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Boris Johnson loves playing games. | 0:00:07 | 0:00:10 | |
Using a warped wooden racquet, the London Mayor plays doubles with his siblings. | 0:00:10 | 0:00:15 | |
Oh, yes! Oh, yes. | 0:00:15 | 0:00:18 | |
One is an eco-businessman. | 0:00:18 | 0:00:21 | |
One is a Tory MP. | 0:00:21 | 0:00:23 | |
And the third is a mischievous journalist. | 0:00:23 | 0:00:26 | |
Boris Johnson is a formidable and unorthodox competitor. | 0:00:31 | 0:00:35 | |
Gotcha! | 0:00:35 | 0:00:37 | |
CHEERING | 0:00:37 | 0:00:38 | |
Yeah, I like it. | 0:00:38 | 0:00:40 | |
His love of life has helped make him the country's most popular politician. | 0:00:40 | 0:00:44 | |
Stand clear of the gates! | 0:00:44 | 0:00:46 | |
At Private Eye we call him "Beano Boris" because he's a character from an old-fashioned cartoon strip. | 0:00:46 | 0:00:51 | |
Everything's "cripes" and "blimey" and "chaps" and "phwoar". | 0:00:51 | 0:00:53 | |
But those who know him claim there are at least two different Boris Johnsons. | 0:00:53 | 0:00:58 | |
He's a sly fox disguised as a teddy bear. | 0:00:59 | 0:01:02 | |
Behind the clown mask is said to lurk a deadly serious political operator - | 0:01:02 | 0:01:08 | |
determined to get to the top, despite his colourful private life. | 0:01:08 | 0:01:12 | |
He said have you got any advice, and I said, "Yes, lock up your willy." | 0:01:12 | 0:01:18 | |
This film examines what really makes Boris tick, | 0:01:18 | 0:01:21 | |
whether he is a man to trust and whether he could replace his fellow Etonian at Number 10. | 0:01:21 | 0:01:26 | |
He knows that life is a competition and he always wants to be top. | 0:01:26 | 0:01:31 | |
And Boris Johnson speaks more candidly in this film about his | 0:01:31 | 0:01:35 | |
chances of grabbing the top job than he has ever done before. | 0:01:35 | 0:01:38 | |
This programme was such a bad idea. | 0:01:38 | 0:01:41 | |
This is Boris Johnson age five paddling his own canoe in the river | 0:01:51 | 0:01:56 | |
that runs through the family farm in Somerset. | 0:01:56 | 0:02:00 | |
There was no evidence then of the modern obsession with health and safety. | 0:02:00 | 0:02:04 | |
The Eton and Oxford-educated Mayor of London has routinely broken the conventional | 0:02:07 | 0:02:12 | |
rules of politics - and often found himself in deeply troubled waters. | 0:02:12 | 0:02:18 | |
But though he had a pedigree English education - Boris Johnson has an | 0:02:18 | 0:02:23 | |
exotic mongrel background. | 0:02:23 | 0:02:25 | |
My brothers and sisters and me, we're like the honey you used to get | 0:02:29 | 0:02:33 | |
that said "produce of more than one country", you know, we're all... | 0:02:33 | 0:02:38 | |
We're from all over the place, so we've got, er, | 0:02:38 | 0:02:41 | |
Turkish, German, French, Russian, | 0:02:41 | 0:02:46 | |
international Jewry, you know, you know, the lot. | 0:02:46 | 0:02:50 | |
The blond gene which is so strong in the prolific Johnson clan - | 0:02:50 | 0:02:54 | |
is thought to come from a flaxen-haired slave girl whom one his ancestors married. | 0:02:54 | 0:02:58 | |
Boris Johnson's great grandfather was a Turkish journalist and | 0:02:58 | 0:03:02 | |
politician assassinated by a nationalist mob. | 0:03:02 | 0:03:06 | |
His mother is a painter and his father an environmentalist who once worked for MI6. | 0:03:06 | 0:03:12 | |
The Johnsons were living in New York when Boris was born. | 0:03:12 | 0:03:17 | |
I wasn't actually present at the birth, though I'd been hanging | 0:03:17 | 0:03:20 | |
in there for a long time. I popped out to get a pizza, | 0:03:20 | 0:03:23 | |
as one does, and when I came back the baby had been born. | 0:03:23 | 0:03:26 | |
Boris was a champion when he was born, because not only was | 0:03:26 | 0:03:29 | |
he very big, looked as though he was ready for prep school, | 0:03:29 | 0:03:32 | |
but he had thick yellow hair, it was most extraordinary. | 0:03:32 | 0:03:35 | |
It was the time when the Beatles had just arrived in New York. | 0:03:35 | 0:03:39 | |
So he got called the blond Beatle and all the mothers | 0:03:39 | 0:03:43 | |
who were expecting babies, and to have them in that hospital, were brought in to see the blond Beatle. | 0:03:43 | 0:03:48 | |
Boris was the first of numerous Johnson children who grew up in a super-competitive household. | 0:03:49 | 0:03:55 | |
Boris Johnson says it was all sparked off by the birth of his sister Rachel. | 0:03:55 | 0:03:59 | |
I shall never forget the expression of Boris's face when he arrived at the hospital, | 0:04:01 | 0:04:06 | |
and saw me holding a new baby. | 0:04:06 | 0:04:09 | |
The expression on his face was indescribable, | 0:04:09 | 0:04:13 | |
but one of shock, disbelief, and fear. | 0:04:13 | 0:04:19 | |
My life was one of blameless panda-like passivity until my younger sister arrived 18 months later. | 0:04:19 | 0:04:26 | |
There I was, you know, everything, I had everything an 18-month-year-old | 0:04:26 | 0:04:32 | |
could possibly desire and suddenly | 0:04:32 | 0:04:35 | |
I found that I had this competition in the form of Rachel. | 0:04:35 | 0:04:39 | |
And it was necessary to exert myself | 0:04:39 | 0:04:41 | |
for food, for attention, for everything else. | 0:04:41 | 0:04:44 | |
I learned to read before he did and this gave him a huge kick up the pants, because my grandmother, | 0:04:44 | 0:04:52 | |
my paternal grandmother, used to... ask me to read out Times leaders | 0:04:52 | 0:04:55 | |
when I was four, and would then turn to him and say, "She reads much better than you". | 0:04:55 | 0:04:59 | |
So he's always been a competitor, right from the age of 14 months. | 0:04:59 | 0:05:04 | |
He knows that life is a competition and he wants, always wants to be top. | 0:05:04 | 0:05:11 | |
Boris seemed to have inherited his competitive gene and his blond hair from his father. | 0:05:16 | 0:05:22 | |
But he also has some of his mother's more artistic side - | 0:05:22 | 0:05:25 | |
he remains an accomplished painter. | 0:05:25 | 0:05:28 | |
This is a self-portrait Boris Johnson did when he was just twelve. | 0:05:28 | 0:05:32 | |
Whenever anyone asked him what he wanted to be, he would answer, world king. That is true. | 0:05:32 | 0:05:39 | |
And that's what he thought, he thought that was a job | 0:05:39 | 0:05:42 | |
that he could do and he would fulfil every criterion. | 0:05:42 | 0:05:45 | |
The early life of Boris and his three siblings was one that was constantly on the move. | 0:05:48 | 0:05:54 | |
As an environmental consultant, Stanley Johnson was regularly posted to new places in Europe and America, | 0:05:54 | 0:06:01 | |
and the Johnsons moved house 30 times in 15 years. | 0:06:01 | 0:06:04 | |
It made for what Rachel Johnson describes as a rackety childhood - | 0:06:04 | 0:06:08 | |
made worse when their mother suffered a nervous breakdown and was | 0:06:08 | 0:06:12 | |
away from her four children in hospital for eight months. | 0:06:12 | 0:06:16 | |
When I was in hospital, they became very close to each other because we | 0:06:18 | 0:06:22 | |
had a series of dotty nannies and housekeepers looking after them, and | 0:06:22 | 0:06:26 | |
they grew very close to each other and very protective of each other. | 0:06:26 | 0:06:30 | |
Boris was always very protective of the younger children. | 0:06:30 | 0:06:33 | |
Boris was sent to Eton on a scholarship aged 13. | 0:06:36 | 0:06:38 | |
SINGING | 0:06:38 | 0:06:41 | |
The school has produced a third of Britain's prime ministers, including | 0:06:48 | 0:06:53 | |
the current incumbent who was known at Eton as Cameron Minor. | 0:06:53 | 0:06:57 | |
I do remember Dave. | 0:06:57 | 0:06:59 | |
I'm fairly certain someone said to me once, "That's Cameron Mi", | 0:06:59 | 0:07:03 | |
and there was this tiny chap, I dimly remember. | 0:07:03 | 0:07:07 | |
Johnson's relationship with Cameron Minor would be a recurrent theme throughout his life. | 0:07:07 | 0:07:12 | |
But at Eton it was Johnson who became the school star. | 0:07:12 | 0:07:17 | |
Boris was clearly somebody out of the ordinary. I mean, he had, always had shaggy hair, | 0:07:17 | 0:07:21 | |
he always had a rather plummy voice, he was always very sort of physical, | 0:07:21 | 0:07:26 | |
a rugger player from an early stage, | 0:07:26 | 0:07:29 | |
he always had great humour and a tremendous drive and seriousness, | 0:07:29 | 0:07:33 | |
which sometimes is belied by the humour but was undoubtedly there. | 0:07:33 | 0:07:39 | |
Do you think that Eton increased your sense of competitiveness? | 0:07:39 | 0:07:44 | |
Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. And that was a good thing. And I'd encourage that. | 0:07:44 | 0:07:50 | |
Boris Johnson was such a tough competitor that he broke his nose | 0:07:50 | 0:07:54 | |
four times on the playing fields of Eton. And he learned on a different | 0:07:54 | 0:07:58 | |
school stage that he could break the conventional rules to his advantage. | 0:07:58 | 0:08:03 | |
