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And I would just like to remember some words of St Francis | 0:00:04 | 0:00:08 | |
of Assisi, which I think are really just particularly apt at the moment. | 0:00:08 | 0:00:14 | |
Where there is discord, may we bring harmony. | 0:00:14 | 0:00:18 | |
Where there is error, may we bring truth. | 0:00:18 | 0:00:21 | |
Where there is doubt, may we bring faith... | 0:00:21 | 0:00:23 | |
Margaret Thatcher, Britain's first woman Prime Minister. | 0:00:25 | 0:00:29 | |
Strong, strident, confident. | 0:00:29 | 0:00:32 | |
She seemed to relish a rather male image of herself. | 0:00:32 | 0:00:35 | |
Fixed, rigid, unbending. | 0:00:35 | 0:00:38 | |
'The lady's not for turning.' | 0:00:38 | 0:00:40 | |
'..rejoice at that news, | 0:00:42 | 0:00:45 | |
'and congratulate our forces and the Marines.' | 0:00:45 | 0:00:47 | |
But there is another side to the Iron Lady, another story to be told. | 0:00:51 | 0:00:56 | |
'Dear Muriel. I decided to buy a really nice undie set | 0:00:56 | 0:01:01 | |
'to go under my turquoise chiffon blouse...' | 0:01:01 | 0:01:04 | |
'..can you recommend any exercises, | 0:01:04 | 0:01:06 | |
'or anything from the medical point of view, particularly for | 0:01:06 | 0:01:09 | |
'reduction of the area of the seat, and control of the tummy muscles?' | 0:01:09 | 0:01:13 | |
'Oh, and also reductions and uplift of the bust?' | 0:01:13 | 0:01:16 | |
A remarkable correspondence has come to light | 0:01:18 | 0:01:20 | |
between Margaret Thatcher and her older sister, Muriel. | 0:01:20 | 0:01:23 | |
The letters date from Margaret's childhood, | 0:01:25 | 0:01:27 | |
and run until her early days in power. | 0:01:27 | 0:01:29 | |
Intimate, unguarded, they reveal a complex early love life. | 0:01:30 | 0:01:35 | |
'He drove me home in his present, rather old car, | 0:01:35 | 0:01:38 | |
'and got quite ardent on the way.' | 0:01:38 | 0:01:40 | |
I think she regarded herself, rightly, | 0:01:41 | 0:01:44 | |
as not having a fantastic body as such. | 0:01:44 | 0:01:46 | |
We would have what I would describe as a modest | 0:01:48 | 0:01:51 | |
amount of amorosity. | 0:01:51 | 0:01:52 | |
'He's about 26, and very nice...' | 0:01:54 | 0:01:58 | |
She was very good-looking, and my memory was she danced very well. | 0:01:58 | 0:02:03 | |
The letters upset popular mythologies about Margaret. | 0:02:05 | 0:02:08 | |
Her husband Denis, for example. | 0:02:08 | 0:02:11 | |
'I can't say I ever really enjoy going out for the evening with him.' | 0:02:11 | 0:02:14 | |
'He has not got a very prepossessing personality.' | 0:02:14 | 0:02:17 | |
And her relationship with her father, Alf. | 0:02:18 | 0:02:21 | |
'Re. Pop. He is eating the most enormous meals, | 0:02:21 | 0:02:24 | |
'and doing absolutely nothing...' | 0:02:24 | 0:02:25 | |
'..I should, however, set a deadline to take him home as soon as he comes | 0:02:25 | 0:02:28 | |
'to you, otherwise he will just hang on and on and not take any hints.' | 0:02:28 | 0:02:32 | |
Margaret's letters allow a glimpse into the private life | 0:02:33 | 0:02:36 | |
of this most public of women. | 0:02:36 | 0:02:38 | |
They shed new light on the transformation | 0:02:40 | 0:02:42 | |
of the very ordinary Margaret Hilda Roberts | 0:02:42 | 0:02:45 | |
into the very extraordinary Margaret Hilda Thatcher. | 0:02:45 | 0:02:49 | |
'Tony hired a car and we drove out to Abingdon to the country inn | 0:02:58 | 0:03:02 | |
'Crown and Thistle.' | 0:03:02 | 0:03:04 | |
'I managed to borrow a glorious royal blue velvet cloak, | 0:03:04 | 0:03:07 | |
'which matched the blue frock perfectly.' | 0:03:07 | 0:03:10 | |
"Tony had a spray of eight orchids sent for me from London, | 0:03:10 | 0:03:13 | |
"so with the front part of my hair piled up on top, | 0:03:13 | 0:03:15 | |
"Jean and Mary said I looked simply smashing." | 0:03:15 | 0:03:18 | |
"I felt absolutely on top of the world as we walked through | 0:03:18 | 0:03:21 | |
"the lounge at the Crown and Thistle, | 0:03:21 | 0:03:23 | |
"and everyone looked up and stared." | 0:03:23 | 0:03:25 | |
When Mrs Thatcher asked me to write the book, | 0:03:30 | 0:03:34 | |
obviously one of the most exciting things | 0:03:34 | 0:03:36 | |
which only I would have | 0:03:36 | 0:03:38 | |
is anything within the family, | 0:03:38 | 0:03:40 | |
pretty much none of which had come to light before, | 0:03:40 | 0:03:44 | |
and so it was natural for me, first of all, after speaking to | 0:03:44 | 0:03:48 | |
Mrs Thatcher and Denis, to go to Mrs Thatcher's sister, Muriel. | 0:03:48 | 0:03:52 | |
In the course of our conversation, | 0:03:52 | 0:03:54 | |
it became clear that she had a lot of letters from Margaret. | 0:03:54 | 0:03:59 | |
They're unsorted. | 0:03:59 | 0:04:00 | |
I assume, therefore, not censored, | 0:04:00 | 0:04:02 | |
and I think Margaret's pretty honest in these letters. | 0:04:02 | 0:04:06 | |
For example, | 0:04:06 | 0:04:08 | |
when she talks about everything to do with boyfriends and love, | 0:04:08 | 0:04:11 | |
this is not exposing her innermost soul, but I think it's honest. | 0:04:13 | 0:04:16 | |
I think it's telling Muriel accurately how she sees it, | 0:04:16 | 0:04:22 | |
what she believes has happened, what the problems are, | 0:04:22 | 0:04:26 | |
and how she's trying to deal with it. | 0:04:26 | 0:04:28 | |
"We went into the bar and had a gin and grapefruit, | 0:04:29 | 0:04:32 | |
"and then to the dining room for dinner." | 0:04:32 | 0:04:34 | |
'We had some lovely thick, creamy soup, followed by pigeon, | 0:04:34 | 0:04:37 | |
'and then a chocolate sweet.' | 0:04:37 | 0:04:39 | |
'With that, we had Moussec to drink.' | 0:04:39 | 0:04:42 | |
'Moussec, in case you don't know, is a sparkling champagne.' | 0:04:42 | 0:04:45 | |
She had a strong relationship with her sister, a happy relationship. | 0:04:53 | 0:04:57 | |
And I was always aware when she, my aunt Muriel, | 0:04:58 | 0:05:03 | |
had been in touch with my mother. | 0:05:03 | 0:05:04 | |
Generally it was in times of political difficulty. | 0:05:04 | 0:05:07 | |
That was when you could be sure that a phone call would come | 0:05:07 | 0:05:10 | |
through saying, "How are you? Everything OK?" | 0:05:10 | 0:05:13 | |
"Fine." | 0:05:13 | 0:05:15 | |
Muriel was four years older than Margaret, and her only sibling. | 0:05:15 | 0:05:19 | |
A feisty, strong-willed woman, not unlike her famous sister | 0:05:19 | 0:05:22 | |
in character, her life was far removed from that of Margaret. | 0:05:22 | 0:05:26 | |
For 46 years, she lived here on this farm in Essex, where she | 0:05:27 | 0:05:30 | |
devoted herself to raising her three children with her husband, Willie. | 0:05:30 | 0:05:34 | |
When Muriel died, her collection of letters from her sister | 0:05:36 | 0:05:39 | |
passed to her son, Margaret's nephew, Andrew. | 0:05:39 | 0:05:42 | |
We've got quite a lot of very nice things from the family. | 0:05:44 | 0:05:47 | |
My mother, unlike Auntie Margaret, was a great hoarder. | 0:05:47 | 0:05:51 | |
We have most of her letters from Margaret | 0:05:51 | 0:05:54 | |
and from Grandpa to my mother. | 0:05:54 | 0:05:56 | |
I would say they were very close as sisters, yes. | 0:05:56 | 0:05:58 | |
Even though they were several years apart, you see, | 0:05:58 | 0:06:01 | |
which one would have thought would have made a bigger difference, | 0:06:01 | 0:06:03 | |
especially back in those days, but they, although they were | 0:06:03 | 0:06:07 | |
brought up as an austere family, they were a close-knit family. | 0:06:07 | 0:06:11 | |
People often say to me, "Well, what's she like?" | 0:06:13 | 0:06:15 | |
And I say, "What's YOUR auntie like? She's just like your auntie." | 0:06:15 | 0:06:20 | |
She was just an ordinary aunt. | 0:06:20 | 0:06:22 | |
She always remembered our birthdays and Christmas. | 0:06:22 | 0:06:25 | |
She is normal, nearly. | 0:06:25 | 0:06:27 | |
'Dear Muriel. I got Daddy's present for me last Saturday. | 0:06:29 | 0:06:33 | |
'He asked me what I would like, so I said a powder bowl. | 0:06:33 | 0:06:36 | |
'He gave me a pound to go and get one, | 0:06:36 | 0:06:38 | |
'telling me to bring back the change. | 0:06:38 | 0:06:40 | |
'Got a nice one from Miss Griffin's for ten shillings. | 0:06:40 | 0:06:44 | |
'It was very plain, | 0:06:44 | 0:06:45 | |
'just ordinary glass with a little gold paint around the top.' | 0:06:45 | 0:06:48 | |
This is Grantham, where Margaret and Muriel were born | 0:06:51 | 0:06:54 | |
and spent their childhood. | 0:06:54 | 0:06:57 | |
It's a small town in Lincolnshire, built on the A1. | 0:06:57 | 0:06:59 | |
A place travelled through as much as a destination in its own right. | 0:07:01 | 0:07:05 | |
The cornerstone of the girls' lives was the family's grocer shop, | 0:07:18 | 0:07:22 | |
where they lived with their parents, Alf and Beatrice. | 0:07:22 | 0:07:25 | |
The shop was a quality shop situated on a corner, | 0:07:25 | 0:07:28 | |
positioned between the richer and poorer districts of Grantham, | 0:07:28 | 0:07:32 | |
much like the family itself. | 0:07:32 | 0:07:33 | |
Today, only a small plaque high on the wall | 0:07:35 | 0:07:37 | |
records the significant birth that took place here in 1925. | 0:07:37 | 0:07:42 | |
High enough, as one local put it, not to be peed on. | 0:07:42 | 0:07:46 | |
But Margaret was the product of a time as well as a place. | 0:07:48 | 0:07:52 | |
She was just 13 years old when the Second World War broke out. | 0:07:52 | 0:07:55 | |
AIR RAID SIRENS | 0:07:58 | 0:08:00 | |
The Second World War was a vivid reality in Grantham. | 0:08:05 | 0:08:08 | |
Being on the main railway line to Scotland and having | 0:08:08 | 0:08:11 | |
a munitions factory, it was a regular target for German bombers. | 0:08:11 | 0:08:15 | |
Inevitably, as for many of Margaret's generation, | 0:08:18 | 0:08:21 | |
the war left an indelible mark on her. | 0:08:21 | 0:08:23 | |
I'm told that Mum was studying for her exams under the dining | 0:08:28 | 0:08:31 | |
room table in Grantham, which was an area which was extraordinarily | 0:08:31 | 0:08:34 | |
active during the war. | 0:08:34 | 0:08:36 | |
And so the era of her teenage years and her formative years after that | 0:08:38 | 0:08:43 | |
were just so completely different from ours. | 0:08:43 | 0:08:45 | |
For much of the war, | 0:08:54 | 0:08:55 | |
Margaret's sister Muriel was away studying physiotherapy | 0:08:55 | 0:08:59 | |
in Birmingham, leaving Margaret as effectively an only child. | 0:08:59 | 0:09:02 | |
It was around this time that Margaret's letters | 0:09:04 | 0:09:07 | |
to her sister began. | 0:09:07 | 0:09:08 | |
They were, surprisingly, never about the terrors | 0:09:08 | 0:09:10 | |
and disruption of war, but about everyday school life. | 0:09:10 | 0:09:14 | |
They are full of personal triumphs, | 0:09:15 | 0:09:18 | |
often highlighted by comments about lesser-achieving classmates. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:21 | |
'Dear Muriel. Here are my school certificate results in detail | 0:09:23 | 0:09:26 | |
'which we got on Thursday morning. | 0:09:26 | 0:09:28 | |
'English Language, C. | 0:09:28 | 0:09:30 | |
'English Literature, C. | 0:09:30 | 0:09:32 | |
'General Literature, C. | 0:09:32 | 0:09:34 | |
'There were rather a lot of failures this year, | 0:09:34 | 0:09:36 | |
'probably due to having Camden with us for five terms. | 0:09:36 | 0:09:38 | |
'General Literature, C. | 0:09:38 | 0:09:40 | |
'History, C. | 0:09:40 | 0:09:42 | |
'Biology, C. | 0:09:42 | 0:09:43 | |
'French, C.' | 0:09:43 | 0:09:44 | |
Margaret's letters expect Muriel to be interested in the minutiae | 0:09:44 | 0:09:47 | |
of her achievements, and she's quick to criticise. | 0:09:47 | 0:09:51 | |
One poor gym mistress, for example, is... | 0:09:51 | 0:09:54 | |
'An awful old irritable thing. | 0:09:54 | 0:09:56 | |
'She had a spotty complexion, lank, greasy hair, Eton-cropped, | 0:09:56 | 0:10:00 | |
'wore glasses and dowdy clothes.' | 0:10:00 | 0:10:03 | |
Encouraged by her father, Margaret was a bright, hard-working, serious | 0:10:04 | 0:10:08 | |
girl, who'd won a scholarship to Kesteven and Grantham Girls' School, | 0:10:08 | 0:10:13 | |
where she was to become a prefect, and eventually head girl. | 0:10:13 | 0:10:16 | |
Sometimes she'd line us up for dinner, | 0:10:17 | 0:10:19 | |
and sometimes she'd take us for prep. | 0:10:19 | 0:10:22 | |
She'd sit at the teacher's desk and do her work, | 0:10:22 | 0:10:24 | |
and we'd all sit there and do our homework, | 0:10:24 | 0:10:27 | |
and we never, in fact, played her up, | 0:10:27 | 0:10:29 | |
and even though we used to chat a lot, we actually didn't with her, | 0:10:29 | 0:10:34 | |
and she did have this sort of aura that we just daren't do it, I think. | 0:10:34 | 0:10:39 | |
She had this incredible air of self-possession. | 0:10:39 | 0:10:42 | |
That's very rare, I think. | 0:10:44 | 0:10:45 | |
She was quite a matronly figure. | 0:10:46 | 0:10:49 | |
She had a bust, which I didn't have. | 0:10:51 | 0:10:54 | |
It didn't clock in until many years after! | 0:10:54 | 0:10:57 | |
She had her hair permed, and it was brown, by the way, light brown. | 0:10:57 | 0:11:02 | |
Not blonde. | 0:11:02 | 0:11:03 | |
And she was perfect with her school uniform. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:06 | |
And generally, I was in awe of her. | 0:11:06 | 0:11:10 | |
I was really impressed by this girl, and I never forgot her. | 0:11:10 | 0:11:14 | |
Margaret took her prefect responsibilities seriously, | 0:11:15 | 0:11:19 | |
and reported, somewhat witheringly, the performances of her charges. | 0:11:19 | 0:11:23 | |
There is a sense that the world might just stop turning | 0:11:23 | 0:11:25 | |
if she wasn't at the helm. | 0:11:25 | 0:11:27 | |
'Posters had to be made to draw people's attention | 0:11:27 | 0:11:29 | |
'to the fact that they simply must go to room seven. | 0:11:29 | 0:11:32 | |
