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She was away abroad. | 0:00:13 | 0:00:15 | |
I remember getting a phone call at the time. | 0:00:15 | 0:00:18 | |
You know, you think it's just a parent ringing up to have a chat | 0:00:18 | 0:00:20 | |
and say hi. | 0:00:20 | 0:00:22 | |
And I think both Harry and I spoke to her | 0:00:22 | 0:00:24 | |
and said, you know, we were missing her and when was she back | 0:00:24 | 0:00:28 | |
and all that sort of stuff. | 0:00:28 | 0:00:30 | |
Think it was probably about tea-time for us and I was the typical | 0:00:32 | 0:00:38 | |
young kid, running around, playing games with my brother | 0:00:38 | 0:00:40 | |
and our cousins and being told, | 0:00:40 | 0:00:42 | |
"Mummy's on the phone, Mummy's on the phone," | 0:00:42 | 0:00:44 | |
and it's like, "Right, OK, ugh," you know? | 0:00:44 | 0:00:46 | |
"I really want to play, I really want to play." | 0:00:46 | 0:00:48 | |
If I'd known that was the last time I was going to speak to her, | 0:00:48 | 0:00:52 | |
the conversation would've gone in a very different direction. | 0:00:52 | 0:00:55 | |
And I have to live with that for the rest of my life, | 0:01:00 | 0:01:02 | |
knowing that I was that 12-year-old boy wanting to get off the phone | 0:01:02 | 0:01:05 | |
and wanting to go running around and play games | 0:01:05 | 0:01:08 | |
rather than speak to my mum. Um... | 0:01:08 | 0:01:11 | |
You know? | 0:01:11 | 0:01:13 | |
I was in Cape Town. | 0:01:35 | 0:01:36 | |
My phone went and I was initially informed that Diana | 0:01:36 | 0:01:40 | |
had been in a car accident. | 0:01:40 | 0:01:41 | |
I wasn't worried by the accident to start with, | 0:01:41 | 0:01:44 | |
because I was reassured it was just a bump. | 0:01:44 | 0:01:46 | |
And of course, even a bump, if Diana was involved, | 0:01:46 | 0:01:48 | |
would have been huge news. | 0:01:48 | 0:01:49 | |
So, I thought, this makes sense. | 0:01:49 | 0:01:51 | |
This was going to be a little nothing, | 0:01:51 | 0:01:53 | |
and nice of them to let me know. | 0:01:53 | 0:01:55 | |
The crash happened just after midnight, French time. | 0:02:00 | 0:02:03 | |
The couple, Dodi al-Fayed and the Princess, had been out... | 0:02:03 | 0:02:07 | |
The report I'm just seeing now, the Princess' car, | 0:02:07 | 0:02:09 | |
which was a blue Mercedes, appeared to have | 0:02:09 | 0:02:11 | |
overturned in the narrow tunnel near the river embankment. | 0:02:11 | 0:02:15 | |
Princess Diana suffered concussion, a broken arm | 0:02:15 | 0:02:18 | |
and serious cuts to her thigh... | 0:02:18 | 0:02:21 | |
My sister Jane called again and she said, | 0:02:21 | 0:02:24 | |
"It's looking quite serious, you know, really serious." | 0:02:24 | 0:02:27 | |
And then, she was on one line to me, | 0:02:27 | 0:02:29 | |
but because of her husband's job as the Queen's Private Secretary, | 0:02:29 | 0:02:34 | |
I could hear him on another line, and I heard him go... "Oh, no." | 0:02:34 | 0:02:37 | |
And then Jane said, "I'm afraid that's it." You know? | 0:02:38 | 0:02:42 | |
It was a shock. | 0:02:44 | 0:02:46 | |
But then, as soon as that had registered, | 0:02:46 | 0:02:48 | |
I knew there were things that had to be done. | 0:02:48 | 0:02:50 | |
And that meant ringing Balmoral, | 0:02:50 | 0:02:52 | |
ringing Downing Street, making certain the people who | 0:02:52 | 0:02:56 | |
needed to know knew straight away what had happened. | 0:02:56 | 0:03:01 | |
It was a small number of people who knew. | 0:03:01 | 0:03:03 | |
The Royal family knew, Number 10 knew. | 0:03:03 | 0:03:06 | |
So you didn't have what you would have now | 0:03:06 | 0:03:09 | |
when everybody would know almost instantaneously | 0:03:09 | 0:03:12 | |
because anybody at the hospital would immediately be | 0:03:12 | 0:03:15 | |
on a mobile phone to a news agency and the word would spread. | 0:03:15 | 0:03:19 | |
There was a period of about two hours, and I was talking to | 0:03:22 | 0:03:27 | |
other members of my family, and learnt that she hadn't made it. | 0:03:27 | 0:03:32 | |
And, for these two hours, the presenters on every news channel | 0:03:32 | 0:03:37 | |
were saying, "injured but expected to make a full recovery", | 0:03:37 | 0:03:41 | |
and I have no idea why, but it made me SO angry. | 0:03:41 | 0:03:44 | |
Tonight's accident is a terrible tragedy. | 0:03:44 | 0:03:48 | |
The death of the Princess of Wales fills us all with deep shock | 0:03:49 | 0:03:54 | |
and with deep grief. | 0:03:54 | 0:03:56 | |
She was religious in putting on her seat belt. | 0:03:56 | 0:03:59 | |
Why didn't she put it on that night? | 0:03:59 | 0:04:01 | |
I'll never know. | 0:04:01 | 0:04:03 | |
I was a very new Prime Minister, I'd been just a few months in office. | 0:04:05 | 0:04:09 | |
I was up in my constituency. I was woken by the policeman. | 0:04:09 | 0:04:12 | |
The bell hadn't woken us. He was standing at the foot of the bed. | 0:04:12 | 0:04:14 | |
And it was an extraordinary shock, because I knew her. | 0:04:14 | 0:04:18 | |
I liked her a lot. She was an extraordinary, iconic figure. | 0:04:18 | 0:04:21 | |
I mean, it's hard even to fully comprehend the degree | 0:04:21 | 0:04:24 | |
to which she was THE most famous person in the world. | 0:04:24 | 0:04:28 | |
NEWSREADER: What I can now tell you is this, | 0:04:29 | 0:04:31 | |
that the Princess of Wales is reported to have died. | 0:04:31 | 0:04:35 | |
This has not been confirmed by Buckingham Palace. | 0:04:35 | 0:04:39 | |
Today, now, 2017, you know, | 0:04:39 | 0:04:43 | |
we see Prince William, Prince Harry | 0:04:43 | 0:04:45 | |
as people that people feel a close connection with. | 0:04:45 | 0:04:49 | |
They speak like normal people. They act like normal people. | 0:04:49 | 0:04:52 | |
People don't find them hard to relate to. | 0:04:52 | 0:04:54 | |
It's really important to wind back | 0:04:56 | 0:04:58 | |
20 years and realise she was the first member of the Royal family | 0:04:58 | 0:05:04 | |
that people really felt behaved and acted like a normal human being. | 0:05:04 | 0:05:09 | |
-RADIO: -Even as we speak, the message about the Princess's death | 0:05:10 | 0:05:13 | |
is being transmitted to homes all over the country. | 0:05:13 | 0:05:16 | |
Yeah, and it is indeed a very, a greatly tragic moment. | 0:05:17 | 0:05:20 | |
It seems, it's just... | 0:05:20 | 0:05:22 | |
I think everybody in the studio is as appalled as everybody listening. | 0:05:22 | 0:05:25 | |
It's just such a terrible ending, isn't it? | 0:05:25 | 0:05:27 | |
Her loss was going to be a major global event. | 0:05:28 | 0:05:33 | |
The like of which we had not witnessed in recent British history, | 0:05:34 | 0:05:39 | |
so it was an extraordinary thing | 0:05:39 | 0:05:42 | |
and an extraordinary moment for the country. | 0:05:42 | 0:05:45 | |
She was a lovely character and when she decided to engage with you, | 0:05:50 | 0:05:56 | |
she really did. The Royal family aren't like that. | 0:05:56 | 0:06:00 | |
So this was a whole new ball game. | 0:06:00 | 0:06:04 | |
You've got status, | 0:06:04 | 0:06:06 | |
and a wonderful ability to engage with people | 0:06:06 | 0:06:10 | |
on a one-to-one basis. | 0:06:10 | 0:06:12 | |
She brought in a new way, really, didn't she? | 0:06:17 | 0:06:20 | |
She was a new kind of royal person. | 0:06:20 | 0:06:23 | |
And she was very, very good at it. | 0:06:23 | 0:06:24 | |
I mean, what she had with other people, | 0:06:29 | 0:06:33 | |
even people who were determined not to like her, | 0:06:33 | 0:06:36 | |
by the time they met her, she had this incredible charisma, | 0:06:36 | 0:06:41 | |
magic, that they'd love her. | 0:06:41 | 0:06:44 | |
People kind of wanted her shine to rub off on them. | 0:06:45 | 0:06:50 | |
Diana seemed, in front of everybody's eyes, | 0:06:56 | 0:06:59 | |
not just to grow in confidence, | 0:06:59 | 0:07:01 | |
um...and beauty. I mean, became, I think | 0:07:01 | 0:07:06 | |
everyone would agree, more and more beautiful, but she had... | 0:07:06 | 0:07:12 | |
you know, she could use those gifts of hers to best effect. | 0:07:12 | 0:07:17 | |
There was just this need to connect with people who were | 0:07:21 | 0:07:26 | |
suffering in some way, and I guess part of that probably | 0:07:26 | 0:07:29 | |
came from the fact that she did suffer as a child. | 0:07:29 | 0:07:31 | |
I think, also, that sort of... A feeling of pain from her, | 0:07:32 | 0:07:38 | |
that is quite beguiling in others. | 0:07:38 | 0:07:40 | |
You know, what, trying to work out why this girl is | 0:07:40 | 0:07:43 | |
not as happy as maybe she could be, or should be. | 0:07:43 | 0:07:46 | |
There was a depth that was obvious to Diana. | 0:07:48 | 0:07:50 | |
This is BBC Radio. | 0:07:56 | 0:07:58 | |
Buckingham Palace has confirmed the death of Diana, Princess of Wales. | 0:07:58 | 0:08:01 | |
In a statement it said the Queen and Prince Philip were deeply shocked | 0:08:01 | 0:08:04 | |
and distressed by this terrible news. | 0:08:04 | 0:08:07 | |
Other members of the Royal family are being informed | 0:08:07 | 0:08:10 | |
of the Princess's death. | 0:08:10 | 0:08:11 | |
Um, disbelief. Refused to accept it. | 0:08:13 | 0:08:17 | |
Um... | 0:08:17 | 0:08:19 | |
There was no sort of sudden outpour of grief. | 0:08:19 | 0:08:22 | |
Of course there wasn't. | 0:08:22 | 0:08:23 | |
I don't think anybody in that position at that age | 0:08:23 | 0:08:26 | |
would be able to understand the concept | 0:08:26 | 0:08:29 | |
of what that actually means, going forward. | 0:08:29 | 0:08:31 | |
I remember just feeling completely numb, disorientated, | 0:08:33 | 0:08:37 | |
dizzy and you feel very, very confused. | 0:08:37 | 0:08:42 | |
Um... | 0:08:42 | 0:08:44 | |
And you keep asking yourself, "Why me?" all the time. | 0:08:44 | 0:08:47 | |
"Why? Why? What have I done? Why has this happened to us?" | 0:08:47 | 0:08:50 | |
One of the hardest things for a parent to have to do is to | 0:08:53 | 0:08:56 | |
tell your children that your other parent has died. | 0:08:56 | 0:09:00 | |
How you deal with that, I don't know. | 0:09:01 | 0:09:04 | |
But, you know, he was there for us. | 0:09:04 | 0:09:08 | |
He was, he was... he was the one out of two left. | 0:09:08 | 0:09:11 | |
And he tried to do his best to make sure that we were protected | 0:09:12 | 0:09:17 | |
and looked after. | 0:09:17 | 0:09:19 | |
But, you know, he was going through the same grieving process as well. | 0:09:19 | 0:09:22 | |
Small groups of people are starting to gather outside the palace now. | 0:09:29 | 0:09:32 | |
A few of them have brought flowers and other tributes which they | 0:09:32 | 0:09:34 | |
have laid outside the main gates to the Palace. | 0:09:34 | 0:09:37 | |
I've just come through central London | 0:09:39 | 0:09:41 | |
and people are wandering around as if a bomb had dropped. | 0:09:41 | 0:09:44 | |
Silent, some in tears. | 0:09:44 | 0:09:47 | |
People are looking mesmerised. | 0:09:48 | 0:09:50 | |
It's a very curious event, | 0:09:50 | 0:09:52 | |
and death diminishes all, | 0:09:52 | 0:09:54 | |
as we know, but here, clearly, | 0:09:54 | 0:09:56 | |
was somebody who I think, particularly to younger people, | 0:09:56 | 0:09:59 | |
represented a slice of public life that was not like any other. | 0:09:59 | 0:10:02 | |
It was just such a shock to... | 0:10:06 | 0:10:09 | |
obviously, us, my wife and I. | 0:10:09 | 0:10:13 | |
You couldn't quite take it on board. | 0:10:13 | 0:10:15 | |
Just trying to compute it all, like the world was trying to do. | 0:10:15 | 0:10:17 | |
MAN WAILS | 0:10:17 | 0:10:19 | |
SOBBING | 0:10:19 | 0:10:20 | |
Tony and I, I remember one of the first conversations we had. | 0:10:20 | 0:10:24 | |
He said, "We're going to have to try to find a way to articulate | 0:10:24 | 0:10:28 | |
"what people are feeling and thinking." | 0:10:28 | 0:10:30 | |
He said, "This is going to produce grief | 0:10:30 | 0:10:33 | |
"like none of us have ever seen." | 0:10:33 | 0:10:34 | |
A lot of shock. It feels like she's, like, | 0:10:36 | 0:10:38 | |
a friend to us, even though | 0:10:38 | 0:10:39 | |
we don't know her, I'd never met her in my life, | 0:10:39 | 0:10:42 | |
know what I mean? It feels like you've lost a friend. It's very sad. | 0:10:42 | 0:10:45 | |
So many people felt they knew her really well. | 0:10:52 | 0:10:55 | |
They'd grown up with her. | 0:10:55 | 0:10:58 | |
They'd lived through all the triumphs, the tribulations. | 0:10:58 | 0:11:03 | |
Her whole life had been lived in the public eye. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:07 | |
There's no doubt that millions upon millions of families felt that | 0:11:10 | 0:11:13 | |
she was an honorary member, if you like, of their family. | 0:11:13 | 0:11:17 | |
From the moment that Diana got married in 1981, | 0:11:20 | 0:11:25 | |
the golden coaches, it was just a golden day. | 0:11:25 | 0:11:28 | |
And from that moment, millions and millions of people | 0:11:33 | 0:11:36 | |
bought into that story of the Disneyland Princess. | 0:11:36 | 0:11:40 | |
Here is the stuff of which fairy tales are made. | 0:11:43 | 0:11:49 | |
A prince and princess on their wedding day. | 0:11:49 | 0:11:53 | |
