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and I took my wife and baby son to Northern Ireland

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to mark the occasion.

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I had, however, already made a promise to myself

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that one day I would bring him back.

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Andrew is now 14 years old

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and as part of the trip he'll meet with some of those 61 children

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who were born on the same day as him.

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It's a chance to meet their families and to compare lives with them.

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You know, it's interesting

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and at some points unbelievable,

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to think that there are 61 children born the same day as he is.

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The exact same day. It's kind of a fun thing to think about.

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-Do you enjoy school?

-Yeah. I like it, yeah.

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Do you feel you have to say that because Mum and Dad are listening?

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No. I like school.

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-He is class president now.

-Yeah.

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-Very good.

-For this term. There are three different terms.

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What does the class President have to do?

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Well, it's basically what happens is there's a class president,

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each class elects a person

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And there's a meeting with the class

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and the class says we want this, or this needs to be fixed.

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And then we - the class presidents -

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meet with the headmaster and we will tell him

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and he'll write it down and then,

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theoretically, you know, fix or do the stuff.

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Most of it has to do with food and lunch period.

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Politics runs in the family.

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Well, I was never elected class president at that age.

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-So I'd say he's quite a bit ahead of me already.

-HEATHER:

-Yeah.

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And will you be seeking re-election?

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No you can't. You can only do one term.

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Well, I'm looking forward to going to Ireland and Northern Ireland,

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and sort of seeing where my dad was for all those years

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when I was a little baby.

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I think it'll be interesting to see all the people who where born on the same exact day as I was.

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And see how their lives are different from mine.

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I want my son to see and learn about Northern Ireland.

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Because Northern Ireland means so much to me

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and my son means so much to me that I want the two of them to be acquainted.

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It's the first day of the trip.

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Andrew and I begin with a taxi tour of west Belfast.

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I'm going to meet an old friend

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who represented the loyalist para- militaries during the peace talks.

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-Are you Andrew? Please to meet you, Andrew.

-Nice to meet you.

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-Hello, Plum.

-Hello, Senator.

-How are you?

-How you doin'?

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-Good to see you.

-Long time!

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-You look really good.

-You think so?

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-You've lost a lot of weight.

-Oh, yes, well, I'm a diabetic, so...

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You look very good.

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'Plum Smith works with former prisoners from both sides of the community here.

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'He's also involved in telling tourists about the area's political and cultural history.

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'Ironically, the peace wall is now an attraction.

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'The wall is adorned with graffiti and personal messages

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'left by the thousands of tourists who come to see it.'

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Most of the messages are positive.

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I see "Make love not war."

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As we leave our mark, we are joined by the man who formally announced

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an end to the IRA's campaign.

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He now works at a community level with Plum and other loyalists -

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for me it's a clear sign of how times have changed.

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My name is Seanna Walsh. I was an IRA prisoner at the time of the GFA

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and I was released as a result of the GFA.

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I currently work with coaiste

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which is the Irish Republican ex-prisoners association.

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And ourselves and Epic and some of the other groups

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are constantly involved in engagements -

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hopefully to break down some of the walls in peoples heads

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before we can tackle the walls that exist here on this part of the road.

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Seanna and myself have been working over the last couple of years with coaiste,

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making joint tours, joint seminars, joint discussions, etc.

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-Involved in a lot of projects.

-Great.

-That's the peace process.

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I think all of us can learn a lot from what you are doing.

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I'm delighted to see how some things have changed,

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but this peace wall shows how other things have stayed the same.

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On my first ever trip, in February 1995,

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I visited the peace wall in Belfast.

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It was one of the most depressing structures I've ever seen.

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Despite all the progress in Northern Ireland,

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its still surprising that there are now

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MORE so-called peace walls than there were in the 1990s.

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See the cages at the back of the homes?

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The way the homes are fortified. Still to this day.

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Because we're still not completely at the end game,

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but we are getting there.

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Andrew, what's your initial reaction when you see the cages and the wall?

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-I'm sure you've never seen that before.

-No.

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I've never really seen that.

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-Would you like to live like that?

-Not really.

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-What do you think the people feel?

-I can't even imagine.

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-It's a very depressing sight still, isn't it?

-It is. Yes, it is.

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And, of course, for someone who has never seen this,

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what is striking is the immediacy.

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This is right up against these houses.

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This wall goes right through the middle of an urban area.

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I think everyone's objective ought to be to reach the time when the wall is gone, the cages are gone,

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and neighbours are neighbours

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whichever side of the street they are on.

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In the meantime, we all have to do our best

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to make sure there's no sliding back into conflict.

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We're off to rural County Fermanagh.

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We're going to meet one of the families I had on my mind

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when Andrew was born 14 years ago.

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Hello, I'm Martin. We're the Robinson family.

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We live outside the village of Derrygonnelly in County Fermanagh.

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I'm Mary and I'm the mum.

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I'm Adrian. I'm Conor's brother.

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I'm Conor, I'm the youngest in the family and I was born on the 16th of October, 1997.

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The Robinson family has lived at their home outside the village of Derrygonnelly for 19 years.

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Mary, is a nurse at the local hospital in Enniskillen

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and Martin, originally from South Armagh, is on the farm.

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Their son Conor loves animals.

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When he's not at school,

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he spends his spare time with the pets the family keep on their land.

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-Hello.

-Hello, Senator Mitchell. You're very welcome to the Robinson household in Glenashaver.

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Such a privilege. I never thought I'd see the day Senator Mitchell would be in Glenashaver!

