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I'd like to ask for everybody's attention, please.

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Low budget airlines have revolutionised the way we fly.

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EasyJet now carries more passengers than British Airways.

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And the giant of the low cost carriers is Ryanair.

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HE SINGS: We're off to see the wizard, the wonderful wizard of Oz.

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Michael O'Leary is its boss.

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This way, is it?

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He may not look like a tycoon, but he's built a multi-billion pound business.

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Just another dull day in Katowice.

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-That's our time in Amsterdam this morning.

-No passport required.

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We've been here...

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ten minutes.

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-Good afternoon.

-Morning, sir.

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Budget airlines are thriving -

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by making their planes and their staff work harder.

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And for passengers, too, air travel sometimes feels like hard work.

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I think people don't like being treated like cattle.

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Even the cattle in their lorries get free water.

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And they don't have cope with these things.

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GRUNTING

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CORK POPS Whoo!

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Good evening, easyJet. This is Stelios speaking. How can I help you?

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The battle of the low cost airlines has been a clash of big personalities.

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This is the inside story of how a Greek and an Irishman

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fought to turn the airline industry on its head.

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Millions now have a chance to experience more of the world than they used to.

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But in the process, air travel has, well, lost a little of its glamour.

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We do thank you very much indeed for your attention, ladies and gentlemen,

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and we hope you have a pleasant flight this afternoon.

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EasyJet has 200 planes.

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Each makes up to four round trips every day.

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Their crews meet up around 6am.

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-Morning, how are we all? All right?

-Good, thank you.

-Super.

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-Fit to fly?

-Yes.

-Outstanding.

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Matt Illman, a cabin crew manager, meets his three colleagues

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for the day, and puts them through their daily test of safety.

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Kendel, you noticed a milky white build-up on the wing,

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what might we think this build-up is?

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-I would think that it was a rime ice.

-Absolutely, spot on.

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At the table next to them, their pilot and co-pilot check their flight plans and the weather.

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It's fine in Amsterdam, windy into Gatwick

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and windy into Edinburgh.

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Gatwick is just one of 22 airports where easyJet bases its planes.

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Right, so have I got Gatwick online yet?

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-'Yeah, I'm here, Will.'

-Morning.

-So the issues this morning...

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While the first flights get underway, at company headquarters at Luton airport,

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the senior management meet to review yesterday's operations.

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OK, so we had a bit of a challenging weekend.

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So, on Saturday we had 1,120 sectors flown,

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we also had some snow closures in the evening.

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So the daily ops meeting is the one place where the right people

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get together who can take decisions

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about the day-to-day operation of the airline.

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We've got about five or six engineering issues during the course of the day.

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Everyone knows what they are doing, why they are doing it and how they're doing it.

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So it is an operation, I think, that is run in a militaristic fashion.

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CORK POPS

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Stelios Haji-Ioannou started easyJet with £5 million from his dad,

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a shipping tycoon.

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Stelios no longer runs easyJet, but he's still its biggest shareholder.

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Now, all told, it's been a great investment for me.

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I've made about a billion pounds in the process.

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So it's a significant investment I keep an eye on.

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Today Stelios also keeps an eye on other businesses he owns,

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and charities he funds.

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One, two, three, testing. Can you hear me? Testing, testing.

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Between them, Stelios, a Greek Cypriot,

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and Michael O'Leary, from rural Ireland,

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have transformed the way the British fly.

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It probably does take maybe a Greek mentality

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and an Irish mentality to come at it from a slightly different angle.

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I think it was logical that somebody growing a low-fare airline business

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would emerge out of Ireland. To be fair to Stelios it is much more impressive that

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the son of a Greek shipping billionaire -

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who could, if he wanted to, be swanning around the world in executive jets -

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has made another fortune by offering reasonably-priced air travel.

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It's just not as reasonably priced as Ryanair.

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The low cost rivals are fighting for traffic all over Europe.

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Katowice in Poland is getting a lightning visit from O'Leary.

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He's taking in three Polish airports today,

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getting Ryanair's name in the media.

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What do you like most about Poland?

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I think what I like most today about Poland

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is your rubbish football team, that are even more rubbish than the Irish football team,

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and that's setting the bar pretty low in terms of rubbish.

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O'Leary has business in his blood - he's the son of an Irish entrepreneur

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who'd had both successes and failures.

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Thank you very much. Dziekuje.

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-Were you ambitious to make money?

-Yes.

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I think one of the great things you learn

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if your father has made money and lost money a couple of times,

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the great lesson you learn is the NOT having money.

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You don't remember the good times. You only remember the times when there wasn't money there.

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And generally it breeds determination not to repeat that in your own life.

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O'Leary learnt business less from his father

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than from a father-figure - a world-class Irish entrepreneur,

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Tony Ryan, who hired O'Leary as his personal assistant.

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This was an opportunity for him to learn at the feet of the master, if you like.

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Tony Ryan was a really tough task-master,

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somebody who was very, very successful in business,

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very driven and really drove people very hard himself.

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Ryan had established a huge and profitable aircraft-leasing business, GPA,

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and, in 1985, a small, loss-making airline which he called Ryanair.

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The problem was he had all of this income coming in from GPA

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and going straight out the door into Ryanair, which was a bottomless pit.

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O'Leary had studied accountancy, so Ryan sent him

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to his airline to see what could be done to stem its losses.

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I urged, repeatedly, shut this thing down, it can never make any money.

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It had lots of passengers but it could make no money,

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because the costs were too high.

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The early Ryanair had business class,

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a smart ticket office in Dublin,

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and a habit of dishing out free food and drink at every opportunity.

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Charlie Clifton was among its first staff.

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It was good, old-fashioned customer service.

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If there were flight delays, we'd give them food and drink and all the rest of it.

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And you would get passengers coming up to you who were not delayed,

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had no delay at all, queuing up for their food

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and everything like that,

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thinking, "It's Ryanair, it's feeding time at the zoo".

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O'Leary believed Ryanair would always lose money.

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31 through 60.

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But his boss, Tony Ryan, still had hope.

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He knew how deregulation had been shaking up American aviation since the late 1970s.

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We are looking at an evolution where an industry that was inefficient

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is required to become efficient in the marketplace.

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And those airlines that don't get their costs in line

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are not going to survive.

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Ryan had heard about an entrepreneur called Herb Kelleher.

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MUSIC: "Eye Of The Tiger" by Survivor

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Kelleher ran an airline called SouthWest.

