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Three figures, phallic necks. | 0:00:20 | 0:00:24 | |
There's one with a sort of paw on what looks like | 0:00:26 | 0:00:28 | |
a huge scrubbing brush, | 0:00:28 | 0:00:30 | |
which is snarling. | 0:00:30 | 0:00:31 | |
And they're baying their anger, their pain, their distrust of life. | 0:00:31 | 0:00:38 | |
To the people who walked into the Lefevre Gallery that day... | 0:00:40 | 0:00:44 | |
..that was a shock. I mean, they had never really seen anything like it. | 0:00:45 | 0:00:48 | |
It was just after the war and people didn't want to be disturbed. | 0:00:53 | 0:00:56 | |
They'd been deeply disturbed already. | 0:00:56 | 0:00:58 | |
Something breaks in that painting, | 0:01:00 | 0:01:03 | |
in English culture. | 0:01:03 | 0:01:04 | |
It was as if art had become feral. | 0:01:04 | 0:01:06 | |
Those things are all in the background, they all inform the work. | 0:01:08 | 0:01:12 | |
But you make a mistake if you explain the paintings | 0:01:12 | 0:01:16 | |
through the war. What Bacon did was something different. | 0:01:16 | 0:01:20 | |
So many people of my generation, | 0:01:25 | 0:01:28 | |
that's where they first saw an image by Francis Bacon. | 0:01:28 | 0:01:32 | |
But nobody knew who Francis Bacon was. | 0:01:32 | 0:01:34 | |
Just after the war, my mother had a house in South Kensington, | 0:01:38 | 0:01:42 | |
and I was always watching what was going on outside. | 0:01:42 | 0:01:46 | |
And I remember seeing somebody who was carrying a very large canvas. | 0:01:46 | 0:01:52 | |
And I don't know why I felt it - | 0:01:52 | 0:01:54 | |
"This guy has to be Francis Bacon." | 0:01:54 | 0:01:56 | |
And he went into a house opposite my mother's house, | 0:01:58 | 0:02:01 | |
I was totally fascinated by him. | 0:02:01 | 0:02:03 | |
And we became friends. | 0:02:03 | 0:02:05 | |
He was like no-one else in the world. | 0:02:06 | 0:02:08 | |
He lived in a very grand studio. | 0:02:10 | 0:02:13 | |
Everything was torn, everything was dirty, everything was wonderful. | 0:02:13 | 0:02:18 | |
A lot of incredibly strong cocktails, | 0:02:21 | 0:02:24 | |
so you got plastered pretty quick. | 0:02:24 | 0:02:27 | |
And then Nanny would appear from time to time and say, | 0:02:27 | 0:02:31 | |
"Would anybody like something to, you know, something to smoke?" | 0:02:31 | 0:02:36 | |
And this didn't mean, you know, Player's cigarettes. | 0:02:36 | 0:02:39 | |
MATCH STRIKES AND FLARES | 0:02:39 | 0:02:41 | |
She was his childhood nanny. | 0:02:41 | 0:02:43 | |
I think he adored her. | 0:02:43 | 0:02:45 | |
She was like a mother to him. | 0:02:45 | 0:02:47 | |
Of course, the whole story is... It's so comical, really. | 0:02:47 | 0:02:51 | |
She slept on the kitchen table. | 0:02:51 | 0:02:54 | |
She was totally blind. | 0:02:54 | 0:02:55 | |
How on earth she cooked and how she knew what she was doing, I don't know. | 0:02:56 | 0:03:00 | |
She organised the gambling parties that he gave, | 0:03:00 | 0:03:03 | |
that's one of the ways he made money. | 0:03:03 | 0:03:06 | |
After the war, the entire sort of bohemian London | 0:03:15 | 0:03:19 | |
began to coalesce around the Gargoyle and then, | 0:03:19 | 0:03:22 | |
of course, with the opening of The Colony Room by Muriel Belcher, | 0:03:22 | 0:03:27 | |
that became the epicentre of the lives of most of the painters and, | 0:03:27 | 0:03:32 | |
of course, Francis Bacon was part of that. | 0:03:32 | 0:03:34 | |
I have no earthly idea when I first encountered Francis. | 0:03:34 | 0:03:39 | |
I most remember him in The Colony, | 0:03:41 | 0:03:44 | |
and Muriel said that I was the only person | 0:03:44 | 0:03:47 | |
who was allowed in from the age of 12. | 0:03:47 | 0:03:50 | |
Francis had an extraordinary capacity to take advantage of any situation | 0:03:50 | 0:03:55 | |
in which he found himself | 0:03:55 | 0:03:57 | |
and to turn it into something wonderful | 0:03:57 | 0:04:00 | |
and magical. | 0:04:00 | 0:04:01 | |
And so you were immediately... | 0:04:01 | 0:04:03 | |
..enchanted by his presence. | 0:04:04 | 0:04:07 | |
He was like a piece of electricity coming into the room. | 0:04:09 | 0:04:13 | |
I mean, charisma poured out of him, you couldn't take your eyes off him, | 0:04:13 | 0:04:17 | |
you know, he darted around like a bird, and these extraordinary eyes. | 0:04:17 | 0:04:21 | |
Muriel offered him a £10 retainer, a week to bring in his friends, | 0:04:22 | 0:04:27 | |
which he proceeded to do. | 0:04:27 | 0:04:29 | |
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Yes, this was the age of existentialism, | 0:05:04 | 0:05:06 | |
this is the age when everybody thought that this could be the last, | 0:05:06 | 0:05:11 | |
their last moments, so they were living in a very edgy kind of atmosphere. | 0:05:11 | 0:05:16 | |
We do with our life what we can and then we die. | 0:05:16 | 0:05:19 | |
What else can you... What else is there? | 0:05:19 | 0:05:22 | |
And if somebody is very aware of that, perhaps... | 0:05:22 | 0:05:25 | |
Perhaps it comes out in their work. | 0:05:27 | 0:05:29 | |
I think he saw life as a risk. | 0:05:29 | 0:05:32 | |
It also amused him, I think, | 0:05:32 | 0:05:34 | |
the idea that chance played such a big role in everything. | 0:05:34 | 0:05:39 | |
And he certainly applied that to painting. | 0:05:39 | 0:05:42 | |
If anything ever does work, in my case... | 0:05:44 | 0:05:47 | |
..well, chance and what I call accident takes over. | 0:05:48 | 0:05:53 | |
Certainly, in his painting, I mean, he would... | 0:05:56 | 0:05:59 | |
..gamble everything on the next brush stroke. | 0:06:00 | 0:06:03 | |
That's always, always going to be exciting, to see somebody in that | 0:06:03 | 0:06:06 | |
situation and, you know, | 0:06:06 | 0:06:08 | |
it's like watching somebody walking the tightrope to see if they succeed or fail. | 0:06:08 | 0:06:12 | |
For instance, that painting in the Museum of Modern Art, | 0:06:12 | 0:06:15 | |
I first tried to do a gorilla in a cornfield. | 0:06:15 | 0:06:19 | |
Then I tried to do a bird alighting. | 0:06:19 | 0:06:21 | |
And then, gradually, all the marks I'd made suggested this other image, | 0:06:21 | 0:06:25 | |
which is a totally accidental image. | 0:06:25 | 0:06:28 | |
I'd never thought of doing an image like that ever in my life. | 0:06:28 | 0:06:31 | |
I can remember, you know, really studying for a long time, | 0:06:31 | 0:06:35 | |
the umbrella in the sides of beef. | 0:06:35 | 0:06:38 | |
And I remember thinking, how's he made that umbrella so terrifying? | 0:06:38 | 0:06:40 | |
It's just such an everyday object. | 0:06:40 | 0:06:42 | |
You know, you get guttural feelings from paintings | 0:06:42 | 0:06:45 | |
and emotional paintings, and it's just paint. | 0:06:45 | 0:06:47 | |
But it's like it doesn't feel like paint, it feels much more violent. | 0:06:47 | 0:06:51 | |
You know, it taps into something in your unconscious, which is dark and, | 0:06:52 | 0:06:56 | |
you know, exciting. | 0:06:56 | 0:06:57 | |
When I met him, I could not equate just the general sort of drunken foolery | 0:06:59 | 0:07:05 | |
that went on, which I found hugely entertaining, | 0:07:05 | 0:07:08 | |
with these twisted horrors. | 0:07:08 | 0:07:11 | |
This is the great central enigma about Bacon. | 0:07:13 | 0:07:16 | |
Where did the darkness come from? | 0:07:18 | 0:07:20 | |
You see, I was born in Ireland, and I was brought up a rabid Protestant... | 0:07:23 | 0:07:28 | |
..with no beliefs, of course! | 0:07:31 | 0:07:33 | |
Neither my mother or father were Irish | 0:07:38 | 0:07:42 | |
but, nevertheless, I was brought up in Kildare. | 0:07:42 | 0:07:45 | |
My father was a trainer of race horses. | 0:07:46 | 0:07:48 | |
In the last interview that Bacon ever did, | 0:07:50 | 0:07:53 | |
he spoke of his childhood and | 0:07:53 | 0:07:55 | |
said it was like something cold and something hard, like a block of ice. | 0:07:55 | 0:08:00 | |
And he attributed that to his shyness, which came from being asthmatic, | 0:08:00 | 0:08:05 | |
that he could not interact in the world in the same way that ordinary boys could. | 0:08:05 | 0:08:09 | |
Imagine growing up in a particularly horsey outdoorsy world, | 0:08:11 | 0:08:16 | |
and imagine that you have fragile lungs that are pulverised by any sort of dust | 0:08:16 | 0:08:20 | |
and you basically had to gasp your way through life. | 0:08:20 | 0:08:23 | |
This had an enormous influence on Bacon. | 0:08:23 | 0:08:27 | |
In the paintings, I believe it does come across. | 0:08:29 | 0:08:32 | |
It's as though the air has been pumped out, has been sucked out of the space, | 0:08:32 | 0:08:38 | |
and the figures are there, up against the glass, | 0:08:38 | 0:08:42 | |
almost grasping for breath. | 0:08:42 | 0:08:44 | |
He was growing up in Ireland. By the age of 12, | 0:08:45 | 0:08:48 | |
what do you do when you've begun to have homosexual instincts? | 0:08:48 | 0:08:52 | |
It was a deep-seated, deep-rooted problem with his father. | 0:08:54 | 0:08:57 | |
Bacon's father, Eddie, was a very difficult character. | 0:08:59 | 0:09:03 | |
Francis Bacon disappointed him in a major way. | 0:09:05 | 0:09:08 | |
It was a fairly traumatic childhood. | 0:09:10 | 0:09:12 | |
His father got his stable boys to whip him, | 0:09:14 | 0:09:18 | |
and I think that started one or two things off. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:21 | |
He sometimes talked about it and he said, he said it to me privately... | 0:09:21 | 0:09:25 | |
..that one of his... | 0:09:26 | 0:09:27 | |
..difficult dynamics in his life was that he really rather hated his father | 0:09:30 | 0:09:35 | |
but he found his father sexually attractive. | 0:09:35 | 0:09:37 | |
Francis was a born masochist. | 0:09:37 | 0:09:40 | |
It wasn't something that he took up later for kicks. | 0:09:40 | 0:09:44 | |
Francis was through and through a masochist. | 0:09:44 | 0:09:47 | |
More interesting, of course, is that he then went into the stables and | 0:09:51 | 0:09:55 | |
had sexual relations with the grooms. | 0:09:55 | 0:09:59 | |
And I think the buggering in the barn was a sort of important aspect | 0:10:03 | 0:10:08 | |
