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As a boy, the young David Lean wasn't allowed to go to the cinema. | 0:00:17 | 0:00:22 | |
His Quaker parents considered motion pictures to be sinful. | 0:00:22 | 0:00:27 | |
Perhaps that early denial helped spur him on | 0:00:27 | 0:00:30 | |
through his incredible career. | 0:00:30 | 0:00:32 | |
He began at the bottom as tea boy at Gaumont Film Studios | 0:00:34 | 0:00:39 | |
and steadily progressed to camera assistant, to editor, | 0:00:39 | 0:00:43 | |
and then co-director of Noel Coward's 1942 film | 0:00:43 | 0:00:48 | |
In Which We Serve, | 0:00:48 | 0:00:50 | |
his directing big break. | 0:00:50 | 0:00:51 | |
Over the next decade, Lean put out a run of British classics - | 0:00:53 | 0:00:58 | |
Blithe Spirit, Brief Encounter, | 0:00:58 | 0:01:00 | |
Great Expectations, and Oliver Twist. | 0:01:00 | 0:01:03 | |
And in 1955, he was invited to take part in the programme Film Profile. | 0:01:03 | 0:01:09 | |
Do you remember Brief Encounter, In Which We Serve, Oliver Twist, | 0:01:21 | 0:01:25 | |
The Sound Barrier, and Hobson's Choice | 0:01:25 | 0:01:26 | |
because these are just some of the films made by David Lean. | 0:01:26 | 0:01:30 | |
Sitting where an actor normally sits and feeling happy? | 0:01:30 | 0:01:33 | |
No, I don't really like it at all. | 0:01:34 | 0:01:36 | |
I feel that at any moment I'm going to get up | 0:01:36 | 0:01:39 | |
and just go behind the camera there and leave you to it. | 0:01:39 | 0:01:43 | |
Well, I tell you, before you do escape us, | 0:01:43 | 0:01:45 | |
we would like, David, to make this quite personal. | 0:01:45 | 0:01:48 | |
Some of the things you have liked making, | 0:01:48 | 0:01:50 | |
some even that you may have not liked making. | 0:01:50 | 0:01:53 | |
Some of the problems you've had, | 0:01:53 | 0:01:54 | |
and get your view on this business of film-making. | 0:01:54 | 0:01:58 | |
To start with, is a director's life as ulcer-making as people say? | 0:01:58 | 0:02:02 | |
No, I must tell you I've never had an ulcer. I hope I never do. | 0:02:03 | 0:02:07 | |
I enjoy this job more than anything I can imagine. | 0:02:07 | 0:02:11 | |
I think I'm very lucky. In fact... | 0:02:11 | 0:02:14 | |
..if I had the money in the bank I would pay the film people | 0:02:15 | 0:02:17 | |
to engage me. | 0:02:17 | 0:02:19 | |
You mentioned the money then, | 0:02:19 | 0:02:20 | |
are you concerned with money as a director? | 0:02:20 | 0:02:24 | |
Well, you always have the pressure of money behind you | 0:02:24 | 0:02:28 | |
because making a film is a very expensive business, | 0:02:28 | 0:02:32 | |
and if you've got an expensive cast it can go up to... | 0:02:32 | 0:02:37 | |
I have worked on films that the running costs is £2,000 a day. | 0:02:38 | 0:02:43 | |
Now if, when you're making that film, | 0:02:43 | 0:02:46 | |
you hear those pounds clicking into a till all the time, | 0:02:46 | 0:02:49 | |
you can lose your head. | 0:02:49 | 0:02:50 | |
Now, you, as the director, are really the coordinator, aren't you, | 0:02:50 | 0:02:54 | |
of cameras and lights and artists and so on? | 0:02:54 | 0:02:56 | |
Yes, as a coordinator. | 0:02:56 | 0:02:59 | |
Making a film concerns many hundreds of people | 0:02:59 | 0:03:02 | |
and he is the man | 0:03:02 | 0:03:05 | |
that gets them all together to put that final results onto the screen. | 0:03:05 | 0:03:09 | |
I would like to take you back, David, | 0:03:09 | 0:03:11 | |
to your own start as a cutter, because I've always understood | 0:03:11 | 0:03:15 | |
that you place enormous emphasis on this question of cutting. | 0:03:15 | 0:03:18 | |
Yes, well, I personally enjoy cutting... | 0:03:19 | 0:03:23 | |
..almost as much as direction. I think I find it a fascinating job. | 0:03:24 | 0:03:28 | |
Most people, I think, | 0:03:28 | 0:03:30 | |
they think cutting is a question of cutting out things. | 0:03:30 | 0:03:34 | |
It's nothing to do with cutting out things at all. | 0:03:34 | 0:03:36 | |
It's the juxtaposition of pictures and um... | 0:03:36 | 0:03:40 | |
You can make or mar a film by cutting. | 0:03:41 | 0:03:44 | |
You can't make a bad film good. You can make it tolerable sometimes. | 0:03:44 | 0:03:49 | |
And you can certainly ruin a good film. | 0:03:49 | 0:03:52 | |
As a member of the public sitting and watching your film go through, | 0:03:52 | 0:03:56 | |
-would I recognise a piece of good cutting? -I hope not. | 0:03:56 | 0:03:59 | |
Like all technique, one should be completely unconscious of it. | 0:03:59 | 0:04:03 | |
And, in fact, one should imagine that a film was... | 0:04:03 | 0:04:08 | |
started to be shot in the morning or whenever the film opens | 0:04:08 | 0:04:11 | |
and it was a continuous process right up to the end. | 0:04:11 | 0:04:14 | |
No, you shouldn't be conscious of it at all. | 0:04:14 | 0:04:16 | |
Now, I like to put you on the spot now | 0:04:16 | 0:04:18 | |
and ask you to choose from one of your own films, | 0:04:18 | 0:04:20 | |
the piece of cutting with which you were particularly pleased? | 0:04:20 | 0:04:23 | |
Well, I think I would choose... | 0:04:23 | 0:04:25 | |
..a bit out of Oliver Twist, which was the murder of Nancy | 0:04:26 | 0:04:31 | |
by Bill Sikes. | 0:04:31 | 0:04:34 | |
This hasn't got a word of dialogue in it and it is just cutting. | 0:04:34 | 0:04:38 | |
Just going from one picture to another. | 0:04:38 | 0:04:41 | |
So those numbers of pictures tell the story. | 0:04:41 | 0:04:45 | |
I've been true to you, upon my soul I have! | 0:04:50 | 0:04:54 | |
Small point, David, | 0:05:03 | 0:05:05 | |
but however did you get a dog to behave as competently as that? | 0:05:05 | 0:05:08 | |
Well, it was quite simple, really, when we found the answer. | 0:05:08 | 0:05:11 | |
This dog was the most lethargic dog I've ever met | 0:05:11 | 0:05:14 | |
