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He became a national icon playing one of the most loved | 0:00:02 | 0:00:04 | |
but put-upon characters in British comedy. | 0:00:04 | 0:00:07 | |
Afternoon! | 0:00:10 | 0:00:12 | |
Well, it was amazing to see Richard become so successful. | 0:00:12 | 0:00:17 | |
When I met him, I'm pretty sure he was living in one room. | 0:00:17 | 0:00:22 | |
Bloody hell! I do not believe it! | 0:00:22 | 0:00:25 | |
Before this startling elevation, he'd enjoyed a near faultless 30-year career as a character actor, | 0:00:28 | 0:00:34 | |
a regular face in film, theatre and television. | 0:00:34 | 0:00:39 | |
I intend to preserve and protect those values I hold most dear - the simple values of human dignity... | 0:00:39 | 0:00:44 | |
I immediately was struck by him and immediately found him a very funny actor. | 0:00:46 | 0:00:49 | |
But he's not just an actor. | 0:00:49 | 0:00:52 | |
He's a distinguished and inspiring director of gritty and challenging productions. | 0:00:52 | 0:00:56 | |
He is probably the busiest person I know. | 0:00:58 | 0:01:01 | |
He's extraordinary. He literally goes from one project to the next, to the next, to the next. | 0:01:01 | 0:01:05 | |
Today he continues to be one of the most bankable names in British television, | 0:01:05 | 0:01:11 | |
and his huge success hasn't diminished his relentless desire to work. | 0:01:11 | 0:01:15 | |
A lot of people say to me, "Why are you still acting?" | 0:01:15 | 0:01:19 | |
I say, "Because I enjoy it, (a), and (b) I'm still learning. | 0:01:21 | 0:01:28 | |
These are the many faces of Richard Wilson. | 0:01:28 | 0:01:32 | |
Thank you very much. | 0:01:45 | 0:01:47 | |
By the age of 54, Richard Wilson had | 0:01:47 | 0:01:49 | |
built a significant body of work, both as an actor and as a director. | 0:01:49 | 0:01:53 | |
But in 1990, cast in a major new BBC sitcom, he was about to experience a profound change in his life. | 0:01:53 | 0:02:02 | |
DOORBELL RINGS | 0:02:02 | 0:02:05 | |
HE HUMS | 0:02:05 | 0:02:07 | |
-Good morning! -Goodbye! | 0:02:09 | 0:02:11 | |
I think it's an inspirational story for actors. | 0:02:13 | 0:02:16 | |
He was very well established, very happy, had a good career, and then suddenly he went off into... | 0:02:16 | 0:02:25 | |
into space! | 0:02:25 | 0:02:27 | |
I've never in all my life known such shoddy bloody... | 0:02:27 | 0:02:33 | |
Oi, you - Superman's grandad! | 0:02:33 | 0:02:35 | |
One Foot In The Grave had a huge impact in Britain and beyond, | 0:02:37 | 0:02:41 | |
and the character of Victor Meldrew became an unlikely cultural icon. | 0:02:41 | 0:02:46 | |
Richard Wilson was catapulted into the cauldron of British public life. | 0:02:46 | 0:02:50 | |
And the winner is... Oh, good. | 0:02:50 | 0:02:53 | |
Richard Wilson, One Foot In The Grave. | 0:02:53 | 0:02:55 | |
I mean, I love the fact that Richard was taken to the national bosom in that way. That was brilliant. | 0:03:00 | 0:03:08 | |
I was hugely pleased when he picked up a couple of BAFTAs. | 0:03:08 | 0:03:12 | |
The winner is... Richard Wilson. | 0:03:12 | 0:03:15 | |
It was certainly life-changing for me insomuch that | 0:03:21 | 0:03:25 | |
one became a bit of a celebrity - | 0:03:25 | 0:03:27 | |
certainly recognised much more. | 0:03:27 | 0:03:29 | |
But it allowed me into areas of society that I'd never been in. | 0:03:29 | 0:03:36 | |
For example, I was Rector of Glasgow University | 0:03:36 | 0:03:39 | |
for three years, which was a job that I absolutely loved, because I'm very passionate about education. | 0:03:39 | 0:03:46 | |
And it opened all these doors - and also, for the first time, gave me financial security. | 0:03:46 | 0:03:55 | |
Well, it was amazing to see Richard become so successful. | 0:03:55 | 0:04:00 | |
When I met him, | 0:04:00 | 0:04:01 | |
even though he was an associate at | 0:04:01 | 0:04:04 | |
the Oxford Playhouse, I'm pretty sure he was living in one room. | 0:04:04 | 0:04:09 | |
He worked all the time. | 0:04:09 | 0:04:11 | |
In many ways because he lived so simply, he could travel easily and toured a great deal as well. | 0:04:11 | 0:04:18 | |
So when the success happened, it was fantastic. | 0:04:18 | 0:04:24 | |
CRICKET COMMENTARY It's caught at slip by Gooch! | 0:04:24 | 0:04:27 | |
One comedy role transformed Richard Wilson's life at a time when even | 0:04:32 | 0:04:36 | |
the most successful actors were being forced into the wings. | 0:04:36 | 0:04:40 | |
But after finding his true calling in his late twenties, his passion for acting has never waned. | 0:04:40 | 0:04:46 | |
He still considers it a privilege to have been able to be an actor. | 0:04:46 | 0:04:51 | |
He will still talk about | 0:04:53 | 0:04:55 | |
the fact that he has had a life | 0:04:55 | 0:04:58 | |
at one point in his life he never thought would happen, and it has. | 0:04:58 | 0:05:02 | |
Becoming one of Britain's biggest stars was a major change in Richard Wilson's life. | 0:05:05 | 0:05:10 | |
But it was the culmination of a dream that started in Greenock, | 0:05:11 | 0:05:14 | |
on the west coast of Scotland, in the 1940s. | 0:05:14 | 0:05:17 | |
When this young boy took to the stage in the Lady Alice Primary School, | 0:05:19 | 0:05:23 | |
little did he know how it would shape his future. | 0:05:23 | 0:05:26 | |
Our school had a stage, which... | 0:05:26 | 0:05:29 | |
in the gymnasium, which was turned into a theatre by putting seats in. | 0:05:29 | 0:05:36 | |
We had a proper stage, and I played in the Princess And The Pea, and I was the king. | 0:05:36 | 0:05:43 | |
The king was quite a small part. | 0:05:43 | 0:05:45 | |
I remember that I got one laugh. | 0:05:45 | 0:05:47 | |
and I thought, "This is interesting. | 0:05:47 | 0:05:50 | |
"I quite like this." | 0:05:50 | 0:05:52 | |
As time went on, I began to think | 0:05:52 | 0:05:56 | |
maybe being an actor was quite good idea. | 0:05:56 | 0:05:59 | |
Bitten by the bug to perform, Richard Wilson kept his lofty ambitions strictly to himself. | 0:06:01 | 0:06:08 | |
In post-war Greenock, a town dominated by heavy industry, acting was not an option. | 0:06:10 | 0:06:16 | |
I kept it pretty secret, as I remember. | 0:06:19 | 0:06:22 | |
I wasn't going to tell anyone for fear they would laugh. | 0:06:22 | 0:06:27 | |
Going into the theatre was strange. | 0:06:27 | 0:06:32 | |
On the west coast of Scotland, you'd be called a big sissy. | 0:06:32 | 0:06:37 | |
On leaving school, Richard Wilson mothballed any thoughts of acting | 0:06:37 | 0:06:42 | |
and chose a respectable path into the National Health Service. | 0:06:42 | 0:06:45 | |
Training as a lab technician, he became part of a crusade to fight the scourge of tuberculosis. | 0:06:45 | 0:06:52 | |
I was quite good at science and I quite liked the idea of working in medical work and | 0:06:52 | 0:07:00 | |
doing good for people and all the rest of it. | 0:07:00 | 0:07:04 | |
When he was called up for national service, Richard swapped | 0:07:05 | 0:07:09 | |
the hospital labs of Glasgow for the field hospitals of war-torn Malaya. | 0:07:09 | 0:07:13 | |
Demobbed after his two years in the Royal Army Medical Corps, | 0:07:13 | 0:07:18 | |
Richard Wilson was keen to swap bloody conflict for culture and headed to London. | 0:07:18 | 0:07:24 | |
I came to London to see more theatre and to see cinema. | 0:07:30 | 0:07:34 | |
I'd become very interested in cinema. | 0:07:34 | 0:07:37 | |
When I came down, I, sort of, lived in the National Film Theatre - | 0:07:40 | 0:07:46 | |
then I caught up with will the classics and it was just a wonderful time. | 0:07:46 | 0:07:49 | |
Now in his late twenties, Richard was content performing in am-dram | 0:07:54 | 0:07:57 | |