of his background. | 0:10:08 | 0:10:09 | |
It was a very odd sort of situation. | 0:10:11 | 0:10:14 | |
And the father couldn't deal with it. | 0:10:14 | 0:10:16 | |
So he wanted him out of the house... | 0:10:16 | 0:10:19 | |
and try and get him straightened out. | 0:10:19 | 0:10:21 | |
He went to... | 0:10:22 | 0:10:24 | |
..an older man whom his family, I think, thought would be a good companion for him | 0:10:25 | 0:10:32 | |
but who turned out to be bisexual. | 0:10:32 | 0:10:34 | |
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He told it without any sense of hurt but, in fact, I think he'd been deeply, | 0:11:01 | 0:11:07 | |
deeply wounded by this, | 0:11:07 | 0:11:10 | |
by this rejection. | 0:11:10 | 0:11:11 | |
Berlin was huge to him, | 0:11:14 | 0:11:17 | |
as it became to a whole generation of homosexuals around his age. | 0:11:17 | 0:11:24 | |
He liked the fascination, the freedom, the absolute lack of... | 0:11:24 | 0:11:29 | |
..authority, in a way, which was hugely influential on him. | 0:11:31 | 0:11:34 | |
Francis experienced Berlin whilst at its most famously debauched... | 0:11:34 | 0:11:40 | |
..where there were these crazy bars and sadism was the flavour of the period. | 0:11:41 | 0:11:46 | |
People have attempted to explain Francis Bacon as a revenge motif against his father. | 0:11:48 | 0:11:55 | |
Once he left Berlin, where was his natural proclivity? | 0:11:58 | 0:12:01 | |
It was France. | 0:12:01 | 0:12:03 | |
He saw this as the Olympus of the art world, and Francis Bacon fell in | 0:12:03 | 0:12:09 | |
love with Paris and Parisian art from his first trip there in 1928. | 0:12:09 | 0:12:14 | |
And that was a constant throughout his entire life. | 0:12:14 | 0:12:16 | |
I stayed for a short time in Paris and it was about that time, | 0:12:19 | 0:12:23 | |
at Rosenberg's, I saw an exhibition of Picasso. | 0:12:23 | 0:12:28 | |
And I think, at that moment, I thought, "Well, I will try and paint, too." | 0:12:28 | 0:12:31 | |
Francis Bacon's first career is a bit obscured because what he did in | 0:12:34 | 0:12:38 | |
Paris in his famous trip, once he left Berlin, has been a subject of much mystery. | 0:12:38 | 0:12:43 | |
He did have some connections into the design world of Paris, | 0:12:45 | 0:12:49 | |
we know for sure. | 0:12:49 | 0:12:51 | |
By the time he came to London, a little-known fact that we've discovered, | 0:12:51 | 0:12:56 | |
he established himself in deepest Chelsea and was, for three or four years, | 0:12:56 | 0:13:00 | |
part of a very important design and interior-decorating world. | 0:13:00 | 0:13:05 | |
He kept quiet about all that, he never mentioned it. | 0:13:05 | 0:13:08 | |
Decoration was one of the foulest words in his vocabulary after that. | 0:13:10 | 0:13:15 | |
Something that was decorative, you know, particularly in art, | 0:13:15 | 0:13:17 | |
was like non-existent. | 0:13:17 | 0:13:19 | |
He sensed, quite early on, that he wanted more than that. | 0:13:20 | 0:13:25 | |
Obviously, he had to make his way, you know? | 0:13:25 | 0:13:27 | |
And of course, he made nothing from the painting but the painting soon | 0:13:27 | 0:13:31 | |
became the obsessive thing. | 0:13:31 | 0:13:33 | |
You know, he's almost, like, egging himself on to be confident enough to paint. | 0:13:34 | 0:13:38 | |
And I love those early years' paintings. | 0:13:38 | 0:13:40 | |
I have the 1933 early Crucifixion, the one like the Picasso Bathers. | 0:13:41 | 0:13:46 | |
You know, I can't believe that I own it now. | 0:13:48 | 0:13:51 | |
The first 15, 20 years of his life and career, | 0:13:52 | 0:13:56 | |
so little of it survives. | 0:13:56 | 0:13:58 | |
I mean, the ratio's about one per year. | 0:13:58 | 0:14:00 | |
Between 1936 and 1944, there's an eight-year gap, | 0:14:00 | 0:14:04 | |
we have no works at all. | 0:14:04 | 0:14:05 | |
Now, he wasn't not painting. | 0:14:05 | 0:14:07 | |
But Roy De Maistre, an artist who was extremely fond of Bacon, | 0:14:07 | 0:14:11 | |
he painted a corner of Bacon's painting studio and you see paintings | 0:14:11 | 0:14:15 | |
stacked up in the corner...the corners of the room, | 0:14:15 | 0:14:18 | |
with their faces showing. | 0:14:18 | 0:14:19 | |
We can see what he was painting. | 0:14:19 | 0:14:21 | |
They were all destroyed, | 0:14:21 | 0:14:22 | |
all these things, we have these tantalising glimpses of in another artist's work. | 0:14:22 | 0:14:26 | |
There's the legend that grew up around this, that Bacon himself fostered, | 0:14:26 | 0:14:32 | |
was that he then just walked away from the easel | 0:14:32 | 0:14:35 | |
and only to re-emerge, of course, in the mid-40s with his great Three Studies. | 0:14:35 | 0:14:40 | |
Um, this is not true. | 0:14:40 | 0:14:43 | |
One thing I feel certain about is that he really, really was painting all the time. | 0:14:43 | 0:14:47 | |
He desperately wanted to be, by then, a great artist. | 0:14:47 | 0:14:51 | |
He didn't want to be mediocre. | 0:14:51 | 0:14:53 | |
There are many strains in his earlier painting | 0:14:53 | 0:14:56 | |
that you can trace | 0:14:56 | 0:14:57 | |
in the development and evolution of the look that appeared | 0:14:57 | 0:15:01 | |
in Three Studies. | 0:15:01 | 0:15:03 | |
About 1943-44, it was then that I really started to paint. | 0:15:04 | 0:15:11 | |
When at Lefevre we had that first exhibition | 0:15:11 | 0:15:15 | |
with Henry Moore, Graham Sutherland, | 0:15:15 | 0:15:17 | |
and it was then that I showed those | 0:15:17 | 0:15:20 | |
Three Studies For Figures At The Base Of A Crucifixion, | 0:15:20 | 0:15:24 | |
which... People were very, very violently against those things. | 0:15:24 | 0:15:29 | |
One of the usual bitchy critics, to me, said, | 0:15:29 | 0:15:33 | |
"Why bother to do things like that when it's already been done by Picasso?" | 0:15:33 | 0:15:38 | |
It was Graham Sutherland, I think, who recommended him to Erica Brausen, | 0:15:38 | 0:15:43 | |
who was one of the brightest contemporary art dealers of the time, | 0:15:43 | 0:15:47 | |
and when she saw his work she saw the point of it right away. | 0:15:47 | 0:15:52 | |
She sold his painting 1946 to MoMA | 0:15:52 | 0:15:56 | |
and that really was a very, very signal moment for Francis. | 0:15:56 | 0:16:01 | |
He was always needing money to waste, you know, to gamble away. | 0:16:01 | 0:16:06 | |
He was nothing but trouble to her. | 0:16:06 | 0:16:08 | |
She just tolerated it and helped him as best she could. | 0:16:08 | 0:16:12 | |
She was nurturing, she was devoted to him. | 0:16:12 | 0:16:15 | |
She was a woman who really looked after him. | 0:16:15 | 0:16:18 | |
And he went to Monaco, | 0:16:19 | 0:16:21 | |
and it was the place where English people of his kind went | 0:16:21 | 0:16:24 | |
and, if you wanted to gamble, it was the most glamorous place to go, still, to gamble. | 0:16:24 | 0:16:27 | |
You could gamble in London, for goodness' sake, to some extent. | 0:16:27 | 0:16:30 | |
But this was much more glamorous and much more congenial, | 0:16:30 | 0:16:33 | |
in many other ways. | 0:16:33 | 0:16:35 | |
I mean, it wasn't just Bacon who went to Monaco, | 0:16:36 | 0:16:38 | |
there was this bizarre, probably ghastly, old nanny, | 0:16:38 | 0:16:42 | |
but the one who he really loved. | 0:16:42 | 0:16:43 | |
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He was terrible about getting paintings in on time. | 0:17:06 | 0:17:09 | |
Brausen was always writing Bacon and saying, you know, | 0:17:09 | 0:17:12 | |
"Francis, please... | 0:17:12 | 0:17:14 | |
"We have a show planned for next December. How's it going?" | 0:17:16 | 0:17:19 | |
And three months later, nothing. | 0:17:19 | 0:17:21 | |
And his typical pattern was that he would destroy all his work | 0:17:21 | 0:17:24 | |
until pretty near to a show when he would have to | 0:17:24 | 0:17:28 | |
produce some paintings, finally. | 0:17:28 | 0:17:30 | |
He was there most of the time between 1946-49, even into early 1950, | 0:17:30 | 0:17:35 | |
and produced almost nothing. | 0:17:35 | 0:17:38 | |
He'd been rethinking what he must do in his art. | 0:17:38 | 0:17:41 | |
He knew he must say something. | 0:17:41 | 0:17:43 | |
It was no use being derivative of Picasso. | 0:17:43 | 0:17:46 | |
And he knew, in fact, his subject must be the human body | 0:17:46 | 0:17:50 | |
and that it must come from his own life and his own experience. | 0:17:50 | 0:17:53 | |
Part of what he had to express needed a new way of painting. | 0:17:56 | 0:18:00 | |
The heads are astonishing. | 0:18:03 | 0:18:06 | |
They're so close to the animal. | 0:18:07 | 0:18:10 | |
The animal in the man. | 0:18:10 | 0:18:11 | |
In those images that Bacon did, | 0:18:12 | 0:18:14 | |
it's as if you can feel the breath of | 0:18:14 | 0:18:18 | |
the animal on your neck. | 0:18:18 | 0:18:20 | |
Or as if you're going into some dark cave | 0:18:20 | 0:18:22 | |
and you smell the animal before you see it. | 0:18:22 | 0:18:25 | |
I mean, it's so visceral. | 0:18:25 | 0:18:27 | |
The animal is so close. | 0:18:27 | 0:18:30 | |
The fact that Francis Bacon had no formal training | 0:18:35 | 0:18:38 | |
probably freed him in a way that other people were not as free. | 0:18:38 | 0:18:43 | |
He was not part of any movement. | 0:18:43 | 0:18:45 | |
Francis Bacon was an outlier in a most interesting way. | 0:18:45 | 0:18:48 | |
I think he probably did go to one or two classes and things like that. | 0:18:48 | 0:18:52 | |
He certainly never mentioned that afterwards, | 0:18:52 | 0:18:55 | |
and he picked up quite a lot from painter friends. | 0:18:55 | 0:18:58 | |
Denis and Francis Bacon came from a similar background. | 0:19:01 | 0:19:04 | |
Both were untrained as artists. | 0:19:04 | 0:19:07 | |
So this was a link, both were self-taught. | 0:19:07 | 0:19:10 | |
Francis Bacon was inevitably | 0:19:10 | 0:19:12 | |
the main event in Denis's life. | 0:19:12 | 0:19:15 | |
Dickie and Denis were the main event in each other's lives. | 0:19:17 | 0:19:20 | |
Richard Chopping, known as Dickie, was his partner. | 0:19:20 | 0:19:25 | |
Bacon could have actually been a hell of a lot of trouble | 0:19:25 | 0:19:28 | |
to the relationship but he wasn't, | 0:19:28 | 0:19:30 | |