and he was meant to be terribly fierce. | 0:05:14 | 0:05:17 | |
Somebody had the bright idea of going into the property department | 0:05:17 | 0:05:21 | |
and in the property department, they found a stuffed cat. | 0:05:21 | 0:05:25 | |
Now, we brought that onto the set, showed the dog the cat, | 0:05:25 | 0:05:28 | |
and it went raving mad. | 0:05:28 | 0:05:30 | |
So, all we had to do was to hold the dog, | 0:05:30 | 0:05:32 | |
open that door he was trying to scrabble through | 0:05:32 | 0:05:35 | |
and show the dog the cat, | 0:05:35 | 0:05:38 | |
shut the door, shove the cat's tail under the door, | 0:05:38 | 0:05:42 | |
waggle it, I said, "Action", | 0:05:42 | 0:05:44 | |
we withdrew the cat's tail | 0:05:44 | 0:05:46 | |
and the dog just went like a bomb after this cat. | 0:05:46 | 0:05:50 | |
It's a very bad story I hate to tell, really, but... | 0:05:50 | 0:05:53 | |
I still think he's a very competent performer | 0:05:53 | 0:05:55 | |
and I hope you've got him slapped under contract. | 0:05:55 | 0:05:57 | |
Now, you draw attention to the lack of dialogue. | 0:05:57 | 0:06:01 | |
What are your views on this question of use of dialogue? | 0:06:01 | 0:06:04 | |
Well, I must say I find dialogue | 0:06:04 | 0:06:07 | |
a bore for the most part. | 0:06:07 | 0:06:09 | |
I think if you look back on any film you've seen, | 0:06:09 | 0:06:12 | |
you don't remember lines of dialogue, you remember pictures. | 0:06:12 | 0:06:16 | |
And incidentally, I think people in the movie business | 0:06:16 | 0:06:21 | |
are going to concentrate more on pictures than on dialogue | 0:06:21 | 0:06:24 | |
because, fortunately, you boys have got to sit people down like me | 0:06:24 | 0:06:29 | |
and have them talk and talk and talk. | 0:06:29 | 0:06:31 | |
Well, I think we can beat you by showing pictures, | 0:06:31 | 0:06:34 | |
at least I hope so. You're not the enemy. | 0:06:34 | 0:06:36 | |
Let's talk for a moment about the problem of directing artists. | 0:06:36 | 0:06:39 | |
Now, you, yourself, were never an actor, were you? | 0:06:39 | 0:06:41 | |
No, I was never an actor. | 0:06:41 | 0:06:43 | |
I always suspect that directors are frustrated actors, | 0:06:43 | 0:06:46 | |
but this is my big moment, I think it will be my last. | 0:06:46 | 0:06:49 | |
But don't you feel diffident telling an actor how to do his job? | 0:06:49 | 0:06:53 | |
When I started directing actors, I expected any moment | 0:06:53 | 0:06:58 | |
they would turn around and say, "What on earth do you know about it?" | 0:06:58 | 0:07:01 | |
And I would've said, "Well, I don't." | 0:07:01 | 0:07:04 | |
..really give them a mood to interpret | 0:07:04 | 0:07:05 | |
and let them do it their own way? | 0:07:05 | 0:07:07 | |
Well, it's several things with actors. | 0:07:07 | 0:07:09 | |
First of all, I suppose that all of us are wonderful actors in our bath. | 0:07:09 | 0:07:15 | |
But as soon as you have | 0:07:16 | 0:07:18 | |
one of these horrible instruments pointing at you, | 0:07:18 | 0:07:21 | |
or as soon as you are on a stage, you start to... | 0:07:21 | 0:07:25 | |
..become paralysed. | 0:07:26 | 0:07:28 | |
And it's half the director's job | 0:07:28 | 0:07:31 | |
is taking the nerves out of actors | 0:07:31 | 0:07:34 | |
because nearly all actors are very, very nervous | 0:07:34 | 0:07:39 | |
when they start making a picture. | 0:07:39 | 0:07:41 | |
The sweat will pour off them. | 0:07:42 | 0:07:45 | |
You will see cigarettes in their hands, | 0:07:45 | 0:07:47 | |
or if they have that papers to hold, you will see them start to shake. | 0:07:47 | 0:07:50 | |
And it is a terrifying instrument. | 0:07:50 | 0:07:52 | |
Well now, the director has got to break that down | 0:07:52 | 0:07:54 | |
and make them feel completely at ease. | 0:07:54 | 0:07:56 | |
Then the next job he's got to do is, um... | 0:07:56 | 0:07:59 | |
..to ensure that they think right | 0:08:00 | 0:08:02 | |
because acting for the cinema is purely a question of thought. | 0:08:02 | 0:08:09 | |
If you see an amateur stage show, people pull faces. | 0:08:09 | 0:08:13 | |
Acting is not pulling faces, it's thinking. | 0:08:14 | 0:08:18 | |
On the screen, even on a great big long shot | 0:08:18 | 0:08:22 | |
where the screen's that size and the actor's that size | 0:08:22 | 0:08:25 | |
and he's walking away, | 0:08:25 | 0:08:26 | |
if he's not thinking right, there'll be something wrong with his walk. | 0:08:26 | 0:08:30 | |
I don't know how it happens, but it does. | 0:08:30 | 0:08:32 | |
An actor has got to know what he's thinking | 0:08:32 | 0:08:34 | |
every moment during a scene. | 0:08:34 | 0:08:36 | |
Now, I watched you direct once | 0:08:36 | 0:08:38 | |
and there was none of this flamboyant shouting at actors. | 0:08:38 | 0:08:40 | |
You talked very quietly, indeed. That, I take it, is deliberate. | 0:08:40 | 0:08:43 | |
Yes, it is deliberate. | 0:08:43 | 0:08:44 | |
What I'm really doing is I'm tickling a talent. | 0:08:44 | 0:08:49 | |
I'm trying to draw their imagination out. | 0:08:49 | 0:08:54 | |
They'll... | 0:08:54 | 0:08:55 | |
..rehearse a scene and I'll say, "Yes, that's fine. | 0:08:57 | 0:08:59 | |
"Now, try to give it a bit more edge." | 0:08:59 | 0:09:02 | |
Try to do this, try to do that, and then gradually... | 0:09:02 | 0:09:05 | |
Carol Reed uses a wonderful expression. | 0:09:05 | 0:09:07 | |
He says that getting actors ready to do a scene | 0:09:07 | 0:09:11 | |
is rather like lining up horses at a tape. | 0:09:11 | 0:09:15 | |
And when they're keyed up to a certain point, boom, | 0:09:15 | 0:09:17 | |
down goes the tape, up they go and off they go. | 0:09:17 | 0:09:20 | |
If the camera's not ready or the sound breaks down, | 0:09:20 | 0:09:23 | |
as it very often does, well, that's the end of the game | 0:09:23 | 0:09:26 | |
because you have to start all over again. | 0:09:26 | 0:09:27 | |
Yes, that's right. Yes. | 0:09:27 | 0:09:29 | |
