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When I was a little boy, I lived in grey suburbia | 0:00:04 | 0:00:07 | |
in a large Irish family, where my dad was boss. | 0:00:07 | 0:00:10 | |
MUSIC: Get It On by T.Rex | 0:00:10 | 0:00:12 | |
# So come on, feel the noise... # | 0:00:12 | 0:00:15 | |
Watching Top Of The Pops on Thursdays | 0:00:15 | 0:00:16 | |
was where I learned to be a real man. | 0:00:16 | 0:00:19 | |
# He'll steal your woman out from under your nose... # | 0:00:19 | 0:00:22 | |
The glam rockers were my only hope. | 0:00:22 | 0:00:24 | |
But even they seemed to be finding their way. | 0:00:24 | 0:00:27 | |
# We just haven't got a clue what to do. # | 0:00:27 | 0:00:30 | |
Steve Priest wasn't the only one. | 0:00:30 | 0:00:31 | |
MUSIC: I Feel Love by Donna Summer | 0:00:31 | 0:00:34 | |
In the '70s, nobody knew what to do about Britain. | 0:00:34 | 0:00:37 | |
The economy was in tatters. | 0:00:37 | 0:00:39 | |
Industry was in decline. | 0:00:39 | 0:00:40 | |
Governments changed like traffic lights. | 0:00:40 | 0:00:43 | |
There were fears about terrorism, immigration and fascism. | 0:00:43 | 0:00:47 | |
We joined Europe and then we wanted out. | 0:00:47 | 0:00:50 | |
This is a film about how the '70s shaped me. | 0:00:50 | 0:00:53 | |
It's my story, but it's also Britain's. | 0:00:53 | 0:00:56 | |
I didn't watch the news | 0:00:56 | 0:00:58 | |
but if I'd known what I know now, I would've moved to Mars. | 0:00:58 | 0:01:01 | |
I was busy learning about the important stuff - | 0:01:01 | 0:01:04 | |
about David Bowie and Marc Bolan, | 0:01:04 | 0:01:06 | |
dressing up and going out and coming out - | 0:01:06 | 0:01:09 | |
and racing towards a fateful day at the BBC. | 0:01:09 | 0:01:12 | |
On September the 30th 1982, | 0:01:15 | 0:01:18 | |
there was a disaster at Top Of The Pops. | 0:01:18 | 0:01:20 | |
It was Shakin' Stevens. He couldn't make it. | 0:01:20 | 0:01:24 | |
Me and my band were very available. | 0:01:24 | 0:01:27 | |
For the first time on Top Of The Pops, it's Culture Club. | 0:01:27 | 0:01:30 | |
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE | 0:01:30 | 0:01:32 | |
# Give me time... # | 0:01:32 | 0:01:35 | |
'In three minutes and 22 seconds, | 0:01:36 | 0:01:38 | |
'my arched eyebrows caused national alarm and confusion. | 0:01:38 | 0:01:42 | |
'My make-up outraged the press.' | 0:01:42 | 0:01:45 | |
"It called itself a boy, but was it a girl?" | 0:01:45 | 0:01:48 | |
Civilisation was in grave danger. | 0:01:48 | 0:01:51 | |
# Do you really want to hurt me? # | 0:01:53 | 0:01:57 | |
'Our song went to number one in Britain and many other countries. | 0:01:57 | 0:02:02 | |
'It was 1982 and the start of a life with and without Culture Club - | 0:02:02 | 0:02:07 | |
'love, money, drugs, fame and more drama.' | 0:02:07 | 0:02:12 | |
People got to know me in the 1980s, | 0:02:12 | 0:02:14 | |
but my journey from boy to Boy George really began in the 1970s. | 0:02:14 | 0:02:18 | |
This programme contains some strong language | 0:02:20 | 0:02:27 | |
They say the past is another country. | 0:02:29 | 0:02:32 | |
These days, I spend a lot of time living in another country. | 0:02:32 | 0:02:36 | |
Being here in America, it feels easier to have some perspective | 0:02:37 | 0:02:40 | |
on the Britain and the decade I grew up in. | 0:02:40 | 0:02:43 | |
For some people, it's a taste or a smell that triggers memories. | 0:02:45 | 0:02:48 | |
For me, it's always music. | 0:02:50 | 0:02:52 | |
A good record shop is like a time machine. | 0:02:52 | 0:02:55 | |
These days, records are for hipsters, | 0:02:55 | 0:02:58 | |
but back in the '70s, they were all we had. | 0:02:58 | 0:03:01 | |
Ah-ha-ha! | 0:03:01 | 0:03:03 | |
The thing about vinyl... | 0:03:03 | 0:03:06 | |
is it takes you back to a moment in time. | 0:03:06 | 0:03:08 | |
You know, these are like memories. | 0:03:08 | 0:03:11 | |
A talisman. These are sacred objects. | 0:03:11 | 0:03:14 | |
To the people of my generation, these are sacred objects. | 0:03:14 | 0:03:17 | |
MUSIC: Love Story by Shirley Bassey | 0:03:17 | 0:03:20 | |
# Where do I begin... # | 0:03:21 | 0:03:24 | |
-This is where -I -began. | 0:03:24 | 0:03:26 | |
Eltham, in south-east London. | 0:03:26 | 0:03:28 | |
In 1970, I was nine years old. | 0:03:30 | 0:03:33 | |
But even at that age, my world was sparkling! | 0:03:33 | 0:03:36 | |
When the family were out, I was alone with a hairbrush microphone. | 0:03:36 | 0:03:41 | |
And throwing her arms around was Shirley Bassey. | 0:03:41 | 0:03:44 | |
In this very living room, I fell in love with Shirley Bassey, | 0:03:46 | 0:03:50 | |
and the idea of, kind of, being a performer. | 0:03:50 | 0:03:53 | |
You know, I loved the whole drama of it. | 0:03:53 | 0:03:55 | |
In the '70s, we were very typical of a lot of families. | 0:03:55 | 0:03:58 | |
My dad ruled the roost. | 0:03:58 | 0:04:01 | |
He went out to work, my mum was supposed to cook, clean, | 0:04:01 | 0:04:03 | |
run the house. | 0:04:03 | 0:04:05 | |
And I think one of the reasons I love Shirley so much is because | 0:04:05 | 0:04:08 | |
my mum, you know, was kind of, you know, like a normal housewife, | 0:04:08 | 0:04:13 | |
and never got a chance to be glamorous. | 0:04:13 | 0:04:16 | |
So I really became quite obsessed with glamorous, | 0:04:16 | 0:04:18 | |
strong women like Shirley Bassey, Joan Collins - people like that, | 0:04:18 | 0:04:24 | |
that were, like, glamorous and, you know, got their own way. | 0:04:24 | 0:04:27 | |
That's never really changed! HE LAUGHS | 0:04:27 | 0:04:29 | |
MUSIC: Low Rider by War | 0:04:29 | 0:04:32 | |
Right from the start, I needed glamour. | 0:04:32 | 0:04:35 | |
Eltham Green Secondary was never going to appeal. | 0:04:35 | 0:04:39 | |
Mum had to drag me out of bed and push me out the door every morning. | 0:04:39 | 0:04:42 | |
Mum still lives in the house we moved into in 1974. | 0:04:44 | 0:04:48 | |
-TV: -'It's one of the nation's newest giant comprehensives and, in fact, | 0:04:48 | 0:04:52 | |
'a school of tomorrow for the children of today.' | 0:04:52 | 0:04:54 | |
In the '70s, teachers just didn't like kids. | 0:04:54 | 0:04:57 | |
If you came from a certain type of family, | 0:04:57 | 0:05:00 | |
you were marked the minute you went into school. | 0:05:00 | 0:05:02 | |
My older brother had been arrested, you know, he'd been arrested | 0:05:02 | 0:05:05 | |
for stealing lead off the school roof where I went to. | 0:05:05 | 0:05:08 | |
So the minute I went to school, it was like, | 0:05:08 | 0:05:10 | |
"You're an O'Dowd - you're trouble." | 0:05:10 | 0:05:12 | |
They don't want you to have a personality. | 0:05:12 | 0:05:14 | |
They don't want you to be an individual. They want you to shut up. | 0:05:14 | 0:05:17 | |
And, you know, as you can see... | 0:05:17 | 0:05:19 | |
And unfortunately, Georgie could not shut up. | 0:05:19 | 0:05:21 | |
HE CHUCKLES Never! | 0:05:21 | 0:05:22 | |
Me and some of the friends I'd yet to meet didn't really fit into | 0:05:26 | 0:05:30 | |
the great comprehensive education experiment of the 1970s. | 0:05:30 | 0:05:34 | |
At the time, particularly in the comprehensive system, | 0:05:34 | 0:05:37 | |
the idea was that you were factory fodder | 0:05:37 | 0:05:39 | |
and it didn't matter whether you were taught or not. | 0:05:39 | 0:05:41 | |
There were boy lessons and girl lessons. | 0:05:41 | 0:05:44 | |
No gender-bending allowed. | 0:05:44 | 0:05:46 | |
I remember going to see the careers officer and saying, | 0:05:46 | 0:05:48 | |
"Oh, maybe I could be a make-up artist!" And I remember them saying, | 0:05:48 | 0:05:51 | |
"Mr O'Dowd, you need to be more practical and realistic." | 0:05:51 | 0:05:55 | |
I wasn't allowed to take woodwork, | 0:05:55 | 0:05:57 | |
because girls didn't do woodwork. | 0:05:57 | 0:06:00 | |
But I was allowed to do home economics, | 0:06:00 | 0:06:02 | |
cos that's what girls did. | 0:06:02 | 0:06:05 | |
Home economics. | 0:06:05 | 0:06:07 | |
We were geared up to cleaning ovens and baking | 0:06:07 | 0:06:11 | |
a Victoria sponge. It was really quite archaic. | 0:06:11 | 0:06:13 | |
'In the commerce class, for example, | 0:06:13 | 0:06:16 | |
'there's no frantic squabbling over one battered old typewriter.' | 0:06:16 | 0:06:19 | |
That's the other thing about the '70s - you could still get hit. | 0:06:19 | 0:06:22 | |
-That was the other thing. -No, I don't... They can't do it now. | 0:06:22 | 0:06:24 | |
-No, in the '70s, darling. -Oh, yeah, yeah. | 0:06:24 | 0:06:26 | |
We got caned on a regular basis. It's so barbaric. | 0:06:26 | 0:06:29 | |
What does that teach you? | 0:06:29 | 0:06:31 | |
-That you hit people - that's how you get your way. It's awful. -Yeah. | 0:06:31 | 0:06:35 | |
People were terrified. | 0:06:35 | 0:06:36 | |
Outside in the real world, things were tough. | 0:06:38 | 0:06:42 | |
But me and my friends weren't interested in current affairs. | 0:06:42 | 0:06:45 | |
The '70s did have a drabness attached to it, | 0:06:45 | 0:06:49 | |
which seems to be a thing that sort of escaped me, somehow. | 0:06:49 | 0:06:52 | |
I wasn't particularly aware of how difficult things were. | 0:06:52 | 0:06:55 | |
There was just always a crisis. | 0:06:55 | 0:06:58 | |
Funnily enough, I don't remember a whole lot about that. | 0:06:58 | 0:07:00 | |
It seemed Britain was on the edge. | 0:07:00 | 0:07:03 | |
Money had to come from foreign banks to bail us out. | 0:07:03 | 0:07:07 | |
I want to speak to you simply and plainly | 0:07:09 | 0:07:12 | |
about the grave emergency now facing our country. | 0:07:12 | 0:07:15 | |
Everyone was saying the unions were running the country. | 0:07:15 | 0:07:18 | |
But the first I knew about politics was the miners' strike, | 0:07:18 | 0:07:21 | |
when all the lights went out. | 0:07:21 | 0:07:23 | |
When you're a kid and the lights go off, it's actually quite exciting. You can get away with more! | 0:07:25 | 0:07:29 | |
HE CHUCKLES | 0:07:29 | 0:07:30 | |
I mean, things like Edward Heath, you know, obviously, the miners... | 0:07:30 | 0:07:33 | |
I remember the rubbish strikes. You know, there was all that. | 0:07:33 | 0:07:36 | |
But it was kind of going on, you know, | 0:07:36 | 0:07:38 | |
with all the things, you know, like music, | 0:07:38 | 0:07:40 | |