as well as holding down his day job in Paddington Hospital. | 0:07:57 | 0:08:01 | |
However, a chance meeting reignited his dream of becoming a professional actor. | 0:08:01 | 0:08:06 | |
I met a girl at a party, a student at RADA, and she said | 0:08:11 | 0:08:16 | |
you only have to have lived in London for a year to get a grant. | 0:08:16 | 0:08:20 | |
I didn't know that. | 0:08:20 | 0:08:23 | |
By the time I was 27, I thought if I don't try now, I'll never try, so I applied to RADA. | 0:08:23 | 0:08:32 | |
I applied to the London County Council, as it was then, | 0:08:32 | 0:08:37 | |
and they paid all my fees and I had a living grant. | 0:08:37 | 0:08:43 | |
Otherwise, I couldn't have done it. | 0:08:43 | 0:08:46 | |
I was absolutely thrilled, of course, when I got in. | 0:08:48 | 0:08:52 | |
The thing about RADA was that there was a sort of mixture of ideas being thrown at you. | 0:08:54 | 0:09:02 | |
It was pretty open, which I thought was very good. | 0:09:02 | 0:09:07 | |
A lot of concentration on voice and technical work, movement, restoration movement, dance, everything. | 0:09:07 | 0:09:19 | |
When he graduated in 1965, Richard Wilson could now called himself an actor. | 0:09:19 | 0:09:25 | |
A new life beckoned and within days of leaving RADA, | 0:09:25 | 0:09:29 | |
he headed north to make his TV debut on one of Britain's biggest shows. | 0:09:29 | 0:09:33 | |
-Does that hurt? -Aye, it does. | 0:09:37 | 0:09:39 | |
Will you be in court tomorrow | 0:09:39 | 0:09:40 | |
to hear Moorcroft shoot done the schoolteacher? | 0:09:40 | 0:09:43 | |
-I will not. -Aye, young Finlay will. | 0:09:43 | 0:09:46 | |
Oh, I bet he feels pretty sick now. | 0:09:46 | 0:09:49 | |
-Why? -Well, nobody likes the teacher, do they? | 0:09:49 | 0:09:53 | |
It was the Andrew Cruikshank version of Dr Finlay and they were | 0:09:53 | 0:09:57 | |
always looking for fresh Scottish faces and one of my teachers at RADA had a friend who was directing one, | 0:09:57 | 0:10:05 | |
so that's how I managed to get the part. | 0:10:05 | 0:10:08 | |
Excuse me. | 0:10:08 | 0:10:10 | |
But it was in the radical theatre of the late '60s that Richard Wilson really began to develop as an actor. | 0:10:20 | 0:10:26 | |
It all started at the end of one of Edinburgh's long, dark lanes. | 0:10:26 | 0:10:31 | |
The Traverse, as it suggests, was a traverse, it was 30 seats on one side and 30 seats on the other. | 0:10:35 | 0:10:42 | |
It was a tiny, tiny little theatre. | 0:10:42 | 0:10:45 | |
It was run by Gordon McDougall at the time and it was a really exciting place to be. | 0:10:47 | 0:10:53 | |
I loved it. | 0:10:53 | 0:10:56 | |
It was very intimate as well and that was great for Richard because he's an actor, um... | 0:10:56 | 0:11:03 | |
who likes to be very close to the audience and he works very well in close up. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:09 | |
It was during productions of Samuel Beckett's Waiting For Godot and Uncle Vanya by Chekhov | 0:11:10 | 0:11:16 | |
that Richard's talent for drawing comedy from the tragic and the absurd emerged. | 0:11:16 | 0:11:21 | |
That quality, that the whole thing is tragic but also absurd, was something that I think | 0:11:21 | 0:11:28 | |
he responded to very quickly and in a sense, it's a gift to have somebody that has that ability | 0:11:28 | 0:11:38 | |
to make you laugh and feel very deeply for the character at the same time. | 0:11:38 | 0:11:43 | |
Whilst at the Traverse, Richard Wilson was amongst | 0:11:46 | 0:11:49 | |
a number of performers who caught the attention of Sidney Bernstein, the impresario behind Granada TV. | 0:11:49 | 0:11:57 | |
It was his vision to form a company of actors and writers | 0:11:57 | 0:12:01 | |
whose creativity would energise British TV drama. It was called The Stables. | 0:12:01 | 0:12:07 | |
It was the first company in the country that was going to do television and theatre. | 0:12:07 | 0:12:12 | |
We were a repertory company that did television, which was absolutely unheard of and very exciting. | 0:12:12 | 0:12:19 | |
So we had money to commission plays, for example, which repertory companies didn't have. | 0:12:19 | 0:12:26 | |
We were able to develop new writers and new plays in the theatre and some of them went on | 0:12:26 | 0:12:32 | |
into television and Richard was part of that company from '68 to 1971. | 0:12:32 | 0:12:40 | |
The collaborative nature of the company saw Richard flourish on and off stage. | 0:12:40 | 0:12:45 | |
In 1969, he was confident enough to direct his first play and so began another successful career path. | 0:12:47 | 0:12:56 | |
It was about a ventriloquist, an ageing ventriloquist, | 0:12:56 | 0:13:00 | |
who had a great sex drive. | 0:13:00 | 0:13:02 | |
-Who is it? -Task force. | 0:13:02 | 0:13:04 | |
I don't want you. | 0:13:04 | 0:13:06 | |
They asked me to get your groceries. | 0:13:06 | 0:13:08 | |
Groceries? | 0:13:08 | 0:13:10 | |
Did you say groceries? | 0:13:10 | 0:13:13 | |
All the helpers who were sent round to deal with him he attacked, basically, as I remember. | 0:13:13 | 0:13:19 | |
Maybe a tin of apricot jam. | 0:13:19 | 0:13:22 | |
Apricot jam. | 0:13:22 | 0:13:24 | |
Before you go, make sure there's none down behind the bed there at the back. I hide it there sometimes. | 0:13:24 | 0:13:30 | |
Just have a look, there's a good lass. | 0:13:30 | 0:13:32 | |
Right over... | 0:13:32 | 0:13:35 | |
Oh, God Almighty! | 0:13:35 | 0:13:37 | |
When Granada ran into financial difficulties in the early '70s, The Stables Company was disbanded. | 0:13:37 | 0:13:45 | |
But for Richard, the association with Granada continued when he has offered his first notable TV role | 0:13:45 | 0:13:51 | |
as a flamboyant barrister in a memorable and long-running courtroom drama. | 0:13:51 | 0:13:55 | |
The idea was that on Wednesday, you had the prosecution, | 0:14:08 | 0:14:11 | |
on Thursday the defence and on Friday, the summing-up | 0:14:11 | 0:14:15 | |
and the verdict | 0:14:15 | 0:14:16 | |
and the special thing about it was that you had real people in the jury. | 0:14:16 | 0:14:20 | |
Richard played Jeremy Parsons, QC. | 0:14:20 | 0:14:24 | |
-Philip da Costa? -Yes. | 0:14:24 | 0:14:27 | |
You're not just a rancher, are you? | 0:14:27 | 0:14:29 | |
I don't know what you mean, sir. | 0:14:29 | 0:14:31 | |
I should have thought the question was quite simple. | 0:14:31 | 0:14:34 | |
Shall I put it another way? | 0:14:34 | 0:14:35 | |
Is ranching your only business interest? | 0:14:35 | 0:14:38 | |
Oh, no, no. | 0:14:38 | 0:14:40 | |
-You have other interests? -Sure. | 0:14:40 | 0:14:42 | |
Jeremy Parsons was very sarcastic, as I remember. | 0:14:42 | 0:14:47 | |
He could be quite nasty, in his, er... | 0:14:47 | 0:14:51 | |
Well, of course barristers are. | 0:14:51 | 0:14:53 | |
What is cryptorchidism, Senor Da Costa? | 0:14:53 | 0:14:57 | |
Oh well... I... | 0:14:57 | 0:14:58 | |
Well? | 0:14:58 | 0:15:00 | |
-I don't know. -You're quite sure? -Sure I'm sure. | 0:15:00 | 0:15:03 | |
Well, paraphimosis? What about paraphemosis? | 0:15:03 | 0:15:07 | |
Who knows? | 0:15:07 | 0:15:09 | |
Well, I trust you do, Mr Parsons. | 0:15:09 | 0:15:11 | |
Yes, my Lord. | 0:15:11 | 0:15:12 | |
What he brought to it, | 0:15:12 | 0:15:15 | |
which a lot of the other counsels didn't, was quite a strong sense of comedy, | 0:15:15 | 0:15:22 | |
that writers were able to give him material that was more probing and | 0:15:22 | 0:15:29 | |
more...slightly more absurd and way out. | 0:15:29 | 0:15:32 | |
Cryptorchidism is a condition which either one or both testicles are | 0:15:32 | 0:15:37 | |
retained in the body and have not descended into the scrotum. | 0:15:37 | 0:15:41 | |
