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ALAN HANSEN, ECHOING: 'Indecision is final... | 0:00:04 | 0:00:06 | |
'Terrible defending... | 0:00:06 | 0:00:08 | |
'No pace and passion... | 0:00:10 | 0:00:12 | |
'Diabolical... | 0:00:13 | 0:00:14 | |
'Woeful... | 0:00:16 | 0:00:17 | |
'Shocking... | 0:00:18 | 0:00:19 | |
'Abysmal... | 0:00:20 | 0:00:21 | |
'Time and time again... | 0:00:23 | 0:00:24 | |
'Effort, attitude, commitment... | 0:00:26 | 0:00:28 | |
'You can't win anything with kids.' | 0:00:30 | 0:00:31 | |
HE WHISTLES | 0:00:41 | 0:00:44 | |
Last time, this walk. | 0:00:44 | 0:00:46 | |
-Your last time, Alan? -Last time, this walk. | 0:00:46 | 0:00:48 | |
Do you want to go to the top? | 0:00:54 | 0:00:55 | |
Final day of the season. One of the best seasons ever. | 0:00:57 | 0:00:59 | |
Great time for me to go. | 0:01:00 | 0:01:02 | |
Alan Hansen - | 0:01:04 | 0:01:06 | |
football pundit, | 0:01:06 | 0:01:08 | |
football player. | 0:01:08 | 0:01:10 | |
He's a wee boy from Sauchie that made good. | 0:01:12 | 0:01:14 | |
And here's Hansen... | 0:01:14 | 0:01:16 | |
He made very good. Exceptionally good. | 0:01:16 | 0:01:19 | |
A special one. | 0:01:21 | 0:01:22 | |
He was a great player. | 0:01:23 | 0:01:24 | |
He just oozed class. He was a fantastic player. | 0:01:24 | 0:01:27 | |
Absolutely top, top drawer. | 0:01:27 | 0:01:30 | |
And Hansen moving up again. | 0:01:30 | 0:01:31 | |
He's been menacing in that role so far. | 0:01:31 | 0:01:33 | |
He was just so different to what was around at that time. | 0:01:33 | 0:01:36 | |
And he's through, and he checked and he scored. | 0:01:36 | 0:01:38 | |
His reading of the game... | 0:01:38 | 0:01:39 | |
He always seemed to have great composure and time on the ball. | 0:01:39 | 0:01:42 | |
He's fearless. | 0:01:42 | 0:01:44 | |
Never afraid to criticise even his best friends. | 0:01:44 | 0:01:48 | |
Only the best players in the world can do that. | 0:01:48 | 0:01:51 | |
He'd just say, "Al, you're rubbish." | 0:01:51 | 0:01:53 | |
That's what he used to say. "Al, you're rubbish." | 0:01:53 | 0:01:55 | |
Let me tell you, I had plenty ammunition. | 0:01:55 | 0:01:58 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:01:58 | 0:02:00 | |
Never rubbish, but never quite what you expect either. | 0:02:00 | 0:02:03 | |
He will now score! | 0:02:03 | 0:02:05 | |
People think he's super-confident, | 0:02:05 | 0:02:06 | |
but he's actually really shy and insecure. | 0:02:06 | 0:02:10 | |
Came on the show, nervous as a cat. | 0:02:10 | 0:02:11 | |
-He froze. -Absolutely. I froze. | 0:02:11 | 0:02:13 | |
It was worse than that. | 0:02:13 | 0:02:15 | |
And who and what does he truly love? | 0:02:15 | 0:02:17 | |
He'd rather watch the golf! | 0:02:18 | 0:02:20 | |
She's sweet and she's lovely, and he's horrible and he's miserable. | 0:02:20 | 0:02:24 | |
On the TV, he's quite a serious, hard man, | 0:02:24 | 0:02:27 | |
whereas he is the total opposite at home. | 0:02:27 | 0:02:29 | |
He was there on football's darkest days. | 0:02:29 | 0:02:32 | |
Two guys came on the pitch, | 0:02:34 | 0:02:35 | |
and you could tell from the sadness in his eyes... | 0:02:35 | 0:02:38 | |
He wasn't making it up. He says, "Al, there's people dying in there." | 0:02:38 | 0:02:42 | |
And he reinvented himself under the bright lights | 0:02:42 | 0:02:45 | |
and became king of the pundits. | 0:02:45 | 0:02:48 | |
-Too right. -He was the original, wasn't he? -He's so good. | 0:02:48 | 0:02:51 | |
If he's saying something on Match of the Day, | 0:02:51 | 0:02:54 | |
then people take his word. | 0:02:54 | 0:02:56 | |
Not all his words. | 0:02:56 | 0:02:58 | |
You can't win anything with kids. | 0:02:58 | 0:03:00 | |
He almost ruined my life that night, watching Match of the Day. | 0:03:00 | 0:03:03 | |
It acted as kind of a motivational theme throughout the season, really. | 0:03:03 | 0:03:07 | |
It was a line that made me! | 0:03:07 | 0:03:09 | |
PHONE RINGS | 0:03:09 | 0:03:13 | |
That's my phone! | 0:03:13 | 0:03:14 | |
THEY LAUGH Turn it off. | 0:03:14 | 0:03:15 | |
Almost an institution as far as Match of the Day's concerned, | 0:03:15 | 0:03:18 | |
so I'm sure there'll be lots of us that are sorry to see him go. | 0:03:18 | 0:03:21 | |
He's worked with the best. | 0:03:21 | 0:03:23 | |
THEY CHEER WILDLY | 0:03:23 | 0:03:24 | |
Any of you boys scored coming on as a substitute this season? | 0:03:24 | 0:03:27 | |
-Not this season, no. -No. No? -No. | 0:03:27 | 0:03:29 | |
Any of you boys scored at all this season? | 0:03:29 | 0:03:31 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:03:31 | 0:03:33 | |
-No. -No. -Well, that's fair enough. | 0:03:33 | 0:03:34 | |
-He has been the best. -What are you talking about? | 0:03:34 | 0:03:37 | |
'Can you get me Alan Hansen's autograph?' | 0:03:37 | 0:03:38 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:03:38 | 0:03:40 | |
-'I suppose so.' -Brilliant! | 0:03:40 | 0:03:42 | |
And now, Alan Hansen, | 0:03:42 | 0:03:44 | |
my friend Alan Hansen, is calling it a day. | 0:03:44 | 0:03:48 | |
What was the young Alan Hansen like? | 0:03:49 | 0:03:52 | |
I was born in this mining village called Sauchie that... | 0:03:52 | 0:03:54 | |
There were two choices, you either played football or played football. | 0:03:54 | 0:03:58 | |
There was nothing else. | 0:03:58 | 0:03:59 | |
John's the eldest, I'm the middle, and Alan was the baby. | 0:04:03 | 0:04:07 | |
He's always been my wee brother, and always looked out for him. | 0:04:07 | 0:04:12 | |
He was a very easy-going child. | 0:04:12 | 0:04:16 | |
I think the way often third children are, everyone was fond of him. | 0:04:17 | 0:04:22 | |
He winds me up constantly, | 0:04:23 | 0:04:26 | |
but I know that there is this deep affection between both of us | 0:04:26 | 0:04:30 | |
and my sister as well. | 0:04:30 | 0:04:32 | |
When I got to secondary school at age 11, Jim Cousin, | 0:04:34 | 0:04:38 | |
who was a history teacher, | 0:04:38 | 0:04:40 | |
who had also been a professional footballer... | 0:04:40 | 0:04:43 | |
his encouragement was total. | 0:04:44 | 0:04:47 | |
Come on! | 0:04:47 | 0:04:48 | |
He was the one that was taking me to the Scotland schoolboy trials | 0:04:48 | 0:04:52 | |
and telling me, basically, that I was a great player, | 0:04:52 | 0:04:55 | |
and I would have a tremendous future in the game, | 0:04:55 | 0:04:57 | |
and I never, ever believed him, really. | 0:04:57 | 0:04:59 | |
This way! | 0:04:59 | 0:05:01 | |
I used to watch him playing and I was amazed at | 0:05:01 | 0:05:03 | |
how proficient he was at the game. | 0:05:03 | 0:05:05 | |
He was outstanding. | 0:05:05 | 0:05:07 | |
He was absolutely tremendous in controlling a ball. | 0:05:08 | 0:05:12 | |
It never bounced away from him. | 0:05:12 | 0:05:14 | |
He always had it under perfect control, and he either went on | 0:05:14 | 0:05:17 | |
an amazing dribble or he would put lovely passes on to other players. | 0:05:17 | 0:05:23 | |
But he loved golf. | 0:05:24 | 0:05:26 | |
Sometimes in the morning, I think he went out | 0:05:26 | 0:05:29 | |
and had a game before he even went into football in the morning. | 0:05:29 | 0:05:32 | |
We played three rounds every day, and we were relatively young, | 0:05:32 | 0:05:36 | |
and he was always following me to the golf and I was... | 0:05:36 | 0:05:38 | |
HE SCOFFS | 0:05:38 | 0:05:39 | |
because I would be playing with big boys, and he'd chase me, | 0:05:39 | 0:05:42 | |
and he wanted to play with me, and I threw him into a bunker, | 0:05:42 | 0:05:46 | |
and a man came over and started shouting at me, and I said, | 0:05:46 | 0:05:49 | |
"It's OK, he's my wee brother." | 0:05:49 | 0:05:51 | |
As though that made it OK to throw him in the bunker! | 0:05:51 | 0:05:54 | |
Golf's always been my first love. | 0:05:54 | 0:05:56 | |
I stopped playing football at 15 and 17 to concentrate on golf. | 0:05:56 | 0:06:00 | |
Right? My brother was playing football at the time, | 0:06:00 | 0:06:03 | |
and he thought I was crazy. | 0:06:03 | 0:06:05 | |
He just wanted to play golf. That's all he wanted to do. | 0:06:05 | 0:06:07 | |
He played football as a side thing, but he was a golfer. | 0:06:07 | 0:06:11 | |
Much to the dismay of my father, | 0:06:11 | 0:06:13 | |
who always wanted me to be a footballer. | 0:06:13 | 0:06:15 | |
Just to placate him, I went on trial at Hibs | 0:06:15 | 0:06:18 | |
when I was 17, and it was a week before I was playing in | 0:06:18 | 0:06:20 | |
the Scottish Boys' Stroke Play at Montrose, and Eddie Turnbull, | 0:06:20 | 0:06:23 | |
after five days, brought me into his office, he was the manager, | 0:06:23 | 0:06:26 | |
brings me in the office, and says, | 0:06:26 | 0:06:27 | |
"Right, we want to sign you on professional forms." | 0:06:27 | 0:06:30 | |
And I said, "Well, I'm just playing. | 0:06:30 | 0:06:33 | |
"I'm going to Montrose to play in the Scottish Boys' Stroke Play. | 0:06:33 | 0:06:36 | |
"I'm never playing football again." He says, "What? You're an idiot! | 0:06:36 | 0:06:39 | |
I said, "No, no, I'm a golfer." | 0:06:39 | 0:06:40 | |
I said, "I came here just to placate my father." | 0:06:40 | 0:06:44 | |
He said, "Well, you've got a real chance here." | 0:06:44 | 0:06:46 | |
I said, "Well, I don't care. | 0:06:46 | 0:06:48 | |
"I'm going to play golf," and off I went. | 0:06:48 | 0:06:50 | |
I was surprised when he switched from golf to football, | 0:06:50 | 0:06:54 | |
because he desperately wanted to be a golfer. | 0:06:54 | 0:06:56 | |
I'm pretty sure the time it changed it for him, | 0:07:01 | 0:07:03 | |
we played Celtic in the League Cup final. | 0:07:03 | 0:07:06 | |
'Partick Thistle, very much the outsiders. | 0:07:06 | 0:07:08 | |
'Celtic in the home shirts.' | 0:07:08 | 0:07:09 | |
Commentator, Archie Macpherson. | 0:07:09 | 0:07:11 | |
Up comes Hansen for this... | 0:07:11 | 0:07:13 | |
We were underdogs, Celtic were... | 0:07:13 | 0:07:16 | |
They had won the league title ten years in a row. | 0:07:16 | 0:07:19 | |
