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As we know, this is a fellow, you know, | 0:00:13 | 0:00:15 | |
Pre-Mr Ray and Mr Neeson and Dunbar and all those people. | 0:00:15 | 0:00:19 | |
You were up there, that accent was on British television in a way it had never been before. | 0:00:19 | 0:00:24 | |
Let me tell you, Bob, I've been promoted. | 0:00:24 | 0:00:26 | |
To crime patrol. | 0:00:26 | 0:00:28 | |
Come on. Dirty great big Irish breakfast, that's what you want. | 0:00:28 | 0:00:33 | |
If you'll excuse me, I have to go to get some essence of goat. | 0:00:33 | 0:00:39 | |
I remember stories you used to tell, they would start on a Monday and finish on a Thursday. | 0:00:39 | 0:00:44 | |
He has a generosity of spirit | 0:00:51 | 0:00:54 | |
that one hopes all fine artists have but they don't. | 0:00:54 | 0:00:58 | |
But Jimmy has it in abundance. | 0:00:58 | 0:01:01 | |
If James Ellis is your friend, then you've found the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. | 0:01:01 | 0:01:09 | |
All along there, Helen's Bay, Bangor, Bangor West, | 0:01:36 | 0:01:41 | |
all places where I spent all my holidays in my childhood. | 0:01:41 | 0:01:47 | |
'One of the things I most admire about Jimmy is his love of Northern Ireland.' | 0:01:47 | 0:01:54 | |
He just sort of glows and puffs himself up at the mention | 0:01:54 | 0:01:59 | |
of Samson and Goliath and Cave Hill, the Albert Clock. | 0:01:59 | 0:02:02 | |
Samson and Goliath, isn't it? Is that right? | 0:02:02 | 0:02:06 | |
You've got me there with my eyesight, son. | 0:02:06 | 0:02:09 | |
Jimmy is never happier when you decide, "We won't fly back, | 0:02:09 | 0:02:13 | |
we'll drive, take the Liverpool boat and we'll go across." | 0:02:13 | 0:02:16 | |
And that to Jimmy is the proper way to return to Northern Ireland. | 0:02:16 | 0:02:21 | |
You have the wonderful sort of welcoming of Samson and Goliath, glowing daffodil yellow | 0:02:21 | 0:02:27 | |
in the mist, and you've got Victoria Park and you've got the hills of Belfast and so forth. | 0:02:27 | 0:02:32 | |
And you can actually see this light up in Jimmy's eyes. | 0:02:32 | 0:02:36 | |
He becomes alive when he comes back to Belfast. | 0:02:36 | 0:02:39 | |
"Homeward I crawl, a wretched prodigal, to bide a while | 0:02:45 | 0:02:51 | |
"and then again depart, | 0:02:51 | 0:02:53 | |
"to leave once more, | 0:02:53 | 0:02:55 | |
"once more to feel bereft, your picture album in my mental holdall, | 0:02:55 | 0:03:01 | |
"the hills of Antrim etched upon my heart. | 0:03:01 | 0:03:04 | |
"For truth to tell, | 0:03:04 | 0:03:07 | |
"I never really left." | 0:03:07 | 0:03:09 | |
To go back to the beginning, | 0:03:21 | 0:03:24 | |
the chance of my becoming an actor at all was trillions, trillions to one. | 0:03:24 | 0:03:31 | |
I was born in 1931 into the Depression years, into a working-class family. | 0:03:31 | 0:03:39 | |
Well, that's a bit of an exaggeration. | 0:03:39 | 0:03:41 | |
It was an unemployed-class family. | 0:03:41 | 0:03:45 | |
I wasn't even very good at joining in family entertainments. | 0:03:46 | 0:03:50 | |
My father loved to sing a song, my cousins would sing a song. | 0:03:50 | 0:03:55 | |
I had several cousins who played instruments but none of it landed on me. | 0:03:55 | 0:03:59 | |
I was so shy, I wouldn't get up and say a recitation even. | 0:03:59 | 0:04:03 | |
And it got so bad, I would run and hide under the stairs. | 0:04:03 | 0:04:07 | |
Anything rather than have to get up and say anything. | 0:04:07 | 0:04:11 | |
Or sing a song, oh, no. So I showed no promise at an early age. | 0:04:11 | 0:04:17 | |
Ah. | 0:04:27 | 0:04:28 | |
Present. | 0:04:29 | 0:04:31 | |
Just taking a walk down memory lane, darling. | 0:04:32 | 0:04:35 | |
'It's been well-documented, | 0:04:35 | 0:04:36 | |
'I think, in the press in Northern Ireland' | 0:04:36 | 0:04:39 | |
that Jimmy's had a bit of a blip with his ill health this last 12 months. | 0:04:39 | 0:04:44 | |
He's had a little stroke but it's not deprived him of any | 0:04:44 | 0:04:48 | |
of his vital faculties or any of the joy of speech. | 0:04:48 | 0:04:52 | |
He's had to spend a little while in hospital. | 0:04:52 | 0:04:56 | |
They've got the medication right and he's as good as new. | 0:04:56 | 0:05:00 | |
I like to use this space because it gives me a kind of sense of theatre. | 0:05:00 | 0:05:05 | |
A sort of small proscenium, so it helps me | 0:05:07 | 0:05:14 | |
transmit myself ahead into the theatre. | 0:05:14 | 0:05:16 | |
Did you see a young lad passing this way | 0:05:28 | 0:05:31 | |
in the early morning or the fall of night? | 0:05:31 | 0:05:33 | |
Did you see the young lad? | 0:05:35 | 0:05:37 | |
What kind was he? | 0:05:46 | 0:05:49 | |
An ugly young streeler with a murderous gob on him and a little switch in his hand. | 0:05:49 | 0:05:54 | |
I met a tramper who met him coming this way at the fall of night. | 0:05:54 | 0:05:59 | |
For what do I want him? | 0:05:59 | 0:06:02 | |
I want to destroy him for breaking the head on me | 0:06:02 | 0:06:05 | |
with the clout of a loy. | 0:06:05 | 0:06:07 | |
It was he did that | 0:06:08 | 0:06:11 | |
and amn't I the great wonder to have traced him ten days with that rent in my crown, hey? | 0:06:12 | 0:06:20 | |
What? What, what are you saying? | 0:06:23 | 0:06:26 | |
Torment him, is it? | 0:06:26 | 0:06:28 | |
And I who have to hold it out with the patience of a martyred saint. | 0:06:28 | 0:06:32 | |
Well, I'm driven out in my old age with none to aid me. | 0:06:34 | 0:06:39 | |
# Life goes on day after day... # | 0:06:46 | 0:06:50 | |
Memories, | 0:06:50 | 0:06:52 | |
memories. | 0:06:52 | 0:06:53 | |
It was early 1938, when I was just seven years old, that we travelled to Liverpool, where my father, | 0:06:57 | 0:07:03 | |
a sheet-metal worker, got work at Cammell Laird shipyard. | 0:07:03 | 0:07:06 | |
# ..cross the Mersey cos this land's the place I love | 0:07:06 | 0:07:13 | |
I remember going across with my father to cross the Mersey on the ferry, which was more | 0:07:13 | 0:07:19 | |
expensive than the train tunnel, but I used to hate going on the train. | 0:07:19 | 0:07:24 | |
I always wanted to go on the ferry. | 0:07:24 | 0:07:26 | |
# So ferry cross the Mersey... # | 0:07:26 | 0:07:30 | |
One thing I do remember later on in life | 0:07:30 | 0:07:32 | |
was my father couldn't afford to go into the Adelphi Hotel, | 0:07:32 | 0:07:36 | |
which was very smart, but he'd got himself turned out very nicely. | 0:07:36 | 0:07:40 | |
He'd got a nice suit on. | 0:07:40 | 0:07:42 | |
I went through the swing doors with my father | 0:07:45 | 0:07:49 | |
and I was taken down the stairs to this incredible palace of a place. | 0:07:49 | 0:07:54 | |
The lavatory downstairs with all wash hand basins and everything. | 0:07:56 | 0:08:00 | |
And my father said, "This is how the other half live, son." | 0:08:00 | 0:08:04 | |
Then he saw somebody polishing... A toff was having his shoes polished. | 0:08:04 | 0:08:09 | |
And he said to me, | 0:08:09 | 0:08:11 | |
"Never do that, son." | 0:08:13 | 0:08:15 | |
I said, "What was that, Father?" | 0:08:15 | 0:08:17 | |
"Never let another man polish your shoes," he said, "It's demeaning." | 0:08:20 | 0:08:25 | |