The resulting body heat usually destroys the viability of the sperm. | 0:15:41 | 0:15:44 | |
-Yes, I take your point. -Paraphimosis, on the other hand, is a disease of the penis and... | 0:15:44 | 0:15:49 | |
Spare us the details. | 0:15:49 | 0:15:51 | |
Richard became very popular with audiences, but also with directors, | 0:15:51 | 0:15:57 | |
because generally speaking, as it was such a fast turn around, | 0:15:57 | 0:16:01 | |
the actors wouldn't bother, the actors playing the counsel wouldn't bother to learn the script. | 0:16:01 | 0:16:07 | |
They would just have it in front of them and refer back to it. | 0:16:07 | 0:16:11 | |
But Richard would always learn the script. | 0:16:11 | 0:16:13 | |
You could always get a reaction shot on him. | 0:16:13 | 0:16:16 | |
He wouldn't be buried back in the script looking at the next question. | 0:16:16 | 0:16:20 | |
Because you had your lines, your questions in your note book, which is absolutely | 0:16:20 | 0:16:25 | |
legitimate, I realised if you had your head down too much of the time, you weren't going to get into shots. | 0:16:25 | 0:16:33 | |
At a stroke, Richard Wilson became a well known face for | 0:16:35 | 0:16:38 | |
the role of Jeremy Parsons and his TV career took off. | 0:16:38 | 0:16:42 | |
His comic touch led to regular supporting roles, particularly in sitcoms, | 0:16:45 | 0:16:49 | |
working alongside Leslie Crowther and Sylvia Syms in My Good Woman, | 0:16:51 | 0:16:54 | |
and opposite David Jason in A Sharp Intake of Breath. | 0:16:56 | 0:16:59 | |
But his next comedy role moved him a little closer to centre stage. | 0:17:01 | 0:17:06 | |
After years spent working in hospital labs, he was well suited | 0:17:06 | 0:17:09 | |
to play Dr Gordon Thorpe In Only When I Laugh. | 0:17:09 | 0:17:13 | |
I had a lot of doctors to go on, because I had watched them in hospital work. | 0:17:20 | 0:17:24 | |
But of course a lot of my patients thought I was a doctor. | 0:17:24 | 0:17:26 | |
They used to call me "doctor" | 0:17:26 | 0:17:28 | |
when I was taking blood from them and things like that. | 0:17:28 | 0:17:32 | |
And I used to explain that I wasn't. | 0:17:32 | 0:17:34 | |
But then I got fed up, | 0:17:34 | 0:17:36 | |
because it took too long. So I used to strut around in my white coat. | 0:17:36 | 0:17:40 | |
Oh dear, oh dear. | 0:17:40 | 0:17:41 | |
-Not for me to comment, of course. -Of course not. | 0:17:41 | 0:17:45 | |
-Not a pretty sight. -I've seen Christmas turkeys in better shape. | 0:17:45 | 0:17:48 | |
Not to worry, old chap, you're in good hands now. | 0:17:51 | 0:17:55 | |
-Who did this to you? -You did! | 0:17:55 | 0:17:58 | |
Despite the show being a huge hit for ITV, Richard found his role less than taxing, | 0:17:59 | 0:18:05 | |
a point he brought up with the writer. | 0:18:05 | 0:18:08 | |
I remember, I used to say to Eric Chappell, because I was playing | 0:18:08 | 0:18:11 | |
a doctor in a series about patients, and I remember saying to Eric, look, just write me another scene, | 0:18:11 | 0:18:18 | |
we don't have to broadcast it, but just do it in rehearsal. Because I got so bored. | 0:18:18 | 0:18:23 | |
I shouldn't really accept. Thank you, Norman. | 0:18:23 | 0:18:27 | |
You know, there are days in medicine, not very many, but from time to time, | 0:18:27 | 0:18:32 | |
everything seems worthwhile. | 0:18:32 | 0:18:34 | |
-Now, Mr Binns, we need a few details. We don't appear to have your sample. -My what? | 0:18:36 | 0:18:42 | |
-Your urine sample. -I've just given it to the doctor. | 0:18:42 | 0:18:46 | |
But there were more substantial roles for Richard to play and each brought its own benefits. | 0:18:52 | 0:18:57 | |
It was while appearing in a BBC drama in 1978 that Richard first | 0:18:57 | 0:19:01 | |
worked with actor Anthony Sher, who had become a lifelong friend and regular collaborator. | 0:19:01 | 0:19:07 | |
It was a series for the BBC called Pickersgill People, written by the late Mike Stott. | 0:19:09 | 0:19:16 | |
And it was different stories set in this imaginary place, Pickersgill, | 0:19:16 | 0:19:22 | |
and the one we were in was called the Sheik of Pickersgill, about a very rich, young Arab sheik, | 0:19:22 | 0:19:31 | |
which I played, coming to an English language school, which Richard was running. | 0:19:31 | 0:19:37 | |
Welcome, your highness. | 0:19:37 | 0:19:40 | |
Mackenzie Tooth, sir, | 0:19:42 | 0:19:45 | |
pronounced Tyooth, spelt tooth, as in mouth. | 0:19:45 | 0:19:48 | |
'Scuse? | 0:19:48 | 0:19:50 | |
Boss. | 0:19:50 | 0:19:51 | |
Ah, fuck me. | 0:19:51 | 0:19:54 | |
Yes. Well... | 0:19:54 | 0:19:56 | |
He had no English at all, this sheik, but he really came to watch football and it was an extremely funny play. | 0:19:58 | 0:20:04 | |
I remember he used to spit quite a lot. | 0:20:04 | 0:20:07 | |
I mean, you've already done a year's study at Cowper College, | 0:20:08 | 0:20:13 | |
I understood, so you will have mastered... | 0:20:13 | 0:20:16 | |
-Cowper College, yes, nice place. Rubbish. -HE SPITS | 0:20:16 | 0:20:20 | |
Oh dear. | 0:20:22 | 0:20:24 | |
Every now and again he would go pffut!, which Mackenzie Tooth didn't take to much. | 0:20:24 | 0:20:29 | |
His father, king Fakmed - socialist! | 0:20:29 | 0:20:34 | |
HE SPITS | 0:20:34 | 0:20:36 | |
So speak English, my son, he said. | 0:20:36 | 0:20:40 | |
We just hit it off immediately. | 0:20:40 | 0:20:43 | |
So well that we ruined take after take with laughing. | 0:20:43 | 0:20:48 | |
Hmm? | 0:20:48 | 0:20:50 | |
Oh, well - aye, there is the rub. | 0:20:52 | 0:20:55 | |
Well, yes. Yes. | 0:20:58 | 0:21:00 | |
Now. | 0:21:00 | 0:21:02 | |
Richard was carving out a niche for playing authority figures, often with a comic edge. | 0:21:05 | 0:21:10 | |
But he played it straight when he was cast as a condescending colonial governor | 0:21:12 | 0:21:17 | |
in the film A Passage to India, | 0:21:17 | 0:21:19 | |
working under the great director, David Lean. | 0:21:19 | 0:21:23 | |
Working with David was very exciting. Really exciting. | 0:21:23 | 0:21:27 | |
It was wonderful to see his sort of visual eye and | 0:21:30 | 0:21:34 | |
how keen he was on the visuals and his eye for detail was extraordinary. | 0:21:34 | 0:21:43 | |
He used to regale us with stories of his early days. et cetera, | 0:21:43 | 0:21:49 | |
which was wonderful. It was wonderful to be working with him. | 0:21:49 | 0:21:54 | |
# A wop bop a loo mop a lop bam bam Tutti Frutti.. # | 0:21:54 | 0:21:57 | |
Regular work followed A Passage to India. | 0:21:57 | 0:22:00 | |
But it was in 1987 that Richard would redeploy his comic talents | 0:22:00 | 0:22:03 | |
in a BBC comedy drama that launched the talents of Robbie Coltrane and Emma Thompson. | 0:22:03 | 0:22:09 | |
# A wop bop a loo mop a lop bam bam... # | 0:22:09 | 0:22:11 | |
Tutti Frutti followed the troubles of old-time rockers, The Majestics, | 0:22:13 | 0:22:16 | |
as they struggled to keep body and soul together, as well as their chaotic tour on the road. | 0:22:16 | 0:22:23 | |
Fink, scummy rat fink! | 0:22:27 | 0:22:29 | |
That's what Danny Boy saint is. | 0:22:29 | 0:22:31 | |
Get off that stage, careful, you two timing, scummy rat fink! | 0:22:31 | 0:22:35 | |
Me? | 0:22:35 | 0:22:36 | |
I'm a two-timing rat fink? | 0:22:36 | 0:22:39 | |
What about you? Where are you? | 0:22:39 | 0:22:41 | |
Where I should be and you shouldnae - on stage at The Pavilion for The Majestics' sound check. | 0:22:41 | 0:22:45 | |
Get that stupid guitar off and get back to your knitting. | 0:22:45 | 0:22:49 | |
It was after a chance TV viewing that Tutti Frutti's writer, John Byrne, became convinced | 0:22:49 | 0:22:54 | |
