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Silence spoke volumes today, as Wales and the world of politics paid | :00:13. | :00:17. | |
tribute to Rhodri Morgan, who died yesterday. The former First Minister | :00:18. | :00:26. | |
was regarded as the father of devolution in Wales. He was a very | :00:27. | :00:33. | |
exceptional human being, in all his exceptional capabilities. He had a | :00:34. | :00:38. | |
real, strong sense of normality. It's one of the things that made him | :00:39. | :00:43. | |
a great leader. A huge intellect but a man of the people, whether it was | :00:44. | :00:50. | |
in the pub or the president of imagination, he treated everybody | :00:51. | :00:52. | |
the same, and the kind of Ricci and, most politicians dream of. It wasn't | :00:53. | :00:58. | |
all about politics. Politics was his life, no question, but his passion | :00:59. | :01:06. | |
was bought. He was very witty and it was his depth of knowledge that | :01:07. | :01:13. | |
mesmerised you. A politician who did things his own way. He was genuine | :01:14. | :01:18. | |
and authentic and that's what people loved about him. | :01:19. | :01:28. | |
# Everyone knows that I'm just second-hand rose, from Second | :01:29. | :01:43. | |
Avenue... And amiable, affable, amusing man devoted to his family | :01:44. | :01:49. | |
and to politics. Eight years ago, Rhodri allowed me to film him over a | :01:50. | :01:55. | |
year as his life in front line politics drew to a close. How are | :01:56. | :01:57. | |
we? Not too bad. Rhodri Morgan was born in Cardiff in | :01:58. | :02:12. | |
1939. His father was an academic and MP's agent. His mother was a | :02:13. | :02:18. | |
teacher. His elder brother, Prys, remembered when Rhodri began to get | :02:19. | :02:23. | |
a taste for politics. I recall very clearly 1951, when you were about | :02:24. | :02:30. | |
11, that you drag us all to the church rooms in Radyr on more than | :02:31. | :02:34. | |
one occasion to listen to the political speeches of that election, | :02:35. | :02:38. | |
and you became extremely angry... Yes. That the Tories of Radyr were | :02:39. | :02:47. | |
so impolite and beastly. Yes, it was a very dramatic introduction to a | :02:48. | :02:51. | |
political meeting. If I ever bought a political meeting would be some | :02:52. | :03:00. | |
quiet sort of proceedings of the Aristotelians society discussing our | :03:01. | :03:03. | |
climb paint, -- arcane points, it wasn't like that, it was a mob. | :03:04. | :03:08. | |
Rhodri Morgan went to Whitchurch Grammar School, studied politics at | :03:09. | :03:15. | |
Oxford and and went to Harvard. I had a flat with some others when I | :03:16. | :03:23. | |
was in university and upturned this is why headed Wedgewood who had just | :03:24. | :03:31. | |
arrived from Harvard. -- and up turned this is why headed chap. He | :03:32. | :03:39. | |
was full of brilliant ideas, because Rhodri was very, very bright and he | :03:40. | :03:45. | |
was also brave. He had this marvellous combination, right from | :03:46. | :03:48. | |
the time he was a youngster, of feet on the ground realism, but a sense | :03:49. | :03:56. | |
of vision, of real imagination, colourful imagination. He married | :03:57. | :04:01. | |
Julie, who also went on to be a politician. He met his wife at a | :04:02. | :04:08. | |
party in our flat, Julie. She turned up with some friends and they took | :04:09. | :04:12. | |
to each other pretty quickly. Julie and Rhodri, I think, I didn't know a | :04:13. | :04:19. | |
couple who were so well matched with each other, you know? Very close | :04:20. | :04:26. | |
couple, they were. And Rhodri and Julie, I think, well, they share the | :04:27. | :04:31. | |
same beliefs. I've seen them together, they get on so well. They | :04:32. | :04:36. | |
worked well together. Rhodri was always so supportive of Julie when | :04:37. | :04:43. | |
she was campaigning to get re-elected. And she was also very | :04:44. | :04:51. | |
supportive of Rhodri. He didn't become an elected politician until | :04:52. | :04:54. | |
1987, winning the seat of Cardiff West. Whether it was in the pub or | :04:55. | :05:02. | |
whether it was the president of a major nation, he treated everybody | :05:03. | :05:06. | |
the same, and he always tried to help people, and that's why he was a | :05:07. | :05:12. | |
fabulous MP and AM as well as a politician, and also he didn't take | :05:13. | :05:16. | |