CHEERING | 0:11:53 | 0:11:55 | |
People had made a visceral connection with it, | 0:12:01 | 0:12:04 | |
that day in July, 1981. | 0:12:04 | 0:12:06 | |
A lot of people had watched it and were almost living their lives | 0:12:06 | 0:12:09 | |
thereafter vicariously, if you like, through that marriage | 0:12:09 | 0:12:13 | |
because it was such a golden moment. | 0:12:13 | 0:12:14 | |
Oh, she was a phenomenon. She was a phenomenon from the word go. | 0:12:18 | 0:12:22 | |
I don't even quite know what it is, | 0:12:22 | 0:12:23 | |
but there was something very, very special. | 0:12:23 | 0:12:25 | |
It wasn't just about the position, it wasn't just about the profile. | 0:12:25 | 0:12:29 | |
She seemed very vulnerable, she seemed innocent. | 0:12:29 | 0:12:33 | |
You know, the first time I met her, | 0:12:33 | 0:12:35 | |
there's very few people that I've met | 0:12:35 | 0:12:37 | |
and I've just gone, "Oh, my God." | 0:12:37 | 0:12:39 | |
The honeymoon and then the first pregnancy, the second pregnancy, | 0:12:41 | 0:12:45 | |
the cracks in the marriage, | 0:12:45 | 0:12:47 | |
and pictures, pictures, pictures, always pictures. | 0:12:47 | 0:12:51 | |
Just about anybody would find that there was some facet of that | 0:12:55 | 0:12:58 | |
multi-faceted Diana personality that appealed to them | 0:12:58 | 0:13:02 | |
as an individual and that they could relate to. | 0:13:02 | 0:13:04 | |
People saw in the Princess of Wales somebody who | 0:13:07 | 0:13:11 | |
reflected their desire for | 0:13:11 | 0:13:15 | |
an icon of beauty and youth, in a way. | 0:13:15 | 0:13:18 | |
But one that was flawed and had had its problems, | 0:13:18 | 0:13:23 | |
and so everybody could identify with her. | 0:13:23 | 0:13:27 | |
And they found it very hard to accept that she had died | 0:13:30 | 0:13:34 | |
in the most banal and brutal way that you could die, | 0:13:34 | 0:13:39 | |
which was in a car accident | 0:13:39 | 0:13:40 | |
in a concrete underpass on a Saturday night. | 0:13:40 | 0:13:43 | |
It didn't happen to your icon. | 0:13:43 | 0:13:46 | |
We are going, in fact, I believe, to Sedgefield, | 0:13:46 | 0:13:50 | |
the Prime Minister's constituency, | 0:13:50 | 0:13:51 | |
where he is about to make a statement. | 0:13:51 | 0:13:55 | |
I feel, like everyone else in this country today, utterly devastated. | 0:13:57 | 0:14:03 | |
I get asked so many times... | 0:14:04 | 0:14:05 | |
..was it you or Tony Blair who came up with "The People's Princess?" | 0:14:06 | 0:14:10 | |
I have no memory of discussing it whatsoever. | 0:14:10 | 0:14:14 | |
She...was a wonderful and a warm human being. | 0:14:14 | 0:14:18 | |
It was just this endless through-the-night conversation. | 0:14:18 | 0:14:22 | |
And the only reference to it in my diary is Tony and I | 0:14:22 | 0:14:28 | |
talking about when he should speak, what he should say, | 0:14:28 | 0:14:32 | |
and there's a line in my diary that says, | 0:14:32 | 0:14:35 | |
"We agreed it was fine to be emotional | 0:14:35 | 0:14:38 | |
"and it was OK to call her the People's Princess." | 0:14:38 | 0:14:42 | |
The people everywhere, not just here in Britain, everywhere, | 0:14:42 | 0:14:46 | |
they kept faith with Princess Diana. | 0:14:46 | 0:14:49 | |
They liked her, they loved her. | 0:14:49 | 0:14:50 | |
They regarded her as one of the people. | 0:14:52 | 0:14:54 | |
She was the People's Princess. | 0:14:57 | 0:14:58 | |
And that's how she will stay, how she will remain. | 0:15:02 | 0:15:06 | |
In our hearts and in our memories, for ever. | 0:15:08 | 0:15:11 | |
I think the reason we discussed about whether it was OK was | 0:15:12 | 0:15:16 | |
because we were sensitive to this idea that if you say, | 0:15:16 | 0:15:19 | |
well, if she's the People's Princess, | 0:15:19 | 0:15:21 | |
does that mean that the Royals aren't the People's? | 0:15:21 | 0:15:23 | |
News of the tragedy reached the Queen at Balmoral. | 0:15:25 | 0:15:28 | |
Just hours later, the grieving young princes arrived | 0:15:28 | 0:15:31 | |
with their father at nearby Crathie Kirk, | 0:15:31 | 0:15:34 | |
to attend the morning service. | 0:15:34 | 0:15:36 | |
At the time, you know, my grandmother wanted to protect | 0:15:37 | 0:15:40 | |
her two grandsons and my father, as well. | 0:15:40 | 0:15:42 | |
Our grandmother deliberately removed the newspapers | 0:15:42 | 0:15:45 | |
and things like that, so there was nothing in the house at all. | 0:15:45 | 0:15:47 | |
So we didn't know what was going on. | 0:15:47 | 0:15:49 | |
And back then, obviously, there were no smartphones | 0:15:49 | 0:15:51 | |
and things like that so you couldn't get your news. | 0:15:51 | 0:15:54 | |
And thankfully, at the time, to be honest. | 0:15:54 | 0:15:56 | |
We had the privacy to mourn and to kind of collect our thoughts | 0:15:56 | 0:16:01 | |
and to try and just have that space away from everybody. | 0:16:01 | 0:16:04 | |
We had no idea that the reaction to her death | 0:16:08 | 0:16:11 | |
would be quite so, you know, huge. | 0:16:11 | 0:16:15 | |
I think for Prince Charles, | 0:16:19 | 0:16:20 | |
he was in a most awful position throughout that week. | 0:16:20 | 0:16:25 | |
Because whatever he did, | 0:16:25 | 0:16:27 | |
he was potentially going to be criticised for it. | 0:16:27 | 0:16:29 | |
And his obvious priority were his two sons. | 0:16:31 | 0:16:34 | |
This afternoon, the Prince of Wales left Balmoral | 0:16:37 | 0:16:40 | |
and flew from Aberdeen to Paris to bring back the body of his ex-wife. | 0:16:40 | 0:16:45 | |
He was accompanied by the Princess's two sisters, | 0:16:45 | 0:16:48 | |
Lady Jane Fellowes and Lady Sarah McCorquodale. | 0:16:48 | 0:16:51 | |
I didn't have time to feel anything. | 0:16:53 | 0:16:56 | |
I think I felt shock, but I don't think I felt anything else. | 0:16:56 | 0:17:01 | |
Just love and shock. | 0:17:01 | 0:17:04 | |
I don't think I was capable of feeling anything else. | 0:17:07 | 0:17:10 | |
I think I put a barrier up. | 0:17:10 | 0:17:12 | |
These are the jobs that have got to be done, and just get on with it. | 0:17:12 | 0:17:16 | |
Time enough afterwards to point fingers | 0:17:17 | 0:17:21 | |
or whatever else you needed to do. | 0:17:21 | 0:17:23 | |
We are now seeing the Prince of Wales just leaving the hospital. | 0:17:25 | 0:17:29 | |
He wanted to thank the medical staff | 0:17:29 | 0:17:32 | |
for the apparently valiant efforts they had made | 0:17:32 | 0:17:35 | |
to try to save Diana's life. | 0:17:35 | 0:17:38 | |
The press were constantly trying to get in touch with me, | 0:17:39 | 0:17:42 | |
asking, I presume, for interviews and things, | 0:17:42 | 0:17:45 | |
24-7, which I found... | 0:17:45 | 0:17:48 | |
..unacceptable. | 0:17:50 | 0:17:51 | |
Um... | 0:17:51 | 0:17:52 | |
It wasn't the time then, | 0:17:54 | 0:17:56 | |
but they all wanted to be first. | 0:17:56 | 0:17:58 | |
I shared a drive with neighbours and they came and said, look, | 0:18:01 | 0:18:04 | |
there's a huge number of journalists outside your front gate. | 0:18:04 | 0:18:08 | |
And they're not, they say they won't go away | 0:18:09 | 0:18:11 | |
unless you make a statement. | 0:18:11 | 0:18:13 | |
And I thought, "Well, I'll give them a statement." | 0:18:13 | 0:18:15 | |
It would appear that every proprietor | 0:18:15 | 0:18:18 | |
and editor of every publication that has paid for intrusive | 0:18:18 | 0:18:22 | |
and exploitative photographs of her, | 0:18:22 | 0:18:24 | |
encouraging greedy and ruthless individuals | 0:18:24 | 0:18:26 | |
to risk everything in pursuit of Diana's image, | 0:18:26 | 0:18:29 | |
has blood on his hands today. | 0:18:29 | 0:18:31 | |
It was anger and... But apart from that, not just anger | 0:18:31 | 0:18:36 | |
but an incredible sense of waste, and, "What have you done?" | 0:18:36 | 0:18:38 | |
And I was thinking, I didn't put this in, but, to them, how stupid. | 0:18:38 | 0:18:43 | |
They'd killed the goose that laid their golden eggs. | 0:18:43 | 0:18:46 | |
When I heard she had died, | 0:18:48 | 0:18:51 | |
I was asked by a newspaper to write a piece. | 0:18:51 | 0:18:54 | |
And it actually never saw the light of day. | 0:18:54 | 0:18:58 | |
But I've got it somewhere. | 0:18:58 | 0:19:00 | |
And I know that | 0:19:00 | 0:19:01 | |
my kneejerk reaction to her death | 0:19:01 | 0:19:06 | |
was a feeling of responsibility, | 0:19:06 | 0:19:09 | |
for having helped to turn her | 0:19:09 | 0:19:13 | |
into an international...icon. | 0:19:13 | 0:19:17 | |
Because it got out of control, I think. | 0:19:17 | 0:19:22 | |
And none of us saw the danger. | 0:19:22 | 0:19:24 | |
I did go to photograph the coffin coming back. | 0:19:29 | 0:19:31 | |
And it's the only time I've ever seen the media pack be absolutely... | 0:19:31 | 0:19:36 | |
Nothing to say. | 0:19:36 | 0:19:38 | |
It was that hush, absolute hush. | 0:19:38 | 0:19:41 | |
Even the most hard-bitten journalist, | 0:19:41 | 0:19:42 | |
everybody was very quiet. | 0:19:42 | 0:19:45 | |
And I think none of us, kind of, it hadn't hit any of us | 0:19:45 | 0:19:48 | |
until that coffin came off. | 0:19:48 | 0:19:49 | |
And it came round and it was very close to us. | 0:19:50 | 0:19:53 | |
And it was just disbelief. | 0:19:55 | 0:19:57 | |
You kept looking at it and thinking, this is not a real... | 0:19:57 | 0:20:00 | |
This is not a real story. This is not Diana. | 0:20:00 | 0:20:02 | |
I was just standing there and ended up, | 0:20:08 | 0:20:10 | |
the Queen's Lord Chamberlain said to the Prime Minister, | 0:20:10 | 0:20:13 | |
he said, "You know, we're going to need a bit... | 0:20:13 | 0:20:16 | |
"We're going to need help on this." | 0:20:16 | 0:20:18 | |
And I think they realised this is going to be different, | 0:20:18 | 0:20:21 | |
for two reasons. One, she's not a Royal, | 0:20:21 | 0:20:23 | |
but the public view her in that way. | 0:20:23 | 0:20:26 | |
And two, I think they were onto this sense that this is going to provoke | 0:20:26 | 0:20:30 | |
a massive reaction and they might need a bit of help in navigating it. | 0:20:30 | 0:20:35 | |
Jane and I had been discussing on the way what was the next step, | 0:20:37 | 0:20:41 | |
how are we going to go forward with plans for a funeral, | 0:20:41 | 0:20:47 | |
what we were going to have. | 0:20:47 | 0:20:49 | |
And given the ages of William and Harry, Jane and I had both said | 0:20:49 | 0:20:53 | |
we both thought the best idea was a small, family funeral and then | 0:20:53 | 0:20:58 | |
an enormous memorial service to which everybody was invited. | 0:20:58 | 0:21:01 | |
And we left Northolt and came along the A40, | 0:21:03 | 0:21:07 | |
and every possible space was taken by people throwing flowers. | 0:21:07 | 0:21:14 | |
The central reservation, both sides, bridges. | 0:21:14 | 0:21:18 | |
And I think I turned to Jane and said, | 0:21:18 | 0:21:20 | |
"I don't think we're going to have a small family funeral, do you?" | 0:21:20 | 0:21:23 | |
After detailed consideration of the funeral arrangements, | 0:21:32 | 0:21:35 | |
Buckingham Palace announced them this morning. | 0:21:35 | 0:21:37 | |
On Saturday, Diana's coffin will be carried in procession to | 0:21:37 | 0:21:41 | |
Westminster Abbey where the funeral will take place at 11 o'clock. | 0:21:41 | 0:21:44 | |
It was the Queen's decision that Her Royal Highness should have | 0:21:46 | 0:21:50 | |
a Royal funeral. | 0:21:50 | 0:21:51 | |
The Princess was not a member of the Royal family, | 0:21:51 | 0:21:54 | |
therefore she wasn't amongst those who | 0:21:54 | 0:21:56 | |
I expected to have to deal with in this capacity, | 0:21:56 | 0:22:00 | |
but it became apparent very quickly that that was the case for her, too. | 0:22:00 | 0:22:04 | |
I knew at the back of my mind that the normal time between death | 0:22:06 | 0:22:09 | |
and funeral is something between eight and ten days. | 0:22:09 | 0:22:12 | |
I was set the task of arranging a funeral on the following Saturday. | 0:22:12 | 0:22:17 | |
And that gave me five working days. | 0:22:18 | 0:22:20 | |
My reaction was probably, internal, "Good Lord!" | 0:22:20 | 0:22:24 | |
But external, "Right, we'll do it." | 0:22:24 | 0:22:26 | |
Instinctively, I've always been a republican. | 0:22:30 | 0:22:33 | |
But it was extraordinary. I'll be frank. | 0:22:33 | 0:22:35 | |
It was extraordinary going off down The Mall, | 0:22:35 | 0:22:38 | |
being met by the Queen's Private Secretary | 0:22:38 | 0:22:40 | |
to go up to this meeting... | 0:22:40 | 0:22:41 | |
..sitting around a table with all these Royal establishment courtiers | 0:22:43 | 0:22:46 | |
to start to talk about what the funeral is going to look like. | 0:22:46 | 0:22:49 | |
We were ushered up into this room and there was this enormous table. | 0:22:50 | 0:22:55 | |
Um... I would say maybe seating 30. | 0:22:55 | 0:23:00 | |
Mahogany walls, big red carpet. | 0:23:00 | 0:23:03 | |
Enormous and quite silent. | 0:23:03 | 0:23:07 | |
There was a sense of solemnity | 0:23:07 | 0:23:11 | |
as soon as we entered. | 0:23:11 | 0:23:12 | |
There's a conference phone there, | 0:23:12 | 0:23:14 | |
and suddenly we've got people from Balmoral coming in. | 0:23:14 | 0:23:18 | |
And we're talking very quickly about what needs to be done. | 0:23:20 | 0:23:25 | |