"You polish your shoes, no matter how well you do in life." | 0:08:25 | 0:08:29 | |
That stuck in my head. | 0:08:29 | 0:08:32 | |
After about a year across the water, we returned to 30 Park Avenue | 0:08:32 | 0:08:38 | |
in the shadow of Harland and Woolf which was a target for the German Luftwaffe. | 0:08:38 | 0:08:43 | |
It became the family home for the next half-century. | 0:08:43 | 0:08:48 | |
Let's go and have a look. | 0:08:49 | 0:08:51 | |
During the war, | 0:08:53 | 0:08:55 | |
it was a little, low-profit boarding house. | 0:08:55 | 0:08:59 | |
Servicemen stayed there. | 0:08:59 | 0:09:00 | |
I remember Aircraftsman Reynolds and Aircraftsman Thomas. | 0:09:00 | 0:09:05 | |
We had two American sailors, from North Dakota, | 0:09:05 | 0:09:08 | |
I remember, because I was interested in geography | 0:09:08 | 0:09:11 | |
and I asked them where they came from and they said, "We're from North Dakota." | 0:09:11 | 0:09:16 | |
And in the attic was Captain Nolan, | 0:09:16 | 0:09:19 | |
the air-raid warden for Dun Laoghaire up the road there. | 0:09:19 | 0:09:22 | |
As soon as the sirens started, he was up at his post. | 0:09:22 | 0:09:26 | |
He had come up from Dublin but he'd served in the British Army and fought in Gallipoli. | 0:09:26 | 0:09:32 | |
He was coming up to do his bit. | 0:09:32 | 0:09:35 | |
So the whole house was actually like a theatre in itself. | 0:09:35 | 0:09:38 | |
It was an extraordinary place for a little boy to grow up in | 0:09:38 | 0:09:41 | |
and it was from here that I went to Strand School down the road. | 0:09:41 | 0:09:45 | |
Well, Paul. | 0:09:51 | 0:09:54 | |
That's Strand Public Elementary School as I knew it. | 0:09:54 | 0:09:58 | |
I don't know how but I went to a decent little primary school, public elementary school as they | 0:09:58 | 0:10:03 | |
were called in those days, Strand primary, and I got | 0:10:03 | 0:10:06 | |
a scholarship, a city scholarship to Methodist and that changed my life. | 0:10:06 | 0:10:11 | |
I think, as far as I remember, we were the first lot of Belfast city scholars. | 0:10:18 | 0:10:22 | |
There were 200 scholarships and he got one, I got one. | 0:10:22 | 0:10:26 | |
And we started at Methodist together. | 0:10:26 | 0:10:30 | |
Me from the Ulmer Road, him from Sydenham. | 0:10:30 | 0:10:33 | |
The first time I was aware of him must have been that first term. | 0:10:33 | 0:10:38 | |
There was this very skinny, | 0:10:38 | 0:10:41 | |
slightly buck-toothed guy from Sydenham. | 0:10:41 | 0:10:45 | |
Not much has changed. | 0:10:49 | 0:10:51 | |
He didn't want to appear to be a swot, to be an intellectual, to know a lot. | 0:10:53 | 0:10:58 | |
I suppose because of his mates back in East Belfast. | 0:10:58 | 0:11:00 | |
He, Ken Jameson, Jimmy and I, our threesome, didn't see a lot of those guys. | 0:11:00 | 0:11:05 | |
But he would sometimes produce a facade | 0:11:05 | 0:11:09 | |
of being something of a scallywag, a bit of an idiot, you know. | 0:11:09 | 0:11:16 | |
And he would get himself off the hook and various scrapes that he'd get it into by acting this, | 0:11:16 | 0:11:23 | |
which he's really continued to do off and on all through his life. | 0:11:23 | 0:11:27 | |
-Well, look at that. -This wasn't here in our day, was it, that bit. | 0:11:30 | 0:11:35 | |
-The roof was there. -Look at that. | 0:11:35 | 0:11:37 | |
Heritage visitors' centre. | 0:11:37 | 0:11:41 | |
Well. This ought to bring back memories. | 0:11:41 | 0:11:45 | |
What was this? | 0:11:45 | 0:11:46 | |
-A school room or something, wasn't it? -It must have been. | 0:11:46 | 0:11:49 | |
Jimmy, when he was very young, went to Methodist School. | 0:11:49 | 0:11:53 | |
And his mates, his peer group, | 0:11:53 | 0:11:56 | |
didn't particularly accept that. | 0:11:56 | 0:11:58 | |
Jimmy began acting by arriving home from Methodist and getting off | 0:11:58 | 0:12:02 | |
the bus and pretending that he didn't like going to Methodist. | 0:12:02 | 0:12:06 | |
Pretending that he didn't like this very academic exercise, complaining about the number of homeworks. | 0:12:06 | 0:12:12 | |
The reality is, Jimmy adored it, he adored translating the poetry of Ronsard, | 0:12:12 | 0:12:17 | |
he adored the discussions about the visual arts, about Cezanne and Monet and so forth. | 0:12:17 | 0:12:22 | |
Shall we sign the visitors' book? | 0:12:22 | 0:12:24 | |
We'll do that later. | 0:12:24 | 0:12:26 | |
I never thought the day would come that we'd be signing the visitors' book. | 0:12:26 | 0:12:29 | |
I went right through the sixth form, got a fantastic education | 0:12:29 | 0:12:34 | |
and that is where I picked up the French accent. | 0:12:34 | 0:12:37 | |
The teacher, who was so inspirational, | 0:12:37 | 0:12:40 | |
taught us and I mimicked him like a parrot, you know. | 0:12:40 | 0:12:43 | |
Comme on voit sur la branche au mois de Mai la rose | 0:12:43 | 0:12:48 | |
En sa belle jeunesse, | 0:12:48 | 0:12:50 | |
en sa premiere fleur. I'll never forget him. | 0:12:50 | 0:12:54 | |
Right, what did you find? | 0:12:55 | 0:12:57 | |
That's, that's you as the leading part. | 0:12:57 | 0:13:02 | |
That's right, yes, and where's Albert Jameson? | 0:13:02 | 0:13:09 | |
There's Albert Jameson, | 0:13:09 | 0:13:11 | |
in solitary state. | 0:13:12 | 0:13:14 | |
Wonderful! That's a part of a set the three of us did together. | 0:13:14 | 0:13:22 | |
Look at that. Yes, it is. | 0:13:22 | 0:13:24 | |
That's me as Dr Ford-Waterlow. | 0:13:24 | 0:13:27 | |
We had a dramatic society, which I joined a very reluctantly. | 0:13:27 | 0:13:32 | |
Three of us did the set for this. | 0:13:32 | 0:13:34 | |
Funnily enough, when I was on that stage, | 0:13:34 | 0:13:38 | |
I thought, "This is funny, I know all my lines." | 0:13:38 | 0:13:42 | |
the military people are laughing and my mother and father are out there. | 0:13:42 | 0:13:47 | |
And I thought, "I'm not doing too bad here." | 0:13:47 | 0:13:51 | |
I had wonderful make-up. | 0:13:51 | 0:13:54 | |
I've got a marvellous photograph. | 0:13:54 | 0:13:56 | |
Dr Ford-Waterlow. I don't know what I was doing, you know. | 0:13:56 | 0:14:00 | |
It was pretty dreadful but there you are, it was my blooding. | 0:14:00 | 0:14:05 | |
From there, I went to university. | 0:14:09 | 0:14:11 | |
I joined a dramatic society, which I thought would be great fun to do, | 0:14:11 | 0:14:15 | |
now that I had got the flavour for it. | 0:14:15 | 0:14:18 | |
I also was a bit short of money, a poor student, | 0:14:18 | 0:14:22 | |
got some parts at the Arts Theatre for two or three quid a week | 0:14:22 | 0:14:25 | |
and spent all my time doing that. | 0:14:25 | 0:14:28 | |
Jim Greene coped with it a bit but I couldn't cope with it at at all. | 0:14:28 | 0:14:32 | |
And I couldn't cope with concentrating on two things at once so I lost my scholarship. | 0:14:32 | 0:14:37 | |
And after that, to my utter amazement, | 0:14:37 | 0:14:42 | |
I was awarded the Tyrone Guthrie scholarship to Bristol Old Vic. | 0:14:42 | 0:14:47 | |
I couldn't believe it. | 0:14:47 | 0:14:49 | |
But I had something to tell my mother and father. | 0:14:49 | 0:14:52 | |
I had still no idea of becoming an actor but I thought, I can get away to Bristol | 0:14:52 | 0:14:57 | |
and say, you know, that I'm getting another scholarship. | 0:14:57 | 0:15:01 | |
