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politician with a Ph.D. In traffic management became a personality to | :00:03. | :00:09. | |
be reckoned with on the international stage. | :00:10. | :00:19. | |
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himself into one of the most famous and provocative Iranianss in modern | :00:29. | :00:39. | |
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history? Who is this man? His extreme views are almost unbalanced | :00:47. | :00:57. | |
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views. He was warm, extroverted, religious and pretty nice, actually. | :01:05. | :01:10. | |
Did the worst over estimate the threat posed by an opportunist with | :01:10. | :01:17. | |
little actual power? Did we ever really understand him? No, we | :01:17. | :01:27. | |
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appear to be of little interest. Here, he even has to be prodded into | :02:26. | :02:36. | |
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on meeting the crowd. -- Mahmoud Ahmadinejad insists on meeting the | :02:48. | :02:58. | |
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crowd, a populist meeting his enjoys the stage he has spent the | :03:05. | :03:13. | |
last eight years building. I see him as a man of heroism who | :03:13. | :03:21. | |
stands against any act of oppression and suppression. That is how I see. | :03:21. | :03:24. | |
He stands not for an Islamic Republic but the liberation of | :03:24. | :03:34. | |
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mankind. We love him A&E we live in supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali | :03:53. | :04:03. | |
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Khamenei. But every four years, the country chooses a president. It is | :04:05. | :04:14. | |
an office with plenty of exposure but little ultimate power. In 2005, | :04:15. | :04:17. | |
the mayor of Tehran decided that he could make more of this job than | :04:17. | :04:27. | |
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like a potential president. He wore a cheap jacket instead of a road. | :04:45. | :04:55. | |
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His final campaign events were of Iran's new president. The Bush | :06:06. | :06:12. | |
administration found itself with a simple question. Who was Mahmoud | :06:12. | :06:18. | |
Ahmadinejad? What you get when you are in the White House is a lot of | :06:18. | :06:24. | |
different views and a lot of different strands of who this man | :06:24. | :06:29. | |
is. It is very difficult, even with someone that American officials | :06:30. | :06:35. | |
might have spent a lot of time with, to make judgements. This was a thug, | :06:35. | :06:38. | |
of course, which for a variety of reasons the American teachers not | :06:38. | :06:48. | |
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spent any time with. The answer is, one stronger early clue, here at | :06:52. | :07:01. | |
Ahmadinejad's endorsement. Ayatollah Khamenei embraces his new president. | :07:01. | :07:08. | |
Then he chooses to leave. He has little need for attention. But | :07:08. | :07:14. | |
Ahmadinejad does not follow him. The leader's bodyguards try to force the | :07:14. | :07:24. | |
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new president of the stage. -- off uranium president debases support on | :07:52. | :07:58. | |
the working class. -- the first Iranians president to base his | :07:58. | :08:05. | |
support on the working class. In his first term, he decided that he could | :08:05. | :08:08. | |
not defy the clerics who had helped to put him in office, but he could | :08:08. | :08:18. | |
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way of getting everyone's attention. He had inherited a uranium in | :08:36. | :08:39. | |
Richmond freeze negotiated with European politicians. By the time of | :08:39. | :08:46. | |
his election, this deal was already in trouble. Just some months before | :08:46. | :08:56. | |
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the election in 2005, I personally told him very clearly and openly to | :08:57. | :09:02. | |
my three EU intellects uses, regardless of who would be elected | :09:02. | :09:09. | |
as president, Iran would restart enrichment. | :09:09. | :09:17. | |
Days after Ahmadinejad took office, Iran ended the deal. The president | :09:17. | :09:21. | |
may have jumped on board something that was about to happen anyway. He | :09:21. | :09:25. | |
may not have made the final decision himself, but he got Washington's | :09:25. | :09:34. | |
attention. The negotiated solution which through the EU leadership we | :09:34. | :09:40. | |
had obtained, he basically reversed it. He came within the Iranian | :09:40. | :09:49. | |
political system, possibly the most visible advocate of the nuclear | :09:49. | :09:53. | |
programme as somehow the essence of Iranians sovereignty. We were | :09:53. | :10:01. | |
dragged along -- initially, the supreme leader was dragged along | :10:01. | :10:03. | |
