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This programme contains some strong language from the start.

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I've got a mirror opposite my bed,

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and I look in the mirror and say, "Eff off, cancer."

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When I look in the mirror, I don't see the same person.

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I laugh all the time.

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I've had, erm, a long life.

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Erm, I'm ready to die.

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Do you ever wonder what YOU'D do if you were given a terminal diagnosis

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and told you may only have months to live?

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Being told you've got a terminal illness

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hasn't got to be a death sentence.

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It can actually be a live sentence.

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I don't ever like to say that I'm dying.

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I'm NOT dying. I'm living.

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I set out to find people who knew death was round the corner,

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but had chosen to make the most of the time they had left.

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My life isn't about motor neurone disease.

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-What's it about?

-It's about going out and having fun.

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For the 12 people in this film,

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their impending death came as a complete surprise.

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-MAN:

-I've always lived my life expecting things to go wrong,

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and they usually do, so...it didn't really bother me.

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I wanted to find out what they'd discovered about themselves

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and about life.

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I think cancer has taught me a lot about what matters in life

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and it isn't about having a long life, it's about having a good life.

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This is not a film about death and dying.

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My death is an adventure.

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I've never done this before.

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In some ways, are you happier than you've ever been?

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Yes. And every day that goes by, I'm happier.

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I've stolen another day.

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This is a film about living.

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I used to worry all the time what other people thought of me.

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And now I really don't give a fuck!

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Good!

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My name is Fi, and I was 30 years old when I was told

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that I had stage 4 ovarian cancer.

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Before I got diagnosed, I was really busy, I was working,

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so I was constantly on the go and I never, ever stopped.

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By the age of 25 I had a PhD, I just kind of was really ambitious,

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really, really driven.

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Ewan and I had been married a couple of years

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and we were looking to have children

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and the plan was that I would be working and he would take time off.

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We just kind of felt we had it all sorted.

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Do you look back on your former self and think, "urgh"?

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Yeah, I look back on who I was before all the time and just think,

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you know, it was crazy how I was just so busy,

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always worrying what people thought,

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always wanting to be the best at everything

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and now realising that none of that actually matters.

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Death was now sitting on my shoulder and it wasn't...

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it wasn't in the distant future,

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it wasn't something I could ignore any more, so, for me,

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I always view it that I've got just six months left.

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This week I had an update meeting with the surgeons

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about what my operation's going to involve.

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What they're going to do is an incision from my breastbone,

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all the way down.

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And then they're going to complete a full hysterectomy,

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which involves removing...

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my womb.

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We knew early on that we wouldn't be able to have children,

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and it did upset me at the start but, as it went on, there was almost

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a comfort in knowing that that was definitely out of window.

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So after I got diagnosed, we got a rescue dog.

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When we got him, they said no-one else wanted him

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because he was falling to bits, and that's what made me want him,

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so he just sits with me after chemotherapy

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and he's just there and is a comfort.

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Chemotherapy was utterly brutal.

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It's like being tortured.

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And I remember saying to my husband, you know,

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"I now understand why people give up."

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But Ewan was so stricken with grief

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and it was at that stage that I realised that I had a choice.

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I could either give in to this and just be miserable

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or I could be positive.

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'I hate people getting upset around me.

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'I think that's just... they're anticipating my death

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'rather than enjoying my life.

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'And I do tell people to piss off if they're crying in front of me!

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-'Really?

-Yeah.'

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So, is Ewan allowed to get upset?

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Yeah, Ewan can get upset.

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I hate to ask you this because this feels like a stupid question,

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-but would you have liked to live longer?

-Oh.

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Sorry, I'm now thinking.

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I think, if my choice had been to live longer and not have cancer

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and not have the insight that I've got, I wouldn't take it.

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I think I would rather have my cancer diagnosis

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and have changed my life the way I have.

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So, no.

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That's a remarkable answer.

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-Yeah, I think...

-Does it surprise you?

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No, I think it's something I think about quite a lot,

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that I was, kind of, wasting life before.

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And I would never have appreciated life if it hadn't been for cancer.

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So cancer's definitely been a gift.

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And if my exchange for that is time,

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then, I'm willing to accept that gift.

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If you've got a limited amount of time,

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-then what do you want to spend it doing?

-Laughing.

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Having a good time. Having fun.

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Admiring my wonderful breasts...

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that are made out of my tummy.

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I'm 50, and when I take my bra off, they don't move.

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That's quite nice, isn't it?

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My name's Lisa.

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I was 48 when I was diagnosed with terminal cancer.

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And I was given 12 to 18 months to live.

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I'd been given the all-clear and we had a fantastic carefree Christmas.

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And I was in the bath.

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And I found a lump in my neck. And I knew. I just knew.

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I thought, "My Lord, it's back."

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I remember going in to see my breast surgeon.

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And I said, "OK, all I need is three years

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"to get my girls into university."

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And she just shook her head and said, "No."

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So, when we came back from the hospital, they were waiting.

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And Georgie said, "How bad is it?"

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And I said, "It's as bad as it can get, love."

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I said, "It's terminal."

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Girls?

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Georgia! Ellie!

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' "And...

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' "..probably, 18 months, 2 years, max.

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' "Be lucky to see you out of A-levels." '

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I like the little stars, don't you?

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' "But your future's yours.

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' "This disease will probably take your mother.'

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"It's up to you if you let it take your future.

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"So this is not an excuse to go off the rails,

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"it is not an excuse to fail at school."

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But if it all works out according to your plan,

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you're going to come out really well, because you're going to get

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three A-levels and two ASs, so that's, you know.

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' "The way to fight this is to carry on

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' "without this thing ruining your life." '

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-Do you fear for their future without you there?

-No.

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Because that's a bit futile, isn't it?

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I can't control that.

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All I can do is be here now, doing the best I can.

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Like every mum.

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I'm really pleased with it because that came up. See that Lobelia?

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'Is there any way in which you can see positives in this diagnosis?

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'Absolutely.

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'I've been given a heads-up.

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'I can live the life I want to live

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'and do the things I want to do

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'and put my house in order.'

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I had very, very, very good life insurance.

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'I've been able to retire.'

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It allows you to DO things instead of talking about them.

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Is there an intensity that comes with it, Lisa?

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Oh, yes, yeah.

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It is in a different way now. It's a gentler intensity.