'On Thursday evening, I had to sit down and do them myself. | 0:11:33 | 0:11:37 | |
'I also had to run around, providing the material for the competitions. | 0:11:37 | 0:11:41 | |
'The youngsters are very enthusiastic, | 0:11:41 | 0:11:43 | |
'but not very ready to do a lot.' | 0:11:43 | 0:11:45 | |
You learn many things, of course, about Margaret through the letters. | 0:11:47 | 0:11:51 | |
You learn, of course, which is no surprise, | 0:11:51 | 0:11:53 | |
that she's hard-working and competitive. | 0:11:53 | 0:11:55 | |
She notices how other people are doing in the class, | 0:11:55 | 0:11:59 | |
what her own results are in exams, which she'll give at some length. | 0:11:59 | 0:12:05 | |
She always monitors her own achievements. | 0:12:05 | 0:12:08 | |
What she doesn't do, however, is introvert. | 0:12:08 | 0:12:11 | |
She doesn't look in upon herself. | 0:12:11 | 0:12:13 | |
It's absolutely unthinkable with her that she'd say what | 0:12:14 | 0:12:17 | |
so many teenagers or young people would say. | 0:12:17 | 0:12:19 | |
"Where's my life going?" | 0:12:19 | 0:12:21 | |
"What am I doing? Why am I on this earth at all?" | 0:12:21 | 0:12:25 | |
Nothing like that. | 0:12:25 | 0:12:26 | |
Of all the potential influences that shaped the young Margaret | 0:12:29 | 0:12:33 | |
into such a serious young girl, | 0:12:33 | 0:12:34 | |
it was perhaps her father who made the greatest impact. | 0:12:34 | 0:12:37 | |
Alf Roberts was a self-taught, self-made man, | 0:12:40 | 0:12:43 | |
whose grocer shop was a monument to the sort of personal enterprise | 0:12:43 | 0:12:46 | |
and self-improvement that Margaret championed throughout her career. | 0:12:46 | 0:12:50 | |
A strong moral code hung over the Roberts household, | 0:12:54 | 0:12:57 | |
and coloured everything they did. | 0:12:57 | 0:13:00 | |
It was rooted in the Methodism that was the spine of the family's life. | 0:13:00 | 0:13:04 | |
Margaret's father, Alf, was a lay preacher, | 0:13:05 | 0:13:08 | |
and on Sunday it was chapel three times a day. | 0:13:08 | 0:13:11 | |
It was here that Margaret listened to her father's sermons. | 0:13:12 | 0:13:15 | |
Grandpa wasn't a great deal of fun. | 0:13:20 | 0:13:25 | |
I think, probably, I was a wild, dirty farm boy, | 0:13:25 | 0:13:28 | |
as far as he was concerned, | 0:13:28 | 0:13:29 | |
and I think I said something pretty frivolous in front of him once, | 0:13:29 | 0:13:33 | |
and I certainly got reprimanded fairly heavily for it. | 0:13:36 | 0:13:38 | |
Mr Roberts would not have any Sunday newspapers in the house, | 0:13:38 | 0:13:41 | |
believing that it was anti-Christ or anti-God to read frivolous stuff, | 0:13:43 | 0:13:48 | |
such as it was in those days, on Sunday. | 0:13:48 | 0:13:53 | |
Well, that's pretty archaic, isn't it? | 0:13:53 | 0:13:56 | |
By present-day standards! | 0:13:56 | 0:13:57 | |
Alf's Methodism was all or nothing. | 0:14:00 | 0:14:03 | |
He had no truck with other denominations, especially - | 0:14:03 | 0:14:07 | |
horror of horrors - Catholicism, as he made clear in a letter to Muriel. | 0:14:07 | 0:14:11 | |
'Dear Muriel, | 0:14:12 | 0:14:13 | |
'I have been very worried about Margaret this last few days, | 0:14:13 | 0:14:16 | |
'about her always having Mary with her wherever she goes, and | 0:14:16 | 0:14:19 | |
'wondering if Mary was doing a lot of Catholic propaganda with Margaret. | 0:14:19 | 0:14:24 | |
'I have written to Margaret about it, as I should be grieved | 0:14:24 | 0:14:27 | |
'beyond measure if the Roman Catholics got hold of her. | 0:14:27 | 0:14:30 | |
'She would no longer be free. They might cause untold family misery.' | 0:14:30 | 0:14:34 | |
Alf's agonies about the lure of Rome were unfounded. | 0:14:36 | 0:14:39 | |
In fact, throughout her life, | 0:14:39 | 0:14:40 | |
Margaret drifted between Methodism and Anglicanism. | 0:14:40 | 0:14:44 | |
But in essence, she was Methodist to the core. | 0:14:44 | 0:14:46 | |
Mother was a woman of considerable faith. | 0:14:47 | 0:14:50 | |
It was an important component or adjunct in her | 0:14:50 | 0:14:53 | |
feelings of self-reliance, duty and responsibility, | 0:14:53 | 0:14:57 | |
but also her faith gave her a sense of Samaritanesque | 0:14:57 | 0:15:03 | |
attitude as well, in which, yes, there needs to be, | 0:15:03 | 0:15:06 | |
there must be, necessarily be an element of charity, | 0:15:06 | 0:15:10 | |
assistance and help to others. | 0:15:10 | 0:15:12 | |
But as she always used to say, | 0:15:13 | 0:15:15 | |
even the Good Samaritan needed money to do it. | 0:15:15 | 0:15:18 | |
Alf Roberts devoted himself to the task of giving his daughters | 0:15:20 | 0:15:23 | |
more than he had had himself. | 0:15:23 | 0:15:26 | |
But in later life, he told Muriel that he felt | 0:15:26 | 0:15:28 | |
some of his sacrifices went unappreciated by Margaret. | 0:15:28 | 0:15:32 | |
In a letter to Muriel, he said... | 0:15:32 | 0:15:34 | |
'Margaret has been very hard at times, | 0:15:34 | 0:15:36 | |
'and apparently ungrateful for all I've done, although that hasn't, | 0:15:36 | 0:15:40 | |
'and wouldn't stop me from doing all I could for either of you. | 0:15:40 | 0:15:43 | |
'But truthfully, it has kept me poor.' | 0:15:43 | 0:15:45 | |
Alongside religion, | 0:15:47 | 0:15:49 | |
the overriding preoccupation of the Roberts household was politics. | 0:15:49 | 0:15:53 | |
Alf Roberts was a committed town councillor. | 0:15:55 | 0:15:58 | |
When he wasn't in the pulpit, he was busy doing good for Grantham. | 0:15:58 | 0:16:01 | |
He became Mayor, and was eventually awarded the title of Alderman. | 0:16:02 | 0:16:06 | |
For Margaret, politics was on the menu every day. | 0:16:09 | 0:16:12 | |
At home, above the Roberts' shop, the affairs of the day were | 0:16:13 | 0:16:16 | |
picked over, debated around the kitchen table. | 0:16:16 | 0:16:19 | |
But Margaret's childhood was not all serious debate and religion. | 0:16:21 | 0:16:24 | |
She was not all work and no play. | 0:16:25 | 0:16:27 | |
Margaret's letters show that she was a young | 0:16:29 | 0:16:31 | |
woman like any other, with familiar passions. | 0:16:31 | 0:16:34 | |
Clothes, meetings with girlfriends, and a favourite pastime, | 0:16:34 | 0:16:38 | |
trips to the local State Cinema. | 0:16:38 | 0:16:40 | |
'Dear Muriel. Quiet Weekend is here this week, | 0:16:42 | 0:16:46 | |
'and two other girls and I went to see it on Monday.' | 0:16:46 | 0:16:49 | |
'It's an absolute scream. I laughed more than I have for months.' | 0:16:49 | 0:16:54 | |
'I wish you'd seen it.' | 0:16:54 | 0:16:56 | |
We're not going to let a ruddy policeman stop us! | 0:16:56 | 0:16:59 | |
'Earlier in the week, Tuesday, to be precise, | 0:16:59 | 0:17:01 | |
'I went to see Love On The Dole with Mummy. | 0:17:01 | 0:17:04 | |
'But I can't say that I enjoyed it, although it was a good film.' | 0:17:04 | 0:17:08 | |
Margaret loved the cinema, | 0:17:09 | 0:17:12 | |
and it was the American films that really caught her imagination. | 0:17:12 | 0:17:15 | |
We had a cinema called the State, and of course | 0:17:18 | 0:17:21 | |
we had American films, and they really were our window on the world. | 0:17:21 | 0:17:26 | |
And I think this must have impressed Margaret. It certainly did me. | 0:17:26 | 0:17:31 | |
Those accents, and they were heroes on the screen. | 0:17:31 | 0:17:35 | |
In 1943, the heroes came to Grantham. | 0:17:36 | 0:17:40 | |
The American Air Force established bases in the area. | 0:17:40 | 0:17:43 | |
For the young ladies of Grantham, | 0:17:43 | 0:17:45 | |
the Americans were manna from Heaven. | 0:17:45 | 0:17:47 | |
And for Margaret, | 0:17:47 | 0:17:48 | |
it was the beginning of an enduring love for all things transatlantic. | 0:17:48 | 0:17:52 | |
She really liked all that, and she liked that culture, | 0:17:53 | 0:17:56 | |
and she very much admired the American military, | 0:17:56 | 0:18:00 | |
and she always felt at home with them. | 0:18:00 | 0:18:02 | |
I think, therefore, | 0:18:02 | 0:18:03 | |
the coming of Ronald Reagan as President of the United States | 0:18:03 | 0:18:06 | |
fitted very well with all of that, | 0:18:06 | 0:18:08 | |
because she'd seen him in some films, | 0:18:08 | 0:18:12 | |
she knew who he was because of that, he's of that generation. | 0:18:12 | 0:18:15 | |
Didn't fight in the war, actually, | 0:18:15 | 0:18:17 | |
but she has an immediate sympathy with a man who looks like that, | 0:18:17 | 0:18:21 | |
because appearance is always very important. | 0:18:21 | 0:18:24 | |
Tall, genial, very American American, | 0:18:24 | 0:18:27 | |
who was always very courtly to her, | 0:18:27 | 0:18:29 | |
and this was just a whole set of things that made her feel at home. | 0:18:29 | 0:18:33 | |
The Americans became notorious in Grantham. | 0:18:35 | 0:18:39 | |
They organised jives at the airbases. | 0:18:39 | 0:18:41 | |
But Margaret's letters don't record whether she joined in. | 0:18:41 | 0:18:44 | |
Most likely not. | 0:18:44 | 0:18:46 | |
Her restrictive parents kept her on a tight lead. | 0:18:46 | 0:18:48 | |
Indeed, there were almost certainly no boyfriends | 0:18:53 | 0:18:55 | |
in Margaret's life during her Grantham years. | 0:18:55 | 0:18:58 | |
But she was always well turned out, | 0:18:59 | 0:19:01 | |
and aware of the impact she made on others, men included. | 0:19:01 | 0:19:05 | |
And when, towards the end of the war, | 0:19:05 | 0:19:07 | |
she started going to more sedate local dances, | 0:19:07 | 0:19:09 | |
she was often the target of eager suitors, | 0:19:09 | 0:19:12 | |
such as a man she met at a Christmas dance in nearby Corby. | 0:19:12 | 0:19:16 | |
'He was, I gather, a rather famous football referee, | 0:19:16 | 0:19:19 | |
'for he has done, at any rate, one, if not more cup finals.' | 0:19:19 | 0:19:23 | |
'He is about 35, I should say.' | 0:19:23 | 0:19:26 | |
'He wanted me to go to the pictures with him.' | 0:19:26 | 0:19:28 | |
'I don't want to go around with a man of his age, | 0:19:28 | 0:19:31 | |
'and when I vaguely mentioned the fact at home, Daddy said, | 0:19:31 | 0:19:34 | |
'"No, of course you won't", in a very final tone.' | 0:19:34 | 0:19:37 | |
In fact, Margaret always had a taste for the company of older men, | 0:19:38 | 0:19:42 | |
whatever her father Alf's protestations. | 0:19:42 | 0:19:45 | |
But although much is made of her relationship with her father, | 0:19:45 | 0:19:48 | |
far less is said or known about Mrs Roberts. | 0:19:48 | 0:19:51 | |
Grandma was just a quiet, | 0:19:52 | 0:19:55 | |
very supportive person in the background, really. | 0:19:55 | 0:19:58 | |
Yeah. | 0:19:58 | 0:19:59 | |
Very much her husband's second fiddle, rather than a noisy type. | 0:19:59 | 0:20:04 | |
Beatrice Roberts came into her husband's life through Methodism, | 0:20:04 | 0:20:08 | |
and was the daughter of a cloakroom attendant at Grantham Station. | 0:20:08 | 0:20:11 | |
A seamstress, she was neat and tidy as a tailor's pattern. | 0:20:11 | 0:20:15 | |
Margaret's letters to her sister suggest that Beatrice, | 0:20:15 | 0:20:18 | |
far from being a non-figure in her life, a quiet absence, | 0:20:18 | 0:20:21 | |
had a sort of censoring presence, a drain of the spirit. | 0:20:21 | 0:20:25 | |
'I have decided that maroon would be the best colour for my wardrobe, | 0:20:26 | 0:20:30 | |
'as I am having that pinky dress made up.' | 0:20:30 | 0:20:32 | |
'I haven't told Mummy and Daddy about it, | 0:20:32 | 0:20:34 | |
'as I am sure that Mummy at any rate, would find it very extravagant.' | 0:20:34 | 0:20:37 | |
Muriel candidly described her mother as a bigoted Methodist, | 0:20:39 | 0:20:43 | |
and admitted the two girls were not close to her. | 0:20:43 | 0:20:46 | |
Indeed, a footnote in a letter from Margaret to Muriel shows how the | 0:20:46 | 0:20:49 | |
distance between the girls and their mother was even of concern to Alf. | 0:20:49 | 0:20:53 | |
'PS. Daddy did wish you would find a nice fellow, | 0:20:54 | 0:20:58 | |
'as if anything happened to him, you wouldn't get on with Mummy, | 0:20:58 | 0:21:01 | |
'and so wouldn't have a home unless married. | 0:21:01 | 0:21:03 | |
'He said this was his biggest worry at the moment.' | 0:21:03 | 0:21:06 | |
Mrs Thatcher didn't like talking about her mother, | 0:21:07 | 0:21:10 | |
because I think it was hard for her to combine two things | 0:21:12 | 0:21:15 | |
which she genuinely felt. | 0:21:15 | 0:21:17 | |
One was respect and affection, and the other was this boredom, really. | 0:21:17 | 0:21:21 | |
And a bit of guilt, as well, | 0:21:21 | 0:21:23 | |
because she never actually had an engagement with her mother, | 0:21:23 | 0:21:27 | |
and had interesting conversations with her, and enjoyed her company. | 0:21:27 | 0:21:32 | |
But her mother was actually, I think, a strong character, | 0:21:32 | 0:21:35 | |
and also had this aspect of domestic life which Margaret | 0:21:35 | 0:21:38 | |
does like very much, which is this neatness, cleanness and skill, | 0:21:38 | 0:21:41 | |
particularly because she was a seamstress, | 0:21:41 | 0:21:44 | |
and it's one thing that Margaret would go back to again | 0:21:44 | 0:21:46 | |
and again in conversation, her mother's skill as a seamstress. | 0:21:46 | 0:21:49 | |
'Has Mummy started my blue slip and panties, do you know? | 0:21:49 | 0:21:52 | |
'If she is going to do the panties, I would like them in the style | 0:21:52 | 0:21:55 | |
'we did the parachute ones, cut on the cross from a small yoke.' | 0:21:55 | 0:21:58 | |
My mother, something which is not necessarily known about her, | 0:22:00 | 0:22:03 | |
she was extremely good with her hands, | 0:22:03 | 0:22:05 | |
and it would be nothing for her to repair curtains, | 0:22:05 | 0:22:09 | |
or even make them herself if she had the time to do so. | 0:22:09 | 0:22:12 | |
I certainly remember, on a couple of occasions, | 0:22:12 | 0:22:16 | |