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Thank you. Very nice to be here.

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'The surroundings here are very different from Manhattan,

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'where we now live.

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'But the green fields do remind me of my home state of Maine.'

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..but also it's very nice here.

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Every one knows every one about here, and they're all friends,

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and help out everyone

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around their places and properties.

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In our school there's people that, like, every one knows, every one's friends with.

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There's nobody, like, we don't know.

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-You've a lot to show Andrew, haven't you?

-I have.

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Sure we'll go and look round the animals now, Andrew.

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-Have you got a pair of wellies?

-No, I didn't bring one.

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We'll get you kitted out with something to keep you clean.

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-Cos it's Fermanagh you're in!

-ALL LAUGH

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As Conor takes Andrew around the farm,

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I get to chat with his mother and father.

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Martin mentioned the Good Friday Agreement

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and I was wondering what changes that's made in your life

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and especially with relation to Conor and Adrian, your children.

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Yeah. Well, really, I suppose it has brought about a lot of change,

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because, you know, when we would've been growing up

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at the same age of Adrian and Conor,

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we were faced all the time with the security forces were on the road.

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We had permanent Army checkpoints,

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in fact, on this road between our house here and Derrygonnelly.

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There really wasn't a night that you went out on the road

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but you were stopped somewhere along the road,

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whereas that never really happens now.

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Are you confident now that this trouble is passed,

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is in the background now, and we will progress even to a brighter future?

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I think in human affairs nothing is certain.

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No, no. You never really can say for sure, but as much as one can tell,

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yes, I think that is the case.

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They're not fully grown yet.

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Have you ever experienced any problems or troubles here?

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No, never experienced it since your father done the...

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Since the peace process.

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I've heard mum and dad talk about problems and troubles there was

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but, like, I've never experienced any troubles or nothing like that.

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So it worked out successful in the end of your father's work, so it did.

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It's kind of weird to think that my dad was...not really...

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He doesn't really seem like that type of person to me because I'm his son.

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-That he did such great things.

-Yeah.

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It's hard to believe that me and you is the same day.

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Yeah, yeah. I've never met anyone with the same exact birthday.

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-You've more to meet in the next few days, have you?

-Yeah, I think so.

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MRS ROBINSON: It's all about money now.

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It's not about the Troubles now, it's about money.

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And even being a nurse myself, and working in the Health Service,

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it's all about saving the pounds, cutbacks, you know.

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-MR ROBINSON:

-I suppose we would be hoping that employment will become more widespread

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and that our children won't be stepping on a plane for America, Australia or wherever.

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It's really nice of you to permit us to come into your home,

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because I really wanted my son to meet Conor

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and to get a sense from him of what life is like for someone here.

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-MR ROBINSON:

-Given the success of the Good Friday Agreement,

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which has clearly made Northern Ireland a better place,

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Senator George Mitchell will be spoke about and talked about

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-for many years to come in Northern Ireland.

-Thank you.

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-MRS ROBINSON: Are yous ready for something to eat?

-I am.

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-A cup of tea, Andrew?

-Er, I'm OK.

-You're sure? Some juice?

-Yes, please.

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I liked it. Lots of animals and a nice area around here.

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MR ROBINSON: Does your life style compare?

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Yeah, it's a lot different!

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Strange having the same birth date, so it is. Same day.

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-MR ROBINSON:

-That's one thing you certainly have in common.

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-That'll never change.

-That'll never change.

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'That date will never change, but at the end of our first day,

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'I'm left in little doubt that Northern Ireland has.'

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It's a beautiful morning

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and Andrew and I are off to meet with another family.

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This time in County Down.

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Hello, we're the Best family. We're from Comber. I'm Peter.

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-I'm Heather.

-I'm Sarah.

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And I'm Alex and I was born the 16th of October, 1997.

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The Best family live in Comber - just outside Belfast.

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Peter is an architect and Heather is originally from County Donegal.

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They are a Christian family, much involved in their church.

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Over the past 14 years, since the birth of their son Alex,

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they, like the Robinson family in Fermanagh,

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have noticed huge changes in Northern Ireland.

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Alex goes to school at Campbell College

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and today he's taking Andrew on a tour.

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-Hello.

-Hi, Andrew. I'm Alex. Welcome to Campbell.

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How do you do? J Piggot, headmaster. Welcome.

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How does your school compare to this Victorian building?

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It's much smaller. It's six floors.

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-It's a modern building?

-One building. Yeah.

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-We'll shake hands here.

-All right.

-I hope it's a good afternoon.

-Thank you.

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While Andrew goes to school with Alex,

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my daughter Claire and I meet with Heather and Peter.

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-My name's Peter.

-Peter, very nice to meet you.

-My name's Heather.

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-A familiar name for us!

-So I hear!

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'For Peter, the Good Friday Agreement, made a very practical difference.'

0:23:140:23:19

-How old is Sarah?

-Sarah is seven.

0:23:190:23:22

The first time I ever voted was in the Good Friday Agreement.

0:23:220:23:26

And whenever I was thinking about this

0:23:260:23:29

the reason I didn't vote was because I couldn't see anything to vote for,

0:23:290:23:33

because it was all orange and green politics.

0:23:330:23:36

They were just arguing amongst themselves.

0:23:360:23:39

But now I would vote but what I would vote for people that... help me.

0:23:390:23:45

We, particularly in political life, make decisions based on

0:23:450:23:50

who's on the other side.

0:23:500:23:53

Instead of thinking about the idea - is it a good or a bad idea - in isolation?