and Denis would put up with anything. | 0:19:30 | 0:19:34 | |
Francis would equally put up with anything that Denis threw at him. | 0:19:34 | 0:19:37 | |
And between them, this relationship went like that for many, many years. | 0:19:37 | 0:19:41 | |
When they were partying and drinking together in Soho, | 0:19:41 | 0:19:43 | |
they would come and drag me out, | 0:19:43 | 0:19:44 | |
with them usually six bottles of champagne ahead of me. | 0:19:44 | 0:19:47 | |
And it would end up with punching in the face, | 0:19:47 | 0:19:49 | |
noses being broken in galleries, | 0:19:49 | 0:19:52 | |
there were plates broken on people's heads. | 0:19:52 | 0:19:54 | |
Turned out, banned from places, the stories just go on and on and on. | 0:19:54 | 0:19:58 | |
Do you know, I don't care if I fuck up the whole of the film, | 0:19:58 | 0:20:01 | |
but you can never say things as clearly in French, | 0:20:01 | 0:20:03 | |
-as you say it in English. -Yes, of course he can. -Of course you can't. | 0:20:03 | 0:20:06 | |
Go away, darling. Avec Rembrandt, avec Michel-Ange. | 0:20:06 | 0:20:10 | |
You know, you're going to be cheapened. | 0:20:22 | 0:20:25 | |
-OK. -Very. -I'll be cheapened. -Very. | 0:20:25 | 0:20:27 | |
There were a lot of things that they were using | 0:20:30 | 0:20:33 | |
as common subject matter. | 0:20:33 | 0:20:34 | |
They both had boxing magazines. | 0:20:34 | 0:20:37 | |
They had magazines of runners. | 0:20:37 | 0:20:38 | |
They used Eadweard Muybridge's work. | 0:20:38 | 0:20:40 | |
Denis did introduce Francis to Muybridge, arguably the most, with Picasso, | 0:20:42 | 0:20:47 | |
the most important influence on his work. | 0:20:47 | 0:20:49 | |
It's a very interesting work. | 0:20:51 | 0:20:53 | |
And the images were tremendously suggestive to me of ways I could use the human body. | 0:20:53 | 0:20:59 | |
Francis drew badly and was very conscious of it. | 0:21:01 | 0:21:05 | |
And I think facing up to the fact that he had never been taught drawing... | 0:21:05 | 0:21:09 | |
And he used Muybridge's amazing photographs of athletes in weird positions | 0:21:09 | 0:21:15 | |
again and again, | 0:21:15 | 0:21:17 | |
because there the limbs were dead accurate and he could use them, | 0:21:17 | 0:21:21 | |
as it were, as sketches for a whole series of paintings... | 0:21:21 | 0:21:27 | |
though, above all, the painting known as The Buggers. | 0:21:27 | 0:21:31 | |
I used to go and visit Lucien Freud and Caroline Blackwood in their house. | 0:21:31 | 0:21:36 | |
They had the painting which they always called The Buggers, | 0:21:36 | 0:21:41 | |
which was, is, I think, officially called The Wrestlers. | 0:21:41 | 0:21:45 | |
I just simply thought it was a wonderful painting. | 0:21:45 | 0:21:48 | |
I think, that when you're very young, you don't have preconceived | 0:21:48 | 0:21:54 | |
notions of what is shocking. | 0:21:54 | 0:21:57 | |
You just look at things to see if they are beautiful. | 0:22:00 | 0:22:04 | |
There is no doubt that this is Bacon | 0:22:05 | 0:22:08 | |
and the most important lover in his life. | 0:22:08 | 0:22:12 | |
This is their coupling. | 0:22:14 | 0:22:15 | |
This is their moment of greatest intensity. | 0:22:15 | 0:22:18 | |
And this is the trigger, really, of Bacon's greatest images. | 0:22:18 | 0:22:23 | |
It's where everything comes together. | 0:22:23 | 0:22:25 | |
Francis's first major lover was Peter Lacy. | 0:22:34 | 0:22:39 | |
He had been a Spitfire pilot. | 0:22:40 | 0:22:43 | |
Francis was wildly in love. | 0:22:43 | 0:22:48 | |
Bacon found him very charming. | 0:22:51 | 0:22:54 | |
He said he was... He was amusing. | 0:22:54 | 0:22:57 | |
And he played the piano. | 0:22:57 | 0:22:59 | |
He sang. | 0:22:59 | 0:23:00 | |
And Bacon saw him as somebody quite extraordinary. | 0:23:00 | 0:23:05 | |
Other people didn't have this very enamoured view of Peter Lacy. | 0:23:08 | 0:23:14 | |
I remember going to a gay bar, | 0:23:14 | 0:23:17 | |
one evening, and Peter Lacy was there. | 0:23:17 | 0:23:20 | |
He was very, sort of, soberly dressed, very straightforward. | 0:23:20 | 0:23:27 | |
But he turned out to be, in fact, one of the most sadistic people... | 0:23:27 | 0:23:34 | |
..I've ever come across. | 0:23:35 | 0:23:37 | |
During the war, his nervous system was...was, basically, shot | 0:23:40 | 0:23:45 | |
and he could become very violent. | 0:23:45 | 0:23:48 | |
Francis was landed with a... | 0:23:48 | 0:23:51 | |
..sadist | 0:23:52 | 0:23:53 | |
who was going to thrash him to bits | 0:23:53 | 0:23:57 | |
and he hadn't got Nanny to fall back on. | 0:23:57 | 0:24:00 | |
When Nanny died - was it 1951? - he was heartbroken. | 0:24:01 | 0:24:06 | |
She was his adviser, she ran his life | 0:24:06 | 0:24:10 | |
and he had to depend on himself. | 0:24:10 | 0:24:14 | |
They had a turbulent relationship. | 0:24:37 | 0:24:40 | |
Lacy regularly beat Bacon up | 0:24:40 | 0:24:43 | |
and that was something that Bacon actively encouraged and enjoyed. | 0:24:43 | 0:24:47 | |
Peter had a house in the country and Francis went there one weekend. | 0:24:52 | 0:24:57 | |
God knows what he'd done to him already but Peter Lacy simply threw him | 0:24:59 | 0:25:04 | |
through a plate-glass window | 0:25:04 | 0:25:08 | |
on the second floor, onto the garden at the back of the house. | 0:25:08 | 0:25:13 | |
And Francis had terrible damage to one eye and to his face and so on. | 0:25:13 | 0:25:18 | |
But this made him love Peter Lacy more, I think. | 0:25:18 | 0:25:22 | |
And he turned these horrible, terrible things into magic, | 0:25:23 | 0:25:30 | |
into great paintings. | 0:25:30 | 0:25:32 | |
Peter himself was very often the subject of any male figure | 0:25:35 | 0:25:39 | |
in the painting. He's always there. | 0:25:39 | 0:25:42 | |
And I think he stirred the very depths of Bacon's being. | 0:25:42 | 0:25:47 | |
He managed to create these very strange, eerie images, | 0:25:47 | 0:25:53 | |
against a dark blue background. | 0:25:53 | 0:25:56 | |
Very ghostly. | 0:25:56 | 0:25:58 | |
Peter Lacy's... | 0:26:02 | 0:26:03 | |
..power over Francis, sadistic power over Francis... | 0:26:05 | 0:26:09 | |
And I hope it won't shock people - it was a very positive one. | 0:26:10 | 0:26:14 | |
It was regarded as a rather dirty habit, | 0:26:17 | 0:26:21 | |
to go and look at the paintings of Bacon, | 0:26:21 | 0:26:23 | |
because the whole fashion was abstract expressionism | 0:26:23 | 0:26:27 | |
and everything American. | 0:26:27 | 0:26:29 | |
Here was this man actually painting the human figure... | 0:26:29 | 0:26:33 | |
..in this quite shocking way, at that time. | 0:26:34 | 0:26:39 | |
Bacon had a slowly growing reputation, | 0:26:40 | 0:26:44 | |
but he was an extremely difficult artist. | 0:26:44 | 0:26:48 | |
So it took a great deal of time | 0:26:48 | 0:26:51 | |
for Bacon's imagery to become popular. | 0:26:51 | 0:26:54 | |
But bit by bit, exhibition by exhibition, | 0:26:54 | 0:26:57 | |
collector by collector, | 0:26:57 | 0:27:00 | |
Bacon's reputation was being made. | 0:27:00 | 0:27:02 | |
Peter Lacy said at this particular point, "You can come and live with me." | 0:27:05 | 0:27:09 | |
And Bacon said, "Well, what does living with you mean?" | 0:27:09 | 0:27:13 | |
And Lacy said, "Well, I could chain you to the wall." | 0:27:13 | 0:27:18 | |
And Bacon said, "Well, the thing is, I did terribly want to paint." | 0:27:18 | 0:27:23 | |
And so because of that, Lacy started visiting Tangier. | 0:27:26 | 0:27:29 | |
By that time, the relationship had broken down. | 0:27:33 | 0:27:36 | |
Bacon felt he needed to go to another stage. | 0:27:38 | 0:27:41 | |
He wanted to go to the very top. | 0:27:41 | 0:27:44 | |
And there was a powerful and relatively new gallery | 0:27:44 | 0:27:48 | |
called Marlborough Fine Art. | 0:27:48 | 0:27:50 | |
Bacon had been considering leaving Erica and the Hanover Gallery for some time. | 0:27:51 | 0:27:56 | |
Because he was quite overwhelmed by debts. | 0:27:56 | 0:27:58 | |
The Marlborough Gallery, for example, had deeper pockets, | 0:27:58 | 0:28:01 | |
could pay a kind of salary. | 0:28:01 | 0:28:03 | |
They were like a cash flow for him. | 0:28:03 | 0:28:05 | |
I remember going in with him to pick up a wad of cash | 0:28:05 | 0:28:09 | |
so that he could go on, sort of, inviting everybody in sight | 0:28:09 | 0:28:12 | |
to champagne and dinner afterwards and then go and play the tables. | 0:28:12 | 0:28:16 | |
And the great attraction of the time for the Marlborough was what? | 0:28:17 | 0:28:21 | |
Well, they've got, | 0:28:21 | 0:28:23 | |
as they have galleries all over the world, | 0:28:23 | 0:28:25 | |
perhaps they thought they could do something with me. | 0:28:25 | 0:28:28 | |
Frank Lloyd, the owner, partner of Marlborough... | 0:28:30 | 0:28:34 | |
realised that, I think, that Francis was going to be the golden goose, | 0:28:34 | 0:28:38 | |
if they... | 0:28:38 | 0:28:40 | |
..marketed properly. | 0:28:41 | 0:28:42 | |
He did need a lot of managing. | 0:28:42 | 0:28:45 | |
And the only release for the paintings came through Valerie. | 0:28:45 | 0:28:50 | |
She was my direct boss. | 0:28:50 | 0:28:52 | |
Francis Bacon's life at Marlborough revolved to a huge extent | 0:28:52 | 0:28:56 | |
around Valerie Beston, or as he called her, | 0:28:56 | 0:28:58 | |
Valerie from the Gallery. | 0:28:58 | 0:29:00 | |
She was always there for him. | 0:29:00 | 0:29:02 | |
It was as if Bacon was the love of her life. | 0:29:02 | 0:29:05 | |
And she was, you know, completely 100% devoted, | 0:29:05 | 0:29:09 | |
in the same way that Erica Brausen had been initially in his career. | 0:29:09 | 0:29:13 | |
I mean, they were saying to Bacon, | 0:29:13 | 0:29:14 | |
we will give you exhibitions at the Tate, | 0:29:14 | 0:29:17 | |
and they absolutely delivered on their promises. | 0:29:17 | 0:29:20 | |
You know, within three years he'd got the first Tate retrospective. | 0:29:20 | 0:29:24 | |
There were many critics who still did not like Bacon's work. | 0:29:30 | 0:29:34 | |
The Tate retrospective in 1962, I think was very important for him. | 0:29:34 | 0:29:39 | |
At that stage Peter Lacy was in Morocco. | 0:29:39 | 0:29:43 | |