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It's like, you know, this sounds...

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..I don't know... but the colours ARE brighter.

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'The trees ARE greener.

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'I notice the colour of my girls' hair.

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'Because you notice things.'

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I try to drink my husband's face in.

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I try to remember every feature.

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Um, and his hands. He's got the most beautiful hands.

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And I look at them more these days.

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'Now, when you are lying in bed for months on end

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'and you cease to look like a human being...

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'..and your husband tells you...'

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you still look like the girl he fell in love with...

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You know, that takes a special man.

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'I'm not a 50-year-old woman with cancer who looks like she's been

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'in a shark attack when she takes her clothes off.

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'He has treasured me.'

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If I allow myself to think...

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..or imagine...

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..my girls getting married without me there...

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Or...

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..my parents at Christmas-time.

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Or...

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my husband...

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..waking up every day on his own.

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Or never being able to watch Poldark again.

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If I allow myself to do that, this happens.

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That's not good.

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Am I doing myself...any good...

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doing this right now?

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No, I'm not.

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Have you thought of having a big party before you go or not?

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-Oh, we are having that.

-Oh! Silly me!

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Next ye... Of course!

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Next year we're having a joint 50th.

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And if that's my last hurrah, it may not be,

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but if it is, that'll be lovely.

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And also, if I make it to August '18,

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that'll be our 20th wedding anniversary,

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and we are retaking our vows in the Saxon church here.

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'And it's already in the vicar's diary.'

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I was a typical man.

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I went to work, I had a family.

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My job was pretty full-on

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and it was 11-hour days and some weekend work.

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Hi, my name's Kevin. I was 49 years old

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when I was diagnosed with incurable prostate cancer.

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'I have three children. My eldest children live with their mum.

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'My daughter, Hayley, she's 18, Ben is 16,

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'and Ollie's 11, and he's just started high school.'

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Before I told them, I didn't really know what to say or how to say it.

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And I went on to one of the charities' websites

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and it talked about how you tell your children.

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They knew that there was some bad news coming.

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And they thought I was going to tell them Grandad was going to die,

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and they were quite shocked when I said it was me

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that actually had prostate cancer and that I was going to die.

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Actually, that's not quite true.

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I said I had prostate cancer and it wasn't curable.

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And we cried a bit. You know, lots of big hugs.

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Bit like the Teletubbies, really.

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Then I went to the park with the three kids and played football,

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just to prove that even though I had this, sort of, rubbish disease,

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it didn't mean we had to stop doing things we always did.

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'When I was first diagnosed, I was sad about everything all the time.'

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Wake up at one in the morning and just cry for three hours.

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And I remember being very conscious that I mustn't wake my wife up

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because I didn't want to share the burden with her,

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so I would just lie there and sob quietly to myself.

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I came home from the first dose of chemotherapy

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and I felt like I had to behave a certain way.

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And I shuffled out of the car, up the steps into my front room,

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sat in the armchair, a bit like a really, really old person.

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The next morning I woke up and I thought, this is a defining moment.

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Now is the time I either lie in bed or get up and do something.

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I got up and I said, "I'm going to go for a run."

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My wife looked at me and said,

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"No, you can't go for a run, you've just had chemotherapy."

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I said, "Why can't I?"

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And I ran three miles.

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And I was very slow and I felt awful.

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But, mentally, I felt absolutely elated,

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cos I felt I could still do something.

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Running is my salvation, really.

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How important is hope?

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I don't really have any hope.

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That's not me. I deal in factual things and probability.

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There is no miracle cure.

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So the probable situation for me is that there will be something that

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might give me another few months but it's never going to cure me

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and it's never going to give me a whole more load of years.

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-TANNOY:

-Cinq, quatre, trois, deux, un!

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'The one thing which I wanted to do since my diagnosis

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'is a race called the Marathon des Sables.

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'It is a marathon on a Sunday, a marathon on a Monday,

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'a marathon on Tuesday, a double marathon on Wednesday.

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'Thursday you get off,

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'a marathon on Friday and a half marathon on Saturday.

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'You do all of that in the Sahara, over sand dunes,

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'carrying 24lbs on your back.

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'I never really thought I would make it,'

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so getting to the start was actually my bucket list thing.

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It wasn't about finishing it.

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'Having any terminal illness has to be lonely at times.

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'And it is.

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'Running is the one thing where I can escape my reality.

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'It's like a miracle cure.

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'I feel like Captain Ahab at the wheel, with Moby-Dick'

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saying, "Come on, bring it on, how strong do you want to throw at me

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"because I'm still going to keep on going, you're not going to beat me."

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And that...I think that helps me get through cancer.

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'And in the end, yeah, maybe Moby-Dick's going to get me,

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'but along the way I'm going to give it a damn good fight.'

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I've had the job that I always wanted to have.

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I have a husband and I'm incredibly happy.

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'I have four beautiful children.'

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And I just want to see them through childhood,

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so I'm going to fight like mad.

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'My name's Louise'

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and I was diagnosed with stage 4 breast cancer when I was 44.

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'It's been 18 months since my stage 4 diagnosis.'

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And I do spend a very, very long time

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researching alternative treatments.

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I would like to think that they are going to extend my life

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and they are extending the quality of my life.

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And I know that sometimes people probably think,

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"Oh, she's completely deluded, poor woman."

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But I've just got to hope that...

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I will defy the odds.

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I drink lots of vegetable juices.

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I went vegan. I've got an infrared sauna upstairs.

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Suitcases of supplements. Curcumin, that's turmeric.

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Milk thistle is really good for the liver.

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I don't eat any sugar. I don't have any alcohol.

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In fact, I'm much more healthy than I've probably ever been.

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'I'll tell you a conversation I had with Ned, he's the youngest,'

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and I wanted to know if he had thought about me dying.

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I've never said to him directly, erm...

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"Mummy's probably going to die."

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So, then I said, "Have you ever thought about me dying?"

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And he looked out the window and he looked around,

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like he was embarrassed, and then I knew that he had.

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And I said, "It's OK if you have."

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And he said, "Yes." He goes, "Yes, I have."

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' "And what does that make you feel?"

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'I said, "I'm going to try not to, I'm trying really hard not to,

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' "but what if I do?" '

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He went, "Well...

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"You know, I think I might, I might cry, you know, a lot,

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"for maybe an hour."