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He was the kind of guy who'd settle a legal dispute

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with an arm-wrestling match.

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CHEERING

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Ryan sent O'Leary to find out more.

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He said, we're going to have one last go, would I go to the States, meet SouthWest Airlines.

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He arranged a meeting with Herb Kelleher

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and it was the kind of road to Damascus moment.

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Remember who brought those low fares and how you keep them.

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Because they go away unless you fly SouthWest Airlines

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again and again and again.

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SouthWest did everything airlines thought they shouldn't do

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if they wanted to make money.

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It let its passengers take any seat on the plane,

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just like on a bus or train.

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It didn't serve full meals, just drinks and snacks.

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It made its planes and its crews work more flights per day.

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And it offered dramatically cheaper tickets.

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It just seemed to be blatantly obvious that this was the way forward.

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That's what started the revolution in low fare air travel in Europe.

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ANNOUNCER: Could the last remaining passengers travelling to

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Amsterdam with easyJet flight EZY8873

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please go immediately to gate 112.

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Gate 112.

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Back at Gatwick, at 7am, easyJet's first wave of flights is boarding.

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Morning, sir.

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Once again ladies and gentlemen, a very good morning to you all

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and a warm welcome on board this easyJet flight to Amsterdam.

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Do you have a special voice?

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-SHE LAUGHS

-Yes. Yes I do!

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My friends and family always ask me to do my work voice

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and show them what I say on board, and they all find it highly amusing.

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Are you ready for Freddie?

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It was back in the '70s when Freddie Laker tried to undercut

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the traditional airlines by offering cheap fares across the Atlantic.

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Which seat do you want, darling? Which seat?

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-Laker was knighted for his efforts...

-Cheers!

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..but four years later his business went bust.

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National airlines were still owned by governments

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and governments didn't want too much competition.

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Travellers between Scotland and London

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will now be able to make the trip for as little as £29

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on a new airline called, appropriately enough, easyJet.

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More than 10 years later, deregulation finally came to Europe.

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Welcome on our first flight.

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For easyJet's young founder, business wasn't as much about

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the need to make money as the desire

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to escape from a privileged upbringing.

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I was suffering from the rich son syndrome,

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so whatever I was doing,

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people said, "It's really your father's doing."

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I'm eternally grateful that at the age of 28,

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he actually gave me the opportunity to do this amazing thing.

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"Here, son, go and prove yourself." And, of course, it wasn't a guaranteed success.

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Maybe it wouldn't have worked. It would have been very embarrassing to go back and say,

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"Dad, I've lost it all."

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Like O'Leary, Stelios made the pilgrimage to Texas to find out how to run a low cost airline.

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I had a big advantage because I've never worked in an airline before,

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so I literally travelled a bit on SouthWest,

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read a couple of books and a Harvard Business School case study on it.

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And then said, "OK, let's see how we're going to make this work."

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Richard Gooding was the manager of a small, unprofitable airport north of London at Luton

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when he got a visit from a keen young man who said he wanted to start an airline.

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We had seen many people who had wanted to start airlines.

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They had a common ingredient.

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They had been to the bank, who had laughed a lot, and had then

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come to us to say, would we lend them the money to get started.

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Stelios was different. He already had money.

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And he was less interested in planes than in selling tickets.

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He had a theory of something called the ignition price.

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His view of the ignition price was if you could

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get your price down to what that is, the market will explode.

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This was very interesting, innovative thinking for us in aviation.

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I know that it had happened in other retail industries,

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but in aviation we hadn't thought like that.

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Stelios hired a couple of planes at Luton.

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What would make easyJet different was its branding.

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Stelios felt that he wanted to own a colour,

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he wanted a colour that nobody else was using, and orange was his idea.

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And we sat behind a computer screen

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until we arrived at the most shocking, vivid shade of orange

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we could find, which was pantone 021C, I think,

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which is easyJet orange.

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EasyJet reservations, Vicky speaking. How may I help you?

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If you want to speak to her first...

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Even more original than the Pantone orange was Stelios's idea for selling tickets.

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EasyJet's call centre would take bookings direct from its customers.

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No longer would travel agents get a hefty slice of every air fare.

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It was suddenly possible to cut out the commission of the travel agent,

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cut out all the accounting of tickets,

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and save the best part of 20%.

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I've got two flights available there as well.

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I didn't know what I was doing.

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Remember, it could have been possible that

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I could have opened the airline, say, "We only take bookings over the telephone,"

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and the planes could have been empty. But I was the right place at the right time.

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Good evening, easyJet, this is Stelios speaking, how can I help you?

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The low fares revolution had begun.

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20 years ago, it would be unheard of for a group of lads to pop off to Eastern Europe for a stag party.

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Today, it's nothing special.

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We're going to Riga in Latvia. It's a mate's stag do,

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cheaper than Prague, etc, Amsterdam,

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so, yeah, should be a good craic. Off we go.

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Lower fares have changed attitudes to travel.

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Passengers are in many cases indifferent to where they go.

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So long as it's a sunshine destination

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or a historic destination,

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depending on what their personal preference is.

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If it's Krakow or Prague, it really doesn't matter.

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Or if it's Alicante or Malaga, it doesn't matter.

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It's the price that determines that demand.

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When you can travel to somewhere like, you know,

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a couple of hours away on a plane, different country,

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different culture for the same price it would take you to get up to somewhere

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like Manchester or Liverpool, then it's a bit of a no-brainer really.

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The arrival of low cost airlines has created work in Riga...

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..not least for the local police.

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Soon as we had Ryanair, for example,

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we had more and more Brits coming here.

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It's very easy to find here some cheap entertainment

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that concerns girls, some striptease,

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maybe even prostitution, and that it was easily available.

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That brought here a lot of youngsters.

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Riga responded to the influx by setting up a special

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police department just to deal with the new tourists.

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They were all taught English, which they would need

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on their nightly patrols.

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-Are you keeping us safe?

-Is that a cameraman? Hello!

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The tourist police have learnt how Brits like to enjoy themselves.

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In the night there are many Brits having stag parties.

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There was one British guy dressed as Spider-Man,

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he was, like, fat Spider-Man.

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That's how they enjoy their time here.

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Richard and his friends are already impressed with Riga's nightlife.

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A lot going on. Lots of different places to go and see.

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It's what we expected when we came here,

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so it's been really good so far.

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Many locals see the new tourists as a gift from low cost airlines.

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Low cost airlines are doing a really good thing

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because they are bringing money here.

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Tourists come just for the weekend here

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and they are spending enormous money.

