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The 8th May, 2007. | 0:00:03 | 0:00:07 | |
At Stormont in Northern Ireland, a process was under way | 0:00:07 | 0:00:10 | |
that few believed they would ever witness - | 0:00:10 | 0:00:13 | |
the end of one of the most brutal and intractable conflicts | 0:00:13 | 0:00:16 | |
in modern history. | 0:00:16 | 0:00:19 | |
At the centre of it all was the Reverend Ian Paisley, | 0:00:19 | 0:00:23 | |
a man who for more than 50 years | 0:00:23 | 0:00:25 | |
had been at the heart of Ireland's troubled history. | 0:00:25 | 0:00:29 | |
Demonstrations continually! | 0:00:29 | 0:00:32 | |
Praise God, we'll fight again. | 0:00:32 | 0:00:34 | |
For many, Paisley's deafening words of doom | 0:00:34 | 0:00:37 | |
had helped stoke some of its worst excesses. | 0:00:37 | 0:00:40 | |
Once and for all, to show the world where Ulster stands. | 0:00:40 | 0:00:45 | |
But now, Paisley was being feted by the British Prime Minister, | 0:00:45 | 0:00:50 | |
a former leader of the Provisional IRA and | 0:00:50 | 0:00:52 | |
the Prime Minister of Ireland, | 0:00:52 | 0:00:55 | |
a man whose hand he had, until then, refused to shake. | 0:00:55 | 0:00:59 | |
We saw him as a ranting preacher who was always shouting abuse | 0:00:59 | 0:01:02 | |
at everything to do with the South | 0:01:02 | 0:01:04 | |
and everybody else despised him absolutely. | 0:01:04 | 0:01:07 | |
For years, he'd denounced republicans | 0:01:07 | 0:01:09 | |
as terrorists and murderers. | 0:01:09 | 0:01:11 | |
The Troubles were started in Northern Ireland | 0:01:11 | 0:01:13 | |
by a deliberate republican conspiracy. | 0:01:13 | 0:01:16 | |
And said that even dealing with them | 0:01:16 | 0:01:17 | |
was the very worst form of treachery. | 0:01:17 | 0:01:19 | |
I suppose there was some degree of not knowing | 0:01:19 | 0:01:22 | |
whether or not we would hit it off sufficiently. | 0:01:22 | 0:01:25 | |
This was the final chapter | 0:01:25 | 0:01:27 | |
in one of the most controversial careers in British politics. | 0:01:27 | 0:01:30 | |
This has always been our stance. | 0:01:30 | 0:01:33 | |
Against all the odds, | 0:01:33 | 0:01:34 | |
the man known for decades as Dr No... | 0:01:34 | 0:01:36 | |
No surrender! | 0:01:36 | 0:01:38 | |
Never! Never! | 0:01:38 | 0:01:40 | |
..had just finally said yes. | 0:01:40 | 0:01:42 | |
At long last, we are starting upon the road... | 0:01:42 | 0:01:46 | |
Ian won't be the first figure in history | 0:01:46 | 0:01:49 | |
that has begun identified as one thing | 0:01:49 | 0:01:51 | |
and ended indentified as something completely different. | 0:01:51 | 0:01:55 | |
But the truth is that in the end, | 0:01:55 | 0:01:57 | |
when put in a position of leadership and given the chance to make peace, | 0:01:57 | 0:02:00 | |
he made it. | 0:02:00 | 0:02:02 | |
IAN PAISLEY: 'Lord, as this battle goes on, | 0:02:14 | 0:02:18 | |
'the forces of Popery and the forces of lying and slander rage, | 0:02:18 | 0:02:22 | |
'and the forces of false ecumenism | 0:02:22 | 0:02:24 | |
'that would lead us back to bondage. | 0:02:24 | 0:02:26 | |
'Stand fast in the liberty where Christ has made us free. | 0:02:26 | 0:02:32 | |
'God save Ulster and God Save the Queen.' | 0:02:32 | 0:02:38 | |
When Ian Paisley was born in 1926, | 0:02:38 | 0:02:41 | |
Northern Ireland was the United Kingdom's newest addition. | 0:02:41 | 0:02:46 | |
At the end of the Irish War of Independence, | 0:02:46 | 0:02:48 | |
Ireland had been split in two. | 0:02:48 | 0:02:51 | |
The new entity of Northern Ireland had a Protestant majority | 0:02:51 | 0:02:55 | |
wedded to the union with Britain and fervently opposed to | 0:02:55 | 0:02:59 | |
the overwhelmingly Catholic state in the South. | 0:02:59 | 0:03:01 | |
Paisley grew up in a very rural world | 0:03:06 | 0:03:08 | |
of deeply held religious beliefs and high church attendance. | 0:03:08 | 0:03:13 | |
His family were Protestant Unionists of the most zealous kind | 0:03:13 | 0:03:18 | |
whose lives were defined by the absolute authority of the Bible | 0:03:18 | 0:03:22 | |
and the need to be born again - | 0:03:22 | 0:03:25 | |
to be saved from the hellfire of eternal damnation. | 0:03:25 | 0:03:28 | |
This burning holiness of God... | 0:03:28 | 0:03:31 | |
'My grandfather got converted at the age of about 16.' | 0:03:31 | 0:03:35 | |
And he must have been a very powerful speaker, | 0:03:35 | 0:03:37 | |
because he went home, he cleared out his father's barn in Sixmilecross | 0:03:37 | 0:03:42 | |
and he started to preach. | 0:03:42 | 0:03:44 | |
And he converted his own father and mother. He converted his sister. | 0:03:44 | 0:03:48 | |
He then converted his neighbours. | 0:03:48 | 0:03:50 | |
Paisley was one of three children. | 0:03:51 | 0:03:54 | |
His parents were educated but poor | 0:03:54 | 0:03:56 | |
and on a Pastor's pay, the family often struggled to make ends meet. | 0:03:56 | 0:04:00 | |
My dad tells the story, whenever he's spoken about it, | 0:04:03 | 0:04:06 | |
that, you know, his own father said to him, | 0:04:06 | 0:04:08 | |
"I don't know where the next meal's coming from, | 0:04:08 | 0:04:10 | |
"but we will survive this, we will get through this." | 0:04:10 | 0:04:12 | |
And it was a difficult time for the family. | 0:04:12 | 0:04:14 | |
Paisley followed in his parents' footsteps. | 0:04:14 | 0:04:18 | |
As a teenager, he preached his first sermon in a tin hut | 0:04:18 | 0:04:23 | |
and was soon heard in small gospel halls all over Northern Ireland. | 0:04:23 | 0:04:28 | |
At the age of 20, he was ordained as a minister. | 0:04:28 | 0:04:31 | |
Paisley's religious beliefs defined his life. | 0:04:33 | 0:04:36 | |
In the political sphere, | 0:04:37 | 0:04:39 | |
there are principles that I have imbibed | 0:04:39 | 0:04:41 | |
and I believe they are principles that are Biblical-based | 0:04:41 | 0:04:45 | |
and I believe that I have a right to contend for those. | 0:04:45 | 0:04:49 | |
I don't see how anybody can condemn a man for doing that. | 0:04:49 | 0:04:53 | |
If he's going to be a two-timer and say one thing to one person | 0:04:53 | 0:04:56 | |
and another thing to another, well, that will catch up on him. | 0:04:56 | 0:05:00 | |
I recall he was a physically big man | 0:05:00 | 0:05:01 | |
and he occasionally would get so passionate, | 0:05:01 | 0:05:04 | |
he would actually bang on the forms and the form would virtually bounce. | 0:05:04 | 0:05:08 | |
Yet they were under God's wrath... | 0:05:08 | 0:05:12 | |
After the prayer meeting was over, we would say to each other | 0:05:12 | 0:05:16 | |
"Big Ian thinks God's deaf," because Ian used to...he bellowed. | 0:05:16 | 0:05:20 | |
He has a great voice, a massive physical man and a great voice. | 0:05:20 | 0:05:24 | |
Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ | 0:05:24 | 0:05:29 | |
and thou shalt be saved. | 0:05:29 | 0:05:34 | |
For my father, preaching was a physical act. | 0:05:35 | 0:05:39 | |
He sweats when he preaches, he punches, he jabs. | 0:05:39 | 0:05:42 | |
And that created a certain amount of awe for me as a child, | 0:05:42 | 0:05:46 | |
to watch this man perform. | 0:05:46 | 0:05:48 | |
Because when I saw others do it, it was pretty poor. | 0:05:48 | 0:05:52 | |
You know, but when I watched him do it, it was magnificent. | 0:05:52 | 0:05:55 | |
Whatever he did, Paisley wanted to be in control. | 0:05:55 | 0:06:00 | |
So in 1951, when he found a Presbyterian congregation | 0:06:00 | 0:06:04 | |
split by a feud, the 25-year-old persuaded the dissidents | 0:06:04 | 0:06:08 | |
to break away and set up a new church, | 0:06:08 | 0:06:11 | |
the Free Presbyterians, with him as their leader. | 0:06:11 | 0:06:14 | |
If Paisley is known for one aspect | 0:06:16 | 0:06:19 | |
in terms of the way that he | 0:06:19 | 0:06:20 | |
prospered both in the church and in politics, | 0:06:20 | 0:06:24 | |
it was as a splitter and a divider. | 0:06:24 | 0:06:26 | |
That's how he built the church | 0:06:26 | 0:06:28 | |
and it's how he also built his political party as well. | 0:06:28 | 0:06:31 | |
People can say what they like. | 0:06:31 | 0:06:33 | |
There's talk that I'm a splitter. | 0:06:33 | 0:06:35 | |
I can't split anything. | 0:06:35 | 0:06:37 | |
They said that about Christ. | 0:06:37 | 0:06:40 | |
They said Christ was a divider. | 0:06:40 | 0:06:42 | |
The Lord Jesus Christ said, "Well, I am. | 0:06:42 | 0:06:46 | |
He said, "I have not come to send peace on earth, but a sword." | 0:06:46 | 0:06:51 | |
From his new church, Paisley began to preach a message | 0:06:51 | 0:06:54 | |
that would remain consistent throughout his life - | 0:06:54 | 0:06:58 | |
about the evils of Catholicism. | 0:06:58 | 0:07:01 | |
Romanism has controlled in this land for many centuries. | 0:07:01 | 0:07:06 | |
And Romanism has bred poverty | 0:07:06 | 0:07:09 | |
and ignorance and priest-craft and superstition. | 0:07:09 | 0:07:12 | |
