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In late 1994, my life was about to change, | 0:00:16 | 0:00:20 | |
in ways I had never imagined. | 0:00:20 | 0:00:22 | |
I'm Senator George Mitchell. | 0:00:23 | 0:00:25 | |
After a long career in law, and then another in politics... | 0:00:27 | 0:00:32 | |
'I want to tell you, winning is a hell of a lot better!' | 0:00:32 | 0:00:35 | |
..I was about to settle down to a life out of the public eye. | 0:00:36 | 0:00:41 | |
But a friend of mine had other ideas and he could be very persuasive. | 0:00:41 | 0:00:46 | |
I thought he needed something to do to keep him in public life. | 0:00:48 | 0:00:50 | |
He was one of the most gifted people I ever knew. | 0:00:50 | 0:00:53 | |
I suppose I was unwittingly dishonest with him | 0:00:53 | 0:00:56 | |
because I said, look, George, this is not like the Supreme Court | 0:00:56 | 0:00:59 | |
or the Senate, it's just a part-time job! | 0:00:59 | 0:01:01 | |
That part-time job became the most demanding role of my life. | 0:01:02 | 0:01:05 | |
Initially I served as President Clinton's envoy to Northern Ireland. | 0:01:07 | 0:01:12 | |
Ceasefires had been announced, but there was little sign of peace. | 0:01:13 | 0:01:17 | |
Then in 1996, the British and Irish governments | 0:01:18 | 0:01:23 | |
asked me to chair peace negotiations. | 0:01:23 | 0:01:27 | |
It wasn't difficult to say yes, but my appointment caused a problem | 0:01:27 | 0:01:32 | |
for some of those already at the table. | 0:01:32 | 0:01:35 | |
I never thought that Ulster would be sold as it was sold tonight. | 0:01:35 | 0:01:39 | |
I am certainly questioning his political background | 0:01:39 | 0:01:43 | |
as an envoy of the United States President. | 0:01:43 | 0:01:48 | |
The talks continued for two years. | 0:01:48 | 0:01:50 | |
At times I thought we would never reach agreement. | 0:01:50 | 0:01:54 | |
I want to emphasise to you, this is not a matter of time. | 0:01:54 | 0:01:57 | |
We've been at this for two years. | 0:01:57 | 0:02:00 | |
It could be discussed for another two years or for another 20 years. | 0:02:00 | 0:02:04 | |
In 1997, when my wife gave birth to our son, Andrew, | 0:02:06 | 0:02:11 | |
back home in New York, | 0:02:11 | 0:02:12 | |
I did consider leaving Northern Ireland for good. | 0:02:12 | 0:02:16 | |
But I stuck with it | 0:02:16 | 0:02:18 | |
and finally we managed to get the Good Friday Agreement. | 0:02:18 | 0:02:22 | |
Northern Ireland today has the promise of a springtime of peace. | 0:02:23 | 0:02:27 | |
I was overcome with emotion | 0:02:28 | 0:02:30 | |
and before I left Belfast, I made a promise. | 0:02:30 | 0:02:35 | |
One day, I would return with my son, Andrew. | 0:02:35 | 0:02:38 | |
We would sit in the visitors' gallery, | 0:02:40 | 0:02:42 | |
watching the Northern Ireland assembly debate. | 0:02:42 | 0:02:45 | |
Today, I am back in Northern Ireland to honour that commitment. | 0:02:47 | 0:02:52 | |
Over the next four days, we're going to find out | 0:02:53 | 0:02:58 | |
how Northern Ireland has changed since 1998. | 0:02:58 | 0:03:00 | |
Andrew and I will visit families with whom we share a special bond. | 0:03:02 | 0:03:07 | |
Did the Good Friday Agreement change their lives or not? | 0:03:07 | 0:03:12 | |
I know the people of Northern Ireland live in more peaceful times, | 0:03:15 | 0:03:19 | |
but has there been the reconciliation I hoped for | 0:03:19 | 0:03:22 | |
back in 1998? | 0:03:22 | 0:03:25 | |
Andrew and I are about to find out. | 0:03:25 | 0:03:29 | |
# I'll take Manhattan | 0:03:43 | 0:03:46 | |
# The Bronx and Staten Island, too... # | 0:03:49 | 0:03:53 | |
See if you can find Belfast. | 0:03:58 | 0:04:01 | |
'At our home in Manhattan, | 0:04:01 | 0:04:04 | |
'my family and I are preparing for our trip to Northern Ireland. | 0:04:04 | 0:04:08 | |
'It's a journey I made many times during the peace talks, | 0:04:10 | 0:04:13 | |
'but this visit will be different.' | 0:04:13 | 0:04:15 | |
Well, this was the trip that he talked about early on | 0:04:17 | 0:04:21 | |
when Andrew was an infant. | 0:04:21 | 0:04:22 | |
One day I would like to go back with my young son. | 0:04:22 | 0:04:26 | |
The thought at that time, with an infant, | 0:04:26 | 0:04:30 | |
foreshadowing and looking in the future, | 0:04:30 | 0:04:33 | |
we didn't know then that this day would come | 0:04:33 | 0:04:36 | |
where they would really be peace in Northern Ireland | 0:04:36 | 0:04:40 | |
and that he would be able to go back with his son as a teenager. | 0:04:40 | 0:04:43 | |
So I think it's a very exciting trip. | 0:04:43 | 0:04:47 | |
In fact, it's almost unbelievable | 0:04:48 | 0:04:51 | |
because there were many, many times when I wondered | 0:04:51 | 0:04:54 | |
if an agreement would ever be reached. | 0:04:54 | 0:04:56 | |
When I returned home to New York for Andrew's birth in 1997, | 0:04:56 | 0:05:02 | |
I wasn't sure I'd ever go back to Northern Ireland. | 0:05:02 | 0:05:04 | |
There was always someone missing, someone protesting, | 0:05:06 | 0:05:10 | |
someone walked out, | 0:05:10 | 0:05:11 | |
someone expelled, | 0:05:11 | 0:05:13 | |
someone suspended, | 0:05:13 | 0:05:15 | |
someone came back, someone else left. | 0:05:15 | 0:05:18 | |
It was trying to keep it together | 0:05:18 | 0:05:21 | |
in a way that seemed impossible at the time. | 0:05:21 | 0:05:25 | |
So when the two Unionist parties walked out on Sinn Fein's entrance, | 0:05:25 | 0:05:32 | |
we encountered what was another problem that we hadn't had before | 0:05:32 | 0:05:37 | |
and we had to try to figure it out. | 0:05:37 | 0:05:39 | |
That was very difficult. | 0:05:39 | 0:05:41 | |
And it was in that context that I returned to the United States, | 0:05:41 | 0:05:45 | |
in the middle of October, 1997, to be present at Andrew's birth. | 0:05:45 | 0:05:50 | |
He was there for the birth, | 0:05:53 | 0:05:55 | |
which was obviously a very, very happy, happy moment. | 0:05:55 | 0:06:01 | |
But he did come home discouraged. | 0:06:02 | 0:06:07 | |
And discouraged at the point in the process, | 0:06:07 | 0:06:11 | |
and talked about perhaps maybe this is not going anywhere. | 0:06:11 | 0:06:17 | |
Maybe this is the time to, for me to just throw in the towel. | 0:06:17 | 0:06:21 | |
I recall clearly Andrew was born October 16th, 1997. | 0:06:23 | 0:06:30 | |
And as I held him on that first day, | 0:06:31 | 0:06:35 | |
I was, in my mind, | 0:06:37 | 0:06:41 | |
always thinking about this internal conflict I had, | 0:06:41 | 0:06:47 | |
and I began to wonder about how many children | 0:06:47 | 0:06:51 | |
were born in Northern Ireland on this day. | 0:06:51 | 0:06:56 | |
From the corridor in the hospital, | 0:06:58 | 0:07:01 | |
I made a call to my assistant in Belfast to find out. | 0:07:01 | 0:07:05 | |
The answer was 61. | 0:07:05 | 0:07:07 | |
It just stuck with me - | 0:07:09 | 0:07:11 | |
somewhere in Northern Ireland there are 61 boys and girls, | 0:07:11 | 0:07:15 | |
and I'm certain that each of them has parents | 0:07:16 | 0:07:20 | |
who have the same hopes and dreams that Heather and I do. | 0:07:20 | 0:07:25 | |
He was determined | 0:07:29 | 0:07:31 | |
not to shortchange being a husband, being a father. Doing it right. | 0:07:31 | 0:07:37 | |
So it was a difficult thing for him. | 0:07:37 | 0:07:40 | |
I think in the end... | 0:07:42 | 0:07:44 | |
..the prospect that we might well | 0:07:46 | 0:07:48 | |
have a lasting peace was so overwhelming | 0:07:48 | 0:07:51 | |
and he realised that events | 0:07:51 | 0:07:53 | |
had conspired to put him in a unique position | 0:07:53 | 0:07:56 | |
where both sides trusted him, at least enough | 0:07:56 | 0:08:01 | |
to manage this whole complex process. | 0:08:01 | 0:08:04 | |