And it's there! It's a goal! | 0:07:21 | 0:07:22 | |
They'd won the European Cup six or seven... | 0:07:24 | 0:07:27 | |
What a goal! | 0:07:28 | 0:07:30 | |
We had just been promoted from the league below us. | 0:07:30 | 0:07:34 | |
And it's almost there... | 0:07:35 | 0:07:36 | |
It's a goal! It's number three for Thistle. | 0:07:36 | 0:07:40 | |
Almost unbelievably! | 0:07:40 | 0:07:41 | |
But we won 4-1. | 0:07:42 | 0:07:45 | |
A good ball in there. It is a goal! | 0:07:45 | 0:07:48 | |
The final score for Partick Thistle, 4-1, | 0:07:48 | 0:07:50 | |
the first time they've ever won the Scottish League Cup. | 0:07:50 | 0:07:52 | |
And believe it or not, | 0:07:52 | 0:07:53 | |
there were people who gave them no chance at all. | 0:07:53 | 0:07:55 | |
CHEERING | 0:07:55 | 0:07:58 | |
When we came off the park at the end, I looked up to the stand | 0:07:58 | 0:08:02 | |
and I saw Alan sitting in the front row, and I've never, ever | 0:08:02 | 0:08:05 | |
seen him so animated, and I think that was his time he realised. | 0:08:05 | 0:08:09 | |
"I think I'm going to want to be a footballer here." | 0:08:10 | 0:08:13 | |
Seeing the adulation, I think, for the players and the success, | 0:08:13 | 0:08:17 | |
and how it was possible for dreams to come true, | 0:08:17 | 0:08:22 | |
I can imagine that that would have had a huge impact on Alan. | 0:08:22 | 0:08:26 | |
I was meant to be going to Aberdeen University to study history. | 0:08:26 | 0:08:30 | |
I was a historian. | 0:08:30 | 0:08:31 | |
Somebody then says, you're better becoming a PE teacher, | 0:08:31 | 0:08:33 | |
because I played four different sports. | 0:08:33 | 0:08:36 | |
Never got into the PE college. | 0:08:36 | 0:08:37 | |
What am I going to do? Partick came and said, "Right, well, | 0:08:37 | 0:08:40 | |
"we'll give you this to sign on, we'll give you this a week," | 0:08:40 | 0:08:43 | |
and I took it. And the rest is history. | 0:08:43 | 0:08:45 | |
-Football, in many ways, was just a last resort. -Well, it was. | 0:08:45 | 0:08:48 | |
It was great for us being at Sauchie, | 0:08:48 | 0:08:50 | |
because they kept our feet on the ground, | 0:08:50 | 0:08:52 | |
and it was great going to Partick, | 0:08:52 | 0:08:54 | |
because it was just a fantastic team. | 0:08:54 | 0:08:56 | |
The Hansen brothers together at Partick. | 0:08:56 | 0:09:00 | |
The Jags. | 0:09:00 | 0:09:01 | |
Nobody at Firhill got above himself, either. | 0:09:02 | 0:09:05 | |
I had four great years at Partick, you know. | 0:09:07 | 0:09:09 | |
If you think a crowd in England are cynical, in Scotland, | 0:09:09 | 0:09:13 | |
multiply it by 100,000. | 0:09:13 | 0:09:14 | |
And at Partick, they'd be shouting, "Hansen, you're a waste of time. | 0:09:14 | 0:09:18 | |
"Hansen, you're this..." And I was one of the favourites! | 0:09:18 | 0:09:21 | |
-They were right! -They were right as well! | 0:09:21 | 0:09:23 | |
They were spot on. | 0:09:23 | 0:09:24 | |
# Here I am stuck in the middle with you... # | 0:09:24 | 0:09:27 | |
It was very difficult playing with him. | 0:09:27 | 0:09:30 | |
Because he was really skilful and I was a really fast runner. | 0:09:30 | 0:09:34 | |
He always assumed that you could do what he could do. | 0:09:34 | 0:09:37 | |
And obviously, we couldn't. | 0:09:37 | 0:09:39 | |
Was the young Alan Hansen cocky, know-it-all? | 0:09:42 | 0:09:45 | |
-Mmm...I was very, very shy and introvert. -Really? | 0:09:45 | 0:09:49 | |
I really was. I mean, I went to Liverpool at 21, | 0:09:49 | 0:09:53 | |
totally inadequate. You know, I felt right out of my depth, | 0:09:53 | 0:09:56 | |
and I was so nervous going there, I just didn't want to be there. | 0:09:56 | 0:10:00 | |
I didn't want to leave Scotland. | 0:10:00 | 0:10:02 | |
I think it probably surprised people | 0:10:02 | 0:10:04 | |
when you say "I was a nervous individual." | 0:10:04 | 0:10:07 | |
-Are you still nervous to this day? -Well, I'm... | 0:10:07 | 0:10:09 | |
I mean, I've seen you on shows... | 0:10:09 | 0:10:11 | |
I'm more nervous than ever. | 0:10:11 | 0:10:13 | |
People think he's super-confident, but he's actually really shy | 0:10:13 | 0:10:16 | |
and insecure and... | 0:10:16 | 0:10:18 | |
Even after all these years on Match of the Day, | 0:10:19 | 0:10:22 | |
he's still really nervous. | 0:10:22 | 0:10:23 | |
The more experienced I got at Liverpool, I'm thinking, | 0:10:23 | 0:10:26 | |
"The nerves'll disappear." But they never. They got worse. | 0:10:26 | 0:10:29 | |
The nervous 21-year-old was signed by Liverpool in 1977. | 0:10:31 | 0:10:35 | |
Anfield, the Kop, tests of anyone's nerves. | 0:10:37 | 0:10:42 | |
CROWD SING | 0:10:42 | 0:10:44 | |
I used to sit in the Liverpool dressing room in '77. | 0:10:44 | 0:10:47 | |
They thought I was the coolest character ever, | 0:10:47 | 0:10:49 | |
because I never warmed up, I'd sit there with a programme | 0:10:49 | 0:10:51 | |
singing the Billy Joel song Don't Go Changing. | 0:10:51 | 0:10:53 | |
# Don't go changing... # | 0:10:53 | 0:10:56 | |
And, like, they'd look at me and go... | 0:10:56 | 0:10:58 | |
"That's unreal, for a kid." | 0:10:58 | 0:11:00 | |
I mean, but underneath it, I am, like, churning. | 0:11:00 | 0:11:03 | |
-What was the feeling? -The feeling was just...sickness. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:06 | |
-Were you scared? Of failure? -Yes, just scared. | 0:11:06 | 0:11:08 | |
Ten minutes to go, the bell goes to go out onto the pitch. | 0:11:08 | 0:11:13 | |
So I'd been stretching off and doing whatever, I said, "Alan. | 0:11:13 | 0:11:17 | |
"Are you not going to get warmed up?" | 0:11:18 | 0:11:20 | |
"Oh," he says, "Yeah." Just stands up. | 0:11:20 | 0:11:23 | |
Gives it one of them and goes back in. | 0:11:26 | 0:11:29 | |
"All right. Let's go." | 0:11:29 | 0:11:30 | |
HE LAUGHS | 0:11:30 | 0:11:33 | |
And he walks out onto the pitch! | 0:11:33 | 0:11:35 | |
But as soon as I touched the sign, got down the tunnel, | 0:11:35 | 0:11:38 | |
-not a nerve in my body. -How did you play in your first game? | 0:11:38 | 0:11:40 | |
I played very well. It was the second game I didn't play so well. | 0:11:40 | 0:11:44 | |
And then we had a bad run. | 0:11:44 | 0:11:45 | |
I think we had three defeats on the trot, | 0:11:45 | 0:11:48 | |
and Bob Paisley went in the papers and said, | 0:11:48 | 0:11:50 | |
"The only person playing well in the Liverpool back four is Alan Hansen." | 0:11:50 | 0:11:54 | |
On the Saturday, reads the team sheet out, | 0:11:54 | 0:11:56 | |
and I'm the only one not playing. | 0:11:56 | 0:11:58 | |
I then go and see him on the Monday and say, | 0:11:58 | 0:12:01 | |
"How can you say in the papers that I'm the only one playing well | 0:12:01 | 0:12:04 | |
"and you leave me out on the Saturday?" | 0:12:04 | 0:12:06 | |
He says, "Listen, son, the longer you play this game, | 0:12:06 | 0:12:08 | |
"you'll realise that experience is everything." | 0:12:08 | 0:12:11 | |
And he was spot on. | 0:12:11 | 0:12:13 | |
But for the first year, I was tremendously homesick. | 0:12:13 | 0:12:16 | |
Souness. | 0:12:18 | 0:12:19 | |
And there's Dalglish through. | 0:12:19 | 0:12:21 | |
And is that going in? Yes, it is! | 0:12:21 | 0:12:23 | |
I went home in the summer and after winning the European Cup, | 0:12:23 | 0:12:26 | |
didn't want to come back to Liverpool. | 0:12:26 | 0:12:28 | |
We were worried he wasn't going to settle, | 0:12:28 | 0:12:30 | |
and there was lots of stories in papers | 0:12:30 | 0:12:32 | |
about players going to big clubs and getting led astray and... | 0:12:32 | 0:12:36 | |
But the best thing, I have said often, | 0:12:36 | 0:12:39 | |
the best thing that ever happened to him was he met Jan, and Jan... | 0:12:39 | 0:12:43 | |
You know, he's besotted with her. | 0:12:43 | 0:12:45 | |
Even now, he's still besotted with her. | 0:12:45 | 0:12:47 | |
They couldn't have met at a better time. | 0:12:50 | 0:12:52 | |
But what about those nerves? | 0:12:54 | 0:12:56 | |
Would he fluff his opening lines? | 0:12:56 | 0:12:58 | |
'We met in a club in Liverpool.' | 0:13:00 | 0:13:02 | |
I didn't follow football, | 0:13:02 | 0:13:03 | |
so I didn't know what he did, and actually, | 0:13:03 | 0:13:07 | |
when we did start chatting, he said he worked in insurance. | 0:13:07 | 0:13:11 | |
Do you think you settled in better into Liverpool when you met Janet? | 0:13:11 | 0:13:15 | |
Oh, she was...I mean, my whole family says she saved me. | 0:13:15 | 0:13:19 | |
I wouldn't go that far. | 0:13:19 | 0:13:22 | |
He is bone idle. He is bone idle. | 0:13:22 | 0:13:24 | |
He will play golf, he will go on holiday, | 0:13:24 | 0:13:29 | |
he will try to do as little as possible. | 0:13:29 | 0:13:32 | |
The only thing that is going to prevent him doing that is Jan. | 0:13:32 | 0:13:35 | |
She's sweet and she's lovely, and he's horrible and miserable, | 0:13:35 | 0:13:38 | |
so you just don't really put them together. | 0:13:38 | 0:13:41 | |
'We got married in 1980. | 0:13:43 | 0:13:45 | |
'In the June, and then we had Adam a year later, | 0:13:45 | 0:13:49 | |
'next June, and Lucy three years after that.' | 0:13:49 | 0:13:53 | |
They make a very good couple. | 0:13:53 | 0:13:55 | |
I think Mum's probably the only person | 0:13:55 | 0:13:58 | |
who Dad would ever concede he's wrong to. | 0:13:58 | 0:14:01 | |
He's totally himself when he's at home. | 0:14:01 | 0:14:05 | |
On the TV, he's quite a serious, hard man, | 0:14:05 | 0:14:08 | |
whereas he is the total opposite at home. | 0:14:08 | 0:14:11 | |
He has a very soft side, | 0:14:11 | 0:14:14 | |
which I think he would be at pains to hide from people, | 0:14:14 | 0:14:20 | |
and when the chips are down, you can count on Alan, | 0:14:20 | 0:14:23 | |
you know, for support, for love. | 0:14:23 | 0:14:26 | |
'You'll never, ever see him at fancy parties, showbiz parties. | 0:14:26 | 0:14:29 | |
'You'll never, ever see him | 0:14:29 | 0:14:31 | |
'on Strictly Come Dancing or anything like that.' | 0:14:31 | 0:14:33 | |