everything seriously. He dealt with issues with great humour, with | :05:17. | :05:20. | |
colourful language, and I think all politicians could learn something | :05:21. | :05:23. | |
from Rhodri about being a little bit more free range and a little bit | :05:24. | :05:29. | |
less control freak career. When I first met Rhodri in the 80s when he | :05:30. | :05:34. | |
was elected as the member for Cardiff West, he used to make very | :05:35. | :05:38. | |
witty speeches about flooding and he said he would like in future if | :05:39. | :05:42. | |
there wasn't better water protection for his constituency, he'd need to | :05:43. | :05:48. | |
wear a wet suit. A strong socialist, his comradeship bridged the | :05:49. | :05:54. | |
political divide. He was very respected and in the early days | :05:55. | :05:59. | |
certain people in his own party, especially in London, couldn't | :06:00. | :06:02. | |
understand him, couldn't understand the type of character he was, but | :06:03. | :06:05. | |
because he had those deep democratic instincts, which I think it's quite | :06:06. | :06:10. | |
a Welsh thing, and the adherence to socialist principles as part of | :06:11. | :06:15. | |
democracy, that is something he had, and he treated everybody equally, | :06:16. | :06:18. | |
even Her Majesty the Queen, when she met him. She was always impressed by | :06:19. | :06:22. | |
his great intellect and great knowledge. And that was something | :06:23. | :06:28. | |
that people respected, so he was very clever as a human being, but | :06:29. | :06:31. | |
the most sociable person you could speak to in the pub or anywhere, and | :06:32. | :06:36. | |
that was the secret of his huge success as a politician. Rhodri's | :06:37. | :06:42. | |
passion for politics was matched by his enthusiasm for sport. I saw my | :06:43. | :06:48. | |
first international match here in the old Cardiff Arms Park at the | :06:49. | :06:53. | |
millennium stadium almost 60 years ago. It was early December, 1948 | :06:54. | :07:01. | |
Trevor Alan, the Wallabies touring team, Cardiff beat them, Wales beat | :07:02. | :07:04. | |
them and the Barbarians beat them, all magnificent games of rugby, and | :07:05. | :07:09. | |
it gave me a love of taking every opportunity to come and see the guys | :07:10. | :07:16. | |
in the red shirts playing. Politics was his life, no question, but his | :07:17. | :07:20. | |
passion was sport. A great supporter of Welsh rugby. He enjoyed watching | :07:21. | :07:25. | |
it and possibly what annoyed most politicians that he spoke to, they | :07:26. | :07:29. | |
knew -- he knew so much more than anybody else. We've got it! We've | :07:30. | :07:37. | |
got it! No, we haven't. They've pinched it again. Have they? Yes! | :07:38. | :07:47. | |
Whenever he was down at Cardiff Arms Park, which he enjoyed going to, | :07:48. | :07:52. | |
taking his grandsons, there would be no fuss. He would like to be on the | :07:53. | :07:55. | |
terrace, enjoying the environment, which he had as a young man, as a | :07:56. | :08:00. | |
child himself, you know. He was great to have a conversation with. | :08:01. | :08:05. | |
He was very, very witty and it was his depth of knowledge that | :08:06. | :08:08. | |
mesmerised you, virtually, in the end. Rhodri Morgan had a way of | :08:09. | :08:12. | |
winning hearts and minds, that it was his way with words that often | :08:13. | :08:20. | |
made headlines, including one of his memorable Newsnight appearances. | :08:21. | :08:22. | |
Rhodri Morgan, will you run again for leadership of the Welsh Labour | :08:23. | :08:27. | |
Party? Do temp -- to one-legged ducks ducks swim in a circle? We | :08:28. | :08:35. | |
were told we will be on at 10:30pm and Rhodri was very keen to have a | :08:36. | :08:38. | |
pint in the teeth clock up next to the studios before 11pm, and we got | :08:39. | :08:43. | |
held on the line and I could see him getting frustrated, so I think the | :08:44. | :08:50. | |
terse answer he gave to Jeremy Paxman was partly because he was | :08:51. | :08:53. | |
dying for a quick pint before chucking out time. In 2000, a year | :08:54. | :09:01. | |
after the referendum on devolution, he finally got his wish, becoming | :09:02. | :09:04. | |
leader of the Labour Party in Wales, and with it the job of First | :09:05. | :09:08. | |
Minister. He'd been overlooked twice for the job by Prime Minister Tony | :09:09. | :09:15. | |