And he had skills in doing so that no other available person had. | 0:08:04 | 0:08:09 | |
I think he decided to stick it out and it was the right decision | 0:08:09 | 0:08:12 | |
and the right decision for his son. | 0:08:12 | 0:08:14 | |
And for the world that his son would live in. | 0:08:14 | 0:08:18 | |
Six months later, the Good Friday Agreement was reached | 0:08:18 | 0:08:22 | |
and I took my wife and baby son to Northern Ireland | 0:08:22 | 0:08:25 | |
to mark the occasion. | 0:08:25 | 0:08:28 | |
I had, however, already made a promise to myself | 0:08:28 | 0:08:31 | |
that one day I would bring him back. | 0:08:31 | 0:08:33 | |
Andrew is now 14 years old | 0:08:36 | 0:08:39 | |
and as part of the trip he'll meet with some of those 61 children | 0:08:39 | 0:08:44 | |
who were born on the same day as him. | 0:08:44 | 0:08:46 | |
It's a chance to meet their families and to compare lives with them. | 0:08:48 | 0:08:52 | |
You know, it's interesting | 0:08:54 | 0:08:58 | |
and at some points unbelievable, | 0:08:58 | 0:09:00 | |
to think that there are 61 children born the same day as he is. | 0:09:00 | 0:09:04 | |
The exact same day. It's kind of a fun thing to think about. | 0:09:04 | 0:09:11 | |
-Do you enjoy school? -Yeah. I like it, yeah. | 0:09:11 | 0:09:13 | |
Do you feel you have to say that because Mum and Dad are listening? | 0:09:13 | 0:09:16 | |
No. I like school. | 0:09:16 | 0:09:18 | |
-He is class president now. -Yeah. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:20 | |
-Very good. -For this term. There are three different terms. | 0:09:20 | 0:09:25 | |
What does the class President have to do? | 0:09:25 | 0:09:27 | |
Well, it's basically what happens is there's a class president, | 0:09:29 | 0:09:33 | |
each class elects a person | 0:09:33 | 0:09:36 | |
And there's a meeting with the class | 0:09:36 | 0:09:38 | |
and the class says we want this, or this needs to be fixed. | 0:09:38 | 0:09:43 | |
And then we - the class presidents - | 0:09:43 | 0:09:44 | |
meet with the headmaster and we will tell him | 0:09:44 | 0:09:47 | |
and he'll write it down and then, | 0:09:47 | 0:09:49 | |
theoretically, you know, fix or do the stuff. | 0:09:51 | 0:09:55 | |
Most of it has to do with food and lunch period. | 0:09:55 | 0:09:59 | |
Politics runs in the family. | 0:10:01 | 0:10:03 | |
Well, I was never elected class president at that age. | 0:10:03 | 0:10:07 | |
-So I'd say he's quite a bit ahead of me already. -HEATHER: -Yeah. | 0:10:07 | 0:10:12 | |
And will you be seeking re-election? | 0:10:12 | 0:10:15 | |
No you can't. You can only do one term. | 0:10:15 | 0:10:17 | |
Well, I'm looking forward to going to Ireland and Northern Ireland, | 0:10:21 | 0:10:25 | |
and sort of seeing where my dad was for all those years | 0:10:25 | 0:10:29 | |
when I was a little baby. | 0:10:29 | 0:10:30 | |
I think it'll be interesting to see all the people who where born on the same exact day as I was. | 0:10:34 | 0:10:40 | |
And see how their lives are different from mine. | 0:10:41 | 0:10:44 | |
I want my son to see and learn about Northern Ireland. | 0:10:49 | 0:10:52 | |
Because Northern Ireland means so much to me | 0:10:55 | 0:10:57 | |
and my son means so much to me that I want the two of them to be acquainted. | 0:10:57 | 0:11:00 | |
It's the first day of the trip. | 0:11:20 | 0:11:23 | |
Andrew and I begin with a taxi tour of west Belfast. | 0:11:23 | 0:11:26 | |
I'm going to meet an old friend | 0:11:27 | 0:11:29 | |
who represented the loyalist para- militaries during the peace talks. | 0:11:29 | 0:11:33 | |
-Are you Andrew? Please to meet you, Andrew. -Nice to meet you. | 0:11:35 | 0:11:38 | |
-Hello, Plum. -Hello, Senator. -How are you? -How you doin'? | 0:11:38 | 0:11:41 | |
-Good to see you. -Long time! | 0:11:41 | 0:11:43 | |
-You look really good. -You think so? | 0:11:43 | 0:11:45 | |
-You've lost a lot of weight. -Oh, yes, well, I'm a diabetic, so... | 0:11:45 | 0:11:50 | |
You look very good. | 0:11:50 | 0:11:51 | |
'Plum Smith works with former prisoners from both sides of the community here. | 0:11:51 | 0:11:58 | |
'He's also involved in telling tourists about the area's political and cultural history. | 0:11:58 | 0:12:03 | |
'Ironically, the peace wall is now an attraction. | 0:12:03 | 0:12:07 | |
'The wall is adorned with graffiti and personal messages | 0:12:08 | 0:12:12 | |
'left by the thousands of tourists who come to see it.' | 0:12:12 | 0:12:15 | |
Most of the messages are positive. | 0:12:16 | 0:12:18 | |
I see "Make love not war." | 0:12:18 | 0:12:21 | |
As we leave our mark, we are joined by the man who formally announced | 0:12:23 | 0:12:27 | |
an end to the IRA's campaign. | 0:12:27 | 0:12:31 | |
He now works at a community level with Plum and other loyalists - | 0:12:31 | 0:12:36 | |
for me it's a clear sign of how times have changed. | 0:12:36 | 0:12:40 | |
My name is Seanna Walsh. I was an IRA prisoner at the time of the GFA | 0:12:42 | 0:12:46 | |
and I was released as a result of the GFA. | 0:12:46 | 0:12:49 | |
I currently work with coaiste | 0:12:49 | 0:12:51 | |
which is the Irish Republican ex-prisoners association. | 0:12:51 | 0:12:55 | |
And ourselves and Epic and some of the other groups | 0:12:55 | 0:13:01 | |
are constantly involved in engagements - | 0:13:01 | 0:13:05 | |
hopefully to break down some of the walls in peoples heads | 0:13:05 | 0:13:07 | |
before we can tackle the walls that exist here on this part of the road. | 0:13:07 | 0:13:12 | |
Seanna and myself have been working over the last couple of years with coaiste, | 0:13:21 | 0:13:25 | |
making joint tours, joint seminars, joint discussions, etc. | 0:13:25 | 0:13:28 | |
-Involved in a lot of projects. -Great. -That's the peace process. | 0:13:28 | 0:13:33 | |
I think all of us can learn a lot from what you are doing. | 0:13:35 | 0:13:38 | |
I'm delighted to see how some things have changed, | 0:13:41 | 0:13:44 | |
but this peace wall shows how other things have stayed the same. | 0:13:44 | 0:13:49 | |
On my first ever trip, in February 1995, | 0:13:49 | 0:13:55 | |
I visited the peace wall in Belfast. | 0:13:55 | 0:13:58 | |
It was one of the most depressing structures I've ever seen. | 0:13:58 | 0:14:01 | |
Despite all the progress in Northern Ireland, | 0:14:02 | 0:14:05 | |
its still surprising that there are now | 0:14:05 | 0:14:08 | |
MORE so-called peace walls than there were in the 1990s. | 0:14:08 | 0:14:13 | |
See the cages at the back of the homes? | 0:14:13 | 0:14:15 | |
The way the homes are fortified. Still to this day. | 0:14:15 | 0:14:18 | |
Because we're still not completely at the end game, | 0:14:18 | 0:14:21 | |
but we are getting there. | 0:14:21 | 0:14:23 | |
Andrew, what's your initial reaction when you see the cages and the wall? | 0:14:23 | 0:14:28 | |
-I'm sure you've never seen that before. -No. | 0:14:28 | 0:14:31 | |
I've never really seen that. | 0:14:31 | 0:14:33 | |
-Would you like to live like that? -Not really. | 0:14:35 | 0:14:38 | |
-What do you think the people feel? -I can't even imagine. | 0:14:38 | 0:14:42 | |
-It's a very depressing sight still, isn't it? -It is. Yes, it is. | 0:14:43 | 0:14:48 | |
And, of course, for someone who has never seen this, | 0:14:49 | 0:14:54 | |
what is striking is the immediacy. | 0:14:54 | 0:14:58 | |
This is right up against these houses. | 0:14:58 | 0:15:01 | |
This wall goes right through the middle of an urban area. | 0:15:01 | 0:15:04 | |
I think everyone's objective ought to be to reach the time when the wall is gone, the cages are gone, | 0:15:06 | 0:15:12 | |
and neighbours are neighbours | 0:15:12 | 0:15:15 | |
whichever side of the street they are on. | 0:15:15 | 0:15:18 | |