It was at Eton he discovered he could make people laugh. | 0:08:03 | 0:08:06 | |
When he was in a French play, and he had to recite Moliere and | 0:08:06 | 0:08:10 | |
he hadn't bothered to learn his lines and he hid behind a pillar reading them out, | 0:08:10 | 0:08:15 | |
which was obviously much funnier than if he'd learned them | 0:08:15 | 0:08:18 | |
perfectly and had stood on the stage and declaimed them. | 0:08:18 | 0:08:21 | |
Do you think that you, you learned something for later life from acting | 0:08:21 | 0:08:26 | |
in plays at Eton, that you could actually get more laughs by looking | 0:08:26 | 0:08:30 | |
as if you don't know your lines than actually remembering them? | 0:08:30 | 0:08:33 | |
Well, I certainly think that as a general tactic in life, | 0:08:33 | 0:08:38 | |
if that's what you're driving at, | 0:08:38 | 0:08:41 | |
it is, it is often useful to give the slight impression that you | 0:08:41 | 0:08:45 | |
are deliberately pretending not to know what is going on, | 0:08:45 | 0:08:49 | |
because the reality may be that you don't know what is going on but | 0:08:49 | 0:08:53 | |
people won't be able to tell the difference. | 0:08:53 | 0:08:56 | |
This is why he's dementing for other politicians, because they're all to | 0:08:56 | 0:09:01 | |
an extent playing the part assigned to them by the party, you know, | 0:09:01 | 0:09:05 | |
you have to be loyal, you have to be a good Tory. | 0:09:05 | 0:09:08 | |
Boris has realised quite early on that he would go further if he broke all those rules, | 0:09:08 | 0:09:13 | |
and people would love him even more, | 0:09:13 | 0:09:16 | |
which is brilliant, genius piece of casting. | 0:09:16 | 0:09:18 | |
While he was at Eton, Boris Johnson learned that his mother and father were breaking up | 0:09:21 | 0:09:27 | |
and they were getting divorced. | 0:09:27 | 0:09:29 | |
I often thought that his being world king | 0:09:29 | 0:09:33 | |
was a wish to make himself unhurtable, invincible, | 0:09:33 | 0:09:37 | |
somehow safe from the pains of life, | 0:09:37 | 0:09:40 | |
the pains of your mother disappearing for eight months, | 0:09:40 | 0:09:44 | |
the pains of your parents splitting up. | 0:09:44 | 0:09:47 | |
It was at Eton that the would-be world king learned to play by his own rules. | 0:09:50 | 0:09:56 | |
When he was 18, his house master wrote, "I think Boris honestly | 0:09:56 | 0:09:59 | |
"believes it is churlish of us not to regard him as an exception - | 0:09:59 | 0:10:03 | |
"one who should be free of the network of obligation that binds everyone else." | 0:10:03 | 0:10:08 | |
Johnson was elected a member of Eton's elite group which could wear its own fancy waistcoats | 0:10:10 | 0:10:14 | |
and he was made Captain of the school. | 0:10:14 | 0:10:17 | |
The fact that David Cameron didn't achieve either honour | 0:10:17 | 0:10:20 | |
is something he's often privately reminded of by Johnson. | 0:10:20 | 0:10:23 | |
I remember at the end of school you write message with photographs, | 0:10:26 | 0:10:29 | |
so-called leavers, you send them to your friends, and I can actually remember what I wrote to him. | 0:10:29 | 0:10:34 | |
He wasn't one of the great characters of Eton, he's one of the great characters of Eton history. | 0:10:34 | 0:10:38 | |
When the 18-year-old Boris left Eton he posted this picture of | 0:10:40 | 0:10:44 | |
himself in the leaving book and underneath it he wrote that his next | 0:10:44 | 0:10:48 | |
ambition was "to achieve more notches on my phallocratic phallus", | 0:10:48 | 0:10:52 | |
in other words his almighty male organ. | 0:10:52 | 0:10:56 | |
Johnson had won an Oxford scholarship to study Classics. | 0:10:59 | 0:11:03 | |
And he was determined to grab more of life's glittering prizes. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:08 | |
..There being 167 votes | 0:11:08 | 0:11:12 | |
in favour of the motion | 0:11:12 | 0:11:17 | |
and 85 against, | 0:11:17 | 0:11:20 | |
I declare the motion overwhelmingly carried | 0:11:20 | 0:11:24 | |
and I close the house at 12:18 am. | 0:11:24 | 0:11:26 | |
Johnson was elected President of the Oxford Union in his third year. | 0:11:28 | 0:11:33 | |
The university's famed debating society was known as the playground of power. | 0:11:33 | 0:11:39 | |
Many of its presidents would go on to become Prime Ministers. | 0:11:39 | 0:11:43 | |
But Johnson's path to the top had not been smooth - | 0:11:43 | 0:11:47 | |
he had developed what he called Tory tendencies. | 0:11:47 | 0:11:51 | |
And when he first stood for the presidency his political opponents | 0:11:51 | 0:11:55 | |
depicted him as a right wing Old Etonian toff who thought he was born to rule. | 0:11:55 | 0:11:59 | |
As the polls closed he went to find the result. | 0:12:01 | 0:12:05 | |
When I got there it was pretty clear that I wasn't going to win. | 0:12:07 | 0:12:10 | |
And... I tell you, it was like all harrowing and shattering defeats, | 0:12:10 | 0:12:16 | |
it was very good for me, it was, it was just what the doctor ordered. | 0:12:16 | 0:12:21 | |
Boris would later develop his skill at putting on a brave face into an art form. | 0:12:21 | 0:12:27 | |
He was visited in his college rooms by his mother, his two brothers | 0:12:27 | 0:12:34 | |
and his sister Rachel who was now also at Oxford. | 0:12:34 | 0:12:37 | |
He decided that the only way he could win the Union presidency was by broadening his political base. | 0:12:37 | 0:12:43 | |
And the party making all the running was the SDP, the newly formed Centre-Left party. | 0:12:43 | 0:12:49 | |
The SDP were in search of a candidate, and it would be, | 0:12:49 | 0:12:53 | |
it would be fair to say that whilst I never | 0:12:53 | 0:12:55 | |
identified myself as a supporter of the SDP, | 0:12:55 | 0:12:59 | |
when asked if I would accept SDP support I did not demur. | 0:12:59 | 0:13:04 | |
In other words - yeah, you know. | 0:13:04 | 0:13:08 | |
Boris was a political chameleon. | 0:13:08 | 0:13:10 | |
I think he was almost like a blank screen | 0:13:10 | 0:13:13 | |
in which people could project their own political views. | 0:13:13 | 0:13:16 | |
From his point of view he didn't need to be party political, | 0:13:16 | 0:13:20 | |
if he wanted to be elected President of the Union he did not want to alienate anybody, | 0:13:20 | 0:13:24 | |
so he allowed people to think whatever they wanted to think, that was pretty smart. | 0:13:24 | 0:13:28 | |
He was exactly as you see him now, you know, | 0:13:28 | 0:13:31 | |
charming, ruthless, er, single-minded, determined, | 0:13:31 | 0:13:35 | |
he wanted to be President of the Union and he got there. | 0:13:35 | 0:13:38 | |
Johnson had become President by appealing across party lines - | 0:13:38 | 0:13:43 | |
a skill that would later serve him well. | 0:13:43 | 0:13:46 | |
He'd also been elected to Oxford's most secretive elite group - the notorious Bullingdon Club. | 0:13:46 | 0:13:52 | |
The all-male dining society's members included David Cameron, | 0:13:52 | 0:13:56 | |
who has long wanted this photo to disappear. | 0:13:56 | 0:14:00 | |
Members of the Buller feel bound by strict vows of omerta and normally refuse to speak | 0:14:00 | 0:14:05 | |
publicly about the Club. | 0:14:05 | 0:14:07 | |
Ah, yes. I congratulate you on defying the censors and bringing this | 0:14:07 | 0:14:12 | |
appalling image once again before public view. | 0:14:12 | 0:14:16 | |
It is a truly shameful vignette of almost superhuman undergraduate, er, arrogance | 0:14:16 | 0:14:23 | |
and toffishness and twittishness, | 0:14:23 | 0:14:25 | |
I suppose, but you know, it was great fun at the time. | 0:14:25 | 0:14:29 | |
Er, or was it? Actually, | 0:14:29 | 0:14:31 | |
the awful truth about all that business was you kind of felt very, er, posh... | 0:14:31 | 0:14:37 | |
you felt it was wonderful to be going round swanking this up, | 0:14:37 | 0:14:42 | |
but actually I remember the dinners being incredibly, you know, | 0:14:42 | 0:14:46 | |
drunken and, you know... | 0:14:46 | 0:14:48 | |
Ending up with smashing up restaurants and things? | 0:14:48 | 0:14:51 | |
Well, yes, and the sort of abiding memory, | 0:14:51 | 0:14:54 | |
the abiding feeling was of, of deep, deep, deep self-loathing and you know, what, what... | 0:14:54 | 0:15:00 | |
I've talked to a number of people in the photograph and | 0:15:00 | 0:15:03 | |
they say that when they see you these days you go up to them and say "Buller, Buller, Buller!" | 0:15:03 | 0:15:07 | |
Right, do they? | 0:15:07 | 0:15:09 | |
Yes, they do. | 0:15:09 | 0:15:12 | |
It may be that I do, in a satirical way. | 0:15:12 | 0:15:14 | |
In his public role as President of the Union Johnson had become one of | 0:15:14 | 0:15:19 | |
the best known figures in the university. | 0:15:19 | 0:15:22 | |
I was editor of the Daily Telegraph | 0:15:22 | 0:15:24 | |
and I went as a guest to join a debate at the Oxford Union, | 0:15:24 | 0:15:27 | |
and there was Boris in all his glory as President of the Union, | 0:15:27 | 0:15:30 | |
