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This programme contains some strong language from the start. | 0:00:02 | 0:00:05 | |
I've got a mirror opposite my bed, | 0:00:05 | 0:00:07 | |
and I look in the mirror and say, "Eff off, cancer." | 0:00:07 | 0:00:09 | |
When I look in the mirror, I don't see the same person. | 0:00:09 | 0:00:12 | |
I laugh all the time. | 0:00:12 | 0:00:14 | |
I've had, erm, a long life. | 0:00:14 | 0:00:17 | |
Erm, I'm ready to die. | 0:00:17 | 0:00:19 | |
Do you ever wonder what YOU'D do if you were given a terminal diagnosis | 0:00:21 | 0:00:25 | |
and told you may only have months to live? | 0:00:25 | 0:00:29 | |
Being told you've got a terminal illness | 0:00:30 | 0:00:32 | |
hasn't got to be a death sentence. | 0:00:32 | 0:00:33 | |
It can actually be a live sentence. | 0:00:33 | 0:00:35 | |
I don't ever like to say that I'm dying. | 0:00:35 | 0:00:37 | |
I'm NOT dying. I'm living. | 0:00:37 | 0:00:40 | |
I set out to find people who knew death was round the corner, | 0:00:41 | 0:00:45 | |
but had chosen to make the most of the time they had left. | 0:00:45 | 0:00:49 | |
My life isn't about motor neurone disease. | 0:00:49 | 0:00:52 | |
-What's it about? -It's about going out and having fun. | 0:00:52 | 0:00:55 | |
For the 12 people in this film, | 0:00:57 | 0:00:59 | |
their impending death came as a complete surprise. | 0:00:59 | 0:01:03 | |
-MAN: -I've always lived my life expecting things to go wrong, | 0:01:03 | 0:01:06 | |
and they usually do, so...it didn't really bother me. | 0:01:06 | 0:01:10 | |
I wanted to find out what they'd discovered about themselves | 0:01:11 | 0:01:14 | |
and about life. | 0:01:14 | 0:01:16 | |
I think cancer has taught me a lot about what matters in life | 0:01:16 | 0:01:20 | |
and it isn't about having a long life, it's about having a good life. | 0:01:20 | 0:01:24 | |
This is not a film about death and dying. | 0:01:24 | 0:01:27 | |
My death is an adventure. | 0:01:27 | 0:01:29 | |
I've never done this before. | 0:01:29 | 0:01:31 | |
In some ways, are you happier than you've ever been? | 0:01:31 | 0:01:33 | |
Yes. And every day that goes by, I'm happier. | 0:01:33 | 0:01:37 | |
I've stolen another day. | 0:01:37 | 0:01:39 | |
This is a film about living. | 0:01:41 | 0:01:43 | |
I used to worry all the time what other people thought of me. | 0:01:51 | 0:01:54 | |
And now I really don't give a fuck! | 0:01:54 | 0:01:56 | |
Good! | 0:01:56 | 0:01:58 | |
My name is Fi, and I was 30 years old when I was told | 0:02:01 | 0:02:04 | |
that I had stage 4 ovarian cancer. | 0:02:04 | 0:02:06 | |
Before I got diagnosed, I was really busy, I was working, | 0:02:08 | 0:02:12 | |
so I was constantly on the go and I never, ever stopped. | 0:02:12 | 0:02:15 | |
By the age of 25 I had a PhD, I just kind of was really ambitious, | 0:02:19 | 0:02:24 | |
really, really driven. | 0:02:24 | 0:02:25 | |
Ewan and I had been married a couple of years | 0:02:27 | 0:02:29 | |
and we were looking to have children | 0:02:29 | 0:02:31 | |
and the plan was that I would be working and he would take time off. | 0:02:31 | 0:02:34 | |
We just kind of felt we had it all sorted. | 0:02:35 | 0:02:38 | |
Do you look back on your former self and think, "urgh"? | 0:02:40 | 0:02:44 | |
Yeah, I look back on who I was before all the time and just think, | 0:02:44 | 0:02:48 | |
you know, it was crazy how I was just so busy, | 0:02:48 | 0:02:51 | |
always worrying what people thought, | 0:02:51 | 0:02:53 | |
always wanting to be the best at everything | 0:02:53 | 0:02:55 | |
and now realising that none of that actually matters. | 0:02:55 | 0:02:58 | |
Death was now sitting on my shoulder and it wasn't... | 0:03:01 | 0:03:04 | |
it wasn't in the distant future, | 0:03:04 | 0:03:06 | |
it wasn't something I could ignore any more, so, for me, | 0:03:06 | 0:03:08 | |
I always view it that I've got just six months left. | 0:03:08 | 0:03:11 | |
This week I had an update meeting with the surgeons | 0:03:14 | 0:03:17 | |
about what my operation's going to involve. | 0:03:17 | 0:03:20 | |
What they're going to do is an incision from my breastbone, | 0:03:20 | 0:03:24 | |
all the way down. | 0:03:24 | 0:03:26 | |
And then they're going to complete a full hysterectomy, | 0:03:26 | 0:03:29 | |
which involves removing... | 0:03:29 | 0:03:31 | |
my womb. | 0:03:31 | 0:03:33 | |
We knew early on that we wouldn't be able to have children, | 0:03:34 | 0:03:38 | |
and it did upset me at the start but, as it went on, there was almost | 0:03:38 | 0:03:42 | |
a comfort in knowing that that was definitely out of window. | 0:03:42 | 0:03:45 | |
So after I got diagnosed, we got a rescue dog. | 0:03:47 | 0:03:50 | |
When we got him, they said no-one else wanted him | 0:03:51 | 0:03:54 | |
because he was falling to bits, and that's what made me want him, | 0:03:54 | 0:03:57 | |
so he just sits with me after chemotherapy | 0:03:57 | 0:03:59 | |
and he's just there and is a comfort. | 0:03:59 | 0:04:02 | |
Chemotherapy was utterly brutal. | 0:04:03 | 0:04:06 | |
It's like being tortured. | 0:04:06 | 0:04:09 | |
And I remember saying to my husband, you know, | 0:04:09 | 0:04:12 | |
"I now understand why people give up." | 0:04:12 | 0:04:14 | |
But Ewan was so stricken with grief | 0:04:17 | 0:04:20 | |
and it was at that stage that I realised that I had a choice. | 0:04:20 | 0:04:24 | |
I could either give in to this and just be miserable | 0:04:25 | 0:04:28 | |
or I could be positive. | 0:04:28 | 0:04:30 | |
'I hate people getting upset around me. | 0:04:32 | 0:04:34 | |
'I think that's just... they're anticipating my death | 0:04:34 | 0:04:37 | |
'rather than enjoying my life. | 0:04:37 | 0:04:39 | |
'And I do tell people to piss off if they're crying in front of me! | 0:04:40 | 0:04:44 | |
-'Really? -Yeah.' | 0:04:44 | 0:04:46 | |
So, is Ewan allowed to get upset? | 0:04:47 | 0:04:49 | |
Yeah, Ewan can get upset. | 0:04:49 | 0:04:52 | |
I hate to ask you this because this feels like a stupid question, | 0:04:54 | 0:04:58 | |
-but would you have liked to live longer? -Oh. | 0:04:58 | 0:05:02 | |
Sorry, I'm now thinking. | 0:05:05 | 0:05:07 | |
I think, if my choice had been to live longer and not have cancer | 0:05:08 | 0:05:13 | |
and not have the insight that I've got, I wouldn't take it. | 0:05:13 | 0:05:16 | |
I think I would rather have my cancer diagnosis | 0:05:16 | 0:05:20 | |
and have changed my life the way I have. | 0:05:20 | 0:05:22 | |
So, no. | 0:05:22 | 0:05:23 | |
That's a remarkable answer. | 0:05:23 | 0:05:25 | |
-Yeah, I think... -Does it surprise you? | 0:05:25 | 0:05:28 | |
No, I think it's something I think about quite a lot, | 0:05:28 | 0:05:31 | |
that I was, kind of, wasting life before. | 0:05:31 | 0:05:33 | |
And I would never have appreciated life if it hadn't been for cancer. | 0:05:33 | 0:05:38 | |
So cancer's definitely been a gift. | 0:05:38 | 0:05:40 | |
And if my exchange for that is time, | 0:05:40 | 0:05:42 | |
then, I'm willing to accept that gift. | 0:05:42 | 0:05:44 | |
If you've got a limited amount of time, | 0:05:48 | 0:05:51 | |
-then what do you want to spend it doing? -Laughing. | 0:05:51 | 0:05:53 | |
Having a good time. Having fun. | 0:05:53 | 0:05:56 | |
Admiring my wonderful breasts... | 0:05:57 | 0:05:59 | |
that are made out of my tummy. | 0:05:59 | 0:06:01 | |
I'm 50, and when I take my bra off, they don't move. | 0:06:01 | 0:06:04 | |
That's quite nice, isn't it? | 0:06:04 | 0:06:05 | |
My name's Lisa. | 0:06:08 | 0:06:10 | |
I was 48 when I was diagnosed with terminal cancer. | 0:06:10 | 0:06:13 | |
And I was given 12 to 18 months to live. | 0:06:13 | 0:06:16 | |
I'd been given the all-clear and we had a fantastic carefree Christmas. | 0:06:21 | 0:06:26 | |