reluctantly, and the supreme leader may have learned from that example | :10:03. | :10:09. | |
that the nuclear programme could be, in some sense, an element of support | :10:09. | :10:13. | |
for the supreme leader among the population, because Ahmadinejad was | :10:13. | :10:21. | |
really the one he made that programme somehow the essence of | :10:21. | :10:31. | |
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Iranians sovereignty and pride. has no fear. No fear. He said, we | :10:35. | :10:40. | |
will start and they will be able to do nothing. That's it. That's it. | :10:40. | :10:50. | |
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This is your mistake. They cannot do anything. I was really shocked. He | :10:51. | :11:00. | |
was so brave. He was inexperienced about international equation | :11:00. | :11:10. | |
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politics and relations. He clearly United Nations General assembly that | :11:30. | :11:38. | |
year determines to be noticed. European follow ministers -- foreign | :11:38. | :11:46. | |
ministers arranged to meet him. But the meeting produced no agreement. | :11:46. | :11:56. | |
In later years, sanctions would follow. I think that the West, | :11:56. | :12:01. | |
particularly the United States, egged on by Israel, has made a major | :12:01. | :12:05. | |
strategic mistake in a way it has handled Iran. It has done so since | :12:05. | :12:14. | |
the beginning of 2002. The lack of cooperation from the Americans | :12:14. | :12:21. | |
thereafter in terms of the nuclear dossier begat Ahmadinejad. The | :12:21. | :12:24. | |
neoconservatives got what they wished for, and so did the Israeli | :12:24. | :12:34. | |
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right wing. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad know that his -- knew that his job came | :12:36. | :12:40. | |
with a stage but little else. So he worked out a simple plan. The more | :12:40. | :12:46. | |
he spoke, the more he succeeded in provoking a reaction, the bigger his | :12:46. | :12:56. | |
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Ahmadinejad had no immediate power to put these words into action. He | :13:27. | :13:31. | |
did not control Iran's Armed Forces, nor did he have the final say on the | :13:31. | :13:41. | |
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country's nuclear programme. But his enemies listened anyway. Iran has | :13:42. | :13:45. | |
made clear that it seeks the destruction of Israel. We can only | :13:45. | :13:49. | |
imagine how much more dangerous this conflict could be if Iran had | :13:49. | :13:58. | |
nuclear weaponss it seeks. I think we have to consider it very | :13:58. | :14:06. | |
seriously. The same things were said when Churchill warned against | :14:06. | :14:11. | |
Hitler. People said, he doesn't mean it, it is just for domestic | :14:11. | :14:16. | |
purposes. It is just rhetoric. I think we have to take it very | :14:16. | :14:26. | |
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seriously. Here, the president found a platform in London on and made | :14:26. | :14:33. | |
much of Iran's alliance with Hezbollah. But to one US diplomat, | :14:33. | :14:39. | |
the closer he looked at Ahmadinejad, the less there really was. | :14:39. | :14:46. | |
I really do believe that he has taken him far more seriously than he | :14:46. | :14:56. | |
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deserves and he loves it. He loves being I don't think it counts for | :14:59. | :15:08. | |
very much in the Irani and policies. During the Ahmadinejad years, Ryan | :15:08. | :15:14. | |
Crocker led the gradations with the Islamic Republic. I served as an | :15:14. | :15:21. | |
ambassador to Lebanon and I think I have some sense of how policy is | :15:21. | :15:30. | |
formulated and executed in Syria as well as in Lebanon. The policy is in | :15:30. | :15:39. | |
the hands of the Iranian Revolutionary guard force with | :15:39. | :15:45. | |
General Soleimani, of course, reporting directly to the supreme | :15:45. | :15:55. | |
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Mahmoud Ahmadinejad needed to find ways to build up his profile. His | :16:08. | :16:13. | |
most reliable technique was to provoke the United States, or better | :16:13. | :16:23. | |
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Notice the handshake with the police Here, the president enjoys posting | :16:37. | :16:47. | |
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and American wrestling team in Tehran, and make In 2006, he decided | :16:51. | :16:58. | |
to send an 18 page letter to President Bush. My recollection is | :16:58. | :17:02. | |
that it was a rambling letter. When the question came up, shall we reply | :17:02. | :17:07. | |
to the letter, one of the questions is that it is hard to know what to | :17:07. | :17:17. | |
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reply to. It was a rambling stream This was a man who was already | :17:18. | :17:23. | |