He just wants to be home with his wife and kids. | 0:14:33 | 0:14:36 | |
We go everywhere as a family. The kids have been great. | 0:14:36 | 0:14:40 | |
-They're not kids any more. -No, they're not, they're 32 and 29. | 0:14:40 | 0:14:43 | |
The potential for them to grow up to be brats | 0:14:43 | 0:14:46 | |
in that environment was immense, | 0:14:46 | 0:14:48 | |
but you couldn't meet two nicer kids, | 0:14:48 | 0:14:50 | |
and that's down to him and Jan, | 0:14:50 | 0:14:52 | |
and that's, for me, that's his biggest achievement. | 0:14:52 | 0:14:56 | |
Which is saying something. | 0:14:58 | 0:15:00 | |
On the football field, Liverpool were flying. | 0:15:00 | 0:15:03 | |
In seven seasons from 1978 they won the European Cup three times. | 0:15:06 | 0:15:11 | |
The league five times. | 0:15:13 | 0:15:15 | |
Four league cups. | 0:15:15 | 0:15:17 | |
There would be more when he was captain. | 0:15:19 | 0:15:21 | |
But this was the age of pure joy. | 0:15:21 | 0:15:24 | |
In your playing career, so much success, highlight? | 0:15:24 | 0:15:27 | |
-So many, I suppose. -European Cup final '78. | 0:15:29 | 0:15:33 | |
-Double winning captain, '86. -'86. -'86, great year, that. | 0:15:33 | 0:15:38 | |
'84 in Rome. Amazing in Rome. | 0:15:38 | 0:15:42 | |
We are in the tunnel and we've got three guys that play | 0:15:42 | 0:15:45 | |
for Middlesbrough, Graeme Souness, Dave Hodgson and Craig Johnson. | 0:15:45 | 0:15:48 | |
They start singing this Chris Rea song, | 0:15:48 | 0:15:50 | |
I Don't Know What It Is But I Love It. | 0:15:50 | 0:15:52 | |
And so everyone started singing it. The Roma players, | 0:15:52 | 0:15:55 | |
they looked at us like we were off our head, and we were! | 0:15:55 | 0:15:58 | |
Bruce Grobbelaar has a chat. | 0:15:58 | 0:16:01 | |
Francisco Graziani against Bruce Grobbelaar. Graziani! Over the top. | 0:16:01 | 0:16:07 | |
It was such a great night. | 0:16:07 | 0:16:09 | |
Alan Kennedy has won the European Cup for Liverpool. | 0:16:09 | 0:16:13 | |
To go in there and win a penalty shoot-out was fantastic. | 0:16:13 | 0:16:16 | |
Liverpool have won it for the fourth time. | 0:16:16 | 0:16:18 | |
And the cup is lifted and it glitters silver. | 0:16:18 | 0:16:21 | |
Who is the best player you played with? | 0:16:21 | 0:16:23 | |
Kenny was the best player. And then Graeme was next. | 0:16:23 | 0:16:26 | |
I go to Liverpool as a 21-year-old, first Scotsman and then | 0:16:26 | 0:16:29 | |
I get followed by a couple of lesser known Scots, Dalglish and Souness. | 0:16:29 | 0:16:33 | |
Hansen at the back, Souness in midfield. Dalglish upfront. | 0:16:37 | 0:16:43 | |
And that is absolutely outstanding finishing. | 0:16:43 | 0:16:46 | |
They can still knock a ball around. Sort of. | 0:16:46 | 0:16:49 | |
We're not in Florida, you know. | 0:16:49 | 0:16:52 | |
Don't want to show the dandruff! | 0:16:52 | 0:16:54 | |
Only the best players in the world can do that. | 0:16:56 | 0:16:59 | |
He just said to me it's 30 years ago | 0:16:59 | 0:17:03 | |
since we played in the European Cup final. | 0:17:03 | 0:17:06 | |
He remembers a ball he passed to me and I mis-controlled it. | 0:17:06 | 0:17:09 | |
He did that quite a bit, to be fair. | 0:17:09 | 0:17:14 | |
He used to come and try and take the ball off me and I would say, | 0:17:14 | 0:17:16 | |
"What are you coming back here for? I am a better passer than you are." | 0:17:16 | 0:17:21 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:17:21 | 0:17:23 | |
Shite! | 0:17:26 | 0:17:29 | |
Kenny and I live really close to each other but Graeme lives | 0:17:29 | 0:17:32 | |
in Poole somewhere. | 0:17:32 | 0:17:34 | |
Graeme Souness is the type of person, you don't see him five years | 0:17:34 | 0:17:37 | |
and you can pick up like that. | 0:17:37 | 0:17:39 | |
At the start, when you came, I was the first Scot in that era. | 0:17:39 | 0:17:43 | |
They didn't know what to expect. | 0:17:43 | 0:17:46 | |
How long did it take you to become a bully? | 0:17:46 | 0:17:47 | |
You two were 10 times worse than I ever was. | 0:17:47 | 0:17:50 | |
Just because we tried to betray the Jocks as a master race. | 0:17:50 | 0:17:54 | |
And that wasn't very difficult, because the average IQ was -6. | 0:17:54 | 0:17:59 | |
It was... It wasn't difficult! | 0:17:59 | 0:18:03 | |
The higher up you go in football, the dressing room banter is more severe. | 0:18:03 | 0:18:08 | |
The humour is more severe. | 0:18:09 | 0:18:11 | |
-You can't wait to get there because of the banter. -The mickey-taking. | 0:18:13 | 0:18:18 | |
That's why it was so successful and good, because of the dressing room. | 0:18:18 | 0:18:22 | |
We were one of the best professionals, trained properly | 0:18:27 | 0:18:30 | |
but enjoyed a night out and maybe drank too much alcohol. | 0:18:30 | 0:18:34 | |
-Speak for yourself. -Didn't eat the right food. | 0:18:34 | 0:18:38 | |
And we were playing against teams like the Germans, Italians | 0:18:38 | 0:18:42 | |
and still beat them easily. | 0:18:42 | 0:18:43 | |
The longer the game went, | 0:18:43 | 0:18:45 | |
the more tired they got and the stronger we got. | 0:18:45 | 0:18:47 | |
-Comes down to desire. -It's a combination of everything. | 0:18:47 | 0:18:51 | |
People used to turn up to watch us train with a notepad. | 0:18:51 | 0:18:54 | |
From the first tier, right down. | 0:18:54 | 0:18:56 | |
Walked a perimeter, jogged a perimeter, five-a-sides, | 0:18:56 | 0:18:58 | |
sprints, five-a-sides, sprints, finish. | 0:18:58 | 0:19:01 | |
Second day, they write down, The third day, there was no writing. | 0:19:01 | 0:19:05 | |
The notepad was sitting next to them. | 0:19:05 | 0:19:08 | |
These guys would say to me, "Do you come back in the afternoon | 0:19:08 | 0:19:11 | |
-"and do tactical stuff?" -No. Do you come back in the afternoon?! | 0:19:11 | 0:19:15 | |
I would go to Kenny's for Christmas Day and Kenny says, | 0:19:17 | 0:19:23 | |
"Graeme's coming." | 0:19:23 | 0:19:25 | |
So, you come through and the usual... What happens? | 0:19:25 | 0:19:30 | |
The champagne comes out and this is the day before the game, | 0:19:30 | 0:19:34 | |
and Kenny says we will have one glass and we go on the bus | 0:19:34 | 0:19:39 | |
and I thought to myself, "We've had a bit too much | 0:19:39 | 0:19:43 | |
"the day before the match, blah, blah, blah..." | 0:19:43 | 0:19:46 | |
and we beat them 3-0. | 0:19:46 | 0:19:49 | |
-We beat them 3-0! -And we all played really well. | 0:19:49 | 0:19:52 | |
Remember when we used to win things. Win a trophy. | 0:19:54 | 0:19:58 | |
There was a Jock picture, why did you never join in? | 0:19:58 | 0:20:02 | |
Because I was always the outside. When it hit the papers... | 0:20:02 | 0:20:06 | |
I got in the middle, but you'll love this, | 0:20:07 | 0:20:11 | |
the best one is in the bar at Cameron House, | 0:20:11 | 0:20:14 | |
there's 50 great Scotsman, the good thing is you're not in it. | 0:20:14 | 0:20:18 | |
Anyway, Janet comes back to me and says, "50 great Scots, | 0:20:18 | 0:20:23 | |
"you're in the picture." I'm like, "Am I?" | 0:20:23 | 0:20:26 | |
So anyway I go to the bar | 0:20:26 | 0:20:29 | |
and I'm looking everywhere thinking to myself, I'm not in it. | 0:20:29 | 0:20:33 | |
And then eventually see a picture of him, | 0:20:33 | 0:20:36 | |
European cup final in Rome | 0:20:36 | 0:20:39 | |
and my right ear is in it. | 0:20:39 | 0:20:41 | |
You can tell it's my ear, just my ear. | 0:20:41 | 0:20:45 | |
50 great Scots and Al's ear. | 0:20:45 | 0:20:48 | |
That ear-a! | 0:20:49 | 0:20:52 | |
To have played with two of the great players was fantastic, | 0:20:52 | 0:20:56 | |
but they were all great players. | 0:20:56 | 0:20:58 | |
Every one of them that played on that team was exceptional. | 0:20:58 | 0:21:01 | |
# Walk on | 0:21:04 | 0:21:07 | |
# Walk on... # | 0:21:07 | 0:21:09 | |
It's strange how this one worked out. Two of that great team who | 0:21:09 | 0:21:13 | |
played together and both walked on into punditry. | 0:21:13 | 0:21:16 | |
Still talking a great game. | 0:21:16 | 0:21:19 | |
-It makes you feel invincible. -Every single time? | 0:21:27 | 0:21:30 | |
And then down and out. | 0:21:30 | 0:21:32 | |
You can hear the noise. Crescendo noise greeting you. | 0:21:32 | 0:21:35 | |
Come on then. I've heard so much about this goal that never was. | 0:21:51 | 0:21:54 | |
You say it was. | 0:21:54 | 0:21:55 | |
Man United are top of the table, | 0:21:55 | 0:21:57 | |
a point in front of Liverpool. Liverpool have a game in hand. | 0:21:57 | 0:22:00 | |
It's 0-0, 21 minutes, 8 seconds into the match and I play it | 0:22:00 | 0:22:03 | |
-to Souness. Graeme gets it. -No opposition? | 0:22:03 | 0:22:07 | |
Everyone's moving, the whole thing has opened up and I get to here | 0:22:07 | 0:22:12 | |
and I kept going and Ray Kennedy is edge of the box. | 0:22:12 | 0:22:16 | |
I played it into his feet, Ray Kennedy has played it back | 0:22:16 | 0:22:21 | |
-to about 22 yards. -22 exactly? -22 yards, three inches. | 0:22:21 | 0:22:26 | |
And I've just put my foot back, hit through it | 0:22:26 | 0:22:29 | |
and pinged it into the bottom corner. | 0:22:29 | 0:22:31 | |
Did you look where Gary Bailey was? | 0:22:31 | 0:22:34 | |
No, I just hit it on the right-hand side. | 0:22:34 | 0:22:37 | |
A centreback has played 2-1-2s and run 65 yards | 0:22:37 | 0:22:40 | |
and buried it in the corner and not one camera in the ground. | 0:22:40 | 0:22:45 | |
-Not one camera. -You would love to see the analysis on this. | 0:22:45 | 0:22:48 | |
Nobody has ever seen that goal. But the big thing there is... | 0:22:48 | 0:22:51 | |
Nobody ever believes me when I tell that story. | 0:22:52 | 0:22:54 | |
I'm finding it difficult, I must admit. | 0:22:54 | 0:22:57 | |
Honestly, one of the greatest goals ever scored here. Allegedly. | 0:22:57 | 0:23:02 | |
Dalglish is in here. Yes! | 0:23:02 | 0:23:05 | |
1986. Alan is now Liverpool captain and Merseyside rules. | 0:23:05 | 0:23:10 | |
Liverpool and Everton going toe to toe in the league and in the cup | 0:23:10 | 0:23:14 | |
