Swansea Sparkle: A Transgender Story

MUSIC: Don't Make Me Over by Swinging Blue Jeans

The more Jack Daniels I have,

the more Sadie comes out, I'm afraid. Unfortunately.

But there's no harm in her - trust me, there's no harm in her.

She likes a good laugh, and she likes to take the mickey.

She loves having the mickey taken out of her.

She can be a right tart when she wants to be!

MUSIC: Hello Mary Lou by Ricky Nelson

My ex-wife bought most of my actual undies - what I'm wearing now,

actually, my ex-wife bought it for me.

Don't get many of them fuckers to the pound, I tell you!

# ..never part

# So, hello, Mary Lou goodbye heart... #

Suddenly - this perfume is called Suddenly.

Suddenly you stink like a Chinese brothel!

Paul is also Sadie.

He is a transvestite, and has been cross-dressing all his life.

All the people, now, on the television

will be laughing their fucking heads off.

HE CHUCKLES

Won't they?

They'll be saying, "Don't he look a twat?"

Paul is a retired builder.

He came out publicly as a transvestite in his 60s,

and he now channels his energy into helping other transvestites,

as well as men who want to transition to female.

He's been organising events for them at his home near Swansea

for the last six years through his group the Tawe Butterflies.

It's for that first initial step of saying,

"Look, I am what I am - can I come and mix with others

"to experience that first experience of being out in the open

"and people accepting me for what I am?"

# Wake up little Susie

# Wake up... #

With Tawe Butterflies growing,

Paul is embarking on his most ambitious venture yet -

to organise the Swansea Sparkle,

Wales' biggest transgender event and pageant.

But he's struggling to get the funding in place.

Today we're off to having a meeting

with the chief superintendant of South Wales Police,

Swansea division.

I'd like to get some money.

It's worrying me, to be honest with you,

because I know - I've done the sums, and we haven't got enough.

It's a do-or-die make-or-break thing.

If it doesn't happen, I'm going

to have to really pull my finger out and go elsewhere, really.

So, yeah, I'm definitely feeling the pressure now -

and the closer it gets, the worse it gets.

The Swansea Sparkle is Paul's way of breaking down barriers

between the transgender community and the wider public.

It's also the culmination of a lifelong struggle

for Paul to accept himself as a transvestite.

I met and married my first wife in three weeks,

believe it or not, by special licence,

thinking, "This'll knock it out of me."

I think the marriage and the son did suppress it for a while -

but it came back with a vengeance when it did.

Once you're a transvestite, you'll always a be a transvestite -

and I have met thousands of them, and every one of us,

when we talk about it, we'll all say we've tried stopping,

we've burnt the clothes so many times -

I've never met anybody yet to succeed, never.

In Port Talbot,

57-year-old Robert is one of the newest Tawe Butterflies.

I'm... I'm me as Rhian - but as Robert, I'm just...well, an actor.

Robert has recently come out as transgender,

and now wants to live full-time as a woman.

He's been working at the steelworks for over 30 years,

and is about to go on-site dressed as Rhian for the first time.

I came out Easter, I was...

I was going through a bit of a bad patch, really, and...

..maybe I had to go through that...

I had to go through that to get where I am -

if I hadn't gone through that, I'd still be in the same place I was.

So, it was a good thing, in a way.

Meeting Paul, well, he's fantastic.

He made me realise that you've got to be who you are.

I'm not nervous going into work as Rhian. Um...

Robert...

..is nervous.

I've always been proud of my eyelashes.

Even when I was a youngster.

Eh?

There we are.

The only thing is, do I go in with boobs, or do I go in...?

I don't think I will go in with boobs.

You know? Cos I prefer to have my own, eventually.

That's me.

Got to go.

Going into work as Rhian

was like another step up the ladder -

but coming out, I felt - oh! - over the moon.

Absolutely over the moon.

Yeah. Um...

And a strange thing happened when I was driving out.

Because I was going out at an unusual time of day,

the security stopped me at the gate...

..and I've got to stop, get out and everything,

so, fair dos to the guy at the gate, right?

He was good as gold.

I put my window down, he looked in, I said,

"I bet this was the last thing you was expecting, right?"

"Pfft, nothing to do with me, mate.

"Do what you like, mate, I'm all right, I'm all right.

"Can I look in your boot?"

I said, "All right," so, I get out and open it,

and when I was going, he said, "Listen, mate," he said,

"Don't matter what you're wearing,

"as long as you're you, don't worry about it,."