she turned her hand to that, and quite successfully, so from that | 0:22:16 | 0:22:20 | |
perspective, there was an element of self-reliance, if you will. | 0:22:20 | 0:22:24 | |
Thrift, I think, would be the word that comes to mind, | 0:22:24 | 0:22:27 | |
and certainly, I think that applied to everything that she did. | 0:22:27 | 0:22:30 | |
'I seem to have a colossal amount of mending to do. | 0:22:30 | 0:22:34 | |
'All coat linings seem suddenly to have gone, and stockings, | 0:22:34 | 0:22:38 | |
'they are rapidly disappearing into thin air.' | 0:22:38 | 0:22:41 | |
Self-reliance, hard work, drive. | 0:22:41 | 0:22:44 | |
These were characteristics of the young Margaret, and aged just 16, | 0:22:44 | 0:22:50 | |
she'd already formed a confident vision of her future. | 0:22:50 | 0:22:53 | |
'Dear Muriel. Daddy does not like the idea of medical at all, | 0:22:53 | 0:22:57 | |
'but I am taking biology, chemistry and maths main, with French subsid.' | 0:22:57 | 0:23:02 | |
'The next idea on the list is to go to university | 0:23:02 | 0:23:04 | |
'and take a science degree, | 0:23:04 | 0:23:06 | |
'then sit for a civil service exam for posts abroad. | 0:23:06 | 0:23:10 | |
'A degree is necessary for this for a woman.' | 0:23:10 | 0:23:12 | |
I think this is a much more modern desk. | 0:23:15 | 0:23:16 | |
I think these were new in my time. I think those were the old ones. | 0:23:16 | 0:23:20 | |
Those are the very old ones. | 0:23:20 | 0:23:22 | |
Margaret's drive and ambition | 0:23:22 | 0:23:24 | |
and stamina for hard work brought her academic success. | 0:23:24 | 0:23:27 | |
She appreciated her school and its role in her triumphs, | 0:23:27 | 0:23:30 | |
and when she accepted a peerage, | 0:23:30 | 0:23:32 | |
it was the name of the school that she took. | 0:23:32 | 0:23:34 | |
Baroness Thatcher of Kesteven. | 0:23:34 | 0:23:36 | |
Not the name of her hometown, Grantham. | 0:23:36 | 0:23:39 | |
Indeed, by the age of 18, Grantham was pretty much done for her. | 0:23:40 | 0:23:45 | |
She had won a place to study chemistry at Oxford University. | 0:23:45 | 0:23:48 | |
ARCHIVE: 'For more than 700 years, | 0:24:02 | 0:24:04 | |
'Oxford has flourished as a centre for learning and culture.' | 0:24:04 | 0:24:08 | |
'Through calm and storm, Triumph and disaster, | 0:24:09 | 0:24:12 | |
'it has grown in greatness of knowledge, making a continuous | 0:24:12 | 0:24:15 | |
'contribution to the civilisation of the Western world.' | 0:24:15 | 0:24:17 | |
My father, I think, | 0:24:19 | 0:24:20 | |
was college or university material that couldn't go, | 0:24:20 | 0:24:23 | |
and therefore he was desperately anxious that I should have | 0:24:23 | 0:24:27 | |
every opportunity to go, and although he wasn't wealthy, I well remember | 0:24:27 | 0:24:31 | |
when it came to the fact that I wanted to go to Oxford, | 0:24:31 | 0:24:34 | |
and you had to have Latin to go to Oxford, | 0:24:34 | 0:24:36 | |
and my school hadn't provided Latin in the curriculum. | 0:24:36 | 0:24:39 | |
Nevertheless, he sacrificed enough to have me | 0:24:39 | 0:24:42 | |
taught Latin by the local grammar school teacher, and I did it. | 0:24:42 | 0:24:46 | |
He was desperately anxious to give me | 0:24:46 | 0:24:49 | |
every chance that he hadn't had, and I owe almost everything to this. | 0:24:49 | 0:24:54 | |
'Women, too, have their place at Oxford, | 0:24:54 | 0:24:55 | |
'sharing equal opportunities with the men.' | 0:24:55 | 0:24:58 | |
'They can prepare for careers in medicine, biology, law, and a dozen | 0:24:58 | 0:25:02 | |
'other spheres which, not many years ago, were closed to them.' | 0:25:02 | 0:25:05 | |
I think she had very good memories of Oxford. | 0:25:05 | 0:25:09 | |
It provided an exciting crucible for many of the aspects of her | 0:25:09 | 0:25:15 | |
life which were particularly important. | 0:25:15 | 0:25:18 | |
Rigorous, intellectual examination, as well as industrious learning, | 0:25:18 | 0:25:23 | |
and exciting and profound debate on all elements of university life, | 0:25:23 | 0:25:29 | |
including the political component. | 0:25:29 | 0:25:31 | |
Margaret took up a place at Somerville College, | 0:25:32 | 0:25:36 | |
and found it, just like Grantham, altered by the war. | 0:25:36 | 0:25:38 | |
The college buildings were, of course, all blacked out. | 0:25:40 | 0:25:43 | |
There were battle walls in front of the library | 0:25:43 | 0:25:45 | |
and some of the other buildings. | 0:25:45 | 0:25:47 | |
There were static water tanks in the gardens. | 0:25:47 | 0:25:49 | |
There was one there, in front of the chapel, | 0:25:49 | 0:25:51 | |
and one in the east quadrangle. | 0:25:51 | 0:25:54 | |
And the students themselves were expected to take | 0:25:54 | 0:25:56 | |
part in various forms of war service in their spare time. | 0:25:56 | 0:26:01 | |
Hoeing for victory on the lawn. | 0:26:01 | 0:26:03 | |
The favourite one, in which Margaret Roberts engaged, | 0:26:03 | 0:26:06 | |
was entertaining American servicemen. | 0:26:06 | 0:26:08 | |
But from Margaret's point of view, | 0:26:10 | 0:26:12 | |
although she went to Oxford with two Grantham friends, she admitted | 0:26:12 | 0:26:15 | |
in her memoirs that she found the place cold and strangely forbidding. | 0:26:15 | 0:26:20 | |
She says she went for walks alone around Christchurch Meadow, | 0:26:22 | 0:26:25 | |
and into Addison's Walk in Magdalen. | 0:26:25 | 0:26:27 | |
'Dear Muriel. I washed and went into dinner at 7.15, | 0:26:29 | 0:26:34 | |
'expecting to see a number of people there.' | 0:26:34 | 0:26:36 | |
'But found to my dismay | 0:26:36 | 0:26:38 | |
that I was the only person that had yet arrived.' | 0:26:38 | 0:26:41 | |
'So I had dinner in a solitary state, alone in that immense hall.' | 0:26:41 | 0:26:45 | |
Oxford was a very different world to provincial Grantham, | 0:26:46 | 0:26:50 | |
and one in which Margaret struggled to find her place. | 0:26:50 | 0:26:53 | |
She was now one amongst many high achieving young women, | 0:26:53 | 0:26:56 | |
no longer at the top of the academic tree. | 0:26:56 | 0:27:00 | |
The Somerville hall was a lovely hall, | 0:27:00 | 0:27:02 | |
but it was set out with the high table, as always, at one end, | 0:27:02 | 0:27:06 | |
and then the rest of the hall was three tables in the long row, | 0:27:06 | 0:27:12 | |
and the top table tended to be the more exotic girls, | 0:27:12 | 0:27:16 | |
reading perhaps PPE, and the bottom table, I'm afraid, | 0:27:16 | 0:27:21 | |
we thought were bit of a snooty lot, was Roedean and Cheltenham Ladies' | 0:27:21 | 0:27:25 | |
and Downe House in the bottom lot. | 0:27:25 | 0:27:28 | |
And Margaret, of course, came from an ordinary grammar school. | 0:27:28 | 0:27:31 | |
I don't think she'd have lasted for a minute, actually, | 0:27:31 | 0:27:34 | |
in either the first table at the top for talk, or the bottom, | 0:27:34 | 0:27:41 | |
who were the real people with the real accents. | 0:27:41 | 0:27:44 | |
I can remember her saying to me once in Oxford days | 0:27:46 | 0:27:51 | |
in her new, refined sort of voice, | 0:27:51 | 0:27:54 | |
"Margaret, don't you wish, | 0:27:54 | 0:27:56 | |
"when you're asked where you went to school, | 0:27:56 | 0:28:00 | |
"and you wish, don't you, | 0:28:00 | 0:28:03 | |
"that you could say Cheltenham Ladies' College, | 0:28:03 | 0:28:06 | |
"instead of Kesteven and Grantham Girls' School?" | 0:28:07 | 0:28:10 | |
It was difficult with Margaret, | 0:28:13 | 0:28:14 | |
because she was always a rather aloof person. | 0:28:14 | 0:28:18 | |
She didn't easily unbend. | 0:28:19 | 0:28:22 | |
I think there was always a degree of difficulty about her | 0:28:22 | 0:28:27 | |
communications with the rest of us. | 0:28:27 | 0:28:29 | |
One got that impression with Margaret that she wasn't | 0:28:29 | 0:28:32 | |
a real person. | 0:28:32 | 0:28:34 | |
I don't think she was very good at making friends, girlfriends, ever. | 0:28:34 | 0:28:38 | |
Right through her life. Not many. | 0:28:40 | 0:28:42 | |
If Somerville failed to provide Margaret with friendships, | 0:28:44 | 0:28:46 | |
perhaps it was in part | 0:28:46 | 0:28:48 | |
because it was considered an overwhelmingly left-wing college. | 0:28:48 | 0:28:51 | |
Hardly a marriage made in Heaven. | 0:28:51 | 0:28:53 | |
But just along the road was the antidote. | 0:28:54 | 0:28:57 | |
The Taylorian Institute. | 0:28:57 | 0:28:58 | |
Meeting place of the University's Conservative Association. | 0:28:59 | 0:29:03 | |
The association would gather there | 0:29:04 | 0:29:05 | |
and often dine opposite in the rather grand Randolph Hotel. | 0:29:05 | 0:29:09 | |
Smart places, both of them, and a long way from Grantham. | 0:29:09 | 0:29:13 | |
Margaret signed up enthusiastically, and the Oxford University | 0:29:15 | 0:29:19 | |
Conservative Association, or OUCA, became her home. | 0:29:19 | 0:29:22 | |
'Dear Muriel. As regards Conservative activities this term, | 0:29:25 | 0:29:29 | |
'I gave my paper on agricultural policy, | 0:29:29 | 0:29:31 | |
'which was a staggering success.' | 0:29:31 | 0:29:33 | |
'Also, I went to a number of Conservative study groups, as well | 0:29:34 | 0:29:38 | |
'as the regular meetings on Friday nights and committee meetings etc.' | 0:29:38 | 0:29:41 | |
We were joined by this delightful, very active girl, | 0:29:43 | 0:29:47 | |
who knew exactly what she was doing, and she was very focused, | 0:29:47 | 0:29:52 | |
and she knew her politics inside out. | 0:29:52 | 0:29:57 | |
Whereas we were rather thrashing around. | 0:29:57 | 0:30:00 | |
Everybody, of course, was tuned into politics already, | 0:30:00 | 0:30:05 | |
but the rest of us were complete beginners, | 0:30:05 | 0:30:09 | |
and learning as we went along. | 0:30:10 | 0:30:14 | |
But Margaret really knew what she was doing, and was totally focused. | 0:30:14 | 0:30:19 | |
Oxford brought Margaret face-to-face with the country's aristocracy, | 0:30:21 | 0:30:25 | |
many of whom shared her Conservatism. | 0:30:25 | 0:30:28 | |
She got on easily with them. | 0:30:30 | 0:30:31 | |
So much so, that when the Duke of Buccleuch became aware that | 0:30:31 | 0:30:34 | |
Margaret had financial difficulties, he organised a whip round | 0:30:34 | 0:30:38 | |
and bought her a bicycle. | 0:30:38 | 0:30:40 | |
She was very active, and actually distributed our leaflets. | 0:30:41 | 0:30:45 | |
She'd go off on her bicycle with her basket, | 0:30:45 | 0:30:50 | |
and go to the sort of places you wouldn't dare go to nowadays. | 0:30:50 | 0:30:55 | |
You wouldn't let your daughter disappear into the dark alleyways | 0:30:55 | 0:31:00 | |
of factories and other places. | 0:31:01 | 0:31:05 | |
Anyhow, she went off, as brave as could be. | 0:31:05 | 0:31:09 | |
But more than just the chance to hobnob with the odd duke, the | 0:31:11 | 0:31:14 | |
University Conservative Association opened up social life for Margaret. | 0:31:14 | 0:31:18 | |
'The Conservative dinner was on 24 February. | 0:31:29 | 0:31:32 | |
'The committee guests and speakers had a sherry party | 0:31:32 | 0:31:34 | |
'in the Randolph beforehand, | 0:31:34 | 0:31:36 | |
'and then we went into dinner at seven o'clock.' | 0:31:36 | 0:31:39 | |
We had meetings, we had government ministers who came, and we | 0:31:41 | 0:31:46 | |
had the normal pattern of dinner, which the chairman, the president | 0:31:46 | 0:31:51 | |
would be host, with a visiting cabinet minister | 0:31:51 | 0:31:55 | |
or whoever on their right. | 0:31:55 | 0:31:57 | |
And the committee ranged round, all paid for. | 0:31:57 | 0:32:00 | |
I thought it was a perfectly good dinner. | 0:32:00 | 0:32:03 | |
For Margaret, these events were a chance to dress up, | 0:32:05 | 0:32:08 | |
to make the most of her wardrobe, to look her best. | 0:32:08 | 0:32:11 | |
To enjoy the bling. | 0:32:11 | 0:32:12 | |
'Dear Muriel. SOS. | 0:32:13 | 0:32:16 | |
'Could I borrow your pearls for the first of three meetings | 0:32:16 | 0:32:18 | |
'when I shall be wearing black? | 0:32:18 | 0:32:20 | |
'My black two-piece for the first and third, | 0:32:20 | 0:32:22 | |
'and your black dinner frock for the second, if you would send it. | 0:32:22 | 0:32:26 | |
'But the most important thing is the pearls, which have to be | 0:32:26 | 0:32:29 | |
'sent off straight away if they are to reach me by Friday.' | 0:32:29 | 0:32:32 | |
I wear them, | 0:32:34 | 0:32:35 | |
not only because pearls have been the thing | 0:32:35 | 0:32:38 | |
for English women for years, but they have a sort of luminescence | 0:32:38 | 0:32:41 | |
about them, and particularly pearl earrings, | 0:32:41 | 0:32:44 | |
and they do just give your face a little lift. | 0:32:44 | 0:32:47 | |
Margaret retained a fastidiousness about her appearance | 0:32:47 | 0:32:50 | |
throughout her life, and an almost forensic ability to recall | 0:32:50 | 0:32:54 | |
what she'd worn on any particular occasion. | 0:32:54 | 0:32:56 | |
I stand before you tonight in my Red Star chiffon evening gown... | 0:32:56 | 0:33:02 | |
Lady Thatcher always loved clothes, and she loved good fabrics. | 0:33:05 | 0:33:09 | |
Her mother was a dressmaker, | 0:33:09 | 0:33:11 | |
so she saw a lot of very nice clothes coming in and out of the | 0:33:11 | 0:33:15 | |
house in Grantham, and the mother made a lot of the girls' clothes. | 0:33:15 | 0:33:20 | |
She had a sister, Muriel. | 0:33:20 | 0:33:21 | |
And she knew about hemming and seaming, and all sorts of things. | 0:33:22 | 0:33:28 | |
And a thing we've learned is never really press your hem. | 0:33:28 | 0:33:33 | |
You know, sometimes you see people ironing a dress, | 0:33:33 | 0:33:35 | |
and they press along the hem until it looks like a knife edge. | 0:33:35 | 0:33:38 | |
And then if you want to let it down, you can't. | 0:33:38 | 0:33:41 | |
Just leave the hem gently rolled. | 0:33:41 | 0:33:43 | |
But never press along the edge. | 0:33:44 | 0:33:47 | |