I would imagine that a director | 0:09:29 | 0:09:31 | |
can, obviously, make or break himself by the casting. | 0:09:31 | 0:09:34 | |
Is casting done largely by hunches? | 0:09:34 | 0:09:36 | |
Yes, you do. I mean, you... | 0:09:38 | 0:09:42 | |
write a script or work on a script | 0:09:42 | 0:09:44 | |
and then you get a picture | 0:09:44 | 0:09:46 | |
of a certain person in your mind, of course. | 0:09:46 | 0:09:49 | |
And, um... | 0:09:49 | 0:09:50 | |
..then you begin to think what actor could fit into that picture... | 0:09:51 | 0:09:55 | |
..been some of the most successful long odd casting that you've done. | 0:09:55 | 0:10:01 | |
Oh, well, I think it's a story against myself, really, | 0:10:01 | 0:10:05 | |
because on Great Expectations, | 0:10:05 | 0:10:07 | |
Alec Guinness played the part of a pale young gentlemen. | 0:10:07 | 0:10:11 | |
I don't know if you remember, this is what he looked like. | 0:10:11 | 0:10:13 | |
Mr Pip. | 0:10:15 | 0:10:17 | |
Well, that's how Alec looked in Great Expectations. | 0:10:17 | 0:10:19 | |
Now, after I had finished that film, I decided to make Oliver Twist, | 0:10:19 | 0:10:23 | |
and in it was the part of Fagin. | 0:10:23 | 0:10:25 | |
Alec came to me and said, "I would like to play Fagin." | 0:10:26 | 0:10:31 | |
Now, this is what Fagin looks like in Cruikshank's drawings. | 0:10:31 | 0:10:34 | |
Now as a result of this, I said to Alec, | 0:10:34 | 0:10:36 | |
"You're out of your mind. You can't play that." | 0:10:36 | 0:10:38 | |
And he said, | 0:10:38 | 0:10:39 | |
"Well, look, just give me a screen test. Just give me a test. | 0:10:39 | 0:10:42 | |
"I'll put a little make-up on and do various things. | 0:10:42 | 0:10:47 | |
"And, um... I think I can do it." | 0:10:47 | 0:10:50 | |
I said, "Well, I think you're mad but, all right, do it." | 0:10:50 | 0:10:53 | |
'And this is what he did.' | 0:10:53 | 0:10:55 | |
Clever dogs. | 0:10:55 | 0:10:56 | |
Clever dogs. | 0:10:57 | 0:10:59 | |
Another long shot that came off brilliantly. | 0:10:59 | 0:11:01 | |
Well, it came off through no fault of mine. | 0:11:01 | 0:11:04 | |
That was just Alec and since then, as we all know, | 0:11:04 | 0:11:06 | |
he's played many, many different parts, | 0:11:06 | 0:11:09 | |
but at the time, of course, that was quite extraordinary. | 0:11:09 | 0:11:11 | |
Mm-hmm. | 0:11:11 | 0:11:13 | |
And now for the 64 question. | 0:11:13 | 0:11:15 | |
What in your opinion is it that makes and distinguishes | 0:11:15 | 0:11:18 | |
your great international style? | 0:11:18 | 0:11:21 | |
Well, I... | 0:11:22 | 0:11:24 | |
I think it's two things. | 0:11:24 | 0:11:26 | |
One... | 0:11:26 | 0:11:28 | |
Way out in front - personality. | 0:11:28 | 0:11:30 | |
And two... | 0:11:32 | 0:11:33 | |
I think I can compare a star with a star tennis player. | 0:11:37 | 0:11:40 | |
A star will say his line, he'll wind it up in a ball | 0:11:42 | 0:11:46 | |
and flick it at the other actor. | 0:11:46 | 0:11:49 | |
The other actor will speak, the star will catch it, wind it up | 0:11:49 | 0:11:52 | |
and flip it back. | 0:11:52 | 0:11:54 | |
And a sort of tennis match takes place. | 0:11:54 | 0:11:57 | |
With an ordinary actor, they can be very good, | 0:11:57 | 0:12:02 | |
but they just haven't got that quality of throwing it back. | 0:12:02 | 0:12:05 | |
They'll say their line and that's an end of it. | 0:12:07 | 0:12:09 | |
The star will catch it and bong! Back it goes quickly. | 0:12:09 | 0:12:13 | |
So really, to get the best out of a star you need another star | 0:12:13 | 0:12:16 | |
-playing the other side of the net? -Of course. Every actor... | 0:12:16 | 0:12:19 | |
It is a sort of duel. | 0:12:19 | 0:12:21 | |
If you get two really good actors together, | 0:12:21 | 0:12:23 | |
they'll fence with each other. | 0:12:23 | 0:12:26 | |
And of course, the best comes out of them. | 0:12:26 | 0:12:28 | |
Lean brought out the best in his next two films - | 0:12:30 | 0:12:33 | |
Bridge On The River Kwai and Lawrence Of Arabia. | 0:12:33 | 0:12:36 | |
But he would often have a difficult relationships with actors | 0:12:36 | 0:12:40 | |
which many put down to his perfectionism and hard work ethic. | 0:12:40 | 0:12:44 | |
Omar Sharif considered Lean a brilliant man | 0:12:45 | 0:12:48 | |
and once described himself as one of the few actors Lean actually liked. | 0:12:48 | 0:12:54 | |
That's not how Sharif was feeling in this next programme | 0:12:54 | 0:12:58 | |
which followed the making of another of Lean's epics, | 0:12:58 | 0:13:01 | |
Doctor Zhivago, in 1965. | 0:13:01 | 0:13:04 | |
How's that for you? | 0:13:06 | 0:13:08 | |
Good. Now go to you sitting, Omar. | 0:13:08 | 0:13:11 | |
'He's a man who is very easy to hate. | 0:13:14 | 0:13:17 | |
'In other words, it is very easy to hate David | 0:13:17 | 0:13:20 | |
'and very difficult to like him.' | 0:13:20 | 0:13:21 | |
He is a very hard man, | 0:13:21 | 0:13:24 | |
a very selfish man who has no pity for anyone | 0:13:24 | 0:13:28 | |
and none for himself either, which is a very rare thing. | 0:13:28 | 0:13:33 | |
He has no self pity and no self-indulgence. | 0:13:33 | 0:13:38 | |
Therefore, it's very difficult for him to pity anybody else | 0:13:38 | 0:13:42 | |
or to feel sorry for anybody however tired they may be. | 0:13:42 | 0:13:45 | |
He considers everybody on the set, | 0:13:46 | 0:13:48 | |
everybody who's helping to make the film, | 0:13:48 | 0:13:52 | |
as objects rather than as people. | 0:13:52 | 0:13:55 | |
They are the things that are making his film. | 0:13:55 | 0:13:58 | |
And, well, you can see how easy it is, | 0:13:59 | 0:14:02 | |
if you think that he is considering you as an object, | 0:14:02 | 0:14:06 | |
how easy it is to be terribly unhappy and rather hate him for it. | 0:14:06 | 0:14:10 | |
I know that I have, | 0:14:10 | 0:14:11 | |
