Robert Glenister Coming Home


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Travelling into South Wales' Gower Peninsula is

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actor Robert Glenister, here in search of his family's past.

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Robert's performances have earned him legions of fans as the star

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of hit MI5 drama Spooks and as conman Ash Morgan in Hustle.

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Although he grew up in London, Robert has deep Welsh roots

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and it's these roots he's coming to Wales to explore.

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I'm very excited actually, because I think there's...

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Nobody's told me anything,

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so it is a bit like a magical mystery tour.

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Although he doesn't know it yet,

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he's travelling into a story of remarkable heroism and courage

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that would take his family to the other side of the world.

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I don't know where I'm going, I don't know what I'm going to find out.

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I don't know whether there's any skeletons or not.

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So, the whole thing is a complete mystery.

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Robert Glenister is coming home.

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Robert begins by visiting the Gower home of his parents.

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His father is television director John Glenister who's from London,

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but it's his Welsh mother Joan

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and her Welsh family that Robert will be researching.

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How much do you know about your family, beyond your grandfather?

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-Do you know much?

-Not a lot, no. Not really.

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-Because you were born in Gorseinon.

-Born in Gorseinon, yes.

-And then...

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-I think I was about three.

-When you moved to London?

-Yes.

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-And then you were evacuated back here during the war.

-That's right.

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Joan's maternal family name is Fry

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and following the Fry family will lead Robert to discover

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some extraordinary stories of personal duty and sacrifice.

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Next stop on the journey is the pretty coastal town

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of Penclawdd on the North Gower coast

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and St Gwynour's church for the reading of the family tree.

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Here Robert is about to learn how imbedded his family

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really are in the history of this small village.

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He's arranged to meet with genealogist Mike Churchill Jones.

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-Hi, Robert.

-Hi.

-Welcome to Penclawdd.

-Thank you.

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The reason you're in Penclawdd is

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-cos it's steeped in your ancestry.

-Is it?

-Indeed.

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-So we've been looking at your family tree and this is it.

-Wow.

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Straightaway, Robert can see that he has

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deep Welsh roots on his mother's side.

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You've got a great Welsh line.

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You can go back to your seven times great-grandfather

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who was a native of the Gower.

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Robert has family in Carmarthenshire,

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Swansea and the Gower,

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with strong Welsh names including Lewis, Hopkins and Davies.

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But Mike is concentrating his research on Robert's Fry family,

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here in the village of Penclawdd.

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The story begins with his four times great-grandparents,

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Mary and Richard Fry, who was a coal miner.

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They had a son, John Fry,

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who was Robert's great-great-great-grandfather.

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Now, John Fry was born 1832 in Penclawdd,

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and died here in 1894.

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But he had the occupation of many people in Penclawdd, which was...

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-Collier.

-He was a miner, yes. He worked down the mine.

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There is a lot for Robert to learn about his Fry family,

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but to get him started on his journey,

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Mike Churchill Jones tells him about

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his great-grandfather David Fry,

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someone Robert knew as a child.

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David John Fry was born 1880 in Penclawdd,

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and he didn't die until 1967, so you would have known him.

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I remember this very, very old man,

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very, very dapper in a three-piece pinstripe suit.

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White moustache, white hair. And I remember his presence.

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That's all I remember.

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-I can only have been about five or six, because he died in '67.

-He did.

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I was born in '60. But I do have an image of him, yeah.

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-His initial occupation is as a stonemason.

-I saw that.

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-So he was a skilled...

-He was a skilled man.

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There was an artistic element to him,

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as opposed to just an engineering quality, as well.

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-Indeed.

-That's interesting.

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First Robert is heading from Penclawdd,

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to visit the nearby 16th century Oxwich Castle.

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He's learned he comes from a long line of stonemasons.

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Stonemasonry is an ancient art form,

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little changed over thousands of years.

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It has always been a highly skilled job.

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Modern building sites are a world away from the kind of work Robert's family did.

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But on an historic site like Oxwich Castle,

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the restoration work here can give Robert a real feel for the job.

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Given the fact that you still employ the traditional methods

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in stonemasonry, do you still use tools that would have been

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used when my ancestors would have been stonemasons?

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Very much so. Yeah, very much so.

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This job we've done all hammer and chisel and mallet and what not.