Having grown in confidence, Robert is now ready

to introduce Rhian to some of his closest friends.

Did you get lost?

-I certainly did.

-You been all over the village?

-Yeah, I know.

-I haven't met...

-Meet Rhian.

-Yeah, haven't met Rhian before.

-How are you?

-Hiya.

-You're here now.

-Yeah.

-Do you want a cup of tea?

-Oh, if you've got one...

You've got lipstick over your...

-Teeth?

-..teeth.

-Exactly like my sister does.

Gareth is a fellow steelworker.

He was the first person Robert told about Rhian.

I'm surprised, in work, how they've taken to Rhian, you know?

-How they...

-They've been great.

They've been so good, tolerant -

I'm shocked how tolerant they've been.

I wish they'd been that tolerant to me when I came out as gay, like -

but they was different times, different eras.

You're the only person that I could think of that I could confide in.

-Yeah.

-Cos I know what you went through during a younger life.

-Yeah.

-Yeah.

-And I thought you'd understand, which you did, and...

-Yeah.

-Well, you saved my life, to be honest.

All the other boys realised there was something wrong,

but they didn't know, and he just said to me,

"Well, I'm cross-dressing, and I want to go further with it,

"and I don't know where to go, who to turn to and what to do.

"I'm at my..." He's filling up, now, because of it,

because he remembers the conversation.

Because I couldn't see a way out.

Honestly, I couldn't see a life for me.

-I couldn't see...

-You couldn't see any happiness

-at the end of the road.

-No.

I...

I don't ever want to go to that place again.

-All right, I'm emotional now, but Rhian can cope with anything.

-Mm.

Robert couldn't cope any more.

Sometimes it takes certain events...

..and that makes you realise you can't hide any more.

You know?

The ultimate way of hiding is not to exist.

I thought, "Pfft, it's easy enough.

"Go to the woods, you know, and don't bother coming back."

I suppose you've got to get to that point where...

..it's either sink or swim.

I decided I'm going to swim all the way.

Paul moved to the Tawe Valley ten years ago, and it's important to him

that his members feel welcome in the local city of Swansea.

When I first started Tawe Butterflies, some six years ago now,

it became knowledge to me, through a lot of the new members,

that if they wanted to go out of a night-time, dressed,

they would go to Cardiff -

and Swansea was strictly taboo.

So, I've made it my point to break that barrier down in Swansea,

so it's most important to get the support

and the backing of the city behind me.

Agh!

We get shoved in the LGBT bracket,

and the L, G and B are pretty explanatory, what they are,

but the T is just a minefield, it really is a minefield.

There's so many different categories what will fall in that T bracket -

from transsexuals, transgenders, transvestites, cross-dressers -

and there's...I'd like to probably think of it as a ladder,

perhaps, the transvestites are at the bottom of the ladder,

and the more you go up that ladder,

the more you'll transition towards being transsexual.

Good boy. Good boy!

HE LAUGHS

The Swansea Sparkle has drawn the attention of 15-year-old Llyr,

who grew up on a farm near Aberystwyth.

He has just started his transition to become female.

So, this dress I wore to one of the Gaga concerts -

the last one I went to,

which is really nice.

I got it from a little shop in town, it's really nice.

It took quite a lot of courage to go into the shop,

cos I think it was quite late one evening,

so, I just kind of got the courage to try it on, and then...

I just felt really confident in it.

This is, like, a good... good step in my life.

The ultimate goal is to be female.

For Llyr's father, Huw, the transition isn't easy.

When I first...

..became aware of it,

it was very difficult to take in.

Um... Yeah.

And I'm... It's still ...

I'm still getting difficulty in it - although I'm accepting it, yes.

I'm still finding it a bit difficult in believing it, perhaps,

but...

..that's how he is, and we've got to accept it.

There was a lad about 20 years ago, he...he...

..he was going out on a Saturday night dressed as a girl,

with a group of girls,

but he was ridiculed quite a bit,

and I believe we, now, as a family, will be ridiculed quite a bit,

and laughed at quite a bit, as well, I'd imagine,

but Llyr has our support 100%, so...

Cos if you can't support your kids, you are very sad people, I feel.

It's less than two weeks until Sparkle,

and Paul's had some good news -

South Wales Police have given him some funding

as part of their anti hate crime initiative.

He is now ready to take things up a gear and is being helped

by fellow organiser and police officer Rhys Thomas.