Paisley's brand of Christianity | 0:07:14 | 0:07:15 | |
harked back to the 16th century Protestant Reformation. | 0:07:15 | 0:07:20 | |
It meant that throughout his life | 0:07:20 | 0:07:21 | |
he harboured a particular hatred of the Pope. | 0:07:21 | 0:07:25 | |
How much I... | 0:07:25 | 0:07:28 | |
I denounce you as... | 0:07:28 | 0:07:30 | |
PARLIAMENT AND PAISLEY SHOUT | 0:07:30 | 0:07:34 | |
Mr Paisley! | 0:07:34 | 0:07:36 | |
Mr Paisley! | 0:07:36 | 0:07:38 | |
Mr Paisley, I now exclude you from this House... | 0:07:38 | 0:07:42 | |
'Show me the Pope in the Bible. | 0:07:42 | 0:07:45 | |
'Show me the massing priests in the Bible. | 0:07:45 | 0:07:48 | |
'Show me the confessional box in the Bible.' | 0:07:48 | 0:07:51 | |
Show me Transubstantiation in the Bible. | 0:07:51 | 0:07:53 | |
Show me the doctrines of Rome. | 0:07:53 | 0:07:54 | |
They're not there. They're not in the Bible. | 0:07:54 | 0:07:57 | |
Next to his faith, | 0:07:59 | 0:08:01 | |
one of the most important influences in his life was his wife, Eileen. | 0:08:01 | 0:08:05 | |
They got married in 1956 after a five year courtship. | 0:08:05 | 0:08:10 | |
He was 30. | 0:08:10 | 0:08:11 | |
She was the 23-year-old daughter | 0:08:11 | 0:08:14 | |
of a devout East Belfast Baptist family. | 0:08:14 | 0:08:18 | |
They had five children. | 0:08:18 | 0:08:20 | |
My mum met my dad when she was 17 or 18 | 0:08:22 | 0:08:25 | |
and they've been in love ever since. | 0:08:25 | 0:08:27 | |
Mum knew everything about what Dad was planning on doing | 0:08:27 | 0:08:30 | |
before anyone else. | 0:08:30 | 0:08:32 | |
They would have discussed it. | 0:08:32 | 0:08:34 | |
Let's say grace. Father, we thank thee for these tokens of thy love. | 0:08:34 | 0:08:37 | |
Bless them to us, for Christ's sake, amen. | 0:08:37 | 0:08:40 | |
To his closest followers, Paisley was always a prophet. | 0:08:40 | 0:08:45 | |
And as head of his own church, he drew huge crowds - | 0:08:45 | 0:08:49 | |
and saved souls - throughout the 1950s and '60s. | 0:08:49 | 0:08:52 | |
We will stand to sing. | 0:08:52 | 0:08:53 | |
Let's really sing it with all our hearts. Everyone. | 0:08:53 | 0:08:56 | |
# Would you be free from your burden of sin? | 0:08:56 | 0:09:02 | |
# There's power in the blood Power in the blood... # | 0:09:02 | 0:09:08 | |
Everywhere he looked, Paisley was convinced that | 0:09:08 | 0:09:10 | |
Protestant Unionism was increasingly under siege, | 0:09:10 | 0:09:14 | |
from social liberals and modernisers to Catholics and Irish Nationalists. | 0:09:14 | 0:09:19 | |
Ulster was regarded as almost a sacred entity, almost like the way | 0:09:22 | 0:09:25 | |
the Jewish would have regarded, or some Jews would regard Israel | 0:09:25 | 0:09:29 | |
as, you know, the chosen land, | 0:09:29 | 0:09:32 | |
or the land that was given to them by God. | 0:09:32 | 0:09:34 | |
Ulster was seen in that light as having been given to us. | 0:09:34 | 0:09:38 | |
It was the last bastion of Protestantism in Europe. | 0:09:38 | 0:09:43 | |
PIPE BAND MARCH PLAYS | 0:09:43 | 0:09:46 | |
Paisley's religious beliefs also defined his politics. | 0:09:46 | 0:09:50 | |
They drew on an ancient fear forged by centuries of Irish history. | 0:09:50 | 0:09:55 | |
Protestants had first arrived in large numbers | 0:09:55 | 0:09:57 | |
in Ulster in the 17th century. | 0:09:57 | 0:10:00 | |
Bitter historical experience had convinced them that at any time, | 0:10:00 | 0:10:04 | |
the indigenous Catholic population might rise up and slaughter them. | 0:10:04 | 0:10:08 | |
'And I believe this, | 0:10:10 | 0:10:11 | |
'if we do this, our enemies will be confounded. | 0:10:11 | 0:10:15 | |
'The lying tongues will be silenced. | 0:10:15 | 0:10:18 | |
'And that Ulster shall remain firm to the very end.' | 0:10:18 | 0:10:24 | |
It's the same fear that the South African whites had | 0:10:26 | 0:10:30 | |
against the blacks, | 0:10:30 | 0:10:31 | |
the same fear that American whites, the Tea Party, | 0:10:31 | 0:10:35 | |
has against Barack Obama. | 0:10:35 | 0:10:37 | |
A very deep fear that predated the 1960s | 0:10:37 | 0:10:41 | |
and Paisley knew that very well and fed off it, | 0:10:41 | 0:10:44 | |
manipulated it, | 0:10:44 | 0:10:47 | |
and used it for his own advantage. | 0:10:47 | 0:10:49 | |
All the slander, all the lying about me will not stop me | 0:10:49 | 0:10:55 | |
in my campaign in Ulster, to keep Ulster out of the South of Ireland. | 0:10:55 | 0:11:00 | |
In 1966, tensions in Belfast between Catholic republicans | 0:11:00 | 0:11:05 | |
and Protestant loyalists reached a new peak. | 0:11:05 | 0:11:08 | |
Republicans marked the 50th anniversary | 0:11:08 | 0:11:11 | |
of the Easter Rising against British rule by holding a march. | 0:11:11 | 0:11:15 | |
Preaching that this was the start of a new Catholic-inspired plot | 0:11:17 | 0:11:21 | |
to destroy Ulster, orchestrated by a resurgent Irish Republican Army, | 0:11:21 | 0:11:25 | |
the IRA, Paisley organised a counter march. | 0:11:25 | 0:11:29 | |
I have already told your folks, I'm not speaking to, | 0:11:34 | 0:11:36 | |
I don't speak to the press. | 0:11:36 | 0:11:38 | |
You'll hear me preach at the service and that is all. | 0:11:38 | 0:11:40 | |
This is the first approach we have made to you. | 0:11:40 | 0:11:43 | |
No, it isn't. Will you excuse me, sir? | 0:11:43 | 0:11:45 | |
Sergeant, these men here are... | 0:11:46 | 0:11:50 | |
'He was involved in very sort of extremist organisations,' | 0:11:50 | 0:11:54 | |
one in particular called Ulster Protestant Action, | 0:11:54 | 0:11:57 | |
which campaigned to keep areas Protestant. | 0:11:57 | 0:12:02 | |
Paisley didn't just denounce Catholics, | 0:12:02 | 0:12:05 | |
there were Protestants he detested, too. | 0:12:05 | 0:12:08 | |
Liberals - as he saw them - who were prepared to negotiate | 0:12:08 | 0:12:11 | |
with the Catholic-dominated Irish Republic. | 0:12:11 | 0:12:15 | |
In 1966, he set up his own newspaper and used it to attack | 0:12:15 | 0:12:19 | |
the Northern Irish Unionist Prime Minister, Captain O'Neill. | 0:12:19 | 0:12:24 | |
Captain O'Neill sold the pass to the Roman Catholic Church. | 0:12:24 | 0:12:29 | |
'Again, Paisley was making demands and standing up for issues | 0:12:29 | 0:12:35 | |
'which the Unionist Government was not prepared to do. | 0:12:35 | 0:12:37 | |
'And why was that?' | 0:12:37 | 0:12:39 | |
Because there was a weakness within Unionism, | 0:12:39 | 0:12:41 | |
just as there was a weakness within the Protestant churches | 0:12:41 | 0:12:45 | |
who were becoming more friendly with the Catholics, | 0:12:45 | 0:12:47 | |
the Unionists were becoming more friendly with nationalists | 0:12:47 | 0:12:51 | |
and this was all a sign that the Protestant state of Northern Ireland | 0:12:51 | 0:12:55 | |
was under attack from within. | 0:12:55 | 0:12:57 | |
O'Neill was the archetypal member of the ruling class | 0:12:59 | 0:13:02 | |
that had governed Northern Ireland for decades. | 0:13:02 | 0:13:05 | |
What is at stake, brethren, | 0:13:05 | 0:13:07 | |
is little less than the British connection. | 0:13:07 | 0:13:11 | |
Aristocratic and educated at Eton, | 0:13:11 | 0:13:13 | |
he was the complete antithesis of Paisley, | 0:13:13 | 0:13:16 | |
the working class street preacher | 0:13:16 | 0:13:18 | |
who as a child had experienced severe poverty. | 0:13:18 | 0:13:21 | |
Can we ask you if you think that | 0:13:22 | 0:13:24 | |
the Reverend Paisley is a threat to peace in Ulster? | 0:13:24 | 0:13:27 | |
Well, his activities don't exactly lead to harmony, | 0:13:28 | 0:13:33 | |
shall we put it that way? | 0:13:33 | 0:13:35 | |
In order to cement his reputation as a leader of his people, | 0:13:38 | 0:13:41 | |
and to identify himself with the Protestant heroes of history, | 0:13:41 | 0:13:45 | |
Paisley appeared to be looking for conflict with the establishment. | 0:13:45 | 0:13:50 | |
I think there's absolutely no doubt that he set out to provoke | 0:13:50 | 0:13:53 | |
the police on various occasions to force them to arrest him | 0:13:53 | 0:13:57 | |
and in the ambition, possibly, of ending up in jail. | 0:13:57 | 0:14:01 | |
In June 1966, Paisley organised a march | 0:14:01 | 0:14:05 | |
near a very Catholic area of Belfast. | 0:14:05 | 0:14:09 | |
It was predictably provocative and ended in widespread rioting. | 0:14:09 | 0:14:13 | |
The authorities were forced to act, charging him with unlawful assembly. | 0:14:15 | 0:14:20 | |
Paisley and two of his key acolytes were arrested. | 0:14:20 | 0:14:24 | |
Well, of course we were found guilty. | 0:14:24 | 0:14:28 | |
Fined £40 per something like that, | 0:14:28 | 0:14:32 | |
and bound over to keep the peace two years. | 0:14:32 | 0:14:35 | |
Well, Dr Paisley, myself and the Rev John Wylie decided | 0:14:35 | 0:14:40 | |
we'd not accept this binding over. | 0:14:40 | 0:14:43 | |
We ended up going to jail for three months. | 0:14:43 | 0:14:46 | |