-all the way to Wembley. -Is this three? It is! | 0:23:14 | 0:23:18 | |
1986, Kenny was the manager. | 0:23:18 | 0:23:20 | |
-Great memories for you, of course. -Obviously not. | 0:23:20 | 0:23:24 | |
I was at Everton at that stage and three times we played you | 0:23:24 | 0:23:28 | |
-and I scored in all three games. -What did you win that season? | 0:23:28 | 0:23:31 | |
-Precisely nothing. -Good. | 0:23:31 | 0:23:33 | |
It was also a minor miracle because you were completely outplayed for most of it! | 0:23:33 | 0:23:37 | |
-Well, I make a mistake in that game. -No, I outfoxed you. | 0:23:39 | 0:23:43 | |
Lineker through the centre. Lineker for Everton. Saved by Grobbelaar. | 0:23:44 | 0:23:49 | |
Lineker! 1-0 to Everton. | 0:23:49 | 0:23:52 | |
And who else but Gary Lineker? | 0:23:53 | 0:23:56 | |
For the first time in my life, I'm like that... | 0:23:56 | 0:23:58 | |
If my head had been right that day, | 0:24:00 | 0:24:02 | |
if you had been Usain Bolt you wouldn't have scored. | 0:24:02 | 0:24:06 | |
But everything is about the results, as you well know. | 0:24:06 | 0:24:09 | |
It was a great day just seeing the sea of blue and red together. | 0:24:09 | 0:24:13 | |
It was fantastic going to Wembley and the Evertonians mixing with the Liverpudlians. | 0:24:13 | 0:24:18 | |
It was a great example to the world, I thought, about how | 0:24:18 | 0:24:23 | |
a city could come together. | 0:24:23 | 0:24:25 | |
Never before have they won the league and cup double | 0:24:29 | 0:24:32 | |
and now the moment is here. | 0:24:32 | 0:24:35 | |
What a consolation for Alan Hansen in the week | 0:24:37 | 0:24:39 | |
he was left out of the Scotland World Cup party. | 0:24:39 | 0:24:42 | |
Four in the area. Lineker! | 0:24:47 | 0:24:50 | |
For me, the '86 World Cup would work out OK. | 0:24:50 | 0:24:54 | |
But for Alan, it was an immense disappointment. | 0:24:54 | 0:24:57 | |
He was left out of the Scotland squad by a certain Alex Ferguson. | 0:24:59 | 0:25:03 | |
It never entered my head that there was a possibility | 0:25:05 | 0:25:08 | |
I was going to be left out. | 0:25:08 | 0:25:10 | |
So, we played on the Sunday | 0:25:10 | 0:25:13 | |
and Alec Ferguson was the manager of the home Scots. | 0:25:13 | 0:25:17 | |
And he never said a word to me. | 0:25:17 | 0:25:20 | |
I thought, that's unusual, because Alec always comes | 0:25:20 | 0:25:23 | |
and talk to everybody | 0:25:23 | 0:25:25 | |
and I thought, there's something strange here but still couldn't | 0:25:25 | 0:25:31 | |
believe there was any remote possibility I would be left out. | 0:25:31 | 0:25:34 | |
And then the dreaded phone call came on the Wednesday. | 0:25:34 | 0:25:36 | |
But even then, when he told me, it never really sunk in. | 0:25:36 | 0:25:39 | |
It was only when the reports started to come back from | 0:25:39 | 0:25:43 | |
the training pitch at Santa Fe | 0:25:43 | 0:25:45 | |
and onto Mexico that I felt really dejected. | 0:25:45 | 0:25:49 | |
People keep saying, why do I hate Manchester United so much? | 0:25:49 | 0:25:53 | |
And I would say, Alex Ferguson, | 0:25:53 | 0:25:55 | |
because he didn't pick Alan for the World Cup. | 0:25:55 | 0:25:58 | |
And it's harboured with us all these years | 0:25:58 | 0:26:01 | |
because he was at the peak of his form, peak of his career | 0:26:01 | 0:26:06 | |
and he took the two Aberdeen players because he had been manager at Aberdeen. | 0:26:06 | 0:26:12 | |
Al never said too much but he was gutted. | 0:26:12 | 0:26:14 | |
I just said, "I have to accept your decision. | 0:26:14 | 0:26:16 | |
"You pick the team and the squad of players and you're the manager." | 0:26:16 | 0:26:19 | |
And I just said I wish you all the best. | 0:26:19 | 0:26:21 | |
Liverpool have won the double. | 0:26:23 | 0:26:25 | |
If you had said to me, "Do you want to be a double-winning captain | 0:26:25 | 0:26:30 | |
"or go to the World Cup?" you would probably say double-winning | 0:26:30 | 0:26:33 | |
captain, so it more than made up for the lack of Scottish caps but what | 0:26:33 | 0:26:37 | |
I achieved at Liverpool. | 0:26:37 | 0:26:39 | |
So, I've no regrets about that in the slightest. | 0:26:39 | 0:26:42 | |
You had lots of great times, lots of success on the field, | 0:26:42 | 0:26:45 | |
you also lived through two enormous disasters, famously, Heysel in '85. | 0:26:45 | 0:26:52 | |
I am afraid the news is very bad from Brussels. | 0:26:56 | 0:26:58 | |
Hooliganism has struck again and I'm afraid | 0:26:58 | 0:27:01 | |
the scenes are as bad as anything we have seen for a long, long time. | 0:27:01 | 0:27:05 | |
An evening in late May 1985. | 0:27:05 | 0:27:09 | |
39 people were about to die in the old Heysel Stadium in Brussels. | 0:27:09 | 0:27:14 | |
My father had gone to the three previous European Cup finals. | 0:27:15 | 0:27:19 | |
Wembley was fine. Paris, if you are a mile away from the ground and didn't have a ticket, | 0:27:19 | 0:27:24 | |
they were hitting you on the head - Rome was the same. | 0:27:24 | 0:27:27 | |
Heysel, every man and their dog was getting in there. | 0:27:27 | 0:27:31 | |
My dad went in with a ticket. | 0:27:31 | 0:27:34 | |
There was nobody at the turnstiles. | 0:27:34 | 0:27:37 | |
We got on the pitch at 5:50pm to go to the Liverpool fans, | 0:27:39 | 0:27:44 | |
there's a kids' game on the pitch. We had to go on the pitch to go | 0:27:44 | 0:27:48 | |
to them because they had thrown missiles at us, | 0:27:48 | 0:27:50 | |
the Juventus supporters, so I picked one up | 0:27:50 | 0:27:53 | |
and I remember saying to Alan Kennedy, "Nobody brings | 0:27:53 | 0:27:56 | |
"that into the stadium" and he says, "That IS the stadium." | 0:27:56 | 0:28:00 | |
It was crumbling about them. We are in the dressing room, we're ready to go, | 0:28:00 | 0:28:05 | |
they come and say, "There's a major problem," um... | 0:28:05 | 0:28:09 | |
"And the game has been put back." | 0:28:09 | 0:28:11 | |
And it was the pressure of movement down towards the running track which | 0:28:11 | 0:28:14 | |
resulted in the wall giving way | 0:28:14 | 0:28:16 | |
and people being pinned underneath it. | 0:28:16 | 0:28:21 | |
Do you think it should have been played? | 0:28:23 | 0:28:25 | |
The reason they played the game was they thought there would be | 0:28:25 | 0:28:28 | |
more trouble if they didn't play the game. I go on the pitch and... | 0:28:28 | 0:28:32 | |
I don't know how many were dead at the time, you only focus on one | 0:28:32 | 0:28:35 | |
-thing, that's the game. -Still. | 0:28:35 | 0:28:38 | |
Even that. You are only focused on one thing. It's the game. | 0:28:38 | 0:28:41 | |
You focus on the game, playing the game and then you | 0:28:41 | 0:28:45 | |
come into the dressing room afterwards and it is horrific. | 0:28:45 | 0:28:48 | |
And it's like so sad, | 0:28:48 | 0:28:50 | |
but we come home the next day. | 0:28:50 | 0:28:53 | |
And then when you're home, you are removed from it. | 0:28:53 | 0:28:57 | |
The Liverpool squad arrived home after the most disastrous | 0:28:57 | 0:29:00 | |
European tie in history to more media attention than had | 0:29:00 | 0:29:03 | |
they won the cup for keeps in front of peaceful crowds. | 0:29:03 | 0:29:07 | |
Flags were flying at half-mast out of respect for the dead, | 0:29:07 | 0:29:10 | |
and it seemed in shame as well. | 0:29:10 | 0:29:12 | |
Could football ever go more tragically wrong then this? | 0:29:15 | 0:29:19 | |
In very different circumstances, it could. | 0:29:20 | 0:29:23 | |
Hillsborough was totally different, | 0:29:25 | 0:29:27 | |
because we were still right in the middle. | 0:29:27 | 0:29:29 | |
Four years later, FA Cup semifinal day. | 0:29:30 | 0:29:35 | |
Liverpool against Nottingham Forest at Hillsborough in Sheffield. | 0:29:35 | 0:29:38 | |
A huge crowd. Everyone looking forward to the match. | 0:29:40 | 0:29:44 | |
Everybody bar one. | 0:29:44 | 0:29:46 | |
I played one reserve game in nine months. | 0:29:47 | 0:29:50 | |
Erm... There was a virus the night before. | 0:29:50 | 0:29:53 | |
Kenny pulls me, he says, "You have to play." | 0:29:53 | 0:29:56 | |
I say, "I don't want to play." | 0:29:56 | 0:29:57 | |
I said, "I ain't ready. I've only played..." | 0:29:57 | 0:30:00 | |
He said, "You're playing." | 0:30:00 | 0:30:02 | |
How do you argue with Dalglish? Anyway, I go on the pitch... | 0:30:02 | 0:30:06 | |
Again, you focus on the game. You can't see the crowd... | 0:30:06 | 0:30:09 | |
-Could you tell there was something happening at all? -No. | 0:30:09 | 0:30:13 | |
The first inclination I got was two guys come on the pitch | 0:30:13 | 0:30:16 | |
and I go to them right away, "You'll get us in trouble here." | 0:30:16 | 0:30:19 | |
And the guy looks at me and says... | 0:30:19 | 0:30:21 | |
You could tell the sadness in his eyes that... | 0:30:21 | 0:30:25 | |
he wasn't make it up. He said, "Al, there's people dying in there." | 0:30:25 | 0:30:29 | |
-We got off the pitch... -The game was stopped. | 0:30:32 | 0:30:35 | |
The game was stopped and then somebody comes in and says, | 0:30:35 | 0:30:37 | |
"18 dead." And then it was 32 and then the numbers went up. | 0:30:37 | 0:30:41 | |
It's a sense of shock. | 0:30:41 | 0:30:43 | |
And then you go upstairs and you see the girls... | 0:30:43 | 0:30:45 | |
and they're crying their eyes out. They're watching... | 0:30:45 | 0:30:49 | |
coverage of the events unfolding. | 0:30:49 | 0:30:51 | |
But you still never really knew the enormity of what had happened. | 0:30:53 | 0:30:57 | |
It's been a black day for football. | 0:30:58 | 0:30:59 | |
On a sunny afternoon at Hillsborough, Sheffield, | 0:30:59 | 0:31:02 | |
no fewer than 93 football supporters died. | 0:31:02 | 0:31:05 | |
On a day of such momentous tragedy, | 0:31:05 | 0:31:07 | |
our sympathies go to the families of those concerned. | 0:31:07 | 0:31:10 | |
It wasn't until the next day we went to Anfield and we see, | 0:31:12 | 0:31:16 | |
on the Kop, flowers like you'll never believe, | 0:31:16 | 0:31:18 | |
