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12 years ago, as a new millennium beckoned, | 0:00:12 | 0:00:15 | |
I travelled across Britain to meet | 0:00:15 | 0:00:17 | |
people in some of the country's most hard-pressed communities. | 0:00:17 | 0:00:21 | |
These were the early years of Blair's Britain. | 0:00:26 | 0:00:29 | |
-TONY BLAIR: -A new dawn has broken, has it not? | 0:00:29 | 0:00:32 | |
And for most of us, the official story was of hope. | 0:00:34 | 0:00:37 | |
It was the longest boom in British history. | 0:00:40 | 0:00:43 | |
No return to Tory boom and bust. | 0:00:44 | 0:00:47 | |
But my journey took me into another Britain, | 0:00:48 | 0:00:51 | |
to places that seemed forgotten in the new age of prosperity, | 0:00:51 | 0:00:55 | |
among people who felt they belonged to a different nation, | 0:00:57 | 0:01:01 | |
talked about by politicians, but whose own voices were rarely heard. | 0:01:01 | 0:01:07 | |
Everybody tells you to tighten your belts. | 0:01:07 | 0:01:10 | |
You know, it's on the last hole now, | 0:01:10 | 0:01:12 | |
so we can't tighten it any further. | 0:01:12 | 0:01:14 | |
'And they would turn out to be some of the most powerful voices | 0:01:14 | 0:01:18 | |
'I'd ever encountered.' | 0:01:18 | 0:01:20 | |
-Do you think your dream is dying in front of you? -No, but it's in intensive care. | 0:01:20 | 0:01:24 | |
In Scotland, I met shipyard workers fighting to stop decades of industrial decline | 0:01:25 | 0:01:30 | |
and save their jobs. | 0:01:30 | 0:01:32 | |
In Wales and Cornwall, I met rural communities ravaged by | 0:01:33 | 0:01:37 | |
the crisis over BSE-infected cattle and crippling debt. | 0:01:37 | 0:01:41 | |
In Leeds, I found families trying to build a community | 0:01:43 | 0:01:46 | |
on a housing estate blighted by crime and drugs. | 0:01:46 | 0:01:49 | |
In the 12 years since I made that journey, | 0:01:51 | 0:01:54 | |
the world has been transformed. | 0:01:54 | 0:01:56 | |
With Britain struggling to emerge from the deepest recession | 0:01:57 | 0:02:01 | |
since the Second World War, I want to see how the families | 0:02:01 | 0:02:04 | |
who made such an impression on me back then are coping now. | 0:02:04 | 0:02:08 | |
Country houses, you knock and then you can go in. | 0:02:09 | 0:02:12 | |
Tonight, I'll be visiting the countryside of Cornwall and North Wales. | 0:02:12 | 0:02:17 | |
I'm going back to find out what's changed for the people and places | 0:02:19 | 0:02:23 | |
that felt like part of a Forgotten Britain. | 0:02:23 | 0:02:26 | |
I'm coming. I'm coming. | 0:02:26 | 0:02:29 | |
I feel quite nervous, you know that, about meeting these people. | 0:02:29 | 0:02:32 | |
I feel quite nervous about meeting them. | 0:02:32 | 0:02:35 | |
Cornwall is, to visitors, | 0:02:56 | 0:02:58 | |
one of the most beguiling parts of the British landscape. | 0:02:58 | 0:03:01 | |
But when I first came here 12 years ago, | 0:03:06 | 0:03:08 | |
it was the poorest county in the nation. | 0:03:08 | 0:03:10 | |
Tourism and agriculture were the mainstay of the local economy. | 0:03:13 | 0:03:17 | |
But back in the late '90s, | 0:03:18 | 0:03:20 | |
British farming faced its worst crisis in half a century. | 0:03:20 | 0:03:24 | |
Farmers were borrowing to keep their businesses going, | 0:03:26 | 0:03:30 | |
like Cornish dairy farmer, Ben Bailey. | 0:03:30 | 0:03:32 | |
When I met him, his world seemed to be closing in, as the debts escalated. | 0:03:35 | 0:03:39 | |
I owe...somewhere in the region of 130,000 to the bank. | 0:03:42 | 0:03:47 | |
They are getting a bit nervous, cos it's not just me, | 0:03:47 | 0:03:50 | |
but there's a lot of farmers out there who owe them a lot of money, | 0:03:50 | 0:03:54 | |
and the interest charges on the money I owe them | 0:03:54 | 0:03:57 | |
are more than my profit, let alone me making a living out of it. | 0:03:57 | 0:04:01 | |
The Baileys had borrowed to increase their herd. | 0:04:03 | 0:04:07 | |
Only large herds produced enough milk to make a living. | 0:04:07 | 0:04:10 | |
But when the milk price collapsed, so did their income. | 0:04:12 | 0:04:15 | |
Ben and Jackie continued to work all hours, | 0:04:17 | 0:04:20 | |
but the farm wasn't breaking even. | 0:04:20 | 0:04:22 | |
We wouldn't have thought that this would ever happen to us, but it has. | 0:04:22 | 0:04:25 | |
I don't even mind working for nothing, | 0:04:25 | 0:04:27 | |
but when you're working for less than nothing, | 0:04:27 | 0:04:30 | |
you just lose all enthusiasm. It just goes, really. | 0:04:32 | 0:04:36 | |
The Baileys were tenant farmers. | 0:04:43 | 0:04:45 | |
They couldn't even hope to buy the land they lived on. | 0:04:45 | 0:04:48 | |
For Ben and Jackie, and their daughters Alice and Eloise, | 0:04:49 | 0:04:52 | |
the cattle were their only wealth. | 0:04:52 | 0:04:55 | |
I watched as they were forced to sell their herd to pay off the bank. | 0:04:55 | 0:04:59 | |
'We need the money. Cows are our assets. They'll have to go.' | 0:05:00 | 0:05:04 | |
To us, on most days, they're just a herd of cows, | 0:05:05 | 0:05:08 | |
but they mean everything. | 0:05:08 | 0:05:10 | |
When you've had 'em as babies, you know, you've reared them, | 0:05:16 | 0:05:19 | |
you've watched them being born, and some of them do... | 0:05:19 | 0:05:22 | |
Well, they've all got characters, | 0:05:22 | 0:05:25 | |
they're all individual and they're our life. | 0:05:25 | 0:05:27 | |
Once our cows are gone, our security's gone. | 0:05:27 | 0:05:30 | |
Things looked so bleak back then and I think their own sense, | 0:05:32 | 0:05:36 | |
you know, no matter how brave a face they were putting on things, | 0:05:36 | 0:05:41 | |
there was a sense coming from them that it wasn't going to last. | 0:05:41 | 0:05:44 | |
Do you think your dream is dying in front of you? | 0:05:46 | 0:05:49 | |
No, but it's in intensive care. It's suffering pretty seriously. | 0:05:50 | 0:05:54 | |
What we're doing is trying to keep the dream alive. | 0:05:57 | 0:06:01 | |
Here it is, same yard. | 0:06:03 | 0:06:05 | |
It was just down in there, I remember, | 0:06:05 | 0:06:08 | |
we were there for the sale of the cows. | 0:06:08 | 0:06:11 | |
Right, there you are, lot one, lot one, | 0:06:11 | 0:06:13 | |
27.2 on the weigh-in. 27.2 on the weigh-in. | 0:06:13 | 0:06:17 | |
I feel quite nervous, you know that, about meeting these people. | 0:06:27 | 0:06:30 | |
I feel quite nervous about meeting them. I do, yeah. | 0:06:30 | 0:06:33 | |
I think because, when you come into peoples' lives, | 0:06:35 | 0:06:38 | |
after, you know, and you witnessed them in extremis... | 0:06:40 | 0:06:46 | |
Normally, what I do is I vanish, | 0:06:46 | 0:06:48 | |
and I never go back into people's lives. | 0:06:48 | 0:06:50 | |
It's the nature of foreign correspondents - | 0:06:50 | 0:06:53 | |
you flit in and you flit out. | 0:06:53 | 0:06:54 | |
-Anyone home? -Hello. | 0:06:54 | 0:06:57 | |
Hi, how are you? | 0:06:57 | 0:06:58 | |
Good to see you, man. Fantastic. How are you? | 0:06:58 | 0:07:01 | |
-Well, I'm still here. Are you all right? -I'm good, fantastic. | 0:07:01 | 0:07:04 | |
-We're a bit happier this time. -I'm glad to hear it. | 0:07:04 | 0:07:07 | |
I was coming down and I was remembering the time of the sale | 0:07:07 | 0:07:10 | |
and, er, and I just said, | 0:07:10 | 0:07:12 | |
"Maybe it was the sun was shining," | 0:07:12 | 0:07:15 | |
THEY TALK OVER EACH OTHER | 0:07:15 | 0:07:16 | |