And I was in the bath. | 0:06:29 | 0:06:31 | |
And I found a lump in my neck. And I knew. I just knew. | 0:06:32 | 0:06:36 | |
I thought, "My Lord, it's back." | 0:06:36 | 0:06:37 | |
I remember going in to see my breast surgeon. | 0:06:40 | 0:06:44 | |
And I said, "OK, all I need is three years | 0:06:45 | 0:06:49 | |
"to get my girls into university." | 0:06:49 | 0:06:51 | |
And she just shook her head and said, "No." | 0:06:51 | 0:06:54 | |
So, when we came back from the hospital, they were waiting. | 0:06:56 | 0:06:59 | |
And Georgie said, "How bad is it?" | 0:06:59 | 0:07:02 | |
And I said, "It's as bad as it can get, love." | 0:07:03 | 0:07:05 | |
I said, "It's terminal." | 0:07:05 | 0:07:07 | |
Girls? | 0:07:08 | 0:07:10 | |
Georgia! Ellie! | 0:07:10 | 0:07:12 | |
' "And... | 0:07:12 | 0:07:14 | |
' "..probably, 18 months, 2 years, max. | 0:07:15 | 0:07:18 | |
' "Be lucky to see you out of A-levels." ' | 0:07:18 | 0:07:21 | |
I like the little stars, don't you? | 0:07:22 | 0:07:24 | |
' "But your future's yours. | 0:07:25 | 0:07:27 | |
' "This disease will probably take your mother.' | 0:07:29 | 0:07:31 | |
"It's up to you if you let it take your future. | 0:07:31 | 0:07:35 | |
"So this is not an excuse to go off the rails, | 0:07:35 | 0:07:39 | |
"it is not an excuse to fail at school." | 0:07:39 | 0:07:41 | |
But if it all works out according to your plan, | 0:07:42 | 0:07:44 | |
you're going to come out really well, because you're going to get | 0:07:44 | 0:07:47 | |
three A-levels and two ASs, so that's, you know. | 0:07:47 | 0:07:50 | |
' "The way to fight this is to carry on | 0:07:50 | 0:07:53 | |
' "without this thing ruining your life." ' | 0:07:53 | 0:07:56 | |
-Do you fear for their future without you there? -No. | 0:08:02 | 0:08:05 | |
Because that's a bit futile, isn't it? | 0:08:08 | 0:08:10 | |
I can't control that. | 0:08:11 | 0:08:13 | |
All I can do is be here now, doing the best I can. | 0:08:13 | 0:08:19 | |
Like every mum. | 0:08:20 | 0:08:21 | |
I'm really pleased with it because that came up. See that Lobelia? | 0:08:26 | 0:08:30 | |
'Is there any way in which you can see positives in this diagnosis? | 0:08:31 | 0:08:34 | |
'Absolutely. | 0:08:34 | 0:08:35 | |
'I've been given a heads-up. | 0:08:35 | 0:08:38 | |
'I can live the life I want to live | 0:08:38 | 0:08:40 | |
'and do the things I want to do | 0:08:40 | 0:08:42 | |
'and put my house in order.' | 0:08:42 | 0:08:44 | |
I had very, very, very good life insurance. | 0:08:45 | 0:08:49 | |
'I've been able to retire.' | 0:08:49 | 0:08:50 | |
It allows you to DO things instead of talking about them. | 0:08:52 | 0:08:55 | |
Is there an intensity that comes with it, Lisa? | 0:08:57 | 0:09:00 | |
Oh, yes, yeah. | 0:09:00 | 0:09:02 | |
It is in a different way now. It's a gentler intensity. | 0:09:02 | 0:09:05 | |
It's like, you know, this sounds... | 0:09:05 | 0:09:07 | |
..I don't know... but the colours ARE brighter. | 0:09:08 | 0:09:11 | |
'The trees ARE greener. | 0:09:12 | 0:09:14 | |
'I notice the colour of my girls' hair. | 0:09:15 | 0:09:18 | |
'Because you notice things.' | 0:09:20 | 0:09:21 | |
I try to drink my husband's face in. | 0:09:23 | 0:09:26 | |
I try to remember every feature. | 0:09:26 | 0:09:29 | |
Um, and his hands. He's got the most beautiful hands. | 0:09:30 | 0:09:33 | |
And I look at them more these days. | 0:09:33 | 0:09:37 | |
'Now, when you are lying in bed for months on end | 0:09:45 | 0:09:50 | |
'and you cease to look like a human being... | 0:09:50 | 0:09:54 | |
'..and your husband tells you...' | 0:09:55 | 0:09:57 | |
you still look like the girl he fell in love with... | 0:09:57 | 0:10:01 | |
You know, that takes a special man. | 0:10:04 | 0:10:06 | |
'I'm not a 50-year-old woman with cancer who looks like she's been | 0:10:08 | 0:10:12 | |
'in a shark attack when she takes her clothes off. | 0:10:12 | 0:10:14 | |
'He has treasured me.' | 0:10:16 | 0:10:18 | |
If I allow myself to think... | 0:10:23 | 0:10:25 | |
..or imagine... | 0:10:27 | 0:10:28 | |
..my girls getting married without me there... | 0:10:29 | 0:10:32 | |
Or... | 0:10:35 | 0:10:36 | |
..my parents at Christmas-time. | 0:10:38 | 0:10:40 | |
Or... | 0:10:43 | 0:10:45 | |
my husband... | 0:10:45 | 0:10:47 | |
..waking up every day on his own. | 0:10:48 | 0:10:50 | |
Or never being able to watch Poldark again. | 0:10:51 | 0:10:54 | |
If I allow myself to do that, this happens. | 0:10:55 | 0:10:59 | |
That's not good. | 0:11:00 | 0:11:02 | |
Am I doing myself...any good... | 0:11:02 | 0:11:06 | |
doing this right now? | 0:11:06 | 0:11:07 | |
No, I'm not. | 0:11:08 | 0:11:10 | |
Have you thought of having a big party before you go or not? | 0:11:12 | 0:11:15 | |
-Oh, we are having that. -Oh! Silly me! | 0:11:15 | 0:11:17 | |
Next ye... Of course! | 0:11:17 | 0:11:19 | |
Next year we're having a joint 50th. | 0:11:19 | 0:11:22 | |
And if that's my last hurrah, it may not be, | 0:11:22 | 0:11:24 | |
but if it is, that'll be lovely. | 0:11:24 | 0:11:26 | |
And also, if I make it to August '18, | 0:11:26 | 0:11:30 | |
that'll be our 20th wedding anniversary, | 0:11:30 | 0:11:33 | |
and we are retaking our vows in the Saxon church here. | 0:11:33 | 0:11:37 | |
'And it's already in the vicar's diary.' | 0:11:38 | 0:11:40 | |
I was a typical man. | 0:11:46 | 0:11:48 | |
I went to work, I had a family. | 0:11:48 | 0:11:51 | |
My job was pretty full-on | 0:11:52 | 0:11:54 | |
and it was 11-hour days and some weekend work. | 0:11:54 | 0:11:58 | |
Hi, my name's Kevin. I was 49 years old | 0:11:59 | 0:12:02 | |
when I was diagnosed with incurable prostate cancer. | 0:12:02 | 0:12:05 | |
'I have three children. My eldest children live with their mum. | 0:12:08 | 0:12:11 | |
'My daughter, Hayley, she's 18, Ben is 16, | 0:12:11 | 0:12:15 | |
'and Ollie's 11, and he's just started high school.' | 0:12:15 | 0:12:18 | |
Before I told them, I didn't really know what to say or how to say it. | 0:12:19 | 0:12:23 | |
And I went on to one of the charities' websites | 0:12:23 | 0:12:27 | |
and it talked about how you tell your children. | 0:12:27 | 0:12:30 | |
They knew that there was some bad news coming. | 0:12:31 | 0:12:34 | |
And they thought I was going to tell them Grandad was going to die, | 0:12:34 | 0:12:37 | |
and they were quite shocked when I said it was me | 0:12:37 | 0:12:39 | |
that actually had prostate cancer and that I was going to die. | 0:12:39 | 0:12:43 | |
Actually, that's not quite true. | 0:12:43 | 0:12:45 | |
I said I had prostate cancer and it wasn't curable. | 0:12:45 | 0:12:48 | |
And we cried a bit. You know, lots of big hugs. | 0:12:49 | 0:12:52 | |
Bit like the Teletubbies, really. | 0:12:52 | 0:12:54 | |
Then I went to the park with the three kids and played football, | 0:12:54 | 0:12:57 | |
just to prove that even though I had this, sort of, rubbish disease, | 0:12:57 | 0:13:00 | |
it didn't mean we had to stop doing things we always did. | 0:13:00 | 0:13:02 | |
'When I was first diagnosed, I was sad about everything all the time.' | 0:13:05 | 0:13:08 | |
Wake up at one in the morning and just cry for three hours. | 0:13:08 | 0:13:12 | |
And I remember being very conscious that I mustn't wake my wife up | 0:13:12 | 0:13:15 | |
because I didn't want to share the burden with her, | 0:13:15 | 0:13:18 | |
so I would just lie there and sob quietly to myself. | 0:13:18 | 0:13:20 | |
I came home from the first dose of chemotherapy | 0:13:23 | 0:13:26 | |
and I felt like I had to behave a certain way. | 0:13:26 | 0:13:29 | |
And I shuffled out of the car, up the steps into my front room, | 0:13:33 | 0:13:37 | |
sat in the armchair, a bit like a really, really old person. | 0:13:37 | 0:13:41 | |
The next morning I woke up and I thought, this is a defining moment. | 0:13:44 | 0:13:47 | |