0:23:530:23:57

You think, well, if he's for it and he's the opposition...

0:23:570:24:02

-I must be against it.

-I must be against it!

0:24:020:24:05

And that thought dominated political life in Northern Ireland for a very long time.

0:24:050:24:10

And I do think that is changing very much, now.

0:24:110:24:14

-So, your school is quite like this, but just...

-Yeah, much smaller.

0:24:150:24:19

It's a building. There's no outside grounds. It's, like, IN the city.

0:24:190:24:23

I just get on with normal everyday life.

0:24:240:24:26

It's basically making sure that we do the best for them.

0:24:260:24:30

Making sure we can pay our bills, making sure that we are well,

0:24:300:24:34

those are the issues that we look at now.

0:24:340:24:36

How do you feel, you know, basically the DUP is the major Unionist in government

0:24:410:24:47

-and they were against the agreement.

-Yes.

0:24:470:24:50

And there they are operating it, effectively.

0:24:500:24:54

Is there not a certain irony in that?

0:24:540:24:57

Well, life takes funny twists and turns, and that's one of them.

0:24:570:25:02

One of the realities of human history

0:25:020:25:06

is that often times revolutions take dramatic reversals

0:25:060:25:13

and people do change their minds.

0:25:130:25:17

And often those who make the initial sacrifice bear the cost.

0:25:170:25:24

You could say that life is unfair,

0:25:240:25:27

but it just happens in life that sometimes you don't get all the credit you should

0:25:270:25:34

for what you did and things don't turn out perfectly fairly in each individual person

0:25:340:25:42

or each individual party's score sheet.

0:25:420:25:45

But the important thing is whether society as a whole benefits.

0:25:450:25:49

'At school, Andrew is interested to see if life has changed for people of his age.'

0:25:490:25:57

Do you guys have many friends who are from different backgrounds?

0:25:580:26:02

I think we probably do but we don't ask, if that makes sense.

0:26:020:26:09

I mean, we wouldn't ask if someone is Catholic or Protestant.

0:26:090:26:12

That wouldn't influence it in any way.

0:26:120:26:15

We probably just don't know.

0:26:150:26:17

There isn't really much of a difference between Protestant and Catholic.

0:26:170:26:20

It isn't really brought up in conversation.

0:26:200:26:23

And if, say, one of my friends was Catholic, I wouldn't really be that bothered with that.

0:26:230:26:29

'While there seems to be a change in attitude among the younger generation,

0:26:290:26:32

'its clear that for their parents much has remained the same.'

0:26:320:26:39

We're not a less segregated society, we're a more open society,

0:26:390:26:42

but, you know, you still live in the same town

0:26:420:26:46

as your mother or your sisters or your brothers,

0:26:460:26:49

so whilst you might have taken the sectarian element out of it,

0:26:490:26:52

by virtue of the fact that this is where you've lived and this is where you want to live,

0:26:520:26:56

it takes a long time for the inertia to sort of break apart the two sides.

0:26:560:27:02

And, you know, Comber is, I'm guessing, but I would think it's more than 90% Protestant.

0:27:020:27:08

Not because Catholics aren't welcome,

0:27:080:27:10

it's just that's the way it is,

0:27:100:27:12

because historically that's the way it has been.

0:27:120:27:15

I think it does take a longer time.

0:27:150:27:18

I told a story yesterday of before I came here,

0:27:180:27:21

I spent quite a bit of time in the Balkans

0:27:210:27:24

when they were going through their troubles.

0:27:240:27:27

This young man, a mayor, was showing me around and I said to him,

0:27:270:27:30

"How long will it take, do you think, before Serbs and Croats can live side by side in peace here?"

0:27:300:27:38

And he addressed just the point that you did, that people lived in segregated areas

0:27:380:27:45

and you can't just wave a magic wand or expect all of a sudden

0:27:450:27:52

people are going to pack up and move into a different area.

0:27:520:27:55

He said it just takes a very long time, in which you first get the end conflict,

0:27:550:28:01

then you establish peace as a normality.

0:28:010:28:06

It's not an unusual thing, it's the normal thing.

0:28:060:28:10

Then you get genuine reconciliation. And he said over time they will integrate.

0:28:100:28:16

And I think the same thing is going to happen here.

0:28:160:28:18

BIRDSONG

0:28:180:28:20

And that's Stormont over there. See?

0:28:200:28:22

Yeah. My Dad worked there for a bit of time as you probably know.

0:28:220:28:27

So what did he actually do? I mean, I know he did something, but what he actually did is?

0:28:270:28:34

Yeah. Well, as you probably know,

0:28:340:28:37

the majority of the people in Northern Ireland are either Catholic or Protestant.

0:28:370:28:43

-Yeah.

-And as you probably know they had a little bit of conflict for a while.

0:28:430:28:48

-I would probably say a bit more than a little.

-Yeah.

0:28:480:28:51

So, yeah, he basically sat down with both sides

0:28:510:28:55

and it took five years but he figured it out.

0:28:550:28:58

And erm...that's pretty much what he did.

0:28:580:29:04

Yeah. It must have been quite difficult.

0:29:040:29:08

It probably was, it took five years, so... (LAUGHS) I can imagine.

0:29:080:29:14

True. I must say if I were him, I'd probably say, "I think I'll go home."

0:29:140:29:18

Well, I think, when we were born, he was going to, but he changed his mind and came back.

0:29:180:29:26

He could have stayed at home to look after you, but he decided to come over here to help me?

