Tony Benn: Labour's Lost Leader


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He was once described by the press as the most dangerous man in

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Britain. The Viscount's son, the public schoolboy, who became a

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champion of the working-class. The establishment was scared of him,

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Here was a guy, perfect manners and charm, public school, and he still

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wanted to do things for people at the bottom. A politician devoted to

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his party, but whose socialist vision nearly tore it apart. He

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managed to become an instrument of and a leader of some of the most

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destructive forces in the Labour Party. I think he will be remembered

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as one of the most significant figures the Labour has ever

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produced. His refusal to compromise on his political beliefs infuriated

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his colleagues. But having lost the argument he was left on the

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sidelines. He had been a fixer, an operator, there was no doubt he

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would have been Prime Minister. When Tony Benn left parliament it was, he

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said, to spend more time politics, and he never gave up fighting.

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Ultimately becoming something of a national treasure sure. Comrades

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this is a very remarkable achievement. I have no regretted

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whatsoever, I made mistakes, they were mistakes made because I

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believed what I was saying at the time, not because I was manoeuvring

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and manipulating for some position for myself.

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Anthony Neil wedge wedge Benn was born in 1925 to a family steeped in

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the tradition of radical non-conformism. His playground was

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Westminster, and from the start his life was intensely political. His

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grandfather was Sir John Benn, a preacher's son who became a liberal

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MP, and Tony's father, William Wedgwood Benn was a liberal until

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switching to Labour. This political ancestry was reinforced by his

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mother, herself the daughter of a liberal MP. The family was raised at

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home in Millbank, just a stone's throw from Westminster. A remarkable

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political childhood, included encounters with Oswald Mosley,

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Mahatma Gandhi, and McDonald. In 1929 when Tony was four his father

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became a member of McDonald's cabinet. Mr Wedgwood Benn, he is one

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of the young men. He is having also a task of the very greatest

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importance. He is to be the Secretary of State for India. Tony

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Benn was very unusual in British politicians, who I quite often think

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are hoesorically minded. But the political compost out of which he

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came he was very aware of and was eloquent about it. Meeting Ramsey

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McDonald as a boy. And the non-conformist descent is just as

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crucial as any version of British Associationism, it was the interplay

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between the two that made him so fascinating.

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Holidays spent at the family home on the River Blackwater in Essex were

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Hick particularly happy. Tony had a younger brother and elder brother.

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He was very close to his father, who taught them the words of a

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non-conformist hymn. Dare To Be A Daniel. It was something his dad

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said to him, it was dare to be a Daniel and dare to stand alone. I

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think he rather thought very often that message was coming through from

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the past to him. And if you thought it was right and proper you should

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stand up and say it. Benn went to Westminster School in 1938, he

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wasn't a top sol larks but was certainly a top debater, not

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surprisingly world affairs, appeasment and the imminent war were

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dominant themes. While at Westminster he learned his father

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had accepted a hereditary peerage, becoming Viscount Stansgate, an act

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that would profoundly affect Tony's life and career. After a year at

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Oxford he followed his brother into the RAF. By 1943 he was sent to

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train in in Rhodiasia, he was posted to Egypt. That was after a

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devastating event in the family as life. They were dealt a cruel blow

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in June 1944 when Michael, the eldest son was killed in a flying

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accident at an airbase in Sussex. After the war Benn returned to New

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College Oxford, now the heir to his father's title. His charisma and

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skill at public speaking saw him elected President of the Union. At

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times of war the Government creates an unlimited demand for weapons of

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destruction, for guns, stinks, aircraft and ships, and yet in times

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of peace when human needs are to be met, needs of food, clothing and

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shelter, it is possible for the economy to be thrown into one of

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these paradoxes of misery and poverty. He was one of those elder

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statesmen which you achieve the position of when you are about 24 in

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our old universities, and he was of that group. He was charming,

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eloquent, able. Much admired. In the summer of 1948 Benn met Caroline

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DeKamp, an American student attending a course at Oxford. He

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said he fell in love with a girl as soon as he saw her. She was a highly

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intelligent and rather attractive woman. I think he proposed within

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three weeks of their meeting. She accepted him. He bought the park

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bench on which he and she were sitting when he proposed. He has a

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sentimental side to him. That was a very interesting aspect of his

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character, which was not generally perceived. You are attuned to the

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general overseas service of the BBC. In 1949 Tony Benn began his career

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in the BBC, where he did just about everything from interviewing George

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Bernard Shaw to providing commentary at Wimbledon. Not very exciting

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tennis on this court at this particular moment! But at the age of

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just 25, Benn's career changed tack. He swapped the BBC for the Labour

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Party. He stood for the seat of Bristol south-east. His collection

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in November 1950 was the first day of a parliamentary career that would

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span over half a century. Right from the start, the newly elected MP knew

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that he could inherent his father's title at any moment. As a Viscount

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he would no longer be able to work as an MP. As Britain began to

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modernise Benn was just what the Labour Party needed. A clever,

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fluent performer with broadcasting experience.

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Good evening, this is our television operations room. Throughout the

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campaign the leaders of the Labour Party will be speaking directly from

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here. As Benn's career took off, he and Carl line started their own

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family -- Caroline started their own family, eventually having four

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children. But the event that Benn dreaded happened in November 1960

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when his father died. Benn felt the loss keenly. But he was also

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determined that his career in the elected chamber would not end. He

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hated the idea that because of blood you could be in a position to shape

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legislation. He couldn't stand it, he thought it is an axe crowism, he

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thought an outrage, that fuelled it. The day after his father's death the

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Speaker ordered that Benn be barred from the House of Commons. But when

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the inevitable by-election was called, Benn defiantly fought to

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retain his seat. On what grounds are you fighting the by-election? Well I

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think two grounds really, first of all the ground of personal freedom.