When she visited one of our nuclear submarines in Faslane, | 0:33:47 | 0:33:53 | |
I recall that a message was delivered that please would | 0:33:53 | 0:33:56 | |
she be sure and wear trousers, which created no small problem, | 0:33:56 | 0:34:00 | |
because I don't think my mother ever owned a pair of trousers up | 0:34:00 | 0:34:04 | |
to that point in her life. | 0:34:04 | 0:34:06 | |
It's not my job to be a fashion leader, | 0:34:06 | 0:34:08 | |
but it is my job not to be obviously out of fashion, | 0:34:08 | 0:34:13 | |
or obviously wrongly dressed, and I must never be mutton dressed as lamb. | 0:34:13 | 0:34:17 | |
Never. | 0:34:17 | 0:34:18 | |
At Oxford, Margaret constantly worried about her weight | 0:34:19 | 0:34:23 | |
and her appearance, the concerns of any young woman. | 0:34:23 | 0:34:26 | |
'Dear Muriel, | 0:34:27 | 0:34:29 | |
'Can you recommend any exercises or anything from the medical | 0:34:29 | 0:34:32 | |
'point of view, particularly for reduction of the area of the seat | 0:34:32 | 0:34:36 | |
'and control of the tummy muscles? | 0:34:36 | 0:34:38 | |
'Oh, and also reductions and uplift of the bust.' | 0:34:38 | 0:34:41 | |
It was important for Margaret to look good, as she was now, | 0:34:42 | 0:34:45 | |
for the first time in her life, moving in a world of men. | 0:34:45 | 0:34:49 | |
And in the spring of her second year, her fellow students got | 0:34:49 | 0:34:52 | |
a sense that something new had come into her life. | 0:34:52 | 0:34:56 | |
Well, it just became known that Margaret had got a boyfriend called | 0:34:56 | 0:35:01 | |
Lord Tony, and we used to tease her a bit about Lord Tony. | 0:35:01 | 0:35:06 | |
And she would blush from bottom to top, | 0:35:06 | 0:35:09 | |
and just not really cope with it. | 0:35:09 | 0:35:12 | |
'Dear Muriel, | 0:35:13 | 0:35:15 | |
'Tony had a spray of eight orchids sent for me from London, | 0:35:15 | 0:35:19 | |
'so with the front part of my hair piled up on top, | 0:35:19 | 0:35:22 | |
'Jean and Mary said I looked simply smashing.' | 0:35:22 | 0:35:24 | |
Margaret had come with a carnation given to her by a chap, | 0:35:26 | 0:35:30 | |
and none of us can remember who it was. | 0:35:30 | 0:35:32 | |
Needless to say, everybody wants to know who that chap was. | 0:35:34 | 0:35:37 | |
I can't remember. | 0:35:37 | 0:35:39 | |
That chap was Tony Bray. And he wasn't a Lord. | 0:35:40 | 0:35:45 | |
He was an Army cadet who had arrived at Brasenose College in Oxford | 0:35:45 | 0:35:48 | |
a year after Margaret on a six-month Joint Services course. | 0:35:48 | 0:35:53 | |
In the autumn of 2007, | 0:35:53 | 0:35:55 | |
Tony Bray was living as a widower in a small house in Sussex. | 0:35:55 | 0:35:59 | |
That's more what I would recognise. | 0:36:04 | 0:36:07 | |
That I would totally recognise. | 0:36:07 | 0:36:09 | |
That's a nice one of her. | 0:36:09 | 0:36:12 | |
That is a typical Margaret expression, | 0:36:13 | 0:36:17 | |
which she wore more or less continuously. | 0:36:17 | 0:36:20 | |
That was the face that she put on everything. | 0:36:20 | 0:36:23 | |
I think she regarded me as somebody who was just simplistically | 0:36:25 | 0:36:30 | |
'not just a schoolboy', if you follow what I mean. | 0:36:30 | 0:36:34 | |
There were a lot of exciting schoolboys who were, | 0:36:35 | 0:36:40 | |
I'm sure, more handsome than I was, taller, whatever. | 0:36:40 | 0:36:44 | |
More flamboyant or whatever you like. | 0:36:44 | 0:36:47 | |
But that wouldn't go with her character, I don't think, | 0:36:47 | 0:36:50 | |
so I think this would be what would have attracted her. | 0:36:50 | 0:36:54 | |
And we saw a lot of each other. | 0:36:54 | 0:36:56 | |
I mean, we would see each other in our spare time. | 0:36:56 | 0:36:58 | |
And, for the most part, just sort of talking about current affairs. | 0:36:58 | 0:37:02 | |
What was going on, you know. | 0:37:02 | 0:37:04 | |
Politics, up to a point, but particularly, really, | 0:37:04 | 0:37:07 | |
the war and the situation of the war and our own hopes afterwards. | 0:37:07 | 0:37:12 | |
I think we were both interested in being with each other. | 0:37:12 | 0:37:15 | |
I think she was quite fond of me. | 0:37:15 | 0:37:18 | |
'Tony hired a car | 0:37:18 | 0:37:20 | |
'and we drove out to Abingdon to the country inn Crown and Thistle. | 0:37:20 | 0:37:24 | |
'I managed to borrow a glorious royal blue velvet cloak | 0:37:24 | 0:37:28 | |
'which matched the blue frock perfectly.' | 0:37:28 | 0:37:30 | |
She looked absolutely terrific. | 0:37:30 | 0:37:33 | |
She was wearing a large blue cloak. | 0:37:33 | 0:37:36 | |
I believe the dress underneath it was also blue, as far as I recall. | 0:37:36 | 0:37:41 | |
'I felt absolutely on top of the world as we walked through the lounge | 0:37:41 | 0:37:44 | |
'at the Crown and Thistle and everyone looked up and stared. | 0:37:44 | 0:37:48 | |
'We went into the bar and had a gin and grapefruit | 0:37:48 | 0:37:51 | |
'and then to the dining room for dinner. | 0:37:51 | 0:37:54 | |
'We had some lovely thick, creamy soup followed by pigeon | 0:37:54 | 0:37:57 | |
'and then a chocolate sweet. With that, we had Moussec to drink. | 0:37:57 | 0:38:02 | |
'Moussec, in case you don't know, is a sparkling champagne.' | 0:38:02 | 0:38:06 | |
If I can be immodest and say we were both good dancers | 0:38:11 | 0:38:15 | |
and so we thoroughly enjoyed dancing with each other. | 0:38:15 | 0:38:18 | |
And I think we probably monopolised each other's evening | 0:38:18 | 0:38:21 | |
very firmly and very successfully | 0:38:21 | 0:38:23 | |
and she didn't seem to mind that at all. | 0:38:23 | 0:38:25 | |
'We then drove back to the Randolph and got there at around 8.45pm. | 0:38:25 | 0:38:30 | |
'Things were in full swing by this time. | 0:38:30 | 0:38:32 | |
'The ballroom was marvellously decorated and all the lighting | 0:38:32 | 0:38:36 | |
'was done with huge coloured lamps operated from the balcony. | 0:38:36 | 0:38:40 | |
'There were two other Conservative couples there | 0:38:40 | 0:38:42 | |
'whom we knew rather well so we teamed up | 0:38:42 | 0:38:44 | |
''and had a thoroughly gay evening.' | 0:38:44 | 0:38:47 | |
It sounds extraordinary in this day and age, but for the most part, | 0:38:50 | 0:38:53 | |
we just sat in our rooms and talked. | 0:38:53 | 0:38:56 | |
We would have what I would describe as a sort of modest | 0:38:56 | 0:38:59 | |
amount of amorosity, for lack of a better word. | 0:38:59 | 0:39:03 | |
I think she was slightly self-conscious about her size, | 0:39:03 | 0:39:07 | |
because she wasn't a small person. | 0:39:07 | 0:39:09 | |
She was a well built, buxom person. | 0:39:09 | 0:39:13 | |
I think she regarded herself, rightly, | 0:39:13 | 0:39:16 | |
as not having a fantastic body as such. | 0:39:16 | 0:39:20 | |
But nevertheless, she could outthink every airhead there ever was around, | 0:39:20 | 0:39:25 | |
without even raising her temperature and her brains at all, I should say. | 0:39:25 | 0:39:31 | |
She invited me to spend a weekend with her family up in Grantham. | 0:39:31 | 0:39:36 | |
I remember it was a little corner shop she had there. | 0:39:36 | 0:39:40 | |
I remember a lot of steep staircases and was given a lovely room | 0:39:40 | 0:39:44 | |
and all the rest of it and looked after quite well, royally, | 0:39:44 | 0:39:49 | |
by her mother and father. | 0:39:49 | 0:39:51 | |
I mean, I enjoyed doing that, but I didn't allow it to weigh too heavily | 0:39:51 | 0:39:56 | |
on my mind, if you understand me. | 0:39:56 | 0:39:58 | |
Soon after the Grantham visit, Tony's Oxford days were over. | 0:40:01 | 0:40:05 | |
He left for Army training in Dorset. The couple corresponded for a while. | 0:40:06 | 0:40:11 | |
Tony sent Margaret this inscribed photograph | 0:40:11 | 0:40:14 | |
of himself in military uniform. | 0:40:14 | 0:40:16 | |
But then the letters stopped. | 0:40:16 | 0:40:18 | |
I didn't feel beholden to write lots of letters. | 0:40:20 | 0:40:24 | |
I think I wrote one or two letters to her. | 0:40:24 | 0:40:27 | |
She, I think, was quite interested in me | 0:40:27 | 0:40:30 | |
because she wrote my parents, I know, | 0:40:30 | 0:40:32 | |
and was sort of wondering what the score was. | 0:40:32 | 0:40:36 | |
I think it just sort of faded away. | 0:40:36 | 0:40:38 | |
I think I found other young ladies | 0:40:38 | 0:40:41 | |
who were very interesting after the war. | 0:40:41 | 0:40:44 | |
And so we left it that way. | 0:40:46 | 0:40:48 | |
As Tony faded away and the War ended, | 0:40:51 | 0:40:53 | |
Margaret was left alone at Oxford. | 0:40:53 | 0:40:56 | |
She busied herself with politics, | 0:40:56 | 0:40:59 | |
becoming president of the University's Conservative Association. | 0:40:59 | 0:41:03 | |
Her letters didn't dwell on the Tony affair at all, | 0:41:03 | 0:41:06 | |
but it was undoubtedly important to her. | 0:41:06 | 0:41:09 | |
She took the relationship seriously, | 0:41:09 | 0:41:11 | |
as, being a serious minded young woman, she would. | 0:41:11 | 0:41:13 | |
You couldn't imagine her just mucking around, | 0:41:13 | 0:41:16 | |
that would never have occurred to her. | 0:41:16 | 0:41:18 | |
And the relationship had a physical aspect. | 0:41:18 | 0:41:20 | |
They kissed one another and cuddled one another | 0:41:20 | 0:41:23 | |
and by Tony Bray's account, she was very keen on that. | 0:41:23 | 0:41:28 | |
Though, he thought, not experienced. | 0:41:28 | 0:41:31 | |
He thought, I think rightly, that he was the first man. | 0:41:31 | 0:41:34 | |
They didn't sleep together, but all this was a sign of her seriousness. | 0:41:34 | 0:41:39 | |
She wouldn't have just been playing. | 0:41:39 | 0:41:42 | |
And I think it had an effect on him which she didn't desire, | 0:41:42 | 0:41:46 | |
because it put him off to some extent. | 0:41:46 | 0:41:48 | |
Because I think he realised first of all that she was more serious than he wanted. | 0:41:48 | 0:41:52 | |
Secondly, that her parents were lower class than he. | 0:41:52 | 0:41:57 | |
And thirdly, that the whole thing was just a bit too much, really. | 0:41:57 | 0:42:02 | |
At this historic ceremony, the public orator proclaims | 0:42:02 | 0:42:05 | |
the achievements of those whom Oxford is honouring. | 0:42:05 | 0:42:08 | |
Margaret graduated from Oxford in 1947 | 0:42:11 | 0:42:13 | |
with a second-class degree in Chemistry. | 0:42:13 | 0:42:16 | |
She was now part of the country's graduate elite. | 0:42:16 | 0:42:19 | |
Oxford did give her the springboard that she required | 0:42:21 | 0:42:25 | |
and it gave concrete form to the ambitions | 0:42:25 | 0:42:28 | |
which were always there in her character | 0:42:28 | 0:42:30 | |
and it taught her a lot about politics. | 0:42:30 | 0:42:32 | |
She met famous people who were already adult politicians | 0:42:32 | 0:42:34 | |
who came to speak at the University. | 0:42:34 | 0:42:37 | |
And she became a more sophisticated person. | 0:42:37 | 0:42:40 | |
After the majestic spires of Oxford came the smoking stacks of industry. | 0:42:47 | 0:42:52 | |
Margaret embarked on a round of job interviews | 0:42:53 | 0:42:57 | |
at various chemical firms. | 0:42:57 | 0:42:59 | |
'The person I disliked most was the personnel manager. | 0:42:59 | 0:43:02 | |
'He was a slimy creature, not at all suitable for his job.' | 0:43:02 | 0:43:06 | |
One ICI manager complained that Margaret was | 0:43:07 | 0:43:11 | |
"too strong a personality to work here". | 0:43:11 | 0:43:14 | |
But then neither was she taken by all that they had to offer. | 0:43:14 | 0:43:18 | |
'Billingham is nothing else but ICI. | 0:43:18 | 0:43:20 | |
'One would meet nothing else but the people you worked with. | 0:43:20 | 0:43:24 | |
'No-one of the kind I'd been used to in Oxford.' | 0:43:24 | 0:43:26 | |
Eventually, after three or four interviews, | 0:43:35 | 0:43:37 | |
in the late summer of 1947, Margaret took a post as a research chemist | 0:43:37 | 0:43:42 | |
at BX Plastics in Manningtree in Essex on the River Stour. | 0:43:42 | 0:43:46 | |
She took the job because she thought the post had a managerial element | 0:43:50 | 0:43:54 | |
to it and would allow her insight into the running of a company. | 0:43:54 | 0:43:57 | |
But it was not to be, | 0:43:57 | 0:43:59 | |
as she records in her memoirs somewhat despondently... | 0:43:59 | 0:44:03 | |
'I found myself donning my white coat again | 0:44:03 | 0:44:06 | |
'and immersing myself in the wonderful world of plastics.' | 0:44:06 | 0:44:09 | |
The whole thing failed to inspire her greatly | 0:44:09 | 0:44:12 | |
after the thrills and highlife of Oxford. | 0:44:12 | 0:44:14 | |
The elated letters to Muriel about balls and dances with Tony Bray | 0:44:14 | 0:44:19 | |
gave way to more mundane matters with a familiar dash of impatience. | 0:44:19 | 0:44:24 | |
'The wear and tear on clothes of all kinds is terrific in industry. | 0:44:24 | 0:44:28 | |
'By the way, have my shoes come back from Udall's yet? | 0:44:28 | 0:44:32 | |
'I've asked that in every blessed letter I've written, | 0:44:32 | 0:44:35 | |
'but not a word about them have I received in any reply.' | 0:44:35 | 0:44:38 | |
In truth, the idea of working as a chemist never excited Margaret. | 0:44:40 | 0:44:44 | |
She took the Manningtree job because it allowed her | 0:44:44 | 0:44:46 | |
to be close to London, the heart of politics, | 0:44:46 | 0:44:50 | |
And where she hoped one day she might be able to study for the Bar. | 0:44:50 | 0:44:54 | |
Meanwhile, although Margaret had been bruised by her first boyfriend | 0:44:57 | 0:45:01 | |
adventure in Oxford, finding a man remained high on the agenda. | 0:45:01 | 0:45:05 | |
A fellow lodger, Teddy West, occasionally took her to the cinema. | 0:45:07 | 0:45:11 | |
'On Saturday evening, Teddy West and I went to the flicks. | 0:45:11 | 0:45:14 | |
'By the way, can you scrounge a packet of cigarettes to bring up for him? | 0:45:14 | 0:45:18 | |