and it just suddenly hits you. That... | 0:31:18 | 0:31:22 | |
this is much, much bigger... | 0:31:22 | 0:31:24 | |
Much a bigger disaster than you ever thought. | 0:31:24 | 0:31:26 | |
What was it like being part of the club at that time and under...? | 0:31:29 | 0:31:34 | |
It was harrowing. It was harrowing. | 0:31:34 | 0:31:36 | |
I mean, the next day, we go to the hospital. | 0:31:36 | 0:31:40 | |
There is a mother, who has a son that's on a life support machine | 0:31:41 | 0:31:46 | |
and they're going to turn it off. | 0:31:46 | 0:31:48 | |
She wants you to come and speak to the boy. | 0:31:48 | 0:31:50 | |
HE SCOFFS | 0:31:50 | 0:31:52 | |
Well, I get up there and the kid's... Adam's eight at the time. | 0:31:52 | 0:31:57 | |
And I look at the mother and the mother is like... | 0:31:57 | 0:31:59 | |
She was really strong for the son. And... | 0:31:59 | 0:32:03 | |
You say a few words... | 0:32:06 | 0:32:07 | |
They had me in the corner in bits. | 0:32:07 | 0:32:09 | |
I mean, I'm crying my eyes out in the corner. Erm... | 0:32:09 | 0:32:12 | |
And then-then we get back and Janet says to me, "What about the mother? | 0:32:12 | 0:32:17 | |
"You're crying your eyes out, but you're all right? | 0:32:17 | 0:32:19 | |
"What about the mother?" You lose track of... | 0:32:19 | 0:32:22 | |
You're maybe thinking about yourself and then you suddenly think, | 0:32:22 | 0:32:26 | |
"What about the families?" For the rest of their lives... | 0:32:26 | 0:32:29 | |
Erm... The emptiness is going to be there. | 0:32:29 | 0:32:33 | |
Don't tell me you can understand what they're feeling | 0:32:33 | 0:32:35 | |
because you haven't been... | 0:32:35 | 0:32:37 | |
There's not a chance that you can understand how they're feeling, | 0:32:37 | 0:32:40 | |
and they've been feeling it for 25 years. Erm... | 0:32:40 | 0:32:43 | |
And then, you know, Kenny and Marina were phenomenal. | 0:32:43 | 0:32:45 | |
They set up this thing in the players' lounge. | 0:32:45 | 0:32:48 | |
We were going in there...and we'd be coming out in tears every time. | 0:32:48 | 0:32:51 | |
-You went to a lot of the funerals... -Well, I went to about 12 and... | 0:32:53 | 0:32:56 | |
I remember saying to Janet after the first one, "This will get better." | 0:32:56 | 0:33:00 | |
It never. It got worse. | 0:33:00 | 0:33:02 | |
Has it always lived with you? | 0:33:05 | 0:33:08 | |
It's... When it's brought up, you will think about it and it's like... | 0:33:08 | 0:33:11 | |
It is distressing. | 0:33:11 | 0:33:14 | |
I mean, just the grief. The grief and the emptiness, | 0:33:14 | 0:33:18 | |
and just the sadness. | 0:33:18 | 0:33:20 | |
The sadness. It's a football match. 96 people at a football match. | 0:33:20 | 0:33:24 | |
You never know if you're doing the right thing, | 0:33:26 | 0:33:29 | |
like, talking about it on television. | 0:33:29 | 0:33:30 | |
Are you doing the right thing? Do they want you to speak about it? | 0:33:30 | 0:33:33 | |
Did they want you to play on? | 0:33:33 | 0:33:35 | |
I mean, I don't think you could ever get a consensus of... | 0:33:35 | 0:33:38 | |
Of what they wanted. | 0:33:38 | 0:33:39 | |
You can't get a consensus of what's right and what's wrong. | 0:33:39 | 0:33:42 | |
You just do what you think...is for the best. | 0:33:42 | 0:33:45 | |
# You'll never walk... # | 0:33:45 | 0:33:51 | |
25 years on, Hillsborough is still with us, | 0:33:51 | 0:33:54 | |
still resolving the questions about what happened | 0:33:54 | 0:33:57 | |
at a football match a quarter of a century ago. | 0:33:57 | 0:34:00 | |
18 months or so after that, | 0:34:03 | 0:34:04 | |
Kenny Dalglish quit as manager of Liverpool. | 0:34:04 | 0:34:07 | |
Do you think Hillsborough was anything to do with it? | 0:34:07 | 0:34:09 | |
-Hillsborough took its toll on Kenny. -Did he confide in you? | 0:34:09 | 0:34:12 | |
He confided in me in virtually everything football-wise. | 0:34:12 | 0:34:15 | |
He told me in '85, in the February, | 0:34:15 | 0:34:17 | |
that he was becoming the new manager of Liverpool. | 0:34:17 | 0:34:21 | |
But this time he didn't. | 0:34:21 | 0:34:22 | |
He just came into the dressing room and said, "I'm leaving." | 0:34:22 | 0:34:25 | |
I went, "What?" | 0:34:25 | 0:34:26 | |
I just felt that... | 0:34:26 | 0:34:28 | |
I've gone far enough and I didn't think I could delay it any longer. | 0:34:29 | 0:34:33 | |
-NEWS PRESENTER: -Having played over 500 games for Liverpool, | 0:34:33 | 0:34:36 | |
and with a record eight Championship medals, | 0:34:36 | 0:34:38 | |
Alan Hansen is strongly tipped to now join the management team | 0:34:38 | 0:34:41 | |
and take his place in the famous boot room, | 0:34:41 | 0:34:44 | |
and maybe in the top job. | 0:34:44 | 0:34:45 | |
I came back to the training ground, I'm 64 on to get the job. | 0:34:45 | 0:34:48 | |
So I then go to the chief executive Peter Robinson, I said, | 0:34:48 | 0:34:51 | |
"Am I in the frame for the job?" He said, "Very much so." | 0:34:51 | 0:34:53 | |
I said, "Well, I don't want it." | 0:34:53 | 0:34:55 | |
He's a Liverpool legend and I think he thought | 0:34:55 | 0:34:58 | |
if he did a bad job at management he could lose all that. | 0:34:58 | 0:35:01 | |
Am I right in saying that you might have kidded the Liverpool | 0:35:01 | 0:35:04 | |
players on that you did get the job? | 0:35:04 | 0:35:05 | |
What happened was Liverpool had been beaten at Luton on the Saturday, | 0:35:05 | 0:35:09 | |
and they had been beaten again by Everton. | 0:35:09 | 0:35:11 | |
So I went to Ronnie, who was acting manager, I said, | 0:35:11 | 0:35:13 | |
"Look, they've always taken the mickey in the dressing room. | 0:35:13 | 0:35:16 | |
"Why don't I go in?" And I gave them the biggest spiel of all time. | 0:35:16 | 0:35:18 | |
He said, "I've got some news. I'm taking over from Kenny." | 0:35:18 | 0:35:22 | |
I said, "Whoa! This is amazing." We never saw him as a manager. | 0:35:22 | 0:35:24 | |
He said, "There'll be a lot of changes." | 0:35:24 | 0:35:26 | |
He said, "Steve Nichol, there will be no more going to the pub. | 0:35:26 | 0:35:29 | |
"No more going to the Albert. Those days are over. | 0:35:29 | 0:35:31 | |
"John Barnes, you, I know you're partial to a Kentucky Fried Chicken. | 0:35:31 | 0:35:34 | |
"There'll be no more of that." And he went round the whole team, | 0:35:34 | 0:35:37 | |
and they were all looking at him, thinking, | 0:35:37 | 0:35:39 | |
"What's he doing? I can't believe it." | 0:35:39 | 0:35:41 | |
And then, at the end, the best bit is, | 0:35:41 | 0:35:42 | |
"What we're going to do, we're going to video the game on Saturday, | 0:35:42 | 0:35:45 | |
"have a little bit of light lunch on Sunday and go through it." | 0:35:45 | 0:35:48 | |
So, by that time, they were like that. | 0:35:48 | 0:35:50 | |
He walks out and all the players, they start whispering, | 0:35:50 | 0:35:52 | |
"We liked Alan until he did this." | 0:35:52 | 0:35:54 | |
I go down to the players' lounge. | 0:35:54 | 0:35:56 | |
There's two Irish kids have burst out the reserve team dressing room | 0:35:56 | 0:35:59 | |
and this little kid gets on the phone to Dublin, and he says, | 0:35:59 | 0:36:02 | |
"Get as much money as you possibly can on Alan Hansen to be | 0:36:02 | 0:36:05 | |
"the next Liverpool manager." | 0:36:05 | 0:36:06 | |
So I've got to put an end to it. I've got the phone down, went back to... | 0:36:06 | 0:36:10 | |
And all I can hear is, "Hansen's a..." | 0:36:10 | 0:36:13 | |
He came back in about a minute later. He said, "Not really, guys. | 0:36:13 | 0:36:16 | |
"I just want to say I'm retiring." | 0:36:16 | 0:36:17 | |
But it was just typical Alan Hansen. He always had a joke. | 0:36:17 | 0:36:20 | |
The first person I see is John Barnes and he went...like that. | 0:36:20 | 0:36:23 | |
I said, "Boys, I'm only kidding. I'm leaving." | 0:36:23 | 0:36:25 | |
I thought Alan Hansen was taking over after Kenny had left | 0:36:25 | 0:36:28 | |
because Alan's knowledge of football is fantastic. | 0:36:28 | 0:36:30 | |
-PRESENTER: -..the biggest cheer of the ceremony, | 0:36:31 | 0:36:34 | |
holding up the league championship trophy. | 0:36:34 | 0:36:36 | |
I suppose a telltale sign is the fact that, being such | 0:36:36 | 0:36:39 | |
a nervous player and hating the pressure | 0:36:39 | 0:36:42 | |
of having to play, imagine... | 0:36:42 | 0:36:44 | |
Because being a manager is ten times worse. | 0:36:44 | 0:36:46 | |
Bill Shankly, Kenny Dalglish, Graeme Souness - | 0:36:48 | 0:36:53 | |
Scottish managers of Liverpool. | 0:36:53 | 0:36:55 | |
So... | 0:36:55 | 0:36:57 | |
Why did you never have a go at the management? | 0:36:57 | 0:36:59 | |
I wanted to keep my hair relatively black. | 0:36:59 | 0:37:02 | |
-You've no done that either. -That's gone as well. | 0:37:02 | 0:37:05 | |
I just never fancied it. | 0:37:05 | 0:37:07 | |
Here, by the way, let me tell you, | 0:37:07 | 0:37:09 | |
he wanted to keep his hair relatively black. | 0:37:09 | 0:37:13 | |
I think supplemented it. | 0:37:13 | 0:37:15 | |
Never at any stage. No tint whatsoever. | 0:37:15 | 0:37:18 | |
And when you went into television, | 0:37:18 | 0:37:20 | |
which is something I've done about ten years after you, | 0:37:20 | 0:37:23 | |
-was that something you always fancied? -No, never. | 0:37:23 | 0:37:26 | |
I fell into it. I mean, absolutely fell into it. | 0:37:26 | 0:37:29 | |
You said before... | 0:37:29 | 0:37:31 | |
When you were playing, you were nervous in the dressing room, | 0:37:31 | 0:37:34 | |
which we never picked up on, did we? | 0:37:34 | 0:37:36 | |
-I'm a worrier. I'm a worrier. -He was flustered. | 0:37:36 | 0:37:40 | |
When you used to bring it out from the back... | 0:37:40 | 0:37:43 | |
ALL TALK OVER EACH OTHER | 0:37:43 | 0:37:45 | |
Of, if he got into the opposing penalty box, | 0:37:45 | 0:37:50 | |
he was really flustered. | 0:37:50 | 0:37:52 | |
He had the equivalent of the yips in golf. | 0:37:52 | 0:37:54 | |