at the end of many days shooting, felt terrible hate for him. | 0:14:11 | 0:14:15 | |
And I know, for instance, most of the people who have worked with him | 0:14:16 | 0:14:19 | |
and who work with him | 0:14:19 | 0:14:21 | |
rather dislike him | 0:14:21 | 0:14:23 | |
because he drives them too hard and he uses them. | 0:14:23 | 0:14:26 | |
Now the 64,000 question, of course, was who played Zhivago. | 0:14:26 | 0:14:32 | |
Now, Zhivago is a very passive part | 0:14:33 | 0:14:36 | |
and I think it would be... It needs a poet. | 0:14:36 | 0:14:38 | |
And a doctor. | 0:14:39 | 0:14:41 | |
But the fatal pitfall, I think, | 0:14:41 | 0:14:43 | |
would have been to cast too much with the type. | 0:14:43 | 0:14:47 | |
If I'd had a very studious young man, | 0:14:47 | 0:14:51 | |
I think he'd tend to be a bore in the picture | 0:14:51 | 0:14:53 | |
and so, I thought, "I will go for immense good looks." | 0:14:53 | 0:14:59 | |
And I thought of Omar | 0:14:59 | 0:15:01 | |
because he played the sheikh in Lawrence who came out of the mirage. | 0:15:01 | 0:15:06 | |
He's a very sensitive actor. | 0:15:06 | 0:15:09 | |
And, uh, we happen to work very well together. | 0:15:09 | 0:15:13 | |
He catches on and I think it works | 0:15:13 | 0:15:17 | |
and I thought I could get... | 0:15:17 | 0:15:20 | |
..this Russian poet out of him. | 0:15:21 | 0:15:24 | |
And I backed that hunch. A lot of people thought I was mad. | 0:15:24 | 0:15:27 | |
'He never loses his temper. | 0:15:27 | 0:15:28 | |
'I've very rarely seen him lose his temper. | 0:15:28 | 0:15:30 | |
'He just more or less seems to be at the same pitch sometimes. | 0:15:30 | 0:15:33 | |
'Terribly worried, obviously, but more or less at the same pitch. | 0:15:33 | 0:15:37 | |
'But he's certainly intimate. | 0:15:37 | 0:15:39 | |
'Not a man, but I mean, a director, very intimate.' | 0:15:39 | 0:15:43 | |
I don't know him socially. | 0:15:43 | 0:15:46 | |
I only know him as a director. | 0:15:46 | 0:15:48 | |
Because he's very quiet, retiring. | 0:15:48 | 0:15:52 | |
Leads a very retiring life, as far as I can see. | 0:15:52 | 0:15:54 | |
I mean, I don't know him, | 0:15:54 | 0:15:55 | |
he might be up every night boozing away, but I don't think so. | 0:15:55 | 0:15:58 | |
'He takes you away and sort of quietly talks to you | 0:15:58 | 0:16:00 | |
'about exactly what he wants and then he'll say to everybody, | 0:16:00 | 0:16:03 | |
'"Now, shut up and go away and leave."' | 0:16:03 | 0:16:05 | |
Thousands of coppers at the back... Get them all out. | 0:16:05 | 0:16:09 | |
You know, all of the wanderers, all of them - out. | 0:16:14 | 0:16:17 | |
Now, very quiet! Silencio! | 0:16:19 | 0:16:21 | |
All right, Omar... Action. | 0:16:33 | 0:16:36 | |
I suppose I don't have much contact with actors off the set | 0:16:36 | 0:16:38 | |
because I have so much contact with them on the set. | 0:16:38 | 0:16:43 | |
I'm, as it were... | 0:16:43 | 0:16:45 | |
trying to get things out of them. | 0:16:45 | 0:16:48 | |
I'm squeezing them a little, I'm encouraging them, I'm... | 0:16:48 | 0:16:53 | |
..a general sort of wetness to actors. | 0:16:54 | 0:16:57 | |
And I suppose when the day's finished, | 0:16:57 | 0:17:01 | |
they are part of my job and I want to go off and relax without them. | 0:17:01 | 0:17:04 | |
In a couple of weeks you'll be with your little girl. | 0:17:12 | 0:17:15 | |
If I can get on a train. | 0:17:15 | 0:17:16 | |
I want to be with Katya more than anything in the world. | 0:17:19 | 0:17:22 | |
Yes, of course. | 0:17:23 | 0:17:24 | |
Now that we're going, I feel sad. | 0:17:25 | 0:17:27 | |
Sad. | 0:17:29 | 0:17:30 | |
Really sad. | 0:17:32 | 0:17:33 | |
-Well, we've been here some time. -Yes. | 0:17:33 | 0:17:35 | |
This must have been a lovely house once. | 0:17:38 | 0:17:40 | |
-Don't you think? -What are you going to do? | 0:17:42 | 0:17:44 | |
-In Gradov? -Yes. | 0:17:45 | 0:17:47 | |
-I'll be all right. -I wish I could think so. | 0:17:48 | 0:17:51 | |
You could run a laundry. | 0:17:57 | 0:17:58 | |
-What will you do? -I suppose I'll go back to the hospital. | 0:18:00 | 0:18:03 | |
It's funny to think of you there. | 0:18:05 | 0:18:07 | |
I used to pass it on my way to school. | 0:18:10 | 0:18:12 | |
-You ever come to Moscow? -From Gradov? | 0:18:14 | 0:18:17 | |
If only there was someone to look after you. | 0:18:18 | 0:18:21 | |
But of course if there were, I'd be destroyed by jealousy. | 0:18:21 | 0:18:23 | |
Zhivago, don't. | 0:18:24 | 0:18:25 | |
My dear, don't, please. | 0:18:29 | 0:18:32 | |
Now, look what you've made me do. | 0:18:38 | 0:18:40 | |
Yuri, we've been together six months... | 0:18:46 | 0:18:49 | |
On the road and here. | 0:18:49 | 0:18:51 | |
And we've not done anything you'll have to lie about to Tonya. | 0:18:51 | 0:18:54 | |
I don't want you to have to lie about me. | 0:18:56 | 0:18:58 | |
Do you understand that, Yuri? | 0:19:00 | 0:19:01 | |
You understand everything. | 0:19:05 | 0:19:06 | |
MGM welcomed Lean's decision to film the bulk of Doctor Zhivago in Spain, | 0:19:29 | 0:19:34 | |
a country that hasn't yet priced itself out of the epic market. | 0:19:34 | 0:19:38 | |
Lean was able to hire local extras at nine shillings a day. | 0:19:38 | 0:19:42 | |
A stunt horseman cost a tenth of what they would in Britain. | 0:19:42 | 0:19:45 | |
Lean needed snow, hundreds of tonnes of it, | 0:19:45 | 0:19:49 | |
so the entire output of a local marble quarry was bought | 0:19:49 | 0:19:52 | |
and crushed into white powder | 0:19:52 | 0:19:54 | |
which was scattered over this Spanish plain in high summer | 0:19:54 | 0:19:57 | |
to recreate Russia in midwinter. | 0:19:57 | 0:20:00 | |
A forest of trees was sprayed with white plastic snow. | 0:20:06 | 0:20:09 | |
He needed a cold winter mist, | 0:20:40 | 0:20:43 | |
so 100 German smoke machines were brought in to do the job. | 0:20:43 | 0:20:46 | |
It all looked expensive | 0:20:48 | 0:20:49 | |