There was an awful lot to do in that time. | 0:23:26 | 0:23:28 | |
Including rehearsals, not much time to get troops together. | 0:23:28 | 0:23:31 | |
In terms of getting the congregation together for the Abbey. | 0:23:31 | 0:23:35 | |
We had no knowledge of any list, | 0:23:35 | 0:23:38 | |
so we had people going through the Princess's Christmas card list, | 0:23:38 | 0:23:42 | |
her diaries, everything. | 0:23:42 | 0:23:43 | |
Her good friends came in to help us to find names so that we could | 0:23:43 | 0:23:47 | |
hope to get people in the Abbey that really mattered to the Princess. | 0:23:47 | 0:23:53 | |
And as with any funeral, | 0:23:53 | 0:23:54 | |
every little piece of this has to feel right. | 0:23:54 | 0:23:57 | |
Can't remember who it was, | 0:23:57 | 0:23:59 | |
but one of the Royal Household people used this thing about, | 0:23:59 | 0:24:03 | |
"We've got to get to the weekend and feel that there's been healing." | 0:24:03 | 0:24:06 | |
This morning's newspapers can expect record sales, | 0:24:09 | 0:24:12 | |
reflecting intense public interest in the Princess's death. | 0:24:12 | 0:24:15 | |
But even though there's still no firm evidence | 0:24:15 | 0:24:17 | |
that pursuing paparazzi caused her accident, | 0:24:17 | 0:24:19 | |
the media in general are being blamed for her death. | 0:24:19 | 0:24:22 | |
All of you, you're ashamed of yourself to even be here. | 0:24:22 | 0:24:24 | |
You have hounded her to death, that's what I want to say. | 0:24:24 | 0:24:27 | |
You've lost a lovely person for nothing! You're horrible! | 0:24:27 | 0:24:31 | |
The public reaction was enormous, profound, | 0:24:34 | 0:24:39 | |
and full of the sense of loss | 0:24:39 | 0:24:42 | |
and swiftly turning to a sense of anger | 0:24:42 | 0:24:47 | |
against parts of the media, for sure. | 0:24:47 | 0:24:50 | |
I could feel this situation building. | 0:24:50 | 0:24:53 | |
It's you, press, that killed her! | 0:24:53 | 0:24:55 | |
You're the scum! | 0:24:56 | 0:24:58 | |
You're here to pick the bones! | 0:25:00 | 0:25:02 | |
I think all of the media, including the BBC, | 0:25:05 | 0:25:08 | |
pursued for some days after Diana's death | 0:25:08 | 0:25:13 | |
the widely held belief that | 0:25:13 | 0:25:16 | |
the paparazzi had, as it were, | 0:25:16 | 0:25:19 | |
directly caused the accident in the tunnel in Paris. | 0:25:19 | 0:25:23 | |
The atmosphere in the office was one of disbelief | 0:25:27 | 0:25:30 | |
and also not without a certain amount of panic. | 0:25:30 | 0:25:35 | |
It was a very painful business to find yourself | 0:25:35 | 0:25:38 | |
accused of having blood on your hands in the wake of the Princess | 0:25:38 | 0:25:41 | |
being killed, when she's barely been put in her coffin. | 0:25:41 | 0:25:44 | |
Hello! magazine announced it was shredding its latest edition, | 0:25:44 | 0:25:48 | |
which contained a story about the Princess and Dodi Al-Fayed. | 0:25:48 | 0:25:51 | |
I began to feel that my friends | 0:25:51 | 0:25:54 | |
and my neighbours... were kind of looking at me. | 0:25:54 | 0:25:59 | |
I could just tell instantly this was going to be a hell of a problem. | 0:25:59 | 0:26:03 | |
The seclusion of Balmoral, deep in the Scottish Highlands, | 0:26:04 | 0:26:07 | |
is highly valued by the Royal family, and today its isolation | 0:26:07 | 0:26:11 | |
has allowed Prince Charles and his two sons to mourn in private. | 0:26:11 | 0:26:14 | |
Very sadly, a lot of my memories revolve around trying to | 0:26:16 | 0:26:20 | |
cheer her up, and I believe that she cried more to do with | 0:26:20 | 0:26:24 | |
press intrusion than anything else in her life. | 0:26:24 | 0:26:28 | |
The impact it was having on her, that we would then see | 0:26:28 | 0:26:30 | |
and feel, and... It was very difficult to understand. | 0:26:30 | 0:26:36 | |
She was subjected to treatment that, frankly, | 0:26:36 | 0:26:39 | |
nowadays people would find utterly appalling. | 0:26:39 | 0:26:42 | |
To begin with, the press was not dangerous. | 0:26:46 | 0:26:49 | |
It was quite light, it was fun. She did enjoy the press attention, yeah. | 0:26:49 | 0:26:54 | |
She did. She bought the papers most days. | 0:26:54 | 0:26:58 | |
We would laugh or see, "Oh, dear, that hasn't worked." | 0:26:58 | 0:27:02 | |
But it was all very new. | 0:27:04 | 0:27:06 | |
Is there any possibility of any announcement of your marriage | 0:27:06 | 0:27:09 | |
-in the near future, can you tell me? -BOY: -Prince Charles's girlfriend! | 0:27:09 | 0:27:13 | |
Can you tell me if there's any possibility? | 0:27:13 | 0:27:16 | |
I'm not going to say anything. | 0:27:16 | 0:27:18 | |
It was very innocent, you know? | 0:27:18 | 0:27:19 | |
There was exchanges between Diana and us. | 0:27:19 | 0:27:22 | |
Obviously, she didn't know how to handle us at all | 0:27:23 | 0:27:25 | |
and had no help, so she was just relying on her natural | 0:27:25 | 0:27:28 | |
ability of being a good people person. | 0:27:28 | 0:27:31 | |
Pretty much the whole paparazzi industry | 0:27:34 | 0:27:36 | |
was founded on Princess Diana. | 0:27:36 | 0:27:39 | |
She was a circulation gold mine. | 0:27:39 | 0:27:41 | |
For every paper, not just the tabloid papers, | 0:27:45 | 0:27:47 | |
a picture of Princess Diana on the front page, | 0:27:47 | 0:27:50 | |
the circulation manager would come up, he'd be opening the champagne. | 0:27:50 | 0:27:53 | |
He would say, "Fantastic. | 0:27:53 | 0:27:55 | |
"That's another 100,000 on the sale tomorrow." | 0:27:55 | 0:27:58 | |
And a lucky paparazzi, who'd managed to get a great picture | 0:27:58 | 0:28:00 | |
of the Princess, could make a year's money from one picture. | 0:28:00 | 0:28:04 | |
Although she was quite unsophisticated and young, she was | 0:28:07 | 0:28:10 | |
very quick at understanding that, actually, she could control it. | 0:28:10 | 0:28:15 | |
Once she got the confidence, | 0:28:15 | 0:28:16 | |
she knew she could use the press, very much so. | 0:28:16 | 0:28:18 | |
And, you know, all it would take was one little phone call, | 0:28:18 | 0:28:21 | |
a little tip, and she knew that the right people would be there. | 0:28:21 | 0:28:25 | |
I think sometimes, looking back on it, there were times perhaps that | 0:28:26 | 0:28:30 | |
we forgot that she was actually quite a fragile human being. | 0:28:30 | 0:28:35 | |
So, yes, I look back on it now | 0:28:35 | 0:28:37 | |
and I think that there were times that she was pursued too much. | 0:28:37 | 0:28:41 | |
As soon as Diana got divorced and left the umbrella of the security | 0:28:45 | 0:28:49 | |
and press office and everything, it absolutely changed everything. | 0:28:49 | 0:28:52 | |
It was like, there's no rules any more. It got very ugly. | 0:28:52 | 0:28:55 | |
It was horrible. You just... | 0:28:55 | 0:28:57 | |
I mean, for me, I didn't want to be anywhere near it. | 0:28:57 | 0:28:59 | |
As a parent, could I ask you to respect my children's space? | 0:29:01 | 0:29:05 | |
I think Diana was an agent of the breakdown of the relationship | 0:29:05 | 0:29:09 | |
with the press, slightly, to begin with, | 0:29:09 | 0:29:13 | |
because she courted them, | 0:29:13 | 0:29:15 | |
she tamed them, to a degree, | 0:29:15 | 0:29:19 | |
they then got larger, the beast got larger and larger, she lost control. | 0:29:19 | 0:29:25 | |
CAMERAS CLICK | 0:29:25 | 0:29:27 | |
We'd go looking for her to talk to her, to play, to do whatever. | 0:29:31 | 0:29:35 | |
She'd be crying. And when that was the case, it was to do with press. | 0:29:35 | 0:29:40 | |
She'd had a confrontation with photographers on the way to the gym, | 0:29:40 | 0:29:43 | |
on the way outside, just trying to do, you know, day-to-day stuff. | 0:29:43 | 0:29:46 | |
The damage, for me, was being a little boy aged eight, nine, | 0:29:48 | 0:29:52 | |
ten, whatever it was, wanting to protect your mother | 0:29:52 | 0:29:55 | |
and finding it very difficult seeing her very upset. | 0:29:55 | 0:29:58 | |
Every single time she went out, | 0:29:59 | 0:30:01 | |
there'd be a pack of people waiting for her, like a pack of dogs, | 0:30:01 | 0:30:04 | |
who followed her, chased her, harassed her, | 0:30:04 | 0:30:07 | |
called her names, spat at her, tried to get a reaction, | 0:30:07 | 0:30:10 | |
to get that photograph of her lashing out, get her upset. | 0:30:10 | 0:30:13 | |
You know, it was very hard for William and I, | 0:30:18 | 0:30:21 | |
knowing that there was absolutely nothing that we could do. | 0:30:21 | 0:30:23 | |
And one of those really, you know, sort of hard, | 0:30:23 | 0:30:27 | |
bad memories was on the way to a tennis lesson. | 0:30:27 | 0:30:30 | |
And she was so fed up of being chased by guys on motorbikes | 0:30:30 | 0:30:33 | |
and in cars that she stopped the car down a side street | 0:30:33 | 0:30:36 | |
on the way to the Harbour Club. | 0:30:36 | 0:30:37 | |
And she jumped out of the car and went running up to these guys and | 0:30:37 | 0:30:40 | |
just shouted and screamed at them while they took photographs of her. | 0:30:40 | 0:30:43 | |
And that lasted about five minutes, | 0:30:43 | 0:30:44 | |
and I just remember being stuck in the back seat with my seat belt on, | 0:30:44 | 0:30:47 | |
unable to turn around and trying to look in the mirror | 0:30:47 | 0:30:49 | |
to see what was going on. | 0:30:49 | 0:30:50 | |
All I could hear was screaming. And then she jumped back in the car, | 0:30:50 | 0:30:53 | |
and she couldn't even talk to us. She just had, you know... | 0:30:53 | 0:30:56 | |
Her eyes were just bawling out. | 0:30:56 | 0:30:58 | |
And, you know, she was... | 0:30:58 | 0:31:00 | |
You know, she was just constantly crying. | 0:31:00 | 0:31:04 | |
And I just remember William and I looked at each other | 0:31:04 | 0:31:06 | |
and then sort of stared out of the window | 0:31:06 | 0:31:09 | |
and just thought, "Is this supposed to be the way that | 0:31:09 | 0:31:11 | |
"it's going to be for the rest of our lives?" | 0:31:11 | 0:31:15 | |
It was hard. | 0:31:15 | 0:31:16 | |
It's been revealed that the Mercedes car in which Diana | 0:31:22 | 0:31:25 | |
and her friend Dodi Al-Fayed died was apparently travelling at 121mph. | 0:31:25 | 0:31:30 | |
News that Princess Diana's driver had been drinking | 0:31:32 | 0:31:34 | |
took some of the pressure off journalists and the media today. | 0:31:34 | 0:31:38 | |
Many had blamed them for causing her death. | 0:31:38 | 0:31:40 | |
It took the spotlight off the newspapers, | 0:31:42 | 0:31:45 | |
but I remember thinking it wouldn't take them off for very long. | 0:31:45 | 0:31:48 | |
What had happened was so horrible that one wanted to say to oneself, | 0:31:48 | 0:31:53 | |
"Well, whatever's happened, it was nothing to do with us," | 0:31:53 | 0:31:55 | |
while all the time kind of knowing in your heart of hearts | 0:31:55 | 0:31:59 | |
that that didn't really wash. | 0:31:59 | 0:32:01 | |
I think one of the hardest things to come to terms with... | 0:32:06 | 0:32:09 | |
is the fact that the people that chased her into the tunnel | 0:32:09 | 0:32:14 | |
were the same people that were taking photographs of her | 0:32:14 | 0:32:16 | |
while she was still dying on the back seat of the car. | 0:32:16 | 0:32:19 | |
Um... And William and I know that, | 0:32:19 | 0:32:21 | |
we've been told that numerous times | 0:32:21 | 0:32:23 | |
by people that know that was the case. | 0:32:23 | 0:32:26 | |
She'd had quite a severe head injury, | 0:32:26 | 0:32:28 | |
but she was very much still alive on the back seat, | 0:32:28 | 0:32:30 | |
and those people that caused the accident... | 0:32:30 | 0:32:33 | |
..instead of helping, were taking photographs of her | 0:32:34 | 0:32:37 | |
dying on the back seat. | 0:32:37 | 0:32:38 | |
And then those photographs made their way back | 0:32:38 | 0:32:40 | |
to news desks in this country. | 0:32:40 | 0:32:43 | |
As they are throughout the nation, | 0:32:54 | 0:32:55 | |
the flags over Whitehall are at half-mast. | 0:32:55 | 0:32:58 | |
The Prime Minister cancelled his public engagements for today. | 0:32:58 | 0:33:01 | |
Campaigning for the Scottish and Welsh referendums | 0:33:01 | 0:33:04 | |
has been suspended. | 0:33:04 | 0:33:05 | |
I rang headquarters and said, "I think we should be there." | 0:33:08 | 0:33:12 | |
I think it was Monday morning. | 0:33:12 | 0:33:14 | |
I was instructed to drive to the side of the Palace, | 0:33:14 | 0:33:17 | |
so I drove into London, set the vehicle up | 0:33:17 | 0:33:22 | |
and we started giving out drinks, talking to people. | 0:33:22 | 0:33:26 | |
The people who went to the Palace in those early days | 0:33:27 | 0:33:30 | |
were the ones that really had this sense of loss, | 0:33:30 | 0:33:33 | |
through the media, I'm assuming. | 0:33:33 | 0:33:35 | |
But for some reason they felt a real connection with Lady Diana, | 0:33:35 | 0:33:40 | |
and so they needed to work that out, they needed to express that grief. | 0:33:40 | 0:33:44 | |
I think in the past, we used to process that grief in church. | 0:33:46 | 0:33:50 | |
And, for me, Lady Diana's death | 0:33:52 | 0:33:55 | |
was the first national point where actually | 0:33:55 | 0:33:58 | |