'He buys me so many odd drinks that I like to toss him an odd 20 cigs now and then.' | 0:45:18 | 0:45:23 | |
But Teddy wasn't destined to be Mr Right. | 0:45:27 | 0:45:30 | |
If I do go out with Mr West, | 0:45:30 | 0:45:32 | |
we only go for a drink or something that doesn't demand any dressing up. | 0:45:32 | 0:45:36 | |
And he doesn't dance. | 0:45:36 | 0:45:38 | |
Teddy soon disappeared from the correspondence, | 0:45:39 | 0:45:42 | |
only to be replaced by Brian Harrison, | 0:45:42 | 0:45:45 | |
a leading member of the local Young Conservatives. | 0:45:45 | 0:45:48 | |
A former Cambridge student, tall and sporty, | 0:45:48 | 0:45:52 | |
Harrison was like a ghost of Margaret's Oxford days. | 0:45:52 | 0:45:56 | |
She was very good looking, | 0:45:56 | 0:45:58 | |
and consequently one did remember her. | 0:45:58 | 0:46:01 | |
Quite often, there were dances, | 0:46:01 | 0:46:03 | |
and she always took part | 0:46:03 | 0:46:07 | |
in those activities. | 0:46:07 | 0:46:09 | |
I remember she danced very well. | 0:46:09 | 0:46:13 | |
'He's really an Australian, | 0:46:13 | 0:46:15 | |
'but he was left a small estate of 1,500 acres in the country | 0:46:15 | 0:46:18 | |
'about five miles from Colchester, | 0:46:18 | 0:46:21 | |
'and has now come to live here permanently to look after it. | 0:46:21 | 0:46:25 | |
'He's about 26, and very nice. | 0:46:25 | 0:46:27 | |
'The brief encounter was very pleasant, and he has my address | 0:46:27 | 0:46:31 | |
'for when he comes back from the Xmas vacation.' | 0:46:31 | 0:46:34 | |
I found her very likeable, yes. | 0:46:34 | 0:46:37 | |
But I was never at the stage that Denis got to. | 0:46:39 | 0:46:43 | |
Margaret arranged her Essex life just as she had in Oxford, | 0:46:47 | 0:46:50 | |
the day job in the lab followed by the world of local Conservatives, | 0:46:50 | 0:46:55 | |
offering her a social life and feeding the real passion - politics. | 0:46:55 | 0:46:59 | |
We used just to go and take a soapbox, I suppose it was, | 0:47:01 | 0:47:07 | |
and stand there and just try and draw | 0:47:07 | 0:47:10 | |
as much attention as we could to ourselves. | 0:47:10 | 0:47:14 | |
And it worked. | 0:47:14 | 0:47:16 | |
She used her knowledge and she dealt with any hecklers extremely well. | 0:47:16 | 0:47:21 | |
'Dear Muriel, I still don't like the work very much. | 0:47:21 | 0:47:25 | |
'But the politics and social life are beginning to go with a swing, | 0:47:25 | 0:47:28 | |
'which compensates a lot. | 0:47:28 | 0:47:30 | |
'I enjoyed the Brains Trust last Wednesday, and we all went | 0:47:30 | 0:47:33 | |
'and had a drink at The George afterwards to round off the proceedings. | 0:47:33 | 0:47:38 | |
'The socialists were all of the intellectual type, and quite nice.' | 0:47:38 | 0:47:42 | |
Margaret had successfully moved her politics from the cloisters | 0:47:42 | 0:47:45 | |
of Oxford to the streets of Essex. | 0:47:45 | 0:47:47 | |
But, as ever, she preferred to write to Muriel not about policy | 0:47:48 | 0:47:52 | |
or ideology but about her appearance and a lack of money. | 0:47:52 | 0:47:56 | |
'I decided to buy a really nice undie set to go under | 0:47:56 | 0:47:59 | |
'my turquoise chiffon blouse. | 0:47:59 | 0:48:02 | |
'It is a very pale turquoise colour and cost £5 and five shillings. | 0:48:02 | 0:48:06 | |
'I'll not have to spend anything else for the rest of the month.' | 0:48:06 | 0:48:11 | |
If money was to be spent, it was to be on familiar pleasures. | 0:48:12 | 0:48:16 | |
Margaret wrote an ecstatic letter about a weekend | 0:48:16 | 0:48:19 | |
that she'd just spent back in Oxford, | 0:48:19 | 0:48:21 | |
a round of sherry parties and dinner parties, | 0:48:21 | 0:48:23 | |
a delicious taste of what she feared she may have left behind. | 0:48:23 | 0:48:26 | |
And it ended with another blast from the past. | 0:48:26 | 0:48:30 | |
'A letter from Tony Bray! | 0:48:30 | 0:48:32 | |
'The letter was very weird and sentimental. | 0:48:32 | 0:48:36 | |
'"For three years, I have not been able to write to you | 0:48:36 | 0:48:38 | |
'"due to circumstances beyond my control..." | 0:48:38 | 0:48:42 | |
'And so on in that strain. | 0:48:42 | 0:48:44 | |
'I shall write back and tell him to let sleeping dogs lie.' | 0:48:44 | 0:48:47 | |
Despite her protestations about sleeping dogs, | 0:48:47 | 0:48:51 | |
Margaret couldn't resist renewing the friendship | 0:48:51 | 0:48:54 | |
with a recently demobbed Tony. | 0:48:54 | 0:48:56 | |
She reasoned that any reunion would be... | 0:48:56 | 0:48:58 | |
'More to let him see how I've changed than to see him.' | 0:48:58 | 0:49:02 | |
She came to see me certainly once or twice when I was in Brasenose. | 0:49:04 | 0:49:09 | |
She had tea, I remember, in my rooms in Brasenose, | 0:49:09 | 0:49:13 | |
certainly on one, maybe more occasion. | 0:49:13 | 0:49:15 | |
Margaret gave an enthusiastic report to Muriel of her Oxford reunion | 0:49:16 | 0:49:20 | |
with Tony. It had been more than a quick cup of tea. | 0:49:20 | 0:49:24 | |
They dined at the Randolph and Tony took her to the theatre. | 0:49:24 | 0:49:27 | |
The weather was glorious and they punted on the river. | 0:49:27 | 0:49:30 | |
She says she found it easy to get on with him, | 0:49:30 | 0:49:32 | |
although she refused to be drawn on the former relationship. | 0:49:32 | 0:49:36 | |
'The only direct reference I had of times past was when he said, | 0:49:36 | 0:49:40 | |
'quite steadily, "You only realise what you had when you've lost it. | 0:49:40 | 0:49:44 | |
'"And you know what I'm referring to." | 0:49:44 | 0:49:47 | |
'However, I ignored the remark | 0:49:47 | 0:49:49 | |
'and conversation rapidly picked up and flowed on.' | 0:49:49 | 0:49:52 | |
There's a sense that the slighted Margaret now wants the upper hand, | 0:49:52 | 0:49:56 | |
and that her way of gaining control is to show no vulnerability, | 0:49:56 | 0:50:00 | |
make an impression, but above all hold the reins. | 0:50:00 | 0:50:04 | |
'No mention was made of any future arrangements, | 0:50:04 | 0:50:07 | |
'for which I was truly thankful | 0:50:07 | 0:50:09 | |
'for it just wouldn't have been on for me, | 0:50:09 | 0:50:12 | |
'although I quite enjoyed seeing him again for a short time. | 0:50:12 | 0:50:14 | |
'It satisfied my curiosity. | 0:50:14 | 0:50:17 | |
'But he is a weird-looking chap to cart around the place. | 0:50:17 | 0:50:21 | |
'By the way, he didn't know I had been president of OUCA. | 0:50:21 | 0:50:24 | |
'He was immensely impressed.' | 0:50:24 | 0:50:26 | |
But in September, 1948, Margaret met Tony again, | 0:50:33 | 0:50:37 | |
this time for a date in London. | 0:50:37 | 0:50:39 | |
'I was wearing my blue frock and little blue hat, | 0:50:39 | 0:50:43 | |
'little fur jacket with all wine accessories, | 0:50:43 | 0:50:47 | |
'and I forgot to mention he presented me with a spray of pink roses!' | 0:50:47 | 0:50:51 | |
The London meeting was described effusively to Muriel - | 0:50:52 | 0:50:56 | |
tea at Fullers in Regent Street, | 0:50:56 | 0:50:58 | |
a trip to see Carissima at the Palace. | 0:50:58 | 0:51:01 | |
'During the interval, we went and had gin and vermouth in the bar. | 0:51:01 | 0:51:05 | |
'Tony had booked dinner for nine o'clock at Kettner's, | 0:51:05 | 0:51:07 | |
'quite a fashionable West End restaurant. | 0:51:07 | 0:51:10 | |
'I really enjoyed the evening very much, | 0:51:10 | 0:51:14 | |
'though I wouldn't dream of re-striking up the association with Tony.' | 0:51:14 | 0:51:18 | |
They did see each other again. | 0:51:20 | 0:51:22 | |
But as before, things petered out. | 0:51:22 | 0:51:25 | |
Until, over 20 years later, this time at the House of Commons, | 0:51:25 | 0:51:28 | |
where Margaret was now a shadow environment spokesman, | 0:51:28 | 0:51:30 | |
one final meeting took place. | 0:51:30 | 0:51:33 | |
Tony, then a successful stockbroker, | 0:51:33 | 0:51:36 | |
came to the House to meet Margaret to discuss his idea | 0:51:36 | 0:51:39 | |
that council houses could be sold off to sitting tenants. | 0:51:39 | 0:51:42 | |
The policy famously appealed to Margaret. | 0:51:42 | 0:51:45 | |
But the old relationship was never even mentioned. | 0:51:45 | 0:51:49 | |
Oh, well, that shows her at her most relaxed, | 0:51:51 | 0:51:55 | |
but also shows her face and her hair. | 0:51:55 | 0:51:58 | |
That's the hair I remember. | 0:51:58 | 0:52:00 | |
I think we had a degree of happiness together | 0:52:01 | 0:52:07 | |
when we were with each other, but I think, that apart, | 0:52:07 | 0:52:12 | |
I wouldn't say that she was simplistically a happy person. | 0:52:12 | 0:52:16 | |
For Margaret, getting a man was a formula that she hadn't cracked. | 0:52:17 | 0:52:21 | |
Around the time of the Tony relationship, | 0:52:21 | 0:52:25 | |
she wrote to Muriel, saying... | 0:52:25 | 0:52:26 | |
'I don't know that your male problem is the same as mine. | 0:52:26 | 0:52:29 | |
'You seem infinitely more successful with them than I do.' | 0:52:29 | 0:52:33 | |
It's a rare expression of self-doubt. | 0:52:33 | 0:52:35 | |
But if her personal life was complicated, | 0:52:38 | 0:52:40 | |
her political life was about to take a dramatic turn for the better. | 0:52:40 | 0:52:44 | |
In October, 1948, with Margaret just 23 years old, | 0:52:46 | 0:52:50 | |
she joined Oxford's graduate delegation | 0:52:50 | 0:52:53 | |
to the Conservative Party Conference in Llandudno. | 0:52:53 | 0:52:56 | |
'I decided I couldn't possibly go to Llandudno with the communal coat | 0:52:56 | 0:53:00 | |
'as the only topcoat I had. | 0:53:00 | 0:53:02 | |
'So I drew some savings certificates out and I bought | 0:53:02 | 0:53:05 | |
'a fine, lightweight, black wool swagger. | 0:53:05 | 0:53:07 | |
'It's of a rather distinctive design. | 0:53:07 | 0:53:10 | |
'I've drawn it rather stunted, but it's full length, of course.' | 0:53:10 | 0:53:13 | |
Margaret found the quality of the speaking poor, | 0:53:14 | 0:53:19 | |
possibly because she wasn't called on to speak herself. | 0:53:19 | 0:53:23 | |
But a chance meeting with an old Oxford friend | 0:53:23 | 0:53:25 | |
led to Margaret putting herself forward | 0:53:25 | 0:53:28 | |
as a candidate for a seat in Kent. | 0:53:28 | 0:53:30 | |
Dartford was an industrial stronghold, | 0:53:35 | 0:53:38 | |
a safe Labour seat with an all but unassailable majority of 20,000. | 0:53:38 | 0:53:43 | |
The Young Conservatives referred to some of the town's housing estates | 0:53:43 | 0:53:47 | |
rather dauntingly as Little Moscow. | 0:53:47 | 0:53:49 | |
This, of course, was where Margaret was such a gem | 0:53:51 | 0:53:54 | |
when she first came to us, | 0:53:54 | 0:53:58 | |
because she is instilled into us this idea | 0:53:58 | 0:54:01 | |
that if you had the courage of your conviction, | 0:54:01 | 0:54:05 | |
you could do anything. | 0:54:05 | 0:54:07 | |
She wasn't out of the ordinary. She was just exciting. | 0:54:07 | 0:54:13 | |
Margaret's charisma won her admirers | 0:54:13 | 0:54:15 | |
not only in the local Conservative Party, but in her private life. | 0:54:15 | 0:54:18 | |
Just five days before she was formally adopted as Dartford's candidate, | 0:54:18 | 0:54:23 | |
a new man came into her life. | 0:54:23 | 0:54:25 | |
'He's about 35 and has a kind of naivete that only a Scotsman can have. | 0:54:25 | 0:54:31 | |
'I expected to be bored to tears. | 0:54:31 | 0:54:33 | |
'But in fact he was really rather sweet, with quite a sense of humour.' | 0:54:33 | 0:54:37 | |
Margaret was on the lookout for a man to accompany her into her political future. | 0:54:37 | 0:54:42 | |
The letter to Muriel is a bit like running through a CV. | 0:54:42 | 0:54:46 | |
'His farm is worth £25,000. | 0:54:46 | 0:54:49 | |
'He has 3,000 shares of ICI now standing at 47 shillings, | 0:54:49 | 0:54:53 | |
'1,000 of something else, 500 of this and that and so on and so forth...' | 0:54:53 | 0:54:58 | |
These were worthy credentials, | 0:54:58 | 0:55:00 | |
and Margaret enjoyed the attention of her new suitor. | 0:55:00 | 0:55:03 | |
'He drove me home in his present, rather old car, | 0:55:03 | 0:55:07 | |
'and got quite ardent on the way! | 0:55:07 | 0:55:09 | |
'I said I couldn't possibly fix another definite date, | 0:55:09 | 0:55:11 | |
'so he's going to phone me. | 0:55:11 | 0:55:13 | |
'The funniest part is that although I've been introduced to him twice, | 0:55:13 | 0:55:16 | |
'I can never catch his name, and still don't know it!' | 0:55:16 | 0:55:20 | |
The farmer's name was Willie Cullen, | 0:55:20 | 0:55:22 | |
and he was to figure greatly in Margaret's life. | 0:55:22 | 0:55:25 | |
History doesn't record whether he was among those listening to Margaret | 0:55:25 | 0:55:28 | |
five days later at the meeting that put the seal | 0:55:28 | 0:55:31 | |
on her selection as Dartford's new candidate. | 0:55:31 | 0:55:33 | |
But in the audience was another man. | 0:55:33 | 0:55:36 | |
'When the meeting was over, | 0:55:36 | 0:55:37 | |
'I went back and had drinks with the people I'd been dining with, | 0:55:37 | 0:55:41 | |
'a Mr and Mrs Seward. | 0:55:41 | 0:55:42 | |
'A co-director of his, a Major Thatcher, | 0:55:42 | 0:55:45 | |
'who has a flat in London, aged about 36, plenty of money, | 0:55:45 | 0:55:50 | |
'was also dining with them, | 0:55:50 | 0:55:51 | |
'and he drove me back to town at about midnight.' | 0:55:51 | 0:55:54 | |
Denis Thatcher, a former officer mentioned in dispatches, | 0:55:55 | 0:55:59 | |
had his own prosperous paint company. | 0:55:59 | 0:56:01 | |
An ex-public school boy, he was socially a cut above Margaret. | 0:56:01 | 0:56:05 | |
Popular mythology suggests that when he arrived on the scene, | 0:56:05 | 0:56:09 | |
Margaret knew he was the man for her. | 0:56:09 | 0:56:11 | |
But references to Denis in her letters | 0:56:11 | 0:56:14 | |
show that that was certainly not the case. | 0:56:14 | 0:56:17 | |
