Young Margaret


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And I would just like to remember some words of St Francis

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of Assisi, which I think are really just particularly apt at the moment.

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Where there is discord, may we bring harmony.

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Where there is error, may we bring truth.

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Where there is doubt, may we bring faith...

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Margaret Thatcher, Britain's first woman Prime Minister.

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Strong, strident, confident.

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She seemed to relish a rather male image of herself.

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Fixed, rigid, unbending.

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'The lady's not for turning.'

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'..rejoice at that news,

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'and congratulate our forces and the Marines.'

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But there is another side to the Iron Lady, another story to be told.

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'Dear Muriel. I decided to buy a really nice undie set

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'to go under my turquoise chiffon blouse...'

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'..can you recommend any exercises,

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'or anything from the medical point of view, particularly for

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'reduction of the area of the seat, and control of the tummy muscles?'

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'Oh, and also reductions and uplift of the bust?'

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A remarkable correspondence has come to light

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between Margaret Thatcher and her older sister, Muriel.

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The letters date from Margaret's childhood,

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and run until her early days in power.

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Intimate, unguarded, they reveal a complex early love life.

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'He drove me home in his present, rather old car,

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'and got quite ardent on the way.'

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I think she regarded herself, rightly,

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as not having a fantastic body as such.

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We would have what I would describe as a modest

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amount of amorosity.

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'He's about 26, and very nice...'

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She was very good-looking, and my memory was she danced very well.

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The letters upset popular mythologies about Margaret.

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Her husband Denis, for example.

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'I can't say I ever really enjoy going out for the evening with him.'

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'He has not got a very prepossessing personality.'

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And her relationship with her father, Alf.

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'Re. Pop. He is eating the most enormous meals,

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'and doing absolutely nothing...'

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'..I should, however, set a deadline to take him home as soon as he comes

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'to you, otherwise he will just hang on and on and not take any hints.'

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Margaret's letters allow a glimpse into the private life

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of this most public of women.

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They shed new light on the transformation

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of the very ordinary Margaret Hilda Roberts

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into the very extraordinary Margaret Hilda Thatcher.

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'Tony hired a car and we drove out to Abingdon to the country inn

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'Crown and Thistle.'

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'I managed to borrow a glorious royal blue velvet cloak,

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'which matched the blue frock perfectly.'

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"Tony had a spray of eight orchids sent for me from London,

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"so with the front part of my hair piled up on top,

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"Jean and Mary said I looked simply smashing."

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"I felt absolutely on top of the world as we walked through

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"the lounge at the Crown and Thistle,

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"and everyone looked up and stared."

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When Mrs Thatcher asked me to write the book,

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obviously one of the most exciting things

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which only I would have

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is anything within the family,

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pretty much none of which had come to light before,

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and so it was natural for me, first of all, after speaking to

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Mrs Thatcher and Denis, to go to Mrs Thatcher's sister, Muriel.

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In the course of our conversation,

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it became clear that she had a lot of letters from Margaret.

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They're unsorted.

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I assume, therefore, not censored,

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and I think Margaret's pretty honest in these letters.

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For example,

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when she talks about everything to do with boyfriends and love,

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this is not exposing her innermost soul, but I think it's honest.

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I think it's telling Muriel accurately how she sees it,

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what she believes has happened, what the problems are,

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and how she's trying to deal with it.

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"We went into the bar and had a gin and grapefruit,

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"and then to the dining room for dinner."

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'We had some lovely thick, creamy soup, followed by pigeon,

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'and then a chocolate sweet.'

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'With that, we had Moussec to drink.'

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'Moussec, in case you don't know, is a sparkling champagne.'

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She had a strong relationship with her sister, a happy relationship.

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And I was always aware when she, my aunt Muriel,

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had been in touch with my mother.

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Generally it was in times of political difficulty.

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That was when you could be sure that a phone call would come

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through saying, "How are you? Everything OK?"

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"Fine."

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Muriel was four years older than Margaret, and her only sibling.

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A feisty, strong-willed woman, not unlike her famous sister

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in character, her life was far removed from that of Margaret.

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For 46 years, she lived here on this farm in Essex, where she

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devoted herself to raising her three children with her husband, Willie.

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When Muriel died, her collection of letters from her sister

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passed to her son, Margaret's nephew, Andrew.

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We've got quite a lot of very nice things from the family.

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My mother, unlike Auntie Margaret, was a great hoarder.

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We have most of her letters from Margaret

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and from Grandpa to my mother.

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I would say they were very close as sisters, yes.

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Even though they were several years apart, you see,

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which one would have thought would have made a bigger difference,

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especially back in those days, but they, although they were

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brought up as an austere family, they were a close-knit family.

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People often say to me, "Well, what's she like?"

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And I say, "What's YOUR auntie like? She's just like your auntie."

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She was just an ordinary aunt.

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She always remembered our birthdays and Christmas.

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She is normal, nearly.

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'Dear Muriel. I got Daddy's present for me last Saturday.

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'He asked me what I would like, so I said a powder bowl.

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'He gave me a pound to go and get one,

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'telling me to bring back the change.

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'Got a nice one from Miss Griffin's for ten shillings.

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'It was very plain,

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'just ordinary glass with a little gold paint around the top.'

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This is Grantham, where Margaret and Muriel were born

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and spent their childhood.

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It's a small town in Lincolnshire, built on the A1.

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A place travelled through as much as a destination in its own right.

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The cornerstone of the girls' lives was the family's grocer shop,

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where they lived with their parents, Alf and Beatrice.

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The shop was a quality shop situated on a corner,

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positioned between the richer and poorer districts of Grantham,

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much like the family itself.

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Today, only a small plaque high on the wall

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records the significant birth that took place here in 1925.

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High enough, as one local put it, not to be peed on.

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But Margaret was the product of a time as well as a place.

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She was just 13 years old when the Second World War broke out.

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AIR RAID SIRENS

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The Second World War was a vivid reality in Grantham.

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Being on the main railway line to Scotland and having

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a munitions factory, it was a regular target for German bombers.

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Inevitably, as for many of Margaret's generation,

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the war left an indelible mark on her.

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I'm told that Mum was studying for her exams under the dining

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room table in Grantham, which was an area which was extraordinarily

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active during the war.

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And so the era of her teenage years and her formative years after that

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were just so completely different from ours.

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For much of the war,

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Margaret's sister Muriel was away studying physiotherapy

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in Birmingham, leaving Margaret as effectively an only child.

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It was around this time that Margaret's letters

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to her sister began.

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They were, surprisingly, never about the terrors

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and disruption of war, but about everyday school life.

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They are full of personal triumphs,

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often highlighted by comments about lesser-achieving classmates.

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'Dear Muriel. Here are my school certificate results in detail

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'which we got on Thursday morning.

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'English Language, C.

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'English Literature, C.

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'General Literature, C.

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'There were rather a lot of failures this year,

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'probably due to having Camden with us for five terms.

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'General Literature, C.

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'History, C.

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'Biology, C.

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'French, C.'

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Margaret's letters expect Muriel to be interested in the minutiae

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of her achievements, and she's quick to criticise.

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One poor gym mistress, for example, is...

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'An awful old irritable thing.

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'She had a spotty complexion, lank, greasy hair, Eton-cropped,

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'wore glasses and dowdy clothes.'

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Encouraged by her father, Margaret was a bright, hard-working, serious

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girl, who'd won a scholarship to Kesteven and Grantham Girls' School,

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where she was to become a prefect, and eventually head girl.

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Sometimes she'd line us up for dinner,

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and sometimes she'd take us for prep.

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She'd sit at the teacher's desk and do her work,

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and we'd all sit there and do our homework,

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and we never, in fact, played her up,

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and even though we used to chat a lot, we actually didn't with her,

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and she did have this sort of aura that we just daren't do it, I think.

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She had this incredible air of self-possession.

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That's very rare, I think.

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She was quite a matronly figure.

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She had a bust, which I didn't have.

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It didn't clock in until many years after!

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She had her hair permed, and it was brown, by the way, light brown.

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Not blonde.

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And she was perfect with her school uniform.

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And generally, I was in awe of her.

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I was really impressed by this girl, and I never forgot her.

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Margaret took her prefect responsibilities seriously,

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and reported, somewhat witheringly, the performances of her charges.

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There is a sense that the world might just stop turning

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if she wasn't at the helm.

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'Posters had to be made to draw people's attention

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'to the fact that they simply must go to room seven.

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'On Thursday evening, I had to sit down and do them myself.

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'I also had to run around, providing the material for the competitions.

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'The youngsters are very enthusiastic,

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'but not very ready to do a lot.'

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You learn many things, of course, about Margaret through the letters.

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You learn, of course, which is no surprise,

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that she's hard-working and competitive.

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She notices how other people are doing in the class,

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what her own results are in exams, which she'll give at some length.

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She always monitors her own achievements.

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What she doesn't do, however, is introvert.

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She doesn't look in upon herself.

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It's absolutely unthinkable with her that she'd say what

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so many teenagers or young people would say.

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"Where's my life going?"

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"What am I doing? Why am I on this earth at all?"

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Nothing like that.

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Of all the potential influences that shaped the young Margaret

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into such a serious young girl,

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it was perhaps her father who made the greatest impact.

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Alf Roberts was a self-taught, self-made man,

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whose grocer shop was a monument to the sort of personal enterprise

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and self-improvement that Margaret championed throughout her career.

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A strong moral code hung over the Roberts household,

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and coloured everything they did.

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It was rooted in the Methodism that was the spine of the family's life.

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Margaret's father, Alf, was a lay preacher,

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and on Sunday it was chapel three times a day.

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It was here that Margaret listened to her father's sermons.

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Grandpa wasn't a great deal of fun.

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I think, probably, I was a wild, dirty farm boy,

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as far as he was concerned,

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and I think I said something pretty frivolous in front of him once,

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and I certainly got reprimanded fairly heavily for it.

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Mr Roberts would not have any Sunday newspapers in the house,

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believing that it was anti-Christ or anti-God to read frivolous stuff,

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such as it was in those days, on Sunday.

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Well, that's pretty archaic, isn't it?

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By present-day standards!

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Alf's Methodism was all or nothing.

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He had no truck with other denominations, especially -

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horror of horrors - Catholicism, as he made clear in a letter to Muriel.