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There's been no modern methods at all.

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We've done it exactly how it would have been done, really.

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-Can I have a go and will you show me what to do?

-I certainly will.

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The generations of Robert's family that worked with stone

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are long gone, but here on the castle renovation,

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there is at least a chance for Robert to handle

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and use the tools with which they would have been so familiar.

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You're a natural! Very good.

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It's quite slippery, isn't it?

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-If you hold it at...

-More of an angle? Like that?

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That's about right.

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You keep working that all the way through to there

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and then you'd be coming across with the fine chisel after that.

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So how long would this take to do?

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How long would this block take to complete?

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Well, this, you'd do this in a few hours, really.

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-Would you?

-Yeah, no problem at all.

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Robert is working on a very special part of the restoration.

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It's the lintel, which will be placed over the main entrance of the castle.

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A privilege for any stonemason

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and a repair that will last for millennia.

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Aaagh! I'm kidding, I'm kidding. It's all right.

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Well done. That's brilliant for...

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Thank you. No, it's been great.

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So you've contributed to part of the castle.

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So, the next time I come down here with my family

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-I can point at that when it's up there and say, "I helped to do that."

-Yeah, definitely.

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Robert is back in Penclawdd and on the trail of his Fry family.

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His three times great-grandparents were Mary and John Fry.

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John was a coal miner, as was his grandson, William Fry.

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William worked in Penclawdd as a coal miner

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in the years leading up to the First World War

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and Mike Churchill Jones has been researching his story.

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The first document I'd like to show you is a 1911 census listing.

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And it shows William Fry...

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..and he was a coal miner hewer at the time.

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On the eve of World War One, William was keen to join the British Army.

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At that time, coal mining was not a reserved occupation

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and many thousands of miners were hoping to enlist when the time came.

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But for William, there was a problem.

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-He says that he tried...

-Oh, yes.

-..to sign up.

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But William was deemed to be too short.

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We do know how tall he was.

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There's some personal details about him. Do you want have a read?

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Oh, he was aged 30.

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30 years and five months. Height, 5 foot 2 and a quarter.

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-Not the tallest man in the world.

-Not the tallest man in the world.

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Hm-mm.

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It appears William Fry would never be able to serve in the army

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and would seek a new life far beyond Wales.

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He actually, sometime after that in 1914,

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he made the decision to actually emigrate,

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and he actually went to Liverpool and got on a ship called the Afric

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and sailed to Sydney in Australia.

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Wow!

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That's a huge leap, isn't it?

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And he sailed on 16th July 1914.

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-When did war break out?

-It was approximately six weeks after that.

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It was after that, wasn't it? That's right.

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So just weeks before the outbreak of World War One,

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William Fry was leaving Penclawdd,

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sailing away to the other side of the world,

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far away from the looming conflict in Europe.

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But there is more to William's story than Mike has so far revealed.

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First Robert is off to learn more

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about his ancestral home of Penclawdd,

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which sits along the Loughor Estuary, on the Gower coast.

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No-one knows more about Penclawdd than local historian Rod Cooper,

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who has taken him to the hillside overlooking the town.

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Well, that's a view and a half.

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So how different would this view have been when my ancestors lived here?

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There would be a fantastic difference.

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This is the old centre of the village

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and the turnpike road used to run down to the front, just over there.

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And in some ways, it's still the heart of the village,

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-but that was the old village.

-Mm.

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And the new village built up across over there,

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and that was where the copper works were and the tin plate works

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at the end of the 19th century,

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and the new village built up around that,

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because it was convenient for people.

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You see, it started off as a port,

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and you can just see over there where Loughor Bridge is,

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the river used to come from Loughor Bridge

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straight across to this shore here

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and would run hard along the foreshore,

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and that meant that vessels could come up at most states of the tide.

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They could lie on the bottom of the pill,

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as it was called out there then, load up with coal

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straight into the holes or go to the dock, which was just up there.

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-Mm-hm.

-And, you know, that added again

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to the character of the village and the busyness of the village.

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It really was a thriving, important place.

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Penclawdd may have been a flourishing village,

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but at the start of World War One,

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William Fry had left here for the other side of the world.

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In Australia, he had the chance of a new life,

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far form the threat of war in Europe.