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Only when dawn breaks will the casualties be revealed.

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Yes, it usually happens.

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Some British guys wake up somewhere,

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they don't remember where they have been, where are their friends,

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where are they staying.

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So it takes hours to find the place where he is staying.

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BELL CHIMES

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Low cost airlines are certainly a boost to Riga's economy,

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but perhaps not the kind that locals would have chosen.

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All these stag parties going to Eastern European cities -

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do you feel you owe any apologies there?

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I think you're... Look, we're a low fares airline.

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We carry 80 million passengers a year.

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The overwhelming majority of the passengers

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we carry each year are families going on holidays, business people...

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I think the apocryphal stag or hen party is a tiny proportion

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of the business, and I think you'll find that in most Eastern European

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cities or in Dublin or in the cities where we bring that stag party

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or hen party business, they are very grateful for the business.

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The stag parties have to go somewhere.

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Back in the early '90s, when the young Michael O'Leary

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returned from the States inspired by SouthWest,

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he wasn't sure he'd be able to transform the ailing Ryanair.

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Perhaps he just didn't have the personality for it.

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All of our flights on time.

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Michael O'Leary was a sober-suited accountant

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who really sat at the side of the room, was very quiet.

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People really didn't know what to make of him.

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He turned up to work with blazers, he was very, very conservative.

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In 1994, the airline's founder, Tony Ryan, asked his protege

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to step up to the top job, as Chief Executive of Ryanair.

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I really didn't want to do it. I didn't want the profile of it.

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And eventually I was persuaded to do it.

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O'Leary threw out the smart suits, unbuttoned his collar

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and got to work.

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It was a very simple choice. Close the airline or cut the costs.

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It was brutal in terms of changing the model, but it changed

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dramatically and quickly, and Michael was the driver behind that.

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To be low cost, you really have to eat, sleep, drink and believe in low cost.

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No more stuff for free.

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When you took away the free stuff, guess what?

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Lots of people started buying a couple of litres and 200 fags.

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Even better than cutting costs was to turn a cost into a profit.

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It worked beautifully with the orange juice.

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Finches Orange Juice were trying to break into the UK market.

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So it was very valuable for them, even as a marketing tool,

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for people going from Ireland to the UK, to be drinking Finches Orange Juice.

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So, at the start, we were buying that product from them

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but we had to have a conversation with them then to say, "We can't afford to do this."

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They said, "OK, well, we still want to be on board,

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"so we'll give it to you for free."

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And then we discovered that this probably was a marketing

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opportunity for them, so they should pay for the privilege.

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And if they didn't want to do it, we'd get somebody else.

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So they said, "OK, we'll pay for it."

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Then we said, "Why don't you give us the glasses as well?"

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Ryanair was soon offering more flights

0:22:510:22:54

and lower prices from Ireland than Aer Lingus and British Airways.

0:22:540:22:58

High prices had kept families apart, so now even God was backing Ryanair.

0:23:000:23:05

Ryanair was really surprised that they found a powerful marketing agent

0:23:070:23:10

in the Catholic Church because the priests started preaching

0:23:100:23:13

from the pulpits, reminding their congregations that now there were cheap flights to Ireland,

0:23:130:23:17

so if they did want to go home and visit their families,

0:23:170:23:20

they could afford to do it, and that they should check out Ryanair.

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Today, easyJet and Ryanair still follow most of the original

0:23:340:23:37

SouthWest formula for how to run a low cost airline.

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Thanks very much, sir. Thank you, madam. Bye, now. Thank you. Goodbye.

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Thank you very much. You're very welcome. Thank you. Bye-bye.

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They both rely on quick turnarounds.

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-Right, have we got any gloves?

-Yes, plenty.

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-Would you like one?

-Yes, please, that'd be grand.

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In a 25-minute stop, there's no time for cleaning staff

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to come on board, so that's up to the crew.

0:24:020:24:05

It's amazing what gets left behind.

0:24:060:24:09

Laptops, iPads, passports... You name it.

0:24:090:24:14

Even easyJet's co-pilot helps out.

0:24:160:24:18

-Oh, thank you, darling.

-That's all right.

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As you can see, the rubbish is now out and we are ready to go.

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Morning, sir.

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This team has landed in Amsterdam,

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but it doesn't make much difference to them.

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That's our time in Amsterdam for this morning.

0:24:320:24:35

That was our trip to Amsterdam.

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How long have we been here?

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-No passport required.

-We've been here...

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ten minutes.

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And the passengers, if you turn around, are already boarding,

0:24:440:24:47

so it's my time to go, I'm afraid.

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Whatever passengers might assume, low cost airlines mostly fly

0:24:550:24:59

younger planes than the rest of the industry.

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Each airline flies only one kind - easyJet only flies Airbus planes.

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And Ryanair only flies Boeings.

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It's another part of the original low cost model.

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All our pilots can fly all the planes.

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We only need one bank of spares for all those planes.

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The cabin crew, when they get on board, know all the galleys

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and everything will be in exactly the same spot.

0:25:230:25:26

So it's simply replicating a simple formula

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and making it simpler and simpler.

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The more simple we can make it, the more lower cost

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and efficient it will be.

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There's a final, key part of the SouthWest formula

0:25:400:25:43

that easyJet never adopted, but Ryanair has embraced.

0:25:430:25:47

It's the use of smaller, out-of-the-way airports.

0:25:480:25:52

If you are going to Frankfurt, they'll bring you to

0:25:530:25:55

Frankfurt-Hahn, which is about an hour and 20 minutes away.

0:25:550:25:59

You can go to Paris, but you go to Beauvais with Ryanair,

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which is a good hour from Paris.

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So their model has been to develop secondary airports.

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They're mainly disused, old airbases that they have got

0:26:100:26:13

scattered around Europe.

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So this is what your cheap flight with Ryanair will get you.

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Conor McCarthy helped set up Ryanair's European network.

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We just lined up these small airports, maybe ten at a time

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and did a bake-off, tried to pick the top three and, basically,

0:26:330:26:39

competitive tension did the rest for us.

0:26:390:26:41

Most of those airports had never seen anything like it in the past,

0:26:420:26:46

but the prospects of them getting a daily flight to London

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was just far too mouth-watering for them to ignore it.

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Next, Ryanair developed a cunning scheme to make its network

0:27:000:27:03

of obscure airports sound more important - by renaming them.