his white tie and tails and all the rest of it. | 0:15:30 | 0:15:33 | |
The house will proceed to a division... | 0:15:33 | 0:15:35 | |
It was obvious all the girls were potty about him, nobody was looking at me for two minutes, | 0:15:35 | 0:15:39 | |
they were all looking at Boris. | 0:15:39 | 0:15:41 | |
..honourable members voting against the motion will sit on the benches on my left. | 0:15:41 | 0:15:45 | |
Watching President Boris most closely was his girlfriend Allegra Mostyn-Owen. | 0:15:45 | 0:15:51 | |
She was the student regarded as the great beauty of her day at Oxford. | 0:15:51 | 0:15:55 | |
Allegra had modelled, | 0:15:55 | 0:15:57 | |
she'd been on the cover of magazines, she always was immaculately turned out, and then | 0:15:57 | 0:16:03 | |
standing next to her was this very dishevelled figure of Boris Johnson. | 0:16:03 | 0:16:08 | |
The rumours were that he'd got her to wash and iron his shirts for him, | 0:16:08 | 0:16:12 | |
they didn't appear to have been washed and ironed by anyone. | 0:16:12 | 0:16:16 | |
The couple married soon after they both came down from Oxford. | 0:16:18 | 0:16:22 | |
Boris Johnson had got an upper second in classics, not the first class degree he'd coveted, | 0:16:22 | 0:16:28 | |
and he was disappointed to learn that David Cameron did get a first | 0:16:28 | 0:16:32 | |
in Politics, Philosophy and Economics. | 0:16:32 | 0:16:35 | |
Johnson had become a trainee reporter for the Times. | 0:16:35 | 0:16:38 | |
But after he concocted a quote for an article he wrote about | 0:16:38 | 0:16:42 | |
the Plantagenet King Edward II and his gay lover, The Times let him go. | 0:16:42 | 0:16:47 | |
It was awful, I remember, I remember... | 0:16:47 | 0:16:50 | |
I remember a deep, deep sense of shame and guilt and, | 0:16:50 | 0:16:54 | |
and just not, do you know, | 0:16:54 | 0:16:57 | |
just not knowing how to, to sort it out, | 0:16:57 | 0:16:59 | |
and it was, it was a bit of a bummer, frankly. | 0:16:59 | 0:17:02 | |
But not for the only time Johnson fell on his feet. | 0:17:04 | 0:17:07 | |
He managed to move down river to another job at the Daily Telegraph. | 0:17:07 | 0:17:10 | |
Its editor Max Hastings, whom Boris had cannily invited to speak | 0:17:10 | 0:17:14 | |
at the Oxford Union, made him the paper's man in Brussels. | 0:17:14 | 0:17:19 | |
We realised that Boris was very bright, we wanted somebody | 0:17:19 | 0:17:23 | |
punchy, aggressive, original in Brussels to really get onto | 0:17:23 | 0:17:27 | |
the whole EU issue, which was then really becoming | 0:17:27 | 0:17:30 | |
very big stuff in British politics, | 0:17:30 | 0:17:32 | |
and we just looked around for our brightest and available young man, | 0:17:32 | 0:17:36 | |
and Boris looked like it, and he did not disappoint our hopes. | 0:17:36 | 0:17:41 | |
The multi-lingual Johnson became a Eurosceptic reporter. | 0:17:57 | 0:18:01 | |
He ridiculed the Brussels Commission with his gift for a phrase | 0:18:01 | 0:18:05 | |
and his nose for a good story. | 0:18:05 | 0:18:07 | |
From Euro-manure to one size fits all condoms, | 0:18:12 | 0:18:15 | |
little escaped Johnson's eye. | 0:18:15 | 0:18:17 | |
A number of the EU correspondents I've talked to | 0:18:21 | 0:18:24 | |
said that you would take stories with a grain of truth | 0:18:24 | 0:18:27 | |
and then hype it up and hype it up almost beyond recognition. | 0:18:27 | 0:18:31 | |
Well, I mean, you know, | 0:18:31 | 0:18:32 | |
I think there's a bit of pots and kettles going on there. | 0:18:32 | 0:18:36 | |
Yes, there were one or two stories which perhaps in retrospect | 0:18:36 | 0:18:40 | |
either because you'd slightly miscued the story yourself | 0:18:40 | 0:18:44 | |
or because it got souped up in some way in its projection | 0:18:44 | 0:18:47 | |
and, you know, the thing was a little bit overegged or whatever. | 0:18:47 | 0:18:50 | |
I think I once said that the Berlaymont was going to be blown up, | 0:18:50 | 0:18:54 | |
which didn't turn out to be quite true. | 0:18:54 | 0:18:56 | |
The Berlaymont, the headquarters of the Brussels Commission, | 0:18:56 | 0:18:59 | |
is still standing. But Johnson's growing Euroscepticism | 0:18:59 | 0:19:02 | |
would help shape his own political future. | 0:19:02 | 0:19:07 | |
Yet just as his Brussels reports were making his name, | 0:19:07 | 0:19:11 | |
a story linked to his Oxford past came back to haunt him. | 0:19:11 | 0:19:15 | |
It involved a fellow Bullingdon Club member, Darius Guppy, | 0:19:18 | 0:19:21 | |
a long time friend of Johnson | 0:19:21 | 0:19:23 | |
from their days at Eton and Oxford together. | 0:19:23 | 0:19:26 | |
We did have a serious embarrassment with Boris | 0:19:26 | 0:19:29 | |
when he was in Brussels when one fine morning, er, on my desk | 0:19:29 | 0:19:33 | |
along with the post I find a tape and a note from a reader | 0:19:33 | 0:19:37 | |
who was saying, "What are you as editor in chief | 0:19:37 | 0:19:40 | |
"of the Daily Telegraph proposing to do | 0:19:40 | 0:19:43 | |
"about one of your correspondents, Boris Johnson, | 0:19:43 | 0:19:46 | |
"having this conversation with Darius Guppy, a convicted fraudster?" | 0:19:46 | 0:19:50 | |
The tape was a recording of Guppy telephoning to ask Johnson | 0:19:50 | 0:19:54 | |
to find the home address of an inquisitive journalist, | 0:19:54 | 0:19:57 | |
whom Guppy wanted to scare off. | 0:19:57 | 0:20:00 | |
20 years on, we filmed for the first time | 0:20:00 | 0:20:02 | |
Johnson listening to extracts from the tape. | 0:20:02 | 0:20:05 | |
'But I am telling you something, Boris, | 0:20:07 | 0:20:09 | |
'this guy has got my blood up, all right? And there is nothing | 0:20:09 | 0:20:13 | |
'which I won't do to get my revenge, it's as simple as that.' | 0:20:13 | 0:20:16 | |
'How badly are you going to hurt this guy?' | 0:20:16 | 0:20:19 | |
'Not badly at all. | 0:20:19 | 0:20:21 | |
'He will not have a broken limb or broken arm. | 0:20:21 | 0:20:24 | |
'He will not be put into intensive care or anything like that. | 0:20:24 | 0:20:27 | |
'He will probably get a couple of black eyes and a cracked rib. | 0:20:27 | 0:20:33 | |
'Nothing which you didn't suffer at rugby, OK? | 0:20:33 | 0:20:36 | |
'But he'll get scared and that's what I want him to do.' | 0:20:36 | 0:20:38 | |
'OK, Darry, I've said I'll do it, I'll do it, don't worry.' | 0:20:38 | 0:20:41 | |
'Boris, I really mean it, I love you.' | 0:20:41 | 0:20:43 | |
Yes, er, taken out of context | 0:20:44 | 0:20:47 | |
that conversation could indeed seem embarrassing, I... | 0:20:47 | 0:20:52 | |
But it's completely in context. | 0:20:52 | 0:20:55 | |
The reality is nothing eventuated from that conversation, | 0:20:55 | 0:20:59 | |
it is perfectly true... | 0:20:59 | 0:21:01 | |
But the point is you didn't demur when he said this, | 0:21:01 | 0:21:04 | |
this guy will be beaten up and a couple of broken ribs and so on. | 0:21:04 | 0:21:10 | |
This is a friend of yours who wants the details of a journalist | 0:21:10 | 0:21:15 | |
who's making his life a misery | 0:21:15 | 0:21:17 | |
and you said you would get the address and so on. | 0:21:17 | 0:21:20 | |
Well... | 0:21:20 | 0:21:21 | |
-"I said I'd do it, Darius, I'll do it." -Yeah. | 0:21:21 | 0:21:24 | |
Er, nothing eventuated from that conversation. | 0:21:24 | 0:21:27 | |
It was, you know, what can I say, nobody... | 0:21:27 | 0:21:31 | |
What do you feel hearing it again now, because you were laughing. | 0:21:31 | 0:21:34 | |
Well, obviously I feel indignation | 0:21:34 | 0:21:37 | |
that people taped my private phone calls, that's what I feel. | 0:21:37 | 0:21:40 | |
And I feel what a load of old cobblers, that's what I feel. | 0:21:40 | 0:21:45 | |
15 years ago, | 0:21:45 | 0:21:46 | |
the Guppy tape drew Johnson straight into an elephant trap. | 0:21:46 | 0:21:50 | |
Boris was caught on tape as well. | 0:21:50 | 0:21:53 | |
Ha, ha, ha, ha, richly comic. Yes. | 0:21:53 | 0:21:55 | |
Boris was on tape talking to Darius Guppy. | 0:21:55 | 0:21:59 | |
A very great man, | 0:21:59 | 0:22:01 | |
I don't want to be totally stitched up here. | 0:22:01 | 0:22:04 | |
What you want and what you don't want... | 0:22:04 | 0:22:06 | |
No, he was a school friend, wasn't he? | 0:22:06 | 0:22:08 | |
And a great chap. | 0:22:08 | 0:22:09 | |
A great chap despite being a convicted fraudster. | 0:22:09 | 0:22:12 | |
Convicted fraudster, went very sadly wrong. Major goof. | 0:22:12 | 0:22:17 | |
And one of the ways he went wrong is ringing you up on tape | 0:22:17 | 0:22:19 | |
and suggesting you help him beat up a journalist who was looking into him. | 0:22:19 | 0:22:24 | |
That did come up. | 0:22:24 | 0:22:26 | |
I won't deny that did come up. I'm not ashamed of it. | 0:22:28 | 0:22:31 | |
What are you not ashamed of, Boris? | 0:22:31 | 0:22:33 | |
Whatever there is not be ashamed of. | 0:22:33 | 0:22:37 | |
Boris had bumbled so endearingly | 0:22:37 | 0:22:40 | |
that he became a regular on Have I got News for You. | 0:22:40 | 0:22:43 | |
There is a sense of guilt that part of Boris's success has been built | 0:22:43 | 0:22:47 | |