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'Dear Muriel,

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'I have been very worried about Margaret this last few days,

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'about her always having Mary with her wherever she goes, and

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'wondering if Mary was doing a lot of Catholic propaganda with Margaret.

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'I have written to Margaret about it, as I should be grieved

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'beyond measure if the Roman Catholics got hold of her.

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'She would no longer be free. They might cause untold family misery.'

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Alf's agonies about the lure of Rome were unfounded.

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In fact, throughout her life,

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Margaret drifted between Methodism and Anglicanism.

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But in essence, she was Methodist to the core.

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Mother was a woman of considerable faith.

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It was an important component or adjunct in her

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feelings of self-reliance, duty and responsibility,

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but also her faith gave her a sense of Samaritanesque

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attitude as well, in which, yes, there needs to be,

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there must be, necessarily be an element of charity,

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assistance and help to others.

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But as she always used to say,

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even the Good Samaritan needed money to do it.

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Alf Roberts devoted himself to the task of giving his daughters

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more than he had had himself.

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But in later life, he told Muriel that he felt

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some of his sacrifices went unappreciated by Margaret.

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In a letter to Muriel, he said...

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'Margaret has been very hard at times,

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'and apparently ungrateful for all I've done, although that hasn't,

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'and wouldn't stop me from doing all I could for either of you.

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'But truthfully, it has kept me poor.'

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Alongside religion,

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the overriding preoccupation of the Roberts household was politics.

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Alf Roberts was a committed town councillor.

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When he wasn't in the pulpit, he was busy doing good for Grantham.

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He became Mayor, and was eventually awarded the title of Alderman.

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For Margaret, politics was on the menu every day.

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At home, above the Roberts' shop, the affairs of the day were

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picked over, debated around the kitchen table.

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But Margaret's childhood was not all serious debate and religion.

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She was not all work and no play.

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Margaret's letters show that she was a young

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woman like any other, with familiar passions.

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Clothes, meetings with girlfriends, and a favourite pastime,

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trips to the local State Cinema.

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'Dear Muriel. Quiet Weekend is here this week,

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'and two other girls and I went to see it on Monday.'

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'It's an absolute scream. I laughed more than I have for months.'

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'I wish you'd seen it.'

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We're not going to let a ruddy policeman stop us!

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'Earlier in the week, Tuesday, to be precise,

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'I went to see Love On The Dole with Mummy.

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'But I can't say that I enjoyed it, although it was a good film.'

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Margaret loved the cinema,

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and it was the American films that really caught her imagination.

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We had a cinema called the State, and of course

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we had American films, and they really were our window on the world.

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And I think this must have impressed Margaret. It certainly did me.

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Those accents, and they were heroes on the screen.

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In 1943, the heroes came to Grantham.

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The American Air Force established bases in the area.

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For the young ladies of Grantham,

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the Americans were manna from Heaven.

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And for Margaret,

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it was the beginning of an enduring love for all things transatlantic.

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She really liked all that, and she liked that culture,

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and she very much admired the American military,

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and she always felt at home with them.

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I think, therefore,

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the coming of Ronald Reagan as President of the United States

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fitted very well with all of that,

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because she'd seen him in some films,

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she knew who he was because of that, he's of that generation.

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Didn't fight in the war, actually,

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but she has an immediate sympathy with a man who looks like that,

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because appearance is always very important.

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Tall, genial, very American American,

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who was always very courtly to her,

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and this was just a whole set of things that made her feel at home.

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The Americans became notorious in Grantham.

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They organised jives at the airbases.

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But Margaret's letters don't record whether she joined in.

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Most likely not.

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Her restrictive parents kept her on a tight lead.

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Indeed, there were almost certainly no boyfriends

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in Margaret's life during her Grantham years.

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But she was always well turned out,

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and aware of the impact she made on others, men included.

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And when, towards the end of the war,

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she started going to more sedate local dances,

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she was often the target of eager suitors,

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such as a man she met at a Christmas dance in nearby Corby.

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'He was, I gather, a rather famous football referee,

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'for he has done, at any rate, one, if not more cup finals.'

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'He is about 35, I should say.'

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'He wanted me to go to the pictures with him.'

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'I don't want to go around with a man of his age,

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'and when I vaguely mentioned the fact at home, Daddy said,

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'"No, of course you won't", in a very final tone.'

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In fact, Margaret always had a taste for the company of older men,

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whatever her father Alf's protestations.

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But although much is made of her relationship with her father,

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far less is said or known about Mrs Roberts.

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Grandma was just a quiet,

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very supportive person in the background, really.

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Yeah.

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Very much her husband's second fiddle, rather than a noisy type.

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Beatrice Roberts came into her husband's life through Methodism,

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and was the daughter of a cloakroom attendant at Grantham Station.

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A seamstress, she was neat and tidy as a tailor's pattern.

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Margaret's letters to her sister suggest that Beatrice,

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far from being a non-figure in her life, a quiet absence,

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had a sort of censoring presence, a drain of the spirit.

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'I have decided that maroon would be the best colour for my wardrobe,

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'as I am having that pinky dress made up.'

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'I haven't told Mummy and Daddy about it,

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'as I am sure that Mummy at any rate, would find it very extravagant.'

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Muriel candidly described her mother as a bigoted Methodist,

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and admitted the two girls were not close to her.

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Indeed, a footnote in a letter from Margaret to Muriel shows how the

0:20:460:20:49

distance between the girls and their mother was even of concern to Alf.

0:20:490:20:53

'PS. Daddy did wish you would find a nice fellow,

0:20:540:20:58

'as if anything happened to him, you wouldn't get on with Mummy,

0:20:580:21:01

'and so wouldn't have a home unless married.

0:21:010:21:03

'He said this was his biggest worry at the moment.'

0:21:030:21:06

Mrs Thatcher didn't like talking about her mother,

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because I think it was hard for her to combine two things

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which she genuinely felt.

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One was respect and affection, and the other was this boredom, really.

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And a bit of guilt, as well,

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because she never actually had an engagement with her mother,

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and had interesting conversations with her, and enjoyed her company.

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But her mother was actually, I think, a strong character,

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and also had this aspect of domestic life which Margaret

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does like very much, which is this neatness, cleanness and skill,

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particularly because she was a seamstress,

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and it's one thing that Margaret would go back to again

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and again in conversation, her mother's skill as a seamstress.

0:21:460:21:49

'Has Mummy started my blue slip and panties, do you know?

0:21:490:21:52

'If she is going to do the panties, I would like them in the style

0:21:520:21:55

'we did the parachute ones, cut on the cross from a small yoke.'

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My mother, something which is not necessarily known about her,

0:22:000:22:03

she was extremely good with her hands,

0:22:030:22:05

and it would be nothing for her to repair curtains,

0:22:050:22:09

or even make them herself if she had the time to do so.

0:22:090:22:12

I certainly remember, on a couple of occasions,

0:22:120:22:16

she turned her hand to that, and quite successfully, so from that

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perspective, there was an element of self-reliance, if you will.

0:22:200:22:24

Thrift, I think, would be the word that comes to mind,

0:22:240:22:27

and certainly, I think that applied to everything that she did.

0:22:270:22:30

'I seem to have a colossal amount of mending to do.

0:22:300:22:34

'All coat linings seem suddenly to have gone, and stockings,

0:22:340:22:38

'they are rapidly disappearing into thin air.'

0:22:380:22:41

Self-reliance, hard work, drive.

0:22:410:22:44

These were characteristics of the young Margaret, and aged just 16,

0:22:440:22:50

she'd already formed a confident vision of her future.

0:22:500:22:53

'Dear Muriel. Daddy does not like the idea of medical at all,

0:22:530:22:57

'but I am taking biology, chemistry and maths main, with French subsid.'

0:22:570:23:02

'The next idea on the list is to go to university

0:23:020:23:04

'and take a science degree,

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'then sit for a civil service exam for posts abroad.

0:23:060:23:10

'A degree is necessary for this for a woman.'

0:23:100:23:12

I think this is a much more modern desk.

0:23:150:23:16

I think these were new in my time. I think those were the old ones.

0:23:160:23:20

Those are the very old ones.

0:23:200:23:22

Margaret's drive and ambition

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and stamina for hard work brought her academic success.

0:23:240:23:27

She appreciated her school and its role in her triumphs,

0:23:270:23:30

and when she accepted a peerage,

0:23:300:23:32

it was the name of the school that she took.

0:23:320:23:34

Baroness Thatcher of Kesteven.

0:23:340:23:36

Not the name of her hometown, Grantham.

0:23:360:23:39

Indeed, by the age of 18, Grantham was pretty much done for her.

0:23:400:23:45

She had won a place to study chemistry at Oxford University.

0:23:450:23:48

ARCHIVE: 'For more than 700 years,

0:24:020:24:04

'Oxford has flourished as a centre for learning and culture.'

0:24:040:24:08

'Through calm and storm, Triumph and disaster,

0:24:090:24:12

'it has grown in greatness of knowledge, making a continuous

0:24:120:24:15

'contribution to the civilisation of the Western world.'

0:24:150:24:17

My father, I think,

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was college or university material that couldn't go,

0:24:200:24:23

and therefore he was desperately anxious that I should have

0:24:230:24:27

every opportunity to go, and although he wasn't wealthy, I well remember

0:24:270:24:31

when it came to the fact that I wanted to go to Oxford,

0:24:310:24:34

and you had to have Latin to go to Oxford,

0:24:340:24:36

and my school hadn't provided Latin in the curriculum.

0:24:360:24:39

Nevertheless, he sacrificed enough to have me

0:24:390:24:42

taught Latin by the local grammar school teacher, and I did it.

0:24:420:24:46

He was desperately anxious to give me

0:24:460:24:49

every chance that he hadn't had, and I owe almost everything to this.

0:24:490:24:54

'Women, too, have their place at Oxford,

0:24:540:24:55

'sharing equal opportunities with the men.'

0:24:550:24:58

'They can prepare for careers in medicine, biology, law, and a dozen

0:24:580:25:02

'other spheres which, not many years ago, were closed to them.'

0:25:020:25:05

I think she had very good memories of Oxford.

0:25:050:25:09

It provided an exciting crucible for many of the aspects of her

0:25:090:25:15

life which were particularly important.

0:25:150:25:18

Rigorous, intellectual examination, as well as industrious learning,

0:25:180:25:23

and exciting and profound debate on all elements of university life,

0:25:230:25:29

including the political component.