there was only one man to play the hapless and shifty band manager. | 0:22:54 | 0:22:59 | |
Richard Wilson, I had seen years before in a play and I thought, God, he's wonderful, that guy. | 0:22:59 | 0:23:05 | |
And when we came to the part of Eddie Clockerty, | 0:23:05 | 0:23:08 | |
Tony Smith and I were talking about it and he said to me, | 0:23:08 | 0:23:12 | |
there is only one guy can play this part. | 0:23:12 | 0:23:15 | |
And I looked at him and I said - and we both said it - | 0:23:15 | 0:23:18 | |
Richard, we both said it simultaneously, Richard Wilson. | 0:23:18 | 0:23:21 | |
So we both had the same idea. | 0:23:21 | 0:23:23 | |
Hello, Tommy. | 0:23:23 | 0:23:24 | |
Eddie Clockerty. | 0:23:24 | 0:23:27 | |
Listen, we might be able to salvage The Majestics' Silver Jubilee junket after all. | 0:23:27 | 0:23:32 | |
I remember reading this man Eddie Clockerty and thinking, | 0:23:32 | 0:23:38 | |
I have got to research this character - I don't know anyone like this. | 0:23:38 | 0:23:42 | |
But then the more I read - John's writing was so explicit and | 0:23:42 | 0:23:48 | |
then we had the great Katy Murphy came along very late in the casting. | 0:23:48 | 0:23:53 | |
He never signed that, did he? | 0:23:53 | 0:23:55 | |
That's yours with the lumpy milk. | 0:23:55 | 0:23:57 | |
Of course he signed it - he just didn't sign all of it. | 0:23:57 | 0:24:00 | |
You could go to the Bar-L for that, Mr Clockerty. | 0:24:00 | 0:24:02 | |
What, for making up for an incompetent PA, Miss Toner? Look at this. | 0:24:02 | 0:24:06 | |
He forgot to staple the bottom 12 pages to the top sheet. | 0:24:06 | 0:24:10 | |
I'm just trying to rectify a clerical blunder, that's all. | 0:24:10 | 0:24:13 | |
I was Janice Toner, who | 0:24:15 | 0:24:18 | |
was the secretary to Richard Wilson's character, Mr Clockerty. | 0:24:18 | 0:24:25 | |
Katy was wonderful to work with. She had | 0:24:25 | 0:24:29 | |
never played anything that big before, I don't think. | 0:24:29 | 0:24:32 | |
And she just grasped it. | 0:24:32 | 0:24:34 | |
Vincent Diver. He doesn't sound too pleased about something. | 0:24:34 | 0:24:38 | |
Tell him I'm away home. | 0:24:38 | 0:24:39 | |
You've just told him. | 0:24:39 | 0:24:41 | |
You're on a verbal warning, Janice. | 0:24:43 | 0:24:46 | |
Aye, that'll be right. | 0:24:46 | 0:24:48 | |
Vincent! | 0:24:48 | 0:24:49 | |
Richard's incredibly supportive | 0:24:49 | 0:24:51 | |
of me and incredibly kind and when I did actually learn a lot about | 0:24:51 | 0:24:54 | |
acting, speaking to him, because he is a wonderful director as well, so he is very knowledgeable. | 0:24:54 | 0:25:01 | |
You had a pleasant enough journey through? | 0:25:01 | 0:25:03 | |
Nice bunch of lads. Nice bunch. | 0:25:03 | 0:25:04 | |
No, keep that arm up. | 0:25:04 | 0:25:06 | |
Do you mind, sweetheart? | 0:25:06 | 0:25:08 | |
Do I mind what? Standing here like an idiot, | 0:25:08 | 0:25:10 | |
holding on to the slack of your bum, when I could be downstairs in the bar having a last gin and tonic? | 0:25:10 | 0:25:14 | |
-What do you think? -Pay no attention to Miss Toner, Danny. She's going to get her jotters when we get back. | 0:25:14 | 0:25:19 | |
Just try it. | 0:25:19 | 0:25:21 | |
The writing was exceptional and John wrote in the Scottish vernacular. We didn't water it down. | 0:25:21 | 0:25:28 | |
I remember Anthony Howard, I think it was, on some review programme saying, | 0:25:28 | 0:25:33 | |
I don't understand a word of it. Just dismissed it. | 0:25:33 | 0:25:37 | |
-Is that what you're wearing, Miss Toner? -Yeah. | 0:25:39 | 0:25:42 | |
-What's up with it? -No, no, it's... | 0:25:42 | 0:25:44 | |
very eye-catching. | 0:25:44 | 0:25:46 | |
Oh good. | 0:25:46 | 0:25:49 | |
-Is that us, then? -Do you not want to take a coat, just in case it rains? | 0:25:49 | 0:25:54 | |
If it's your pals in the miner's welfare in Methil you're bothered about, don't. | 0:25:54 | 0:25:58 | |
I'll be tucked up nice and cosy in my bed with a good book. | 0:25:58 | 0:26:01 | |
John Byrne's Tutti Frutti walked away with six BAFTAs | 0:26:01 | 0:26:05 | |
and Richard Wilson's reputation for a distinctive comedy touch was significantly enhanced. | 0:26:05 | 0:26:10 | |
The winner is Peter Hayes for Tutti Frutti. | 0:26:10 | 0:26:14 | |
Lora Blair for Tutti Frutti. | 0:26:16 | 0:26:18 | |
Sandy Anderson | 0:26:18 | 0:26:21 | |
and John Byrne for Tutti Frutti. | 0:26:21 | 0:26:23 | |
Tutti Frutti. | 0:26:23 | 0:26:24 | |
I think it just | 0:26:26 | 0:26:28 | |
hit the spot. | 0:26:28 | 0:26:30 | |
In terms of | 0:26:30 | 0:26:32 | |
the fact that people | 0:26:32 | 0:26:34 | |
talked about it the following day. | 0:26:34 | 0:26:36 | |
It went out on a Tuesday night, it was on the graveyard slot on the BBC at that time. BBC1. | 0:26:36 | 0:26:41 | |
And people were talking about it the following day. | 0:26:41 | 0:26:44 | |
But there was another writer who had played by far the most significant role in Richard's career. | 0:26:47 | 0:26:52 | |
His scripts sparked Richard's rise from solid second billing to the pantheon of British comedy greats, | 0:26:54 | 0:27:01 | |
where only a handful of performers exist. | 0:27:01 | 0:27:04 | |
However, back in the 1980s, writer David Renwick looked to Richard to play the foil to Peter Cook, | 0:27:07 | 0:27:12 | |
in the movie Whoops Apocalypse, | 0:27:12 | 0:27:15 | |
a satirical swipe at the deeply divisive Conservative policies of the 1980s. | 0:27:15 | 0:27:21 | |
The entire country has gone stark staring raving... | 0:27:21 | 0:27:26 | |
-Morning. -Morning Prime Minister. | 0:27:27 | 0:27:30 | |
I first became aware of Richard's work generally, I think, watching him in Only When I Laugh. | 0:27:30 | 0:27:35 | |
He played those kind of | 0:27:35 | 0:27:37 | |
sort of authority figures with, I don't know, | 0:27:37 | 0:27:40 | |
a kind of ineffectual pomposity to them. | 0:27:40 | 0:27:42 | |
I immediately was struck by him and found him a very funny actor. | 0:27:42 | 0:27:46 | |
What we need now is a radical job-creation programme. | 0:27:46 | 0:27:49 | |
Now I have devised one here that will create half a million new jobs in its first year of operation. | 0:27:49 | 0:27:55 | |
Basically, the scheme works like this. | 0:27:55 | 0:27:58 | |
Every week, 10,000 working people jump off a cliff, | 0:27:58 | 0:28:01 | |
thus creating 10,000 new jobs. | 0:28:01 | 0:28:04 | |
We knew he was of the left, so he was kind of politically sound and he seemed ideal material for that role. | 0:28:04 | 0:28:12 | |
Now some people argue this crisis is as a result of Government mismanagement and under-spending. | 0:28:12 | 0:28:17 | |
Well, they could not be more wrong. | 0:28:17 | 0:28:20 | |
-Hear, hear. -Because we all know what really causes unemployment in this country, don't we gentlemen? | 0:28:20 | 0:28:27 | |
Unemployment in this country is caused by pixies. | 0:28:27 | 0:28:32 | |
Anything that was trying to do down Margaret Thatcher, I accepted | 0:28:32 | 0:28:37 | |
with open arms. | 0:28:37 | 0:28:40 | |
Because by this time I was a member of the Labour Party and hated Margaret Thatcher and her government. | 0:28:40 | 0:28:48 | |
I think that kind of anarchic comedy, which was very wild, very surreal in a lot of cases, works | 0:28:48 | 0:28:54 | |
better the straighter the performances are within it. | 0:28:54 | 0:28:58 | |
And people like Richard are just gold dust | 0:28:58 | 0:29:01 | |
in that respect, because they do give it such a kind of weight. | 0:29:01 | 0:29:05 | |
It wasn't a very successful film, unfortunately. | 0:29:08 | 0:29:11 | |
But it was great to do. | 0:29:11 | 0:29:14 | |
And of course started my relationship with David. | 0:29:14 | 0:29:18 | |