on his performances on that show, and I know Paul feels very ambivalent | 0:22:47 | 0:22:53 | |
about whether he should feel proud about helping this man | 0:22:53 | 0:22:56 | |
to become Mayor, let alone the next Prime Minister | 0:22:56 | 0:22:59 | |
or whatever fate we've got coming for us. | 0:22:59 | 0:23:01 | |
Boris Johnson survived the Guppy incident | 0:23:09 | 0:23:12 | |
when Max Hastings let him off with a severe warning to behave himself. | 0:23:12 | 0:23:16 | |
He'd returned to London as the Telegraph's star political columnist | 0:23:16 | 0:23:20 | |
and was much in demand on celebrity TV. | 0:23:20 | 0:23:22 | |
Johnson so impressed Conrad Black, | 0:23:29 | 0:23:32 | |
the notorious Telegraph Group proprietor, | 0:23:32 | 0:23:34 | |
that he made him editor of the Spectator. | 0:23:34 | 0:23:36 | |
Johnson promised he would not seek to become an MP while he was editor, | 0:23:36 | 0:23:41 | |
but he almost immediately broke his word to Black's fury. | 0:23:41 | 0:23:45 | |
Boris is a scoundrel. | 0:23:45 | 0:23:48 | |
I said to him, "You just can't do this. I mean, not to us, anyway." | 0:23:48 | 0:23:52 | |
So we kind of took that as the cue that, yes, he could go on and be | 0:23:54 | 0:23:58 | |
as devious as he wanted as long as we weren't the victims of it, you see. | 0:23:58 | 0:24:03 | |
Boris had married Marina Wheeler | 0:24:04 | 0:24:07 | |
after his first marriage had broken down. | 0:24:07 | 0:24:10 | |
She was a successful left wing lawyer who didn't share | 0:24:10 | 0:24:13 | |
her husband's love of the limelight. | 0:24:13 | 0:24:16 | |
But she put in a rare public appearance when Johnson was selected | 0:24:16 | 0:24:20 | |
as the Tory candidate for the safe seat of Henley on Thames. | 0:24:20 | 0:24:23 | |
I'm amazed, bowled over and thrilled beyond my wildest dreams. | 0:24:23 | 0:24:29 | |
Thank you, Marina, for turning up... | 0:24:29 | 0:24:33 | |
Johnson duly won Henley in the 2001 general election | 0:24:33 | 0:24:37 | |
which saw David Cameron also become an MP | 0:24:37 | 0:24:40 | |
for a nearby seat in Oxfordshire. | 0:24:40 | 0:24:43 | |
Both men were quickly marked out as Tories to watch. | 0:24:43 | 0:24:47 | |
Johnson, who was 37, continued to edit The Spectator | 0:24:47 | 0:24:51 | |
even when he was promoted to being a junior shadow minister. | 0:24:51 | 0:24:55 | |
He characteristically believed he could get the best of both worlds. | 0:24:55 | 0:24:59 | |
Well, I said my policy on cake was pro having it and pro eating it. | 0:24:59 | 0:25:03 | |
I did a kind of circus act | 0:25:03 | 0:25:06 | |
where I had these two ponies | 0:25:06 | 0:25:10 | |
and gradually they got further and further apart | 0:25:10 | 0:25:13 | |
and with inevitable results. | 0:25:13 | 0:25:16 | |
Johnson found himself regularly in trouble | 0:25:18 | 0:25:21 | |
when his mischief-making Spectator articles | 0:25:21 | 0:25:24 | |
were taken to be official Tory policy. | 0:25:24 | 0:25:26 | |
On top of that the tabloids reported he was having | 0:25:26 | 0:25:29 | |
a long-term love affair with Petronella Wyatt, | 0:25:29 | 0:25:32 | |
who was one of his staff. | 0:25:32 | 0:25:34 | |
Johnson dismissed the reports as an inverted pyramid of piffle | 0:25:35 | 0:25:39 | |
and arrived at a Spectator awards lunch. | 0:25:39 | 0:25:42 | |
Johnson, I'll collect it in a minute. | 0:25:42 | 0:25:45 | |
The Tory Leader Michael Howard had accepted Johnson's denial | 0:25:45 | 0:25:48 | |
but couldn't resist ribbing his shadow minister. | 0:25:48 | 0:25:51 | |
Well, thank you, thank you very much indeed, | 0:25:51 | 0:25:53 | |
Boris, there is nothing like The Spectator for stirring up | 0:25:53 | 0:25:58 | |
and stimulating political controversy. | 0:25:58 | 0:26:02 | |
Indeed, in all senses of the word it could best be described | 0:26:02 | 0:26:06 | |
as political Viagra. | 0:26:06 | 0:26:09 | |
Keep it up, Boris. | 0:26:10 | 0:26:12 | |
Johnson said, "That's below the belt." | 0:26:12 | 0:26:15 | |
Two days later came confirmation of the affair. | 0:26:17 | 0:26:20 | |
And Michael Howard sacked Johnson for lying to him. | 0:26:21 | 0:26:26 | |
I don't, if it's all right with you, wish to... | 0:26:27 | 0:26:31 | |
And I understand why you have to bring all this sort of thing up. | 0:26:31 | 0:26:34 | |
I don't particularly want to get into stuff | 0:26:34 | 0:26:36 | |
which is done and dusted and very largely concerns my private life. | 0:26:36 | 0:26:40 | |
Well, very largely concerns, | 0:26:40 | 0:26:42 | |
but it's also a political thing, because as a result of this | 0:26:42 | 0:26:45 | |
you were forced to resign from the front bench. | 0:26:45 | 0:26:48 | |
Whoa, I was sacked. | 0:26:48 | 0:26:50 | |
Let's be clear, I was sacked. | 0:26:50 | 0:26:52 | |
-Let's not muck... I said, "Sack me, or sack me." -Yeah. | 0:26:52 | 0:26:57 | |
-And he sacked you. -Yeah. | 0:26:57 | 0:27:01 | |
I suppose in a way you made it worse for yourself. | 0:27:01 | 0:27:03 | |
Because you had publicly said that these stories about this love affair | 0:27:03 | 0:27:09 | |
were an inverted pyramid of piffle, which you said with | 0:27:09 | 0:27:12 | |
your characteristically inventive language, | 0:27:12 | 0:27:15 | |
and then it turned out to be true. | 0:27:15 | 0:27:18 | |
So can you see why people don't necessarily always feel | 0:27:18 | 0:27:23 | |
they can take you at your word? | 0:27:23 | 0:27:25 | |
All that kind of thing, which as I say, | 0:27:25 | 0:27:27 | |
very largely concerns my private life, has been the subject | 0:27:27 | 0:27:32 | |
of exhaustive questioning put to me over many years. | 0:27:32 | 0:27:36 | |
I had to leave The Spectator one way or another. | 0:27:36 | 0:27:40 | |
All that turned out for the best, in my view. | 0:27:40 | 0:27:44 | |
One of Howard's chief advisers was David Cameron. | 0:27:46 | 0:27:49 | |
And I asked Cameron at the time about Johnson's sacking | 0:27:49 | 0:27:52 | |
in an interview that hasn't been seen before. | 0:27:52 | 0:27:55 | |
Did you think it was a good idea | 0:27:55 | 0:27:57 | |
for Michael Howard to sack Boris Johnson? | 0:27:57 | 0:27:59 | |
I think, I mean, it's obviously... | 0:27:59 | 0:28:01 | |
That's one for him rather than for me, | 0:28:01 | 0:28:04 | |
but I mean, I think there's a very difficult issue | 0:28:04 | 0:28:07 | |
when you've said one thing publicly and then you have to say | 0:28:07 | 0:28:11 | |
something else publicly and even though it's about your private life, | 0:28:11 | 0:28:15 | |
when you're talking to the press it becomes part of your public life | 0:28:15 | 0:28:20 | |
and that's incredibly tough. | 0:28:20 | 0:28:22 | |
But I think that is something that, you know, | 0:28:22 | 0:28:24 | |
you've got to deal with in one way or another. | 0:28:24 | 0:28:27 | |
You haven't really answered the question, I mean, you... | 0:28:27 | 0:28:30 | |
Well, the short answer is yes, I think, I think, | 0:28:30 | 0:28:32 | |
you know, that was, you know, | 0:28:32 | 0:28:34 | |
given the circumstances I think that was the right decision, | 0:28:34 | 0:28:36 | |
but, I mean, Boris is a very close friend of mine and colleague | 0:28:36 | 0:28:40 | |
and you know, it was obviously a very tough time for him as well. | 0:28:40 | 0:28:44 | |
Boris, are you going to save your marriage? | 0:28:44 | 0:28:48 | |
I'll do whatever I can... She's locked me out. | 0:28:48 | 0:28:51 | |
Boris was in the doghouse. | 0:28:51 | 0:28:53 | |
His wife kicked him out of the house for three weeks. | 0:28:53 | 0:28:56 | |
I think all is for the best in the best of all possible worlds. | 0:28:56 | 0:29:00 | |
And he was out of a job. He realised his political career had stalled. | 0:29:00 | 0:29:05 | |
And he watched as David Cameron, his Eton and Bullingdon buddy, | 0:29:07 | 0:29:12 | |
dramatically overtook him by winning the Tory Leadership race in 2005. | 0:29:12 | 0:29:17 | |
Cameron excluded Johnson from his inner circle. | 0:29:17 | 0:29:20 | |
While professing loyalty to his new Leader, | 0:29:21 | 0:29:24 | |
at the party conference Boris stole the headlines from Dave. | 0:29:24 | 0:29:29 | |
Johnson, who was soon to have another affair, | 0:29:29 | 0:29:31 | |
exceeded his shadow brief by publicly contradicting Cameron. | 0:29:31 | 0:29:35 | |
What do you do with a problem like Boris? | 0:29:35 | 0:29:38 | |
Boris has strong views about lots of things, I try to get him to stick | 0:29:38 | 0:29:41 | |
to higher education and I think that's probably the right answer. | 0:29:41 | 0:29:44 | |
In fact, it was to turn out that Cameron had other plans | 0:29:48 | 0:29:51 | |
to make use of Boris Johnson's undoubted media celebrity | 0:29:51 | 0:29:54 | |
and public name recognition. | 0:29:54 | 0:29:57 | |
Having failed to find a suitable Tory candidate | 0:29:57 | 0:30:00 | |
to stand for Mayor of London, Cameron sounded Boris out. | 0:30:00 | 0:30:04 | |
Which way is the exit? | 0:30:04 | 0:30:07 | |