First stop today is in here, in graphic design, here,

to pick our posters up, and the bridge banner.

We've got a massive big bridge banner.

You can't really not notice that, with the colours,

and then, you know, it's going on the bridge by the Hafod.

That looks all right, doesn't it?

-Yeah, it looks tremendous, doesn't it?

-Yeah.

Next stop, the National Waterfront Museum,

which is hosting the Swansea Sparkle.

We need high profile venues to put on a high profile event.

The one thing I learnt in my business days, when I was building,

you can build a palace, but if you build a palace on a council estate,

you're only going to get council house prices for it, aren't you?

Yeah, it's - location, location, location,

I think the saying, isn't it?

-Hello.

-Hiya.

At Swansea University, there's a photo opportunity,

and a chance for Paul to spread the word.

Can I give you one of these, please? Ta. Do you know what it's all about?

I'll take one. I'm not sure...

It's for the LGBT - I mean, I represent the T of LGBT.

Ever the opportunist -

the glass is half full, not half empty. Remember that.

It's like the snail that jumped on the tortoise's back, isn't it?

"Slow down, you mad bastard!"

Sparkle is a milestone for Robert.

After that date, he'll be living almost full-time as Rhian.

Ooh... Gone.

What we need is a flock of long-tailed tits, really.

His close friends are getting used to the idea of him becoming a woman.

Fred and Alan - I'm lucky, you know what I mean?

Cos if I'd lost them as friends, that would have hurt.

You know? And - well, just shows what true friends they are.

It's strange to see lipstick on a cup after he's drunk a coffee.

That's probably one of the strangest things.

Cos you don't expect it.

But at the moment, he's got a big bull's-eye tattooed on his head

for any idiot that comes along, doesn't see his point of view.

That's my only fear, though, mind.

Other than that, he's all right.

He's got good mates - in work and out of work.

And him going to - whatever it is, Razzle or Dazzle...?

Sparkle, I knew it was something to do with shiny stuff.

So, yes, I'm going to have a look at that.

The only thing that's changed,

he's given us more material to take the mickey out of.

HE LAUGHS

That's the way I see it!

MUSIC PLAYS ON PHONE

# That, that

# Dude looks like a lady

# That, that

-# Dude looks like a lady... #

-Apt.

Before deciding to transition,

bird-watching was a lifeline for Robert.

It's meant I can be alone.

Sometimes you need to be alone.

And...be comfortable with yourself.

I've been false for 57 years, you know what I mean?

And I can't forgive myself for that, because...

Rhian's quite annoyed with Robert for that.

Should have been out sooner.

But I didn't have the courage.

For Robert's wife of 37 years, the changes have been too much,

and the couple have recently divorced.

My wife seems to think that...

I married as, like, a cover.

But I didn't - I did marry my wife for love. I did.

I fell in love with my wife.

I think some of my family are...grieving for Robert.

Because Rhian's taken him away.

I do feel guilty, you know?

Rhian feels guilty for taking Robert away from my family.

But...there you are.

Rhian's got to survive,

and Rhian cannot survive as Robert.

Yeah, I'm looking at it now. It's the red one.

Yeah. Size 16, you wanted, didn't you?

Yeah.

OK, the 16. I'll take that one now, then.

Yep, OK, fair enough.

Will do.

If I do see something out of the corner of my eye that I like,

to try and avoid bringing attention to myself

at this time of looking at it, I then use a telephone,

which mobile phone I have in my hand,

I will put to my ear and make out I'm talking to a partner -

a wife or whatever - to give me the opportunity

to look at it more closely

without people thinking I'm buying it for myself.

It's funny, really,

because I'm the leader of a group like Tawe Butterflies,

and I tell all my friends, "Oh, don't be afraid,

"come on out, come on out,"

but in the same breath, I still am very, very nervous

and conscious, myself, of buying something.

I'm getting better - I'm getting a lot, lot better than I used to be.

There was a time where I wouldn't even stand here,

I'm getting a lot better, but it's something what takes time.

Whether I'll have enough time left in my life to get over it,

I don't know, but it's getting better.

Let's just say, it's getting better.

But it's the built-in guilt -

it's the 60 years of guilt and shame -

and don't forget, I tried suicide twice because of it -

and you just can't dismiss it overnight, it's as simple as that.

I'm shaking. Got to be honest!

Got to be honest.