It was the middle of November, wretched weather. | 0:07:16 | 0:07:18 | |
-It was a disgusting day. -It was terrible. | 0:07:18 | 0:07:21 | |
Everything was sort of combining in an atmosphere of gloom. | 0:07:21 | 0:07:25 | |
I remember the tension and the anger. | 0:07:27 | 0:07:31 | |
At the moment, I'm just bitter, fed up, exhausted, defeated slightly. | 0:07:31 | 0:07:37 | |
We're going to come out of it much the wiser. | 0:07:45 | 0:07:49 | |
Come back and start milking again, which is our ultimate goal, | 0:07:49 | 0:07:52 | |
to start milking our own cows again. | 0:07:52 | 0:07:55 | |
By selling the herd and reducing their debts, | 0:07:56 | 0:07:59 | |
the Baileys were at least able to pay their rent | 0:07:59 | 0:08:01 | |
and stay with their children in the family home. | 0:08:01 | 0:08:04 | |
But I doubted then that they'd get back to dairy farming. | 0:08:06 | 0:08:10 | |
I should have had more faith. | 0:08:13 | 0:08:15 | |
Put your body on the line. | 0:08:18 | 0:08:19 | |
How about that, look at that, how about that? | 0:08:19 | 0:08:22 | |
It's probably been 40 years since I had anything to do farming. | 0:08:22 | 0:08:25 | |
I can't help that and it isn't that long, | 0:08:25 | 0:08:27 | |
because you were here last time. | 0:08:27 | 0:08:29 | |
-Yeah, but I did no work the last time. -No, probably not. | 0:08:29 | 0:08:33 | |
Go on, shift, shift, shift! | 0:08:33 | 0:08:35 | |
Hey! Scram! | 0:08:35 | 0:08:37 | |
After the sale of the cattle, the family began an epic struggle. | 0:08:39 | 0:08:43 | |
At one point, Ben juggled five different jobs. | 0:08:43 | 0:08:46 | |
Away from the farm, Jackie, too, found other work. | 0:08:47 | 0:08:51 | |
In the years since I've last seen you, | 0:08:51 | 0:08:54 | |
how much of a struggle has it been to pay off that debt? | 0:08:54 | 0:08:57 | |
Well, it's been a never-ending struggle, and it still is. | 0:08:57 | 0:09:01 | |
How much do you owe now? | 0:09:01 | 0:09:03 | |
Well, probably 75,000, I guess. | 0:09:09 | 0:09:11 | |
75,000. Do you think you'll ever pay that off? | 0:09:11 | 0:09:14 | |
Oh, yeah. | 0:09:14 | 0:09:15 | |
Why wouldn't I? | 0:09:15 | 0:09:17 | |
People wouldn't lend it to me if they didn't think I'd pay it back, would they? | 0:09:17 | 0:09:21 | |
Half of Britain's dairy farmers went out of business in the decade | 0:09:22 | 0:09:26 | |
the Baileys were fighting to come back. | 0:09:26 | 0:09:28 | |
Their farm is the last of seven in the area. | 0:09:30 | 0:09:33 | |
I'm not one to just walk away at the first bit of trouble, | 0:09:36 | 0:09:39 | |
and I don't think Ben is. | 0:09:39 | 0:09:41 | |
Well, Ben obviously isn't, cos he could have walked. | 0:09:41 | 0:09:44 | |
It's a lot of pressure | 0:09:44 | 0:09:45 | |
and could have gone so differently wrong, if we'd wanted it to, | 0:09:45 | 0:09:49 | |
I suspect. We could have just walked, but we didn't. We chose to stick it out. | 0:09:49 | 0:09:55 | |
920! | 0:10:02 | 0:10:03 | |
The Bailey's eldest daughter, Alice, | 0:10:05 | 0:10:07 | |
was 16 at the time of the sale of the herd. | 0:10:07 | 0:10:09 | |
Those animals were not my livelihood directly, | 0:10:11 | 0:10:15 | |
but they were important to me. | 0:10:15 | 0:10:17 | |
You're not supposed to have to be patient! | 0:10:19 | 0:10:22 | |
It's an old-fashioned one. It just takes a minute to warm up. | 0:10:22 | 0:10:25 | |
Now aged 29, Alice lives in the nearby town of Truro. | 0:10:25 | 0:10:29 | |
As a child, she didn't fully understand her parents' money problems. | 0:10:29 | 0:10:34 | |
Mum and Dad have always kept the farm and the house | 0:10:34 | 0:10:39 | |
as two, sort of, separate things, really. | 0:10:39 | 0:10:43 | |
We still, we always ate and we didn't, you know... | 0:10:43 | 0:10:47 | |
We were never denied anything. | 0:10:47 | 0:10:49 | |
We were from, you know... | 0:10:49 | 0:10:51 | |
I worked, I started my first job when I was 14, | 0:10:51 | 0:10:53 | |
but I think that's mostly because Mum and Dad wanted me | 0:10:53 | 0:10:56 | |
to get a work ethic, rather than money. | 0:10:56 | 0:10:59 | |
I wondered what the Baileys would make now | 0:11:03 | 0:11:06 | |
of the events I'd filmed back then. | 0:11:06 | 0:11:09 | |
'Amid the final preparations for the sale, | 0:11:09 | 0:11:11 | |
'I can sense the growing tension. | 0:11:11 | 0:11:13 | |
'Gotta put a brave face on it tomorrow and smile for the buyers, | 0:11:13 | 0:11:16 | |
'and make them think they're buying some very profitable animals. | 0:11:16 | 0:11:20 | |
'Although everybody knows that the reason we're selling them | 0:11:20 | 0:11:23 | |
'is cos we're not making any profit. | 0:11:23 | 0:11:24 | |
'So, dunno what, I don't know. | 0:11:24 | 0:11:28 | |
'It's miserable.' | 0:11:28 | 0:11:30 | |
I thought I'd got more eloquent, but I don't think I have. | 0:11:30 | 0:11:33 | |
Dangerously eloquent. | 0:11:33 | 0:11:34 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:11:34 | 0:11:36 | |
'Lot 34.' | 0:11:36 | 0:11:37 | |
Oh, my God. | 0:11:42 | 0:11:45 | |
This is shit. | 0:11:45 | 0:11:46 | |
Hopefully, Ben's going to be able to find some work. | 0:11:46 | 0:11:50 | |
He'll find work, I know he will. | 0:11:50 | 0:11:52 | |
And we're going to come out of it much the wiser. | 0:11:53 | 0:11:57 | |
Giddy aunt! | 0:12:00 | 0:12:03 | |
That was good. | 0:12:03 | 0:12:05 | |
-Good? -Well, it was well made. | 0:12:05 | 0:12:07 | |
Oh, I found that quite upsetting. | 0:12:12 | 0:12:14 | |
I suppose that was the object of it. | 0:12:14 | 0:12:16 | |
I think it was good. | 0:12:16 | 0:12:18 | |
Good, in what way? | 0:12:18 | 0:12:20 | |
Well, cos you're still here. | 0:12:20 | 0:12:21 | |
You were strong then and you're even stronger now. | 0:12:21 | 0:12:24 | |
That's what I think. | 0:12:24 | 0:12:26 | |
Yeah. Didn't feel strong, though. | 0:12:27 | 0:12:30 | |
No, but look, we're still in the same house, | 0:12:30 | 0:12:32 | |
whether you like it or not. We're still on the same farm. | 0:12:32 | 0:12:36 | |
-Are you proud of your parents? -I'm so proud of them. | 0:12:36 | 0:12:39 | |
What's it like to hear that from your daughter? | 0:12:40 | 0:12:42 | |
It's brilliant. | 0:12:42 | 0:12:44 | |
THEY TALK OVER EACH OTHER | 0:12:44 | 0:12:45 | |
We like to think they think to be proud of us, | 0:12:45 | 0:12:48 | |
but we don't really... We just assume we all love each other, | 0:12:48 | 0:12:52 | |
but when it's actually said out loud, | 0:12:52 | 0:12:54 | |
it makes such a difference, doesn't it? | 0:12:54 | 0:12:56 | |
Cos we're very proud of them. | 0:12:56 | 0:12:58 | |
When you look at the prospect of the future, you know, | 0:12:58 | 0:13:01 | |
so much of that film was about the disaster that was occurring at that time, | 0:13:01 | 0:13:05 | |
and things turned out a lot better than you expected. | 0:13:05 | 0:13:08 | |
-Yeah. -They really did. | 0:13:08 | 0:13:10 | |
But I still don't feel secure. | 0:13:10 | 0:13:13 | |
No. | 0:13:13 | 0:13:14 | |
No, there's always... | 0:13:16 | 0:13:17 | |
You just get up there and something comes | 0:13:17 | 0:13:20 | |
and smacks you back down again, | 0:13:20 | 0:13:22 | |
and then you start climbing back up again. | 0:13:22 | 0:13:24 | |
It's partly the nature of farming, as a job - | 0:13:24 | 0:13:30 | |
you're always only as good as the next thing | 0:13:30 | 0:13:33 | |
that's going to knock you back. | 0:13:33 | 0:13:35 | |