Paisley spent his three-month imprisonment | 0:14:48 | 0:14:50 | |
masterminding how best to exploit his new-found martyrdom. | 0:14:50 | 0:14:54 | |
Until now, he had mostly shunned the press. | 0:14:54 | 0:14:58 | |
But on his release from prison, he held an impromptu press conference. | 0:14:58 | 0:15:02 | |
The authorities tried to smuggle me out of this prison | 0:15:02 | 0:15:06 | |
at this unearthly hour. | 0:15:06 | 0:15:08 | |
Paisley had already conquered the pulpit and the soap box. | 0:15:08 | 0:15:12 | |
Now it was the turn of the microphone. | 0:15:12 | 0:15:16 | |
There never was any violence at our meetings. Never any violence. | 0:15:16 | 0:15:19 | |
Our people are not a violent people. | 0:15:19 | 0:15:22 | |
The prison, Crumlin Road Prison, | 0:15:22 | 0:15:24 | |
is a place that I wouldn't wish my worst enemy to be in. | 0:15:24 | 0:15:27 | |
Well, Doctor Paisley loved the time in prison. | 0:15:27 | 0:15:30 | |
We had a thoroughly enjoyable season. He wrote a book. | 0:15:30 | 0:15:35 | |
It was a thoroughly enjoyable time. | 0:15:35 | 0:15:37 | |
By 1969, Paisley's congregation had quadrupled in size, | 0:15:37 | 0:15:42 | |
so he opened a massive new church in Belfast. | 0:15:42 | 0:15:45 | |
As Ireland's most militant fundamentalist, | 0:15:45 | 0:15:48 | |
it was finally time for his congregation | 0:15:48 | 0:15:51 | |
to become a constituency. | 0:15:51 | 0:15:53 | |
As he considered entering politics, | 0:15:53 | 0:15:55 | |
another opportunity arose for Paisley to prove his credentials | 0:15:55 | 0:15:59 | |
as a staunch Protestant Unionist. | 0:15:59 | 0:16:03 | |
The Northern Ireland Civil Rights Movement had begun a campaign | 0:16:03 | 0:16:07 | |
of non-violent disobedience, calling for equal rights for Catholics | 0:16:07 | 0:16:11 | |
in terms of housing, voting, jobs and the police. | 0:16:11 | 0:16:16 | |
What many saw as progress, | 0:16:16 | 0:16:18 | |
Paisley denounced as another republican plot. | 0:16:18 | 0:16:21 | |
The Civil Rights movement... As I said in those days, | 0:16:22 | 0:16:26 | |
the CRA, just straighten up the C and it forms an I - IRA. | 0:16:26 | 0:16:31 | |
-You believe that? -Yes, certainly. | 0:16:31 | 0:16:33 | |
It was only a front. | 0:16:33 | 0:16:36 | |
Paisley refused to believe that the Civil Rights movement was | 0:16:37 | 0:16:41 | |
genuine at all. His line was that this is an IRA plot. | 0:16:41 | 0:16:45 | |
In the early stages of the Civil Rights movement, | 0:16:45 | 0:16:47 | |
and for a long time, it was NOT an IRA plot. | 0:16:47 | 0:16:49 | |
There was no IRA presence within it. | 0:16:49 | 0:16:51 | |
I'd just like to say that | 0:16:54 | 0:16:56 | |
Protestants and loyalists of this province | 0:16:56 | 0:16:59 | |
have demonstrated their willingness today | 0:16:59 | 0:17:03 | |
to take their stand in defence of their heritage. | 0:17:03 | 0:17:07 | |
It was Paisley's responsibility for one particularly violent incident | 0:17:07 | 0:17:11 | |
that has remained controversial ever since. | 0:17:11 | 0:17:15 | |
On New Year's Day 1969, the Civil Rights protesters set out | 0:17:15 | 0:17:19 | |
to march from Belfast to Londonderry. | 0:17:19 | 0:17:22 | |
What happened to them at Burntollet Bridge | 0:17:24 | 0:17:27 | |
became an iconic moment at the start of Northern Ireland's darkest years. | 0:17:27 | 0:17:31 | |
It began with a speech made by Paisley the night before | 0:17:33 | 0:17:36 | |
at a rally in Derry. | 0:17:36 | 0:17:39 | |
Well, Paisley's presence and confrontations | 0:17:39 | 0:17:41 | |
and counter-demonstrations always increased tension. | 0:17:41 | 0:17:44 | |
There was no relaxation | 0:17:44 | 0:17:45 | |
while Paisley was around or might be about. | 0:17:45 | 0:17:47 | |
Paisley brought along his close associate, Major Ronald Bunting. | 0:17:49 | 0:17:53 | |
Journalists were barred from the meeting | 0:17:53 | 0:17:55 | |
as they addressed the local loyalist faithful together. | 0:17:55 | 0:17:59 | |
Paisley then departed, leaving Bunting to lead the attack. | 0:17:59 | 0:18:03 | |
Paisley was a great man for lighting a fuse | 0:18:04 | 0:18:06 | |
and then scampering off, leaving others to handle the explosion | 0:18:06 | 0:18:11 | |
and the aftermath of the explosion. | 0:18:11 | 0:18:13 | |
And of course, Burntollet was a prime example of that. | 0:18:13 | 0:18:16 | |
A lot of the people on the march - it was a student march, mainly. | 0:18:16 | 0:18:19 | |
And a lot of people were actually secondary school students. | 0:18:19 | 0:18:22 | |
They were 15, 16, 17-year-old girls. | 0:18:22 | 0:18:25 | |
As the marchers approached Burntollet Bridge, | 0:18:25 | 0:18:27 | |
Paisley's accomplice, Bunting, and his followers were waiting for them. | 0:18:27 | 0:18:31 | |
They were armed with stones, iron bars and spiked clubs. | 0:18:35 | 0:18:39 | |
In a well-organised ambush, | 0:18:44 | 0:18:45 | |
Bunting's mob attacked the unarmed marchers, | 0:18:45 | 0:18:48 | |
bombarding them with missiles and then charging them | 0:18:48 | 0:18:51 | |
and badly beating both men and women indiscriminately. | 0:18:51 | 0:18:55 | |
During the four-day march, more than 200 people were injured, | 0:18:58 | 0:19:01 | |
many of them seriously. | 0:19:01 | 0:19:03 | |
I have no doubt that the attackers at Burntollet | 0:19:06 | 0:19:09 | |
were inspired by Paisley. | 0:19:09 | 0:19:10 | |
He was an ugly presence on the political scene and played | 0:19:10 | 0:19:13 | |
what I still regard as a vile role in stoking up sectarianism. | 0:19:13 | 0:19:17 | |
Any time it looked, and maybe it was an illusion looking back on it, | 0:19:17 | 0:19:20 | |
but occasionally it would look as if things were settling down. | 0:19:20 | 0:19:23 | |
Any time that began to happen, | 0:19:23 | 0:19:25 | |
Paisley was at hand to inject sectarian venom into the situation. | 0:19:25 | 0:19:30 | |
Paisley's personal responsibility for Ireland's troubled history | 0:19:32 | 0:19:35 | |
dogged him throughout his life. | 0:19:35 | 0:19:39 | |
His connections to the men of violence | 0:19:39 | 0:19:41 | |
often appeared to be very close. | 0:19:41 | 0:19:43 | |
Two months after the attack at Burntollet Bridge, | 0:19:43 | 0:19:46 | |
Belfast's water supply was hit by a series of bomb attacks | 0:19:46 | 0:19:49 | |
carried out by loyalists. | 0:19:49 | 0:19:52 | |
Some of the perpetrators were later shown | 0:19:52 | 0:19:55 | |
to be closely connected to Paisley. | 0:19:55 | 0:19:57 | |
The guy who was charged and convicted of those bombs, | 0:19:57 | 0:20:00 | |
Sammy Stevenson, was his bodyguard. | 0:20:00 | 0:20:03 | |
He was certainly, I think, very close to people who were | 0:20:03 | 0:20:06 | |
involved in violence. | 0:20:06 | 0:20:07 | |
When Paisley was questioned about it later, that this | 0:20:07 | 0:20:10 | |
fella was a member of his church and a member of the Ulster Protestant | 0:20:10 | 0:20:13 | |
Volunteers, of which Ian was the leader, | 0:20:13 | 0:20:16 | |
he said that he couldn't be held responsible for all the actions | 0:20:16 | 0:20:19 | |
of all the people within his group. | 0:20:19 | 0:20:22 | |
But on reflection, I look back and say he should have. | 0:20:22 | 0:20:25 | |
Then was the time to realise the power of his words | 0:20:25 | 0:20:28 | |
and the influence he was having over individual people. | 0:20:28 | 0:20:32 | |
CAR HORN HONKS | 0:20:32 | 0:20:33 | |
But in terms of political power, Paisley's image as the hard man | 0:20:33 | 0:20:38 | |
of Protestant Ulster was a real benefit. | 0:20:38 | 0:20:41 | |
So, when Northern Irish Prime Minister Terence O'Neill | 0:20:41 | 0:20:44 | |
called a surprise election, Paisley grasped the opportunity to stand | 0:20:44 | 0:20:48 | |
against him and enter mainstream politics for the first time. | 0:20:48 | 0:20:53 | |
I am a Protestant minister, sir, and I have always said I would only go | 0:20:53 | 0:20:56 | |
into politics if the situation and the crisis pushed me into politics, | 0:20:56 | 0:21:01 | |
and the Bannside electors have pushed me into taking this stand. | 0:21:01 | 0:21:05 | |
The campaign was brutal, uncompromising and one-sided. | 0:21:06 | 0:21:11 | |
I'm no friend of Captain O'Neill. | 0:21:11 | 0:21:12 | |
The sooner he packs his bags and goes to Dublin, | 0:21:12 | 0:21:15 | |
the better for all of us. | 0:21:15 | 0:21:16 | |
This is no ordinary election. | 0:21:16 | 0:21:19 | |
Captain O'Neill represents himself as the Cassius Clay | 0:21:19 | 0:21:22 | |
of the Unionist Party, the greatest ever Prime Minister of Ulster. | 0:21:22 | 0:21:25 | |
This, of course, is utter rubbish and nonsense. | 0:21:25 | 0:21:28 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:21:28 | 0:21:29 | |
From the beginning of his career, | 0:21:31 | 0:21:33 | |
Paisley has had only one abiding ambition, | 0:21:33 | 0:21:38 | |
and that was to be number one, the top dog. | 0:21:38 | 0:21:41 | |