A lot of people of that time were saying that | 0:29:43 | 0:29:45 | |
he was just, like, this very sad figure playing away at the piano, | 0:29:45 | 0:29:48 | |
almost like paying off his alcoholic debts. | 0:29:48 | 0:29:51 | |
Francis writes to Denis, saying, | 0:29:51 | 0:29:53 | |
"I've heard that he's falling to pieces. | 0:29:53 | 0:29:55 | |
"Can you find out for me? | 0:29:55 | 0:29:57 | |
"I really need to know, I can't concentrate on anything." | 0:29:57 | 0:29:59 | |
Bacon is | 0:30:00 | 0:30:02 | |
feeling pity for Peter. | 0:30:02 | 0:30:05 | |
"I'm totally upset over Peter. | 0:30:05 | 0:30:08 | |
"I can't bear to see anyone suffer because of me." | 0:30:08 | 0:30:11 | |
I think Bacon created best when he was himself most disturbed, | 0:30:12 | 0:30:18 | |
most at sea. | 0:30:18 | 0:30:20 | |
Francis used to say, "I've used everybody in my life." | 0:30:23 | 0:30:27 | |
He does go into a kind of crisis. | 0:30:30 | 0:30:32 | |
That may have been what was happening with Bacon at that time. | 0:30:32 | 0:30:35 | |
I think that was to do with his inner need to renew his art, | 0:30:35 | 0:30:40 | |
to not repeat himself, to stretch. | 0:30:40 | 0:30:44 | |
He did a painting right before the 1962 Tate exhibition called, | 0:30:48 | 0:30:51 | |
I believe it was called Three Studies for a Crucifixion. | 0:30:51 | 0:30:55 | |
It's an indication of where he wants to go. | 0:30:55 | 0:30:59 | |
It's a blood-red and black triptych. | 0:31:00 | 0:31:03 | |
In the left-hand panel there is a paternal figure, | 0:31:05 | 0:31:09 | |
more or less telling a smaller figure to go. | 0:31:09 | 0:31:15 | |
I've always thought of that as Bacon being thrown out of the house. | 0:31:17 | 0:31:20 | |
In the middle there is a scene, | 0:31:22 | 0:31:24 | |
a really bloody mangled scene on a bed. | 0:31:24 | 0:31:28 | |
It's the most extreme expression of the horror he felt about his life, | 0:31:29 | 0:31:33 | |
I think, and what it felt to be... | 0:31:33 | 0:31:34 | |
..Francis Bacon and all the horrors he'd witnessed. | 0:31:35 | 0:31:38 | |
And he did describe the central panel | 0:31:38 | 0:31:41 | |
as someone shot to pieces on a bed. | 0:31:41 | 0:31:44 | |
And that's not normal language, not just from him, | 0:31:44 | 0:31:47 | |
but for a Bacon painting. | 0:31:47 | 0:31:48 | |
And in this case, well, it does look like someone shot to pieces on a bed. | 0:31:48 | 0:31:52 | |
It looks like a murder has taken place. | 0:31:52 | 0:31:55 | |
He would almost empty himself of his darkest, | 0:31:56 | 0:32:01 | |
bitterest thoughts on canvas and be purified. | 0:32:01 | 0:32:06 | |
But of course he was Jekyll and Hyde | 0:32:07 | 0:32:10 | |
and so the two sides were there in the man. | 0:32:10 | 0:32:14 | |
I remember going to the big '62 retrospective at the Tate... | 0:32:17 | 0:32:20 | |
..and I had a very nice girlfriend | 0:32:22 | 0:32:24 | |
who was vegetarian, though she converted, | 0:32:24 | 0:32:28 | |
under my tutelage, to meat, but she didn't convert to Bacon. | 0:32:28 | 0:32:31 | |
I think that was when he really came out as a superstar, | 0:32:33 | 0:32:36 | |
in Britain anyway. | 0:32:36 | 0:32:38 | |
And I think he saw, this was a perfect moment for him to shine and, | 0:32:38 | 0:32:42 | |
my God, shine he did. | 0:32:42 | 0:32:44 | |
But amongst the telegrams of congratulation, | 0:32:49 | 0:32:52 | |
he got one from Tangier saying | 0:32:52 | 0:32:55 | |
that his great love, Peter Lacy, had just died. | 0:32:55 | 0:32:59 | |
Bacon was convinced it was a suicide. | 0:33:01 | 0:33:04 | |
He talked about it as a suicide. | 0:33:04 | 0:33:06 | |
And that Peter almost deliberately aimed for it to happen | 0:33:07 | 0:33:12 | |
on the day his show opened. | 0:33:12 | 0:33:15 | |
The painting of where Peter Lacy is buried was an enormously... | 0:33:18 | 0:33:24 | |
enormously powerful painting, full of, you can't call it love exactly, | 0:33:24 | 0:33:29 | |
but full of... | 0:33:29 | 0:33:31 | |
..sort of, dark sexual obsession. | 0:33:32 | 0:33:35 | |
The violence in Bacon's pictures calls forth equally violent reactions. | 0:33:42 | 0:33:47 | |
David Sylvester was one of the first critics | 0:33:49 | 0:33:51 | |
to recognise Bacon as an important artist. | 0:33:51 | 0:33:54 | |
Actually in your work, as a whole, | 0:33:54 | 0:33:55 | |
there are relatively few paintings that | 0:33:55 | 0:33:57 | |
have ostensible subjects which might be called horrific. | 0:33:57 | 0:34:01 | |
And most of them are fairly straight subjects, | 0:34:02 | 0:34:05 | |
figures seated in rooms and so on. | 0:34:05 | 0:34:07 | |
And yet, people have a sense that your work as a whole is horrific. | 0:34:07 | 0:34:11 | |
David Sylvester was enormously important | 0:34:11 | 0:34:14 | |
in that he was the PR man for Francis. | 0:34:14 | 0:34:17 | |
And he did a damned good job. | 0:34:17 | 0:34:20 | |
Because he was widely listened to. | 0:34:20 | 0:34:22 | |
He was never off the BBC, where he could, | 0:34:22 | 0:34:24 | |
he could hear the sound of his own voice. | 0:34:24 | 0:34:27 | |
And he was... | 0:34:27 | 0:34:28 | |
..perfect for Francis. | 0:34:30 | 0:34:31 | |
I must have another drink. | 0:34:31 | 0:34:34 | |
We might rest for a minute. | 0:34:35 | 0:34:37 | |
Can we rest for a moment, or not, or must it go on? | 0:34:37 | 0:34:40 | |
Bacon and Sylvester together created a manifesto | 0:34:44 | 0:34:48 | |
of his inner life as an artist. | 0:34:48 | 0:34:51 | |
Those interviews had a very big impact on many, | 0:34:52 | 0:34:54 | |
especially young artists. | 0:34:54 | 0:34:56 | |
When I was a student I completely devoured the David Sylvester interviews. | 0:34:58 | 0:35:01 | |
It's like I read that constantly, over and over and over again. | 0:35:01 | 0:35:04 | |
I think that was one of the greatest things about Bacon, | 0:35:04 | 0:35:06 | |
was those interviews. Because he... | 0:35:06 | 0:35:08 | |
It was just a new way of being interviewed, | 0:35:08 | 0:35:10 | |
and it was kind of so fresh and exciting and it was like, | 0:35:10 | 0:35:13 | |
you know, playful. | 0:35:13 | 0:35:14 | |
It was like, you know, in denial. | 0:35:14 | 0:35:16 | |
It just made you think differently about the paintings. | 0:35:16 | 0:35:18 | |
He was nothing if not totally controlling | 0:35:18 | 0:35:22 | |
of the people around him and the | 0:35:22 | 0:35:25 | |
way his work was perceived. | 0:35:25 | 0:35:28 | |
But I think Bacon the public persona | 0:35:28 | 0:35:32 | |
was, to some extent, a way of shielding his images. | 0:35:32 | 0:35:38 | |
He was just, you know, finding a way to sort of avoid the questions, | 0:35:38 | 0:35:41 | |
to keep the painting fresh, to keep you looking at the painting, | 0:35:41 | 0:35:44 | |
to never give you answers. | 0:35:44 | 0:35:45 | |
Francis attracted a certain amount of awe. | 0:35:45 | 0:35:48 | |
He was quite a frightening fellow, or had been in his prime. | 0:35:48 | 0:35:52 | |
And also a certain amount of oiling up to. | 0:35:52 | 0:35:54 | |
So I think the cult, or the fame, was built up in the '60s. | 0:35:54 | 0:35:59 | |
He's got his new studio in Reece Mews, | 0:36:05 | 0:36:07 | |
I think it was very important to him. | 0:36:07 | 0:36:09 | |
He felt he'd got his own space, | 0:36:09 | 0:36:11 | |
he could really get to work and do what he wanted to say powerfully. | 0:36:11 | 0:36:15 | |
We are in a wonderful little secret mews | 0:36:17 | 0:36:20 | |
just off of South Ken, called Reece Mews. | 0:36:20 | 0:36:24 | |
I first came to know it when I met Lionel Bart. | 0:36:24 | 0:36:27 | |
His neighbour turned out to be Francis Bacon. | 0:36:27 | 0:36:33 | |
He was very funny. | 0:36:33 | 0:36:35 | |
He was very witty. He was very clever. | 0:36:35 | 0:36:38 | |
But there was a kind of an underlying kind of melancholy about him. | 0:36:38 | 0:36:42 | |
But Lionel Bart told me that in his kitchen there were loads of | 0:36:42 | 0:36:46 | |
photographs, and he'd noticed there were rather a lot of me, you know. | 0:36:46 | 0:36:52 | |
And Lionel said to him, | 0:36:52 | 0:36:54 | |
"Oh, you think... You know, you like Terence?" | 0:36:54 | 0:36:58 | |
And Francis said, | 0:36:58 | 0:37:02 | |
"God, the two most handsomest men in the world | 0:37:02 | 0:37:06 | |
"are Terence Stamp and Colonel Gaddafi!" | 0:37:06 | 0:37:10 | |
I thought, "Yeah, Colonel Gaddafi would give him a good hiding," you know? | 0:37:10 | 0:37:13 | |
HE LAUGHS | 0:37:13 | 0:37:15 | |
I'd just knock on his door if I was passing and if he would open the door, | 0:37:15 | 0:37:20 | |
sometimes he'd invite me in, sometimes he wouldn't. | 0:37:20 | 0:37:23 | |
And sometimes when he invited me in I realised he was the middle of something. | 0:37:23 | 0:37:28 | |
It struck me that it was a very private thing that was happening. | 0:37:28 | 0:37:32 | |
And...he had to devote himself completely to it. | 0:37:32 | 0:37:37 | |
As an artist, Bacon was always trying to do it a bit better, you know? | 0:37:42 | 0:37:47 | |
You know, you've never arrived, | 0:37:47 | 0:37:49 | |
there wouldn't be much point if you'd arrived. | 0:37:49 | 0:37:51 | |
You know, he would have stopped painting in 1962, | 0:37:51 | 0:37:54 | |
or something, if he was satisfied. | 0:37:54 | 0:37:57 | |
How are you going to trap reality? | 0:37:57 | 0:38:01 | |
How are you going to trap appearance | 0:38:01 | 0:38:02 | |
without making an illustration of it? | 0:38:02 | 0:38:05 | |
And that is one of the great fights and one of the great excitements | 0:38:05 | 0:38:09 | |
of being, of being a figurative artist today. | 0:38:09 | 0:38:12 | |
It was a moment that he was beginning to look to | 0:38:13 | 0:38:17 | |
the people that he was friends with, | 0:38:17 | 0:38:21 | |
beginning to think about painting the people | 0:38:21 | 0:38:24 | |
he felt he knew inside out. | 0:38:24 | 0:38:26 | |
I mean, he had a great love of people. | 0:38:26 | 0:38:29 | |
And a vulnerability to them. | 0:38:30 | 0:38:32 | |
The artist doesn't choose the subject, | 0:38:32 | 0:38:35 | |
the subject chooses the artist. | 0:38:35 | 0:38:38 | |
But there was his subject. | 0:38:38 | 0:38:40 | |