The following year, writers David Renwick and Andrew Marshall looked to Richard Wilson again | 0:29:18 | 0:29:23 | |
for their sitcom that satirised the charging juggernaut that was '80s tabloid journalism. | 0:29:23 | 0:29:29 | |
# Paper, paper, give us your daily news... # | 0:29:29 | 0:29:36 | |
We really just want to get the knives into the | 0:29:36 | 0:29:39 | |
scurrilous activities of the press at that time | 0:29:39 | 0:29:42 | |
and prior to that time and since that time. Nothing has changed. Nothing whatsoever. | 0:29:42 | 0:29:47 | |
Hello, good morning, Dicky. How are you today? | 0:29:47 | 0:29:50 | |
I just ran into Greg Kettle in the lift, who said he was on his way to | 0:29:50 | 0:29:53 | |
investigate a story that tennis player Boris Becker was a lesbian. | 0:29:53 | 0:29:57 | |
Based on the somewhat flimsy evidence that he's been seen going out with women. | 0:29:59 | 0:30:05 | |
Now this is just the kind of pernicious pap that Mr Rathbone brought me into stamp out. | 0:30:05 | 0:30:10 | |
David Renwick had been a journalist | 0:30:11 | 0:30:14 | |
and he said everything was true that happened in Hot Metal. | 0:30:14 | 0:30:18 | |
It was. It was having a real swipe at press barons and tabloid papers. | 0:30:18 | 0:30:26 | |
As well as taking broad swipes at the barely-legal excesses of the press, the series also served as | 0:30:28 | 0:30:33 | |
a perfect showcase for Richard Wilson's comic timing. | 0:30:33 | 0:30:37 | |
No, I do not propose to bring back topless girls in the Crucible. | 0:30:37 | 0:30:40 | |
To be frank, I find naked bosoms quite distasteful... | 0:30:40 | 0:30:43 | |
Well, stop tasting them then! | 0:30:43 | 0:30:46 | |
..quite distasteful and an insult to women | 0:30:46 | 0:30:48 | |
and I intend to preserve and protect these values I hold most dear. | 0:30:48 | 0:30:52 | |
The simple values of human dignity. | 0:30:52 | 0:30:54 | |
Humphrey Barclay, who produced the show, said, "Who is it funny to cut to?" | 0:30:56 | 0:31:00 | |
Answer, not very many people, not many actors. | 0:31:00 | 0:31:02 | |
Richard obviously is one of those. | 0:31:02 | 0:31:04 | |
This is a job for the experts. | 0:31:04 | 0:31:07 | |
Ah, come in, come in. | 0:31:07 | 0:31:08 | |
'He put Richard entrapped inside a magic box' | 0:31:10 | 0:31:15 | |
from which he's being removed by Ali Bongo. | 0:31:15 | 0:31:17 | |
It's just very funny to see Richard's face poking out of that hole. | 0:31:17 | 0:31:21 | |
We'll have the skewers out of you in no time. | 0:31:21 | 0:31:23 | |
Right, Mr Bongo! | 0:31:23 | 0:31:25 | |
I can't make it funny unless it's well written. | 0:31:28 | 0:31:31 | |
David would always say that yes, the writing was there, | 0:31:31 | 0:31:36 | |
but he needed an actor who had that extra whatever. | 0:31:36 | 0:31:41 | |
Hot Metal only ran for two series but it strengthened a bond between David Renwick and Richard Wilson | 0:31:44 | 0:31:50 | |
that would reach a whole new level on their next project. | 0:31:50 | 0:31:54 | |
As well as the continuing on-screen success, | 0:31:56 | 0:31:59 | |
Richard was also prospering as a director, | 0:31:59 | 0:32:02 | |
regularly taking the helm in theatre and television plays. | 0:32:02 | 0:32:06 | |
It's enormously nourishing to him, | 0:32:06 | 0:32:09 | |
the directing career. | 0:32:09 | 0:32:10 | |
He takes great pride in it | 0:32:10 | 0:32:13 | |
and has great love for it. | 0:32:13 | 0:32:15 | |
It's really from Richard that I've learnt the way I work as an actor. | 0:32:15 | 0:32:20 | |
I think he's incredible. | 0:32:20 | 0:32:22 | |
He's by far and away the best director | 0:32:22 | 0:32:25 | |
that I've worked with in my 30-year career. | 0:32:25 | 0:32:28 | |
He doesn't try to control you. He allows you to blossom. | 0:32:28 | 0:32:32 | |
He just gives you complete confidence in yourself and your abilities. | 0:32:32 | 0:32:37 | |
In 1990, Richard Wilson faced one of his biggest creative challenges | 0:32:42 | 0:32:47 | |
when he devised and directed a feature-length drama for the BBC. | 0:32:47 | 0:32:51 | |
It dealt with the emotional toil of soldiers sent home to convalesce | 0:32:54 | 0:32:58 | |
in country houses after losing limbs in the slaughter of World War I. | 0:32:58 | 0:33:03 | |
It was a subject very close to Richard's heart. | 0:33:03 | 0:33:07 | |
My father had fought in the First World War and had told me a little bit about it. | 0:33:07 | 0:33:13 | |
A lot of the grand houses were turned into hospitals | 0:33:13 | 0:33:17 | |
because there was a flood of wounded and not enough space. | 0:33:17 | 0:33:22 | |
-ALL: -Morning, sir. | 0:33:22 | 0:33:24 | |
Good morning. Don't get up. | 0:33:24 | 0:33:26 | |
And also because of my experience in Singapore, | 0:33:26 | 0:33:29 | |
where I was dealing with battle casualties, | 0:33:29 | 0:33:33 | |
I always felt that it hadn't been dealt with properly before. | 0:33:33 | 0:33:38 | |
All right now, you tell me if it hurts. | 0:33:38 | 0:33:41 | |
Relax. Lie back. | 0:33:42 | 0:33:45 | |
Were you in the line long? | 0:33:45 | 0:33:48 | |
Just a year, sir. | 0:33:48 | 0:33:49 | |
'I felt that the people who were playing the wounded should be' | 0:33:49 | 0:33:53 | |
played by disabled people, not by actors who were just pretending. | 0:33:53 | 0:33:59 | |
Hurts everywhere, sir. | 0:34:01 | 0:34:03 | |
Yes, I know, try and relax. | 0:34:03 | 0:34:05 | |
'This was so much his project from the start' | 0:34:05 | 0:34:10 | |
and his fascination as well with those well-bred young ladies | 0:34:10 | 0:34:14 | |
who became VAD nurses | 0:34:14 | 0:34:15 | |
and these shattered young men, | 0:34:15 | 0:34:18 | |
often physically and mentally shattered, | 0:34:18 | 0:34:21 | |
who were coming back from the Front. | 0:34:21 | 0:34:24 | |
There's the most astonishing scene, | 0:34:24 | 0:34:27 | |
which is right at the beginning of the film when I, | 0:34:27 | 0:34:31 | |
as this young nurse, arrive to be interviewed | 0:34:31 | 0:34:34 | |
and I'm standing in the hallway, waiting, | 0:34:34 | 0:34:36 | |
and I look out of the window and there is the parade ground. | 0:34:36 | 0:34:41 | |
One! One! One! | 0:34:41 | 0:34:44 | |
One! One! One! One! One! | 0:34:44 | 0:34:48 | |
But of course, they all have their crutches, | 0:34:48 | 0:34:51 | |
and the sergeant major is shouting, "One! One! One! | 0:34:51 | 0:34:56 | |
One! One! One! One! | 0:34:56 | 0:35:01 | |
And a bigger anti-war statement I don't think I've ever seen on the screen in fiction. | 0:35:01 | 0:35:06 | |
It won the first prize at the Banff Film Festival. | 0:35:06 | 0:35:10 | |
I had been invited to go to Banff to accept a prize and I was working | 0:35:10 | 0:35:16 | |
and I couldn't go and I was so frustrated. | 0:35:16 | 0:35:19 | |
It was the first time I'd won a prize for any television work. | 0:35:19 | 0:35:23 | |
I was really upset that I couldn't get to Banff. | 0:35:25 | 0:35:29 | |
During the production of Changing Step, Richard Wilson received a comedy script in the post. | 0:35:30 | 0:35:36 | |
It was from David Renwick, who had co-written Whoops Apocalypse and Hot Metal. | 0:35:36 | 0:35:41 | |
The script was for a new BBC sitcom with the unpromising title One Foot In The Grave. | 0:35:41 | 0:35:47 | |
It may have been well before at the soaring success and the countless awards, | 0:35:47 | 0:35:51 | |
but even at this early stage, David Renwick knew success lay in the comedic talents of one man. | 0:35:51 | 0:35:58 | |
I wrote One Foot In The Grave very much with Richard in mind, | 0:36:01 | 0:36:06 | |
having worked with him on those two other projects | 0:36:06 | 0:36:09 | |
and knowing how strong he was, | 0:36:09 | 0:36:11 | |
how great he was to work with, just on a personal level. | 0:36:11 | 0:36:15 | |