My father was very pleased, "That's very good, is that what you want to do?" | 0:15:01 | 0:15:06 | |
I said, "Oh, well." | 0:15:06 | 0:15:08 | |
I didn't want to be an actor at all at that stage. | 0:15:08 | 0:15:12 | |
The first time I met him, he'd just won a scholarship to the Bristol Old Vic. | 0:15:19 | 0:15:24 | |
When I met him, I really didn't think | 0:15:24 | 0:15:28 | |
he had a future as an actor because the accent was so strong. | 0:15:28 | 0:15:33 | |
My accent | 0:15:33 | 0:15:35 | |
let me down. I'm going in to see if I could perhaps join a company, I went in, | 0:15:35 | 0:15:42 | |
"I just wondered, on the strength of what I have done, Mr Carey, | 0:15:42 | 0:15:46 | |
"if you've seen any of my work at the school or heard my..." | 0:15:46 | 0:15:52 | |
"Not with that accent, dear boy. | 0:15:52 | 0:15:55 | |
"I'm afraid not. | 0:15:55 | 0:15:57 | |
"I think your best chance of finding a start in the theatre is to go back to Ireland." | 0:15:57 | 0:16:03 | |
When I got back home to Belfast, I went to the Group Theatre | 0:16:07 | 0:16:13 | |
but it was taking you on on no money at all. | 0:16:13 | 0:16:17 | |
So I was offered this part and my heart sank. | 0:16:17 | 0:16:20 | |
I read the script and I was terrified. | 0:16:20 | 0:16:24 | |
To cut a long story short, nobody said anything but I was a total failure. | 0:16:24 | 0:16:28 | |
But JG Devlin went round and said, | 0:16:28 | 0:16:31 | |
to the boss, | 0:16:34 | 0:16:36 | |
"Right money, please." | 0:16:36 | 0:16:38 | |
He became a lifelong friend, JG Devlin. | 0:16:42 | 0:16:46 | |
A wonderful character, known in the business, known by everybody. | 0:16:46 | 0:16:50 | |
I miss him very much. | 0:16:50 | 0:16:52 | |
Devlin was a terrific man of the theatre. | 0:16:54 | 0:16:59 | |
And they just don't breed them that way any more. | 0:16:59 | 0:17:03 | |
I think Jimmy was a great favourite of his. | 0:17:03 | 0:17:06 | |
Jimmy and I, our lives have sort of intertwined | 0:17:06 | 0:17:10 | |
because I was instrumental in introducing him to his first wife, | 0:17:10 | 0:17:17 | |
Betty, Betty Hogg, who's now Beth Ellis. | 0:17:17 | 0:17:20 | |
Which was a pretty good marriage as long as it lasted. | 0:17:20 | 0:17:24 | |
When I think of Jimmy Ellis, I do think of him as this kind of idealistic | 0:17:27 | 0:17:32 | |
young man, coming back from England with a head full of ideas and ready to do some sort of good work, | 0:17:32 | 0:17:38 | |
to bring the Group Theatre back to its former glory, | 0:17:38 | 0:17:41 | |
and to give it a really vital place in the community again. | 0:17:41 | 0:17:44 | |
And in order to do that, Ellis thinks, I think, | 0:17:44 | 0:17:47 | |
he needs to start tackling some of the more contentious themes, if you like. | 0:17:47 | 0:17:52 | |
I suppose Over The Bridge turned out to be the most sensational play ever put on in Belfast. | 0:17:55 | 0:18:04 | |
Perhaps the most controversial, | 0:18:04 | 0:18:07 | |
powerful episode in the history of Northern Irish theatre, | 0:18:07 | 0:18:11 | |
to this day. And Jimmy Ellis made that happen, he was the centre of that. | 0:18:11 | 0:18:16 | |
Sam Thompson's play is basically about sectarianism within the trade union movement in the shipyard. | 0:18:16 | 0:18:21 | |
To actually put that sectarianism on stage shows a contentious event, potentially, for the state. | 0:18:21 | 0:18:27 | |
When Sam Thompson gives him the play, they agree to produce it, they cast it, | 0:18:27 | 0:18:32 | |
they hold a press launch to advertise that they're going to launch this play | 0:18:32 | 0:18:38 | |
and then the plug is pulled on it because they decide that this play is not appropriate. | 0:18:38 | 0:18:42 | |
The directors of the Group Theatre felt that the script | 0:18:45 | 0:18:50 | |
that they'd got from Sam Thompson was likely | 0:18:50 | 0:18:53 | |
to reawaken the sectarian antagonisms in the community. | 0:18:53 | 0:18:57 | |
It was about the shipyard and the relationships | 0:18:57 | 0:19:00 | |
of the communities within the shipyard. | 0:19:00 | 0:19:03 | |
And they, in fact, decided not to put on the play. | 0:19:03 | 0:19:08 | |
Tony Guthrie described it as censorship unofficial by the establishment. | 0:19:08 | 0:19:13 | |
I kept saying, "I don't think our board has the right to stop | 0:19:15 | 0:19:20 | |
"the Belfast public judging for itself whether the play is fit to be seen. | 0:19:20 | 0:19:25 | |
"If they don't think it's good, they'll judge with their feet." | 0:19:25 | 0:19:29 | |
Jimmy rang me up and sent me the script and I read it and I thought, "God, you could never do this. | 0:19:29 | 0:19:35 | |
"You couldn't do this in Belfast." | 0:19:35 | 0:19:38 | |
I said, "Jimmy, if we do it, do you think we'll get shot?" | 0:19:39 | 0:19:43 | |
And he said, "We'll take a chance," and he did, he took a tremendous chance. | 0:19:45 | 0:19:49 | |
It took great courage, really, to put on Over The Bridge. | 0:19:49 | 0:19:54 | |
They decided to stage it at the Empire Theatre of Varieties, | 0:19:59 | 0:20:02 | |
which is a big theatre, it's a big variety, music hall type theatre. | 0:20:02 | 0:20:05 | |
On the night of the premiere at the Empire Theatre, | 0:20:05 | 0:20:08 | |
there is a police presence and people aren't quite sure how the public are going to react to it. | 0:20:08 | 0:20:14 | |
But in the event, it's a huge success. | 0:20:14 | 0:20:16 | |
The opening night was incredible. | 0:20:16 | 0:20:18 | |
It was actually tingling with excitement and you peeped through the curtains and the whole stalls | 0:20:18 | 0:20:27 | |
was surrounded by B Specials, revolvers at the ready. | 0:20:27 | 0:20:31 | |
And we really did expect trouble. | 0:20:31 | 0:20:33 | |
-The result and the outcome of Over The Bridge was that the Ulster Group Theatre disintegrated. -Yes. | 0:20:37 | 0:20:44 | |
There was a kind of diaspora of Ulster actors. | 0:20:44 | 0:20:47 | |
They went into television across the water and so on. | 0:20:47 | 0:20:51 | |
-Yes. They did very well. -Yes indeed. | 0:20:51 | 0:20:53 | |
The Group Theatre as a building was taken over by Jimmy Young, who ran it as a kind of comedy theatre, | 0:20:53 | 0:21:01 | |
but the old tradition, the Group Theatre itself, foundered. | 0:21:01 | 0:21:07 | |
I crossed the Irish Sea, | 0:21:07 | 0:21:10 | |
with all that behind me, knowing that there was no future for me in the theatre in Belfast. | 0:21:10 | 0:21:17 | |
Jimmy did not leave Northern Ireland to pursue an acting career | 0:21:17 | 0:21:20 | |
anywhere else, Jimmy had no choice but to leave Northern Ireland. | 0:21:20 | 0:21:23 | |
Jimmy was not going to have any future in Northern Ireland after producing Over The Bridge, | 0:21:23 | 0:21:27 | |
because there was then, and there always has been, | 0:21:27 | 0:21:31 | |
a core of special interest groups at work in Northern Ireland that if you offend, the black mark | 0:21:31 | 0:21:37 | |
stains for quite some time. And Jimmy had offended. | 0:21:37 | 0:21:40 | |
Worse than offending, Jimmy had then gone and had a huge, popular, commercial success with the play. | 0:21:40 | 0:21:46 | |
And the future would have been a very bleak for him here in Northern Ireland. | 0:21:46 | 0:21:51 | |