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Freedom for me to give up a title I don't want, and freedom for my

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constituents to choose their own member of parliament. It was

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fantastic triumph, he won with a huge majority and created a

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constitutional crisis. Despite all the threats and pressures that have

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been put upon you here in Bristol South East, you have remained

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absolutely firm to your right to choose your own member of

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parliament. That wasn't how the authorities saw it, the door keepers

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at the Commons had been told to prevent him attending, by force if

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necessary. So Benn's case was heard by the electoral court. The judgment

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went against him. His title was said to be a fixed in the blood, and his

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Conservative opponent was given the seat. But Benn refused to sit back

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and accept the ruling. It showed extraordinary persistence and

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courage, he fought back time and again. Each time he was turned down

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and he just went on. I think it was impressive. That's the kind that

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Tony Benn was extremely impressive about. That kind of terribly

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complete determination coupled with chum. Eventually the Conservative

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Government accepted the need for change. In 1963 the Peerage Bill was

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passed which allowed Benn to renounce his title. The experience

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had radicalised him, as he signalled on the night of his second

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by-election win. Anthony kneel Wedgwood Benn, 20,300, defeating the

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Tory cabinet. You have defeated the House of Lords, you have defeated

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the courts, you have changed the constitution of this country by your

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own power. The mood in the country was changing, Labour was back in

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office after a 13-year gap, and Prime Minister Harold Wilson

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appointed Benn Post Master General. Benn was in charge in late 1965 when

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the ultra modern Post Office Tower was opened by the Queen. Tony Benn

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in the 60s was clear-eyed, idealistic, something of a Boy Scout

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in the Labour movement. Very open and on the whole fairly content to

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live within the limitations that Government imposes. This is the

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Ministry of Technology, according to its boss, Tony Benn. The object of

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technology is to get more out of it, not less. He's a politician ready

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for the new era of change and development. A man who relishes the

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opportunities his job gives him. He was a technological enthusiast and

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whizzkid. Part of that was wedded to his temporary enthusiasm for Europe.

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Technological projects like Concorde were possible with European

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assistance. He believed it would develop best with European

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co-operation, and Concorde seemed to be the very image of anglo-French

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development. He wave the impression of whizzkidry as Ministry of

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Technology. The labour-intensive nature of the post-war recovery in

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western Europe was a fleeting thing, and unless the state controlled the

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application of technology it would crush people it was feared. The ship

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builders of the upper Clyde were just one group paying the price of

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technological change. It is here in Britain's decaying industrial

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heartlands that Benn's enduring political purpose began to emerge.

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You would think back a number of years ago, the finest ship builders

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in the world. Yet today we are all here begging for money off the

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Government. So in my opinion it could be management, it is

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definitely not the men. As minister for technology Benn was forced to

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talk about the difficult choices that lay ahead. Do you bring a

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message of hope? It is a moment of truth today because we have some

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harsh realities to face, I have come as a friend and not hatchet man.

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Sure enough Benn ended up pumping in lots of money to keep things going.

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Comrades most of all thank you very much for your warm welcome. I see

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all the banners about the fears of redonnedcy. My position as Minister

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For Technology drove me to think about how people could fight back

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against big organisations. Although I was involved in all sorts of

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complicated things one dealt with as a minister, my real interest was

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developing a political system that allowed people to control their own

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lives against big international companies. He always said he moved

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to the left when in office. A lot of people were thinking where is this

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man going politically. Is he really of the left, is he just pretending.

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Plenty of cynics said he was born with a silver spoon in his mouth and

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went to all the best schools and all the rest of it. And this was

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political posturing and positioning. When Labour unexpectedly lost the

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election of 1970, for Tony Benn this was Wilson's punishment for

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betraying the party's ideals. The disappointments of the Wilson

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Government he felt acutely. Unlike some in that Government he didn't

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therefore move to the centre and say we must get a progressive centre

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left consensus and not be too radical about it. He thought the

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best of the left dissenting traditions had been stifled by the

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managerial-minded Harold. And Tony, the romantic, came to the fore.

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Those two then stayed the predominant ones for the rest of his

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life. Benn's chance came in 1971 when thousands marched through the

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streets of Glasgow at the decision to end the supsidies to the Clyde

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ship builders. When the workers took over the shipyards Benn offered his

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support. We have a great speaker, a man who needs no introduction, Tony

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Wedgwood Benn! Our Our task, if we want a responsible society, is to

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give responsibility to ordinary people. And take away the privilege

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from a minority who have dominated this country for too many centuries,

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good luck comrades thank you for inviting me. That experience was a

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revelation, and it was, by anybody's measure a noble struggle. He

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actually then saw workerism applied and courageously asserted. I think

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the romantic in him met the politician in him and the result was

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that the Tony Benn of the 1970s and 80s that everybody remembers. What a

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transformation it was, always Tony Benn, no more "Anthony Wedgwood" and

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plenty of tea with the workers. He believed the working-class wanted

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him to drink out of a big mug. If possible wear a cloth cap. That's

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because he went through life immensely embarrassed by

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Westminster, New College, son of a peer, millionaire. We heard very

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little of that during his lifetime. His enemies throw that at him as if

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he didn't care or think about the lives of ordinary people. His

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background wasn't his fault. But as Nye Bevan said it is not where you

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have come from, it is where you are going. Tony and Caroline lived by

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the values they espoused. All their kids went to comprehensive schools.