He brought down O'Neill by alleging that he was selling out traditional | 0:21:43 | 0:21:47 | |
Unionist values and was associating, fraternising with the enemy. | 0:21:47 | 0:21:52 | |
O'Neill's campaign to liberalise politics in Northern Ireland | 0:21:54 | 0:21:58 | |
by encouraging better relations with the Catholic South | 0:21:58 | 0:22:00 | |
was anathema to Paisley. | 0:22:00 | 0:22:03 | |
Anyone who showed any signs of wanting to arrive at a | 0:22:04 | 0:22:09 | |
solution for the whole community was attacked by Paisley as an apostate. | 0:22:09 | 0:22:16 | |
They were betraying traditional Unionist values. | 0:22:16 | 0:22:19 | |
our place within the United Kingdom, | 0:22:19 | 0:22:22 | |
our Protestant religion, all of this was being betrayed. | 0:22:22 | 0:22:25 | |
And because they were doing that, they were guilty of apostasy. | 0:22:25 | 0:22:29 | |
Although O'Neill won the election, | 0:22:30 | 0:22:32 | |
Paisley decimated the Prime Minister's vote. | 0:22:32 | 0:22:35 | |
So, when O'Neill didn't turn up for the official count, | 0:22:35 | 0:22:38 | |
it was his opponent who took the cheers of the crowd. | 0:22:38 | 0:22:42 | |
Paisley was on the march to political office | 0:22:42 | 0:22:45 | |
and nothing could stop him. | 0:22:45 | 0:22:46 | |
There are 6,331 true blue Protestants... | 0:22:48 | 0:22:54 | |
CHEERING | 0:22:54 | 0:22:55 | |
..who will never bow the knee to the capitulation policy | 0:22:55 | 0:22:59 | |
of Captain O'Neill. | 0:22:59 | 0:23:01 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:23:01 | 0:23:02 | |
GUNSHOTS AND PANICKED SHOUTING | 0:23:03 | 0:23:05 | |
As Paisley savoured his growing political success, | 0:23:06 | 0:23:10 | |
tension between the two communities, Catholic and Protestant, | 0:23:10 | 0:23:14 | |
republican and loyalist, led to violence in the streets. | 0:23:14 | 0:23:17 | |
Later that summer, in August 1969, | 0:23:18 | 0:23:21 | |
after the police tried to disperse nationalists protesting | 0:23:21 | 0:23:24 | |
against the loyalist march in Derry, there was a widespread outbreak | 0:23:24 | 0:23:29 | |
of serious rioting that lasted for three days. | 0:23:29 | 0:23:32 | |
You can never reconcile two irreconcilables, | 0:23:34 | 0:23:37 | |
and as far as we are concerned, Roman Catholics can live here | 0:23:37 | 0:23:42 | |
and can have their place here, but as far as the hierarchy | 0:23:42 | 0:23:46 | |
of the church is concerned, until it is prepared to recognise | 0:23:46 | 0:23:50 | |
the constitution of this country, | 0:23:50 | 0:23:52 | |
then we are going to have a difficult position. | 0:23:52 | 0:23:55 | |
The local police were unable to stop the fighting, | 0:23:58 | 0:24:01 | |
and so, for the first time, British troops were deployed | 0:24:01 | 0:24:05 | |
on the streets of Northern Ireland. | 0:24:05 | 0:24:07 | |
ANGRY AND PANICKED SHOUTING | 0:24:08 | 0:24:10 | |
The government's apparent inability to stop the violence | 0:24:10 | 0:24:13 | |
boosted Paisley's popularity. | 0:24:13 | 0:24:16 | |
Ian Richard Kyle Paisley... | 0:24:17 | 0:24:19 | |
24,130. | 0:24:19 | 0:24:22 | |
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE | 0:24:22 | 0:24:24 | |
I accordingly declare... | 0:24:27 | 0:24:29 | |
In April 1970, Paisley's electoral victory finally came. | 0:24:30 | 0:24:35 | |
CHEERING | 0:24:35 | 0:24:36 | |
He stood out from the rest because he was a conviction-led politician. | 0:24:39 | 0:24:43 | |
He wasn't one of the professional politicians who joined politics | 0:24:43 | 0:24:47 | |
to get a job. | 0:24:47 | 0:24:49 | |
He was there and he didn't care less. | 0:24:49 | 0:24:51 | |
Paisley the preacher and street demagogue | 0:24:51 | 0:24:54 | |
was now Paisley the elected politician. | 0:24:54 | 0:24:57 | |
Later that same year, he stood for election to the House of Commons | 0:24:57 | 0:25:01 | |
and won again. | 0:25:01 | 0:25:03 | |
He remained MP for North Antrim for the next 40 years. | 0:25:03 | 0:25:07 | |
He even stood for the European Parliament | 0:25:07 | 0:25:09 | |
and won another dramatic victory. | 0:25:09 | 0:25:13 | |
Paisley was at all times fired by his ambition to run, | 0:25:13 | 0:25:19 | |
or to be seen to run, Northern Ireland. | 0:25:19 | 0:25:23 | |
He was a master of opportunism. | 0:25:23 | 0:25:26 | |
And of course, standing for Europe, | 0:25:26 | 0:25:28 | |
despite what he had said about it in the past, was an opportunity which | 0:25:28 | 0:25:32 | |
he beat the drum about throughout his entire subsequent career, | 0:25:32 | 0:25:36 | |
was that, "I have more votes than anybody else, | 0:25:36 | 0:25:40 | |
"I am the most popular man. I am the great I am." | 0:25:40 | 0:25:45 | |
Paisley now had his own church, his own newspaper | 0:25:47 | 0:25:50 | |
and even his own new political party, | 0:25:50 | 0:25:53 | |
the DUP - Democratic Unionist Party - set up in 1971. | 0:25:53 | 0:25:59 | |
And in each of them, | 0:25:59 | 0:26:00 | |
no-one was under any illusion as to who was the boss. | 0:26:00 | 0:26:03 | |
I'm working as hard as I can... | 0:26:05 | 0:26:07 | |
to get proper security into Northern Ireland. | 0:26:07 | 0:26:10 | |
If I have your vote, you can help me to do that. | 0:26:10 | 0:26:12 | |
-How are you, sir? How are you doing? -Good... | 0:26:12 | 0:26:16 | |
I was involved in drawing up the rules and constitution of the party | 0:26:16 | 0:26:20 | |
and it was at that moment that you realised just how | 0:26:20 | 0:26:24 | |
dominant Paisley was. We would have spent hours wrangling over | 0:26:24 | 0:26:27 | |
some new rule or article in the constitution and he would | 0:26:27 | 0:26:30 | |
simply overthrow it and say, "I'm not having that." | 0:26:30 | 0:26:33 | |
Get that one vote in... | 0:26:33 | 0:26:34 | |
-Oh, aye. -The last shall be first, it's scriptural. | 0:26:34 | 0:26:38 | |
So, although it called itself the Democratic Party | 0:26:38 | 0:26:40 | |
it was totally dominated by Ian Paisley. | 0:26:40 | 0:26:44 | |
-TANNOY: -Vote Paisley - number one. | 0:26:44 | 0:26:47 | |
But Paisley's work as a constituency MP showed another, to some surprising, | 0:26:47 | 0:26:52 | |
side of his character - the tireless | 0:26:52 | 0:26:55 | |
champion of his constituents, from both sides of the sectarian divide. | 0:26:55 | 0:27:00 | |
Nice to see you... | 0:27:00 | 0:27:01 | |
Whenever he became a Member of Parliament, North Antrim had | 0:27:01 | 0:27:04 | |
the worst public sanitation issues, | 0:27:04 | 0:27:07 | |
fire problems, all sorts of stuff. | 0:27:07 | 0:27:10 | |
My dad changed all that. He worked darn hard for people. | 0:27:10 | 0:27:13 | |
He got things changed. | 0:27:13 | 0:27:14 | |
He passionately cared for the people, | 0:27:14 | 0:27:17 | |
and something he told me as a politician - "You're their servant. | 0:27:17 | 0:27:20 | |
"Get out there and serve." | 0:27:20 | 0:27:21 | |
EXPLOSION | 0:27:21 | 0:27:23 | |
What happened just then? | 0:27:25 | 0:27:27 | |
The brutal tit-for-tat violence between the two warring communities, | 0:27:27 | 0:27:31 | |
and also the British Army, now began to spiral out of control. | 0:27:31 | 0:27:36 | |
Starting with Bloody Sunday, | 0:27:36 | 0:27:38 | |
1972 was the worst year in Northern Ireland's troubled history. | 0:27:38 | 0:27:42 | |
There were almost 1,500 bombings and nearly 500 deaths. | 0:27:42 | 0:27:48 | |
CHILDREN'S CHORAL SINGING | 0:27:48 | 0:27:50 | |
Paisley's role in stoking those sectarian tensions has always | 0:27:53 | 0:27:57 | |
been hotly debated. | 0:27:57 | 0:28:00 | |
I never started the trouble at all. | 0:28:00 | 0:28:02 | |
The Troubles were started in Northern Ireland by a deliberate | 0:28:02 | 0:28:05 | |
republican conspiracy. | 0:28:05 | 0:28:06 | |
..Don't just interrupt, you have asked a question. | 0:28:10 | 0:28:13 | |
Let me tell you it was a republican conspiracy that | 0:28:13 | 0:28:15 | |
brought about what has taken place. | 0:28:15 | 0:28:17 | |
The IRA and the effect of their terrorism - | 0:28:24 | 0:28:28 | |
that was fodder for him, | 0:28:28 | 0:28:32 | |
that was the thing that fired up his whole political career, | 0:28:32 | 0:28:36 | |
opposition to IRA violence which was evidence of a | 0:28:36 | 0:28:41 | |
great nationalist plot to subsume Northern Ireland within a united Ireland. | 0:28:41 | 0:28:45 | |
As a front-line politician in Northern Ireland's bitterly-divided society, | 0:28:48 | 0:28:53 | |
Paisley and his family lived under constant threat. | 0:28:53 | 0:28:57 | |
Ever since I can remember, my father's had to carry | 0:28:58 | 0:29:01 | |
a gun for his own protection. | 0:29:01 | 0:29:03 | |
Our house has always been completely bullet-proofed, | 0:29:03 | 0:29:06 | |
bomb-proofed, | 0:29:06 | 0:29:08 | |
been a secure room in it, alarmed to police stations. | 0:29:08 | 0:29:12 | |
There's always been an armed guard. It was like a fortress. | 0:29:12 | 0:29:15 | |
And it's only now when you look back on it, if I had | 0:29:15 | 0:29:17 | |