and all the things that excited me. They were more important to me. | 0:07:40 | 0:07:43 | |
I was more interested in myself. | 0:07:43 | 0:07:45 | |
It's a terrible thing to admit, really. | 0:07:47 | 0:07:49 | |
We are limiting the use of electricity by almost all factories, | 0:07:52 | 0:07:56 | |
shops and offices to three days a week. | 0:07:56 | 0:08:00 | |
You didn't really get much notice that there was going to be a cut | 0:08:00 | 0:08:03 | |
and it was a mad rush to the local shop, you know, to see | 0:08:03 | 0:08:05 | |
who could get there first, you know, | 0:08:05 | 0:08:07 | |
to buy up all the candles. | 0:08:07 | 0:08:08 | |
If you had a camping stove, you'd fire it up and have | 0:08:08 | 0:08:11 | |
some hot baked beans and it'd be a bit of an adventure. | 0:08:11 | 0:08:15 | |
I'm trying to remember what the hell we did, | 0:08:15 | 0:08:17 | |
you know, with the candles. You'd go to bed! | 0:08:17 | 0:08:19 | |
The economy was in crisis | 0:08:19 | 0:08:20 | |
and unemployment was the worst since the War. | 0:08:20 | 0:08:23 | |
We cannot solve these problems with a divided and embittered nation. | 0:08:23 | 0:08:28 | |
There seemed to be no kind of hope, | 0:08:28 | 0:08:31 | |
you know, like, for you, and there was a lack of jobs. | 0:08:31 | 0:08:34 | |
The company my father worked for kind of went under. | 0:08:34 | 0:08:36 | |
It was happening everywhere. | 0:08:36 | 0:08:37 | |
There was a lot of talk about being on the dole. | 0:08:37 | 0:08:40 | |
My peers would talk about it like that's what they were going to do, | 0:08:40 | 0:08:43 | |
because that's what their parents did. | 0:08:43 | 0:08:44 | |
Of course, I was one of them, on the dole. | 0:08:44 | 0:08:46 | |
You went to the job centre and you got, like, 12 quid. | 0:08:46 | 0:08:49 | |
Whoopee(!) | 0:08:49 | 0:08:51 | |
I was only interested in my music - | 0:08:51 | 0:08:54 | |
an obsession I inherited from my older brother, Richard. | 0:08:54 | 0:08:58 | |
It was really Richard that had all the Bowie records. | 0:08:58 | 0:09:02 | |
And I remember when Bowie did the Ziggy thing, | 0:09:02 | 0:09:04 | |
Richard kind of went off him a bit and went more to Alice Cooper, | 0:09:04 | 0:09:07 | |
so it was a bit darker. So I inherited Bowie. | 0:09:07 | 0:09:10 | |
Oh, my God. The record of all records! | 0:09:14 | 0:09:17 | |
"He swallowed his pride and puckered his lips | 0:09:17 | 0:09:20 | |
"Showed me the leather belt round his hips." | 0:09:20 | 0:09:22 | |
I fancied him a little bit in this period. He was quite cute. | 0:09:22 | 0:09:25 | |
HE CHUCKLES | 0:09:25 | 0:09:27 | |
# In the corner of the morning in the past. # | 0:09:27 | 0:09:31 | |
When my brother Richard gave me Bowie's album | 0:09:31 | 0:09:33 | |
The Man Who Sold The World, I literally wore it out. | 0:09:33 | 0:09:35 | |
My God. | 0:09:37 | 0:09:39 | |
Bowie was unique because he was so contradictory in every way. | 0:09:39 | 0:09:43 | |
Cos he wasn't like the archetypal kind of homosexual or bisexual. | 0:09:43 | 0:09:48 | |
He wasn't really even that, I don't think. | 0:09:48 | 0:09:50 | |
I don't think... I don't know what he was. | 0:09:50 | 0:09:52 | |
MUSIC: Starman by David Bowie | 0:09:52 | 0:09:55 | |
But for me, yeah, he was everything. | 0:09:55 | 0:09:57 | |
Absolutely everything. | 0:09:58 | 0:09:59 | |
# I lean back on my radio-oh-oh... # | 0:09:59 | 0:10:04 | |
The album came out in 1972 | 0:10:04 | 0:10:06 | |
and that summer, I first saw the alien land on Top Of The Pops. | 0:10:06 | 0:10:11 | |
It was a lightbulb moment. | 0:10:11 | 0:10:13 | |
The seminal moment of revelation. | 0:10:16 | 0:10:18 | |
# There's a star man waiting in the sky... # | 0:10:18 | 0:10:24 | |
Seeing Bowie doing Starman was a major moment. | 0:10:24 | 0:10:29 | |
It was aligned to landing on the moon, the Space Race. | 0:10:29 | 0:10:33 | |
All this technology that was going on. | 0:10:33 | 0:10:37 | |
# I had to phone someone so I picked on you... # | 0:10:37 | 0:10:40 | |
You were like, "Oh, wow, this is the alien. This is the outsider." | 0:10:40 | 0:10:45 | |
And I already knew that I was an outsider. | 0:10:45 | 0:10:47 | |
I was a gay teenager. | 0:10:47 | 0:10:49 | |
I could link in with David Bowie straightaway. | 0:10:49 | 0:10:51 | |
If you did feel like you were somewhat on the outside of | 0:10:51 | 0:10:54 | |
things, suddenly you belonged to, like, the world of Ziggy Stardust. | 0:10:54 | 0:10:59 | |
# He told us not to blow it | 0:10:59 | 0:11:01 | |
# Cos he knows it's all worthwhile. # | 0:11:01 | 0:11:04 | |
I remember feeling intimidated on some level | 0:11:04 | 0:11:06 | |
and at the same time fascinated. | 0:11:06 | 0:11:08 | |
It was like, "My God, I want a lifestyle like that. And I want to be like that." | 0:11:08 | 0:11:13 | |
# I hear the sound... # | 0:11:13 | 0:11:17 | |
Hardly any stardust reached Eltham but my brother and his mates were | 0:11:17 | 0:11:21 | |
always slipping off to a place that sounded a bit like Las Vegas. | 0:11:21 | 0:11:25 | |
When rock stars came to south London, this is where they | 0:11:27 | 0:11:29 | |
came to, Lewisham Odeon, which is now a pile of bricks. | 0:11:29 | 0:11:33 | |
Why did they knock it down? | 0:11:35 | 0:11:36 | |
Awful sacrilege. I came to see Rod Stewart and the Faces here. | 0:11:36 | 0:11:41 | |
I came to see David Essex, Blackfoot Sue, Chuck Berry. | 0:11:41 | 0:11:44 | |
I mean, I was always here. | 0:11:44 | 0:11:46 | |
If I wasn't at a gig, I'd be at the back of the stage, | 0:11:46 | 0:11:49 | |
hovering, in the hope that I would see someone famous. | 0:11:49 | 0:11:54 | |
The biggest gig I ever saw here was in 1972 when I | 0:11:54 | 0:11:56 | |
was 11 and 11 months old | 0:11:56 | 0:11:57 | |
and that was Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars, | 0:11:57 | 0:12:01 | |
which for me was a life-defining moment. | 0:12:01 | 0:12:03 | |
It really changed everything for me. | 0:12:03 | 0:12:05 | |
# The films that I made... # | 0:12:05 | 0:12:07 | |
Even from the back of Lewisham Odeon, David Bowie was bigger | 0:12:07 | 0:12:11 | |
than he'd been on TV. He created an extraordinary landscape. | 0:12:11 | 0:12:15 | |
He wore make-up and said he was bisexual. | 0:12:15 | 0:12:19 | |
# Suck, baby, suck | 0:12:19 | 0:12:21 | |
# Give me your head... # | 0:12:21 | 0:12:23 | |
He wasn't ordinary. He was all-powerful, a superhero. | 0:12:23 | 0:12:27 | |
I knew Ziggy Stardust was the character | 0:12:27 | 0:12:29 | |
and David Bowie was the performer. | 0:12:29 | 0:12:31 | |
The clothes and the make-up gave him an edge but when | 0:12:31 | 0:12:35 | |
he took them off, he was just a boy from south London like me. | 0:12:35 | 0:12:38 | |
Turned out we lived on the same bus route. | 0:12:38 | 0:12:41 | |
My older brother, Richard, sent me to the chemist | 0:12:41 | 0:12:44 | |
to develop some Kodak film and I think | 0:12:44 | 0:12:47 | |
I was allowed to get some sweets with some of the change. | 0:12:47 | 0:12:50 | |
So I went off to the local shops in Middle Park with this film | 0:12:50 | 0:12:55 | |
and I got to the chemist and I was standing outside and I was | 0:12:55 | 0:12:58 | |
chatting to some friends and it was a really hot day. | 0:12:58 | 0:13:01 | |
It was about 11 in the morning and as I was talking to these | 0:13:01 | 0:13:04 | |
friends of mine, I turned around and there was a bus | 0:13:04 | 0:13:08 | |
and it said Beckenham and I was like... | 0:13:08 | 0:13:11 | |
"Oh! A bus from Eltham goes to Beckenham," and I just jumped on it. | 0:13:11 | 0:13:15 | |
All the fans knew that David Bowie lived in Beckenham. | 0:13:15 | 0:13:18 | |
My friends Jo and Danny have come with me to tread the holy ground. | 0:13:18 | 0:13:22 | |
Everyone knew that inside David and Angie lolled about in velvet | 0:13:25 | 0:13:29 | |
jumpsuits, eating space food and getting visits from Lou Reed. | 0:13:29 | 0:13:33 | |
I'm sure it was there. I know it was on this main road. | 0:13:33 | 0:13:36 | |
I think this is it. This is where it was. | 0:13:38 | 0:13:40 | |
-So, this would have been the back garden... -Wow! -This area. | 0:13:40 | 0:13:43 | |
The house was kind of like an Edwardian mansion block. | 0:13:43 | 0:13:46 | |
He had a flat in it. | 0:13:46 | 0:13:47 | |
You could see washing on the line so we were contemplating getting over | 0:13:47 | 0:13:50 | |
and nicking some clothes. "Maybe there's Bowie's pants or something." | 0:13:50 | 0:13:53 | |
And we were sitting outside most of the day and at some point in | 0:13:53 | 0:13:58 | |
the afternoon, Angie opened one of the windows and was like, | 0:13:58 | 0:14:00 | |
"Why don't you all just fuck off?" And we were like, "Oh, my God." | 0:14:00 | 0:14:04 | |
It was like acknowledgement. It was the highlight of our year. | 0:14:04 | 0:14:07 | |
But this place is not recognisable. | 0:14:07 | 0:14:10 | |
The following summer, Ziggy was dead, | 0:14:10 | 0:14:13 | |
killed off on stage at the Hammersmith Odeon. | 0:14:13 | 0:14:16 | |
I knew Bowie would be back. He was just changing costume. | 0:14:16 | 0:14:20 | |
But he left a huge glam vacuum. | 0:14:20 | 0:14:22 | |
Bowie went off to Berlin, didn't he, | 0:14:22 | 0:14:24 | |
and sort of disappeared. And there'd be little snippets | 0:14:24 | 0:14:28 | |
of things in the press and you'd see articles and there would be pictures. | 0:14:28 | 0:14:31 | |
When he came back in 1976, | 0:14:31 | 0:14:36 | |
I was at Victoria with the other fans. | 0:14:36 | 0:14:38 | |
You know, he was wearing... | 0:14:38 | 0:14:40 | |
It was kind of like a Hollywood collarless shirt. | 0:14:40 | 0:14:43 | |
Yes, he looked pretty conservative compared to Ziggy but then | 0:14:43 | 0:14:47 | |
he did Boys Keep Swinging, where he was in drag. | 0:14:47 | 0:14:49 | |
It always felt like Bowie was one step ahead of everyone. | 0:14:49 | 0:14:52 | |
Even at the time, I knew he was at the cutting edge | 0:14:52 | 0:14:55 | |
of the '70s gender debate. | 0:14:55 | 0:14:57 | |
But it wasn't going on in our family. | 0:14:57 | 0:14:59 | |
My uncles and aunts, the men, did what they wanted and the women | 0:14:59 | 0:15:06 | |
kind of cleaned up the mess, basically. That was the '70s. | 0:15:06 | 0:15:10 | |
