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# She licked her lips She felt sublime | 0:00:30 | 0:00:34 | |
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# Barry cringed in fear and dread | 0:00:39 | 0:00:42 | |
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# "Let's do it, let's do it Do me while the mood is right | 0:00:47 | 0:00:51 | |
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# "I could handle half the tenors in a male-voice choir..." # | 0:00:58 | 0:01:03 | |
This woman is a genius. If I know she's on, I always watch... Me and thousands of others. | 0:01:03 | 0:01:09 | |
# This fashion for passion Turns us into nervous wrecks | 0:01:09 | 0:01:13 | |
# No derision - my decision - | 0:01:13 | 0:01:15 | |
# I'd rather watch The Spinners on the television - I can't do it I can't do it tonight. # | 0:01:15 | 0:01:22 | |
Victoria Wood just makes me laugh. I've been to see her four times. | 0:01:22 | 0:01:27 | |
You come away so happy cos you've laughed so much. | 0:01:27 | 0:01:31 | |
# This folly is jolly Bend me over backwards on my hostess trolley | 0:01:31 | 0:01:35 | |
# let's do it Let's do it tonight | 0:01:35 | 0:01:38 | |
# I can't do it, I can't do it | 0:01:38 | 0:01:41 | |
# My heavy-breathing days are gone... # | 0:01:41 | 0:01:44 | |
Victoria's a SET of breakthroughs, a D-Day army landing. | 0:01:44 | 0:01:48 | |
At the heart of it are her powers of observation. | 0:01:48 | 0:01:52 | |
She's who you'd least like to have behind you in the supermarket queue. | 0:01:52 | 0:01:57 | |
She'd be noticing everything in your trolley and reading your character. | 0:01:57 | 0:02:03 | |
She's a terrific social observer. | 0:02:03 | 0:02:05 | |
-Hi! -Hi! | 0:02:05 | 0:02:07 | |
Victoria Wood is Britain's most versatile entertainer. | 0:02:07 | 0:02:12 | |
The only comedian to sellout 15 nights in a row at the Albert Hall, | 0:02:12 | 0:02:17 | |
she's won acclaim as a musician, actress and playwright. And she writes all her own material. | 0:02:17 | 0:02:24 | |
This month she's in her first sitcom - set in a factory canteen - called Dinner Ladies. | 0:02:24 | 0:02:30 | |
-The women are the central characters? -Five women and two men. -But the humour's often very "female", | 0:02:30 | 0:02:38 | |
and the men are mystified alongside. | 0:02:38 | 0:02:41 | |
'Did you see that film on Sunday?' | 0:02:41 | 0:02:44 | |
-On Sky? -No, real telly. Dirk Bogarde. | 0:02:44 | 0:02:47 | |
On Sky the film was about this woman whose husband died in this avalanche. | 0:02:47 | 0:02:52 | |
She finds his sperm in the freezer - gets pregnant with a turkey baster. | 0:02:52 | 0:02:57 | |
LAUGHTER ON TV CLIP | 0:02:57 | 0:03:01 | |
She's been distraught cos they'd had no children... Should've cleaned her freezer sooner. | 0:03:05 | 0:03:12 | |
Now, it's set in the north, > | 0:03:14 | 0:03:16 | |
-absolutely the home of your humour. -Mmm. -But you're now a southerner. | 0:03:16 | 0:03:22 | |
-You've... -I'M not a southerner. -You ARE. You've lived here seven years. | 0:03:22 | 0:03:28 | |
I know! You can live ANYWHERE. I carry my heart with me wherever I go. I carry my LANGUAGE with me. | 0:03:28 | 0:03:35 | |
'Do you? Or do you have to keep going back to refresh your ear?' | 0:03:35 | 0:03:40 | |
-'No, I don't. Cos I talk like that meself.' -SHE LAUGHS | 0:03:40 | 0:03:46 | |
Victoria was born in Lancashire in 1953, | 0:03:46 | 0:03:49 | |
and spent most of her childhood | 0:03:49 | 0:03:52 | |
in a house on a hill near Ramsbottom. | 0:03:52 | 0:03:56 | |
A solitary child, she was quietly determined from an early age. | 0:03:56 | 0:04:01 | |
'I thought about becoming famous. | 0:04:01 | 0:04:04 | |
'That was the first thing I thought. I think I was about four then.' | 0:04:04 | 0:04:09 | |
-Got any jokes for this sketch yet? -Nope. | 0:04:13 | 0:04:17 | |
'I suppose I was about...12 | 0:04:17 | 0:04:20 | |
'when I thought about singing songs or telling jokes or something.' | 0:04:20 | 0:04:27 | |
I hadn't articulated it as wanting to be a stand-up comic - more as wanting to be a comic actress | 0:04:27 | 0:04:34 | |
in films or on the stage. At home I was working at the piano and writing funny lyrics. | 0:04:34 | 0:04:41 | |
I WAS edging that way and didn't know. | 0:04:41 | 0:04:45 | |
By the time I was 17, I remember saying to my friend Lesley, "I want to be a one-woman entertainer." | 0:04:45 | 0:04:53 | |
But I didn't know how you did it. | 0:04:53 | 0:04:55 | |
By the time Victoria had made up her mind she wanted to get into show biz, she was in the sixth form | 0:05:00 | 0:05:08 | |
at Bury Grammar School for Girls. Her humour had made her popular amongst her classmates - | 0:05:08 | 0:05:15 | |
but not, sadly, with her teachers. | 0:05:15 | 0:05:17 | |