Experience has made Ben wary | 0:13:38 | 0:13:40 | |
and, this summer, events would justify his caution. | 0:13:42 | 0:13:45 | |
-NEWSREADER: -Dairy farmers from across the country will | 0:13:46 | 0:13:49 | |
gather in Westminster today to protest against further cuts | 0:13:49 | 0:13:52 | |
to the price they're paid for milk. | 0:13:52 | 0:13:54 | |
-NEWSREADER: -The National Farmers' Union says some supermarkets, | 0:13:54 | 0:13:58 | |
including Morrisons, Asda and the Co-op, | 0:13:58 | 0:14:01 | |
are squeezing farmers' margins. | 0:14:01 | 0:14:03 | |
When you depend on the price of milk, | 0:14:05 | 0:14:07 | |
there's no guarantee of security. | 0:14:07 | 0:14:09 | |
Falling prices took the Baileys to the brink 12 years ago, | 0:14:18 | 0:14:22 | |
and global prices have fallen again. | 0:14:22 | 0:14:25 | |
Now they're in a situation where it can cost them more to produce | 0:14:29 | 0:14:32 | |
a litre of milk than they get paid for it. | 0:14:32 | 0:14:35 | |
From the 1st of June, | 0:14:35 | 0:14:36 | |
our milk price went down a penny and a half per litre. | 0:14:36 | 0:14:39 | |
That is going to mean about £1,000 less in my milk cheque. | 0:14:40 | 0:14:45 | |
What benefits the shopper hurts you. | 0:14:46 | 0:14:49 | |
Well, I don't know if it will benefit the shopper. | 0:14:49 | 0:14:51 | |
Well, it's cheaper milk. | 0:14:51 | 0:14:53 | |
Well, is it? Will it be cheaper in the shop, | 0:14:53 | 0:14:55 | |
or will it benefit the shareholders of some supermarket? | 0:14:55 | 0:14:58 | |
Do you feel you're being screwed over? | 0:14:58 | 0:15:00 | |
Yeah, I think we are, up to a point. I mean, it's voluntary. | 0:15:00 | 0:15:04 | |
I don't have to do this job, but... | 0:15:05 | 0:15:08 | |
We make quite a good living now, | 0:15:11 | 0:15:13 | |
now we're financially relatively stable again, | 0:15:13 | 0:15:17 | |
but for us to make quite a good living... | 0:15:17 | 0:15:20 | |
We have to do the work of three people, | 0:15:22 | 0:15:26 | |
you know, from seven in the morning till eleven at night, | 0:15:27 | 0:15:30 | |
and that's not necessarily right. | 0:15:31 | 0:15:33 | |
The Baileys are paid little more than 25p a litre for milk, | 0:15:39 | 0:15:43 | |
about what dairy farmers were being paid 15 years ago. | 0:15:43 | 0:15:47 | |
And in the last two years, the cost of feeding their herd has doubled. | 0:15:51 | 0:15:55 | |
To stay financially stable, they must watch every penny. | 0:15:56 | 0:15:59 | |
I worry much more about over-committing ourselves, | 0:16:02 | 0:16:05 | |
and getting back into the situation that we were in, | 0:16:05 | 0:16:09 | |
so I'm the one who nags, I suppose. | 0:16:09 | 0:16:12 | |
You're the person in charge of the finances, in the sense that you... | 0:16:12 | 0:16:15 | |
He calls me the financial controller, yeah. | 0:16:15 | 0:16:18 | |
In today's world, | 0:16:24 | 0:16:25 | |
the British farmer must develop the skills of an accountant. | 0:16:25 | 0:16:29 | |
-Have you got a bill? -Yeah, sixty quid. | 0:16:29 | 0:16:31 | |
Cos they rung up yesterday. | 0:16:31 | 0:16:33 | |
Yeah, I do, but I do need to add up and take away. | 0:16:33 | 0:16:36 | |
Yeah, well, you've got to do it properly. | 0:16:36 | 0:16:39 | |
You've got to do it properly. | 0:16:39 | 0:16:41 | |
Don't let me tell you who to pay, cos you'll only snarl at me. | 0:16:41 | 0:16:44 | |
I know! | 0:16:44 | 0:16:45 | |
All around him in the last 12 years, | 0:16:45 | 0:16:47 | |
Ben has seen other dairy farmers go out of business, | 0:16:47 | 0:16:51 | |
and across England, nearly a quarter of small farms | 0:16:51 | 0:16:54 | |
have vanished in the last decade. | 0:16:54 | 0:16:56 | |
Falling prices are a real threat, | 0:17:01 | 0:17:03 | |
but also the influence of nature. | 0:17:03 | 0:17:06 | |
as I'll find out when I return to Cornwall. | 0:17:06 | 0:17:09 | |
For now, though, | 0:17:11 | 0:17:13 | |
I have another journey to make, to a different rural family. | 0:17:13 | 0:17:16 | |
Theirs was also a story of struggle - | 0:17:19 | 0:17:21 | |
to preserve not just their livelihood, but their way of life. | 0:17:21 | 0:17:25 | |
This is Cwmpenanner - the valley of the Calf's Head - in North Wales. | 0:17:30 | 0:17:34 | |
It's the home of a Welsh-speaking community, proud of its identity. | 0:17:38 | 0:17:42 | |
They lived in what felt to me the most remote part of Britain | 0:17:45 | 0:17:49 | |
when I came here 12 years ago. | 0:17:49 | 0:17:51 | |
Returning after a decade, I'd forgotten the sense of isolation. | 0:17:54 | 0:17:57 | |
The mobile signal vanishes in this place of mountains and valleys. | 0:18:00 | 0:18:04 | |
It's so magic here. | 0:18:06 | 0:18:07 | |
The colours change every day, no matter what time of year it is. | 0:18:07 | 0:18:12 | |
If I stop talking, you won't hear nothing, | 0:18:13 | 0:18:16 | |
and it clears your head. It's beautiful. | 0:18:16 | 0:18:19 | |
Here, I'd met a family of tenant farmers, | 0:18:22 | 0:18:25 | |
for whom land and language were at the core of their identity. | 0:18:25 | 0:18:28 | |
It was a story about belonging, | 0:18:31 | 0:18:33 | |
as much as it was about financial survival. | 0:18:33 | 0:18:36 | |
That survival was in doubt when I last visited here. | 0:18:38 | 0:18:41 | |
The BSE crisis of the 1990s cost the British economy billions. | 0:18:46 | 0:18:51 | |
It hit both beef and sheep farmers who exported to the Continent. | 0:18:51 | 0:18:55 | |
The family I met here made their living farming sheep. | 0:19:03 | 0:19:06 | |
And in those days, the price of lamb was collapsing. | 0:19:09 | 0:19:12 | |
You should be able to make a living out of it, but we're not. | 0:19:14 | 0:19:17 | |
Everybody tells you to tighten your belt. | 0:19:17 | 0:19:19 | |
You know, it's on the last hole now, so we can't tighten it any further. | 0:19:19 | 0:19:25 | |
I dread to think what will happen in five years' time. | 0:19:27 | 0:19:30 | |
When I met the Roberts family, the sense of crisis was palpable, | 0:19:35 | 0:19:39 | |
as Arwyn worked impossible hours, | 0:19:39 | 0:19:41 | |
trying to pay the family's rising debt. | 0:19:41 | 0:19:43 | |
During lambing, he's lucky if he gets four hours' sleep. | 0:19:46 | 0:19:50 | |
As a family, we hardly ever see Arwyn, anyway. | 0:19:52 | 0:19:55 | |
He starts at seven o'clock in the morning, | 0:19:55 | 0:19:57 | |
he won't come home till half past midnight. | 0:19:57 | 0:19:59 | |
Starts again, seven o'clock the next morning. | 0:19:59 | 0:20:02 | |
He's like a robot. | 0:20:02 | 0:20:04 | |
It began for me as a journey to a rural community, | 0:20:06 | 0:20:10 | |
but it would also become the story of a mother | 0:20:10 | 0:20:13 | |
and her struggle against loneliness. | 0:20:13 | 0:20:15 | |
How difficult is it, just getting by on a day-to-day basis? | 0:20:15 | 0:20:19 | |
Pressure sometimes - oh, it's terrible. Really is terrible. | 0:20:19 | 0:20:23 | |
And I'm young. I feel I've aged 40 years, really! | 0:20:25 | 0:20:30 | |
Country houses, you knock and then you can go in. | 0:20:38 | 0:20:41 | |
Who's there? | 0:20:42 | 0:20:43 | |
Aha, jeepers! Good to see you. | 0:20:45 | 0:20:47 | |
Hello! | 0:20:47 | 0:20:49 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:20:49 | 0:20:51 | |
-Good to see you. -How are you? -I'm great. Hello, my dear. | 0:20:51 | 0:20:54 | |
God almighty, look at the size of you guys! | 0:20:54 | 0:20:57 | |