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There was no critical double standard, other people can send

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their kids to commencive school and mine is to the best independent

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school, that wasn't there. Car role was his -- Carol was his rock, she

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was a strong woman. Academic in her own right. Maybe even stuffer than

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Tony. Their relationship was fundamental to his ability to carry

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on doing what he was doing, in a time when a lot of the political

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world and the media world was against him. K Benn's political

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journey to the left was encouraged every step by his wife. As Party

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Chairman he grew for radical, championing worker control and

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public ownership of industry. State intervention on a massive scale. We

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must gain democratic control over the huge and remote centres of

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irresponsible and managerial power created by the latest Industrial

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Revolution, including the multinational company. The first

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general election of 1974 saw Labour to return to office. With no

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majority it was almost powerless and Harold Wilson wanted no trouble.

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Wilson who always throughout in chess-like terms, made Tony Benn

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Minister for Industry, in the hope that the harsh realities of the

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economy would compel Tony into a more "realistic" position, Wilson's

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quote, what he would see as "moralistic position". But it didn't

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work that way, Tony saw the answer to the problems as lying greater and

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greater in state control, and planning agreements with all the

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major companies which would mean the Government was in the driving seat.

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Benn drew up a far-reaching industry bill which he believed would stop

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the rot. These 30 pages contain the most radical plan to alter British

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society attempted by any Government since the war. Will this bill damage

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the industry or bring about change. This is Tony's pitch, to grab

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Britain's economic decline by the throat, turn it round and wrench it

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in a new direction. He's just like Mrs Thatcher in this. They both

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believe out of catastrophe could come regeneration, if only people

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were bold enough to give a lead and they had confidence in theritish

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people. But the press had no confidence in Tony Benn. The

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reaction was ferocious, and not much better in cabinet. He fought very

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hard by every method he knew how to get his industry policy through.

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Despite the fact it was clear the Government was not enthusiastic

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about the idea of massive public ownership and planning agreements

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across the rest of the economy. The continual coming forward for public

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money to save industries that were almost certainly not viable began to

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irritate the cabinet. It took a lot of opposition by most of the rest of

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the cabinet to blunt it, to narrow it down. Benn also had problems

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selling the policy to his own civil servant. The Permanent Secretary,

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Sir Anthony Part was especially unhappy. Some of the policies that

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he was suggesting were pretty radical but we slogged it out

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between us. You say you slogged it out, in what way do you slog it out

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to the minister? I would say it is nonsense and I would say that is the

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way to have it. I would say OK you are the Secretary of State you want

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it that way you have it that way. He would come in storming, he would

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want to do something and have a plan for the steel industry or something,

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and he would come in and say Wilson has stopped, it, I have been to the

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cabinet today, and it's marked what he has done, the Cabinet Office has

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rung up Anthony Park what do you think of this, and he has said it is

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rubbish and Wilson would stop T The civil servants were said to be

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scared of Benn's reforming zeal. He loved to tell the Tory of a mix-up

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with his briefing documents. -- the story of a mix up with his briefing

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documents. There were three briefs, one for a Conservative victory that

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didn't occur, and the other one for the Industry Minister they hoped

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for, and one for Mr Benn and they sent me the wrong brief. So I got an

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idea of what my successor would be advised to do in order to bypass the

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Mr Benn who had been Secretary of State for Industry from March 7th to

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4th October. You couldn't have a clearer example, if you like, of why

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manipulation, and somebody forgot to cross it off and gave the wrong

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copy. The establishment was scared of him. Here was a guy with perfect

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manners and charm, grown up with a background of politics, he had grown

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up public school and still wanted to do things for people at the bottom.

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It was rather like a disciple might have been in the Bible. And the

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Messiah, and they thought of him in that way. In the Bible they were

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very worried about prophets who turned up and got the people's

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support. Harold Wilson was the man who controlled Tony Benn's

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ministerial progress, but their relationship was increasingly

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different. Benn came to dismice Wilson's manipulative style of

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leadership. Tony was more confident than Wilson, because he was of the

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purple this rich compost. His detractors would say it was an

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aristocratic arrogance, I don't think it was. It was self-confidence

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as if he was voicing the long British tradition that went back to

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the 17th century, Protestant and the levellers, those who went into power

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trouble throughout history. I think Harold Wilson thought Tony Benn was

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his natural successor. Howard represented the new Britain and Tony

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Benn in anything he did and said represented new Britain as well.

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Tony was what we call in Yorkshire, awkward, he was not a team player,

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he was difficult with Harold. Harold became more dispairing of him and

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began the demigration of him, making him into a joke. He is an ageing

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perennial youth. He immatures with age! He certainly does, he was

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terribly sensible when he was a young minister for the first time in

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the Post Office. Wilson decided to rein him in, he was backed by senior

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cabinet colleagues, and they all demanded that Benn give an

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undertaking in writing that he would stick to collective responsibility.