'Not a frightfully attractive creature. | 0:56:17 | 0:56:20 | |
'Very reserved but quite nice. | 0:56:20 | 0:56:23 | |
'He's not very fond of meeting people. | 0:56:23 | 0:56:25 | |
'He says he doesn't get on with them awfully well.' | 0:56:25 | 0:56:28 | |
It's an inauspicious start for Denis. | 0:56:28 | 0:56:31 | |
The Scottish farmer seems to be in pole position, | 0:56:31 | 0:56:34 | |
Margaret's comments about him being chalk from cheese | 0:56:34 | 0:56:36 | |
in comparison to the choice of words used for Denis. | 0:56:36 | 0:56:40 | |
'He is awfully sweet. | 0:56:40 | 0:56:42 | |
'I'm getting quite fond of him, and a very welcome relaxation.' | 0:56:42 | 0:56:46 | |
She liked Willie Cullen. She thought he was fun, | 0:56:46 | 0:56:48 | |
and he was very keen on her. | 0:56:48 | 0:56:51 | |
She, of course, responded to that, | 0:56:51 | 0:56:53 | |
and though he was famously being close with his money, | 0:56:53 | 0:56:56 | |
he was actually quite gallant with her. | 0:56:56 | 0:56:59 | |
But bizarrely, however fond Margaret declared herself to be, | 0:56:59 | 0:57:03 | |
in the same letter she was explicitly saying that this relationship | 0:57:03 | 0:57:07 | |
was not for her and that her sister Muriel might like to step in. | 0:57:07 | 0:57:11 | |
You had better come down here some other weekend | 0:57:12 | 0:57:15 | |
to meet the current boyfriend. | 0:57:15 | 0:57:16 | |
By the way, he will never become your brother-in-law, | 0:57:16 | 0:57:20 | |
though I have high hopes that he may be mine one day! | 0:57:20 | 0:57:23 | |
Whatever Margaret's intentions with Willie, | 0:57:23 | 0:57:26 | |
he was ready to introduce her to his family | 0:57:26 | 0:57:29 | |
at a dinner party at his home, Fulton Hall. | 0:57:29 | 0:57:32 | |
But the evening sent shivers down Margaret's spine. | 0:57:32 | 0:57:35 | |
It was a close-up view of a world she didn't wish to make her own. | 0:57:35 | 0:57:40 | |
'The wives are typical wives. | 0:57:40 | 0:57:42 | |
'They know of domestic matters and nothing else. | 0:57:42 | 0:57:45 | |
'I stayed with the men after supper, talking about many things, | 0:57:45 | 0:57:48 | |
'and when William suggested that maybe we ought to join the ladies, | 0:57:48 | 0:57:52 | |
'David, a farmer friend, said, in a rather contemptuous fashion, "Why? | 0:57:52 | 0:57:56 | |
'"They don't talk politics or anything else in there."' | 0:57:56 | 0:57:59 | |
The world of Willie Cullen | 0:58:05 | 0:58:07 | |
is very much the world of the solid yeoman farmer. | 0:58:07 | 0:58:10 | |
Absolutely no pretensions to the wider world, | 0:58:10 | 0:58:13 | |
intellectual life, the world of books. This was too narrow for her. | 0:58:13 | 0:58:19 | |
I think in particular it was too much the traditional woman's role. | 0:58:19 | 0:58:24 | |
What starts to germinate in Margaret's mind | 0:58:24 | 0:58:27 | |
is that Willie Cullen is an excellent man, | 0:58:27 | 0:58:29 | |
and why shouldn't he marry her sister, who is, | 0:58:29 | 0:58:32 | |
by the standards of that time, | 0:58:32 | 0:58:34 | |
getting on a bit and who needs a man? | 0:58:34 | 0:58:37 | |
And so all this is constructed by Margaret | 0:58:37 | 0:58:41 | |
so that Muriel and Willie will meet and it will all come to fruition. | 0:58:41 | 0:58:45 | |
But the handover from Margaret to Muriel was not immediate. | 0:58:47 | 0:58:51 | |
Margaret continued to fan the flames of Willie's ardour, | 0:58:51 | 0:58:54 | |
accompanying him to social events and enjoying gifts from him, | 0:58:54 | 0:58:58 | |
ranging from expensive scents to vital commodities - butter, eggs, | 0:58:58 | 0:59:03 | |
grapes, and one special one. | 0:59:03 | 0:59:05 | |
'William has given me a very nice black calf handbag. | 0:59:06 | 0:59:11 | |
'We had my initials put on it as well, and it looks awfully nice. | 0:59:11 | 0:59:15 | |
'I quite loftily say it's not very expensive, | 0:59:15 | 0:59:18 | |
'it's about twice as much as you or I would pay. | 0:59:18 | 0:59:21 | |
'I'll have to hang onto William for a while longer now!' | 0:59:21 | 0:59:24 | |
Margaret's new handbag became a frequent sight | 0:59:28 | 0:59:30 | |
on the streets of Dartford as she threw herself into preparations | 0:59:30 | 0:59:35 | |
for the 1950 general election. | 0:59:35 | 0:59:37 | |
She told Muriel that she had no time now | 0:59:37 | 0:59:39 | |
for what she called a private life. | 0:59:39 | 0:59:42 | |
And, refusing to be intimidated by his massive majority, | 0:59:42 | 0:59:45 | |
she took on her opponent, a sitting Labour MP, Norman Dodds. | 0:59:45 | 0:59:50 | |
She described to Muriel the two candidates' first meeting, | 0:59:50 | 0:59:53 | |
on the dance floor of a civic ball. | 0:59:53 | 0:59:55 | |
'We were dragged off into the middle of the ballroom, | 0:59:55 | 0:59:58 | |
'and quite a ceremony was made of the whole affair. | 0:59:58 | 1:00:02 | |
'Mr Dodds said he was very sorry I was an opponent. | 1:00:02 | 1:00:06 | |
'He then publicly asked me for the next dance. | 1:00:06 | 1:00:09 | |
'The press took pictures and asked for reactions. | 1:00:09 | 1:00:13 | |
'I said we were in tune when we were dancing. | 1:00:13 | 1:00:16 | |
'And Mr Dodds said, "In perfect harmony." | 1:00:16 | 1:00:19 | |
'I imagine the report will make front page news next week.' | 1:00:19 | 1:00:22 | |
Away from the dance floor, | 1:00:25 | 1:00:27 | |
Margaret's campaign was based on stirring patriotism, | 1:00:27 | 1:00:30 | |
and she was impressive in public debate, | 1:00:30 | 1:00:33 | |
thorough in her preparations. | 1:00:33 | 1:00:36 | |
I would come home from doing canvassing, | 1:00:36 | 1:00:38 | |
and my family, who went to help as well, | 1:00:38 | 1:00:42 | |
and we would go off to bed, | 1:00:42 | 1:00:44 | |
and as our room was opposite where her house was | 1:00:44 | 1:00:49 | |
that she was staying, I always remember my dear father, | 1:00:49 | 1:00:52 | |
he used to go to the window and look, | 1:00:52 | 1:00:54 | |
and he'd say, "There's that good girl burning the midnight oil." | 1:00:54 | 1:00:59 | |
Whilst Margaret was burning the midnight oil, | 1:01:00 | 1:01:03 | |
the future of her liaison with farmer Willie had been left hanging. | 1:01:03 | 1:01:07 | |
It needed resolution. | 1:01:07 | 1:01:09 | |
His introduction to Muriel finally took place, | 1:01:09 | 1:01:12 | |
and Margaret now reassured her sister | 1:01:12 | 1:01:15 | |
that the field was clear for her. | 1:01:15 | 1:01:16 | |
'I shan't marry Bill, for, though very fond of him, | 1:01:16 | 1:01:19 | |
'I'm not in love with him, | 1:01:19 | 1:01:21 | |
'and a marriage between us would falter after two or three months.' | 1:01:21 | 1:01:25 | |
I think they both realised they weren't for each other. | 1:01:26 | 1:01:30 | |
She alerted my mother, if you like, | 1:01:30 | 1:01:32 | |
to the fact that she'd met this Scottish farmer | 1:01:32 | 1:01:34 | |
and that she might suit him more than her. | 1:01:34 | 1:01:36 | |
And mother was quite happy | 1:01:36 | 1:01:39 | |
to live a country housewife's type of existence. | 1:01:39 | 1:01:43 | |
Margaret's instincts were right. | 1:01:45 | 1:01:47 | |
Muriel and Willie hit it off. | 1:01:47 | 1:01:49 | |
But despite the deal with Muriel, | 1:01:49 | 1:01:51 | |
Margaret must have carried on seeing Willie, because, | 1:01:51 | 1:01:53 | |
when she writes enthusiastically to her sister about a new doctor | 1:01:53 | 1:01:56 | |
that she's just met while visiting a Dartford hospital, | 1:01:56 | 1:01:59 | |
Willie is clearly still on the scene | 1:01:59 | 1:02:02 | |
and apparently still in the hunt. | 1:02:02 | 1:02:04 | |
I told Willie I'd met a doctor who impressed me very much. | 1:02:04 | 1:02:09 | |
and he wrote back and said was I giving him a hint to get out? | 1:02:09 | 1:02:12 | |
In the same letter Margaret also mentions Denis. | 1:02:12 | 1:02:15 | |
Three horses now lined up for the same race - | 1:02:15 | 1:02:18 | |
the farmer, the paint man, and the doctor. | 1:02:18 | 1:02:22 | |
Margaret's quest for Mr Right was becoming a bit of a soap opera. | 1:02:22 | 1:02:26 | |
But in January 1950, | 1:02:26 | 1:02:29 | |
one of the candidates was finally to be eliminated. | 1:02:29 | 1:02:31 | |
The sisters' conspiracy was to be resolved. | 1:02:31 | 1:02:35 | |
'I've written to William in the vein I told you. | 1:02:35 | 1:02:38 | |
'We are meeting in London on Saturday afternoon | 1:02:38 | 1:02:41 | |
'to talk over the various aspects of we three, | 1:02:41 | 1:02:43 | |
'and it will then be broken off between he and I for good and all. | 1:02:43 | 1:02:47 | |
'Hope you approve.' | 1:02:47 | 1:02:49 | |
But before Margaret had even made it to the post box, the phone rang. | 1:02:51 | 1:02:55 | |
It was Willie. | 1:02:55 | 1:02:57 | |
The couple talked and Willie was finally and conclusively dumped. | 1:02:57 | 1:03:02 | |
It merited a quick postscript to Muriel. | 1:03:02 | 1:03:05 | |
'PPS, I told him from henceforth | 1:03:06 | 1:03:09 | |
'that I would in law only be taking a sisterly interest in future. | 1:03:09 | 1:03:13 | |
'He seemed quite satisfied and is quite pleased at future prospects.' | 1:03:13 | 1:03:17 | |
That was that. | 1:03:17 | 1:03:20 | |
And, astonishingly, only six weeks later, | 1:03:21 | 1:03:24 | |
Willie and Muriel were engaged to be married. | 1:03:24 | 1:03:27 | |
Margaret immediately began designing her own dress for the big day, | 1:03:27 | 1:03:30 | |
and handed out advice. | 1:03:30 | 1:03:32 | |
'Don't worry about the pre-wedding jitters. | 1:03:32 | 1:03:35 | |
'Fi Miller says everyone has them. | 1:03:35 | 1:03:38 | |
'I think you should have a headdress | 1:03:38 | 1:03:40 | |
'with a little blue shoulder-length veil, | 1:03:40 | 1:03:42 | |
'as otherwise folks won't know bride from bridesmaid. | 1:03:42 | 1:03:45 | |
'I'll just have a little draped cap.' | 1:03:45 | 1:03:48 | |
The engagement was announced in the Telegraph and Margaret rejoiced... | 1:03:48 | 1:03:53 | |
'It gives the stamp of certainty to the whole affair.' | 1:03:53 | 1:03:57 | |
Auntie Margaret, she was very fond of my father and he of her, | 1:04:08 | 1:04:12 | |
certainly, right to the very end. | 1:04:12 | 1:04:14 | |
I would've said they were more like friends | 1:04:14 | 1:04:18 | |
than they were like relations, if that doesn't sound silly. | 1:04:18 | 1:04:21 | |
It was a better relationship than one might have with one's sister-in-law. | 1:04:21 | 1:04:25 | |
Margaret fought her first general election | 1:04:28 | 1:04:31 | |
as a Conservative candidate on February 23, 1950. | 1:04:31 | 1:04:34 | |
She was the youngest woman candidate in any party, | 1:04:36 | 1:04:39 | |
and she was roundly applauded... in defeat. | 1:04:39 | 1:04:43 | |
But she'd wiped 6,000 off the Labour majority, | 1:04:43 | 1:04:46 | |
a result that was deemed a triumph, and she agreed to stand again. | 1:04:46 | 1:04:50 | |
The slim Labour government majority had made another general election | 1:04:50 | 1:04:53 | |
both inevitable and imminent. | 1:04:53 | 1:04:56 | |
But, of course, another incentive to have a second crack at Dartford | 1:04:56 | 1:04:59 | |
may have been her latest attraction. | 1:04:59 | 1:05:01 | |
The Dartford Doctor. | 1:05:02 | 1:05:04 | |
'We went for a drive round some of the Weald of Kent. | 1:05:04 | 1:05:08 | |
'It wasn't a very nice afternoon, but still we had a very pleasant drive. | 1:05:08 | 1:05:12 | |
'I think we're both getting very fond of one another, | 1:05:12 | 1:05:15 | |
'in fact more than that, I hope so.' | 1:05:15 | 1:05:18 | |
The doctor's name was Robert Henderson, and he was 47 years old. | 1:05:20 | 1:05:24 | |
23 years Margaret's senior. | 1:05:24 | 1:05:25 | |
A Commander of the British Empire, and inventor of the British | 1:05:25 | 1:05:28 | |
version of the iron lung, despite his age, he was still a bachelor. | 1:05:28 | 1:05:33 | |
Robert Henderson, he was the only one of the four men who | 1:05:35 | 1:05:38 | |
she always describes in favourable terms. | 1:05:38 | 1:05:41 | |
She never ever says anything critical about him, | 1:05:41 | 1:05:43 | |
except sort of teases, about how she's worried, because he's going | 1:05:43 | 1:05:46 | |
off on a cruise, and there's going to be a lot of rich women there. | 1:05:46 | 1:05:49 | |
But there's nothing in any way disparaging, or mocking, | 1:05:49 | 1:05:53 | |
which, to some extent, there is about the others. | 1:05:53 | 1:05:55 | |
I think she really respected him and loved him, | 1:05:55 | 1:05:58 | |
and thought, this is a man I can really admire, | 1:05:58 | 1:06:00 | |
and this is always a very important emotion with her and men, | 1:06:00 | 1:06:02 | |
not just liking them and enjoying the company, or desiring them, | 1:06:02 | 1:06:06 | |
but actually admiring them for their achievements, and she tends | 1:06:06 | 1:06:09 | |
to like older men, and indeed, men rather like her father actually. | 1:06:09 | 1:06:13 | |
But Margaret's attraction to the doctor | 1:06:13 | 1:06:16 | |
was always edged with anxiety. | 1:06:16 | 1:06:18 | |
Her letters to Muriel clearly indicate her fear that | 1:06:18 | 1:06:21 | |
the doctor might either plump for someone else, | 1:06:21 | 1:06:23 | |
or find some other reason for not pursuing the relationship. | 1:06:23 | 1:06:27 | |
He apparently spent part of Christmas with a big farming family, | 1:06:27 | 1:06:30 | |
who own half of the farms in Essex. | 1:06:30 | 1:06:32 | |
They are enormously wealthy, | 1:06:32 | 1:06:34 | |
and have five daughters of marriageable age, | 1:06:34 | 1:06:37 | |
one of which is a doctor. | 1:06:37 | 1:06:38 | |
The prospects don't look very hopeful, do they? | 1:06:38 | 1:06:40 | |
In May 1951, Margaret took a flat in London. | 1:06:50 | 1:06:53 | |
This was a key decision in her life, it allowed her finally | 1:06:54 | 1:06:58 | |
to enrol for the bar, and pursue her legal ambition. | 1:06:58 | 1:07:02 | |