How are you? | 0:20:57 | 0:20:58 | |
-He's new. -Yeah. | 0:21:01 | 0:21:04 | |
Cai! | 0:21:05 | 0:21:06 | |
He's right, he's doing what he should be doing - | 0:21:06 | 0:21:09 | |
getting in the way. | 0:21:09 | 0:21:11 | |
That's what young fellows are for, to get in the way. | 0:21:11 | 0:21:14 | |
What's that? Wahey! | 0:21:14 | 0:21:17 | |
What's that? | 0:21:17 | 0:21:18 | |
'I was a very welcome visitor, but I did wonder | 0:21:18 | 0:21:21 | |
'if I represented memories of a time they would rather forget.' | 0:21:21 | 0:21:25 | |
Gwlithyn, what, it's 13 years since I last saw you. | 0:21:34 | 0:21:38 | |
-An awful lot has changed in that time. -Yes. | 0:21:38 | 0:21:41 | |
What did you imagine the future was? | 0:21:43 | 0:21:45 | |
I didn't know then. | 0:21:45 | 0:21:46 | |
-You told me you thought you weren't going to survive here. -Yes. | 0:21:46 | 0:21:50 | |
Well, we're here. | 0:21:51 | 0:21:53 | |
-Can you watch the film now? -No. | 0:21:56 | 0:21:58 | |
No, I can't. I can't, no. | 0:21:58 | 0:22:01 | |
-Why? -It's still raw, you know. | 0:22:01 | 0:22:04 | |
Farming then - it was tough, the prices were tough. | 0:22:06 | 0:22:08 | |
You just felt like you were in a big black hole, | 0:22:11 | 0:22:13 | |
and there was no light at the end of the tunnel then. | 0:22:13 | 0:22:16 | |
This is a receipt Arwyn had for selling the ewes from Ruthin yesterday. | 0:22:18 | 0:22:23 | |
-At the market, right. -Yes. -How much did he get again? | 0:22:23 | 0:22:26 | |
Er, £420. | 0:22:26 | 0:22:28 | |
-That's six months' work, amounting to £420. -Yeah. | 0:22:28 | 0:22:31 | |
It isn't a lot. | 0:22:33 | 0:22:34 | |
And how much a kilo do you pay for your meat afterwards? | 0:22:34 | 0:22:39 | |
It's a lot more than 56 pence. | 0:22:39 | 0:22:41 | |
Really, we're just the bottom end of the chain. | 0:22:42 | 0:22:45 | |
Arwyn worked constantly, on his own and other farms, | 0:22:49 | 0:22:53 | |
to supplement the family income. | 0:22:53 | 0:22:56 | |
At home with the children, preoccupied with debt, | 0:22:56 | 0:22:59 | |
Gwlithyn was depressed. | 0:22:59 | 0:23:01 | |
You seemed quite isolated and alone at that time. | 0:23:01 | 0:23:05 | |
Mm, yes. | 0:23:05 | 0:23:06 | |
Yeah, and Nest - she started school full-time | 0:23:06 | 0:23:10 | |
and then suddenly you're going from all the children here wanting your attention to nothing. | 0:23:10 | 0:23:17 | |
I've got nobody really to talk to until Arwyn comes home, | 0:23:19 | 0:23:22 | |
and the last thing he wants to know is about me, really. | 0:23:22 | 0:23:26 | |
CLEARS THROAT | 0:23:26 | 0:23:28 | |
So...yeah. | 0:23:28 | 0:23:30 | |
It's a lonely life. | 0:23:33 | 0:23:35 | |
How difficult is it, just getting by on a day-to-day basis? | 0:23:39 | 0:23:44 | |
I have good days, I have bad days and I have very bad days. | 0:23:44 | 0:23:48 | |
-Tell me about the very bad days. -Oh, I just cry. | 0:23:52 | 0:23:55 | |
Really, really cry all the time. | 0:23:57 | 0:23:58 | |
How did you get out of the mess that you were in? | 0:24:01 | 0:24:04 | |
We've just worked incredibly hard, | 0:24:04 | 0:24:07 | |
made lots of sacrifices. | 0:24:07 | 0:24:08 | |
And then it came through. | 0:24:10 | 0:24:11 | |
This seems to be the one section of the economy that's doing well... | 0:24:18 | 0:24:22 | |
-Yes. -..at the moment. | 0:24:22 | 0:24:24 | |
Market prices are really good at the moment. | 0:24:24 | 0:24:26 | |
Better than we've ever seen. | 0:24:26 | 0:24:28 | |
But nothing's certain in life. | 0:24:31 | 0:24:34 | |
It all depends on the market. | 0:24:34 | 0:24:37 | |
That's what governs our livelihood. | 0:24:37 | 0:24:41 | |
The BSE crisis ended and the global market improved dramatically. | 0:24:47 | 0:24:51 | |
In the 12 years since I last came to the valley, | 0:24:53 | 0:24:57 | |
the price of a leg of lamb has increased by 75%. | 0:24:57 | 0:25:01 | |
But the farm's survival wasn't simply the result of better prices for lamb. | 0:25:06 | 0:25:11 | |
The Roberts came from a community whose very remoteness has | 0:25:17 | 0:25:21 | |
helped create strong family bonds. | 0:25:21 | 0:25:23 | |
'I am really proud of my children's achievements. | 0:25:25 | 0:25:29 | |
'Mali - she's going to do her A levels next year.' | 0:25:31 | 0:25:35 | |
-She's a very good artist? -Very. Her and Alo are very good artists. | 0:25:35 | 0:25:40 | |
Alo, the Roberts' eldest daughter, has left home since I last visited. | 0:25:43 | 0:25:47 | |
Like her mother before her, she's getting married to a young farmer. | 0:25:47 | 0:25:51 | |
And then Nest - she's just a comic for me. | 0:25:53 | 0:25:57 | |
-She's just, just crazy. -She has a great sense of humour? | 0:26:01 | 0:26:06 | |
She makes me laugh, anyway. All of them. | 0:26:06 | 0:26:09 | |
Cai - he wants to shear. He like his tractors. | 0:26:11 | 0:26:14 | |
You know, give him a spanner or a hammer and some nails, | 0:26:14 | 0:26:18 | |
and he's happy, happy as Larry. | 0:26:18 | 0:26:21 | |
And I found here a shift in attitudes - | 0:26:24 | 0:26:26 | |
the idea that the farm might be taken over by one of the girls, rather than their son. | 0:26:26 | 0:26:32 | |
Do you think he'll be the one running the farm in the future? | 0:26:32 | 0:26:36 | |
Er, out of the four, I think Nest will. | 0:26:36 | 0:26:39 | |
But girls don't normally inherit the tenancy, do they? | 0:26:41 | 0:26:44 | |
No, but what I say is, just because he's a boy, it's not fair. | 0:26:44 | 0:26:48 | |
Because Nest and Mali... All four of them have worked hard. | 0:26:48 | 0:26:52 | |
Arwyn is still the shy and quiet man I remembered, | 0:26:55 | 0:26:58 | |
a man who lets his work, rather than his words, speak for him. | 0:26:58 | 0:27:03 | |
When I last spoke to you, | 0:27:05 | 0:27:06 | |
you worried that Arwyn would work himself into the ground. | 0:27:06 | 0:27:09 | |
-Mm. -But he strikes me as someone who loves work. | 0:27:11 | 0:27:13 | |
-I know! -I think it's the thing that will keep him going. | 0:27:13 | 0:27:17 | |
That's what keeps him going. | 0:27:17 | 0:27:19 | |
Yes, his whole family, they're exactly the same. | 0:27:19 | 0:27:22 | |
He thrives on it. | 0:27:22 | 0:27:23 | |
-He does come across as the strong silent... -Oh, yes! | 0:27:25 | 0:27:28 | |
Very traditional man. | 0:27:28 | 0:27:30 | |
He's not confident in speaking English, | 0:27:30 | 0:27:33 | |
even though it's perfect and he can. | 0:27:33 | 0:27:35 | |
You know, he doesn't feel comfortable. | 0:27:35 | 0:27:37 | |
It's our second language, remember. | 0:27:39 | 0:27:41 | |
Very proud, very hard-working. Wouldn't have him any other way. | 0:27:43 | 0:27:47 | |
The Roberts family are financially better off, | 0:27:49 | 0:27:53 | |
but something deeper has happened. | 0:27:53 | 0:27:55 | |
Gwlithyn is a transformed person. | 0:28:02 | 0:28:05 | |
BEEPS HORN | 0:28:07 | 0:28:10 | |
Last time I came, there was this very honest, | 0:28:10 | 0:28:14 | |
very vulnerable person sitting opposite me. | 0:28:14 | 0:28:17 | |
I still am. | 0:28:17 | 0:28:19 | |
You're very honest, but I sense that you're much stronger. | 0:28:19 | 0:28:22 | |
Oh, yeah. Yes. | 0:28:22 | 0:28:24 | |
What's made the difference? | 0:28:29 | 0:28:31 | |
I made myself like myself. | 0:28:31 | 0:28:33 | |
I think to myself if I don't like me, | 0:28:35 | 0:28:37 | |
nobody else will. | 0:28:37 | 0:28:39 | |
I'm not bothered about what people think of me any more. | 0:28:41 | 0:28:45 | |