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So then I went, "An hour?! You'd only cry for an hour?!"

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And then it was just, like, it broke...

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I felt so relieved that even though we'd not talked about it directly

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in that way, that he was under no illusion that I might die.

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And that kind of gave me comfort.

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I've, sort of, planned out what I want to do before I die.

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I feel really privileged that I've got the time to do that.

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It's about organising the photographs for the children,

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because I'm the only one who ever knows where anything is.

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I'm going to knit them each a blanket.

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And, of course, if you've got a project,

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you can't die until your project's over.

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So, four children, four blankets, and a hopeless knitter,

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means I'll be working on that project for a very long time!

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I get to write them little messages, so they've got a block of postcards

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so that they can just, like, pick one out,

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and it just says things like...

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We always do a sweepstake when it's the World Cup,

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and that they have to still include a couple for me.

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Ned is the one who,

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I just have been in terror of the idea of him without a mother.

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He's 13 now.

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A vulnerable time for a boy.

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And so I've sent him to my sister's for a term.

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Hello.

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-How are you?

-Hello.

-How are you, sweetie?

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'And my sister has got her own children

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'and she lives in Singapore.'

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Can you sit up straight? I can't see you properly.

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My ambition is that he builds a much closer relationship

0:20:490:20:53

with Cecilia so that maybe, if I don't make it,

0:20:530:20:56

that he could possibly go to school there.

0:20:560:21:00

It's one of those things I was afraid of.

0:21:010:21:03

And I feel like I've made just such a right decision

0:21:030:21:06

to give him that life for when I'm not here.

0:21:060:21:10

-Love you.

-Love you.

0:21:110:21:13

Bye.

0:21:130:21:14

Do you think you've learned quite a lot about life

0:21:140:21:17

and about yourself because of this?

0:21:170:21:19

Yes.

0:21:190:21:20

Have I? Well, I'm more brave than I thought I was.

0:21:200:21:23

'I feel as if, if I didn't have my family,

0:21:260:21:29

'I wonder if I would be so strong.

0:21:290:21:32

'I...

0:21:330:21:34

'I feel that I'm achieving the end of life'

0:21:340:21:40

in a way that I would respect someone for doing.

0:21:400:21:44

And every time I see the children happy

0:21:440:21:47

and our family just functioning as normally as possible...

0:21:470:21:53

..I'm so proud that we are managing to do this,

0:21:540:21:59

erm, and not be...

0:21:590:22:01

you know, dominated by the possible death of Mum.

0:22:010:22:07

'If you said to me, did I want this project, I can think of other ones

0:22:160:22:19

'I'd rather have than project managing my own death.'

0:22:190:22:22

What's a little relief is I didn't want to grow old

0:22:280:22:31

and be a miserable old bugger.

0:22:310:22:33

'Jenny, I know, didn't ever want to have to tell me

0:22:340:22:36

'I was so old I couldn't drive any more.'

0:22:360:22:39

The relief is, we haven't got that problem now.

0:22:390:22:42

'I'm Kevin, I'm 69 years old,'

0:22:450:22:48

and four months ago I learned that I had incurable cancer.

0:22:480:22:51

It's prostate cancer which has spread to my bones.

0:22:520:22:55

The prognosis might give me an additional two years.

0:22:580:23:02

To know how long you have helps you develop the game plan

0:23:020:23:06

for coping with it.

0:23:060:23:07

Are you going to ring her later or do you want her to ring you?

0:23:090:23:11

I know that Martin couldn't make the meeting

0:23:110:23:14

but I think he'll be pleased with the position we've got to.

0:23:140:23:16

Turns out that's a green day for me so that should be no problem at all.

0:23:160:23:19

Talk to you soon. Bye-bye.

0:23:190:23:21

It's not consciously project managing my own death,

0:23:220:23:26

but if you take a project management model

0:23:260:23:29

you, kind of, set targets and you assess progress.

0:23:290:23:33

And for somebody whose dad dropped dead at 64,

0:23:340:23:37

so my mother was never able to say goodbye,

0:23:370:23:40

it's a huge privilege to know that we've actually got some time.

0:23:400:23:43

It's a real opportunity to live the rest of my life

0:23:430:23:47

as positively as possible.

0:23:470:23:49

My first wife died of cancer at the age of 49,

0:23:500:23:54

but I only had a vague expectation

0:23:540:23:57

that I would die one day.

0:23:570:24:00

And what this gives you is clarity about that.

0:24:000:24:04

Real clarity.

0:24:040:24:06

You read all the stuff about diet.

0:24:080:24:11

And I know that I could become a green-tea-drinking vegan

0:24:110:24:15

and that might give me a little while longer,

0:24:150:24:17

but the things that have got me to 69,

0:24:170:24:19

there's no point junking them now

0:24:190:24:22

in case it gave me another two months

0:24:220:24:24

because it's given me the 69 years I've had.

0:24:240:24:26

And that includes a glass of wine.

0:24:260:24:28

Good for you!

0:24:290:24:31

I'm hugely lucky I've got a supportive wife

0:24:350:24:38

who's on the journey with me for as long as she can be.

0:24:380:24:40

But there'll come a point where our destinations diverge,

0:24:430:24:46

cos I'm going to die and she's not.

0:24:460:24:48

And I see my duty as her husband

0:24:480:24:51

is to help her approach that new life as positively as she can.

0:24:510:24:55

There's a Word document of all the things

0:24:570:24:59

that I need to share with Jenny,

0:24:590:25:01

and we've been through nearly all of them.

0:25:010:25:04

That gives me great comfort because it means...

0:25:040:25:06

it means that I'm loving her to the last possible moment.

0:25:060:25:10

I'll have the English breakfast, please.

0:25:100:25:12

'Since the diagnosis four months ago,'

0:25:120:25:16

we've actually had some of the best times of our life.

0:25:160:25:19

Thank you. That was a lovely breakfast. Thanks.

0:25:190:25:22

The gift of life is somehow reinforced

0:25:220:25:25

when suddenly you're reminded it's finite.

0:25:250:25:28

When you know that you haven't got long,

0:25:310:25:33

are there things that you think,

0:25:330:25:35

"I'd like to sort that out before I die?"

0:25:350:25:37

-Do you have any areas like that?

-Yes, I do.

0:25:370:25:39

Yes, I do.

0:25:390:25:41

I...erm, I have two children.