Blair. Only Tony Blair knows why he didn't put me in the ministerial | :09:16. | :09:22. | |
team with Ron Davies back in 97, or give me another junior ministerial | :09:23. | :09:26. | |
job, but he said it was one of the worst mistakes he had made later on, | :09:27. | :09:32. | |
which was very noble of him. An extraordinary admission, in a way, | :09:33. | :09:38. | |
when you consider all the possible candidates for the stake that he'd | :09:39. | :09:41. | |
made, he said the worst one was trying to block me from being First | :09:42. | :09:47. | |
Minister. -- possible candidates for mistakes. Anyway, it made my | :09:48. | :09:51. | |
political career in Wales, so I can hardly be an for Tony Blair blocking | :09:52. | :09:56. | |
me in ministerial office, because it may be a popular hero in Wales | :09:57. | :10:00. | |
because he snubbed me, so I'm grateful to Tony Blair for doing | :10:01. | :10:04. | |
that, but that is the swings and roundabouts of politics. I could | :10:05. | :10:08. | |
never understand, even his great accomplishment and his real | :10:09. | :10:14. | |
political skill, in the best sense, bringing people over to agree with | :10:15. | :10:20. | |
him, which is a remarkable attribute, why he wasn't certainly | :10:21. | :10:27. | |
put in the government by Tony Blair in 1997, and put into the Cabinet, | :10:28. | :10:33. | |
in my view. Wood I followed Rhodri Morgan on a trip to the States, and | :10:34. | :10:36. | |
the first encounter was him all over. He is reading a famously | :10:37. | :10:42. | |
difficult novel by James Joyce and wearing the oldest pair of jeans | :10:43. | :10:46. | |
I've seen in business class. He has no time for the modern-day obsession | :10:47. | :10:53. | |
with image. His welcoming party watches as his old bag begins to | :10:54. | :11:02. | |
fall apart on arrival. I've got a knackered old leather bag. A small | :11:03. | :11:11. | |
pick-up on an important trip. It's September last year, and it's | :11:12. | :11:13. | |
Louisville, Kentucky, famous for bluegrass music and a certain kind | :11:14. | :11:21. | |
of fast food. And, this year, home to golf's Ryder Cup, a global | :11:22. | :11:24. | |
sporting phenomenon that Wales will host next year. Bore da, Ieuan. Was | :11:25. | :11:36. | |
on the trip, his deputy, you will Jones, the need Plaid Cymru, a | :11:37. | :11:42. | |
political opponent now part of the Assembly government. -- the leader | :11:43. | :11:47. | |
of Plaid Cymru. He is smiling because last night he met Muhammad | :11:48. | :11:54. | |
Ali. When I tell Jack Brooks that you... Coming from a non-boxing part | :11:55. | :12:02. | |
of Wales. Have you never heard the story that I told? How you used to | :12:03. | :12:10. | |
be an amateur boxer? Know, how my father would insist my brother got | :12:11. | :12:16. | |
up at 3am to watch him fight in the early 60s, because we'd never seen a | :12:17. | :12:20. | |
boxer like him. Your father was a keen boxing fan? Yes. Sparring over, | :12:21. | :12:28. | |
a breakfast briefing about the day ahead. It's not just about sport. | :12:29. | :12:33. | |
They could be jobs for Wales. A lot of those meetings are sensitive | :12:34. | :12:37. | |
because the companies don't want it out there that they are meeting us. | :12:38. | :12:43. | |
They are very high priority. A hectic schedule, golf attracting | :12:44. | :12:46. | |
business people in their droves, and much of the First Minister's time | :12:47. | :12:53. | |
here is spent networking. How are things in your business? It carries | :12:54. | :12:57. | |
on into the evening. Even so, he makes his daily call to his wife, MP | :12:58. | :13:04. | |
Julie Morgan. We are off to the Muhammad Ali centre, a Wales | :13:05. | :13:06. | |
reception as I try and build the bridge between the 37th Ryder Cup, | :13:07. | :13:14. | |
is it that? That is in Valhalla, with the 38th in Newport. I have to | :13:15. | :13:18. | |
tell them, come to Wales and so on. Another objective tonight, to try | :13:19. | :13:25. | |
and avoid the fatty food that accompanies these occasions. A | :13:26. | :13:29. | |
low-fat, no fat diet. No skin. Just white chicken meat. Because, like | :13:30. | :13:35. | |
him, I've had a stand fitted in my heart and I have to eat low-fat | :13:36. | :13:37. | |
food. We are determined, however high bar | :13:38. | :13:47. | |
has been set, we are going to jump even higher in 2010. Look forward to | :13:48. | :13:50. | |