Now is the time I either lie in bed or get up and do something. | 0:13:47 | 0:13:52 | |
I got up and I said, "I'm going to go for a run." | 0:13:53 | 0:13:56 | |
My wife looked at me and said, | 0:13:56 | 0:13:57 | |
"No, you can't go for a run, you've just had chemotherapy." | 0:13:57 | 0:13:59 | |
I said, "Why can't I?" | 0:13:59 | 0:14:01 | |
And I ran three miles. | 0:14:04 | 0:14:06 | |
And I was very slow and I felt awful. | 0:14:06 | 0:14:09 | |
But, mentally, I felt absolutely elated, | 0:14:12 | 0:14:14 | |
cos I felt I could still do something. | 0:14:14 | 0:14:18 | |
Running is my salvation, really. | 0:14:20 | 0:14:22 | |
How important is hope? | 0:14:25 | 0:14:27 | |
I don't really have any hope. | 0:14:27 | 0:14:29 | |
That's not me. I deal in factual things and probability. | 0:14:30 | 0:14:34 | |
There is no miracle cure. | 0:14:34 | 0:14:37 | |
So the probable situation for me is that there will be something that | 0:14:37 | 0:14:40 | |
might give me another few months but it's never going to cure me | 0:14:40 | 0:14:43 | |
and it's never going to give me a whole more load of years. | 0:14:43 | 0:14:47 | |
-TANNOY: -Cinq, quatre, trois, deux, un! | 0:14:47 | 0:14:51 | |
'The one thing which I wanted to do since my diagnosis | 0:14:52 | 0:14:55 | |
'is a race called the Marathon des Sables. | 0:14:55 | 0:14:58 | |
'It is a marathon on a Sunday, a marathon on a Monday, | 0:15:00 | 0:15:02 | |
'a marathon on Tuesday, a double marathon on Wednesday. | 0:15:02 | 0:15:05 | |
'Thursday you get off, | 0:15:05 | 0:15:07 | |
'a marathon on Friday and a half marathon on Saturday. | 0:15:07 | 0:15:09 | |
'You do all of that in the Sahara, over sand dunes, | 0:15:10 | 0:15:14 | |
'carrying 24lbs on your back. | 0:15:14 | 0:15:16 | |
'I never really thought I would make it,' | 0:15:18 | 0:15:20 | |
so getting to the start was actually my bucket list thing. | 0:15:20 | 0:15:24 | |
It wasn't about finishing it. | 0:15:24 | 0:15:26 | |
'Having any terminal illness has to be lonely at times. | 0:15:38 | 0:15:42 | |
'And it is. | 0:15:42 | 0:15:44 | |
'Running is the one thing where I can escape my reality. | 0:15:51 | 0:15:55 | |
'It's like a miracle cure. | 0:15:56 | 0:15:58 | |
'I feel like Captain Ahab at the wheel, with Moby-Dick' | 0:16:00 | 0:16:04 | |
saying, "Come on, bring it on, how strong do you want to throw at me | 0:16:04 | 0:16:07 | |
"because I'm still going to keep on going, you're not going to beat me." | 0:16:07 | 0:16:10 | |
And that...I think that helps me get through cancer. | 0:16:10 | 0:16:13 | |
'And in the end, yeah, maybe Moby-Dick's going to get me, | 0:16:20 | 0:16:23 | |
'but along the way I'm going to give it a damn good fight.' | 0:16:23 | 0:16:26 | |
I've had the job that I always wanted to have. | 0:16:39 | 0:16:41 | |
I have a husband and I'm incredibly happy. | 0:16:41 | 0:16:44 | |
'I have four beautiful children.' | 0:16:45 | 0:16:48 | |
And I just want to see them through childhood, | 0:16:48 | 0:16:51 | |
so I'm going to fight like mad. | 0:16:51 | 0:16:53 | |
'My name's Louise' | 0:16:56 | 0:16:58 | |
and I was diagnosed with stage 4 breast cancer when I was 44. | 0:16:58 | 0:17:03 | |
'It's been 18 months since my stage 4 diagnosis.' | 0:17:05 | 0:17:09 | |
And I do spend a very, very long time | 0:17:09 | 0:17:11 | |
researching alternative treatments. | 0:17:11 | 0:17:14 | |
I would like to think that they are going to extend my life | 0:17:16 | 0:17:19 | |
and they are extending the quality of my life. | 0:17:19 | 0:17:21 | |
And I know that sometimes people probably think, | 0:17:21 | 0:17:24 | |
"Oh, she's completely deluded, poor woman." | 0:17:24 | 0:17:26 | |
But I've just got to hope that... | 0:17:26 | 0:17:29 | |
I will defy the odds. | 0:17:29 | 0:17:31 | |
I drink lots of vegetable juices. | 0:17:35 | 0:17:38 | |
I went vegan. I've got an infrared sauna upstairs. | 0:17:38 | 0:17:41 | |
Suitcases of supplements. Curcumin, that's turmeric. | 0:17:41 | 0:17:44 | |
Milk thistle is really good for the liver. | 0:17:44 | 0:17:46 | |
I don't eat any sugar. I don't have any alcohol. | 0:17:46 | 0:17:49 | |
In fact, I'm much more healthy than I've probably ever been. | 0:17:49 | 0:17:53 | |
'I'll tell you a conversation I had with Ned, he's the youngest,' | 0:17:59 | 0:18:03 | |
and I wanted to know if he had thought about me dying. | 0:18:03 | 0:18:07 | |
I've never said to him directly, erm... | 0:18:07 | 0:18:10 | |
"Mummy's probably going to die." | 0:18:10 | 0:18:13 | |
So, then I said, "Have you ever thought about me dying?" | 0:18:15 | 0:18:19 | |
And he looked out the window and he looked around, | 0:18:19 | 0:18:22 | |
like he was embarrassed, and then I knew that he had. | 0:18:22 | 0:18:25 | |
And I said, "It's OK if you have." | 0:18:25 | 0:18:28 | |
And he said, "Yes." He goes, "Yes, I have." | 0:18:28 | 0:18:30 | |
' "And what does that make you feel?" | 0:18:32 | 0:18:34 | |
'I said, "I'm going to try not to, I'm trying really hard not to, | 0:18:34 | 0:18:37 | |
' "but what if I do?" ' | 0:18:37 | 0:18:39 | |
He went, "Well... | 0:18:40 | 0:18:42 | |
"You know, I think I might, I might cry, you know, a lot, | 0:18:42 | 0:18:46 | |
"for maybe an hour." | 0:18:46 | 0:18:48 | |
So then I went, "An hour?! You'd only cry for an hour?!" | 0:18:49 | 0:18:53 | |
And then it was just, like, it broke... | 0:18:53 | 0:18:56 | |
I felt so relieved that even though we'd not talked about it directly | 0:18:56 | 0:19:00 | |
in that way, that he was under no illusion that I might die. | 0:19:00 | 0:19:05 | |
And that kind of gave me comfort. | 0:19:06 | 0:19:07 | |
I've, sort of, planned out what I want to do before I die. | 0:19:16 | 0:19:21 | |
I feel really privileged that I've got the time to do that. | 0:19:22 | 0:19:26 | |
It's about organising the photographs for the children, | 0:19:26 | 0:19:30 | |
because I'm the only one who ever knows where anything is. | 0:19:30 | 0:19:34 | |
I'm going to knit them each a blanket. | 0:19:36 | 0:19:39 | |
And, of course, if you've got a project, | 0:19:39 | 0:19:41 | |
you can't die until your project's over. | 0:19:41 | 0:19:43 | |
So, four children, four blankets, and a hopeless knitter, | 0:19:43 | 0:19:47 | |
means I'll be working on that project for a very long time! | 0:19:47 | 0:19:52 | |
I get to write them little messages, so they've got a block of postcards | 0:19:55 | 0:19:59 | |
so that they can just, like, pick one out, | 0:19:59 | 0:20:01 | |
and it just says things like... | 0:20:01 | 0:20:03 | |
We always do a sweepstake when it's the World Cup, | 0:20:04 | 0:20:09 | |
and that they have to still include a couple for me. | 0:20:09 | 0:20:12 | |
Ned is the one who, | 0:20:17 | 0:20:19 | |
I just have been in terror of the idea of him without a mother. | 0:20:19 | 0:20:23 | |
He's 13 now. | 0:20:24 | 0:20:26 | |
A vulnerable time for a boy. | 0:20:26 | 0:20:29 | |
And so I've sent him to my sister's for a term. | 0:20:29 | 0:20:32 | |
Hello. | 0:20:35 | 0:20:36 | |
-How are you? -Hello. -How are you, sweetie? | 0:20:37 | 0:20:40 | |
'And my sister has got her own children | 0:20:40 | 0:20:43 | |
'and she lives in Singapore.' | 0:20:43 | 0:20:45 | |
Can you sit up straight? I can't see you properly. | 0:20:45 | 0:20:48 | |
My ambition is that he builds a much closer relationship | 0:20:49 | 0:20:53 | |
with Cecilia so that maybe, if I don't make it, | 0:20:53 | 0:20:56 | |
that he could possibly go to school there. | 0:20:56 | 0:21:00 | |
It's one of those things I was afraid of. | 0:21:01 | 0:21:03 | |
And I feel like I've made just such a right decision | 0:21:03 | 0:21:06 | |
to give him that life for when I'm not here. | 0:21:06 | 0:21:10 | |
-Love you. -Love you. | 0:21:11 | 0:21:13 | |