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But just a year later, William made a remarkable decision,

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as Mike Churchill Jones has unearthed.

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He made a decision to join the Australian Army...

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Wow.

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..In July 1915.

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Right.

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He joined the 53rd Battalion...

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BOTH: ..of the Australian Imperial Force.

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So he would have joined knowing that he would have been sent to Europe

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to fight, potentially.

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-Probably so. Why did he make that decision?

-That's right.

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William had finally managed to enlist in the army.

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As part of the Empire,

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Australia was also at war with Germany,

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but there was no compulsory conscription.

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William was clearly volunteering to head back to Europe,

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to fight for King and his new country.

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By July 1916, William was travelling to France, and to war.

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Now Robert has a chance to get into the fresh air,

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to learn something of his female ancestors and their way of life.

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Whilst the men of Penclawdd like John Fry dug for coal,

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the women of the village, including his sisters

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Elizabeth and Mary, sought their living from the sea,

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from the riches beneath their feet on the Loughor Estuary.

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-Hi, Robert, how are you?

-I'm all right, Glyn. How are you doing?

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Robert joins with expert Glyn Hyndman

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and he's taking Robert on something of a mystery tour

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far out to the estuary mud flats.

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The route they're driving along was under water

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just a few minutes before, but now the tide is out,

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which means there's a chance for Glyn to explain more

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about Penclawdd's unique industry of cockling.

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Glyn still hand picks all the cockles he gathers,

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using identical techniques to Robert's ancestors,

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Mary and Elizabeth Fry.

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So, braving a gale, Glyn can reveal everything

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he knows about Penclawdd's much-loved delicacy.

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-You sometimes come out here for six, eight hours at a time?

-Oh, yeah.

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-In these conditions?

-Oh, yeah. Worse than this.

-Worse than this?

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GLYN LAUGHS

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And then, I mean, when my ancestors were doing it,

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presumably it was mainly women who did the job?

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-Oh, yeah.

-And they would do it with donkeys and carts, not Land Rovers.

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No. It's a lot easier now than what it was then,

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but as you say, they'd come out here with a donkey or a horse and cart

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and they'd probably gather cockles better than the men.

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-Know what I mean?

-Yeah, yeah.

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Especially when they were a bit thinner on the ground.

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They'd persevere a bit more.

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And they would have to do that every day, because if they didn't,

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-they wouldn't eat.

-Well, yeah, you wouldn't eat.

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You'd either come out here and get something for the family,

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because there was no social security in them days.

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-Know what I mean?

-Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Obviously, here are the cockles coming together here now.

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They'd probably gather at the time in the region of about 200,

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300 kilos a day.

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-Really?

-Yeah.

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Lift them on the cart or put them on the back of the donkey,

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and that was it, but it was a hard old life for them, like.

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But it must...with a donkey and cart, it must have taken...

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I mean, on a day like this, or if not worse, it must have taken

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a couple of hours just to get out here before you start work.

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Oh, yeah, yeah. And then you've got the back-breaking work

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in front of you again.

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Then you've got to get them off there, then you've got to cook them.

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And then you've got to start again,

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so, you know, they were tough old cookies.

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It might traditionally have been seen as women's work

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for Robert's ancestors Mary and Elizabeth Fry,

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but how easy is it for a London actor to do the same work?

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That's...that's... Try and keep your water.

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-As you're raking?

-Like that, see?

-Got you.

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You're pulling your cockles into your water all the time, see?

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Yeah, yeah.

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Got it. Right. And then the rake goes down.

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-I think you're a natural, Rob.

-ROBERT LAUGHS

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-It's in the blood, see?

-It is. Once there, you never lose it.

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What are you doing next week(?)

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THEY LAUGH

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There you go. Supper.

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There you are!

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Like his ancestors,

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it's time for Robert to enjoy the fruits of his labour.

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-Tuck in there, Rob.

-I will.

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Look at those. Look at those.

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Straight off the beach

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and after just a couple of minutes cooking,

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the cockles are ready to eat.

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-Ohhh!

-Bit hairy, are they?

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Bit hot!

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Mmm.

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-What do you think of them?

-They're just so sweet, aren't they?

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They're gorgeous.

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I don't need any lunch.

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The camera crew can go to lunch. I'll stay here.

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So how has this experience helped Robert to understand

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what daily life was like for his ancestors Mary and Elizabeth?