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An extraordinary letter in the Prime Minister's files dated November 6th

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1974, and it is Tony Benn to Harold Wilson, as part of his running row

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about collectsive responsibility. Just listen. "Dear Prime Minister I

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made it clear in my last letter that I accept the principle of collective

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responsibility as applying to all ministers. And all the requirements

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that flow from it. Yours Tony Benn". That is the minimum of what he could

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have said to satisfied Wilson. You can feel the resentment, it bursts

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out from this built of paper and it sings volumes, how he hated it.

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The rift grew wider, Britain had joined the Common Market two years

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earlier, now Benn led the cause for a referendum on whether to stay in,

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he got his way. Labour was bitterly divided and Wilson tried to limit

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the damage, cleverly, by allowing minister to do what they liked and

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campaign according to their consciences. Benn's journey to the

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left had involved a re-think on Europe. He now saw the E. C as

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deeply undemocratic, and an enemy of socialism. Wherever you look you

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find British manufacturing industry in decline. You find our capacity to

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sell our goods abroad threatened by more powerful continental

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manufacturers who have been able to get investment in their plant,

:26:55.:26:57.

denied to British workers in this country. He knew the European Union

:26:58.:27:06.

rules would stop any control of industry which he was in very much

:27:07.:27:10.

favour of. He campaigned against going into Europe, and he didn't

:27:11.:27:17.

have a chance the press wanted him to go into Europe and it became a

:27:18.:27:28.

vote for and against Benn. He has been described as "dangerous" as

:27:29.:27:36.

"devious" as "evil" as "unscrupulous" as "fanatical" as

:27:37.:27:42.

"lunatic" that is hardly a single word in the book that hasn't been

:27:43.:27:46.

thrown at him. It is the vilist campaign of misrepresentation

:27:47.:27:53.

against any politician that has been seen. They were vile to him and it

:27:54.:28:00.

scarred him. He saw it as organised by rich owners against working

:28:01.:28:06.

people of Britain and the Democratic Left condition. The yes campaign

:28:07.:28:09.

scored a massive victory on polling day. In the aftermath Benn's

:28:10.:28:14.

relations with his boss worsened. Wilson was determined to block his

:28:15.:28:18.

progress without upsetting the left. It was so obvious that Benn would

:28:19.:28:24.

highly likely to be the next Prime Minister of the Labour Party, or at

:28:25.:28:27.

least if we went into opposition the next leader and Wilson was

:28:28.:28:31.

determined to stop him. He couldn't do anything until the referendum was

:28:32.:28:37.

over. As soon as the referendum was over, he said he would clip his

:28:38.:28:41.

wings and he did, shoved him to energy. Benn did think about

:28:42.:28:46.

resigning but he decided to carry on, inheriting another set of civil

:28:47.:28:52.

servants. I got a telephone call late at night to say that I would be

:28:53.:29:00.

getting a new minister, and I was going to get Tony Benn. And I just

:29:01.:29:06.

laughed and laughed. You might say it was a form of hysteria. I don't

:29:07.:29:13.

think it was hysterical laughing. I wondered what I had done to deserve

:29:14.:29:26.

this I knew his reputation. I'm really surprised he took the job, he

:29:27.:29:42.

was so badly shaken up. Benn's prospects changed when Harold Wilson

:29:43.:29:47.

resigned, prompting a leadership election. Tony Benn offered a

:29:48.:29:50.

radical and uncompromising socialist programme. As a candidate I must

:29:51.:29:55.

make clear if anyone votes for me there will be a stronger national

:29:56.:29:59.

enterprise board, planning agreements with major companies.

:30:00.:30:04.

Government-financed investment to reequip Britain, otherwise this

:30:05.:30:07.

country, which built its strength on manufacturing industry, will bleed

:30:08.:30:11.

to death. Look at this one, sent us a bunch of heather. Despite high

:30:12.:30:16.

hopes, Benn came a disappointing fourth in the first ballot and crew

:30:17.:30:26.

withdrew from the contest. We had a meeting afterwards and everyone said

:30:27.:30:30.

you did well. I said what do we have to do, why won't they vote for me.

:30:31.:30:40.

And I said it was because he took more risks, and the party were

:30:41.:30:43.

choosing. He said we will change the rules. Under the ruse of the day it

:30:44.:30:51.

was James Callaghan who stepped into Downing Street. Callaghan did all

:30:52.:30:58.

the things Benn hated, relying on monetary policies, rather than

:30:59.:31:01.

increased state planning. Before long the unions were up in arms.

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About 1978 with Jim Callaghan as leader and Michael Foot as deputy

:31:13.:31:19.

leader. And with no majorit Tony Benn was acting on the basis that

:31:20.:31:23.

Labour would be defeated at the next election and he would be September

:31:24.:31:30.

to the leadership. By a Labour movement that insisted of having the

:31:31.:31:35.

determining right to decide who led the party. Although Benn was

:31:36.:31:39.

appalled that Britain had elected the most right-wing Tory leader in

:31:40.:31:46.

living memory, he found opposition surprisingly liberated. Politician

:31:47.:31:52.

Tony Benn, is signing copies of his latest book, arguments for

:31:53.:31:56.

socialism. He had resigned from the Shadow Cabinet immediately after the

:31:57.:32:00.

election, and enjoyed the freedom to speak and write about Labour's

:32:01.:32:05.

internal democracy, not least the excessive power of the party leader

:32:06.:32:07.

and the rejection of policies voted for by the party conference. I feel

:32:08.:32:14.

strongly that the degree of centralisation of power in the

:32:15.:32:17.