Bowie knew that alpha males were an endangered species. | 0:15:11 | 0:15:15 | |
The new women's libbers wanted to be heard. | 0:15:15 | 0:15:17 | |
They had outrageous demands - equal pay, equal rights | 0:15:17 | 0:15:22 | |
and the pill they'd been promised in the '60s. | 0:15:22 | 0:15:24 | |
I don't think I used the term "women's lib". | 0:15:24 | 0:15:27 | |
I was always saying to my mum, "Why do you let Dad talk to you like that? | 0:15:27 | 0:15:30 | |
"Why do you let him treat you like that?" | 0:15:30 | 0:15:32 | |
Men treat women really badly and women put up with it. | 0:15:32 | 0:15:36 | |
That's what I remember from being a kid. | 0:15:36 | 0:15:38 | |
I did have a meeting with my careers officer, | 0:15:42 | 0:15:45 | |
who said I could be a secretary for a couple of years | 0:15:45 | 0:15:48 | |
and then I was expected to get married. | 0:15:48 | 0:15:50 | |
I asked a female relative what a lesbian was and she said, | 0:15:50 | 0:15:54 | |
"Someone who's not very nice." | 0:15:54 | 0:15:56 | |
And I also asked, "What's a feminist?" | 0:15:56 | 0:15:58 | |
And I got the same answer. | 0:15:58 | 0:16:00 | |
The feminist movement didn't really appeal to me very much. | 0:16:00 | 0:16:04 | |
Topless festival dancing and things. | 0:16:04 | 0:16:07 | |
Dishevelled. A bit too feral. | 0:16:07 | 0:16:10 | |
Some men weren't changing. | 0:16:11 | 0:16:13 | |
After we moved to the big house, | 0:16:13 | 0:16:14 | |
I still shared a room with three very, very hetero brothers. | 0:16:14 | 0:16:18 | |
Here's a picture of me and my boxing brother. Enough said. | 0:16:20 | 0:16:23 | |
I felt like the only gay in suburbia. | 0:16:24 | 0:16:27 | |
But '70s TV was full of them. | 0:16:29 | 0:16:31 | |
You know, in the '70s, you had all these fantastic kind of camp men | 0:16:33 | 0:16:37 | |
-on TV and nobody ever really said they were gay. -No. | 0:16:37 | 0:16:41 | |
It was like, we all knew they were, sort of, obviously not regular guys. | 0:16:41 | 0:16:45 | |
What did you think about Larry Grayson? Did you think he was gay? | 0:16:45 | 0:16:48 | |
-I liked him, yeah. -Did you know he was gay? | 0:16:48 | 0:16:51 | |
-No, I wouldn't... No. -Really? -No. -You knew -I -was gay. -I didn't... | 0:16:51 | 0:16:55 | |
Did you know I was gay? | 0:16:55 | 0:16:57 | |
No. I knew you were different. It made no difference to me. | 0:16:57 | 0:17:01 | |
-But you used to say I was theatrical. -I was what? -Theatrical. | 0:17:01 | 0:17:05 | |
-Highly strung. -Of course you were. Yeah, you were. | 0:17:05 | 0:17:08 | |
And you're still highly strung. | 0:17:08 | 0:17:10 | |
I thought that was kind of your way of sort of saying, "He's gay." | 0:17:10 | 0:17:13 | |
-I didn't even know what the word meant. -Oh, really? -Yeah. | 0:17:13 | 0:17:16 | |
-Well, I used to hear it a lot at school, you see. -Yeah. | 0:17:16 | 0:17:19 | |
Tried to burn me out. I'd say, "What a gay day." | 0:17:19 | 0:17:22 | |
If Larry Grayson was on telly, the next day, | 0:17:22 | 0:17:24 | |
it would all be like, "Shut that door," at school. | 0:17:24 | 0:17:27 | |
-Yeah. -It was constant. | 0:17:27 | 0:17:28 | |
I say, what about this? | 0:17:28 | 0:17:30 | |
-He was brilliant, wasn't he? -He was brilliant. | 0:17:32 | 0:17:34 | |
But you know, a lot of gay men didn't like all those camp icons | 0:17:34 | 0:17:37 | |
because they felt that they were spoiling it for them. | 0:17:37 | 0:17:40 | |
Like they were portraying this image of gay people that was very | 0:17:40 | 0:17:44 | |
effeminate and weak. | 0:17:44 | 0:17:46 | |
Well, it's too big for a cake. | 0:17:46 | 0:17:48 | |
And it's too small for a midnight service. | 0:17:49 | 0:17:52 | |
I loved those people. | 0:17:52 | 0:17:54 | |
-On TV in the '70s, you only had a certain type of gay man. -Yeah. | 0:17:54 | 0:17:56 | |
It was always like, "Shut that door." | 0:17:56 | 0:17:58 | |
"Oh, look at the muck in here." You know? It was all very camp. | 0:17:58 | 0:18:01 | |
At Christmas 1975, honesty broke out. | 0:18:01 | 0:18:05 | |
I'm not merely a stopped clock. | 0:18:05 | 0:18:08 | |
I'm a stopped grandfather clock. | 0:18:08 | 0:18:10 | |
The Naked Civil Servant was the story of Quentin Crisp. | 0:18:10 | 0:18:13 | |
And I remember this was on TV and I was here on my own, | 0:18:13 | 0:18:17 | |
lying on the floor, watching this show, like, transfixed. | 0:18:17 | 0:18:20 | |
Because, you know, I thought it all started with Bowie. | 0:18:20 | 0:18:23 | |
Suddenly, I see this man from, like, | 0:18:23 | 0:18:25 | |
the 1930s with hennaed hair and make-up. | 0:18:25 | 0:18:28 | |
You know, outwardly homosexual. | 0:18:28 | 0:18:30 | |
It was a true story and it blew my mind. | 0:18:30 | 0:18:33 | |
I couldn't believe it. | 0:18:33 | 0:18:34 | |
As a kid, I thought Bowie was really brave but then you look at | 0:18:34 | 0:18:37 | |
what Quentin Crisp did and you think, "That's beyond brave." | 0:18:37 | 0:18:40 | |
I was the centre of attention, | 0:18:40 | 0:18:42 | |
without feeling that I was in danger. | 0:18:42 | 0:18:45 | |
-Do you fancy one of us, then? -Which one of us do you fancy? | 0:18:45 | 0:18:48 | |
The other thing about Quentin Crisp was he was apologetic. | 0:18:48 | 0:18:52 | |
And we were part of a new breed of gay people that were not apologetic. | 0:18:52 | 0:18:56 | |
We weren't going to apologise for being gay. | 0:18:56 | 0:18:58 | |
In the '80s, I made a pilgrimage to see Quentin Crisp, here in New York. | 0:19:00 | 0:19:05 | |
He still thought being gay was a curse. | 0:19:05 | 0:19:08 | |
That's one reason I loved David Bowie. | 0:19:08 | 0:19:11 | |
He said it was OK to be gay. | 0:19:11 | 0:19:12 | |
It had only been legal to be a gay man in England and Wales | 0:19:14 | 0:19:17 | |
since 1967 and the age of consent was 21. | 0:19:17 | 0:19:21 | |
I was only 15 but I was already experimenting. | 0:19:23 | 0:19:26 | |
# In these days of changing ways | 0:19:27 | 0:19:30 | |
# So-called liberated days | 0:19:30 | 0:19:32 | |
# A story comes to mind of a friend of mine... # | 0:19:32 | 0:19:36 | |
My mum actually bought me The Killing of Georgie Parts I and II | 0:19:37 | 0:19:41 | |
and it was in a paper bag. | 0:19:41 | 0:19:42 | |
She put it in my sock drawer in my bedroom. | 0:19:42 | 0:19:45 | |
It was like my mum's way of not talking about it. | 0:19:46 | 0:19:50 | |
It was like, "I know what's going on." You know? | 0:19:50 | 0:19:53 | |
And sort of her funny way of kind of accepting it without having | 0:19:54 | 0:19:58 | |
to get involved in the details of it, you know? | 0:19:58 | 0:20:02 | |
Because, you know, I was going off to the West End and I was | 0:20:02 | 0:20:05 | |
running around and I was quite brave and I think it was just | 0:20:05 | 0:20:09 | |
sort of, "Be careful." | 0:20:09 | 0:20:11 | |
It was her way of trying to kind of let me know that she was worried | 0:20:11 | 0:20:15 | |
about me and she sort of understood but didn't understand. You know? | 0:20:15 | 0:20:20 | |
# Paul said there must be a mistake | 0:20:20 | 0:20:23 | |
# How can my son not be straight? | 0:20:23 | 0:20:25 | |
# After all I've said and done for him? # | 0:20:25 | 0:20:29 | |
I shouldn't be laughing! | 0:20:32 | 0:20:35 | |
I'm sure my parents had sleepless nights about me being gay | 0:20:35 | 0:20:39 | |
but I think they were more worried when I left school at 15. | 0:20:39 | 0:20:42 | |
It couldn't have been a worse time to be looking for work. | 0:20:42 | 0:20:46 | |
These Sunderland teenagers are already veterans of | 0:20:46 | 0:20:48 | |
the battle for jobs in Britain's depressed areas, | 0:20:48 | 0:20:51 | |
where the odds are often 10-1 against employment. | 0:20:51 | 0:20:54 | |
The dole queue was a bit grim for me. | 0:20:54 | 0:20:57 | |
I thought I could doss in bed but Mum soon cracked the whip. | 0:20:57 | 0:21:02 | |
I wanted a job doing something fabulous but I was soon | 0:21:02 | 0:21:04 | |
stacking shelves in a well-known supermarket. | 0:21:04 | 0:21:07 | |
Real life was boring but just in the nick of time, | 0:21:07 | 0:21:10 | |
punk rock came to the rescue. | 0:21:10 | 0:21:12 | |
Because the old film is so grainy, | 0:21:15 | 0:21:16 | |
we think of punk as grim and grey but I remember it in | 0:21:16 | 0:21:20 | |
Technicolor because it kicked off in the boiling summer of 1976. | 0:21:20 | 0:21:25 | |
That was really the hottest summer of all. | 0:21:25 | 0:21:28 | |
I'd never known anything like it and it was relentless, every day. | 0:21:28 | 0:21:32 | |
That kind of sticky horrible heat that goes on and on. | 0:21:32 | 0:21:36 | |
Everybody's lawn looked like straw. | 0:21:36 | 0:21:38 | |
I remember I nearly fainted at the bus stop. | 0:21:38 | 0:21:41 | |
I had a bit of a moment and nearly passed out. | 0:21:41 | 0:21:44 | |
People were advised to take a bath with a friend. | 0:21:44 | 0:21:46 | |
The hot summer of '76 was fantastically important | 0:21:46 | 0:21:50 | |
because this changes everything. Everybody gets out on the street. | 0:21:50 | 0:21:54 | |
There's a sense of possibility, a sense of openness. And suddenly, | 0:21:54 | 0:21:58 | |
something can break loose and that's what happened with punk rock. | 0:21:58 | 0:22:02 | |
The cult is called punk. | 0:22:02 | 0:22:04 | |
The music, punk rock. | 0:22:05 | 0:22:06 | |
Raw, outrageous and crude. | 0:22:08 | 0:22:10 | |
It was a jolt of energy. It was a break with the past. | 0:22:15 | 0:22:18 | |
It was truly 1970s rock music. The '60s were long gone. | 0:22:18 | 0:22:23 | |
And everybody was fed up with all the '60s people | 0:22:23 | 0:22:26 | |
continuing to make albums. | 0:22:26 | 0:22:28 | |
Punk was designed almost self-consciously to appeal to | 0:22:31 | 0:22:34 | |
a new generation. | 0:22:34 | 0:22:35 | |
George turned 16 in 1977 so he was the perfect age for it. | 0:22:35 | 0:22:39 | |
For me, it was just a very colourful time, you know, a liberated time. | 0:22:42 | 0:22:46 | |
You felt like you could be part of it. It was an energy | 0:22:48 | 0:22:51 | |
and an attitude. Musical talent wasn't a big thing. | 0:22:51 | 0:22:54 | |
The first time the Sex Pistols appeared on TV, | 0:22:55 | 0:22:58 | |
it was the clothing that the presenter was really interested in. | 0:22:58 | 0:23:02 | |