With the transvestite - unlike the transsexual or the transgender -

we still have a strong male side, as well,

and that's where the problems arise,

because you've got two strong sides within you

battling away in your head.

And I think it was this constant battle

which led me to the point of suicide, with the shame -

the shame and the guilt I felt,

not only for myself, but what, in those days,

I thought of was, what would my father have thought of me?

When I lost my father at 14, I felt tremendously cheated,

I really did feel cheated.

And there's nothing more I wanted, was to prove myself,

I think, to my father.

I think because he was such a high role model to me,

I looked up to him so much,

and I think that's probably what's helped me a lot

with Tawe Butterflies,

to push and do what I have done with Tawe Butterflies,

I'd like to think that whatever he sees in me now,

it would be something that he would be proud of -

yes, I'd like to think that.

For teenager Llyr, Sparkle is also a milestone.

He'll be going dressed as a girl and accompanied by his mum, Diane.

Hi, Mum!

Quite early on in primary school,

I kind of realised that it wasn't really right for boys

to kind of dress like a girl, or wear make-up, or play with dolls.

Thinking about all of it at that time,

which kind of made me feel like...

like an outcast, I didn't feel like...I was normal, I guess,

cos I didn't know at that age there was other people out there

that were different.

So, me ten years from now...

I know I'll be a girl by then.

I'd be quite nervous about saying to some people,

but I thought, "No, they need to know,"

cos at some point I'm going to walk onto the bus

or come into work, and I'm going to have my daughter with me.

We've always known that Llyr was different,

so when people said, "Oh, what's going on with him,

"what's this all about?" we could use the very convenient label

of gay - because people understood gay.

And I think that sudden realisation

that, no, it's not gay, it's something completely different,

because he's a girl.

So, therefore, if he's a girl and still likes boys, he's not gay.

SHE LAUGHS

I think that sudden realisation -

it's almost like a light bulb coming on,

that - yes, this actually now makes sense.

Sparkle's another step on the journey.

It's a big step,

but it's a step that's going to be done in a very safe way -

away from home, away from prying eyes,

among a really supportive community, which I think is great.

Back at Paul's, the hard work for Sparkle is starting to pay off.

Yeah, we've had some good news - we're getting more ticket sales now,

and we also had confirmation,

now, that Kellie Maloney is going to be with us.

Kellie, who was - Frank Maloney, the boxing promoter,

who has had a lot of publicity lately,

cos she's now transitioned, and is now a transsexual,

and she's going to come, and she's offered to help for the day,

and she's going to help us in the evening with the beauty pageant.

I asked the judges to take into consideration

the amount of effort the person's put in to get dressed,

and it's the way they generally appear, themselves, you know?

The general appearance -

as well as their personality, of course.

But tonight Paul has a more pressing engagement -

it's the Tawe Butterflies Halloween party.

Oh, fuck.

Hang on a minute.

I always remember the first time I ever went out dressed,

and I was absolutely bricking it,

cos it was me first time out.

Even though I was in the security of my own car,

and it was pitch-black at night,

I still felt so vulnerable, it was untrue -

and I remember getting to the venue where I was supposed to be going,

and I sat in the car for about ten minutes

and thought, "Oh, I'm going to turn round and go home,"

I just couldn't cope with it. So, I know...

I can empathise in what they're going through

when they're coming here, the first-timers.

Shh!

Artist at work.

HE CHUCKLES

At the moment, now, I feel tremendously shameful,

because, at the moment, I am still Paul,

and you're very, very lucky I'm letting you film this,

because very few trannies will let you do this, I quite assure you -

and I can see why, because at the moment, I am still in male mode,

and what I'm doing to myself at the moment is humiliating my male side.

So, at the moment, until I feel as though I am 100% complete,

in dressing - as a female, I feel horrendous shame and guilt.

Right!

Apart from wanting a slash, I am Sadie now.

That's it - all done, all finished, all ready.

Now, there's a transformation, isn't it?

Done.

MUSIC: Tequila by The Champs

This is her first time out ever.

So, be kind to her.

Fucking lovely, innit?

Have you got your ticket for Sparkle, darling?

Do you want a ticket tonight for Sparkle?

Right.

Anybody else want a ticket for Sparkle?

I went to the event last year...

..with big disapproval from my wife at home,

so, I entered the competition just for the heck of it,

and, to my surprise, I won.

What this has done for me has greatly enhanced my confidence.

This year, my wife is coming with me to the event,

and I'd be delighted to have her company.