I only am able to paint people or portraits of people that I know very well | 0:38:40 | 0:38:46 | |
and I've looked at a great deal. | 0:38:46 | 0:38:48 | |
And that I have analysed, and know the structure of their face. | 0:38:48 | 0:38:54 | |
I find that the person there inhibits me. | 0:38:54 | 0:38:58 | |
And then I use... I look at photographs. | 0:38:58 | 0:39:01 | |
So the photographs and everything get trodden on, | 0:39:01 | 0:39:03 | |
they get even changed into other things. | 0:39:03 | 0:39:06 | |
And those often are in themselves extremely interesting. | 0:39:06 | 0:39:11 | |
The presence of the person in a portrait | 0:39:13 | 0:39:16 | |
is so fully there because he managed to empty himself | 0:39:16 | 0:39:19 | |
of everything, so that that person could come | 0:39:19 | 0:39:22 | |
through him and onto the canvas. | 0:39:22 | 0:39:25 | |
Of course men were a great subject for him, and the male body. | 0:39:25 | 0:39:29 | |
Women were also extremely important to Bacon, | 0:39:29 | 0:39:32 | |
both personally and in terms of his art. | 0:39:32 | 0:39:35 | |
He had a need for family and he sort of put a lot of women into that role. | 0:39:35 | 0:39:41 | |
And he had a number of those throughout his life. | 0:39:41 | 0:39:43 | |
IN FRENCH: | 0:39:46 | 0:39:49 | |
You look at the women he chose to paint, | 0:40:10 | 0:40:13 | |
they have very strong characteristics in common. | 0:40:13 | 0:40:18 | |
Muriel had a very strong visage | 0:40:18 | 0:40:20 | |
that was almost imperial, | 0:40:20 | 0:40:22 | |
and it was easy for him, in a sense, | 0:40:22 | 0:40:25 | |
to convey exactly that | 0:40:25 | 0:40:26 | |
strength of character that she had. | 0:40:26 | 0:40:29 | |
Isabel Rawsthrone was another, | 0:40:29 | 0:40:33 | |
a woman of almost staggering physical presence. | 0:40:33 | 0:40:37 | |
And Henrietta Moraes, who was curvaceous, | 0:40:37 | 0:40:40 | |
but she was also very, very strong. | 0:40:40 | 0:40:43 | |
I first met Henrietta Moraes across a big lunch table | 0:40:43 | 0:40:50 | |
and it was like being opposite a Bacon painting. | 0:40:50 | 0:40:55 | |
I mean, it was almost as if she wasn't real | 0:40:55 | 0:40:58 | |
because of his portraits of Henrietta. | 0:40:58 | 0:41:02 | |
Henrietta is one of the most interesting of the Soho characters. | 0:41:06 | 0:41:10 | |
She, like many others, | 0:41:10 | 0:41:12 | |
could not wait to get away from her convent past | 0:41:12 | 0:41:14 | |
and get into the life of Soho. | 0:41:14 | 0:41:17 | |
Hen? She was amazing, | 0:41:17 | 0:41:20 | |
she was one of the most wonderful people I've ever known. | 0:41:20 | 0:41:23 | |
No wonder Francis adored her, you know? | 0:41:25 | 0:41:29 | |
And Francis understood, you know. | 0:41:29 | 0:41:32 | |
He was Irish, he understood how hard it is | 0:41:32 | 0:41:37 | |
if you've been through that terrible sort of Catholicism thing. | 0:41:37 | 0:41:42 | |
How dreadfully hard it is to break out of it and get free. | 0:41:42 | 0:41:48 | |
He was never burdened by that, was he? He was never burdened by that guilt? | 0:41:48 | 0:41:52 | |
Well, if he was, it was... I think he was a bit. | 0:41:52 | 0:41:55 | |
Actually, I'm sorry, but I think he was. | 0:41:55 | 0:41:58 | |
Henrietta always said to me, | 0:41:59 | 0:42:02 | |
"Ah, yes, perhaps he doth protest too much." | 0:42:02 | 0:42:06 | |
I think he painted Henrietta 15 times. | 0:42:07 | 0:42:09 | |
I mean, his work can be seen as a search for God. | 0:42:09 | 0:42:14 | |
Although he would probably certainly deny it. | 0:42:14 | 0:42:18 | |
His sort of frustration, if you like, with not finding God. | 0:42:18 | 0:42:25 | |
'When you paint anything, you ask the same...' | 0:42:25 | 0:42:27 | |
You are also painting not only the subject, | 0:42:27 | 0:42:31 | |
but you are painting yourself | 0:42:31 | 0:42:33 | |
as well as, as the object that you're trying to record. | 0:42:33 | 0:42:37 | |
One time she didn't like, | 0:42:45 | 0:42:47 | |
was there was one of the pictures where he had a hypodermic in her arm. | 0:42:47 | 0:42:53 | |
-It was a hypodermic syringe. -BACON: -It was a hypodermic syringe. | 0:42:53 | 0:42:56 | |
But I wanted something to nail the image, the figure, as it were, | 0:42:58 | 0:43:03 | |
to the...to the bed. | 0:43:03 | 0:43:04 | |
And it looked more logical with a hypodermic syringe. | 0:43:04 | 0:43:09 | |
I couldn't put a nail through their arm, | 0:43:09 | 0:43:12 | |
so it was much easier to put a hypodermic syringe. | 0:43:12 | 0:43:15 | |
But it wasn't an attempt suggest that the person was a drug addict? | 0:43:15 | 0:43:18 | |
I can see what Francis was getting at, | 0:43:21 | 0:43:24 | |
but I can also see that Henrietta didn't want that. | 0:43:24 | 0:43:28 | |
Henrietta herself later, looking back at it said, you know, in effect, | 0:43:30 | 0:43:35 | |
"Oh, my God, who could have known? This is prescience, | 0:43:35 | 0:43:39 | |
"and it's foreshadowing what was going to happen to my life that was to come," | 0:43:39 | 0:43:43 | |
which was indeed much more druggy than, you know, | 0:43:43 | 0:43:46 | |
Francis Bacon could have anticipated at the time he'd painted it. | 0:43:46 | 0:43:50 | |
You know, we weren't really in the same crowd. | 0:43:50 | 0:43:54 | |
I was much younger. | 0:43:54 | 0:43:57 | |
And I was smoking hash and taking LSD and Francis was a drinker. | 0:43:57 | 0:44:04 | |
But then, once I had left Mick and my life kind of fell apart, really, | 0:44:04 | 0:44:12 | |
and I was living on a wall in St Anne's Court, on heroin. | 0:44:12 | 0:44:19 | |
So I didn't feel the cold. | 0:44:19 | 0:44:23 | |
And I also had, but I didn't know it, anorexia. | 0:44:23 | 0:44:27 | |
And I must have been on Francis's route from the French | 0:44:27 | 0:44:33 | |
to Wheeler's or something like that. | 0:44:33 | 0:44:36 | |
And not all the time, but every now and again | 0:44:36 | 0:44:40 | |
Francis would go past my wall and sort of pick me up | 0:44:40 | 0:44:44 | |
and take me to Wheeler's and feed me. | 0:44:44 | 0:44:48 | |
And the most wonderful thing about it, apart from the food, of course, | 0:44:48 | 0:44:55 | |
was that he never commented or judged | 0:44:55 | 0:44:59 | |
or said anything about my strange life, you know? | 0:44:59 | 0:45:05 | |
Me, at 22, living on a wall in Soho, | 0:45:05 | 0:45:10 | |
with the meths drinkers and all that, you know? | 0:45:10 | 0:45:14 | |
He never made any judgment or said a word. | 0:45:14 | 0:45:18 | |
We had a wonderful time, we talked about absolutely everything. | 0:45:18 | 0:45:23 | |
And that's when I told him about my great-great-uncle Leopold, | 0:45:23 | 0:45:28 | |
which, of course, he knew all about, | 0:45:28 | 0:45:31 | |
and we discussed de Sade and masochism | 0:45:31 | 0:45:36 | |
and lots of very interesting things | 0:45:36 | 0:45:39 | |
that I didn't realise till much later | 0:45:39 | 0:45:43 | |
how interesting they were to Francis, of course. | 0:45:43 | 0:45:47 | |
But I guessed something was up. | 0:45:49 | 0:45:51 | |
He was obsessed by sex. | 0:45:56 | 0:45:58 | |
He was plugged into all sorts of different things | 0:46:00 | 0:46:04 | |
that most people aren't aware of. | 0:46:04 | 0:46:08 | |
When we were out, at certain moments he'd sort of almost | 0:46:10 | 0:46:13 | |
walk through a wall into a different world. | 0:46:13 | 0:46:17 | |
And disappear. | 0:46:17 | 0:46:19 | |
And what happened then, I don't know. | 0:46:19 | 0:46:21 | |
The next day he'd reappear in a damaged state, you know, | 0:46:39 | 0:46:43 | |
barely able to walk or turn his head. | 0:46:43 | 0:46:46 | |
And there was no point in sort of saying, "Well, what happened, Francis?" | 0:46:46 | 0:46:51 | |
Because he'd, at best, he'd just, you know, | 0:46:51 | 0:46:55 | |
he'd just fix you with a sort of basilisk stare and say, "What do you mean?" | 0:46:55 | 0:47:00 | |
I was fast asleep one night when the phone went and Valerie Beston said, | 0:47:07 | 0:47:12 | |
"Paul, quickly, quickly, you've got to come to Reece Mews." | 0:47:12 | 0:47:15 | |
I've got there and he had | 0:47:15 | 0:47:18 | |
a huge injury, right the way across | 0:47:18 | 0:47:22 | |
from his left eye right the way across, | 0:47:22 | 0:47:25 | |
right round the right eye. | 0:47:25 | 0:47:27 | |
All the skin had been broken and he was in a terrible mess. | 0:47:27 | 0:47:31 | |
And I said, "Francis, you need a plastic surgeon." | 0:47:31 | 0:47:35 | |
"No," he said, "you sew me up now." | 0:47:35 | 0:47:38 | |
I said, "I'll put some local anaesthetic in." | 0:47:38 | 0:47:40 | |
He said, "No, I don't want any local anaesthetic." | 0:47:40 | 0:47:43 | |
That's the only time I realised that he quite enjoyed being hurt. | 0:47:43 | 0:47:49 | |
Francis liked the criminal side of London, you know? | 0:47:49 | 0:47:52 | |
He liked the kind of... | 0:47:52 | 0:47:55 | |
sordidness of London, | 0:47:55 | 0:47:58 | |
all that kind of East End dross | 0:47:58 | 0:48:01 | |
and knowing all those kind of people. | 0:48:01 | 0:48:04 | |
Or wanting to know all those kind of people. | 0:48:06 | 0:48:08 | |
George Dyer came on the scene as this | 0:48:12 | 0:48:16 | |
tough, well-built muscular boxer-like East End thug. | 0:48:16 | 0:48:22 | |
And I think through George he, you know, was able... | 0:48:22 | 0:48:25 | |
George and George's family, through all that, | 0:48:25 | 0:48:29 | |
he got to know, you know, quite a lot of bad boys, | 0:48:29 | 0:48:32 | |
including the Krays. | 0:48:32 | 0:48:34 | |
Who did come knocking on his door. Cos they wanted a painting. | 0:48:34 | 0:48:38 | |
I like painting good-looking people. | 0:48:39 | 0:48:42 | |
Because I like their bone structure. | 0:48:42 | 0:48:44 | |
I loathe my own. | 0:48:44 | 0:48:46 | |
But little by little it became apparent | 0:48:48 | 0:48:51 | |
that however sort of virile | 0:48:51 | 0:48:52 | |
and thug-like he looked, he was actually a very nice, lost young man. | 0:48:52 | 0:48:59 | |
George was obviously rather reticent with the whip. | 0:49:01 | 0:49:04 | |
So, little by little, | 0:49:04 | 0:49:06 | |
Francis became disabused because George had been, in that sense, a disappointment. | 0:49:06 | 0:49:13 | |
He was a kind of very feeble East End thug, | 0:49:13 | 0:49:15 | |