So off Jimmy went to England and indeed, the rest is history. | 0:21:51 | 0:21:56 | |
After a few minor roles in things like Robin Hood and the title role in a play by a Stewart Love | 0:21:58 | 0:22:05 | |
called The Randy Dandy, my first real break came in 1961, when I was seen for a new crime series. | 0:22:05 | 0:22:14 | |
I went along and this producer was a very kindly looking man and he said, | 0:22:15 | 0:22:22 | |
"The first question I'd like to ask you is, can you do Liverpool Irish?" | 0:22:22 | 0:22:27 | |
I said, "I've heard this one before." | 0:22:27 | 0:22:31 | |
I said, "Do Liverpool Irish? | 0:22:31 | 0:22:33 | |
"I am Liverpool Irish." | 0:22:33 | 0:22:36 | |
This is remembering my childhood. | 0:22:36 | 0:22:38 | |
I said, "What's the name of the part?" | 0:22:38 | 0:22:41 | |
He said, "The part is McGinty." | 0:22:41 | 0:22:44 | |
I said, "It's a bit of a joke name, that, in Ireland," I said. | 0:22:44 | 0:22:49 | |
"Maybe it might be all right here but it's a bit stage Irish, you know, for a serious programme." | 0:22:49 | 0:22:56 | |
"Oh, dear, | 0:22:56 | 0:22:58 | |
"would you suggest something?" I said, "Something that sounds Irish, | 0:22:58 | 0:23:04 | |
"like Lynch, you know?" | 0:23:04 | 0:23:06 | |
"Lynch sounds good. | 0:23:06 | 0:23:08 | |
"Could you catch the next train to Liverpool?" | 0:23:08 | 0:23:12 | |
So that was how Z Cars started. | 0:23:12 | 0:23:16 | |
Well, ten o'clock and all is well. | 0:23:18 | 0:23:19 | |
Oh, dear, I'm off to my pit. | 0:23:19 | 0:23:22 | |
-Lynch. -Yes, Sergeant Twentyman. | 0:23:22 | 0:23:24 | |
These fellows you caught in the van, I want a report. | 0:23:24 | 0:23:27 | |
All right, Sarge, tomorrow. And tomorrow and tomorrow. | 0:23:27 | 0:23:30 | |
Tonight, tonight and tonight. | 0:23:30 | 0:23:31 | |
Sarge, my shift finishes at ten. | 0:23:31 | 0:23:35 | |
You're a copper 24 hours a day, I want that report on the CID with full particulars, right. | 0:23:35 | 0:23:40 | |
-Sergeant Trentiman. -What is it? -There's a bundle at the tav. | 0:23:40 | 0:23:42 | |
At the tav? Get your car out. | 0:23:42 | 0:23:44 | |
I'll get my coat on, we'll get down there. Don't forget. | 0:23:44 | 0:23:49 | |
Come on, lads, let's have it! | 0:23:49 | 0:23:51 | |
Where do they get the money to drink of a Saturday night? | 0:23:51 | 0:23:53 | |
When they've drunk it all of a Friday? | 0:23:53 | 0:23:55 | |
It was supposed to run for six episodes, which I thought was wonderful. | 0:23:58 | 0:24:03 | |
If they thought it was successful, they might do another seven. | 0:24:03 | 0:24:08 | |
And I thought, "Whoa, | 0:24:08 | 0:24:11 | |
"what a job, this is lovely." | 0:24:11 | 0:24:13 | |
Z Cars was real and you could see that they had their faults. | 0:24:13 | 0:24:18 | |
And it was great to see a local fellow because Belfast wasn't really on the map in those days, you know. | 0:24:18 | 0:24:23 | |
The Northern Ireland accent warmed the cockles of your heart, | 0:24:23 | 0:24:27 | |
it really did, and that theme tune that they had, you know... | 0:24:27 | 0:24:30 | |
Z CARS THEME TUNE PLAYS | 0:24:32 | 0:24:36 | |
My mother and father were both very excited about him and they brought us down. | 0:24:44 | 0:24:49 | |
Something called Z Cars was starting on the television. | 0:24:49 | 0:24:51 | |
I remember the tune of it coming up and I remember them sitting down, | 0:24:51 | 0:24:55 | |
and they were waiting. | 0:24:55 | 0:24:58 | |
This was James Ellis, he was playing a policeman | 0:24:58 | 0:25:02 | |
and he had a Northern Ireland accent and, it was kind of like, | 0:25:02 | 0:25:06 | |
"Wow, he's a good policeman!" | 0:25:06 | 0:25:08 | |
And also he had our accent and our accent was so rare on television. | 0:25:08 | 0:25:13 | |
All right then, let's have your particulars. | 0:25:13 | 0:25:16 | |
Date of birth, place of birth and all the names you've used in your bent life. | 0:25:16 | 0:25:21 | |
Look mate, I'm telling you nothing. | 0:25:21 | 0:25:23 | |
-I know my rights. -Particulars, Stiegen. | 0:25:23 | 0:25:25 | |
Mind, he's got a nasty temper. | 0:25:25 | 0:25:27 | |
Now listen, mate. I've done time for wounding policemen before. | 0:25:27 | 0:25:30 | |
And I'll do it again if you so much as touch me. | 0:25:30 | 0:25:32 | |
-Particulars, Stiegen. -You interfering black enamel git! | 0:25:32 | 0:25:35 | |
Thanks to Jimmy actually, | 0:25:35 | 0:25:38 | |
the Ulster accent became known as the Ulster accent. | 0:25:38 | 0:25:42 | |
And I think he was the first actor | 0:25:42 | 0:25:44 | |
who really made it popular. | 0:25:44 | 0:25:47 | |
We were talking there about... | 0:25:50 | 0:25:53 | |
people who would go across, they would lose an accent. | 0:25:53 | 0:25:57 | |
-Some people would retain their accent, some people would lose it quite quick. -You didn't. | 0:25:57 | 0:26:02 | |
I think, I've been living in London now longer than I lived at home. | 0:26:02 | 0:26:07 | |
Which is absurd to me, in a way, but I think subconsciously with me, | 0:26:07 | 0:26:12 | |
coming from Broughshane, moving to Coleraine, getting into acting, comes from my background. | 0:26:12 | 0:26:17 | |
I think subconsciously, I daren't have lost the accent. | 0:26:17 | 0:26:21 | |
That was my feeling exactly but don't forget, you're a brilliant actor, son. | 0:26:21 | 0:26:26 | |
-Oh, well... -Don't forget. | 0:26:26 | 0:26:29 | |
But one of the things I do feel proud about was something much later that I did, Cold Feet, | 0:26:29 | 0:26:34 | |
was I felt that you were taking that accent | 0:26:34 | 0:26:36 | |
out of the context Northern Ireland was always associated with | 0:26:36 | 0:26:40 | |
and you were actually showing that there is a life outside of that. | 0:26:40 | 0:26:44 | |
There's personalities outside of that world. It was good to... | 0:26:44 | 0:26:49 | |
The only times you heard Northern Irish accents were in the news. | 0:26:49 | 0:26:52 | |
Yeah, but that's the way before my time. You never heard it at all. | 0:26:52 | 0:26:56 | |
You never heard Northern Ireland news until the troubles started. | 0:26:56 | 0:26:59 | |
I was over here long before the troubles. | 0:26:59 | 0:27:02 | |
-I played Z Cars for years -You made it an awful lot easier for us, quite frankly, | 0:27:02 | 0:27:08 | |
and if you have any legacy, of which there will be much written about your many legacies, | 0:27:08 | 0:27:15 | |
you made it an awful lot easier for boys like me and Adrian and Liam | 0:27:15 | 0:27:19 | |
to settle in this world over here. So we're grateful to you. | 0:27:19 | 0:27:23 | |
And you were the first person to educate me about wine, my mother's never forgiven you! | 0:27:23 | 0:27:28 | |
You're not going to believe this but the furnished Z Car, during the rehearsal week, | 0:27:30 | 0:27:36 | |
that we got was two chairs like this, side by side. | 0:27:36 | 0:27:43 | |
And two big eejits in there, going... | 0:27:43 | 0:27:46 | |
Brrrrm! Brrrm! | 0:27:48 | 0:27:50 | |
Like two kids. | 0:27:51 | 0:27:53 | |
Or reaching over. | 0:27:53 | 0:27:56 | |
"Z Victor Two to BD." | 0:27:56 | 0:27:59 | |
When I think back, it was all so ridiculous. | 0:28:01 | 0:28:04 | |
But when we got in the studio, it was all very technical then. | 0:28:04 | 0:28:08 | |