my kids now and if they had to go through it, | 0:29:17 | 0:29:19 | |
I would hate it for them. | 0:29:19 | 0:29:20 | |
By March 1972, the local authorities had lost control of the situation. | 0:29:22 | 0:29:27 | |
The local parliament was closed | 0:29:27 | 0:29:30 | |
and direct rule was imposed from Westminster. | 0:29:30 | 0:29:33 | |
Would you be fool enough to say that this Constitution Act is | 0:29:33 | 0:29:36 | |
widely accepted in this community when it took 40 armoured cars | 0:29:36 | 0:29:40 | |
and 1,000 army men and police to do what they did today? | 0:29:40 | 0:29:46 | |
What are you doing with that man?! | 0:29:46 | 0:29:47 | |
CLAMOUR | 0:29:47 | 0:29:50 | |
But as a succession of Westminster politicians | 0:29:51 | 0:29:54 | |
and civil servants were to discover, finding solutions would be | 0:29:54 | 0:29:58 | |
an impossible task without the agreement of Ian Paisley. | 0:29:58 | 0:30:02 | |
I suppose my impression of Dr Paisley before I ever | 0:30:03 | 0:30:06 | |
got to know him was that he was a bigot... | 0:30:06 | 0:30:09 | |
a bit of a bully, a loudmouth, | 0:30:09 | 0:30:11 | |
and not really very adept at defending the real | 0:30:11 | 0:30:14 | |
interests of the people of Northern Ireland | 0:30:14 | 0:30:16 | |
which surely lay in jobs, housing | 0:30:16 | 0:30:19 | |
and welfare, rather than in banging on about | 0:30:19 | 0:30:22 | |
prejudicial anti-Catholic views? | 0:30:22 | 0:30:25 | |
If you are not content with Ulster, | 0:30:25 | 0:30:27 | |
if you don't like us, | 0:30:27 | 0:30:30 | |
then go to the south of Ireland and stay there! | 0:30:30 | 0:30:34 | |
CHEERING | 0:30:34 | 0:30:36 | |
LOYALIST BAND PLAYS | 0:30:39 | 0:30:41 | |
During the 1970s and '80s, | 0:30:43 | 0:30:45 | |
successive British Prime Ministers attempted | 0:30:45 | 0:30:48 | |
to broker a deal between the various warring parties in Northern Ireland. | 0:30:48 | 0:30:52 | |
In 1973, it was the turn of Edward Heath's government | 0:30:52 | 0:30:56 | |
when he signed the Sunningdale Agreement with the Irish Republic. | 0:30:56 | 0:31:00 | |
The agreement meant Unionists would share power with moderate | 0:31:00 | 0:31:04 | |
constitutional nationalists. | 0:31:04 | 0:31:06 | |
Paisley opposed it at every turn. | 0:31:06 | 0:31:09 | |
No surrender! | 0:31:09 | 0:31:10 | |
CHEERING | 0:31:10 | 0:31:12 | |
Dr Paisley was seen as an obstacle in Whitehall amongst civil servants. | 0:31:12 | 0:31:17 | |
An obstacle to ever making any progress in defeating the IRA | 0:31:17 | 0:31:21 | |
and stabilising the situation in Northern Ireland. | 0:31:21 | 0:31:24 | |
CHEERING | 0:31:24 | 0:31:26 | |
Paisley allied himself with loyalist paramilitaries to enforce | 0:31:26 | 0:31:29 | |
a general strike that brought down the power-sharing assembly | 0:31:29 | 0:31:33 | |
and ended the Sunningdale Agreement. | 0:31:33 | 0:31:36 | |
It appeared that as long as HE said no, the voters said yes. | 0:31:36 | 0:31:41 | |
CHEERING | 0:31:41 | 0:31:44 | |
My father, when he was public, in the public persona, | 0:31:44 | 0:31:46 | |
had to be tough, had to be strong, he had to be determined. | 0:31:46 | 0:31:50 | |
He had to be willing to say no, and strong enough to mean no, | 0:31:50 | 0:31:54 | |
and strong enough to deliver a no to get the right result at the end. | 0:31:54 | 0:31:59 | |
In the house he was himself and when the door closed, he was our dad. | 0:31:59 | 0:32:04 | |
I always taught my children... I always said to them, | 0:32:04 | 0:32:08 | |
"Look, you are my kith and kin. | 0:32:08 | 0:32:10 | |
"But you are yourself, you have entirely a personality that is yours. | 0:32:10 | 0:32:15 | |
We do not see eye-to-eye on everything. | 0:32:15 | 0:32:19 | |
You wouldn't be a... | 0:32:19 | 0:32:20 | |
It's not zombies we're rearing, it's Paisleys. | 0:32:20 | 0:32:22 | |
CHUCKLING: And they have their own nature. | 0:32:22 | 0:32:25 | |
Ten years passed before another serious attempt at peace was made. | 0:32:28 | 0:32:34 | |
Then it was Mrs Thatcher's turn - a Conservative | 0:32:34 | 0:32:37 | |
and staunch Unionist and an outspoken opponent of republicanism. | 0:32:37 | 0:32:42 | |
One of her closest political aides, Airey Neave, | 0:32:42 | 0:32:45 | |
had been murdered in a terrorist bomb | 0:32:45 | 0:32:47 | |
and she herself was almost blown up in Brighton by the IRA. | 0:32:47 | 0:32:50 | |
SIREN WAILS | 0:32:50 | 0:32:51 | |
To everyone else, Mrs Thatcher appeared to be Paisley's natural ally. | 0:32:51 | 0:32:56 | |
But when, in 1985, | 0:32:56 | 0:32:58 | |
she tried to break the deadlock in Northern Ireland by | 0:32:58 | 0:33:01 | |
signing the Anglo-Irish Agreement, giving the South a limited say | 0:33:01 | 0:33:05 | |
in the affairs of the North, Paisley denounced her as a traitor. | 0:33:05 | 0:33:09 | |
Let Mrs Thatcher get the message - | 0:33:10 | 0:33:14 | |
it will be over our dead bodies...! | 0:33:14 | 0:33:17 | |
CHEERING | 0:33:17 | 0:33:19 | |
He galvanised Unionism's denunciation of the agreement with a speech | 0:33:19 | 0:33:23 | |
that rang out across Northern Ireland, Britain and the world. | 0:33:23 | 0:33:27 | |
We say never! | 0:33:28 | 0:33:31 | |
Never! | 0:33:31 | 0:33:32 | |
Never! | 0:33:32 | 0:33:34 | |
Never. | 0:33:34 | 0:33:35 | |
The betrayal by Margaret Thatcher of the Unionist community in | 0:33:36 | 0:33:40 | |
Northern Ireland with the Anglo-Irish Agreement... | 0:33:40 | 0:33:43 | |
and, again, Ian's ability | 0:33:43 | 0:33:46 | |
to articulate the case of those who were betrayed, I think, put him | 0:33:46 | 0:33:50 | |
right at the front and centre of the leadership of that campaign. | 0:33:50 | 0:33:55 | |
Paisley's fury at Mrs Thatcher extended to her | 0:33:57 | 0:33:59 | |
Northern Ireland Secretary, Tom King. | 0:33:59 | 0:34:02 | |
Every time he came to Belfast, he was put under siege. | 0:34:02 | 0:34:05 | |
I remember the noise outside, you could hear the people | 0:34:05 | 0:34:08 | |
hammering on the gates and there was very strong feeling at that time. | 0:34:08 | 0:34:12 | |
SHOUTING | 0:34:12 | 0:34:13 | |
Ian Paisley came | 0:34:13 | 0:34:15 | |
and led a squad up the back stairs and was hammering on the doors. | 0:34:15 | 0:34:19 | |
I don't believe it's sane and prudent for Mr King to be | 0:34:19 | 0:34:22 | |
seen anywhere in Northern Ireland. | 0:34:22 | 0:34:24 | |
And a lot of distinguished visitors sitting looking | 0:34:24 | 0:34:27 | |
terrified at this hammering going on, because I was in the room. | 0:34:27 | 0:34:31 | |
He has committed the greatest possible crime, of treason... | 0:34:33 | 0:34:36 | |
-Yes! -And the more he's seen, the more he is inciting people. | 0:34:36 | 0:34:39 | |
Any reaction to that incitement is his business. | 0:34:39 | 0:34:42 | |
On his head! | 0:34:42 | 0:34:44 | |
They were determined to make my life as unpleasant as possible. | 0:34:44 | 0:34:47 | |
Did you see Tom King squealing on the television, | 0:34:47 | 0:34:52 | |
squealing on the radio?! | 0:34:52 | 0:34:55 | |
Paisley reserved his most vicious personal attacks | 0:34:55 | 0:34:58 | |
for Mrs Thatcher herself. | 0:34:58 | 0:35:01 | |
Despite her clear opposition to the IRA, Paisley accused | 0:35:01 | 0:35:04 | |
her of being in league with republicans. | 0:35:04 | 0:35:06 | |
You know, some of the things which Dr Paisley | 0:35:06 | 0:35:09 | |
said about Margaret Thatcher were | 0:35:09 | 0:35:11 | |
so absurd as to be, really, beyond the pale. | 0:35:11 | 0:35:13 | |
For somebody, who only a year earlier, had been | 0:35:13 | 0:35:16 | |
attacked by the IRA, nearly killed by the IRA. | 0:35:16 | 0:35:19 | |
I mean, this was just so absurd. | 0:35:19 | 0:35:21 | |
It gave Northern Ireland a bad reputation, not just | 0:35:21 | 0:35:24 | |
with British public opinion, but more widely. | 0:35:24 | 0:35:27 | |
To be honest, she rather gave up on him in the end. | 0:35:27 | 0:35:29 | |
You are the blood-soaked ally of the IRA as long as you | 0:35:31 | 0:35:35 | |
go on saying no to our conditions. | 0:35:35 | 0:35:40 | |
No surrender! | 0:35:40 | 0:35:42 | |
CHEERING | 0:35:42 | 0:35:45 | |
Paisley always styled himself as the enemy of the IRA. | 0:35:45 | 0:35:49 | |
His was the side of law and order, theirs of terrorism and murder. | 0:35:49 | 0:35:54 | |
But his apparent links to loyalist terrorists | 0:35:54 | 0:35:56 | |
continually embarrassed him throughout his political career. | 0:35:56 | 0:36:00 | |
In November 1986, Paisley called his closest followers | 0:36:00 | 0:36:04 | |
to a closed meeting to celebrate the founding of a new organisation | 0:36:04 | 0:36:08 | |
called Ulster Resistance. | 0:36:08 | 0:36:10 | |
It pledged to use all means to defeat | 0:36:12 | 0:36:14 | |
Mrs Thatcher's Anglo-Irish Agreement. | 0:36:14 | 0:36:17 | |
The meeting was filmed by a local cameraman. | 0:36:17 | 0:36:20 | |
We are not playing a game of bluff! | 0:36:22 | 0:36:26 | |