0:29:260:29:31

-Yeah. Exactly. (LAUGHS)

-Well, tell him thanks.

-Yeah.

0:29:310:29:35

The Northern Ireland Assembly has gone through many ups and downs.

0:29:420:29:46

For me, the opportunity to come back here

0:29:460:29:51

keeps the promise I made when Andrew was just a newborn baby.

0:29:510:29:55

What's it like to drive up here now, today?

0:29:550:29:59

It's a very pleasant memory. It wasn't always pleasant then, but it's very nice now!

0:29:590:30:05

There it is.

0:30:080:30:10

After an unsteady beginning, the Assembly has now reached a degree of stability.

0:30:100:30:18

The agenda for today's proceedings is very ordinary, exactly what I'd always hoped for.

0:30:180:30:25

Among the topics for discussion,

0:30:250:30:27

animal welfare and a report from a minister on a meeting he attended in Brussels.

0:30:270:30:34

Andrew and I take our seats in the visitors' gallery.

0:30:340:30:39

The focus was on good practice...

0:30:390:30:41

The low-key nature of the debate confirms that this really is democracy in action,

0:30:410:30:47

and it's fulfilling to see how the Assembly struggles with the day-to-day issues.

0:30:470:30:54

I'm delighted to be joined by Heather and Claire to share this occasion.

0:30:540:31:01

And by some old friends from the press corp. Hi, Ken.

0:31:010:31:04

Today is the day.

0:31:040:31:06

I had a really wonderful experience with my son sitting up in the gallery at the Assembly.

0:31:060:31:13

Some might regard it as boring... I personally regard it as very exciting.

0:31:130:31:19

Before we leave, the Speaker of the Assembly

0:31:190:31:23

invited Andrew and me to sign the visitor's book.

0:31:230:31:28

I said, "Mr Speaker, thank you for your hospitality and for all that you and the members of the Assembly

0:31:280:31:32

"do for the people of Northern Ireland. We love this place and the people here!"

0:31:320:31:37

-Thank you very much, Senator.

-Good luck to you.

0:31:370:31:40

-Thank you. And to you, Andrew. Thank you for coming along.

-I had a good time.

0:31:400:31:44

-Much appreciated. Thank you.

-OK, we're good.

0:31:440:31:48

It was good to see how my dad's ambition was achieved.

0:31:480:31:52

I think it was, and coming here, seeing this building

0:31:520:31:55

was definitely another aspect of this trip that was very enjoyable.

0:31:550:32:01

And in relation to your dad's ambition,

0:32:010:32:03

it's a nice moment for the two of you sitting up there just watching it.

0:32:030:32:08

-Did you feel that as well?

-Yeah. It was very peaceful in the chamber.

-It was.

0:32:080:32:13

But, yeah, I definitely did. He probably felt it more than I did, but it was definitely there.

0:32:130:32:21

-You were happy to share this experience with your dad?

-Yes, I was.

0:32:210:32:25

-Not as happy as his dad was to share it with him.

-I was pretty happy.

0:32:250:32:30

HE LAUGHS

0:32:300:32:32

-Who was Carson?

-Carson was a very famous Unionist leader

0:32:360:32:43

back in the early part of the 20th century.

0:32:430:32:47

He was the inspirational force for the Unionist movement for a long time.

0:32:470:32:53

There's a hotel right across the street and that's where I stayed.

0:32:530:32:58

And on the... We got the agreement on a Friday evening

0:32:580:33:04

and then on Saturday I left there to go back to the US

0:33:040:33:11

to take Andrew and Mommy for a walk in Central Park.

0:33:110:33:14

I'd promised Mommy I'd be home on Easter Sunday for a walk in Central Park.

0:33:140:33:19

And Andrew was then, I would say, about six months old.

0:33:190:33:25

Mummy had that little... carry thing, yeah.

0:33:250:33:29

So we went for a nice walk in Central Park and, this is a true story,

0:33:290:33:34

we were walking in Central Park and the very first person we came across

0:33:340:33:40

came up to me and said, "I'm from Northern Ireland."

0:33:400:33:44

-Yeah?

-Yeah. And she thanked me.

0:33:440:33:47

She said, "It's really wonderful to read about the news," and so forth.

0:33:470:33:51

In the middle of Manhattan.

0:33:510:33:53

The system of government here may not be perfect, but what system is?

0:33:570:34:01

The divisions are still clear, but that reflects the divisions that remain in the wider society.

0:34:010:34:08

The third day of our visit begins with a trip to a project that didn't exist when I first came to Belfast.

0:34:180:34:25

-The hulls are the same size as the Titanic would have been.

-Wow! That is really phenomenal.

0:34:250:34:31

The new Titanic Visitors Centre represents a very different Northern Ireland.

0:34:310:34:39

This is a symbol of what's been achieved.

0:34:390:34:41

But not everyone believes that all the change has been for the better.

0:34:430:34:49

Hi, we're the Stephenson's from County Down. I'm Dad, Ian. And this is my family.

0:34:500:34:54

-Hi. I'm Nicola.

-I'm Sophie.

-I'm Molly.

-Hi. I'm Emily.

-I'm Lucy.

0:34:540:35:00

And I was born on the 16th of October, 1997.

0:35:000:35:04

The Stephensons are from County Down.

0:35:040:35:08

Their four girls range in age from 9 to 18.

0:35:080:35:13

Ian is a serving police officer.

0:35:130:35:16

The continuing threat posed by dissident Republicans is a constant worry.