I remember when Boris was trying to decide | 0:30:07 | 0:30:09 | |
whether he would run as Mayor of London, and he asked me out to lunch. | 0:30:09 | 0:30:12 | |
I said I thought he should go for it, I thought he could do it | 0:30:12 | 0:30:15 | |
and I thought he'd do it very well, | 0:30:15 | 0:30:17 | |
all of which I think I was right about, | 0:30:17 | 0:30:19 | |
but he said, "Have you got any advice?" | 0:30:19 | 0:30:22 | |
I said, "Yes, lock up your willy." | 0:30:22 | 0:30:23 | |
After some dithering, Johnson decided he would stand for Mayor. | 0:30:25 | 0:30:29 | |
Many people at the time thought it was a hopeless cause. | 0:30:29 | 0:30:32 | |
London was traditionally Labour | 0:30:32 | 0:30:34 | |
and the incumbent Mayor Ken Livingstone | 0:30:34 | 0:30:37 | |
had seemed to make the job his own. | 0:30:37 | 0:30:38 | |
This is an excellent opportunity for London to have someone | 0:30:38 | 0:30:42 | |
who I think can unite Londoners, can inspire Londoners, | 0:30:42 | 0:30:45 | |
and can give leadership to what is one of... | 0:30:45 | 0:30:47 | |
the greatest city in the world and it needs a great leader. | 0:30:47 | 0:30:50 | |
What do you mean, "one of the...?" | 0:30:50 | 0:30:51 | |
-You're quite right. -The greatest city in the world. | 0:30:51 | 0:30:54 | |
London is the greatest city in the world. Sorry, I don't want to interrupt you. | 0:30:54 | 0:30:58 | |
He's making a very good point. | 0:30:58 | 0:30:59 | |
It's a fantastic chance to change the government of London | 0:30:59 | 0:31:03 | |
and to institute a new type and style | 0:31:03 | 0:31:05 | |
of administration in this city. | 0:31:05 | 0:31:07 | |
I recognised immediately he said he was going to run, | 0:31:07 | 0:31:10 | |
this was going to be my most formidable opponent. | 0:31:10 | 0:31:12 | |
Because people laugh at him, you know, I would never miss | 0:31:12 | 0:31:16 | |
Have I Got News For You when he was on, I'd almost fall off the chair. | 0:31:16 | 0:31:19 | |
That's a very powerful quality. | 0:31:19 | 0:31:20 | |
Boris makes people feel good about themselves. | 0:31:22 | 0:31:25 | |
It's an incredibly powerful force to have in politics, | 0:31:25 | 0:31:28 | |
not many people have got that. He therefore can get away with a lot. | 0:31:28 | 0:31:31 | |
Though his popular appeal wasn't in doubt, | 0:31:36 | 0:31:38 | |
his mayoral candidacy raised the key question - | 0:31:38 | 0:31:41 | |
which was the real Boris Johnson? | 0:31:41 | 0:31:44 | |
Was he competent and serious enough to do a big job, | 0:31:44 | 0:31:47 | |
or was just a gaffe-prone joker who flew by the seat of his pants. | 0:31:47 | 0:31:51 | |
He gets up incredibly early and then he will run and have breakfast | 0:31:51 | 0:31:55 | |
and then he'll write a speech and then he'll go to work. | 0:31:55 | 0:31:57 | |
I mean, he's already done a full day's work by eight o'clock. | 0:31:57 | 0:32:01 | |
Because there is this extraordinary sort of contrast | 0:32:03 | 0:32:05 | |
between that sort of drivenness and how he seems to look, | 0:32:05 | 0:32:09 | |
as if he's a shambles. | 0:32:09 | 0:32:11 | |
Yeah, it's very, very clever. | 0:32:11 | 0:32:14 | |
Boris isn't pretending to be chaotic, | 0:32:14 | 0:32:17 | |
he really is utterly chaotic, | 0:32:17 | 0:32:18 | |
and getting Boris to do his expenses or to fill in pieces of paper | 0:32:18 | 0:32:22 | |
or sign forms is an almost impossible task. | 0:32:22 | 0:32:25 | |
He's always been like that and in a way it's a form of... | 0:32:25 | 0:32:29 | |
It's unusual, he's got discipline when he wants to have it, | 0:32:29 | 0:32:32 | |
when he thinks something's important enough, | 0:32:32 | 0:32:34 | |
but if it's something that is going to seriously promote his interests, | 0:32:34 | 0:32:38 | |
Boris will be there at the right time on the right day. | 0:32:38 | 0:32:41 | |
He's a sly fox disguised as a teddy bear. | 0:32:41 | 0:32:45 | |
He's very clever and he's very likeable. | 0:32:45 | 0:32:48 | |
Do you trust him? | 0:32:48 | 0:32:50 | |
Do I trust him not to betray me personally? Yes, I do. | 0:32:50 | 0:32:55 | |
Do I trust him to do everything he says he will do | 0:32:55 | 0:33:01 | |
if doing it subsequent to his promising to do it | 0:33:01 | 0:33:04 | |
gets in the way of the shortest possible distance between where he is | 0:33:04 | 0:33:08 | |
and where his ambition wishes to take him? | 0:33:08 | 0:33:10 | |
No, I do not. | 0:33:10 | 0:33:11 | |
David Cameron was delighted when Johnson beat Livingstone | 0:33:12 | 0:33:16 | |
to become London Mayor in 2008, | 0:33:16 | 0:33:18 | |
as it showed the Tories then still in opposition | 0:33:18 | 0:33:21 | |
could win in a traditional Labour stronghold. | 0:33:21 | 0:33:25 | |
I remember a terrifying sense of responsibility | 0:33:25 | 0:33:29 | |
and the real, real weight of the, you know, sense | 0:33:29 | 0:33:33 | |
that I'd taken on something that was of massive importance | 0:33:33 | 0:33:36 | |
to millions of people and I'd jolly well better get it right. | 0:33:36 | 0:33:40 | |
Johnson regarded his new job as a public audition | 0:33:42 | 0:33:46 | |
for an even higher political stage. | 0:33:46 | 0:33:49 | |
To help project his image, | 0:33:49 | 0:33:51 | |
he appointed a former BBC political reporter as his chief spin-doctor. | 0:33:51 | 0:33:56 | |
Guto Harri has never talked publicly before about his role. | 0:33:56 | 0:34:00 | |
What I thought was that there was a mission there | 0:34:01 | 0:34:04 | |
over four years of taking him from celebrity to statesman, | 0:34:04 | 0:34:08 | |
but crucially without losing the celebrity. | 0:34:08 | 0:34:11 | |
One of Guto Harri's first photocalls for the mayor | 0:34:11 | 0:34:14 | |
was to promote a clean-up of London rivers. | 0:34:14 | 0:34:17 | |
The mayor had made the wrong kind of splash, | 0:34:22 | 0:34:24 | |
one of a number of early pratfalls. | 0:34:24 | 0:34:28 | |
To help fight crime in London, | 0:34:28 | 0:34:30 | |
Johnson had appointed as his deputy mayor Ray Lewis. | 0:34:30 | 0:34:34 | |
He saw Lewis as an inspirational figure with a direct line | 0:34:34 | 0:34:38 | |
to disaffected black youths. | 0:34:38 | 0:34:40 | |
But Lewis came under harsh public scrutiny, | 0:34:40 | 0:34:42 | |
when he was reported to have souped up his CV. | 0:34:42 | 0:34:46 | |
The Mayor was determined to stand by his man. | 0:34:46 | 0:34:49 | |
But in an agonised meeting at City Hall, | 0:34:49 | 0:34:52 | |
with his enemies calling for Lewis's head, | 0:34:52 | 0:34:55 | |
Johnson was reluctantly forced to concede that his deputy mayor | 0:34:55 | 0:34:59 | |
was dead in the water after just eight weeks. | 0:34:59 | 0:35:02 | |
Just tell me the story of when it became clear | 0:35:04 | 0:35:07 | |
Ray Lewis had to go. | 0:35:07 | 0:35:08 | |
Infandum jubes renovare delorem. | 0:35:08 | 0:35:11 | |
You're asking me to go over terrible... | 0:35:11 | 0:35:13 | |
You want to renew the misery. | 0:35:13 | 0:35:15 | |
What do you want, what do you want from me? | 0:35:15 | 0:35:17 | |
Well, I want your account of what it was like for you | 0:35:17 | 0:35:20 | |
when here was a guy who you'd brought in, he was symbolic... | 0:35:20 | 0:35:23 | |
He was, yeah. | 0:35:23 | 0:35:25 | |
And then, er, he had to go. | 0:35:25 | 0:35:28 | |
It was, it was a grim business. | 0:35:28 | 0:35:31 | |
And I feel, I feel, | 0:35:31 | 0:35:34 | |
I feel sad thinking about it, but maybe that was a function | 0:35:34 | 0:35:39 | |
of being so, so new in the post. How about that? | 0:35:39 | 0:35:43 | |
Ray Lewis wasn't the only one of Boris Johnson's newly appointed team | 0:35:43 | 0:35:47 | |
of advisers to run into trouble. | 0:35:47 | 0:35:49 | |
Today David Ross resigned from his position, | 0:35:49 | 0:35:53 | |
the fourth key adviser to go since the Mayor took office. | 0:35:53 | 0:35:56 | |
There was an expectation that the Boris mayoralty | 0:35:56 | 0:35:59 | |
would be a disaster and there were a number of people who fell | 0:35:59 | 0:36:01 | |
by the wayside in the first few months, but with Boris, | 0:36:01 | 0:36:04 | |
it was taken as evidence that he couldn't organise the proverbial, | 0:36:04 | 0:36:09 | |
you know, drinks session in a brewery. | 0:36:09 | 0:36:11 | |
Ironically, Johnson had inherited the responsibility for organising | 0:36:11 | 0:36:15 | |
the biggest party in London's history, | 0:36:15 | 0:36:17 | |
the forthcoming Olympic Games. | 0:36:17 | 0:36:20 | |
I don't think that Boris had remotely understood the size | 0:36:20 | 0:36:24 | |
and complexity and scope and scale of it, | 0:36:24 | 0:36:26 | |
and I think at first he probably came there | 0:36:26 | 0:36:29 | |
thinking that this was a sort of a bit of an extravaganza, | 0:36:29 | 0:36:32 | |
did London need it? | 0:36:32 | 0:36:33 | |
Am I going to have loads of resources | 0:36:33 | 0:36:36 | |
diverted from other things? | 0:36:36 | 0:36:37 | |
I just think he looked at it as something that he didn't grasp. | 0:36:37 | 0:36:42 | |
I think what Seb is saying has a grain of truth, | 0:36:42 | 0:36:44 | |