seeing you. What do you reckon about the TV | :13:51. | :14:19. | |
audiences these days? 1 billion people watching it. It could be 2 | :14:20. | :14:27. | |
billion. What an unbelievable spotlight to have on Wales. We just | :14:28. | :14:35. | |
wish the government understood how important it was. Joking aside, they | :14:36. | :14:44. | |
all know how much Rhodri Morgan has personally put into securing this | :14:45. | :14:49. | |
event for Wales. It is all about developing the Welsh brand, starting | :14:50. | :14:54. | |
with the right shirt to fit into team Wales. I have worn white and | :14:55. | :14:59. | |
black, I thought I would try pink. I have never worn a pink shirt before. | :15:00. | :15:04. | |
We have a once in a generation opportunity to put Wales on the map | :15:05. | :15:09. | |
in a political sense, but you also have to put Wales on the map in an | :15:10. | :15:13. | |
economic sense and our economic development will be hampered unless | :15:14. | :15:18. | |
Wales gets the same profile as other sports countries. We bid for the | :15:19. | :15:22. | |
Ryder Cup because we thought it would potentially transform the | :15:23. | :15:27. | |
profile of Wales, especially in North America. Ryder Cup 2010. After | :15:28. | :15:35. | |
that do they know where Wales is? I am hoping far more will. Keeping | :15:36. | :15:41. | |
tabs on time is Lawrence Conway, a senior civil servant who runs the | :15:42. | :15:46. | |
First Minister's office. He had his setback last year, but he seems to | :15:47. | :15:50. | |
have come back with an appetite now for all the work he is doing. On | :15:51. | :15:56. | |
this trip I watched as the First Minister put in at least 14 hours a | :15:57. | :16:03. | |
day. Not bad for someone nearly 70. There was the occasional power nap. | :16:04. | :16:12. | |
CHEERING . | :16:13. | :16:18. | |
In the end of the USA won the tournament. Disappointing for | :16:19. | :16:22. | |
Europeans, but the Welsh left Kentucky excited by the prospect of | :16:23. | :16:26. | |
international attention and a boost to the economy. As First Minister of | :16:27. | :16:32. | |
the national Assembly in Wales, Rhodri Morgan set out to establish a | :16:33. | :16:36. | |
voice that was very distinct from that of the Labour Party in | :16:37. | :16:41. | |
Westminster. He knew there was no point simply doing exactly what was | :16:42. | :16:45. | |
being done by the Labour government in London. We had to look at Welsh | :16:46. | :16:49. | |
ways to do things differently in Wales where it was the right thing | :16:50. | :16:53. | |
to do and that meant doing things in a different way from the other party | :16:54. | :16:57. | |
in London. He will be remembered somebody who put in place those | :16:58. | :17:03. | |
building blocks for a strong devolution in Wales. We are an | :17:04. | :17:09. | |
Assembly to be reckoned with. And he was somebody who was able to | :17:10. | :17:13. | |
communicate with the public in a way which very few politicians have at | :17:14. | :17:16. | |
their fingertips. In that way he was quite exceptional. He took a | :17:17. | :17:21. | |
fledgling democracy and an institution that was struggling in | :17:22. | :17:25. | |
2000 and build something far more durable. He took the Assembly from | :17:26. | :17:30. | |
being something that was not widely supported by the people in Wales, to | :17:31. | :17:36. | |
being an institution that people understand and the institution is | :17:37. | :17:40. | |
very much part of our lives in Wales. He deserves the credit for | :17:41. | :17:43. | |
the work he did for that over the best part of a decade. He was a | :17:44. | :17:49. | |
lovely, warm guy who maintain friendships. When he became First | :17:50. | :17:55. | |
Minister in Wales he gave reality to devolution, reality was the | :17:56. | :17:58. | |
principle of the Assembly in Wales, and set up a structure and sister | :17:59. | :18:03. | |
was there that have done so much good in helping the people of Wales | :18:04. | :18:08. | |
and helping the National identity. We all owe him a huge debt of | :18:09. | :18:15. | |
thanks. Eight years ago, Rhodri Morgan and his brother Prys told me | :18:16. | :18:21. | |
how they had traced the family's history of activism back generations | :18:22. | :18:26. | |
to the 19th century and the Rebecca Riots, people's revolt against road | :18:27. | :18:31. | |