A teacher's nightmare. She didn't apply herself if she wasn't interested. | 0:05:17 | 0:05:23 | |
Frustrating for THEM, I see now, cos she was a bright kid, | 0:05:23 | 0:05:28 | |
and wouldn't really try. She'd hide away in the music practice room, | 0:05:28 | 0:05:33 | |
play piano and sing and while away the time rather than doing her homework. | 0:05:33 | 0:05:39 | |
Having been clever at junior school, I went to grammar school and EVERYBODY was clever. | 0:05:39 | 0:05:46 | |
Instead of saying, "I'll be MORE clever", I just sunk underneath. "I won't compete, won't do homework. | 0:05:46 | 0:05:54 | |
"I won't wear clean shirts or wash my hair..." Just SANK below the surface. | 0:05:54 | 0:06:00 | |
I wouldn't be an adolescent again if you bumped me pocket money up to 3/6d! You're going along happily... | 0:06:00 | 0:06:07 | |
10, 11... Suddenly the dial inside clicks | 0:06:07 | 0:06:10 | |
from "fun" to "grease". Everyone at school had really greasy hair. | 0:06:10 | 0:06:15 | |
Made sealskin look dry and unmanageable. | 0:06:15 | 0:06:18 | |
At the age of 15, Victoria stumbled across a youth theatre group | 0:06:18 | 0:06:23 | |
that had taken over the top floor of a junior school in Rochdale. | 0:06:23 | 0:06:28 | |
"The sun came out for me the moment I walked through the door," she commented years later. | 0:06:28 | 0:06:35 | |
It wasn't just like an amateur dramatic society. | 0:06:35 | 0:06:38 | |
It was a big, empty school with a big, empty space where people were creative. | 0:06:38 | 0:06:45 | |
It didn't MATTER if you had spots or you were fat, 15 or 45. There were lots of people doing things. | 0:06:45 | 0:06:52 | |
Bring a play - somebody would read it. You could do lighting. ANYTHING. | 0:06:52 | 0:06:57 | |
When she first saw it, she was quiet. | 0:06:57 | 0:07:01 | |
But when she became involved in activities, that quietness went, and flair and energy were soon apparent. | 0:07:01 | 0:07:09 | |
She was very quick-witted, and could pun and use language well. | 0:07:09 | 0:07:13 | |
The stuff she was improvising had the acute observation of life you see now. | 0:07:13 | 0:07:19 | |
While others had faith in her abilities, Victoria herself was totally lacking in self-confidence. | 0:07:19 | 0:07:26 | |
Her feeling of inadequacy increased when she left school in 1971 | 0:07:26 | 0:07:31 | |
to study drama at Birmingham University. | 0:07:31 | 0:07:35 | |
"I partly want to go for the education - and also for the social life. Just the words 'on campus', | 0:07:35 | 0:07:42 | |
"they have such an exciting sound." | 0:07:42 | 0:07:45 | |
'I didn't have any O levels so I really was fortunate in getting any sort of offer from any university.' | 0:07:45 | 0:07:53 | |
Some of it was really good. And it was nice to be in a bunch of people. | 0:07:53 | 0:07:58 | |
But it played to my own insecurity, | 0:07:58 | 0:08:00 | |
my feeling that I wasn't as good as everybody else, that I wasn't as good-looking and I wasn't as clever. | 0:08:00 | 0:08:08 | |
-Your zip's undone! -Oh! | 0:08:08 | 0:08:13 | |
That settles it. Back on the old diet. | 0:08:13 | 0:08:16 | |
'I ducked out completely. I didn't go to lectures or do any work...' | 0:08:16 | 0:08:21 | |
-You're not really fat to me. -Oh! My hero! | 0:08:21 | 0:08:25 | |
'I went and I wrote plays, or found pianos and played - all the time.' | 0:08:25 | 0:08:30 | |
I started to make little inroads, I suppose. | 0:08:30 | 0:08:34 | |
At 21, still a student, Victoria won a place on the ITV talent show New Faces - | 0:08:39 | 0:08:45 | |
then at the height of its success. | 0:08:45 | 0:08:48 | |
# There's a tin in the office | 0:08:51 | 0:08:54 | |
# Cupboard | 0:08:54 | 0:08:57 | |
# Labelled "Lorraine" | 0:08:57 | 0:08:59 | |
# Because I've gone and got engaged | 0:08:59 | 0:09:04 | |
# Again. # | 0:09:04 | 0:09:05 | |
She got through to the all-winner's final, but failed connect with the public in the same way | 0:09:05 | 0:09:12 | |
as Marti Caine - or a 16-year-old impressionist called Lenny Henry - | 0:09:12 | 0:09:18 | |
and her career was slow to take off. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:21 | |
# I ought to get thin for the wedding... # | 0:09:21 | 0:09:25 | |
The show used to get lots of calls. There was very little comment about her - although she'd won the show. | 0:09:25 | 0:09:32 | |
And we'd had no calls from any agent. | 0:09:32 | 0:09:34 | |
Only one person - a guy I happened to know - | 0:09:34 | 0:09:39 | |
said he liked her. I said, "Well, talk to her." They talked, and they got together, but it didn't work out. | 0:09:39 | 0:09:46 | |
No-one knew where to put her. You couldn't give her a stand-up show, | 0:09:46 | 0:09:51 | |
she didn't seem like an actress, you couldn't cast her. They knew she had talent. Harnessing it was a problem. | 0:09:51 | 0:09:59 | |