0:25:410:25:44

My daughter has just given birth to our first grandchild.

0:25:440:25:49

And I talk to my daughter a lot more than I used to, as a result of this.

0:25:490:25:53

I also have a son but, sadly, I have no contact with him.

0:25:530:25:58

I haven't seen my son for some eight years.

0:25:590:26:02

Whatever I did wrong, I regret.

0:26:040:26:06

If I could put that right in some way before I die,

0:26:060:26:10

I would be delighted to.

0:26:100:26:12

I'm not afraid of death.

0:26:180:26:20

I think if I was 19, 29, 39, 49, instead of 69,

0:26:200:26:24

I think I might well feel differently.

0:26:240:26:27

I might well feel robbed of opportunity,

0:26:270:26:29

I might well feel that I was entitled to longer.

0:26:290:26:32

My job is to make my death as positive as possible,

0:26:340:26:38

which means smiling to the end.

0:26:380:26:41

And saying, "Goodbye. Thank you."

0:26:410:26:43

Can you tell me something, Jolene, do you feel

0:26:570:26:59

like you've been robbed of your life because you're so young?

0:26:590:27:02

Yeah, definitely.

0:27:020:27:04

I feel really hard done by, but I think it teaches you a lot.

0:27:040:27:08

My name is Jolene and I was 23 when I was told I had malignant melanoma

0:27:090:27:13

and may only have 18 months to live.

0:27:130:27:15

You just want to feel like a normal 20-something-year-old

0:27:190:27:21

doing normal things.

0:27:210:27:23

Hanging out with your friends, getting takeaway on a Friday night,

0:27:230:27:27

going to work.

0:27:270:27:29

Hello, Sadler's Wells press office. Jolene speaking.

0:27:330:27:36

I work at Sadler's Wells Theatre in the press and communications team.

0:27:370:27:41

People don't focus on the fact that you're ill,

0:27:420:27:44

they just focus on the work that you're doing

0:27:440:27:47

and they care if you're doing a good job.

0:27:470:27:49

But you were told that you might only have 18 months to live.

0:27:500:27:54

Why on earth, Jolene, did you go back to work?

0:27:540:27:58

Work is important to me.

0:27:590:28:01

To have something to focus on that isn't being ill

0:28:010:28:04

is a big distraction, and I really enjoy that.

0:28:040:28:08

I think it's hard to tell, as well, because they're in rehearsals,

0:28:100:28:13

which has only just started this week...

0:28:130:28:15

'I think, at my age, you just have to get on with it.'

0:28:150:28:17

You either carry on or you choose to admit defeat.

0:28:170:28:21

And I'm not ready for that yet.

0:28:210:28:23

One of the best things I've ever done in this process

0:28:250:28:28

is have my eyebrows tattooed.

0:28:280:28:29

It's not really anything to do with vanity.

0:28:290:28:33

Basically, you want to fit in,

0:28:330:28:35

and cancer makes you an outsider in a world full of insiders.

0:28:350:28:38

I never know whether to actually smile.

0:28:410:28:43

I like that I look well. I like that I don't look ill.

0:28:440:28:49

Tell me about blokes and boys and boyfriends.

0:28:510:28:54

Yeah, I definitely think that would be nice,

0:28:540:28:57

but how do you introduce yourself to someone?

0:28:570:29:00

Basically, "By the way, I'm dying, do you want to go out with me?"

0:29:000:29:03

That's not going to happen, is it?

0:29:030:29:05

Like, everyone goes, "Oh, yeah, it'll be fine."

0:29:050:29:08

It wouldn't be fine! Like, that's a stupid idea!

0:29:080:29:10

I've divided my life into two very clear segments in terms of me

0:29:140:29:17

having my treatment and me having a life outside of that.

0:29:170:29:22

I very much keep them separate as much as I can.

0:29:220:29:25

I think that's actually quite key to me staying as positive as I am

0:29:250:29:30

and as sane as I am.

0:29:300:29:32

-I thought you went to Poland with that?

-And Poland, yes.

0:29:320:29:34

Remember I went to Dubai - you said,

0:29:340:29:36

"You're never going to cope with the heat."

0:29:360:29:37

-Not long till OUR break away!

-I know.

0:29:370:29:40

-When do you go?

-We go on the 12th to the 15th,

0:29:400:29:42

so it's, like, Saturday to Tuesday.

0:29:420:29:43

'I guess nicer times are when I'm in London.

0:29:430:29:47

'And then the other part is when I go home every three weeks

0:29:470:29:50

'to have chemotherapy.'

0:29:500:29:52

Are you quite proud of yourself, of what you've managed to do?

0:29:530:29:56

Yeah, I'm really smug about it, if I'm honest.

0:29:560:29:59

-Really?

-I'm a bit like, "Hm, look at me, haven't I achieved a lot?"

0:29:590:30:05

In terms of, obviously, being unwell

0:30:050:30:09

and how I've, sort of, responded to treatment and overcome,

0:30:090:30:12

I guess, a lot of hurdles.

0:30:120:30:13

I definitely know that I'm going to keep fighting,

0:30:150:30:18

but I know that eventually I won't win.

0:30:180:30:21

But if I admit that I'm not going to win, then I'll lose sooner.

0:30:210:30:25

-That's quite scary, that admission, isn't it?

-Yeah.

0:30:280:30:31

Because, ultimately, we all know that I'm living on borrowed time.

0:30:310:30:36

Like, that's pretty hard to comprehend,

0:30:360:30:39

but we all know it's true.

0:30:390:30:41

Breathe deeply.

0:30:440:30:45

Yeah, that's a real tough one.

0:30:510:30:53

If I were to just admit to myself, like, I'm going to die,

0:31:010:31:05

and I don't know how long it's going to be,

0:31:050:31:07

I think I'd be worse off than I am now.

0:31:070:31:10

-Do you think you'd die quicker?

-Yeah.

0:31:100:31:12

When I'm less well, I guess I'll end up going and living at home

0:31:160:31:20

with my mum. I don't really want to do that any time soon or by choice

0:31:200:31:24

because, to me, that's the beginning of, sort of, a downward spiral.

0:31:240:31:28

Is it important to you that people think that you're strong?

0:31:290:31:33

Yeah, it's REALLY important that people think I'm strong.

0:31:330:31:36

I don't want to look weak.