0:25:290:25:31

Margaret took up a place at Somerville College,

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and found it, just like Grantham, altered by the war.

0:25:360:25:38

The college buildings were, of course, all blacked out.

0:25:400:25:43

There were battle walls in front of the library

0:25:430:25:45

and some of the other buildings.

0:25:450:25:47

There were static water tanks in the gardens.

0:25:470:25:49

There was one there, in front of the chapel,

0:25:490:25:51

and one in the east quadrangle.

0:25:510:25:54

And the students themselves were expected to take

0:25:540:25:56

part in various forms of war service in their spare time.

0:25:560:26:01

Hoeing for victory on the lawn.

0:26:010:26:03

The favourite one, in which Margaret Roberts engaged,

0:26:030:26:06

was entertaining American servicemen.

0:26:060:26:08

But from Margaret's point of view,

0:26:100:26:12

although she went to Oxford with two Grantham friends, she admitted

0:26:120:26:15

in her memoirs that she found the place cold and strangely forbidding.

0:26:150:26:20

She says she went for walks alone around Christchurch Meadow,

0:26:220:26:25

and into Addison's Walk in Magdalen.

0:26:250:26:27

'Dear Muriel. I washed and went into dinner at 7.15,

0:26:290:26:34

'expecting to see a number of people there.'

0:26:340:26:36

'But found to my dismay

0:26:360:26:38

that I was the only person that had yet arrived.'

0:26:380:26:41

'So I had dinner in a solitary state, alone in that immense hall.'

0:26:410:26:45

Oxford was a very different world to provincial Grantham,

0:26:460:26:50

and one in which Margaret struggled to find her place.

0:26:500:26:53

She was now one amongst many high achieving young women,

0:26:530:26:56

no longer at the top of the academic tree.

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The Somerville hall was a lovely hall,

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but it was set out with the high table, as always, at one end,

0:27:020:27:06

and then the rest of the hall was three tables in the long row,

0:27:060:27:12

and the top table tended to be the more exotic girls,

0:27:120:27:16

reading perhaps PPE, and the bottom table, I'm afraid,

0:27:160:27:21

we thought were bit of a snooty lot, was Roedean and Cheltenham Ladies'

0:27:210:27:25

and Downe House in the bottom lot.

0:27:250:27:28

And Margaret, of course, came from an ordinary grammar school.

0:27:280:27:31

I don't think she'd have lasted for a minute, actually,

0:27:310:27:34

in either the first table at the top for talk, or the bottom,

0:27:340:27:41

who were the real people with the real accents.

0:27:410:27:44

I can remember her saying to me once in Oxford days

0:27:460:27:51

in her new, refined sort of voice,

0:27:510:27:54

"Margaret, don't you wish,

0:27:540:27:56

"when you're asked where you went to school,

0:27:560:28:00

"and you wish, don't you,

0:28:000:28:03

"that you could say Cheltenham Ladies' College,

0:28:030:28:06

"instead of Kesteven and Grantham Girls' School?"

0:28:070:28:10

It was difficult with Margaret,

0:28:130:28:14

because she was always a rather aloof person.

0:28:140:28:18

She didn't easily unbend.

0:28:190:28:22

I think there was always a degree of difficulty about her

0:28:220:28:27

communications with the rest of us.

0:28:270:28:29

One got that impression with Margaret that she wasn't

0:28:290:28:32

a real person.

0:28:320:28:34

I don't think she was very good at making friends, girlfriends, ever.

0:28:340:28:38

Right through her life. Not many.

0:28:400:28:42

If Somerville failed to provide Margaret with friendships,

0:28:440:28:46

perhaps it was in part

0:28:460:28:48

because it was considered an overwhelmingly left-wing college.

0:28:480:28:51

Hardly a marriage made in Heaven.

0:28:510:28:53

But just along the road was the antidote.

0:28:540:28:57

The Taylorian Institute.

0:28:570:28:58

Meeting place of the University's Conservative Association.

0:28:590:29:03

The association would gather there

0:29:040:29:05

and often dine opposite in the rather grand Randolph Hotel.

0:29:050:29:09

Smart places, both of them, and a long way from Grantham.

0:29:090:29:13

Margaret signed up enthusiastically, and the Oxford University

0:29:150:29:19

Conservative Association, or OUCA, became her home.

0:29:190:29:22

'Dear Muriel. As regards Conservative activities this term,

0:29:250:29:29

'I gave my paper on agricultural policy,

0:29:290:29:31

'which was a staggering success.'

0:29:310:29:33

'Also, I went to a number of Conservative study groups, as well

0:29:340:29:38

'as the regular meetings on Friday nights and committee meetings etc.'

0:29:380:29:41

We were joined by this delightful, very active girl,

0:29:430:29:47

who knew exactly what she was doing, and she was very focused,

0:29:470:29:52

and she knew her politics inside out.

0:29:520:29:57

Whereas we were rather thrashing around.

0:29:570:30:00

Everybody, of course, was tuned into politics already,

0:30:000:30:05

but the rest of us were complete beginners,

0:30:050:30:09

and learning as we went along.

0:30:100:30:14

But Margaret really knew what she was doing, and was totally focused.

0:30:140:30:19

Oxford brought Margaret face-to-face with the country's aristocracy,

0:30:210:30:25

many of whom shared her Conservatism.

0:30:250:30:28

She got on easily with them.

0:30:300:30:31

So much so, that when the Duke of Buccleuch became aware that

0:30:310:30:34

Margaret had financial difficulties, he organised a whip round

0:30:340:30:38

and bought her a bicycle.

0:30:380:30:40

She was very active, and actually distributed our leaflets.

0:30:410:30:45

She'd go off on her bicycle with her basket,

0:30:450:30:50

and go to the sort of places you wouldn't dare go to nowadays.

0:30:500:30:55

You wouldn't let your daughter disappear into the dark alleyways

0:30:550:31:00

of factories and other places.

0:31:010:31:05

Anyhow, she went off, as brave as could be.

0:31:050:31:09

But more than just the chance to hobnob with the odd duke, the

0:31:110:31:14

University Conservative Association opened up social life for Margaret.

0:31:140:31:18

'The Conservative dinner was on 24 February.

0:31:290:31:32

'The committee guests and speakers had a sherry party

0:31:320:31:34

'in the Randolph beforehand,

0:31:340:31:36

'and then we went into dinner at seven o'clock.'

0:31:360:31:39

We had meetings, we had government ministers who came, and we

0:31:410:31:46

had the normal pattern of dinner, which the chairman, the president

0:31:460:31:51

would be host, with a visiting cabinet minister

0:31:510:31:55

or whoever on their right.

0:31:550:31:57

And the committee ranged round, all paid for.

0:31:570:32:00

I thought it was a perfectly good dinner.

0:32:000:32:03

For Margaret, these events were a chance to dress up,

0:32:050:32:08

to make the most of her wardrobe, to look her best.

0:32:080:32:11

To enjoy the bling.

0:32:110:32:12

'Dear Muriel. SOS.

0:32:130:32:16

'Could I borrow your pearls for the first of three meetings

0:32:160:32:18

'when I shall be wearing black?

0:32:180:32:20

'My black two-piece for the first and third,

0:32:200:32:22

'and your black dinner frock for the second, if you would send it.

0:32:220:32:26

'But the most important thing is the pearls, which have to be

0:32:260:32:29

'sent off straight away if they are to reach me by Friday.'

0:32:290:32:32

I wear them,

0:32:340:32:35

not only because pearls have been the thing

0:32:350:32:38

for English women for years, but they have a sort of luminescence

0:32:380:32:41

about them, and particularly pearl earrings,

0:32:410:32:44

and they do just give your face a little lift.

0:32:440:32:47

Margaret retained a fastidiousness about her appearance

0:32:470:32:50

throughout her life, and an almost forensic ability to recall

0:32:500:32:54

what she'd worn on any particular occasion.

0:32:540:32:56

I stand before you tonight in my Red Star chiffon evening gown...

0:32:560:33:02

Lady Thatcher always loved clothes, and she loved good fabrics.

0:33:050:33:09

Her mother was a dressmaker,

0:33:090:33:11

so she saw a lot of very nice clothes coming in and out of the

0:33:110:33:15

house in Grantham, and the mother made a lot of the girls' clothes.

0:33:150:33:20

She had a sister, Muriel.

0:33:200:33:21

And she knew about hemming and seaming, and all sorts of things.

0:33:220:33:28

And a thing we've learned is never really press your hem.

0:33:280:33:33

You know, sometimes you see people ironing a dress,

0:33:330:33:35

and they press along the hem until it looks like a knife edge.

0:33:350:33:38

And then if you want to let it down, you can't.

0:33:380:33:41

Just leave the hem gently rolled.

0:33:410:33:43

But never press along the edge.

0:33:440:33:47

When she visited one of our nuclear submarines in Faslane,

0:33:470:33:53

I recall that a message was delivered that please would

0:33:530:33:56

she be sure and wear trousers, which created no small problem,

0:33:560:34:00

because I don't think my mother ever owned a pair of trousers up

0:34:000:34:04

to that point in her life.

0:34:040:34:06

It's not my job to be a fashion leader,

0:34:060:34:08

but it is my job not to be obviously out of fashion,

0:34:080:34:13

or obviously wrongly dressed, and I must never be mutton dressed as lamb.

0:34:130:34:17

Never.

0:34:170:34:18

At Oxford, Margaret constantly worried about her weight

0:34:190:34:23

and her appearance, the concerns of any young woman.

0:34:230:34:26

'Dear Muriel,

0:34:270:34:29

'Can you recommend any exercises or anything from the medical

0:34:290:34:32

'point of view, particularly for reduction of the area of the seat

0:34:320:34:36

'and control of the tummy muscles?

0:34:360:34:38

'Oh, and also reductions and uplift of the bust.'

0:34:380:34:41

It was important for Margaret to look good, as she was now,

0:34:420:34:45

for the first time in her life, moving in a world of men.

0:34:450:34:49

And in the spring of her second year, her fellow students got

0:34:490:34:52

a sense that something new had come into her life.

0:34:520:34:56

Well, it just became known that Margaret had got a boyfriend called

0:34:560:35:01

Lord Tony, and we used to tease her a bit about Lord Tony.

0:35:010:35:06

And she would blush from bottom to top,

0:35:060:35:09

and just not really cope with it.