Bye. | 0:21:13 | 0:21:14 | |
Do you think you've learned quite a lot about life | 0:21:14 | 0:21:17 | |
and about yourself because of this? | 0:21:17 | 0:21:19 | |
Yes. | 0:21:19 | 0:21:20 | |
Have I? Well, I'm more brave than I thought I was. | 0:21:20 | 0:21:23 | |
'I feel as if, if I didn't have my family, | 0:21:26 | 0:21:29 | |
'I wonder if I would be so strong. | 0:21:29 | 0:21:32 | |
'I... | 0:21:33 | 0:21:34 | |
'I feel that I'm achieving the end of life' | 0:21:34 | 0:21:40 | |
in a way that I would respect someone for doing. | 0:21:40 | 0:21:44 | |
And every time I see the children happy | 0:21:44 | 0:21:47 | |
and our family just functioning as normally as possible... | 0:21:47 | 0:21:53 | |
..I'm so proud that we are managing to do this, | 0:21:54 | 0:21:59 | |
erm, and not be... | 0:21:59 | 0:22:01 | |
you know, dominated by the possible death of Mum. | 0:22:01 | 0:22:07 | |
'If you said to me, did I want this project, I can think of other ones | 0:22:16 | 0:22:19 | |
'I'd rather have than project managing my own death.' | 0:22:19 | 0:22:22 | |
What's a little relief is I didn't want to grow old | 0:22:28 | 0:22:31 | |
and be a miserable old bugger. | 0:22:31 | 0:22:33 | |
'Jenny, I know, didn't ever want to have to tell me | 0:22:34 | 0:22:36 | |
'I was so old I couldn't drive any more.' | 0:22:36 | 0:22:39 | |
The relief is, we haven't got that problem now. | 0:22:39 | 0:22:42 | |
'I'm Kevin, I'm 69 years old,' | 0:22:45 | 0:22:48 | |
and four months ago I learned that I had incurable cancer. | 0:22:48 | 0:22:51 | |
It's prostate cancer which has spread to my bones. | 0:22:52 | 0:22:55 | |
The prognosis might give me an additional two years. | 0:22:58 | 0:23:02 | |
To know how long you have helps you develop the game plan | 0:23:02 | 0:23:06 | |
for coping with it. | 0:23:06 | 0:23:07 | |
Are you going to ring her later or do you want her to ring you? | 0:23:09 | 0:23:11 | |
I know that Martin couldn't make the meeting | 0:23:11 | 0:23:14 | |
but I think he'll be pleased with the position we've got to. | 0:23:14 | 0:23:16 | |
Turns out that's a green day for me so that should be no problem at all. | 0:23:16 | 0:23:19 | |
Talk to you soon. Bye-bye. | 0:23:19 | 0:23:21 | |
It's not consciously project managing my own death, | 0:23:22 | 0:23:26 | |
but if you take a project management model | 0:23:26 | 0:23:29 | |
you, kind of, set targets and you assess progress. | 0:23:29 | 0:23:33 | |
And for somebody whose dad dropped dead at 64, | 0:23:34 | 0:23:37 | |
so my mother was never able to say goodbye, | 0:23:37 | 0:23:40 | |
it's a huge privilege to know that we've actually got some time. | 0:23:40 | 0:23:43 | |
It's a real opportunity to live the rest of my life | 0:23:43 | 0:23:47 | |
as positively as possible. | 0:23:47 | 0:23:49 | |
My first wife died of cancer at the age of 49, | 0:23:50 | 0:23:54 | |
but I only had a vague expectation | 0:23:54 | 0:23:57 | |
that I would die one day. | 0:23:57 | 0:24:00 | |
And what this gives you is clarity about that. | 0:24:00 | 0:24:04 | |
Real clarity. | 0:24:04 | 0:24:06 | |
You read all the stuff about diet. | 0:24:08 | 0:24:11 | |
And I know that I could become a green-tea-drinking vegan | 0:24:11 | 0:24:15 | |
and that might give me a little while longer, | 0:24:15 | 0:24:17 | |
but the things that have got me to 69, | 0:24:17 | 0:24:19 | |
there's no point junking them now | 0:24:19 | 0:24:22 | |
in case it gave me another two months | 0:24:22 | 0:24:24 | |
because it's given me the 69 years I've had. | 0:24:24 | 0:24:26 | |
And that includes a glass of wine. | 0:24:26 | 0:24:28 | |
Good for you! | 0:24:29 | 0:24:31 | |
I'm hugely lucky I've got a supportive wife | 0:24:35 | 0:24:38 | |
who's on the journey with me for as long as she can be. | 0:24:38 | 0:24:40 | |
But there'll come a point where our destinations diverge, | 0:24:43 | 0:24:46 | |
cos I'm going to die and she's not. | 0:24:46 | 0:24:48 | |
And I see my duty as her husband | 0:24:48 | 0:24:51 | |
is to help her approach that new life as positively as she can. | 0:24:51 | 0:24:55 | |
There's a Word document of all the things | 0:24:57 | 0:24:59 | |
that I need to share with Jenny, | 0:24:59 | 0:25:01 | |
and we've been through nearly all of them. | 0:25:01 | 0:25:04 | |
That gives me great comfort because it means... | 0:25:04 | 0:25:06 | |
it means that I'm loving her to the last possible moment. | 0:25:06 | 0:25:10 | |
I'll have the English breakfast, please. | 0:25:10 | 0:25:12 | |
'Since the diagnosis four months ago,' | 0:25:12 | 0:25:16 | |
we've actually had some of the best times of our life. | 0:25:16 | 0:25:19 | |
Thank you. That was a lovely breakfast. Thanks. | 0:25:19 | 0:25:22 | |
The gift of life is somehow reinforced | 0:25:22 | 0:25:25 | |
when suddenly you're reminded it's finite. | 0:25:25 | 0:25:28 | |
When you know that you haven't got long, | 0:25:31 | 0:25:33 | |
are there things that you think, | 0:25:33 | 0:25:35 | |
"I'd like to sort that out before I die?" | 0:25:35 | 0:25:37 | |
-Do you have any areas like that? -Yes, I do. | 0:25:37 | 0:25:39 | |
Yes, I do. | 0:25:39 | 0:25:41 | |
I...erm, I have two children. | 0:25:41 | 0:25:44 | |
My daughter has just given birth to our first grandchild. | 0:25:44 | 0:25:49 | |
And I talk to my daughter a lot more than I used to, as a result of this. | 0:25:49 | 0:25:53 | |
I also have a son but, sadly, I have no contact with him. | 0:25:53 | 0:25:58 | |
I haven't seen my son for some eight years. | 0:25:59 | 0:26:02 | |
Whatever I did wrong, I regret. | 0:26:04 | 0:26:06 | |
If I could put that right in some way before I die, | 0:26:06 | 0:26:10 | |
I would be delighted to. | 0:26:10 | 0:26:12 | |
I'm not afraid of death. | 0:26:18 | 0:26:20 | |
I think if I was 19, 29, 39, 49, instead of 69, | 0:26:20 | 0:26:24 | |
I think I might well feel differently. | 0:26:24 | 0:26:27 | |
I might well feel robbed of opportunity, | 0:26:27 | 0:26:29 | |
I might well feel that I was entitled to longer. | 0:26:29 | 0:26:32 | |
My job is to make my death as positive as possible, | 0:26:34 | 0:26:38 | |
which means smiling to the end. | 0:26:38 | 0:26:41 | |
And saying, "Goodbye. Thank you." | 0:26:41 | 0:26:43 | |
Can you tell me something, Jolene, do you feel | 0:26:57 | 0:26:59 | |
like you've been robbed of your life because you're so young? | 0:26:59 | 0:27:02 | |
Yeah, definitely. | 0:27:02 | 0:27:04 | |
I feel really hard done by, but I think it teaches you a lot. | 0:27:04 | 0:27:08 | |
My name is Jolene and I was 23 when I was told I had malignant melanoma | 0:27:09 | 0:27:13 | |
and may only have 18 months to live. | 0:27:13 | 0:27:15 | |
You just want to feel like a normal 20-something-year-old | 0:27:19 | 0:27:21 | |
doing normal things. | 0:27:21 | 0:27:23 | |
Hanging out with your friends, getting takeaway on a Friday night, | 0:27:23 | 0:27:27 | |
going to work. | 0:27:27 | 0:27:29 | |
Hello, Sadler's Wells press office. Jolene speaking. | 0:27:33 | 0:27:36 | |
I work at Sadler's Wells Theatre in the press and communications team. | 0:27:37 | 0:27:41 | |
People don't focus on the fact that you're ill, | 0:27:42 | 0:27:44 | |
they just focus on the work that you're doing | 0:27:44 | 0:27:47 | |
and they care if you're doing a good job. | 0:27:47 | 0:27:49 | |
But you were told that you might only have 18 months to live. | 0:27:50 | 0:27:54 | |
Why on earth, Jolene, did you go back to work? | 0:27:54 | 0:27:58 | |
Work is important to me. | 0:27:59 | 0:28:01 | |
To have something to focus on that isn't being ill | 0:28:01 | 0:28:04 | |
is a big distraction, and I really enjoy that. | 0:28:04 | 0:28:08 | |
I think it's hard to tell, as well, because they're in rehearsals, | 0:28:10 | 0:28:13 | |
which has only just started this week... | 0:28:13 | 0:28:15 | |