Somebody said, "You'll never work. You are sophisticated cabaret, and there IS no sophisticated cabaret. | 0:09:59 | 0:10:06 | |
"You'll never get to play a big audience." I thought, "I WILL." | 0:10:06 | 0:10:11 | |
# We used to do things before sex was a habit | 0:10:11 | 0:10:15 | |
# Send anonymous letters to next-door's pet rabbit... # | 0:10:15 | 0:10:20 | |
Being a regular guest on That's Life, the biggest show on British TV, | 0:10:20 | 0:10:26 | |
kept Victoria in the public eye, though her fee was so low she had to go on drawing the dole. | 0:10:26 | 0:10:33 | |
More important in the long-term was her first meeting | 0:10:33 | 0:10:37 | |
with the man who would become her personal and professional partner - | 0:10:37 | 0:10:42 | |
comedy magician Geoffrey Durham - The Great Suprendo. | 0:10:42 | 0:10:47 | |
I say the magic words - piff puff poof...and there is a real... | 0:10:47 | 0:10:52 | |
sugar lump. | 0:10:52 | 0:10:55 | |
Just out of That's Life, I went to visit a friend in Leicester who was in a theatre company with Geoffrey. | 0:10:55 | 0:11:02 | |
"We need a piano player for two weeks for this cowboy show in Southampton. D'you want it?" | 0:11:02 | 0:11:09 | |
"Yeah!" Cos it was 20 quid a week. | 0:11:09 | 0:11:11 | |
And that was when we met... | 0:11:11 | 0:11:15 | |
And we sort of got together then... | 0:11:15 | 0:11:19 | |
And from that moment on...we've BEEN together. And that was 1976. | 0:11:19 | 0:11:25 | |
After the success on New faces she did have a period in the doldrums. | 0:11:25 | 0:11:30 | |
Things got going when she met Geoffrey Durham. | 0:11:30 | 0:11:34 | |
I think, without him, it's possible she wouldn't have such a big career. She'd be famous and successful. | 0:11:34 | 0:11:41 | |
But his contribution shouldn't be underestimated. | 0:11:41 | 0:11:45 | |
MUSIC: "Happy Days Are Here Again" | 0:11:45 | 0:11:49 | |
That was a fantastic stroke of luck, to meet him. I was only 23. | 0:11:49 | 0:11:53 | |
I'd had relationships, but I wasn't IN one at that time. | 0:11:53 | 0:11:58 | |
I couldn't have met a better person for me. I could work stuff out with him. He came to all my first jobs. | 0:11:58 | 0:12:05 | |
He'd iron my costume. I drove for him when he was being The Great Suprendo. We did it together. | 0:12:05 | 0:12:12 | |
The road to success wasn't easy. In the late '70s Victoria and Geoffrey started to perform together. | 0:12:12 | 0:12:20 | |
But there were few outlets then for acts like theirs. | 0:12:20 | 0:12:24 | |
Things didn't improve when they took the somewhat eccentric decision to base themselves | 0:12:24 | 0:12:31 | |
in the seaside resort of Morecambe. | 0:12:31 | 0:12:34 | |
We do have...strange mental defects, Geoff and I! | 0:12:35 | 0:12:39 | |
And that was one of aberrations that we had. | 0:12:39 | 0:12:43 | |
What we should've done was gone to London to pursue our grand careers in variety before it finally died. | 0:12:43 | 0:12:51 | |
But he had a job with the Duke's Playhouse, doing a summer season in Morecambe. We went for the summer. | 0:12:51 | 0:12:58 | |
Then we just got a flat. It was cos I'd seen an Alan Bennett play about Morecambe. "Be funny to live there." | 0:12:58 | 0:13:06 | |
It's NOT funny to live somewhere just cos you've seen it on TV! It was MAD. But I don't regret it. | 0:13:06 | 0:13:13 | |
The first sign of real improvement in Victoria's fortunes came in 1978. | 0:13:13 | 0:13:18 | |
She was asked to write and perform some topical songs for a theatrical revue, In At The Death, | 0:13:18 | 0:13:25 | |
to open at the Bush Theatre, West London. | 0:13:25 | 0:13:28 | |
Thanks to That's Life, writing songs to order was now seen as Victoria's speciality. | 0:13:28 | 0:13:35 | |
She was keen to demonstrate she was capable of more. She soon got a chance. | 0:13:35 | 0:13:42 | |
It was too short, this revue, and they needed another sketch writing. | 0:13:42 | 0:13:47 | |
And in the lunch hour, Victoria - | 0:13:47 | 0:13:49 | |
who'd only been hired to write songs, nothing to do with sketches - | 0:13:49 | 0:13:55 | |
wrote a sketch and asked for it to be considered. | 0:13:55 | 0:14:00 | |
And it was a very good sketch indeed. | 0:14:00 | 0:14:03 | |
The sketch was incorporated into the show. | 0:14:03 | 0:14:07 | |
Victoria was allowed to appear with two more experienced actresses. | 0:14:07 | 0:14:12 | |
One was a fellow-northerner, Julie Walters, | 0:14:12 | 0:14:16 | |
with whom she established an instant rapport. | 0:14:16 | 0:14:20 | |
We hit it off straight away. Doing her play was the FUNNIEST thing. I thought, "This is heaven!" | 0:14:20 | 0:14:27 | |
It was "Sex". It brought the house down every night. Incredibly funny. | 0:14:27 | 0:14:32 | |