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Oh, it's extraordinary. I mean,

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we were out there, and it's a nice day, but out there,

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it's blowing a force ten gale and it's cold,

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and we were out there for about an hour,

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and we were in warm coats, boots, waterproofs, everything.

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When my ancestors were doing it,

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it was predominantly women who did it so many hundreds of years ago.

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And they were out there, they had no waterproofs,

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they had no real protection against the weather.

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And today is quite benign, because, I mean,

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they would go out come rain or shine.

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Robert is back on the trail of his ancestral cousin William Fry.

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At the start of World War One,

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William had been turned down by the army

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on the grounds of his height.

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But now in 1916,

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he was an Australian soldier and heading to France.

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Military historian Jeremy Banning has been researching his story.

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So his is 53rd Battalion and they are part of the 5th Division.

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It's a new division of men that have been created,

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and essentially they go into France at the end of June,

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but still, he would have been incredibly green.

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Well, in his application form to join the Australian army,

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they said, "Have you applied before to join the army?"

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And he said yes, but he was rejected on account of his height,

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cos he was only five foot two and a quarter.

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It was because they needed to recruit because of the war,

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-restrictions were not as stringent as they had been.

-Absolutely.

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They wanted as many men into their forces as possible,

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and it's interesting, his height,

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because there's a myth now of Australians

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-all being six foot and bronzed.

-I know, yeah.

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These big farmhands, and here you have

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a five-foot-two-and-a-quarter Welshman in their ranks.

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Early in July 1916,

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William had arrived in France at a place called Fromelles,

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less than 50 miles from the Somme.

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His Australian battalion had a vital combat role -

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to stop German reinforcements getting to the Somme,

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where Allied forces were engaged in a major offensive.

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Jeremy has uncovered the war diary of William's unit,

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which offers a very detailed account

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of their first few days on the front line.

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So this is William's first opportunity

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to be holding the front line in a trench.

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This is what he joined up for.

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-Right.

-To defend, to hold the line here.

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So they're there in the line until the 16th,

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so he's had six days in the front line trench.

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Remarkably, this photograph shows members of William's 53rd Battalion

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on the 19th of July 1916, preparing for battle.

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But unfortunately, William and his battalion,

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and in fact his whole division, were there at a time

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where there was an operation planned to launch an offensive there,

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and if you look at the date, we're talking now the middle of July.

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-Yeah.

-If you know your history, on the 1st of July 1916,

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that's when the British and French forces had attacked on the Somme.

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The Battle of the Somme was one of the bloodiest of World War One.

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Allied forces were attempting a decisive breakthrough

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of the German lines.

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At this time, William and his regiment

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were just 40 miles away, in Fromelles.

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And there was launched a plan here to launch essentially

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a diversionary attack against the German lines,

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the plan being to occupy the front line

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and the support line of the German trenches

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-on about a three or four kilometre frontage.

-Right.

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And that would tie down the Germans in this area in French Flanders

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and stop them sending their troops further south down to France

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to reinforce their comrades fighting against the British and French

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-down on the Somme.

-Yeah.

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And it was planned to be on the 17th of July, so poor old William...

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-Oh, right.

-..turns up on the 10th.

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William, with minimal practical training

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and little time to adjust to his new surroundings,

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was about to go into battle

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against the well organised German front line.

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So on the 19th of July, William's 53rd Battalion,

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part of the 5th Australian Division, attacked the German front line.

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Jeremy has a map of the battlefield.

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So, the 53rd Battalion, with William there,

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at six o'clock they got into the German trenches.

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-They'd crossed this position, they'd crossed this area...

-Yeah.

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-..Of no-man's-land, they'd got into that.

-Yeah.

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Now, their comrades on the right in the next brigade

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didn't even make it.

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But the attack here was such a disaster

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for the 5th Australian Division.

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They suffered over 5,500 casualties that day.

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For Australia, the First World War remains the most costly conflict

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in terms of deaths and casualties.

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From a population of fewer than five million,

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over 400,000 men enlisted,

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of whom over 60,000 were killed,

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156,000 wounded, gassed or taken prisoner.

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Only three men seen in this photograph of William's regiment

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would survive this battle.

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It is, I'm afraid to say, Australia's worst military disaster.