In the meantime, we all have to do our best | 0:15:18 | 0:15:21 | |
to make sure there's no sliding back into conflict. | 0:15:21 | 0:15:24 | |
We're off to rural County Fermanagh. | 0:15:34 | 0:15:36 | |
We're going to meet one of the families I had on my mind | 0:15:38 | 0:15:41 | |
when Andrew was born 14 years ago. | 0:15:41 | 0:15:45 | |
Hello, I'm Martin. We're the Robinson family. | 0:15:48 | 0:15:50 | |
We live outside the village of Derrygonnelly in County Fermanagh. | 0:15:50 | 0:15:54 | |
I'm Mary and I'm the mum. | 0:15:54 | 0:15:56 | |
I'm Adrian. I'm Conor's brother. | 0:15:56 | 0:15:58 | |
I'm Conor, I'm the youngest in the family and I was born on the 16th of October, 1997. | 0:15:58 | 0:16:03 | |
The Robinson family has lived at their home outside the village of Derrygonnelly for 19 years. | 0:16:04 | 0:16:12 | |
Mary, is a nurse at the local hospital in Enniskillen | 0:16:12 | 0:16:16 | |
and Martin, originally from South Armagh, is on the farm. | 0:16:16 | 0:16:20 | |
Their son Conor loves animals. | 0:16:21 | 0:16:23 | |
When he's not at school, | 0:16:23 | 0:16:27 | |
he spends his spare time with the pets the family keep on their land. | 0:16:27 | 0:16:31 | |
-Hello. -Hello, Senator Mitchell. You're very welcome to the Robinson household in Glenashaver. | 0:16:34 | 0:16:38 | |
Such a privilege. I never thought I'd see the day Senator Mitchell would be in Glenashaver! | 0:16:38 | 0:16:43 | |
Thank you. Very nice to be here. | 0:16:43 | 0:16:45 | |
'The surroundings here are very different from Manhattan, | 0:16:47 | 0:16:51 | |
'where we now live. | 0:16:51 | 0:16:52 | |
'But the green fields do remind me of my home state of Maine.' | 0:16:52 | 0:16:56 | |
..but also it's very nice here. | 0:16:56 | 0:16:58 | |
Every one knows every one about here, and they're all friends, | 0:17:00 | 0:17:03 | |
and help out everyone | 0:17:03 | 0:17:05 | |
around their places and properties. | 0:17:05 | 0:17:08 | |
In our school there's people that, like, every one knows, every one's friends with. | 0:17:11 | 0:17:16 | |
There's nobody, like, we don't know. | 0:17:16 | 0:17:18 | |
-You've a lot to show Andrew, haven't you? -I have. | 0:17:18 | 0:17:21 | |
Sure we'll go and look round the animals now, Andrew. | 0:17:21 | 0:17:24 | |
-Have you got a pair of wellies? -No, I didn't bring one. | 0:17:24 | 0:17:27 | |
We'll get you kitted out with something to keep you clean. | 0:17:27 | 0:17:32 | |
-Cos it's Fermanagh you're in! -ALL LAUGH | 0:17:32 | 0:17:34 | |
As Conor takes Andrew around the farm, | 0:17:36 | 0:17:39 | |
I get to chat with his mother and father. | 0:17:39 | 0:17:41 | |
Martin mentioned the Good Friday Agreement | 0:17:44 | 0:17:47 | |
and I was wondering what changes that's made in your life | 0:17:47 | 0:17:52 | |
and especially with relation to Conor and Adrian, your children. | 0:17:52 | 0:17:57 | |
Yeah. Well, really, I suppose it has brought about a lot of change, | 0:17:57 | 0:18:03 | |
because, you know, when we would've been growing up | 0:18:03 | 0:18:08 | |
at the same age of Adrian and Conor, | 0:18:08 | 0:18:11 | |
we were faced all the time with the security forces were on the road. | 0:18:11 | 0:18:16 | |
We had permanent Army checkpoints, | 0:18:16 | 0:18:19 | |
in fact, on this road between our house here and Derrygonnelly. | 0:18:19 | 0:18:22 | |
There really wasn't a night that you went out on the road | 0:18:22 | 0:18:25 | |
but you were stopped somewhere along the road, | 0:18:25 | 0:18:28 | |
whereas that never really happens now. | 0:18:28 | 0:18:31 | |
Are you confident now that this trouble is passed, | 0:18:31 | 0:18:36 | |
is in the background now, and we will progress even to a brighter future? | 0:18:36 | 0:18:41 | |
I think in human affairs nothing is certain. | 0:18:42 | 0:18:44 | |
No, no. You never really can say for sure, but as much as one can tell, | 0:18:44 | 0:18:50 | |
yes, I think that is the case. | 0:18:50 | 0:18:52 | |
They're not fully grown yet. | 0:18:56 | 0:18:59 | |
Have you ever experienced any problems or troubles here? | 0:18:59 | 0:19:03 | |
No, never experienced it since your father done the... | 0:19:03 | 0:19:06 | |
Since the peace process. | 0:19:06 | 0:19:08 | |
I've heard mum and dad talk about problems and troubles there was | 0:19:09 | 0:19:14 | |
but, like, I've never experienced any troubles or nothing like that. | 0:19:14 | 0:19:20 | |
So it worked out successful in the end of your father's work, so it did. | 0:19:20 | 0:19:24 | |
It's kind of weird to think that my dad was...not really... | 0:19:25 | 0:19:29 | |
He doesn't really seem like that type of person to me because I'm his son. | 0:19:29 | 0:19:33 | |
-That he did such great things. -Yeah. | 0:19:33 | 0:19:37 | |
It's hard to believe that me and you is the same day. | 0:19:37 | 0:19:39 | |
Yeah, yeah. I've never met anyone with the same exact birthday. | 0:19:39 | 0:19:44 | |
-You've more to meet in the next few days, have you? -Yeah, I think so. | 0:19:49 | 0:19:52 | |
MRS ROBINSON: It's all about money now. | 0:19:52 | 0:19:54 | |
It's not about the Troubles now, it's about money. | 0:19:54 | 0:19:57 | |
And even being a nurse myself, and working in the Health Service, | 0:19:57 | 0:20:02 | |
it's all about saving the pounds, cutbacks, you know. | 0:20:02 | 0:20:07 | |
-MR ROBINSON: -I suppose we would be hoping that employment will become more widespread | 0:20:07 | 0:20:11 | |
and that our children won't be stepping on a plane for America, Australia or wherever. | 0:20:11 | 0:20:17 | |
It's really nice of you to permit us to come into your home, | 0:20:21 | 0:20:26 | |
because I really wanted my son to meet Conor | 0:20:26 | 0:20:28 | |
and to get a sense from him of what life is like for someone here. | 0:20:28 | 0:20:33 | |
-MR ROBINSON: -Given the success of the Good Friday Agreement, | 0:20:33 | 0:20:37 | |
which has clearly made Northern Ireland a better place, | 0:20:37 | 0:20:41 | |
Senator George Mitchell will be spoke about and talked about | 0:20:41 | 0:20:44 | |
-for many years to come in Northern Ireland. -Thank you. | 0:20:44 | 0:20:47 | |
-MRS ROBINSON: Are yous ready for something to eat? -I am. | 0:20:47 | 0:20:53 | |
-A cup of tea, Andrew? -Er, I'm OK. -You're sure? Some juice? -Yes, please. | 0:20:53 | 0:20:57 | |
I liked it. Lots of animals and a nice area around here. | 0:20:58 | 0:21:05 | |
MR ROBINSON: Does your life style compare? | 0:21:05 | 0:21:08 | |
Yeah, it's a lot different! | 0:21:08 | 0:21:10 | |
Strange having the same birth date, so it is. Same day. | 0:21:12 | 0:21:15 | |
-MR ROBINSON: -That's one thing you certainly have in common. | 0:21:15 | 0:21:18 | |
-That'll never change. -That'll never change. | 0:21:18 | 0:21:22 | |
'That date will never change, but at the end of our first day, | 0:21:24 | 0:21:28 | |
'I'm left in little doubt that Northern Ireland has.' | 0:21:28 | 0:21:32 | |
It's a beautiful morning | 0:21:46 | 0:21:47 | |
and Andrew and I are off to meet with another family. | 0:21:47 | 0:21:50 | |
This time in County Down. | 0:21:50 | 0:21:52 | |
Hello, we're the Best family. We're from Comber. I'm Peter. | 0:21:54 | 0:21:57 | |
-I'm Heather. -I'm Sarah. | 0:21:57 | 0:21:59 | |
And I'm Alex and I was born the 16th of October, 1997. | 0:21:59 | 0:22:03 | |
The Best family live in Comber - just outside Belfast. | 0:22:05 | 0:22:10 | |
Peter is an architect and Heather is originally from County Donegal. | 0:22:10 | 0:22:15 | |
They are a Christian family, much involved in their church. | 0:22:16 | 0:22:20 | |
Over the past 14 years, since the birth of their son Alex, | 0:22:21 | 0:22:26 | |
they, like the Robinson family in Fermanagh, | 0:22:26 | 0:22:30 | |