Also trying to shock everyone. Your clothes are bizarre. | 0:23:02 | 0:23:05 | |
What about the word "punk"? If you look it up in a dictionary... | 0:23:05 | 0:23:07 | |
They're only bizarre to old people. | 0:23:07 | 0:23:09 | |
They ain't bizarre to young kids. | 0:23:09 | 0:23:11 | |
Possibly, possibly. I don't have a safety pin through my nose. | 0:23:11 | 0:23:13 | |
What about the word "punk"? | 0:23:13 | 0:23:15 | |
It means worthless, nasty. | 0:23:15 | 0:23:16 | |
Johnny Rotten, are you happy with this word? | 0:23:16 | 0:23:19 | |
No, the press gave us it. | 0:23:19 | 0:23:21 | |
It's their problem, not ours. We never called ourselves punk. | 0:23:21 | 0:23:24 | |
Punk rock enabled intelligent people who hadn't had the advantage | 0:23:27 | 0:23:31 | |
of an expensive, elite education to become stars. | 0:23:31 | 0:23:35 | |
For me and my punk mates, | 0:23:35 | 0:23:37 | |
it wasn't just about the music or pretending to be angry with society. | 0:23:37 | 0:23:41 | |
We were interested in a new look and a place to see it and buy it | 0:23:41 | 0:23:45 | |
was on the Kings Road in Chelsea. | 0:23:45 | 0:23:48 | |
I think that when punk started, to me it was like a fashion thing. | 0:23:48 | 0:23:51 | |
And it was completely tied to Malcolm McLaren and | 0:23:51 | 0:23:54 | |
Vivienne Westwood's shop. | 0:23:54 | 0:23:56 | |
It was a way for them to sell more clothes, I think. | 0:23:56 | 0:23:58 | |
Vivienne Westwood's shop, it used to be called Seditionaries. | 0:23:58 | 0:24:02 | |
It's been called Sex. Too Fast To Live, Too Young To Die. | 0:24:02 | 0:24:05 | |
And now it is World's End. | 0:24:05 | 0:24:07 | |
And this is where we used to gravitate to on the King's Road. | 0:24:07 | 0:24:10 | |
We walked the whole, entire length | 0:24:10 | 0:24:12 | |
of the King's Road to end up at this temple. | 0:24:12 | 0:24:15 | |
This fashion temple, | 0:24:16 | 0:24:18 | |
which sold amazing clothes that were really expensive. | 0:24:18 | 0:24:22 | |
This is where it all happened. | 0:24:22 | 0:24:24 | |
When the shop was Sex, during the punk era, | 0:24:24 | 0:24:26 | |
it was really intimidating. | 0:24:26 | 0:24:28 | |
# Down, down | 0:24:28 | 0:24:29 | |
# Down down... # | 0:24:29 | 0:24:31 | |
The BBC sent actor Derek Nimmo in to experience the terror | 0:24:31 | 0:24:35 | |
on behalf of the nation. | 0:24:35 | 0:24:38 | |
Erm, hello, Mr Nimmo. | 0:24:38 | 0:24:39 | |
So, you are right down there in bondage. | 0:24:39 | 0:24:42 | |
You look so bloody boring. I cannot believe it. | 0:24:42 | 0:24:45 | |
The point is to change yourself. | 0:24:45 | 0:24:46 | |
But why? Why does one have to change? | 0:24:46 | 0:24:48 | |
Because then you'll feel great. | 0:24:48 | 0:24:50 | |
Myself and Jeremy Healey were in Leicester Square and we saw | 0:24:50 | 0:24:54 | |
Vivienne and Debbie and they were wearing all the clothes. | 0:24:54 | 0:24:57 | |
They were wearing orange bondage trousers and we'd never seen it. | 0:24:57 | 0:25:00 | |
We followed them around Leicester Square. | 0:25:00 | 0:25:03 | |
We were like, "Look at those shoes!" | 0:25:03 | 0:25:05 | |
We were like literally obsessed. | 0:25:05 | 0:25:07 | |
I eventually got the whole thing but I wanted the trousers to start with. | 0:25:07 | 0:25:11 | |
The trousers were the kill. They were like the most important thing. | 0:25:11 | 0:25:14 | |
My dad used to gamble. He'd say, "Don't tell your mother." | 0:25:14 | 0:25:16 | |
"Of course I'm going to keep quiet but there's a pair of trousers I want." Anyway, so I got them. | 0:25:16 | 0:25:20 | |
I used to live in them. | 0:25:20 | 0:25:22 | |
They could have walked on their own, they were so dirty. | 0:25:22 | 0:25:24 | |
So, no new hats? | 0:25:24 | 0:25:26 | |
Of course, punk was about kicking against the system. | 0:25:26 | 0:25:28 | |
At 60 quid, your Westwood T-shirt was more about submission | 0:25:28 | 0:25:32 | |
than sedition. Avarice in the UK. | 0:25:32 | 0:25:34 | |
Punk originally had this sort of like idea of presenting yourself | 0:25:34 | 0:25:39 | |
in a way that represented your uniqueness, | 0:25:39 | 0:25:42 | |
creating your own individual look. | 0:25:42 | 0:25:46 | |
An anti-fashion statement. | 0:25:46 | 0:25:48 | |
Club creature Philip Sallon was the Queen of DIY couture. | 0:25:48 | 0:25:52 | |
Global Village is now Heaven, which is virtually the biggest club | 0:25:52 | 0:25:55 | |
in London, and I'd never been before. | 0:25:55 | 0:25:58 | |
And then I stripped off and I had a bin liner on, chains and bare legs. | 0:25:58 | 0:26:02 | |
And the bouncers dragged me out of there. | 0:26:02 | 0:26:04 | |
They said within six weeks, the whole club was wearing bin liners. | 0:26:04 | 0:26:07 | |
One of the standard symbols of punk became the safety pin. | 0:26:07 | 0:26:11 | |
You know, that was really, like, never been seen before. | 0:26:11 | 0:26:14 | |
All of a sudden, you could pick up | 0:26:14 | 0:26:16 | |
a sink plug and wear that as an earring. Or a tampon. | 0:26:16 | 0:26:20 | |
If you wanted to put a cushion on your head | 0:26:20 | 0:26:23 | |
and tie it up with a bit of ribbon and go out like that, you could. | 0:26:23 | 0:26:27 | |
Promenading down the King's Road was really crucial. | 0:26:27 | 0:26:30 | |
It was all about saying something about yourself through your clothes. | 0:26:30 | 0:26:34 | |
And remember, we didn't have social networking | 0:26:34 | 0:26:37 | |
so we did our talking on our bodies. | 0:26:37 | 0:26:40 | |
But your clothes could also get you into a lot of trouble. | 0:26:45 | 0:26:48 | |
Around every corner, there was someone from another fashion tribe, | 0:26:48 | 0:26:51 | |
just waiting to knock your teeth out. | 0:26:51 | 0:26:53 | |
Teddy boys on one side, punks on the other. | 0:26:53 | 0:26:57 | |
And they punch each other and scream and it was like anarchy. | 0:26:57 | 0:27:01 | |
England in the mid-to-late '70s was an incredibly violent place. | 0:27:01 | 0:27:05 | |
You went to school, you got hit. You went home, you got it. | 0:27:05 | 0:27:08 | |
-Officers could hit you. -And of course, you had skinheads. | 0:27:08 | 0:27:10 | |
They would actually wait at the station for people to come | 0:27:10 | 0:27:13 | |
off that train and give them a good hiding. | 0:27:13 | 0:27:15 | |
My dad used to carry a big monkey wrench in his car and | 0:27:15 | 0:27:18 | |
if someone cut him up, he'd get out and they'd have fights. | 0:27:18 | 0:27:20 | |
Everyone talked about the Millwall brick, which was | 0:27:20 | 0:27:23 | |
a rolled-up newspaper that you'd jam into someone's throat. | 0:27:23 | 0:27:26 | |
I remember the atmosphere of constant violence and it | 0:27:26 | 0:27:28 | |
could erupt at any moment. It was everywhere. | 0:27:28 | 0:27:31 | |
Thugs didn't really need much of a reason to lash out. | 0:27:33 | 0:27:36 | |
Seeing someone not being manly was a red flag. | 0:27:36 | 0:27:39 | |
It wasn't a gay-friendly time. It was a world away, | 0:27:39 | 0:27:42 | |
as far as gay rights and gay consciousness goes. | 0:27:42 | 0:27:45 | |
Walk around the way that I did, knowing that there were loads | 0:27:45 | 0:27:49 | |
of people that wanted to punch my face in. Straight blokes, | 0:27:49 | 0:27:52 | |
just because they didn't like the fact you were dressed up, | 0:27:52 | 0:27:55 | |
rock 'n' roll guys that didn't like the fact you were a punk rocker. | 0:27:55 | 0:27:58 | |
There were so many people that wanted to punch you. | 0:27:58 | 0:28:01 | |
Old ladies would hit you with their handbags. | 0:28:01 | 0:28:04 | |
This is such a timeless record. | 0:28:04 | 0:28:06 | |
# Your face when sleeping... | 0:28:09 | 0:28:12 | |
# Is sublime... # | 0:28:12 | 0:28:14 | |
In the safety of my own home, I could listen to music by people who | 0:28:14 | 0:28:17 | |
not only said being different was OK, it might actually be better. | 0:28:17 | 0:28:22 | |
# Then comes pancake factor number one... # | 0:28:22 | 0:28:27 | |
The most famous track on this album at the time | 0:28:27 | 0:28:29 | |
was Walk On The Wild Side. | 0:28:29 | 0:28:30 | |
I think it was just really revolutionary, that song. | 0:28:30 | 0:28:33 | |
# Holly came from Miami FLA... # | 0:28:39 | 0:28:43 | |
Bowie, Lou Reed and Nico evoked Bohemia. | 0:28:43 | 0:28:46 | |
They took us to racy places where the lights were low | 0:28:46 | 0:28:50 | |
and the company was dubious. | 0:28:50 | 0:28:52 | |
# She says hey, babe, take a walk on the wild side | 0:28:52 | 0:28:56 | |
# I said hey, honey, take a walk on the wild side... # | 0:28:56 | 0:29:00 | |
Since I was 14, I'd been trawling London's West End with the red bus rover. | 0:29:00 | 0:29:06 | |
If you're a London adolescent and you want action, | 0:29:06 | 0:29:09 | |
you gravitate to Soho. | 0:29:09 | 0:29:10 | |
Certainly back then, there were all the sex shops, the prostitutes. | 0:29:10 | 0:29:14 | |
There were people offering you drugs. | 0:29:14 | 0:29:16 | |
You don't necessarily want to sample it but it's | 0:29:16 | 0:29:18 | |
a very exciting atmosphere, illicit atmosphere. | 0:29:18 | 0:29:21 | |
Soho wasn't the suburbs. | 0:29:25 | 0:29:28 | |
It was full of dodgy adults but also freaks like me. | 0:29:28 | 0:29:32 | |
The beautiful and the dammed, kids on the run and on the game. | 0:29:32 | 0:29:35 | |
Philip Sallon was the queen of everything, La Reine Du Drame. | 0:29:37 | 0:29:41 | |
He would dress you up and dress you down. | 0:29:41 | 0:29:43 | |
He was my teacher and my tormentor. | 0:29:43 | 0:29:46 | |
One of the first places I ever went to with Philip Sallon was this | 0:29:46 | 0:29:49 | |
place that was called Madame Louise's. There's still a peephole | 0:29:49 | 0:29:53 | |
and you come up, knock and they would open the little shutter, | 0:29:53 | 0:29:56 | |
give you the once over and then you'd either get in or not get in. | 0:29:56 | 0:30:00 | |
Hello. | 0:30:00 | 0:30:01 | |
Philip was a huge influence on me as a kid. | 0:30:01 | 0:30:04 | |
I mean, he was the first bone fide eccentric that I ever met. | 0:30:04 | 0:30:08 | |
Not just in the way that he dressed, but in the way that he thought. | 0:30:08 | 0:30:11 | |
Oh. | 0:30:11 | 0:30:13 | |
Well, it's changed here. | 0:30:13 | 0:30:15 | |
The same size, but just different, isn't it? | 0:30:15 | 0:30:18 | |