It just made me roar with laughter. It was heaven to play. | 0:14:32 | 0:14:36 | |
I can only remember... Julie's the librarian who thinks she's pregnant. | 0:14:36 | 0:14:41 | |
I'm a busybody. Alison Fiske comes in, New Age hippy, and says, "Where are you in the menstrual cycle?" | 0:14:41 | 0:14:49 | |
She says, "Taurus..." I thought it was quite a good joke! | 0:14:49 | 0:14:53 | |
I can't remember more, but it was recognisably my sort of jokes. It was so wonderful to hear them. | 0:14:53 | 0:15:00 | |
Victoria's sketch and the songs that accompanied it went down very well, | 0:15:00 | 0:15:06 | |
and got her a commission to write her first full-length play. | 0:15:06 | 0:15:11 | |
David Leland was doing a new season at The Crucible. "Why not write a play for me?" he said casually, | 0:15:11 | 0:15:18 | |
I equally casually said, "Why not?" I went back to my flat in Morecambe. | 0:15:18 | 0:15:23 | |
I'd write it at night and Geoffrey would type it, slowly, with lots of swearing, next day. | 0:15:23 | 0:15:30 | |
Took three weeks. Fantastic success. | 0:15:30 | 0:15:33 | |
# Julie, time is moving on... # | 0:15:33 | 0:15:38 | |
After long stage runs in Sheffield and London, Talent made it onto TV. | 0:15:38 | 0:15:43 | |
The story of two young women trying to survive in the shark-infested waters of provincial show biz, | 0:15:43 | 0:15:51 | |
the play offered viewers an early glimpse of Victoria's distinctive comic style | 0:15:51 | 0:15:57 | |
and confirmed the strength of her partnership with Julie Walters. | 0:15:57 | 0:16:02 | |
'Were you waiting ages for me?' | 0:16:02 | 0:16:05 | |
I was stroking my goldfish and forgot I still had my watch on. | 0:16:05 | 0:16:10 | |
Then I had that funny bus conductor. | 0:16:10 | 0:16:12 | |
Nice body, but cross eyes. Always pretends he won't let me off the bus. | 0:16:12 | 0:16:18 | |
-I -never have any trouble with him. -God, I'm nervous! | 0:16:18 | 0:16:23 | |
Talent was brilliant. I was in sixth form at the time, | 0:16:23 | 0:16:27 | |
and I was thinking about whether to do drama at poly or be a secretary. | 0:16:27 | 0:16:32 | |
But I thought Talent was so funny and I loved them both in it | 0:16:32 | 0:16:37 | |
and it was then that I thought, yeah, I WOULD do drama. | 0:16:37 | 0:16:42 | |
I'm shaking! I haven't been so nervous since I was the Virgin Mary! | 0:16:42 | 0:16:48 | |
-That's going back a bit! -You're not kidding! | 0:16:48 | 0:16:52 | |
Victoria was grateful for the professional boost Talent gave her | 0:16:52 | 0:16:57 | |
but was uncomfortable with some of the publicity she began to attract. | 0:16:57 | 0:17:02 | |
It upset me if they said I was fat. I felt they shouldn't mention it. | 0:17:02 | 0:17:08 | |
I felt it wasn't relevant but, of course, it's a British obsession. | 0:17:08 | 0:17:13 | |
I was patronised either for being fat, being a woman or being a northerner. | 0:17:13 | 0:17:19 | |
"You've come from Morecambe?! What time did you get up at?" Shut up! | 0:17:19 | 0:17:24 | |
I was living in a world of mad southerners. | 0:17:24 | 0:17:27 | |
# Pretend to be northern Just smile like this... # | 0:17:27 | 0:17:33 | |
Wood And Walters, the quirky sketch show that was the next milestone along Victoria's road to fame, | 0:17:33 | 0:17:40 | |
was a deliberate attempt to prolong the double act with Julie Walters. | 0:17:40 | 0:17:46 | |
# You just go "Tripe, clogs, going to the dogs | 0:17:46 | 0:17:51 | |
# "Brass bands, butties in yer hands Whippets and next door's mam!" # | 0:17:51 | 0:17:56 | |
The critics were kind to the show but it had a few problems, | 0:17:56 | 0:18:00 | |
including a deeply unsuitable studio audience. | 0:18:00 | 0:18:04 | |
Mrs Merton has an audience of old ladies - fantastic for HER, but for US, that was dire! | 0:18:04 | 0:18:11 | |
They'd say, "We missed Brideshead for this!" | 0:18:11 | 0:18:15 | |
And "What's a boutique?" we heard one day in the audience! | 0:18:15 | 0:18:20 | |
-Hi, chaps. -Evening. -Welcome to the comedy show with a difference. | 0:18:20 | 0:18:25 | |
-It's upbeat. -Zany. -It doesn't get laughs. | 0:18:25 | 0:18:28 | |
'We used to get in a warm-up man,' | 0:18:28 | 0:18:31 | |
and he'd try to whip them up and they'd all sit there, looking up... | 0:18:31 | 0:18:38 | |
Eventually, he took his trousers down and showed them his bottom! | 0:18:38 | 0:18:43 | |
No response. So we thought, "No. No, we haven't got a chance!" | 0:18:43 | 0:18:48 | |
When Wood And Walters came to an end after just one series, | 0:18:48 | 0:18:53 | |
Victoria decided to concentrate on her career as a live solo performer. | 0:18:53 | 0:18:58 | |
With traditional variety in long-term decline and live comedy starting to boom, | 0:18:58 | 0:19:05 | |