'My goodness, there's a lot of work to be done, | 1:07:02 | 1:07:05 | |
'and it will come terribly expensive.' | 1:07:05 | 1:07:07 | |
Expense was an issue, for the rented flat had to be | 1:07:08 | 1:07:11 | |
transformed into a home suitable for Margaret's intentions. | 1:07:11 | 1:07:15 | |
For the first time, now aged 25, she would be living alone, | 1:07:15 | 1:07:19 | |
and be able to entertain. | 1:07:19 | 1:07:22 | |
'Flat progressing slowly, all curtains are up, | 1:07:22 | 1:07:25 | |
'but lounge ones will have to come down... | 1:07:25 | 1:07:27 | |
'The builders have been in, and I can now get on with the kitchen. | 1:07:27 | 1:07:30 | |
'I have undercoated the walls and I'm going round tonight... | 1:07:30 | 1:07:33 | |
'Then the woodwork will have to be painted, covered doors...' | 1:07:33 | 1:07:36 | |
But no amount of work was ever too much for Margaret. | 1:07:36 | 1:07:38 | |
The DIY was crammed in around constituency duties. | 1:07:38 | 1:07:42 | |
'I am canvassing twice a week, which is taking up quite a bit of time. | 1:07:42 | 1:07:47 | |
'It doesn't look as if things will ever slack off.' | 1:07:47 | 1:07:50 | |
With the flat secured, Denis Thatcher was an occasional caller. | 1:07:50 | 1:07:54 | |
But he clearly still wasn't making the impact of a future husband. | 1:07:54 | 1:07:58 | |
'I can't say I ever really enjoy going out for the evening with him. | 1:07:58 | 1:08:02 | |
'He has not got a very prepossessing personality.' | 1:08:02 | 1:08:05 | |
In the same letter, Margaret reserved her compliments | 1:08:07 | 1:08:10 | |
for the Dartford doctor, Robert Henderson. | 1:08:10 | 1:08:13 | |
'Tonight, Robert is coming up, and we are going out with dinner. | 1:08:13 | 1:08:16 | |
'Last time he came, I cooked a slap-up dinner, four courses, | 1:08:16 | 1:08:20 | |
'just to show him!' | 1:08:20 | 1:08:21 | |
But despite all Margaret's hospitality, | 1:08:23 | 1:08:25 | |
her worst fears about the doctor came true. | 1:08:25 | 1:08:28 | |
Just three months after the move to London, | 1:08:29 | 1:08:31 | |
the relationship was broken off, and the doctor disappeared | 1:08:31 | 1:08:34 | |
altogether from Margaret's correspondence. | 1:08:34 | 1:08:38 | |
According to her father, Alf, Margaret was very upset. | 1:08:38 | 1:08:42 | |
I don't think it's completely possible to | 1:08:42 | 1:08:44 | |
tell from the evidence exactly what brought the relationship to an end. | 1:08:44 | 1:08:48 | |
But I think I can say pretty confidently that he did not | 1:08:48 | 1:08:54 | |
terminally reject her, because if he had, | 1:08:56 | 1:09:00 | |
she would not have spoken to him again. | 1:09:00 | 1:09:04 | |
Her pride would have been hurt, | 1:09:04 | 1:09:06 | |
and she would not have wanted to go near him. | 1:09:06 | 1:09:08 | |
In fact, Margaret did keep in touch with the doctor, | 1:09:08 | 1:09:11 | |
but it was a practical matter that | 1:09:11 | 1:09:13 | |
led her back to him. Only two years later, | 1:09:13 | 1:09:16 | |
she told her sister that she'd written to him about a medical | 1:09:16 | 1:09:18 | |
issue that was on her mind - her son Mark's circumcision. | 1:09:18 | 1:09:22 | |
'I don't like the idea of having it done on the health service in London, | 1:09:22 | 1:09:26 | |
'as you don't know who's going to do it, | 1:09:26 | 1:09:27 | |
'but it costs £15-£20 to have it done privately. | 1:09:27 | 1:09:31 | |
'I am writing to Robert to ask him who does it | 1:09:31 | 1:09:33 | |
'at the Victoria Hospital under the health service, | 1:09:33 | 1:09:36 | |
'because I know Mark will be wonderfully looked after there.' | 1:09:36 | 1:09:39 | |
With the doctor out of the running, Margaret chose to move swiftly on. | 1:09:39 | 1:09:43 | |
No looking back, no regrets. | 1:09:43 | 1:09:45 | |
And very quickly there came news - | 1:09:46 | 1:09:48 | |
all the negative comments about Denis | 1:09:48 | 1:09:50 | |
that studded her correspondence were suddenly swept aside. | 1:09:50 | 1:09:54 | |
Margaret and Denis Thatcher were to be married. | 1:09:54 | 1:09:58 | |
Mrs Thatcher, although she is in many ways a romantic person, | 1:09:58 | 1:10:01 | |
is also a practical person, and she's got to get married, | 1:10:01 | 1:10:03 | |
it's part of her whole life plan and expectation, | 1:10:03 | 1:10:07 | |
but in her particular case, | 1:10:07 | 1:10:08 | |
it's also this need for it to fit with wider ambitions, | 1:10:08 | 1:10:12 | |
so it's very important to marry someone, ideally older | 1:10:12 | 1:10:15 | |
and better off, and settled in life. | 1:10:15 | 1:10:19 | |
And suddenly there it is. | 1:10:19 | 1:10:22 | |
Though undoubtedly genuinely fond of him, I think | 1:10:22 | 1:10:24 | |
the decision was not really a romantic one. | 1:10:24 | 1:10:26 | |
This is the right man and the right time, | 1:10:26 | 1:10:28 | |
and suddenly she sees it all coming into place. | 1:10:28 | 1:10:31 | |
Despite the fact that Denis was divorced, Margaret's preacher | 1:10:32 | 1:10:36 | |
father, Alf, was ready to welcome him as a son-in-law. | 1:10:36 | 1:10:39 | |
He is an exceedingly nice fellow. | 1:10:39 | 1:10:41 | |
Also of course, very comfortably situated financially. | 1:10:41 | 1:10:44 | |
He owns a 1948 Jaguar, and also a Triumph, but is | 1:10:44 | 1:10:48 | |
wanting to get a Jaguar Mark V. | 1:10:48 | 1:10:50 | |
History records Denis as the rock in Margaret's life. | 1:10:52 | 1:10:55 | |
He acted as consort, faithfully strapped into the passenger seat. | 1:10:55 | 1:10:59 | |
He was robustly right-wing, and right from the start was | 1:10:59 | 1:11:02 | |
there to shore up her beliefs and aspirations, and performances. | 1:11:02 | 1:11:06 | |
They're going to see if Denis does his share of the washing-up! | 1:11:06 | 1:11:10 | |
LAUGHTER AND APPLAUSE | 1:11:10 | 1:11:12 | |
'The election campaign immediately got off the mark. | 1:11:15 | 1:11:17 | |
'The bill posters began to cover the hoardings with slogans, while | 1:11:17 | 1:11:21 | |
'committee rooms, staffed by eager volunteers, hummed with activity.' | 1:11:21 | 1:11:24 | |
The 1951 general election was fixed for 25th October. | 1:11:25 | 1:11:29 | |
It was time for Denis to make his first tentative | 1:11:29 | 1:11:32 | |
steps into public life. | 1:11:32 | 1:11:34 | |
He came out to bat for his new fiancee, | 1:11:34 | 1:11:37 | |
turning up to support her in his Jag, | 1:11:37 | 1:11:38 | |
and allegedly having to be restrained from tackling hecklers. | 1:11:38 | 1:11:43 | |
But for the moment, the couple's engagement was kept secret. | 1:11:43 | 1:11:46 | |
As a divorced man, Denis could lose Margaret votes. | 1:11:46 | 1:11:50 | |
This reporter came in one morning, very scruffy looking, | 1:11:51 | 1:11:54 | |
with a big bag, and dumped it on the desk, and sort of said, | 1:11:54 | 1:11:57 | |
"I'm here from the Daily Mirror, | 1:11:57 | 1:11:59 | |
"and we hear that Margaret Roberts has got engaged to Denis Thatcher." | 1:11:59 | 1:12:02 | |
Well, we didn't know anything about this anyway, | 1:12:02 | 1:12:04 | |
so we sort of said, no, and I called somebody more official, and we | 1:12:04 | 1:12:08 | |
bundled him out of the door, | 1:12:08 | 1:12:10 | |
and that was the first we heard ourselves. | 1:12:10 | 1:12:12 | |
CHEERS | 1:12:12 | 1:12:14 | |
On 25th October 1951, | 1:12:16 | 1:12:18 | |
the Conservative Party won the general election. | 1:12:18 | 1:12:22 | |
Winston Spencer Churchill. | 1:12:22 | 1:12:24 | |
And Winston Churchill returned to Number Ten. | 1:12:24 | 1:12:27 | |
But Dartford remained loyal to Labour, and although Margaret | 1:12:28 | 1:12:32 | |
had further reduced the majority in her impossible seat, she lost. | 1:12:32 | 1:12:36 | |
This was the end of Dartford for Margaret, | 1:12:38 | 1:12:41 | |
but no matter, now she had other things on her mind. | 1:12:41 | 1:12:45 | |
On 13th December 1951, | 1:12:45 | 1:12:48 | |
she married Denis in London at the Wesleyan Chapel on City Road. | 1:12:48 | 1:12:52 | |
She wore a velvet dress of sapphire blue, | 1:12:52 | 1:12:54 | |
and a hat modelled on a Gainsborough portrait of the Duchess | 1:12:54 | 1:12:57 | |
of Devonshire - long ostrich feathers cascaded down her face. | 1:12:57 | 1:13:02 | |
Finding the right man could finally come off the to-do list. | 1:13:02 | 1:13:06 | |
All of a sudden, it dawned on me, that this | 1:13:06 | 1:13:09 | |
was the biggest thing in one's life, now kind of sorted out. | 1:13:09 | 1:13:13 | |
And therefore, one turned one's mind both to other things. | 1:13:13 | 1:13:17 | |
Is that a strange thing to say? | 1:13:17 | 1:13:20 | |
That I was what? 25, 26 when we were married. It was. | 1:13:20 | 1:13:23 | |
One recognised that to choose a partner for life is really | 1:13:23 | 1:13:26 | |
the biggest thing in life. | 1:13:26 | 1:13:28 | |
Denis proved to be a good choice for Margaret. | 1:13:28 | 1:13:32 | |
Their marriage was happy and sustaining. | 1:13:32 | 1:13:34 | |
Her instincts had been right, and she never regretted, | 1:13:34 | 1:13:37 | |
publicly at least, her choice of the outsider in the marriage stakes. | 1:13:37 | 1:13:41 | |
I suspect actually that she was in love with Tony Bray, but this | 1:13:42 | 1:13:46 | |
is so early on in her life, that this is really the first | 1:13:46 | 1:13:49 | |
experience of love, and just the excitement of being in love. | 1:13:49 | 1:13:53 | |
And so, it would have seemed dramatic to her, that in some | 1:13:53 | 1:13:56 | |
sense it wasn't serious, or it was the practice for later. | 1:13:56 | 1:13:59 | |
With Willie Cullen, I think there was real affection, enjoyment, | 1:13:59 | 1:14:03 | |
and some attraction, but not deep love. | 1:14:03 | 1:14:07 | |
I think with Robert Henderson, there was a strong feeling | 1:14:07 | 1:14:10 | |
of admiration, which goes so far that it comes into romantic love. | 1:14:10 | 1:14:15 | |
And I think she was sort of touched by him, | 1:14:15 | 1:14:18 | |
and Denis, in that sense, didn't mean that she wasn't serious about | 1:14:18 | 1:14:23 | |
marrying Denis, it wasn't a cynical decision, but it was on the rebound. | 1:14:23 | 1:14:27 | |
The newlyweds spent their wedding night in luxurious | 1:14:33 | 1:14:35 | |
surroundings that Margaret wholeheartedly approved of. | 1:14:35 | 1:14:39 | |
'The Savoy is a wonderful hotel in London. | 1:14:39 | 1:14:43 | |
'You just press a bell, and a valet, or a maid, or waiter appears.' | 1:14:43 | 1:14:48 | |
Then it was off on honeymoon, to the island of Madeira, | 1:14:48 | 1:14:51 | |
where just 20 minutes after arriving, | 1:14:51 | 1:14:53 | |
Margaret wrote to her sister with her impressions. | 1:14:53 | 1:14:57 | |
'Some things that the natives think wonderful are very second-rate to us. | 1:14:57 | 1:15:02 | |
'Some of the people with us are very nice, | 1:15:02 | 1:15:04 | |
'but some are rather tatty tourists. | 1:15:04 | 1:15:07 | |
'Jews and nouveau riche.' | 1:15:07 | 1:15:09 | |
Back in London, Mr and Mrs Thatcher | 1:15:12 | 1:15:14 | |
moved into Denis's Chelsea bachelor pad. | 1:15:14 | 1:15:17 | |
Unsurprisingly, Margaret enjoyed making her new home, | 1:15:17 | 1:15:20 | |
and the social opportunities that came with marriage. | 1:15:20 | 1:15:24 | |
'We are giving our first cocktail party a week on Monday, | 1:15:24 | 1:15:26 | |
'when we have invited 50 people to come. | 1:15:26 | 1:15:30 | |
'Eight of them are MPs, so we may have a number of last-minute | 1:15:30 | 1:15:32 | |
'refusals for unavoidable reasons.' | 1:15:32 | 1:15:35 | |
Margaret started her law course in London, | 1:15:37 | 1:15:39 | |
and continue to attend political conferences around the country. | 1:15:39 | 1:15:43 | |
In fact, she became so busy, that less than four | 1:15:43 | 1:15:46 | |
months into married life, her father Alf wrote to Muriel saying... | 1:15:46 | 1:15:50 | |
We had a letter from Margaret on Saturday morning, | 1:15:50 | 1:15:52 | |
obviously scrawled in great haste, but it appears that, if anything, | 1:15:52 | 1:15:56 | |
she's busier now than before marriage, | 1:15:56 | 1:15:58 | |
with one thing or the other. | 1:15:58 | 1:16:00 | |
But there was always room for more in Margaret's life. | 1:16:03 | 1:16:06 | |
And in June 1952, she contacted Conservative Central Office, | 1:16:06 | 1:16:10 | |
wanting to have another shot at becoming an MP. | 1:16:10 | 1:16:12 | |
After the '51 election, she didn't quite know what to do. | 1:16:15 | 1:16:21 | |
She tried one or two marginal seats, and they turned her down. | 1:16:21 | 1:16:27 | |
The cry in those days - | 1:16:27 | 1:16:28 | |
we want more women candidates. We want more women MPs. | 1:16:28 | 1:16:32 | |
But it always turned out when you went to a selection committee, | 1:16:32 | 1:16:35 | |
they'd say, "Well, this is an industrial, | 1:16:35 | 1:16:38 | |
"or this is an agricultural seat. And women are not quite right." | 1:16:38 | 1:16:42 | |
But before Margaret could find a constituency that was | 1:16:44 | 1:16:46 | |
ready for her female talents, her plans were scuppered by pregnancy. | 1:16:46 | 1:16:51 | |
On 15th August 1953, Margaret gave birth to twins, Mark and Carol. | 1:16:52 | 1:16:58 | |
It was a turning point in her life. | 1:16:58 | 1:17:01 | |
And I remember looking at these two, and thinking, now, this is fantastic. | 1:17:01 | 1:17:08 | |
Now if I'm not careful, I'm never going to make an effort to get back | 1:17:08 | 1:17:13 | |
to the sort of intellectual pursuits, I'm just going to be | 1:17:13 | 1:17:16 | |
so overcome with this that I'm not going to continue with law | 1:17:16 | 1:17:22 | |
or politics or anything, and I really ought to be able to do both. | 1:17:22 | 1:17:27 | |
'England was certainly making a good start, but with his score at 37...' | 1:17:27 | 1:17:31 | |
Denis knew nothing of the birth of his children | 1:17:31 | 1:17:34 | |