'I think, at my age, you just have to get on with it.' | 0:28:15 | 0:28:17 | |
You either carry on or you choose to admit defeat. | 0:28:17 | 0:28:21 | |
And I'm not ready for that yet. | 0:28:21 | 0:28:23 | |
One of the best things I've ever done in this process | 0:28:25 | 0:28:28 | |
is have my eyebrows tattooed. | 0:28:28 | 0:28:29 | |
It's not really anything to do with vanity. | 0:28:29 | 0:28:33 | |
Basically, you want to fit in, | 0:28:33 | 0:28:35 | |
and cancer makes you an outsider in a world full of insiders. | 0:28:35 | 0:28:38 | |
I never know whether to actually smile. | 0:28:41 | 0:28:43 | |
I like that I look well. I like that I don't look ill. | 0:28:44 | 0:28:49 | |
Tell me about blokes and boys and boyfriends. | 0:28:51 | 0:28:54 | |
Yeah, I definitely think that would be nice, | 0:28:54 | 0:28:57 | |
but how do you introduce yourself to someone? | 0:28:57 | 0:29:00 | |
Basically, "By the way, I'm dying, do you want to go out with me?" | 0:29:00 | 0:29:03 | |
That's not going to happen, is it? | 0:29:03 | 0:29:05 | |
Like, everyone goes, "Oh, yeah, it'll be fine." | 0:29:05 | 0:29:08 | |
It wouldn't be fine! Like, that's a stupid idea! | 0:29:08 | 0:29:10 | |
I've divided my life into two very clear segments in terms of me | 0:29:14 | 0:29:17 | |
having my treatment and me having a life outside of that. | 0:29:17 | 0:29:22 | |
I very much keep them separate as much as I can. | 0:29:22 | 0:29:25 | |
I think that's actually quite key to me staying as positive as I am | 0:29:25 | 0:29:30 | |
and as sane as I am. | 0:29:30 | 0:29:32 | |
-I thought you went to Poland with that? -And Poland, yes. | 0:29:32 | 0:29:34 | |
Remember I went to Dubai - you said, | 0:29:34 | 0:29:36 | |
"You're never going to cope with the heat." | 0:29:36 | 0:29:37 | |
-Not long till OUR break away! -I know. | 0:29:37 | 0:29:40 | |
-When do you go? -We go on the 12th to the 15th, | 0:29:40 | 0:29:42 | |
so it's, like, Saturday to Tuesday. | 0:29:42 | 0:29:43 | |
'I guess nicer times are when I'm in London. | 0:29:43 | 0:29:47 | |
'And then the other part is when I go home every three weeks | 0:29:47 | 0:29:50 | |
'to have chemotherapy.' | 0:29:50 | 0:29:52 | |
Are you quite proud of yourself, of what you've managed to do? | 0:29:53 | 0:29:56 | |
Yeah, I'm really smug about it, if I'm honest. | 0:29:56 | 0:29:59 | |
-Really? -I'm a bit like, "Hm, look at me, haven't I achieved a lot?" | 0:29:59 | 0:30:05 | |
In terms of, obviously, being unwell | 0:30:05 | 0:30:09 | |
and how I've, sort of, responded to treatment and overcome, | 0:30:09 | 0:30:12 | |
I guess, a lot of hurdles. | 0:30:12 | 0:30:13 | |
I definitely know that I'm going to keep fighting, | 0:30:15 | 0:30:18 | |
but I know that eventually I won't win. | 0:30:18 | 0:30:21 | |
But if I admit that I'm not going to win, then I'll lose sooner. | 0:30:21 | 0:30:25 | |
-That's quite scary, that admission, isn't it? -Yeah. | 0:30:28 | 0:30:31 | |
Because, ultimately, we all know that I'm living on borrowed time. | 0:30:31 | 0:30:36 | |
Like, that's pretty hard to comprehend, | 0:30:36 | 0:30:39 | |
but we all know it's true. | 0:30:39 | 0:30:41 | |
Breathe deeply. | 0:30:44 | 0:30:45 | |
Yeah, that's a real tough one. | 0:30:51 | 0:30:53 | |
If I were to just admit to myself, like, I'm going to die, | 0:31:01 | 0:31:05 | |
and I don't know how long it's going to be, | 0:31:05 | 0:31:07 | |
I think I'd be worse off than I am now. | 0:31:07 | 0:31:10 | |
-Do you think you'd die quicker? -Yeah. | 0:31:10 | 0:31:12 | |
When I'm less well, I guess I'll end up going and living at home | 0:31:16 | 0:31:20 | |
with my mum. I don't really want to do that any time soon or by choice | 0:31:20 | 0:31:24 | |
because, to me, that's the beginning of, sort of, a downward spiral. | 0:31:24 | 0:31:28 | |
Is it important to you that people think that you're strong? | 0:31:29 | 0:31:33 | |
Yeah, it's REALLY important that people think I'm strong. | 0:31:33 | 0:31:36 | |
I don't want to look weak. | 0:31:36 | 0:31:37 | |
Why not? | 0:31:38 | 0:31:40 | |
Because I think that's admitting defeat. | 0:31:40 | 0:31:42 | |
So, I'm going to stay, you know, | 0:31:43 | 0:31:46 | |
standing on my two feet independently for as long as I can. | 0:31:46 | 0:31:50 | |
So, did your prognosis change you, Annabel? | 0:31:58 | 0:32:00 | |
Did it make you a stronger person? | 0:32:00 | 0:32:02 | |
Certainly, yeah. | 0:32:02 | 0:32:04 | |
It made me a much more confident person than I had ever been before. | 0:32:04 | 0:32:08 | |
'My name's Annabel. | 0:32:10 | 0:32:12 | |
'I was 51 when I discovered that I had stage 4 cancer.' | 0:32:12 | 0:32:17 | |
I decided to make myself a bucket list | 0:32:20 | 0:32:23 | |
and my first thing was to... | 0:32:23 | 0:32:26 | |
leave my husband. | 0:32:26 | 0:32:29 | |
I met my husband at university. | 0:32:31 | 0:32:34 | |
We were together 28 years. | 0:32:34 | 0:32:36 | |
I had a good life in my marriage but I just felt trapped, | 0:32:37 | 0:32:41 | |
completely trapped, and I wanted to just break free. | 0:32:41 | 0:32:45 | |
I got some inheritance money from my family. | 0:32:47 | 0:32:49 | |
I moved into my own flat. | 0:32:50 | 0:32:53 | |
I took up art, painting, I went travelling all around the world, | 0:32:53 | 0:32:58 | |
I took my children to different places. | 0:32:58 | 0:33:00 | |
Knowing that I only had a short time to go... | 0:33:01 | 0:33:05 | |
I thought, I just can't live my life just carrying on being a housewife. | 0:33:05 | 0:33:10 | |
I wanted to spend the last two or three years | 0:33:11 | 0:33:14 | |
doing something different. | 0:33:14 | 0:33:15 | |
How did your children react? | 0:33:18 | 0:33:20 | |
I did ask my children before I left, | 0:33:20 | 0:33:23 | |
and they both actually agreed that I would be happier | 0:33:23 | 0:33:27 | |
if I went and did my own thing. | 0:33:27 | 0:33:30 | |
'I'd always wanted to learn salsa dancing.' | 0:33:34 | 0:33:37 | |
It was a good way to meet new people and maybe meet a new partner. | 0:33:38 | 0:33:43 | |
People didn't know I had a terminal illness, | 0:33:45 | 0:33:48 | |
they just thought I had a dodgy leg. | 0:33:48 | 0:33:51 | |
But it's a real shame I can't do it any more. | 0:33:52 | 0:33:55 | |
It's one of the things I miss. | 0:33:55 | 0:33:57 | |
When I left my husband, | 0:33:59 | 0:34:01 | |
I didn't leave him for another man or anything, | 0:34:01 | 0:34:04 | |
but I did need to make a new love life for myself. | 0:34:04 | 0:34:08 | |
And I have done that. | 0:34:08 | 0:34:10 | |
I've lived for four years now with bone cancer, | 0:34:13 | 0:34:17 | |
and I think it's helped | 0:34:17 | 0:34:19 | |
because I've lived such a positive life and changed so much of it. | 0:34:19 | 0:34:23 | |
If I hadn't had the cancer, I'd just be a dull, sort of, person, | 0:34:26 | 0:34:29 | |
but because of the cancer I've become a much more... | 0:34:29 | 0:34:33 | |
interesting, | 0:34:33 | 0:34:35 | |
outrageous, | 0:34:35 | 0:34:37 | |
naughty older woman. | 0:34:37 | 0:34:40 | |
My name is Paulette. | 0:34:50 | 0:34:52 | |
I was 45 years old when I was diagnosed with Thymoma 3B. | 0:34:52 | 0:34:56 | |
Everything happened very quickly and I went to see an oncologist. | 0:35:00 | 0:35:04 | |
And I boldly asked him, "Well, how long do you think I have, | 0:35:04 | 0:35:09 | |
"if this is so serious?" | 0:35:09 | 0:35:11 | |
And he said, "Four months." | 0:35:11 | 0:35:14 | |
You could have blown me away. | 0:35:16 | 0:35:18 | |
I'd always been a very fit person. | 0:35:21 | 0:35:24 | |
I love my swimming, running, netball. | 0:35:24 | 0:35:27 | |
I work full-time in a secondary school. | 0:35:30 | 0:35:33 | |
And I really enjoyed my job. | 0:35:34 | 0:35:36 | |
I continued to enjoy it until my diagnosis. | 0:35:36 | 0:35:39 | |