-He couldn't get his right leg back. -..my right leg back to hit it. | 0:37:54 | 0:37:57 | |
I'm telling you! | 0:37:57 | 0:37:59 | |
-PRESENTER: -He saw the gap, too, beautifully. | 0:37:59 | 0:38:03 | |
Sold a lovely dummy... | 0:38:03 | 0:38:04 | |
and Fairclough puts it in! | 0:38:04 | 0:38:06 | |
-You froze. -Absolutely. I froze. It was worse than that. | 0:38:06 | 0:38:08 | |
Do you get a cold sweat on or...? | 0:38:08 | 0:38:10 | |
No, no. What I used to do, I used to dummy myself. | 0:38:10 | 0:38:12 | |
I used to go like that and then... He'd be running in. He'd be... | 0:38:12 | 0:38:15 | |
-PRESENTER: -United coming out for the offside. | 0:38:17 | 0:38:19 | |
And although Hansen was doing the right thing | 0:38:19 | 0:38:22 | |
and had indeed has been waved on by Pat Partridge, | 0:38:22 | 0:38:25 | |
he will now score. | 0:38:25 | 0:38:26 | |
It's not as if he'd be critical of you if you didn't pass to him. | 0:38:30 | 0:38:33 | |
No, no, no. He'd just blame me. | 0:38:33 | 0:38:35 | |
He'd just blame me. "Al, you're rubbish." | 0:38:35 | 0:38:37 | |
That's what you used to say, "Al, you're rubbish." | 0:38:37 | 0:38:40 | |
But I think that's maybe where your inferiority complex, | 0:38:40 | 0:38:43 | |
-and mine, came from. -Kenny. | 0:38:43 | 0:38:46 | |
-Absolutely. -Abusing us all the time. -Over the years. | 0:38:46 | 0:38:49 | |
By the way, let me tell you, I had plenty of ammunition. | 0:38:49 | 0:38:52 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:38:52 | 0:38:54 | |
I had realised at the time that, as a player, | 0:38:54 | 0:38:57 | |
if I was feeling the tension as much as I did, | 0:38:57 | 0:38:59 | |
to become a manager... | 0:38:59 | 0:39:01 | |
You can multiply that by 100. | 0:39:01 | 0:39:03 | |
I think Alan could have made a good manager. | 0:39:03 | 0:39:06 | |
His knowledge of the game, the way he puts himself over, | 0:39:06 | 0:39:08 | |
is absolutely first class. | 0:39:08 | 0:39:11 | |
He is one of the people that... | 0:39:11 | 0:39:13 | |
When I sit down at home and watch Match of the Day, | 0:39:13 | 0:39:16 | |
he is one that I will sit down and listen to. | 0:39:16 | 0:39:18 | |
So you finished playing, you don't want to be a manager... | 0:39:20 | 0:39:23 | |
How quickly did you decide to go into television? | 0:39:23 | 0:39:26 | |
Well, Janet said to me, "What are you going to do?" | 0:39:26 | 0:39:28 | |
And I said, "Well, trust me, that phone will never stop ringing", | 0:39:28 | 0:39:31 | |
which was the most naive thing I've ever said in my life | 0:39:31 | 0:39:34 | |
because I'm qualified to do nothing. | 0:39:34 | 0:39:35 | |
I mean, he played football, and it's such a short career... | 0:39:35 | 0:39:41 | |
Suddenly it's over and what are you going to do? | 0:39:41 | 0:39:44 | |
I mean, there's only so many managers' jobs and coaching jobs | 0:39:44 | 0:39:47 | |
that Alan didn't really know what he was going to do. | 0:39:47 | 0:39:49 | |
So after three months, she said to me, | 0:39:49 | 0:39:51 | |
"Remember that phone that was never going to stop ringing? | 0:39:51 | 0:39:54 | |
"It's not rung once." So I had to get off my backside... | 0:39:54 | 0:39:57 | |
and I went to BSkyB, who were doing Classic Cup Finals. | 0:39:57 | 0:40:01 | |
The phone rang and it was a certain Alan Hansen saying, | 0:40:01 | 0:40:05 | |
"How do I get into television punditry?" | 0:40:05 | 0:40:08 | |
And he came and did a few jobs for us and was brilliant and, obviously, | 0:40:08 | 0:40:13 | |
the rest is history. | 0:40:13 | 0:40:15 | |
Alan did a little bit of radio work, and then did some work for Sky, | 0:40:15 | 0:40:19 | |
and then, obviously, with the BBC. | 0:40:19 | 0:40:22 | |
But it wasn't really a life plan of what he was going to do. | 0:40:22 | 0:40:27 | |
I was doing the radio, I was doing a bit on Sky and a bit on television. | 0:40:27 | 0:40:30 | |
It was a great grounding for Match of the Day. | 0:40:30 | 0:40:33 | |
Good evening. The Premiership season is under way again. | 0:40:35 | 0:40:38 | |
Just another 37 weeks to go. | 0:40:38 | 0:40:40 | |
1992, a time to be daring. | 0:40:41 | 0:40:44 | |
Who might lead the way in this new age of analysing | 0:40:45 | 0:40:48 | |
and offering opinions? | 0:40:48 | 0:40:50 | |
We just got Match of the Day back after a four-year absence | 0:40:51 | 0:40:55 | |
and everybody was very excited. | 0:40:55 | 0:40:58 | |
Desmond Lyman was in his pomp at that time. | 0:40:58 | 0:41:01 | |
Good evening. I suppose it's back to the future tonight. | 0:41:01 | 0:41:03 | |
Match of the Day returning on a regular basis after | 0:41:03 | 0:41:05 | |
a gap of four seasons, and 28 years after the very first programme. | 0:41:05 | 0:41:09 | |
I don't remember. | 0:41:09 | 0:41:10 | |
Alan was a new boy, but they hit it off very quickly. | 0:41:10 | 0:41:13 | |
We'll be doing our best to be sharp up front and tight at the back. | 0:41:13 | 0:41:16 | |
They'd got the experience of Jimmy Hill, | 0:41:16 | 0:41:19 | |
who had done a lot of television jobs, | 0:41:19 | 0:41:21 | |
so it blended and worked very seamlessly from very early on. | 0:41:21 | 0:41:24 | |
Well, he tried to play a continental system with British players, | 0:41:24 | 0:41:28 | |
and I couldn't agree with that at all. | 0:41:28 | 0:41:31 | |
He's been very good and I'm glad he was left in the studio cos | 0:41:31 | 0:41:35 | |
I worked with him once on commentary | 0:41:35 | 0:41:37 | |
and I couldn't get a word in sideways. | 0:41:37 | 0:41:39 | |
I think, on Match of the Day, Alan created a genre whereby | 0:41:39 | 0:41:44 | |
he was able to control the excerpts he used | 0:41:44 | 0:41:47 | |
and make sense of what he said straight afterwards. | 0:41:47 | 0:41:50 | |
I think he fitted into the demands of the programme better than | 0:41:50 | 0:41:53 | |
anybody else I've seen. | 0:41:53 | 0:41:54 | |
That goal was a little bit reminiscent of Dalglish at his best. | 0:41:54 | 0:41:58 | |
He runs a bit quicker than Kenny did in his prime, mind you. | 0:41:58 | 0:42:00 | |
DES LAUGHS | 0:42:00 | 0:42:02 | |
He and I were completely different when we were watching games. | 0:42:02 | 0:42:05 | |
I watched it like a football punter, like, | 0:42:05 | 0:42:08 | |
the ball going from end to end... | 0:42:08 | 0:42:10 | |
but I couldn't see why this team were winning 3-0. | 0:42:10 | 0:42:13 | |
He could say, | 0:42:13 | 0:42:15 | |
"That midfield player has lost their midfield player, blah, blah, blah." | 0:42:15 | 0:42:21 | |
He would see it all and he could tell you why this team's three up. | 0:42:21 | 0:42:25 | |
If we say, "It's a brilliant goal", Hansen says, "No, defensive error." | 0:42:25 | 0:42:29 | |
Why do you think you became such a good pundit? | 0:42:29 | 0:42:33 | |
I worked with a lot of good people and Lynam was just the best. | 0:42:33 | 0:42:37 | |
I was fortunate to have him. | 0:42:37 | 0:42:38 | |
I couldn't believe how nervous he was. | 0:42:38 | 0:42:40 | |
Alan Hansen, this great star of football, | 0:42:40 | 0:42:42 | |
won the league championship untold times, | 0:42:42 | 0:42:44 | |
came on the show nervous as a cat. | 0:42:44 | 0:42:46 | |
Alan always had that brain that analyses things. | 0:42:46 | 0:42:49 | |
Des is really relaxed and laid back. | 0:42:49 | 0:42:52 | |
-The big conference is over. -HE LAUGHS | 0:42:52 | 0:42:54 | |
-Nothing to say. -We're going to have some football, apparently. | 0:42:54 | 0:42:57 | |
I think Des would have met him and thought, | 0:42:57 | 0:43:00 | |
"I can help this fella." | 0:43:00 | 0:43:02 | |
And the combination of the two then really worked. | 0:43:02 | 0:43:04 | |
I just think he's playing with so much confidence it's unbelievable. | 0:43:04 | 0:43:07 | |
We just weren't going to show the goals. | 0:43:07 | 0:43:09 | |
That's how it used to be. | 0:43:09 | 0:43:11 | |
I'd say to Desmond, "You want to get away from that | 0:43:11 | 0:43:13 | |
"because you'll have replays of the goals. | 0:43:13 | 0:43:15 | |
"You want to try and do something different." | 0:43:15 | 0:43:17 | |
This is classic centre forward play. | 0:43:17 | 0:43:19 | |
There's no way he should be able to get into the box from here. | 0:43:19 | 0:43:22 | |
But with strength and determination, and excess pace, | 0:43:22 | 0:43:25 | |
he gets away from Bart Williams and he just drags his shot wide. | 0:43:25 | 0:43:29 | |
Then we got a bit of recognition for what we were doing... | 0:43:29 | 0:43:33 | |
and never really looked back. | 0:43:33 | 0:43:35 | |
# You talk | 0:43:35 | 0:43:37 | |
# You talk a good game | 0:43:37 | 0:43:40 | |
# I wish I could talk the same... # | 0:43:40 | 0:43:42 | |
It helps if you've been a top class player and you've won a bit, | 0:43:44 | 0:43:47 | |
it helps if you're forthright, it helps if you can speak, | 0:43:47 | 0:43:50 | |
and it helps if you're going to speak your mind. | 0:43:50 | 0:43:53 | |
Well, it looks like it will be the goal of the season. | 0:43:53 | 0:43:55 | |
Obviously I'm going to find a flaw in it somewhere. | 0:43:55 | 0:43:58 | |
If Alan were to say, after a game, "Jamie Redknapp played well" | 0:43:58 | 0:44:01 | |
or, "Look at this from Jamie Redknapp", I was so happy. | 0:44:01 | 0:44:04 | |
That made me feel a million dollars | 0:44:04 | 0:44:06 | |
because it was a respect that you wanted as a... | 0:44:06 | 0:44:08 | |
It was an acknowledgment that you'd done well and... | 0:44:08 | 0:44:10 | |
And it come from someone like Alan Hansen. It meant so much. | 0:44:10 | 0:44:14 | |
Match of the Day is such an important show. | 0:44:14 | 0:44:16 | |
And you always felt when Alan Hansen spoke that that was the final word, | 0:44:16 | 0:44:19 | |
that that was the authority. | 0:44:19 | 0:44:21 | |
I grew up on him. He probably won't like me saying that, | 0:44:21 | 0:44:23 | |
you know, but... He did everything in the game and, obviously, | 0:44:23 | 0:44:27 | |
he gets his points across quite well. | 0:44:27 | 0:44:29 | |
And when he speaks people listen. | 0:44:29 | 0:44:32 | |