Then we had a... Well, even then, we had a sort of cut out car, it wasn't a real car at all. | 0:28:08 | 0:28:14 | |
It was a sawn in half car | 0:28:14 | 0:28:17 | |
with that little back projection behind us. | 0:28:17 | 0:28:20 | |
Hello, Z Victor Two to BD. | 0:28:20 | 0:28:22 | |
-Z Victor Two, go ahead. -Z Victor Two proceeding to Parkfield West, | 0:28:22 | 0:28:27 | |
pursuing enquiries. | 0:28:27 | 0:28:29 | |
-Z Victor Two, Roger. -Here's a little memento, | 0:28:29 | 0:28:33 | |
although we didn't have it at rehearsal. | 0:28:33 | 0:28:37 | |
I've got it now, do you understand? | 0:28:37 | 0:28:39 | |
And I've got this original police whistle. | 0:28:39 | 0:28:42 | |
After 16 years, the series that put flesh on the television policeman, | 0:28:48 | 0:28:53 | |
and in the process took a bit of blood out of him, is coming to an end. | 0:28:53 | 0:28:57 | |
The Z Victors have finally become the losers in the battle of the telly cops. | 0:28:57 | 0:29:02 | |
It's a nostalgic time for Jimmy Ellis, | 0:29:02 | 0:29:04 | |
the actor who's put most of his professional life so far | 0:29:04 | 0:29:08 | |
into the colourful character of Bert Lynch. | 0:29:08 | 0:29:11 | |
There was a party when Z Cars finally ended | 0:29:11 | 0:29:15 | |
that involved, obviously, all the people. All the stars were there - | 0:29:15 | 0:29:21 | |
they gathered for this big party. | 0:29:21 | 0:29:23 | |
And as Jimmy says, everybody was kind of seeking to impress everybody else | 0:29:23 | 0:29:28 | |
as to what their next job was, and so-and-so was going to do something | 0:29:28 | 0:29:32 | |
with the Royal Shakespeare and so-and-so had a movie coming up. | 0:29:32 | 0:29:35 | |
Jimmy himself had heard there was a prospect of him taking part in a movie, in a big film. | 0:29:35 | 0:29:42 | |
So everybody knows what everybody else is pretending they're doing, whether it's true or not. | 0:29:42 | 0:29:48 | |
And there's a message for Jimmy that it's Hollywood on the line. | 0:29:48 | 0:29:52 | |
So he decides it's somebody winding him up. He paid no attention and carried on talking. | 0:29:52 | 0:29:58 | |
And the PA kept coming back saying, "Look, I've got Hollywood on the line." | 0:29:58 | 0:30:02 | |
"Yeah, yeah, you've got Hollywood on the line". He eventually says, | 0:30:02 | 0:30:06 | |
"All right, I'll take the phone." And he picks up the phone and a voice says, "Is that Mr Ellis? | 0:30:06 | 0:30:11 | |
"I'm running a church fete in Hollywood in the next few weeks, | 0:30:11 | 0:30:15 | |
and now that I hear you might be out of work, would you be free to come along and open it?" | 0:30:15 | 0:30:20 | |
# I remember the days Of just keeping time | 0:30:20 | 0:30:25 | |
# Of hanging around In sleepy towns forever | 0:30:25 | 0:30:31 | |
# Back roads empty for miles | 0:30:31 | 0:30:35 | |
# Well, you can't have a dream and cut it to fit | 0:30:37 | 0:30:41 | |
# But when I saw you, I knew | 0:30:41 | 0:30:46 | |
# We'd go together like a wink and a smile... # | 0:30:46 | 0:30:51 | |
We got married on 10th of January 1976, here in this village. | 0:30:53 | 0:30:59 | |
The village, of course, has never actually forgotten the wedding. | 0:31:03 | 0:31:07 | |
That's the funny part about it. | 0:31:07 | 0:31:08 | |
I sometimes get, "You were a handsome young man in those days". | 0:31:08 | 0:31:14 | |
I said, "Well, I'm not so young | 0:31:14 | 0:31:17 | |
and I wasn't as young as I looked, perhaps". | 0:31:17 | 0:31:20 | |
We were a handsome couple, that's what we were. | 0:31:22 | 0:31:25 | |
You were beautiful. | 0:31:27 | 0:31:29 | |
Thank you very much. | 0:31:29 | 0:31:30 | |
# We go together | 0:31:30 | 0:31:34 | |
# Like a wink and a smile. # | 0:31:34 | 0:31:39 | |
Z Cars ended in 1978. | 0:31:45 | 0:31:48 | |
I was virtually unemployable. | 0:31:48 | 0:31:51 | |
And suddenly I thought the only thing to do would be to get a stage place somewhere and hide. | 0:31:51 | 0:31:58 | |
That's the only thing you can do. | 0:31:58 | 0:32:01 | |
You don't get exposed on TV, you thought, "I'm in the West End." | 0:32:01 | 0:32:05 | |
And I got the part in Once A Catholic. | 0:32:05 | 0:32:08 | |
It ran for, in my case, a year. | 0:32:08 | 0:32:12 | |
Shortly after our son Toto was born in 1981, | 0:32:21 | 0:32:25 | |
I was cast as Vershinin | 0:32:25 | 0:32:27 | |
in Brian Friel's version of Chekhov's Three Sisters back in Ireland. | 0:32:27 | 0:32:33 | |
During the rehearsals of that, | 0:32:33 | 0:32:36 | |
towards the end of the rehearsals, | 0:32:36 | 0:32:40 | |
I had these two men turn up - | 0:32:40 | 0:32:43 | |
Chris Parr and Paul Seed. | 0:32:43 | 0:32:46 | |
And I didn't know who they were. | 0:32:46 | 0:32:50 | |
The Jimmy that I knew of then was the rather slim and always very affable Bert Lynch in Z Cars. | 0:32:52 | 0:33:00 | |
Well, firstly when I met Jimmy, | 0:33:00 | 0:33:02 | |
a much bigger man than the Bert Lynch that I remembered... | 0:33:02 | 0:33:07 | |
appeared. | 0:33:07 | 0:33:09 | |
So, my fears were allayed on that score. | 0:33:09 | 0:33:14 | |
And finally I plucked up courage and I said to him, | 0:33:14 | 0:33:18 | |
"Jimmy, this is a fighting man. | 0:33:18 | 0:33:21 | |
"Do you think you could play him convincingly?" | 0:33:21 | 0:33:25 | |
And Jimmy stared at me, clenched his fists and held them under my nose and he said... | 0:33:25 | 0:33:32 | |
"Well, what do you think, Chris?" | 0:33:33 | 0:33:36 | |
And I... | 0:33:36 | 0:33:38 | |
was convinced. | 0:33:38 | 0:33:41 | |
My image of Jimmy at that stage, 25 years, | 0:33:41 | 0:33:44 | |
I remember the beanpole sergeant in Z Cars. | 0:33:44 | 0:33:47 | |
And we were talking about this to Chris Parr and Paul Seed, | 0:33:47 | 0:33:53 | |
and I was saying, "Some of the hardest men I know, you'd think he'd blow them over". | 0:33:53 | 0:33:59 | |
You know, they don't have to be big. | 0:33:59 | 0:34:00 | |
But Jimmy had become physically big and physically impressive in that sense. | 0:34:00 | 0:34:05 | |
He knew the hard man scene because he was brought up in East Belfast | 0:34:05 | 0:34:09 | |
and he'd been around the pubs and the snooker halls. | 0:34:09 | 0:34:12 | |
And he knew you'd get a dig in the gob if you looked at the wrong person at the wrong time. | 0:34:12 | 0:34:16 | |
And this was part of what he brought to the Billy plays. He understood the subtext perfectly. | 0:34:16 | 0:34:22 | |
Take care of them for me, son. | 0:34:24 | 0:34:26 | |
This is the best way. | 0:34:26 | 0:34:29 | |
It's the only way. | 0:34:30 | 0:34:31 | |
Good luck, Da. | 0:34:49 | 0:34:52 | |
'The first day of rehearsal for the first Billy play' | 0:34:52 | 0:34:55 | |
I walked into the room, you were already there, you were early. | 0:34:55 | 0:34:58 | |
-You were already there. -I was always early. | 0:34:58 | 0:35:01 | |
And I think I said hello. | 0:35:01 | 0:35:04 | |
But you then went into a story as if we had known each other for the previous 50 years. | 0:35:04 | 0:35:10 | |
And as far as I could tell, I didn't see you draw breath for about another hour and a half. | 0:35:10 | 0:35:17 | |
And I don't think for the first part of my professional career, I opened my mouth. | 0:35:17 | 0:35:21 | |
I just went, "Jesus, Jimmy hasn't finished yet! He hasn't finished!" | 0:35:21 | 0:35:24 | |