I was trying to please everybody, then. | 0:28:45 | 0:28:47 | |
Work has made THE difference. | 0:28:50 | 0:28:52 | |
Gwlithyn's found a job with the National Farmers' Union. | 0:28:52 | 0:28:56 | |
She's no longer alone at home, but part of a wider community. | 0:28:58 | 0:29:02 | |
In work, I'm not anybody's wife, sister, mother, daughter. | 0:29:04 | 0:29:08 | |
I'm just me there. | 0:29:08 | 0:29:09 | |
I just love it. | 0:29:11 | 0:29:13 | |
-And the sense of being wanted? -Yes. | 0:29:13 | 0:29:16 | |
Yes, and you feel like you've got something to offer. | 0:29:16 | 0:29:20 | |
That's what I like. | 0:29:20 | 0:29:21 | |
The Roberts' farm has survived. | 0:29:25 | 0:29:28 | |
12 years ago, I didn't think it would. | 0:29:28 | 0:29:31 | |
They'd been saved because they worked so hard, | 0:29:31 | 0:29:35 | |
and the market delivered better prices. | 0:29:35 | 0:29:37 | |
But I knew this was one family's experience. | 0:29:41 | 0:29:44 | |
There is a bleaker narrative of rural communities across Britain, | 0:29:44 | 0:29:49 | |
a story I'll come back to later. | 0:29:49 | 0:29:51 | |
Back in Cornwall, the Baileys have a serious problem. | 0:29:58 | 0:30:01 | |
A disease that had been controlled for decades | 0:30:01 | 0:30:05 | |
is now threatening the herd. | 0:30:05 | 0:30:07 | |
-NEWSREADER: -There's been a rise | 0:30:08 | 0:30:10 | |
in the number of cattle in England infected with bovine TB. | 0:30:10 | 0:30:14 | |
Last year, 25,000 cattle were destroyed because of the disease. | 0:30:14 | 0:30:18 | |
Bovine TB now affects around 8,000 farms across Britain, | 0:30:19 | 0:30:23 | |
and it'll cost the taxpayer up to | 0:30:23 | 0:30:26 | |
£1 billion to control over the next decade. | 0:30:26 | 0:30:29 | |
12 years ago, the Baileys had to sell the herd to pay their debts. | 0:30:35 | 0:30:39 | |
This time around, they can't, and the farm is overcrowded. | 0:30:40 | 0:30:44 | |
To prevent TB entering Britain's food chain, | 0:30:45 | 0:30:48 | |
farms with infected cattle | 0:30:48 | 0:30:50 | |
aren't allowed to sell them onto the open market. | 0:30:50 | 0:30:53 | |
It's meant keeping animals the Baileys would normally have sold. | 0:30:53 | 0:30:57 | |
These are all for sale, this lot. I know they are. | 0:30:57 | 0:31:00 | |
There's a big cost here. | 0:31:00 | 0:31:02 | |
I've been through 'em, | 0:31:03 | 0:31:05 | |
looking for ones that could potentially be for sale. | 0:31:05 | 0:31:08 | |
At the moment, we've got 22 that we can sell, or could potentially sell. | 0:31:08 | 0:31:13 | |
They're going to have to go because I haven't got any more food, | 0:31:15 | 0:31:18 | |
and they're lying in shit when they should be lying on straw, | 0:31:18 | 0:31:22 | |
and I've only got three bales of straw left, so I'm rationing them. | 0:31:22 | 0:31:25 | |
Since a routine TB test two years ago, | 0:31:32 | 0:31:34 | |
the Baileys' farm has been under restriction. | 0:31:34 | 0:31:37 | |
The milk can be sold, because it's pasteurised to remove any diseases, | 0:31:38 | 0:31:43 | |
so they do have an income. | 0:31:43 | 0:31:44 | |
But the cost of keeping more cattle than they can afford means mounting stress. | 0:31:46 | 0:31:51 | |
We know loads of people who've been under restriction lots of times, | 0:31:51 | 0:31:55 | |
but until we had been under it for two years, | 0:31:55 | 0:31:57 | |
we didn't realise quite how much they were suffering. | 0:31:57 | 0:31:59 | |
Well, we spend more time TB-testing than we do on holiday. | 0:31:59 | 0:32:03 | |
It's two days every 60 days and has been, | 0:32:03 | 0:32:05 | |
apart from one six-month break in two years. | 0:32:05 | 0:32:08 | |
-Over two years now. -Over two years now, yeah. | 0:32:08 | 0:32:11 | |
But today could mark a turning point for the Baileys, | 0:32:14 | 0:32:17 | |
the beginning of the end of costly restrictions. | 0:32:20 | 0:32:23 | |
I'm on the farm to meet the vet. | 0:32:25 | 0:32:27 | |
Jason, what are you going to be doing exactly this morning? | 0:32:28 | 0:32:32 | |
I mean, how many cattle are you testing? | 0:32:32 | 0:32:35 | |
We are going to be testing all Mr Bailey's stock, | 0:32:35 | 0:32:38 | |
basically two jabs per animal, | 0:32:38 | 0:32:40 | |
and when we come back three days later, | 0:32:40 | 0:32:42 | |
we're going to compare the lumps on the two sites, | 0:32:42 | 0:32:44 | |
and that's going to determine the result of the test. | 0:32:44 | 0:32:47 | |
15 years ago, there was much less TB around. | 0:32:49 | 0:32:51 | |
I wouldn't say it was completely clear but much, much less. | 0:32:51 | 0:32:54 | |
What's bringing it in? | 0:32:54 | 0:32:56 | |
Erm, well, that's the big question, isn't it? | 0:32:56 | 0:32:59 | |
I think...probably the consensus is going to be that there's | 0:32:59 | 0:33:02 | |
an issue with the wildlife reservoirs, unfortunately. | 0:33:02 | 0:33:06 | |
The wildlife reservoirs sounds to me like | 0:33:06 | 0:33:08 | |
a really polite, politically correct way of saying badgers. | 0:33:08 | 0:33:11 | |
Yeah, I think that is basically the bottom line. | 0:33:11 | 0:33:14 | |
I don't hate badgers, I like badgers, | 0:33:18 | 0:33:20 | |
but I like healthy badgers and I'd like to meet the bloody man | 0:33:20 | 0:33:24 | |
who thought a badger needed anybody's protection, let alone, | 0:33:24 | 0:33:27 | |
you know, all badgers needed protecting, cos that's such a... | 0:33:27 | 0:33:32 | |
It's ridiculous. | 0:33:32 | 0:33:34 | |
13% of the badgers that get run over on the road are actually infected, | 0:33:34 | 0:33:38 | |
apparently, or they were, until they stopped testing 'em. | 0:33:38 | 0:33:42 | |
And to some, 13% isn't very much, but if 13% of humans had TB, | 0:33:42 | 0:33:48 | |
that would be a major health epidemic, wouldn't it? | 0:33:48 | 0:33:51 | |
I'm coming. I'm coming. | 0:33:51 | 0:33:53 | |
I can see the beasts coming toward us. | 0:33:54 | 0:33:57 | |
Have you ever been whacked by one of them? | 0:33:57 | 0:33:59 | |
Yes, yes. Not as often as I could have been, to be honest. | 0:33:59 | 0:34:02 | |
I've always been very careful, I'll be frank with you, | 0:34:02 | 0:34:04 | |
cos obviously they're big girls. | 0:34:04 | 0:34:06 | |
But, yeah, occasionally you get the odd kick and you get the odd butt, | 0:34:06 | 0:34:10 | |
but the thing with TB testing is you tend to get your fingers trapped, | 0:34:10 | 0:34:13 | |
hence the gloves and the tape, but... | 0:34:13 | 0:34:16 | |
So, yeah, you have to be a little bit careful. | 0:34:16 | 0:34:18 | |
Obviously, big animals, close confinement, sticking needles in them - rarely a happy combination. | 0:34:18 | 0:34:24 | |
They can get aggressive. | 0:34:24 | 0:34:25 | |
There won't be any results today. | 0:34:29 | 0:34:31 | |
The vet will be back in three days | 0:34:31 | 0:34:33 | |
to see how the cattle have reacted to their jabs, | 0:34:33 | 0:34:35 | |
and Ben and Jackie have been through enough to be able to take | 0:34:35 | 0:34:39 | |
today's tests in their stride. | 0:34:39 | 0:34:41 | |
Go, go, go, go! | 0:34:42 | 0:34:44 | |
Besides a limitless capacity for hard work, | 0:34:48 | 0:34:51 | |
humour is a vital part of life on a small farm. | 0:34:51 | 0:34:55 | |
This triplet hasn't had her calf yet. | 0:34:55 | 0:34:57 | |
-That's Britney. This is... -Is that after Britney Spears? | 0:34:57 | 0:35:00 | |
-Yeah, and this is Gaga. -Heaven forbid! After Lady Gaga? | 0:35:00 | 0:35:04 | |