Labour Party, with the patronage put into the hand of one man is in

:32:18.:32:22.

ompatible with parliamentary democracy and unless the Labour

:32:23.:32:27.

Party is able to end personal patronage and introduce greater

:32:28.:32:30.

accountability, it wouldn't be able to fulfil its historic role as

:32:31.:32:35.

democratic party within a parliamentary democracy. Tony deeply

:32:36.:32:39.

believed in the idea of the accountability of Government to the

:32:40.:32:44.

party. Although I say he wasn't a communist, and he wasn't. That is

:32:45.:32:47.

fundamentally the Marxist belief that the Government is responsible

:32:48.:32:53.

to the party. My fundamental concept was that the Government is

:32:54.:32:57.

responsible to the people. So his whole pull was towards putting the

:32:58.:33:00.

parliamentary Labour Party under the control and authority of the

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National Executive Committee, which would have meant a party pushed well

:33:05.:33:07.

to the left, because that is where the NEC stood. The great showdown

:33:08.:33:14.

came in 1980 at the Labour conference, when the party debated

:33:15.:33:18.

Benn's plans to change the constitution. It turned tout to be

:33:19.:33:23.

an immensely bitter gathering. The atmosphere in the party was poison,

:33:24.:33:28.

people who used to go for a pint after the meeting wouldn't talk to

:33:29.:33:31.

each other. Everything was blamed on Benn. They said Tony for God's sake

:33:32.:33:37.

stop tingering with the party -- tinkering with the party, stop

:33:38.:33:41.

changing the rules, we don't care about the rule book or how many

:33:42.:33:47.

angels can dance on the pin. For God's sake tackle Thatcher, she's

:33:48.:33:52.

shutting the pits, attack her, don't waste time fiddling while Rome burns

:33:53.:33:57.

in rewriting the book of the Labour Party. Because Tony, that is not

:33:58.:34:00.

what we want. He still kept on doing it. In what he considered the best

:34:01.:34:11.

speech of his life, he listed all the promises the Labour Government

:34:12.:34:16.

had broken between 1974 and 1979. He went on to itemise the policies

:34:17.:34:20.

proposed by the trades unions which James Callaghan had allegedly

:34:21.:34:23.

refused to put into the party's election manifesto. Reflayings of

:34:24.:34:30.

public sector service spending ruled out, substantial cut in arms

:34:31.:34:35.

expenditure, ruled out, the immediate introduction of a wealth

:34:36.:34:41.

tax, ruled out. The imposition of selective import controls, ruled

:34:42.:34:44.

out. He was undoubtedly carried forward, to some extent, by the

:34:45.:34:48.

sheer excitement of his own capacity of to arouse tremendous popular

:34:49.:34:53.

feeling within the Labour Government among the activists. There was a

:34:54.:34:58.

kind of interplay between Tony and the activists. He communicated

:34:59.:35:02.

brilliantly, they responded emotionally and fiercely, and

:35:03.:35:07.

sometimes even aggressively. I think the thing drove him on. The

:35:08.:35:16.

sentiments that mobilised in his favour exists in the Labour Party

:35:17.:35:23.

and had been reinforced and remenished by interests from

:35:24.:35:29.

Trotskite elements. If he hadn't been there with his talent and

:35:30.:35:36.

background and his resolute course of action to articulate what they

:35:37.:35:44.

wanted and to give it respectability then it might have provoked some

:35:45.:35:48.

difficulties. It would have had to be dealt with, but it never would

:35:49.:35:54.

have become a source of potential disaster for the Labour Party. It is

:35:55.:36:06.

nonsense to suggest it is a Trotskite revolution. Those who made

:36:07.:36:09.

it knew it wasn't. They wanted to get him to conthem the Socialist

:36:10.:36:12.

Workers' Party or militant, because they were leading him into a trap,

:36:13.:36:22.

they wanted him to dignify the accusations they were making. The

:36:23.:36:25.

conference had been a triumph for the left over Callaghan's

:36:26.:36:29.

leadership. Nuclear disarment, and the withdrawal from the EEC were

:36:30.:36:37.

adopted as policy. And a special arrangement to debate the rules for

:36:38.:36:42.

electing party leaders. But James Callaghan suddenly resigned before

:36:43.:36:45.

that conference to take place. He was hoping MPs would elect Denis

:36:46.:36:49.

Healey, under the old rules. But they didn't. Instead they chose

:36:50.:36:54.

Michael Foot. The veteran left-winger as Labour leader. Benn

:36:55.:37:05.

and his supporters kept up their challenges that in future unions,

:37:06.:37:10.

party members and MPs would elect the party leadership. Roy gen. Ins

:37:11.:37:21.

and his gang of four were disgusted by Labour and left to form a new

:37:22.:37:33.

party, the SDP. Michael Foot and Denis Healey had an impossible task

:37:34.:37:37.

of keeping the Labour Party together. Wait until the press

:37:38.:37:45.

conference. By 1981 and his bizarre decision to run against Denis Healey

:37:46.:37:53.

for the deputy leadership of the Labour Party. That was a personal

:37:54.:37:57.

ambition and it had become a substantive force. We are on the

:37:58.:38:02.

edge of disruption and disillusion. The extreme left infiltration. The

:38:03.:38:09.

insipient SDP's defection, all the things made the future of the party

:38:10.:38:17.

in the balance. Benn knew the unions held the key to any party victory

:38:18.:38:21.