Mrs Thatcher, we mean business! | 0:36:26 | 0:36:30 | |
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE | 0:36:30 | 0:36:34 | |
I intend to give this movement of Ulster Resistance | 0:36:41 | 0:36:45 | |
my undivided support. | 0:36:45 | 0:36:48 | |
I will give it whatever political cover it needs. | 0:36:48 | 0:36:52 | |
At the rally, leaflets were handed out stating | 0:36:54 | 0:36:57 | |
Ulster Resistance's intent to take direct action as and when required | 0:36:57 | 0:37:02 | |
to defeat Mrs Thatcher's Anglo-Irish Agreement. | 0:37:02 | 0:37:06 | |
We had the biggest, two years in a row, the biggest political rally | 0:37:06 | 0:37:10 | |
that there has been in the United Kingdom. | 0:37:10 | 0:37:13 | |
Ulster Resistance was really formed to say to the government, | 0:37:13 | 0:37:17 | |
"We will not take this lying down." | 0:37:17 | 0:37:20 | |
Paisley held eight more Ulster Resistance rallies all over | 0:37:21 | 0:37:25 | |
Northern Ireland. | 0:37:25 | 0:37:26 | |
To the outside world, he was increasingly | 0:37:26 | 0:37:29 | |
looking like a general with his own paramilitary army. | 0:37:29 | 0:37:32 | |
I want to walk publically | 0:37:32 | 0:37:35 | |
and tell the world that Dublin will never rule us! | 0:37:35 | 0:37:40 | |
Three years later, | 0:37:46 | 0:37:47 | |
Paisley appeared to have completely changed his tune when, during an | 0:37:47 | 0:37:52 | |
election campaign, he was confronted by journalists | 0:37:52 | 0:37:55 | |
about a loyalist arms scandal connecting illegal weapons | 0:37:55 | 0:37:59 | |
to Ulster Resistance. | 0:37:59 | 0:38:00 | |
I didn't set up the Ulster Resistance. That's untrue. | 0:38:00 | 0:38:05 | |
Er, the Ulster Resistance was set up by the leadership | 0:38:05 | 0:38:07 | |
-of Ulster Resistance. -But you associated... -What I said... | 0:38:07 | 0:38:10 | |
Over the previous 18 months, the Northern Irish police had uncovered | 0:38:10 | 0:38:14 | |
several large caches of illegal weapons, some of which | 0:38:14 | 0:38:17 | |
were apparently intended for use by Ulster Resistance. | 0:38:17 | 0:38:21 | |
Paisley's links with the organisation | 0:38:21 | 0:38:23 | |
were now highly embarrassing. | 0:38:23 | 0:38:25 | |
You have already heard my statement | 0:38:25 | 0:38:28 | |
and we have nothing further to say to it. | 0:38:28 | 0:38:30 | |
You needn't repeat or say anything more. That's all you're saying. | 0:38:30 | 0:38:33 | |
-REPORTER: -I think we do need to know more. | 0:38:33 | 0:38:35 | |
That's all right, you go with your press. | 0:38:35 | 0:38:37 | |
You go with your press and do exactly what you like. | 0:38:37 | 0:38:40 | |
I have already made the statement. | 0:38:40 | 0:38:43 | |
But it wasn't just his connections to Ulster Resistance that | 0:38:43 | 0:38:46 | |
were to cause Ian Paisley a measure of political embarrassment. | 0:38:46 | 0:38:49 | |
Whether he liked it or not, | 0:38:49 | 0:38:51 | |
leading men of violence often cited him as an inspiration. | 0:38:51 | 0:38:55 | |
There was a survey done in Long Kesh one time, in the Maze Prison, | 0:38:55 | 0:38:59 | |
when many young loyalist prisoners were asked about what was | 0:38:59 | 0:39:04 | |
one of the main influences that put them behind bars | 0:39:04 | 0:39:07 | |
and they said it was Paisley's speeches. | 0:39:07 | 0:39:10 | |
My relationship with the paramilitaries have always been | 0:39:10 | 0:39:14 | |
that I have opposed killing, | 0:39:14 | 0:39:19 | |
always, and no matter who comes along | 0:39:19 | 0:39:25 | |
they can never find out... | 0:39:25 | 0:39:26 | |
What the government would like to do, even though they're in | 0:39:26 | 0:39:29 | |
with the paramilitaries themselves, and even although they put | 0:39:29 | 0:39:32 | |
them in government, they'd like to find somewhere in Paisley's past, | 0:39:32 | 0:39:36 | |
he was associated. | 0:39:36 | 0:39:38 | |
Many paramilitaries became disillusioned with | 0:39:39 | 0:39:42 | |
Ian Paisley over his increasingly ambiguous attitude towards them. | 0:39:42 | 0:39:46 | |
While he appeared to support them when it suited his political aims, | 0:39:46 | 0:39:50 | |
whenever there were acts of violence he was one of the first | 0:39:50 | 0:39:53 | |
to disown them. | 0:39:53 | 0:39:55 | |
My hands are clean on that issue, because I'm a Christian, | 0:39:55 | 0:39:59 | |
I don't believe in murder. | 0:39:59 | 0:40:01 | |
In fact, my party put up all over Northern Ireland, | 0:40:01 | 0:40:05 | |
"Thou shalt not kill" posters, which were torn down | 0:40:05 | 0:40:08 | |
by the paramilitaries. | 0:40:08 | 0:40:09 | |
I remember him doing an interview where he said, | 0:40:09 | 0:40:12 | |
"If anybody attacks our people, we will kill them." | 0:40:12 | 0:40:15 | |
He didn't say, "We will defend our people," or, "We will chase them." | 0:40:15 | 0:40:19 | |
He says, "We will kill them." | 0:40:19 | 0:40:21 | |
If an IRA man comes to a Protestant home and my men are there, | 0:40:21 | 0:40:27 | |
they will kill that IRA man. Yes, sir. | 0:40:27 | 0:40:30 | |
And when people did kill them, he disowned them. | 0:40:30 | 0:40:33 | |
The loyalist paramilitaries eventually became | 0:40:35 | 0:40:38 | |
so fed up with Paisley that they coined a new nickname for him - | 0:40:38 | 0:40:42 | |
the Grand Old Duke of York. | 0:40:42 | 0:40:44 | |
We'd been led to the top of the hill so many times by Ian Paisley | 0:40:44 | 0:40:48 | |
and he never came with us. He always backed off. He always kept himself | 0:40:48 | 0:40:52 | |
totally legal and didn't want to know, and I think from that | 0:40:52 | 0:40:55 | |
point of view, people were sick of it. | 0:40:55 | 0:40:58 | |
In Northern Ireland, there have been more clashes between police | 0:40:58 | 0:41:01 | |
and Protestants. | 0:41:01 | 0:41:02 | |
Northern Ireland's brutal conflict had been a regular feature | 0:41:05 | 0:41:08 | |
of British news bulletins for almost 30 years. | 0:41:08 | 0:41:12 | |
The peace process was at a stalemate with the IRA cease-fire | 0:41:12 | 0:41:15 | |
of 1994 having broken down. | 0:41:15 | 0:41:18 | |
In 1997, a Labour government won a landslide election in Britain. | 0:41:18 | 0:41:23 | |
The new Prime Minister was determined to give peace | 0:41:23 | 0:41:26 | |
another chance. | 0:41:26 | 0:41:27 | |
At the beginning, when I first came to office | 0:41:27 | 0:41:30 | |
and people frankly thought Northern Ireland was a pretty hopeless case, | 0:41:30 | 0:41:33 | |
and Ian Paisley at that time, you know, the view was that he would | 0:41:33 | 0:41:37 | |
never be the person who would actually do the peace deal. | 0:41:37 | 0:41:39 | |
A year after Blair's election victory, another attempt at peace, | 0:41:41 | 0:41:45 | |
the Good Friday Agreement, was signed in Belfast between the | 0:41:45 | 0:41:48 | |
British and Irish governments and the majority of Northern Ireland's | 0:41:48 | 0:41:51 | |
political parties, including Sinn Fein, the IRA's political wing. | 0:41:51 | 0:41:57 | |
It was another attempt at power sharing between Catholics | 0:41:57 | 0:42:00 | |
and Protestants. | 0:42:00 | 0:42:02 | |
Yet again, Paisley refused to have anything to do with it. | 0:42:02 | 0:42:06 | |
They should be scrapped. | 0:42:06 | 0:42:07 | |
The whole progress, programme should be scrapped. | 0:42:07 | 0:42:12 | |
After decades of campaigning against any peace deal | 0:42:13 | 0:42:16 | |
with the Irish Government or Sinn Fein, | 0:42:16 | 0:42:18 | |
to outsiders, Ian Paisley appeared to be a relic of the past. | 0:42:18 | 0:42:23 | |
And as long as Ian Paisley is around there will be no surrender! | 0:42:23 | 0:42:29 | |
Thank you. | 0:42:29 | 0:42:30 | |
When a majority of people in Northern Ireland voted to support | 0:42:34 | 0:42:37 | |
the new agreement, Paisley found himself speaking for those | 0:42:37 | 0:42:41 | |
who did not - Unionists who were deeply uneasy that despite | 0:42:41 | 0:42:45 | |
the peace deal, the IRA was still armed. | 0:42:45 | 0:42:48 | |
Paisley attacked the Good Friday Agreement at every opportunity, | 0:42:50 | 0:42:54 | |
and especially those Unionist leaders who had signed it. | 0:42:54 | 0:42:58 | |
Here is Mr Trimble's paper to destroy the union. | 0:42:59 | 0:43:04 | |
To destroy the union. | 0:43:04 | 0:43:06 | |
In 1988, he said he was prepared to break the union. | 0:43:06 | 0:43:13 | |
And he has had his approval. | 0:43:13 | 0:43:15 | |
That's your own document - What Choice For Ulster? by David Trimble. | 0:43:15 | 0:43:20 | |
I think the DUP were being disingenuous at this time, | 0:43:20 | 0:43:23 | |
that the DUP party as a whole were attacking the agreement tactically. | 0:43:23 | 0:43:28 | |
Although there were denouncing it, | 0:43:28 | 0:43:30 | |
in fact, all they wanted to do was use that | 0:43:30 | 0:43:33 | |
as a means for weakening the Ulster Unionists | 0:43:33 | 0:43:35 | |