and he liked children and animals and cuddling. | 0:49:15 | 0:49:18 | |
Bacon said, "Oh, I hate the billing and cooing of sex. I just like the sex." | 0:49:18 | 0:49:22 | |
And he wanted George to rape him and George wanted to cuddle. | 0:49:22 | 0:49:25 | |
Francis confided just about everything to do with his relationship with George. | 0:49:27 | 0:49:32 | |
And it seemed that the sexual relationship had a real downturn. | 0:49:32 | 0:49:37 | |
George was suffering from erectile dysfunction. | 0:49:38 | 0:49:41 | |
It seems to me that Francis had emasculated George, | 0:49:43 | 0:49:47 | |
he found what he saw as the typical rough East Ender that he longed | 0:49:47 | 0:49:53 | |
to find, and then he did that job of emasculating him. | 0:49:53 | 0:49:57 | |
Francis did his best to make George Dyer | 0:49:58 | 0:50:01 | |
into something. And I think he did that on canvas. | 0:50:01 | 0:50:05 | |
Bacon was violent in the way he painted, | 0:50:07 | 0:50:11 | |
he was sadistic in the way he took apart George | 0:50:11 | 0:50:15 | |
with missing ears and missing jaws | 0:50:15 | 0:50:18 | |
and missing eyes, missing everything, really. | 0:50:18 | 0:50:21 | |
George was a bit appalled by the whole thing. | 0:50:22 | 0:50:26 | |
He saw all of these rich people standing around sort of, you know, | 0:50:26 | 0:50:29 | |
in this smart gallery. | 0:50:29 | 0:50:33 | |
He said to me, you know, "I think they're 'orrible. | 0:50:33 | 0:50:36 | |
"They're really 'orrible." | 0:50:36 | 0:50:39 | |
He said, "And he thinks I look like that!" | 0:50:39 | 0:50:41 | |
George knew all the prices for the pictures. | 0:50:44 | 0:50:46 | |
And he said, "And these people go and pay fucking thousands of pounds for 'em." | 0:50:46 | 0:50:53 | |
I mean, he portrays him as a kind of idiot. | 0:50:55 | 0:50:57 | |
He has things with what looks almost like | 0:50:57 | 0:50:59 | |
a nappy on his head or something. | 0:50:59 | 0:51:02 | |
And dressed as a baby. | 0:51:02 | 0:51:04 | |
I mean, need I say more? | 0:51:04 | 0:51:06 | |
There were certainly moments when things were firing up between them. | 0:51:13 | 0:51:20 | |
They had lovers' tiffs. | 0:51:20 | 0:51:22 | |
The one time when Francis phoned me and said, "You have to come round, | 0:51:22 | 0:51:27 | |
"you have to come round right away because George has gone berserk | 0:51:27 | 0:51:30 | |
"and all my suits are in the bath and he's poured paint all over them | 0:51:30 | 0:51:33 | |
"and he's trampling up and down." | 0:51:33 | 0:51:35 | |
And I went round. | 0:51:35 | 0:51:37 | |
And I couldn't get in because the front door was barred. | 0:51:37 | 0:51:42 | |
So I had to back the vehicle up, | 0:51:42 | 0:51:44 | |
get up onto the roof and go through the window where I was nearly | 0:51:44 | 0:51:49 | |
throttled by George until he realised who it was. | 0:51:49 | 0:51:52 | |
And he had, in fact, | 0:51:52 | 0:51:54 | |
thrown two thirds of the furniture down the staircase. | 0:51:54 | 0:51:58 | |
Dyer is fighting, in a way... | 0:52:00 | 0:52:03 | |
He's just going downhill, downhill, downhill, | 0:52:03 | 0:52:06 | |
it must have been terrible to watch. | 0:52:06 | 0:52:07 | |
So it's almost like a desperate attempt to get back in with Bacon | 0:52:07 | 0:52:10 | |
and show Bacon that he is still a man. | 0:52:10 | 0:52:13 | |
Francis was painting fewer pictures of George. | 0:52:13 | 0:52:17 | |
He was weary of him, I think. | 0:52:17 | 0:52:18 | |
Weary of his problems, of his drinking, of his carousing, | 0:52:18 | 0:52:22 | |
of his unhappiness, perhaps. | 0:52:22 | 0:52:25 | |
His better judgment told him that he needed to be shot of Dyer. | 0:52:25 | 0:52:28 | |
Bacon began moving away from George. | 0:52:28 | 0:52:30 | |
He looked more to Paris, at a time when other British artists were | 0:52:33 | 0:52:37 | |
resolutely not looking to Paris. | 0:52:37 | 0:52:40 | |
I think Bacon's interest in France goes all the way back to 1928, | 0:52:41 | 0:52:47 | |
on his first trip there. | 0:52:47 | 0:52:49 | |
IN FRENCH: | 0:52:50 | 0:52:53 | |
In 1971, getting a show at the Grand Palais | 0:53:18 | 0:53:21 | |
was the great moment of his life. | 0:53:21 | 0:53:24 | |
It was the turning point. | 0:53:24 | 0:53:26 | |
Huge. The first English artist to be offered the Grand Palais. | 0:53:26 | 0:53:30 | |
So, really, really big time. | 0:53:30 | 0:53:33 | |
It was very important this went well. | 0:53:33 | 0:53:35 | |
I understand that the British embassy were very worried in case | 0:53:35 | 0:53:39 | |
a typical Bacon scene erupted and it was, you know, | 0:53:39 | 0:53:41 | |
something terrible happened there. | 0:53:41 | 0:53:43 | |
George, Francis, myself, Miss Beston, | 0:53:43 | 0:53:47 | |
all had rooms in this particular hotel. | 0:53:47 | 0:53:51 | |
Everybody else was saying, "Don't bring George, he'll ruin everything." | 0:53:51 | 0:53:55 | |
Dicky and Denis and some others with Francis had gone out and they saw the venue. | 0:53:55 | 0:53:59 | |
And there was a big red carpet and there were the soldiers standing there. | 0:53:59 | 0:54:04 | |
They all described to me these leather boots up to the knees | 0:54:04 | 0:54:08 | |
and the red stripe up the soldiers' tight trousers. | 0:54:08 | 0:54:10 | |
And they were fairly taken by this. | 0:54:10 | 0:54:13 | |
They said Francis was... | 0:54:13 | 0:54:14 | |
You could see him sort of swell with pride at this. | 0:54:14 | 0:54:17 | |
And they went back to the hotel thinking this was going to be a good evening. | 0:54:17 | 0:54:20 | |
And Francis went up to his room. | 0:54:20 | 0:54:23 | |
There was a stink of drugs, unwashed bodies, dirty sex, and the rent boy, | 0:54:23 | 0:54:27 | |
the very dirty rent boy, who was in there with George. | 0:54:27 | 0:54:30 | |
And Francis was furious. | 0:54:30 | 0:54:33 | |
Dicky, Denis and Francis, they went drinking, they went gambling. | 0:54:33 | 0:54:38 | |
They had a four, five, six-course meal. | 0:54:38 | 0:54:41 | |
They hardly hurried home, knowing that George was in such a bad state. | 0:54:41 | 0:54:46 | |
I can't remember, exactly, the time, but it must have been sort of two o'clock in the morning. | 0:54:46 | 0:54:51 | |
There was a knock at my door and it was Francis. | 0:54:51 | 0:54:54 | |
And he said, could he come and spend the night in my room | 0:54:54 | 0:55:00 | |
cos I had double... You know, two beds. | 0:55:00 | 0:55:02 | |
Because George had brought home an Arab with smelly feet. | 0:55:02 | 0:55:08 | |
And it was so disgusting he couldn't stand it any longer. | 0:55:09 | 0:55:12 | |
And in the morning he said, | 0:55:16 | 0:55:19 | |
"Just go and see if George has got rid of the Arab." | 0:55:19 | 0:55:25 | |
There was no evidence of George being around, you know, | 0:55:25 | 0:55:29 | |
the bed was in a real state of disarray. | 0:55:29 | 0:55:33 | |
And I then checked with Miss Beston around the room, | 0:55:35 | 0:55:40 | |
and looked in the bathroom. | 0:55:40 | 0:55:43 | |
And George was on the toilet. | 0:55:43 | 0:55:46 | |
Apparently Miss Beston pushed him out of the way, went in there, | 0:55:46 | 0:55:49 | |
and did pulses and things like this and said, "No, he's dead." | 0:55:49 | 0:55:53 | |
I never even thought about it being a suicide attempt. | 0:55:55 | 0:55:58 | |
It could well have been. | 0:56:00 | 0:56:01 | |
We thought brought about by him being so drunk | 0:56:03 | 0:56:08 | |
and taking the wrong tablets. | 0:56:08 | 0:56:12 | |
And so she said, "Right, I'll take care of this." | 0:56:12 | 0:56:14 | |
And Terry was pushed out of the way. | 0:56:14 | 0:56:16 | |
And down she went. | 0:56:16 | 0:56:18 | |
And Valerie did the fixing to then make sure that | 0:56:18 | 0:56:22 | |
the death was found two days later. | 0:56:22 | 0:56:25 | |
I think it was a joint decision between Francis, | 0:56:25 | 0:56:29 | |
Valerie and the hotel manager. | 0:56:29 | 0:56:34 | |
Why was that decision made? | 0:56:34 | 0:56:36 | |
It might have put the opening in jeopardy. | 0:56:36 | 0:56:39 | |
It had to be sorted for Francis. | 0:56:40 | 0:56:43 | |
It was bizarre to think that, you know, | 0:56:45 | 0:56:48 | |
this body was going to be left in a hotel room overnight. | 0:56:48 | 0:56:52 | |
You know, it's a hell of a thing to decide not to report a dead body. | 0:56:57 | 0:57:02 | |
Whether that was Bacon's idea, you can't be sure. | 0:57:02 | 0:57:06 | |
You know? I mean, | 0:57:06 | 0:57:08 | |
it looks like maybe that's what happened, | 0:57:08 | 0:57:11 | |
but it's still a hell of a thing. | 0:57:11 | 0:57:12 | |
I mean, that's a crime. | 0:57:12 | 0:57:14 | |
Once the Grand Palais retrospective had opened, | 0:57:24 | 0:57:29 | |
the news began to sort of filter out, | 0:57:29 | 0:57:32 | |
and of course it got round with all the speed of bad news. | 0:57:32 | 0:57:35 | |
During the dinner, the whole room knew that George had committed suicide, | 0:57:35 | 0:57:40 | |
but up until then nobody had heard. | 0:57:40 | 0:57:43 | |
Francis himself was in the Grand Palais. | 0:57:43 | 0:57:45 | |
I think, it was as though he wasn't really there. | 0:57:45 | 0:57:48 | |
He seemed totally abstracted. He was pale, | 0:57:48 | 0:57:52 | |
but he went through with the dinner because he felt that it was better | 0:57:52 | 0:57:55 | |
to go through with it than to cancel. | 0:57:55 | 0:57:58 | |
So, the stories about Francis being told at the opening of his show and | 0:57:58 | 0:58:03 | |
him being so brave and going ahead with the show, | 0:58:03 | 0:58:06 | |
despite having been given this dramatic news, are absolute tosh. | 0:58:06 | 0:58:09 | |
He knew that two days before. Someone may well have gone up to him | 0:58:09 | 0:58:12 | |
and told him the story, but that was a bit of playacting. | 0:58:12 | 0:58:15 | |
There was a picture that the French had bought, a big triptych, | 0:58:15 | 0:58:18 | |
which actually has George sitting on a sort of beautifully painted | 0:58:18 | 0:58:23 | |
creamy white toilet. | 0:58:23 | 0:58:25 | |
And because the French state had just bought it, | 0:58:25 | 0:58:29 | |
President Pompidou paused for a long time in front of that image. | 0:58:29 | 0:58:33 | |