0:31:360:31:37

Why not?

0:31:380:31:40

Because I think that's admitting defeat.

0:31:400:31:42

So, I'm going to stay, you know,

0:31:430:31:46

standing on my two feet independently for as long as I can.

0:31:460:31:50

So, did your prognosis change you, Annabel?

0:31:580:32:00

Did it make you a stronger person?

0:32:000:32:02

Certainly, yeah.

0:32:020:32:04

It made me a much more confident person than I had ever been before.

0:32:040:32:08

'My name's Annabel.

0:32:100:32:12

'I was 51 when I discovered that I had stage 4 cancer.'

0:32:120:32:17

I decided to make myself a bucket list

0:32:200:32:23

and my first thing was to...

0:32:230:32:26

leave my husband.

0:32:260:32:29

I met my husband at university.

0:32:310:32:34

We were together 28 years.

0:32:340:32:36

I had a good life in my marriage but I just felt trapped,

0:32:370:32:41

completely trapped, and I wanted to just break free.

0:32:410:32:45

I got some inheritance money from my family.

0:32:470:32:49

I moved into my own flat.

0:32:500:32:53

I took up art, painting, I went travelling all around the world,

0:32:530:32:58

I took my children to different places.

0:32:580:33:00

Knowing that I only had a short time to go...

0:33:010:33:05

I thought, I just can't live my life just carrying on being a housewife.

0:33:050:33:10

I wanted to spend the last two or three years

0:33:110:33:14

doing something different.

0:33:140:33:15

How did your children react?

0:33:180:33:20

I did ask my children before I left,

0:33:200:33:23

and they both actually agreed that I would be happier

0:33:230:33:27

if I went and did my own thing.

0:33:270:33:30

'I'd always wanted to learn salsa dancing.'

0:33:340:33:37

It was a good way to meet new people and maybe meet a new partner.

0:33:380:33:43

People didn't know I had a terminal illness,

0:33:450:33:48

they just thought I had a dodgy leg.

0:33:480:33:51

But it's a real shame I can't do it any more.

0:33:520:33:55

It's one of the things I miss.

0:33:550:33:57

When I left my husband,

0:33:590:34:01

I didn't leave him for another man or anything,

0:34:010:34:04

but I did need to make a new love life for myself.

0:34:040:34:08

And I have done that.

0:34:080:34:10

I've lived for four years now with bone cancer,

0:34:130:34:17

and I think it's helped

0:34:170:34:19

because I've lived such a positive life and changed so much of it.

0:34:190:34:23

If I hadn't had the cancer, I'd just be a dull, sort of, person,

0:34:260:34:29

but because of the cancer I've become a much more...

0:34:290:34:33

interesting,

0:34:330:34:35

outrageous,

0:34:350:34:37

naughty older woman.

0:34:370:34:40

My name is Paulette.

0:34:500:34:52

I was 45 years old when I was diagnosed with Thymoma 3B.

0:34:520:34:56

Everything happened very quickly and I went to see an oncologist.

0:35:000:35:04

And I boldly asked him, "Well, how long do you think I have,

0:35:040:35:09

"if this is so serious?"

0:35:090:35:11

And he said, "Four months."

0:35:110:35:14

You could have blown me away.

0:35:160:35:18

I'd always been a very fit person.

0:35:210:35:24

I love my swimming, running, netball.

0:35:240:35:27

I work full-time in a secondary school.

0:35:300:35:33

And I really enjoyed my job.

0:35:340:35:36

I continued to enjoy it until my diagnosis.

0:35:360:35:39

I've brought two boys up.

0:35:470:35:49

Lovely boys.

0:35:490:35:50

Since I was 25, I brought them up on my own.

0:35:510:35:55

And it's been a challenge,

0:35:550:35:58

especially having one with special needs,

0:35:580:36:00

severe learning difficulties.

0:36:000:36:02

Tell me how much and how important your faith is.

0:36:060:36:09

Tremendously.

0:36:090:36:11

God lives within me. I don't do one without the other.

0:36:110:36:15

I am who I am because of him.

0:36:150:36:17

Do you ever scold him and say,

0:36:200:36:22

"Haven't I had enough problems to deal with?"

0:36:220:36:24

-I've been mad.

-Have you? Have you shouted at God?

0:36:240:36:26

I've been mad. I shouted, I've screamed.

0:36:260:36:28

Welcome, welcome. Thank you. Good morning, church.

0:36:280:36:31

-ALL:

-Good morning.

0:36:310:36:33

"How dare you?! Look how good I've been to people,

0:36:330:36:36

"and you turn round and do this."

0:36:360:36:38

With this cancer that I have, I've decided that I'm going to go away,

0:36:380:36:43

I'm going away in faith, but I will be in the hospital,

0:36:430:36:47

and I will do what I need to do and I'll be on the journey with God.

0:36:470:36:51

Thank you very much.

0:36:510:36:53

APPLAUSE

0:36:530:36:55

I grew up in a children's home

0:36:580:37:00

and, um, I stayed there up until I was five years old.

0:37:000:37:04

My mother was a schoolgirl mother, at 14 years old.

0:37:060:37:10

I remember taking a coach at five years old

0:37:110:37:15

with one of the ladies from the home,

0:37:150:37:17

who said that I was going to stay with my gran, aunt and my uncle.

0:37:170:37:22

I was never able to...

0:37:240:37:26

..acknowledge my birth mother.

0:37:270:37:30

But I always remember Bev, my mother,

0:37:320:37:35

coming to see me every time I had a child.

0:37:350:37:38

She would come and bring me a gift and we had pleasantry.

0:37:380:37:41

We'd just say, "How are you?" I'd say, "Fine." And that was it.

0:37:410:37:44

-So the cancer changed everything?

-Everything. Everything, it changed.

0:37:460:37:51

She was at my door straightaway.

0:37:510:37:53

And since then, we've spoken every day.

0:37:530:37:55

I can't believe how much she loves me.

0:37:560:38:00

And I can't imagine life without her.

0:38:010:38:03

And I won't have life without her now.

0:38:030:38:06

That's been the best antidote for coping with cancer.

0:38:080:38:11

What's helped you most get through this?

0:38:210:38:24

'Having the support of Carrie, who...'

0:38:240:38:27

is tremend...is just tremendous.

0:38:270:38:31

'She keeps everything together.'