she decided to down-play the musical side of her act and become a fully-fledged stand-up comedian - | 0:19:05 | 0:19:12 | |
a change of course that entailed a change of image. | 0:19:12 | 0:19:16 | |
I remember quite a lot of sort of agonising about what you wear and she put on this tweed jacket. | 0:19:16 | 0:19:24 | |
It looked OK, except it didn't quite look comedianish. So she said, "What do I do now?" | 0:19:24 | 0:19:31 | |
And one of us said, "Why not wear a tie with the jacket?" | 0:19:31 | 0:19:37 | |
And for ages she became identified with jackets and tie. | 0:19:37 | 0:19:42 | |
I used to get a lot of lesbians dressing like me. | 0:19:42 | 0:19:46 | |
I had very short hair and a tie, and it was a very masculine look. Quite an in-fashion look then, too. | 0:19:46 | 0:19:54 | |
Anyway, I used to get enormous women coming back with cropped heads and ties. Scary! | 0:19:54 | 0:20:01 | |
Ladies and gentlemen, Victoria Wood! APPLAUSE | 0:20:01 | 0:20:04 | |
'I was probably giving off an androgynous signal, | 0:20:04 | 0:20:08 | |
'cos it wasn't a look that said, "I'm a sexy woman," or, "I'm a butch woman." | 0:20:08 | 0:20:14 | |
'It was saying, "Whatever I am, just take it. Don't analyse it." ' | 0:20:14 | 0:20:19 | |
Thanks for coming. Cos you could've stayed at home and had a cosy domestic evening, eh? Rowing! | 0:20:19 | 0:20:27 | |
"Daphne, why's your Dutch cap on the draining board?!" | 0:20:27 | 0:20:31 | |
Audiences were small at first for Victoria's live shows. | 0:20:31 | 0:20:36 | |
Even her closest friends wondered if she had taken a wrong turn, | 0:20:36 | 0:20:41 | |
but she was always sure she'd chosen the right path. | 0:20:41 | 0:20:45 | |
'Being a comedian takes a long time. I was devoted to learning the job.' | 0:20:45 | 0:20:50 | |
Julie was doing Educating Rita and being nominated for Oscars | 0:20:50 | 0:20:55 | |
and I was playing Southport Theatre to 250 people. | 0:20:55 | 0:20:58 | |
I suppose I WAS jealous, but basically I was dedicated to learning that job. | 0:20:58 | 0:21:05 | |
Terrible things, bras. There was a test in a magazine to see if you needed one or not. The test was: | 0:21:05 | 0:21:12 | |
-if you could hold a pencil under... -LAUGHTER | 0:21:12 | 0:21:16 | |
..SHE knows what I mean! | 0:21:16 | 0:21:18 | |
It was depressing for me! I could hold a small branch of WH Smith under mine! | 0:21:18 | 0:21:25 | |
After two years of live performances, | 0:21:26 | 0:21:29 | |
Victoria returned to television to make her first series for the BBC - | 0:21:29 | 0:21:34 | |
a sketch show that won instant acclaim. | 0:21:34 | 0:21:38 | |
I was just really up for doing more TV. You know, I'd done Wood And Walters in 1980, | 0:21:38 | 0:21:45 | |
so it was four years on and I'd been going round the theatres and had loads of ideas and energy. | 0:21:45 | 0:21:53 | |
I'd write sketches on filing cards and arrange a series that went, "Song, quickie, sketch..." | 0:21:53 | 0:22:00 | |
We'd like to apologise to viewers in the north. | 0:22:00 | 0:22:03 | |
It must be awful for them. LAUGHTER | 0:22:03 | 0:22:06 | |
Her writing has a marvellous sense of economy and structure. | 0:22:06 | 0:22:11 | |
For me, it all comes alive when it's acted out by, say, her and Julie. | 0:22:11 | 0:22:16 | |
-She wants to do that Jane Fonda. -What? -That exercise thing - nemobics. -What's that? | 0:22:16 | 0:22:23 | |
-Her next door does it. You can hear her through t'grate. You have to clench those buttocks. -Do you? | 0:22:23 | 0:22:31 | |
SHE'LL never get HERS clenched! It'd take two big lads and a wheelbarrow! | 0:22:31 | 0:22:38 | |
I loved Kitty - that was Patricia Routledge. | 0:22:38 | 0:22:42 | |
'That was a brilliant character.' | 0:22:42 | 0:22:45 | |
First day I met her, she said... | 0:22:45 | 0:22:47 | |
She said, "I'm a radical feminist lesbian." | 0:22:47 | 0:22:51 | |
I thought, "What would the Queen Mum do?" LAUGHTER | 0:22:51 | 0:22:57 | |
So I just smiled and said, "We shall have fun by tea time!" LAUGHTER | 0:22:57 | 0:23:03 | |
And I remember when I was at poly when I was doing drama, I used to learn those off by heart, | 0:23:03 | 0:23:10 | |
learn those Kitty things off by heart, and then do them for my mum! | 0:23:10 | 0:23:16 | |
AS Seen On TV was the perfect showcase | 0:23:16 | 0:23:19 | |
for Victoria's unique brand of observational humour. It was jam-packed with memorable sketches, | 0:23:19 | 0:23:27 | |
the spoof soap opera Acorn Antiques being most people's favourite. | 0:23:27 | 0:23:32 | |
It certainly sounds like a genuine Picasso, Martin, but I'd have to see it to be sure. | 0:23:32 | 0:23:39 | |
She's not selfish with her writing. She shares it out. Acorn Antiques was a fantastic ensemble piece. | 0:23:39 | 0:23:47 | |
'I think there was a lot of Crossroads in it.' | 0:23:47 | 0:23:52 | |