have noticed huge changes in Northern Ireland. | 0:22:30 | 0:22:34 | |
Alex goes to school at Campbell College | 0:22:35 | 0:22:39 | |
and today he's taking Andrew on a tour. | 0:22:39 | 0:22:41 | |
-Hello. -Hi, Andrew. I'm Alex. Welcome to Campbell. | 0:22:41 | 0:22:44 | |
How do you do? J Piggot, headmaster. Welcome. | 0:22:44 | 0:22:46 | |
How does your school compare to this Victorian building? | 0:22:46 | 0:22:49 | |
It's much smaller. It's six floors. | 0:22:49 | 0:22:52 | |
-It's a modern building? -One building. Yeah. | 0:22:52 | 0:22:55 | |
-We'll shake hands here. -All right. -I hope it's a good afternoon. -Thank you. | 0:22:55 | 0:22:58 | |
While Andrew goes to school with Alex, | 0:23:00 | 0:23:03 | |
my daughter Claire and I meet with Heather and Peter. | 0:23:03 | 0:23:07 | |
-My name's Peter. -Peter, very nice to meet you. -My name's Heather. | 0:23:07 | 0:23:11 | |
-A familiar name for us! -So I hear! | 0:23:11 | 0:23:14 | |
'For Peter, the Good Friday Agreement, made a very practical difference.' | 0:23:14 | 0:23:19 | |
-How old is Sarah? -Sarah is seven. | 0:23:19 | 0:23:22 | |
The first time I ever voted was in the Good Friday Agreement. | 0:23:22 | 0:23:26 | |
And whenever I was thinking about this | 0:23:26 | 0:23:29 | |
the reason I didn't vote was because I couldn't see anything to vote for, | 0:23:29 | 0:23:33 | |
because it was all orange and green politics. | 0:23:33 | 0:23:36 | |
They were just arguing amongst themselves. | 0:23:36 | 0:23:39 | |
But now I would vote but what I would vote for people that... help me. | 0:23:39 | 0:23:45 | |
We, particularly in political life, make decisions based on | 0:23:45 | 0:23:50 | |
who's on the other side. | 0:23:50 | 0:23:53 | |
Instead of thinking about the idea - is it a good or a bad idea - in isolation? | 0:23:53 | 0:23:57 | |
You think, well, if he's for it and he's the opposition... | 0:23:57 | 0:24:02 | |
-I must be against it. -I must be against it! | 0:24:02 | 0:24:05 | |
And that thought dominated political life in Northern Ireland for a very long time. | 0:24:05 | 0:24:10 | |
And I do think that is changing very much, now. | 0:24:11 | 0:24:14 | |
-So, your school is quite like this, but just... -Yeah, much smaller. | 0:24:15 | 0:24:19 | |
It's a building. There's no outside grounds. It's, like, IN the city. | 0:24:19 | 0:24:23 | |
I just get on with normal everyday life. | 0:24:24 | 0:24:26 | |
It's basically making sure that we do the best for them. | 0:24:26 | 0:24:30 | |
Making sure we can pay our bills, making sure that we are well, | 0:24:30 | 0:24:34 | |
those are the issues that we look at now. | 0:24:34 | 0:24:36 | |
How do you feel, you know, basically the DUP is the major Unionist in government | 0:24:41 | 0:24:47 | |
-and they were against the agreement. -Yes. | 0:24:47 | 0:24:50 | |
And there they are operating it, effectively. | 0:24:50 | 0:24:54 | |
Is there not a certain irony in that? | 0:24:54 | 0:24:57 | |
Well, life takes funny twists and turns, and that's one of them. | 0:24:57 | 0:25:02 | |
One of the realities of human history | 0:25:02 | 0:25:06 | |
is that often times revolutions take dramatic reversals | 0:25:06 | 0:25:13 | |
and people do change their minds. | 0:25:13 | 0:25:17 | |
And often those who make the initial sacrifice bear the cost. | 0:25:17 | 0:25:24 | |
You could say that life is unfair, | 0:25:24 | 0:25:27 | |
but it just happens in life that sometimes you don't get all the credit you should | 0:25:27 | 0:25:34 | |
for what you did and things don't turn out perfectly fairly in each individual person | 0:25:34 | 0:25:42 | |
or each individual party's score sheet. | 0:25:42 | 0:25:45 | |
But the important thing is whether society as a whole benefits. | 0:25:45 | 0:25:49 | |
'At school, Andrew is interested to see if life has changed for people of his age.' | 0:25:49 | 0:25:57 | |
Do you guys have many friends who are from different backgrounds? | 0:25:58 | 0:26:02 | |
I think we probably do but we don't ask, if that makes sense. | 0:26:02 | 0:26:09 | |
I mean, we wouldn't ask if someone is Catholic or Protestant. | 0:26:09 | 0:26:12 | |
That wouldn't influence it in any way. | 0:26:12 | 0:26:15 | |
We probably just don't know. | 0:26:15 | 0:26:17 | |
There isn't really much of a difference between Protestant and Catholic. | 0:26:17 | 0:26:20 | |
It isn't really brought up in conversation. | 0:26:20 | 0:26:23 | |
And if, say, one of my friends was Catholic, I wouldn't really be that bothered with that. | 0:26:23 | 0:26:29 | |
'While there seems to be a change in attitude among the younger generation, | 0:26:29 | 0:26:32 | |
'its clear that for their parents much has remained the same.' | 0:26:32 | 0:26:39 | |
We're not a less segregated society, we're a more open society, | 0:26:39 | 0:26:42 | |
but, you know, you still live in the same town | 0:26:42 | 0:26:46 | |
as your mother or your sisters or your brothers, | 0:26:46 | 0:26:49 | |
so whilst you might have taken the sectarian element out of it, | 0:26:49 | 0:26:52 | |
by virtue of the fact that this is where you've lived and this is where you want to live, | 0:26:52 | 0:26:56 | |
it takes a long time for the inertia to sort of break apart the two sides. | 0:26:56 | 0:27:02 | |
And, you know, Comber is, I'm guessing, but I would think it's more than 90% Protestant. | 0:27:02 | 0:27:08 | |
Not because Catholics aren't welcome, | 0:27:08 | 0:27:10 | |
it's just that's the way it is, | 0:27:10 | 0:27:12 | |
because historically that's the way it has been. | 0:27:12 | 0:27:15 | |
I think it does take a longer time. | 0:27:15 | 0:27:18 | |
I told a story yesterday of before I came here, | 0:27:18 | 0:27:21 | |
I spent quite a bit of time in the Balkans | 0:27:21 | 0:27:24 | |
when they were going through their troubles. | 0:27:24 | 0:27:27 | |
This young man, a mayor, was showing me around and I said to him, | 0:27:27 | 0:27:30 | |
"How long will it take, do you think, before Serbs and Croats can live side by side in peace here?" | 0:27:30 | 0:27:38 | |
And he addressed just the point that you did, that people lived in segregated areas | 0:27:38 | 0:27:45 | |
and you can't just wave a magic wand or expect all of a sudden | 0:27:45 | 0:27:52 | |
people are going to pack up and move into a different area. | 0:27:52 | 0:27:55 | |
He said it just takes a very long time, in which you first get the end conflict, | 0:27:55 | 0:28:01 | |
then you establish peace as a normality. | 0:28:01 | 0:28:06 | |
It's not an unusual thing, it's the normal thing. | 0:28:06 | 0:28:10 | |
Then you get genuine reconciliation. And he said over time they will integrate. | 0:28:10 | 0:28:16 | |
And I think the same thing is going to happen here. | 0:28:16 | 0:28:18 | |
BIRDSONG | 0:28:18 | 0:28:20 | |
And that's Stormont over there. See? | 0:28:20 | 0:28:22 | |
Yeah. My Dad worked there for a bit of time as you probably know. | 0:28:22 | 0:28:27 | |
So what did he actually do? I mean, I know he did something, but what he actually did is? | 0:28:27 | 0:28:34 | |
Yeah. Well, as you probably know, | 0:28:34 | 0:28:37 | |
the majority of the people in Northern Ireland are either Catholic or Protestant. | 0:28:37 | 0:28:43 | |
-Yeah. -And as you probably know they had a little bit of conflict for a while. | 0:28:43 | 0:28:48 | |
-I would probably say a bit more than a little. -Yeah. | 0:28:48 | 0:28:51 | |
So, yeah, he basically sat down with both sides | 0:28:51 | 0:28:55 | |
and it took five years but he figured it out. | 0:28:55 | 0:28:58 | |
And erm...that's pretty much what he did. | 0:28:58 | 0:29:04 | |
Yeah. It must have been quite difficult. | 0:29:04 | 0:29:08 | |
It probably was, it took five years, so... (LAUGHS) I can imagine. | 0:29:08 | 0:29:14 | |