0:35:160:35:22

When Lucy was born they felt life did improve for a short time,

0:35:220:35:28

but in recent years the ongoing security threat has cast a shadow over their lives.

0:35:280:35:34

Lucy is a typical teenager who enjoys being with her friends.

0:35:340:35:40

She practices archery once a week,

0:35:400:35:43

and has taken Andrew, with her sisters, to the local leisure centre for a lesson.

0:35:430:35:48

-(I don't want this on video!)

-SHE LAUGHS

0:35:500:35:54

So we were born on the same day, the same year, but you have four more years of experience.

0:35:540:35:59

-And I'm a girl.

-Yeah.

0:35:590:36:02

Do your parents do archery?

0:36:020:36:05

Yeah. My mum and dad are into archery. They do it every weekend.

0:36:050:36:08

They would go out and shoot in the forests and stuff.

0:36:080:36:12

-Are they good?

-Yeah, they are.

0:36:120:36:16

They like to think they're good.

0:36:160:36:18

Yeah. That's kind of the similar to my dad.

0:36:180:36:23

So, what's life like in New York?

0:36:230:36:26

Erm... it's pretty cool.

0:36:260:36:29

There's' a lot of people, it's really busy, but I like it.

0:36:290:36:36

I'm sure it's pretty different from the countryside in Northern Ireland and stuff.

0:36:360:36:40

-Yeah.

-Do you get that in New York?

-Not really. You have to go out pretty far for that.

-Yeah.

0:36:400:36:46

-It's erm... Yeah. But I go to Maine in the summer and that's pretty nice.

-Yeah.

0:36:460:36:52

It's a little bit like here.

0:36:520:36:54

Tell me a little bit about your life here, what it's been like in the past few years.

0:36:540:36:59

I think probably from when Lucy was born there seemed to be relative peace in Northern Ireland in '97.

0:36:590:37:06

With the Good Friday Agreement, when it was signed, things did look to be better.

0:37:060:37:11

Certainly that's what the media was portraying, that Northern Ireland was a new place.

0:37:110:37:15

Everybody seemed to have been swept up in this wave of peace.

0:37:150:37:18

Yes. And then with Ian being in the police,

0:37:180:37:21

you always had that worry, "What if this all starts again?"

0:37:210:37:25

And I think over recent years, from the murder of Stephen Carol and Ronan Kerr,

0:37:250:37:30

since they have been killed, you just can't relax the way you used to relax, I don't feel.

0:37:300:37:36

You're always on your guard.

0:37:360:37:38

Our children would be very much aware they don't go out to the car unless it has been checked.

0:37:380:37:42

You check under your car every morning. My car and Ian's car.

0:37:420:37:46

So peace for us really isn't very peaceful here,

0:37:460:37:50

because you've got that threat always hanging over you.

0:37:500:37:55

But what people see is just what the media want them to see.

0:37:550:37:59

-They don't know most of what's going on behind the scenes.

-Yeah.

0:37:590:38:04

In the Police Service, is there greater integration there over time?

0:38:040:38:10

There's a lot more, yes. And it is actually good to see.

0:38:100:38:14

Have you ever had any troubles? Have you ever experienced that?

0:38:140:38:17

Not really, but you would hear on the radio

0:38:170:38:20

about soldiers and policemen being shot and bombs going off and stuff.

0:38:200:38:24

-Do you ever worry about your Dad?

-Yeah, sometimes. Whenever a policeman's been shot you think,

0:38:240:38:29

"That could have been my dad!" That sort of thing.

0:38:290:38:33

But, yeah...you do worry about it.

0:38:330:38:39

Of course not everyone was in favour of the Good Friday Agreement

0:38:390:38:42

and Nicola was one of those who found it difficult to accept.

0:38:420:38:47

It was a case for me of right and wrong, and how can you reward people who do wrong?

0:38:470:38:55

And I felt very much that's what the Good Friday Agreement did.

0:38:550:38:58

And how do I teach my children about right and wrong and then say, "Look who's running our country."

0:38:580:39:05

It's not people who have done right. To me, if my children do wrong, they're punished.

0:39:050:39:11

Not if they scream loud enough, they shout loud enough, I give in and give them what they want.

0:39:110:39:16

And that's in essence what I think happened in Northern Ireland.

0:39:160:39:20

People didn't behave in a very good way.

0:39:200:39:23

-They were put in prison for it.

-And they've been rewarded.

0:39:230:39:27

They let people out of prison.

0:39:270:39:29

Now, I'm very lucky because nobody very close to me was killed in the Troubles.

0:39:290:39:34

Ian's uncle was killed in the Troubles,

0:39:340:39:36

because he was a Protestant in the wrong place at the wrong time.

0:39:360:39:40

But how do you tell that to people that that's right, they are never going to see their loved ones again?

0:39:400:39:47

How do you say that's right to somebody?

0:39:470:39:50

Right, right.

0:39:500:39:51

I don't think you can explain it to anybody in a satisfactory way,

0:39:530:39:58

because I think loss is so personal

0:39:580:40:04

and grief is so natural and normal

0:40:040:40:08

that I don't think people can be, or should be asked

0:40:080:40:13

to forget and forgive individuals.

0:40:130:40:16

And I think the hope for the future will be,

0:40:170:40:20

that in future generations the numbers of people that have suffered personal loss

0:40:200:40:28

will be fewer in the next generation, fewer still in the generation beyond.

0:40:280:40:33

Hopefully, your daughters will never have to go through what you went through,

0:40:330:40:36

and their children won't have to go through.