0:38:310:38:34

I've been with Carrie since we were 18 - her 18th birthday.

0:38:360:38:40

Been married for nine years.

0:38:420:38:45

Been working as a police officer for 14 years.

0:38:460:38:50

General stresses of two young children!

0:38:540:38:57

We were exactly where we wanted to be.

0:38:580:39:01

My name's Steve, and last year, at the age of 36,

0:39:050:39:10

I was diagnosed with a grade 4 brain tumour...

0:39:100:39:15

..that had an average life expectancy of two years.

0:39:160:39:20

'The first 18 months have been really positive.

0:39:240:39:28

'I've still managed to get around because I can still talk'

0:39:280:39:32

and communicate, and I can still walk and I'm still able to work.

0:39:320:39:35

'Does it feel like a fight?

0:39:370:39:39

'Erm...it did to start off with.

0:39:400:39:43

'Because I thought there was a chance I was going to win.'

0:39:430:39:47

But, yeah, more recently it's been...

0:39:470:39:49

..tougher.

0:39:500:39:51

'Do you ever kick and shout and scream?

0:39:550:39:57

-'Erm...

-Or do you just cry?

0:39:570:40:00

'Cry mainly.

0:40:000:40:01

'And then spend the next hour feeling guilty

0:40:010:40:05

'and apologising to those that have had to see it.'

0:40:050:40:08

-And...

-What are you apologising for? Grumpiness?

0:40:080:40:10

Grumpiness, snappiness,

0:40:100:40:13

the fact that I've brought this into the family.

0:40:130:40:16

Erm...

0:40:160:40:17

And that I've... I'm doing this to everyone

0:40:180:40:22

and knowing that...

0:40:220:40:24

in the not-too-distant future it's going to get a lot worse.

0:40:240:40:28

I've been prescribed anti-depressants,

0:40:330:40:36

but I haven't taken any. I've...

0:40:360:40:38

I'm too stubborn.

0:40:390:40:41

-You see it as a weakness.

-I do, I do.

0:40:410:40:44

In your heart...

0:40:490:40:51

-Sorry to ask this.

-It's OK.

0:40:520:40:54

What do you think?

0:40:550:40:56

I've been given January.

0:40:570:40:59

So that's where I am.

0:41:010:41:02

-I've got until then.

-How long is that?

0:41:040:41:07

I don't think about it.

0:41:080:41:10

I try not to think about it.

0:41:100:41:12

But it's not long. It's not very long at all.

0:41:130:41:16

It's been an eventful two weeks.

0:41:250:41:27

There's been some quite massive developments.

0:41:270:41:29

'So I had my first seizure on Monday.

0:41:310:41:35

'I was seizing for about ten minutes.'

0:41:360:41:38

Um, I remember nothing about it.

0:41:380:41:41

Coat on.

0:41:410:41:43

Go on.

0:41:440:41:45

'And it's been something I've been worried about since being diagnosed.

0:41:450:41:49

'The kids seeing their dad collapse.

0:41:500:41:53

'Luckily they weren't here.

0:41:530:41:55

'And we told them when they got home from school,

0:42:030:42:06

'and the only thing they heard was, "Daddy fell off the toilet," '

0:42:060:42:10

and they thought that was hilarious, which...

0:42:100:42:11

-Was that a huge relief?

-Yes, massive.

0:42:110:42:14

Massive. Yeah.

0:42:140:42:16

Yeah.

0:42:160:42:17

To know that they can find the comedy aspect in it...

0:42:170:42:21

is brill...yeah, it's brilliant.

0:42:210:42:23

'Anti-depressants, which is a massive step for me,'

0:42:260:42:30

to admit that I would need some extra help

0:42:300:42:34

in the form of anti-depressants, anything like that,

0:42:340:42:37

is a big step for me.

0:42:370:42:39

You do seem much happier.

0:42:400:42:42

Well, people are telling me that, which is a worry,

0:42:420:42:46

cos I don't feel any different, but I must have been miserable!

0:42:460:42:49

'What has helped is the seizure.'

0:42:560:42:58

I could have died Monday

0:43:000:43:03

and not known anything about it.

0:43:030:43:06

At all.

0:43:060:43:08

When that final moment does happen, I'm going to suggest

0:43:090:43:13

I'll know nothing about that either.

0:43:130:43:15

So some of the fear I had about that has gone.

0:43:160:43:20

-That was lovely. Thank you.

-It's all right.

0:43:230:43:25

-Thank you very much.

-You're welcome.

0:43:250:43:27

It was a great life.

0:43:320:43:34

It was all fun.

0:43:340:43:35

It was never, ever boring.

0:43:350:43:37

And that's the whole thing for me. I haven't got to be bored.

0:43:370:43:41

I always thought I was going to be that old lady of 100

0:43:480:43:51

that you read about in the paper, who's parachuting out of a plane.

0:43:510:43:55

That was my idea of myself.

0:43:550:43:57

I'm Anita, and two weeks before my 70th birthday,

0:43:590:44:03

I was diagnosed with motor neurone disease.

0:44:030:44:06

Did you ask them how long you had?

0:44:110:44:13

The average is three to five years after diagnosis.

0:44:130:44:17

Some people live longer, some people are gone within six months.

0:44:190:44:23

There's no point in me being miserable about it

0:44:250:44:28

because if I've got a short time left to live,

0:44:280:44:31

then it's even more important that I make the most of every day

0:44:310:44:34

and be happy every day.

0:44:340:44:36

I joined a site on the internet for women

0:44:380:44:41

who want to find travel companions.

0:44:410:44:43

That's the best thing I ever did after my husband died.

0:44:430:44:47

As soon as I got home from one fantastic trip,

0:44:530:44:57

I would be sitting on the internet looking to book another one.

0:44:570:45:01

You know, "When's the next?"

0:45:010:45:03

So, although my husband didn't leave me any money,

0:45:060:45:09

he did leave me all his coins and his stamp collection...

0:45:090:45:12

..which I then sold on eBay, and that was my travel account.

0:45:140:45:18

I've had a wonderful life

0:45:230:45:25

and I'm still managing to squeeze a bit more out of it.

0:45:250:45:30

Hey!

0:45:320:45:34

'Obviously, we all want to live a wonderful, long life,

0:45:380:45:42

'full of quality for a long time, but if that's taken away from you,'

0:45:420:45:47

you've absolutely got to make sure you've got the quality every day.