I have something to tell you, Babs. | 0:23:52 | 0:23:54 | |
Shall I go? No, stay. | 0:23:54 | 0:23:58 | |
And please come back, Mrs O. | 0:23:58 | 0:24:01 | |
What I have to say concerns everybody. | 0:24:01 | 0:24:05 | |
I was very proud of Acorn Antiques cos nobody but me could see... | 0:24:09 | 0:24:14 | |
I said, "Just wait. I KNOW this'll be funny." | 0:24:14 | 0:24:18 | |
The fact is, Mrs O, my life seems completely grey, bleak and pointless. | 0:24:18 | 0:24:24 | |
Well, that's God's way of getting you to enjoy Gardeners' World. | 0:24:24 | 0:24:30 | |
HYSTERICAL LAUGHTER | 0:24:30 | 0:24:32 | |
You see, things can't be all that bad! | 0:24:35 | 0:24:39 | |
Bloody Nora! | 0:24:39 | 0:24:41 | |
Acorn Antiques featured three of Victoria's regular collaborators - Julie Walters as Mrs Overall, | 0:24:41 | 0:24:49 | |
Duncan Preston as Mr Clifford, and Celia Imrie as Miss Babs. | 0:24:49 | 0:24:54 | |
Don't say any more, Mrs O. The baby alarm was on. We heard the whole darn thing! | 0:24:54 | 0:25:01 | |
One of my favourite bits, I suppose, | 0:25:01 | 0:25:04 | |
was when Acorn Antiques was turned into a health farm for no reason. | 0:25:04 | 0:25:09 | |
It was never referred to, but we all wore headbands and sweatshirts | 0:25:09 | 0:25:14 | |
and Mrs Overall arrived in a lime-green leotard. | 0:25:14 | 0:25:18 | |
Victoria came in, before we actually got to that scene when she comes in in it... | 0:25:18 | 0:25:25 | |
and she came in and she nearly died laughing! | 0:25:25 | 0:25:28 | |
I'd seen the leotard hung up in the wardrobe, | 0:25:28 | 0:25:33 | |
but when Julie came in, her crotch all concertinaed and her headband... | 0:25:33 | 0:25:38 | |
I couldn't speak! I had to be carried out the studio. | 0:25:38 | 0:25:41 | |
Here we are! | 0:25:41 | 0:25:43 | |
A nice tray of decaffeinated coffee, low-fat milk and sugar-free sugar. | 0:25:43 | 0:25:50 | |
-Goodness, how healthy! -I enjoyed myself! -How was aerobics? | 0:25:50 | 0:25:54 | |
I enjoyed myself...! Correct footwear, | 0:25:54 | 0:25:57 | |
a supportive brassiere to prevent chafing | 0:25:57 | 0:26:01 | |
-and plenty of attention from a qualified instructor. -Sounds ideal! | 0:26:01 | 0:26:06 | |
Best light entertainment performance, Clive? | 0:26:06 | 0:26:09 | |
CLIVE: I'm glad to say the winner is Victoria Wood! | 0:26:09 | 0:26:14 | |
The British Academy Award she won for the series was confirmation that Victoria was now a star. | 0:26:14 | 0:26:21 | |
At 32, with 11 years as a professional performer behind her, | 0:26:21 | 0:26:27 | |
she'd finally joined the entertainment elite. | 0:26:27 | 0:26:31 | |
Um... I only do one performance, so it's nice to get a prize for it. Thank you very much. | 0:26:32 | 0:26:40 | |
The BBC were keen for As Seen On TV to run and run, but Victoria had other plans. | 0:26:41 | 0:26:48 | |
After two series and a Christmas special, she killed the show off | 0:26:50 | 0:26:55 | |
and switched channels to ITV, for whom she made this one-off spectacular. | 0:26:55 | 0:27:02 | |
Ladies and gentlemen, Victoria Wood! | 0:27:02 | 0:27:05 | |
She gave an hour-long solo performance in front of an audience sprinkled with famous faces. | 0:27:05 | 0:27:12 | |
Welcome to London Weekend TV. This is Studio 1, where Michael Aspel interviewed Elizabeth Taylor. | 0:27:12 | 0:27:19 | |
There's still a pool of nervous sweat back there! | 0:27:19 | 0:27:23 | |
Don't know why she was so worried about meeting him! | 0:27:23 | 0:27:27 | |
..For some reason, that night, | 0:27:27 | 0:27:31 | |
in that studio, with that audience, there was a sort of a spark. | 0:27:31 | 0:27:36 | |
She went through the whole thing without a single fluff...without a recording break of any kind. | 0:27:36 | 0:27:44 | |
It was much more nerve-racking cos you could see all their faces. | 0:27:44 | 0:27:49 | |
Seeing a load of old newsreaders when you're telling jokes is not the best ambience for me. | 0:27:49 | 0:27:56 | |
You ask for celebrities and you only get desperate people who'll go anywhere | 0:27:56 | 0:28:02 | |
if a Ford Granada will take them to the studio! | 0:28:02 | 0:28:06 | |
We've not done bad. Who have we got? Some friends of Wincey Willis? And some people from Guildford! | 0:28:06 | 0:28:14 | |
They're up in the balcony. We don't show them cos they're not famous! | 0:28:14 | 0:28:20 | |
I enjoyed it, but my legs were hurting cos I was pregnant and I was stood up all the way through. | 0:28:21 | 0:28:27 | |
The pregnancy prompted Victoria and Geoffrey to look at how they were running their lives. | 0:28:27 | 0:28:34 | |
By the end of the '80s they decided to leave the Lancashire village and move south to London. | 0:28:34 | 0:28:41 | |
I could feel, on a very basic level, | 0:28:41 | 0:28:44 | |