so that they could then replace Ulster Unionism | 0:43:35 | 0:43:38 | |
as the majority party within Unionism and then from that basis, | 0:43:38 | 0:43:42 | |
they intended to do a deal. | 0:43:42 | 0:43:44 | |
Paisley now set out to destroy his main rival | 0:43:45 | 0:43:49 | |
and become the top dog in Northern Irish politics. | 0:43:49 | 0:43:53 | |
At every turn, he accused Trimble of being a traitor to Unionism. | 0:43:53 | 0:43:57 | |
What was more annoying was the | 0:43:57 | 0:43:59 | |
way people would be organised to dog my steps and to abuse me publicly. | 0:43:59 | 0:44:06 | |
CROWD SHOUTS AND JEERS | 0:44:06 | 0:44:09 | |
'They'd adopted the same tactics against O'Neill and others, | 0:44:11 | 0:44:14 | |
'and I knew it was being done in hope that, | 0:44:14 | 0:44:18 | |
'I would then get so fed up with it that I would give up.' | 0:44:18 | 0:44:21 | |
Paisley pulverised Unionism | 0:44:21 | 0:44:24 | |
and the Ulster Unionist Party, which he totally detested. | 0:44:24 | 0:44:29 | |
Trimble stood as an obstacle to Paisley's ultimate objective, | 0:44:29 | 0:44:32 | |
which was to get to the top of the heap. | 0:44:32 | 0:44:34 | |
By June 2001, | 0:44:37 | 0:44:38 | |
it was clear that the political landscape in Northern Ireland was | 0:44:38 | 0:44:42 | |
changing, and Ian Paisley's moment of real power was approaching. | 0:44:42 | 0:44:46 | |
Tony Blair was in despair at the outcome of this election. | 0:44:47 | 0:44:51 | |
He said to me, "Martin, Ian Paisley won't share power with you." | 0:44:51 | 0:44:55 | |
And I said, "Well, I don't agree with you. | 0:44:55 | 0:44:58 | |
"I think we can make it happen. | 0:44:58 | 0:45:00 | |
"It may take a year or two to do it, but I believe we can do it." | 0:45:00 | 0:45:03 | |
The leaders of Britain and Ireland now began to court Paisley and, | 0:45:04 | 0:45:08 | |
to keen-eyed insiders, it seemed as if he was beginning to soften. | 0:45:08 | 0:45:13 | |
The question was, would he now do what he had always | 0:45:13 | 0:45:16 | |
denounced as a betrayal and make a deal with republicans? | 0:45:16 | 0:45:20 | |
One of the interesting things about Ian Paisley was that, | 0:45:20 | 0:45:23 | |
I mean, he was really an outsider, | 0:45:23 | 0:45:25 | |
he was fighting against the Unionist establishment, | 0:45:25 | 0:45:28 | |
fighting against the British Government, | 0:45:28 | 0:45:30 | |
fighting obviously against Sinn Fein and republicanism. | 0:45:30 | 0:45:34 | |
'Once he then became in a position where he was responsible, | 0:45:34 | 0:45:38 | |
'then I think that altered his perspective.' | 0:45:38 | 0:45:42 | |
'I think we can't understand the man, unless we characterise his' | 0:45:42 | 0:45:47 | |
career as a constant struggle within himself between principle and power. | 0:45:47 | 0:45:52 | |
'Time and again he has to decide, | 0:45:52 | 0:45:53 | |
' "Am I staying with the principle, | 0:45:53 | 0:45:56 | |
' "or am I following the road to power?" ' | 0:45:56 | 0:45:58 | |
And time and again in his career, he decides for power. | 0:45:58 | 0:46:02 | |
In September 2004, | 0:46:02 | 0:46:04 | |
Tony Blair called all the interested parties involved in the | 0:46:04 | 0:46:07 | |
Northern Ireland peace process to | 0:46:07 | 0:46:09 | |
intensive talks at Leeds Castle in Kent, | 0:46:09 | 0:46:12 | |
including former implacable enemies - the DUP and Sinn Fein. | 0:46:12 | 0:46:17 | |
Ian Paisley brought a large delegation, | 0:46:18 | 0:46:21 | |
including his deputy Peter Robinson. | 0:46:21 | 0:46:24 | |
It was at Leeds Castle that Peter Robinson took me aside and said, | 0:46:24 | 0:46:28 | |
"If you're going to get somewhere here, | 0:46:28 | 0:46:30 | |
"the Prime Minister is going to have to cultivate Ian Paisley, | 0:46:30 | 0:46:33 | |
"get to know him, establish a relationship with him." | 0:46:33 | 0:46:36 | |
So Tony Blair went to great lengths to establish this relationship. | 0:46:36 | 0:46:39 | |
But when the talks began, it was clear to everyone that | 0:46:39 | 0:46:43 | |
Paisley was gravely ill. | 0:46:43 | 0:46:45 | |
Peace in Ireland was now hanging on the health of a 78-year-old man. | 0:46:45 | 0:46:50 | |
I have my statement. | 0:46:50 | 0:46:53 | |
At the time, he and his party wanted to play his illness down, | 0:46:53 | 0:46:57 | |
in case it was perceived as a sign of weakness. | 0:46:57 | 0:47:00 | |
Many now believe he came close to death. | 0:47:00 | 0:47:03 | |
Ian Paisley said this himself to us at one stage. | 0:47:04 | 0:47:06 | |
After he had this near-death experience - as he put it, | 0:47:06 | 0:47:09 | |
having nearly met his maker, he actually decided | 0:47:09 | 0:47:11 | |
he wanted not to be Dr No, but to be Dr Yes before he died. | 0:47:11 | 0:47:14 | |
He had made a fundamental decision that he wanted to be | 0:47:14 | 0:47:17 | |
part of the solution having, at the beginning, been part of the problem. | 0:47:17 | 0:47:21 | |
For the next three years, | 0:47:21 | 0:47:22 | |
all sides were locked in a continual round of talks. | 0:47:22 | 0:47:26 | |
They flowed back and forth as the details were painstakingly thrashed | 0:47:26 | 0:47:30 | |
out and continuing republican activity threatened to derail them. | 0:47:30 | 0:47:34 | |
At the same time, | 0:47:36 | 0:47:37 | |
Ian Paisley made several private visits to Downing Street to meet | 0:47:37 | 0:47:41 | |
Tony Blair face-to-face, without any of his colleagues - alone. | 0:47:41 | 0:47:46 | |
Well, I found him a fascinating personality | 0:47:46 | 0:47:48 | |
and, you know, we shared a strong religious belief. | 0:47:48 | 0:47:53 | |
A lot of our conversations would be about... | 0:47:53 | 0:47:55 | |
..faith, actually, as much as about the politics of the situation. | 0:47:56 | 0:48:01 | |
I remember him once asking me, | 0:48:01 | 0:48:03 | |
"What is that God would have me do in this situation?" | 0:48:03 | 0:48:07 | |
What would be his purpose? | 0:48:07 | 0:48:09 | |
And I was very reluctant to answer that really, cos I thought | 0:48:09 | 0:48:12 | |
that should be between him and his maker, as it were. | 0:48:12 | 0:48:16 | |
I think he got to Blair, I think he got under Blair's skin. | 0:48:18 | 0:48:21 | |
And of course people say, "Oh, people exploited Paisley." | 0:48:21 | 0:48:24 | |
I don't know. I think when you look at the ultimate results | 0:48:24 | 0:48:26 | |
and weigh them up, final analysis, I think my dad was pretty | 0:48:26 | 0:48:31 | |
good at exploiting others to achieve what he needed to achieve. | 0:48:31 | 0:48:35 | |
To everyone concerned, it was increasingly obvious that | 0:48:35 | 0:48:38 | |
Ian Paisley had changed his traditional uncompromising stance. | 0:48:38 | 0:48:42 | |
He was even now talking to leading Catholics. | 0:48:42 | 0:48:45 | |
Was the prospect for him of leading | 0:48:47 | 0:48:49 | |
a new Northern Ireland just too tempting? | 0:48:49 | 0:48:52 | |
They had always seen him as an outsider, and therefore, | 0:48:54 | 0:48:57 | |
they hadn't gone through the mindset to say, | 0:48:57 | 0:48:59 | |
"He's actually top-dog in Unionist circles." | 0:48:59 | 0:49:03 | |
"He is somebody who has got to be treated | 0:49:03 | 0:49:06 | |
"as the putative first minister - the first minister designate." | 0:49:06 | 0:49:11 | |
He'd always chuckle and say, "No, no, no, no," but it was quite | 0:49:11 | 0:49:15 | |
clear that he was thinking that there might be that possibility. | 0:49:15 | 0:49:19 | |
'There is such a thing as forgiveness, you know. | 0:49:20 | 0:49:25 | |
'And forgiveness rests upon a rejection of your old ways, | 0:49:25 | 0:49:30 | |
'and there's no doubt about it that Sinn Fein have done that. | 0:49:30 | 0:49:36 | |
'I have to be honest, | 0:49:36 | 0:49:38 | |
'if people repent and turn from their ways and show their repentance | 0:49:38 | 0:49:41 | |
'by not going back to the old paths, then I've got to honour them.' | 0:49:41 | 0:49:45 | |
We had one final meeting with the DUP where the whole thing | 0:49:45 | 0:49:48 | |
looked like it was going to collapse - | 0:49:48 | 0:49:50 | |
they demanded more time and we didn't think Sinn Fein or the | 0:49:50 | 0:49:53 | |
Irish Government would give more time. | 0:49:53 | 0:49:55 | |
And then we persuaded Ian Paisley that the only thing that would | 0:49:55 | 0:49:59 | |
save this would be if he would meet Gerry Adams himself. | 0:49:59 | 0:50:02 | |
And he said, "I'll think about it," and he called us | 0:50:02 | 0:50:04 | |
from Heathrow on the way back to Belfast and said, "OK, I'll do it." | 0:50:04 | 0:50:08 | |
An agreement was finally reached in March 2007. | 0:50:13 | 0:50:17 | |
At the age of 80, Paisley had done what would have been | 0:50:17 | 0:50:20 | |
unthinkable five or ten years previously, | 0:50:20 | 0:50:22 | |
let alone at the beginning of his political career | 0:50:22 | 0:50:25 | |
when he regularly preached against a Catholic republican conspiracy. | 0:50:25 | 0:50:29 | |