tolls. Morgan Morgan probably was one of the leaders of the Rebecca | :18:32. | :18:37. | |
rising which had led to the smashing of the toll gates near where | :18:38. | :18:45. | |
Morrison Hospital is today. In 1843. The Morrison Hospital. And they were | :18:46. | :18:51. | |
eventually released because of the collapse of the evidence against | :18:52. | :18:56. | |
them. It was when Rhodri and I went to the Tabernacle Sunday school when | :18:57. | :19:03. | |
an uncle of hours... Uncle Billy, superintendent of the Sunday school. | :19:04. | :19:08. | |
What a status with that role. He used to remind Rhodri, I was | :19:09. | :19:11. | |
interested in the historical side, he used to remind you that you were | :19:12. | :19:18. | |
one of the children of Rebecca, the children of the oppressed. I could | :19:19. | :19:22. | |
see you with your huge eyes staring at him and this great mop of hair. | :19:23. | :19:27. | |
He would say this every Sunday. While religion was a big part of his | :19:28. | :19:33. | |
upbringing he was to outgrow it. It is Easter and the place is Mwnt in | :19:34. | :19:37. | |
Cardigan Bay, famous for its picturesque church. Julie and Rhodri | :19:38. | :19:42. | |
Morgan have been coming here to their holiday caravan for years. I | :19:43. | :19:49. | |
am very proud of my nonconformists Welsh Chapel heritage. I have not | :19:50. | :19:55. | |
inherited belief in some sort of Almighty, I am a rationalist in that | :19:56. | :20:01. | |
sense. I remember being very upset when my grandmother had cancer and | :20:02. | :20:07. | |
was living with us and she had about a year's remission when she seemed | :20:08. | :20:12. | |
to be getting better. And so it was a nice Sunday morning like this and | :20:13. | :20:16. | |
she had done a bit of washing to show she had been getting better. I | :20:17. | :20:22. | |
mentioned this to my aunt and I saw my aunt nearly dropping the plate | :20:23. | :20:28. | |
that she had, the most important thing was that somebody had done | :20:29. | :20:31. | |
washing on Sunday that you should not do. I thought is this religion | :20:32. | :20:37. | |
all it is cracked up to be? He may have lost his faith, but religion | :20:38. | :20:43. | |
was a formative interest. They say nonconformity is the biggest single | :20:44. | :20:48. | |
background effect on determining whether you vote Tory or not. Church | :20:49. | :20:54. | |
equals Tory,, you might vote for another party like Plaid Cymru, but | :20:55. | :21:00. | |
I think I have grown up with that view. A very large majority of | :21:01. | :21:08. | |
people in Wales have inherited that same nonconformist, radical | :21:09. | :21:14. | |
background. In 2007, Rhodri Morgan was forced to slow down for a while | :21:15. | :21:19. | |
when he was admitted to hospital. Is this a daily routine when you can do | :21:20. | :21:24. | |
it? Five or six days a week. I will miss one maybe. When I am in North | :21:25. | :21:30. | |
Wales will stop certainly five night a week. Is this something you have | :21:31. | :21:36. | |
done for health reasons or have you always been a walker? I have always | :21:37. | :21:41. | |
been a walker or a runner, but then I took it more seriously and made | :21:42. | :21:49. | |
sure I took it into my routine and made sure I got the time because of | :21:50. | :21:55. | |
my heart problem. Oh, then. Now he can do it. That is good. I do not | :21:56. | :22:01. | |
usually come this way. You do not get too much stiffness or anything | :22:02. | :22:06. | |
like that? Has the effect of age kicked in yet? No. When we climbed | :22:07. | :22:13. | |
Snowdon I did not feel stiff the next day. I have a cod liver oil | :22:14. | :22:18. | |
pill in the morning. I do not know whether that has an effect. They | :22:19. | :22:24. | |
keep your joints supple. This must be a fantastic place to come after a | :22:25. | :22:30. | |
hard day, the stresses of the office. Absolutely, yes, it is. I | :22:31. | :22:35. | |
could not be luckier. If you go right into the middle of the wood, | :22:36. | :22:40. | |
you could be in a South American jungle and yet you are literally | :22:41. | :22:43. | |
five miles from the centre of Cardiff. Two years later and a few | :22:44. | :22:49. | |
days after his 70th birthday, he announced he was to step down as | :22:50. | :22:53. | |
First Minister and leave front line politics. You cannot wait until | :22:54. | :23:02. | |