This was the dance floor here, anyway. | 0:30:18 | 0:30:20 | |
I remember the DJ was in that corner. | 0:30:20 | 0:30:22 | |
We came down here | 0:30:22 | 0:30:24 | |
and I remember we sat down over there. | 0:30:24 | 0:30:26 | |
That was the seats there. | 0:30:26 | 0:30:28 | |
And we were, like, looking at the dance floor. | 0:30:28 | 0:30:30 | |
It was all full of blokes dancing. | 0:30:30 | 0:30:31 | |
There were all these blokes in suits and ties and everything. | 0:30:31 | 0:30:34 | |
And it turned out the whole lot of them were women. | 0:30:34 | 0:30:36 | |
There wasn't one man there! | 0:30:36 | 0:30:38 | |
We'd been fooled! | 0:30:38 | 0:30:39 | |
I remember Malcolm McLaren and the Sex Pistols, | 0:30:39 | 0:30:42 | |
I used to start signing them in, I think it was every week. | 0:30:42 | 0:30:45 | |
The King's Road trendies, they started moving in bit by bit. | 0:30:45 | 0:30:48 | |
And as they moved in, the lesbos moved out. | 0:30:48 | 0:30:51 | |
So you could say I was responsible for the death of Louise's. | 0:30:51 | 0:30:55 | |
This is where people like Siouxsie Sioux, Johnny Rotten, | 0:30:55 | 0:30:58 | |
Billy Idol came. | 0:30:58 | 0:31:00 | |
I suppose the attraction was the kind of mix of people, you know. | 0:31:00 | 0:31:04 | |
It was all so wrong and so right. | 0:31:04 | 0:31:07 | |
Philip dragged me through the looking glass into Wonderland. | 0:31:09 | 0:31:12 | |
I wanted to go, because gay clubs were full of lumberjacks, | 0:31:12 | 0:31:16 | |
and straight clubs were equally vanilla. | 0:31:16 | 0:31:18 | |
People forget... | 0:31:18 | 0:31:20 | |
that you had to wear a shirt and tie and beige | 0:31:20 | 0:31:23 | |
to get into most clubs pre, you know, pre the '80s. | 0:31:23 | 0:31:27 | |
Maybe a gig to go to and then you'd have to sort of scurry around | 0:31:27 | 0:31:32 | |
and try and find somewhere to go after, | 0:31:32 | 0:31:34 | |
so you'd end up at the Sombrero or Louise's. | 0:31:34 | 0:31:37 | |
The only clubs that were interesting were the gay clubs, | 0:31:37 | 0:31:39 | |
cos they were quite glamorous, and real stars people would come there. | 0:31:39 | 0:31:43 | |
In those days, you were just wandering aimlessly | 0:31:43 | 0:31:46 | |
and then you met someone like Philip Sallon, | 0:31:46 | 0:31:48 | |
and he took you into your crowd, and then you felt comfortable. | 0:31:48 | 0:31:52 | |
And there were all this kind of, like, | 0:31:52 | 0:31:55 | |
"He was a she and she said, | 0:31:55 | 0:31:57 | |
" 'Hey, babe, take a walk on the wild side.' " | 0:31:57 | 0:32:00 | |
So, you were young and you wanted to experience things and get out. | 0:32:00 | 0:32:05 | |
Even under the protection of my freak godfather, | 0:32:07 | 0:32:10 | |
the gay underworld was dangerous. | 0:32:10 | 0:32:13 | |
There were drinks and drugs and predators. | 0:32:13 | 0:32:16 | |
Soho was frisky and often risky. | 0:32:16 | 0:32:19 | |
And some people really didn't love their neighbour. | 0:32:19 | 0:32:22 | |
Equal rights does not entitle nig-nogs to move next door. | 0:32:22 | 0:32:24 | |
Ahh! | 0:32:24 | 0:32:26 | |
Love Thy Neighbour was hideous. | 0:32:26 | 0:32:28 | |
I mean, once that was on, the next day at school, | 0:32:28 | 0:32:31 | |
you would get slaughtered by people verbally. | 0:32:31 | 0:32:34 | |
I wish to make a complaint against a nig-nog. | 0:32:34 | 0:32:36 | |
It was all that "nig-nog this" and... | 0:32:36 | 0:32:39 | |
And then people would just repeat it in school | 0:32:39 | 0:32:41 | |
and not even think about it. | 0:32:41 | 0:32:42 | |
-Are they treating you all right, Sambo? -Oh, no complaints. | 0:32:42 | 0:32:45 | |
-What was this one? -Love Thy Neighbour. -Yeah. | 0:32:45 | 0:32:48 | |
You blackies are well catered for | 0:32:48 | 0:32:49 | |
when it comes to handling yourselves. | 0:32:49 | 0:32:51 | |
I couldn't understand racism. | 0:32:51 | 0:32:53 | |
I think that's the thing about the '70s. | 0:32:53 | 0:32:55 | |
We weren't aware of how wrong it was. | 0:32:55 | 0:32:57 | |
When I was a kid, things like Love Thy Neighbour, those types of shows, | 0:32:57 | 0:33:01 | |
I really would never watch them. | 0:33:01 | 0:33:03 | |
To me, it was like the opposite of everything I wanted to be. | 0:33:03 | 0:33:06 | |
It's only in hindsight that I'm aware of the language that was used. | 0:33:06 | 0:33:09 | |
But then, you know, you'd hear it at school. | 0:33:09 | 0:33:11 | |
You know, it was very common. | 0:33:11 | 0:33:13 | |
In the '70s, it was more the sort of Indian kids | 0:33:13 | 0:33:16 | |
that would get picked on. | 0:33:16 | 0:33:17 | |
I remember seeing, like, Indian kids having their turbans pulled off | 0:33:17 | 0:33:20 | |
and all of that, and that used to really upset me. | 0:33:20 | 0:33:23 | |
I mean, Jamaican kids were tough, | 0:33:23 | 0:33:24 | |
so nobody bothered the Jamaican kids at school, | 0:33:24 | 0:33:27 | |
cos they just hit you! | 0:33:27 | 0:33:28 | |
# On a wonderful day like today | 0:33:28 | 0:33:32 | |
# I defy any cloud to appear in the sky... # | 0:33:32 | 0:33:36 | |
If my grandmother came to stay, | 0:33:36 | 0:33:38 | |
she'd want to watch the Black And White Minstrel Show, | 0:33:38 | 0:33:40 | |
which is just kind of, like, mind-boggling. | 0:33:40 | 0:33:42 | |
# She was afraid to come out in the open... # | 0:33:42 | 0:33:46 | |
Those of you who like a bit of irony will enjoy hearing | 0:33:46 | 0:33:49 | |
that this was one of the first programmes broadcast in colour. | 0:33:49 | 0:33:53 | |
It was once the most popular show on TV. | 0:33:53 | 0:33:57 | |
But by the mid-'70s, people wanted something a bit more sophisticated. | 0:33:57 | 0:34:01 | |
-I'm sick! -Oh, dear. | 0:34:01 | 0:34:03 | |
I'm working at the moment... not anywhere at all. | 0:34:06 | 0:34:09 | |
They called this light entertainment. | 0:34:10 | 0:34:13 | |
But to fascists, this was reality TV. | 0:34:13 | 0:34:16 | |
We'll carry on marching like a great army | 0:34:16 | 0:34:19 | |
towards the Britain of our dreams. | 0:34:19 | 0:34:22 | |
CHEERING | 0:34:22 | 0:34:25 | |
-CHANTING: -National Front. National Front. | 0:34:25 | 0:34:27 | |
I was never nationalistic. | 0:34:27 | 0:34:29 | |
My colours were red, gold and green. | 0:34:29 | 0:34:32 | |
I was for inclusion, not exclusion. | 0:34:32 | 0:34:34 | |
But apparently, plenty of people thought Britain | 0:34:34 | 0:34:36 | |
was being swamped by immigrants. | 0:34:36 | 0:34:38 | |
Right-winger Enoch Powell | 0:34:39 | 0:34:41 | |
was the most popular politician in Britain. | 0:34:41 | 0:34:43 | |
He won BBC Man of the Year twice. | 0:34:43 | 0:34:46 | |
You had to learn how to run. | 0:34:46 | 0:34:48 | |
People would just come up and punch you in the face, spit at you, | 0:34:48 | 0:34:52 | |
throw things out of cars at you. | 0:34:52 | 0:34:54 | |
I'm the daughter of a Hungarian man. | 0:34:54 | 0:34:57 | |
I was considered "foreign". | 0:34:57 | 0:34:59 | |
I remember our next-door neighbours didn't talk to us | 0:34:59 | 0:35:02 | |
for, like, ten years. | 0:35:02 | 0:35:03 | |
I can remember being on the train and all the football fans got on | 0:35:03 | 0:35:06 | |
and everyone was abusing us. | 0:35:06 | 0:35:08 | |
They were even getting their children to abuse us. | 0:35:08 | 0:35:10 | |
Lewisham was proper rough in the '70s, | 0:35:10 | 0:35:12 | |
but it was also a place of contradictions. | 0:35:12 | 0:35:14 | |
You had people giving out National Front leaflets, | 0:35:14 | 0:35:16 | |
you had a big black community. | 0:35:16 | 0:35:18 | |
-CHANTING: -National Front. National Front. | 0:35:18 | 0:35:21 | |
As a gay man, I was well aware of the National Front, | 0:35:21 | 0:35:23 | |
and they had one of their biggest ever marches here in Lewisham. | 0:35:23 | 0:35:26 | |
It was, like, the biggest turnout for them ever in the '70s, | 0:35:26 | 0:35:29 | |
which was quite scary, | 0:35:29 | 0:35:31 | |
because after they got rid of the foreigners, we were next. | 0:35:31 | 0:35:34 | |
-MAN: -Immigration. -CROWD: -No. | 0:35:35 | 0:35:38 | |
-MAN: -Repatriation. -CROWD: -Yes. | 0:35:38 | 0:35:40 | |
The National Front tried to incite the working class, | 0:35:40 | 0:35:43 | |
fuelling bitterness and division. | 0:35:43 | 0:35:46 | |
To me and my friends, the minorities under attack | 0:35:46 | 0:35:48 | |
gave this country something wonderful. | 0:35:48 | 0:35:51 | |
They were also our classmates. | 0:35:51 | 0:35:53 | |
My secondary school was like the United Nations, | 0:35:53 | 0:35:55 | |
and thanks to my dad, our house was like the Culture Club. | 0:35:55 | 0:35:59 | |
I didn't grow up in a racist household. My dad was a builder. | 0:36:00 | 0:36:04 | |
So this house was just full of, like, Jamaicans, Indians, | 0:36:04 | 0:36:08 | |
every type of person. | 0:36:08 | 0:36:09 | |
-I'd come down sometimes to get breakfast... -Yeah. | 0:36:09 | 0:36:12 | |
..and the kitchen would be full of... | 0:36:12 | 0:36:14 | |
like, cast of thousands, you know. | 0:36:14 | 0:36:16 | |
It was funny, I'd kind of walk into the kitchen with blue hair | 0:36:16 | 0:36:18 | |
and there'd be, like, a Rasta sitting there, having a cup of tea. | 0:36:18 | 0:36:21 | |
MUSIC: Everything I Own by Ken Boothe | 0:36:21 | 0:36:25 | |
Reggae, for me, began with Ken Boothe, Everything I Own, | 0:36:27 | 0:36:32 | |
which I went on to have a hit with myself years later. | 0:36:32 | 0:36:36 | |
Things like Susan Cadogan, Hurt So Good. | 0:36:36 | 0:36:38 | |
MUSIC PLAYS | 0:36:38 | 0:36:40 | |
# First you take my heart in the palm of your hands | 0:36:40 | 0:36:43 | |
# And you squeeze it tight... # | 0:36:43 | 0:36:44 | |
Reggae is so much a part of growing up in Britain. | 0:36:46 | 0:36:49 | |
It's important as, you know, curry. | 0:36:49 | 0:36:51 | |
As soon as I heard, like, lovers rock in the '70s, | 0:36:51 | 0:36:55 | |
it just clicked with me. | 0:36:55 | 0:36:57 | |
You know what I mean? I was just like... | 0:36:57 | 0:37:00 | |
Just got it straightaway. | 0:37:00 | 0:37:02 | |
MUSIC: Stir It Up | 0:37:02 | 0:37:04 | |
Lovers rock was a very London kind of reggae sound. | 0:37:04 | 0:37:08 | |
In Birmingham, they made something harder, more righteous. | 0:37:08 | 0:37:11 | |