and would have been anywhere else in the world, but this was Spain. | 0:20:49 | 0:20:53 | |
In all, this set cost just £2,000 to erect. | 0:20:53 | 0:20:56 | |
INDISTINCT YELLING | 0:21:00 | 0:21:03 | |
-Lean was hard at work. -Omar can do it. | 0:21:05 | 0:21:08 | |
'Yesterday I was out on a country road with 400 soldiers and a cart. | 0:21:11 | 0:21:18 | |
'Now, I had to make a scene out of 400 soldiers and a cart. | 0:21:18 | 0:21:22 | |
'It's not all that easy. It takes time. | 0:21:22 | 0:21:24 | |
'But once I've decided on the plan, we're off and we shoot fast. | 0:21:24 | 0:21:28 | |
'And that's it. | 0:21:30 | 0:21:31 | |
'And of course, there's this awful pressure of money all the time | 0:21:31 | 0:21:34 | |
'which if I thought about it too much, it would drive me insane. | 0:21:34 | 0:21:37 | |
'I always imagine if I'm not careful, of some ghastly fruit machine | 0:21:37 | 0:21:41 | |
'with dollars clicking through it | 0:21:41 | 0:21:43 | |
'and spilling onto the floor every second.' | 0:21:43 | 0:21:45 | |
Action! | 0:21:45 | 0:21:46 | |
Try it again. | 0:21:49 | 0:21:51 | |
With two thirds of the film shot, | 0:21:51 | 0:21:53 | |
it became clear to MGM that Lean might present them | 0:21:53 | 0:21:56 | |
not only with a box-office success, | 0:21:56 | 0:21:58 | |
but with a film that could win an Academy Award. | 0:21:58 | 0:22:01 | |
And an Oscar could be worth 5 million at the box office. | 0:22:01 | 0:22:04 | |
Open the doors, turn on the fans. | 0:22:17 | 0:22:19 | |
Open the doors and turn the fans on, boys. | 0:22:19 | 0:22:21 | |
TANNOY IN SPANISH | 0:22:23 | 0:22:26 | |
The pace was stepped up to complete the picture | 0:22:32 | 0:22:35 | |
before the end of the year | 0:22:35 | 0:22:36 | |
and so qualify for the next awards. | 0:22:36 | 0:22:38 | |
By this time, Lean himself was working 16 or 18 hours a day, | 0:22:42 | 0:22:46 | |
seven days a week. | 0:22:46 | 0:22:47 | |
You generally lose, oh, I don't know, about two stone during the picture. | 0:22:56 | 0:23:01 | |
One's tummy goes. | 0:23:01 | 0:23:03 | |
One's in great physical shape | 0:23:03 | 0:23:04 | |
and after about a week of getting up at 11, one feels fine. | 0:23:04 | 0:23:09 | |
But it's a pretty killing job. | 0:23:09 | 0:23:13 | |
I haven't had a Sunday off, for instance, | 0:23:13 | 0:23:16 | |
for as long as I can remember. | 0:23:16 | 0:23:17 | |
I go into the cutting rooms... | 0:23:17 | 0:23:20 | |
when the unit have a Sunday off. | 0:23:20 | 0:23:23 | |
It's pretty tough but I get very excited by making a movie. | 0:23:23 | 0:23:27 | |
I suppose it's kind of nervous energy. | 0:23:29 | 0:23:31 | |
I'm tired now, as I said to you before, | 0:23:31 | 0:23:35 | |
but I suppose the nerve of that infernal machine wakes me up. | 0:23:35 | 0:23:40 | |
At the end of September, Lean's camera turned for the last time. | 0:23:42 | 0:23:46 | |
The studio lights went out, the props were taken away, | 0:23:46 | 0:23:49 | |
the actors went home to Hollywood, Cairo, Rome and London. | 0:23:49 | 0:23:54 | |
The technicians cleared up | 0:23:54 | 0:23:55 | |
and then they too went home Penge, Pinner, Braintree and Horsham. | 0:23:55 | 0:24:00 | |
Everybody was happy. The deadline for the Oscars had been met. | 0:24:00 | 0:24:04 | |
Shortly after everybody had left, | 0:24:13 | 0:24:15 | |
the first advertisement for the film appeared. | 0:24:15 | 0:24:18 | |
MGM had done what they said they would. | 0:24:18 | 0:24:20 | |
David Lean was given the star billing. | 0:24:20 | 0:24:23 | |
But there was still a lot of work for Lean. | 0:24:26 | 0:24:29 | |
He was to fly to Hollywood to edit the picture there, | 0:24:29 | 0:24:32 | |
but the most difficult phase was over. | 0:24:32 | 0:24:34 | |
'I remember I used to go when I was young on a lot of cruises. | 0:24:37 | 0:24:42 | |
'They lasted about two weeks, and at the end of them | 0:24:42 | 0:24:45 | |
'it was rather sad because we made all sorts of friendships | 0:24:45 | 0:24:48 | |
'and so forth and so on. There was a last farewell dinner, etc, etc. | 0:24:48 | 0:24:52 | |
'Rather sad. | 0:24:52 | 0:24:54 | |
'It's exactly the same with making a film. | 0:24:54 | 0:24:57 | |
'But my cruise lasts a year and I work day in, day out | 0:24:57 | 0:25:03 | |
'with these technicians who obviously I've become very fond of | 0:25:03 | 0:25:07 | |
'we work very, very close together. | 0:25:07 | 0:25:09 | |
'And at the end of it... | 0:25:09 | 0:25:10 | |
'..the bottom falls out of everything in a way. | 0:25:12 | 0:25:14 | |
'One's suddenly at a loose end. One thing is good, though. | 0:25:14 | 0:25:19 | |
'It's glorious to be anonymous for a moment.' | 0:25:19 | 0:25:22 | |
Perhaps this time it won't be so easy to be anonymous. | 0:25:22 | 0:25:26 | |
Not so easy to slip away out of the limelight | 0:25:26 | 0:25:28 | |
and become an ordinary, unrecognised tourist. | 0:25:28 | 0:25:31 | |
MGM are creating an image. A box office draw. | 0:25:31 | 0:25:35 | |
From now on, David Lean will have to live with that image all the time. | 0:25:35 | 0:25:39 | |
After three consecutive epics and three big international hits, | 0:25:40 | 0:25:45 | |
expectations were high for Lean's next film. | 0:25:45 | 0:25:48 | |
Although it won two Oscars, | 0:25:49 | 0:25:51 | |
the critics reaction to Ryan's Daughter | 0:25:51 | 0:25:54 | |
was so negative that it was 14 years before Lean released another film. | 0:25:54 | 0:25:58 | |
And that was his adaptation of the EM Forster novel, | 0:25:59 | 0:26:02 | |
A Passage To India. | 0:26:02 | 0:26:04 | |
And whilst on location, | 0:26:04 | 0:26:06 | |
Lean spoke about the project to the BBC reporter, Mark Tully. | 0:26:06 | 0:26:10 | |
Forster mistrusted movie-makers. | 0:26:12 | 0:26:14 | |
The film rights were only sold after his death. | 0:26:14 | 0:26:17 | |