True. I must say if I were him, I'd probably say, "I think I'll go home." | 0:29:14 | 0:29:18 | |
Well, I think, when we were born, he was going to, but he changed his mind and came back. | 0:29:18 | 0:29:26 | |
He could have stayed at home to look after you, but he decided to come over here to help me? | 0:29:26 | 0:29:31 | |
-Yeah. Exactly. (LAUGHS) -Well, tell him thanks. -Yeah. | 0:29:31 | 0:29:35 | |
The Northern Ireland Assembly has gone through many ups and downs. | 0:29:42 | 0:29:46 | |
For me, the opportunity to come back here | 0:29:46 | 0:29:51 | |
keeps the promise I made when Andrew was just a newborn baby. | 0:29:51 | 0:29:55 | |
What's it like to drive up here now, today? | 0:29:55 | 0:29:59 | |
It's a very pleasant memory. It wasn't always pleasant then, but it's very nice now! | 0:29:59 | 0:30:05 | |
There it is. | 0:30:08 | 0:30:10 | |
After an unsteady beginning, the Assembly has now reached a degree of stability. | 0:30:10 | 0:30:18 | |
The agenda for today's proceedings is very ordinary, exactly what I'd always hoped for. | 0:30:18 | 0:30:25 | |
Among the topics for discussion, | 0:30:25 | 0:30:27 | |
animal welfare and a report from a minister on a meeting he attended in Brussels. | 0:30:27 | 0:30:34 | |
Andrew and I take our seats in the visitors' gallery. | 0:30:34 | 0:30:39 | |
The focus was on good practice... | 0:30:39 | 0:30:41 | |
The low-key nature of the debate confirms that this really is democracy in action, | 0:30:41 | 0:30:47 | |
and it's fulfilling to see how the Assembly struggles with the day-to-day issues. | 0:30:47 | 0:30:54 | |
I'm delighted to be joined by Heather and Claire to share this occasion. | 0:30:54 | 0:31:01 | |
And by some old friends from the press corp. Hi, Ken. | 0:31:01 | 0:31:04 | |
Today is the day. | 0:31:04 | 0:31:06 | |
I had a really wonderful experience with my son sitting up in the gallery at the Assembly. | 0:31:06 | 0:31:13 | |
Some might regard it as boring... I personally regard it as very exciting. | 0:31:13 | 0:31:19 | |
Before we leave, the Speaker of the Assembly | 0:31:19 | 0:31:23 | |
invited Andrew and me to sign the visitor's book. | 0:31:23 | 0:31:28 | |
I said, "Mr Speaker, thank you for your hospitality and for all that you and the members of the Assembly | 0:31:28 | 0:31:32 | |
"do for the people of Northern Ireland. We love this place and the people here!" | 0:31:32 | 0:31:37 | |
-Thank you very much, Senator. -Good luck to you. | 0:31:37 | 0:31:40 | |
-Thank you. And to you, Andrew. Thank you for coming along. -I had a good time. | 0:31:40 | 0:31:44 | |
-Much appreciated. Thank you. -OK, we're good. | 0:31:44 | 0:31:48 | |
It was good to see how my dad's ambition was achieved. | 0:31:48 | 0:31:52 | |
I think it was, and coming here, seeing this building | 0:31:52 | 0:31:55 | |
was definitely another aspect of this trip that was very enjoyable. | 0:31:55 | 0:32:01 | |
And in relation to your dad's ambition, | 0:32:01 | 0:32:03 | |
it's a nice moment for the two of you sitting up there just watching it. | 0:32:03 | 0:32:08 | |
-Did you feel that as well? -Yeah. It was very peaceful in the chamber. -It was. | 0:32:08 | 0:32:13 | |
But, yeah, I definitely did. He probably felt it more than I did, but it was definitely there. | 0:32:13 | 0:32:21 | |
-You were happy to share this experience with your dad? -Yes, I was. | 0:32:21 | 0:32:25 | |
-Not as happy as his dad was to share it with him. -I was pretty happy. | 0:32:25 | 0:32:30 | |
HE LAUGHS | 0:32:30 | 0:32:32 | |
-Who was Carson? -Carson was a very famous Unionist leader | 0:32:36 | 0:32:43 | |
back in the early part of the 20th century. | 0:32:43 | 0:32:47 | |
He was the inspirational force for the Unionist movement for a long time. | 0:32:47 | 0:32:53 | |
There's a hotel right across the street and that's where I stayed. | 0:32:53 | 0:32:58 | |
And on the... We got the agreement on a Friday evening | 0:32:58 | 0:33:04 | |
and then on Saturday I left there to go back to the US | 0:33:04 | 0:33:11 | |
to take Andrew and Mommy for a walk in Central Park. | 0:33:11 | 0:33:14 | |
I'd promised Mommy I'd be home on Easter Sunday for a walk in Central Park. | 0:33:14 | 0:33:19 | |
And Andrew was then, I would say, about six months old. | 0:33:19 | 0:33:25 | |
Mummy had that little... carry thing, yeah. | 0:33:25 | 0:33:29 | |
So we went for a nice walk in Central Park and, this is a true story, | 0:33:29 | 0:33:34 | |
we were walking in Central Park and the very first person we came across | 0:33:34 | 0:33:40 | |
came up to me and said, "I'm from Northern Ireland." | 0:33:40 | 0:33:44 | |
-Yeah? -Yeah. And she thanked me. | 0:33:44 | 0:33:47 | |
She said, "It's really wonderful to read about the news," and so forth. | 0:33:47 | 0:33:51 | |
In the middle of Manhattan. | 0:33:51 | 0:33:53 | |
The system of government here may not be perfect, but what system is? | 0:33:57 | 0:34:01 | |
The divisions are still clear, but that reflects the divisions that remain in the wider society. | 0:34:01 | 0:34:08 | |
The third day of our visit begins with a trip to a project that didn't exist when I first came to Belfast. | 0:34:18 | 0:34:25 | |
-The hulls are the same size as the Titanic would have been. -Wow! That is really phenomenal. | 0:34:25 | 0:34:31 | |
The new Titanic Visitors Centre represents a very different Northern Ireland. | 0:34:31 | 0:34:39 | |
This is a symbol of what's been achieved. | 0:34:39 | 0:34:41 | |
But not everyone believes that all the change has been for the better. | 0:34:43 | 0:34:49 | |
Hi, we're the Stephenson's from County Down. I'm Dad, Ian. And this is my family. | 0:34:50 | 0:34:54 | |
-Hi. I'm Nicola. -I'm Sophie. -I'm Molly. -Hi. I'm Emily. -I'm Lucy. | 0:34:54 | 0:35:00 | |
And I was born on the 16th of October, 1997. | 0:35:00 | 0:35:04 | |
The Stephensons are from County Down. | 0:35:04 | 0:35:08 | |
Their four girls range in age from 9 to 18. | 0:35:08 | 0:35:13 | |
Ian is a serving police officer. | 0:35:13 | 0:35:16 | |
The continuing threat posed by dissident Republicans is a constant worry. | 0:35:16 | 0:35:22 | |
When Lucy was born they felt life did improve for a short time, | 0:35:22 | 0:35:28 | |
but in recent years the ongoing security threat has cast a shadow over their lives. | 0:35:28 | 0:35:34 | |
Lucy is a typical teenager who enjoys being with her friends. | 0:35:34 | 0:35:40 | |
She practices archery once a week, | 0:35:40 | 0:35:43 | |
and has taken Andrew, with her sisters, to the local leisure centre for a lesson. | 0:35:43 | 0:35:48 | |
-(I don't want this on video!) -SHE LAUGHS | 0:35:50 | 0:35:54 | |
So we were born on the same day, the same year, but you have four more years of experience. | 0:35:54 | 0:35:59 | |
-And I'm a girl. -Yeah. | 0:35:59 | 0:36:02 | |
Do your parents do archery? | 0:36:02 | 0:36:05 | |
Yeah. My mum and dad are into archery. They do it every weekend. | 0:36:05 | 0:36:08 | |
They would go out and shoot in the forests and stuff. | 0:36:08 | 0:36:12 | |
-Are they good? -Yeah, they are. | 0:36:12 | 0:36:16 | |
They like to think they're good. | 0:36:16 | 0:36:18 | |
Yeah. That's kind of the similar to my dad. | 0:36:18 | 0:36:23 | |
So, what's life like in New York? | 0:36:23 | 0:36:26 | |
Erm... it's pretty cool. | 0:36:26 | 0:36:29 | |
There's' a lot of people, it's really busy, but I like it. | 0:36:29 | 0:36:36 | |
I'm sure it's pretty different from the countryside in Northern Ireland and stuff. | 0:36:36 | 0:36:40 | |
-Yeah. -Do you get that in New York? -Not really. You have to go out pretty far for that. -Yeah. | 0:36:40 | 0:36:46 | |
-It's erm... Yeah. But I go to Maine in the summer and that's pretty nice. -Yeah. | 0:36:46 | 0:36:52 | |