And you were being very cute, as my mother would say. | 0:35:24 | 0:35:27 | |
It was all by way of an illustration for Paul Seed about something very particular in the scene you wanted. | 0:35:27 | 0:35:34 | |
'I remember telling my granny I was acting with Jimmy Ellis. And I thought she was going to faint.' | 0:35:34 | 0:35:39 | |
It was like a hearthrob to her. "Jimmy Ellis from Z Cars?! | 0:35:39 | 0:35:42 | |
"I can't believe it!" | 0:35:42 | 0:35:44 | |
'When I did the first Billy play I was only nine, | 0:35:44 | 0:35:47 | |
'and I didn't realise how well known and famous Jimmy Ellis was.' | 0:35:47 | 0:35:52 | |
And it sort of went over my head a lot. | 0:35:52 | 0:35:55 | |
What surprised me was he had so much time for me and Tracy. | 0:35:55 | 0:35:58 | |
-He had no choice! -Well, maybe he didn't, but he was just such a father figure to us and he looked | 0:35:58 | 0:36:03 | |
after us, and he had sweets for us and he didn't mind us crawling all over him like monkeys every day. | 0:36:03 | 0:36:09 | |
He's just such a lovely man and that's what I always remember. | 0:36:09 | 0:36:12 | |
-Dad? -I said a half a cup. | 0:36:17 | 0:36:19 | |
That's three quarters. | 0:36:19 | 0:36:21 | |
-What? -Can Billy come back? | 0:36:21 | 0:36:25 | |
I told you, I'm going. | 0:36:26 | 0:36:28 | |
After that you and him's in charge. | 0:36:28 | 0:36:31 | |
He'll have to come back to collect some clothes, but I'd like him back. | 0:36:31 | 0:36:34 | |
'We were all starting out for the first time. | 0:36:36 | 0:36:38 | |
'Well, the three of us were anyway, and Ken was as well. | 0:36:38 | 0:36:43 | |
'Jimmy had just so much television experience.' | 0:36:43 | 0:36:46 | |
Does he still fart and blame it on the cat? | 0:36:46 | 0:36:49 | |
But he didn't pass it on in a way that was ever patronising. | 0:36:49 | 0:36:54 | |
-No, he was never a diva. -Never. | 0:36:54 | 0:36:56 | |
It was always about helping you and helping the actual piece. | 0:36:56 | 0:37:01 | |
Take care of yourself, Da. | 0:37:04 | 0:37:06 | |
I'm only going to the bloody shipyard, | 0:37:07 | 0:37:10 | |
not the Western Front. | 0:37:10 | 0:37:12 | |
The scene where she's crying. Do you remember you crying? | 0:37:16 | 0:37:22 | |
It was the whole scene where he roughs up Colm Convey | 0:37:22 | 0:37:26 | |
and throws him out. | 0:37:26 | 0:37:28 | |
Your ma can't talk about nobody. | 0:37:28 | 0:37:30 | |
She serviced half the American fleet in her day. | 0:37:30 | 0:37:33 | |
I suppose that's where you got your yellow streak from, eh? | 0:37:33 | 0:37:36 | |
You tell her if she ever talks about my wife again, I'll smash her brains all over the nearest wall! | 0:37:36 | 0:37:42 | |
You tell her my wife's a lady compared with her. | 0:37:42 | 0:37:45 | |
You tell her my wife's near dead and she's still a better looking woman than her. | 0:37:45 | 0:37:49 | |
You tell your old bitch that! | 0:37:49 | 0:37:52 | |
Quickly! | 0:37:52 | 0:37:54 | |
Oh, that's right, the big bad wolf's here. | 0:37:59 | 0:38:02 | |
You chase the kiddies off to bed. | 0:38:02 | 0:38:05 | |
You're just like your ma. | 0:38:05 | 0:38:07 | |
-It's late, dad. -"It's late, dad!" | 0:38:07 | 0:38:09 | |
Damn the late! | 0:38:09 | 0:38:11 | |
I'm their father. Why did you make me say I wasn't, because I am? | 0:38:11 | 0:38:17 | |
They're mine! My kids! | 0:38:17 | 0:38:19 | |
I pulled the tablecloth away. | 0:38:19 | 0:38:21 | |
I was raging and bawling. | 0:38:21 | 0:38:24 | |
And Brid Brennan was standing at the end of the table and the little ones ran up the stairs in fear. | 0:38:24 | 0:38:29 | |
And he yelled, "I want my children to kiss me night, night". | 0:38:29 | 0:38:32 | |
"I want my children to kiss me night, night". | 0:38:32 | 0:38:36 | |
And I thought, that wasn't bad, I thought to myself inside. | 0:38:36 | 0:38:42 | |
-It's bound to be, "Shall we do it again?" -Yeah, yeah, yeah. | 0:38:42 | 0:38:45 | |
And I went over. Excuse me, I'm not going to do it to you. | 0:38:45 | 0:38:48 | |
But between the banisters, I grabbed the banisters and I started to shake them. | 0:38:48 | 0:38:53 | |
And a little face came in... | 0:38:53 | 0:38:56 | |
-Stop bloody crying! -Leave them alone and let them go to bed! -Don't you tell me what to do! | 0:38:56 | 0:39:02 | |
I'm sick of you telling me what to do! | 0:39:02 | 0:39:04 | |
GIRL SOBS | 0:39:04 | 0:39:06 | |
Goodnight daddy. | 0:39:15 | 0:39:17 | |
At the time, I just cracked up. | 0:39:26 | 0:39:29 | |
I cracked up because they were such lovely kids. | 0:39:29 | 0:39:33 | |
I cracked up... The tears are in my eyes still remembering it. | 0:39:33 | 0:39:36 | |
I cracked up and went... | 0:39:36 | 0:39:38 | |
Collapsed in a heap. | 0:39:40 | 0:39:43 | |
Sit down, Da. | 0:39:43 | 0:39:44 | |
'We looked at each other. | 0:39:47 | 0:39:49 | |
'And I said, had I done something wrong, why you crying for? | 0:39:49 | 0:39:55 | |
'He was so emotionally involved. He was shaking and crying.' | 0:39:55 | 0:39:59 | |
Paul Seed, the director, had to come over and hold him. | 0:39:59 | 0:40:02 | |
I kept saying, "What are you crying for? What have I done wrong?" | 0:40:02 | 0:40:05 | |
But it was just really, | 0:40:05 | 0:40:07 | |
the whole emotion of it overwhelmed. | 0:40:07 | 0:40:09 | |
I suppose that was what the Billy plays were about, it was such a powerful piece. | 0:40:09 | 0:40:14 | |
And Jimmy was the real central figure. | 0:40:14 | 0:40:17 | |
He gelled everything together. | 0:40:17 | 0:40:20 | |
-Are you all right? -I'm fine. | 0:40:30 | 0:40:32 | |
I've never known an actor with a track record like Jimmy Ellis, so little ego. | 0:40:34 | 0:40:40 | |
There's no ego there at all, it's quite surprising. | 0:40:40 | 0:40:43 | |
I mean, maybe in his bathroom in the mirror, | 0:40:43 | 0:40:47 | |
but there's no ego-trip, | 0:40:47 | 0:40:49 | |
-no nonsense tantrums. -Come on! | 0:40:49 | 0:40:51 | |
Dirty you great big Irish breakfast, that's what you want. | 0:40:51 | 0:40:56 | |
Soda bread, tattie bread, | 0:40:56 | 0:40:57 | |
-egg, bacon, sausage. Smothered with that much sauce it will make your eyes water. -Sounds revolting! | 0:40:57 | 0:41:04 | |
Come on. | 0:41:06 | 0:41:08 | |
More than just the old rose-tinted spectacles, there was something about those plays, wasn't there? | 0:41:11 | 0:41:16 | |
There was a kind of a fire in the belly of them. | 0:41:16 | 0:41:20 | |
I remember when the first one went out, I was buying a cup of tea the next day in London. | 0:41:20 | 0:41:26 | |
A woman said to me...she happened to be from Leeds. I remember. | 0:41:26 | 0:41:30 | |
But she said, "Yes, I really loved that, just like up north as well." | 0:41:30 | 0:41:36 | |
-I got a lot of that. -There was a connection. | 0:41:36 | 0:41:38 | |
-A tremendous connection. -The end of a certain kind of working-class life. | 0:41:38 | 0:41:43 | |
I don't think they realised. | 0:41:43 | 0:41:45 | |
I got stopped by four lads who tried to take me off for a drink. | 0:41:45 | 0:41:50 | |
"'Ere, you're just like my dad." | 0:41:50 | 0:41:54 | |
And the other one's going, "Hey, you're like my dad." | 0:41:54 | 0:41:59 | |
"You're just like my dad." | 0:41:59 | 0:42:02 | |