we didn't process it in church, we processed it at the Palace. | 0:33:58 | 0:34:01 | |
So those people who needed to process those emotions | 0:34:01 | 0:34:04 | |
actually came together at the Palace, | 0:34:04 | 0:34:06 | |
and that's what I experienced on that day. | 0:34:06 | 0:34:09 | |
The crowds grew so quickly and so big | 0:34:13 | 0:34:19 | |
that, after a day or two, | 0:34:19 | 0:34:21 | |
the only way for me to get down to these meetings, | 0:34:21 | 0:34:25 | |
rather than drive down the Mall, it was to walk through the crowds. | 0:34:25 | 0:34:30 | |
And I remember walking back one day, | 0:34:30 | 0:34:34 | |
and these two young couples were there, | 0:34:34 | 0:34:37 | |
and they talked about her as though she was like a close friend. | 0:34:37 | 0:34:43 | |
They talked about her as though they knew her, | 0:34:43 | 0:34:46 | |
er, what role she played in their lives. | 0:34:46 | 0:34:51 | |
I did have a feeling... | 0:34:54 | 0:34:56 | |
I'm not saying that people didn't feel what | 0:34:56 | 0:34:59 | |
they were feeling deeply, | 0:34:59 | 0:35:01 | |
but there was something unreal about it, | 0:35:01 | 0:35:05 | |
there was something just a little bit unreal about it. | 0:35:05 | 0:35:08 | |
-ON PHONE: -..a long, drawn-out affair, | 0:35:10 | 0:35:12 | |
Diana's death was such a sudden shock. | 0:35:12 | 0:35:15 | |
So how did her death, then, affect you, Michael? | 0:35:15 | 0:35:18 | |
Well, my wife died in April, and as one of your previous callers said, | 0:35:18 | 0:35:23 | |
"Grown men have cried," and I shed far more tears for Diana | 0:35:23 | 0:35:26 | |
-than I did for my wife. -But that's extraordinary, isn't it? | 0:35:26 | 0:35:29 | |
I live opposite Kensington Palace and so saw | 0:35:32 | 0:35:36 | |
hundreds and thousands of people going to leave flowers, and... | 0:35:36 | 0:35:41 | |
I loved that they loved her, | 0:35:41 | 0:35:42 | |
and I loved that they were wanting to demonstrate that, | 0:35:42 | 0:35:46 | |
and I also felt furious and I wanted them to leave her alone. | 0:35:46 | 0:35:51 | |
I'm standing just outside Buckingham Palace. With the Royal family | 0:35:55 | 0:35:59 | |
still away at Balmoral, it looks strangely forlorn and empty. | 0:35:59 | 0:36:03 | |
She wasn't like the Royal family. | 0:36:04 | 0:36:06 | |
I wouldn't even call her part of the Royal family. | 0:36:06 | 0:36:09 | |
I certainly wouldn't come down | 0:36:09 | 0:36:11 | |
for any other member of the Royal family. She was just different. | 0:36:11 | 0:36:14 | |
With Princess Diana's relationship that she'd had with the monarchy | 0:36:15 | 0:36:19 | |
and the relationship with Prince Charles, there was | 0:36:19 | 0:36:22 | |
going to be a risk that the country's sense of loss | 0:36:22 | 0:36:25 | |
turned to a sense of anger and grievance | 0:36:25 | 0:36:28 | |
and then turned against the monarchy, | 0:36:28 | 0:36:30 | |
so the first conversation with the Queen was an important conversation. | 0:36:30 | 0:36:35 | |
She was obviously very sad about Diana, | 0:36:35 | 0:36:38 | |
she was concerned about the monarchy itself, | 0:36:38 | 0:36:40 | |
because the Queen has a very strong instinct about public opinion | 0:36:40 | 0:36:44 | |
and how it plays, | 0:36:44 | 0:36:45 | |
and at that first conversation, we just agreed to keep closely | 0:36:45 | 0:36:49 | |
in touch with how we managed the affair over the next week. | 0:36:49 | 0:36:53 | |
I don't think anyone... Even my grandmother had never seen anything | 0:36:56 | 0:36:58 | |
like this before, so I think all of us were in new territory. | 0:36:58 | 0:37:02 | |
But for Harry and I, you know, my grandmother | 0:37:02 | 0:37:04 | |
and my father believed that we were better served | 0:37:04 | 0:37:06 | |
and better off up in Balmoral, having, you know, the walks | 0:37:06 | 0:37:10 | |
and the space and the peace to kind of be with the family | 0:37:10 | 0:37:13 | |
and not be sort of immersed or having to deal with, you know, | 0:37:13 | 0:37:18 | |
serious decisions or worries straight away. | 0:37:18 | 0:37:21 | |
-ON PHONE: -I think it's disgraceful that William | 0:37:24 | 0:37:26 | |
and Harry are perhaps not being allowed to | 0:37:26 | 0:37:28 | |
express their grief in the best way, | 0:37:28 | 0:37:30 | |
and by keeping them up there like prisoners, | 0:37:30 | 0:37:33 | |
they're perhaps unaware of the large outpouring of grief | 0:37:33 | 0:37:36 | |
and love that the world has for Diana. | 0:37:36 | 0:37:39 | |
If you were the grandmother of a 12-year-old | 0:37:39 | 0:37:41 | |
and a 15-year-old whose mother had just been killed in a car crash... | 0:37:41 | 0:37:46 | |
She did absolutely the right thing. | 0:37:46 | 0:37:48 | |
If I'd been her, I'd have done that! | 0:37:48 | 0:37:50 | |
Why would you bring them into London? | 0:37:50 | 0:37:53 | |
Why don't you let them get over the shock, | 0:37:53 | 0:37:55 | |
or the start of the shock, in the bosom of their family? | 0:37:55 | 0:37:59 | |
The flagpole, as many people have noticed, | 0:38:13 | 0:38:15 | |
is still bare at Buckingham Palace. | 0:38:15 | 0:38:17 | |
Now, whatever their private feelings, many people are | 0:38:17 | 0:38:20 | |
questioning whether the Royal family is showing the right response | 0:38:20 | 0:38:23 | |
in public at this time of great national mourning. | 0:38:23 | 0:38:26 | |
That was certainly the feeling of many people I spoke to | 0:38:26 | 0:38:28 | |
in the queue waiting to pay their respects at St James's Palace. | 0:38:28 | 0:38:32 | |
I feel they've shot themselves in the foot, | 0:38:32 | 0:38:34 | |
because they just don't seem to care. | 0:38:34 | 0:38:37 | |
Just typical, isn't it? It's a typical reaction of the Royal | 0:38:37 | 0:38:39 | |
family - stick to protocol, don't worry about human emotion. | 0:38:39 | 0:38:43 | |
This sort of sudden outcry, what were we doing about the flag, | 0:38:43 | 0:38:49 | |
sort of came out of nowhere. | 0:38:49 | 0:38:52 | |
I hesitate to criticise the media, | 0:38:52 | 0:38:54 | |
but I think the press may have wanted to sort of shift the blame | 0:38:54 | 0:38:58 | |
a little bit from themselves. | 0:38:58 | 0:39:00 | |
I knew the Queen would be very strong in her views. | 0:39:01 | 0:39:05 | |
She didn't lower the Standard on the death of her father, | 0:39:05 | 0:39:08 | |
and she wouldn't lower the Standard on the death of anybody else. | 0:39:08 | 0:39:12 | |
Those protocols are crucial to maintain standards. | 0:39:13 | 0:39:17 | |
We stand on what we've inherited, tradition, | 0:39:17 | 0:39:21 | |
what kings and queens have passed down to their successors, | 0:39:21 | 0:39:26 | |
so it may only be a flag going up or down, | 0:39:26 | 0:39:29 | |
but it means an awful lot to them and indeed to most of us. | 0:39:29 | 0:39:32 | |
And one of the things you want to say to the Palace now is, | 0:39:32 | 0:39:35 | |
I would like one member of the Royal family to come down to St James's | 0:39:35 | 0:39:40 | |
-and to walk amongst them and to shake their hands. -That... | 0:39:40 | 0:39:44 | |
-That feeling sort of started yesterday. -It's time. It's time. | 0:39:44 | 0:39:47 | |
First of all, there was this flag situation, | 0:39:47 | 0:39:50 | |
and then there began to be this, "Where are the Royal family? | 0:39:50 | 0:39:56 | |
"Why aren't they here?" | 0:39:56 | 0:39:57 | |
I think it's disgraceful that they're not here in residence, | 0:39:57 | 0:40:00 | |
and I think most people I've been speaking to this morning | 0:40:00 | 0:40:03 | |
have said exactly the same thing. | 0:40:03 | 0:40:05 | |
And we were aware that the media were fanning those flames. | 0:40:07 | 0:40:11 | |
That is how they sell newspapers. | 0:40:11 | 0:40:14 | |
But it was fanned to such an extent that it actually hurt everybody. | 0:40:14 | 0:40:19 | |
It certainly hurt... I'm sure it hurt the Queen. | 0:40:19 | 0:40:22 | |
It certainly hurt all of us who were in the Palace at the time. | 0:40:22 | 0:40:25 | |
They weren't acting as the public felt that they should, | 0:40:25 | 0:40:30 | |
and they were - quotes - "hiding away" up in Balmoral | 0:40:30 | 0:40:33 | |
and "not caring" about us and how we feel. | 0:40:33 | 0:40:37 | |
I kept hearing this all the time! | 0:40:37 | 0:40:39 | |
You know, "Why don't they care about how we feel?" | 0:40:39 | 0:40:41 | |
You know, they must know how we're feeling, | 0:40:41 | 0:40:44 | |
and we'd like to know how they're feeling. | 0:40:44 | 0:40:46 | |
It was very difficult to work out exactly what the Queen was | 0:40:46 | 0:40:49 | |
thinking at this time. | 0:40:49 | 0:40:51 | |
I mean, I think she was resistant to anything | 0:40:53 | 0:40:56 | |
that struck her as false, | 0:40:56 | 0:40:58 | |
or struck her as, as it were, | 0:40:58 | 0:41:00 | |
a public relations event in the face of something | 0:41:00 | 0:41:04 | |
that was a profound personal tragedy. | 0:41:04 | 0:41:07 | |
You know, it was a case of, right, | 0:41:09 | 0:41:11 | |
how do we let the boys grieve in privacy, but at the same time, | 0:41:11 | 0:41:16 | |
when is the right time for them to put on their Prince hats | 0:41:16 | 0:41:21 | |
and carry out duties to mourn not just their mother | 0:41:21 | 0:41:25 | |
but the Princess of Wales in a very public audience? | 0:41:25 | 0:41:28 | |
I think it was a very hard decision for my grandmother to make. | 0:41:30 | 0:41:32 | |
She felt very torn between being the grandmother to William | 0:41:32 | 0:41:36 | |
and Harry and her Queen role, and I think she... | 0:41:36 | 0:41:41 | |
Again, like I said, everyone was surprised | 0:41:41 | 0:41:43 | |
and taken aback by the scale of what happened | 0:41:43 | 0:41:46 | |
and the nature of how quickly it all happened, | 0:41:46 | 0:41:48 | |
plus the fact that, you know, my mother, she was or had been | 0:41:48 | 0:41:51 | |
challenging the Royal family for many years beforehand. | 0:41:51 | 0:41:55 | |
Look at the very, very recent history. | 0:42:00 | 0:42:03 | |
Prince Charles and Princess Diana | 0:42:03 | 0:42:05 | |
had only been divorced for a year or so. | 0:42:05 | 0:42:08 | |
She'd done that interview, the "Three in the marriage" interview, | 0:42:08 | 0:42:12 | |
the Andrew Morton book. | 0:42:12 | 0:42:13 | |
You know, there'd been, you know, an awful lot of exposure of sort of | 0:42:13 | 0:42:18 | |
the underbelly of the Royal family, and not all of it, you know, | 0:42:18 | 0:42:21 | |
entirely in the Royal family's favour. | 0:42:21 | 0:42:23 | |
What began as rumours of a Royal rift, | 0:42:26 | 0:42:31 | |
you could actually see it in the body language. | 0:42:31 | 0:42:34 | |
You remember that iconic shot of the two of them, I think | 0:42:34 | 0:42:38 | |
in the back of a car together, | 0:42:38 | 0:42:40 | |
and they're looking different ways, and clearly this was a couple | 0:42:40 | 0:42:45 | |
who were no longer enjoying one another's company. | 0:42:45 | 0:42:49 | |
Speculation over the marriage of the Prince | 0:42:50 | 0:42:52 | |
and Princess of Wales dominates the popular newspapers today, | 0:42:52 | 0:42:55 | |
with claim and counterclaim about whether | 0:42:55 | 0:42:57 | |
the couple are on the verge of parting. | 0:42:57 | 0:42:59 | |
Both camps, Diana supporters and Charles supporters, | 0:43:00 | 0:43:04 | |
were pumping out quite a lot of genuine information | 0:43:04 | 0:43:08 | |
and quite a lot of disinformation | 0:43:08 | 0:43:11 | |
in what was becoming the most public royal break-up, | 0:43:11 | 0:43:15 | |
I guess, in modern history. | 0:43:15 | 0:43:18 | |
I can understand, having sometimes been in those situations | 0:43:21 | 0:43:25 | |
when you feel incredibly desperate and it's very unfair | 0:43:25 | 0:43:28 | |
and, you know, things are being said that aren't true. | 0:43:28 | 0:43:32 | |
The easiest thing to do is just to say... | 0:43:32 | 0:43:34 | |
or to go to the media yourself or, you know, open that door, | 0:43:34 | 0:43:38 | |
but once you've opened it you can never close it again. | 0:43:38 | 0:43:40 | |
Panorama doesn't usually pull in the punters at pubs, | 0:43:40 | 0:43:43 | |
but the Princess of Wales proved as popular as a soccer match. | 0:43:43 | 0:43:47 | |
PHOTOGRAPHERS SHOUT OUT | 0:43:47 | 0:43:49 | |
I, by this stage, was only very part time, | 0:43:49 | 0:43:52 | |
doing the odd engagement with her, | 0:43:52 | 0:43:54 | |
which actually happened to be on the night of the Panorama interview. | 0:43:54 | 0:44:00 | |
She wasn't at home to watch it herself. | 0:44:00 | 0:44:02 | |
Instead, she was facing a barrage of flash bulbs | 0:44:02 | 0:44:05 | |
as she arrived for a charity gala in London. | 0:44:05 | 0:44:07 | |
There we were in our long dresses, going off to a dinner. | 0:44:07 | 0:44:11 | |
So we had a five, ten-minute car journey, | 0:44:11 | 0:44:15 | |
and I said, "Ma'am, what's going to be in... | 0:44:15 | 0:44:18 | |
"What's Panorama going to be about?" | 0:44:18 | 0:44:20 | |
because it was going. | 0:44:20 | 0:44:22 | |
She said, "Don't worry, Anne, don't worry. It's going to be fine." | 0:44:22 | 0:44:25 | |
I thought, "Uh-oh...!" | 0:44:25 | 0:44:28 | |
And she said, "People told me it's fine." | 0:44:31 | 0:44:33 | |