0:35:090:35:12

'Dear Muriel,

0:35:130:35:15

'Tony had a spray of eight orchids sent for me from London,

0:35:150:35:19

'so with the front part of my hair piled up on top,

0:35:190:35:22

'Jean and Mary said I looked simply smashing.'

0:35:220:35:24

Margaret had come with a carnation given to her by a chap,

0:35:260:35:30

and none of us can remember who it was.

0:35:300:35:32

Needless to say, everybody wants to know who that chap was.

0:35:340:35:37

I can't remember.

0:35:370:35:39

That chap was Tony Bray. And he wasn't a Lord.

0:35:400:35:45

He was an Army cadet who had arrived at Brasenose College in Oxford

0:35:450:35:48

a year after Margaret on a six-month Joint Services course.

0:35:480:35:53

In the autumn of 2007,

0:35:530:35:55

Tony Bray was living as a widower in a small house in Sussex.

0:35:550:35:59

That's more what I would recognise.

0:36:040:36:07

That I would totally recognise.

0:36:070:36:09

That's a nice one of her.

0:36:090:36:12

That is a typical Margaret expression,

0:36:130:36:17

which she wore more or less continuously.

0:36:170:36:20

That was the face that she put on everything.

0:36:200:36:23

I think she regarded me as somebody who was just simplistically

0:36:250:36:30

'not just a schoolboy', if you follow what I mean.

0:36:300:36:34

There were a lot of exciting schoolboys who were,

0:36:350:36:40

I'm sure, more handsome than I was, taller, whatever.

0:36:400:36:44

More flamboyant or whatever you like.

0:36:440:36:47

But that wouldn't go with her character, I don't think,

0:36:470:36:50

so I think this would be what would have attracted her.

0:36:500:36:54

And we saw a lot of each other.

0:36:540:36:56

I mean, we would see each other in our spare time.

0:36:560:36:58

And, for the most part, just sort of talking about current affairs.

0:36:580:37:02

What was going on, you know.

0:37:020:37:04

Politics, up to a point, but particularly, really,

0:37:040:37:07

the war and the situation of the war and our own hopes afterwards.

0:37:070:37:12

I think we were both interested in being with each other.

0:37:120:37:15

I think she was quite fond of me.

0:37:150:37:18

'Tony hired a car

0:37:180:37:20

'and we drove out to Abingdon to the country inn Crown and Thistle.

0:37:200:37:24

'I managed to borrow a glorious royal blue velvet cloak

0:37:240:37:28

'which matched the blue frock perfectly.'

0:37:280:37:30

She looked absolutely terrific.

0:37:300:37:33

She was wearing a large blue cloak.

0:37:330:37:36

I believe the dress underneath it was also blue, as far as I recall.

0:37:360:37:41

'I felt absolutely on top of the world as we walked through the lounge

0:37:410:37:44

'at the Crown and Thistle and everyone looked up and stared.

0:37:440:37:48

'We went into the bar and had a gin and grapefruit

0:37:480:37:51

'and then to the dining room for dinner.

0:37:510:37:54

'We had some lovely thick, creamy soup followed by pigeon

0:37:540:37:57

'and then a chocolate sweet. With that, we had Moussec to drink.

0:37:570:38:02

'Moussec, in case you don't know, is a sparkling champagne.'

0:38:020:38:06

If I can be immodest and say we were both good dancers

0:38:110:38:15

and so we thoroughly enjoyed dancing with each other.

0:38:150:38:18

And I think we probably monopolised each other's evening

0:38:180:38:21

very firmly and very successfully

0:38:210:38:23

and she didn't seem to mind that at all.

0:38:230:38:25

'We then drove back to the Randolph and got there at around 8.45pm.

0:38:250:38:30

'Things were in full swing by this time.

0:38:300:38:32

'The ballroom was marvellously decorated and all the lighting

0:38:320:38:36

'was done with huge coloured lamps operated from the balcony.

0:38:360:38:40

'There were two other Conservative couples there

0:38:400:38:42

'whom we knew rather well so we teamed up

0:38:420:38:44

''and had a thoroughly gay evening.'

0:38:440:38:47

It sounds extraordinary in this day and age, but for the most part,

0:38:500:38:53

we just sat in our rooms and talked.

0:38:530:38:56

We would have what I would describe as a sort of modest

0:38:560:38:59

amount of amorosity, for lack of a better word.

0:38:590:39:03

I think she was slightly self-conscious about her size,

0:39:030:39:07

because she wasn't a small person.

0:39:070:39:09

She was a well built, buxom person.

0:39:090:39:13

I think she regarded herself, rightly,

0:39:130:39:16

as not having a fantastic body as such.

0:39:160:39:20

But nevertheless, she could outthink every airhead there ever was around,

0:39:200:39:25

without even raising her temperature and her brains at all, I should say.

0:39:250:39:31

She invited me to spend a weekend with her family up in Grantham.

0:39:310:39:36

I remember it was a little corner shop she had there.

0:39:360:39:40

I remember a lot of steep staircases and was given a lovely room

0:39:400:39:44

and all the rest of it and looked after quite well, royally,

0:39:440:39:49

by her mother and father.

0:39:490:39:51

I mean, I enjoyed doing that, but I didn't allow it to weigh too heavily

0:39:510:39:56

on my mind, if you understand me.

0:39:560:39:58

Soon after the Grantham visit, Tony's Oxford days were over.

0:40:010:40:05

He left for Army training in Dorset. The couple corresponded for a while.

0:40:060:40:11

Tony sent Margaret this inscribed photograph

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of himself in military uniform.

0:40:140:40:16

But then the letters stopped.

0:40:160:40:18

I didn't feel beholden to write lots of letters.

0:40:200:40:24

I think I wrote one or two letters to her.

0:40:240:40:27

She, I think, was quite interested in me

0:40:270:40:30

because she wrote my parents, I know,

0:40:300:40:32

and was sort of wondering what the score was.

0:40:320:40:36

I think it just sort of faded away.

0:40:360:40:38

I think I found other young ladies

0:40:380:40:41

who were very interesting after the war.

0:40:410:40:44

And so we left it that way.

0:40:460:40:48

As Tony faded away and the War ended,

0:40:510:40:53

Margaret was left alone at Oxford.

0:40:530:40:56

She busied herself with politics,

0:40:560:40:59

becoming president of the University's Conservative Association.

0:40:590:41:03

Her letters didn't dwell on the Tony affair at all,

0:41:030:41:06

but it was undoubtedly important to her.

0:41:060:41:09

She took the relationship seriously,

0:41:090:41:11

as, being a serious minded young woman, she would.

0:41:110:41:13

You couldn't imagine her just mucking around,

0:41:130:41:16

that would never have occurred to her.

0:41:160:41:18

And the relationship had a physical aspect.

0:41:180:41:20

They kissed one another and cuddled one another

0:41:200:41:23

and by Tony Bray's account, she was very keen on that.

0:41:230:41:28

Though, he thought, not experienced.

0:41:280:41:31

He thought, I think rightly, that he was the first man.

0:41:310:41:34

They didn't sleep together, but all this was a sign of her seriousness.

0:41:340:41:39

She wouldn't have just been playing.

0:41:390:41:42

And I think it had an effect on him which she didn't desire,

0:41:420:41:46

because it put him off to some extent.

0:41:460:41:48

Because I think he realised first of all that she was more serious than he wanted.

0:41:480:41:52

Secondly, that her parents were lower class than he.

0:41:520:41:57

And thirdly, that the whole thing was just a bit too much, really.

0:41:570:42:02

At this historic ceremony, the public orator proclaims

0:42:020:42:05

the achievements of those whom Oxford is honouring.

0:42:050:42:08

Margaret graduated from Oxford in 1947

0:42:110:42:13

with a second-class degree in Chemistry.

0:42:130:42:16

She was now part of the country's graduate elite.

0:42:160:42:19

Oxford did give her the springboard that she required

0:42:210:42:25

and it gave concrete form to the ambitions

0:42:250:42:28

which were always there in her character

0:42:280:42:30

and it taught her a lot about politics.

0:42:300:42:32

She met famous people who were already adult politicians

0:42:320:42:34

who came to speak at the University.

0:42:340:42:37

And she became a more sophisticated person.

0:42:370:42:40

After the majestic spires of Oxford came the smoking stacks of industry.

0:42:470:42:52

Margaret embarked on a round of job interviews

0:42:530:42:57

at various chemical firms.

0:42:570:42:59

'The person I disliked most was the personnel manager.

0:42:590:43:02

'He was a slimy creature, not at all suitable for his job.'

0:43:020:43:06

One ICI manager complained that Margaret was

0:43:070:43:11

"too strong a personality to work here".

0:43:110:43:14

But then neither was she taken by all that they had to offer.

0:43:140:43:18

'Billingham is nothing else but ICI.

0:43:180:43:20

'One would meet nothing else but the people you worked with.

0:43:200:43:24

'No-one of the kind I'd been used to in Oxford.'

0:43:240:43:26

Eventually, after three or four interviews,

0:43:350:43:37

in the late summer of 1947, Margaret took a post as a research chemist

0:43:370:43:42

at BX Plastics in Manningtree in Essex on the River Stour.

0:43:420:43:46

She took the job because she thought the post had a managerial element

0:43:500:43:54

to it and would allow her insight into the running of a company.

0:43:540:43:57

But it was not to be,

0:43:570:43:59

as she records in her memoirs somewhat despondently...

0:43:590:44:03

'I found myself donning my white coat again

0:44:030:44:06

'and immersing myself in the wonderful world of plastics.'

0:44:060:44:09

The whole thing failed to inspire her greatly

0:44:090:44:12

after the thrills and highlife of Oxford.

0:44:120:44:14

The elated letters to Muriel about balls and dances with Tony Bray

0:44:140:44:19

gave way to more mundane matters with a familiar dash of impatience.

0:44:190:44:24

'The wear and tear on clothes of all kinds is terrific in industry.

0:44:240:44:28

'By the way, have my shoes come back from Udall's yet?

0:44:280:44:32

'I've asked that in every blessed letter I've written,

0:44:320:44:35

'but not a word about them have I received in any reply.'

0:44:350:44:38

In truth, the idea of working as a chemist never excited Margaret.

0:44:400:44:44

She took the Manningtree job because it allowed her

0:44:440:44:46

to be close to London, the heart of politics,

0:44:460:44:50

And where she hoped one day she might be able to study for the Bar.