"Are you coming for a drink?" They all grabbed me. And it was the middle of the day. | 0:42:02 | 0:42:07 | |
And I thought, | 0:42:07 | 0:42:09 | |
"I've got to go with these lads," you know. | 0:42:09 | 0:42:12 | |
I was offered a very small part in Boys From the Blackstuff. | 0:42:28 | 0:42:33 | |
I read the part, discovered it was right up my street. | 0:42:33 | 0:42:38 | |
I thought, this is just me to a T. | 0:42:38 | 0:42:41 | |
Hey, pop! | 0:42:41 | 0:42:43 | |
You! Jimmy! | 0:42:43 | 0:42:46 | |
'I wasn't expecting... It was a great opportunity for me' | 0:42:47 | 0:42:50 | |
because it was a great chance to do a showing off part. | 0:42:50 | 0:42:54 | |
Don't I know you from somewhere? | 0:42:57 | 0:42:59 | |
I'm... | 0:43:01 | 0:43:04 | |
I'm... | 0:43:04 | 0:43:07 | |
I'm wet. | 0:43:11 | 0:43:13 | |
It's the climate, son. | 0:43:13 | 0:43:16 | |
I wish I was dead. | 0:43:16 | 0:43:19 | |
It's this city, man. | 0:43:19 | 0:43:22 | |
It's nae use. | 0:43:22 | 0:43:24 | |
'I have met a few winos in my time. | 0:43:24 | 0:43:26 | |
'I've even talked to them. | 0:43:26 | 0:43:29 | |
'As an actor, I'll talk to anybody, and I make it my business.' | 0:43:29 | 0:43:34 | |
I talked to somebody the other day who was talking to me, and I said, "I know you're studying me." | 0:43:36 | 0:43:43 | |
I said, "You don't know I'm studying you." | 0:43:43 | 0:43:46 | |
"Oh, why is that?" I said, "I study everybody. | 0:43:48 | 0:43:52 | |
"Because I'm an actor." | 0:43:52 | 0:43:53 | |
Don't be in there. | 0:44:03 | 0:44:05 | |
If you smash a window you get a cell for the night. | 0:44:06 | 0:44:10 | |
You get the evening as well. | 0:44:10 | 0:44:12 | |
It's dry in a cell. Nae more rain. | 0:44:14 | 0:44:17 | |
HE SINGS DRUNKENLY | 0:44:19 | 0:44:21 | |
ALARM BELL RINGS | 0:44:39 | 0:44:41 | |
That was MA windae! | 0:44:45 | 0:44:48 | |
We had the awful tragedy of Adams's death | 0:45:08 | 0:45:13 | |
on the 25th August, 1988. | 0:45:13 | 0:45:16 | |
My eldest son Adam was... | 0:45:19 | 0:45:21 | |
..for want a better word... | 0:45:22 | 0:45:26 | |
the newspapers called it "mugged", | 0:45:26 | 0:45:29 | |
but he was stabbed, murdered. | 0:45:29 | 0:45:32 | |
I think initially Jimmy felt that perhaps it was meant for him, | 0:45:34 | 0:45:38 | |
because the man who murdered him was from Cork. | 0:45:38 | 0:45:41 | |
And Jimmy thought it was something to do with Irish politics involved, which was totally wrong actually. | 0:45:41 | 0:45:47 | |
This guy had been boasting to his friends that he'd kill someone | 0:45:47 | 0:45:51 | |
and none of them believed him, so he set out to prove it. | 0:45:51 | 0:45:54 | |
And he was trying to mug Adam who was fishing by the canal. | 0:45:54 | 0:45:58 | |
He only had a couple of shillings on him, and this guy had a sock full of sand. | 0:45:58 | 0:46:02 | |
And he battered him. And Jimmy be said, "I'll tell you about it some time, Graham, it was terrible." | 0:46:02 | 0:46:07 | |
He said, "I was so angry, I used to go to where Adam's body was found | 0:46:07 | 0:46:12 | |
"and they still had the chalk marks on the ground of the body. | 0:46:12 | 0:46:15 | |
"I went into the local pubs and I just kicked the doors open. | 0:46:15 | 0:46:19 | |
"I'd go to the bar and just scatter everything." | 0:46:19 | 0:46:21 | |
And he said, "I wanted someone to say something or do something. | 0:46:21 | 0:46:25 | |
"I'd have killed them." | 0:46:25 | 0:46:27 | |
He said, "I came out one night and I was walking long, and somebody | 0:46:27 | 0:46:30 | |
grabbed me, turned me around and threw me against the wall. | 0:46:30 | 0:46:33 | |
It was a big policeman. And he said, "Do you want to know how your son died? | 0:46:33 | 0:46:37 | |
I'll tell you how your bloody son died, I'll show you where he died." | 0:46:37 | 0:46:39 | |
He said, "They dragged him down the canal and they stood there where chalk marks were still, | 0:46:39 | 0:46:44 | |
"and he told me exactly what had happened." | 0:46:44 | 0:46:47 | |
And he said, "There's nothing you could do to change that, Jimmy." | 0:46:47 | 0:46:50 | |
And so it was one of those... | 0:46:50 | 0:46:52 | |
life-changing experiences for Jimmy, I feel. | 0:46:52 | 0:46:57 | |
Everybody has tragedies in their life. | 0:47:00 | 0:47:04 | |
Anybody else... | 0:47:04 | 0:47:06 | |
It's not alone... | 0:47:06 | 0:47:09 | |
for one person... | 0:47:09 | 0:47:11 | |
to suffer disasters. | 0:47:11 | 0:47:14 | |
There are many people... | 0:47:14 | 0:47:17 | |
who my heart goes out to. | 0:47:17 | 0:47:20 | |
It happens every day. | 0:47:20 | 0:47:22 | |
It's just, when it happens to you, | 0:47:23 | 0:47:26 | |
it seems to destroy your universe. | 0:47:26 | 0:47:29 | |
'The family were devastated, | 0:47:33 | 0:47:36 | |
'and Robina came to the rescue.' | 0:47:36 | 0:47:39 | |
And since that moment, | 0:47:41 | 0:47:43 | |
we are one family. | 0:47:43 | 0:47:45 | |
My first wife calls Robina, Saint Robina! | 0:47:48 | 0:47:52 | |
So, it's lovely to have a family around you one more time. | 0:47:54 | 0:48:00 | |
It makes me a very happy man. | 0:48:00 | 0:48:03 | |
Mandy rang, Jimmy, to say they'd all got back from holiday safe and sound. | 0:48:03 | 0:48:09 | |
Well, where was I? | 0:48:11 | 0:48:13 | |
Obviously, the way, | 0:48:13 | 0:48:15 | |
the effect of that on his life was extraordinary and it's one of those | 0:48:15 | 0:48:20 | |
things that I know you either don't come back from, or something | 0:48:20 | 0:48:26 | |
inside you again comes to meet you and you can get over, | 0:48:26 | 0:48:32 | |
get on to another level with that. | 0:48:32 | 0:48:36 | |
And I think it's certainly also made him acutely aware. | 0:48:36 | 0:48:39 | |
It's the moment when he obviously became a poet. | 0:48:39 | 0:48:42 | |
Because I do think poetry is the language of shock. | 0:48:42 | 0:48:46 | |
His book comes out. And this is a major thing. | 0:48:50 | 0:48:54 | |
And he's dedicated a poem to my father in the book, and he invites him to the launch. | 0:48:54 | 0:48:58 | |
In fact, it's here in Belfast. | 0:48:58 | 0:49:00 | |
And at this stage, diabetes has affected my dad and he can't read, and he can't see very well. | 0:49:00 | 0:49:07 | |
Obviously my mother and father were invited. | 0:49:07 | 0:49:09 | |
So they declined and said it was for health reasons. | 0:49:09 | 0:49:12 | |
And what happened was, on this day, and this is an extraordinary day for Jimmy, this is like... | 0:49:12 | 0:49:18 | |
He wasn't young. If you think of all the events that led up to that, | 0:49:18 | 0:49:23 | |
he actually has this day in the book, | 0:49:23 | 0:49:27 | |
the book launch of Domestic Flight, and I didn't know this, but he had dedicated a poem to my father. | 0:49:27 | 0:49:33 | |
So what did Jimmy do? | 0:49:33 | 0:49:34 | |
On the day of the launch, he gets in a taxi and comes to the house here to the parlour. | 0:49:34 | 0:49:42 | |
And he reads the poem to him, that he's dedicated to him, Over The Bridge. | 0:49:42 | 0:49:48 | |
And it's... | 0:49:48 | 0:49:50 | |
..it's the kindness of that. It's the fact that it's his day. | 0:49:51 | 0:49:54 | |
And this is really hard for me because I'm a writer, selfishly, I wouldn't have done that. | 0:49:54 | 0:50:01 | |