Lean then spent 18 months writing his script | 0:26:17 | 0:26:20 | |
and had to be vetted by the guardians of Forster's masterpiece, | 0:26:20 | 0:26:24 | |
the fellows of King's College, Cambridge. | 0:26:24 | 0:26:26 | |
I did the script and they were very polite | 0:26:27 | 0:26:31 | |
and they asked me to come along, after having read it, for lunch. | 0:26:31 | 0:26:35 | |
I was just about to start on the fish and they started in on me | 0:26:38 | 0:26:42 | |
and I said, "I'd wish you had waited till the sweet." | 0:26:42 | 0:26:47 | |
They... | 0:26:47 | 0:26:48 | |
They were very, very nice indeed. | 0:26:49 | 0:26:53 | |
After about two hours, they were very kind and just gave it their blessing. | 0:26:53 | 0:26:58 | |
How much difference is there between Lean's Passage To India | 0:26:58 | 0:27:01 | |
and Forster's Passage To India? | 0:27:01 | 0:27:03 | |
He's a writer, I'm a film-maker. I like movies. | 0:27:04 | 0:27:08 | |
I've tried to make it a movie that I would like to see. | 0:27:08 | 0:27:11 | |
The end is different, certainly. | 0:27:11 | 0:27:14 | |
But I think I wouldn't be ashamed for Forster to read the script. | 0:27:14 | 0:27:20 | |
I think I stuck with his characters and, on the whole, | 0:27:20 | 0:27:24 | |
given the limitations of time, I mean, what's one doing? | 0:27:24 | 0:27:27 | |
One's doing something in two hours with a book that thick. | 0:27:27 | 0:27:31 | |
It's a sort of sketch of it and I'm extracting a movie from it. | 0:27:31 | 0:27:35 | |
Those who... | 0:27:35 | 0:27:36 | |
..want to read Forster, read the book. | 0:27:37 | 0:27:40 | |
Those that want to go to a movie and don't read, come see our film. | 0:27:40 | 0:27:45 | |
Poor old English, they've had a rough time in the films lately. | 0:27:45 | 0:27:48 | |
And, uh... | 0:27:49 | 0:27:51 | |
It's because, of course, colonialism has gone out of fashion, | 0:27:52 | 0:27:55 | |
so it's quite easy to take pot shots of a lot of idiots, | 0:27:55 | 0:27:59 | |
-stuffy idiots, you know? -Yes. | 0:27:59 | 0:28:00 | |
And, uh... | 0:28:00 | 0:28:02 | |
..quite honestly, I think Forster did that too. | 0:28:03 | 0:28:06 | |
And I think he felt a bit guilty about it. | 0:28:06 | 0:28:07 | |
I mean, he certainly had a blast with it when the book came out. | 0:28:07 | 0:28:11 | |
And I'm trying to keep a balance. I don't know. | 0:28:11 | 0:28:14 | |
I'm trying to tell a good story. That's really what I'm trying to do. | 0:28:14 | 0:28:17 | |
Helping to tell the story is an army from England. | 0:28:21 | 0:28:25 | |
They even imported much of their own food, | 0:28:25 | 0:28:27 | |
including kippers for breakfast. | 0:28:27 | 0:28:29 | |
But meals aren't the production's only administrative problem. | 0:28:31 | 0:28:35 | |
Perhaps the worst is India's notorious red tape. | 0:28:35 | 0:28:38 | |
I took my first baptism of... | 0:28:40 | 0:28:43 | |
I was going through the customs, you know, | 0:28:43 | 0:28:45 | |
it takes about two and half hours to get through the customs | 0:28:45 | 0:28:48 | |
if you've got any apparatus as you no doubt know with that thing. | 0:28:48 | 0:28:52 | |
They look at every lens... | 0:28:52 | 0:28:54 | |
-"Are you going to sell this?" -Yes. -"How much film have you got? | 0:28:54 | 0:28:59 | |
"Are you going to sell it?" "No, I wouldn't have bought it to sell it." | 0:28:59 | 0:29:03 | |
And so forth and so on, and after two hours, one hates the country. | 0:29:03 | 0:29:06 | |
Then of course, it's wonderful. | 0:29:06 | 0:29:08 | |
You have certain problems still with the government. | 0:29:08 | 0:29:11 | |
For instance, you still have to have someone here checking | 0:29:11 | 0:29:13 | |
that you're shooting according to the script. Does that annoy you? | 0:29:13 | 0:29:16 | |
They've been very good to me. | 0:29:19 | 0:29:20 | |
Indians have been so kind, they've even allowed the production | 0:29:25 | 0:29:28 | |
to monopolise the branch line from Kannur to Ooty. | 0:29:28 | 0:29:31 | |
At 75, Lean's as demanding as ever, | 0:29:34 | 0:29:36 | |
taking and retaking scenes until he gets what he wants. | 0:29:36 | 0:29:39 | |
That's good, that hat. | 0:29:39 | 0:29:42 | |
That costs, but then producers can't argue with a man | 0:29:42 | 0:29:45 | |
whose last four films grossed £120 million, not to mention the Oscars. | 0:29:45 | 0:29:50 | |
But not everyone appreciates the Lean style. | 0:29:52 | 0:29:54 | |
It's often said that as a director you are, in a way, | 0:29:56 | 0:30:00 | |
more concerned with visual than with the performance of the actors. | 0:30:00 | 0:30:04 | |
Balls. | 0:30:05 | 0:30:07 | |
I like spectacle. | 0:30:07 | 0:30:09 | |
When I say spectacle, I don't think you can just put on | 0:30:09 | 0:30:13 | |
a load of spectacle and expect it to be successful with the public. | 0:30:13 | 0:30:18 | |
Of course you've got to have a foreground action. | 0:30:18 | 0:30:21 | |
It's often easy for critics to say, | 0:30:21 | 0:30:23 | |
"Oh, the action...the background swamped the foreground." | 0:30:23 | 0:30:27 | |
But I don't think I've done that. | 0:30:28 | 0:30:31 | |
And you found the public react... | 0:30:31 | 0:30:33 | |
the people who go see your films, react to the spectacular? | 0:30:33 | 0:30:36 | |
Well, I haven't done badly, no. | 0:30:37 | 0:30:39 | |
Passage To India was an international sensation. | 0:30:39 | 0:30:44 | |
Described as one of the cinema's greatest ever screen adaptations. | 0:30:44 | 0:30:48 | |
In 1984, the year of its release, | 0:30:48 | 0:30:51 | |
Lean was knighted by the Queen for his services to the cinema. | 0:30:51 | 0:30:55 | |
Four years later, the great man's 80th birthday | 0:30:55 | 0:30:59 | |
was marked by Barry Norman with a special edition of Film 88. | 0:30:59 | 0:31:03 | |
How important was it to have been an editor | 0:31:05 | 0:31:07 | |
when you finally became a director? | 0:31:07 | 0:31:09 | |