0:44:500:44:54

Meanwhile, although Margaret had been bruised by her first boyfriend

0:44:570:45:01

adventure in Oxford, finding a man remained high on the agenda.

0:45:010:45:05

A fellow lodger, Teddy West, occasionally took her to the cinema.

0:45:070:45:11

'On Saturday evening, Teddy West and I went to the flicks.

0:45:110:45:14

'By the way, can you scrounge a packet of cigarettes to bring up for him?

0:45:140:45:18

'He buys me so many odd drinks that I like to toss him an odd 20 cigs now and then.'

0:45:180:45:23

But Teddy wasn't destined to be Mr Right.

0:45:270:45:30

If I do go out with Mr West,

0:45:300:45:32

we only go for a drink or something that doesn't demand any dressing up.

0:45:320:45:36

And he doesn't dance.

0:45:360:45:38

Teddy soon disappeared from the correspondence,

0:45:390:45:42

only to be replaced by Brian Harrison,

0:45:420:45:45

a leading member of the local Young Conservatives.

0:45:450:45:48

A former Cambridge student, tall and sporty,

0:45:480:45:52

Harrison was like a ghost of Margaret's Oxford days.

0:45:520:45:56

She was very good looking,

0:45:560:45:58

and consequently one did remember her.

0:45:580:46:01

Quite often, there were dances,

0:46:010:46:03

and she always took part

0:46:030:46:07

in those activities.

0:46:070:46:09

I remember she danced very well.

0:46:090:46:13

'He's really an Australian,

0:46:130:46:15

'but he was left a small estate of 1,500 acres in the country

0:46:150:46:18

'about five miles from Colchester,

0:46:180:46:21

'and has now come to live here permanently to look after it.

0:46:210:46:25

'He's about 26, and very nice.

0:46:250:46:27

'The brief encounter was very pleasant, and he has my address

0:46:270:46:31

'for when he comes back from the Xmas vacation.'

0:46:310:46:34

I found her very likeable, yes.

0:46:340:46:37

But I was never at the stage that Denis got to.

0:46:390:46:43

Margaret arranged her Essex life just as she had in Oxford,

0:46:470:46:50

the day job in the lab followed by the world of local Conservatives,

0:46:500:46:55

offering her a social life and feeding the real passion - politics.

0:46:550:46:59

We used just to go and take a soapbox, I suppose it was,

0:47:010:47:07

and stand there and just try and draw

0:47:070:47:10

as much attention as we could to ourselves.

0:47:100:47:14

And it worked.

0:47:140:47:16

She used her knowledge and she dealt with any hecklers extremely well.

0:47:160:47:21

'Dear Muriel, I still don't like the work very much.

0:47:210:47:25

'But the politics and social life are beginning to go with a swing,

0:47:250:47:28

'which compensates a lot.

0:47:280:47:30

'I enjoyed the Brains Trust last Wednesday, and we all went

0:47:300:47:33

'and had a drink at The George afterwards to round off the proceedings.

0:47:330:47:38

'The socialists were all of the intellectual type, and quite nice.'

0:47:380:47:42

Margaret had successfully moved her politics from the cloisters

0:47:420:47:45

of Oxford to the streets of Essex.

0:47:450:47:47

But, as ever, she preferred to write to Muriel not about policy

0:47:480:47:52

or ideology but about her appearance and a lack of money.

0:47:520:47:56

'I decided to buy a really nice undie set to go under

0:47:560:47:59

'my turquoise chiffon blouse.

0:47:590:48:02

'It is a very pale turquoise colour and cost £5 and five shillings.

0:48:020:48:06

'I'll not have to spend anything else for the rest of the month.'

0:48:060:48:11

If money was to be spent, it was to be on familiar pleasures.

0:48:120:48:16

Margaret wrote an ecstatic letter about a weekend

0:48:160:48:19

that she'd just spent back in Oxford,

0:48:190:48:21

a round of sherry parties and dinner parties,

0:48:210:48:23

a delicious taste of what she feared she may have left behind.

0:48:230:48:26

And it ended with another blast from the past.

0:48:260:48:30

'A letter from Tony Bray!

0:48:300:48:32

'The letter was very weird and sentimental.

0:48:320:48:36

'"For three years, I have not been able to write to you

0:48:360:48:38

'"due to circumstances beyond my control..."

0:48:380:48:42

'And so on in that strain.

0:48:420:48:44

'I shall write back and tell him to let sleeping dogs lie.'

0:48:440:48:47

Despite her protestations about sleeping dogs,

0:48:470:48:51

Margaret couldn't resist renewing the friendship

0:48:510:48:54

with a recently demobbed Tony.

0:48:540:48:56

She reasoned that any reunion would be...

0:48:560:48:58

'More to let him see how I've changed than to see him.'

0:48:580:49:02

She came to see me certainly once or twice when I was in Brasenose.

0:49:040:49:09

She had tea, I remember, in my rooms in Brasenose,

0:49:090:49:13

certainly on one, maybe more occasion.

0:49:130:49:15

Margaret gave an enthusiastic report to Muriel of her Oxford reunion

0:49:160:49:20

with Tony. It had been more than a quick cup of tea.

0:49:200:49:24

They dined at the Randolph and Tony took her to the theatre.

0:49:240:49:27

The weather was glorious and they punted on the river.

0:49:270:49:30

She says she found it easy to get on with him,

0:49:300:49:32

although she refused to be drawn on the former relationship.

0:49:320:49:36

'The only direct reference I had of times past was when he said,

0:49:360:49:40

'quite steadily, "You only realise what you had when you've lost it.

0:49:400:49:44

'"And you know what I'm referring to."

0:49:440:49:47

'However, I ignored the remark

0:49:470:49:49

'and conversation rapidly picked up and flowed on.'

0:49:490:49:52

There's a sense that the slighted Margaret now wants the upper hand,

0:49:520:49:56

and that her way of gaining control is to show no vulnerability,

0:49:560:50:00

make an impression, but above all hold the reins.

0:50:000:50:04

'No mention was made of any future arrangements,

0:50:040:50:07

'for which I was truly thankful

0:50:070:50:09

'for it just wouldn't have been on for me,

0:50:090:50:12

'although I quite enjoyed seeing him again for a short time.

0:50:120:50:14

'It satisfied my curiosity.

0:50:140:50:17

'But he is a weird-looking chap to cart around the place.

0:50:170:50:21

'By the way, he didn't know I had been president of OUCA.

0:50:210:50:24

'He was immensely impressed.'

0:50:240:50:26

But in September, 1948, Margaret met Tony again,

0:50:330:50:37

this time for a date in London.

0:50:370:50:39

'I was wearing my blue frock and little blue hat,

0:50:390:50:43

'little fur jacket with all wine accessories,

0:50:430:50:47

'and I forgot to mention he presented me with a spray of pink roses!'

0:50:470:50:51

The London meeting was described effusively to Muriel -

0:50:520:50:56

tea at Fullers in Regent Street,

0:50:560:50:58

a trip to see Carissima at the Palace.

0:50:580:51:01

'During the interval, we went and had gin and vermouth in the bar.

0:51:010:51:05

'Tony had booked dinner for nine o'clock at Kettner's,

0:51:050:51:07

'quite a fashionable West End restaurant.

0:51:070:51:10

'I really enjoyed the evening very much,

0:51:100:51:14

'though I wouldn't dream of re-striking up the association with Tony.'

0:51:140:51:18

They did see each other again.

0:51:200:51:22

But as before, things petered out.

0:51:220:51:25

Until, over 20 years later, this time at the House of Commons,

0:51:250:51:28

where Margaret was now a shadow environment spokesman,

0:51:280:51:30

one final meeting took place.

0:51:300:51:33

Tony, then a successful stockbroker,

0:51:330:51:36

came to the House to meet Margaret to discuss his idea

0:51:360:51:39

that council houses could be sold off to sitting tenants.

0:51:390:51:42

The policy famously appealed to Margaret.

0:51:420:51:45

But the old relationship was never even mentioned.

0:51:450:51:49

Oh, well, that shows her at her most relaxed,

0:51:510:51:55

but also shows her face and her hair.

0:51:550:51:58

That's the hair I remember.

0:51:580:52:00

I think we had a degree of happiness together

0:52:010:52:07

when we were with each other, but I think, that apart,

0:52:070:52:12

I wouldn't say that she was simplistically a happy person.

0:52:120:52:16

For Margaret, getting a man was a formula that she hadn't cracked.

0:52:170:52:21

Around the time of the Tony relationship,

0:52:210:52:25

she wrote to Muriel, saying...

0:52:250:52:26

'I don't know that your male problem is the same as mine.

0:52:260:52:29

'You seem infinitely more successful with them than I do.'

0:52:290:52:33

It's a rare expression of self-doubt.

0:52:330:52:35

But if her personal life was complicated,

0:52:380:52:40

her political life was about to take a dramatic turn for the better.

0:52:400:52:44

In October, 1948, with Margaret just 23 years old,

0:52:460:52:50

she joined Oxford's graduate delegation

0:52:500:52:53

to the Conservative Party Conference in Llandudno.

0:52:530:52:56

'I decided I couldn't possibly go to Llandudno with the communal coat

0:52:560:53:00

'as the only topcoat I had.

0:53:000:53:02

'So I drew some savings certificates out and I bought

0:53:020:53:05

'a fine, lightweight, black wool swagger.

0:53:050:53:07

'It's of a rather distinctive design.

0:53:070:53:10

'I've drawn it rather stunted, but it's full length, of course.'

0:53:100:53:13

Margaret found the quality of the speaking poor,

0:53:140:53:19

possibly because she wasn't called on to speak herself.

0:53:190:53:23

But a chance meeting with an old Oxford friend

0:53:230:53:25

led to Margaret putting herself forward

0:53:250:53:28

as a candidate for a seat in Kent.

0:53:280:53:30

Dartford was an industrial stronghold,

0:53:350:53:38

a safe Labour seat with an all but unassailable majority of 20,000.

0:53:380:53:43

The Young Conservatives referred to some of the town's housing estates

0:53:430:53:47

rather dauntingly as Little Moscow.

0:53:470:53:49

This, of course, was where Margaret was such a gem

0:53:510:53:54

when she first came to us,

0:53:540:53:58

because she is instilled into us this idea

0:53:580:54:01

that if you had the courage of your conviction,

0:54:010:54:05

you could do anything.

0:54:050:54:07

She wasn't out of the ordinary. She was just exciting.