He had to stand there and talk about this image, | 0:58:33 | 0:58:38 | |
knowing that George had recently died in exactly that position. | 0:58:38 | 0:58:43 | |
IN FRENCH: | 0:58:46 | 0:58:49 | |
And it was all... | 0:59:11 | 0:59:13 | |
..awful and sad. | 0:59:18 | 0:59:21 | |
This tragic event... | 0:59:23 | 0:59:27 | |
..at the same time, gave him perhaps the deepest | 0:59:29 | 0:59:35 | |
subject he was ever to have in his life. | 0:59:35 | 0:59:38 | |
It seems a bit mad, | 0:59:38 | 0:59:40 | |
painting portraits of dead people. | 0:59:40 | 0:59:43 | |
After all, if their flesh has rotted away... | 0:59:43 | 0:59:47 | |
..once they're dead, | 0:59:49 | 0:59:51 | |
you have your memory of them, but... | 0:59:51 | 0:59:55 | |
-..you haven't got -them. | 0:59:57 | 0:59:59 | |
He actually went back to Paris to absorb the memories, | 1:00:04 | 1:00:09 | |
to relive the events. | 1:00:09 | 1:00:11 | |
And actually stayed in the same hotel | 1:00:11 | 1:00:14 | |
where George had killed himself. | 1:00:14 | 1:00:17 | |
And from this sort of well of guilt and grief he dredged up | 1:00:19 | 1:00:26 | |
these extraordinarily haunting images that are some of, I think, | 1:00:26 | 1:00:30 | |
the most profound images in painting. | 1:00:30 | 1:00:34 | |
When it came into the gallery... | 1:00:39 | 1:00:41 | |
..and I saw it for the first time... | 1:00:42 | 1:00:45 | |
..if Francis showed any emotion to the death, | 1:00:46 | 1:00:51 | |
the emotion was in that painting. | 1:00:51 | 1:00:52 | |
Everything that he felt | 1:00:54 | 1:00:57 | |
about George was in those paintings. | 1:00:57 | 1:01:00 | |
Maybe it was just about getting it out of his system. | 1:01:02 | 1:01:06 | |
So, paint them, get them out the studio, | 1:01:06 | 1:01:10 | |
and then maybe I'll feel better. | 1:01:10 | 1:01:12 | |
It got him recognition far beyond anything he'd ever had before. | 1:01:15 | 1:01:19 | |
It was the turning point in sales | 1:01:19 | 1:01:22 | |
and sort of international reputation. | 1:01:22 | 1:01:25 | |
HE YELLS | 1:01:31 | 1:01:33 | |
He was very much collected by very important film directors. | 1:01:44 | 1:01:49 | |
And influenced, of course, in the actual films, | 1:01:49 | 1:01:52 | |
Pasolini and Bertolucci. | 1:01:52 | 1:01:54 | |
He was au courant, you know? | 1:01:56 | 1:01:59 | |
And the power of his paintings fitted the period. | 1:01:59 | 1:02:02 | |
And he's a great inspiration. | 1:02:04 | 1:02:07 | |
'When I made Theorem with Pasolini,' | 1:02:16 | 1:02:19 | |
one day, he just showed up with this book. | 1:02:19 | 1:02:22 | |
And it was a book of Francis's paintings. | 1:02:22 | 1:02:25 | |
And he said, you know, "When you're talking to the son, | 1:02:25 | 1:02:28 | |
"you can kind of be flicking through this." | 1:02:28 | 1:02:30 | |
And I realised, "Oh, he knows about Francis." | 1:02:30 | 1:02:33 | |
It becomes self-perpetuating. | 1:02:33 | 1:02:36 | |
Francis Bacon, who already at that time, late '70s, was famous. | 1:02:36 | 1:02:40 | |
I was right next door. | 1:02:40 | 1:02:42 | |
And people would approach me | 1:02:42 | 1:02:44 | |
to try and get a painting on the cheap | 1:02:44 | 1:02:49 | |
without going through his gallery at Marlborough. | 1:02:49 | 1:02:51 | |
Or to be painted by him. | 1:02:51 | 1:02:53 | |
And I would fix little things for him, | 1:02:53 | 1:02:56 | |
like a leaky pipe, electricity problem. | 1:02:56 | 1:02:58 | |
Or I'd drive him somewhere. | 1:02:58 | 1:03:00 | |
We sort of fairly quickly got over the homosexual vibes, | 1:03:00 | 1:03:04 | |
if I put it that way. | 1:03:04 | 1:03:06 | |
We got into that and I said, I just do not fancy men. | 1:03:06 | 1:03:10 | |
BACON, IN FRENCH: | 1:03:10 | 1:03:16 | |
Bacon became a quite lonely man. | 1:03:28 | 1:03:31 | |
The ageing process is particularly hard on homosexuals. | 1:03:31 | 1:03:37 | |
So, he was in a position of diminished physical beauty, as it were. | 1:03:37 | 1:03:44 | |
I went a few times with Francis to the West End gay clubs. | 1:03:44 | 1:03:48 | |
Sometimes John Edwards was there, sometimes not. | 1:03:48 | 1:03:50 | |
John was like a son he never had. | 1:03:50 | 1:03:53 | |
A friend. | 1:03:53 | 1:03:55 | |
He really, really cared for John. | 1:03:55 | 1:03:57 | |
John Edwards came into his life in a curious fashion. | 1:03:57 | 1:04:01 | |
He ran, or helped to run, a pub in the East End. | 1:04:01 | 1:04:05 | |
And Bacon had been there and said he'd come back with some friends. | 1:04:05 | 1:04:09 | |
And asked John to stock in some champagne. | 1:04:09 | 1:04:13 | |
And then Bacon didn't turn up. John was mightily pissed off. | 1:04:13 | 1:04:16 | |
And at some point, in The Colony Room, told him. | 1:04:16 | 1:04:19 | |
And this amused Bacon. | 1:04:19 | 1:04:21 | |
Within a short space of time, they became inseparable. | 1:04:21 | 1:04:26 | |
They were... | 1:04:26 | 1:04:28 | |
They were a team, like Laurel and Hardy. | 1:04:28 | 1:04:30 | |
They belonged together. | 1:04:30 | 1:04:32 | |
They just became a very unusual loving relationship. But no sex. | 1:04:32 | 1:04:37 | |
The important thing about the Edwards relationship was that it was | 1:04:37 | 1:04:40 | |
paternal, but it's not always clear who is the father and who is the son. | 1:04:40 | 1:04:45 | |
Oh, come in, John. | 1:04:46 | 1:04:48 | |
I'm glad you came down. | 1:04:49 | 1:04:52 | |
John, David is just asking me the most difficult question. | 1:04:52 | 1:04:57 | |
The pictures of Edwards are often | 1:04:57 | 1:05:00 | |
quite eroticised and quite gentle, you know. | 1:05:00 | 1:05:03 | |
Yes, he has pieces of him that disappear, | 1:05:03 | 1:05:06 | |
yes, he might be leaking, his form | 1:05:06 | 1:05:08 | |
might be leaking onto the ground, | 1:05:08 | 1:05:10 | |
but not with the kind of violence or | 1:05:10 | 1:05:12 | |
brutality that you see in Bacon's earlier paintings. | 1:05:12 | 1:05:16 | |
I often think of the Tempest in Shakespeare, | 1:05:22 | 1:05:24 | |
that there's a sort of, almost an eerie calm in Bacon's later work. | 1:05:24 | 1:05:32 | |
There's something rather beautiful and simplified. | 1:05:32 | 1:05:35 | |
A new period, a third period of Bacon's work, the late landscapes. | 1:05:39 | 1:05:44 | |
Bacon only did about ten of them before he died, | 1:05:44 | 1:05:47 | |
but that's a discreet body of late work which is absolutely great, | 1:05:47 | 1:05:53 | |
and some of his greatest work. | 1:05:53 | 1:05:55 | |
He desperately wanted to be a great artist. | 1:05:55 | 1:05:58 | |
He destroyed, right up to the end of his life, | 1:05:58 | 1:06:01 | |
and by then every time he took a knife to a painting, | 1:06:01 | 1:06:03 | |
he'd just thrown away £1 million, | 1:06:03 | 1:06:06 | |
which is really admirable, I think. | 1:06:06 | 1:06:09 | |
By 1982, he was very famous and he couldn't just... | 1:06:10 | 1:06:16 | |
crumple up the canvas and put it in the dustbin outside 7 Reece Mews, | 1:06:16 | 1:06:19 | |
because people were constantly going through his dustbin, | 1:06:19 | 1:06:22 | |
looking for Bacon scraps, OK? | 1:06:22 | 1:06:25 | |
So he wanted them absolutely destroyed. | 1:06:25 | 1:06:28 | |
So he would phone me up and I would | 1:06:28 | 1:06:30 | |
go over right away and I would do it. | 1:06:30 | 1:06:32 | |
And the only way to destroy them was with a Stanley knife, | 1:06:32 | 1:06:35 | |
so you cut into it, cut strips. | 1:06:35 | 1:06:37 | |
Cut all the strips | 1:06:37 | 1:06:38 | |
and then put it in a rubbish bag | 1:06:38 | 1:06:42 | |
and then they were taken over to the Chelsea dump. | 1:06:42 | 1:06:46 | |
And if you gave the man a fiver, who ran the fire, | 1:06:46 | 1:06:49 | |
he would take the bag right in front of your eyes and things would be burnt there, OK? | 1:06:49 | 1:06:54 | |
And then I'd report back to Francis that I did this. | 1:06:54 | 1:06:57 | |
-What did it feel like, to destroy? -Terrible. | 1:06:57 | 1:07:00 | |
It's... Heart-wrenching, gutting, terrible to destroy a Francis Bacon painting. | 1:07:03 | 1:07:09 | |
And some of them, I obviously looked at them, I thought, "Pretty good. | 1:07:09 | 1:07:12 | |
"I would like to have one." | 1:07:12 | 1:07:13 | |
I didn't, though. No. | 1:07:15 | 1:07:18 | |
Stupid! | 1:07:18 | 1:07:20 | |
IN FRENCH: | 1:07:21 | 1:07:24 | |
What's vultures in French? | 1:07:30 | 1:07:32 | |
Francis trusted John. He would trust John with everything, | 1:07:49 | 1:07:52 | |
from the early point. I remember John coming home and saying, | 1:07:52 | 1:07:56 | |
"Francis told me where he keeps his money, where he keeps this, where he keeps that." | 1:07:56 | 1:08:00 | |
It's quite understandable that the circle would | 1:08:00 | 1:08:02 | |
look like this and say, "Who is he? What's he want? | 1:08:02 | 1:08:06 | |
"Is he trying to take advantage?" | 1:08:06 | 1:08:09 | |
So, yes, there was definitely suspicion. | 1:08:09 | 1:08:12 | |
I must have first met John Edwards with Francis, | 1:08:12 | 1:08:17 | |
presumably in Muriel's. | 1:08:17 | 1:08:20 | |
He thought it was very funny to handcuff me to the bar. | 1:08:20 | 1:08:25 | |
And he said he was going to place a bet. | 1:08:26 | 1:08:29 | |
And I didn't have any appointment or anything I was doing that day, | 1:08:29 | 1:08:33 | |
it was a free day, | 1:08:33 | 1:08:35 | |
so, I wasn't worried. | 1:08:35 | 1:08:38 | |
But it took him an hour and a half or a little more | 1:08:38 | 1:08:41 | |
to place his bet, and so, he eventually | 1:08:41 | 1:08:46 | |
did reappear, just when I was wondering | 1:08:46 | 1:08:48 | |
what I would do if I was going to be there for the night. | 1:08:48 | 1:08:52 | |
It was only one arm, so my drinking arm was free, | 1:08:52 | 1:08:55 | |
and I was sitting drinking anyhow. | 1:08:55 | 1:08:58 | |
The most important thing for Francis was that John had enough money to | 1:08:58 | 1:09:02 | |
last his life. He changed his will. | 1:09:02 | 1:09:04 | |
When you think of Francis and how complicated his life was, | 1:09:04 | 1:09:08 | |
this will was one page long, just one page. | 1:09:08 | 1:09:10 | |
And everything went to John Edwards if he succeeded Francis by three months. | 1:09:10 | 1:09:15 | |