If only she knew that one of your cows was called after her! | 0:35:04 | 0:35:07 | |
The other one's Beyonce. | 0:35:07 | 0:35:09 | |
I have to say, on first looking, I can't spot the resemblance. | 0:35:09 | 0:35:12 | |
No. | 0:35:12 | 0:35:14 | |
Well, I didn't know how she was going to develop when we named her. | 0:35:14 | 0:35:18 | |
But she's got quite a nice butt on her. | 0:35:18 | 0:35:20 | |
You've never regretted being a farmer? | 0:35:25 | 0:35:28 | |
No, not in the least. | 0:35:28 | 0:35:30 | |
I've fulfilled my lifetime's ambition. | 0:35:32 | 0:35:35 | |
But, unfortunately, it's turned out to be a crock of shit. | 0:35:36 | 0:35:39 | |
But that's beside the point. | 0:35:39 | 0:35:41 | |
Neighbours Frank and Maureen have come to help, | 0:36:00 | 0:36:03 | |
along with Rachel, the Bailey's apprentice, | 0:36:03 | 0:36:06 | |
whose job depends on their survival. | 0:36:06 | 0:36:09 | |
We didn't fully appreciate what it was like to be locked up with TB. | 0:36:09 | 0:36:13 | |
We had friends in Devon who were, for a while. | 0:36:13 | 0:36:17 | |
Whinging bastards, we used to call 'em! | 0:36:17 | 0:36:19 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:36:19 | 0:36:21 | |
Lot of moaning. | 0:36:22 | 0:36:23 | |
Every business has its whingers, even the bankers. | 0:36:23 | 0:36:26 | |
They get a million and a half bonus and they're still whinging. | 0:36:26 | 0:36:29 | |
So, everybody does it. | 0:36:29 | 0:36:33 | |
'I was struck by their sense | 0:36:33 | 0:36:35 | |
'of not being valued by the people of the city. | 0:36:35 | 0:36:37 | |
'It was a theme that had deepened in the 12 years since I'd last been here.' | 0:36:37 | 0:36:42 | |
Do you feel a town and country divide? | 0:36:42 | 0:36:45 | |
When I say town and country, people in London, | 0:36:45 | 0:36:49 | |
who come down here to their holiday homes, | 0:36:49 | 0:36:52 | |
who come down to their holiday homes. | 0:36:52 | 0:36:54 | |
They like a sterile, aspic-coated countryside. | 0:36:54 | 0:37:00 | |
That's what they think it should be like, | 0:37:00 | 0:37:02 | |
rather than what it actually is like. | 0:37:02 | 0:37:04 | |
I think the worst, though, Ben, is when they come and they just want to turn it into suburbia. | 0:37:04 | 0:37:09 | |
They've moved from suburbia to the countryside, | 0:37:09 | 0:37:12 | |
-and then they immediately want to put a... -Change it. -Yeah, change it, | 0:37:12 | 0:37:15 | |
and don't want you driving your tractor past or moving your bullocks | 0:37:15 | 0:37:19 | |
or something, all the things that they moved to be a part of. | 0:37:19 | 0:37:23 | |
If I was a builder, I wouldn't mind so much, cos they make shitloads of money out of them. | 0:37:23 | 0:37:28 | |
-But you resent them? -They're just parasites to me. | 0:37:28 | 0:37:30 | |
I'd rather they stayed in London and ate my produce without troubling me. | 0:37:30 | 0:37:34 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:37:34 | 0:37:35 | |
-And left our countryside alone! -Yeah. | 0:37:35 | 0:37:38 | |
I'll return to Cornwall for the results of the TB tests, | 0:37:42 | 0:37:45 | |
but rural anger isn't just about TB. | 0:37:45 | 0:37:48 | |
Recession has also deepened a sense of alienation. | 0:37:54 | 0:37:57 | |
It's increased the pressure on rural communities already struggling with decline. | 0:37:57 | 0:38:02 | |
In Wales, some 3,000 rural businesses have been lost in two decades. | 0:38:05 | 0:38:09 | |
-NEWSREADER: -Rural parts of Britain are being hardest hit by the recession, | 0:38:09 | 0:38:13 | |
according to new research from the commission for rural communities. | 0:38:13 | 0:38:17 | |
There's a warning today that Britain's villages could die | 0:38:17 | 0:38:19 | |
without radical action to give more power to the people who live in them. | 0:38:19 | 0:38:23 | |
When I last visited North Wales, | 0:38:34 | 0:38:36 | |
there were already worries about what rural decline might mean for local children. | 0:38:36 | 0:38:41 | |
Back then, at the local school in the nearby village of Cerrigydrudion, | 0:38:41 | 0:38:45 | |
the Roberts' girls were being taught by Gwlithyn's aunt, Nan. | 0:38:45 | 0:38:49 | |
A lot of children want to be farmers, | 0:38:51 | 0:38:54 | |
like their parents and like grandparents. | 0:38:54 | 0:38:57 | |
What should I say? Should I tell them, | 0:38:57 | 0:38:59 | |
"No, there won't be any farming community at Cerrigydrudion. | 0:38:59 | 0:39:03 | |
"Don't even think about farming." | 0:39:03 | 0:39:04 | |
This thriving school is an exception here. | 0:39:07 | 0:39:10 | |
Four others in the area have closed in the last 20 years. | 0:39:12 | 0:39:15 | |
It's a trend threatening the identity of this community. | 0:39:17 | 0:39:21 | |
And it doesn't seem to augur well for the Roberts' son Cai, | 0:39:23 | 0:39:27 | |
or his sisters, who want to farm. | 0:39:27 | 0:39:29 | |
This is it, I think. | 0:39:29 | 0:39:30 | |
NAN TALKS TO THE CLASS IN WELSH | 0:39:30 | 0:39:32 | |
I recognise that voice. | 0:39:32 | 0:39:34 | |
-Nan. -Hello, how are you? -How are you doing? | 0:39:34 | 0:39:38 | |
-All right, thank you. -How nice to see you. -And you, Fergal. | 0:39:38 | 0:39:41 | |
You're still with young ones, even though we're all older. | 0:39:41 | 0:39:44 | |
Yes, year three and four. Seven to nine year olds. | 0:39:44 | 0:39:48 | |
I've got 19 in the class and they're flabbergasted. | 0:39:48 | 0:39:53 | |
-Good afternoon, everyone. -Good afternoon. | 0:39:53 | 0:39:55 | |
-How do I say that in Welsh? -Pnawn da. -Pnawn da. | 0:39:55 | 0:39:59 | |
CLASS: Pnawn da. | 0:39:59 | 0:40:01 | |
Computers - they weren't here the last time I was here. | 0:40:02 | 0:40:05 | |
No, no, no. We're very lucky. | 0:40:05 | 0:40:07 | |
We've moved on in this technological world we're living in. | 0:40:07 | 0:40:11 | |
They're composing. | 0:40:11 | 0:40:12 | |
They're playing around with composing on the computer. | 0:40:12 | 0:40:16 | |
How many of the children in your class do you think | 0:40:22 | 0:40:25 | |
want to become farmers or work on the land? | 0:40:25 | 0:40:28 | |
The boys, I would think, half of them. | 0:40:28 | 0:40:31 | |
And how many will actually get there? | 0:40:33 | 0:40:35 | |
Oh, another matter. Something to do with agriculture, maybe. | 0:40:35 | 0:40:39 | |
How important is this school in creating a cohesion here, | 0:40:48 | 0:40:51 | |
and protecting your Welsh identity, particularly given the fact | 0:40:51 | 0:40:55 | |
that other schools in the area have closed down? | 0:40:55 | 0:40:58 | |
I really believe you have to have children believe in their identity. | 0:40:58 | 0:41:04 | |
Being Welsh is more than just learning the language. | 0:41:04 | 0:41:08 | |
You've got to live it. | 0:41:08 | 0:41:09 | |
THEY SING IN WELSH | 0:41:09 | 0:41:12 | |
It saddens me to see local schools around the area closing | 0:41:22 | 0:41:26 | |
or even going very small schools now. | 0:41:26 | 0:41:28 | |
Why is that happening? | 0:41:34 | 0:41:36 | |
Because people are moving out and no children. | 0:41:36 | 0:41:39 | |
Young people are moving away, | 0:41:42 | 0:41:45 | |
and supermarkets in the towns are taking the business. | 0:41:45 | 0:41:49 | |
We've only got one shop now. We haven't even got a pub. | 0:41:49 | 0:41:54 | |
-And what about the butcher shop? -No. Gone. | 0:41:54 | 0:41:58 | |