I moved up there in 1979, but not for the music. | 0:37:13 | 0:37:17 | |
I had a broken heart and a kind offer from a fellow freak. | 0:37:17 | 0:37:20 | |
MUSIC: Love Missile F1-11 by Sigue Sigue Sputnik | 0:37:24 | 0:37:26 | |
In the '80s, Martin Degville would go into orbit | 0:37:26 | 0:37:28 | |
with Sigue Sigue Sputnik. | 0:37:28 | 0:37:30 | |
# There goes my love rocket red... # | 0:37:30 | 0:37:33 | |
Back then, he was just a weirdo from Walsall. | 0:37:33 | 0:37:36 | |
Martin was one of the most outrageous people I'd ever met, | 0:37:36 | 0:37:39 | |
who was wearing stiletto heels and these big footballer shoulder pads. | 0:37:39 | 0:37:43 | |
He looked like an Alsatian from outer space! | 0:37:43 | 0:37:46 | |
I first set eyes on Martin at the seaside. | 0:37:46 | 0:37:49 | |
I was in Bournemouth, wandering around the street, | 0:37:49 | 0:37:51 | |
and I saw this thing across the road. | 0:37:51 | 0:37:54 | |
# Shoot it up! # | 0:37:54 | 0:37:56 | |
And I just targeted him. | 0:37:56 | 0:37:58 | |
I was like, "I've got to make friends with him." | 0:37:58 | 0:38:00 | |
Now, guys, this is Goodall Street, where I used to live. | 0:38:00 | 0:38:03 | |
I fell out with this bloke I was going out with | 0:38:03 | 0:38:05 | |
and it sort of got nasty, | 0:38:05 | 0:38:07 | |
and so I asked Martin if I could go and stay with him in Walsall | 0:38:07 | 0:38:10 | |
for a few weeks, which turned into almost a year. | 0:38:10 | 0:38:14 | |
This is the fabulous place... | 0:38:14 | 0:38:16 | |
It was a fantastic time. | 0:38:16 | 0:38:18 | |
That used to be George's space. | 0:38:18 | 0:38:20 | |
For me, I think Martin's one of the real original kind of freaks. | 0:38:20 | 0:38:23 | |
You know, he kind of changed things. He was quite important, I think. | 0:38:23 | 0:38:26 | |
He was also part of my kind of freak education! | 0:38:26 | 0:38:30 | |
Hello! | 0:38:30 | 0:38:32 | |
Now the area's gone posh. It's a curtain shop. | 0:38:33 | 0:38:37 | |
In 1979, it was far less luxurious. | 0:38:37 | 0:38:40 | |
So this was my part. | 0:38:40 | 0:38:43 | |
And down here was George's part. | 0:38:43 | 0:38:45 | |
I was like the housemaid. I used to clean the place. | 0:38:45 | 0:38:48 | |
You know, all my parties, people coming and going, | 0:38:48 | 0:38:53 | |
orgies. | 0:38:53 | 0:38:54 | |
Martin had a shop in the Bullring called Degville's Dispensary, | 0:38:54 | 0:38:56 | |
and I worked there pretty much every day | 0:38:56 | 0:38:59 | |
while he made clothes. | 0:38:59 | 0:39:01 | |
I used to keep all my takings from the shop... | 0:39:01 | 0:39:04 | |
one of the floorboards in my bedroom. | 0:39:04 | 0:39:07 | |
And so one day I came back | 0:39:07 | 0:39:09 | |
and the whole of my takings had disappeared. | 0:39:09 | 0:39:12 | |
He didn't pay very much, so I used to sort of steal | 0:39:12 | 0:39:14 | |
from under the floorboards to sort of, you know... | 0:39:14 | 0:39:17 | |
pop up my wages a bit. | 0:39:17 | 0:39:19 | |
It would've been around here. It was quite a lot, as well. | 0:39:21 | 0:39:23 | |
£200, £300 at that time. | 0:39:23 | 0:39:25 | |
# You've gotta pick a pocket or two! | 0:39:25 | 0:39:28 | |
# You've gotta pick a pocket or two, boy... # | 0:39:28 | 0:39:32 | |
I demand the living wage! | 0:39:32 | 0:39:34 | |
# You've got to pick a pocket or two. # | 0:39:34 | 0:39:36 | |
The flat was always full of music. | 0:39:36 | 0:39:39 | |
Bowie, Lou Reed, Cabaret Voltaire, Linton Kwesi Johnson, | 0:39:39 | 0:39:43 | |
and, of course, the local speciality. | 0:39:43 | 0:39:46 | |
SKA MUSIC PLAYS | 0:39:46 | 0:39:48 | |
I used to listen to a lot of ska music. | 0:39:52 | 0:39:57 | |
You know, like the Trojan, like, collections. | 0:39:57 | 0:40:00 | |
You know, I took him to see reggae bands, | 0:40:00 | 0:40:03 | |
you know, UB40, you know, being one of them. | 0:40:03 | 0:40:06 | |
I remember going to see UB40 at the Crown in Birmingham, | 0:40:06 | 0:40:09 | |
and also to see The Beat. | 0:40:09 | 0:40:11 | |
There was this kind of marriage of reggae and punk. | 0:40:11 | 0:40:15 | |
You'd see bands like Steel Pulse, | 0:40:15 | 0:40:17 | |
you know, and then you had characters like Jah Wobble. | 0:40:17 | 0:40:20 | |
With his first release, Do You Really Want To Hurt Me, | 0:40:20 | 0:40:23 | |
it had really sort of, like, you know, big reggae undertones to it, | 0:40:23 | 0:40:27 | |
you know, which I know sort of, like, I probably inspired him. | 0:40:27 | 0:40:31 | |
Back in London, the heat was going out of punk. | 0:40:33 | 0:40:37 | |
What happened with punk, | 0:40:37 | 0:40:38 | |
quite quickly it became a mainstream style | 0:40:38 | 0:40:43 | |
and lots of lads came in. | 0:40:43 | 0:40:45 | |
All the moshing started. | 0:40:45 | 0:40:47 | |
It was fairly grim. | 0:40:49 | 0:40:50 | |
And so I could understand why somebody like George | 0:40:52 | 0:40:55 | |
got fed up with it. | 0:40:55 | 0:40:56 | |
My friend Marilyn had been a punk princess, poop poopy doo. | 0:40:56 | 0:41:00 | |
Together we watched the glamour evaporate. | 0:41:00 | 0:41:03 | |
I remember going to a punk gig. It was Gang Of Four. | 0:41:03 | 0:41:08 | |
I was doing this kind of Siouxsie Sioux look. | 0:41:08 | 0:41:10 | |
I had, like, the frilly shirt and heavy make-up and the spiky hair. | 0:41:10 | 0:41:14 | |
But it wasn't really punk. It was something more than punk. | 0:41:14 | 0:41:16 | |
And I remember somebody throwing a beer over me | 0:41:16 | 0:41:19 | |
and kind of ruining my hair. | 0:41:19 | 0:41:20 | |
And I suddenly thought, "Well, this is not a scene I want to be part of. | 0:41:20 | 0:41:24 | |
"This is just not for me." | 0:41:24 | 0:41:25 | |
So there were people that were into punk | 0:41:25 | 0:41:28 | |
that kind of had a lot of fun with it to begin with, | 0:41:28 | 0:41:30 | |
then it became very sort of studenty, violent, spitting, | 0:41:30 | 0:41:33 | |
all of that, pogoing, | 0:41:33 | 0:41:35 | |
and then we kind of departed over here. | 0:41:35 | 0:41:37 | |
There was this kind of a lull in the scene | 0:41:37 | 0:41:40 | |
and there didn't seem to be anything going on. | 0:41:40 | 0:41:42 | |
It seemed like a sort of page was turning. | 0:41:42 | 0:41:44 | |
You started seeing parodies of it on television, | 0:41:44 | 0:41:46 | |
maybe Freddie Starr or people dressed up like a punk. | 0:41:46 | 0:41:49 | |
Then we kind of knew it was dying. | 0:41:49 | 0:41:51 | |
There was a sort of new wave of people coming through. | 0:41:51 | 0:41:54 | |
So here we are in Meard Street, | 0:41:57 | 0:41:59 | |
which is this little road between Wardour Street and Dean Street, | 0:41:59 | 0:42:02 | |
and this is a legendary place for a few reasons. | 0:42:02 | 0:42:05 | |
Over there on the left used to be a very famous kind of brothel | 0:42:05 | 0:42:08 | |
called the Golden Girls Club. | 0:42:08 | 0:42:10 | |
All the hookers used to hang out of the window and scream at us | 0:42:10 | 0:42:12 | |
when we used to walk by. | 0:42:12 | 0:42:14 | |
And then here, the doorway of the legendary nightclub - Billy's. | 0:42:14 | 0:42:19 | |
This was a rundown 1970s club | 0:42:19 | 0:42:22 | |
that Steve Strange and Rusty Egan took over on Tuesday night | 0:42:22 | 0:42:25 | |
and turned into this one-nighter event. | 0:42:25 | 0:42:28 | |
And this sort of phenomena started in the '70s | 0:42:28 | 0:42:30 | |
with people like Steve and Rusty, Chris Sullivan, | 0:42:30 | 0:42:33 | |
taking over these rundown clubs that no-one was going to any more | 0:42:33 | 0:42:36 | |
and putting on these sort of nights for our crowd. | 0:42:36 | 0:42:40 | |
This was only open for 12 weeks. | 0:42:40 | 0:42:42 | |
It was the shortest lifespan of any of those clubs. | 0:42:42 | 0:42:45 | |
It's been more than three decades since club runner Rusty Egan | 0:42:47 | 0:42:50 | |
went down these stairs. | 0:42:50 | 0:42:52 | |
I printed up some flyers, Tuesday night, 10.30 till 3.30am, | 0:42:52 | 0:42:58 | |
and we gave them, personally, to people. | 0:42:58 | 0:43:01 | |
What have they done to my club? | 0:43:01 | 0:43:03 | |
Turned it into a kitchen. | 0:43:04 | 0:43:05 | |
Wow. 1978. | 0:43:06 | 0:43:08 | |
Yeah, it was only about this big. | 0:43:08 | 0:43:10 | |
You would walk into here, 10, 10.30, | 0:43:10 | 0:43:14 | |
maybe Kraftwerk playing, | 0:43:14 | 0:43:17 | |
Bowie, some really down, ambient music. | 0:43:17 | 0:43:22 | |
Probably looked like the bar from Star Wars. Ha! | 0:43:22 | 0:43:25 | |
A collection of people which included Boy George. | 0:43:25 | 0:43:28 | |
Philip Sallon, Steve Strange were the reception. | 0:43:28 | 0:43:32 | |
And there were some alcoves, some little alcoves you could get into. | 0:43:32 | 0:43:35 | |
And then the DJ was against the far wall. | 0:43:35 | 0:43:38 | |
It got very popular. Overcrowded, in fact. | 0:43:38 | 0:43:41 | |
You met some of those people that you might have seen at David Bowie, | 0:43:41 | 0:43:43 | |
you might have seen at a Siouxsie gig, | 0:43:43 | 0:43:45 | |
you might have seen at X-Ray Spex. | 0:43:45 | 0:43:47 | |
And then me in the DJ booth | 0:43:47 | 0:43:48 | |
playing all their favourite Bowie and Roxy, | 0:43:48 | 0:43:51 | |
and then dropping Human League. | 0:43:51 | 0:43:53 | |
First ever... Electricity by OMD. | 0:43:53 | 0:43:56 | |
Emergent electronica. | 0:43:56 | 0:43:58 | |
It was nice to start hearing the Human League | 0:43:58 | 0:44:00 | |
and all these new bands that were coming out. | 0:44:00 | 0:44:02 | |
The soundtrack reflected what we were interested in. | 0:44:02 | 0:44:05 | |
Snapping away and recalling history was art student Nicola Tyson. | 0:44:05 | 0:44:10 | |
I'd just get the prints developed at Boots | 0:44:10 | 0:44:12 | |
and then bring them down the following week | 0:44:12 | 0:44:14 | |
and try and sell them for beer money. | 0:44:14 | 0:44:16 | |
But that wasn't very successful. | 0:44:16 | 0:44:17 | |
Up here there's pictures of George, I think that's with Andy. | 0:44:17 | 0:44:21 | |
There's Steve Strange. | 0:44:21 | 0:44:23 | |
I can't remember exactly where I met George, | 0:44:23 | 0:44:26 | |
although he would come to Billy's in sort of white Pan Stik make-up. | 0:44:26 | 0:44:30 | |
Here we've got Marilyn with a kind of Jordan hairdo. | 0:44:30 | 0:44:33 | |