He had credibility when he finished his career | 0:44:32 | 0:44:34 | |
and he was able to deliver it very well, too. | 0:44:34 | 0:44:36 | |
That Scottish accent always helps. | 0:44:36 | 0:44:38 | |
The Hull defending is like the mother of all shockers. | 0:44:38 | 0:44:40 | |
It's the worst defending I've ever seen in my life...bar none. | 0:44:40 | 0:44:44 | |
There are certain ways of doing Match of the Day, | 0:44:44 | 0:44:46 | |
I've always been unorthodox. | 0:44:46 | 0:44:48 | |
I always wait until the final whistle and say, right, can you find...? | 0:44:48 | 0:44:53 | |
So, the guys have to spool through the tapes and they'll say, | 0:44:53 | 0:44:58 | |
when was it? I'll say, Well, it was between 15 minutes and 35, | 0:44:58 | 0:45:01 | |
which usually means it's 49. | 0:45:01 | 0:45:03 | |
That's a lot for them to be able to find this stuff. | 0:45:03 | 0:45:06 | |
But that's the way I've always done it. | 0:45:06 | 0:45:08 | |
Can we see that any stage, could we get that up? | 0:45:08 | 0:45:11 | |
Certain back players have always been in contact | 0:45:11 | 0:45:14 | |
so if the ball goes over the first one's head, | 0:45:14 | 0:45:16 | |
the second one is there to mop up and vice versa. | 0:45:16 | 0:45:18 | |
Is that why you and Lawro are so close together? | 0:45:18 | 0:45:21 | |
This is the closest we ever were, | 0:45:21 | 0:45:23 | |
I can tell you that much. Carry on. | 0:45:23 | 0:45:26 | |
I used to get between you! | 0:45:26 | 0:45:28 | |
In your dreams! | 0:45:28 | 0:45:29 | |
Lawro is a natural talker, so I think it was easier for him, | 0:45:29 | 0:45:33 | |
than for anybody else. | 0:45:33 | 0:45:35 | |
Shouldn't I be there and you be here? | 0:45:36 | 0:45:38 | |
I was always covering for you anyway. | 0:45:38 | 0:45:40 | |
Yeah, right! | 0:45:40 | 0:45:41 | |
COMMENTATOR: He's has got it away from Lawrenson. | 0:45:43 | 0:45:46 | |
Here's Crooks. Covered by Alan Hansen. | 0:45:46 | 0:45:48 | |
See, just like when we played. | 0:45:50 | 0:45:52 | |
They say, what was your relationship like as a player? | 0:45:52 | 0:45:55 | |
-I say, I just did what he told me to do. -It's called delegation. | 0:45:55 | 0:46:00 | |
As somebody said to me, you don't want to be heading it long-term. | 0:46:00 | 0:46:05 | |
I said Lawro, you head it. | 0:46:05 | 0:46:07 | |
Then somebody said to me, you don't want to be tackling. | 0:46:07 | 0:46:11 | |
Lawro, you tackle. Then someone said to me, you don't want to be running. | 0:46:11 | 0:46:14 | |
I said, Lawro, you run. | 0:46:14 | 0:46:17 | |
Very good at doing nothing, but then take the accolades! | 0:46:17 | 0:46:20 | |
Being a pundit is the same. | 0:46:25 | 0:46:27 | |
You do all the work but also, I'll give you the crap games | 0:46:27 | 0:46:30 | |
and I'll take the good games. That's fair. | 0:46:30 | 0:46:33 | |
-That is called delegation. -I've had 17 years of crap games. | 0:46:33 | 0:46:36 | |
Don't worry about that! | 0:46:36 | 0:46:37 | |
Do you member that day we did FA Cup Live? | 0:46:39 | 0:46:42 | |
-How did we ever get away with that? -I'll never forget that. | 0:46:42 | 0:46:45 | |
That was one of the great broadcasts of all time. | 0:46:45 | 0:46:48 | |
A little more homework than usual has been acquired by Alan Hansen | 0:46:48 | 0:46:51 | |
and Mark Lawrenson. | 0:46:51 | 0:46:53 | |
Mm, yes, definitely. | 0:46:53 | 0:46:54 | |
Do you concur with that? | 0:46:54 | 0:46:56 | |
Very much so. | 0:46:56 | 0:46:58 | |
After your homework, what have you concluded? | 0:46:58 | 0:47:01 | |
After you, Al. | 0:47:01 | 0:47:02 | |
Forget that, let's talk about... | 0:47:03 | 0:47:06 | |
It was that bad a game that we decided to have a bit of a spoof | 0:47:06 | 0:47:09 | |
where I ignore him, then you ignore him | 0:47:09 | 0:47:11 | |
then he'd come back to me and then we'd talk. | 0:47:11 | 0:47:13 | |
Remember they used to have that dressing room door | 0:47:13 | 0:47:15 | |
that went straight on to the street? | 0:47:15 | 0:47:17 | |
-Are you going to ask any question? -No, nothing at all. | 0:47:18 | 0:47:21 | |
I never heard the 60 seconds to go, 30 seconds to go, | 0:47:21 | 0:47:25 | |
or this is for real. | 0:47:25 | 0:47:26 | |
Is this for real? | 0:47:26 | 0:47:27 | |
This is obviously not for real. | 0:47:27 | 0:47:30 | |
Are we on the air?! | 0:47:32 | 0:47:33 | |
Yes, we're on-air. | 0:47:33 | 0:47:35 | |
Right, OK, then. | 0:47:35 | 0:47:36 | |
Tell the story. | 0:47:36 | 0:47:38 | |
The worst thing you can say, are we on-air? | 0:47:38 | 0:47:41 | |
That line back like that! | 0:47:41 | 0:47:43 | |
I heard Armstrong in the scanner saying, too right we're on-air! | 0:47:43 | 0:47:47 | |
I sort of jumped up! | 0:47:47 | 0:47:49 | |
How did we get away with that? | 0:47:51 | 0:47:53 | |
Before I became a pundit, I didn't like any pundits. | 0:47:53 | 0:47:57 | |
I always thought they never knew what they were talking about. | 0:47:57 | 0:48:00 | |
-Fowler was in the best position. -Jimmy, be quiet! | 0:48:00 | 0:48:02 | |
EXPLOSION | 0:48:04 | 0:48:05 | |
Jimmy, I thought I'm going to like him within five minutes. | 0:48:08 | 0:48:12 | |
In five minutes, I loved him. | 0:48:12 | 0:48:13 | |
Also, Collymore could break through the Spurs' defence. | 0:48:13 | 0:48:17 | |
Stop recording! | 0:48:19 | 0:48:21 | |
You won't get it better than that! | 0:48:25 | 0:48:27 | |
109 times? | 0:48:27 | 0:48:29 | |
The modern-day ones - Al has all the criteria. | 0:48:29 | 0:48:33 | |
Single minded, he knows the game inside out, a top-class player. | 0:48:33 | 0:48:37 | |
This is an old man's tackle. | 0:48:37 | 0:48:39 | |
That is just an old man trying to get back. | 0:48:39 | 0:48:41 | |
It is late and it is vicious | 0:48:41 | 0:48:43 | |
but apart from that, it was perfectly fair. | 0:48:43 | 0:48:45 | |
I always say to him, I finished his career, because I remember | 0:48:45 | 0:48:47 | |
running past him at Anfield when I was a young whippersnapper | 0:48:47 | 0:48:50 | |
at Southampton. | 0:48:50 | 0:48:52 | |
I told him it was time to pack in when I ran past him | 0:48:52 | 0:48:55 | |
because I wasn't the quickest. | 0:48:55 | 0:48:57 | |
You get into it and find, this is harder than I thought it was, | 0:48:57 | 0:49:00 | |
and then you become really good at it and that's what Al's done, | 0:49:00 | 0:49:02 | |
he's become really good at it. | 0:49:02 | 0:49:04 | |
He's normally just being nice, | 0:49:04 | 0:49:05 | |
I don't know what he'll say behind closed doors to his mates. | 0:49:05 | 0:49:08 | |
How can you complain when the ball ends up in the back of the net? | 0:49:08 | 0:49:10 | |
You stick to defence. | 0:49:10 | 0:49:12 | |
There's lots of good ones coming through. | 0:49:12 | 0:49:14 | |
Obviously Gary Neville has done extremely well at Sky. | 0:49:14 | 0:49:17 | |
I've always liked Jamie. | 0:49:17 | 0:49:20 | |
You could never do that, you're the problem all England players have, | 0:49:20 | 0:49:23 | |
coming inside, coming inside. | 0:49:23 | 0:49:25 | |
Graeme Souness. When I say he's coming through, | 0:49:25 | 0:49:28 | |
he's excellent as well. | 0:49:28 | 0:49:30 | |
There's a mixture. | 0:49:30 | 0:49:32 | |
There's one famous line, well, | 0:49:32 | 0:49:33 | |
many famous lines that you have uttered over the years, | 0:49:33 | 0:49:36 | |
but there's one in particular that always stands out, of course. | 0:49:36 | 0:49:40 | |
The opening day of the season, Manchester United, Aston Villa. | 0:49:40 | 0:49:43 | |
COMMENTATOR: Leicester have it here, Taylor scores! | 0:49:43 | 0:49:48 | |
Draper. | 0:49:50 | 0:49:51 | |
It's 2-0! | 0:49:52 | 0:49:54 | |
We've played just over 35 minutes. | 0:49:54 | 0:49:56 | |
It's in danger of becoming a real rout and already it's a scoreline | 0:50:00 | 0:50:05 | |
which asks serious questions of Manchester United. | 0:50:05 | 0:50:08 | |
-I blame you for that because you were on that night. -I was on that night. | 0:50:08 | 0:50:11 | |
You said to me, when Man United had been beaten by Aston Villa, | 0:50:11 | 0:50:15 | |
-a very similar line. -Going to blame me for it? | 0:50:15 | 0:50:17 | |
We had this thing with Bob Paisley who said to me, | 0:50:17 | 0:50:19 | |
experience was everything. | 0:50:19 | 0:50:21 | |
I thought, well, that's right, but I'll change it a bit. | 0:50:21 | 0:50:24 | |
I will never forget that moment. | 0:50:24 | 0:50:25 | |
He almost ruined my life that night, watching Match of the Day. | 0:50:25 | 0:50:29 | |
We'd just been beaten at Aston Villa and I came home | 0:50:29 | 0:50:31 | |
and watched it on the TV with my mum and dad. | 0:50:31 | 0:50:34 | |
Obviously, such a well-respected pundit, | 0:50:34 | 0:50:36 | |
when he says something, the country listens. | 0:50:36 | 0:50:39 | |
United were scarcely recognisable from the team we've known | 0:50:39 | 0:50:41 | |
over the last couple of seasons. What's going on, do you feel? | 0:50:41 | 0:50:44 | |
I think they've got problems, | 0:50:44 | 0:50:46 | |
I wouldn't say they've got major problems. | 0:50:46 | 0:50:48 | |
Obviously, three players have departed. | 0:50:48 | 0:50:50 | |
The trick is always, buy when you're strong. So he needs to buy players. | 0:50:50 | 0:50:53 | |
You can't win anything with kids. | 0:50:53 | 0:50:54 | |
When Sir Alex made that call to replace Kanchelskis, | 0:50:54 | 0:51:00 | |
Hughes and Ince, with the kids, we all thought he had lost the plot. | 0:51:00 | 0:51:05 | |
You just think, will it go right, will it be OK? | 0:51:07 | 0:51:11 | |
You have two believe in your ability as young players, | 0:51:11 | 0:51:14 | |
but we were going into the unknown, really, as a group. | 0:51:14 | 0:51:18 | |
COMMENTATOR: Giggs shoots, oh, that has settled it! | 0:51:18 | 0:51:21 | |
That was kind of a motivational theme throughout the season. | 0:51:21 | 0:51:26 | |
From that day onwards, we improved and went on to prove him wrong. | 0:51:26 | 0:51:29 | |
COMMENTATOR: Manchester United win the FA Carling Premiership! | 0:51:30 | 0:51:33 | |