-In a place with so much livestock? -Couldn't... Yes. | 0:41:58 | 0:42:01 | |
Couldn't live on the income that they were generating. | 0:42:01 | 0:42:05 | |
It strikes me there's a bit of a paradox here, | 0:42:09 | 0:42:12 | |
because on the one level, you want to protect your identity, | 0:42:12 | 0:42:16 | |
and your language and everything that's been here for centuries, | 0:42:16 | 0:42:19 | |
but parts of the community are dying, because there isn't enough... | 0:42:19 | 0:42:23 | |
There isn't enough people, there's not enough new blood. | 0:42:23 | 0:42:26 | |
No, no. So I'm telling all the young ones, | 0:42:26 | 0:42:29 | |
"Come on, get some children in!" | 0:42:29 | 0:42:31 | |
But in reality, I know what you're saying. I can... | 0:42:31 | 0:42:34 | |
I haven't got the answer to it. | 0:42:34 | 0:42:36 | |
On so many levels, this is a very attractive place to be. | 0:42:44 | 0:42:47 | |
If you're a parent, you're not worried about your children, | 0:42:47 | 0:42:50 | |
and you've got an identity that's been with you for hundreds of years, | 0:42:50 | 0:42:53 | |
but I really worry about it lasting, because jobs are vanishing, | 0:42:53 | 0:42:57 | |
people can't fill their shops. | 0:42:57 | 0:42:59 | |
They're going to have problem filling their schools, | 0:42:59 | 0:43:02 | |
because without an infrastructure of employment for people, | 0:43:02 | 0:43:06 | |
you just see slow, steady decline ahead. | 0:43:06 | 0:43:08 | |
As more young people leave, | 0:43:12 | 0:43:14 | |
the Welsh language is declining in its heartlands. | 0:43:14 | 0:43:17 | |
The Welsh government has spent nearly £1 billion | 0:43:20 | 0:43:23 | |
trying to boost rural development in the last decade. | 0:43:23 | 0:43:26 | |
But during the recession, rural youth unemployment rose sharply. | 0:43:30 | 0:43:34 | |
What would you like to see them do, the girls? | 0:43:37 | 0:43:40 | |
I just want them to be happy and achieve their goals. | 0:43:40 | 0:43:44 | |
If that means leaving here to go to the city, how would you feel? | 0:43:44 | 0:43:49 | |
If that's their choice, | 0:43:49 | 0:43:51 | |
you know, I'll back them up 100%, | 0:43:51 | 0:43:54 | |
because if you don't get your parents' encouragement... | 0:43:54 | 0:43:59 | |
I'd prefer them to go from here, | 0:43:59 | 0:44:02 | |
knowing that they know that we're happy with them, | 0:44:02 | 0:44:05 | |
than going without our... | 0:44:05 | 0:44:07 | |
-I don't know what the English is. -Blessing? -Yes. | 0:44:08 | 0:44:12 | |
Yes. | 0:44:12 | 0:44:14 | |
The Roberts' girls want to be the fifth generation of their family to farm in this valley. | 0:44:16 | 0:44:21 | |
Who's this stranger? | 0:44:24 | 0:44:25 | |
'And, constantly, I was reminded of how land and language defined their identity.' | 0:44:25 | 0:44:30 | |
Do you think you'd like to be a farmer? | 0:44:32 | 0:44:34 | |
Why? | 0:44:38 | 0:44:39 | |
I mean, you see your parents working very, very hard. | 0:44:48 | 0:44:51 | |
Would that put you off the idea of being a farmer? | 0:44:51 | 0:44:54 | |
The girls want to stay, but may have to consider leaving. | 0:45:06 | 0:45:10 | |
But I wonder if the language might be a barrier | 0:45:14 | 0:45:17 | |
to a future for them beyond these hills. | 0:45:17 | 0:45:19 | |
Do you think the fact that Welsh is their first language would be a hindrance to them? | 0:45:21 | 0:45:26 | |
-Oh, no! -Do you not think so? | 0:45:26 | 0:45:29 | |
I think it's an advantage, really. | 0:45:29 | 0:45:32 | |
You don't think when they're born, "Oh, I'll speak English to them, | 0:45:35 | 0:45:38 | |
"just to make sure that they have the right track to begin with." | 0:45:38 | 0:45:43 | |
Oh, no. | 0:45:43 | 0:45:44 | |
Whatever they might wish for, I worry that the next generation | 0:45:47 | 0:45:51 | |
will have to leave the hills in search of work. | 0:45:51 | 0:45:54 | |
The evidence points to many young people here being | 0:46:00 | 0:46:03 | |
forced to plan for a life in the towns and cities. | 0:46:03 | 0:46:06 | |
'Sitting with this happy family, | 0:46:12 | 0:46:15 | |
I wondered how much would be lost' with the decline of rural Britain.' | 0:46:15 | 0:46:19 | |
'It was a question that lingered through the good humour of our farewell meal.' | 0:46:19 | 0:46:24 | |
For everyone at the table, a quiz - | 0:46:28 | 0:46:30 | |
if somebody said to you, you could have your dream, what would it be? | 0:46:30 | 0:46:34 | |
-Oh, I'm living the dream. -OK. | 0:46:34 | 0:46:36 | |
-ALO: -I'd have a Range Rover. -OK. | 0:46:39 | 0:46:41 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:46:41 | 0:46:43 | |
SHE SPEAKS WELSH | 0:46:43 | 0:46:45 | |
-Sheep. You want sheep of your own? -Yeah. It's sheep from Yorkshire. | 0:46:47 | 0:46:52 | |
-How about you, Nest? -World peace. | 0:46:52 | 0:46:55 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:46:55 | 0:46:57 | |
The great Welsh post R S Thomas once bleakly observed | 0:47:03 | 0:47:06 | |
that there was no future here, only the past. | 0:47:06 | 0:47:10 | |
I know the Roberts would disagree. | 0:47:12 | 0:47:14 | |
All are working towards a future here. | 0:47:14 | 0:47:17 | |
After a long struggle, they feel entitled to hope. | 0:47:17 | 0:47:20 | |
In Cornwall, I'd left the Baileys waiting to hear | 0:47:32 | 0:47:35 | |
if any of their cattle had TB. | 0:47:35 | 0:47:37 | |
It's results day. | 0:47:38 | 0:47:40 | |
Ben's apprentice Rachel helps Jason the vet | 0:47:41 | 0:47:44 | |
inspect the bullocks on the headland. | 0:47:44 | 0:47:46 | |
Jason checks for lumps that would betray the presence of infection. | 0:47:54 | 0:47:58 | |
Yeah, OK. | 0:47:59 | 0:48:00 | |
A cow found with the disease is called a reactor | 0:48:00 | 0:48:03 | |
and will have to be destroyed. | 0:48:03 | 0:48:05 | |
All good. | 0:48:07 | 0:48:08 | |
Good news so far, but there's a lot more cattle to go. | 0:48:15 | 0:48:18 | |
I think Ben is clearly nervous, waiting down there. | 0:48:21 | 0:48:25 | |
He got the news by phone from Rachel | 0:48:25 | 0:48:28 | |
and you've got 100-plus more cattle still to go. | 0:48:28 | 0:48:32 | |
An hour later and the family watch the rest of the herd being tested. | 0:48:47 | 0:48:51 | |
Just stop the third one. The first two are all right. | 0:48:57 | 0:49:01 | |
The first two are all right. | 0:49:01 | 0:49:03 | |
Just stop that third one, if that's all right. | 0:49:03 | 0:49:05 | |
Right, OK there. | 0:49:22 | 0:49:24 | |
OK for her. | 0:49:26 | 0:49:28 | |
Good start, anyway. | 0:49:30 | 0:49:32 | |
After a scare, the vet gives Jackie's favourite cows the all-clear. | 0:49:40 | 0:49:44 | |
Gaga and Britney went through fine. Now Beyonce's gone through fine. | 0:49:48 | 0:49:52 | |
-How many have we done now? -I don't know. | 0:50:02 | 0:50:05 | |
Fair enough. | 0:50:05 | 0:50:07 | |
Just keep going. | 0:50:08 | 0:50:10 | |
I should think we've probably done half of the cows. | 0:50:10 | 0:50:13 | |
And all clear so far. | 0:50:13 | 0:50:14 | |
There'll be another 60 or so after this, I guess. | 0:50:16 | 0:50:18 | |
-But it only takes one. -Yeah. | 0:50:22 | 0:50:25 | |
It could be the first one or the last one, it doesn't make any odds. | 0:50:25 | 0:50:28 | |
Better stop the second one, folks, I'm afraid. | 0:50:28 | 0:50:30 | |
Hmm, that doesn't sound so good, does it? | 0:50:30 | 0:50:33 | |
Yeah, She's going to be an inconclusive, I'm afraid to say. | 0:50:42 | 0:50:46 | |