0:27:030:27:07

If you wanted

0:27:070:27:09

Beauvais, for example, which is outside Paris,

0:27:090:27:12

to be designated as a Paris airport,

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then the airlines that flew there had to vote for it to be such.

0:27:150:27:20

Since Ryanair was often the only airline at many of these airports,

0:27:230:27:26

the votes went Ryanair's way.

0:27:260:27:29

Small airports suddenly got grander.

0:27:310:27:34

And so Beauvais became Paris, Charleroi became Brussels,

0:27:340:27:39

Prestwick became Glasgow and we developed

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a pretty unique way of, again, circumventing the status quo

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while the other airlines were fast asleep.

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So, how do airlines make money from low fares?

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At Ryanair, it's a strategy of pile it high and sell it cheap.

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Howard Millar is one of the company's

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deputy chief executives, and its chief accountant.

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-How are you? Good to see you.

-Good to see you as well.

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Our objective is to keep our planes full as much of the time as we possibly can.

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So to that end we are always aggressively targeting

0:28:200:28:23

the maximum number of bums on seats on every flight.

0:28:230:28:27

We're less worried about what the average passenger pays

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on the basis that we've a very low break-even load factor.

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And the fact that every passenger spends about 13 euros on

0:28:330:28:38

other things such as hotels, car hires, etc.

0:28:380:28:40

Ryanair's average fare is £40, but that additional revenue,

0:28:420:28:47

including in-flight sales, brings the total per passenger up to £52,

0:28:470:28:53

excluding air passenger taxes.

0:28:530:28:55

On the cost side, fuel comes to £20.

0:28:560:28:59

And, here's where being a low cost airline really counts.

0:28:590:29:02

Everything else, including the staff, the planes,

0:29:020:29:05

airport charges and financing,

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comes to £26.

0:29:070:29:09

Which means there's a profit per passenger of £6.

0:29:110:29:14

Keeping costs low enough to make a profit on low fares is hard work.

0:29:220:29:27

For staff in Ryanair's old, cramped offices,

0:29:290:29:32

it means a battle for everything that costs money.

0:29:320:29:36

There is a head of stationery, and you go upstairs

0:29:370:29:40

and you request whatever item you want

0:29:400:29:42

and you are usually cross-examined as to whether you actually need them

0:29:420:29:46

and if it's a pen, you're encouraged to go to the local hotel and get them.

0:29:460:29:51

And if it's staples, they are given out by line rather than box. So...

0:29:510:29:56

I do ban us buying biros for the staff in Ryanair,

0:29:560:30:00

and I'm happy to supply hotel pens whenever I can.

0:30:000:30:04

I can give you the pen from the DeSilva hotel in Katowice.

0:30:040:30:08

O'Leary keeps tabs on the bigger items from his desk

0:30:120:30:15

at the end of the office.

0:30:150:30:17

Every Monday at 8.30, senior management is summoned.

0:30:190:30:23

You had a list of items to complete.

0:30:250:30:29

You had a date beside them when the items were given to you.

0:30:290:30:32

If you haven't achieved what's on the list,

0:30:320:30:34

then you're in big trouble.

0:30:340:30:36

And people had their shit together on Monday morning, that's for sure.

0:30:360:30:41

O'Leary adopted the practice from his mentor, Tony Ryan,

0:30:440:30:47

along with some of Ryan's personal style.

0:30:470:30:50

Razor-sharp mind, he's a razor-sharp mouth

0:30:510:30:53

and he had the ability to decimate somebody fairly quickly

0:30:530:30:58

if they weren't thinking in the right direction.

0:30:580:31:02

It was always going to be somebody's turn,

0:31:020:31:05

and if the hate beam came in your direction,

0:31:050:31:08

it wasn't a very pleasant experience.

0:31:080:31:10

The word is that you're pretty aggressive at those meetings.

0:31:120:31:16

I think, you know, some of that is sort of,

0:31:160:31:19

what do you call it? Water-font talk.

0:31:190:31:21

I think we try to have a very open culture in Ryanair.

0:31:210:31:25

I will be critical of people who don't accomplish what they are supposed to accomplish.

0:31:250:31:28

But people are equally critical of me.

0:31:280:31:31

And we, I think, try to foster a culture in Ryanair where I think

0:31:310:31:34

the person that gets criticised most at the Monday morning meetings is me.

0:31:340:31:37

HE LAUGHS

0:31:370:31:40

I don't think so.

0:31:420:31:45

Maybe he saw it that way, but no, I think it was pretty one-way traffic.

0:31:450:31:50

Is it true that you have been reduced to tears in that meeting?

0:31:500:31:53

Yeah, initially.

0:31:530:31:55

I suppose I've been in that meeting for ten years now, so I didn't like

0:31:550:31:59

the kind of loudness of some elements of the meeting.

0:31:590:32:03

But yes, I've... I can't remember the last time I cried in a meeting.

0:32:030:32:07

We've had a few shouts and storming out, but they are very interesting.

0:32:070:32:12

I don't think she's unique.

0:32:120:32:14

I think there'd be quite a few people, grown men included.

0:32:140:32:17

I mean... Nobody, to my knowledge, has ever cried

0:32:180:32:22

at a Monday morning management meeting, including myself.

0:32:220:32:25

But, you know, we don't hang around, we don't have this...

0:32:250:32:29

We don't hold hands and sing the company song.

0:32:290:32:33

Despite being on the receiving end of O'Leary's anger,

0:32:340:32:38

many of his managers have continued working with him for years.

0:32:380:32:42

You could have had the worst gouging of your life

0:32:420:32:46

at 9.30 in the morning, and by 11.30 he'd be

0:32:460:32:49

sitting in your office having a cup of coffee.

0:32:490:32:52

He's not out there to upset people,

0:32:530:32:55

but it's certainly a life experience,

0:32:550:32:58

and I've developed hugely as a manager because of Michael.

0:32:580:33:01

By 1998, four years after O'Leary took over,

0:33:060:33:10

Ryanair was making solid profits.

0:33:100:33:13

Just wait for the rest.

0:33:130:33:15

O'Leary had done well personally, too, after negotiating with

0:33:150:33:18

Tony Ryan for almost a quarter of the company's shares.

0:33:180:33:22

Today he's thought to be worth more than £350 million.

0:33:250:33:29

Do you feel like you've made enough money now?

0:33:310:33:34

I made enough money a long time ago.

0:33:340:33:36

-Have you made enough money?

-I don't know. What is enough?

0:33:360:33:42

Which credit card are you using to pay with?

0:33:420:33:45

And the expiry date is?