That counts for a huge amount. | 0:36:15 | 0:36:16 | |
And he wasn't such a star name, | 0:36:16 | 0:36:20 | |
such a commodity that he was likely to be unavailable. | 0:36:20 | 0:36:24 | |
Famously, he turned it down, so that set us back considerably. | 0:36:24 | 0:36:30 | |
Well, it was partly vanity, I suppose. | 0:36:30 | 0:36:33 | |
I think the part of Victor, he was 60 and I was, I think, 55 at the time, | 0:36:33 | 0:36:40 | |
and I just hadn't seen myself playing older people yet. | 0:36:40 | 0:36:45 | |
After reading more scripts, Richard's reservations disappeared, | 0:36:45 | 0:36:50 | |
but the BBC were also voicing their doubts. | 0:36:50 | 0:36:53 | |
There were some dissenting voices within the BBC - | 0:36:53 | 0:36:56 | |
I won't name them, quite high up - | 0:36:56 | 0:36:58 | |
who felt that Richard was really only destined | 0:36:58 | 0:37:01 | |
to be a "second banana", as they would have called it, | 0:37:01 | 0:37:05 | |
in the same way that they said that about David Jason. | 0:37:05 | 0:37:09 | |
Fortunately, in those days, you could actually | 0:37:09 | 0:37:11 | |
have arguments about it and, on occasion, win those arguments. | 0:37:11 | 0:37:14 | |
I doubt that would happen today. And so good sense did prevail. | 0:37:14 | 0:37:20 | |
Fortunately, the producer assigned to it, Susie Belbin, | 0:37:20 | 0:37:23 | |
was a huge fan of Richard's work to start with, | 0:37:23 | 0:37:26 | |
so she was championing him from the start. | 0:37:26 | 0:37:28 | |
# They say I might as well face the truth | 0:37:29 | 0:37:32 | |
# That I am just too long in the tooth... # | 0:37:33 | 0:37:36 | |
The sitcom revolved around Victor Meldrew, a man who felt the pain of life's daily grind very keenly. | 0:37:36 | 0:37:44 | |
This made all the worse by being cast aside into the purgatory of early retirement. | 0:37:44 | 0:37:49 | |
Of course, the biggest problem of all was, | 0:37:49 | 0:37:51 | |
how do you ever replace a man like Victor Meldrew? | 0:37:51 | 0:37:54 | |
Well, basically, with this box. | 0:37:54 | 0:37:56 | |
-Box? -I know! Isn't it amazing what they can come up with these days? | 0:37:58 | 0:38:02 | |
It does everything you used to do, | 0:38:02 | 0:38:03 | |
except complain about the air conditioning. | 0:38:03 | 0:38:06 | |
The omens weren't particularly, erm, | 0:38:07 | 0:38:09 | |
auspicious at the beginning there. | 0:38:09 | 0:38:11 | |
There were the traditional kind of press responses. | 0:38:11 | 0:38:15 | |
"It should be One Script In The Bin," | 0:38:15 | 0:38:19 | |
"I'd like to kick the other foot in the grave," | 0:38:19 | 0:38:22 | |
and all this kind of stuff. | 0:38:22 | 0:38:23 | |
You know, there were people who said that Richard was wasted, | 0:38:23 | 0:38:27 | |
who basically loved him in Tutti Frutti and that's where it should stop. | 0:38:27 | 0:38:31 | |
I remember being a little bit disappointed, I suppose. | 0:38:31 | 0:38:35 | |
But it was doing well enough to do another series | 0:38:35 | 0:38:40 | |
and then another series. | 0:38:40 | 0:38:43 | |
Susie Belbin, the producer and director, she always said, | 0:38:43 | 0:38:49 | |
"Just wait, it will click." | 0:38:49 | 0:38:52 | |
And, of course, she was right. | 0:38:52 | 0:38:55 | |
A lot of people did come late to it. | 0:38:55 | 0:38:57 | |
Although the viewing figures for the first two series were modest, | 0:38:57 | 0:39:01 | |
One Foot In The Grave did eventually establish itself with the British public. | 0:39:01 | 0:39:06 | |
They grew to love a character who fought manfully | 0:39:06 | 0:39:09 | |
to live a life of dignity and free of idiotic interference. | 0:39:09 | 0:39:14 | |
Let's face it, if you've got your health, what else is there possibly to worry about? | 0:39:14 | 0:39:20 | |
I mean, you just don't know how well off you are... | 0:39:20 | 0:39:24 | |
What in the name of bloody hell?! | 0:39:28 | 0:39:33 | |
I do not believe it! | 0:39:33 | 0:39:36 | |
He was just a wonderful mixture of standing up for the common man | 0:39:39 | 0:39:45 | |
and fighting against society, | 0:39:45 | 0:39:49 | |
fighting against authority. | 0:39:49 | 0:39:52 | |
Absolutely bloody hideous! | 0:39:57 | 0:39:59 | |
It's much more sensible wearing a loaf of bread on top of your head! | 0:39:59 | 0:40:03 | |
How anyone could... Hello, yes! | 0:40:03 | 0:40:06 | |
I'd like to speak to the manager, please, and quick about it. | 0:40:06 | 0:40:09 | |
Meldrew. | 0:40:09 | 0:40:11 | |
No, he doesn't, but he bloody well will shortly! | 0:40:11 | 0:40:14 | |
I never really tried to analyse too much why One Foot was so successful, | 0:40:16 | 0:40:22 | |
because I just obeyed David's scripts. | 0:40:22 | 0:40:25 | |
He wrote it, and he wrote it extremely well. | 0:40:25 | 0:40:30 | |
You never know... | 0:40:33 | 0:40:35 | |
whether to drink this stuff or clean the windows with it. | 0:40:35 | 0:40:39 | |
"Caution - this medication can lead to darkening of the stool." | 0:40:46 | 0:40:51 | |
'I remember, I think it was' | 0:40:56 | 0:40:58 | |
Mark Lawson that said that | 0:40:58 | 0:41:00 | |
David Renwick was the Beckett of the sitcom. | 0:41:00 | 0:41:04 | |
Which is a wonderful compliment. | 0:41:04 | 0:41:06 | |
And I think he was right. | 0:41:06 | 0:41:07 | |
My God! | 0:41:08 | 0:41:10 | |
"Colon tumour - | 0:41:10 | 0:41:13 | |
"often no symptoms in the early stages." | 0:41:13 | 0:41:16 | |
Exactly what I've got! | 0:41:16 | 0:41:18 | |
'I'm not sure it was ever written' | 0:41:18 | 0:41:20 | |
as a particularly mainstream kind of show. | 0:41:20 | 0:41:23 | |
It looked like it. You know, it had the sofa and the chairs and the sort of comfortable setting. | 0:41:23 | 0:41:28 | |
But actually it had a very dark, macabre side. | 0:41:28 | 0:41:32 | |
This is the end to a perfect week, isn't it? | 0:41:32 | 0:41:35 | |
To come home and find your husband has taken up necrophilia! | 0:41:35 | 0:41:38 | |
Excuse me! | 0:41:42 | 0:41:43 | |
Do you mind if I ask what you're doing here? | 0:41:43 | 0:41:47 | |
SHE SCREAMS | 0:41:47 | 0:41:50 | |
I think there are some that still think of it | 0:41:50 | 0:41:54 | |
as a rather comfy, sofa-based show. | 0:41:54 | 0:41:57 | |
But if you actually analyse what's going on, | 0:41:57 | 0:42:00 | |
there's quite a lot of unpleasantness and bleakness to the whole thing. | 0:42:00 | 0:42:05 | |
It was just great to get a David Renwick script in the post | 0:42:05 | 0:42:13 | |
and see what he was up to, what he had planned. | 0:42:13 | 0:42:18 | |
A lot of it, for Victor, | 0:42:18 | 0:42:20 | |
'quite painful. | 0:42:20 | 0:42:23 | |
'Quite unpleasant.' | 0:42:23 | 0:42:25 | |
"Dear Mrs Meldrew, have filled in the hole now, hope it is to your satisfaction. | 0:42:25 | 0:42:29 | |
"It certainly is to mine." | 0:42:29 | 0:42:31 | |
Margaret? | 0:42:42 | 0:42:43 | |
Victor? | 0:42:45 | 0:42:47 | |
What are you doing? | 0:42:47 | 0:42:49 | |
What am I doing? | 0:42:49 | 0:42:50 | |
I'm wallpapering the spare bedroom! | 0:42:50 | 0:42:53 | |
What the bloody hell does it look as if I'm doing? | 0:42:53 | 0:42:56 | |
I never shied away from being as vicious as I possibly could | 0:42:56 | 0:43:00 | |
against Victor. I'm not sure Richard resisted that either. | 0:43:00 | 0:43:04 | |
I think the comic imperative would always dictate | 0:43:04 | 0:43:07 | |
that you want to be as nasty to him as possible, | 0:43:07 | 0:43:10 | |
because therein lie the greatest laughs, and hopefully that way, | 0:43:10 | 0:43:14 | |
you'll engender the audience's sympathy. | 0:43:14 | 0:43:18 | |
Afternoon! | 0:43:25 | 0:43:27 | |
As One Foot In The Grave became enormously successful, | 0:43:29 | 0:43:33 | |