that I should not live in that isolated way. | 0:28:44 | 0:28:48 | |
I was brought up in a funny house on a hill with nobody around, | 0:28:48 | 0:28:53 | |
then I recreated those circumstances when I got married. | 0:28:53 | 0:28:58 | |
But then I wanted to join the human race and that's what I did. | 0:28:58 | 0:29:04 | |
For the baby's sake, we wanted to live a normal life, | 0:29:04 | 0:29:09 | |
so she wouldn't be the only person with famous parents. | 0:29:09 | 0:29:13 | |
In 1992, Victoria, Geoffrey and their two children | 0:29:17 | 0:29:23 | |
moved to a leafy part of North London where they have lived since. | 0:29:23 | 0:29:28 | |
Big city life seems to suit Victoria. | 0:29:28 | 0:29:31 | |
Many of her friends have noticed quite a change in her personality. | 0:29:31 | 0:29:36 | |
Every time I see her, she's happier. | 0:29:36 | 0:29:39 | |
She's at one with who she is, where she is in the business, what she's doing with her family... | 0:29:39 | 0:29:46 | |
I'm not saying she's got a perfect life - nobody has! But she's... | 0:29:46 | 0:29:51 | |
She's happy with herself - I think that's the key to it. | 0:29:51 | 0:29:56 | |
I think she had... | 0:29:56 | 0:29:59 | |
probably a problematical childhood in a way, | 0:29:59 | 0:30:03 | |
which honed her sense of... her observation. | 0:30:03 | 0:30:07 | |
And she's one of those people who can... | 0:30:07 | 0:30:12 | |
..reason things out. "I am like this because..." | 0:30:13 | 0:30:17 | |
But she's just now a terrifically... rounded human being. | 0:30:17 | 0:30:23 | |
And I don't mean in a physical sense! | 0:30:23 | 0:30:27 | |
When we met...she was | 0:30:27 | 0:30:30 | |
probably the shyest person I ever met in my life. | 0:30:30 | 0:30:34 | |
Um, and she still is fairly shy, I think. | 0:30:34 | 0:30:39 | |
But she's become...very, very adept and skilled at handling it. | 0:30:39 | 0:30:45 | |
She used to think everyone was looking at her and that worried her. | 0:30:45 | 0:30:50 | |
Now everybody IS looking at her and it's ceased to worry her | 0:30:50 | 0:30:55 | |
because she's now doing the job she always wanted to do. | 0:30:55 | 0:31:00 | |
-In 1994, Victoria added a new item to her long list of achievements | 0:31:00 | 0:31:05 | |
by writing and starring in her first TV movie - | 0:31:05 | 0:31:09 | |
the very accomplished Pat And Margaret. | 0:31:09 | 0:31:13 | |
That's it! Thank you! | 0:31:13 | 0:31:15 | |
Pat And Margaret had a very chequered history | 0:31:15 | 0:31:19 | |
because it was written for a TV company who wanted to put it out for cinema release. | 0:31:19 | 0:31:26 | |
-The coach is outside! -I'm waiting for chips. -A TV show to get to and she's waiting for chips! | 0:31:26 | 0:31:34 | |
And this TV company suddenly said, "We hate it. It's no good at all. It won't work. We're not doing it." | 0:31:34 | 0:31:42 | |
When it WAS successful and people REALLY liked it, | 0:31:42 | 0:31:46 | |
it was wonderful! One in the eye for the people who turned it down! | 0:31:46 | 0:31:51 | |
< This is your magic moment... | 0:31:51 | 0:31:54 | |
< Margaret Mottishead! | 0:31:54 | 0:31:57 | |
Pat and Margaret told the comical yet moving story of two sisters - | 0:32:00 | 0:32:05 | |
Motorway waitress, Margaret Mottishead, played by Victoria herself, | 0:32:05 | 0:32:11 | |
and megastar Patricia Bedford, played by Julie Walters - | 0:32:11 | 0:32:16 | |
who are reunited by the host of a fictional TV show, after living very different lives for 20 years. | 0:32:16 | 0:32:24 | |
< Come and meet your sister, Patricia Bedford! | 0:32:24 | 0:32:27 | |
'Pat And Margaret I just absolutely loved.' | 0:32:36 | 0:32:40 | |
A lot of people would've given themselves a fully-formed character, | 0:32:41 | 0:32:46 | |
and the best lines, and made the other parts paper-thin. | 0:32:46 | 0:32:51 | |
But every single character in this film is really well thought-up. | 0:32:51 | 0:32:57 | |
The dazzling thing was that I could see the two sides of Victoria. | 0:32:57 | 0:33:02 | |
Julie was "the star" Victoria, Victoria was "Victoria" Victoria. | 0:33:02 | 0:33:07 | |
It was an extraordinary thing to make humour out of, the actual split in the personality. | 0:33:07 | 0:33:14 | |
I drew from my own experience of becoming famous. | 0:33:14 | 0:33:18 | |
I don't love being famous but I enjoy a lot of what it brings. | 0:33:18 | 0:33:23 | |
I was determined to be famous from a very early age. | 0:33:23 | 0:33:27 | |
And I also have that very... sort of blunt side that doesn't take any notice of it at all. | 0:33:27 | 0:33:34 | |
'I was interested in that clash.' | 0:33:34 | 0:33:37 | |
Press the Chanel and the Saint Laurent immediately, compri-hende? | 0:33:37 | 0:33:42 | |
Bring them back the second the work's completed. As an icon, I'm very vulnerable. | 0:33:42 | 0:33:48 | |