I lied to those four or five kids. | 0:51:33 | 0:51:36 | |
With five kids, you'll never win anything, and he's right. | 0:51:36 | 0:51:38 | |
I would defend him on that comment, really. | 0:51:38 | 0:51:40 | |
We didn't win the league with kids. | 0:51:42 | 0:51:44 | |
We had Roy Keane, Bruce, Cantona, | 0:51:44 | 0:51:46 | |
Schmeichel were the critical people in that team. | 0:51:46 | 0:51:49 | |
Towards the end of the season when we needed carrying over the line, | 0:51:49 | 0:51:52 | |
it was the experienced players that really helped us | 0:51:52 | 0:51:54 | |
and delivered for us. | 0:51:54 | 0:51:55 | |
Since then, it is something we always joke about now | 0:51:55 | 0:51:58 | |
but at the time, he was, probably right in what he was saying. | 0:51:58 | 0:52:01 | |
To this day, I stand by that line. | 0:52:01 | 0:52:03 | |
How many times in your life have you seen a manager | 0:52:03 | 0:52:06 | |
pick experience before youth? It happens all the time. | 0:52:06 | 0:52:09 | |
The kids became superstars | 0:52:09 | 0:52:11 | |
but the superstars in that team were the Schmeichels and the Cantonas. | 0:52:11 | 0:52:15 | |
-You're still wriggling out of it? -It was a line that made me. | 0:52:15 | 0:52:19 | |
I was going to say, do you think that line was good for you | 0:52:19 | 0:52:21 | |
-or bad for you? -It was great for me. | 0:52:21 | 0:52:23 | |
Fantastic, everybody recognises the line. | 0:52:23 | 0:52:25 | |
You go to Euston or Heathrow and they will be shouting behind poles, | 0:52:25 | 0:52:29 | |
and also trying to do the accent. Nobody can do the accent. | 0:52:29 | 0:52:34 | |
-GARY LINEKER AS ALAN HANSEN: -That is absolutely diabolical defending. | 0:52:34 | 0:52:38 | |
-AS ALAN HANSEN: -Terrible defending, terrible defending. | 0:52:38 | 0:52:41 | |
They're all useless at doing the accent. | 0:52:41 | 0:52:43 | |
I've heard some people do you quite well. | 0:52:43 | 0:52:45 | |
Oh, hello, pal. | 0:52:45 | 0:52:46 | |
The defence was terrible. | 0:52:46 | 0:52:47 | |
It's like... MUMBLING | 0:52:47 | 0:52:49 | |
You cannot defend like that, | 0:52:49 | 0:52:50 | |
you've got to play higher up the field. | 0:52:50 | 0:52:52 | |
The lines were all over the place, absolutely woeful. | 0:52:52 | 0:52:55 | |
Absolutely shocking defending! | 0:52:55 | 0:52:58 | |
HE MUMBLES | 0:52:59 | 0:53:01 | |
Goal! Great goal! | 0:53:01 | 0:53:03 | |
That's rubbish actually, isn't it? | 0:53:03 | 0:53:05 | |
There's so many of your sayings | 0:53:05 | 0:53:07 | |
I've heard so many times over the years. | 0:53:07 | 0:53:09 | |
I have lots of them. | 0:53:09 | 0:53:10 | |
His passion, his precision! | 0:53:10 | 0:53:12 | |
-Effort, attitude and commitment is Kenny's. -Time and time again. | 0:53:12 | 0:53:15 | |
Indecision is final, is a good one I came up with. | 0:53:15 | 0:53:18 | |
-I thought of that myself. -Not a great combination. | 0:53:18 | 0:53:20 | |
It's not a great combination! | 0:53:20 | 0:53:23 | |
Obviously the shocking, unbelievable, terrible defending. | 0:53:23 | 0:53:26 | |
When was the last time I said diabolical on television? | 0:53:26 | 0:53:29 | |
I will bet it's about six years ago. | 0:53:29 | 0:53:31 | |
Also, the decision against them was diabolical, | 0:53:31 | 0:53:35 | |
never a penalty in a million years. | 0:53:35 | 0:53:36 | |
The other thing people are interested in | 0:53:36 | 0:53:38 | |
and I have looked at it for 20 years, the scar on the forehead. | 0:53:38 | 0:53:42 | |
-Why is that there? -I was playing volleyball. | 0:53:42 | 0:53:45 | |
We were playing in a youth club in Bridge of Allan. | 0:53:45 | 0:53:47 | |
I missed the bus, I see an opening and I think it's a door. | 0:53:47 | 0:53:51 | |
He went through the glass window. | 0:53:51 | 0:53:53 | |
The sun was shining and he never saw it, he went right through it. | 0:53:53 | 0:53:57 | |
I am lying there, I don't know I've hit it, | 0:53:57 | 0:53:59 | |
I don't know the blood's coming out like that, I don't know you can die. | 0:53:59 | 0:54:03 | |
The first person I see is my brother. who says... | 0:54:03 | 0:54:06 | |
Brain of Britain! | 0:54:06 | 0:54:08 | |
-That's a fair comment. -Three people had hit it that day. | 0:54:08 | 0:54:11 | |
I was the only person that had gone through it. | 0:54:11 | 0:54:14 | |
We sued the sports centre. | 0:54:14 | 0:54:15 | |
It went to the court case | 0:54:17 | 0:54:19 | |
and Alan in his wisdom the day before the court case | 0:54:19 | 0:54:22 | |
because he had had his hair down the day before it | 0:54:22 | 0:54:25 | |
he had his hair swept back, so the judge said, | 0:54:25 | 0:54:29 | |
it doesn't seem to bother you too much, this scar, | 0:54:29 | 0:54:32 | |
because you've got your hair swept back. | 0:54:32 | 0:54:34 | |
So he got a few bob, he didn't get as much as he should have. | 0:54:34 | 0:54:38 | |
Brain of Britain! | 0:54:38 | 0:54:39 | |
Maybe not, but give him a break. The brain of punditry. | 0:54:41 | 0:54:46 | |
For 22 years, the king of the pundits. | 0:54:46 | 0:54:50 | |
So, that's it from Match of the Day. | 0:54:50 | 0:54:53 | |
-A definite decision? -Absolutely. 22 years. | 0:54:53 | 0:54:57 | |
Why now? You're still young. | 0:54:57 | 0:54:59 | |
I think I've had a great time. | 0:54:59 | 0:55:01 | |
I went at the very top of Liverpool, the last game I ever played | 0:55:01 | 0:55:05 | |
was when we won the title in 1990. | 0:55:05 | 0:55:07 | |
I have had a great season on Match of the Day. | 0:55:07 | 0:55:09 | |
-I know I'm not going to miss it. -You don't think you'll miss it? | 0:55:09 | 0:55:12 | |
The minute I walked out the door at Liverpool, I never missed it at all. | 0:55:12 | 0:55:16 | |
I know the minute I walk out this door, I'm not going to miss it. | 0:55:16 | 0:55:20 | |
I think he's been a star of the show, don't you? | 0:55:22 | 0:55:25 | |
He's a very nice man, a good man and I'm sure all of us wish him | 0:55:26 | 0:55:32 | |
a happy retirement. | 0:55:32 | 0:55:34 | |
You almost forget that he was a player and how good he was | 0:55:37 | 0:55:40 | |
and how important he has been in television in Match of the Day. | 0:55:40 | 0:55:44 | |
He will be missed because he's very good at his job, | 0:55:46 | 0:55:49 | |
very well respected and rightly so. | 0:55:49 | 0:55:52 | |
You cannot have been in it for that amount of time | 0:55:52 | 0:55:54 | |
if you're not good at it. | 0:55:54 | 0:55:56 | |
He's an iconic figure at the BBC and he's one that every pundit | 0:55:56 | 0:56:01 | |
getting into the game aspires to be like. | 0:56:01 | 0:56:04 | |
22 years, on an iconic programme. | 0:56:04 | 0:56:06 | |
With the best people, working for the best organisation. | 0:56:07 | 0:56:11 | |
You can't get much better than that. | 0:56:11 | 0:56:13 | |
I feel really sorry that he is retiring. | 0:56:18 | 0:56:20 | |
I think he was great, but if that is his decision, I wish him the best. | 0:56:20 | 0:56:26 | |
He'll be remembered for his voice | 0:56:31 | 0:56:33 | |
and that shrewd observation of football and also for his opinions, | 0:56:33 | 0:56:38 | |
because they were hard and firm and he never bottled it. | 0:56:38 | 0:56:41 | |
His career at Liverpool was of course incredible, | 0:56:44 | 0:56:47 | |
so he will be missed but I am sure he will be at Anfield more | 0:56:47 | 0:56:50 | |
and I will be able to speak to him that bit more. | 0:56:50 | 0:56:53 | |
I had better get the glasses off! | 0:56:55 | 0:56:57 | |
Alan's professional career has been amazing. | 0:57:02 | 0:57:06 | |
To be able to say he's my brother is wonderful. | 0:57:06 | 0:57:12 | |
One minute to transmission, one minute! | 0:57:12 | 0:57:14 | |
I don't think he will miss working on a Saturday, | 0:57:17 | 0:57:20 | |
but he will miss the team that he works with. | 0:57:20 | 0:57:23 | |
He's loved working on Match of the Day for so many years. | 0:57:23 | 0:57:26 | |
Good evening, the final day of a magnificent Barclays Premier League | 0:57:28 | 0:57:32 | |
season began with two teams in contention for the title. | 0:57:32 | 0:57:35 | |
Manchester City were favourites but despite their collapse | 0:57:35 | 0:57:38 | |
at Crystal Palace, Liverpool still dared to dream. | 0:57:38 | 0:57:41 | |
I have certainly enjoyed watching him as a player. | 0:57:41 | 0:57:44 | |
I have loved watching him as a pundit | 0:57:44 | 0:57:46 | |
and he will certainly be missed. | 0:57:46 | 0:57:48 | |
It's your last show, Mr Alan Hansen. | 0:57:49 | 0:57:50 | |
-Very sad. -22 years. We will miss you. | 0:57:50 | 0:57:55 | |
Very few players in the history of the game achieved more than him | 0:57:55 | 0:57:58 | |
at home and abroad, so he always carried that authority. | 0:57:58 | 0:58:01 | |
Difficult to replace, that. | 0:58:01 | 0:58:03 | |
The best ever moment I've had on Match of the Day | 0:58:03 | 0:58:05 | |
was a couple of minutes ago | 0:58:05 | 0:58:07 | |
when you struggled to find your glasses to read the league tables. | 0:58:07 | 0:58:11 | |
That is what's changed! | 0:58:11 | 0:58:13 | |
There's a saying that you have your best games when you don't play. | 0:58:13 | 0:58:16 | |
By that, some of that Alan Hansen, when he's not on there, | 0:58:16 | 0:58:19 | |
he will be missed so much | 0:58:19 | 0:58:20 | |
and people will look back and go, we missed that. | 0:58:20 | 0:58:23 | |
Thanks, Alan. | 0:58:23 | 0:58:25 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:58:26 | 0:58:28 | |
Thank you, everybody. | 0:58:28 | 0:58:30 | |
-It's emotional. -Yes, it is, it's emotional. | 0:58:30 | 0:58:33 | |
He's a wee boy from Sauchie that made good. | 0:58:33 | 0:58:36 | |
But at the end of the day, he's still a wee boy from Sauchie. | 0:58:36 | 0:58:39 | |
This is the right time for me to go | 0:58:39 | 0:58:41 | |
and I've had the greatest time you could ever imagine. | 0:58:41 | 0:58:44 | |
We're going to miss you. I think you're the real class of '92. | 0:58:44 | 0:58:48 | |
There you are, look at that! Schmaltz at last from Lineker! | 0:58:50 | 0:58:53 |