I've brought two boys up. | 0:35:47 | 0:35:49 | |
Lovely boys. | 0:35:49 | 0:35:50 | |
Since I was 25, I brought them up on my own. | 0:35:51 | 0:35:55 | |
And it's been a challenge, | 0:35:55 | 0:35:58 | |
especially having one with special needs, | 0:35:58 | 0:36:00 | |
severe learning difficulties. | 0:36:00 | 0:36:02 | |
Tell me how much and how important your faith is. | 0:36:06 | 0:36:09 | |
Tremendously. | 0:36:09 | 0:36:11 | |
God lives within me. I don't do one without the other. | 0:36:11 | 0:36:15 | |
I am who I am because of him. | 0:36:15 | 0:36:17 | |
Do you ever scold him and say, | 0:36:20 | 0:36:22 | |
"Haven't I had enough problems to deal with?" | 0:36:22 | 0:36:24 | |
-I've been mad. -Have you? Have you shouted at God? | 0:36:24 | 0:36:26 | |
I've been mad. I shouted, I've screamed. | 0:36:26 | 0:36:28 | |
Welcome, welcome. Thank you. Good morning, church. | 0:36:28 | 0:36:31 | |
-ALL: -Good morning. | 0:36:31 | 0:36:33 | |
"How dare you?! Look how good I've been to people, | 0:36:33 | 0:36:36 | |
"and you turn round and do this." | 0:36:36 | 0:36:38 | |
With this cancer that I have, I've decided that I'm going to go away, | 0:36:38 | 0:36:43 | |
I'm going away in faith, but I will be in the hospital, | 0:36:43 | 0:36:47 | |
and I will do what I need to do and I'll be on the journey with God. | 0:36:47 | 0:36:51 | |
Thank you very much. | 0:36:51 | 0:36:53 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:36:53 | 0:36:55 | |
I grew up in a children's home | 0:36:58 | 0:37:00 | |
and, um, I stayed there up until I was five years old. | 0:37:00 | 0:37:04 | |
My mother was a schoolgirl mother, at 14 years old. | 0:37:06 | 0:37:10 | |
I remember taking a coach at five years old | 0:37:11 | 0:37:15 | |
with one of the ladies from the home, | 0:37:15 | 0:37:17 | |
who said that I was going to stay with my gran, aunt and my uncle. | 0:37:17 | 0:37:22 | |
I was never able to... | 0:37:24 | 0:37:26 | |
..acknowledge my birth mother. | 0:37:27 | 0:37:30 | |
But I always remember Bev, my mother, | 0:37:32 | 0:37:35 | |
coming to see me every time I had a child. | 0:37:35 | 0:37:38 | |
She would come and bring me a gift and we had pleasantry. | 0:37:38 | 0:37:41 | |
We'd just say, "How are you?" I'd say, "Fine." And that was it. | 0:37:41 | 0:37:44 | |
-So the cancer changed everything? -Everything. Everything, it changed. | 0:37:46 | 0:37:51 | |
She was at my door straightaway. | 0:37:51 | 0:37:53 | |
And since then, we've spoken every day. | 0:37:53 | 0:37:55 | |
I can't believe how much she loves me. | 0:37:56 | 0:38:00 | |
And I can't imagine life without her. | 0:38:01 | 0:38:03 | |
And I won't have life without her now. | 0:38:03 | 0:38:06 | |
That's been the best antidote for coping with cancer. | 0:38:08 | 0:38:11 | |
What's helped you most get through this? | 0:38:21 | 0:38:24 | |
'Having the support of Carrie, who...' | 0:38:24 | 0:38:27 | |
is tremend...is just tremendous. | 0:38:27 | 0:38:31 | |
'She keeps everything together.' | 0:38:31 | 0:38:34 | |
I've been with Carrie since we were 18 - her 18th birthday. | 0:38:36 | 0:38:40 | |
Been married for nine years. | 0:38:42 | 0:38:45 | |
Been working as a police officer for 14 years. | 0:38:46 | 0:38:50 | |
General stresses of two young children! | 0:38:54 | 0:38:57 | |
We were exactly where we wanted to be. | 0:38:58 | 0:39:01 | |
My name's Steve, and last year, at the age of 36, | 0:39:05 | 0:39:10 | |
I was diagnosed with a grade 4 brain tumour... | 0:39:10 | 0:39:15 | |
..that had an average life expectancy of two years. | 0:39:16 | 0:39:20 | |
'The first 18 months have been really positive. | 0:39:24 | 0:39:28 | |
'I've still managed to get around because I can still talk' | 0:39:28 | 0:39:32 | |
and communicate, and I can still walk and I'm still able to work. | 0:39:32 | 0:39:35 | |
'Does it feel like a fight? | 0:39:37 | 0:39:39 | |
'Erm...it did to start off with. | 0:39:40 | 0:39:43 | |
'Because I thought there was a chance I was going to win.' | 0:39:43 | 0:39:47 | |
But, yeah, more recently it's been... | 0:39:47 | 0:39:49 | |
..tougher. | 0:39:50 | 0:39:51 | |
'Do you ever kick and shout and scream? | 0:39:55 | 0:39:57 | |
-'Erm... -Or do you just cry? | 0:39:57 | 0:40:00 | |
'Cry mainly. | 0:40:00 | 0:40:01 | |
'And then spend the next hour feeling guilty | 0:40:01 | 0:40:05 | |
'and apologising to those that have had to see it.' | 0:40:05 | 0:40:08 | |
-And... -What are you apologising for? Grumpiness? | 0:40:08 | 0:40:10 | |
Grumpiness, snappiness, | 0:40:10 | 0:40:13 | |
the fact that I've brought this into the family. | 0:40:13 | 0:40:16 | |
Erm... | 0:40:16 | 0:40:17 | |
And that I've... I'm doing this to everyone | 0:40:18 | 0:40:22 | |
and knowing that... | 0:40:22 | 0:40:24 | |
in the not-too-distant future it's going to get a lot worse. | 0:40:24 | 0:40:28 | |
I've been prescribed anti-depressants, | 0:40:33 | 0:40:36 | |
but I haven't taken any. I've... | 0:40:36 | 0:40:38 | |
I'm too stubborn. | 0:40:39 | 0:40:41 | |
-You see it as a weakness. -I do, I do. | 0:40:41 | 0:40:44 | |
In your heart... | 0:40:49 | 0:40:51 | |
-Sorry to ask this. -It's OK. | 0:40:52 | 0:40:54 | |
What do you think? | 0:40:55 | 0:40:56 | |
I've been given January. | 0:40:57 | 0:40:59 | |
So that's where I am. | 0:41:01 | 0:41:02 | |
-I've got until then. -How long is that? | 0:41:04 | 0:41:07 | |
I don't think about it. | 0:41:08 | 0:41:10 | |
I try not to think about it. | 0:41:10 | 0:41:12 | |
But it's not long. It's not very long at all. | 0:41:13 | 0:41:16 | |
It's been an eventful two weeks. | 0:41:25 | 0:41:27 | |
There's been some quite massive developments. | 0:41:27 | 0:41:29 | |
'So I had my first seizure on Monday. | 0:41:31 | 0:41:35 | |
'I was seizing for about ten minutes.' | 0:41:36 | 0:41:38 | |
Um, I remember nothing about it. | 0:41:38 | 0:41:41 | |
Coat on. | 0:41:41 | 0:41:43 | |
Go on. | 0:41:44 | 0:41:45 | |
'And it's been something I've been worried about since being diagnosed. | 0:41:45 | 0:41:49 | |
'The kids seeing their dad collapse. | 0:41:50 | 0:41:53 | |
'Luckily they weren't here. | 0:41:53 | 0:41:55 | |
'And we told them when they got home from school, | 0:42:03 | 0:42:06 | |
'and the only thing they heard was, "Daddy fell off the toilet," ' | 0:42:06 | 0:42:10 | |
and they thought that was hilarious, which... | 0:42:10 | 0:42:11 | |
-Was that a huge relief? -Yes, massive. | 0:42:11 | 0:42:14 | |
Massive. Yeah. | 0:42:14 | 0:42:16 | |
Yeah. | 0:42:16 | 0:42:17 | |
To know that they can find the comedy aspect in it... | 0:42:17 | 0:42:21 | |
is brill...yeah, it's brilliant. | 0:42:21 | 0:42:23 | |
'Anti-depressants, which is a massive step for me,' | 0:42:26 | 0:42:30 | |
to admit that I would need some extra help | 0:42:30 | 0:42:34 | |
in the form of anti-depressants, anything like that, | 0:42:34 | 0:42:37 | |
is a big step for me. | 0:42:37 | 0:42:39 | |
You do seem much happier. | 0:42:40 | 0:42:42 | |
Well, people are telling me that, which is a worry, | 0:42:42 | 0:42:46 | |
cos I don't feel any different, but I must have been miserable! | 0:42:46 | 0:42:49 | |
'What has helped is the seizure.' | 0:42:56 | 0:42:58 | |
I could have died Monday | 0:43:00 | 0:43:03 | |
and not known anything about it. | 0:43:03 | 0:43:06 | |
At all. | 0:43:06 | 0:43:08 | |
When that final moment does happen, I'm going to suggest | 0:43:09 | 0:43:13 | |
I'll know nothing about that either. | 0:43:13 | 0:43:15 | |
So some of the fear I had about that has gone. | 0:43:16 | 0:43:20 | |
-That was lovely. Thank you. -It's all right. | 0:43:23 | 0:43:25 | |
-Thank you very much. -You're welcome. | 0:43:25 | 0:43:27 | |
It was a great life. | 0:43:32 | 0:43:34 | |
It was all fun. | 0:43:34 | 0:43:35 | |