0:33:450:33:46

After the elation of easyJet's inaugural flight, there was

0:33:480:33:51

a drastic fall in ticket sales.

0:33:510:33:53

Stelios started getting worried.

0:33:570:33:59

We were two months in, it wasn't looking good, and at that point

0:33:590:34:02

Stelios pulled out his chequebook and said, "Spend, spend, spend."

0:34:020:34:06

In fact, I think he said,

0:34:060:34:07

"Spend a million pounds this week or you're fired."

0:34:070:34:10

In one moment I'll give you a confirmation reference for this flight, OK?

0:34:100:34:14

Anderson splurged a couple of million in six weeks, producing

0:34:140:34:18

a blitz of orange advertising in the press and on television.

0:34:180:34:23

Well, I mean, is two million quid a lot of money or not? I don't know.

0:34:230:34:27

I'm afraid they have all been booked up on that date.

0:34:270:34:30

It was part of launching a company, you know, you had to do it.

0:34:300:34:33

Do you have another date in mind?

0:34:330:34:35

When you spend those sorts of sums of money,

0:34:350:34:37

you expect an effect and we got an effect.

0:34:370:34:39

The public responded, the public got the message,

0:34:390:34:41

people could see that we had substance.

0:34:410:34:44

With easyJet making a splash and Ryanair already established,

0:34:510:34:54

the big airlines started getting interested in these new rivals.

0:34:540:34:58

It was the first time

0:34:590:35:01

we got some acknowledgement of the business model.

0:35:010:35:05

Until that moment the discussion was,

0:35:050:35:08

"Well, these things don't really work, they're not really safe,

0:35:080:35:12

"how can they do it for such a low price? Are they maintaining the aircraft?"

0:35:120:35:16

So we went from rubbishing the concept basically,

0:35:160:35:20

to saying, "It is a valid business model, and we're going to copy it."

0:35:200:35:24

British Airways appointed one of its star executives,

0:35:240:35:27

Barbara Cassani, to create BA's own budget airline.

0:35:270:35:31

She began by studying the competition.

0:35:320:35:34

We felt that Ryanair was... I mean, I call it a flying pub.

0:35:360:35:41

It was just all, kind of,

0:35:420:35:44

chaotic and a little bit dehumanising to customers.

0:35:440:35:48

And easyJet was too orange to my taste.

0:35:480:35:50

I thought, "How much orange can one person take?"

0:35:500:35:54

British Airways' own budget airline, Go, was born.

0:35:570:36:00

Stelios took British Airways to court, claiming Go had copied easyJet,

0:36:020:36:06

and was trying to put his airline out of business.

0:36:060:36:10

Take nothing away from easyJet, but I didn't copy them.

0:36:130:36:16

And in fact, what we did was we looked at all of the low-cost airlines,

0:36:160:36:21

Southwest in the US, as well as Ryanair and easyJet, etc, and we created our own.

0:36:210:36:26

Gate number is number 14, boarding time for the flight is 8.30.

0:36:260:36:30

On Go's inaugural flight, it was Stelios who had the last laugh.

0:36:340:36:39

I was wandering around the call centre,

0:36:390:36:40

as the folks were taking bookings, and one of them came over to me

0:36:400:36:44

and said, "You won't believe who I've just taken a booking for."

0:36:440:36:47

Stelios had booked ten seats for himself and other easyJet staff.

0:36:530:36:57

Somebody called the police and the police just laughed.

0:37:020:37:05

We got on the flight and Stelios walked up and down the aisle

0:37:050:37:09

talking to the passengers.

0:37:090:37:11

We decided to give away free easyJet flights to the passengers of Go.

0:37:110:37:15

And I think that took the edge out of it

0:37:150:37:17

because you're giving people something for free, they take it. They enjoy it.

0:37:170:37:21

After a couple of years, Cassani's Go started making money,

0:37:270:37:31

but it never got a chance to prove itself.

0:37:310:37:34

BA sold it to venture capitalists, who, in turn,

0:37:340:37:38

couldn't resist the offer made to them by...

0:37:380:37:42

none other than Stelios.

0:37:420:37:44

All the stars aligned for easyJet

0:37:450:37:47

and they very shrewdly took out their most effective competitor.

0:37:470:37:52

By allowing Go and easyJet to be merged,

0:37:520:37:55

BA really created a huge competitor for itself,

0:37:550:37:59

which was most unfortunate,

0:37:590:38:02

and I think the British flying public lost a great product.

0:38:020:38:06

To Ryanair, with its separate network of smaller airports,

0:38:080:38:12

Go was less of a threat than an entertaining sideshow.

0:38:120:38:15

I never cease to be amazed at the spectacular capacity of, you know,

0:38:160:38:20

legacy flag carrier airlines to screw it up.

0:38:200:38:24

-You have no bags you are checking in, no?

-No.

0:38:260:38:28

That's fine, you can go directly to security.

0:38:280:38:30

Low cost airlines have reversed the traditional pricing of air tickets.

0:38:320:38:36

In the past, if you waited till the last minute you might get

0:38:370:38:41

a standby ticket at a bargain price.

0:38:410:38:43

Boarding will be at 1 o'clock

0:38:450:38:47

and security straight down the end of the hall.

0:38:470:38:49

Today, the longer you leave it, the higher the price.

0:38:490:38:52

Ryanair aims to sell at least 80% of its seats.

0:38:540:38:58

Say we launch a route in January and the first flights were in June,

0:39:000:39:04

we will monitor the bookings each month as we go along

0:39:040:39:07

and in order to have 80% of the seats sold

0:39:070:39:09

by the time the first flight is flown,

0:39:090:39:12

we will know four to five months out from the experience

0:39:120:39:16

of similar routes that we've had over a number of years

0:39:160:39:18

that we need to have 5% sold by the end of January,

0:39:180:39:21

15% by the end of February and so on.

0:39:210:39:23

We will know whether we are over or below that target,

0:39:260:39:30

and if we are above it, we can increase the fares,

0:39:300:39:33

because we need to slow down the rate of booking,

0:39:330:39:35

or if we are below it, we need to reduce the fares.

0:39:350:39:38

We tracked the prices of

0:39:430:39:44

three flights from London to Berlin.

0:39:440:39:47

As the flight date approaches,

0:39:470:39:48

fares rise.

0:39:480:39:50

But when a flight isn't

0:39:500:39:51

selling well enough,

0:39:510:39:53

prices are cut to increase sales.