I haven't done that. I mean, to do that, that major... I mean, it was his book of poetry, | 0:50:01 | 0:50:08 | |
his first publication and he does that | 0:50:08 | 0:50:10 | |
and he comes up here to the sitting room and he reads from the poetry. | 0:50:10 | 0:50:14 | |
Jimmy's really an intellectual. | 0:50:16 | 0:50:19 | |
There's a Beckett poem, | 0:50:19 | 0:50:21 | |
I think it was written in French, and then Beckett himself | 0:50:21 | 0:50:25 | |
translated it into English, and when they did the Beckett... | 0:50:25 | 0:50:30 | |
anniversary, it was Jimmy's translation, | 0:50:30 | 0:50:33 | |
which was slightly different from Sam's own, that was chosen. | 0:50:33 | 0:50:37 | |
So he's not, you know... | 0:50:37 | 0:50:39 | |
He's a Renaissance man really. | 0:50:39 | 0:50:43 | |
Other things I've done, of course, are One By One. | 0:50:54 | 0:50:57 | |
I could talk about that for hours. | 0:50:57 | 0:50:59 | |
One By One was all about animals. | 0:50:59 | 0:51:04 | |
And I had a wonderful time doing it and I've met everything. | 0:51:04 | 0:51:08 | |
I've made friends with a gorilla. | 0:51:08 | 0:51:10 | |
And my pal the orang-utan. | 0:51:15 | 0:51:17 | |
Working with Jimmy is a real joy. | 0:51:27 | 0:51:30 | |
I mean, | 0:51:30 | 0:51:32 | |
he's a fantastic actor. | 0:51:32 | 0:51:34 | |
A true professional. I mean, doing scenes and playing the field, | 0:51:34 | 0:51:37 | |
we had some specifically | 0:51:37 | 0:51:39 | |
quite serious scenes to do. | 0:51:39 | 0:51:41 | |
And Jimmy can really switch it on and turn it on. | 0:51:41 | 0:51:46 | |
It's easy to work with him because he's so accomplished. | 0:51:46 | 0:51:49 | |
There you are now, Mother. | 0:51:51 | 0:51:53 | |
It'll be a change of scenery for you. | 0:51:53 | 0:51:56 | |
I'd be better off in my bed. | 0:51:56 | 0:51:57 | |
But you've gotta get out of that bedroom some time. | 0:51:57 | 0:52:00 | |
We'll be able to sit together and watch the telly. | 0:52:00 | 0:52:04 | |
And I won't have to be up and down the stairs so much. | 0:52:04 | 0:52:09 | |
RANDOM NOTES PLAY TUNELESSLY, BARKING | 0:52:09 | 0:52:11 | |
I remember leaving set and saying to people, I've really learnt quite a lot today and that's great. | 0:52:15 | 0:52:22 | |
You can just watch and learn. | 0:52:22 | 0:52:24 | |
Genuinely. And with all that wonderful experience, | 0:52:24 | 0:52:29 | |
he's a fine actor. | 0:52:29 | 0:52:31 | |
Well I've known Jimmy Ellis as an actor for a long time, | 0:52:40 | 0:52:43 | |
since I was a very young child from seeing him on TV. | 0:52:43 | 0:52:46 | |
I did think of him in my very young youth as an uncle of mine. | 0:52:46 | 0:52:50 | |
He looked like an uncle and spoke like an uncle of mine on television. | 0:52:50 | 0:52:54 | |
I was delighted when he turned up in Ballykissangel to play my uncle. | 0:52:54 | 0:52:59 | |
And I'd said I'll introduce myself and I couldn't. | 0:52:59 | 0:53:01 | |
I bottled because I was too | 0:53:01 | 0:53:03 | |
afraid because he was such a hero of mine. | 0:53:03 | 0:53:06 | |
Because Jimmy has always been considered | 0:53:06 | 0:53:09 | |
as theatrical and acting royalty. | 0:53:09 | 0:53:12 | |
Then he came and introduced himself to me as if he'd known me all my life. He'd even done his research | 0:53:12 | 0:53:18 | |
where he knew stuff about my family from talking about me before he got to the set. | 0:53:18 | 0:53:22 | |
-Goodnight Irene! -Hiya. | 0:53:25 | 0:53:27 | |
H-i-i-i...Hiya! | 0:53:37 | 0:53:39 | |
H-i-i-i...Hiya! | 0:53:39 | 0:53:43 | |
H-i-i-i-i-i...Hiya! | 0:53:43 | 0:53:47 | |
Perhaps he said... | 0:53:48 | 0:53:50 | |
-It must be Latin. -Jabba, jabba, jabba, jabba, jabba. | 0:53:50 | 0:53:54 | |
Jabba, jabba. | 0:53:54 | 0:53:57 | |
'I worked with him for quite a bit after Bally K and recently on | 0:53:58 | 0:54:03 | |
'a short film that he adapted from a short story called The Devil. | 0:54:03 | 0:54:07 | |
'And discovered in the course of that that Jimmy had been a French student as I had been,' | 0:54:07 | 0:54:11 | |
but unlike me, Jimmy had graduated with 100% in his French exams, | 0:54:11 | 0:54:16 | |
which sickened my happiness cos I didn't do anything like as well. | 0:54:16 | 0:54:20 | |
But it explains a lot about the man as a writer and poet and a wordsmith | 0:54:22 | 0:54:30 | |
and about how well he used those skills. | 0:54:30 | 0:54:32 | |
To be, | 0:54:39 | 0:54:41 | |
or not to be: | 0:54:41 | 0:54:44 | |
that is the question. | 0:54:44 | 0:54:46 | |
Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer | 0:54:47 | 0:54:50 | |
The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune, | 0:54:50 | 0:54:54 | |
Or to take arms against a sea of troubles, | 0:54:54 | 0:54:59 | |
And by opposing, | 0:54:59 | 0:55:01 | |
end them? | 0:55:01 | 0:55:03 | |
To die. | 0:55:03 | 0:55:06 | |
To sleep. | 0:55:06 | 0:55:09 | |
No more. | 0:55:09 | 0:55:11 | |
And by a sleep to say we end | 0:55:11 | 0:55:13 | |
The heart-ache and the thousand natural shocks | 0:55:13 | 0:55:17 | |
That flesh is heir to, | 0:55:17 | 0:55:19 | |
'tis a consummation Devoutly to be wish'd. | 0:55:19 | 0:55:23 | |
To die, to sleep. | 0:55:23 | 0:55:25 | |
To sleep, | 0:55:28 | 0:55:31 | |
perchance to dream. | 0:55:31 | 0:55:33 | |
Ay, there's the rub. | 0:55:35 | 0:55:39 | |
For in that sleep of death what dreams may come | 0:55:40 | 0:55:45 | |
When we have shuffled off this mortal coil, | 0:55:45 | 0:55:48 | |
Must give us pause. | 0:55:48 | 0:55:50 | |
There's the respect | 0:55:50 | 0:55:51 | |
That makes calamity of so long life. | 0:55:51 | 0:55:55 | |
For who would bear the whips and scorns of time? | 0:55:55 | 0:55:59 | |
The oppressor's wrong, the proud man's contumely? | 0:55:59 | 0:56:02 | |
The pangs of despis'd love, | 0:56:02 | 0:56:06 | |
the law's delay? | 0:56:06 | 0:56:08 | |
The insolence of office and the spurns | 0:56:08 | 0:56:11 | |
That patient merit of the unworthy takes? | 0:56:11 | 0:56:15 | |
When he himself might his quietus make | 0:56:15 | 0:56:20 | |
With a bare bodkin? | 0:56:29 | 0:56:32 | |
Who would fardels bear... | 0:56:36 | 0:56:39 | |
And so on. | 0:56:39 | 0:56:40 | |
Anywhere you go where you use the name Jimmy Ellis, is immediately, | 0:57:04 | 0:57:09 | |
it's like a cosmic pass into any circle or any situation. | 0:57:09 | 0:57:13 | |
There is such a wealth of goodwill for Jimmy, it's extraordinary. | 0:57:13 | 0:57:16 | |
I don't know anybody else like him | 0:57:16 | 0:57:19 | |
who carries that wonderful passport. | 0:57:19 | 0:57:21 | |
He had a word for everybody, as I say, over here, you know? | 0:57:27 | 0:57:31 | |
If you walked on the street in Belfast with Jimmy everybody knows him and he stops with every person. | 0:57:31 | 0:57:35 | |
I think he sort of exudes | 0:57:35 | 0:57:37 | |
the confidence in, he's never going to not be there for you. | 0:57:37 | 0:57:42 | |
I tell you a marvellous thing about Jimmy is this, | 0:57:57 | 0:58:01 | |
he's one of those people that if you see him, your heart gives a lift. | 0:58:01 | 0:58:06 | |
He's a real life enhancer, Jimmy Ellis. | 0:58:06 | 0:58:10 | |
And please, God, may he get on for a long time more. | 0:58:10 | 0:58:15 | |
Subtitles by Red Bee Media Ltd, 2006 | 0:58:36 | 0:58:39 | |
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