What does that mean? | 0:50:46 | 0:50:48 | |
Um, essentially, she has a slightly larger lump at the bottom, | 0:50:48 | 0:50:53 | |
than at the top. | 0:50:53 | 0:50:54 | |
But there's a range of increase over which we retest. | 0:50:54 | 0:51:00 | |
Beyond that, they become a reactor. | 0:51:00 | 0:51:02 | |
She is within the range in which we retest. | 0:51:02 | 0:51:04 | |
Middle of the road, in terms of not that close to being clear. | 0:51:06 | 0:51:11 | |
But desperately close to being a true reactor. | 0:51:12 | 0:51:15 | |
Will you retest? | 0:51:15 | 0:51:17 | |
She'll be retested after 60 days, so, yeah. | 0:51:17 | 0:51:21 | |
Does that mean you don't get an all-clear, Ben? | 0:51:27 | 0:51:30 | |
I don't know. You'd better ask Jason about that. | 0:51:30 | 0:51:33 | |
It would mean you don't get an all-clear, yeah. | 0:51:33 | 0:51:36 | |
The Baileys have slaughtered eleven cows with TB in two years. | 0:51:39 | 0:51:44 | |
If it tests positive, this animal, too, will be killed. | 0:51:44 | 0:51:48 | |
-WOMAN: So, nothing's changed? -Not yet, no. | 0:51:48 | 0:51:51 | |
They get paid compensation, but it doesn't cover the losses. | 0:51:51 | 0:51:55 | |
-It's just her isn't it? -I don't know. | 0:51:55 | 0:51:58 | |
THEY TALK OVER EACH OTHER | 0:51:58 | 0:52:00 | |
I know Ben well enough by now | 0:52:02 | 0:52:03 | |
to leave him alone when he gets bad news. | 0:52:03 | 0:52:06 | |
He's a really proud, hard-working, decent guy, | 0:52:06 | 0:52:11 | |
and he couldn't be doing more to try and keep his farm, his herd, | 0:52:11 | 0:52:17 | |
clear of TB, and then he gets this. | 0:52:17 | 0:52:20 | |
You just can't help the feeling it's so unfair. | 0:52:20 | 0:52:24 | |
That's the word that comes to mind - it's just unfair. | 0:52:24 | 0:52:27 | |
Asshole! | 0:52:29 | 0:52:31 | |
Jason found just one cow that might have the disease. | 0:52:35 | 0:52:38 | |
If you can squeeze through, there's a seat over there. | 0:52:38 | 0:52:41 | |
But it means the entire farm must stay under restrictions. | 0:52:41 | 0:52:45 | |
In the old tradition of the country, there's dinner for all who help. | 0:52:45 | 0:52:49 | |
The cow's going dry again, look. | 0:52:52 | 0:52:54 | |
Been a long morning. | 0:52:54 | 0:52:56 | |
Particularly when you don't get the result you're after. | 0:52:56 | 0:52:59 | |
Disappointing but, erm, you know, | 0:52:59 | 0:53:01 | |
I regret to say, in good company, at the minute, so... | 0:53:01 | 0:53:05 | |
It's a bit disappointing, really. | 0:53:08 | 0:53:10 | |
Should've guessed it was all a bit too smooth. | 0:53:10 | 0:53:13 | |
Hope rather than expectation. | 0:53:15 | 0:53:17 | |
-Yeah. -RACHEL: -Bit too high, wasn't it? | 0:53:17 | 0:53:20 | |
SHE CHUCKLES | 0:53:20 | 0:53:21 | |
-In 21 years, we didn't have a reactor. -Hardly a bump. | 0:53:21 | 0:53:26 | |
And then suddenly, like, | 0:53:26 | 0:53:28 | |
for no, I don't know, for no apparent reason then, | 0:53:28 | 0:53:32 | |
obviously there's a reason, | 0:53:32 | 0:53:34 | |
but you go down and you can't get out of it. | 0:53:34 | 0:53:38 | |
But it's just... | 0:53:39 | 0:53:41 | |
It makes a mess of people's cashflows and things. | 0:53:43 | 0:53:46 | |
So, we have to rethink our plans, Ben. | 0:53:51 | 0:53:53 | |
-Yeah. -Plan B. | 0:53:53 | 0:53:55 | |
-So what's Plan B? -Well, if we can sell... | 0:53:55 | 0:53:58 | |
Plan B is we're going to think about it and see what we can do. | 0:53:58 | 0:54:03 | |
It does put a bit of a downer on everything now, doesn't it? | 0:54:03 | 0:54:07 | |
Well, it was going to go one way or the other. | 0:54:07 | 0:54:10 | |
I know. I just hoped that it was going to be clear. | 0:54:10 | 0:54:14 | |
The farm will stay under restrictions. | 0:54:26 | 0:54:29 | |
The Baileys' herd will be tested every 60 days | 0:54:31 | 0:54:34 | |
until they get the all-clear. | 0:54:34 | 0:54:36 | |
For all that, there isn't the sense of siege I remember 12 years ago. | 0:54:47 | 0:54:51 | |
The straight-talking Baileys have defeated the odds before. | 0:54:51 | 0:54:55 | |
Put your head in and drink. | 0:54:57 | 0:54:59 | |
When I look at the changing facts in the 12 years since I last came, | 0:54:59 | 0:55:03 | |
the big picture is worrying. | 0:55:03 | 0:55:05 | |
The number of small farms | 0:55:08 | 0:55:10 | |
and agricultural workers has been falling. | 0:55:10 | 0:55:12 | |
The obstacles faced by people like the Roberts and Baileys are numerous, | 0:55:15 | 0:55:19 | |
but, for them, the pride they take | 0:55:19 | 0:55:22 | |
in producing our food is the real prize, | 0:55:22 | 0:55:25 | |
and they'll do it as long as their energy lasts. | 0:55:25 | 0:55:28 | |
What do you do when you get too old to do this? | 0:55:34 | 0:55:36 | |
I don't know. I don't know, Fergal. | 0:55:36 | 0:55:38 | |
We had a little dream...that we're going to sell everything up | 0:55:39 | 0:55:43 | |
and get a Winnebago, | 0:55:43 | 0:55:44 | |
just bugger off, and just go away. | 0:55:44 | 0:55:47 | |
-Where would you go? -Probably start in Plymouth, get on a ferry | 0:55:47 | 0:55:50 | |
and just keep driving, till we run out of money, | 0:55:50 | 0:55:53 | |
or killed each other, cos we were living in a Winnebago! | 0:55:53 | 0:55:56 | |
I don't know. | 0:55:56 | 0:55:57 | |
I can't draw big conclusions about the rural future | 0:56:07 | 0:56:10 | |
from the experiences of two families. | 0:56:10 | 0:56:13 | |
And we don't know what the recession will ultimately mean for them. | 0:56:15 | 0:56:19 | |
But, for me, their work ethic | 0:56:20 | 0:56:22 | |
and faith in community is an inspiration. | 0:56:22 | 0:56:25 | |
And, whatever comes, they'll never settle for being forgotten. | 0:56:27 | 0:56:31 | |
You look, all of you, | 0:56:34 | 0:56:36 | |
like you really belong here, that's the thing. | 0:56:36 | 0:56:39 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:56:39 | 0:56:40 | |
-It doesn't suit everybody. -No, I can imagine that. | 0:56:40 | 0:56:43 | |
But it suits me. | 0:56:45 | 0:56:46 | |
I'm leaving on a high, coming away from those people, | 0:56:54 | 0:56:58 | |
cos they really would do you good. | 0:56:58 | 0:57:00 | |
'If you took reality to be what you read in the newspapers, | 0:57:02 | 0:57:07 | |
'what you see lined up in front of you on the nightly news,' | 0:57:07 | 0:57:11 | |
you'd jump off the edge of a cliff, | 0:57:11 | 0:57:14 | |
because you would come away with the impression there was no hope. | 0:57:14 | 0:57:18 | |
But that isn't the story of people on this island | 0:57:18 | 0:57:21 | |
or the story of people everywhere. It really isn't. | 0:57:21 | 0:57:24 | |
And I've played my own part in all of that, I know. | 0:57:24 | 0:57:28 | |
And do I regret it? Yes. | 0:57:28 | 0:57:30 | |
I do regret... | 0:57:30 | 0:57:32 | |
..seeing everything or seeing too much through the prism of misery. | 0:57:34 | 0:57:38 | |
Time we stopped it. | 0:57:38 | 0:57:40 | |
Next week, my journey around the forgotten Britain I visited 12 years ago, | 0:57:49 | 0:57:53 | |
will take me back to the cities of Glasgow and Leeds, | 0:57:53 | 0:57:57 | |
to find out what happened to the families I met back then. | 0:57:57 | 0:58:00 | |
I'll tell you this much - you haven't aged. | 0:58:02 | 0:58:04 | |
Well, I can probably say the same about you. | 0:58:04 | 0:58:06 | |
Put a bit of beef on, though. | 0:58:06 | 0:58:07 | |
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