0:39:530:39:55

In the last few days before the flights,

0:39:560:39:58

the British Airways fare rose dramatically,

0:39:580:40:01

leaving Ryanair the cheapest, with easyJet in the middle.

0:40:010:40:04

BELL CHIMES

0:40:060:40:08

C'est tous les bijoux que je fabrique moi-meme.

0:40:140:40:17

Brenda Henderson is from Surrey, but she's moved to Excideuil,

0:40:170:40:22

a small town in south-west France.

0:40:220:40:25

Lovely countryside, lovely people, lovely food.

0:40:260:40:29

Brenda is one of many British expats in the region.

0:40:320:40:35

There's areas that are almost like a little England,

0:40:350:40:38

with lots of activities, lots of enjoyable things,

0:40:380:40:41

and I'm sure that community wouldn't have been as large

0:40:410:40:44

if we weren't near an airport

0:40:440:40:46

and the low-cost airlines weren't available.

0:40:460:40:49

At nearby Limoges airport, 80% of the traffic is to and from the UK.

0:40:550:41:00

Passenger numbers have trebled in the past ten years,

0:41:020:41:05

and the French talk about a revitalisation of the area

0:41:050:41:07

thanks to the British.

0:41:070:41:10

Excideuil even boasts its own English cafe.

0:41:110:41:15

If the low-cost airlines weren't around,

0:41:150:41:17

my business would definitely suffer.

0:41:170:41:19

For example, there are lots of Brits who have second homes here,

0:41:190:41:22

so they will often pop out for the weekend.

0:41:220:41:24

We wouldn't see them, I don't think, if they had to drive each time just for a few days.

0:41:240:41:28

Sheila Pickering moved to France more than 20 years ago,

0:41:300:41:34

before you could fly cheaply between England and Limoges.

0:41:340:41:38

It's really changed family life because they can just pop over.

0:41:380:41:42

The family can pop over if we're having an anniversary.

0:41:420:41:46

They can pop over for the weekend. This would never have happened before.

0:41:460:41:50

Gone are the days when it cost you,

0:41:500:41:52

to go to the South of France, £500.

0:41:520:41:55

Those times have gone. We're moving on,

0:41:550:41:59

and we're moving on very, very fast.

0:41:590:42:01

I think the greatest contribution of the concept of the low-cost airline in Europe,

0:42:030:42:07

at its most idealistic, if you like, is that it creates

0:42:070:42:10

an environment where people can cross borders easily and frequently.

0:42:100:42:14

Tous les jeunes comme moi alors...

0:42:140:42:17

However bold it may sound, it promotes peace.

0:42:170:42:20

BELL CHIMES

0:42:200:42:22

If the low cost revolution has led to peace,

0:42:220:42:25

it's only been achieved through conflict.

0:42:250:42:27

-O'LEARY:

-I've been told and it's no lie.

0:42:280:42:30

ALL: I've been told and it's no lie.

0:42:300:42:32

-O'LEARY:

-EasyJet's fares are far too high.

0:42:320:42:35

ALL: EasyJet's fares are far too high.

0:42:350:42:37

Ryanair and easyJet have argued over which is the cheapest.

0:42:420:42:45

Ryanair has always admitted it chases controversy

0:42:450:42:48

as an alternative to paid publicity.

0:42:480:42:51

The core of our marketing strategy is always to spend

0:42:580:43:01

as little money as possible advertising.

0:43:010:43:03

We don't have an advertising agency,

0:43:030:43:05

we don't use any advertising agencies.

0:43:050:43:06

We design them all ourselves.

0:43:060:43:08

We have a group of young kids who get together once or twice a week

0:43:080:43:10

and come up with ideas for new ads.

0:43:100:43:12

And the more controversial, the funnier, the more humorous they are, the better.

0:43:120:43:17

A classic Ryanair ad featured the Pope whispering to a nun

0:43:200:43:24

the fourth secret of Fatima.

0:43:240:43:26

Ryanair paid for it to appear in just one newspaper.

0:43:260:43:30

That ad went all over the world, kind of annoyed a lot of people,

0:43:320:43:35

offended some Catholics, and it was seen as, you know,

0:43:350:43:38

a really cheeky, and pushing the boat out,

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but for the publicity it garnered

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it was probably the best ad Ryanair has ever placed in its history.

0:43:440:43:49

The idea that all publicity is good publicity was tested

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to destruction by Ryanair in a story that began happily enough.

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The winner is Miss J O'Keeffe.

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APPLAUSE

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In 1988, Ryanair gave a prize to its one millionth passenger.

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Jane O'Keeffe was a secretary from Dublin.

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I was sitting up in the bar with my sister and I said, "No way will I win this.

0:44:170:44:20

"I've never won a thing in my life, and I won't win this time."

0:44:200:44:23

-You're trembling. Is it the drink or the excitement?

-I think it's a bit of both.

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The generous prize was free flights for life on Ryanair.

0:44:300:44:34

For almost ten years, O'Keeffe made modest use of her free flights.

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Then one day, she found Ryanair wouldn't book another flight for her.

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O'Leary was now in charge.

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Michael said, "I'm not having any more of this.

0:44:500:44:53

"You're to stop her free flights."

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So yours truly was dispatched to take the free flights for life

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off the person who had won free flights for life.

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You can imagine what a thankless task that was.

0:45:030:45:06

O'Leary's objection was that there was no formal agreement between

0:45:100:45:13

Ryanair and O'Keeffe to support her claim to free flights for life.

0:45:130:45:17

Here's the free flights for life. Well, what does that actually mean?

0:45:200:45:24

Is it documented? No.

0:45:240:45:25

She had nothing in writing to evidence the prize

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other than some interview on an Irish TV station.

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O'Keeffe sued Ryanair.

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And in Dublin's High Court,

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she claimed O'Leary had shouted at her on the phone.

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Mr Justice Peter Kelly found Ryanair had

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breached its contract with her.

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Jane O'Keeffe, he said, was clear in her recollection

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and was a more persuasive witness

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than the airline chief executive Michael O'Leary.

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I can only reiterate what I said in court -

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I was shabbily treated by them, and the judgement has vindicated me.

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O'Keeffe won £43,000 in compensation.

0:46:000:46:03

The High Court row with the one millionth passenger was

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a disaster for Ryanair, and it kind of exposed for the first time, I suppose,

0:46:080:46:12

how rotten they could be to customers and how ruthless they were.