It's a little bit like here. | 0:36:52 | 0:36:54 | |
Tell me a little bit about your life here, what it's been like in the past few years. | 0:36:54 | 0:36:59 | |
I think probably from when Lucy was born there seemed to be relative peace in Northern Ireland in '97. | 0:36:59 | 0:37:06 | |
With the Good Friday Agreement, when it was signed, things did look to be better. | 0:37:06 | 0:37:11 | |
Certainly that's what the media was portraying, that Northern Ireland was a new place. | 0:37:11 | 0:37:15 | |
Everybody seemed to have been swept up in this wave of peace. | 0:37:15 | 0:37:18 | |
Yes. And then with Ian being in the police, | 0:37:18 | 0:37:21 | |
you always had that worry, "What if this all starts again?" | 0:37:21 | 0:37:25 | |
And I think over recent years, from the murder of Stephen Carol and Ronan Kerr, | 0:37:25 | 0:37:30 | |
since they have been killed, you just can't relax the way you used to relax, I don't feel. | 0:37:30 | 0:37:36 | |
You're always on your guard. | 0:37:36 | 0:37:38 | |
Our children would be very much aware they don't go out to the car unless it has been checked. | 0:37:38 | 0:37:42 | |
You check under your car every morning. My car and Ian's car. | 0:37:42 | 0:37:46 | |
So peace for us really isn't very peaceful here, | 0:37:46 | 0:37:50 | |
because you've got that threat always hanging over you. | 0:37:50 | 0:37:55 | |
But what people see is just what the media want them to see. | 0:37:55 | 0:37:59 | |
-They don't know most of what's going on behind the scenes. -Yeah. | 0:37:59 | 0:38:04 | |
In the Police Service, is there greater integration there over time? | 0:38:04 | 0:38:10 | |
There's a lot more, yes. And it is actually good to see. | 0:38:10 | 0:38:14 | |
Have you ever had any troubles? Have you ever experienced that? | 0:38:14 | 0:38:17 | |
Not really, but you would hear on the radio | 0:38:17 | 0:38:20 | |
about soldiers and policemen being shot and bombs going off and stuff. | 0:38:20 | 0:38:24 | |
-Do you ever worry about your Dad? -Yeah, sometimes. Whenever a policeman's been shot you think, | 0:38:24 | 0:38:29 | |
"That could have been my dad!" That sort of thing. | 0:38:29 | 0:38:33 | |
But, yeah...you do worry about it. | 0:38:33 | 0:38:39 | |
Of course not everyone was in favour of the Good Friday Agreement | 0:38:39 | 0:38:42 | |
and Nicola was one of those who found it difficult to accept. | 0:38:42 | 0:38:47 | |
It was a case for me of right and wrong, and how can you reward people who do wrong? | 0:38:47 | 0:38:55 | |
And I felt very much that's what the Good Friday Agreement did. | 0:38:55 | 0:38:58 | |
And how do I teach my children about right and wrong and then say, "Look who's running our country." | 0:38:58 | 0:39:05 | |
It's not people who have done right. To me, if my children do wrong, they're punished. | 0:39:05 | 0:39:11 | |
Not if they scream loud enough, they shout loud enough, I give in and give them what they want. | 0:39:11 | 0:39:16 | |
And that's in essence what I think happened in Northern Ireland. | 0:39:16 | 0:39:20 | |
People didn't behave in a very good way. | 0:39:20 | 0:39:23 | |
-They were put in prison for it. -And they've been rewarded. | 0:39:23 | 0:39:27 | |
They let people out of prison. | 0:39:27 | 0:39:29 | |
Now, I'm very lucky because nobody very close to me was killed in the Troubles. | 0:39:29 | 0:39:34 | |
Ian's uncle was killed in the Troubles, | 0:39:34 | 0:39:36 | |
because he was a Protestant in the wrong place at the wrong time. | 0:39:36 | 0:39:40 | |
But how do you tell that to people that that's right, they are never going to see their loved ones again? | 0:39:40 | 0:39:47 | |
How do you say that's right to somebody? | 0:39:47 | 0:39:50 | |
Right, right. | 0:39:50 | 0:39:51 | |
I don't think you can explain it to anybody in a satisfactory way, | 0:39:53 | 0:39:58 | |
because I think loss is so personal | 0:39:58 | 0:40:04 | |
and grief is so natural and normal | 0:40:04 | 0:40:08 | |
that I don't think people can be, or should be asked | 0:40:08 | 0:40:13 | |
to forget and forgive individuals. | 0:40:13 | 0:40:16 | |
And I think the hope for the future will be, | 0:40:17 | 0:40:20 | |
that in future generations the numbers of people that have suffered personal loss | 0:40:20 | 0:40:28 | |
will be fewer in the next generation, fewer still in the generation beyond. | 0:40:28 | 0:40:33 | |
Hopefully, your daughters will never have to go through what you went through, | 0:40:33 | 0:40:36 | |
and their children won't have to go through. | 0:40:36 | 0:40:39 | |
And in time you can see a hope for genuine reconciliation. | 0:40:39 | 0:40:44 | |
I don't... I don't think that it's there yet | 0:40:44 | 0:40:49 | |
At archery, Andrew and Lucy are getting on well | 0:40:51 | 0:40:55 | |
and the conversation has turned to common interests, music and the internet. | 0:40:55 | 0:41:00 | |
THEY CHAT | 0:41:00 | 0:41:03 | |
It's not just Andrew and Lucy who have discovered they have some things in common. | 0:41:03 | 0:41:09 | |
And I really hope and pray that Lucy | 0:41:09 | 0:41:11 | |
ends up with the same kind of opportunities | 0:41:11 | 0:41:14 | |
that Andrew or the other children of the same age have. | 0:41:14 | 0:41:18 | |
It's a bit hard in your position and Andrew's position, how do they beat what Dad has done? | 0:41:18 | 0:41:23 | |
How do they live up to what Dad has contributed to not only America but to Northern Ireland, | 0:41:23 | 0:41:29 | |
the Middle East and all the jobs you have done over your long career. And it's still going. | 0:41:29 | 0:41:35 | |
I suppose he has a lot to live up to, Lucy doesn't have the same... | 0:41:35 | 0:41:41 | |
I have to be careful and patient with him in that respect. | 0:41:41 | 0:41:45 | |
Everybody's got to be his own man. | 0:41:45 | 0:41:47 | |
-Absolutely. -Or woman. And do what he or she can do, | 0:41:47 | 0:41:51 | |
and not be bound by what the expectations are. | 0:41:51 | 0:41:55 | |
-So I try to be very respectful and not too bossy. -THEY LAUGH | 0:41:55 | 0:42:00 | |
But it's very difficult, I know as a parent it's very difficult not to push them in certain directions | 0:42:00 | 0:42:05 | |
that you think would be the best thing for them | 0:42:05 | 0:42:08 | |
and what you perhaps were interested in, or maybe what you didn't do. | 0:42:08 | 0:42:12 | |
What would you like to see Andrew doing when he grows up? | 0:42:12 | 0:42:15 | |
Would you like to see him going into politics? | 0:42:15 | 0:42:17 | |
Really, I don't care. | 0:42:17 | 0:42:20 | |
I don't think he'll want to get into politics, because having seen it, | 0:42:20 | 0:42:26 | |
some of it's tough, particularly the separation from family is very hard. | 0:42:26 | 0:42:30 | |
And I was talking to Heather about it just last week, | 0:42:30 | 0:42:34 | |
all we want to do is to get him to the point | 0:42:34 | 0:42:37 | |
where he has the intelligence and the judgment and the maturity to make a good choice of his own. | 0:42:37 | 0:42:42 | |
-Yes, absolutely. -So I try not to push him at all in any direction. | 0:42:42 | 0:42:48 | |
But as long as you feel like you're doing something that you like | 0:42:48 | 0:42:52 | |
and working successfully, that's really all I care about for him. | 0:42:52 | 0:42:57 | |
As with the other families, the Stephensons were frank and honest in their opinions. | 0:43:01 | 0:43:07 | |
In some ways they are very different from those of the other families I've met on this trip, | 0:43:07 | 0:43:13 | |
but as parents we all share a lot in common. | 0:43:13 | 0:43:16 | |
BIRDSONG | 0:43:19 | 0:43:20 | |
It's our final day in Northern Ireland. | 0:43:22 | 0:43:25 | |