Richard Wilson became inseparable from his character. | 0:43:33 | 0:43:36 | |
Where's that glass? | 0:43:36 | 0:43:37 | |
'In terms of his performance, he compared favourably with the finest around.' | 0:43:37 | 0:43:42 | |
They're talking about us. | 0:43:42 | 0:43:43 | |
I just caught the words "arsehole think he's playing at". | 0:43:43 | 0:43:47 | |
It's gone quiet. I wonder what's happening. | 0:43:49 | 0:43:52 | |
The other actor that I had worked with most closely before Richard | 0:43:56 | 0:44:00 | |
was Rowan Atkinson. | 0:44:00 | 0:44:01 | |
I did his stage show with him for several years. | 0:44:01 | 0:44:04 | |
And Richard and Rowan both had a slightly similar approach | 0:44:04 | 0:44:08 | |
to comedy acting, which was really to sort of regard it | 0:44:08 | 0:44:11 | |
as the same as any other kind of acting. | 0:44:11 | 0:44:14 | |
I'll tell you exactly what the problem is, Mr Sturgeon! | 0:44:14 | 0:44:17 | |
I was working in the garden when he arrived, so I asked him if, | 0:44:17 | 0:44:20 | |
for the time being, he'd put it in the downstairs toilet for me. | 0:44:20 | 0:44:23 | |
And do you know what he's done? He's only planted it in the pan! | 0:44:23 | 0:44:27 | |
Victor Meldrew quickly entered popular culture as a byword | 0:44:31 | 0:44:34 | |
for any joyless outburst or act of ineffectual rage. | 0:44:34 | 0:44:39 | |
And as the public and Her Majesty's press blurred fact with fiction, | 0:44:39 | 0:44:43 | |
one recurring line stuck fast. | 0:44:43 | 0:44:46 | |
PHONE RINGS | 0:44:46 | 0:44:48 | |
I don't believe it! | 0:44:51 | 0:44:53 | |
I do not believe it! | 0:44:53 | 0:44:56 | |
I don't believe it! | 0:44:56 | 0:44:58 | |
It was never meant to be a catch phrase. | 0:44:58 | 0:45:01 | |
It was just that he used to say it quite a lot. | 0:45:01 | 0:45:04 | |
And eventually it was picked up by the press. | 0:45:04 | 0:45:06 | |
It was only when it appeared in print, "I don't believe it," | 0:45:10 | 0:45:14 | |
with the seven E's, that I became aware that I was using it quite a lot. | 0:45:14 | 0:45:19 | |
And when we discovered that "I don't believe it" | 0:45:19 | 0:45:22 | |
was being picked up on quite the way it was, I started to ration it. | 0:45:22 | 0:45:25 | |
So he wouldn't say it very often, or he would say a half one. | 0:45:25 | 0:45:30 | |
"I don't be..." or "I d..." | 0:45:30 | 0:45:32 | |
The public love a catch phrase, and they can plague actors for years. | 0:45:33 | 0:45:37 | |
And Richard Wilson suffered like the rest of them. | 0:45:37 | 0:45:40 | |
But on one notable occasion, he played along to brilliant comic effect | 0:45:40 | 0:45:45 | |
in another sitcom, of all places. | 0:45:45 | 0:45:48 | |
God almighty! Look who it is - it's that actor. | 0:45:49 | 0:45:54 | |
-Who? -You know, your man from One Foot In The Grave, the "I don't believe it" man. | 0:45:54 | 0:45:59 | |
I was a greater admirer of Father Ted, | 0:45:59 | 0:46:02 | |
and they were great admirers of One Foot. | 0:46:02 | 0:46:04 | |
So when they asked, I was only too pleased. | 0:46:04 | 0:46:09 | |
-Do you know what he'd love? -What? -He'd love it if somebody came up to him and said his catch phrase. | 0:46:09 | 0:46:14 | |
Oh yeah, Ted, he'd love that. You should definitely do that. | 0:46:14 | 0:46:19 | |
Should I? | 0:46:19 | 0:46:21 | |
And, of course, a lot of people remember that | 0:46:21 | 0:46:24 | |
much more than they remember One Foot In The Grave, | 0:46:24 | 0:46:28 | |
'because they were Father Ted fans.' | 0:46:28 | 0:46:30 | |
I don't believe it! | 0:46:30 | 0:46:34 | |
After ten years and six dazzling series, | 0:46:48 | 0:46:51 | |
in which Victor Meldrew's daily routine | 0:46:51 | 0:46:53 | |
took every wrong turn possible, | 0:46:53 | 0:46:55 | |
the character would suffer one last cruel twist of fate. | 0:46:55 | 0:46:59 | |
None of which perturbed the star himself. | 0:46:59 | 0:47:01 | |
'I don't think a main character in a sitcom had ever died before' | 0:47:01 | 0:47:05 | |
and David thought that was a very suitable way to go. | 0:47:05 | 0:47:12 | |
But also it meant he wouldn't be pestered into writing more, | 0:47:14 | 0:47:19 | |
because I remember I was doing Waiting For Godot | 0:47:19 | 0:47:22 | |
for the second time in Manchester and David came to see it. | 0:47:22 | 0:47:26 | |
He said, "I'm thinking of killing off Victor," | 0:47:26 | 0:47:30 | |
and I said, "Yeah, kill him." | 0:47:30 | 0:47:33 | |
'It was just becoming' | 0:47:45 | 0:47:48 | |
a little bit of a routine | 0:47:48 | 0:47:50 | |
in a sense of trying to find new ways of being angry | 0:47:50 | 0:47:55 | |
and keeping it fresh. | 0:47:55 | 0:47:57 | |
To have a sympathetic, realistic character like that killed off, | 0:47:57 | 0:48:01 | |
I felt was probably a first, | 0:48:01 | 0:48:03 | |
and that would be one reason I thought it was a good idea. | 0:48:03 | 0:48:07 | |
But mainly just to make it unequivocally final. | 0:48:07 | 0:48:11 | |
Throughout the elevation to national stardom, Richard's workload increased. | 0:48:15 | 0:48:19 | |
The parts flooded in and Richard was most fulfilled when he was working flat out. | 0:48:19 | 0:48:24 | |
Most actors worth their salt want to do different parts | 0:48:26 | 0:48:31 | |
and play different roles. | 0:48:31 | 0:48:33 | |
That's what they train for and that's what they want to do. | 0:48:33 | 0:48:36 | |
They're happier when they're working. | 0:48:36 | 0:48:38 | |
And because of long spells out of work, you grab any chance you can get | 0:48:40 | 0:48:45 | |
because you want to meet new directors and all the rest of it. | 0:48:45 | 0:48:48 | |
But as one of the most successful and recognisable faces in Britain, | 0:48:50 | 0:48:55 | |
he now had to bear an unfamiliar burden of expectation, | 0:48:55 | 0:48:58 | |
to deliver instant success. | 0:48:58 | 0:49:00 | |
It was worrying, in a sense, that that pressure was on your shoulders | 0:49:02 | 0:49:07 | |
and I suppose also that | 0:49:07 | 0:49:10 | |
I was most suited to Eddie Clockerty and Victor Meldrew | 0:49:10 | 0:49:17 | |
and some of the other characters I was attempting, | 0:49:17 | 0:49:19 | |
maybe I didn't quite have the scope to deal with them. | 0:49:19 | 0:49:23 | |
Away from the screen and back in theatre, | 0:49:27 | 0:49:29 | |
Richard continued to seek out challenging material to direct. | 0:49:29 | 0:49:32 | |
In 2004, when he worked yet again with Antony Sher, | 0:49:35 | 0:49:39 | |
he'd be tested to the extreme, | 0:49:39 | 0:49:41 | |
attempting the near-impossible task | 0:49:41 | 0:49:43 | |
of dramatising the horrors of the Holocaust. | 0:49:43 | 0:49:46 | |
It was my good fortune to be deported to Auschwitz only in 1944. | 0:49:49 | 0:49:57 | |
That is, after the German government decided, | 0:49:57 | 0:50:01 | |
owing to the growing scarcity of labour, | 0:50:01 | 0:50:05 | |
to lengthen the average lifespan | 0:50:05 | 0:50:07 | |
of the prisoners destined for elimination. | 0:50:07 | 0:50:12 | |
Well, I had done an adaptation | 0:50:12 | 0:50:15 | |
of Primo Levi's great book | 0:50:15 | 0:50:17 | |
If This Is A Man, which is his account of | 0:50:17 | 0:50:20 | |
having been in Auschwitz. | 0:50:20 | 0:50:23 | |
And I'd written it as a one-man piece. | 0:50:23 | 0:50:27 | |
I'd always thought of Richard as directing it. | 0:50:27 | 0:50:31 | |
When Tony asked me to direct this, | 0:50:31 | 0:50:34 | |
I was extremely flattered that he'd asked me. | 0:50:34 | 0:50:38 | |
Straightaway, I realised it was such a simple, lean script | 0:50:38 | 0:50:44 | |
that it should be done in an empty space. | 0:50:44 | 0:50:47 | |
Death begins | 0:50:47 | 0:50:50 | |
with your shoes, | 0:50:50 | 0:50:52 | |