0:54:070:54:13

Margaret's charisma won her admirers

0:54:130:54:15

not only in the local Conservative Party, but in her private life.

0:54:150:54:18

Just five days before she was formally adopted as Dartford's candidate,

0:54:180:54:23

a new man came into her life.

0:54:230:54:25

'He's about 35 and has a kind of naivete that only a Scotsman can have.

0:54:250:54:31

'I expected to be bored to tears.

0:54:310:54:33

'But in fact he was really rather sweet, with quite a sense of humour.'

0:54:330:54:37

Margaret was on the lookout for a man to accompany her into her political future.

0:54:370:54:42

The letter to Muriel is a bit like running through a CV.

0:54:420:54:46

'His farm is worth £25,000.

0:54:460:54:49

'He has 3,000 shares of ICI now standing at 47 shillings,

0:54:490:54:53

'1,000 of something else, 500 of this and that and so on and so forth...'

0:54:530:54:58

These were worthy credentials,

0:54:580:55:00

and Margaret enjoyed the attention of her new suitor.

0:55:000:55:03

'He drove me home in his present, rather old car,

0:55:030:55:07

'and got quite ardent on the way!

0:55:070:55:09

'I said I couldn't possibly fix another definite date,

0:55:090:55:11

'so he's going to phone me.

0:55:110:55:13

'The funniest part is that although I've been introduced to him twice,

0:55:130:55:16

'I can never catch his name, and still don't know it!'

0:55:160:55:20

The farmer's name was Willie Cullen,

0:55:200:55:22

and he was to figure greatly in Margaret's life.

0:55:220:55:25

History doesn't record whether he was among those listening to Margaret

0:55:250:55:28

five days later at the meeting that put the seal

0:55:280:55:31

on her selection as Dartford's new candidate.

0:55:310:55:33

But in the audience was another man.

0:55:330:55:36

'When the meeting was over,

0:55:360:55:37

'I went back and had drinks with the people I'd been dining with,

0:55:370:55:41

'a Mr and Mrs Seward.

0:55:410:55:42

'A co-director of his, a Major Thatcher,

0:55:420:55:45

'who has a flat in London, aged about 36, plenty of money,

0:55:450:55:50

'was also dining with them,

0:55:500:55:51

'and he drove me back to town at about midnight.'

0:55:510:55:54

Denis Thatcher, a former officer mentioned in dispatches,

0:55:550:55:59

had his own prosperous paint company.

0:55:590:56:01

An ex-public school boy, he was socially a cut above Margaret.

0:56:010:56:05

Popular mythology suggests that when he arrived on the scene,

0:56:050:56:09

Margaret knew he was the man for her.

0:56:090:56:11

But references to Denis in her letters

0:56:110:56:14

show that that was certainly not the case.

0:56:140:56:17

'Not a frightfully attractive creature.

0:56:170:56:20

'Very reserved but quite nice.

0:56:200:56:23

'He's not very fond of meeting people.

0:56:230:56:25

'He says he doesn't get on with them awfully well.'

0:56:250:56:28

It's an inauspicious start for Denis.

0:56:280:56:31

The Scottish farmer seems to be in pole position,

0:56:310:56:34

Margaret's comments about him being chalk from cheese

0:56:340:56:36

in comparison to the choice of words used for Denis.

0:56:360:56:40

'He is awfully sweet.

0:56:400:56:42

'I'm getting quite fond of him, and a very welcome relaxation.'

0:56:420:56:46

She liked Willie Cullen. She thought he was fun,

0:56:460:56:48

and he was very keen on her.

0:56:480:56:51

She, of course, responded to that,

0:56:510:56:53

and though he was famously being close with his money,

0:56:530:56:56

he was actually quite gallant with her.

0:56:560:56:59

But bizarrely, however fond Margaret declared herself to be,

0:56:590:57:03

in the same letter she was explicitly saying that this relationship

0:57:030:57:07

was not for her and that her sister Muriel might like to step in.

0:57:070:57:11

You had better come down here some other weekend

0:57:120:57:15

to meet the current boyfriend.

0:57:150:57:16

By the way, he will never become your brother-in-law,

0:57:160:57:20

though I have high hopes that he may be mine one day!

0:57:200:57:23

Whatever Margaret's intentions with Willie,

0:57:230:57:26

he was ready to introduce her to his family

0:57:260:57:29

at a dinner party at his home, Fulton Hall.

0:57:290:57:32

But the evening sent shivers down Margaret's spine.

0:57:320:57:35

It was a close-up view of a world she didn't wish to make her own.

0:57:350:57:40

'The wives are typical wives.

0:57:400:57:42

'They know of domestic matters and nothing else.

0:57:420:57:45

'I stayed with the men after supper, talking about many things,

0:57:450:57:48

'and when William suggested that maybe we ought to join the ladies,

0:57:480:57:52

'David, a farmer friend, said, in a rather contemptuous fashion, "Why?

0:57:520:57:56

'"They don't talk politics or anything else in there."'

0:57:560:57:59

The world of Willie Cullen

0:58:050:58:07

is very much the world of the solid yeoman farmer.

0:58:070:58:10

Absolutely no pretensions to the wider world,

0:58:100:58:13

intellectual life, the world of books. This was too narrow for her.

0:58:130:58:19

I think in particular it was too much the traditional woman's role.

0:58:190:58:24

What starts to germinate in Margaret's mind

0:58:240:58:27

is that Willie Cullen is an excellent man,

0:58:270:58:29

and why shouldn't he marry her sister, who is,

0:58:290:58:32

by the standards of that time,

0:58:320:58:34

getting on a bit and who needs a man?

0:58:340:58:37

And so all this is constructed by Margaret

0:58:370:58:41

so that Muriel and Willie will meet and it will all come to fruition.

0:58:410:58:45

But the handover from Margaret to Muriel was not immediate.

0:58:470:58:51

Margaret continued to fan the flames of Willie's ardour,

0:58:510:58:54

accompanying him to social events and enjoying gifts from him,

0:58:540:58:58

ranging from expensive scents to vital commodities - butter, eggs,

0:58:580:59:03

grapes, and one special one.

0:59:030:59:05

'William has given me a very nice black calf handbag.

0:59:060:59:11

'We had my initials put on it as well, and it looks awfully nice.

0:59:110:59:15

'I quite loftily say it's not very expensive,

0:59:150:59:18

'it's about twice as much as you or I would pay.

0:59:180:59:21

'I'll have to hang onto William for a while longer now!'

0:59:210:59:24

Margaret's new handbag became a frequent sight

0:59:280:59:30

on the streets of Dartford as she threw herself into preparations

0:59:300:59:35

for the 1950 general election.

0:59:350:59:37

She told Muriel that she had no time now

0:59:370:59:39

for what she called a private life.

0:59:390:59:42

And, refusing to be intimidated by his massive majority,

0:59:420:59:45

she took on her opponent, a sitting Labour MP, Norman Dodds.

0:59:450:59:50

She described to Muriel the two candidates' first meeting,

0:59:500:59:53

on the dance floor of a civic ball.

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'We were dragged off into the middle of the ballroom,

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'and quite a ceremony was made of the whole affair.

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'Mr Dodds said he was very sorry I was an opponent.

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'He then publicly asked me for the next dance.

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'The press took pictures and asked for reactions.

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'I said we were in tune when we were dancing.

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'And Mr Dodds said, "In perfect harmony."

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'I imagine the report will make front page news next week.'

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Away from the dance floor,

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Margaret's campaign was based on stirring patriotism,

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and she was impressive in public debate,

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thorough in her preparations.

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I would come home from doing canvassing,

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and my family, who went to help as well,

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and we would go off to bed,

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and as our room was opposite where her house was

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that she was staying, I always remember my dear father,

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he used to go to the window and look,

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and he'd say, "There's that good girl burning the midnight oil."

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Whilst Margaret was burning the midnight oil,

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the future of her liaison with farmer Willie had been left hanging.

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It needed resolution.

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His introduction to Muriel finally took place,

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and Margaret now reassured her sister

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that the field was clear for her.

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'I shan't marry Bill, for, though very fond of him,

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'I'm not in love with him,

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'and a marriage between us would falter after two or three months.'

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I think they both realised they weren't for each other.

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She alerted my mother, if you like,

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to the fact that she'd met this Scottish farmer

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and that she might suit him more than her.

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And mother was quite happy

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to live a country housewife's type of existence.

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Margaret's instincts were right.

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Muriel and Willie hit it off.

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But despite the deal with Muriel,

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Margaret must have carried on seeing Willie, because,

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when she writes enthusiastically to her sister about a new doctor

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that she's just met while visiting a Dartford hospital,

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Willie is clearly still on the scene

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and apparently still in the hunt.

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I told Willie I'd met a doctor who impressed me very much.

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and he wrote back and said was I giving him a hint to get out?

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In the same letter Margaret also mentions Denis.

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Three horses now lined up for the same race -

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the farmer, the paint man, and the doctor.

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Margaret's quest for Mr Right was becoming a bit of a soap opera.

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But in January 1950,

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one of the candidates was finally to be eliminated.

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The sisters' conspiracy was to be resolved.

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'I've written to William in the vein I told you.

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'We are meeting in London on Saturday afternoon

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'to talk over the various aspects of we three,

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'and it will then be broken off between he and I for good and all.

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'Hope you approve.'

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But before Margaret had even made it to the post box, the phone rang.

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It was Willie.

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The couple talked and Willie was finally and conclusively dumped.

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It merited a quick postscript to Muriel.

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'PPS, I told him from henceforth

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'that I would in law only be taking a sisterly interest in future.

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'He seemed quite satisfied and is quite pleased at future prospects.'

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That was that.

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And, astonishingly, only six weeks later,

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Willie and Muriel were engaged to be married.

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Margaret immediately began designing her own dress for the big day,

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and handed out advice.

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'Don't worry about the pre-wedding jitters.

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'Fi Miller says everyone has them.

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'I think you should have a headdress

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'with a little blue shoulder-length veil,

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'as otherwise folks won't know bride from bridesmaid.

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'I'll just have a little draped cap.'

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The engagement was announced in the Telegraph and Margaret rejoiced...

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'It gives the stamp of certainty to the whole affair.'

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Auntie Margaret, she was very fond of my father and he of her,

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certainly, right to the very end.

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I would've said they were more like friends

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than they were like relations, if that doesn't sound silly.