I did start off being probably for him and for LOCOG, | 0:36:44 | 0:36:49 | |
but thinking, you know, I think they began thinking, | 0:36:49 | 0:36:52 | |
"Oh, golly, is the Mayor going to start screwing things up?" | 0:36:52 | 0:36:55 | |
But I rapidly became an evangelical believer in it. | 0:36:55 | 0:37:00 | |
I'm sure the public persona, the public perception | 0:37:02 | 0:37:05 | |
is that this is somebody that sort of bumbles from decision to decision | 0:37:05 | 0:37:08 | |
and from event to event. | 0:37:08 | 0:37:11 | |
It's much, much sharper than that. | 0:37:11 | 0:37:13 | |
You know, he knows exactly what he's doing. | 0:37:13 | 0:37:17 | |
You know, I don't believe there's a moment of his day | 0:37:17 | 0:37:21 | |
that isn't choreographed to either London or him. | 0:37:21 | 0:37:25 | |
After his shaky first few months, | 0:37:32 | 0:37:34 | |
Johnson was developing his own way of playing the role of mayor. | 0:37:34 | 0:37:38 | |
Although he had relatively few formal powers, | 0:37:38 | 0:37:40 | |
he saw himself as London's champion. | 0:37:40 | 0:37:43 | |
Recalling his immigrant roots, | 0:37:43 | 0:37:45 | |
Johnson viewed the city as a dynamic melting pot | 0:37:45 | 0:37:48 | |
that could help power Britain's economic recovery. | 0:37:48 | 0:37:52 | |
Bonjour, ce'st moi, Boris Johnson, Le Mayor de Londres. | 0:37:52 | 0:37:56 | |
SPEAKS RUSSIAN | 0:37:56 | 0:38:01 | |
Have a very, very happy Chinese New Year, everybody. | 0:38:01 | 0:38:04 | |
SPEAKS MANDARIN | 0:38:04 | 0:38:06 | |
The key place that Boris Johnson would bang the drum for London | 0:38:06 | 0:38:09 | |
was in Whitehall. | 0:38:09 | 0:38:11 | |
By now David Cameron was Prime Minister, | 0:38:13 | 0:38:15 | |
and the two men would engage in friendly sparring in public. | 0:38:15 | 0:38:19 | |
But behind the scenes their political rivalry was much fiercer. | 0:38:24 | 0:38:27 | |
When Number ten announced cuts in housing benefits | 0:38:27 | 0:38:30 | |
that would worst affect London's poorest families | 0:38:30 | 0:38:33 | |
Johnson launched an uncompromising assault on the Cameron government. | 0:38:33 | 0:38:38 | |
We will not accept any kind of Kosovo-style, you know, | 0:38:38 | 0:38:42 | |
social cleansing of London, | 0:38:42 | 0:38:44 | |
you are not going to see, on my watch, | 0:38:44 | 0:38:46 | |
you're not going to see thousands of families being evicted from the place | 0:38:46 | 0:38:50 | |
where they've been living and where they have put down roots, | 0:38:50 | 0:38:53 | |
that is not what Londoners want to see, | 0:38:53 | 0:38:55 | |
it's not what we are going to accept. | 0:38:55 | 0:38:58 | |
Johnson's social cleansing jibe infuriated Cameron. | 0:38:58 | 0:39:01 | |
And sources close to the Prime Minister hit back. | 0:39:01 | 0:39:04 | |
The 11 o'clock daily briefing to journalists came at Number 10 | 0:39:06 | 0:39:09 | |
and is one of the rare occasions, to be fair, | 0:39:09 | 0:39:11 | |
with the Prime Minister, where somebody in Number 10 authorised, | 0:39:11 | 0:39:15 | |
you know, a pretty brutal briefing against Boris. | 0:39:15 | 0:39:18 | |
The net day's headlines reflected the tension between the two men. | 0:39:18 | 0:39:22 | |
It was one of a series of clashes | 0:39:22 | 0:39:24 | |
that the Mayor would have with the Prime Minister. | 0:39:24 | 0:39:28 | |
Almost all the arguments are about us | 0:39:28 | 0:39:30 | |
trying to get a better deal for London, | 0:39:30 | 0:39:32 | |
and to make sure that the Government doesn't make a mistake | 0:39:32 | 0:39:35 | |
and sometimes I will say something that seems to be very critical | 0:39:35 | 0:39:39 | |
of the Government or a Government policy | 0:39:39 | 0:39:41 | |
and yes, a lot of plaster comes off the ceiling, | 0:39:41 | 0:39:43 | |
but that is the job of the Mayor. | 0:39:43 | 0:39:46 | |
Johnson was reshaping the Mayor's job in his own image. | 0:39:48 | 0:39:51 | |
When he persuaded Barclay's to promise £50 million | 0:39:51 | 0:39:53 | |
for his cycle hire scheme | 0:39:53 | 0:39:55 | |
the bank wanted them known as Barclay Bikes. | 0:39:55 | 0:39:59 | |
But almost inevitably they became Boris Bikes. | 0:39:59 | 0:40:02 | |
And Brand Boris even advertised himself | 0:40:03 | 0:40:06 | |
on the BBC's most popular programme. | 0:40:06 | 0:40:07 | |
I'm going to have a pint of bitter. | 0:40:07 | 0:40:10 | |
It's such an honour to have you here, Mr Mayor. | 0:40:10 | 0:40:13 | |
Oh, please call me Boris. | 0:40:13 | 0:40:14 | |
I nearly went into politics myself, you know. | 0:40:14 | 0:40:16 | |
Really? Well, if, if you have any ideas for how I could help Walford, | 0:40:16 | 0:40:19 | |
here's my card. | 0:40:19 | 0:40:22 | |
-Thank you so much. -Good. | 0:40:22 | 0:40:24 | |
Yet Boris Johnson's winning manner was to land him back in the soup. | 0:40:24 | 0:40:29 | |
He was a risk-taker, as he showed when promoting a volunteering scheme | 0:40:29 | 0:40:32 | |
at a go-kart track. | 0:40:32 | 0:40:34 | |
And there were new reports | 0:40:34 | 0:40:36 | |
that the Mayor hadn't been following Max Hastings' advice | 0:40:36 | 0:40:39 | |
to keep himself zipped up. | 0:40:39 | 0:40:40 | |
It was claimed he was having an affair with an art dealer | 0:40:44 | 0:40:47 | |
who he'd made his unpaid adviser on urban sculpture. | 0:40:47 | 0:40:50 | |
David Cameron was later to joke | 0:40:52 | 0:40:54 | |
that he was going to give Johnson a book called The Joy Of S...Cycling. | 0:40:54 | 0:40:59 | |
But Johnson himself was again kicked out of his house. | 0:40:59 | 0:41:02 | |
And Cameron's then-spin doctor Andy Coulson advised the mayor | 0:41:02 | 0:41:05 | |
he should hold a confessional press conference. | 0:41:05 | 0:41:08 | |
Johnson vetoed the idea. | 0:41:08 | 0:41:11 | |
He argues the public isn't interested in his private life. | 0:41:11 | 0:41:14 | |
And he imposed what might be called a blanket ban on talking about it. | 0:41:14 | 0:41:19 | |
The difficulty is that one statement invariably poses another question, | 0:41:19 | 0:41:25 | |
and one thing, you know, | 0:41:25 | 0:41:29 | |
one line of enquiry leads to another. | 0:41:29 | 0:41:34 | |
OK. If you talked about your private life, | 0:41:34 | 0:41:37 | |
there would be more interesting things that would come out. | 0:41:37 | 0:41:41 | |
Just to go back to what I was saying just now, | 0:41:43 | 0:41:46 | |
and again I admire your journalistic technique, | 0:41:46 | 0:41:48 | |
but I think I've given you the answer that I'm going to give. | 0:41:48 | 0:41:52 | |
Boris has been fantastic copy for the Eye, | 0:41:53 | 0:41:55 | |
I mean all the way through, from his earliest performances as an MP, | 0:41:55 | 0:42:01 | |
through to the mass infidelities which have littered his career. | 0:42:01 | 0:42:07 | |
I mean he's our Berlusconi, but somehow it's funnier. | 0:42:07 | 0:42:10 | |
The bounder Boris bounced back once again, | 0:42:15 | 0:42:18 | |
but he was in for a rude awakening. | 0:42:18 | 0:42:22 | |
When the London riots broke out in the summer of 2011, | 0:42:28 | 0:42:31 | |
the Mayor was on a family holiday | 0:42:31 | 0:42:33 | |
in a camper van in the Canadian Rockies. | 0:42:33 | 0:42:35 | |
Johnson at first refused to return home but then changed his mind. | 0:42:38 | 0:42:42 | |
He headed for south London, | 0:42:45 | 0:42:47 | |
the scene of some of the worst rioting, | 0:42:47 | 0:42:49 | |
and for a change he was met by a hostile crowd, | 0:42:49 | 0:42:53 | |
who wanted to know why the police had gone AWOL. | 0:42:53 | 0:42:56 | |
Let me tell you, let me tell you, tonight... | 0:42:56 | 0:42:59 | |
You talk about robust policing, what does that actually mean? | 0:42:59 | 0:43:02 | |
Tonight we are going to have a huge number of police on the streets... | 0:43:02 | 0:43:07 | |
Where were they? | 0:43:07 | 0:43:08 | |
By 5 o'clock we knew they we're going to hit and no-one was here, | 0:43:08 | 0:43:12 | |
I was in the salon when a brick come through the wall, | 0:43:12 | 0:43:15 | |
through the window, and no-one was here to defend me. | 0:43:15 | 0:43:18 | |
I know. And that's why we are putting many more police on the streets. | 0:43:18 | 0:43:23 | |
It was tough, it was really, and the people felt angry, | 0:43:23 | 0:43:28 | |
because they'd seen their shops, their property attacked | 0:43:28 | 0:43:32 | |
and sod it, the sodding Mayor had been somewhere else. | 0:43:32 | 0:43:36 | |
Back in City Hall, Johnson worried that that the riots | 0:43:37 | 0:43:40 | |
might have wrecked his pitch for London, | 0:43:40 | 0:43:43 | |
and his chances of re-election. | 0:43:43 | 0:43:45 | |
But in his first term, he'd carved out a reputation as his own man. | 0:43:46 | 0:43:50 | |
And he was far from an identikit right winger - | 0:43:50 | 0:43:53 | |
he has an unpredictable mix of beliefs, | 0:43:53 | 0:43:56 | |
he is pro-banker, pro-immigrant, a Eurosceptic who's pro-gay marriage, | 0:43:56 | 0:44:01 | |
but likes to be seen as tough on crime. | 0:44:01 | 0:44:03 | |