0:40:360:40:39

And in time you can see a hope for genuine reconciliation.

0:40:390:40:44

I don't... I don't think that it's there yet

0:40:440:40:49

At archery, Andrew and Lucy are getting on well

0:40:510:40:55

and the conversation has turned to common interests, music and the internet.

0:40:550:41:00

THEY CHAT

0:41:000:41:03

It's not just Andrew and Lucy who have discovered they have some things in common.

0:41:030:41:09

And I really hope and pray that Lucy

0:41:090:41:11

ends up with the same kind of opportunities

0:41:110:41:14

that Andrew or the other children of the same age have.

0:41:140:41:18

It's a bit hard in your position and Andrew's position, how do they beat what Dad has done?

0:41:180:41:23

How do they live up to what Dad has contributed to not only America but to Northern Ireland,

0:41:230:41:29

the Middle East and all the jobs you have done over your long career. And it's still going.

0:41:290:41:35

I suppose he has a lot to live up to, Lucy doesn't have the same...

0:41:350:41:41

I have to be careful and patient with him in that respect.

0:41:410:41:45

Everybody's got to be his own man.

0:41:450:41:47

-Absolutely.

-Or woman. And do what he or she can do,

0:41:470:41:51

and not be bound by what the expectations are.

0:41:510:41:55

-So I try to be very respectful and not too bossy.

-THEY LAUGH

0:41:550:42:00

But it's very difficult, I know as a parent it's very difficult not to push them in certain directions

0:42:000:42:05

that you think would be the best thing for them

0:42:050:42:08

and what you perhaps were interested in, or maybe what you didn't do.

0:42:080:42:12

What would you like to see Andrew doing when he grows up?

0:42:120:42:15

Would you like to see him going into politics?

0:42:150:42:17

Really, I don't care.

0:42:170:42:20

I don't think he'll want to get into politics, because having seen it,

0:42:200:42:26

some of it's tough, particularly the separation from family is very hard.

0:42:260:42:30

And I was talking to Heather about it just last week,

0:42:300:42:34

all we want to do is to get him to the point

0:42:340:42:37

where he has the intelligence and the judgment and the maturity to make a good choice of his own.

0:42:370:42:42

-Yes, absolutely.

-So I try not to push him at all in any direction.

0:42:420:42:48

But as long as you feel like you're doing something that you like

0:42:480:42:52

and working successfully, that's really all I care about for him.

0:42:520:42:57

As with the other families, the Stephensons were frank and honest in their opinions.

0:43:010:43:07

In some ways they are very different from those of the other families I've met on this trip,

0:43:070:43:13

but as parents we all share a lot in common.

0:43:130:43:16

BIRDSONG

0:43:190:43:20

It's our final day in Northern Ireland.

0:43:220:43:25

I want to bring my son to my old office at Castle Buildings,

0:43:250:43:29

where I spent so much of my time during the peace negotiations.

0:43:290:43:34

I haven't been there since the day we got the agreement.

0:43:340:43:37

On the journey, I tell Andrew about some of the problems during the talks.

0:43:370:43:43

What I had anticipated would take just a few days, agreeing on a simple set of rules,

0:43:430:43:48

ended up taking months.

0:43:480:43:51

And it was...

0:43:510:43:54

a very painful and painstaking and argumentative process.

0:43:540:44:00

That was a very long...description of the buildings.

0:44:000:44:04

Andrew's been rather consistently critically

0:44:040:44:10

commenting on the lengths of my answers,

0:44:100:44:12

especially when we're outside.

0:44:120:44:16

He said to me the other day, he said,

0:44:160:44:20

"The next time you give one of these 18-minute answers,

0:44:200:44:23

"remember I'm standing out here in the cold next to you!"

0:44:230:44:25

HE LAUGHS

0:44:250:44:28

BIRDSONG

0:44:340:44:35

Good morning.

0:44:380:44:41

Oh, boy! This brings back memories.

0:44:480:44:51

-So, is this your old office?

-Er... right in here.

0:44:520:44:58

This was it here.

0:44:580:45:00

'This is the office where my staff and I

0:45:000:45:02

'discussed how to overcome the many problems in the negotiations.

0:45:020:45:06

'It's also where I updated President Clinton on progress.'

0:45:070:45:10

My desk was over in that corner.

0:45:110:45:13

All great negotiators are able to always put themselves in your shoes

0:45:130:45:18

at a second's notice.

0:45:180:45:21

Because they can't seem to be getting you to do what they want you to do,

0:45:210:45:27

they had to get you to believe that it's in your interests

0:45:270:45:31

and that of the people you represent and care about

0:45:310:45:33

and the future you dream of for your children to do these things.

0:45:330:45:36

Mitchell is a genius at that.

0:45:360:45:40

There were many times I thought that we couldn't possibly succeed.

0:45:400:45:44

It was so difficult.

0:45:440:45:46

It's hard even for me to visualise in retrospect

0:45:460:45:52

listening to the same arguments for two years.

0:45:520:45:56

Two years is a very long time to hear the same people

0:45:560:46:01

say the same thing over and over and over again.

0:46:010:46:06

Just down the corridor is the room in which the agreement was announced.

0:46:080:46:12

Some old news reports help bring back the memories.

0:46:120:46:16

Our political editor Stephen Grimason. Stephen, anything new in the last 20 minutes?

0:46:160:46:20

-This is it. This is the agreement.

-You have it in your hand?