'She was such a bitch, my character. It allowed you to be this awful, awful cow of a person. | 0:33:48 | 0:33:56 | |
'I just loved it.' | 0:33:56 | 0:33:58 | |
Some squeezed organic grape juice, skinless chicken on granary - no animal fat - and a herb tea. | 0:33:58 | 0:34:06 | |
And it said so much about the business! | 0:34:06 | 0:34:09 | |
About the falseness of the business and the mirage that people chase. | 0:34:09 | 0:34:14 | |
The fame thing. It just said so much about all of that... | 0:34:14 | 0:34:19 | |
And I had GREAT speeches in it! | 0:34:19 | 0:34:22 | |
I just... Y'know - just... People would KILL for those speeches. | 0:34:22 | 0:34:27 | |
I'm Valerie, Lady Charlson. | 0:34:27 | 0:34:31 | |
I'm Knightsbridge. | 0:34:32 | 0:34:34 | |
I'm grooming. I'm camisoles! | 0:34:34 | 0:34:37 | |
I can't have a relative with a Lancashire accent and a perm to trick or treat in! | 0:34:37 | 0:34:43 | |
-Yes, but I don't think... -It looks wrong! | 0:34:43 | 0:34:47 | |
It's not ME. | 0:34:47 | 0:34:49 | |
Oh...! Come early - help me get rid of her | 0:34:49 | 0:34:55 | |
BEFORE the press call. | 0:34:52 | 0:34:55 | |
Another who relished her part in the film was Dame Thora Hird. | 0:34:55 | 0:34:59 | |
She was brilliantly cast - | 0:34:59 | 0:35:02 | |
the mean-spirited mother of Margaret Mottishead's boyfriend Jim - Duncan Preston. | 0:35:02 | 0:35:08 | |
DAME THORA: Often enough, in a play, there's one line you KNOW people will remember. | 0:35:10 | 0:35:18 | |
I'm dusting the front gate when he comes with Margaret, and Mother says something, | 0:35:18 | 0:35:25 | |
and he says, "You can shut up. We've made love anyway." She stops dusting and says... | 0:35:25 | 0:35:32 | |
A sex life? YOU'VE had a sex life?! | 0:35:32 | 0:35:36 | |
Where have you had it? Your bed. | 0:35:36 | 0:35:38 | |
Not on the eiderdown?! | 0:35:38 | 0:35:42 | |
For AGES, I'd pass workmen digging the road who'd shout, "Now, Thora! | 0:35:44 | 0:35:49 | |
"Not on my eiderdown!" Or, "I've never been on your eiderdown!" | 0:35:49 | 0:35:53 | |
It shows they listened to the play AND what truthful scripts she writes. | 0:35:53 | 0:35:58 | |
She's one alone in this country. | 0:36:04 | 0:36:07 | |
I really mean that with my heart. | 0:36:07 | 0:36:10 | |
A bit of an icon. I've worked with an icon! | 0:36:10 | 0:36:13 | |
# Vic-to-ria | 0:36:13 | 0:36:16 | |
# Victoria... # | 0:36:16 | 0:36:19 | |
Some people, perhaps, at the beginning - cos she broke ground as a woman - | 0:36:19 | 0:36:25 | |
thought she'd only appeal to women. But that's not true at all. I mean... | 0:36:25 | 0:36:30 | |
It's EVERYWHERE she appeals to. I think it's a wonderful achievement. | 0:36:30 | 0:36:35 | |
# Victoria | 0:36:35 | 0:36:37 | |
# Victoria... # | 0:36:37 | 0:36:40 | |
She's really saying in what she does that brains are what finally count. | 0:36:42 | 0:36:48 | |
I'd add, "Brains are what finally make you beautiful." And she IS, | 0:36:48 | 0:36:53 | |
when that marvellous creativity of hers is sparking. She's riveting. | 0:36:53 | 0:36:58 | |
# ..I can't do it I must refuse to get undressed | 0:36:58 | 0:37:02 | |
# I feel silly, it's too chilly to go without me thermal vest | 0:37:02 | 0:37:06 | |
# Don't choose me, don't use me My mother sent a note to say you must excuse me | 0:37:06 | 0:37:10 | |
# I can't do it I can't do it tonight | 0:37:10 | 0:37:14 | |
# Let's do it, let's do it I really absolutely must | 0:37:14 | 0:37:18 | |
# Won't exempt you, wanna tempt you Want to drive you mad with lust | 0:37:18 | 0:37:24 | |
# No cautions, just contortions Smear an avocado on me lower portions | 0:37:24 | 0:37:28 | |
# Let's do it Let's do it toni-i-ight | 0:37:28 | 0:37:32 | |
# I can't do it, I can't do it It's really not my cup of tea | 0:37:32 | 0:37:37 | |
# I'm harassed, embarrassed I wish you hadn't picked on me | 0:37:37 | 0:37:41 | |
# No barter, non-starter I feel about as sensuous as Jimmy Carter | 0:37:41 | 0:37:46 | |
# I can't do it I can't do it tonight | 0:37:46 | 0:37:50 | |
# Let's do it, let's do it I really want to run amok | 0:37:50 | 0:37:55 | |
# Let's wiggle, let's jiggle Let's really make the rafters rock | 0:37:55 | 0:37:59 | |
# Be mighty, be flighty | 0:37:59 | 0:38:01 | |
# Come and melt the buttons on me flameproof nightie Let's do it, let's do it toni-ight | 0:38:01 | 0:38:09 | |
# Let's do it, let's do it I really want to rant and rave | 0:38:09 | 0:38:14 | |
# Let's go cos I know Just how I want you to behave | 0:38:14 | 0:38:19 | |
# Not meekly, not bleakly Beat me on the bottom with the Woman's Weekly | 0:38:19 | 0:38:24 | |
# But let's do it Let's do it toni-i-ight... # | 0:38:24 | 0:38:33 | |
Subtitles by L Brooks, E Kane BBC Scotland - 1998 | 0:38:34 | 0:38:38 |