Police officers! Police! | 0:44:05 | 0:44:09 | |
Last year's mayoral election was a Johnson vs Livingstone rematch. | 0:44:17 | 0:44:22 | |
Each man accused the other of being a tax avoider. | 0:44:22 | 0:44:25 | |
-No. That's not true. -You don't avoid tax on that. | 0:44:25 | 0:44:28 | |
You have to pay tax on the money you take out. | 0:44:28 | 0:44:31 | |
-The guy's a liar. -Can I get a word in edgeways? | 0:44:31 | 0:44:35 | |
The guy's a barefaced liar. | 0:44:35 | 0:44:38 | |
Following that programme the two men had nearly come to blows. | 0:44:38 | 0:44:41 | |
But it was the mayor who sought to kiss and make up. | 0:44:41 | 0:44:46 | |
What I found amazing, was here is someone | 0:44:46 | 0:44:48 | |
who very well may be Prime Minister one day, | 0:44:48 | 0:44:51 | |
may have to lead the nation, | 0:44:51 | 0:44:53 | |
and he was worried that I was angry with him. | 0:44:53 | 0:44:56 | |
And this is a breathtaking weakness in a politician. | 0:44:56 | 0:44:59 | |
He wants to be loved, even by the people he's destroying. | 0:44:59 | 0:45:02 | |
Johnson once more beat Livingstone - | 0:45:04 | 0:45:06 | |
and after four years working and playing | 0:45:06 | 0:45:08 | |
as hard as he had ever done in his life. | 0:45:08 | 0:45:10 | |
the Mayor, who has the ability to take a power nap anywhere, | 0:45:10 | 0:45:14 | |
recharged his batteries in preparation for the summer of 2012. | 0:45:14 | 0:45:19 | |
The London Olympics really took off with the Hyde Park rally. | 0:45:35 | 0:45:39 | |
The games gave Boris Johnson an unparalleled opportunity | 0:45:39 | 0:45:43 | |
to project himself as London Mayor to the whole country | 0:45:43 | 0:45:45 | |
and across the world. | 0:45:45 | 0:45:47 | |
I've never seen anything like this in all my life. | 0:45:48 | 0:45:54 | |
The excitement is growing so much, | 0:45:55 | 0:45:57 | |
I think the Geiger counter of Olympomania | 0:45:57 | 0:46:00 | |
is going to go zoink off the scale! | 0:46:00 | 0:46:04 | |
Are we ready? Are we ready? Yes we are! | 0:46:04 | 0:46:10 | |
The venues are ready, the stadium is ready, | 0:46:10 | 0:46:13 | |
and our team GB athletes are ready, aren't they? | 0:46:13 | 0:46:16 | |
There's going to be more gold, silver, bronze medals | 0:46:16 | 0:46:22 | |
than you'd need to bail out Greece and Spain together. | 0:46:22 | 0:46:25 | |
Final question - are you...? | 0:46:25 | 0:46:28 | |
CROWD: Boris! Boris! Boris! | 0:46:28 | 0:46:30 | |
Can we put on the greatest Olympic games that has ever been held? | 0:46:30 | 0:46:37 | |
Well, I was very lucky to be Mayor | 0:46:37 | 0:46:39 | |
at the time of the Olympic Games, is all I can say, | 0:46:39 | 0:46:42 | |
and it was a jammy, it was a jammy, jammy old trick to pull. | 0:46:42 | 0:46:46 | |
But what was it like for you to hear that huge crowd | 0:46:46 | 0:46:48 | |
chanting, "Boris, Boris, Boris"? | 0:46:48 | 0:46:51 | |
Very, very bad for you, I mean, don't do it! | 0:46:51 | 0:46:53 | |
I mean, very, very bad for the ego, | 0:46:53 | 0:46:56 | |
but you do understand why Roman emperors put on great games | 0:46:56 | 0:47:04 | |
and great spectacles, I mean, suddenly you think, | 0:47:04 | 0:47:07 | |
"Wow! This is obviously a big thing." So, you know. | 0:47:07 | 0:47:10 | |
So, I mean, would you like to be a Roman emperor? | 0:47:10 | 0:47:13 | |
No. they invariably came to sticky ends! | 0:47:13 | 0:47:17 | |
A sticky end was the mot juste for Johnson's celebrated trip, | 0:47:29 | 0:47:33 | |
which climaxed with the daring young mayor stuck on the zipwire. | 0:47:33 | 0:47:37 | |
I want you to know, it's going well, it's very, very well organised. | 0:47:37 | 0:47:42 | |
Get me a ladder! | 0:47:43 | 0:47:46 | |
I want you to know that was far more painful | 0:47:51 | 0:47:54 | |
and frightening than you might think. | 0:47:54 | 0:47:57 | |
In what way? | 0:47:57 | 0:47:59 | |
To start with it was jolly high up, | 0:47:59 | 0:48:01 | |
and after you're stuck up there for a while | 0:48:01 | 0:48:04 | |
stuff starts to chafe and so on and so forth. | 0:48:04 | 0:48:07 | |
Round your groin? | 0:48:07 | 0:48:09 | |
I don't want to go into these details, Michael! | 0:48:09 | 0:48:12 | |
It was chafing. Chafing was involved, but... | 0:48:12 | 0:48:15 | |
I thought you wrote in your book... | 0:48:15 | 0:48:17 | |
Yeah, yeah, the actual... I'm only quoting you, Boris! | 0:48:17 | 0:48:20 | |
This is what's so difficult, I quote you... | 0:48:20 | 0:48:22 | |
I can never remember what I've written! | 0:48:22 | 0:48:25 | |
You said it got very, very tight round your groin area. | 0:48:25 | 0:48:27 | |
Did it? Well, if I wrote it in my book it must be absolutely correct. | 0:48:27 | 0:48:31 | |
If any other politician anywhere in the world got stuck on a zipwire | 0:48:31 | 0:48:35 | |
it would be, you know, disastrous, | 0:48:35 | 0:48:37 | |
but with Boris it would be an absolute triumph. | 0:48:37 | 0:48:39 | |
He defies all forms of gravity. | 0:48:39 | 0:48:44 | |
His Olympotastic performance enhanced his image | 0:48:45 | 0:48:48 | |
as a political celebrity. | 0:48:48 | 0:48:49 | |
-Boris! -Good morning! -When will you be back on Have I Got News For You? | 0:48:51 | 0:48:55 | |
I know! Those days are over! | 0:48:55 | 0:48:57 | |
The Mayor is able to connect with a range of people | 0:48:57 | 0:48:59 | |
outside the Tory stockade. | 0:48:59 | 0:49:02 | |
It's a rare gift for an Eton and Bullingdon boy. | 0:49:02 | 0:49:04 | |
-No more cuts? -No, no more cuts! | 0:49:04 | 0:49:07 | |
He is the only feel-good politician we have in Britain. | 0:49:09 | 0:49:14 | |
Everybody else is far too busy being responsible | 0:49:14 | 0:49:17 | |
or telling you that austerity is going to be very miserable | 0:49:17 | 0:49:20 | |
or that things are tough, or that toughness is required. | 0:49:20 | 0:49:23 | |
What Boris does is make people feel good. | 0:49:23 | 0:49:26 | |
At last year's Tory conference there was a hero's welcome | 0:49:26 | 0:49:28 | |
for the mayor who'd again won in Labour London | 0:49:28 | 0:49:31 | |
and was reaping the dividend of a successful Olympics. | 0:49:31 | 0:49:35 | |
He was able to indulge in a favourite pursuit | 0:49:35 | 0:49:37 | |
of teasing the Prime Minister. | 0:49:37 | 0:49:40 | |
Where is Dave? Yes. Good morning. Good morning, everyone. | 0:49:40 | 0:49:44 | |
There you are, Dave! | 0:49:46 | 0:49:47 | |
I know that Dave will win in 2015, when the economy has turned around | 0:49:47 | 0:49:51 | |
and when people are benefiting from the tough decisions you have taken, | 0:49:51 | 0:49:57 | |
not least coming along to hear this speech today. | 0:49:57 | 0:49:59 | |
So many... Happy birthday, by the way! | 0:49:59 | 0:50:04 | |
I couldn't help laughing when Boris was making the speech. | 0:50:04 | 0:50:08 | |
"Where's Dave?" And poor David Cameron, | 0:50:08 | 0:50:11 | |
the wretched Prime Minister, was obliged to laugh heartily. | 0:50:11 | 0:50:14 | |
I think that David Cameron would actually have liked | 0:50:14 | 0:50:17 | |
to have sort of whacked him to death on the spot. | 0:50:17 | 0:50:20 | |
While Cameron applauds dutifully, | 0:50:20 | 0:50:23 | |
his people mutter darkly that Boris is not a team player, | 0:50:23 | 0:50:26 | |
and is always scheming to steal the PM's thunder. | 0:50:26 | 0:50:29 | |
Often there's that pattern | 0:50:30 | 0:50:32 | |
where he seemed to want to upstage the Prime Minister. | 0:50:32 | 0:50:36 | |
Nine times out of ten the row is about something of substance, | 0:50:36 | 0:50:39 | |
not some sort of game being played between him and the Prime Minister. | 0:50:39 | 0:50:44 | |
And the tenth time? | 0:50:44 | 0:50:45 | |
Tenth time there's a sense of mischief that goes back | 0:50:45 | 0:50:48 | |
30 years to school, | 0:50:48 | 0:50:50 | |
and we all know how we are with school friends | 0:50:50 | 0:50:52 | |
and we all know the assumptions we have with them | 0:50:52 | 0:50:54 | |
and even if one of them has ended up as Prime Minister | 0:50:54 | 0:50:56 | |
and the other is Mayor of London, | 0:50:56 | 0:50:57 | |
to a certain extent they are both there in their short shorts in Eton, | 0:50:57 | 0:51:01 | |
sort of sparring with each other slightly. | 0:51:01 | 0:51:03 | |
That view of the importance of the Eton connection | 0:51:10 | 0:51:13 | |
to the Cameron-Johnson relationship | 0:51:13 | 0:51:15 | |
is shared by the Mayor's sister. | 0:51:15 | 0:51:17 | |
What I've seen is when they're together | 0:51:17 | 0:51:20 | |
it's rather sweet, because David Cameron | 0:51:20 | 0:51:23 | |
sort of slightly, even though he's taller, | 0:51:23 | 0:51:26 | |
looks at Boris as if he's still head boy. | 0:51:26 | 0:51:29 | |
Gee, thanks, Rach(!) | 0:51:30 | 0:51:33 | |
This programme was such a bad idea! | 0:51:33 | 0:51:36 | |
These relationships are set very early, | 0:51:36 | 0:51:39 | |
it's like birth order, | 0:51:39 | 0:51:41 | |
so people shouldn't forget that he was head boy, | 0:51:41 | 0:51:45 | |