Francis always made John aware that he would inherit a lot of money. | 1:09:15 | 1:09:19 | |
Well, Bacon said he thought about death every day of his life. | 1:09:23 | 1:09:27 | |
And as he aged, it must have become more and more present to him, death, | 1:09:27 | 1:09:35 | |
and as his friends died, others died... | 1:09:35 | 1:09:37 | |
The death of Muriel... I think the fading of The Colony | 1:09:37 | 1:09:42 | |
must have been difficult for Bacon. | 1:09:42 | 1:09:45 | |
In the '80s, Soho really had ended. | 1:09:45 | 1:09:49 | |
It was pretty much running on fumes and I think that that had, you know, | 1:09:49 | 1:09:53 | |
a very depressing influence on Bacon on top of everything else. | 1:09:53 | 1:09:59 | |
You know, it's - what is it? - 40 years on or something, | 1:09:59 | 1:10:02 | |
and he would have been reminded greatly about the passing of time. | 1:10:02 | 1:10:08 | |
Well, I'd seen Bacon around a lot, but I'd never spoken to him | 1:10:08 | 1:10:12 | |
cos, I guess a kind of hero or something and I was quite young, | 1:10:12 | 1:10:16 | |
but I used to see him in cafes in Soho. | 1:10:16 | 1:10:19 | |
And if I'd been out late, I'd end up going early morning into | 1:10:19 | 1:10:22 | |
a cafe, and sometimes he'd be having breakfast. | 1:10:22 | 1:10:25 | |
So it was kind of odd to be in the same room as him and not speak to him | 1:10:25 | 1:10:28 | |
but then, I just thought, what the hell would I say or whatever? | 1:10:28 | 1:10:32 | |
In his last years, he looked very old and very tired | 1:10:32 | 1:10:35 | |
and he must have felt very pained | 1:10:35 | 1:10:38 | |
at that moment, you know, to see the world flashing before his eyes. | 1:10:38 | 1:10:42 | |
John wasn't always there for him. | 1:10:42 | 1:10:45 | |
John was there to support him, but he wasn't there 24/7. | 1:10:45 | 1:10:49 | |
From day one, John had his partner, Philip. | 1:10:49 | 1:10:52 | |
They'd been together five or six years before Francis came on the scene. | 1:10:52 | 1:10:57 | |
And that was a no-go area. | 1:10:57 | 1:10:59 | |
That was John's life, | 1:10:59 | 1:11:01 | |
Francis was totally aware of that. | 1:11:01 | 1:11:02 | |
John Edwards was travelling a lot, he didn't live in London, and again, | 1:11:02 | 1:11:06 | |
I was living 20 metres away from him, so it deepened his trust in me. | 1:11:06 | 1:11:11 | |
The opportunity came up to arrange a supper party at my place for Francis Bacon. | 1:11:11 | 1:11:15 | |
So Frederick Ashton had already committed to come, | 1:11:15 | 1:11:18 | |
who was the great choreographer of the time. | 1:11:18 | 1:11:21 | |
I was left with an empty seat and I thought, "Who can I invite?" | 1:11:21 | 1:11:25 | |
Jose Capelo was someone I used to see at first at the Royal Opera House. | 1:11:25 | 1:11:30 | |
He was interested in art. | 1:11:30 | 1:11:32 | |
And I phoned Jose and he leapt at the chance. | 1:11:32 | 1:11:35 | |
And Ashton and Francis took an immediate liking to him. | 1:11:35 | 1:11:40 | |
And Francis was rather famous, of course, | 1:11:40 | 1:11:42 | |
for liking a certain amount of roughish trade. | 1:11:42 | 1:11:47 | |
There was an element of relief with Jose, because Jose was firmly | 1:11:47 | 1:11:52 | |
well-educated, professional middle class, | 1:11:52 | 1:11:55 | |
and so was much easier to talk to. | 1:11:55 | 1:11:58 | |
I think John would have been happy for Francis. | 1:11:58 | 1:12:01 | |
There was no jealousy there between them. | 1:12:01 | 1:12:03 | |
Nothing for John to worry about. | 1:12:03 | 1:12:06 | |
John had all the keys to all the boxes. | 1:12:06 | 1:12:09 | |
Francis Bacon and Jose Capelo shared a safety deposit box at Harrods. | 1:12:09 | 1:12:14 | |
They both had keys. | 1:12:14 | 1:12:15 | |
John wanted the key from Jose. | 1:12:15 | 1:12:20 | |
Jose was very difficult to read, as far as what really drove him. | 1:12:20 | 1:12:24 | |
And I never went further. He would clam up. | 1:12:24 | 1:12:28 | |
They were travelling together. They would go to Venice, Madrid. | 1:12:28 | 1:12:31 | |
Francis would come back with a big smile on his face. | 1:12:31 | 1:12:34 | |
He was a happy man. He was in love | 1:12:34 | 1:12:36 | |
and for Francis, that obviously meant sexually it was going well. | 1:12:36 | 1:12:40 | |
Yes, in 1988, he's inspired. | 1:12:44 | 1:12:48 | |
He re-works, re-studies. | 1:12:48 | 1:12:50 | |
It is not brutish any longer. | 1:12:50 | 1:12:53 | |
It's as if the monsters have been turned into silk, | 1:12:53 | 1:12:58 | |
and they no longer are going to jump out of the frame and bite you. | 1:12:58 | 1:13:02 | |
There is something distant. | 1:13:02 | 1:13:04 | |
But that is kind of fascinating too, you know? | 1:13:04 | 1:13:06 | |
I mean, to look at your earlier work, and your earlier | 1:13:06 | 1:13:12 | |
juicy brutality, and then make it more designed, | 1:13:12 | 1:13:18 | |
distant, behind glass - it's another feeling. | 1:13:18 | 1:13:23 | |
-HIRST: -The Figure At The Base Of A Crucifixion, | 1:13:23 | 1:13:26 | |
that's just an unbelievable painting. | 1:13:26 | 1:13:28 | |
I mean, I made a couple of pieces which were directly, you know, | 1:13:29 | 1:13:33 | |
taken from Bacon paintings. | 1:13:33 | 1:13:36 | |
Like I made a three-dimensional triptych. | 1:13:36 | 1:13:39 | |
I saw these kind of terrifying social spaces that Bacon was painting. | 1:13:39 | 1:13:43 | |
I remember thinking, "I wonder if I could actually make these spaces?" | 1:13:43 | 1:13:46 | |
I got a phone call from the Saatchi Gallery and they said, | 1:13:46 | 1:13:49 | |
"Bacon was in today and he was stood in front of your sculpture for an hour." | 1:13:49 | 1:13:52 | |
I was like, "An hour? No, can't be an hour." | 1:13:52 | 1:13:55 | |
Around September 1990, we went up to Saatchi's - | 1:13:55 | 1:13:58 | |
the first time he saw Damien Hirst. | 1:13:58 | 1:14:01 | |
He liked one piece of Damien Hirst and we came back and we were having drinks. | 1:14:01 | 1:14:05 | |
After you've drunk a bottle of wine | 1:14:05 | 1:14:07 | |
you come to things that really matter, | 1:14:07 | 1:14:09 | |
and it's not looking at Damien Hirst, it's your love affair. | 1:14:09 | 1:14:12 | |
Jose had framed it like "Francis, I want to stay your friend." | 1:14:12 | 1:14:17 | |
That means no more sexual relationship. | 1:14:17 | 1:14:20 | |
And for Francis Bacon, he knew exactly what it meant, and he was devastated. | 1:14:20 | 1:14:23 | |
So Francis, in his cups... | 1:14:23 | 1:14:25 | |
..told me about the relationship and those two years with Jose, | 1:14:27 | 1:14:31 | |
and the fact that he'd given Jose four million US. | 1:14:31 | 1:14:36 | |
and two of his paintings. | 1:14:36 | 1:14:37 | |
I could read his pain, how gutted he was, his anguish. | 1:14:39 | 1:14:42 | |
Well, I would say he slowly, slowly deteriorated from 1990, | 1:14:42 | 1:14:49 | |
over the following two years, | 1:14:49 | 1:14:51 | |
and I took him to one specialist after another | 1:14:51 | 1:14:55 | |
and none of them could help him. | 1:14:55 | 1:14:57 | |
He kept saying to me, "I've got to go to Madrid cos I want to see Jose". | 1:14:57 | 1:15:02 | |
IN FRENCH: | 1:15:02 | 1:15:05 | |
Finally, Francis Bacon, one of the most highly acclaimed | 1:15:53 | 1:15:56 | |
British painters this century has died. | 1:15:56 | 1:15:59 | |
The painter Francis Bacon has died at the age of 82. | 1:15:59 | 1:16:02 | |
He collapsed while on holiday in Spain. | 1:16:02 | 1:16:04 | |
It's thought he had a heart attack. | 1:16:04 | 1:16:06 | |
He kept saying to me, "I've got to see Jose." | 1:16:06 | 1:16:09 | |
I said, "Francis, whatever you do, don't go to Madrid, | 1:16:09 | 1:16:13 | |
"because you're not going to survive if you do." | 1:16:13 | 1:16:16 | |
I was really destroyed when I heard he had died. | 1:16:18 | 1:16:21 | |
It was really very, very sad. | 1:16:21 | 1:16:24 | |
But it was inevitable. | 1:16:24 | 1:16:26 | |
He was reckless about his own life and other people's lives, I think. | 1:16:26 | 1:16:31 | |
What caused the heart attack? | 1:16:32 | 1:16:35 | |
Was it... Did Jose and Francis have a huge row? | 1:16:35 | 1:16:37 | |
And Francis had the heart attack and was whisked off to hospital. | 1:16:39 | 1:16:43 | |
Francis was in a Catholic hospital being attended by Catholic nuns | 1:16:43 | 1:16:48 | |
and Jose was not there. | 1:16:48 | 1:16:50 | |
It's despicable. | 1:16:50 | 1:16:53 | |
I think that if Bacon is consistent, | 1:16:53 | 1:16:55 | |
he has to be prepared to die at any time, | 1:16:55 | 1:16:58 | |
to be taken advantage of at any time, | 1:16:58 | 1:17:00 | |
for things not to work out at any time, | 1:17:00 | 1:17:03 | |
and I think he was. He was a gambler. | 1:17:03 | 1:17:06 | |
He understood that gamblers usually lose. | 1:17:06 | 1:17:08 | |
The Study Of A Bull, | 1:17:11 | 1:17:12 | |
the last painting Bacon completed, | 1:17:12 | 1:17:14 | |
is mostly raw canvas. | 1:17:14 | 1:17:15 | |
I don't think that's a question of it | 1:17:15 | 1:17:17 | |
being unfinished in any sense. | 1:17:17 | 1:17:19 | |
He said what he wanted to say in that top left corner of the painting. | 1:17:19 | 1:17:23 | |
The bull seems to be shifting between two spaces. | 1:17:23 | 1:17:27 | |
That seems like life and death. | 1:17:27 | 1:17:29 | |
And the fact that he used dust as a medium, | 1:17:29 | 1:17:31 | |
this is the dust to which he will return, | 1:17:31 | 1:17:33 | |
as indeed he did in Madrid only a few months later. | 1:17:33 | 1:17:36 | |
Whatever it is, 50 years, 75 years later, | 1:17:49 | 1:17:54 | |
they seem even more important, more... | 1:17:54 | 1:17:59 | |
monumental in their effect. | 1:17:59 | 1:18:02 | |
He seems to have been perceived now | 1:18:04 | 1:18:06 | |
almost as a kind of religious painter, | 1:18:06 | 1:18:10 | |
as somebody who emanates out of | 1:18:10 | 1:18:14 | |
sort of 16th-century Italian painting, | 1:18:14 | 1:18:17 | |
because it has that degree of passion, martyrdom and torture, | 1:18:17 | 1:18:24 | |
which is what's so wonderful about Francis's painting, to my mind. | 1:18:24 | 1:18:29 | |
There's a sort of sacred quality to them. | 1:18:29 | 1:18:32 |