others push you out. It frequently happens after ten years. I have seen | :23:03. | :23:08. | |
it happen to leaders. Like Tony Blair and so forth, and I do not | :23:09. | :23:13. | |
want that to happen to me. There is an actual thing about a decade... | :23:14. | :23:24. | |
Hello, Gavin. How are we? Not too bad. Good. Quite the big day. Yes, | :23:25. | :23:34. | |
it has been a bit emotional. More emotional than I expected. Is there | :23:35. | :23:40. | |
really maybe because the announcement has been made now. Yes, | :23:41. | :23:46. | |
of course there is. Because trying to get the details of it right has | :23:47. | :23:51. | |
been problematic. We only finally determined the details on Monday in | :23:52. | :23:56. | |
an obscure corner of the conference in Brighton. We had a good few hours | :23:57. | :24:02. | |
to nail down the details. It was a bit more emotional than you thought | :24:03. | :24:07. | |
today. Trying to explain to people that I do love this job and I am | :24:08. | :24:12. | |
giving it up voluntarily because of a long-held belief that you should | :24:13. | :24:17. | |
not stay too long. People do not always understand the logic of that. | :24:18. | :24:22. | |
You do not strike me as a tremendously emotional person in | :24:23. | :24:28. | |
that sense. I am a very unemotional person I hope. I have control over | :24:29. | :24:36. | |
my emotion, except there were personal things, not over political | :24:37. | :24:39. | |
things. You are not going to regret it? No, not at all. Here we are, OK. | :24:40. | :24:50. | |
The end of his last week soon arrives. His successor, Carwyn | :24:51. | :24:57. | |
Jones, is announced, waiting in the wings. After the farewell interviews | :24:58. | :25:04. | |
he gathers up mementos and personal gift, including his beloved | :25:05. | :25:08. | |
Patagonian poncho, and I wanted to know what one thing he would take | :25:09. | :25:13. | |
away as an achievement. The foundation phase. To do something | :25:14. | :25:20. | |
that breaks with 120 odd years of compulsory primary education | :25:21. | :25:23. | |
tradition in Britain, to reduce the long tail of non-achievers and | :25:24. | :25:27. | |
non-readers by giving them this very thorough grounding in curriculum in | :25:28. | :25:33. | |
the Scandinavian manner, that is number one thing that I was achieved | :25:34. | :25:39. | |
and it has taken ten years to roll it out, but we have finally done it. | :25:40. | :25:43. | |
There is one thing he will not have to live with any more. I am | :25:44. | :25:48. | |
gradually finding the kind of sense of pressure on me lifting. I slept | :25:49. | :25:53. | |
unbelievably well for three night in a row. When was the last time you | :25:54. | :26:00. | |
had such good sleep? Ten years ago. I think the weight of office does | :26:01. | :26:05. | |
have an effect. I hope Carwyn Jones is not watching this. Looking back, | :26:06. | :26:10. | |
definitely something has happened over the last three days that is | :26:11. | :26:14. | |
different from the previous ten years. In retirement he concentrated | :26:15. | :26:25. | |
on his family and life at home. We were neighbours for a period and he | :26:26. | :26:29. | |
was a brilliant Gardner and so on. He was very active at that time, | :26:30. | :26:35. | |
physically active, and he was physically active to the very end | :26:36. | :26:40. | |
despite his illnesses. That was his strength of character coming | :26:41. | :26:45. | |
through. But he never gave up on politics. Out campaigning for the | :26:46. | :26:48. | |
Labour Party for next month's general election. There is nobody | :26:49. | :26:54. | |
who could compare with Rhodri in many ways. He was a witty, kind | :26:55. | :27:00. | |
polymath and I will miss him immensely, as I am sure everyone in | :27:01. | :27:04. | |
Wales will, even those he did not know him. He was that kind of | :27:05. | :27:11. | |
person. He was a giant of the Labour Party and the labour movement and | :27:12. | :27:16. | |
Julie, his wife, also an MP, obviously they are all devastated by | :27:17. | :27:20. | |
this shocking news and I put my arms around them all. Give a really big | :27:21. | :27:28. | |
labour welcome. I think that it is impossible to follow in Rhodri's | :27:29. | :27:33. | |
footsteps because as we say in Wales, he was on his own. Thank you, | :27:34. | :27:41. | |
conference. He was a one-off. | :27:42. | :27:52. |