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It was a better relationship than one might have with one's sister-in-law.

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Margaret fought her first general election

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as a Conservative candidate on February 23, 1950.

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She was the youngest woman candidate in any party,

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and she was roundly applauded... in defeat.

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But she'd wiped 6,000 off the Labour majority,

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a result that was deemed a triumph, and she agreed to stand again.

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The slim Labour government majority had made another general election

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both inevitable and imminent.

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But, of course, another incentive to have a second crack at Dartford

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may have been her latest attraction.

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The Dartford Doctor.

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'We went for a drive round some of the Weald of Kent.

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'It wasn't a very nice afternoon, but still we had a very pleasant drive.

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'I think we're both getting very fond of one another,

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'in fact more than that, I hope so.'

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The doctor's name was Robert Henderson, and he was 47 years old.

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23 years Margaret's senior.

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A Commander of the British Empire, and inventor of the British

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version of the iron lung, despite his age, he was still a bachelor.

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Robert Henderson, he was the only one of the four men who

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she always describes in favourable terms.

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She never ever says anything critical about him,

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except sort of teases, about how she's worried, because he's going

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off on a cruise, and there's going to be a lot of rich women there.

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But there's nothing in any way disparaging, or mocking,

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which, to some extent, there is about the others.

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I think she really respected him and loved him,

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and thought, this is a man I can really admire,

1:05:581:06:00

and this is always a very important emotion with her and men,

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not just liking them and enjoying the company, or desiring them,

1:06:021:06:06

but actually admiring them for their achievements, and she tends

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to like older men, and indeed, men rather like her father actually.

1:06:091:06:13

But Margaret's attraction to the doctor

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was always edged with anxiety.

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Her letters to Muriel clearly indicate her fear that

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the doctor might either plump for someone else,

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or find some other reason for not pursuing the relationship.

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He apparently spent part of Christmas with a big farming family,

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who own half of the farms in Essex.

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They are enormously wealthy,

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and have five daughters of marriageable age,

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one of which is a doctor.

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The prospects don't look very hopeful, do they?

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In May 1951, Margaret took a flat in London.

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This was a key decision in her life, it allowed her finally

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to enrol for the bar, and pursue her legal ambition.

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'My goodness, there's a lot of work to be done,

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'and it will come terribly expensive.'

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Expense was an issue, for the rented flat had to be

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transformed into a home suitable for Margaret's intentions.

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For the first time, now aged 25, she would be living alone,

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and be able to entertain.

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'Flat progressing slowly, all curtains are up,

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'but lounge ones will have to come down...

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'The builders have been in, and I can now get on with the kitchen.

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'I have undercoated the walls and I'm going round tonight...

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'Then the woodwork will have to be painted, covered doors...'

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But no amount of work was ever too much for Margaret.

1:07:361:07:38

The DIY was crammed in around constituency duties.

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'I am canvassing twice a week, which is taking up quite a bit of time.

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'It doesn't look as if things will ever slack off.'

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With the flat secured, Denis Thatcher was an occasional caller.

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But he clearly still wasn't making the impact of a future husband.

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'I can't say I ever really enjoy going out for the evening with him.

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'He has not got a very prepossessing personality.'

1:08:021:08:05

In the same letter, Margaret reserved her compliments

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for the Dartford doctor, Robert Henderson.

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'Tonight, Robert is coming up, and we are going out with dinner.

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'Last time he came, I cooked a slap-up dinner, four courses,

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'just to show him!'

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But despite all Margaret's hospitality,

1:08:231:08:25

her worst fears about the doctor came true.

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Just three months after the move to London,

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the relationship was broken off, and the doctor disappeared

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altogether from Margaret's correspondence.

1:08:341:08:38

According to her father, Alf, Margaret was very upset.

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I don't think it's completely possible to

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tell from the evidence exactly what brought the relationship to an end.

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But I think I can say pretty confidently that he did not

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terminally reject her, because if he had,

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she would not have spoken to him again.

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Her pride would have been hurt,

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and she would not have wanted to go near him.

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In fact, Margaret did keep in touch with the doctor,

1:09:081:09:11

but it was a practical matter that

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led her back to him. Only two years later,

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she told her sister that she'd written to him about a medical

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issue that was on her mind - her son Mark's circumcision.

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'I don't like the idea of having it done on the health service in London,

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'as you don't know who's going to do it,

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'but it costs £15-£20 to have it done privately.

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'I am writing to Robert to ask him who does it

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'at the Victoria Hospital under the health service,

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'because I know Mark will be wonderfully looked after there.'

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With the doctor out of the running, Margaret chose to move swiftly on.

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No looking back, no regrets.

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And very quickly there came news -

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all the negative comments about Denis

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that studded her correspondence were suddenly swept aside.

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Margaret and Denis Thatcher were to be married.

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Mrs Thatcher, although she is in many ways a romantic person,

1:09:581:10:01

is also a practical person, and she's got to get married,

1:10:011:10:03

it's part of her whole life plan and expectation,

1:10:031:10:07

but in her particular case,

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it's also this need for it to fit with wider ambitions,

1:10:081:10:12

so it's very important to marry someone, ideally older

1:10:121:10:15

and better off, and settled in life.

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And suddenly there it is.

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Though undoubtedly genuinely fond of him, I think

1:10:221:10:24

the decision was not really a romantic one.

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This is the right man and the right time,

1:10:261:10:28

and suddenly she sees it all coming into place.

1:10:281:10:31

Despite the fact that Denis was divorced, Margaret's preacher

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father, Alf, was ready to welcome him as a son-in-law.

1:10:361:10:39

He is an exceedingly nice fellow.

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Also of course, very comfortably situated financially.

1:10:411:10:44

He owns a 1948 Jaguar, and also a Triumph, but is

1:10:441:10:48

wanting to get a Jaguar Mark V.

1:10:481:10:50

History records Denis as the rock in Margaret's life.

1:10:521:10:55

He acted as consort, faithfully strapped into the passenger seat.

1:10:551:10:59

He was robustly right-wing, and right from the start was

1:10:591:11:02

there to shore up her beliefs and aspirations, and performances.

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They're going to see if Denis does his share of the washing-up!

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LAUGHTER AND APPLAUSE

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'The election campaign immediately got off the mark.

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'The bill posters began to cover the hoardings with slogans, while

1:11:171:11:21

'committee rooms, staffed by eager volunteers, hummed with activity.'

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The 1951 general election was fixed for 25th October.

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It was time for Denis to make his first tentative

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steps into public life.

1:11:321:11:34

He came out to bat for his new fiancee,

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turning up to support her in his Jag,

1:11:371:11:38

and allegedly having to be restrained from tackling hecklers.

1:11:381:11:43

But for the moment, the couple's engagement was kept secret.

1:11:431:11:46

As a divorced man, Denis could lose Margaret votes.

1:11:461:11:50

This reporter came in one morning, very scruffy looking,

1:11:511:11:54

with a big bag, and dumped it on the desk, and sort of said,

1:11:541:11:57

"I'm here from the Daily Mirror,

1:11:571:11:59

"and we hear that Margaret Roberts has got engaged to Denis Thatcher."

1:11:591:12:02

Well, we didn't know anything about this anyway,

1:12:021:12:04

so we sort of said, no, and I called somebody more official, and we

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bundled him out of the door,

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and that was the first we heard ourselves.

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CHEERS

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On 25th October 1951,

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the Conservative Party won the general election.

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Winston Spencer Churchill.

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And Winston Churchill returned to Number Ten.

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But Dartford remained loyal to Labour, and although Margaret

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had further reduced the majority in her impossible seat, she lost.

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This was the end of Dartford for Margaret,

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but no matter, now she had other things on her mind.

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On 13th December 1951,

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she married Denis in London at the Wesleyan Chapel on City Road.

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She wore a velvet dress of sapphire blue,

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and a hat modelled on a Gainsborough portrait of the Duchess

1:12:541:12:57

of Devonshire - long ostrich feathers cascaded down her face.

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Finding the right man could finally come off the to-do list.

1:13:021:13:06

All of a sudden, it dawned on me, that this

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was the biggest thing in one's life, now kind of sorted out.

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And therefore, one turned one's mind both to other things.

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Is that a strange thing to say?

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That I was what? 25, 26 when we were married. It was.

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One recognised that to choose a partner for life is really

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the biggest thing in life.

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Denis proved to be a good choice for Margaret.

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Their marriage was happy and sustaining.

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Her instincts had been right, and she never regretted,

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publicly at least, her choice of the outsider in the marriage stakes.

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I suspect actually that she was in love with Tony Bray, but this

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is so early on in her life, that this is really the first

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experience of love, and just the excitement of being in love.

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And so, it would have seemed dramatic to her, that in some

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sense it wasn't serious, or it was the practice for later.

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With Willie Cullen, I think there was real affection, enjoyment,

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and some attraction, but not deep love.

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I think with Robert Henderson, there was a strong feeling

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of admiration, which goes so far that it comes into romantic love.

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And I think she was sort of touched by him,

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and Denis, in that sense, didn't mean that she wasn't serious about

1:14:181:14:23

marrying Denis, it wasn't a cynical decision, but it was on the rebound.

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The newlyweds spent their wedding night in luxurious

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surroundings that Margaret wholeheartedly approved of.

1:14:351:14:39

'The Savoy is a wonderful hotel in London.

1:14:391:14:43

'You just press a bell, and a valet, or a maid, or waiter appears.'

1:14:431:14:48

Then it was off on honeymoon, to the island of Madeira,

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where just 20 minutes after arriving,

1:14:511:14:53

Margaret wrote to her sister with her impressions.

1:14:531:14:57

'Some things that the natives think wonderful are very second-rate to us.

1:14:571:15:02

'Some of the people with us are very nice,

1:15:021:15:04

'but some are rather tatty tourists.

1:15:041:15:07

'Jews and nouveau riche.'

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Back in London, Mr and Mrs Thatcher

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moved into Denis's Chelsea bachelor pad.

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Unsurprisingly, Margaret enjoyed making her new home,

1:15:171:15:20

and the social opportunities that came with marriage.

1:15:201:15:24

'We are giving our first cocktail party a week on Monday,

1:15:241:15:26

'when we have invited 50 people to come.

1:15:261:15:30

'Eight of them are MPs, so we may have a number of last-minute

1:15:301:15:32

'refusals for unavoidable reasons.'