until he got home from a day's watching England | 1:17:34 | 1:17:36 | |
take on Australia in a Test match at the Oval. | 1:17:36 | 1:17:39 | |
'And the first day's cricket ended.' | 1:17:39 | 1:17:42 | |
And before Margaret had even left the maternity ward, | 1:17:43 | 1:17:46 | |
she'd arranged to go ahead and take her bar finals. | 1:17:46 | 1:17:49 | |
She passed them when the twins were just five months old, | 1:17:49 | 1:17:52 | |
and she was only 28. | 1:17:52 | 1:17:55 | |
She was now juggling two worlds to the best of her abilities. | 1:17:55 | 1:17:59 | |
'Dear Muriel, thank you very much for the vests and romper suits. | 1:17:59 | 1:18:03 | |
'We have always operated on the minimum number of vests... | 1:18:03 | 1:18:06 | |
'Especially as they have both had a tummy bug in the last two days, | 1:18:06 | 1:18:09 | |
'and have had to be changed frequently, because of vomiting... | 1:18:09 | 1:18:12 | |
'I slept in the nursery, and took over night duty, as I should | 1:18:12 | 1:18:15 | |
'have been alert all night anyway, and probably have woken Denis, | 1:18:15 | 1:18:18 | |
'so it seemed to me more sensible to let Nanny have a decent | 1:18:18 | 1:18:21 | |
'night's sleep, and for me to do duty.' | 1:18:21 | 1:18:24 | |
I member the earliest memories I have of my mother were her | 1:18:24 | 1:18:28 | |
coming home in the late afternoon, | 1:18:28 | 1:18:32 | |
and just getting on with whatever had to be done on the house. | 1:18:32 | 1:18:36 | |
And that generally would have involved beginning to cook | 1:18:36 | 1:18:40 | |
dinner, or something like that. Yes, certainly she was committed to... | 1:18:40 | 1:18:44 | |
When Mother was there, | 1:18:44 | 1:18:45 | |
she was fully engaged in all elements of running the home. | 1:18:45 | 1:18:49 | |
She was quite determined always not to be chained to the house, | 1:18:50 | 1:18:55 | |
and she felt bad about it, and she knew, although she wouldn't | 1:18:55 | 1:18:58 | |
quite put it this way, that there were consequences. | 1:18:58 | 1:19:01 | |
It was less happy for the children than it would otherwise have been. | 1:19:03 | 1:19:07 | |
And she would in old age say that sometimes that she'd got that wrong. | 1:19:07 | 1:19:13 | |
Margaret chose to specialise in tax law, a pragmatic decision, | 1:19:14 | 1:19:18 | |
as it allowed a lifestyle that could fit in with motherhood. | 1:19:18 | 1:19:21 | |
'The days simply fly past. | 1:19:21 | 1:19:24 | |
'I go up to Lincoln's Inn most days for lectures and study. | 1:19:24 | 1:19:27 | |
'At the present moment I'm trying to clear up a backlog of letters, | 1:19:27 | 1:19:30 | |
'and reckon I have 50 or more to write to do this. | 1:19:30 | 1:19:33 | |
'Twixt and 'tween us, we haven't a single free evening this week.' | 1:19:33 | 1:19:37 | |
With the work came plenty of social opportunities. | 1:19:42 | 1:19:46 | |
She and Denis enjoyed cocktail parties, | 1:19:46 | 1:19:48 | |
buffet suppers, Conservative balls, and of course dancing. | 1:19:48 | 1:19:52 | |
This time at the Colony Club in Berkeley Square. | 1:19:52 | 1:19:56 | |
But it was around this time, with Margaret | 1:20:01 | 1:20:03 | |
and Denis moving in a very different world from Muriel's, | 1:20:03 | 1:20:06 | |
that the two sisters correspondence became less frequent. | 1:20:06 | 1:20:09 | |
I think the relationship between the sisters definitely weakened, | 1:20:09 | 1:20:13 | |
largely because of circumstances, because Margaret's so busy, | 1:20:13 | 1:20:17 | |
and they're not physically very close, | 1:20:17 | 1:20:18 | |
but there is also another reason, which is some social distance. | 1:20:18 | 1:20:25 | |
They didn't greatly like Denis, | 1:20:27 | 1:20:29 | |
and I think the reason the Cullens didn't greatly like Denis | 1:20:29 | 1:20:32 | |
is that they thought that he looked down on them, | 1:20:32 | 1:20:35 | |
and that they weren't grand enough for him. | 1:20:35 | 1:20:37 | |
And when he turned up, he would say things like, | 1:20:37 | 1:20:39 | |
"How are things down on the farm?" Making them feel small. | 1:20:39 | 1:20:43 | |
Uncle Denis? He was a little bit different to us. | 1:20:43 | 1:20:46 | |
Mother sometimes felt Uncle Denis was a bit pompous, and, erm... | 1:20:46 | 1:20:50 | |
..came from a very privileged background, | 1:20:51 | 1:20:54 | |
and looked down his nose at us mere farmers, | 1:20:54 | 1:20:56 | |
but other than that, they were very good friends, all four them, | 1:20:56 | 1:20:59 | |
mother, father, and Uncle Denis, and Margaret. | 1:20:59 | 1:21:02 | |
Whatever was happening within the sisters' relationship, | 1:21:03 | 1:21:06 | |
nothing could ultimately extinguish Margaret's passion for politics. | 1:21:06 | 1:21:10 | |
Nor her ambition. | 1:21:10 | 1:21:11 | |
In 1955, she'd announced that she would be putting politics | 1:21:12 | 1:21:15 | |
aside for ten years to concentrate on the family, and the law. | 1:21:15 | 1:21:20 | |
But like an addict, falling out of rehab, | 1:21:20 | 1:21:22 | |
she was back within just 13 months. | 1:21:22 | 1:21:24 | |
She tried quite a lot of places, I mean, everywhere. | 1:21:25 | 1:21:29 | |
But somehow she didn't gel with some of the divisions, that's all, | 1:21:29 | 1:21:33 | |
she went to look at. | 1:21:33 | 1:21:34 | |
In the end, she got Finchley, and even then, she told me after, | 1:21:34 | 1:21:39 | |
there were one or two people in the Association who were not very | 1:21:39 | 1:21:41 | |
happy about her being a woman, but once they knew her, | 1:21:41 | 1:21:46 | |
she got over that one very quickly. | 1:21:46 | 1:21:49 | |
'Dear Muriel, once again I have been short-listed for a safe constituency. | 1:21:49 | 1:21:55 | |
'This time it is Finchley, which has a Conservative majority of 12,000. | 1:21:55 | 1:21:59 | |
'I expect the usual prejudice against women will prevail, | 1:21:59 | 1:22:03 | |
'and that I shall probably become the inevitable close second.' | 1:22:03 | 1:22:06 | |
She came on, neatly dressed, and everyone sort of went quiet. | 1:22:08 | 1:22:14 | |
And she was just electric, she had that charisma, | 1:22:14 | 1:22:19 | |
I can still see it to this day. | 1:22:19 | 1:22:21 | |
She spoke so quickly, and about lots of matters, | 1:22:21 | 1:22:26 | |
you couldn't possibly digest it all, but there she was, standing | 1:22:26 | 1:22:30 | |
there, and obviously she would make a wonderful choice, in my eyes. | 1:22:30 | 1:22:35 | |
I was amazed how good she was. | 1:22:35 | 1:22:37 | |
Margaret's main rival for the Finchley seat, a one-legged | 1:22:37 | 1:22:42 | |
brigadier with a Military Cross, proved no match for her. | 1:22:42 | 1:22:46 | |
On July 14th 1958, she was selected candidate for Finchley. | 1:22:46 | 1:22:50 | |
Denis was away, not watching cricket this time, | 1:22:51 | 1:22:54 | |
but abroad on business. | 1:22:54 | 1:22:55 | |
He says he learned the news in a discarded | 1:22:55 | 1:22:57 | |
copy of the Evening Standard, | 1:22:57 | 1:22:59 | |
that he read whilst slightly the worse for drink on a flight home. | 1:22:59 | 1:23:02 | |
The Evening Standard headline was - "Tories Choose Beauty." | 1:23:04 | 1:23:09 | |
We were very lucky in Finchley, I think, | 1:23:09 | 1:23:11 | |
very privileged to have had her. | 1:23:11 | 1:23:13 | |
Thank God we chose her, because they might not have done, | 1:23:13 | 1:23:16 | |
they could have chosen one of the other three gentlemen, | 1:23:16 | 1:23:18 | |
but they didn't, they chose Margaret. | 1:23:18 | 1:23:20 | |
'Trafalgar Square was the chief rallying point for Londoners, | 1:23:20 | 1:23:23 | |
'who aim to make election night a real night out, | 1:23:23 | 1:23:26 | |
'and to see the results chalked up.' | 1:23:26 | 1:23:29 | |
CHEERING | 1:23:29 | 1:23:32 | |
The general election on 8th October 1959 resulted | 1:23:33 | 1:23:37 | |
in victory for the Conservative Party. | 1:23:37 | 1:23:40 | |
In Finchley, Margaret basked in a massive majority of over 16,000. | 1:23:40 | 1:23:46 | |
I think the earliest memory I have of my mother, funnily enough, | 1:23:47 | 1:23:51 | |
was the day after she was elected as a Member of Parliament, | 1:23:51 | 1:23:56 | |
when I, for some reason, walked into the garage in our house in Kent, | 1:23:56 | 1:24:01 | |
and my father's car was just covered in stickers with | 1:24:01 | 1:24:06 | |
photos of my mother, and I knew something was going on. | 1:24:06 | 1:24:11 | |
And that's an abiding memory that I have. | 1:24:11 | 1:24:14 | |
Back home, in Grantham, Margaret's father was proud as Punch, | 1:24:17 | 1:24:21 | |
but realised that his daughter would be busier than ever before. | 1:24:21 | 1:24:25 | |
Just ten days after Margaret entered the House of Commons, he wrote | 1:24:25 | 1:24:28 | |
to Muriel a letter, that is a premonition of how Margaret's | 1:24:28 | 1:24:31 | |
new life will take still further away from him. | 1:24:31 | 1:24:34 | |
'We're all getting settled down after the election excitement. | 1:24:34 | 1:24:38 | |
'We so far have only received a short letter from Margaret, | 1:24:38 | 1:24:41 | |
'but she says she is completely inundated with correspondence. | 1:24:41 | 1:24:45 | |
'We realise that, so exercise patience. | 1:24:45 | 1:24:48 | |
'I hope she will soon be writing to you.' | 1:24:48 | 1:24:50 | |
Throughout her life, Margaret celebrated her father, | 1:24:52 | 1:24:55 | |
but in truth, as she grew older, she found him an unwelcome distraction. | 1:24:55 | 1:24:58 | |
This is how she described him when he came to stay with | 1:24:58 | 1:25:01 | |
her and Denis, soon after her mother had died. | 1:25:01 | 1:25:04 | |
'Dear Muriel, re Pop - he's eating the most enormous meals, | 1:25:04 | 1:25:09 | |
'and doing absolutely nothing except reading. | 1:25:09 | 1:25:12 | |
'I shall have to shunt Pop off | 1:25:12 | 1:25:14 | |
'on Saturday, 14th January at the outside. | 1:25:14 | 1:25:16 | |
'Will this be all right with you? | 1:25:16 | 1:25:18 | |
'Otherwise he will just hang on and on, and not take any hints.' | 1:25:18 | 1:25:23 | |
Just a couple of months before Alf Roberts died in 1970, | 1:25:23 | 1:25:27 | |
he wrote to Muriel saying... | 1:25:27 | 1:25:29 | |
'I'm sorry to say I never hear anything from Margaret, | 1:25:29 | 1:25:31 | |
'either by letter or phone. | 1:25:31 | 1:25:33 | |
'In fact, I don't think I know their new phone number.' | 1:25:33 | 1:25:36 | |
And just ten days later, | 1:25:38 | 1:25:39 | |
in one of his last surviving letters, he writes... | 1:25:39 | 1:25:43 | |
'I still have not heard from Margaret...' | 1:25:43 | 1:25:45 | |
Eight months after her father Alf's death, Margaret returned to | 1:25:48 | 1:25:52 | |
Grantham for his memorial service, and the dedication of a lectern. | 1:25:52 | 1:25:56 | |
Now Secretary of State for Education, | 1:25:56 | 1:25:57 | |
she turned to her sister, and complained that she hadn't | 1:25:57 | 1:26:00 | |
been seated in a position befitting of a Cabinet Minister. | 1:26:00 | 1:26:03 | |
Muriel replied, "This service isn't for you." | 1:26:03 | 1:26:08 | |
Mrs Thatcher fled from her background in Grantham in many | 1:26:13 | 1:26:16 | |
ways, in order to become a famous and successful woman, | 1:26:16 | 1:26:19 | |
but she returned to it rhetorically, | 1:26:19 | 1:26:22 | |
and funnily enough, this was genuine. | 1:26:22 | 1:26:25 | |
Though she had no desire to go back to Grantham, | 1:26:25 | 1:26:28 | |
and was very glad not to be there, she was always faithful to | 1:26:28 | 1:26:33 | |
what she'd learned at her father's knee. | 1:26:33 | 1:26:35 | |
And she did therefore project the experiences of her childhood, | 1:26:35 | 1:26:42 | |
and the beliefs of her father, on a global scale. | 1:26:42 | 1:26:47 | |
And that gave her, in some people's view, limitations, | 1:26:47 | 1:26:52 | |
but in another way, a unique strength. | 1:26:52 | 1:26:55 | |
And I think people responded to that tremendous underlying | 1:26:55 | 1:27:00 | |
genuineness and simplicity which came from those roots. | 1:27:00 | 1:27:04 | |
Now she's just coming into Downing Street now. | 1:27:04 | 1:27:07 | |
Here comes the Prime Ministerial Rover, | 1:27:07 | 1:27:10 | |
bearing now Mrs Thatcher, as Prime Minister. | 1:27:10 | 1:27:14 | |
It took just under 20 years for Margaret to make | 1:27:14 | 1:27:17 | |
the journey from Finchley to Number Ten. | 1:27:17 | 1:27:19 | |
The great self improver had pulled off the greatest | 1:27:19 | 1:27:22 | |
self-improvement imaginable - from provincial obscurity to global fame. | 1:27:22 | 1:27:28 | |
Well, of course, I just owe almost | 1:27:28 | 1:27:30 | |
everything to my own father, I really do. | 1:27:30 | 1:27:33 | |
And it's passionately interesting to me that the | 1:27:33 | 1:27:36 | |
things which I learned in a small town, in a very modest home, | 1:27:36 | 1:27:39 | |
are just the things which I believe have won the election. | 1:27:39 | 1:27:42 | |
'Dear Muriel, Daddy does not like the idea of medical at all, | 1:27:44 | 1:27:48 | |
'but I'm taking biology, chemistry and maths... | 1:27:48 | 1:27:50 | |
'And the next idea on the list is to go to university, | 1:27:50 | 1:27:53 | |
'and take a science degree, then sit for a civil service exam... | 1:27:53 | 1:27:56 | |
'I must stop now, as it is time to go to Sunday school. | 1:27:56 | 1:28:00 | |
'Lots of love, Margaret.' | 1:28:00 | 1:28:02 | |
The sisters continued to see each other, at Number Ten, | 1:28:02 | 1:28:06 | |
on the farm in Essex, and at Margaret's latest address, | 1:28:06 | 1:28:10 | |
Chequers, where Muriel and the family were invited. | 1:28:10 | 1:28:13 | |
But although Number Ten was the ultimate letterhead, | 1:28:14 | 1:28:17 | |
there would be no time for frivolous letter writing now. | 1:28:17 | 1:28:20 | |
Now was the time for the affairs of state. | 1:28:20 | 1:28:24 | |
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