0:46:200:46:23

I have it in my hand. 67 pages.

0:46:230:46:26

-It's grown by two.

-Yeah, it's grown by two.

0:46:260:46:29

It's probably to do with the way they have re-ordered the sections,

0:46:290:46:33

but this is what they'll be signing up to in the plenary later this afternoon.

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I say to you from the bottom of my heart,

0:46:370:46:40

I have that bitter-sweet feeling, that comes in life,

0:46:400:46:45

I'm dying to leave...

0:46:450:46:48

LAUGHTER

0:46:480:46:50

..but I hate to go.

0:46:500:46:53

This has been a truly remarkable experience for me

0:46:530:46:57

and while I've engaged in many important public policy matters,

0:46:570:47:03

I can say to you that never have I felt the sense of gratification

0:47:030:47:10

and responsibility and gratitude that I feel today.

0:47:100:47:16

I think that on this important day, we should all offer our very deep thanks to our three chairman

0:47:160:47:23

who have played such a pivotal role in these talks.

0:47:230:47:27

We owe an enormous debt of gratitude to Senator Mitchell,

0:47:270:47:30

to Prime Minister Holkeri and to General de Chastelain,

0:47:300:47:34

as indeed do all the people of Northern Ireland and Ireland as a whole.

0:47:340:47:39

I must join with those, George, who have thanked you and John and Harry

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for your tremendous patience over the time, particularly in the last few days.

0:47:450:47:50

And I hope and pray that the action we've taken today

0:47:500:47:54

gives everyone here, especially the children,

0:47:540:47:57

the opportunity to enjoy the kind of life

0:47:570:48:01

that I want for my new young son.

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APPLAUSE

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It was one of the most meaningful days of my life,

0:48:090:48:14

and I could not have foreseen that...

0:48:140:48:19

14 years later,

0:48:190:48:22

I'd be back here in the same room, in the same place,

0:48:220:48:28

with my son reminiscing about and talking about those days.

0:48:280:48:35

Andrew, when you watch that video footage there,

0:48:360:48:40

listening to everybody heaping praise on your father... what's that like?

0:48:400:48:45

Erm... it's a very good feeling.

0:48:450:48:48

Erm... yeah.

0:48:480:48:51

-Are you proud of him?

-Yeah, I am.

0:48:510:48:54

-You did a good job.

-LAUGHS

0:48:540:48:58

-I did the best job with you.

-Yeah.

0:48:580:49:02

HE LAUGHS

0:49:020:49:04

It's still the symbol of what is best in us.

0:49:060:49:09

And I'm very proud, since my mother's people are all from Northern Ireland, that I was a part of it.

0:49:090:49:15

I'm very proud that I... persuaded George Mitchell to take that part-time job.

0:49:150:49:22

And I'm very proud that he decided to honour his young son

0:49:220:49:26

by giving the sons and daughters of Ireland a brighter future.

0:49:260:49:29

I'm very... profoundly grateful for having had the opportunity

0:49:330:49:38

to serve in Northern Ireland.

0:49:380:49:40

And I'm also grateful that I now have this opportunity to come back and remember it

0:49:420:49:47

and in a sense relive it in the presence of my son,

0:49:470:49:50

who now understands what I was doing and why I wasn't home.

0:49:500:49:55

And... I think it's important for everyone

0:49:550:49:59

to have some important cause in their life,

0:49:590:50:04

larger than their self-interest.

0:50:040:50:07

Because it adds depth and fulfilment to any human life.

0:50:070:50:12

And so, for me, the opportunity to serve in Northern Ireland played that role.

0:50:120:50:17

But back in 1998,

0:50:240:50:26

just when I thought that my time in Northern Ireland was over,

0:50:260:50:30

I abruptly learned it wasn't.

0:50:300:50:34

The Omagh bomb came just four months after the signing of the agreement.

0:50:340:50:39

When I heard the news, I felt that the whole peace process

0:50:390:50:43

and everything that we had achieved was at serious risk.

0:50:430:50:48

With President Clinton, I went to Omagh.

0:50:500:50:53

And today, just when I think this trip with my son is complete, it turns out it isn't.

0:50:530:51:01

Just like 14 years ago, my journey in Northern Ireland takes me to Omagh

0:51:010:51:05

to a surprise meeting.

0:51:050:51:08

That's right, you won't tell me so I'm not going to ask.

0:51:100:51:13

Do you have any idea?

0:51:130:51:16

Oh, I have several different ideas,

0:51:170:51:20

but I thought it would be best to wait and...genuinely be surprised.

0:51:200:51:27

I've spoken about Northern Ireland all around the world.

0:51:270:51:32

Each time I talk about the impact on me of the Omagh bomb and the bravery of the survivors,

0:51:320:51:39

I always mention Claire Gallagher, the 15 year-old

0:51:390:51:44

who lost her sight in the attack.

0:51:440:51:46

For me, she is an simply an inspiration.

0:51:460:51:51

In fact, when President Obama asked me to serve as his Peace Envoy to the Middle East,

0:51:510:51:57

I thought about Claire among others.

0:51:570:52:01

14 years after the Omagh bomb, she's now married with children of her own.

0:52:010:52:07

It was very humbling in a way.

0:52:070:52:10

I suppose I would never think of people like the Senator

0:52:100:52:14

thinking of me in their day to day life.

0:52:140:52:17

I was just a teenage girl from Omagh caught up in the wrong place at the wrong time

0:52:190:52:25

and have just got on with things and live very much a normal life now

0:52:250:52:28

and sort of stay away from a lot of the media attention and things like that.