embodying policies that were very abhorrent to us and the rest of the | :17:23. | :17:26. | |
international community, so our response was to try and respond to | :17:26. | :17:31. | |
the letter by speaking to the Irani and people, and President Bush did | :17:31. | :17:41. | |
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that on several occasions. -- Irani and people. It was the Irani and | :17:42. | :17:49. | |
President to read the letter. I always complain to Americans that | :17:49. | :17:54. | |
they made a big mistake. He was the president and he took the | :17:54. | :17:59. | |
initiative. He came to you and you should have responded. You should | :17:59. | :18:06. | |
not have humiliated him. Ahmadinejad never appeared to suffer | :18:06. | :18:12. | |
from humiliation or doubt. The greater the controversy, the bigger | :18:12. | :18:22. | |
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During his 2009 reelection campaign, Ahmadinejad tried to present himself | :18:28. | :18:38. | |
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around his house. He even did the gardening. He ran for reelection as | :18:55. | :19:05. | |
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a populist and an Irani and Mousavi. But that year, many Irani | :19:37. | :19:42. | |
and were up to something more profound. The opposition Green | :19:43. | :19:52. | |
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Movement and its leaders wanted real reform. We want freedom. We want | :19:54. | :20:03. | |
freedom. But the supreme leader did not. He ruled that Ahmadinejad had | :20:03. | :20:13. | |
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won the reelection. The leader's forces crushed opposition protests. | :20:17. | :20:26. | |
Ayatollah Khomeini made sure that Ahmadinejad got his second term. But | :20:26. | :20:29. | |
that the endorsement ceremony, the two men could barely organise a | :20:29. | :20:38. | |
simple embrace. At the start of his second term, Ahmadinejad decided to | :20:38. | :20:44. | |
take the most dangerous decision of his presidency. He would defy his | :20:44. | :20:54. | |
own supreme leader. He completely changed in 2009, because he realised | :20:54. | :21:04. | |
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that he needed the support of the people. He has no resemblance to the | :21:08. | :21:13. | |
man who became the mayor of Tehran and then a president of Iran. | :21:13. | :21:21. | |
Everything changed. His defiance began with his decision to appoint | :21:21. | :21:29. | |
his close friend Esfandiar Rahim Mashaei as vice president. Clerics | :21:29. | :21:33. | |
use Esfandiar Rahim Mashaei as a threat. -- reviewed Esfandiar Rahim | :21:34. | :21:37. | |
Mashaei as a threat. They believed he wanted to subvert the system of | :21:38. | :21:42. | |
religious rule in Iran. The Ayatollah vetoed Esfandiar Rahim | :21:42. | :21:52. | |
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Mashaei's appointment. He began to go after Ahmadinejad's supporters. | :21:52. | :22:02. | |
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That year, Ahmadinejad family fronts -- a family friend of the | :22:04. | :22:08. | |
Ahmadinejad family was arrested. Some new and surprising arrivals | :22:08. | :22:16. | |
were noticed. I figured out that these people were supporters of | :22:16. | :22:26. | |
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Ahmadinejad and they have been They were surprised to be in prison | :22:30. | :22:35. | |
because they were supporters of Ahmadinejad. During his second term, | :22:35. | :22:39. | |
Ahmadinejad found that he was the president and leader of the | :22:39. | :22:49. | |
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opposition to declare acts. -- to the clerics. As far himself. We have | :23:01. | :23:11. | |
been told that Ahmadinejad asked to free the political prisoners and | :23:11. | :23:15. | |
remove the house arrest of the opposition leader. We do not know. | :23:15. | :23:25. | |
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Is that right or wrong? Said of the man elected as a loyal -- so could | :23:26. | :23:35. | |
the man elected as a loyal conservative... I do not for a | :23:36. | :23:40. | |
moment by the notion that Ahmadinejad is a secret reformist | :23:40. | :23:48. | |
standing steadfast against these wild eyed clerics. It is hard to see | :23:48. | :23:52. | |
Ahmadinejad in the wild eyed department. His statements make | :23:52. | :24:02. | |
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to question the president directly. and with the supreme leader. What | :24:19. | :24:29. | |
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would you say you have achieved in Mahmoud He provoked the West and the | :25:10. | :25:20. | |
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clerics, but he won without a fight. Long-lived Ghana. Long live Africa. | :25:22. | :25:32. | |
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