I'll have a Viennese whirl.

OK, Viennese whirl coming up!

THEY CHATTER

The day before Sparkle, it's Rhian's birthday,

and she's come for a makeover with make-up artist Tanya Purcell.

-Hello!

-Hello, Tanya - I'm Rhian.

-All right. Rhian?

-Yeah. Hello.

-Lovely to meet you.

All right, come in.

I need to know the proper way to do it.

And my eyebrows are horrible.

Because Rhian's got quite a high colouring on her face,

we're going for an even skin tone...

-with good coverage.

-Yeah.

And this will make a massive difference now

on your transformation.

I like it that she's being pampered, especially on her birthday.

Right, I'm just going to curl your eyelashes now.

-I'm just going to squeeze... Right, is that OK?

-Yes.

It's harder, I think, being a woman, because people expect you

to be well-groomed all the time, and, you know, to look right.

As a man, you can get away with just a T-shirt and a pair of jeans,

you know? But you can't as a woman.

I don't like men - I'd like to be attractive to women,

but if a man come up to me in a bar and offered me a drink,

I wouldn't refuse it - but I'd have to leave him down very, very gently.

Until I'm happy, I won't stop -

even if that means I will fully transition, transition...

but my age is against me -

I'm 58, so, if I was to fully transition,

I'm going to be nearly 65 before I transition,

so I've got to be sensible about it.

I'm enjoying every single moment of it.

I am. And...

the more I live as Rhian, the happier I would be. Yeah.

I'm going to give you the mirror now.

Which is not the magnified side. Hold that for me, Rhi.

-Oh, yeah.

-There we are. You can have a look now.

Oh, that's lovely.

-Is that what you wanted? As in, it's natural...

-Yes, it's natural.

-I don't...

-It's lovely.

-I don't...

-That's fabulous. Thank you.

-Your skin looks lovely.

I know - I look a bit younger, don't I?!

SHE CHUCKLES

How are your eyebrows?

Cos you were saying you hate your eyebrows, usually.

-Oh, no, they're fine.

-Yeah.

-Yeah, lovely.

When I said - when you're doing your own make-up now,

just subtle, and build it up.

-Thank you.

-Happy birthday.

-Thank you. Lovely.

It's the first time I've looked at myself with make-up on and been...

content with it, because I'm always saying,

"God, maybe I should have done this, or should have done that."

Oh...

Hello, Rhian.

Onwards and upwards.

Keep going.

SHE SIGHS

I used to feel dirty.

Not when I was changed -

when I changed back, I felt dirty and perverted.

I knew I was...should have been born a girl,

and I felt cheated...

in a way. Frightened.

And I was disgusted with myself.

The last bit of preparation for Sparkle -

but things aren't going to plan.

What a horrible day to have it on.

Absolutely...

Blowing a gale, raining -

although they do say it's going to clear up later on,

so at least it'll be all right for this afternoon and tonight,

but it's crap at the moment, it really is bad.

I'm trying to fucking tell him, but he won't listen to me.

It's pointless putting this stuff up now

because you don't want it until tomorrow night.

Wait till the stage has been shifted, then put it up.

Fucking hell - who did that?!

-Yeah, it's squashed...

-Squashed up!

Fucking look at it!

Look like I'm a fucking dwarf, doesn't it?

Squashed right up - I'm fat... Argh!

Everything what could've gone wrong

has gone wrong this week. Unbelievable.

-Tina Sparkle can't do it.

-Never!

She's gone down with tonsillitis.

It's not the only letdown -

star attraction Kellie Maloney has also pulled out.

She's advertised as being here,

so she probably is going to be a crowd-puller,

and people are going to be disappointed when she's not here.

I suppose, without Kellie going to be here,

the onus is going to be on me, isn't it, all the time?

I'll be the centre of attention again.

-HE TUTS

-Oh, dear, I'll just have to put up with it(!)

With the weather improving,

the doors are finally open for Sparkle's daytime event.

Over 60 stalls offering information, advice and top tips.

-You have got fab lashes.

-Thank you.

With those lashes, you put the gel on first...

Oh, they're nails!

I was wondering what they were, then.

-Can I introduce myself?

-Oh, please do.

-Diane.

-Hello, Diane.

-From Aberystwyth, with Llyr.

It's everything we thought it would be, and more.

So, sometimes you look forward to something so much

that when you actually get there, it's a bit sort of like,

"Er, it's OK," but, no, this is everything we ever hoped for.