It's everything. | 0:31:10 | 0:31:11 | |
You know, I often wonder at directors who've never been editors. | 0:31:12 | 0:31:17 | |
-Because... -Me too. -Oh, really? Well, it's right. | 0:31:17 | 0:31:21 | |
I just don't understand how they go to work because I'm sitting there | 0:31:21 | 0:31:25 | |
and if I'm directing you, I'm saying, "Good, good, good," to myself. | 0:31:25 | 0:31:29 | |
"I can cut the two shot there. | 0:31:29 | 0:31:31 | |
"I have to retake that in the close up. | 0:31:31 | 0:31:34 | |
"Mm-hm. Mm-hm. That'll be good on him." | 0:31:34 | 0:31:37 | |
And so forth. "Right, cut! Now let's go again. | 0:31:37 | 0:31:40 | |
"One more take," and that sort of thing, you know? | 0:31:40 | 0:31:44 | |
I kind of piece it together as we're making it. | 0:31:44 | 0:31:49 | |
And editing is one of the... | 0:31:50 | 0:31:52 | |
..if not THE chief of the tools of my trade. | 0:31:54 | 0:31:59 | |
An immensely successful film and another Oscar for you. | 0:31:59 | 0:32:02 | |
How important do you think Oscars are? | 0:32:02 | 0:32:04 | |
Well, if you have no hope of getting one, they are despised. | 0:32:06 | 0:32:09 | |
But if you have, they're very important. | 0:32:09 | 0:32:12 | |
-That's very honest, I must say. It's easy to... -It's very nice. | 0:32:12 | 0:32:16 | |
Yes, it's easy to despise them if you're not in the running, isn't it? | 0:32:16 | 0:32:19 | |
That's right. | 0:32:19 | 0:32:20 | |
Of course with your next film, Doctor Zhivago, | 0:32:20 | 0:32:22 | |
you very nearly did the hat trick. You were nominated yet again. | 0:32:22 | 0:32:25 | |
But on that one, you lost out the best picture | 0:32:25 | 0:32:27 | |
to Sound Of Music, I believe. Was that a little galling? | 0:32:27 | 0:32:30 | |
Oh, terribly, you know. | 0:32:33 | 0:32:34 | |
Yes, but, you know, I'll tell you what killed us... | 0:32:34 | 0:32:38 | |
Doctor Zhivago got the most terrible notices. Worldwide. | 0:32:38 | 0:32:43 | |
I remember the premiere in New York. | 0:32:45 | 0:32:47 | |
They gave a dinner at the top of one of the big hotels there and... | 0:32:47 | 0:32:50 | |
I said, "Why are they all reading newspapers?" | 0:32:52 | 0:32:54 | |
They said, "Well, the criticism are coming." | 0:32:54 | 0:32:56 | |
Everyone was sitting around the table reading the newspapers. | 0:32:56 | 0:32:58 | |
At the end of the dinner, they all came and sort of shook my hand | 0:32:58 | 0:33:02 | |
and said, "Well, David, I liked it." That sort of thing. | 0:33:02 | 0:33:06 | |
That did nothing to help the film. | 0:33:08 | 0:33:11 | |
It was disaster and MGM then had a marvellous chap | 0:33:11 | 0:33:15 | |
called Bob O'Brien who was the boss. | 0:33:15 | 0:33:19 | |
And he said, "David..." | 0:33:19 | 0:33:21 | |
He said, "I think this film's great. I'm going to back it." | 0:33:21 | 0:33:24 | |
And he said, "I'm going to spend another million." | 0:33:26 | 0:33:28 | |
And he spent a million on publicity, | 0:33:28 | 0:33:32 | |
and partly on keeping it on at the theatre | 0:33:32 | 0:33:35 | |
where you can throw rocks around without loss of life. | 0:33:35 | 0:33:38 | |
And it... | 0:33:38 | 0:33:41 | |
First week empty, second week empty, third week started... | 0:33:41 | 0:33:46 | |
to increase. And the fourth week it was packed. | 0:33:46 | 0:33:48 | |
And we took off, and that film earned me more money | 0:33:48 | 0:33:52 | |
than all of my other films put together to date. | 0:33:52 | 0:33:55 | |
Well, it's had an enduring popularity, that film, hasn't it? | 0:33:55 | 0:33:59 | |
What do you think it was that gave it that? | 0:33:59 | 0:34:02 | |
Well, it was your old thing I was listening to a couple of weeks ago. | 0:34:02 | 0:34:05 | |
Story. It's a wonderful story, isn't it? | 0:34:05 | 0:34:08 | |
-Yes, it is, yes. -Ah, wonderful. | 0:34:08 | 0:34:10 | |
And you don't... You want to know what happens next. | 0:34:10 | 0:34:12 | |
And wonderful characters, you know? | 0:34:12 | 0:34:14 | |
And Julie. | 0:34:16 | 0:34:17 | |
Which was quite a face. | 0:34:17 | 0:34:19 | |
I was amazed that, what, for 14 years after Ryan's Daughter, | 0:34:19 | 0:34:22 | |
you never made another film. Why? Why not? | 0:34:22 | 0:34:25 | |
Was it because it got such a bad review, or bad reviews? | 0:34:25 | 0:34:29 | |
Well, I was very stupid as a matter of fact. | 0:34:29 | 0:34:32 | |
I thought why... They were universal... | 0:34:33 | 0:34:35 | |
I don't think there was one good notice for Ryan's Daughter. | 0:34:35 | 0:34:39 | |
Really, not one. | 0:34:39 | 0:34:41 | |
And I thought, "Why am I doing this?" | 0:34:41 | 0:34:43 | |
You know, rather stupidly, and I went off and I started travelling. | 0:34:43 | 0:34:47 | |
In the end, it was EM Forster's novel about the British Raj, | 0:34:47 | 0:34:50 | |
A Passage To India, that brought Lean back to work at the age of 76. | 0:34:50 | 0:34:54 | |
Although in the intervening years, | 0:34:54 | 0:34:56 | |
he had spent a great deal of time trying and failing | 0:34:56 | 0:34:58 | |
to set-up productions of both The Bounty and Gandhi. | 0:34:58 | 0:35:01 | |
Were you pleased with A Passage To India in the end? | 0:35:08 | 0:35:10 | |
Sort of. | 0:35:13 | 0:35:14 | |
A lot of people criticised your choice of Alec Guinness | 0:35:14 | 0:35:17 | |
to play an Indian. | 0:35:17 | 0:35:18 | |
Would you... With hindsight, would you do that again? | 0:35:18 | 0:35:21 | |
I don't think really it's the... | 0:35:23 | 0:35:25 | |
I think Alec could perfectly well have played an Indian. | 0:35:25 | 0:35:29 | |
I think he got scared of it. | 0:35:29 | 0:35:30 | |
And I remember him saying to me once, | 0:35:32 | 0:35:35 | |
"I think you're asking me to play... give an imitation of Peter Sellers." | 0:35:35 | 0:35:40 | |
Which, in fact, I wasn't. | 0:35:40 | 0:35:42 | |
-It would have been disastrous, wouldn't it? -It would rather. | 0:35:42 | 0:35:45 | |