0:52:280:52:33

So I suppose I just never considered that someone like the Senator would remember me

0:52:330:52:37

and would continue to remember me.

0:52:370:52:40

-Hello, Claire.

-Hello, Senator. You're very welcome.

0:52:440:52:48

-How have you been?

-Fine thanks. Good.

0:52:480:52:50

-It's very nice, very wonderful to see you again.

-You, too.

0:52:500:52:55

-This is my son, Andrew.

-Pleased to meet you.

-He's 14.

0:52:550:53:00

-I told him he's just a little younger than you were at the time we met.

-Yeah.

0:53:000:53:05

I was...genuinely inspired

0:53:050:53:09

by what I saw as Claire's courage

0:53:090:53:15

and determination...and spirit.

0:53:150:53:20

And so it enabled me to come back when the process collapsed yet again the following year.

0:53:200:53:28

And I have always kept Claire in my mind.

0:53:280:53:32

And I never did tell you this, but...

0:53:320:53:36

a few years later I had a daughter and we named her Claire.

0:53:360:53:40

So my son Andrew here is 14 and my daughter Claire is now 11.

0:53:400:53:46

So...I think of you a lot because I use your name every day a lot.

0:53:460:53:52

Sometimes a little yelling trying to get a little discipline,

0:53:520:53:58

but you've always been on my mind.

0:53:580:54:03

It's also good to see the people that were affected by what happened.

0:54:030:54:09

And that it's not all bad, you know, some of it's good.

0:54:090:54:13

And, of course, it's always nice to see good-looking guys like this.

0:54:130:54:19

'You can tell at times with people there's still a bit of anxiety

0:54:190:54:26

'about what happens in the North.

0:54:260:54:27

'And we do have security alerts at times and things like that,

0:54:270:54:31

'but, thankfully, they don't happen that often and it generally is a nice place.

0:54:310:54:37

'And it is improving.'

0:54:370:54:40

You still have the minority that will probably always be there,

0:54:400:54:45

but the majority of people are getting on well and getting on with their lives.

0:54:450:54:50

And I suppose a lot of the Troubles have been left in the past.

0:54:500:54:56

This was a surprise.

0:54:580:55:00

When I knew we were coming to Omagh just a few minutes ago,

0:55:000:55:04

I said to my son, "I only know two people in Omagh,

0:55:040:55:09

"so it has to be one of the two."

0:55:090:55:12

And I told him I thought it was very likely it was Claire,

0:55:120:55:15

because you have meant so much to me.

0:55:150:55:19

And I think to all the people of Northern Ireland and in other places

0:55:190:55:25

as an inspiration of courage and determination, integrity,

0:55:250:55:31

and really the kind of human spirit that everybody aspires to,

0:55:310:55:36

but not many of us actually achieve.

0:55:360:55:39

So it's a great, great pleasure for me to be here with you.

0:55:390:55:43

Well, it's lovely for me to be here as well. Thank you.

0:55:430:55:47

Meeting with Claire again and her family has capped off the trip of a lifetime for me and my family.

0:55:560:56:04

After talking with her and the other families,

0:56:040:56:08

one thing is clear above all others,

0:56:080:56:13

parents across the world want what's best for their children.

0:56:130:56:19

Before we left New York, Andrew was curious to see

0:56:190:56:23

how the lives of the children born of the same day as him

0:56:230:56:28

were different from his own life.

0:56:280:56:30

I think in many ways, many, many ways they are very, very similar.

0:56:300:56:36

You know, they all go to school,

0:56:360:56:39

they all do things for fun, whether that's archery or whatever.

0:56:390:56:44

You know, they both have two parents.

0:56:440:56:47

In some cases they live in different places, I don't live on a farm.

0:56:470:56:51

But...

0:56:510:56:53

I think the differences are

0:56:530:56:56

that they have to live with the separation of Protestants and Catholics,

0:56:560:57:02

and that's something I just don't have to live with.

0:57:020:57:05

And that's probably the biggest difference that...is meaningful.

0:57:050:57:10

Andrew's right, Northern Ireland's shared future is still some way off.

0:57:120:57:17

People do live apart, their children are schooled apart.

0:57:170:57:23

But there is peace.

0:57:230:57:25

There is hope.

0:57:250:57:26

And there is a confidence that wasn't here when I first arrived in Belfast.

0:57:260:57:31

Peace and reconciliation are important...

0:57:310:57:35

but they rarely occur simultaneously.

0:57:350:57:39

People shouldn't be disappointed or think of it as a failure

0:57:390:57:44

that there isn't full and genuine reconciliation yet.

0:57:440:57:49

It will come.

0:57:490:57:51

The important point is that peace is here

0:57:510:57:56

and that there can be a broadly shared prosperity and a broadly shared sense of community

0:57:560:58:01

by all the people of Northern Ireland.

0:58:010:58:04

The trip has been one of the most memorable of my life,

0:58:040:58:10

moving and informative.

0:58:100:58:11

I've seen former rival paramilitaries working side by side,

0:58:110:58:17

but I've seen the peace walls stand as tall as ever.

0:58:170:58:20

I've seen the Northern Ireland Assembly in action

0:58:200:58:23

and signs of the investment that I'd hoped for

0:58:230:58:27

but never imagined would occur in these economies.

0:58:270:58:31

But I've also seen how the peace process hasn't delivered for everyone.

0:58:310:58:36

The only thing I haven't seen during our trip is...rain!

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