And I thought, "I wonder which people those are." | 0:44:33 | 0:44:36 | |
You know, who was advising her, | 0:44:36 | 0:44:38 | |
who the people were who were saying this is good. | 0:44:38 | 0:44:41 | |
Her private office were left out of it. | 0:44:41 | 0:44:45 | |
Do you think you'll ever be Queen? | 0:44:51 | 0:44:54 | |
-No, I don't, no. -Why do you think that? | 0:44:57 | 0:45:00 | |
I'd like to be a queen of people's hearts in people's hearts, | 0:45:03 | 0:45:07 | |
but I don't see myself being Queen of this country. | 0:45:07 | 0:45:11 | |
I don't think many people would want me to be Queen, actually. | 0:45:11 | 0:45:14 | |
When I say many people, I mean the establishment that I'm married into, | 0:45:14 | 0:45:18 | |
because they've decided that I'm a non-starter. | 0:45:18 | 0:45:22 | |
Rightly or wrongly, she was trying to get | 0:45:22 | 0:45:26 | |
everybody to look at it from this point of view, | 0:45:26 | 0:45:29 | |
to say what she had to say. | 0:45:29 | 0:45:30 | |
It was the most candid Royal interview in 1,000 years. | 0:45:30 | 0:45:34 | |
Why do they see you as a threat? | 0:45:34 | 0:45:36 | |
I think every strong woman in history has had to | 0:45:38 | 0:45:40 | |
walk down a similar path, | 0:45:40 | 0:45:41 | |
and I think it's the strength that causes the confusion and the fear. | 0:45:41 | 0:45:45 | |
I think, probably, she did the Panorama interview | 0:45:47 | 0:45:49 | |
because she felt her... she'd run out of options | 0:45:49 | 0:45:54 | |
and she didn't know what else to do. | 0:45:54 | 0:45:57 | |
She certainly never asked for my advice on it | 0:45:57 | 0:46:00 | |
and, I don't think, any other family member. Her call. | 0:46:00 | 0:46:04 | |
And there was nothing more to be done. It was done. | 0:46:07 | 0:46:11 | |
The Princess of Wales interview tonight achieved | 0:46:11 | 0:46:13 | |
what might have seemed impossible. | 0:46:13 | 0:46:14 | |
It painted a picture of Royal life even more lurid | 0:46:14 | 0:46:17 | |
than that conjured up in the newspapers. | 0:46:17 | 0:46:19 | |
I think she's probably devastated the Royal family. Absolutely. | 0:46:19 | 0:46:22 | |
Simply because she's just stripped away the mystique, | 0:46:22 | 0:46:24 | |
and that's what they're based on. | 0:46:24 | 0:46:26 | |
I don't think she set out to challenge the Queen | 0:46:26 | 0:46:30 | |
or establishment, or whatever, but she ended up doing so. | 0:46:30 | 0:46:34 | |
In today's phone poll, nearly 70,000 of you voted. | 0:46:34 | 0:46:37 | |
-ON PHONE: -People keep on accusing her of being manipulative | 0:46:50 | 0:46:52 | |
but she was going to tell people what was happening, | 0:46:52 | 0:46:55 | |
and that's why the British people are supporting her now. | 0:46:55 | 0:46:58 | |
We can see she was badly treated | 0:46:58 | 0:46:59 | |
and we want to show the Royal family | 0:46:59 | 0:47:01 | |
that they just can't sweep her under the carpet. | 0:47:01 | 0:47:04 | |
I think it brought back, for a lot of people, the whole, | 0:47:05 | 0:47:09 | |
"Are you with Charles or are you with Diana?" | 0:47:09 | 0:47:12 | |
And...it goes without saying that, an awful lot of those people | 0:47:12 | 0:47:16 | |
who turned out on the streets, they were with Diana. | 0:47:16 | 0:47:20 | |
I could feel this situation building | 0:47:22 | 0:47:24 | |
and I remember going out on the Wednesday | 0:47:24 | 0:47:28 | |
and asking for the unity of the country behind the monarchy. | 0:47:28 | 0:47:32 | |
Because I thought it was very important that people | 0:47:32 | 0:47:34 | |
understood that they weren't standing apart from this | 0:47:34 | 0:47:38 | |
because they didn't care, | 0:47:38 | 0:47:39 | |
but because they were genuinely trying to protect | 0:47:39 | 0:47:42 | |
their children in a situation of great personal grief for them. | 0:47:42 | 0:47:47 | |
We want it to be something of which Princess Diana would've been proud | 0:47:47 | 0:47:50 | |
and, as I say, I know that those are very strongly | 0:47:50 | 0:47:54 | |
the views of the Royal family as well. Thank you. | 0:47:54 | 0:47:58 | |
But the fact that I was speaking and they weren't speaking | 0:47:58 | 0:48:02 | |
was itself an indication that things were out of alignment. | 0:48:02 | 0:48:07 | |
Journalist that I would describe, and editors that I would describe | 0:48:12 | 0:48:15 | |
as sympathetic to the Royal family | 0:48:15 | 0:48:17 | |
were phoning and saying, "This is... This is getting quite ugly." | 0:48:17 | 0:48:23 | |
But, also, I felt it on that walk up and down The Mall | 0:48:26 | 0:48:29 | |
several times a day. You felt it. You felt it. | 0:48:29 | 0:48:32 | |
If you've got any instinct, you felt it. | 0:48:32 | 0:48:34 | |
I worked my socks off for two-and-a-half days, | 0:48:39 | 0:48:42 | |
and I think it was the Wednesday evening, my partner | 0:48:42 | 0:48:47 | |
and I went down to The Mall... | 0:48:47 | 0:48:50 | |
..and it was extraordinary. | 0:48:53 | 0:48:54 | |
We walked down Constitution Hill and it was a summer's evening, | 0:48:54 | 0:48:58 | |
it was hot, it was getting dark, | 0:48:58 | 0:49:01 | |
there were thousands of people | 0:49:01 | 0:49:04 | |
walking to the Palace and walking away from the Palace again. | 0:49:04 | 0:49:09 | |
Steamy evening, the birds were singing | 0:49:09 | 0:49:11 | |
and people were hardly talking. | 0:49:11 | 0:49:12 | |
It was a really strange atmosphere | 0:49:12 | 0:49:15 | |
and the Palace was dark, the Palace... | 0:49:15 | 0:49:17 | |
there were no lights on the Palace | 0:49:17 | 0:49:20 | |
and there was just this massive crowd | 0:49:20 | 0:49:24 | |
and this mountain of flowers, | 0:49:24 | 0:49:26 | |
and there was a sort of electricity like you get | 0:49:26 | 0:49:30 | |
in the start of an electric storm, | 0:49:30 | 0:49:33 | |
and I said to my partner, | 0:49:33 | 0:49:37 | |
"It would take just one spark, | 0:49:37 | 0:49:40 | |
"one person to stand up in front of those gates." | 0:49:40 | 0:49:45 | |
And that was very perilous for the monarchy. | 0:49:47 | 0:49:50 | |
The Palace, yesterday, I was told, took between 6,000-7,000 calls. | 0:49:57 | 0:50:01 | |
Now, when I asked how many of those calls were hostile, | 0:50:02 | 0:50:05 | |
they weren't able to give that information. | 0:50:05 | 0:50:07 | |
To use Prime Minister Blair's phrase, | 0:50:17 | 0:50:20 | |
she was the People's Princess | 0:50:20 | 0:50:22 | |
and that means that there was some possession of her | 0:50:22 | 0:50:26 | |
amongst the people, and they had lost that, | 0:50:26 | 0:50:30 | |
and they wanted to express it in their various ways. | 0:50:30 | 0:50:33 | |
And if that meant, unfortunately, impugning other people, | 0:50:33 | 0:50:37 | |
that's what they did. | 0:50:37 | 0:50:38 | |
So I had a conversation with the Queen on the Thursday. | 0:50:41 | 0:50:45 | |
It was apparent right from the beginning of the conversation | 0:50:45 | 0:50:47 | |
that we were on exactly the same page, | 0:50:47 | 0:50:50 | |
in the sense that she understood that it was sensible for her | 0:50:50 | 0:50:53 | |
to demonstrate the closeness of her feelings | 0:50:53 | 0:50:56 | |
to those of the country, um, and so there wasn't really | 0:50:56 | 0:51:00 | |
a necessity of me to try and persuade her. | 0:51:00 | 0:51:02 | |
She was there already. | 0:51:02 | 0:51:05 | |
Suddenly, the private secretary, | 0:51:05 | 0:51:07 | |
who was up in Balmoral comes on and he says, | 0:51:07 | 0:51:10 | |
"OK, we've had a discussion up here, this is what's going to happen." | 0:51:10 | 0:51:14 | |
The Queen's coming back, Prince Philip's coming back, | 0:51:14 | 0:51:18 | |
they're going to do a walkabout here, they're going do a broadcast. | 0:51:18 | 0:51:21 | |
The boys are going to go here, duh-duh-duh... | 0:51:21 | 0:51:24 | |
And you sort of felt the tension lifting. You felt it straightaway. | 0:51:24 | 0:51:28 | |
And it was then that I heard Prince Philip's voice | 0:51:30 | 0:51:35 | |
booming out of this box in the middle of the table. | 0:51:35 | 0:51:37 | |
It was very painful for him, and for the Queen, I think, | 0:51:37 | 0:51:41 | |
to feel that their public that they had served so, you know, well | 0:51:41 | 0:51:47 | |
through all these years were also beginning to turn against them. | 0:51:47 | 0:51:51 | |
I think they were hurt, I think | 0:51:53 | 0:51:56 | |
they felt aggrieved and I think they eventually thought, | 0:51:56 | 0:52:01 | |
"Oh, well, we're hurt and aggrieved | 0:52:01 | 0:52:03 | |
"but we're going to have to do something." | 0:52:03 | 0:52:05 | |
The Queen will broadcast to the nation tomorrow, | 0:52:05 | 0:52:08 | |
returning to London a day earlier than planned. | 0:52:08 | 0:52:10 | |
And, in an unprecedented move, | 0:52:10 | 0:52:12 | |
the Union Jack will be flown at half-mast at Buckingham Palace | 0:52:12 | 0:52:16 | |
during Saturday's funeral. | 0:52:16 | 0:52:18 | |
We went to a service at Crathie Church, right next to Balmoral, | 0:52:23 | 0:52:26 | |
and there were quite a few flowers there | 0:52:26 | 0:52:28 | |
and there were a few people turned up. | 0:52:28 | 0:52:29 | |
I don't remember the service, but I sure remember coming back | 0:52:29 | 0:52:33 | |
in the car, stopping and getting out by the front gates at Balmoral. | 0:52:33 | 0:52:37 | |
I remember looking at the flowers and looking at the notes that | 0:52:42 | 0:52:45 | |
were left and I was very touched by it, but none of it sank in. | 0:52:45 | 0:52:48 | |
All I cared about was I'd lost my mother | 0:52:48 | 0:52:51 | |
and I didn't want to be where I was. | 0:52:51 | 0:52:53 | |
Looking back on it now, it was probably the last thing | 0:52:59 | 0:53:02 | |
I wanted to do was read what other people were saying about my mother. | 0:53:02 | 0:53:06 | |
Yes, it amazing, it was incredibly moving to know, | 0:53:06 | 0:53:08 | |
but at that point, I was still, you know, I wasn't there. | 0:53:08 | 0:53:12 | |
I was...I was still in shock. | 0:53:12 | 0:53:14 | |
I was wearing a tiny little, sort of, | 0:53:20 | 0:53:22 | |
strange blazer with a horrible tie, | 0:53:22 | 0:53:26 | |
and to read other people's outpouring of grief | 0:53:26 | 0:53:30 | |
was quite odd when...when you're in a position almost as though | 0:53:30 | 0:53:35 | |
people are expecting you to grieve in private, | 0:53:35 | 0:53:39 | |
and I'm thinking to myself, "Well, to whose benefit would that be?" | 0:53:39 | 0:53:43 | |
When we go out and do things like that, | 0:53:49 | 0:53:51 | |
um, in order not to completely and utterly break down, | 0:53:51 | 0:53:53 | |
you have to put on a bit of a game face and you have to be | 0:53:53 | 0:53:57 | |
quite strong about it because otherwise you're a walking mess. | 0:53:57 | 0:54:01 | |
And, so, Harry and I, at that age, you know, | 0:54:04 | 0:54:06 | |
already understood the duty family point. | 0:54:06 | 0:54:11 | |
You know, looking back on it, | 0:54:18 | 0:54:20 | |
I'm glad that I never cried in public, um... | 0:54:20 | 0:54:23 | |
because that was, you know, there was a fine line between work... | 0:54:23 | 0:54:28 | |
grieving while working and grieving in private. | 0:54:28 | 0:54:31 | |
Even if someone tried to get me to cry in public, I couldn't. | 0:54:36 | 0:54:40 | |
I probably still can't, um...and that's probably from all of that, | 0:54:40 | 0:54:44 | |
from whatever happened then, has changed me in that sense. | 0:54:44 | 0:54:47 | |
-NEWSREADER: -The service at Crathie Church brings to a close | 0:54:54 | 0:54:56 | |
a day of fast-moving changes in which Buckingham Palace has | 0:54:56 | 0:55:00 | |
repeatedly bowed to the wishes of the people. | 0:55:00 | 0:55:02 | |
The Queen and other members | 0:55:07 | 0:55:08 | |
of the Royal family have left | 0:55:08 | 0:55:10 | |
Balmoral at the start | 0:55:10 | 0:55:11 | |
of their journey back to London to | 0:55:11 | 0:55:12 | |
prepare for the funeral tomorrow of Diana, Princess of Wales. | 0:55:12 | 0:55:16 | |
The Queen will make a live address to the nation on radio | 0:55:16 | 0:55:19 | |
and television at six o'clock this evening. | 0:55:19 | 0:55:21 | |
Because of the intensity of the public emotion | 0:55:24 | 0:55:28 | |
and because of their sense of loss... | 0:55:28 | 0:55:30 | |
..the Queen simply coming out | 0:55:32 | 0:55:35 | |
and making a statement as a monarch, | 0:55:35 | 0:55:39 | |
in a way that the monarch | 0:55:39 | 0:55:41 | |
normally would do in normal circumstances, wasn't going to work. | 0:55:41 | 0:55:45 | |
For six days, the Royal family | 0:55:46 | 0:55:48 | |
had contained their grief within themselves. | 0:55:48 | 0:55:51 | |
Prince Philip managed a wave, but for the rest of the family, | 0:55:51 | 0:55:54 | |
silent preparation for what was to come. | 0:55:54 | 0:55:56 | |
They needed to see her vulnerable as a person | 0:55:56 | 0:55:59 | |
and not simply vulnerable as a monarch. | 0:55:59 | 0:56:00 | |
And I could feel that unless she was prepared to do that, | 0:56:00 | 0:56:05 | |
the healing that I thought was essential | 0:56:05 | 0:56:08 | |
was not really going to happen. | 0:56:08 | 0:56:09 | |
People wanted a sign that the state, | 0:56:21 | 0:56:25 | |