It was never, ever boring. | 0:43:35 | 0:43:37 | |
And that's the whole thing for me. I haven't got to be bored. | 0:43:37 | 0:43:41 | |
I always thought I was going to be that old lady of 100 | 0:43:48 | 0:43:51 | |
that you read about in the paper, who's parachuting out of a plane. | 0:43:51 | 0:43:55 | |
That was my idea of myself. | 0:43:55 | 0:43:57 | |
I'm Anita, and two weeks before my 70th birthday, | 0:43:59 | 0:44:03 | |
I was diagnosed with motor neurone disease. | 0:44:03 | 0:44:06 | |
Did you ask them how long you had? | 0:44:11 | 0:44:13 | |
The average is three to five years after diagnosis. | 0:44:13 | 0:44:17 | |
Some people live longer, some people are gone within six months. | 0:44:19 | 0:44:23 | |
There's no point in me being miserable about it | 0:44:25 | 0:44:28 | |
because if I've got a short time left to live, | 0:44:28 | 0:44:31 | |
then it's even more important that I make the most of every day | 0:44:31 | 0:44:34 | |
and be happy every day. | 0:44:34 | 0:44:36 | |
I joined a site on the internet for women | 0:44:38 | 0:44:41 | |
who want to find travel companions. | 0:44:41 | 0:44:43 | |
That's the best thing I ever did after my husband died. | 0:44:43 | 0:44:47 | |
As soon as I got home from one fantastic trip, | 0:44:53 | 0:44:57 | |
I would be sitting on the internet looking to book another one. | 0:44:57 | 0:45:01 | |
You know, "When's the next?" | 0:45:01 | 0:45:03 | |
So, although my husband didn't leave me any money, | 0:45:06 | 0:45:09 | |
he did leave me all his coins and his stamp collection... | 0:45:09 | 0:45:12 | |
..which I then sold on eBay, and that was my travel account. | 0:45:14 | 0:45:18 | |
I've had a wonderful life | 0:45:23 | 0:45:25 | |
and I'm still managing to squeeze a bit more out of it. | 0:45:25 | 0:45:30 | |
Hey! | 0:45:32 | 0:45:34 | |
'Obviously, we all want to live a wonderful, long life, | 0:45:38 | 0:45:42 | |
'full of quality for a long time, but if that's taken away from you,' | 0:45:42 | 0:45:47 | |
you've absolutely got to make sure you've got the quality every day. | 0:45:47 | 0:45:50 | |
I don't want to see this disease through to the end... | 0:45:54 | 0:45:58 | |
..because my brain will remain as it is, | 0:46:02 | 0:46:05 | |
while my body completely gives up. | 0:46:05 | 0:46:09 | |
And eventually I will need 24-hour care | 0:46:11 | 0:46:14 | |
and I don't have the money to pay for that care. | 0:46:14 | 0:46:17 | |
I could have gone and lived with my son, but I don't want to do that. | 0:46:20 | 0:46:24 | |
I don't... I'm just too independent. | 0:46:24 | 0:46:27 | |
I have to live my own life here. | 0:46:27 | 0:46:30 | |
And when I can't do that any more, then I've had enough. That'll do. | 0:46:30 | 0:46:34 | |
What have you decided, then? | 0:46:35 | 0:46:37 | |
I've decided that when the time comes | 0:46:38 | 0:46:42 | |
I will go to Switzerland. | 0:46:42 | 0:46:44 | |
I don't want to go, and I will have to go too early | 0:46:45 | 0:46:49 | |
because I need to be fit enough to travel. | 0:46:49 | 0:46:52 | |
I wish I could do it in my own home, that's all I wish. | 0:46:54 | 0:46:57 | |
I want to stay here and do it. | 0:46:57 | 0:46:59 | |
You're not a rich woman, are you, | 0:47:00 | 0:47:02 | |
so how have you managed to afford it? | 0:47:02 | 0:47:04 | |
It will take every last penny I've got. | 0:47:04 | 0:47:07 | |
I'm not worried about dying at all. | 0:47:08 | 0:47:10 | |
What I want to know is that I'm going to die | 0:47:12 | 0:47:14 | |
with some sort of dignity. | 0:47:14 | 0:47:16 | |
I'm taking the easy way out. | 0:47:17 | 0:47:20 | |
Why do you think it's easy? | 0:47:23 | 0:47:24 | |
All I've got to do is go on another trip. Another aeroplane ride. | 0:47:24 | 0:47:28 | |
Drink a drink. | 0:47:29 | 0:47:31 | |
Off I go. | 0:47:31 | 0:47:33 | |
Wonderful. That is how we all want to go, isn't it? | 0:47:33 | 0:47:37 | |
My death is an adventure. | 0:47:48 | 0:47:50 | |
I've never done this before. This is all new to me. | 0:47:51 | 0:47:54 | |
I'm Cindy, and I was 69 when I was diagnosed with multiple myeloma. | 0:47:59 | 0:48:04 | |
Do you still enjoy your life? | 0:48:05 | 0:48:08 | |
I enjoy my life incredibly, yes. | 0:48:08 | 0:48:11 | |
In some sense I enjoy it far more than I ever had before. | 0:48:11 | 0:48:14 | |
And I think having a death sentence really helps me with that. | 0:48:14 | 0:48:18 | |
Do you think you're better equipped than many | 0:48:21 | 0:48:23 | |
at dealing with your impending death? | 0:48:23 | 0:48:27 | |
I think both the Buddhism and the mindfulness | 0:48:28 | 0:48:31 | |
have really honed my way of being with... | 0:48:31 | 0:48:35 | |
whatever happens in life. | 0:48:35 | 0:48:37 | |
Buddhism doesn't make a big distinction between life and death. | 0:48:38 | 0:48:42 | |
-That's helpful. -That's a big help. | 0:48:42 | 0:48:44 | |
I asked the haematologist what would happen if I would stop all chemo. | 0:48:51 | 0:48:55 | |
And there was shock and horror on their faces. | 0:48:55 | 0:48:59 | |
NOT what they wanted to hear. | 0:48:59 | 0:49:02 | |
And I was told at that point that it would be probably a matter of weeks | 0:49:02 | 0:49:05 | |
rather than months that I would have to live, | 0:49:05 | 0:49:08 | |
which did shock me. | 0:49:08 | 0:49:10 | |
I knew that death was coming, but it was, "Ooh, weeks. Ah." | 0:49:10 | 0:49:15 | |
It was, for me, very much a choice of quality of life, | 0:49:17 | 0:49:20 | |
and that was far more important to me than how LONG my life would be. | 0:49:20 | 0:49:25 | |
So I said, "OK, I'll take weeks." | 0:49:25 | 0:49:27 | |
And actually I've had seven or eight months. | 0:49:27 | 0:49:31 | |
I decided that it was important for me to be at the cottage | 0:49:34 | 0:49:37 | |
for my last summer. | 0:49:37 | 0:49:38 | |
My cottage is definitely my soul home. | 0:49:41 | 0:49:44 | |
It's a, erm... | 0:49:45 | 0:49:46 | |
little 500-year-old derelict cottage that my husband and I bought | 0:49:46 | 0:49:51 | |
about 25, 26 years ago. | 0:49:51 | 0:49:53 | |
This is not a wealthy person's country cottage! | 0:49:54 | 0:49:58 | |
This is rather primitive. | 0:49:58 | 0:50:00 | |
Since my husband died, | 0:50:01 | 0:50:03 | |
I've found it a lot easier to not be so... | 0:50:03 | 0:50:07 | |
attached to this life. | 0:50:07 | 0:50:10 | |
I've stopped all chemo treatment. I'm still having pain relief. | 0:50:14 | 0:50:18 | |
And I am having to up that. | 0:50:18 | 0:50:21 | |
This might sound perverse, but I've always wanted to have SOME pain | 0:50:22 | 0:50:26 | |
so that my body speaks to me. | 0:50:26 | 0:50:29 | |
So my palliative care consultant said, | 0:50:33 | 0:50:35 | |
"I think we have different goals." | 0:50:35 | 0:50:38 | |
She said, "My goal for you is no pain, but that's clearly | 0:50:39 | 0:50:42 | |
"not quite yours, is it?" | 0:50:42 | 0:50:43 | |
So we work very well together and we're working on | 0:50:43 | 0:50:47 | |
getting the pain just manageable. | 0:50:47 | 0:50:50 | |
There is a big assumption | 0:50:55 | 0:50:56 | |
that because of my background as a counsellor, | 0:50:56 | 0:50:58 | |
a psychotherapist, a Buddhist, a mindfulness teacher, | 0:50:58 | 0:51:02 | |
all these things, that I couldn't possibly need any help. | 0:51:02 | 0:51:06 | |
I wanted to die in a hospice, | 0:51:09 | 0:51:11 | |
and there I met other people like me | 0:51:11 | 0:51:15 | |
who have a terminal illness | 0:51:15 | 0:51:17 | |
and we could just be normal people together. | 0:51:17 | 0:51:20 | |
And that was a revelation to me. | 0:51:21 | 0:51:23 | |
Paulette was a totally unencumbered friendship. | 0:51:29 | 0:51:33 | |
I've got lots of friends, very dear friends... | 0:51:34 | 0:51:37 | |
..many of whom find it terribly hard to see me dying. | 0:51:38 | 0:51:42 | |