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Margaret started her law course in London,

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and continue to attend political conferences around the country.

1:15:391:15:43

In fact, she became so busy, that less than four

1:15:431:15:46

months into married life, her father Alf wrote to Muriel saying...

1:15:461:15:50

We had a letter from Margaret on Saturday morning,

1:15:501:15:52

obviously scrawled in great haste, but it appears that, if anything,

1:15:521:15:56

she's busier now than before marriage,

1:15:561:15:58

with one thing or the other.

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But there was always room for more in Margaret's life.

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And in June 1952, she contacted Conservative Central Office,

1:16:061:16:10

wanting to have another shot at becoming an MP.

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After the '51 election, she didn't quite know what to do.

1:16:151:16:21

She tried one or two marginal seats, and they turned her down.

1:16:211:16:27

The cry in those days -

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we want more women candidates. We want more women MPs.

1:16:281:16:32

But it always turned out when you went to a selection committee,

1:16:321:16:35

they'd say, "Well, this is an industrial,

1:16:351:16:38

"or this is an agricultural seat. And women are not quite right."

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But before Margaret could find a constituency that was

1:16:441:16:46

ready for her female talents, her plans were scuppered by pregnancy.

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On 15th August 1953, Margaret gave birth to twins, Mark and Carol.

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It was a turning point in her life.

1:16:581:17:01

And I remember looking at these two, and thinking, now, this is fantastic.

1:17:011:17:08

Now if I'm not careful, I'm never going to make an effort to get back

1:17:081:17:13

to the sort of intellectual pursuits, I'm just going to be

1:17:131:17:16

so overcome with this that I'm not going to continue with law

1:17:161:17:22

or politics or anything, and I really ought to be able to do both.

1:17:221:17:27

'England was certainly making a good start, but with his score at 37...'

1:17:271:17:31

Denis knew nothing of the birth of his children

1:17:311:17:34

until he got home from a day's watching England

1:17:341:17:36

take on Australia in a Test match at the Oval.

1:17:361:17:39

'And the first day's cricket ended.'

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And before Margaret had even left the maternity ward,

1:17:431:17:46

she'd arranged to go ahead and take her bar finals.

1:17:461:17:49

She passed them when the twins were just five months old,

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and she was only 28.

1:17:521:17:55

She was now juggling two worlds to the best of her abilities.

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'Dear Muriel, thank you very much for the vests and romper suits.

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'We have always operated on the minimum number of vests...

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'Especially as they have both had a tummy bug in the last two days,

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'and have had to be changed frequently, because of vomiting...

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'I slept in the nursery, and took over night duty, as I should

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'have been alert all night anyway, and probably have woken Denis,

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'so it seemed to me more sensible to let Nanny have a decent

1:18:181:18:21

'night's sleep, and for me to do duty.'

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I member the earliest memories I have of my mother were her

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coming home in the late afternoon,

1:18:281:18:32

and just getting on with whatever had to be done on the house.

1:18:321:18:36

And that generally would have involved beginning to cook

1:18:361:18:40

dinner, or something like that. Yes, certainly she was committed to...

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When Mother was there,

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she was fully engaged in all elements of running the home.

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She was quite determined always not to be chained to the house,

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and she felt bad about it, and she knew, although she wouldn't

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quite put it this way, that there were consequences.

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It was less happy for the children than it would otherwise have been.

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And she would in old age say that sometimes that she'd got that wrong.

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Margaret chose to specialise in tax law, a pragmatic decision,

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as it allowed a lifestyle that could fit in with motherhood.

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'The days simply fly past.

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'I go up to Lincoln's Inn most days for lectures and study.

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'At the present moment I'm trying to clear up a backlog of letters,

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'and reckon I have 50 or more to write to do this.

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'Twixt and 'tween us, we haven't a single free evening this week.'

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With the work came plenty of social opportunities.

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She and Denis enjoyed cocktail parties,

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buffet suppers, Conservative balls, and of course dancing.

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This time at the Colony Club in Berkeley Square.

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But it was around this time, with Margaret

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and Denis moving in a very different world from Muriel's,

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that the two sisters correspondence became less frequent.

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I think the relationship between the sisters definitely weakened,

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largely because of circumstances, because Margaret's so busy,

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and they're not physically very close,

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but there is also another reason, which is some social distance.

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They didn't greatly like Denis,

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and I think the reason the Cullens didn't greatly like Denis

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is that they thought that he looked down on them,

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and that they weren't grand enough for him.

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And when he turned up, he would say things like,

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"How are things down on the farm?" Making them feel small.

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Uncle Denis? He was a little bit different to us.

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Mother sometimes felt Uncle Denis was a bit pompous, and, erm...

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..came from a very privileged background,

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and looked down his nose at us mere farmers,

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but other than that, they were very good friends, all four them,

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mother, father, and Uncle Denis, and Margaret.

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Whatever was happening within the sisters' relationship,

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nothing could ultimately extinguish Margaret's passion for politics.

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Nor her ambition.

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In 1955, she'd announced that she would be putting politics

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aside for ten years to concentrate on the family, and the law.

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But like an addict, falling out of rehab,

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she was back within just 13 months.

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She tried quite a lot of places, I mean, everywhere.

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But somehow she didn't gel with some of the divisions, that's all,

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she went to look at.

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In the end, she got Finchley, and even then, she told me after,

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there were one or two people in the Association who were not very

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happy about her being a woman, but once they knew her,

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she got over that one very quickly.

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'Dear Muriel, once again I have been short-listed for a safe constituency.

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'This time it is Finchley, which has a Conservative majority of 12,000.

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'I expect the usual prejudice against women will prevail,

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'and that I shall probably become the inevitable close second.'

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She came on, neatly dressed, and everyone sort of went quiet.

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And she was just electric, she had that charisma,

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I can still see it to this day.

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She spoke so quickly, and about lots of matters,

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you couldn't possibly digest it all, but there she was, standing

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there, and obviously she would make a wonderful choice, in my eyes.

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I was amazed how good she was.

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Margaret's main rival for the Finchley seat, a one-legged

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brigadier with a Military Cross, proved no match for her.

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On July 14th 1958, she was selected candidate for Finchley.

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Denis was away, not watching cricket this time,

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but abroad on business.

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He says he learned the news in a discarded

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copy of the Evening Standard,

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that he read whilst slightly the worse for drink on a flight home.

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The Evening Standard headline was - "Tories Choose Beauty."

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We were very lucky in Finchley, I think,

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very privileged to have had her.

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Thank God we chose her, because they might not have done,

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they could have chosen one of the other three gentlemen,

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but they didn't, they chose Margaret.

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'Trafalgar Square was the chief rallying point for Londoners,

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'who aim to make election night a real night out,

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'and to see the results chalked up.'

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CHEERING

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The general election on 8th October 1959 resulted

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in victory for the Conservative Party.

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In Finchley, Margaret basked in a massive majority of over 16,000.

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I think the earliest memory I have of my mother, funnily enough,

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was the day after she was elected as a Member of Parliament,

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when I, for some reason, walked into the garage in our house in Kent,

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and my father's car was just covered in stickers with

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photos of my mother, and I knew something was going on.

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And that's an abiding memory that I have.

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Back home, in Grantham, Margaret's father was proud as Punch,

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but realised that his daughter would be busier than ever before.

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Just ten days after Margaret entered the House of Commons, he wrote

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to Muriel a letter, that is a premonition of how Margaret's

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new life will take still further away from him.

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'We're all getting settled down after the election excitement.

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'We so far have only received a short letter from Margaret,

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'but she says she is completely inundated with correspondence.

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'We realise that, so exercise patience.

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'I hope she will soon be writing to you.'

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Throughout her life, Margaret celebrated her father,

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but in truth, as she grew older, she found him an unwelcome distraction.

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This is how she described him when he came to stay with

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her and Denis, soon after her mother had died.

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'Dear Muriel, re Pop - he's eating the most enormous meals,

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'and doing absolutely nothing except reading.

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'I shall have to shunt Pop off

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'on Saturday, 14th January at the outside.

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'Will this be all right with you?

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'Otherwise he will just hang on and on, and not take any hints.'

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Just a couple of months before Alf Roberts died in 1970,

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he wrote to Muriel saying...

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'I'm sorry to say I never hear anything from Margaret,

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'either by letter or phone.

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'In fact, I don't think I know their new phone number.'

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And just ten days later,

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in one of his last surviving letters, he writes...

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'I still have not heard from Margaret...'

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Eight months after her father Alf's death, Margaret returned to

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Grantham for his memorial service, and the dedication of a lectern.

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Now Secretary of State for Education,

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she turned to her sister, and complained that she hadn't

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been seated in a position befitting of a Cabinet Minister.

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Muriel replied, "This service isn't for you."

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Mrs Thatcher fled from her background in Grantham in many

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ways, in order to become a famous and successful woman,

1:26:161:26:19

but she returned to it rhetorically,

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and funnily enough, this was genuine.

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Though she had no desire to go back to Grantham,

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and was very glad not to be there, she was always faithful to

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what she'd learned at her father's knee.

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And she did therefore project the experiences of her childhood,

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and the beliefs of her father, on a global scale.

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And that gave her, in some people's view, limitations,

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but in another way, a unique strength.

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And I think people responded to that tremendous underlying

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genuineness and simplicity which came from those roots.

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Now she's just coming into Downing Street now.

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Here comes the Prime Ministerial Rover,

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bearing now Mrs Thatcher, as Prime Minister.

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It took just under 20 years for Margaret to make

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the journey from Finchley to Number Ten.

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The great self improver had pulled off the greatest

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self-improvement imaginable - from provincial obscurity to global fame.

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Well, of course, I just owe almost

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everything to my own father, I really do.

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And it's passionately interesting to me that the

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things which I learned in a small town, in a very modest home,

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are just the things which I believe have won the election.

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'Dear Muriel, Daddy does not like the idea of medical at all,

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'but I'm taking biology, chemistry and maths...

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'And the next idea on the list is to go to university,

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'and take a science degree, then sit for a civil service exam...

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'I must stop now, as it is time to go to Sunday school.

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'Lots of love, Margaret.'

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The sisters continued to see each other, at Number Ten,

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on the farm in Essex, and at Margaret's latest address,

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Chequers, where Muriel and the family were invited.

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But although Number Ten was the ultimate letterhead,

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there would be no time for frivolous letter writing now.

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Now was the time for the affairs of state.

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