0:46:120:46:16

We looked bad, we were bad, we looked in the wrong, we were in the wrong,

0:46:160:46:20

but there were whole pages of publicity about Ryanair

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and so as far as we were concerned, it was another case of,

0:46:240:46:27

win, lose or draw, a court case is good news.

0:46:270:46:30

-Where are you going today?

-Oklahoma City.

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The next one is at 3.10. We can put you on that one.

0:46:330:46:36

Ryanair was inspired by SouthWest airlines...

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Check in at gate number four, to get your boarding card.

0:46:390:46:43

..after the visit to the States that had so influenced the young O'Leary.

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But there's one part of the SouthWest formula he didn't pick up on.

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I love customers.

0:46:520:46:54

We just enjoy each other. We really do, and love each other.

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We'd much rather have a company that was bound by love rather than

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one that was bound by hate.

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I think one of the greatest slogans we ever had was,

0:47:060:47:09

"We smile because we want to, not because we have to."

0:47:090:47:12

-HE LAUGHS

-Wham!

0:47:120:47:15

O'Leary believed he didn't need that kind of thing at Ryanair.

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I think that a lot of the peace and love at SouthWest

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is very much a cultural phenomenon, particularly in the Southern states,

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in the US, where you go to MacDonald's and you go to restaurants and it's,

0:47:310:47:35

"Have a nice day, y'all, missin' you, come back and see us again sometime."

0:47:350:47:38

That kind of schlock doesn't work here in Europe.

0:47:380:47:42

Tonight on Watchdog, the boss of Ryanair who says he wishes

0:47:420:47:45

he could charge extra for fat people and to use the loo.

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Budget airlines, like the schlock-free Ryanair,

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are a gift to consumer journalism.

0:47:540:47:56

The BBC's Watchdog gets more than one complaint a day about easyJet

0:47:570:48:01

and the same for Ryanair...

0:48:010:48:04

..usually about unexpected charges.

0:48:050:48:07

Hello and good evening and welcome to Watchdog...

0:48:090:48:12

So many people get caught out and it's very common

0:48:120:48:14

for the complaints to end with "I will never fly with them again

0:48:140:48:19

"and I want to warn anybody else not to make the same mistake we did."

0:48:190:48:23

Michael O'Leary, the Ryanair boss, has been listening to all that.

0:48:230:48:26

As long as you're talking about us, Anne, I know we're doing a good job.

0:48:260:48:31

OK, you've done away with check-in desks, what's next?

0:48:310:48:34

In many ways, Michael O'Leary is a journalist's and a broadcaster's dream

0:48:340:48:38

because he just comes out with fantastic quotes.

0:48:380:48:40

But I think all of us have to be aware that he's very media savvy

0:48:400:48:43

and he will use us for his own ends.

0:48:430:48:45

If you like high fares, don't book Ryanair.

0:48:450:48:48

If you want the guaranteed lowest fares in Europe, fly Ryanair.

0:48:480:48:52

It's a very good commercial.

0:48:520:48:54

Now, welcome to our very special Ryanair flight.

0:48:540:48:57

I'm sorry it's a bit cramped.

0:48:570:48:58

O'Leary makes journalists' jobs easy by coming up with stories

0:48:580:49:02

that write themselves, whether or not they're true.

0:49:020:49:06

We are, as you know, working hard on a plan to charge for the toilets.

0:49:060:49:10

Myself and Mike were in London and we arrived into Gatwick

0:49:100:49:13

and Michael needed to use the bathroom.

0:49:130:49:16

Of course we had no money, no change so we had to go

0:49:160:49:18

and buy a can of Coke in order to get the money

0:49:180:49:21

and of course somebody asked him about hidden charges.

0:49:210:49:24

And he said, "Well, actually, I'll tell you about hidden charges,

0:49:240:49:27

"I'm going to charge to go to the bathroom."

0:49:270:49:29

And of course, if Michael says something like that, the media coverage is absolutely enormous.

0:49:290:49:34

So it's not what actually the message is, it's the fact that

0:49:340:49:37

you are in the media generating lots of free publicity

0:49:370:49:40

that we're using ultimately to convert into substantial profits.

0:49:400:49:44

Caroline Green has to deal with the fallout from O'Leary's remarks.

0:49:460:49:50

He might make a comment in the press,

0:49:500:49:52

whether it's putting porn on the aircraft

0:49:520:49:55

or paying for the toilets, or some other... Standing up on aircraft.

0:49:550:50:00

People think they're ridiculous, but they do believe it, to a certain extent.

0:50:000:50:03

But we all know that's what Michael is, and, you know, I would

0:50:030:50:06

prefer if some of the comments weren't made, but that's publicity.

0:50:060:50:11

We asked O'Leary to clear up, once and for all, some of the myths.

0:50:140:50:18

-You want to charge people to use the toilet?

-False.

0:50:190:50:22

You want to have people standing up at the back of the plane?

0:50:220:50:25

No, it's never been a plan.

0:50:250:50:26

-Would you like to charge fat people more?

-No.

0:50:260:50:29

Is there a rule against Ryanair staff charging their personal mobiles in the office?

0:50:290:50:34

Yes, it's one of the great PR initiatives.

0:50:340:50:36

Does anybody obey the ban?

0:50:360:50:38

No, they all charge up their mobile phones.

0:50:380:50:40

But it makes for great PR - we're so focussed on not wasting money

0:50:400:50:43

that we don't even allow people to charge up their mobile phones.

0:50:430:50:46

Today, easyJet is launching a new route to Moscow.

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While they've always been seen as rivals,

0:51:030:51:06

easyJet and Ryanair mostly fly to different airports

0:51:060:51:09

and only compete directly on a small proportion of routes.

0:51:090:51:13

Now they're diverging even more.

0:51:150:51:17

EasyJet wants to appeal to business travellers.

0:51:170:51:20

Russia's outside the deregulated EU,

0:51:220:51:25

so this route needed government approval.

0:51:250:51:27

What was really good was that we were awarded this

0:51:310:51:34

and I think it showed that we have the credibility to fly the route

0:51:340:51:38

and it is predominantly a business route.

0:51:380:51:41

So I thought it said quite a lot about easyJet today.

0:51:410:51:44

Carolyn MacCall is making the most of it with a press trip on the inaugural flight.

0:51:460:51:50

Last year, easyJet started offering assigned seats instead of

0:51:530:51:57

the usual low cost practice of finding a seat when you board.

0:51:570:52:01

MacCall denies she's making easyJet more like a traditional airline,

0:52:010:52:05

and moving away from the low cost model.