..happen someday. I'm old, I'm old. | 0:51:42 | 0:51:46 | |
I've had a long life. | 0:51:46 | 0:51:48 | |
Paulette, you know, she's not going to burst into tears | 0:51:49 | 0:51:53 | |
cos I'm dying. | 0:51:53 | 0:51:54 | |
'We have a laugh. | 0:51:56 | 0:51:58 | |
'We're both enjoying life.' | 0:51:58 | 0:52:00 | |
And we're able to talk to one another | 0:52:01 | 0:52:04 | |
about quite deep things that we don't want to necessarily share | 0:52:04 | 0:52:09 | |
with our family and friends | 0:52:09 | 0:52:11 | |
'because we don't want to frighten them. | 0:52:11 | 0:52:14 | |
'It's a bit of normal. | 0:52:15 | 0:52:17 | |
'I hadn't realised... | 0:52:17 | 0:52:19 | |
'..how much I needed that.' | 0:52:20 | 0:52:22 | |
-Yes, I did. -Fantastic! | 0:52:22 | 0:52:24 | |
'Are you scared of death?' | 0:52:24 | 0:52:26 | |
I was terrified of death... | 0:52:27 | 0:52:30 | |
..in relation to my husband's death. | 0:52:31 | 0:52:33 | |
And I think his death freed me not to be afraid of my own death. | 0:52:36 | 0:52:40 | |
I've had a long life. | 0:52:43 | 0:52:45 | |
I don't want it to go on indefinitely. | 0:52:45 | 0:52:49 | |
Erm, I'm ready to die. | 0:52:51 | 0:52:53 | |
After a few months, people ring up | 0:53:02 | 0:53:04 | |
and there's a definite pause in the conversation | 0:53:04 | 0:53:07 | |
and I know exactly what they're thinking. | 0:53:07 | 0:53:09 | |
"He's still alive. What the hell is he doing still alive? | 0:53:09 | 0:53:12 | |
"He's supposed to have died six months ago." | 0:53:12 | 0:53:15 | |
So you get, sort of, um, sympathy fatigue setting in. | 0:53:16 | 0:53:20 | |
I'm Nigel. I was told about 20 months ago, when I was 69, | 0:53:20 | 0:53:25 | |
that I had a grade 4 brain tumour - | 0:53:25 | 0:53:29 | |
the nastiest sort you can get. | 0:53:29 | 0:53:31 | |
Yes, I think I can see mine. | 0:53:31 | 0:53:34 | |
Yea, and I can't see mine. | 0:53:34 | 0:53:36 | |
'I wasn't at all surprised.' | 0:53:36 | 0:53:38 | |
I've always lived my life expecting things to go wrong, | 0:53:38 | 0:53:41 | |
and they usually do, so it didn't really bother me! | 0:53:41 | 0:53:44 | |
-You've got to watch where it goes. -Yes, I'm watching. | 0:53:44 | 0:53:47 | |
-All right, come on. -I'm going over there to get mine. | 0:53:47 | 0:53:50 | |
'I'm probably the worst golfer in the countryside.' | 0:53:51 | 0:53:54 | |
But my friend, Simon, plays with me, | 0:53:54 | 0:53:56 | |
and he looks for my ball cos I can't see it. | 0:53:56 | 0:53:59 | |
So it's going to go round to the right, is it? | 0:53:59 | 0:54:02 | |
I tend to be looking for it over here | 0:54:03 | 0:54:05 | |
and I get tapped on the shoulder and told it's gone that way. | 0:54:05 | 0:54:09 | |
'It's a strange situation | 0:54:11 | 0:54:12 | |
'cos you can't avoid being the centre of attention.' | 0:54:12 | 0:54:15 | |
The best people are the people who just say, "You're a stupid arse, | 0:54:15 | 0:54:17 | |
"Get on with your life." That's much easier to handle. | 0:54:17 | 0:54:20 | |
But kindness is difficult to handle. | 0:54:20 | 0:54:22 | |
As a result of my lessons, my golf has got considerably worse. | 0:54:23 | 0:54:26 | |
'Did I think they were going to find a miracle cure? No, I never did. | 0:54:27 | 0:54:30 | |
'It's fatal to raise your expectations | 0:54:30 | 0:54:32 | |
'cos they can only be dashed.' | 0:54:32 | 0:54:34 | |
And then, as time went on, people, friends would ring up, | 0:54:34 | 0:54:38 | |
very lovingly, say, "Have you tried this in Dakota? | 0:54:38 | 0:54:42 | |
"South Dakota?" | 0:54:42 | 0:54:43 | |
Or, "Have you tried this new cancer treatment in Brooklyn?" | 0:54:43 | 0:54:46 | |
And, "Have you tried this?" | 0:54:46 | 0:54:48 | |
And I thought, "That's interesting." Then I thought, "No, forget it." | 0:54:48 | 0:54:51 | |
Who's waiting for who? | 0:54:51 | 0:54:53 | |
-HE MUMBLES -Pardon? | 0:54:53 | 0:54:56 | |
Driving is a bit of a sore subject. | 0:54:56 | 0:54:58 | |
I am naturally...erm, bossy. | 0:54:58 | 0:55:01 | |
And poor Denise does all the driving and she's very good. | 0:55:01 | 0:55:04 | |
She might get a muddle occasionally. | 0:55:04 | 0:55:07 | |
What? I didn't touch it. | 0:55:09 | 0:55:11 | |
You jolly nearly hit the car on the left. | 0:55:11 | 0:55:13 | |
I did not, Nigel. | 0:55:13 | 0:55:14 | |
She doesn't take very kindly to my instruction. | 0:55:15 | 0:55:18 | |
So I have to tread a rather careful line. | 0:55:18 | 0:55:22 | |
-Am I going over the bridge or down? Which way? -No, round, round. | 0:55:22 | 0:55:26 | |
-Down the bottom bit? -Yes, down the bottom bit. -OK. | 0:55:26 | 0:55:28 | |
You only have to say, you don't have to... | 0:55:30 | 0:55:32 | |
-Well, it's a bit bloody... -You don't need to get annoyed, just tell me. | 0:55:32 | 0:55:34 | |
How long have you been driving here? | 0:55:34 | 0:55:36 | |
Do you feel as though you're putting a brave face on it or not? | 0:55:36 | 0:55:40 | |
Yeah, I've thought about that. | 0:55:40 | 0:55:42 | |
Do I put on a brave face and, at three o'clock in the morning, | 0:55:42 | 0:55:44 | |
weep buckets? | 0:55:44 | 0:55:45 | |
I don't. I genuinely don't. I really don't, to my surprise. | 0:55:45 | 0:55:49 | |
Are you all right? | 0:55:49 | 0:55:51 | |
I'll tell you when we get to the end of the journey. | 0:55:51 | 0:55:54 | |
I keep thinking, am I in denial? But I don't think I am. | 0:55:55 | 0:55:58 | |
I know I've got cancer, I know I'm going to die. | 0:55:58 | 0:56:01 | |
There we are. | 0:56:01 | 0:56:02 | |
Miracle. | 0:56:03 | 0:56:05 | |
'Somebody said, "Do you have targets you want to get to?" | 0:56:08 | 0:56:12 | |
'And I said, "No, I studiously avoid that because, | 0:56:12 | 0:56:14 | |
' "as soon as you do that, you keel over." ' | 0:56:14 | 0:56:16 | |
But then I realised that, actually, there WAS a target that I... | 0:56:18 | 0:56:22 | |
..was keen on... | 0:56:29 | 0:56:31 | |
..which is one of the children's wedding. | 0:56:33 | 0:56:36 | |
Helpless. | 0:56:39 | 0:56:41 | |
Erm... | 0:56:46 | 0:56:47 | |
which is next weekend, down in Cornwall. | 0:56:47 | 0:56:50 | |
So that will be good. | 0:56:52 | 0:56:54 | |
BELLS CHIME | 0:56:55 | 0:56:57 | |
I'm glad you haven't asked me about my career | 0:57:00 | 0:57:03 | |
because that's about as catastrophic as it could have been. | 0:57:03 | 0:57:06 | |
Do you see yourself as a bit of a failure? | 0:57:07 | 0:57:09 | |
Erm, almost a complete failure, yes. | 0:57:09 | 0:57:12 | |
But since I met Denise and her family, | 0:57:15 | 0:57:18 | |
that has had the most... | 0:57:18 | 0:57:20 | |
..profound effect on my life. | 0:57:21 | 0:57:23 | |
'Some people probably say they need faith. | 0:57:25 | 0:57:27 | |
'Well, the faith that I've got is with all of that lot. | 0:57:27 | 0:57:30 | |
'It's a bit corny talking about it, | 0:57:31 | 0:57:33 | |
'but it's being loved that really, really matters. | 0:57:33 | 0:57:37 | |
'I was pretty sure I wasn't going to make it.' | 0:57:39 | 0:57:42 | |
I'd assumed I would have been long since pushing up daisies. | 0:57:42 | 0:57:46 | |
Erm... | 0:57:46 | 0:57:48 | |
but for some peculiar reason, I'm still here. | 0:57:48 | 0:57:51 | |
I set out to make a film about living, not dying. | 0:57:56 | 0:57:59 | |
Everyone I talked to in this film knew that death was coming soon, | 0:58:01 | 0:58:06 | |
but they made a choice to make the most of the life they had left. | 0:58:06 | 0:58:10 | |
I also made a choice not to tell you who's still alive or dead. | 0:58:13 | 0:58:17 | |
I want THEIR voices to live on. | 0:58:19 | 0:58:22 | |
CHUCKLING | 0:58:23 | 0:58:25 | |
To watch more of the stories from the people featured | 0:58:28 | 0:58:31 | |
in this programme, go to - | 0:58:31 | 0:58:34 | |
..and follow the links to the Open University. | 0:58:37 | 0:58:40 |