with 40% of the new Electoral College, but he needed to convince

:38:22.:38:24.

the members so that they in turn would influence their masters. He

:38:25.:38:31.

took his message across the country. You have to have a socialist

:38:32.:38:35.

perfective. The word socialist is spat out by the media as if it is a

:38:36.:38:39.

disease. They get a picture, sometimes of me, with hands out and

:38:40.:38:44.

eyes open, "socialism" they say, and children are put to bed and mother

:38:45.:38:51.

has another Ovaltine and settles down to her novel from the Boots

:38:52.:38:55.

library, and people hope it will all go away. That is not how it is

:38:56.:39:01.

pronounced. It is a socialism. It is about trying to construct a society

:39:02.:39:05.

around production and need and not just for profit. It is around

:39:06.:39:08.

meeting people's needs, that is what it is about. The fact is, he was at

:39:09.:39:15.

the head of a broad popular movement, certainly within the

:39:16.:39:20.

Labour Party and those, the establishment of the party were a

:39:21.:39:23.

small minority, protected from the wrath of the members by the block

:39:24.:39:27.

votes of the trade union leaders which they shamelessly misused. In

:39:28.:39:35.

the other corner, Denis Healey was courting the right-wing union

:39:36.:39:42.

leaders, such as Frank Chapel. All our executive members here. That's

:39:43.:39:49.

right. It was the most intensive struggle for power that I have ever

:39:50.:39:52.

witnessed in the Labour Party. We had the entire establishment of the

:39:53.:39:55.

Labour Party, and they threw at us everything you could conceivably

:39:56.:40:01.

imagine. It was a very tough time. The voting took blaze on the first

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day of the Labour conference of 1981. For sheer drama it could

:40:06.:40:11.

hardly be bettered. Handful of votes turned out to be immensely

:40:12.:40:15.

significant for Labour's future. The final decision and I will say this

:40:16.:40:18.

now, the votes have been counted three times. Tony Benn, 49. #R5 74.

:40:19.:40:35.

-- 49. A 574. Denis Healey, 50. 426. If Tony Benn had defeated Denis

:40:36.:40:42.

Healey, he would have been then the most popular politician in the

:40:43.:40:52.

country. He knew that, he saw it in the newspapers and he was prepared

:40:53.:40:55.

to risk that for hubris, that is one of the things I hold against him.

:40:56.:41:00.

Labour's troubles were about to deepen, the militant steppedcy had

:41:01.:41:06.

taken over many branches. Leadership attempts to expel them were opposed

:41:07.:41:11.

by Tony Benn and allies. Tony Benn and others were using the machine in

:41:12.:41:15.

a way I thought was absolutely scandalous. We had every month a

:41:16.:41:19.

meeting of the national executive, which instead of being a might be of

:41:20.:41:24.

the executive of the party, was turned into an absolute gift to the

:41:25.:41:29.

Daily Mail and the Express and all the most bitter enemies. They had

:41:30.:41:33.

all the journalists outside waiting for the latest meeting of the

:41:34.:41:38.

national executive to feed the kind of stuff that suited them. I would

:41:39.:41:47.

say to people who moved in to try t hopefully it will lead to expulsions

:41:48.:41:51.

but it won't succeed. I would say to people at home, particularly good

:41:52.:41:55.

Labour people, don't worry they got rid of crooks and Bevan and thought

:41:56.:41:59.

they all came back f they get rid of anyone this time they will all be

:42:00.:42:05.

back don't worry. He didn't like tyranny at all, but he would see a

:42:06.:42:17.

side to the Trotski activists, people who needed rights too.

:42:18.:42:23.

Margaret Thatcher was by now the victor of the Falklands War and

:42:24.:42:25.

called an election the following year. Labour's campaign was

:42:26.:42:36.

disastrous, its manifesto was dubbed the longest suicide note in history.

:42:37.:42:41.

For Tony Benn boundaries meant he was standing in Bristol East, much

:42:42.:42:50.

of it new territory for him. Labour calling, Tony Benn is in the road

:42:51.:42:53.

now, come along and meet him. There was a huge amount at take for Benn

:42:54.:42:59.

in this campaign. Everyone knew as soon as the elections were out of

:43:00.:43:02.

the way there will be elections for the leader of the Labour Party. If

:43:03.:43:05.

he were out of parliament he wouldn't be available as a

:43:06.:43:09.

candidate. So I think it is actually a mark of his integrity that he

:43:10.:43:17.

chose to stay in Bristol and go down with the ship. Anthony Neil Wedgwood

:43:18.:43:44.

Benn, 18,055. Jonathan Saith 19,874. I here by Claire that Jonathan Said

:43:45.:43:49.

has been elected member for the constituency. I would like to thank

:43:50.:43:53.

the people of Bristol who over a third of a century have returned me

:43:54.:43:57.

to parliament, to say how glad I am I stayed. Since nothing but the

:43:58.:44:03.

defeat and decision of the people of Bristol would ever have induce

:44:04.:44:10.

immediate to leave this city. -- induced me to leave the city. Less

:44:11.:44:14.

than a year later Benn was back, flanked by the new party leader,

:44:15.:44:18.

Neil Kinnock. He had been elected as a Labour candidate for the mining

:44:19.:44:22.

town of Chesterfield. His old rival, Denis Healey, had also come to give

:44:23.:44:39.

him his support. Tony without Benn is like Torvill without Dean! After

:44:40.:44:46.

an unpleasant few weeks and a vicious press campaign, Benn won the

:44:47.:44:58.

seat. Anthony Neil Wedgwood Benn, 24,733.