I want to bring my son to my old office at Castle Buildings, | 0:43:25 | 0:43:29 | |
where I spent so much of my time during the peace negotiations. | 0:43:29 | 0:43:34 | |
I haven't been there since the day we got the agreement. | 0:43:34 | 0:43:37 | |
On the journey, I tell Andrew about some of the problems during the talks. | 0:43:37 | 0:43:43 | |
What I had anticipated would take just a few days, agreeing on a simple set of rules, | 0:43:43 | 0:43:48 | |
ended up taking months. | 0:43:48 | 0:43:51 | |
And it was... | 0:43:51 | 0:43:54 | |
a very painful and painstaking and argumentative process. | 0:43:54 | 0:44:00 | |
That was a very long...description of the buildings. | 0:44:00 | 0:44:04 | |
Andrew's been rather consistently critically | 0:44:04 | 0:44:10 | |
commenting on the lengths of my answers, | 0:44:10 | 0:44:12 | |
especially when we're outside. | 0:44:12 | 0:44:16 | |
He said to me the other day, he said, | 0:44:16 | 0:44:20 | |
"The next time you give one of these 18-minute answers, | 0:44:20 | 0:44:23 | |
"remember I'm standing out here in the cold next to you!" | 0:44:23 | 0:44:25 | |
HE LAUGHS | 0:44:25 | 0:44:28 | |
BIRDSONG | 0:44:34 | 0:44:35 | |
Good morning. | 0:44:38 | 0:44:41 | |
Oh, boy! This brings back memories. | 0:44:48 | 0:44:51 | |
-So, is this your old office? -Er... right in here. | 0:44:52 | 0:44:58 | |
This was it here. | 0:44:58 | 0:45:00 | |
'This is the office where my staff and I | 0:45:00 | 0:45:02 | |
'discussed how to overcome the many problems in the negotiations. | 0:45:02 | 0:45:06 | |
'It's also where I updated President Clinton on progress.' | 0:45:07 | 0:45:10 | |
My desk was over in that corner. | 0:45:11 | 0:45:13 | |
All great negotiators are able to always put themselves in your shoes | 0:45:13 | 0:45:18 | |
at a second's notice. | 0:45:18 | 0:45:21 | |
Because they can't seem to be getting you to do what they want you to do, | 0:45:21 | 0:45:27 | |
they had to get you to believe that it's in your interests | 0:45:27 | 0:45:31 | |
and that of the people you represent and care about | 0:45:31 | 0:45:33 | |
and the future you dream of for your children to do these things. | 0:45:33 | 0:45:36 | |
Mitchell is a genius at that. | 0:45:36 | 0:45:40 | |
There were many times I thought that we couldn't possibly succeed. | 0:45:40 | 0:45:44 | |
It was so difficult. | 0:45:44 | 0:45:46 | |
It's hard even for me to visualise in retrospect | 0:45:46 | 0:45:52 | |
listening to the same arguments for two years. | 0:45:52 | 0:45:56 | |
Two years is a very long time to hear the same people | 0:45:56 | 0:46:01 | |
say the same thing over and over and over again. | 0:46:01 | 0:46:06 | |
Just down the corridor is the room in which the agreement was announced. | 0:46:08 | 0:46:12 | |
Some old news reports help bring back the memories. | 0:46:12 | 0:46:16 | |
Our political editor Stephen Grimason. Stephen, anything new in the last 20 minutes? | 0:46:16 | 0:46:20 | |
-This is it. This is the agreement. -You have it in your hand? | 0:46:20 | 0:46:23 | |
I have it in my hand. 67 pages. | 0:46:23 | 0:46:26 | |
-It's grown by two. -Yeah, it's grown by two. | 0:46:26 | 0:46:29 | |
It's probably to do with the way they have re-ordered the sections, | 0:46:29 | 0:46:33 | |
but this is what they'll be signing up to in the plenary later this afternoon. | 0:46:33 | 0:46:37 | |
I say to you from the bottom of my heart, | 0:46:37 | 0:46:40 | |
I have that bitter-sweet feeling, that comes in life, | 0:46:40 | 0:46:45 | |
I'm dying to leave... | 0:46:45 | 0:46:48 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:46:48 | 0:46:50 | |
..but I hate to go. | 0:46:50 | 0:46:53 | |
This has been a truly remarkable experience for me | 0:46:53 | 0:46:57 | |
and while I've engaged in many important public policy matters, | 0:46:57 | 0:47:03 | |
I can say to you that never have I felt the sense of gratification | 0:47:03 | 0:47:10 | |
and responsibility and gratitude that I feel today. | 0:47:10 | 0:47:16 | |
I think that on this important day, we should all offer our very deep thanks to our three chairman | 0:47:16 | 0:47:23 | |
who have played such a pivotal role in these talks. | 0:47:23 | 0:47:27 | |
We owe an enormous debt of gratitude to Senator Mitchell, | 0:47:27 | 0:47:30 | |
to Prime Minister Holkeri and to General de Chastelain, | 0:47:30 | 0:47:34 | |
as indeed do all the people of Northern Ireland and Ireland as a whole. | 0:47:34 | 0:47:39 | |
I must join with those, George, who have thanked you and John and Harry | 0:47:39 | 0:47:45 | |
for your tremendous patience over the time, particularly in the last few days. | 0:47:45 | 0:47:50 | |
And I hope and pray that the action we've taken today | 0:47:50 | 0:47:54 | |
gives everyone here, especially the children, | 0:47:54 | 0:47:57 | |
the opportunity to enjoy the kind of life | 0:47:57 | 0:48:01 | |
that I want for my new young son. | 0:48:01 | 0:48:04 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:48:04 | 0:48:06 | |
It was one of the most meaningful days of my life, | 0:48:09 | 0:48:14 | |
and I could not have foreseen that... | 0:48:14 | 0:48:19 | |
14 years later, | 0:48:19 | 0:48:22 | |
I'd be back here in the same room, in the same place, | 0:48:22 | 0:48:28 | |
with my son reminiscing about and talking about those days. | 0:48:28 | 0:48:35 | |
Andrew, when you watch that video footage there, | 0:48:36 | 0:48:40 | |
listening to everybody heaping praise on your father... what's that like? | 0:48:40 | 0:48:45 | |
Erm... it's a very good feeling. | 0:48:45 | 0:48:48 | |
Erm... yeah. | 0:48:48 | 0:48:51 | |
-Are you proud of him? -Yeah, I am. | 0:48:51 | 0:48:54 | |
-You did a good job. -LAUGHS | 0:48:54 | 0:48:58 | |
-I did the best job with you. -Yeah. | 0:48:58 | 0:49:02 | |
HE LAUGHS | 0:49:02 | 0:49:04 | |
It's still the symbol of what is best in us. | 0:49:06 | 0:49:09 | |
And I'm very proud, since my mother's people are all from Northern Ireland, that I was a part of it. | 0:49:09 | 0:49:15 | |
I'm very proud that I... persuaded George Mitchell to take that part-time job. | 0:49:15 | 0:49:22 | |
And I'm very proud that he decided to honour his young son | 0:49:22 | 0:49:26 | |
by giving the sons and daughters of Ireland a brighter future. | 0:49:26 | 0:49:29 | |
I'm very... profoundly grateful for having had the opportunity | 0:49:33 | 0:49:38 | |
to serve in Northern Ireland. | 0:49:38 | 0:49:40 | |
And I'm also grateful that I now have this opportunity to come back and remember it | 0:49:42 | 0:49:47 | |
and in a sense relive it in the presence of my son, | 0:49:47 | 0:49:50 | |
who now understands what I was doing and why I wasn't home. | 0:49:50 | 0:49:55 | |
And... I think it's important for everyone | 0:49:55 | 0:49:59 | |
to have some important cause in their life, | 0:49:59 | 0:50:04 | |
larger than their self-interest. | 0:50:04 | 0:50:07 | |
Because it adds depth and fulfilment to any human life. | 0:50:07 | 0:50:12 | |
And so, for me, the opportunity to serve in Northern Ireland played that role. | 0:50:12 | 0:50:17 | |
But back in 1998, | 0:50:24 | 0:50:26 | |
just when I thought that my time in Northern Ireland was over, | 0:50:26 | 0:50:30 | |
I abruptly learned it wasn't. | 0:50:30 | 0:50:34 | |
The Omagh bomb came just four months after the signing of the agreement. | 0:50:34 | 0:50:39 | |
When I heard the news, I felt that the whole peace process | 0:50:39 | 0:50:43 | |
and everything that we had achieved was at serious risk. | 0:50:43 | 0:50:48 | |
With President Clinton, I went to Omagh. | 0:50:50 | 0:50:53 | |
And today, just when I think this trip with my son is complete, it turns out it isn't. | 0:50:53 | 0:51:01 | |
Just like 14 years ago, my journey in Northern Ireland takes me to Omagh | 0:51:01 | 0:51:05 | |