It's brilliant.

We spoke to quite a few people here already,

but it was really helpful - the make-up people,

they were kind of giving us tips and stuff.

And, for Rhian, there's the opportunity to get advice

from another transgender woman - Liz, who's already started hormones.

So, you're a little but further on, I hear, from what I am.

-Yeah, I am, yeah. 14 months...

-Is it?

-How do you find it?

-..on hormones.

-Started my transition.

-Lovely.

-Yeah, yeah.

-How do you feel?

-Fantastic.

Sparkle represents a positive step for Rhian...

Oh, listen, thank you.

..but the changes in her life are also taking their toll.

I'm a little bit stressed, because, er...

my daughter won't talk to me a lot. And I don't blame her, you know?

She's got a lot to take in...

and...I think she understands I'm always there for her,

you know - I'll always be there for my daughter,

because I'm really, really proud of her.

You know?

I don't think she's very proud of me, at the moment,

but that doesn't stop me being proud of her.

There's always hope, isn't there?

With day turning to night,

it's time for our Tawe Butterflies to go home and change,

ready for the evening party and pageant.

See what I purchased today, over at Sparkles.

There you are.

Nothing on my teeth.

It's not going to be finished until I comb it, you know that, don't you?

-So, you put your rug on...

-Put my rug on.

You wouldn't believe how much help Alan has been, and Fred,

and Alan's wife, and my friends -

cos I think, if it wasn't for them, I don't think I would have survived.

There you are.

That's Rhian - I know it's not glamoury and glitzy,

as a lot of the people will be tonight,

but it's me, and that's what I want.

There you are.

Done.

I'll have to ask Alan, now, "Do I look OK?"

Well, I would kick you out of bed.

Oh, right!

That's a result, then, innit?

Right. Come on - am I OK?

You're all right. You're passable.

-Right, that's good enough for me.

-Walk-passable.

Oh, wait, I've got to change my shoes.

Right, I'm here now, and I'm ready to get plastered.

HE CHUCKLES

MUSIC: Enola Gay by Orchestral Manoeuvres In The Dark

Where's the judges?

Pageant time.

With everyone warmed up, and the party in full swing,

it's time for the pageant dance-off.

MUSIC: Shake It Off by Taylor Swift

Whoo!

15-year-old - this is her first time, dressed,

and her first time to come out to an event like this -

so, that, in itself, deserves a big round of applause.

-Come on.

-ALL CHEER

Very good friend of mine.

We've been - lots and lots of chats lately, darling, haven't we?

-Oh, yes. Yes.

-Been a big journey for you.

-Oh, huge.

-Has been a big journey - but you've got there now, haven't you?

-Oh, yes.

After a final look for the judges, it's the moment of truth,

and the title of Miss Swansea Sparkle 2015 goes to...

Come on - it's you!

..Llyr.

ALL CHEER

Well done! Fantastic.

Can I just say, everybody,

give a big round of applause to Miss Sparkle 2015.

-CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

-Well deserved.

-Congratulations.

-Thank you.

Congratulations.

-Thank you.

-Just keep on going.

-Yeah.

-Don't ever...

-Got so much confidence after today.

-Don't ever go back.

-No.

-No.

We have to come back soon.

It felt right.

Like, it felt really good, being in the dress and the shoes tonight.

It felt right. Like, that's what it should be.

It's meant a lot, coming here,

because it's just another kind of stepping stone.

-I guess I'm going back with a lot more confidence.

-Yeah.

Going back with a pillow!

Pillow and a sash and a tiara.

DIANE LAUGHS

I've had a fantastic, wonderful evening,

I've been really good, and it's a nice start to my new life.

So, it's good night, God bless, and I'll speak to you soon.

Bye. Take care.

-Bye!

-I just want a clapper, and go, "End."

You've got to keep this event going to keep the confidence building,

because if you stop it once, you'll go right back to square one again.

Yeah, definitely, Swansea's going to get there one day -

there's no two ways about it.

The more we can show them that there is people here

who have got that confidence, the more they will follow.

Like the sheep - the sheep theory, really, I suppose.

Baa!

My ultimate aim is to one day - they don't want me.

I shall be happy, then.

When I'm not needed, they've got their own world,

and they've got the rights to go out wherever they want,

whoever they want, and enjoy themselves, my job's done.

MUSIC: Lakme Flower Duet by Leo Delibes

MUSIC: Shake It Off by Taylor Swift