0:52:050:52:08

We are completely a low-cost airline in our operating model.

0:52:120:52:17

Completely. We are also a low fares airline to the passenger.

0:52:170:52:21

So, what I think a passenger doesn't say is

0:52:210:52:24

"I'm going to fly a low-cost airline today."

0:52:240:52:27

They just don't use that terminology.

0:52:270:52:29

They think, "Yeah, low fares, good value, great service. I'm off.

0:52:290:52:33

"I'll try easyJet."

0:52:330:52:34

Back in Moscow, easyJet's party of journalists

0:52:370:52:39

and businesspeople are entertained at a local restaurant.

0:52:390:52:43

The highlight is a performance by a couple of easyJet cabin crew.

0:52:440:52:48

# We flew here to Moscow Flight 8401

0:52:490:52:53

# We're known as Pearl and Dean

0:52:530:52:57

# Que sera, sera

0:52:570:53:00

# Whatever will be, will be

0:53:000:53:05

# The future's not ours to see

0:53:050:53:09

# Que sera, sera. #

0:53:090:53:14

APPLAUSE AND CHEERING

0:53:140:53:18

If things appear to be going well for easyJet,

0:53:180:53:21

it's despite a long-running battle over different visions of its future.

0:53:210:53:25

Surprisingly, it's easyJet's founder who's sceptical about how much more can be achieved.

0:53:270:53:32

He's worried that rising fares caused by rising fuel prices

0:53:340:53:39

and higher charges by airports are eroding the company's profitability.

0:53:390:53:43

The available opportunity to grow this business must have

0:53:440:53:47

gone down because the costs have gone up.

0:53:470:53:50

As easyJet's biggest shareholder,

0:53:500:53:52

he wants to stop the company buying new planes.

0:53:520:53:55

Every airline at the end of the day goes bust because it buys

0:53:570:54:00

one aircraft too many that flies on one unprofitable route.

0:54:000:54:02

And multiply that by 150, and you end up like Pan American, TWA

0:54:020:54:07

and other great names of the sky.

0:54:070:54:09

Stelios's fears are at odds with easyJet's management.

0:54:110:54:15

For the airline not to buy any more planes, we would be in decline

0:54:150:54:19

and we believe that we can continue to grow, as I said,

0:54:190:54:22

to grow profitably and to deliver returns to shareholders.

0:54:220:54:25

Welcome, easyJet, for their first flight and more opportunities

0:54:340:54:38

for more Russians to come and see more of Britain.

0:54:380:54:41

So how much more scope is there for low-cost airlines to grow?

0:54:460:54:50

That's great, hold that there, thank you.

0:54:500:54:52

Well, while the average Brit now makes more than three short haul flights a year,

0:54:520:54:58

in France, it's less than two,

0:54:580:55:00

and in Poland it's less than one flight every two years.

0:55:000:55:04

Carolyn, down here, please.

0:55:040:55:06

So, if the rest of Europe starts flying as much as the British,

0:55:060:55:10

low-cost airlines should continue to do well.

0:55:100:55:13

But Stelios has his doubts.

0:55:160:55:19

I mean, some of these countries that display a very low propensity

0:55:190:55:24

to travel is because they live in a very beautiful country in the first place.

0:55:240:55:28

Remember, you live in the UK,

0:55:280:55:29

and you're conditioned over the last three or four decades that

0:55:290:55:34

holiday means getting on an aeroplane and going to the sun, mostly,

0:55:340:55:37

away from your country, because your country doesn't have sun.

0:55:370:55:40

But this doesn't happen in the South of France and in Spain and Portugal.

0:55:400:55:43

They live in the sun already.

0:55:430:55:45

Despite Stelios's fears, easyJet's announced plans to order 135 new planes from Airbus.

0:55:450:55:51

But McCall says the battle of the low-cost airlines is about customers.

0:55:510:55:56

The difference between easyJet and Ryanair is that we have

0:55:560:55:59

really good service on board and on the ground

0:55:590:56:02

and we care about our passengers. There's a big difference there.

0:56:020:56:06

You don't think Ryanair cares about their passengers?

0:56:060:56:09

I'll leave you to judge that.

0:56:090:56:10

I think we're the airline that people love to hate.

0:56:110:56:14

You know, there's the sensationalism that comes out of Michael's interactions with the press,

0:56:140:56:19

but underneath the covers we're an incredibly efficient airline.

0:56:190:56:23

We're today announcing and celebrating four new routes here at Katowice...

0:56:230:56:29

As a business, Ryanair is now valued at £7 billion -

0:56:290:56:34

more than both easyJet and British Airways.

0:56:340:56:37

The strategy remains what it's been since O'Leary took over.

0:56:400:56:44

We cannot offer low fares without having a really low cost base.

0:56:460:56:50

So that means that if we have to get up in the morning

0:56:500:56:53

and have a fight with everybody, we will.

0:56:530:56:54

We are absolutely determined to do that.

0:56:540:56:57

Any of the carriers that we have seen that have failed

0:56:570:57:02

have all lost one thing - they lost control of their cost base.

0:57:020:57:05

And you do that in this industry at your peril.

0:57:050:57:07

This is a very, very competitive industry,

0:57:070:57:09

very, very capital intensive, and if you are not in control of your cost base,

0:57:090:57:14

you've got lots of problems coming your way.

0:57:140:57:16

In April, Ryanair demonstrated its confidence in the future with

0:57:200:57:24

an order for 175 new planes from Boeing.

0:57:240:57:28

I still have this vision that, in time, the flights will be free,

0:57:290:57:34

but we'll get paid for all the other optional services around.

0:57:340:57:37

Now, we're not quite at that level yet,

0:57:370:57:40

but you can really begin to say to people around the UK and Europe,

0:57:400:57:43

"Your flight will cost 20 quid.

0:57:430:57:44

"In five years' time, it will cost ten quid.

0:57:440:57:47

"And then in ten years' time it might cost 5 quid."

0:57:470:57:49

Then we'll be carrying 500 million passengers. And why not?

0:57:490:57:53

A realistic ambition from one of the most successful

0:57:550:57:58

executives in the business - or just another piece of O'Leary spin?

0:57:580:58:03

You decide.

0:58:030:58:04

-How many more cities today, then?

-Two more cities today.

0:58:070:58:10

We do... Next is Wroclaw, and then back home to Dublin.

0:58:100:58:13

Should be back in the office by about 4 o'clock.

0:58:130:58:16

And then the day's work has to start.

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All the best.

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