your wooden-soled shoes. | 0:50:52 | 0:50:55 | |
At first, they're like instruments of torture. | 0:50:55 | 0:50:59 | |
After a few hours' marching, you already have painful sores. | 0:50:59 | 0:51:03 | |
These quickly become infected. | 0:51:03 | 0:51:06 | |
And then you're forced to walk with a kind of shuffle | 0:51:06 | 0:51:10 | |
as if dragging a convict's chain. | 0:51:10 | 0:51:13 | |
This is the strange gait of the army | 0:51:13 | 0:51:15 | |
which returns each evening on parade. | 0:51:15 | 0:51:17 | |
If the sores get worse, you start arriving last everywhere | 0:51:17 | 0:51:23 | |
and everywhere, you'll get hit | 0:51:23 | 0:51:24 | |
and you can't run away when they chase you. | 0:51:24 | 0:51:27 | |
It's beyond ordinary emotions, isn't it, | 0:51:27 | 0:51:30 | |
because the experience is beyond ordinary experience. | 0:51:30 | 0:51:35 | |
And because Primo Levi the was a chemist by profession, | 0:51:35 | 0:51:41 | |
he had this scientific observation of these incredibly inhumane things | 0:51:41 | 0:51:49 | |
that were happening, even when they're happening to him. | 0:51:49 | 0:51:52 | |
Each of us, as he comes out naked, must run the few steps | 0:51:52 | 0:51:55 | |
between the two doorways, | 0:51:55 | 0:51:57 | |
hand his card to the SS man and return to the dormitory. | 0:51:57 | 0:52:00 | |
In a fraction of a second, with a glance at your front and your back, | 0:52:00 | 0:52:05 | |
the SS man will judge your fate | 0:52:05 | 0:52:07 | |
and pass your card to one side or the other | 0:52:07 | 0:52:10 | |
and this will mean life or death. | 0:52:10 | 0:52:13 | |
It was wonderful to watch when it started off at the National | 0:52:13 | 0:52:17 | |
and people came in. | 0:52:17 | 0:52:20 | |
It took about four or five minutes for them to realise | 0:52:20 | 0:52:26 | |
that Tony wasn't going to do anything other than this | 0:52:26 | 0:52:30 | |
and then he just managed to suck them in, and the stillness. | 0:52:30 | 0:52:36 | |
The stillness in New York, which has a very huge Jewish population | 0:52:36 | 0:52:41 | |
of course, the stillness in New York was extraordinary. Extraordinary. | 0:52:41 | 0:52:47 | |
The audience were absolutely with him. | 0:52:47 | 0:52:50 | |
Richard Wilson's ability to balance challenging theatre work | 0:52:55 | 0:52:58 | |
and popular mainstream television exhibits a versatility | 0:52:58 | 0:53:02 | |
that's a result of his continuing passion for the craft. | 0:53:02 | 0:53:05 | |
If you begin acting late | 0:53:06 | 0:53:08 | |
and if you train late and if you start late, | 0:53:08 | 0:53:10 | |
I think you always think to yourself, | 0:53:10 | 0:53:12 | |
"How wonderful, I'm doing this," | 0:53:12 | 0:53:14 | |
and I think he has a real sense of that, | 0:53:14 | 0:53:17 | |
that he's privileged to be able to do it. | 0:53:17 | 0:53:20 | |
He's probably the busiest person I know. He's extraordinary. | 0:53:22 | 0:53:25 | |
He literally goes from one project to the next, to the next, to the next. | 0:53:25 | 0:53:29 | |
It can be performing or producing or directing or writing or whatever. | 0:53:29 | 0:53:35 | |
He has many, many talents and he never seems to allow himself any break in between, | 0:53:35 | 0:53:42 | |
which is extraordinary, and all at the age of 145, I think he is now. | 0:53:42 | 0:53:48 | |
It's remarkable. | 0:53:48 | 0:53:50 | |
A lot of people say to me, "Why are you still acting?" | 0:53:51 | 0:53:54 | |
And I say, "Because I enjoy it, A, and B, I'm still learning." | 0:53:54 | 0:54:01 | |
And I think a lot of people think that's a sort of false humility. | 0:54:01 | 0:54:05 | |
"How can you still be learning?" | 0:54:05 | 0:54:07 | |
But acting is such a complex and complicated creature. | 0:54:07 | 0:54:12 | |
In 2007, at the tender age of 70, | 0:54:18 | 0:54:21 | |
Richard Wilson continued his education | 0:54:21 | 0:54:24 | |
when he accepted a part in a magical family drama, | 0:54:24 | 0:54:28 | |
a genre that forced him to work outside of his comfort zone. | 0:54:28 | 0:54:31 | |
Doing something like Merlin | 0:54:34 | 0:54:38 | |
was quite testing. | 0:54:38 | 0:54:40 | |
HE CLEARS HIS THROAT | 0:54:40 | 0:54:42 | |
It was a bit of a shock that I was being offered a part | 0:54:55 | 0:54:59 | |
in a long-running drama and the fact that it was science-fiction-based fantasy. | 0:54:59 | 0:55:06 | |
And it just seemed too good to turn down. | 0:55:06 | 0:55:08 | |
I got your water. You didn't wash last night. | 0:55:11 | 0:55:14 | |
-Sorry. -Help yourself to breakfast. | 0:55:14 | 0:55:17 | |
'Merlin is a young Merlin.' | 0:55:31 | 0:55:33 | |
I play his mentor and I was very fortunate in the actor they cast | 0:55:33 | 0:55:39 | |
as Merlin, Colin Morgan, was quite new to television, but just a brilliant actor. | 0:55:39 | 0:55:46 | |
-Are you using magic again? -No. | 0:55:51 | 0:55:55 | |
What's all this, then? | 0:55:55 | 0:55:58 | |
Richard is the one person I enjoy doing scenes with | 0:55:58 | 0:56:01 | |
the most in the show. | 0:56:01 | 0:56:02 | |
The whole cast, we get on so well together | 0:56:02 | 0:56:07 | |
but I always look forward to a day when I'm doing scenes with Richard. | 0:56:07 | 0:56:11 | |
What did your mother say to you about your gifts? | 0:56:11 | 0:56:15 | |
That I was special. | 0:56:16 | 0:56:18 | |
You are special, | 0:56:18 | 0:56:20 | |
the likes of which I've never seen before. | 0:56:20 | 0:56:23 | |
What do you mean? | 0:56:23 | 0:56:24 | |
Well, magic requires incantations, spells, it takes years to study. | 0:56:24 | 0:56:30 | |
What I saw you do was elemental, instinctive. | 0:56:30 | 0:56:35 | |
-What's the point if it can't be used? -That, I do not know. | 0:56:35 | 0:56:38 | |
'When you're working with him was an actor,' | 0:56:40 | 0:56:43 | |
he'll offer advice sometimes | 0:56:43 | 0:56:45 | |
but it's never what you'd feel a director doing it. | 0:56:45 | 0:56:50 | |
It's always in a way which inspires you and makes you go... | 0:56:50 | 0:56:54 | |
He'll say, "Try the line that way," or if you did it a certain way, | 0:56:54 | 0:56:58 | |
he'll go, "That was really good, the way you did that," | 0:56:58 | 0:57:02 | |
and as a young actor, | 0:57:02 | 0:57:03 | |
you'd be foolish to ignore advice from someone like Richard. | 0:57:03 | 0:57:07 | |
I always feel with younger actors, | 0:57:07 | 0:57:09 | |
they're much more open to listening to new ideas | 0:57:09 | 0:57:15 | |
and I think that we have several young actors in Merlin | 0:57:15 | 0:57:22 | |
and they are all, considering they've not done a series before, | 0:57:22 | 0:57:26 | |
they are all up there and ready for it and well-trained. | 0:57:26 | 0:57:30 | |
I thick the training of young actors, by and large, | 0:57:30 | 0:57:34 | |
is very healthy in this country. | 0:57:34 | 0:57:36 | |
After more than 40 years of uninterrupted work, | 0:57:42 | 0:57:45 | |
Richard Wilson has no plans to retire or fade away. | 0:57:45 | 0:57:47 | |
Perhaps, in recognition of the significant role | 0:57:52 | 0:57:55 | |
that a school play had | 0:57:55 | 0:57:56 | |
in introducing him to the wonders of a life on stage, | 0:57:56 | 0:57:59 | |
his workload may be about to increase. | 0:57:59 | 0:58:02 | |
I haven't done a lot of teaching, | 0:58:04 | 0:58:06 | |
but maybe the time has come that I should. | 0:58:06 | 0:58:10 | |
But I still think of myself as a working actor, | 0:58:14 | 0:58:17 | |
a director, actor/director. | 0:58:17 | 0:58:20 | |
I don't have any plans to retire. | 0:58:20 | 0:58:22 | |
I don't think I'd be any good at retiring as such, | 0:58:22 | 0:58:26 | |
as long as my health stands me in good stead. | 0:58:26 | 0:58:30 | |
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