And, um... | 0:35:45 | 0:35:46 | |
So I don't think that was one of his best performances, no. | 0:35:48 | 0:35:51 | |
In simple terms, Miss Quested, life is a wheel with many spokes. | 0:35:52 | 0:35:57 | |
A continuous cycle of life, birth, death, and rebirth, | 0:35:57 | 0:36:02 | |
until we obtain nirvana. | 0:36:02 | 0:36:04 | |
I have contrived a dance based on this philosophy. | 0:36:06 | 0:36:09 | |
-Do you dance, professor? -Oh, yes. | 0:36:09 | 0:36:11 | |
Adela. | 0:36:11 | 0:36:13 | |
Oh, Ronny, you're early. Let me introduce to you, Professor Godbole. | 0:36:13 | 0:36:16 | |
-And this...and that's... -What's happened to Fielding? | 0:36:16 | 0:36:18 | |
Where's my mother? | 0:36:18 | 0:36:20 | |
And what on earth are you doing? | 0:36:20 | 0:36:22 | |
Well, they're seeing college and we're eating water chestnuts. | 0:36:22 | 0:36:24 | |
-Have one. -No, thank you. We're leaving at once. | 0:36:24 | 0:36:27 | |
You have been criticised by people who say that your films | 0:36:27 | 0:36:31 | |
don't actually say a lot, by which I imagine | 0:36:31 | 0:36:34 | |
that they have no message for mankind. | 0:36:34 | 0:36:38 | |
Is this a criticism that irks you at all? | 0:36:38 | 0:36:41 | |
No, not at all. | 0:36:41 | 0:36:42 | |
What are you looking for when you make a film? What do you want to do? | 0:36:42 | 0:36:45 | |
I want to make something that if I went to the cinema, | 0:36:48 | 0:36:51 | |
and wasn't me, I would enjoy watching. | 0:36:51 | 0:36:53 | |
I just, as I told you, I just love movies, | 0:36:54 | 0:36:58 | |
and I would like to make good movies. | 0:36:58 | 0:37:01 | |
I think part of making a good movie, | 0:37:01 | 0:37:04 | |
or the greater part of it, | 0:37:04 | 0:37:05 | |
is a good story which I know is out of fashion. | 0:37:05 | 0:37:07 | |
And good characters. | 0:37:09 | 0:37:11 | |
I mean, in the old days when one went to the movies, | 0:37:11 | 0:37:15 | |
one used to feel one had been out and met some fascinating people. | 0:37:15 | 0:37:20 | |
I saw the other day The Untouchables on an aeroplane | 0:37:20 | 0:37:23 | |
and to be quite honest... | 0:37:23 | 0:37:25 | |
And... | 0:37:26 | 0:37:28 | |
I didn't really like it at all. | 0:37:28 | 0:37:30 | |
You know, for somebody who says, and indeed I believe you, | 0:37:31 | 0:37:35 | |
that you love making movies, you've made very few. | 0:37:35 | 0:37:37 | |
16 films and 46 years, I think. Why is that? | 0:37:37 | 0:37:41 | |
Oh, it scares me stiff. You know, I suppose... | 0:37:42 | 0:37:46 | |
Mm... | 0:37:46 | 0:37:47 | |
If I take on a movie, | 0:37:49 | 0:37:51 | |
I want, terribly, to do it frightfully well. | 0:37:51 | 0:37:55 | |
So therefore, one's got to have a very, very good script. | 0:37:55 | 0:38:01 | |
So I spend an inordinate amount of time choosing the subject | 0:38:01 | 0:38:05 | |
and then working on the script. | 0:38:05 | 0:38:07 | |
And... I suppose it's fear, really, to put your foot in the water. | 0:38:08 | 0:38:13 | |
After all this time and a couple of Oscars and several nominations, | 0:38:14 | 0:38:19 | |
I would've thought you could've done without the fear. | 0:38:19 | 0:38:21 | |
You could've got rid of that by now. | 0:38:21 | 0:38:23 | |
It doesn't work like that, does it? Do you ever get... | 0:38:23 | 0:38:26 | |
-Do you ever get nervous when... -All the time. | 0:38:26 | 0:38:28 | |
..when you're doing this job? | 0:38:28 | 0:38:30 | |
You do, yes. Well, there you are, that's the answer. | 0:38:30 | 0:38:33 | |
It's a sort of... It's a difficult job. | 0:38:33 | 0:38:36 | |
I mean... | 0:38:36 | 0:38:37 | |
I feel fairly at home with you here | 0:38:37 | 0:38:39 | |
because I sort of feel in my element too. | 0:38:39 | 0:38:42 | |
I know you write movies but when you see that eye boring into you, | 0:38:42 | 0:38:48 | |
it is difficult. | 0:38:48 | 0:38:49 | |
And in this minute my lips are rather dry. | 0:38:49 | 0:38:53 | |
-Very difficult. -Yes, it's hard to reconcile with another criticism. | 0:38:53 | 0:38:57 | |
I've been looking into your critics. | 0:38:57 | 0:39:00 | |
One of them said that you have a dictatorial urge to control | 0:39:00 | 0:39:03 | |
every aspect of the film when you're making it. | 0:39:03 | 0:39:07 | |
Would you disagree, you might possibly disagree with dictatorial, | 0:39:07 | 0:39:10 | |
but would you disagree with any of the rest of it? | 0:39:10 | 0:39:12 | |
Or would you disagree with none of it? | 0:39:12 | 0:39:14 | |
I do like to keep a close hold on everything. | 0:39:16 | 0:39:22 | |
I think that's what being a director is. | 0:39:22 | 0:39:26 | |
He's... | 0:39:26 | 0:39:27 | |
..encouraging a talent, | 0:39:28 | 0:39:30 | |
encouraging things that he saw in the negative, in his mind, | 0:39:30 | 0:39:35 | |
when he was doing the script, | 0:39:35 | 0:39:38 | |
and suppressing things that seem to go against it. | 0:39:38 | 0:39:42 | |
And so, in that sort of way, I'm a kind of gentle dictator. | 0:39:42 | 0:39:46 | |
As things turned out, | 0:39:47 | 0:39:49 | |
A Passage To India would be Lean's last picture, | 0:39:49 | 0:39:52 | |
which was not how he wanted things. | 0:39:52 | 0:39:55 | |
He spent his final years trying hard to put together | 0:39:55 | 0:39:59 | |
an adaptation of Joseph Conrad's novel, Nostromo. | 0:39:59 | 0:40:03 | |
But it was not to be, | 0:40:03 | 0:40:04 | |
and in 1991 when he died, aged 83. | 0:40:04 | 0:40:09 | |
Eulogy spoke of his towering visual imagination | 0:40:09 | 0:40:12 | |
and incredible ambition. | 0:40:12 | 0:40:14 | |
At the turn of the millennium, | 0:40:16 | 0:40:17 | |
the BFI's list of the 100 best British movies ever made | 0:40:17 | 0:40:22 | |
had three of his in the top five. | 0:40:22 | 0:40:26 | |
Proof, if it were needed, that just like his films, | 0:40:26 | 0:40:30 | |
the man's talent was truly epic. | 0:40:30 | 0:40:33 |