:44:59.:45:03.

# It's here we go # Here we go

:45:04.:45:08.

# All the women of the working-class Once again he found common cause

:45:09.:45:13.

with the nation's workers, as the miners' went on strike based on

:45:14.:45:20.

Thatcher's policies. I think she's a brutal woman, following policies of

:45:21.:45:26.

bash barrism which are impossible. I first met Benn during the Miners'

:45:27.:45:31.

Strike, and that was how I was politic sized. I was going up and

:45:32.:45:38.

doing gigs in the coalfields taking part in the demonstrations and there

:45:39.:45:42.

were platform speakers and Tony was prominent. He always seemed the most

:45:43.:45:46.

approachable of the whole generation of politicians. There were those who

:45:47.:45:58.

supported Scargill the leader of the unis and those who didn't support

:45:59.:46:02.

him. Benn supported Scargill. He was a man of principle, sometimes that

:46:03.:46:06.

became more important to him than the party. This was a battle Benn

:46:07.:46:13.

couldn't win. And the defeat of the miners only deepened the split in

:46:14.:46:17.

the Labour Party between the left and the right. Kinnock now decided

:46:18.:46:22.

to face down the left. But Benn continued to oppose him, not least

:46:23.:46:26.

on policies made popular by Mrs Thatcher, including the right of

:46:27.:46:30.

council tenants to buy their homes. Tony said in the course of the low,

:46:31.:46:36.

these are not the tenants' houses to buy. These are the communities'

:46:37.:46:41.

houses, I have to say to him, Tony, on the day when you start paying a

:46:42.:46:45.

mortgage or rent you will have some authority on the subject. Until then

:46:46.:46:50.

you have none. Let's have the vote. And we had the vote and won by one.

:46:51.:46:58.

It was incandescent at the superficiality and the patronising

:46:59.:47:03.

attitude that was voiced in good conscience by a decent man. But

:47:04.:47:13.

utterly misguided. Labour's third election defeat in a row game in

:47:14.:47:18.

1987, Kinnock was convinced the party hadn't changed enough. Benn

:47:19.:47:22.

was convinced it had changed far too much and now needed to return to

:47:23.:47:26.

unmistakenly socialist policies. The impression created now, and I will

:47:27.:47:30.

be blunt with you, is the Labour Party at the top is in panic-striken

:47:31.:47:36.

route and is anxious to say anything to pick up votes. They kept on

:47:37.:47:46.

making the same speeches like Barbra Streisand, they were be wonderful

:47:47.:47:49.

and everybody loved them but you don't want to keep putting on her

:47:50.:47:54.

records, and it became like that. People don't know what the Labour

:47:55.:48:03.

Party is about at all. Such was his anger that Tony Benn decided after

:48:04.:48:07.

some hesitation to challenge Kinnock for the leadership. He said to me

:48:08.:48:16.

when I vine invited him not to do that. He said all those who loved me

:48:17.:48:22.

said not to. You can add me to that list. We recognised we would be

:48:23.:48:27.

soundly beaten. And so he was, Kinnock and Hattersly trounces the

:48:28.:48:33.

others, years later he expressed contempt for the victor. I would

:48:34.:48:37.

have been utterly ashamed if I followed the course of Neil Kinnock,

:48:38.:48:41.

giving up everything I believed in to get the leadership and having

:48:42.:48:45.

done so nobody believed a word you said. Had no regrets, I made

:48:46.:48:50.

mistake, but they were mistakes made because I believed what I was saying

:48:51.:48:55.

at the time. Not because I was manoeuvring or manipulating a

:48:56.:48:59.

position for myself. I don't know how great the regrets were that he

:49:00.:49:03.

didn't do more. That the party he thought was the only one that could

:49:04.:49:09.

transform a society and its economy in a beneficial direction didn't

:49:10.:49:18.

have more purchase in his era. Margaret Thatcher so changed the

:49:19.:49:22.

terms of political debate that the left gave away so much ground all in

:49:23.:49:33.

a the rough. I know he felt that. Who would like the House of Lords?!

:49:34.:49:39.

By the time Tony Benn celebrated his 70th birthday, he was still

:49:40.:49:42.

campaigning on the issues that matter to him. Against the drift of

:49:43.:49:55.

the party. For Benn the advent of new Labour was another lurch to the

:49:56.:49:59.

right. It may have been electorally successful, but the concentration of

:50:00.:50:09.

power in the leadership was an neath ma anathema to him. When I look and

:50:10.:50:13.

new Labour, I wonder was it not trying to light a bonfire on a

:50:14.:50:18.

frozen late. Looking very nice but you melted away your own support.

:50:19.:50:22.

The man who once held the party conference in the calm of his hand

:50:23.:50:25.

now looked on from the sidelines. But he did manage to reach new

:50:26.:50:30.

audiences. So why do they call it the welfare state, is it because it

:50:31.:50:47.

is "welfare". We have -- well F air. Unemployment benefit is wicked, you

:50:48.:50:52.

get something for doing nothing. Why would you do nothing? You are

:50:53.:50:56.

chilling. This idea that if you are unemployed you are lazy, it is

:50:57.:51:00.

rubbish. I think that interview with Ali G did me more good with sixth

:51:01.:51:04.

formers than anything that has ever happened. They all enjoyed it all,

:51:05.:51:09.

so did I. Maximum respect gone out to my main man. Typically he took

:51:10.:51:15.

the whole episode in the best spirit. After 50 years at the heart

:51:16.:51:24.

of the Labour Party, personal tragedy brought him to stand down in

:51:25.:51:29.