0:45:470:45:50

I don't want to see this disease through to the end...

0:45:540:45:58

..because my brain will remain as it is,

0:46:020:46:05

while my body completely gives up.

0:46:050:46:09

And eventually I will need 24-hour care

0:46:110:46:14

and I don't have the money to pay for that care.

0:46:140:46:17

I could have gone and lived with my son, but I don't want to do that.

0:46:200:46:24

I don't... I'm just too independent.

0:46:240:46:27

I have to live my own life here.

0:46:270:46:30

And when I can't do that any more, then I've had enough. That'll do.

0:46:300:46:34

What have you decided, then?

0:46:350:46:37

I've decided that when the time comes

0:46:380:46:42

I will go to Switzerland.

0:46:420:46:44

I don't want to go, and I will have to go too early

0:46:450:46:49

because I need to be fit enough to travel.

0:46:490:46:52

I wish I could do it in my own home, that's all I wish.

0:46:540:46:57

I want to stay here and do it.

0:46:570:46:59

You're not a rich woman, are you,

0:47:000:47:02

so how have you managed to afford it?

0:47:020:47:04

It will take every last penny I've got.

0:47:040:47:07

I'm not worried about dying at all.

0:47:080:47:10

What I want to know is that I'm going to die

0:47:120:47:14

with some sort of dignity.

0:47:140:47:16

I'm taking the easy way out.

0:47:170:47:20

Why do you think it's easy?

0:47:230:47:24

All I've got to do is go on another trip. Another aeroplane ride.

0:47:240:47:28

Drink a drink.

0:47:290:47:31

Off I go.

0:47:310:47:33

Wonderful. That is how we all want to go, isn't it?

0:47:330:47:37

My death is an adventure.

0:47:480:47:50

I've never done this before. This is all new to me.

0:47:510:47:54

I'm Cindy, and I was 69 when I was diagnosed with multiple myeloma.

0:47:590:48:04

Do you still enjoy your life?

0:48:050:48:08

I enjoy my life incredibly, yes.

0:48:080:48:11

In some sense I enjoy it far more than I ever had before.

0:48:110:48:14

And I think having a death sentence really helps me with that.

0:48:140:48:18

Do you think you're better equipped than many

0:48:210:48:23

at dealing with your impending death?

0:48:230:48:27

I think both the Buddhism and the mindfulness

0:48:280:48:31

have really honed my way of being with...

0:48:310:48:35

whatever happens in life.

0:48:350:48:37

Buddhism doesn't make a big distinction between life and death.

0:48:380:48:42

-That's helpful.

-That's a big help.

0:48:420:48:44

I asked the haematologist what would happen if I would stop all chemo.

0:48:510:48:55

And there was shock and horror on their faces.

0:48:550:48:59

NOT what they wanted to hear.

0:48:590:49:02

And I was told at that point that it would be probably a matter of weeks

0:49:020:49:05

rather than months that I would have to live,

0:49:050:49:08

which did shock me.

0:49:080:49:10

I knew that death was coming, but it was, "Ooh, weeks. Ah."

0:49:100:49:15

It was, for me, very much a choice of quality of life,

0:49:170:49:20

and that was far more important to me than how LONG my life would be.

0:49:200:49:25

So I said, "OK, I'll take weeks."

0:49:250:49:27

And actually I've had seven or eight months.

0:49:270:49:31

I decided that it was important for me to be at the cottage

0:49:340:49:37

for my last summer.

0:49:370:49:38

My cottage is definitely my soul home.

0:49:410:49:44

It's a, erm...

0:49:450:49:46

little 500-year-old derelict cottage that my husband and I bought

0:49:460:49:51

about 25, 26 years ago.

0:49:510:49:53

This is not a wealthy person's country cottage!

0:49:540:49:58

This is rather primitive.

0:49:580:50:00

Since my husband died,

0:50:010:50:03

I've found it a lot easier to not be so...

0:50:030:50:07

attached to this life.

0:50:070:50:10

I've stopped all chemo treatment. I'm still having pain relief.

0:50:140:50:18

And I am having to up that.

0:50:180:50:21

This might sound perverse, but I've always wanted to have SOME pain

0:50:220:50:26

so that my body speaks to me.

0:50:260:50:29

So my palliative care consultant said,

0:50:330:50:35

"I think we have different goals."

0:50:350:50:38

She said, "My goal for you is no pain, but that's clearly

0:50:390:50:42

"not quite yours, is it?"

0:50:420:50:43

So we work very well together and we're working on

0:50:430:50:47

getting the pain just manageable.

0:50:470:50:50

There is a big assumption

0:50:550:50:56

that because of my background as a counsellor,

0:50:560:50:58

a psychotherapist, a Buddhist, a mindfulness teacher,

0:50:580:51:02

all these things, that I couldn't possibly need any help.

0:51:020:51:06

I wanted to die in a hospice,

0:51:090:51:11

and there I met other people like me

0:51:110:51:15

who have a terminal illness

0:51:150:51:17

and we could just be normal people together.

0:51:170:51:20

And that was a revelation to me.

0:51:210:51:23

Paulette was a totally unencumbered friendship.

0:51:290:51:33

I've got lots of friends, very dear friends...

0:51:340:51:37

..many of whom find it terribly hard to see me dying.

0:51:380:51:42

..happen someday. I'm old, I'm old.

0:51:420:51:46

I've had a long life.

0:51:460:51:48

Paulette, you know, she's not going to burst into tears

0:51:490:51:53

cos I'm dying.

0:51:530:51:54

'We have a laugh.

0:51:560:51:58

'We're both enjoying life.'

0:51:580:52:00

And we're able to talk to one another

0:52:010:52:04

about quite deep things that we don't want to necessarily share

0:52:040:52:09

with our family and friends

0:52:090:52:11

'because we don't want to frighten them.

0:52:110:52:14

'It's a bit of normal.

0:52:150:52:17

'I hadn't realised...

0:52:170:52:19

'..how much I needed that.'

0:52:200:52:22

-Yes, I did.

-Fantastic!

0:52:220:52:24

'Are you scared of death?'

0:52:240:52:26

I was terrified of death...

0:52:270:52:30

..in relation to my husband's death.

0:52:310:52:33

And I think his death freed me not to be afraid of my own death.