Philip Sallon. Philip's policeman's hat. | 0:44:33 | 0:44:36 | |
Little Simon Le Bon one there. | 0:44:38 | 0:44:40 | |
There's Andy Polaris. | 0:44:40 | 0:44:42 | |
You slowly start seeing individuals influencing each other | 0:44:42 | 0:44:46 | |
with hair colour, more extreme make-up. | 0:44:46 | 0:44:50 | |
And I think probably as well, | 0:44:50 | 0:44:52 | |
people started seeing people who were like, | 0:44:52 | 0:44:54 | |
"Oh, they actually look a bit better than me. | 0:44:54 | 0:44:56 | |
"Next week when I come down there, | 0:44:56 | 0:44:58 | |
"my hair's going to be three colours, not one colour." | 0:44:58 | 0:45:01 | |
Billy's itself was sort of almost like a clip joint. | 0:45:01 | 0:45:05 | |
The trans contingent of regulars that would go down there. | 0:45:05 | 0:45:10 | |
Living the nightlife to the full | 0:45:12 | 0:45:13 | |
sometimes meant missing the last train or bus back to the suburbs. | 0:45:13 | 0:45:17 | |
Luckily for us, the '70s were the squat years. | 0:45:17 | 0:45:21 | |
In the mid-'70s, London was very rundown, quite poor. | 0:45:21 | 0:45:24 | |
Old property going to be pulled down. | 0:45:24 | 0:45:27 | |
And then the money arrived. | 0:45:27 | 0:45:28 | |
In that gap, you had the emergence of squatting. | 0:45:28 | 0:45:32 | |
Here we are in Carburton Street. | 0:45:32 | 0:45:34 | |
Now, this street was full of these beautiful Georgian houses | 0:45:34 | 0:45:38 | |
that had been demolished | 0:45:38 | 0:45:40 | |
and they built this, which is such a tragedy, | 0:45:40 | 0:45:42 | |
but this is where we squatted. | 0:45:42 | 0:45:43 | |
This corner here was our squat. | 0:45:43 | 0:45:45 | |
And we lived here for about a year and a half in this house | 0:45:46 | 0:45:52 | |
with various characters, you know. | 0:45:52 | 0:45:54 | |
And one of those characters is over here. | 0:45:54 | 0:45:57 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:45:57 | 0:45:58 | |
And this is the doorway where we did our famous picture. | 0:45:58 | 0:46:01 | |
-Do you want to do your pose? -I can't remember what it is. | 0:46:01 | 0:46:03 | |
I think I was just like that and you were going... | 0:46:03 | 0:46:05 | |
You were doing one of your Marilyn poses. | 0:46:05 | 0:46:07 | |
I first met Marilyn in 1977. | 0:46:09 | 0:46:12 | |
We've been friends for 40 years, falling in, falling out, | 0:46:12 | 0:46:16 | |
falling in, falling out! | 0:46:16 | 0:46:18 | |
-Do you remember the cute guys that used to live round here? -Yeah. | 0:46:18 | 0:46:21 | |
Yeah! These ones. | 0:46:21 | 0:46:22 | |
So, this corner house was the sort of second location where we moved | 0:46:22 | 0:46:26 | |
but, originally, we lived just along here. | 0:46:26 | 0:46:29 | |
We were somewhere here. | 0:46:29 | 0:46:31 | |
And I lived on the first floor. | 0:46:32 | 0:46:35 | |
And one of the funny things about me | 0:46:35 | 0:46:37 | |
was that I had two rooms on the first floor, | 0:46:37 | 0:46:40 | |
and I rented one of my rooms out to some French bloke. | 0:46:40 | 0:46:42 | |
I was like a landlady. It was genius. | 0:46:42 | 0:46:45 | |
And people would say, "How can you squat and make someone pay rent?" | 0:46:45 | 0:46:47 | |
I said, "Well, he wants somewhere to live." | 0:46:47 | 0:46:49 | |
So I was very enterprising. | 0:46:49 | 0:46:51 | |
My parents kind of came up to drop off some shopping, | 0:46:51 | 0:46:53 | |
cos they worried about me. | 0:46:53 | 0:46:55 | |
They brought food one night. | 0:46:55 | 0:46:56 | |
My dad brought a credit card and he kind of undid the lock | 0:46:56 | 0:46:59 | |
and he put food in the cupboard. | 0:46:59 | 0:47:00 | |
But I'd kind of decorated my bedroom with all these naked photos of men, | 0:47:00 | 0:47:05 | |
so my mum and dad left me a note - "Lovely wallpaper." | 0:47:05 | 0:47:08 | |
Do you remember that outside toilet? | 0:47:08 | 0:47:10 | |
That had no roof on it, so you'd be in the toilet | 0:47:10 | 0:47:12 | |
and people would be up at the windows, throwing things | 0:47:12 | 0:47:14 | |
and going, "How long are you going to be?" | 0:47:14 | 0:47:16 | |
And it's just like, "Oh, God!" | 0:47:16 | 0:47:17 | |
We had no water, but we had electricity | 0:47:17 | 0:47:19 | |
cos my boyfriend managed to kind of fix the wires, and so we had lights. | 0:47:19 | 0:47:23 | |
There was two brothers that lived just up here, | 0:47:23 | 0:47:25 | |
and they had hot water. | 0:47:25 | 0:47:26 | |
And I went out with one of the brothers. | 0:47:26 | 0:47:28 | |
-And I went out with the other one. -Dave. -And Steven. Steve. | 0:47:28 | 0:47:32 | |
-David and Steven. And we used to go to their house to have baths. -Yeah! | 0:47:32 | 0:47:35 | |
And when we couldn't go there to have baths, | 0:47:35 | 0:47:37 | |
we'd go to the hotel sometimes and wash in the toilets. | 0:47:37 | 0:47:40 | |
-And this is where we lived for about a year or so. -Not this. | 0:47:40 | 0:47:43 | |
-No, it was much nicer than this. -Mm. -Yeah. | 0:47:43 | 0:47:46 | |
It was bonkers. | 0:47:46 | 0:47:48 | |
We were growing up, or trying to. | 0:47:51 | 0:47:53 | |
Punk had been a beautiful distraction, but we were moving on. | 0:47:53 | 0:47:56 | |
It was still all about dressing up, but now we wanted glamour, | 0:47:57 | 0:48:01 | |
tungsten lighting, punks in paint. | 0:48:01 | 0:48:04 | |
Clubbing, you know, living hand-to-mouth, | 0:48:04 | 0:48:07 | |
getting up at two in the afternoon, putting your face on, going out. | 0:48:07 | 0:48:11 | |
You know, it was... It was a very hedonistic time. | 0:48:11 | 0:48:15 | |
People were expressing themselves in a different way | 0:48:15 | 0:48:18 | |
that was very stark. | 0:48:18 | 0:48:20 | |
I just wanted to be myself and express myself, | 0:48:20 | 0:48:22 | |
you know, the way I looked, my creativity. | 0:48:22 | 0:48:25 | |
There was a feeling of anything goes. | 0:48:25 | 0:48:27 | |
In terms of style, we were fearless. | 0:48:27 | 0:48:29 | |
It was never about just one look. | 0:48:29 | 0:48:31 | |
Variety was the vice of life. | 0:48:31 | 0:48:33 | |
I would see sort of Roman gladiators, men in capes. | 0:48:33 | 0:48:38 | |
I can remember my brother getting arrested wearing hot pants, | 0:48:38 | 0:48:40 | |
plastic sandals and a space gun. | 0:48:40 | 0:48:43 | |
You couldn't afford to make stuff with nice lace like that. | 0:48:43 | 0:48:45 | |
-Where did you get that? -It's my nan's. | 0:48:45 | 0:48:47 | |
Philip Sallon, he would go out in a wedding dress. | 0:48:47 | 0:48:50 | |
When you go out with Philip, like, on the town, | 0:48:50 | 0:48:52 | |
he would, like, bring bags of clothes | 0:48:52 | 0:48:54 | |
and he'd constantly be changing outfits. | 0:48:54 | 0:48:56 | |
It got to the point where I was turning up with suitcases | 0:48:56 | 0:48:59 | |
and changing all night long. | 0:48:59 | 0:49:01 | |
I know it's tragic. | 0:49:01 | 0:49:02 | |
Green eyeshadow, green blusher and green lips. | 0:49:02 | 0:49:06 | |
Being first with the look was vital. | 0:49:06 | 0:49:09 | |
Even dear friends like Jeremy Haysi Fantayzee Healy | 0:49:09 | 0:49:12 | |
would become a sworn enemy if you stole their eyebrows | 0:49:12 | 0:49:14 | |
or their hairdo. | 0:49:14 | 0:49:16 | |
It was very, like, competitive. | 0:49:16 | 0:49:18 | |
If you copied something that someone else had done... | 0:49:18 | 0:49:21 | |
-Oh, they'd cut you. -Fights. -Cut your clothes off. | 0:49:21 | 0:49:23 | |
-Drinks thrown. -Spitting. | 0:49:23 | 0:49:25 | |
And what about the kilt? There was this one time... | 0:49:25 | 0:49:27 | |
-Yeah, but that's you. -No, but you as well. | 0:49:27 | 0:49:29 | |
There was that time... Remember when you got dreadlocks? | 0:49:29 | 0:49:33 | |
-Yeah. -Who had them first? | 0:49:33 | 0:49:35 | |
-Jeremy. -No! | 0:49:35 | 0:49:36 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:49:36 | 0:49:39 | |
I would be in a club and somebody would kind of go, | 0:49:41 | 0:49:44 | |
"I think Boy George is coming tonight," | 0:49:44 | 0:49:45 | |
and there would be excitement, like, "What's he wearing?" | 0:49:45 | 0:49:48 | |
George used make-up in such a sort of striking way. | 0:49:48 | 0:49:52 | |
You can see all those, like, inspirations | 0:49:52 | 0:49:55 | |
from the glamour moment, from the Bowie moment, | 0:49:55 | 0:49:58 | |
from the Lindsay Kemp moment. | 0:49:58 | 0:49:59 | |
He'd be dressed as a nun, something like that! | 0:49:59 | 0:50:02 | |
We didn't call ourselves New Romantics. | 0:50:02 | 0:50:04 | |
That was the sort of newspaper term. | 0:50:04 | 0:50:07 | |
But it was a small scene with a massive ego. | 0:50:07 | 0:50:09 | |
200 people at the most. | 0:50:09 | 0:50:11 | |
But really publicity hungry, you know, | 0:50:11 | 0:50:14 | |
we wanted people to know about us. | 0:50:14 | 0:50:15 | |
But it wasn't a lot of people, you know, | 0:50:15 | 0:50:17 | |
in terms of its kind of cultural impact. | 0:50:17 | 0:50:19 | |
It kind of grew into what we did in the '80s, | 0:50:19 | 0:50:22 | |
all the bands, you know, Duran Duran in Birmingham, | 0:50:22 | 0:50:25 | |
Culture Club, Spandau Ballet. | 0:50:25 | 0:50:27 | |
It grew into something bigger, you know. | 0:50:27 | 0:50:29 | |
But actually, the root of it was this tiny little crowd of people | 0:50:29 | 0:50:34 | |
who were sort of full of their own self-importance. | 0:50:34 | 0:50:38 | |
Of which I was one! | 0:50:39 | 0:50:40 | |
You've changed! | 0:50:42 | 0:50:43 | |
In February '79, we had somewhere new to go. | 0:50:45 | 0:50:48 | |
Steve Strange and Rusty Egan's new club - the Blitz. | 0:50:48 | 0:50:52 | |
Steve was brutal on the door. | 0:50:52 | 0:50:54 | |
Talk about kill to dress. | 0:50:54 | 0:50:56 | |
It's about fashion, it's about looks. | 0:50:57 | 0:51:01 | |
I mean, the men dress outrageous, the women dress outrageous. | 0:51:01 | 0:51:04 | |
Spending hours dressing up beforehand. | 0:51:04 | 0:51:07 | |
Steve would be at the door looking you up and down. | 0:51:07 | 0:51:11 | |
Whatever their look is, they've got to have a look to get through the door. | 0:51:11 | 0:51:14 | |
So when you went into this club, | 0:51:14 | 0:51:16 | |
I'd be playing Warszawa, you know, the B-side of Low. | 0:51:16 | 0:51:19 | |
You know, "mmmmm-uhhh". | 0:51:19 | 0:51:22 | |
People like Siouxsie Sioux strutting about, | 0:51:22 | 0:51:26 | |