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-Is it?

-It is.

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It's their first time in the line,

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their first time in the trenches, their first attack

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and they get cut to pieces.

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-And William was involved in that?

-He was involved in that.

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How amazing.

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And very sad actually.

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To think that many people were sacrificed in the space of what,

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24 hours, is tragic.

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Robert knows that the Australian casualties were high

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in this particular battle.

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But what happened to William?

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Did he live or die?

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Mike Churchill Jones has the answer.

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During that day, on the 19th July 1916,

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William Fry was wounded in that action.

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We don't know at what point during the day he was wounded,

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but it's certainly on the 19th.

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William's casualty report shows that he was seriously wounded.

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Shot in both legs.

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He was later transferred by ambulance train

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to Wimereux Hospital in northern France,

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which is where he died a week later.

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How do you feel after all you've learned?

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After all he's been through, after everything he did,

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and going to Australia when he was barely 30

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and leaving all his family behind

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knowing he wouldn't see them again, and he didn't.

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But perhaps, in other circumstances, I mean,

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perhaps if he'd lived he might have done, I suppose.

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But that's very sad. That's very sad.

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It's a terribly moving story. It's very moving.

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William would never return to Australia or Wales,

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but was buried where he fell in France.

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He's buried at Wimereux cemetery and he is remembered there

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and he does have an individual grave there.

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William may have died as an Australian,

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but on his war grave

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his Welsh hometown of Penclawdd is also remembered.

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When he died in Europe his mother and siblings were still here?

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-Still here, yeah.

-Alive.

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It must have been a terrible shock for them.

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I mean, just for the circumstances because it's almost like losing a son twice.

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They'd lost him once to Australia when he went,

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but there was always the hope that would only be a temporary loss.

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And then a year later, two years later it was a permanent loss.

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-He never returned.

-No.

-That's very sad.

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Mike can now show Robert for the very first time

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a picture of William Fry.

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It's thought this may have been taken with his comrades in Australia.

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I believe that's a picture with his friends

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taken before they went to war.

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How astonishing is that?

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Yeah.

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He looks like my grandmother as well actually.

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I can see a family resemblance with my grandmother. Most certainly.

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-Can you?

-Yeah.

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Ah, bless his heart.

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Robert has learned a wonderful story of his ancestor, William Fry.

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And there are two people he's very keen to share this with.

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His mum and dad.

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And most particularly his mum, Joan,

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whose Fry family he's been researching.

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At their Gower home, he can now reveal William's story

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to her for the first time.

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And a year later in 1915, he joined up.

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-He joined the Australian Imperial Army.

-Good lord!

-53rd Battalion.

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There was an Australian offensive against the German forces

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at Fromelles in France, and he was part of this.

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And there were 5,000 Australians...

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-In the First World War?

-In the First World War and they went over the top.

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-It was the worst day in Australian military history.

-Was it?

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-Wow, look at that.

-He has his own grave.

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-Good lord.

-It's rather moving, isn't it?

-Isn't that lovely?

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It says, "In memory of the beloved son of Mr and Mrs R Fry, Penclawdd.

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"Aged 33."

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William may not be buried here,

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but his parents, Richard and Elizabeth, are.

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And their grave has a dedication to their son.

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It's a story of great, I think, great fortitude and determination

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and I think it shows a great strength of character

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in pursuing his goals, his ambitions and his dream, I think.

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Unfortunately, tragically, the dream was cut short.

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It's nice to see that he's remembered,

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that he has got a personalised tombstone in the cemetery

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and that he is remembered and will be for eternity.

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Robert's journey is nearly at an end.

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As a boy who grew up in London,

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he knew very little of the depth of his Welsh ancestry.

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But now he can look across the village of Penclawdd

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and see his family and roots stretching out before him.

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Now at the end of his journey,

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how does he feel about his visit to Wales?

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I've always been proud of the Welsh side of me and my family.

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And it's always been something that I've cherished.

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And I was delighted when my mum and dad decided to move back down here,

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because it gave me a reason to visit more frequently.

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I think... I feel very comfortable in this environment

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and the environments we've been in, in the last couple of days

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and the people we've met.

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I haven't felt like an outsider coming back.

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I've felt as though part of me has always been here,

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which I suppose it has, given the nature of my family.

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