2001. His wife Caroline fell ill with cancer, they made the decision

:51:30.:51:33.

to try to enjoy every remaining moment. He phoned me up and usually

:51:34.:51:43.

he's not someone to talk about personal things. He was on for 40

:51:44.:51:47.

minutes talking about the devastation of her condition and her

:51:48.:51:56.

illness. He was broken hearted. She taught me how to live and how to

:51:57.:52:00.

die. And you cannot ask any more of anyone than that. Loving, caring,

:52:01.:52:05.

thoughtful, critical, when necessary, always understanding and

:52:06.:52:12.

always forgiving. To have had the good fortune and privilege of living

:52:13.:52:15.

with her and learning from her for so long made her the centre piece of

:52:16.:52:20.

my life and the life of all my family. We discussed my decision --

:52:21.:52:28.

We discussed my decision not to stand again for Chesterfield before

:52:29.:52:32.

she died, it was her suggestion that I should explain it and say I was

:52:33.:52:38.

giving up parliament to devote for time to politics. He found no

:52:39.:52:46.

greater cause in later life than the coalition against the war in Iraq,

:52:47.:52:49.

he was there among the record crowds in London in 200 #. 3. Please give

:52:50.:53:00.

the warmest welcome for Tony Benn. Friends, we are here today to found

:53:01.:53:08.

a new political movement, worldwide. The biggest demonstration ever in

:53:09.:53:17.

Britain, the first global demonstration and the first cause is

:53:18.:53:21.

to prevent a war against Iraq. Benn took his antiwar campaign right into

:53:22.:53:26.

Baghdad. Where he met Saddam Hussein, just a few weeks before the

:53:27.:53:36.

allied invasion. Iraq featured frequently in his hugely popular

:53:37.:53:43.

one-man show. And Benn found himself treated as a political sage. I think

:53:44.:53:48.

democracy is a do it yourself business. There was a Chinese

:53:49.:53:53.

philosopher I read about who lived many years before the birth of

:53:54.:53:55.

Christ. He was asked about leadership, and this is what he

:53:56.:54:00.

said, he said "as to the best leaders, the people do not notice

:54:01.:54:14.

their existence, and that is what we need". The audiences were Laura

:54:15.:54:18.

Ashley, you could see them thinking, he has a point. A lot of them were

:54:19.:54:25.

nowhere near him in his politics, but he was extraordinary like that.

:54:26.:54:32.

When I do my diary overnight as I do, I am so depressed by the papers

:54:33.:54:36.

that I can't think, and sometimes when I consider the possibilities at

:54:37.:54:40.

our disposal, I get so thrilled that I wonder if it is good if someone at

:54:41.:54:46.

nigh age can get as excited as I do. Thank you very much indeed.

:54:47.:54:55.

The politicians politician is... Hillary Benn. Seeing son Hillary

:54:56.:55:01.

respected by opponents and promoted to cabinet rank gave Tony Benn

:55:02.:55:06.

enormous pleasure, this was the fourth generation of Benns in

:55:07.:55:10.

parliament, and the third at the cabinet table. This ises had moment,

:55:11.:55:15.

can I say a word about him, he's only 52 and I'm going to give him a

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hug. Welcome to Leftfield and we're very pleased to have Tony with us.

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He has been almost... . My abiding memory will be how he wowed the

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crowds at glassedry. Reputation -- Glastonbury. His reputation seemed

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to transcend the generations. I don't protest I demand what we want.

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It is clear someone like him wouldn't find place in contemporary

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politics. But he found a place in the heart of the British people and

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I think that's sort of like casting a poor light on the way we do

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politic today. Please give real Trafalgar Square welcome to Tony

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Benn. Despite failing health, Benn, ever the politician, refused to keep

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quiet and carried on campaigning throughout his retirement. Comrades

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this is a very remarkable occasion, never forget that the British Labour

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movement has always been in favour of peace.

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As a member of the human race, it is as members of the human race we need

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to respond. I believe the inspiration he gave us will allow us

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to do just that. I express my deepest gratitude to him and all

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those who work with him. By the end of his life Tony Benn had become the

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voice of the nation's conscience, hugely admired for his principles in

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a way he never managed as a politician. I think British politics

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would have been different,s and most of the time poorer. Without Tony

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Benn. For me it would have been rather easier and more convenient.

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He will be remembered by people who take politics seriously as the

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totally irresponsible. He had no consistent view of what policy

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should be, he was immensely concerned with his own image and

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status. He was a bad team player and probably more than anybody else

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responsible for peopling the Labour Party out of Government between 1979

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and 1997. No-one can take away from him the extraordinary impact and

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galvanising effect he had on the party and the country to some extent

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in the 1970s and early 80s. He was an inspirational figure who might,

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had he been elected leader, have changed the tide of British

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politics. I'm pretty convinced that Tony Benn thought to his dying day,

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that what he believed motivated people and what mattered to

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societies would prevail. He was a prophet as much as politician. Just

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think how much the poorer the national British political

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conversation would have been without him. From 1950 right to the moment

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he died. And you can't say that of many people.

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