He was now sitting down with the people he had previously | 0:50:32 | 0:50:35 | |
branded as terrorists and murderers. | 0:50:35 | 0:50:38 | |
For some of his closest followers, this was a step too far. | 0:50:40 | 0:50:43 | |
It was a shock that I can hardly describe | 0:50:44 | 0:50:49 | |
and we were just overcome by grief. | 0:50:49 | 0:50:52 | |
I'm sure the British Government, at the end of the day, | 0:50:53 | 0:50:56 | |
had a psychological profile of the man - | 0:50:56 | 0:50:58 | |
they knew what he wanted and in the end they could capture him | 0:50:58 | 0:51:02 | |
by luring him in, by giving him what he wanted. | 0:51:02 | 0:51:05 | |
So really that was the sort of breakthrough moment | 0:51:05 | 0:51:07 | |
and that was the moment, of course, the TV chose to write the obituary | 0:51:07 | 0:51:10 | |
of the Troubles, that's when they decided the thing was finally over, | 0:51:10 | 0:51:13 | |
cos the whole negotiation had been conducted without Paisley or Adams | 0:51:13 | 0:51:16 | |
or Paisley and McGuiness actually meeting. | 0:51:16 | 0:51:19 | |
So this was a really sort of remarkable moment. | 0:51:19 | 0:51:21 | |
But in return for becoming First Minister | 0:51:21 | 0:51:24 | |
of a new Northern Ireland devolved government, | 0:51:24 | 0:51:26 | |
Ian Paisley would have to share power with his Deputy, | 0:51:26 | 0:51:30 | |
Martin McGuinness, a former leader of the IRA and convicted terrorist. | 0:51:30 | 0:51:35 | |
To the surprise of many, | 0:51:35 | 0:51:36 | |
the former bitter enemies appeared to get on rather well. | 0:51:36 | 0:51:41 | |
The local press named them "The Chuckle Brothers". | 0:51:41 | 0:51:44 | |
No change, not an inch and no surrender. | 0:51:44 | 0:51:48 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:51:48 | 0:51:49 | |
I think that people were very pleased to know that Ian Paisley | 0:51:49 | 0:51:54 | |
and I were capable of having a smile or a laugh together | 0:51:54 | 0:51:58 | |
and that indicated to the community as a whole that things | 0:51:58 | 0:52:01 | |
had definitely changed. I mean, people would have thought | 0:52:01 | 0:52:04 | |
we would have been incapable of having a good, cordial, | 0:52:04 | 0:52:09 | |
even friendly relationship. But I think we confounded all of them. | 0:52:09 | 0:52:13 | |
I remember hearing an interview in which an interviewer said to him | 0:52:13 | 0:52:17 | |
all the things that he had said about Martin McGuinness | 0:52:17 | 0:52:20 | |
and what he done and what he was involved in and really, you know, | 0:52:20 | 0:52:24 | |
painted the black picture. | 0:52:24 | 0:52:26 | |
"And here you are about to power-share with him. | 0:52:26 | 0:52:29 | |
"Do you believe that's the will of God?" | 0:52:29 | 0:52:31 | |
And I'll never forget Dr Paisley's response. | 0:52:31 | 0:52:36 | |
He said, "I hope so." | 0:52:36 | 0:52:40 | |
And I knew from that one little statement that even he could not say, | 0:52:43 | 0:52:49 | |
"I believe this is the will of God." | 0:52:49 | 0:52:52 | |
For the first time in his life, | 0:52:53 | 0:52:55 | |
Ian Paisley's flock did not follow where he led. | 0:52:55 | 0:52:59 | |
The man who had made a career out of shaming apostates | 0:52:59 | 0:53:02 | |
and turncoats was now himself accused of betrayal. | 0:53:02 | 0:53:07 | |
The Free Presbyterian Church, which he had founded and led | 0:53:07 | 0:53:11 | |
for over five decades, rejected him. | 0:53:11 | 0:53:15 | |
The personal pain it caused him and his wife Eileen was made clear | 0:53:15 | 0:53:19 | |
in the last major television interviews they gave. | 0:53:19 | 0:53:23 | |
Well, it was hurtful that that was the way they thought | 0:53:23 | 0:53:27 | |
they would treat us | 0:53:27 | 0:53:29 | |
and they did that. | 0:53:29 | 0:53:31 | |
And they will have to answer to the people | 0:53:31 | 0:53:36 | |
and they will also have to answer to God at the end of the day. | 0:53:36 | 0:53:41 | |
Our hearts were all broken for Ian, | 0:53:41 | 0:53:44 | |
the children and myself as well | 0:53:44 | 0:53:50 | |
and I felt he had been deeply wounded in the house of his friends | 0:53:50 | 0:53:55 | |
and I just felt that it was really iniquitous of them | 0:53:55 | 0:54:00 | |
and a really dreadful, hurtful, | 0:54:00 | 0:54:03 | |
nasty, ungodly, unchristian thing to do. | 0:54:03 | 0:54:07 | |
In politics, too, there now seemed to be enemies within. | 0:54:07 | 0:54:11 | |
The Democratic Unionist Party had allowed their iconic leader | 0:54:11 | 0:54:14 | |
to bring them into government, | 0:54:14 | 0:54:16 | |
trading on his unrivalled authority within Unionism to deliver a deal. | 0:54:16 | 0:54:20 | |
But a year after power-sharing was achieved, in 2008, | 0:54:20 | 0:54:24 | |
senior party members felt it was time for him to step down. | 0:54:24 | 0:54:28 | |
Paisley and his family felt betrayed. | 0:54:28 | 0:54:32 | |
In his final interview, he referred to his erstwhile friend | 0:54:32 | 0:54:35 | |
and successor, Peter Robinson, using Biblical language. | 0:54:35 | 0:54:39 | |
For once we're seeing the true nature of the beast, | 0:54:40 | 0:54:45 | |
that there was a beast here who was prepared to go forward... | 0:54:45 | 0:54:51 | |
to the destruction of the party. | 0:54:51 | 0:54:54 | |
Scriptures tell us that friends, people, | 0:54:54 | 0:54:59 | |
so-called friends are probably secret enemies. | 0:54:59 | 0:55:04 | |
Well, I think they assassinated him | 0:55:04 | 0:55:06 | |
and by their words and by their deeds | 0:55:06 | 0:55:11 | |
and by the way they treated him and I think they treated him shamefully. | 0:55:11 | 0:55:16 | |
Ian Paisley was a dominant force in British politics | 0:55:18 | 0:55:21 | |
for more than half a century. | 0:55:21 | 0:55:24 | |
But his funeral was private, conducted at his home | 0:55:24 | 0:55:27 | |
and attended only by close family. | 0:55:27 | 0:55:30 | |
It would be the final contrast in an unpredictable life story. | 0:55:30 | 0:55:35 | |
For many, the biggest contrast of all was that one man | 0:55:35 | 0:55:40 | |
could have done so much to help cause and conclude a conflict. | 0:55:40 | 0:55:45 | |
Paisley shaped Northern Ireland enormously | 0:55:45 | 0:55:48 | |
over the last 40, 50 years. | 0:55:48 | 0:55:50 | |
Without Paisley, Northern Ireland would be a very different place. | 0:55:50 | 0:55:53 | |
It might well have been a more peaceful place. | 0:55:53 | 0:55:56 | |
I think Ian Paisley did the deal in the end, because he genuinely | 0:55:58 | 0:56:00 | |
believed that if the IRA were prepared to come to a definitive end | 0:56:00 | 0:56:05 | |
to their use of violence as a tactic in the struggle, then he had to | 0:56:05 | 0:56:09 | |
respond that that was his duty, that was the will of the people. | 0:56:09 | 0:56:14 | |
Genuinely within himself, he felt that his lifelong opponents | 0:56:14 | 0:56:20 | |
had crossed the Rubicon and therefore he should cross it, too. | 0:56:20 | 0:56:24 | |
Because Captain O'Neill... | 0:56:24 | 0:56:27 | |
'I believe that the line I took was a consistent Unionist line. | 0:56:27 | 0:56:31 | |
'I believe that I never hid' | 0:56:31 | 0:56:34 | |
my light under a bushel. People knew what I was. | 0:56:34 | 0:56:37 | |
When you asked, "Who was Ian Paisley?" | 0:56:37 | 0:56:39 | |
"Oh, that guy!" They'll tell you all about him. | 0:56:39 | 0:56:42 | |
A deeply divisive figure in life, | 0:56:42 | 0:56:45 | |
Ian Paisley is likely to remain so in death. | 0:56:45 | 0:56:48 | |
The question for history will be | 0:56:48 | 0:56:50 | |
whether his final achievement outweighed what came before. | 0:56:50 | 0:56:55 | |
There will be those historians who say that he's a great man | 0:56:55 | 0:56:57 | |
because he was capable of putting | 0:56:57 | 0:57:01 | |
his whole 50-year past behind him | 0:57:01 | 0:57:06 | |
and embraced his enemy. That would be a benevolent view of history. | 0:57:06 | 0:57:11 | |
The cynical view would be | 0:57:11 | 0:57:14 | |
here is a man who accused all his political enemies of apostasy. | 0:57:14 | 0:57:19 | |
And he himself turns out to be the greatest apostate or turncoat | 0:57:19 | 0:57:25 | |
since the Emperor Julian. | 0:57:25 | 0:57:28 | |
That's the story. | 0:57:29 | 0:57:31 | |
As with other historical figures | 0:57:32 | 0:57:34 | |
that have made similar types of journey, | 0:57:34 | 0:57:36 | |
he will be remembered ultimately for the peace and not the schism, | 0:57:36 | 0:57:40 | |
which I think is to his credit and also what he deserves. | 0:57:40 | 0:57:43 | |
I am not infallible, | 0:57:43 | 0:57:46 | |
I never claimed to the Pope. | 0:57:46 | 0:57:48 | |
I just was just Ian Paisley, | 0:57:48 | 0:57:50 | |
an Ulsterman. | 0:57:50 | 0:57:53 | |
And I look back, | 0:57:53 | 0:57:56 | |
I have regrets. | 0:57:56 | 0:57:58 | |
But I have also rejoicing in my heart | 0:57:58 | 0:58:03 | |
that I kept the faith. | 0:58:03 | 0:58:05 |