0:52:360:52:40

I've had a long life.

0:52:430:52:45

I don't want it to go on indefinitely.

0:52:450:52:49

Erm, I'm ready to die.

0:52:510:52:53

After a few months, people ring up

0:53:020:53:04

and there's a definite pause in the conversation

0:53:040:53:07

and I know exactly what they're thinking.

0:53:070:53:09

"He's still alive. What the hell is he doing still alive?

0:53:090:53:12

"He's supposed to have died six months ago."

0:53:120:53:15

So you get, sort of, um, sympathy fatigue setting in.

0:53:160:53:20

I'm Nigel. I was told about 20 months ago, when I was 69,

0:53:200:53:25

that I had a grade 4 brain tumour -

0:53:250:53:29

the nastiest sort you can get.

0:53:290:53:31

Yes, I think I can see mine.

0:53:310:53:34

Yea, and I can't see mine.

0:53:340:53:36

'I wasn't at all surprised.'

0:53:360:53:38

I've always lived my life expecting things to go wrong,

0:53:380:53:41

and they usually do, so it didn't really bother me!

0:53:410:53:44

-You've got to watch where it goes.

-Yes, I'm watching.

0:53:440:53:47

-All right, come on.

-I'm going over there to get mine.

0:53:470:53:50

'I'm probably the worst golfer in the countryside.'

0:53:510:53:54

But my friend, Simon, plays with me,

0:53:540:53:56

and he looks for my ball cos I can't see it.

0:53:560:53:59

So it's going to go round to the right, is it?

0:53:590:54:02

I tend to be looking for it over here

0:54:030:54:05

and I get tapped on the shoulder and told it's gone that way.

0:54:050:54:09

'It's a strange situation

0:54:110:54:12

'cos you can't avoid being the centre of attention.'

0:54:120:54:15

The best people are the people who just say, "You're a stupid arse,

0:54:150:54:17

"Get on with your life." That's much easier to handle.

0:54:170:54:20

But kindness is difficult to handle.

0:54:200:54:22

As a result of my lessons, my golf has got considerably worse.

0:54:230:54:26

'Did I think they were going to find a miracle cure? No, I never did.

0:54:270:54:30

'It's fatal to raise your expectations

0:54:300:54:32

'cos they can only be dashed.'

0:54:320:54:34

And then, as time went on, people, friends would ring up,

0:54:340:54:38

very lovingly, say, "Have you tried this in Dakota?

0:54:380:54:42

"South Dakota?"

0:54:420:54:43

Or, "Have you tried this new cancer treatment in Brooklyn?"

0:54:430:54:46

And, "Have you tried this?"

0:54:460:54:48

And I thought, "That's interesting." Then I thought, "No, forget it."

0:54:480:54:51

Who's waiting for who?

0:54:510:54:53

-HE MUMBLES

-Pardon?

0:54:530:54:56

Driving is a bit of a sore subject.

0:54:560:54:58

I am naturally...erm, bossy.

0:54:580:55:01

And poor Denise does all the driving and she's very good.

0:55:010:55:04

She might get a muddle occasionally.

0:55:040:55:07

What? I didn't touch it.

0:55:090:55:11

You jolly nearly hit the car on the left.

0:55:110:55:13

I did not, Nigel.

0:55:130:55:14

She doesn't take very kindly to my instruction.

0:55:150:55:18

So I have to tread a rather careful line.

0:55:180:55:22

-Am I going over the bridge or down? Which way?

-No, round, round.

0:55:220:55:26

-Down the bottom bit?

-Yes, down the bottom bit.

-OK.

0:55:260:55:28

You only have to say, you don't have to...

0:55:300:55:32

-Well, it's a bit bloody...

-You don't need to get annoyed, just tell me.

0:55:320:55:34

How long have you been driving here?

0:55:340:55:36

Do you feel as though you're putting a brave face on it or not?

0:55:360:55:40

Yeah, I've thought about that.

0:55:400:55:42

Do I put on a brave face and, at three o'clock in the morning,

0:55:420:55:44

weep buckets?

0:55:440:55:45

I don't. I genuinely don't. I really don't, to my surprise.

0:55:450:55:49

Are you all right?

0:55:490:55:51

I'll tell you when we get to the end of the journey.

0:55:510:55:54

I keep thinking, am I in denial? But I don't think I am.

0:55:550:55:58

I know I've got cancer, I know I'm going to die.

0:55:580:56:01

There we are.

0:56:010:56:02

Miracle.

0:56:030:56:05

'Somebody said, "Do you have targets you want to get to?"

0:56:080:56:12

'And I said, "No, I studiously avoid that because,

0:56:120:56:14

' "as soon as you do that, you keel over." '

0:56:140:56:16

But then I realised that, actually, there WAS a target that I...

0:56:180:56:22

..was keen on...

0:56:290:56:31

..which is one of the children's wedding.

0:56:330:56:36

Helpless.

0:56:390:56:41

Erm...

0:56:460:56:47

which is next weekend, down in Cornwall.

0:56:470:56:50

So that will be good.

0:56:520:56:54

BELLS CHIME

0:56:550:56:57

I'm glad you haven't asked me about my career

0:57:000:57:03

because that's about as catastrophic as it could have been.

0:57:030:57:06

Do you see yourself as a bit of a failure?

0:57:070:57:09

Erm, almost a complete failure, yes.

0:57:090:57:12

But since I met Denise and her family,

0:57:150:57:18

that has had the most...

0:57:180:57:20

..profound effect on my life.

0:57:210:57:23

'Some people probably say they need faith.

0:57:250:57:27

'Well, the faith that I've got is with all of that lot.

0:57:270:57:30

'It's a bit corny talking about it,

0:57:310:57:33

'but it's being loved that really, really matters.

0:57:330:57:37

'I was pretty sure I wasn't going to make it.'

0:57:390:57:42

I'd assumed I would have been long since pushing up daisies.

0:57:420:57:46

Erm...

0:57:460:57:48

but for some peculiar reason, I'm still here.

0:57:480:57:51

I set out to make a film about living, not dying.

0:57:560:57:59

Everyone I talked to in this film knew that death was coming soon,

0:58:010:58:06

but they made a choice to make the most of the life they had left.

0:58:060:58:10

I also made a choice not to tell you who's still alive or dead.

0:58:130:58:17

I want THEIR voices to live on.

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