the monarchy felt genuinely moved. | 0:56:25 | 0:56:29 | |
They'd had the sign from the government, | 0:56:29 | 0:56:31 | |
they'd had it from Blair but they hadn't had it from the Royal family. | 0:56:31 | 0:56:36 | |
At 2:20pm this afternoon, the one basic thing | 0:56:42 | 0:56:45 | |
people in the crowds here had been calling for all week took place. | 0:56:45 | 0:56:49 | |
The Queen came back to Buckingham Palace. | 0:56:49 | 0:56:52 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:56:52 | 0:56:56 | |
When a tragedy occurs, the Royal family will seek, in a way, | 0:56:56 | 0:57:02 | |
to represent the wounds that a nation feels. | 0:57:02 | 0:57:05 | |
The Queen can do that because she is seen as being above political party. | 0:57:05 | 0:57:10 | |
They almost want her, in a grandmotherly kind of way, | 0:57:10 | 0:57:13 | |
to be the representative | 0:57:13 | 0:57:15 | |
of their hopes and their fears. | 0:57:15 | 0:57:18 | |
I think what happened here was | 0:57:23 | 0:57:26 | |
because the Royal family was behaving like a family | 0:57:26 | 0:57:30 | |
after the death of the Princess of Wales, | 0:57:30 | 0:57:33 | |
there was a little bit of time before they realised that | 0:57:33 | 0:57:37 | |
the nation also wanted them to represent their grief. | 0:57:37 | 0:57:40 | |
And that is what the Queen did when she came down to London | 0:57:41 | 0:57:46 | |
and was there at Buckingham Palace. | 0:57:46 | 0:57:48 | |
One of the most extraordinary moments for me was as the Queen | 0:57:51 | 0:57:56 | |
and Prince Philip did that little walkabout... | 0:57:56 | 0:57:58 | |
..you could feel the tension lifting. | 0:58:01 | 0:58:04 | |
You could feel it lifting. | 0:58:04 | 0:58:05 | |
It was strange, it was really strange. | 0:58:11 | 0:58:13 | |
It must've been one of the most difficult moments | 0:58:18 | 0:58:20 | |
of her entire reign, | 0:58:20 | 0:58:21 | |
but there wasn't the slightest opposition or criticism, | 0:58:21 | 0:58:25 | |
merely sympathy and support. | 0:58:25 | 0:58:27 | |
People they spoke to in the crowd afterwards said the Queen | 0:58:29 | 0:58:32 | |
sometimes had tears in her eyes. | 0:58:32 | 0:58:34 | |
One small girl offered her some flowers and the Queen asked | 0:58:35 | 0:58:38 | |
if they were really for her. | 0:58:38 | 0:58:40 | |
When the girl's grandmother said they thought SHE needed some, | 0:58:40 | 0:58:42 | |
her eyes filled with tears. | 0:58:42 | 0:58:44 | |
She relented, and it can't have been easy. | 0:58:49 | 0:58:51 | |
I was surprised, um, but having said that, I was pleased, | 0:58:52 | 0:58:57 | |
because something had to be done to diffuse what was becoming | 0:58:57 | 0:59:00 | |
a very ugly situation. | 0:59:00 | 0:59:03 | |
Ma'am, take care of the boys. | 0:59:03 | 0:59:04 | |
-That's what we've been doing. -I know you have. | 0:59:04 | 0:59:07 | |
Well, I think all the people have been coming here every day, | 0:59:07 | 0:59:10 | |
particularly hoping that she would return. | 0:59:10 | 0:59:13 | |
And I think now, judging by the people who were around me | 0:59:16 | 0:59:19 | |
and their comments, we're pleased she's back and we feel better now. | 0:59:19 | 0:59:24 | |
The monarchy found itself | 0:59:26 | 0:59:28 | |
in the most difficult position | 0:59:28 | 0:59:30 | |
between tradition and being condemned, | 0:59:30 | 0:59:35 | |
or trying to be a bit more modern | 0:59:35 | 0:59:40 | |
and show their emotions, like Tony Blair, | 0:59:40 | 0:59:44 | |
and lower the flag and come down to London early, | 0:59:44 | 0:59:48 | |
and... they chose the latter course. | 0:59:48 | 0:59:54 | |
Diana burst through the monarchy like a sort of blazing comet | 0:59:58 | 1:00:02 | |
and, of course, a comet has a tail, and so it's impossible | 1:00:02 | 1:00:07 | |
that they could be the same after she'd passed through. | 1:00:07 | 1:00:09 | |
I think one of the reasons she was such a powerful influence | 1:00:12 | 1:00:16 | |
and people really felt they knew her was that she was very much herself. | 1:00:16 | 1:00:21 | |
She showed herself. So she showed both her great strength | 1:00:21 | 1:00:25 | |
and creativity, but also she showed her vulnerability. | 1:00:25 | 1:00:29 | |
She very much put down that mask of a public figure. | 1:00:29 | 1:00:33 | |
She had such warmth. | 1:00:34 | 1:00:36 | |
I think she wanted to make people feel special. | 1:00:36 | 1:00:39 | |
She realised that she was in a unique position and that | 1:00:39 | 1:00:41 | |
if she could make people smile and feel better about themselves, | 1:00:41 | 1:00:44 | |
then her job for that day was done. | 1:00:44 | 1:00:47 | |
Thank you very much. Wonderful jacket! | 1:00:47 | 1:00:50 | |
That combination of wanting to make a difference | 1:00:50 | 1:00:52 | |
and being emotionally courageous powered her. | 1:00:52 | 1:00:56 | |
Shaking the hands of that man without gloves, | 1:00:56 | 1:00:59 | |
it was a game-changer in our attitude to AIDS. | 1:00:59 | 1:01:02 | |
How could you not be moved if you were a gay man? | 1:01:04 | 1:01:07 | |
If, like me, my partner Guy had just been diagnosed, | 1:01:07 | 1:01:13 | |
how could you not think that this woman | 1:01:13 | 1:01:17 | |
was doing something for you personally? | 1:01:17 | 1:01:20 | |
The best lesson that I learned from her is be yourself. | 1:01:22 | 1:01:25 | |
Be yourself in everything that you do and just give as much as you can. | 1:01:25 | 1:01:30 | |
The Prince of Wales and his two sons arrive to meet the crowds | 1:01:42 | 1:01:46 | |
at Kensington Palace, their home | 1:01:46 | 1:01:48 | |
until the break-up of the Prince's marriage in 1992. | 1:01:48 | 1:01:51 | |
When we came back down here | 1:01:53 | 1:01:54 | |
and there was what seemed like more than 100,000 | 1:01:54 | 1:01:59 | |
bunches of flowers just scattered from the gates of Kensington Palace | 1:01:59 | 1:02:03 | |
all the way down to Kensington High Street... | 1:02:03 | 1:02:05 | |
What was very peculiar but obviously incredibly touching | 1:02:17 | 1:02:23 | |
was everybody crying. | 1:02:23 | 1:02:25 | |
I mean, the wailing and the crying was going on, | 1:02:25 | 1:02:28 | |
people wanted to touch us and everything, it was... | 1:02:28 | 1:02:30 | |
Again, I was 15 and Harry was 12. | 1:02:30 | 1:02:32 | |
Thank you so much. Thank you. | 1:02:34 | 1:02:36 | |
It was like nothing you could really describe. It was very unusual. | 1:02:36 | 1:02:39 | |
The way that people were grabbing us and, you know, | 1:02:42 | 1:02:44 | |
pulling into their arms and stuff, it's... | 1:02:44 | 1:02:47 | |
I don't blame anybody for that, of course I don't, | 1:02:47 | 1:02:49 | |
but it was those moments that were sort of, I don't know, | 1:02:49 | 1:02:53 | |
they were quite shocking. | 1:02:53 | 1:02:55 | |
People wanted to grab us, you know, to touch us, to hold us. | 1:03:04 | 1:03:08 | |
They were shouting, wailing, literally wailing at us, | 1:03:08 | 1:03:12 | |
throwing flowers and yelling and sobbing, breaking down. | 1:03:12 | 1:03:16 | |
People fainted, collapsed. | 1:03:16 | 1:03:17 | |
I remember people screaming, I remember people crying, | 1:03:20 | 1:03:22 | |
I remember people's hands that were wet because of the tears | 1:03:22 | 1:03:26 | |
that they'd just wiped away from their face before shaking my hand. | 1:03:26 | 1:03:29 | |
It was almost as though some people were crying so much, hoping... | 1:03:29 | 1:03:34 | |
I think it was so unusual for people to see young boys like that | 1:03:34 | 1:03:39 | |
not crying when everybody else was crying. | 1:03:39 | 1:03:41 | |
What we were doing and what was being asked of us | 1:03:44 | 1:03:47 | |
was verging on normal then, | 1:03:47 | 1:03:49 | |
but now it's like, you did what? | 1:03:49 | 1:03:52 | |
Looking at us then, we must have been in just this state of shock. | 1:03:56 | 1:04:00 | |
You know, we didn't really talk about it that much. | 1:04:05 | 1:04:08 | |
It was kind of like... | 1:04:08 | 1:04:10 | |
It was, "Right, here we go again," | 1:04:10 | 1:04:12 | |
but coming back in behind closed doors, | 1:04:12 | 1:04:13 | |
I think there was just a lot of hunkering down going on, | 1:04:13 | 1:04:16 | |
a lot of just trying to survive and get through it. | 1:04:16 | 1:04:18 | |
Even now, I feel what they went through is beyond understanding. | 1:04:21 | 1:04:25 | |
I think the demands put on those two young boys | 1:04:25 | 1:04:29 | |
was just extraordinary. | 1:04:29 | 1:04:30 | |
And that is by us, the public, | 1:04:30 | 1:04:33 | |
filtered through, obviously, the media. | 1:04:33 | 1:04:36 | |
So, you know, I think we all have quite a lot to answer for | 1:04:36 | 1:04:40 | |
over that because we like to see them, we like to... | 1:04:40 | 1:04:45 | |
And we buy the newspapers to see them. | 1:04:45 | 1:04:48 | |
I don't know who took the decision, | 1:04:53 | 1:04:55 | |
but the Queen then did something unprecedented - | 1:04:55 | 1:04:57 | |
she made a live speech to the nation. | 1:04:57 | 1:05:01 | |
Even for a woman of her experience, and used to addressing the nation | 1:05:05 | 1:05:10 | |
and the Commonwealth once a year, there's a difference doing it live. | 1:05:10 | 1:05:14 | |
We had a brief conversation about this that it was | 1:05:18 | 1:05:21 | |
really important that this was a moment where she was able to bring | 1:05:21 | 1:05:24 | |
the nation behind her in a way that only she could do personally. | 1:05:24 | 1:05:28 | |
You know, Princess Diana died in 1997, these were modern times, | 1:05:29 | 1:05:34 | |
we were approaching the 21st century, | 1:05:34 | 1:05:36 | |
and for the people of the country, including particularly | 1:05:36 | 1:05:41 | |
maybe the younger generations coming up, | 1:05:41 | 1:05:44 | |
the old deference towards the monarchy wasn't enough | 1:05:44 | 1:05:47 | |
and in some cases wasn't there, | 1:05:47 | 1:05:49 | |
so this respect had to be renewed in a new way. | 1:05:49 | 1:05:54 | |
This is BBC One. | 1:05:59 | 1:06:01 | |
Now we go live to Buckingham Palace for a tribute from | 1:06:01 | 1:06:04 | |
Her Majesty the Queen. | 1:06:04 | 1:06:06 | |
Since last Sunday's dreadful news, | 1:06:08 | 1:06:10 | |
we have seen throughout Britain and around the world | 1:06:10 | 1:06:14 | |
an overwhelming expression of sadness at Diana's death. | 1:06:14 | 1:06:18 | |
That's as high as it goes. | 1:06:18 | 1:06:20 | |
We have all been trying in our different ways to cope. | 1:06:20 | 1:06:22 | |
Shhh! | 1:06:22 | 1:06:23 | |
It is not easy to express the sense of loss, | 1:06:23 | 1:06:26 | |
since the initial shock is often succeeded | 1:06:26 | 1:06:29 | |
by a mixture of other feelings - | 1:06:29 | 1:06:31 | |
disbelief, incomprehension, anger, | 1:06:31 | 1:06:35 | |
and concern for those who remain. | 1:06:35 | 1:06:37 | |
We have all felt those emotions in these last few days. | 1:06:39 | 1:06:42 | |
One of the private secretaries asked me | 1:06:42 | 1:06:45 | |
if I thought it was personal enough. | 1:06:45 | 1:06:47 | |
I did just make the suggestion that what it doesn't do is reflect | 1:06:47 | 1:06:51 | |
the fact... Yes, it was very nice about Diana | 1:06:51 | 1:06:53 | |
and so forth, but I think it would be helpful | 1:06:53 | 1:06:55 | |
if she just reminded people that she is a grandmother | 1:06:55 | 1:07:00 | |
and two of her grandsons have just lost their mother. | 1:07:00 | 1:07:04 | |
So, what I say to you now, as your Queen and as a grandmother, | 1:07:04 | 1:07:08 | |
I say from my heart. | 1:07:08 | 1:07:10 | |
First, I want to pay tribute to Diana myself. | 1:07:11 | 1:07:15 | |
She was an exceptional and gifted human being. | 1:07:15 | 1:07:18 | |
In good times and bad, | 1:07:19 | 1:07:21 | |
she never lost her capacity to smile and laugh, | 1:07:21 | 1:07:25 | |
nor to inspire others with her warmth and kindness. | 1:07:25 | 1:07:28 | |
I admired and respected her for her energy and commitment to others, | 1:07:30 | 1:07:34 | |
and especially for her devotion to her two boys. | 1:07:34 | 1:07:38 | |
I for one believe there are lessons to be drawn from her life | 1:07:40 | 1:07:44 | |
and from the extraordinary and moving reaction to her death. | 1:07:44 | 1:07:48 | |
May those who died rest in peace | 1:07:48 | 1:07:51 | |
and may we, each and every one of us, | 1:07:51 | 1:07:54 | |
thank God for someone who made many, many people happy. | 1:07:54 | 1:07:58 | |
That was a live tribute from Her Majesty the Queen. | 1:08:00 | 1:08:04 | |
APPLAUSE | 1:08:04 | 1:08:07 | |
She sounded very sincere and she looked as though | 1:08:07 | 1:08:09 | |
she was very moved, and I think that will satisfy everyone. | 1:08:09 | 1:08:13 | |
Earlier in the week she was being a grandmother to her own children, | 1:08:13 | 1:08:17 | |
but what people wanted was for her really | 1:08:17 | 1:08:19 | |
to be a grandmother to them too, | 1:08:19 | 1:08:21 | |
but it took a little bit of time to move from one to the other. | 1:08:21 | 1:08:24 | |
Preparations are continuing for | 1:08:27 | 1:08:28 | |
tomorrow's funeral at Westminster Abbey. | 1:08:28 | 1:08:30 | |