to a surprise meeting. | 0:51:05 | 0:51:08 | |
That's right, you won't tell me so I'm not going to ask. | 0:51:10 | 0:51:13 | |
Do you have any idea? | 0:51:13 | 0:51:16 | |
Oh, I have several different ideas, | 0:51:17 | 0:51:20 | |
but I thought it would be best to wait and...genuinely be surprised. | 0:51:20 | 0:51:27 | |
I've spoken about Northern Ireland all around the world. | 0:51:27 | 0:51:32 | |
Each time I talk about the impact on me of the Omagh bomb and the bravery of the survivors, | 0:51:32 | 0:51:39 | |
I always mention Claire Gallagher, the 15 year-old | 0:51:39 | 0:51:44 | |
who lost her sight in the attack. | 0:51:44 | 0:51:46 | |
For me, she is an simply an inspiration. | 0:51:46 | 0:51:51 | |
In fact, when President Obama asked me to serve as his Peace Envoy to the Middle East, | 0:51:51 | 0:51:57 | |
I thought about Claire among others. | 0:51:57 | 0:52:01 | |
14 years after the Omagh bomb, she's now married with children of her own. | 0:52:01 | 0:52:07 | |
It was very humbling in a way. | 0:52:07 | 0:52:10 | |
I suppose I would never think of people like the Senator | 0:52:10 | 0:52:14 | |
thinking of me in their day to day life. | 0:52:14 | 0:52:17 | |
I was just a teenage girl from Omagh caught up in the wrong place at the wrong time | 0:52:19 | 0:52:25 | |
and have just got on with things and live very much a normal life now | 0:52:25 | 0:52:28 | |
and sort of stay away from a lot of the media attention and things like that. | 0:52:28 | 0:52:33 | |
So I suppose I just never considered that someone like the Senator would remember me | 0:52:33 | 0:52:37 | |
and would continue to remember me. | 0:52:37 | 0:52:40 | |
-Hello, Claire. -Hello, Senator. You're very welcome. | 0:52:44 | 0:52:48 | |
-How have you been? -Fine thanks. Good. | 0:52:48 | 0:52:50 | |
-It's very nice, very wonderful to see you again. -You, too. | 0:52:50 | 0:52:55 | |
-This is my son, Andrew. -Pleased to meet you. -He's 14. | 0:52:55 | 0:53:00 | |
-I told him he's just a little younger than you were at the time we met. -Yeah. | 0:53:00 | 0:53:05 | |
I was...genuinely inspired | 0:53:05 | 0:53:09 | |
by what I saw as Claire's courage | 0:53:09 | 0:53:15 | |
and determination...and spirit. | 0:53:15 | 0:53:20 | |
And so it enabled me to come back when the process collapsed yet again the following year. | 0:53:20 | 0:53:28 | |
And I have always kept Claire in my mind. | 0:53:28 | 0:53:32 | |
And I never did tell you this, but... | 0:53:32 | 0:53:36 | |
a few years later I had a daughter and we named her Claire. | 0:53:36 | 0:53:40 | |
So my son Andrew here is 14 and my daughter Claire is now 11. | 0:53:40 | 0:53:46 | |
So...I think of you a lot because I use your name every day a lot. | 0:53:46 | 0:53:52 | |
Sometimes a little yelling trying to get a little discipline, | 0:53:52 | 0:53:58 | |
but you've always been on my mind. | 0:53:58 | 0:54:03 | |
It's also good to see the people that were affected by what happened. | 0:54:03 | 0:54:09 | |
And that it's not all bad, you know, some of it's good. | 0:54:09 | 0:54:13 | |
And, of course, it's always nice to see good-looking guys like this. | 0:54:13 | 0:54:19 | |
'You can tell at times with people there's still a bit of anxiety | 0:54:19 | 0:54:26 | |
'about what happens in the North. | 0:54:26 | 0:54:27 | |
'And we do have security alerts at times and things like that, | 0:54:27 | 0:54:31 | |
'but, thankfully, they don't happen that often and it generally is a nice place. | 0:54:31 | 0:54:37 | |
'And it is improving.' | 0:54:37 | 0:54:40 | |
You still have the minority that will probably always be there, | 0:54:40 | 0:54:45 | |
but the majority of people are getting on well and getting on with their lives. | 0:54:45 | 0:54:50 | |
And I suppose a lot of the Troubles have been left in the past. | 0:54:50 | 0:54:56 | |
This was a surprise. | 0:54:58 | 0:55:00 | |
When I knew we were coming to Omagh just a few minutes ago, | 0:55:00 | 0:55:04 | |
I said to my son, "I only know two people in Omagh, | 0:55:04 | 0:55:09 | |
"so it has to be one of the two." | 0:55:09 | 0:55:12 | |
And I told him I thought it was very likely it was Claire, | 0:55:12 | 0:55:15 | |
because you have meant so much to me. | 0:55:15 | 0:55:19 | |
And I think to all the people of Northern Ireland and in other places | 0:55:19 | 0:55:25 | |
as an inspiration of courage and determination, integrity, | 0:55:25 | 0:55:31 | |
and really the kind of human spirit that everybody aspires to, | 0:55:31 | 0:55:36 | |
but not many of us actually achieve. | 0:55:36 | 0:55:39 | |
So it's a great, great pleasure for me to be here with you. | 0:55:39 | 0:55:43 | |
Well, it's lovely for me to be here as well. Thank you. | 0:55:43 | 0:55:47 | |
Meeting with Claire again and her family has capped off the trip of a lifetime for me and my family. | 0:55:56 | 0:56:04 | |
After talking with her and the other families, | 0:56:04 | 0:56:08 | |
one thing is clear above all others, | 0:56:08 | 0:56:13 | |
parents across the world want what's best for their children. | 0:56:13 | 0:56:19 | |
Before we left New York, Andrew was curious to see | 0:56:19 | 0:56:23 | |
how the lives of the children born of the same day as him | 0:56:23 | 0:56:28 | |
were different from his own life. | 0:56:28 | 0:56:30 | |
I think in many ways, many, many ways they are very, very similar. | 0:56:30 | 0:56:36 | |
You know, they all go to school, | 0:56:36 | 0:56:39 | |
they all do things for fun, whether that's archery or whatever. | 0:56:39 | 0:56:44 | |
You know, they both have two parents. | 0:56:44 | 0:56:47 | |
In some cases they live in different places, I don't live on a farm. | 0:56:47 | 0:56:51 | |
But... | 0:56:51 | 0:56:53 | |
I think the differences are | 0:56:53 | 0:56:56 | |
that they have to live with the separation of Protestants and Catholics, | 0:56:56 | 0:57:02 | |
and that's something I just don't have to live with. | 0:57:02 | 0:57:05 | |
And that's probably the biggest difference that...is meaningful. | 0:57:05 | 0:57:10 | |
Andrew's right, Northern Ireland's shared future is still some way off. | 0:57:12 | 0:57:17 | |
People do live apart, their children are schooled apart. | 0:57:17 | 0:57:23 | |
But there is peace. | 0:57:23 | 0:57:25 | |
There is hope. | 0:57:25 | 0:57:26 | |
And there is a confidence that wasn't here when I first arrived in Belfast. | 0:57:26 | 0:57:31 | |
Peace and reconciliation are important... | 0:57:31 | 0:57:35 | |
but they rarely occur simultaneously. | 0:57:35 | 0:57:39 | |
People shouldn't be disappointed or think of it as a failure | 0:57:39 | 0:57:44 | |
that there isn't full and genuine reconciliation yet. | 0:57:44 | 0:57:49 | |
It will come. | 0:57:49 | 0:57:51 | |
The important point is that peace is here | 0:57:51 | 0:57:56 | |
and that there can be a broadly shared prosperity and a broadly shared sense of community | 0:57:56 | 0:58:01 | |
by all the people of Northern Ireland. | 0:58:01 | 0:58:04 | |
The trip has been one of the most memorable of my life, | 0:58:04 | 0:58:10 | |
moving and informative. | 0:58:10 | 0:58:11 | |
I've seen former rival paramilitaries working side by side, | 0:58:11 | 0:58:17 | |
but I've seen the peace walls stand as tall as ever. | 0:58:17 | 0:58:20 | |
I've seen the Northern Ireland Assembly in action | 0:58:20 | 0:58:23 | |
and signs of the investment that I'd hoped for | 0:58:23 | 0:58:27 | |
but never imagined would occur in these economies. | 0:58:27 | 0:58:31 | |
But I've also seen how the peace process hasn't delivered for everyone. | 0:58:31 | 0:58:36 | |
The only thing I haven't seen during our trip is...rain! | 0:58:36 | 0:58:42 | |
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