Jordan, obviously, Soo Catwoman, | 0:51:26 | 0:51:28 | |
like, all these people who looked just incredible. | 0:51:28 | 0:51:31 | |
It got busier and busier and busier, and then I'd play... | 0:51:31 | 0:51:34 | |
Duh-dunnn! | 0:51:34 | 0:51:35 | |
MUSIC: Being Boiled by The Human League | 0:51:35 | 0:51:37 | |
OK, are you ready? | 0:51:37 | 0:51:38 | |
HE MIMICS THE BEAT | 0:51:38 | 0:51:40 | |
# Listen to the voice of Buddha... # The Human League. | 0:51:43 | 0:51:47 | |
And that was it - they started to dance. "Oh, the beat." | 0:51:47 | 0:51:49 | |
And it was like a soundtrack. It was like, "Yes!" | 0:51:49 | 0:51:52 | |
Telex, Kraftwerk, Human League, Ultravox, Lou Reed, David Bowie, | 0:51:52 | 0:51:57 | |
loads of Bowie, more Bowie, more Roxy, Siouxsie And The Banshees. | 0:51:57 | 0:52:00 | |
Dun dun dun dun-dun-d... Yeah, we'll have that. | 0:52:00 | 0:52:03 | |
You know, Marc Bolan, yeah, we'll have that. | 0:52:03 | 0:52:06 | |
So, basically, I sort of mixed and matched the best of the cultures. | 0:52:06 | 0:52:11 | |
Almost everybody was either an artist, a fashion designer | 0:52:11 | 0:52:14 | |
or they were in a band. | 0:52:14 | 0:52:16 | |
People who all had big dreams, big ambition, | 0:52:16 | 0:52:19 | |
and drive, and were networking. | 0:52:19 | 0:52:21 | |
It was multicultural, it was multisexual. | 0:52:21 | 0:52:25 | |
A quite extreme core of people looking to the future. | 0:52:25 | 0:52:31 | |
The future had suddenly arrived. It was time to get to work. | 0:52:31 | 0:52:35 | |
All of my friends were, like, getting jobs. | 0:52:35 | 0:52:38 | |
Everyone around me was like, "What's he going to do?" | 0:52:38 | 0:52:40 | |
And I was just doing... Carrying on doing what I'd been doing | 0:52:40 | 0:52:44 | |
and sort of slowly realising, | 0:52:44 | 0:52:46 | |
"Actually, this isn't going to work. I need to get a job." | 0:52:46 | 0:52:49 | |
When it came, it was a job I was perfect for. | 0:52:49 | 0:52:52 | |
In fashion. | 0:52:52 | 0:52:54 | |
I worked in this place here | 0:52:54 | 0:52:57 | |
as a... more as a window dresser, really, | 0:52:57 | 0:53:00 | |
and wannabe shop assistant. | 0:53:00 | 0:53:01 | |
This was called Street Theatre, and it was very different. | 0:53:01 | 0:53:05 | |
It was like a kind of quasi punk, New Romantic shop. | 0:53:05 | 0:53:09 | |
Lots of frilly shirts, lots of sort of, you know, tartan bondage, | 0:53:09 | 0:53:13 | |
all that kind of stuff. | 0:53:13 | 0:53:14 | |
But it was packed with clothes. | 0:53:14 | 0:53:16 | |
Literally, you couldn't move for clothes rails. | 0:53:16 | 0:53:19 | |
I think you could say we sold too much! | 0:53:19 | 0:53:21 | |
And this shop was owned by a man called Peter Small, | 0:53:22 | 0:53:25 | |
who was my kind of mentor. | 0:53:25 | 0:53:27 | |
He really supported me. | 0:53:27 | 0:53:29 | |
You know, I basically talked myself into a job here. | 0:53:29 | 0:53:32 | |
Peter was a rag trade visionary. | 0:53:32 | 0:53:34 | |
As far as he was concerned, my freakiness was an asset. | 0:53:34 | 0:53:37 | |
He loved my eye for design and he really encouraged me. | 0:53:37 | 0:53:40 | |
He was like the great teacher I never had at school. | 0:53:40 | 0:53:44 | |
He also had a shop here that was a mod shop. | 0:53:44 | 0:53:46 | |
And there's a great photo, a really famous photo, | 0:53:46 | 0:53:48 | |
of me doing the windows in the mod shop, | 0:53:48 | 0:53:50 | |
because I kind of helped them out sometimes as well. | 0:53:50 | 0:53:52 | |
I did my first proper TV interview when I worked for Peter. | 0:53:52 | 0:53:56 | |
I did a show called Something Else. | 0:53:56 | 0:53:58 | |
Yeah, he was such a supporter. | 0:53:58 | 0:54:00 | |
He was so important to the beginning of my career, really. | 0:54:00 | 0:54:05 | |
It was 1980. | 0:54:05 | 0:54:07 | |
In a few months, I would be starting Culture Club. | 0:54:07 | 0:54:10 | |
Martin would start Sigue Sigue Sputnik. | 0:54:10 | 0:54:13 | |
For now, we were just fodder for the TV freak shows. | 0:54:13 | 0:54:16 | |
You do dress outrageously, though. Why do you dress like that? | 0:54:16 | 0:54:20 | |
Because I want to. That's it, you know. | 0:54:20 | 0:54:22 | |
Clothes should be fun and not taken too seriously at all. | 0:54:22 | 0:54:26 | |
But it was my clothes that got me noticed by Malcolm McLaren. | 0:54:27 | 0:54:31 | |
I was really good friends with Matthew Ashman, | 0:54:31 | 0:54:33 | |
who was the guitarist in Bow Wow Wow. | 0:54:33 | 0:54:36 | |
And he heard me singing and was like, | 0:54:36 | 0:54:38 | |
"Oh, you should be in Bow Wow Wow, | 0:54:38 | 0:54:39 | |
"maybe we could have an extra singer," | 0:54:39 | 0:54:41 | |
and suggested it to Malcolm, | 0:54:41 | 0:54:43 | |
who saw the potential in maybe upsetting Annabella | 0:54:43 | 0:54:46 | |
by having me in the band. | 0:54:46 | 0:54:47 | |
So there was this big gig planned for the Rainbow Theatre | 0:54:47 | 0:54:51 | |
in Finsbury Park. | 0:54:51 | 0:54:53 | |
Back in the day, this was actually a really happening place for gigs. | 0:54:53 | 0:54:57 | |
And I had come here to see Bow Wow Wow. | 0:54:57 | 0:55:00 | |
And Malcolm decided to have me sing. | 0:55:00 | 0:55:03 | |
A few songs had gone by, and suddenly it was announced | 0:55:03 | 0:55:06 | |
that somebody else was going to come and sing - Lieutenant Lush. | 0:55:06 | 0:55:09 | |
In the encore, instead of Annabella coming back out, I came out. | 0:55:09 | 0:55:12 | |
So, on they come. | 0:55:12 | 0:55:14 | |
I remember being really frightened before I went on | 0:55:14 | 0:55:16 | |
and then getting pushed on the stage. | 0:55:16 | 0:55:18 | |
And I'm actually saying to my mates, "Wait a minute. | 0:55:18 | 0:55:21 | |
"That... That's... Isn't that Boy George?" | 0:55:21 | 0:55:24 | |
There was lots of booing and, like, "Who's that?" and I sang this song. | 0:55:24 | 0:55:28 | |
And he's actually got a really great voice. | 0:55:28 | 0:55:32 | |
Not as you'd expect. | 0:55:32 | 0:55:34 | |
It was soft and gentle and sort of like honey. | 0:55:34 | 0:55:37 | |
I remember doing my thing and just loving it. | 0:55:37 | 0:55:40 | |
You know, loving it. | 0:55:40 | 0:55:41 | |
We were all transfixed, and that was a bit of a moment. | 0:55:41 | 0:55:45 | |
That was really the beginning of me thinking, "I need to put a band together." | 0:55:45 | 0:55:48 | |
You know, people from Eltham just didn't become famous. | 0:55:52 | 0:55:55 | |
It just wasn't... It was just like... | 0:55:55 | 0:55:58 | |
"You know, you're not going to really ever be a singer. | 0:55:58 | 0:56:00 | |
"You can sing all you like, | 0:56:00 | 0:56:01 | |
"but you're never going to make a living out of that." | 0:56:01 | 0:56:04 | |
MUSIC: Church Of The Poison Mind by Culture Club | 0:56:04 | 0:56:06 | |
Culture Club came from some shambolic rehearsals | 0:56:06 | 0:56:09 | |
with some musicians I'd heard of who had the right look. | 0:56:09 | 0:56:12 | |
Only Jon Moss really knew anything about the business, | 0:56:12 | 0:56:15 | |
and we followed him. | 0:56:15 | 0:56:17 | |
Our tone was light and melodic. Music to fall in love to. | 0:56:17 | 0:56:21 | |
And the world seemed to do just that. | 0:56:21 | 0:56:23 | |
The fourth single went straight to number one. | 0:56:23 | 0:56:26 | |
MUSIC: Do You Really Want To Hurt Me by Culture Club | 0:56:26 | 0:56:31 | |
I used to joke it was the day I married the world. | 0:56:31 | 0:56:33 | |
One day I could walk round the streets, like, in full regalia | 0:56:33 | 0:56:37 | |
and nobody would take a blind bit of notice. | 0:56:37 | 0:56:40 | |
And then overnight I was instantly recognisable | 0:56:40 | 0:56:43 | |
and I couldn't go anywhere. | 0:56:43 | 0:56:44 | |
The rest is history, | 0:56:44 | 0:56:45 | |
but we're in the '80s now, so we can't talk about this! | 0:56:45 | 0:56:48 | |
He was a classic British pop star. | 0:56:51 | 0:56:54 | |
He was absolutely huge worldwide. | 0:56:54 | 0:56:58 | |
He was cuddly. | 0:56:58 | 0:57:00 | |
But then also with George, with his tongue, there was always an edge. | 0:57:00 | 0:57:04 | |
And he was always involved in some kind of social change, | 0:57:04 | 0:57:07 | |
which is what the best pop stars always are. | 0:57:07 | 0:57:09 | |
MUSIC: Everything I Own by Culture Club | 0:57:09 | 0:57:13 | |
I feel very lucky that I grew up in the '70s, | 0:57:13 | 0:57:16 | |
that that was where I got my musical education. | 0:57:16 | 0:57:19 | |
MUSIC: Generations Of Love by Boy George | 0:57:19 | 0:57:22 | |
There was a wonderful separation between the establishment | 0:57:24 | 0:57:27 | |
and, you know, certain types of music. | 0:57:27 | 0:57:30 | |
You know, you'd never be able to have punk rock now. | 0:57:30 | 0:57:32 | |
They wouldn't allow it. | 0:57:32 | 0:57:34 | |
It would be in an advert for Gap within two weeks. | 0:57:34 | 0:57:36 | |
Before the '70s, everyone knew the world was full of gays, | 0:57:41 | 0:57:44 | |
but they were forced into hiding. | 0:57:44 | 0:57:47 | |
My generation burst out of the closet and danced for joy. | 0:57:47 | 0:57:50 | |
I started the decade with no interest in politics | 0:57:53 | 0:57:56 | |
and ended up as some sort of symbol, maybe a question mark. | 0:57:56 | 0:58:00 | |
Sometimes the most political act is just being yourself. | 0:58:01 | 0:58:04 | |
I hope me and my freaky friends moved the debate on. | 0:58:04 | 0:58:08 | |
As for current affairs, it's all Bowie's fault. | 0:58:08 | 0:58:11 | |
For everything else, I blame the parents. | 0:58:11 | 0:58:14 | |
Big parts of history were created and made in the '70s. | 0:58:15 | 0:58:18 | |
But when you're in it, you don't think about it. | 0:58:18 | 0:58:20 | |
You're just living it. | 0:58:20 | 0:58:22 | |
You know, history only makes sense in hindsight anyway. | 0:58:22 | 0:58:24 | |
You look back and you go, "Wow!" | 0:58:24 | 0:58:25 | |
You know, cos you've got nothing to compare it with. | 0:58:25 | 0:58:28 | |
But now you look back and think the '70s were just, like, bonkers! | 0:58:28 | 0:58:32 | |
MUSIC: 20th Century Boy by T.Rex | 0:58:35 | 0:58:37 | |
# Friends say it's fine Friends say it's good | 0:58:49 | 0:58:53 | |
# Everybody says it's just like Robin Hood... # | 0:58:53 | 0:58:57 |