Millions of people are expected to converge on the capital | 1:08:30 | 1:08:33 | |
with hundreds already preparing to spend tonight outside the Abbey, | 1:08:33 | 1:08:37 | |
some for the second night in a row. | 1:08:37 | 1:08:38 | |
Coach companies are reporting thousands of bookings | 1:08:42 | 1:08:45 | |
and again hundreds of special services have been arranged. | 1:08:45 | 1:08:48 | |
This evening, shops and businesses across the country have closed | 1:08:50 | 1:08:54 | |
and won't reopen in the morning as a mark of respect | 1:08:54 | 1:08:57 | |
for the Princess of Wales. | 1:08:57 | 1:08:58 | |
It's something weird and strange that's happening. | 1:09:09 | 1:09:13 | |
It's the first time in history the whole planet, | 1:09:13 | 1:09:16 | |
from every country all over the world, the whole planet, | 1:09:16 | 1:09:18 | |
has joined together in grieving for one person. | 1:09:18 | 1:09:23 | |
And it's socially acceptable for men to cry. | 1:09:23 | 1:09:28 | |
I've cried about this, and it's partly for Diana | 1:09:28 | 1:09:32 | |
and it's, in a way it's for ourselves, you know. | 1:09:32 | 1:09:36 | |
Without any disrespect, it's like going to the movies. | 1:09:36 | 1:09:39 | |
This is Diana, something we're allowed to cry about. It's... | 1:09:39 | 1:09:43 | |
We're allowed to touch on our emotions through her. | 1:09:43 | 1:09:46 | |
We were compelled, my wife Chica and I, to go to London. | 1:09:51 | 1:09:55 | |
We were watching the television, I think, at home, and we thought, | 1:09:55 | 1:09:58 | |
"No, this is just... | 1:09:58 | 1:10:00 | |
"We don't want to be here, we need to be... | 1:10:00 | 1:10:02 | |
"We need to see this." | 1:10:02 | 1:10:03 | |
And that was the night that her coffin was moved from | 1:10:08 | 1:10:11 | |
one place to another and... | 1:10:11 | 1:10:13 | |
There in the streets, you know, they were 20 deep. | 1:10:14 | 1:10:17 | |
I'm six foot six, so I could sort of see what was going on. | 1:10:19 | 1:10:24 | |
The body of a Princess so loved by her people | 1:10:27 | 1:10:29 | |
leaving the sanctuary of the Chapel Royal in St James's Palace | 1:10:29 | 1:10:33 | |
on its way to rest one last night in Kensington Palace. | 1:10:33 | 1:10:37 | |
The coffin was taken, you know, went past, | 1:10:40 | 1:10:44 | |
and this wasn't even her funeral. | 1:10:44 | 1:10:46 | |
Extraordinarily sad. | 1:10:46 | 1:10:48 | |
I mean, sad because there were thousands and thousands of people | 1:10:48 | 1:10:52 | |
who were also very sad... | 1:10:52 | 1:10:54 | |
..but that's, you know, that's your friend. | 1:10:56 | 1:11:00 | |
On either side, just some of the millions who mourn. | 1:11:05 | 1:11:08 | |
So many people, so silent. | 1:11:12 | 1:11:14 | |
So sad. | 1:11:19 | 1:11:20 | |
So, it was... | 1:11:32 | 1:11:34 | |
It was a very, very, very odd time. | 1:11:34 | 1:11:37 | |
And seeing other people so sad, | 1:11:39 | 1:11:41 | |
I didn't see it as odd, I didn't think of it as odd, | 1:11:41 | 1:11:44 | |
I don't think any of us who knew her did, | 1:11:44 | 1:11:47 | |
perhaps, other than how amazing... | 1:11:47 | 1:11:49 | |
..utterly extraordinary that everyone thinks... | 1:11:51 | 1:11:55 | |
everyone's feeling the same thing. | 1:11:55 | 1:11:57 | |
And then, I suppose, with hindsight you look back on it and you think, | 1:11:59 | 1:12:02 | |
"Well, everybody did feel they knew Diana." | 1:12:02 | 1:12:06 | |
Is she talking now? Because they've got the light on her. | 1:12:23 | 1:12:27 | |
It's quite a busy scene this morning. | 1:12:28 | 1:12:30 | |
About half an hour ago, really, when we got the first light, | 1:12:30 | 1:12:33 | |
there were still lots of people curled up in their sleeping bags | 1:12:33 | 1:12:36 | |
and just getting up, but now, | 1:12:36 | 1:12:38 | |
pretty well everybody is claiming their place. | 1:12:38 | 1:12:40 | |
Flowers are still coming in, it's quite extraordinary. | 1:12:40 | 1:12:43 | |
An enormous number of people with bunches of flowers | 1:12:43 | 1:12:45 | |
in their hands this morning. | 1:12:45 | 1:12:47 | |
We saw images of people outside the Palace, | 1:13:14 | 1:13:17 | |
we saw images of the flowers growing. | 1:13:17 | 1:13:20 | |
Even for those that didn't feel that connection, they thought... | 1:13:22 | 1:13:25 | |
There was almost a sense of, "I'm missing out on something here. | 1:13:25 | 1:13:28 | |
"The rest of the nation is experiencing it in this way | 1:13:28 | 1:13:32 | |
"and I'm not. I think I need to go and be there and be part of that." | 1:13:32 | 1:13:36 | |
That's big Harrods over there, isn't it? | 1:13:36 | 1:13:39 | |
-With the big dome on top, yeah? -Yeah. | 1:13:39 | 1:13:41 | |
There's loads of people outside there, isn't there? | 1:13:41 | 1:13:44 | |
Lots of flowers. | 1:13:44 | 1:13:46 | |
-Where's the flowers, then? -See them outside there? | 1:13:46 | 1:13:48 | |
All outside over there. | 1:13:48 | 1:13:50 | |
She just seen me and said, "Hello, Colin," | 1:14:05 | 1:14:07 | |
and then she came back later and did a walkabout. | 1:14:07 | 1:14:09 | |
That was the night before, | 1:14:09 | 1:14:11 | |
evening before her dresses exhibition opened at Christie's. | 1:14:11 | 1:14:14 | |
-First week of June. -She had a lovely dress. | 1:14:14 | 1:14:17 | |
The reason people were there was partly because they wanted | 1:14:19 | 1:14:23 | |
to see a spectacle, but overwhelmingly, I think, | 1:14:23 | 1:14:27 | |
because they wanted to be there, | 1:14:27 | 1:14:29 | |
to recognise her and to recognise not only her life | 1:14:29 | 1:14:35 | |
but her potential, which had now gone. | 1:14:35 | 1:14:38 | |
Well, I think she saw her role | 1:14:45 | 1:14:47 | |
within the Royal family disappearing. | 1:14:47 | 1:14:49 | |
It was all she really knew. | 1:14:49 | 1:14:51 | |
She was aware of her influence, | 1:14:52 | 1:14:57 | |
and, I think, rather bravely, | 1:14:57 | 1:15:00 | |
she decided to carry on | 1:15:00 | 1:15:05 | |
with what she knew and knew she did well. | 1:15:05 | 1:15:09 | |
Her personal life was becoming more and more complicated. | 1:15:12 | 1:15:17 | |
I think she saw her public life | 1:15:19 | 1:15:22 | |
needed to be more positive | 1:15:22 | 1:15:25 | |
and that she was achieving something in that. | 1:15:25 | 1:15:29 | |
The last month of Diana's life, August 1997, | 1:15:32 | 1:15:36 | |
was absolutely extraordinary. | 1:15:36 | 1:15:39 | |
We had a nonstop switchback | 1:15:39 | 1:15:43 | |
of scenes, pictures, events. | 1:15:43 | 1:15:46 | |
On land mine duty in Africa | 1:15:46 | 1:15:48 | |
and then suddenly she was on a yacht in the South of France, | 1:15:48 | 1:15:52 | |
and she was landing in a helicopter in the garden of an astrologer | 1:15:52 | 1:15:56 | |
in the Midlands for a consultation. | 1:15:56 | 1:15:59 | |
Then she was with Mother Teresa | 1:15:59 | 1:16:01 | |
and then she was back on the yacht again | 1:16:01 | 1:16:04 | |
and then she was in Paris with Dodi, | 1:16:04 | 1:16:06 | |
and this whole kaleidoscope was moving faster and faster and faster. | 1:16:06 | 1:16:10 | |
It was this desire for understanding, | 1:16:11 | 1:16:15 | |
for a certain type of adoration from the press, | 1:16:15 | 1:16:19 | |
the public, you know, | 1:16:19 | 1:16:20 | |
that she was doing a good job, | 1:16:20 | 1:16:23 | |
she was doing a worthwhile job. | 1:16:23 | 1:16:25 | |
That became paramount. It always concerned me. | 1:16:25 | 1:16:29 | |
You know, you're giving of yourself all the time, | 1:16:29 | 1:16:32 | |
but what are you... what are you getting back? | 1:16:32 | 1:16:35 | |
In her position, I think it was very lonely. | 1:16:40 | 1:16:43 | |
In many ways it sort of was like a deafening silence, | 1:16:43 | 1:16:47 | |
being in Kensington Palace, I think. Other than her children, | 1:16:47 | 1:16:50 | |
which, you know, she was around her children, fine, | 1:16:50 | 1:16:53 | |
but if the children were at school... | 1:16:53 | 1:16:54 | |
I think it is isolating, quite lonely when you're on your own. | 1:16:56 | 1:16:59 | |
You know, particularly after she got divorced, I think, | 1:16:59 | 1:17:02 | |
you know, life sort of closes down on you a bit. | 1:17:02 | 1:17:05 | |
You sort of... | 1:17:05 | 1:17:07 | |
You lose some of your support, you lose some of your confidence. | 1:17:07 | 1:17:11 | |
It's a sad thought to think she might not have been happy. | 1:17:12 | 1:17:15 | |
I think she was happy within herself | 1:17:15 | 1:17:17 | |
but there was this elusive part of her | 1:17:17 | 1:17:20 | |
that happiness was slightly out of her reach, for some reason. | 1:17:20 | 1:17:24 | |
I think she was so many different people | 1:17:28 | 1:17:32 | |
all wrapped up in this one person, this one figure. | 1:17:32 | 1:17:37 | |
I don't think she probably knew herself | 1:17:37 | 1:17:41 | |
what she wanted, really. | 1:17:41 | 1:17:44 | |
Very complex, very complicated. | 1:17:44 | 1:17:47 | |
But an extraordinary phenomenon. | 1:17:49 | 1:17:52 | |
The gates to Kensington Palace, | 1:18:00 | 1:18:03 | |
waiting for the Princess to emerge. | 1:18:03 | 1:18:06 | |
Diana! | 1:18:08 | 1:18:09 | |
CRYING AND WAILING IN CROWD | 1:18:17 | 1:18:19 | |
It wasn't going to be a state funeral | 1:18:32 | 1:18:34 | |
in the way that there had been previous state funerals, | 1:18:34 | 1:18:37 | |
because she was this young, modern, glamorous, | 1:18:37 | 1:18:42 | |
fantastically famous woman | 1:18:42 | 1:18:45 | |
and the entire world would be watching this. | 1:18:45 | 1:18:49 | |
It had to be really traditional and proper. | 1:18:49 | 1:18:52 | |
But there had to be some acknowledgement | 1:18:52 | 1:18:55 | |
that she was different from other royals that had died. | 1:18:55 | 1:19:01 | |
And here are some of the many hundreds of people | 1:19:05 | 1:19:09 | |
from the charities that the Princess supported. | 1:19:09 | 1:19:12 | |
She was the People's Princess. | 1:19:18 | 1:19:20 | |
She was really involved with all these charities. | 1:19:20 | 1:19:23 | |
They were all involved in it. | 1:19:23 | 1:19:25 | |
She was really familiar with Elton John and all these celebrities. | 1:19:25 | 1:19:31 | |
So they were going to have to be involved in some way. | 1:19:31 | 1:19:34 | |
The Royal Standard over the coffin with three wreaths of lilies, | 1:19:40 | 1:19:47 | |
from her brother and her two sons, on top. | 1:19:47 | 1:19:49 | |
Nick, we've not yet seen any sign of the Princes. | 1:19:52 | 1:19:55 | |
There was the great discussion about whether the boys | 1:20:00 | 1:20:03 | |
should follow behind. | 1:20:03 | 1:20:06 | |
I do remember making a sort of intervention on that. | 1:20:06 | 1:20:09 | |
I remember feeling quite emotional about it, cos I just thought, | 1:20:09 | 1:20:13 | |
"How can he, 12, you know, walk behind his mother's coffin?" | 1:20:13 | 1:20:18 | |
Look at them standing there in front of the gate of Buckingham Palace, | 1:20:20 | 1:20:25 | |
a sight that no-one has seen before, because it hasn't happened before. | 1:20:25 | 1:20:30 | |
I think there was doubt right to the final day as to whether the boys | 1:20:30 | 1:20:34 | |
would feel able to do it, up to do it, whether they should do it. | 1:20:34 | 1:20:39 | |
The Prince of Wales. | 1:20:42 | 1:20:43 | |
Behind him Prince William, Prince Harry, | 1:20:45 | 1:20:48 | |
walking down towards The Mall. | 1:20:48 | 1:20:50 | |
So it does look as though they will join in the procession. | 1:20:50 | 1:20:56 | |
It wasn't an easy decision | 1:20:59 | 1:21:01 | |
and it was a sort of collective family decision to do that. | 1:21:01 | 1:21:06 | |
It was one of the hardest things I've ever done, | 1:21:06 | 1:21:08 | |
but we were overwhelmed by how many people turned out. | 1:21:08 | 1:21:13 | |
I mean, it was just incredible. | 1:21:13 | 1:21:15 | |
There is that balance between duty and family. | 1:21:15 | 1:21:18 | |
That's what we had to do. | 1:21:18 | 1:21:20 | |
It was only when I saw it on television on the Saturday | 1:21:25 | 1:21:29 | |
when they appeared. I literally went... | 1:21:29 | 1:21:31 | |
SHE GASPS | 1:21:31 | 1:21:32 | |
My God, you know, they've done it. | 1:21:32 | 1:21:34 | |
I just found it astonishing and so moving. | 1:21:34 | 1:21:37 | |
SOBBING | 1:21:41 | 1:21:44 | |
I think it was a group decision, but before I knew it, | 1:21:46 | 1:21:50 | |
I found myself with a suit on and with a black tie | 1:21:50 | 1:21:53 | |
and a white shirt, I think, and I was part of it. | 1:21:53 | 1:21:57 | |
Genuinely, I don't have an opinion on whether that was right or wrong. | 1:21:58 | 1:22:01 | |
I'm glad I was part of it. | 1:22:01 | 1:22:03 | |
Looking back on it now, I'm very glad I was part of it. | 1:22:03 | 1:22:07 | |
I think that was the hardest thing, is that walk. | 1:22:11 | 1:22:14 | |
It was a very long, lonely walk. | 1:22:14 | 1:22:16 | |
But, again, sort of the balance between me being Prince William | 1:22:16 | 1:22:20 | |
and having to do my bit | 1:22:20 | 1:22:22 | |
versus the private William who just wanted to go into a room and cry, | 1:22:22 | 1:22:26 | |
who'd lost his mother. | 1:22:26 | 1:22:27 | |
I just remember hiding behind my fringe, basically. | 1:22:32 | 1:22:35 | |