Cameron was two years younger, the young pup. | 0:51:45 | 0:51:49 | |
So doesn't that make Boris rather resentful | 0:51:49 | 0:51:52 | |
if Cameron's become Prime Minister? | 0:51:52 | 0:51:54 | |
No, it gives Boris a sense of continuing superiority. | 0:51:54 | 0:51:58 | |
Why wouldn't it? He was head boy. Captain of the school. | 0:51:58 | 0:52:03 | |
That is my sister at her very best, | 0:52:03 | 0:52:07 | |
she is brilliantly causing trouble. | 0:52:07 | 0:52:12 | |
But is there something in what Rachel says? | 0:52:12 | 0:52:15 | |
Guto Harri told us that when there are rows | 0:52:15 | 0:52:18 | |
between you and David Cameron, | 0:52:18 | 0:52:19 | |
nine times out of ten it's about serious politics, | 0:52:19 | 0:52:22 | |
but on the tenth it goes back to your time at Eton | 0:52:22 | 0:52:25 | |
when you were both in short trousers. | 0:52:25 | 0:52:28 | |
I don't think that's fair, I mean, | 0:52:28 | 0:52:30 | |
I think a lot of sort of psychobabble about personal relationships, | 0:52:30 | 0:52:34 | |
actually it comes down to the necessity, | 0:52:34 | 0:52:38 | |
the hard necessity as Mayor of a great capital city | 0:52:38 | 0:52:41 | |
to go into Number 10 and fight for funding for Crossrail | 0:52:41 | 0:52:45 | |
or whatever it happens to be, | 0:52:45 | 0:52:48 | |
to make sure by hook or by crook that you come out with what you need. | 0:52:48 | 0:52:51 | |
In his five years as Mayor, | 0:52:51 | 0:52:53 | |
Johnson's political stock has constantly risen. | 0:52:53 | 0:52:56 | |
But though he's now often talked of as a future prime minister | 0:52:56 | 0:52:59 | |
it's a frightening prospect for some who know him well. | 0:52:59 | 0:53:03 | |
He is still pretty wild, he is still a pretty wild card, | 0:53:06 | 0:53:10 | |
and I for one, just supposing Boris became Prime Minister, | 0:53:10 | 0:53:12 | |
the idea of Boris's finger on the nuclear button, | 0:53:12 | 0:53:15 | |
one day he'd get it mixed up with the button to call the maid or something. | 0:53:15 | 0:53:18 | |
The classic question I get is, | 0:53:18 | 0:53:20 | |
"Can you imagine him with his finger on the nuclear trigger?" | 0:53:20 | 0:53:23 | |
That sends shivers down many spines, | 0:53:23 | 0:53:25 | |
for me, I can imagine if Boris did have his finger | 0:53:25 | 0:53:28 | |
on the nuclear trigger he would be guided | 0:53:28 | 0:53:30 | |
by all kinds of classical considerations | 0:53:30 | 0:53:33 | |
of how bad decisions had caused carnage for centuries thereafter, | 0:53:33 | 0:53:37 | |
and he would be wise in the decision that he took. | 0:53:37 | 0:53:40 | |
Guto Harri says if Boris was Prime Minister, | 0:53:40 | 0:53:44 | |
the thought of Boris Johnson's finger on the trigger, | 0:53:44 | 0:53:48 | |
most people say it sends shivers down their spines. | 0:53:48 | 0:53:53 | |
Well, as I say, the shiver can remain firmly, up their spine | 0:53:53 | 0:53:58 | |
or wherever the shiver... | 0:53:58 | 0:54:00 | |
the shiver has no need to go anywhere | 0:54:00 | 0:54:02 | |
because the chances of my being in a position | 0:54:02 | 0:54:05 | |
to send such a shiver or such a nuclear warhead | 0:54:05 | 0:54:08 | |
are vanishingly small. | 0:54:08 | 0:54:10 | |
Despite his protestations, | 0:54:14 | 0:54:15 | |
many of the people who know Boris best have no doubt | 0:54:15 | 0:54:18 | |
about his ambition and desire to reach Number 10. | 0:54:18 | 0:54:21 | |
And his father even believes he should put himself in the running | 0:54:21 | 0:54:24 | |
for the Tory leadership | 0:54:24 | 0:54:26 | |
by returning to Westminster as an MP before the next election | 0:54:26 | 0:54:30 | |
while he is still Mayor of London. | 0:54:30 | 0:54:32 | |
If Boris were to ask my advice, | 0:54:34 | 0:54:37 | |
on the question of whether he ought to be considering | 0:54:37 | 0:54:42 | |
being a candidate in the next election, | 0:54:42 | 0:54:46 | |
OK, I'm talking about the election of 2015, | 0:54:46 | 0:54:49 | |
I would say to him put your hat in the ring | 0:54:49 | 0:54:52 | |
because he has done a fantastic job as Mayor | 0:54:52 | 0:54:54 | |
and why not go for leader of the party? | 0:54:54 | 0:54:57 | |
And if there's some mechanical thing | 0:54:57 | 0:54:59 | |
saying he has to be a Member of Parliament, | 0:54:59 | 0:55:01 | |
well don't tell me we can't get over that, | 0:55:01 | 0:55:03 | |
we'd either change the rules | 0:55:03 | 0:55:05 | |
or find a way of making him a Member of Parliament. | 0:55:05 | 0:55:07 | |
Johnson won't thank his father for that, | 0:55:07 | 0:55:10 | |
because he has always publicly insisted | 0:55:10 | 0:55:13 | |
that he won't try to become an MP while he's still Mayor. | 0:55:13 | 0:55:16 | |
And until now he has repeatedly claimed | 0:55:16 | 0:55:19 | |
that he has as much chance of becoming Prime Minister | 0:55:19 | 0:55:22 | |
as of being decapitated by a Frisbee | 0:55:22 | 0:55:24 | |
or of being reincarnated as an olive, or as Elvis Presley. | 0:55:24 | 0:55:28 | |
Do you think Boris Johnson will reach the top of the greasy pole? | 0:55:28 | 0:55:32 | |
Ten years ago the idea of Boris being Prime Minister was laughable, | 0:55:32 | 0:55:36 | |
now we're not laughing anymore. | 0:55:36 | 0:55:39 | |
There are quite a lot of people in the Tory party | 0:55:39 | 0:55:42 | |
who in their panic are liable to turn to Boris | 0:55:42 | 0:55:45 | |
and say, "But he's a winner." | 0:55:45 | 0:55:47 | |
Everybody likes him, they all love him, he's popular. | 0:55:47 | 0:55:49 | |
And they're desperate for somebody who is popular. | 0:55:49 | 0:55:52 | |
I think they'll be very silly if they do that, | 0:55:52 | 0:55:54 | |
because it will mean they've stopped wanting to be a serious party. | 0:55:54 | 0:55:57 | |
He knows that life is a competition, | 0:55:57 | 0:56:00 | |
and he wants, always wants to be top. | 0:56:00 | 0:56:03 | |
And when people ask me if he wants to be Prime Minister | 0:56:03 | 0:56:05 | |
I always say, "No, he's much more ambitious than that." | 0:56:05 | 0:56:08 | |
As he would put it, David Cameron, who read PPE, is Prime Minister, | 0:56:10 | 0:56:15 | |
he wants to do better than that. | 0:56:15 | 0:56:17 | |
So what does he want to be? | 0:56:17 | 0:56:19 | |
You'll have to ask him, Michael. | 0:56:19 | 0:56:21 | |
No, this is just, this is just full marks to Rachel | 0:56:21 | 0:56:24 | |
for causing maximum, maximum chaos, | 0:56:24 | 0:56:29 | |
she's, you know...she is joking. | 0:56:29 | 0:56:34 | |
Well, you did want to be world king before. | 0:56:34 | 0:56:36 | |
-She's joking around. -Would you like to be Prime Minister? | 0:56:36 | 0:56:40 | |
Well, I would LIKE to be the lead singer | 0:56:40 | 0:56:47 | |
of an international rock group, | 0:56:47 | 0:56:49 | |
I mean, that was my aim, or a good guitarist. | 0:56:49 | 0:56:53 | |
I would love to have been a world famous painter or indeed a composer, | 0:56:53 | 0:56:57 | |
there are many, many things that I would like to have done | 0:56:57 | 0:57:01 | |
or to have been able to do. | 0:57:01 | 0:57:03 | |
But would you like to be Prime Minister? | 0:57:03 | 0:57:06 | |
I think it's a very tough job being Prime Minister, very tough job. | 0:57:06 | 0:57:11 | |
I mean, obviously if the ball came loose from the back of a scrum - | 0:57:11 | 0:57:15 | |
which it won't - of course it would be a great thing | 0:57:15 | 0:57:20 | |
to have a crack at, but it's not going to happen. | 0:57:20 | 0:57:23 | |
Do you have any doubts about your ability | 0:57:23 | 0:57:25 | |
to fulfil the role of Prime Minister? | 0:57:25 | 0:57:28 | |
I think people who don't have doubts or anxieties | 0:57:28 | 0:57:31 | |
about their, you know, ability to do things | 0:57:31 | 0:57:33 | |
probably have something slightly terrifyingly awry. | 0:57:33 | 0:57:39 | |
You know, we all have worries and insecurities | 0:57:39 | 0:57:42 | |
but I think we've done a pretty good job so far in City Hall | 0:57:42 | 0:57:47 | |
and that's what I want to continue to do. | 0:57:47 | 0:57:51 | |
Throughout his life people have underestimated Boris Johnson. | 0:57:53 | 0:57:57 | |
But he has shown himself to be far cannier player | 0:57:57 | 0:58:01 | |
of the political game than he likes to let on. | 0:58:01 | 0:58:03 | |
And he's now gone further than ever before | 0:58:09 | 0:58:12 | |
in admitting his desire for the top job. | 0:58:12 | 0:58:15 | |
OK, I've got that one. Oof! Yes! | 0:58:15 | 0:58:19 | |
His charisma and wit have helped make him | 0:58:19 | 0:58:22 | |
the most popular politician in the land. | 0:58:22 | 0:58:24 | |
And he now resembles the great comic actors of the past | 0:58:24 | 0:58:27 | |
who yearn to play Hamlet. | 0:58:27 | 0:58:29 | |
But his life story so far suggests | 0:58:31 | 0:58:33 | |
that if Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson | 0:58:33 | 0:58:35 | |
were to become the country's leading man, | 0:58:35 | 0:58:37 | |
the British people would spend his time in office | 0:58:37 | 0:58:40 | |
on the very edge of their seats. | 0:58:40 | 0:58:42 |