At the time, I had a lot of hair. | 1:22:35 | 1:22:36 | |
My head's down a lot because I'm hiding behind my fringe. | 1:22:36 | 1:22:39 | |
It was kind of like a little tiny bit of safety blanket, if you like. | 1:22:39 | 1:22:43 | |
I know it sounds ridiculous, but at the time, | 1:22:43 | 1:22:45 | |
I felt if I looked at the floor and my hair came down over my face, | 1:22:45 | 1:22:48 | |
no-one could see me. | 1:22:48 | 1:22:50 | |
At the time, it was important for me to get through the day. | 1:22:50 | 1:22:53 | |
Hearing people screaming in the crowds, | 1:22:58 | 1:23:01 | |
I think the broadcast news even today still talks about the silence. | 1:23:01 | 1:23:06 | |
Of course, there was a huge amount of silence. | 1:23:06 | 1:23:08 | |
But what I remember is every 50 yards or whatever, | 1:23:08 | 1:23:13 | |
certain people in the crowd just unable to contain their emotion. | 1:23:13 | 1:23:18 | |
Diana! | 1:23:19 | 1:23:21 | |
I was... That was a big thing. | 1:23:21 | 1:23:23 | |
SOBBING | 1:23:25 | 1:23:27 | |
Very alien environment. | 1:23:27 | 1:23:29 | |
I couldn't understand why everyone wanted to, | 1:23:29 | 1:23:32 | |
you know, cry as loud as they did | 1:23:32 | 1:23:35 | |
and show such emotion as they did | 1:23:35 | 1:23:38 | |
when they didn't really know our mother. | 1:23:38 | 1:23:40 | |
I felt... I did feel a bit protective at times about that. | 1:23:40 | 1:23:43 | |
I was like, "Well, you didn't even know her. | 1:23:43 | 1:23:45 | |
"Why and how are you so upset?" | 1:23:45 | 1:23:48 | |
But now, looking back, over the last few years, | 1:23:51 | 1:23:53 | |
I've learnt to understand what it was that she gave the world, | 1:23:53 | 1:23:57 | |
what she gave a lot of people. | 1:23:57 | 1:23:59 | |
Back in the '90s, there weren't many other public figures doing | 1:23:59 | 1:24:03 | |
what she did, and so she was this ray of light in a fairly grey world. | 1:24:03 | 1:24:08 | |
To this day, I still can't remember how I was thinking. | 1:24:14 | 1:24:17 | |
I was just, like, so focused on getting it done | 1:24:17 | 1:24:20 | |
and doing everything that was asked of me there and then | 1:24:20 | 1:24:22 | |
and making sure that I did my mother proud. | 1:24:22 | 1:24:24 | |
Both our parents had brought us up to understand that as best we can, | 1:24:27 | 1:24:32 | |
that there is this element of duty and responsibility that, you know, | 1:24:32 | 1:24:35 | |
you have to do things you don't want to do. | 1:24:35 | 1:24:37 | |
But, I have to say, when it becomes that personal - | 1:24:37 | 1:24:40 | |
walking behind your mother's funeral cortege - | 1:24:40 | 1:24:43 | |
it goes to another level of duty. | 1:24:43 | 1:24:47 | |
But, you know, I just kept thinking about what she would want. | 1:24:47 | 1:24:52 | |
She'd be proud of Harry and I being able to go through it. | 1:24:52 | 1:24:57 | |
Effectively, she was there with us. | 1:24:57 | 1:24:59 | |
I felt like she was almost walking along beside us to get us through. | 1:24:59 | 1:25:02 | |
The Queen now leaving Buckingham Palace | 1:25:06 | 1:25:11 | |
on her way to Westminster Abbey. | 1:25:11 | 1:25:15 | |
Uniquely, now the Union flag will be flown at half-mast | 1:25:15 | 1:25:20 | |
from the Palace staff. | 1:25:20 | 1:25:23 | |
RIPPLING APPLAUSE | 1:25:23 | 1:25:25 | |
We're crossing to the Abbey, | 1:25:35 | 1:25:37 | |
where members of the Spencer family are arriving. | 1:25:37 | 1:25:40 | |
Lady Sarah on the right, | 1:25:40 | 1:25:42 | |
with whom the Princess had a particularly close relationship. | 1:25:42 | 1:25:46 | |
BELL TOLLS | 1:25:46 | 1:25:48 | |
APPLAUSE | 1:25:50 | 1:25:52 | |
I knew that the coffin was lead-lined. | 1:26:01 | 1:26:04 | |
And I think a lot of people were surprised by how apparently unfit | 1:26:04 | 1:26:10 | |
the soldiers of her regiment, who carried the coffin, looked, | 1:26:10 | 1:26:14 | |
but they were carrying a serious amount of weight. | 1:26:14 | 1:26:16 | |
Then the rest of it is just a bit of a blur, really. | 1:26:22 | 1:26:26 | |
ORGAN PLAYS | 1:26:26 | 1:26:28 | |
MUSIC: God Save The Queen | 1:26:32 | 1:26:36 | |
# God save the Queen... # | 1:26:43 | 1:26:48 | |
The funeral service, | 1:26:48 | 1:26:49 | |
which was very beautiful in that extraordinarily moving | 1:26:49 | 1:26:52 | |
and beautiful Abbey, | 1:26:52 | 1:26:55 | |
and the sound of the guards' steel tips on their shoes | 1:26:55 | 1:27:03 | |
clacking on the tiles of the nave | 1:27:03 | 1:27:08 | |
as they carried the Princess down the aisle, | 1:27:08 | 1:27:15 | |
was ex... It was so moving. | 1:27:15 | 1:27:19 | |
Absolutely extraordinary. | 1:27:19 | 1:27:21 | |
Lady Sarah McCorquodale, Diana's elder sister, | 1:27:21 | 1:27:24 | |
reads from Turn Again To Life. | 1:27:24 | 1:27:26 | |
I was sick with fear, | 1:27:26 | 1:27:30 | |
because some kind person had told me | 1:27:30 | 1:27:32 | |
there were 23 million people watching on television. | 1:27:32 | 1:27:35 | |
That sort of information isn't really very helpful. | 1:27:35 | 1:27:38 | |
Complete these dear unfinished tasks of mine | 1:27:38 | 1:27:42 | |
And I, perchance, may therein comfort you. | 1:27:42 | 1:27:47 | |
I think they did a pretty good job, actually, | 1:27:48 | 1:27:51 | |
but there was an element of, you know, Hollywood there as well. | 1:27:51 | 1:27:55 | |
# Goodbye, England's rose | 1:27:55 | 1:27:58 | |
# May you ever grow in our hearts | 1:27:58 | 1:28:02 | |
# You were the grace that placed itself | 1:28:02 | 1:28:05 | |
# Where lives were torn apart... # | 1:28:05 | 1:28:09 | |
When the shutters came down and I refused to let myself get sad | 1:28:09 | 1:28:13 | |
about the fact that my mother had died, | 1:28:13 | 1:28:15 | |
there were certain things that was like someone firing an arrow | 1:28:15 | 1:28:20 | |
straight into that barrier and the head of it getting through. | 1:28:20 | 1:28:24 | |
And Elton John's song was incredibly emotional. | 1:28:24 | 1:28:28 | |
# And it seems to me you lived your life | 1:28:28 | 1:28:31 | |
# Like a candle in the wind... # | 1:28:31 | 1:28:33 | |
That was part of this whole trigger system | 1:28:33 | 1:28:37 | |
which nearly brought me to the point of crying in public, | 1:28:37 | 1:28:40 | |
which I'm glad I didn't do. | 1:28:40 | 1:28:43 | |
# And your footsteps will always fall here | 1:28:43 | 1:28:47 | |
# Along England's greenest hills... # | 1:28:47 | 1:28:51 | |
Her legacy is someone who not only has produced two fantastic Princes, | 1:28:51 | 1:28:58 | |
but, in her work life, touched so many millions of hearts | 1:28:58 | 1:29:04 | |
from around the world | 1:29:04 | 1:29:06 | |
and made a real difference to people's lives, | 1:29:06 | 1:29:10 | |
wherever they were. | 1:29:10 | 1:29:11 | |
It is a point to remember that of all the ironies about Diana, | 1:29:13 | 1:29:17 | |
perhaps the greatest was this - | 1:29:17 | 1:29:19 | |
a girl given the name of the ancient goddess of hunting was, | 1:29:19 | 1:29:23 | |
in the end, the most hunted person of the modern age. | 1:29:23 | 1:29:27 | |
She would want us today to pledge ourselves to protecting | 1:29:29 | 1:29:31 | |
her beloved boys, William and Harry, from a similar fate, | 1:29:31 | 1:29:36 | |
and I do this here, Diana, on your behalf. | 1:29:36 | 1:29:39 | |
We will not allow them to suffer the anguish | 1:29:39 | 1:29:42 | |
that used regularly to drive you to tearful despair. | 1:29:42 | 1:29:45 | |
I realised that what I was going to have to do | 1:29:45 | 1:29:49 | |
was say what Diana would have wanted me to say | 1:29:49 | 1:29:52 | |
now she no longer had a voice. | 1:29:52 | 1:29:54 | |
So once I had the objective, the actual thoughts and words | 1:29:55 | 1:29:59 | |
and emotions all slotted into place quite easily. | 1:29:59 | 1:30:03 | |
All over the world, she was a symbol of selfless humanity. | 1:30:03 | 1:30:07 | |
A standard bearer for the rights of the truly downtrodden. | 1:30:08 | 1:30:12 | |
Someone with a natural nobility, | 1:30:12 | 1:30:15 | |
who was classless, and who proved in the last year | 1:30:15 | 1:30:18 | |
that she needed no royal title | 1:30:18 | 1:30:20 | |
to continue to generate her particular brand of magic. | 1:30:20 | 1:30:24 | |
It was a difficult speech for the Royal family to accept. | 1:30:24 | 1:30:29 | |
It was a difficult speech for some of the rest of us to accept, | 1:30:29 | 1:30:35 | |
but it was clearly a speech which came from the heart | 1:30:35 | 1:30:39 | |
at a difficult time. | 1:30:39 | 1:30:40 | |
On behalf of your mother and sisters, | 1:30:40 | 1:30:42 | |
I pledge that we, your blood family, | 1:30:42 | 1:30:45 | |
will do all we can to continue the imaginative and loving way | 1:30:45 | 1:30:49 | |
in which you were steering these two exceptional young men, | 1:30:49 | 1:30:52 | |
so that their souls are not simply immersed by duty and tradition, | 1:30:52 | 1:30:57 | |
but can sing openly as you planned. | 1:30:57 | 1:30:59 | |
Above all, we give thanks for the life of a woman | 1:30:59 | 1:31:03 | |
I'm so proud to be able to call my sister - | 1:31:03 | 1:31:06 | |
the unique, the complex, the extraordinary | 1:31:06 | 1:31:09 | |
and irreplaceable Diana, | 1:31:09 | 1:31:11 | |
whose beauty, both internal and external, | 1:31:11 | 1:31:14 | |
will never be extinguished from our minds. | 1:31:14 | 1:31:17 | |
APPLAUSE | 1:31:18 | 1:31:20 | |
And there was this extraordinary noise | 1:31:35 | 1:31:38 | |
that came from outside the Abbey. | 1:31:38 | 1:31:39 | |
And it swept through like a tsunami | 1:31:41 | 1:31:45 | |
up the aisles and to the top of the Abbey. | 1:31:45 | 1:31:48 | |
Spontaneous applause breaks out in Westminster Abbey. | 1:31:48 | 1:31:53 | |
I've never heard that before. | 1:31:53 | 1:31:55 | |
I'm sure that Diana didn't set out | 1:31:58 | 1:32:01 | |
to be part of a democratising of Britain, | 1:32:01 | 1:32:05 | |
but I think she had that effect. | 1:32:05 | 1:32:07 | |
The circumstances of her death, | 1:32:07 | 1:32:10 | |
the immediate reaction of the public, the Royal family and others | 1:32:10 | 1:32:15 | |
to her death, this was emblematic | 1:32:15 | 1:32:20 | |
of a really rapidly changing society. | 1:32:20 | 1:32:24 | |
The people of this country, they had a voice through Diana, | 1:32:24 | 1:32:29 | |
and they made their voice heard after Diana died. | 1:32:29 | 1:32:34 | |
I think by the end of that week, | 1:32:40 | 1:32:44 | |
we'd come to almost a new settlement, if you like, | 1:32:44 | 1:32:49 | |
between the monarchy and people. | 1:32:49 | 1:32:51 | |
I think in the course of this week, the monarchy, | 1:32:57 | 1:32:59 | |
and the Queen in particular, | 1:32:59 | 1:33:01 | |
showed that they had that capacity to adapt and adjust. | 1:33:01 | 1:33:06 | |
Realising what from Diana's life they had to, as it were, | 1:33:08 | 1:33:13 | |
keep as part of the monarchy going forward. | 1:33:13 | 1:33:16 | |
When you're that young and something like that happens to you, | 1:33:19 | 1:33:22 | |
I think it's lodged in your heart and in your head. | 1:33:22 | 1:33:24 | |
It stays there for a very, very long time. | 1:33:24 | 1:33:26 | |
Years after, I spent a long time in my life | 1:33:26 | 1:33:29 | |
with my head buried in the sand, you know, thinking, | 1:33:29 | 1:33:32 | |
"I don't want to be Prince Harry, I don't want this responsibility. | 1:33:32 | 1:33:35 | |
"I don't want this role. Look what's happened to my mother. | 1:33:35 | 1:33:39 | |
"Why does this have to happen to me?" | 1:33:39 | 1:33:41 | |
But now all I want to do is try | 1:33:45 | 1:33:48 | |
and fill the holes that my mother has left. | 1:33:48 | 1:33:51 | |
That's what it's about for us, trying to make a difference | 1:33:51 | 1:33:54 | |
and, in making a difference, making her proud. | 1:33:54 | 1:33:56 | |
She was the Princess of Wales and she stood for so many things, | 1:34:02 | 1:34:04 | |
but deep down inside, for us, she was a mother. | 1:34:04 | 1:34:07 | |
And-and-and... | 1:34:07 | 1:34:09 | |
And we will miss our mother and wonder every single... | 1:34:09 | 1:34:14 | |
I wonder every single day what it would be like having her around. | 1:34:14 | 1:34:17 | |
When you have something so traumatic as the death of your mother | 1:34:22 | 1:34:26 | |
when you're 15, it will either make or break you. | 1:34:26 | 1:34:29 | |
And I wouldn't let it break me. | 1:34:29 | 1:34:31 | |
I wanted it to make me. | 1:34:31 | 1:34:32 | |
I wanted her to be proud of the person that I would become. | 1:34:33 | 1:34:37 | |
I didn't want her worried or her legacy to be that, you know, | 1:34:37 | 1:34:42 | |
William and/or Harry were completely and utterly devastated by it. | 1:34:42 | 1:34:45 | |
She loved Harry and I dearly, | 1:34:53 | 1:34:55 | |
even so that now I can sit here after 20 years | 1:34:55 | 1:34:57 | |
and I still feel that love, | 1:34:57 | 1:34:59 | |
I still feel that warmth 20 years on, | 1:34:59 | 1:35:01 | |
which is, you know, a huge testament to her. | 1:35:01 | 1:35:05 | |
If I can be even a fraction of what she was, I'll be proud. | 1:35:11 | 1:35:14 | |
I'll hopefully make her proud in what I've done. | 1:35:14 | 1:35:17 |